{ "hearing": { "date": "2025-10-07", "case": "27-CR-23-1886", "case_title": "State v. Matthew D. Guertin", "jurisdiction": "Minnesota Fourth Judicial District", "participants": [ { "name": "Matthew Guertin", "role": "defendant" }, { "name": "Raissa Carpenter", "role": "public defender" }, { "name": "Tom Arneson", "role": "prosecutor" }, { "name": "Court Referee Lori Skibbie", "role": "court referee" } ], "clip_count": 40, "description": "Competency review hearing for Matthew Guertin including attorney-client hallway conference with public defender Raissa Carpenter discussing competency evaluation procedures, right to remain silent during evaluation, and on-record proceedings before Court Referee Lori Skibbie regarding scheduling of psychological services appointment." }, "clips": { "000": { "file": "000__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 1310.422, "segment_count": 125, "full_text": "And court file number 27-CR-25-12538. Parties, please note your appearances for the record. Your Honor, I haven't been sworn yet. Thank you, Mr. Hedda. We will swear you in. Mr. Hedda, do you solemnly swear or affirm that you will accurately and impartially and to the best of your ability interpret this proceeding from Arabic to English and English to Arabic? Yes, I do. Thank you. And parties now, if you would note your appearances, please. Tom Arneson for the state. My name is Tom Arneson, and my name is Tom Arneson. Hey, Mr. Guertin, can you hear me? Yeah, why do you have a mask on? I've been sick for the last couple weeks. I've had a bad cold. Maybe there was a new pandemic I didn't know about. Not as far as I'm aware. They still have me here in the courtroom. So, I'm sorry that you've been waiting so long. I have to stay in the courtroom because I have someone who's in custody, so I'm waiting to do their case. But I can try to get your case called during one of these breaks if you're okay with me doing it from this building. They essentially want you to meet with an examiner from Psychological Services again for that person to do an updated report. You've been through this before. You know they do their updated report. Then we get to challenge the report if we want to challenge the report, or we can agree to the report. And then this is kind of how it goes. But they won't do anything until the report gets done. How long does this shit go on for? Like, how, when does this end? There is, for most cases, it's about a three-year timeline from when you're first found not competent unless they file a notice of intent to prosecute you. If they file a notice of intent to continue to prosecute you, then they can do it indefinitely until a judge agrees to dismiss it in the interests of justice. They are reviewing a bunch of these cases. I think it helps us that that Supreme Court decision in the Vagle case came out in your favor. I don't know if you saw my email about that. Yeah, it came out the day after I brought it up 22 hours later. So that's in our favor. But I don't know if they'll let us litigate it while you're still not competent to proceed. Litigate what? The charges aren't valid anymore. Yeah, I hear you. But we would have to move to dismiss. In some cases, they're fighting it. They're saying that there's an exception. And so we would have to argue about it in court. And I don't know if they'll let us do that before you're found competent. But I do think it's in our favor. You're right. You were. And then you were quickly found not competent again. Yeah, because I tried to dismiss the charges based on the fraudulent discovery that was admitted to in the record during the March 5th hearing. So then the question is, are you okay doing the meeting with the doctor next week so that we can get this moving again? What do I have to do? You have to literally appear for the meeting. You have a right to remain silent. So you do not have to answer questions if you do not want to answer questions, but you have to appear for the meeting. In person. I actually think that they do most of them over Zoom because most of the evaluators don't want to be in person. I can double check your notice to see. Let me double check your notice in your case. Hang on. Yeah, because no matter what I do, they're not accurate reports. Yeah, I feel. And then we can challenge it. But you've been through that before. Sometimes we have luck and then sometimes we don't have luck. Yeah, I want the... I have job offers. I have stuff going on. I'm trying to get this shit over with. It's my entire goal. And it's never ending. Fucking... It's going on 32 months of this shit. It's like... Yeah, it's been a very long time. Yeah, well, I just want... I want closure. Right? Because that doesn't seem unreasonable to want to put this behind me and move on with my life. They want to be here for an in-person appointment with Dr. Barbo. You're correct. Yeah, well, what happens if I can go? If you don't go, then they make us come up here for these appointments. And if you say that you're refusing to go, they can hold you in contempt. They can order you to go. And then they can find that you're in violation of the court's order. I can't recall the conditions of your release. Let me double check them to see if it's a condition of your release that you'd go. It is for some people, but I can't recall off the top of my head if it is for you. Okay. Thank you. Okay. What are you saying? Anything they can do indefinitely to just keep it going forever? If they file a notice of intent to prosecute you. So it looks like you posted bail just based on the complaint amount and then there was never a conditional release order that was issued. Does that sound right? Like a complaint warrant got issued. You paid the warrant amount right away. Yeah. You appeared out of custody and you've been out of custody the whole time. Yeah. So I'm just looking at the conditions on the warrant. Yeah. It's technically not a condition of your release that you attend the appointment. So if you say you don't want to attend, they could try to order you. I don't know what the basis would be to order you. We could try to litigate that if that's what you're interested in doing. Yeah, I just want to, I want to have a conclusion to this, this never ending loop of the same shit over and over. The fastest way to move it through is to do the eval and to get the report. That's the fastest way to move it through because we are paused until that stuff happens. Yeah, well, they're saying in the report that just like the Cranbrook report that I didn't participate in, there's an entire narrative that's going on that I have all this history of this and that and none of it's true. And I stated that in the March 5th hearing without any... I cannot, I cannot control what they write in the report. I cannot do that. I cannot control it. I'm just telling you, I'm just telling you what happened. I remember, I remember I was there. I've been helping litigate this, man. I remember this stuff. I remember that we argued against it. I remember that we had a hearing. I remember that we disagreed with what the doctor said on the basis for what the doctor said. Yeah, I called up the prosecution. Here we are. Yeah, it stayed in. And here we are. This is where we're at today. So I'm in the hallway outside of a courtroom. I've got to go back into the courtroom. I'm trying to help you out. Let me know what it is you want to do. Here's the options that we have. You can agree to do the eval next week or you can say I'm not doing it. And then we will see what they try to do from there and we will try to litigate it. I just want to have this be over. That's not an option today. I'm sorry. Well, that's my intention. