author: Richard Freeman

subject: Re: AC Line filter question

text:
It appears Some of my replies may not have been getting through -
(they have not reached Google So I will repeat my post from google

"> this has to be considered an el-cheapo answer, clearly coming from

Not for anyone who has wasted their money on AC line filters.....

True Dimmers often generate lots of noise however noise coming in via
your
AC mains is very unlikely

yep it is called a Mains Transformer and also a hefty set of Filter
Capacitors usually 1000's of uF

where did you get this idea??? most equipment using linear Power
supplies
has (as a function of the Filter capacitance and the Power
Transformer) very
'Heavy' (your term) Filtering lets put it this way it takes a lot more
filtering to filter 100Hz (120 if you are in the US) into D.C than
filtering
out the higher Frequencies do the math......

Since you are Dutch I will merely say that I feel that this has lost a
lot
in the Translation......
I guess you are saying that cheap filter add a series impedance to the
power
supply of an Amplifier so that the AC mains sags or 'browns out' this
is
correct in theory

there is usually no need to Filter the AC Mains especially not for
Power
Amplifiers which usually have very hefty Filter Caps

If you have a serious noise problem the most likely source is to be
from
Earth loops (yes this comes ultimately from the AC mains but AC mains
filters are unlikely to clean up Earth loop noise unless you Filter
the
whole house which is usually to all intents and purposes impractical.

has he checked for Earth loops ? every home studio I have seen to date
has
been full of earth loops (especially with the amount of equipment with
unbalanced connections) or is he just assuming  the noise comes in via
the
power supply because it sounds like mains noise ?

even from many cheaper Amps noise on the mains usually has no audible
affect
unless an Earth loop exists....

Not what I said at all merely that most supposed 'Mains caused noise'
is
coming in via other means than the AC Mains power point. As an example
an
Installation I recently looked into had 12 * 3 phase dimmers
(32A/phase/dimmer) with the lights at 25% the noise was clearly
audible
through the PA System. A likely candidate for noise coming in via the
AC
mains right ??  especially with the noise clearly visible on an
Oscilliscope
attached to the Earth (if you want to see noise on an Earth the CRO
needs to
be powered from a different Circuit) -  Wrong following the first rule
of
thumb that dimmer noise is a PA problem first and a lighting problem
last I
went through the PA System (consisting of 32-10 Foldback console, 40
Channel
FOH Console, Amp Racks, Audio feeds to a Video production suite, Audio
feeds
throught the building etc etc) inserted Iso Transformers on the Audio
Feeds
to other parts of the Building established a Technical Earth
(basically a
nice thick Earth wire) and lifted Earths on balanced lines between FOH
and
Foldback doing all this reduced the Buzz from being clearly/annoyingly
audible to well below the background accoustic buzz from the lights
themselves.

Yes AC mains often has all sorts of noise on it however fix all the
other
problems first like Earth loops first - keep interconnect leads as
short as
possible, plug every thing in to one power point/board, keep mains
lead
short use Audio isolation Transformers if desperate.

I have yet to see an AC mains filter make any significant difference
as the
filtering in any equipment with a linear power supply (most audio
equipment
on the market) is way more effective than any of the AC Mains filter I
have
seen on the market (and in fact any filter that would be legal in
Australia
and I suspect the rest of the world especially in europe where there
seems
to be a lot of concern with power factor) and the filtering in
equipment
using a Switchmode power supply is at least as effective as any AC
mains
filter

Regards
Richard Freeman


author: Phil Allison

subject: Re: AC Line filter question

text:
"Ernst Raedecker" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

   ** No such thing is clear.

**  There is no way it should be silent, you will hear noises for sure.

  ** Where the power transformer and rectifier/filter system completely
ignores it.

 Now,

    ** Horse manure.

     ** Not so. What is your reason here - core saturation maybe? That
actually increases the output voltage of a line filter.

This

  ** We have a golded eared expert here.

    ** Has he got a Rode NT2 by chance - really awful PSU on early models.

   ** Beter go and find those details, must be lying around somewhere.

   ** Bet he got then to use pure silver wire too, right?

 **  But you are.

       Phil


author: GregS

subject: Re: AC Line filter question

text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (Ernst Raedecker) wrote:

I have roamed around the house wondering why a pair of line intercoms doesn't
work in our house. I started listening to the noise with a portable am radio.
At one point in time the noise was horendous. I traced the line to the
outside, walking up and down the street. I was able to finally pin down the
noise source, my house! A bad HV power supply was sputtering all over the
AC lines. Turned that off, and the dozen or so florescent lamps in the house
then became the primary noise source. Forget about getting rid of the lamps.
I'm glad I'm not on the shortwave bands anymore. In my younger years, i
opperated Ham Radio. There was always this noise which would come every once
in a while, maybe once or twice a day, sometimes never. It sounded like a
buildup of energy, static type, over a 5 second period would get louder to a
roar, and then quit. I figured it was really something from the main lines,
but will never know.

I don't normaly get any noise from the stereos in the house. I have had
problems with various amp in various setups, mostly those that had
a ground connection somewhere. In those cases you can hear all the stuff on
the line. Normally though, it doesn't make any difference inserting a line
filter, if you can't identify anything in the first place. Protection is
another matter.

greg


author: Ebeth Jones

subject: Re: theft rings/dogs chasing deer

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (David Weinstein) writes:

Its hard for me to believe that deer need to be protected.  Isn't deer
overpopulation one of the main reasons giving for keeping deer hunting
legal (It certainly seems to be here in Northern Virginia).  Also,
while I suppose that unethical deer hunters could use dogs to run down
deer, I know of hunters who put salt licks out in their backyards
with motion detector lights and bells, so as soon as a deer shows up,
the hunters are awakened from their peaceful slumber by the lights
and bells and simply hop out of bed, shoot the deer, and stumble
back to sleep.  Why go to all the effort of keeping a dog?


author: George Boggs

subject: Re: theft rings/dogs chasing deer

text:
In article <[email]>, bajones@astro (Ebeth Jones) wrote:

Well, this is probably the wrong newsgroup for this stuff, but I don't
think it's as much an issue of deer "protection" as deer "management". The
whitetail deer herd in the USA is definitely big, but it is still wise to
put constraints on hunting seasons and methods to avoid the mistakes of the
latter 18th and early 19th century when wildlife in general was decimated
by market hunting. But you are right, in those townships and preserves
where deer are "protected", overpopulation almost inevitably occurs due to
lack of predation.

Do't want to be argumentative here, but it sounds like you are suggesting
that these individuals bait deer and shoot them at night. Now I'm
originally from WVa, but if the Va game laws are similar, this is
*poaching*, not hunting. In WVa (and Illinois and Colorado, where I have
lived since), both deer baiting, hunting with electronic detectors, and
hunting at night (i.e., outside specified shooting times) is illegal.