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Do you want more time to think about it? I mean, there's lots of other cases to do. You can keep waiting until you know what you want me to tell the judge today. I was I just know you've been sitting here for like two hours. So I was trying to get your get your case called and get you out of here. But if you're not ready to go, I'll give you more time to sit and think. What do they so what do they say if I say I don't want to meet with them? I don't I don't know. We're going to find out together. I've never had this happen for somebody who paid bail. So it wasn't a condition of their release. I think they would likely order you to meet with them. I think we would object to that. And we would say that there's no basis to do that. And then what if this or that, what's the two? I think they could find I think they could find you in contempt for the court for not following through with a court order. But I can't say for sure what will happen. I think it will delay things a lot. I think we would fight about this back and forth. And I think eventually you will be required to do an eval or they will issue a report without your cooperation. And all this is doing is causing delay. And so if what you actually want is to move this forward and try to get this resolved, then I would suggest doing the appointment next week. And we can't control what they'll say. They might issue another report that you find highly offensive. And that's fine. And then you can decide you want to agree with it or do you want to fight it? What do they say when I go down there and I don't talk? Oh, I've had them do that before. I think you can tell them I talked to my lawyer and my lawyer said I don't have to answer questions and I have the right to remain silent. And then they can get mad at me about that. Yeah, well, then how do I know if it's behind closed doors meeting where nothing's documented? How do they know that I stayed silent? How do they know anything? You can say I'm not comfortable meeting with you guys one-on-one and I'd like to have my lawyer here. I have been present for people's evals before. I don't want to go meet with them, but I'm not saying anything to these people. You do not have to. I am telling you that you do not have to say anything. You have the right to remain silent and to not answer questions about this charge. They cannot force you to talk. Yeah, well, that doesn't mean that they're... If they can declare that I'm mentally ill for not participating, then they'll just say I'm mentally ill for not talking. I, you are in a hard situation and I cannot give you a winning option. None of the options involve normal process of like having a criminal charge and resolving it. It's a never ending, like infinite loop. Correct. Yeah, so how is that like, okay? Your case is on pause unless and until you were found competent or they agreed to dismiss the character. Yeah, it was found competent and then now I'm not competent because I tried to defend myself. So you were found competent and then they restored it and then we moved back. We had a normal appearance and then you filed a bunch of stuff. And then the judge said, I have concerns based on all your filings. And then this is where we're at. Mr. Guertin, I don't have a lot of time to argue with you about this. I am happy to meet with you. I'm happy to have a phone call with you. But I don't have a lot of time when we show up to court to talk right before court. I have other people that are also scheduled for court that I have to help. So I can give you more time to think about what it is you want to do today. The reason we have court is because they want to check in on your competency. The way the judge checks in on your competency is by asking a doctor to meet with you. You're scheduled for a meeting next week. You let me know if you're willing to do it or if you want me to say you're not going to do it. And then we will deal with the consequences. Why can't I do it over Zoom? I don't know. I don't know. I didn't schedule it for you. You can contact them and say, can I please appear via Zoom? I'm more comfortable that way. Yeah, I mean, I can meet with whoever, but I'm not saying anything. That's, again, that is fine. Okay, so I'm going to log off. I'm going to turn you on the courtroom. I'm going to try to get your case called, okay? I have one other person to talk to, and then I'm going to try to get your case addressed so that you can get out of here and you don't have to keep sitting here today, okay? Okay. All right, I will do what I can for you. Give me, like, 10 minutes. All right, I will do what I can for you. Give me, like, 10 minutes. Recording in progress. I will be there for Mr. Norris to know why he's here and why he's continued, and if anyone could give me a court file number, I'm happy to look it up so I can inform Mr. Norris what's going on. We'll go ahead and put the case on the record. Great. We are now going on the record in the matter of the state of Minnesota versus Moses Chris Patrick Norris, court file number 27CR231396, court file number 27CR243127, court file number 27CR257964, court file number 27CR2514316, court file number 27CR2417318, court file number 27CR2419696, court file number 27CR256842, court file number 27CR2510078, and court file number 27CR2513151. And Mr. Arneson, are you here on behalf of the state? I am, Your Honor. Thank you. So these were scheduled initially, Mr. Norris, for a six-month review hearing, and we have received a request from Mr. Lund. Is that right, Mr. Trapper? Okay, from your attorney, Mr. Lund, she can address that with the court at another time, okay? All right. Thank you. We are adjourned in the Norris matter. Mr. Norris, you're all good. You can log off. All right. Yeah. And the next matter will be the Guertin matter. We are now going on the record in the matter of the state of Minnesota versus Matthew David Guertin, court file number 27CR231886, parties, please note your appearances for the record. Tom Arneson for the state. Good afternoon, everyone. Raissa, RAISSA, Carpenter Assistant Public Defender, appearing on behalf of Mr. Guertin, who is present via Zoom. Good afternoon, Mr. Guertin. Thank you very much for your patience as we work through the calendar this afternoon. I know you've been here for the entirety since 1 .30, and I appreciate your patience. This is a first appearance for Mr. Guertin, and there has been no report as the information I have is that psychological services was not able to reach Mr. Guertin to schedule an appointment. There is an in-person appointment scheduled for October 15th with Dr. Barbo, so that would be in the Hennepin County Government Center on the fifth floor, and a return date of November 18th. Ms. Carpenter, will Mr. Guertin be able to make that? Yes, Your Honor. Mr. Guertin has been informed of the new appointment date and time. He's wondering if it's possible for him to do that via Zoom rather than in person. He would need to work that out with psychological services, so if he has the contact number for Dr. Barbo or for psychological services, he can call and ask if that could be done by Zoom. I know they do have done some by Zoom, so it may be an examiner-by-examiner option. But he definitely should ask. Mr. Guertin, any questions for the judge while we have them here? You're okay? You understand your appointment with psychological services is on October 15th, and then our next court date is on November 18th at 1.30. I don't have any questions. I would just like to put on the record that I was found competent previously, on trial, and that this current fourth, I don't know, what is it, fourth, third, I don't know, I lost count, of Rule 20 order, was ordered as a result of my motion to dismiss that I filed on April 16th, which dealt with fraudulent discovery that was acknowledged on the record on March 5th, which is, I have a transcript for doing the contested competency hearing. So, my motion to dismiss is the reason and the sole reason, which is stated on the record by Judge Huddleston as the reason for this Rule 20. So, I would like that to be on the record that my legal defense of trying to defend myself is the stated reason for why there is an issue of competency and why this is being ordered. That's what I would like to be clear. Thank you, Mr. Guertin. Ms. Carpenter, anything else? I don't have anything additional other than the record already made by Mr. Guertin, which I think is sufficient, Your Honor. Thank you, Mr. Arneson. Anything else? Nothing further, Your Honor. Thank you again, Mr. Guertin. I want to thank you very much for your patience. We are adjourned in your matter, and you are free to disconnect at this time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.", "transcript": [ { "start": 1.26, "end": 6.0, "text": "And court file number 27-CR-25-12538." }, { "start": 13.34, "end": 25.82, "text": "Parties, please note your appearances for the record. Your Honor, I haven't been sworn yet. Thank you, Mr. Hedda. We will swear you in. Mr. Hedda, do you" }, { "start": 25.82, "end": 33.36, "text": "solemnly swear or affirm that you will accurately and impartially and to the best of your ability interpret this proceeding from Arabic to English and" }, { "start": 33.36, "end": 36.46, "text": "English to Arabic? Yes, I do. Thank you." }, { "start": 42.28, "end": 61.46, "text": "And parties now, if you would note your appearances, please. Tom Arneson for the state. My name is Tom Arneson, and my name is Tom Arneson." }, { "start": 81.46, "end": 89.98, "text": "Hey, Mr. Guertin, can you hear me? Yeah, why do you have a mask on? I've been sick for the last couple weeks. I've had a bad cold. Maybe there was a new" }, { "start": 89.98, "end": 101.94, "text": "pandemic I didn't know about. Not as far as I'm aware. They still have me here in the courtroom. So, I'm sorry that you've been waiting so long. I have to stay" }, { "start": 101.94, "end": 109.86, "text": "in the courtroom because I have someone who's in custody, so I'm waiting to do their case. But I can try to get your case called during one of these breaks if" }, { "start": 109.86, "end": 119.82, "text": "you're okay with me doing it from this building. They essentially want you to meet with an examiner from Psychological Services again for that person to do an" }, { "start": 119.82, "end": 127.78, "text": "updated report. You've been through this before. You know they do their updated report. Then we get to challenge the report if we want to challenge the report," }, { "start": 127.78, "end": 136.54, "text": "or we can agree to the report. And then this is kind of how it goes. But they won't do anything until the report gets done. How long does this shit go on for?" }, { "start": 136.98, "end": 150.64, "text": "Like, how, when does this end? There is, for most cases, it's about a three-year timeline from when you're first found not competent unless they file a notice of" }, { "start": 150.64, "end": 160.34, "text": "intent to prosecute you. If they file a notice of intent to continue to prosecute you, then they can do it indefinitely until a judge agrees to dismiss" }, { "start": 160.34, "end": 169.52, "text": "it in the interests of justice. They are reviewing a bunch of these cases. I think it helps us that that Supreme Court decision in the Vagle case came out in" }, { "start": 169.52, "end": 181.4, "text": "your favor. I don't know if you saw my email about that. Yeah, it came out the day after I brought it up 22 hours later. So that's in our favor. But I don't" }, { "start": 181.4, "end": 190.04, "text": "know if they'll let us litigate it while you're still not competent to proceed. Litigate what? The charges aren't valid anymore. Yeah, I hear you. But we would" }, { "start": 190.04, "end": 197.62, "text": "have to move to dismiss. In some cases, they're fighting it. They're saying that there's an exception. And so we would have to argue about it in court. And I" }, { "start": 197.62, "end": 208.08, "text": "don't know if they'll let us do that before you're found competent. But I do think it's in our favor. You're right. You were. And then you were quickly found" }, { "start": 208.08, "end": 217.04, "text": "not competent again. Yeah, because I tried to dismiss the charges based on the fraudulent discovery that was admitted to in the record during the March 5th" }, { "start": 217.04, "end": 229.3, "text": "hearing. So then the question is, are you okay doing the meeting with the doctor next week so that we can get this moving again? What do I have to do? You have" }, { "start": 229.3, "end": 239.48, "text": "to literally appear for the meeting. You have a right to remain silent. So you do not have to answer questions if you do not want to answer questions, but you" }, { "start": 239.48, "end": 248.44, "text": "have to appear for the meeting. In person. I actually think that they do most of them over Zoom because most of the evaluators don't want to be in person. I can" }, { "start": 248.44, "end": 261.72, "text": "double check your notice to see. Let me double check your notice in your case. Hang on. Yeah, because no matter what I do, they're not accurate reports. Yeah," }, { "start": 261.88, "end": 269.64, "text": "I feel. And then we can challenge it. But you've been through that before. Sometimes we have luck and then sometimes we don't have luck. Yeah, I want" }, { "start": 269.64, "end": 280.96, "text": "the... I have job offers. I have stuff going on. I'm trying to get this shit over with. It's my entire goal. And it's never ending. Fucking... It's going on" }, { "start": 280.96, "end": 291.82, "text": "32 months of this shit. It's like... Yeah, it's been a very long time. Yeah, well, I just want... I want closure. Right? Because that doesn't seem" }, { "start": 291.82, "end": 296.28, "text": "unreasonable to want to put this behind me and move on with my life." }, { "start": 299.92, "end": 304.14, "text": "They want to be here for an in-person appointment with Dr. Barbo. You're correct." }, { "start": 308.7, "end": 318.22, "text": "Yeah, well, what happens if I can go? If you don't go, then they make us come up here for these appointments. And if you say that you're refusing to go, they can" }, { "start": 318.22, "end": 326.92, "text": "hold you in contempt. They can order you to go. And then they can find that you're in violation of the court's order. I can't recall the conditions of your" }, { "start": 326.92, "end": 333.74, "text": "release. Let me double check them to see if it's a condition of your release that you'd go. It is for some people, but I can't recall off the top of my head" }, { "start": 333.74, "end": 336.48, "text": "if it is for you. Okay." }, { "start": 357.24, "end": 360.04, "text": "Thank you." }, { "start": 363.28, "end": 363.98, "text": "Okay." }, { "start": 392.8, "end": 403.88, "text": "What are you saying? Anything they can do indefinitely to just keep it going forever? If they file a notice of intent to prosecute you. So it looks like you" }, { "start": 403.88, "end": 413.68, "text": "posted bail just based on the complaint amount and then there was never a conditional release order that was issued. Does that sound right? Like a" }, { "start": 413.68, "end": 423.8, "text": "complaint warrant got issued. You paid the warrant amount right away. Yeah. You appeared out of custody and you've been out of custody the whole time. Yeah. So" }, { "start": 423.8, "end": 427.88, "text": "I'm" }, { "start": 427.88, "end": 429.68, "text": "just looking at the conditions on the warrant." }, { "start": 432.38, "end": 438.88, "text": "Yeah. It's technically not a condition of your release that you attend the appointment. So if you say you don't want to attend, they could try to order" }, { "start": 438.88, "end": 453.76, "text": "you. I don't know what the basis would be to order you. We could try to litigate that if that's what you're interested in doing. Yeah, I just want to, I want to" }, { "start": 453.76, "end": 466.8, "text": "have a conclusion to this, this never ending loop of the same shit over and over. The fastest way to move it through is to do the eval and to get the" }, { "start": 466.8, "end": 478.46, "text": "report. That's the fastest way to move it through because we are paused until that stuff happens. Yeah, well, they're saying in the report that just like the" }, { "start": 478.46, "end": 488.86, "text": "Cranbrook report that I didn't participate in, there's an entire narrative that's going on that I have all this history of this and that and none of it's" }, { "start": 488.86, "end": 498.78, "text": "true. And I stated that in the March 5th hearing without any... I cannot, I cannot control what they write in the report. I cannot do that. I cannot control" }, { "start": 498.78, "end": 507.12, "text": "it. I'm just telling you, I'm just telling you what happened. I remember, I remember I was there. I've been helping litigate this, man. I remember this" }, { "start": 507.12, "end": 513.66, "text": "stuff. I remember that we argued against it. I remember that we had a hearing. I remember that we disagreed with what the doctor said on the basis for what the" }, { "start": 513.66, "end": 523.48, "text": "doctor said. Yeah, I called up the prosecution. Here we are. Yeah, it stayed in. And here we are. This is where we're at today. So I'm in the hallway outside of" }, { "start": 523.48, "end": 530.4, "text": "a courtroom. I've got to go back into the courtroom. I'm trying to help you out. Let me know what it is you want to do. Here's the options that we have." }, { "start": 534.28, "end": 541.44, "text": "You can agree to do the eval next week or you can say I'm not doing it. And then we will see what they try to do from there and we will try to litigate it." }, { "start": 544.36, "end": 553.02, "text": "I just want to have this be over. That's not an option today. I'm sorry. Well, that's my intention." }, { "start": 557.86, "end": 558.62, "text": "Yeah, I don't know." }, { "start": 563.1, "end": 570.02, "text": "I don't know. Okay. Do you want more time to think about it? I mean, there's lots of other cases to do. You can keep waiting until you know what you want me" }, { "start": 570.02, "end": 577.5, "text": "to tell the judge today. I was I just know you've been sitting here for like two hours. So I was trying to get your get your case called and get you out of here." }, { "start": 577.64, "end": 585.58, "text": "But if you're not ready to go, I'll give you more time to sit and think. What do they so what do they say if I say I don't want to meet with them? I don't I" }, { "start": 585.58, "end": 592.94, "text": "don't know. We're going to find out together. I've never had this happen for somebody who paid bail. So it wasn't a condition of their release. I think they" }, { "start": 592.94, "end": 598.06, "text": "would likely order you to meet with them. I think we would object to that. And we would say that there's no basis to do that." }, { "start": 600.96, "end": 608.94, "text": "And then what if this or that, what's the two? I think they could find I think they could find you in contempt for the court for not following through