G. Boggs
[email]    my opinions alone, thank you


author: Charlie Sorsby

subject: Re: theft rings/dogs chasing deer

text:
In article <[email]> [email] writes:

Ebeth, where *do* you get your "information"?  :)

= Its hard for me to believe that deer need to be protected.  Isn't deer
= overpopulation one of the main reasons giving for keeping deer hunting

Overpopulation can be a problem in some areas and not in others.
As others have posted, the objectives of wildlife management it to
maintain more-or-less stable populations of species that are
withing the carrying capacity of the available habitat.  Often,
overpopulation problems are caused by misguided efforts to prevent
thinning of herds by law-abiding hunters.  Many examples of this
exists but I'll leave it to those with better memory for current
events to post specifics.

= legal (It certainly seems to be here in Northern Virginia).  Also,

Why should deer hunting (or any other legitimate form of hunting)
not be legal?

As I and others have posted, the reason for the very existance of
much wildlife is hunter dollars.  It is only relatively recently
that so-called environmentalists have become interested in
wildlife.  Hunters have been footing the bill for many decades.

= while I suppose that unethical deer hunters could use dogs to run down

Whether this is unethical or not depends on where it is happening
and on the personal ethics of the hunter.  In some states it is
legal to hunt deer with dogs.  Whether one does in those states is
up to the personal beliefs of the hunter.

The real problem with dogs running deer is, as I and others have
posted, that dogs do not obey game laws.  They disregard bag
limits, hunting seasons, hours, laws against wanton waste, ....

= deer, I know of hunters who put salt licks out in their backyards
= with motion detector lights and bells, so as soon as a deer shows up,
= the hunters are awakened from their peaceful slumber by the lights
= and bells and simply hop out of bed, shoot the deer, and stumble
= back to sleep.  Why go to all the effort of keeping a dog?

Where do "hunters" do this?  I should think that, if you could
prove this to the game and fish department, in many states they
would likely be arrested.  Have you ever witnessed such behavior?
Have you ever asked your state wildlife agency if it is legal?

FYI, people who kill game in contravention of game laws are called
poachers, not hunters.  Many states have variations of something
that, I believe, was started here in New Mexico.  It's called
Operation Game Thief here.  There's an 800 number where you can
call to report poaching.  I can't see my bumper sticker from here
or I could give you the 800 number for New Mexico.

Because so many people know little about hunting these days, Ebeth,
and have such distorted views about it, and because so many
distortions are published, I tend to be a mite sensitive about
such views.  Because of that, I am not always sure if a person
is attacking hunting or simply looking for information.  What *is*
your personal view of hunting, Ebeth?  This post seemed to me to
be a bit insinuative about hunting and hunters but I don't want
to put words in your mouth that I may only be imagining.


author: Charlie Johnston

subject: please see "a slow careful attempt..." below

text:
( I keep trying to chain my responses but my computer won't cooperate -
can't be operator error 'cause I *do* have opposable thumbs....in fact two
on each hand!)

(sigh) why do I always make myself flame-bait?


author: Shamenize

text:
FA: Big Audio Dynamite II - BAD - Rush Promo CD

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=377474531


author: Bill Turner

subject: RADIOTERRY

text:
THE PERSON WHO USES THIS NAME ON THE FORUM REPLYED TO A SUGGESTION THAT
HE CONTACT ME SAYING THAT HE HAD TRIED MY DIALCOVERS AND WAS
DISSATIFIED.  I TRIED TO ANSWER HIM TO SAY THAT MY DIALCOVERS COME WITH
"GUARANTEED ON ALL WAYS.  IF NOT SATISFIED RETURN IT WITH A NEW TRACING
OR THE BEZEL"  (JUST AS IT SAYS ON THE ENCLOSURE) ONLY TO FIND THAT FOR
SOME REASON HE HAS BLOCKED ME.  IS THIS A FRIEND OF THE CANADIAN WHO
HATES MY GUTS?

CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.


author: Richard Kanarek

subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
Greetings.

It would be nutty indeed for a customer of yours to have e-mailed you
a complaint, and then black-listed your e-mail address. We may
extrapolate, then, that the explanation is one of the following:
1) You have a nutty customer.
2) a) You have a dissatisfied customer with e-mail problems.
   b) You have a dissatisfied customer who you perceive as having
      e-mail problems.
3) You have received an e-mail from a fool while he was doing what
comes naturally.

In any case, you're having a great life if this is the worst of your
problems. Eventually he will write again, or he will contact you by
some other means.

Also note that, depending upon the Spam filter he is using, he may not
have intentionally "cut you off", nor is his 'cut-off' necessarily
permanent.

Cordially,
Richard Kanarek

P.S. If you'd like me to relay an e-mail to "Radioterry" from you, you
are welcome to send me your missive and the target e-mail. Note that
my e-mail address is slightly mangled, but, if you think about it, I
think you can figure it out. <g>

PLEASE DO NOT PUBLICLY POST MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, NOR "RADIOTERRY"'S
E-MAIL ADDRESS!

P.P.S. I shall be incommunicado for two weeks starting Saturday
(possibly even Friday).

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:15:14 -0500, [email] (Bill Turner)
wrote:


author: RadioTerry

subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
You have yet again misrepresented the facts. Perhaps the readers of this
newsgroup should go to the Radio Forum and read what I wrote, and the entire
thread, for themselves. Here is my reply, in its entirety, to the subjected
post asking if I had tried Bill Turner:
"I have not had good luck with Bill Turner and would prefer not to deal with
him. Any other possibilities?
Thanks,

Terry"

P.S.
You were put on my blocked e-mail list several years ago because of your
incessant flaming e-mails.

                                     Eschew Obfuscation Inter Alia
______________________________________________________________________

                         Radios let your mind see what your eyes cannot


author: Jeffrey D Angus

subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
Bill Turner wrote:

I doubt it Bill. Your ability to piss people off stands on it's
own merits.

Is this another one of your "poor me" postings, where we never
hear the full details of what went on before the part you tell
us about?

Jeff


author: Syl's Old Radioz

subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
"Bill Turner"  a ï¿½crit dans le message

You're pretty good at making enemies all by yourself...

There is a saying that goes like this:
When something is worth doing, do it right the first time.
If you can't, let someone else do it.

How do you expect the fighting to end when _you_ constantly put oil on the
fire?

Syl


author: hunker down

subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:15:14 -0500, [email] (Bill Turner)
wrote:

Sounds like a smart guy!


subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
HE DID'T EMAIL ME.  HE COMPLAINED ON THE FORUM.  I GUARANTEE EVERYTHING.

CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.


author: Steven Dinius

subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
I guess that plugs a leaky dike with a bullet.