with a" }, { "start": 608.94, "end": 618.28, "text": "court order. But I can't say for sure what will happen. I think it will delay things a lot. I think we would fight about this back and forth. And I think" }, { "start": 618.28, "end": 626.42, "text": "eventually you will be required to do an eval or they will issue a report without your cooperation. And all this is doing is causing delay. And so if what" }, { "start": 626.42, "end": 636.5, "text": "you actually want is to move this forward and try to get this resolved, then I would suggest doing the appointment next week. And we can't control what they'll" }, { "start": 636.5, "end": 643.22, "text": "say. They might issue another report that you find highly offensive. And that's fine. And then you can decide you want to agree with it or do you want to fight" }, { "start": 643.22, "end": 652.74, "text": "it? What do they say when I go down there and I don't talk? Oh, I've had them do that before. I think you can tell them I talked to my lawyer and my lawyer said" }, { "start": 652.74, "end": 657.8, "text": "I don't have to answer questions and I have the right to remain silent. And then they can get mad at me about that." }, { "start": 660.64, "end": 671.32, "text": "Yeah, well, then how do I know if it's behind closed doors meeting where nothing's documented? How do they know that I stayed silent? How do they know" }, { "start": 671.32, "end": 683.64, "text": "anything? You can say I'm not comfortable meeting with you guys one-on-one and I'd like to have my lawyer here. I have been present for people's evals before." }, { "start": 685.26, "end": 696.54, "text": "I don't want to go meet with them, but I'm not saying anything to these people. You do not have to. I am telling you that you do not have to say anything. You" }, { "start": 696.54, "end": 706.46, "text": "have the right to remain silent and to not answer questions about this charge. They cannot force you to talk. Yeah, well, that doesn't mean that they're... If" }, { "start": 706.46, "end": 716.28, "text": "they can declare that I'm mentally ill for not participating, then they'll just say I'm mentally ill for not talking. I, you are in a hard situation and I" }, { "start": 716.28, "end": 731.0, "text": "cannot give you a winning option. None of the options involve normal process of like having a criminal charge and resolving it. It's a never ending, like" }, { "start": 731.0, "end": 744.24, "text": "infinite loop. Correct. Yeah, so how is that like, okay? Your case is on pause unless and until you were found competent or they agreed to dismiss the" }, { "start": 744.24, "end": 751.44, "text": "character. Yeah, it was found competent and then now I'm not competent because I tried to defend myself. So you were found competent and then they restored it" }, { "start": 751.44, "end": 758.5, "text": "and then we moved back. We had a normal appearance and then you filed a bunch of stuff. And then the judge said, I have concerns based on all your filings. And" }, { "start": 758.5, "end": 765.58, "text": "then this is where we're at. Mr. Guertin, I don't have a lot of time to argue with you about this. I am happy to meet with you. I'm happy to have a phone call" }, { "start": 765.58, "end": 772.02, "text": "with you. But I don't have a lot of time when we show up to court to talk right before court. I have other people that are also scheduled for court that I have" }, { "start": 772.02, "end": 780.1, "text": "to help. So I can give you more time to think about what it is you want to do today. The reason we have court is because they want to check in on your" }, { "start": 780.1, "end": 788.92, "text": "competency. The way the judge checks in on your competency is by asking a doctor to meet with you. You're scheduled for a meeting next week. You let me know if" }, { "start": 788.92, "end": 793.02, "text": "you're willing to do it or if you want me to say you're not going to do it. And then we will deal with the consequences." }, { "start": 797.2, "end": 806.24, "text": "Why can't I do it over Zoom? I don't know. I don't know. I didn't schedule it for you. You can contact them and say, can I please appear via Zoom? I'm more" }, { "start": 806.24, "end": 807.12, "text": "comfortable that way." }, { "start": 812.16, "end": 823.34, "text": "Yeah, I mean, I can meet with whoever, but I'm not saying anything. That's, again, that is fine. Okay, so I'm going to log off. I'm going to turn you on the" }, { "start": 823.34, "end": 828.72, "text": "courtroom. I'm going to try to get your case called, okay? I have one other person to talk to, and then I'm going to try to get your case addressed so that" }, { "start": 828.72, "end": 837.44, "text": "you can get out of here and you don't have to keep sitting here today, okay? Okay. All right, I will do what I can for you. Give me, like, 10 minutes." }, { "start": 849.22, "end": 853.42, "text": "All right, I will do what I can for you. Give me, like, 10 minutes." }, { "start": 873.1, "end": 884.1, "text": "Recording in progress. I will be there for Mr. Norris to know why he's here and why he's continued, and if anyone could give me a court file number, I'm happy" }, { "start": 884.1, "end": 893.04, "text": "to look it up so I can inform Mr. Norris what's going on. We'll go ahead and put the case on the record. Great. We are now going on the record in the matter of" }, { "start": 893.04, "end": 900.58, "text": "the state of Minnesota versus Moses Chris Patrick Norris, court file number 27CR231396," }, { "start": 901.14, "end": 905.08, "text": "court file number 27CR243127," }, { "start": 905.28, "end": 909.0, "text": "court file number 27CR257964," }, { "start": 909.34, "end": 913.2, "text": "court file number 27CR2514316," }, { "start": 913.68, "end": 917.56, "text": "court file number 27CR2417318," }, { "start": 917.56, "end": 921.86, "text": "court file number 27CR2419696," }, { "start": 922.2, "end": 925.64, "text": "court file number 27CR256842," }, { "start": 926.06, "end": 929.42, "text": "court file number 27CR2510078," }, { "start": 929.96, "end": 933.42, "text": "and court file number 27CR2513151." }, { "start": 938.1, "end": 949.46, "text": "And Mr. Arneson, are you here on behalf of the state? I am, Your Honor. Thank you. So these were scheduled initially, Mr. Norris, for a six-month review" }, { "start": 949.46, "end": 967.14, "text": "hearing, and we have received a request from Mr. Lund. Is that right, Mr. Trapper? Okay, from your attorney, Mr. Lund, she can address that with the court" }, { "start": 967.14, "end": 972.72, "text": "at another time, okay? All right. Thank you. We are adjourned in the Norris matter." }, { "start": 975.84, "end": 978.64, "text": "Mr. Norris, you're all good. You can log off. All right." }, { "start": 983.62, "end": 984.06, "text": "Yeah." }, { "start": 988.1, "end": 990.36, "text": "And the next matter will be the Guertin matter." }, { "start": 995.1, "end": 1003.28, "text": "We are now going on the record in the matter of the state of Minnesota versus Matthew David Guertin, court file number 27CR231886," }, { "start": 1003.62, "end": 1011.96, "text": "parties, please note your appearances for the record. Tom Arneson for the state. Good afternoon, everyone. Raissa, RAISSA, Carpenter Assistant Public" }, { "start": 1011.96, "end": 1019.62, "text": "Defender, appearing on behalf of Mr. Guertin, who is present via Zoom. Good afternoon, Mr. Guertin. Thank you very much for your patience as we work through" }, { "start": 1019.62, "end": 1028.08, "text": "the calendar this afternoon. I know you've been here for the entirety since 1 .30, and I appreciate your patience. This is a first appearance for Mr. Guertin," }, { "start": 1028.26, "end": 1045.24, "text": "and there has been no report as the information I have is that psychological services was not able to reach Mr. Guertin to schedule an appointment. There is" }, { "start": 1045.24, "end": 1053.94, "text": "an in-person appointment scheduled for October 15th with Dr. Barbo, so that would be in the Hennepin County Government Center on the fifth floor, and a" }, { "start": 1053.94, "end": 1066.62, "text": "return date of November 18th. Ms. Carpenter, will Mr. Guertin be able to make that? Yes, Your Honor. Mr. Guertin has been informed of the new appointment date" }, { "start": 1066.62, "end": 1074.04, "text": "and time. He's wondering if it's possible for him to do that via Zoom rather than in person. He would need to work that out with psychological services, so" }, { "start": 1074.04, "end": 1086.42, "text": "if he has the contact number for Dr. Barbo or for psychological services, he can call and ask if that could be done by Zoom. I know they do have done some by" }, { "start": 1086.42, "end": 1093.14, "text": "Zoom, so it may be an examiner-by-examiner option." }, { "start": 1097.16, "end": 1107.7, "text": "But he definitely should ask. Mr. Guertin, any questions for the judge while we have them here? You're okay? You