"RadioTerry" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
entire
subjected
with


subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY DIALCOVERS, WOULD IT NOT BE REASONABLE TO
GO TO THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM?

CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.


subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
And this is typical of what Bill does over here. I was right when
I suggested that he neglected to tell us the rest of the details
other than "Poor me" whining as usual.

And, I too received email from Turner with regards to my "calling
him" on this post of his.

I'm waiting to see how many of the "Poor me" Bill Turner fan club
jump in now to defend him.

Jeff

RadioTerry wrote:


subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
SO'S YOUR OLD MAN (AND YOUR NEW WIFE FOR ALL I KNOW).

CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.


author: Robert Casey

subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
If you think Bill's bad, take a look over in aus.hi-fi sometime.
Two guys with initials FA and TT routinely engage in pissing
contests there...

We all have our fobies and crankyness...   :-)


subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
ITS YOUR FIRE.  CAN'T WAIT UNTIL YOU GET ONE TO MAKE FROM AN EXISTING
SCREWED UP DIAL COVER.  COME TO THINK OF IT ARE YOU CROWING BEFORE THE
CHICKENS ARE HATCHED.

CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.


subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
BY THE WAY, IF YOU WILL RETURN THE DIAL COVER TO ME I'LL RETURN YOUR
$14.00 AND POSTAGE OR MAKE YOU A NEW ONE.

CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.


subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
Bill Turner wrote:

And this is supposed to mean what?

Jeff, excuse lower case, curt answers, dealing with an asshole.


subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
"Bill Turner"  a ï¿½crit dans le message
 CAN'T WAIT UNTIL YOU GET ONE TO MAKE FROM AN EXISTING

Well, you won't have to wait long as one of them is yours...

Syl


subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
Bill Turner wrote:

You just don't get it do you Bill. He doesn't want to do
ANY business with you. Period. You've already pissed him
off before and now your attempts to "show how concerned
you are" just aren't going to cut it.

Jeff


subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:24:52 -0500, "jakdedert"
<[email]> wrote:

Anyone seen that movie "Kill Bill 2" ?


subject: Re: RADIOTERRY

text:
I WOULD PREFER THAT DECISION BE MADE BY THE PARTY INVOLVED, NOT YOU.

CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.


author: FalconFan

subject: Help My Cattleya Roots!  (Please)

text:
I was repotting a few of my cattleyas that I've had about a year and
noticing something a little disturbing. In nearly all the pots, most
of the mature roots were either drying up or dead. The new roots near
the surface of the pot appeared to be growing fine.

Here's some info on the growing conditions:
Growing area: My house's sunroom
Potting medium: medium fir bark with charcoal and perlite
Light: East window supplimented with 400watt MH light
Humidity: 45-60%
Pots: Clear plastic 5.5-6.5 inch
Watering: 2x per week with weak non-urea fertizer

This time around I'm putting a layer of styrofoam peanuts in the
bottom of the pot to hopefully help with the drainage.

I'm wondering if I overwatered? Did I overpot them the first time? I'd
love to hear from anyone who has any suggestions or has had this
happen to their cattleya. Thanks for any help :)


author: Frank Kulaga

subject: Re: Help My Cattleya Roots!  (Please)

text:
First, when repotting you generally find some not so attractive roots.  Cut
them back (with new razor blade) to the healthy part.

Re:  watering....If you mist the plants a few times weekly, and since they
are in plastic pots, I'd cut back to one watering weekly. The pseudobulbs
hold a lot of moisture.  Are you saying that you fertilize 2x weekly?  How
weak a solution do you use? Once a week half-strength 20-20-20 is usually
enough.  You can supplement with a sprinkle of osmocote on top of the medium
when repotting and 6-9 months afterward depending on the type of osmocote
you buy (check label for duration).  Personally, because I have a bunch of
orchids, I feed every two weeks at full strength (1tsp:gallon water) because
it's more convenient.  Everybody blooms dutifully.  : )

My catts are in either rock or aliflor (ceramic) and love it.  The peanuts
are always a good idea, for drainage (though I don't bother using them with
rock) and also to conserve potting medium.

Bottom line is, if the plants are otherwise healthy and there are new,
healthy roots, cut off the junk and don't worry about it!  Enjoy.....

Diana Kulaga
Port St. Lucie, FL

"FalconFan" <e-spice> wrote in message
news:[email]...


subject: Re: Help My Cattleya Roots!  (Please)

text:
Thanks for the informative post Diana.  I really appreciate your help
:)

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:10:41 GMT, "Frank Kulaga"
<[email]> wrote:


author: News

subject: BUYING! or TRADE for Dual Land ******

text:
We need Dual lands and many more cards.

We are BUYING!!!!!!
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We also TRADE.  All online at your concienience!
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author: Ingo Braune

subject: Starter solenoid question

text:
Hello all,

the starter on my 85 Jetta TD is getting lazy. Sometimes it works,
sometimes I can hear the solenoid kick in but the starter gets not
voltage and sometimes I don't even haer the solenoid move. So, is it of
any use to clean and grease the solenoid assembly, or is it more likely
that the sliding mechanism is really worn out ?
If not, can I take the solenoid of the starter _w/o_ removing the
starter ?
Look like I would need a very short screwdriver for this ?

		Ingo


author: William Gallas

subject: Re: Starter solenoid question

text:
Ingo,

The solenoid screws are on way too tight for a screwdriver. You'd have to
use an impact driver to get them off. Clean all the battery terminals and
grounds first as they are usually a cuase of the symproms you describe. If
you have to remove the solenoid do it off the car and clean the solenoid
bore with some carb cleaner, don't grease it. Grease will stop being helpful
when it gets cold.


subject: Re: Starter solenoid question

text:
William Gallas wrote:

Thanks for the insight, but I think I already tracked down the problem.
All cabling to the starter and ground is fine (replaced it a few years
ago myself). I can now get the starter to spin every time when I kind of
wiggle the ignition key _after_ turning it to the start position - looks
like I need a new ignition switch.

		Ingo


author: Simon Atkins

subject: colour analizer

text:
Has anyone tried using a colour analyser?

Just wondering if they are worth the money.


author: Manny Bhuta

subject: Re: colour analizer

text:
I personally would not get a Beseler PM2* color analyzer regardless of the
price.  On the other hand, Jobo's Colorline series and Lici's Colorstar 3000
analyzers are great.  I know that there are some who can make prints without
using an analyzer.  But, for me, a color analyzer saves me a lot of trial
and error.


author: Huib Smeets

subject: Re: colour analizer

text:
Hi,

After reading the NG and asking around, I learned that there are three
manufacturers who build analyzers you can actually work (=trust) with:

JOBO Colorline (www.jobo-usa.com)
Lici Colorstar (www.xs4all.nl/~colors)
Fem-Kunze (www.fem-kunze.com)

Before the Colorline, Jobo sold the Lici Colorstar under their own name.

Based on this information, I recently bought an used JOBO(=lici) Colorstar
3000.

I have to confess: I have all the stuff at home to do my own colourprinting
but have not yet started to do so, but when I played with the analysert a
little under the enlarger I noticed the sensitivity: just holding a hand
near the sensor (not in the lightpath), the reflected light of my hand
influenced the readings....

FYI: Tetenal and Amaloco have RA4 chemicals that work at room temperature,
so you can develop prints in a tray, but wear gloves was an advise a got.

Greetings,

Huib


author: Sandor A. Feher

subject: Re: colour analizer

text:
You have forget the Durst Labometer that works great and better then the
ones below.

Huib Smeets wrote in message <985444705.325639@SLIPstream>...


subject: Re: colour analizer

text:
Hi Sandor

Since you are so very pleased with the Durst, I'll add it to my shortlist,
incase the colorstar realy s.cks.

Bad thing is that I have nothing to compare against, I had to go on reviews
and hear-say.


subject: Re: colour analizer

text:
I have no experience with Durst Labometer.  Can you please explain how it is
better than Jobo's Colorline series and Lici's Colorstar 3000.  I do not
doubt your opinion but am most curious to learn.  What I like about these
analyzers are:

1.  consistent repeatable results
2.  needs to be programmed for paper only.  It not necessary to program for
each combination of paper and film type.
3.  can be used as a transmission densitometer.
4.  last and probably the most important, built-in procedure to produce the
perfect gray print.


author: Paul Repacholi

subject: Re: colour analizer

text:
"Huib Smeets" <[email]> writes:

Unless you print from the one batch of paper, have your process
calibratin nailed solid, and have your exposure also spot on, you
won't :) That's why pros will buy palet loads of paper and freeze it;
consistancy.

What a CA will do, used resonably is get you to within a few CC of the
correct value you need for the final print. It will *NOT* eliminate
the need for test prints. Skin tone is good as a reference because
someone will not have a clue what the correct colour of their house
is, but will scream blue murder if the skintones are a few CC off :(

BTW, A grey card is even better, IFF there is one in the photo...


author: Ted Harris

subject: Re: colour analizer

text:
I'd also add Easco to the list
Ted Harris
Resource Strategy
Henniker, New Hampshire


subject: Re: colour analizer

text:
Here in the UK I have seen the Phillips analysers for sale second hand
cheap. Has anyone used one of these, or are they even available in the US?

At the moment I seem to be wasting a lot of paper on test prints which is
working out expensive, even if the analyzer gave me a reading that was close
to the true colour balance I might then only need to do one test print
instead of several.

Simon Atkins.


author: KHOwen

subject: Re: colour analizer

text:
I work for JOBO Fototechnic, the USA importer for Durst, so please consider my
comments accordingly.

The Durst Labometer is advanced in many ways, but lacks some of the features of
the Colorstar and ColorLine analyzers.

Durst was the first (I believe) to build the instructions right into the
software of the analyzer.  It will take you step by step through however many
steps are needed for any involved sequence for programming.

It also has a method for overcoming dominant colors (subject failure) which
Durst calls low correction.

For the most part, the Labometer is the analyzer system they use in the Durst
AC 800 enlarger, just removed for use with almost any enlarger.

The "down-side" of the Labometer is that it is ONLY an integrated or
average-reading analyzer.  The 3 color cells sit side-by-side in a circle about
1inch in diameter, so you cannot take a spot reading.  The Labometer (like most
analyzers) also requires separate programs for each film and each paper being
used.

This is where the Colorstar and ColorLine analyzers really excel.  They have
found a technique for "ignoring" the color of the negative mask (that orange
cast) and just reading the image colors.  As a result, you can read virtually
any C-41 negative on the same program channel, switching from Kodak to Fuji to
Agfa to Konica and who knows what other brands of film.

As I write this e-mail I keep running into my darkroom making prints from all
sorts of films from my archives. ( I keep writing while my AutoLab processor
does the busy work of processing for me.)I just read the flesh-tone (since I
have a satisfactory flesh-tone channel) and it doesn't matter what film I
select.  They just keep coming out great.

Another diffference, the Labometer is only for use with C-41 films.  No prints
from slides or BW negatives.  The Colorstar, and even more so, the ColorLine
analyzers can easily be programmed for all kinds of printing.

Another difference between these three analyzers, is the slope control for
reciprocity correction.  (The ability to change the enlarger exposure time
without adding color or exposure problems.)  The Colorstar 3000 has only 8
variations for slope correction.  It's not bad but both the Durst Labometer and
JOBO ColorLine 5000, 5100 and 7000 analyzers all have precise slope settings.
You make tests with your paper and darkroom conditions until you get them
"perfect".  Then you can print at nearly any exposure with full corrections
assured.

I hope this helps clarify the differences with the Durst, Colorstar and
ColorLine analyzers.

Ken -- Jobo USA
[email]
Jobo web site: http://www.jobo-usa.com


subject: Re: colour analizer

text:
Whoops that is ESECO ... never could spell
Ted Harris
Resource Strategy
Henniker, New Hampshire


author: Sandor Feher

subject: Re: colour analizer

text:
What kind of Phillips CA you refering to?
I have the PCA60, with an anlog scale and this CA is worth its weight in
gold.
The key is that you always need to make a good print by trial and error then
use the same negative, the same settings and program the CA, regardless what
kind of brand one uses.  Simplicity also helps, stick with the same brand of
film and paper.  If you do print commercial then the game changes.  After
all, we are kind of amaturs here in this group but we can do better then
many commercial labs.

"Simon Atkins" <[email]> wrote in message
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author: Joel Nikoleit

subject: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
I am considering taking the woodbadge training course this summer and
am wondering if it is worth taking a week of vacation for it.  I have
been in the program for over 20 years as youth and adult, earned my
Eagle, and have been involved with 4 different units as either Skipper
or ASM.

I know that I will enjoy the week but what will I learn that I don't
already know?  Everyone I ask just replies that I will love the
training, it's worth the time, or that I need to do it if I consider
myself a serious Scouter, but without any details.

Can anyone tell me about anything they learned at woodbadge that they
used in their Troop?

Thanks

Joe Nikoleit
ASM Troop 635
Dan Bead Council


author: darrz

subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:23:12 -0400, Joel Nikoleit <[email]>
wrote:

Pro:

It puts you into a somewhat idealized scouting experience, AS A SCOUT,
rather than a leader. You know that obvious "disconnect" that most
leaders have from their scouts?

Woodbadge helps smudge out that "them" and "us" perspective.

Great and challenging fun with advanced pioneering projects, etc.,
interesting people.