understand your appointment with psychological" }, { "start": 1107.7, "end": 1119.3, "text": "services is on October 15th, and then our next court date is on November 18th at 1.30. I don't have any questions. I would just like to put on the record that I" }, { "start": 1119.3, "end": 1132.6, "text": "was found competent previously, on trial, and that this current fourth, I don't know, what is it, fourth, third, I don't know, I lost count, of Rule 20 order," }, { "start": 1132.6, "end": 1143.84, "text": "was ordered as a result of my motion to dismiss that I filed on April 16th, which dealt with fraudulent discovery that was acknowledged on the record on" }, { "start": 1143.84, "end": 1154.08, "text": "March 5th, which is, I have a transcript for doing the contested competency hearing. So, my motion to dismiss is the reason and the sole reason, which is" }, { "start": 1154.08, "end": 1165.94, "text": "stated on the record by Judge Huddleston as the reason for this Rule 20. So, I would like that to be on the record that my legal defense of trying to defend" }, { "start": 1165.94, "end": 1176.58, "text": "myself is the stated reason for why there is an issue of competency and why this is being ordered. That's what I would like to be clear. Thank you, Mr. Guertin." }, { "start": 1177.5, "end": 1184.14, "text": "Ms. Carpenter, anything else? I don't have anything additional other than the record already made by Mr. Guertin, which I think is sufficient, Your Honor." }, { "start": 1184.4, "end": 1190.42, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Arneson. Anything else? Nothing further, Your Honor. Thank you again, Mr. Guertin. I want to thank you very much for your patience. We are" }, { "start": 1190.42, "end": 1194.56, "text": "adjourned in your matter, and you are free to disconnect at this time. Thank you." }, { "start": 1202.12, "end": 1203.52, "text": "Thank you." }, { "start": 1232.1, "end": 1232.42, "text": "Thank you." }, { "start": 1262.1, "end": 1262.42, "text": "Thank you." }, { "start": 1292.1, "end": 1293.12, "text": "Thank you." } ] }, "001": { "file": "001__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 49.28, "segment_count": 5, "full_text": "They essentially want you to meet with an examiner from psychological services again for that person to do an updated report. You've been through this before. You know they do their updated report. Then we get to challenge the report if we want to challenge the report or we can agree to the report. And then this is kind of how it goes. But they won't do anything until the report gets done. How long does this ship go on for? Like how when does this end? There is for most cases it's about a three year timeline from when you're first found not competent unless they file a notice of intent to prosecute you. If they file a notice of intent to continue to prosecute you then they can do it indefinitely until a judge agrees to dismiss it in the interests of justice.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 9.74, "text": "They essentially want you to meet with an examiner from psychological services again for that person to do an updated report. You've been through this before." }, { "start": 10.08, "end": 16.98, "text": "You know they do their updated report. Then we get to challenge the report if we want to challenge the report or we can agree to the report. And then this is" }, { "start": 16.98, "end": 29.12, "text": "kind of how it goes. But they won't do anything until the report gets done. How long does this ship go on for? Like how when does this end? There is for most" }, { "start": 29.12, "end": 40.28, "text": "cases it's about a three year timeline from when you're first found not competent unless they file a notice of intent to prosecute you. If they file a" }, { "start": 40.28, "end": 48.7, "text": "notice of intent to continue to prosecute you then they can do it indefinitely until a judge agrees to dismiss it in the interests of justice." } ] }, "002": { "file": "002__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 24.683, "segment_count": 3, "full_text": "I think it helps us that that Supreme Court decision in the Vagle case came out in your favor. I don't know if you saw my email about that. Yeah, it came out the day after I brought it up 22 hours later. So that's in our favor, but I don't know if they'll let us litigate it while you're still not competent to proceed. Litigate what? The charges aren't valid anymore. Yeah, I hear you.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 8.46, "text": "I think it helps us that that Supreme Court decision in the Vagle case came out in your favor. I don't know if you saw my email about that. Yeah, it came out" }, { "start": 8.46, "end": 19.4, "text": "the day after I brought it up 22 hours later. So that's in our favor, but I don't know if they'll let us litigate it while you're still not competent to" }, { "start": 19.4, "end": 24.44, "text": "proceed. Litigate what? The charges aren't valid anymore. Yeah, I hear you." } ] }, "003": { "file": "003__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 10.688, "segment_count": 3, "full_text": "in some cases they're fighting it they're saying that there's an exception and so we would have to argue about it in court and i don't know if they'll let us do that before you're found competent", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 4.88, "text": "in some cases they're fighting it they're saying that there's an exception and so we" }, { "start": 4.88, "end": 7.84, "text": "would have to argue about it in court and i don't know if they'll let us do that" }, { "start": 7.84, "end": 17.84, "text": "before you're found competent" } ] }, "004": { "file": "004__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 22.379, "segment_count": 3, "full_text": "I've already been in our favor. You're right. You were, and then you were quickly found not competent again. Yeah, because I tried to dismiss the charges based on the fraudulent discovery that was admitted to in the record during the March 5th hearing. So then the question is, are you okay doing the meeting with the doctor next week so that we can get this moving again?", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 10.08, "text": "I've already been in our favor. You're right. You were, and then you were quickly found not competent again. Yeah, because I tried to dismiss the charges" }, { "start": 10.08, "end": 18.7, "text": "based on the fraudulent discovery that was admitted to in the record during the March 5th hearing. So then the question is, are you okay doing the meeting with" }, { "start": 18.7, "end": 21.92, "text": "the doctor next week so that we can get this moving again?" } ] }, "005": { "file": "005__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 41.216, "segment_count": 13, "full_text": "Yeah, because no matter what I do, they're not accurate reports. Yeah, I hear you. And then we can challenge it, but you've been through that before. Sometimes we have luck, and then sometimes we don't have luck. Yeah, I want the – I have job offers. I have stuff going on. I'm trying to get this shit over with. It's my entire goal, and it's never-ending fucking – it's going on 32 months of this shit. Yeah, it's been a very long time. Yeah, well, I just want – I want closure, right? Because that doesn't seem unreasonable to want to put this behind me and move on with my life.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 4.6, "text": "Yeah, because no matter what I do, they're not accurate reports." }, { "start": 5.72, "end": 6.5, "text": "Yeah, I hear you." }, { "start": 6.9, "end": 9.98, "text": "And then we can challenge it, but you've been through that before." }, { "start": 10.12, "end": 12.54, "text": "Sometimes we have luck, and then sometimes we don't have luck." }, { "start": 13.24, "end": 17.08, "text": "Yeah, I want the – I have job offers." }, { "start": 17.2, "end": 18.2, "text": "I have stuff going on." }, { "start": 18.24, "end": 20.12, "text": "I'm trying to get this shit over with." }, { "start": 20.12, "end": 24.56, "text": "It's my entire goal, and it's never-ending fucking –" }, { "start": 24.56, "end": 26.56, "text": "it's going on 32 months of this shit." }, { "start": 26.56, "end": 30.24, "text": "Yeah, it's been a very long time." }, { "start": 30.78, "end": 34.22, "text": "Yeah, well, I just want – I want closure, right?" }, { "start": 34.4, "end": 39.22, "text": "Because that doesn't seem unreasonable to want to put this behind me" }, { "start": 39.22, "end": 40.46, "text": "and move on with my life." } ] }, "006": { "file": "006__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 4.608, "segment_count": 1, "full_text": "here for an in-person appointment with Dr. Barbo. You're correct.