Great camaraderie. We had an open sided meeting area with a solid
roof. When we sang "Back to Gilwell, Happy Land", the echoes made it
sound like there were hundreds of us.

Con:
The experience is a little manipulative and contrived. At first, your
patrol can do little that's right, regardless of effort or skill.

Later, your patrol can do little wrong. It's a "managed" experience.

OK.

In my case, the leaders never could give us the personal time which
they promised, over and over, day after day, to give us.

Now plans seldom work out perfectly, but day after day? C'mon! If
anyone ran anything that poorly, time-wise, they'd be replaced.

Your "ticket" which you'll write up while at woodbadge, which your
trainers will need to approve, may be seen as just another request to
extend your commitment to service in your troop. If you have a desire
for greater commitment, it's a big pro, but if you're already heavily
committed just to keep the troop in existence, it's a con.

In my case, I was a college student at the time, and knew I'd be
taking a summer class. I spoke with the SPL for the upcoming woodbadge
session, asking if I should attend, even though I'd have to take off
one evening to take the final exam for the class.

He said "no problem, please sign up", so I did. I was perfectly happy
to wait for the next training session, if needed.

As I prepared to leave for my final, my woodbade PL get's furious that
I'm leaving, tells me I can't continue with woodbadge if I set foot
out of the camp. I tell him to please speak with the SPL, that this
was all arranged months before and approved. He was an engineer at
Stanford Linear Accelerator, but he can't see the need to take a
final. Go figure!

Well, he was pissed, but overridden by the SPL. His lingering
animosity to me "why don't you take in a movie while you're at it?",
for the rest of the week, was clear and certainly put a sour note in
me regarding woodbadge.

Of course, it wasn't woodbadge, which I really enjoyed. It was just
this communications snafu, which I tried to set right from the start,
but again, woodbadge is a canned experience.

Anything out of that, (like handling their time reasonably, or
communicating my leave request agreement to my PL, etc.), they
certainly did not handle well.

If you're looking for further motivation to serve your troop or
district, then go to woodbadge.

Otherwise, I'd pass. The work on your "ticket" may not fit well with
the needs of your troop, when you return.

darrz
"I used to be an Owl..."


author: John O

subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
I learned a great deal about leadership. I was able to parlay that knowledge
into a much better appreciation for the leadership skills the Scouts do
(not) have. At a single interaction, I can see which Scouts "have it" and
which don't "have it" yet.

In hindsight, I learned the value of the Patrol Method. Today I feel it is
the critical element that allows a troop to function as the BSA envisions
such things. (A Scoutmaster's job is to develop leadership...) Without the
Patrol Method, a troop is doomed to mediocrity...IOW they remain a Webelos
den and never mature into a troop. I didn't see how that worked before Wood
Badge.

If you have a job that would benefit from the leadership skills you'll learn
at Gilwell, then there's a double bonus in this for you.


author: Matt

subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
"Joel Nikoleit" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Hey Joel,

Is it worth it?  In one word "YES".  As stated in other replies, Woodbadge
training gives you skills you haven't been given yet do help with the
teaching of leadership to your youth.  If you need more information on
Woodbadge and it's goals/aims, log onto the following website, they have a
great deal of information to help you make up your mind, if it isn't
already.  Besides, us adults need a summer camp to ourselves, don't we?

www.woodbadge.org

Good luck and hopefully have a great time at Woodbadge.


author: Dean, Los Angeles

subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
Joel Nikoleit <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Anyone that has been in a leader position for more than two years
would benefit from Woodbadge. I think you need two years to understand
the Scout program before Woodbadge has real benefits. Just my opinion.

The leadership skills are transferable to your job as well as
Scouting.

Just being in a learning environment for 6 days with veteran Scouters
is worth the price. You can ask every question you ever wanted to ask
and get an answer.

One of the aspects of Woodbadge is the "Ticket". This requires you to
really look at your goals and how you can help Scouting by determining
6 areas that you can be helpful. When you finish the Woodbadge course
you are given the Woodbadge tartan neckerchief, but to earn your
beads, you have to complete the ticket items within two years.

Go, you'll be a better Scouter, and person.

Dean


author: Doug & Lisa Cook

subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
Here are some specifics I picked up from 21st Century Wood Badge I took in
September 2002.

- You function as an "model" troop.  I learned how Troop Guides can really
serve a patrol.  How the ASM's can be assigned and perform specific jobs in
areas of troop management.  This has happened before at other training
experiences, but I have absorbed gems on how I can help my troop work better
each time I have been outside my troop working as a scout myself.

-  I had specific classes in: Listening, Communicating, Giving and Receiving
Feedback, Valuing People and Leveraging Diversity and Coaching and Mentoring
    Specific gems:  Rephrase comments scouts and others make.  This shows
empathy and shows them you care and are really listening.
                            How to use specific activities to build Patrol
spirit and bonding.
        Team Development
            When people first meet, the ideas are organized like a group of
random pickup sticks.
            People may come "at odds"
            Later they "come around"
            Then they act as one "perform"
        The classes give guidance on how to get from the first stage to the
last.

Wood Badge utilizes proprietary information from team leadership think tanks
in the course.  Anagrams such as S.M.A.R.T., S.O.L.V.E. and P.L.A.N.S. are
used to teach the advanced leadership skills that have not only helped me be
a better Scoutmaster but given me training I can use in my business, my
family and my friendships with other people.

I could go on and write perhaps several pages of the gems I have in my Wood
Badge notebook.   I'm an Eagle Scout, a scoutmaster and an adult scouter
with 10 years of experience and 2 high adventure camps and a national
jamboree.  Wood Badge helped me.  I rank the "experience" second only to a
national jamboree experience as a youth.

Hope this helps,

Yours in Scouting
Doug Cook
SM - Troop 850
Guthrie
-


author: InsaneScouter

subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
I was like you not sure if I should attend Woodbadge for more or less the
same reasons (years of experience, Eagle Scout, etc) ... I did... not only
did I learn a lot but I also had a lot of fun...

InsaneScouter
http://insanescouter.com Webmaster
[email]


author: Rick Tyler

subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
On Wed, 14 May 2003 23:07:58 GMT, darrz <[email]> wrote:

I'm sorry to hear that.  I am an Assistant Scoutmaster, and I sat down
with my Scoutmaster to write my ticket.  I *only* worked on things
that met the needs of the troop.  Sounds like you were led astray.

- Rick Tyler
  ASM, Troop 571
  Chief Seattle Council
  I used to be a Buffalo


author: JonFickett

subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
My 2cents:

You can manage to write your ticket to provide service to the Troop that really
needs doing and that you might well have done anyway.

And the "service to self" part caused me to do some things that really needed
doing!