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 3.28, "text": "here for an in-person appointment with Dr. Barbo. You're correct." } ] }, "007": { "file": "007__2025-10-08", "duration_seconds": 8.406, "segment_count": 1, "full_text": "a complaint warrant got issued you paid the warrant amount right away yeah you appeared out of custody and you've been out of custody the whole time", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 8.0, "text": "a complaint warrant got issued you paid the warrant amount right away yeah you appeared out of custody and you've been out of custody the whole time" } ] }, "009": { "file": "009__2025-10-08", "duration_seconds": 7.318, "segment_count": 2, "full_text": "um i'm just looking at the conditions on the warrant yeah it's technically not a condition of your release that you attend the appointment", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 5.04, "text": "um i'm just looking at the conditions on the warrant yeah it's technically not a" }, { "start": 5.04, "end": 15.92, "text": "condition of your release that you attend the appointment" } ] }, "010": { "file": "010__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 36.054, "segment_count": 4, "full_text": "Yeah, I just want to have a conclusion to this never-ending loop of the same shit over and over. The fastest way to move it through is to do the eval and to get the report. That's the fastest way to move it through because we are paused until that stuff happens. Yeah, well, they're saying in the report that just like the Cranbrook report that I didn't participate in, there's an entire narrative that's going on that I have all this history of this and that and none of it's true. And I stated that in the March 5th hearing.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 14.06, "text": "Yeah, I just want to have a conclusion to this never-ending loop of the same shit over and over. The fastest way to move it through is to do the eval and to" }, { "start": 14.06, "end": 22.36, "text": "get the report. That's the fastest way to move it through because we are paused until that stuff happens. Yeah, well, they're saying in the report that just" }, { "start": 22.36, "end": 31.88, "text": "like the Cranbrook report that I didn't participate in, there's an entire narrative that's going on that I have all this history of this and that and none" }, { "start": 31.88, "end": 35.64, "text": "of it's true. And I stated that in the March 5th hearing." } ] }, "011": { "file": "011__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 29.568, "segment_count": 7, "full_text": "i'm just telling you what happened i remember i remember i was there i've been helping litigate this man i remember this stuff i remember that we argued against it i remember that we had a hearing i remember that we disagreed with it what the doctor said on the basis for what the doctor said yeah i called out the prosecution here we are yeah and here we are this is where we're at today so i'm in the hallway outside of a courtroom i've got to go back into the courtroom i'm trying to help you out let me know what it is you want to do here's what the here's the options that we have", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 5.4, "text": "i'm just telling you what happened i remember i remember i was there i've been helping litigate" }, { "start": 5.4, "end": 9.74, "text": "this man i remember this stuff i remember that we argued against it i remember that we had a" }, { "start": 9.74, "end": 13.44, "text": "hearing i remember that we disagreed with it what the doctor said on the basis for what the doctor" }, { "start": 13.44, "end": 19.74, "text": "said yeah i called out the prosecution here we are yeah and here we are this is where we're at" }, { "start": 19.74, "end": 24.46, "text": "today so i'm in the hallway outside of a courtroom i've got to go back into the courtroom i'm trying" }, { "start": 24.46, "end": 29.0, "text": "to help you out let me know what it is you want to do here's what the here's the options that we" }, { "start": 29.0, "end": 29.38, "text": "have" } ] }, "012": { "file": "012__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 7.211, "segment_count": 2, "full_text": "You can agree to do the eval next week, or you can say, I'm not doing it. And then we will see what they try to do from there, and we will try to litigate it.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 3.36, "text": "You can agree to do the eval next week, or you can say, I'm not doing it." }, { "start": 3.44, "end": 6.92, "text": "And then we will see what they try to do from there, and we will try to litigate it." } ] }, "013": { "file": "013__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 8.406, "segment_count": 4, "full_text": "I just want to have this be over. That's not an option today. I'm sorry. Well, that's my intention.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 2.42, "text": "I just want to have this be over." }, { "start": 3.5, "end": 5.0, "text": "That's not an option today." }, { "start": 5.22, "end": 5.74, "text": "I'm sorry." }, { "start": 6.26, "end": 7.56, "text": "Well, that's my intention." } ] }, "014": { "file": "014__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 6.72, "segment_count": 2, "full_text": "Okay. Do you want more time to think about it? I mean, there's lots of other cases to do. You can keep waiting until you know what you want me to tell the judge today.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 3.76, "text": "Okay. Do you want more time to think about it? I mean, there's lots of other cases to do. You" }, { "start": 3.76, "end": 6.54, "text": "can keep waiting until you know what you want me to tell the judge today." } ] }, "015": { "file": "015__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 8.214, "segment_count": 3, "full_text": "I was, I just know you've been sitting here for like two hours. So I was trying to get your case called and get you out of here. But if you're not ready to go, I'll give you more time to sit and think.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 2.68, "text": "I was, I just know you've been sitting here for like two hours." }, { "start": 2.8, "end": 5.7, "text": "So I was trying to get your case called and get you out of here." }, { "start": 5.74, "end": 8.04, "text": "But if you're not ready to go, I'll give you more time to sit and think." } ] }, "016": { "file": "016__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 9.003, "segment_count": 4, "full_text": "So what do they say if I say I don't want to meet with them? I don't know. We're going to find out together. I've never had this happen for somebody who paid bail, so it wasn't a condition of their release.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 2.36, "text": "So what do they say if I say I don't want to meet with them?" }, { "start": 2.54, "end": 4.42, "text": "I don't know. We're going to find out together." }, { "start": 4.64, "end": 7.2, "text": "I've never had this happen for somebody who paid bail," }, { "start": 7.3, "end": 8.96, "text": "so it wasn't a condition of their release." } ] }, "017": { "file": "017__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 5.739, "segment_count": 3, "full_text": "I think they would likely order you to meet with them. I think we would object to that. And we would say that there's no basis to do that.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 2.14, "text": "I think they would likely order you to meet with them." }, { "start": 2.2, "end": 3.44, "text": "I think we would object to that." }, { "start": 3.54, "end": 5.56, "text": "And we would say that there's no basis to do that." } ] }, "018": { "file": "018__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 8.64, "segment_count": 3, "full_text": "And then what? If this or that, what's the two? I think they could find you in contempt for the court for not following through with a court order.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 3.2, "text": "And then what? If this or that, what's the two?" }, { "start": 3.26, "end": 6.26, "text": "I think they could find you in contempt for the court" }, { "start": 6.26, "end": 8.26, "text": "for not following through with a court order." } ] }, "019": { "file": "019__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 3.904, "segment_count": 2, "full_text": "I think it will delay things a lot. I think we would fight about this back and forth.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 1.76, "text": "I think it will delay things a lot." }, { "start": 1.92, "end": 3.84, "text": "I think we would fight about this back and forth." } ] }, "020": { "file": "020__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 5.483, "segment_count": 2, "full_text": "And I think eventually you will be required to do an eval or they will issue a report without your cooperation.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 3.5, "text": "And I think eventually you will be required to do an eval or they will" }, { "start": 3.5, "end": 5.46, "text": "issue a report without your cooperation." } ] }, "021": { "file": "021__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 9.878, "segment_count": 4, "full_text": "And then all this is doing is causing delay. And so if what you actually want is to move this forward and try to get this resolved, then I would suggest doing the appointment next week.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 2.54, "text": "And then all this is doing is causing delay." }, { "start": 2.54, "end": 6.0, "text": "And so if what you actually want is to move this forward" }, { "start": 6.0, "end": 7.28, "text": "and try to get this resolved," }, { "start": 7.28, "end": 9.9, "text": "then I would suggest doing the appointment next week." } ] }, "022": { "file": "022__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 4.288, "segment_count": 2, "full_text": "We can't control what they'll say. They might issue another report that you find highly offensive.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 1.42, "text": "We can't control what they'll say." }, { "start": 1.52, "end": 3.92, "text": "They might issue another report that you find highly offensive." } ] }, "023": { "file": "023__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 7.083, "segment_count": 4, "full_text": "And that's fine. And then you can decide you want to agree with it or do you want to fight it? But this is the cycle. What do they say when I go down there and I don't talk?", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 0.78, "text": "And that's fine." }, { "start": 0.92, "end": 3.6, "text": "And then you can decide you want to agree with it or do you want to fight it?" }, { "start": 3.8, "end": 4.7, "text": "But this is the cycle." }, { "start": 4.7, "end": 6.98, "text": "What do they say when I go down there and I don't talk?" } ] }, "024": { "file": "024__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 7.04, "segment_count": 2, "full_text": "I've had them do that before. I think you can tell them, I talked to my lawyer and my lawyer said, I don't have to answer questions and I have the right to remain silent.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 3.98, "text": "I've had them do that before. I think you can tell them, I talked to my lawyer and my lawyer" }, { "start": 3.98, "end": 6.76, "text": "said, I don't have to answer questions and I have the right to remain silent." } ] }, "025": { "file": "025__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 1.75, "segment_count": 1, "full_text": "And then they can get mad at me about that.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 1.9, "text": "And then they can get mad at me about that." } ] }, "026": { "file": "026__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 9.942, "segment_count": 5, "full_text": "How do I know if it's a behind-closed-doors meeting where nothing's documented? How do they know that I stayed silent? How do they know anything? Because there's no one. It's a fair word against mine.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 4.56, "text": "How do I know if it's a behind-closed-doors meeting where nothing's documented?" }, { "start": 4.72, "end": 6.3, "text": "How do they know that I stayed silent?" }, { "start": 6.42, "end": 7.18, "text": "How do they know anything?" }, { "start": 7.34, "end": 8.12, "text": "Because there's no one." }, { "start": 8.82, "end": 9.9, "text": "It's a fair word against mine." } ] }, "027": { "file": "027__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 6.806, "segment_count": 1, "full_text": "You can say I'm not comfortable meeting with you guys one-on-one and I'd like to have my lawyer here. I have been present for people's evals before.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 6.38, "text": "You can say I'm not comfortable meeting with you guys one-on-one and I'd like to have my lawyer here. I have been present for people's evals before." } ] }, "028": { "file": "028__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 3.478, "segment_count": 1, "full_text": "I can go meet with them, but I don't want to, I'm not saying anything to these people.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 3.46, "text": "I can go meet with them, but I don't want to, I'm not saying anything to these people." } ] }, "029": { "file": "029__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 5.611, "segment_count": 2, "full_text": "You have the right to remain silent and to not answer questions about this charge. They cannot force you to talk.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 4.08, "text": "You have the right to remain silent and to not answer questions about this charge." }, { "start": 4.32, "end": 5.48, "text": "They cannot force you to talk." } ] }, "030": { "file": "030__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 11.52, "segment_count": 3, "full_text": "if they can declare that I'm mentally ill for not participating, then they'll just say I'm mentally ill for not talking. You are in a hard situation, and I cannot give you a winning option.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 3.0, "text": "if they can declare that I'm mentally ill for not participating," }, { "start": 3.54, "end": 6.22, "text": "then they'll just say I'm mentally ill for not talking." }, { "start": 7.32, "end": 11.22, "text": "You are in a hard situation, and I cannot give you a winning option." } ] }, "031": { "file": "031__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 13.547, "segment_count": 4, "full_text": "None of the options involve normal process of, like, having a criminal charge and resolving it. It's a never-ending, like, infinite loop. Correct. Yeah, so how is that, like, okay?", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 4.9, "text": "None of the options involve normal process of, like, having a criminal charge and resolving it." }, { "start": 4.98, "end": 7.66, "text": "It's a never-ending, like, infinite loop." }, { "start": 8.26, "end": 8.7, "text": "Correct." }, { "start": 9.7, "end": 12.68, "text": "Yeah, so how is that, like, okay?" } ] }, "032": { "file": "032__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 5.206, "segment_count": 1, "full_text": "Your case is on pause unless and until you are found competent or they agree to dismiss the court.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 5.14, "text": "Your case is on pause unless and until you are found competent or they agree to dismiss the court." } ] }, "033": { "file": "033__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 4.011, "segment_count": 2, "full_text": "Yeah, it was fun competent. And then now I'm not competent because I try to defend myself.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 1.14, "text": "Yeah, it was fun competent." }, { "start": 1.34, "end": 3.88, "text": "And then now I'm not competent because I try to defend myself." } ] }, "034": { "file": "034__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 5.654, "segment_count": 2, "full_text": "You were found competent and then they restored and then we moved back. We had a normal appearance and then you filed a bunch of stuff.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 3.18, "text": "You were found competent and then they restored and then we moved back." }, { "start": 3.26, "end": 5.56, "text": "We had a normal appearance and then you filed a bunch of stuff." } ] }, "035": { "file": "035__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 3.968, "segment_count": 2, "full_text": "And then the judge said, I have concerns based on all your filings. And then this is where we're at.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 2.56, "text": "And then the judge said, I have concerns based on all your filings." }, { "start": 2.56, "end": 3.92, "text": "And then this is where we're at." } ] }, "036": { "file": "036__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 16.683, "segment_count": 3, "full_text": "The reason we have court is because they want to check in on your competency. The way the judge checks in on your competency is by asking a doctor to meet with you. You're scheduled for a meeting next week. You let me know if you're willing to do it or if you want me to say you're not going to do it, and then we will deal with the consequences.