Plus, there's another component that noone has mentioned. I took my course 3
years ago, over three weekends. All but one person in my Patrol really bonded,
and have become good, close friends that I speak with and see often.  Our
friendship has broadened beyond Scouting topics, and is something that would
have made the experience worthwhile even if I hadn't learned so much.


author: William Sheehan, Jr.

subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
Or maybe it was handled the way it REALLY gets handled in a troop and it was
important to WORK THROUGH the experience and keep everybody happy and coming
back.  It's all in the perspective!


subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
On Fri, 16 May 2003 13:47:55 GMT, "William  Sheehan, Jr."
<[email] dot att dot net> wrote:

No. If our troop handled things that poorly we wouldn't have been a
troop, period.

You can't consistently say (let alone teach!), one thing, while
consistently DOING something quite a bit different.

Either you lead by example, or what the devil are you doing?

darrz


author: Stephen M. Henning

subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
"William  Sheehan, Jr." <[email]> wrote:

This is the key to Wood Badge. [Yes, it is Wood Badge, not woodbadge.]
The course emphasizes the real world of a troop.  It uses the patrol
method in a real world situation. It shows how after a little practice
the patrol method works.


subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
darrz <[email]> wrote:

Using the patrol method is a learning experience.  It is not supposed to
be handled perfectly.  It is supposed to be handled in a way in which
the student learns the most.

People learn from mistakes.  If everything goes well, some people don't
learn anything.  They either are just along for the ride, or they made
things go well. If the staff is what is making things go well, then the
students are just along for the ride.

It is a powerful teaching method called "Guided Discovery".  All
competent educators know about it and use it when appropriate.  It is
especially appropriate when teaching the patrol method.


author: joedet

subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
from a Tiger Leader
Ok,  so then what does it teach me for my cubbies?
joedet
bip
www.scoutlink.net

"Stephen M. Henning"


subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
"joedet" <[email]> wrote:

It starts with the Tiger level.  It progresses from Tiger to Cub to
Webelos to Boy Scout.  It deals with the basics of each level.  The main
thing you get out of Wood Badge is not the specific program materials
that are covered in Leader Training, but leadership skills.  Boy
Scouting is primarily a leadership skills program that is designed to
develop citizenship, fitness and character. Wood Badge teaches advanced
leadership skills in a Scouting environment for Scouting leaders in all
programs.  The skills learned are valuable in all of life, Tiger Cubs,
Cubs, Webelos, Boy Scouts, Venturing, Learning for Life, the work place,
the community, etc.  They are leadership skills, not Scout skills.
Scout skills are used as a method in the course.


author: Fred Goodwin, CMA

subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
"joedet" <[email]> wrote in news:3ec5866b$[email]:

I guess I'll take the contrarian position.

I just attended Wood Badge (SR552).  Although I generally take the
position that *any* training is beneficial (I attended WLOT as a Tiger
leader!), I cannot say WB for the 21st Century is of any great benefit to
Cub Scout leaders.

The course is really designed so that adult leaders can teach leadership
skills to the boys in their Boy Scout Troops.  I don't see how that
translates into a Cub Scout setting; Packs are not "boy-led" or "boy-run",
after all.

I'm told this course took the best of the old WB course for Boy Scout
leaders and the old WB for Cub Scout trainers.  I don't know what the old
Cub Scout WB taught, but I do know it was designed specifically for Cub
Scout district training types, *NOT* for Cub Scout leaders in general
(and because of that, it was next to impossible to get a slot in the
old course if you were justa run-of-the-mill Cub leader).

Given that pedigree, it isn't clear to me that the new course is aimed at
an audience of Cub Scout leaders, either.


subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
Well...
I used to be a...Bear...
I also used to be a Cubmaster and I believe that the leadership and
management skills taught in Wood Badge are very effective tools for running
a successful Pack.  There is nothing like a well oiled machine, but to see a
Pack being run helter skelter is not a good thing.  My course had many Cub
Scouters and they seemed to get alot out of the program.  The BSA uses the
same models used in corporate management training experiences to effectively
train it's adult leaders to train it's boy leaders.  Even a Wolf Den needs a
good boy leader.  That's the denner program.

If you think that Wood Badge is just for Scouts, then you need to remember
that the ultimate goal is to get the boys past the Cub Scout stage and into
a Troop.  There is where the boys become mature enough to take on the
responsibilities of being led and being leaders.

IMHO

Matt Flanagan
Troop 634

"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns937EF16718193fg8877@24.28.95.158...


subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
I posted the original question and have decided to take the course.
Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to send me their
opinions.

I now have two additional questions:

1. There appears to be a strong difference between "old Wood Badge"
and "Wood Badge for the 21st Century."  Does anyone know why the
program was changed?  Has the BSA done any follow-up studies to see if
the current course has produced better results?

2. Is there anything I can do to prepare for Wood Badge to maximize my
experience?

Thanks again,

Joe Nikoleit
ASM Troop 635
Dan Beard Council
Joel R. Nikoleit
-----
Anyone who believes a better day dawns when lawyers
are eliminated bears the burden of explaining who
will take their place. Who will protect the poor, the
injured, the victims of negligence, the victims of
racial discrimination and the victims of racial
violence? - John J. Curtin Jr.


subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
"Matt" <[email]> wrote in news:[email]:

Oh, I agree completely -- but I don't think that was the point of the
course.  I don't think they were trying to make *us* better at running
units, but instead, they were trying to show us how we can help *the boys*
run better units (i.e., become better leaders).  I just don't see how Cub
Scouts has the opportunities to do that, insofar as Packs are not boy-led,
unlike Boy Scout Troops.

No doubt, but my experience has been that the denner rotates every few
weeks -- is that really enough time for the boy to learn any meaningful
leadership skills?

You know, there was a *reason* we did a crossover from Cub Scouts to Boy
Scouts on the first day.  There's a *reason* we were in patrols for six
days, rather than dens.  From day one, the program used the terminology
and methods of Boy Scouting, not Cub Scouting.


subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
Good choice Joel.

First to prepare yourself, you'll need to start a list of "ticket" items.
In old Wood Badge I believe there were 9 requried.  3 goal for
District/Council, 3 for Troop/Unit, and 3 for self/family.  Now there are 5
required from any or all of the above.  The goals should be attainable and
verifiable.  Talk to the Scoutmaster of your troop so see what is needed.
Maybe taking additional training (some HAT courses), maybe teaching a troop
level JLT for the boys.  Talk to your District Exec or District Training
Chairman to see what you can help with there.  Be prepared to sing sing sing
and have a fantastic time.  Before hand, it might be usefull to read the
Scoutmasters Handbook, the Committee Handbook and the Boy Scout Handbook.
These are the core materials used for developing the course and will help
you better understand the Aims and Methods of Scouting.