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 8.18, "text": "The reason we have court is because they want to check in on your competency. The way the judge checks in on your competency is by asking a doctor to meet" }, { "start": 8.18, "end": 15.04, "text": "with you. You're scheduled for a meeting next week. You let me know if you're willing to do it or if you want me to say you're not going to do it, and then we" }, { "start": 15.04, "end": 16.1, "text": "will deal with the consequences." } ] }, "037": { "file": "037__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 70.784, "segment_count": 5, "full_text": "we are now going on the record in the matter of the state of minnesota versus moses chris patrick norris court file number 27 cr 23 1396 court file number 27 cr 24 3127 file number 27 cr 25 7 964 court file number 27 cr 25 14 316 court file number 27 cr 24 17 318 court file number 27 cr 24 196 96 court file number 27 cr 25 6842 court file number 27 cr 25 10078 and court file number 27 cr 25 13151 and uh mr arneson are you here on behalf of the state i am your honor thank you so these uh were scheduled initially mr norris um for a six month review hearing um and we have received a request from mr lund is that right mr", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 11.46, "text": "we are now going on the record in the matter of the state of minnesota versus moses chris patrick norris court file number 27 cr 23 1396 court file number 27" }, { "start": 11.46, "end": 31.6, "text": "cr 24 3127 file number 27 cr 25 7 964 court file number 27 cr 25 14 316 court file number 27 cr 24 17 318 court file number 27 cr 24 196 96 court file" }, { "start": 31.6, "end": 42.22, "text": "number 27 cr 25 6842 court file number 27 cr 25 10078 and court file number 27 cr 25 13151" }, { "start": 46.13, "end": 58.8, "text": "and uh mr arneson are you here on behalf of the state i am your honor thank you so these uh were scheduled initially mr norris um for a six month review hearing" }, { "start": 58.8, "end": 69.72, "text": "um and we have received a request from mr lund is that right mr" } ] }, "038": { "file": "038__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 86.72, "segment_count": 9, "full_text": "We are now going on the record in the matter of the state of Minnesota versus Matthew David Guertin, court file number 27-CR-23-1886. Parties, please note your appearances for the record. Tom Arneson for the state. Good afternoon, everyone. Raissa, RAISSA, Carpenter Assistant Public Defender, appearing on behalf of Mr. Guertin, who is present via Zoom. Good afternoon, Mr. Guertin. Thank you very much for your patience as we work through the calendar this afternoon. I know you've been here for the entirety since 1.30, and I appreciate your patience. This is a first appearance for Mr. Guertin, and there has been no report as the information I have is that Psychological Services was not able to reach Mr. Guertin to schedule an appointment. There is an in-person appointment scheduled for October 15th with Dr. Barbo, so that would be in the Hennepin County Government Center on the 5th floor, and a return date of November 18th. Ms. Carpenter, will Mr. Guertin be able to make that? Yes, Your Honor, Mr. Guertin has been informed of the new appointment date and time. He's wondering if it's possible for him to do that via Zoom rather than in-person. He would need to work that out with Psychological Services, so if he has the contact number for Dr. Barbo or for Psychological Services, he can call and ask if that could be done by Zoom. Thank you.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 9.96, "text": "We are now going on the record in the matter of the state of Minnesota versus Matthew David Guertin, court file number 27-CR-23-1886. Parties, please note your" }, { "start": 9.96, "end": 17.92, "text": "appearances for the record. Tom Arneson for the state. Good afternoon, everyone. Raissa, RAISSA, Carpenter Assistant Public Defender, appearing on" }, { "start": 17.92, "end": 25.92, "text": "behalf of Mr. Guertin, who is present via Zoom. Good afternoon, Mr. Guertin. Thank you very much for your patience as we work through the calendar this afternoon." }, { "start": 25.92, "end": 38.42, "text": "I know you've been here for the entirety since 1.30, and I appreciate your patience. This is a first appearance for Mr. Guertin, and there has been no" }, { "start": 38.42, "end": 51.98, "text": "report as the information I have is that Psychological Services was not able to reach Mr. Guertin to schedule an appointment. There is an in-person appointment" }, { "start": 51.98, "end": 61.66, "text": "scheduled for October 15th with Dr. Barbo, so that would be in the Hennepin County Government Center on the 5th floor, and a return date of November 18th." }, { "start": 62.38, "end": 73.28, "text": "Ms. Carpenter, will Mr. Guertin be able to make that? Yes, Your Honor, Mr. Guertin has been informed of the new appointment date and time. He's wondering if it's" }, { "start": 73.28, "end": 81.16, "text": "possible for him to do that via Zoom rather than in-person. He would need to work that out with Psychological Services, so if he has the contact number for" }, { "start": 81.16, "end": 86.38, "text": "Dr. Barbo or for Psychological Services, he can call and ask if that could be done by Zoom. Thank you." } ] }, "039": { "file": "039__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 93.547, "segment_count": 10, "full_text": "mr Guertin any questions for the judge while we have them here you're okay you understand your um appointment with psychological services is on october 15th and then our next court date is on november 18th at 1 30. um i don't have any questions i would just like to put on the record that uh i was found competent previously uh in trial and that this current fourth i don't know what is it fourth third i don't know i lost count of uh rule 20 order was ordered as a result of my motion to dismiss that i filed on april 16th which dealt with fraudulent discovery that was acknowledged on the record on march 5th which is i have a transcript for doing the contested competency hearing so my motion to dismiss is the reason and the sole reason which is stated on the record by judge huddleston as the reason for this rule 20 so i would like that to be on the record that my legal defense of trying to defend myself is the stated reason for why there's an issue of competency and why this is being ordered that's what i would like to be clear thank you mr Guertin miss carpenter anything else i don't have anything additional other than the record already made by mr Guertin which i think is sufficient your honor thank you mr ernison anything else nothing further your honor thank you again mr Guertin i want to thank you very much for your patience we are adjourned in your matter and you are free to uh disconnect at this time thank you", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 8.2, "text": "mr Guertin any questions for the judge while we have them here you're okay you understand your um appointment with psychological services is on october 15th" }, { "start": 8.2, "end": 18.82, "text": "and then our next court date is on november 18th at 1 30. um i don't have any questions i would just like to put on the record that uh i was found competent" }, { "start": 18.82, "end": 32.9, "text": "previously uh in trial and that this current fourth i don't know what is it fourth third i don't know i lost count of uh rule 20 order was ordered as a" }, { "start": 32.9, "end": 44.6, "text": "result of my motion to dismiss that i filed on april 16th which dealt with fraudulent discovery that was acknowledged on the record on march 5th which is i" }, { "start": 44.6, "end": 55.02, "text": "have a transcript for doing the contested competency hearing so my motion to dismiss is the reason and the sole reason which is stated on the record by judge" }, { "start": 55.02, "end": 67.06, "text": "huddleston as the reason for this rule 20 so i would like that to be on the record that my legal defense of trying to defend myself is the stated reason for" }, { "start": 67.06, "end": 77.76, "text": "why there's an issue of competency and why this is being ordered that's what i would like to be clear thank you mr Guertin miss carpenter anything else i don't" }, { "start": 77.76, "end": 85.3, "text": "have anything additional other than the record already made by mr Guertin which i think is sufficient your honor thank you mr ernison anything else nothing" }, { "start": 85.3, "end": 91.76, "text": "further your honor thank you again mr Guertin i want to thank you very much for your patience we are adjourned in your matter and you are free to uh disconnect" }, { "start": 91.76, "end": 93.16, "text": "at this time thank you" } ] }, "040": { "file": "040__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 106.88, "segment_count": 4, "full_text": "Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 1.0, "text": "Thank you." }, { "start": 30.0, "end": 59.98, "text": "Thank you." }, { "start": 60.0, "end": 89.98, "text": "Thank you." }, { "start": 90.0, "end": 119.98, "text": "Thank you." } ] }, "008": { "file": "008__2025-10-07", "duration_seconds": 8.41, "segment_count": 1, "full_text": "a complaint warrant got issued you paid the warrant amount right away yeah you appeared out of custody and you've been out of custody the whole time", "transcript": [ { "start": 0.0, "end": 8.0, "speaker": "Unknown", "text": "a complaint warrant got issued you paid the warrant amount right away yeah you appeared out of custody and you've been out of custody the whole time" } ] } } }