On the change of program issue, I've been told by my Scoutmaster (who's a 3
beader) that the original model worked but he's not sure what the new model
is.  In a nutshell, the Wood Badge for the 21st Century is modeled after
Corporate team building adventures.  For the incredibly low price you're
offered a chance to take the same management organizational skills and
leadership training offered to corporate clients throughout the free world
for 10 x the price.  This is indeed a fantastic experience.  I know you'll
be glad you took it.

Good luck on your ticket and have a great time.

Matt Flanagan
Troop 634
I used to be a Bear

"Joel Nikoleit" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
Joel Nikoleit <[email]> wrote:

There is no single new Wood Badge.  There were series of new Wood Badges
including ones at Philmont and Sea Base.  Also, it was field tested on
professional Scouters.  The syllabus was in a constant state of flux as
follow-up studies were made and refinements made.  The reason Wood Badge
changed is because it is a leadership development course and there are
many new leadership training techniques and new teaching methods. The
new Wood Badge takes advantage of these.  Also, it puts the student in
the role of a Scout starting out in Tigers and ending up in Venturing.
You will be experiencing Scouting from the youth perspective.  The staff
will be taking the role of adult leaders.  The staff starts preparing
over a year in advance. A lot of preparation is made for the course.
What may look like poor planning is done on purpose and will make sense
at the end of the course.

Get plenty of sleep.  Get your uniform(s) in good shape.  Be ready to
meet many new people who you may stay in touch with the rest of your
life.  Wood Badge is that kind of an experience.

Don't try to find out what will happen because not knowing what will
happen is part of the course.  There will be many things which you won't
understand until the end of the course.  It is planned that way.  Just
relax, enjoy and PARTICIPATE.  Try to budget your time so you can get
some sleep.

There are no grades, but students are evaluated for their potential to
be recommended to be on staff of a future Wood Badge course.  You can
only get a good recommendation if you participate and roll with the
punches.


subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
Hey Fred,

I think I see where you're coming from.  I believe, because I don't honestly
know, the reason we're hurried into Scouts is because that's were the meat
and potatos of the program are taught.  Cubs teach boys how to act as a
unit, it inspires team building and also works at getting the parents in the
right frame of mind.  I liken the quickness for my own eagerness to get my
son old enough to get out of Cubs and into Scouts.  That was my goal.. I
don't ever think I said to myself that I want my son to be a Cub Scout.  I
always wanted him to be a Boy Scout.  Probably based on my own experiences
and rememberances of my youth.  You know how fathers sometimes (always) try
to re-live thier youth through thier kids.  It's probably that whole
senario.

I believe the importance to Cubbing is the team building and beginning to
start a culture of Scouting Family to get the Cubs and Parents to move onto
Scouts.  The percentages are not as good as they should be in my opinion.
The drop off rate from Wolves to Webelos II is pretty harsh, and the drop
rate from Webelos II to Scouts is pretty rotten too.  That might be the
purpose here, to foster a sense of family and community that makes the boys
and parents want to stay together and experience the life that is Scouting.
Maybe its to excite the Cub leaders to "advertise" Scouting in an
enthusiastic way.  That's what I did in my Pack.  I was so excited to be
moving on it was scary.

Like I said, I don't really know, I'm just spoutin off.  I'm glad to be out
of Cubs.  I loved it.  I made some great friends and so did my son, but I'm
so much happier now where I am.  This is my golden time.  Spending time with
my son and the other boys.  Sharing thier experiences with them.  I get to
attend a 3 boy Eagle Court this Sat. Althought I had little to do with them
getting Eagle, they have all told me that I've been an influence on them.
I'm gonna cry...

Matt Flanagan
Troop 634

"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns9381C9114F437fg8877@24.28.95.190...


subject: Re: Should I go to woodbadge?

text:
"Matt" <[email]> wrote in news:[email]:

Matt, you make some very good points -- and I don't think you're spouting
off!  I can't wait until my own son (now a Bear Cub) graduates to a Troop.
I never made it past the Lion Badge (anybody remember that one?).

So I have my own reasons for wanting my son to make First Class and
ultimately Eagle.  I couldn't hack it -- I hope he does, and I will be
there (like you) every step of the way to help as much as I can.

Oh, and that Wood Badge course was pretty cool too, wasn't it?


author: Boater

subject: Those damn unionized bankers...40,000 to lose jobs

text:
Monday Job Cuts Speech Major Test For Citi's Pandit

CNBC.com
| 15 Nov 2008 | 04:09 PM ET

Citigroup plans to shed about 10 percent of its global workforce, a
person familiar with the matter said Friday, as it tries to restore
profit and quiet mounting criticism of Chief Executive Vikram Pandit.

Citigroup CEO Vikram Pandit plans to make a dramatic statement Monday
morning about major cut backs in the struggling firm's workforce aimed
at calming market fears that the troubled financial services giant isn't
taking the steps necessary to address its many ills, which include a
bloated cost structured that has sent shares of its stock reeling,
people close to the company said.

These people say that as of Saturday afternoon the exact size of the
cuts is not known, but it's expected to be higher than the 23,000 cuts
the firm made as of end of the third quarter to its workforce of
approximately 350,000 worldwide. These people say the overall size of
the cuts that Pandit will announce during a highly anticipated town hall
meeting could add up to close to 40,000 depending on the number of asset
sales, such as spinning off businesses the firm could pull off in
addition to additional planned layoffs.

These people add that during the meeting Pandit will likely cite a
specific number of job cuts and say these cuts will occur a relatively
short period of time, such as over the next five or six months.

"The object here is for people to take notice," said one person close to
the company. "The exact number is still a moving target but it will be
dramatic."

- - -

Good job, Bush.


author: Eisboch

subject: Re: Those damn unionized bankers...40,000 to lose jobs

text:
"Boater" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Bush?  I thought his name was Pandit.

Eisboch


author: Jim

text:
Boater wrote:

All the more reason to be pissed at the unions. Their greed has caused
this whole domino effect of crumbling economy worldwide. Even the
terrorists couldn't have devised a more brilliant plan to destroy us.
Good going labor unions.


text:
On Nov 16, 7:24 am, Jim <[email]> wrote:

what a ridiculous notion. the fact is union workers account for less
than 8% of the US workforce. and the top 5 executives at most large
public companies take home about 10% of company revenue

it's executive greed...as alan greenspan said, not unions, that caused
this. of course you believe in the easter bunny it seems


text:
Boater wrote:

Maybe stretching the truth a little but makes a lot more sense than your
stupid lies.


text:
wf3h wrote:

FloridaJim is one of those non-achievers whose life highpoint was in the
Navy 35 years ago, and though he never did anything of consequence, he
likes to dream that something might have happened, and he might have
become rich. It's the same old crap the Republican "base" has bought
into. The funniest result of the recent elections is that the "base"
thinks it lost because it wasn't conservative enough, and that a "real"
conservative candidate will win over the populace in 2012. These "base"
Republicans haven't figured out they have been played and looted by
corporate America and Wall Street. They're losing their jobs, they're
losing their houses, their retirement has gone up in smoke, but no
matter...they're the Republican base. Hip, hip, hooray.


text:
wf3h wrote:

Hey now. Don't go messing with the Easter Bunny. I am very much against
unions, but there is plenty of blame to spread around. I made that
extreme statment just to counter our resident union hugger.


text:
Jim wrote:

Shouldn't you be busy stalking someone else's wife?

Don't you have a wife of your own? Why are you so obsessed by the wives
of others?

I happened to look up "low-life scum" in the dictionary the other day,
and lo and behold, there you were...in your little shop, repairing a
lawnmower.


text:
Boater wrote:
mortgage and groceries when the paychecks stop rolling in.


text:
Jim wrote:

FloridaJim was turned down for a unionized job as a porti-potti cleaner
when he left the Navy. Too bad, because he trained so hard for that sort
of work when he wore that uniform.


text:
Boater wrote:

You sound a bit rattled this morning. Have a cup of coffee to calm your
nerves.
I see you had a wife many many years ago but I can't find anything that
indicates you are currently legally married. Give me a name and I will
try to connect her/him  to you. We wouldn't want people to think you are
making all this up.


author: BAR

text:
Boater wrote:

Most of us stopped using that line when we got out of the 6th grade.


author: JohnH

text:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:06:54 -0500, Boater <[email]> wrote:

Harry Krause was 'smart' enough to dodge the draft, so he got no chance to
wear the uniform. Of course, looking at a coward in the mirror as he's
popping his pustules couldn't be much fun!


author: Don White

text:
"Jim" <[email]> wrote in message
news:gfp7ak$adi$[email]...

You'd better head back up north.  That Florida sun hasen't been kind to you.


text:
"BAR" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

"when we got out of the 6th grade"??
Was that before or after you joined the pseudo marines?


text:
JohnH wrote:

Indeed, Herring, I felt no compelling need to put on a uniform and head
overseas to shoot Asians who were no threat to me or my country so I
could help prop up a right-wing extremist government that was so bad
that even Buddhist monks were killing themselves over its excesses.

But I didn't "dodge" the draft. I simply took advantage of a better offer.

So, tell us, Herring...how many little Asian guys trying to get the Ugly
Americans out of their country did you kill?


text:
"Don White" <[email]> wrote in message
news:492033d0$0$5473$[email]...
BTW   make that *hasn't*


text:
Don White wrote:

I was hoping to get FloridaJim a spot at the Florida State Hospital that
serves his county. It would have been a step up from the Addled Old
Veterans Home where he was headed.


text:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:54:51 -0500, Boater <[email]> wrote:

I undoubtedly killed far fewer than your hero, Kerry, who got all the
medals. Remember?

Harry, quit trying to hide behind your college degree. Answer the serious
question: Does it help with pustule popping?

Krausii Liesallthetime Marylandus"...you gotta love it!


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: "What it's like to lick my excrement off of another man's genitals"sayth Robeson

text:
Mark Morgan wrote:
a forger of course but as I said if you keep up your lies abotu YOUR
fuck up steve your word will be be spread further and further over the
net and not even by ME


subject: More Morkie Mularkie

text:
[email] wrote:

     I haven't, Morkie.

Steve, K4YZ


subject: Morkie Run Amok

text:
[email] wrote:

     Nope.    The truth is that you continue your lying from 1998,
"Colonel".

    The truth is you're misquoting me.

    The truth is you have a poor comprehension of simple English...Even
when YOU keep requoting the very words that prove you an idiot over and
over.....

     The truth is you're a welfare abusing, miseducated, sexually
deviant lying fool.

     See...Not a lie in it.

    Nope.

    You've misquoted me, Morkie.

    Why are you AFRAID to quote the ENTIRE sentence, Morkie...?!?!

    Wait...let ME tell YOU...You FINALLY figured out that by doing so
you were PROVING that you WERE lying all along and that if you kept it
up, you'd look idiotic.

     Oooops...Too late!

     First you tried to quote me out of context and looked foolish
doing it.

     Then you started quoting the ENTIRE passage, not realising that in
doing so you were providing the very evidence that you were indeed
lying.

     NOW you've gone back to misquoting me hoping no one will see the
difference.

     TOO LATE AGAIN!

     Idiot.

Steve, K4YZ


subject: Re: you want it to stop it is in YOUR power but no steve contiues to lie  "What it's like to lick my excrement off of another man's genitals"sayth Robeson

text:
On 7 Sep 2006 10:48:21 -0700, "K4YZ" <[email]> wrote:

stop lying

"What it's like to lick my excrement off of another man's
genitals"sayth Robeson
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/


text:
On 7 Sep 2006 10:49:05 -0700, "K4YZ" <[email]> wrote:

sstop you stalking and deal with YOU lying that I have had sex with
you
"What it's like to lick my excrement off of another man's
genitals"sayth Robeson
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/


subject: Re: The Truth is that stev keeps confessing to being homo

text:
On 7 Sep 2006 12:50:48 -0700, "an_old_friend" <[email]>
wrote:

and agin you do not answer
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/


subject: cber vandalism

text:
On 13 Dec 2006 14:56:14 -0800, "K4YZ" <[email]> wrote:

yes you have

http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/


text:
On 14 Dec 2006 03:19:30 -0800, "K4YZ" <[email]> wrote:

Morkie, I will conceed that you know two things that I will never
know...What it's like to lick my excrement off of another man's
genitals, and the going welfare rates in Michigan. steve goes claiming
othermen eat his shit
stop the lying stop the vandalism and stop the bull at this point my
server say you have post 8o plus itme titled with shit or a synoym in
the title

stop lying syaing I eat your shit

stop lying about being miiss quoted
get a life and get help since you are clearly obessed with staking a
man sexualy

the truth I trick you in 1998 when you thrented to MURDER me

stop this whining and face facts you are the one that is sick with
your obesstion for shit

the ruth is you are truly MAD robeson get help
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/


text:
On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:09:48 -0400, [email] wrote:

stop lying about not posting that I have eatn your shit
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/


text:
On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:09:48 -0400, [email] wrote:

"one useless man is disgrace 2 become a law firm 3 or more become a congress"
adams

woghger you are a Congress all in your own head

http://khkb9rqz.blogspot.com

Given Dloyds interest in me I m opening a furom for real
comment about his post here
http://dloydatkb9rqz.blogspot.com/


text:
On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:09:48 -0400, [email] wrote:

"one useless man is disgrace 2 become a law firm 3 or more become a congress"
adams

woger you are a Congress all in your own head

http://kb9rqz.bravejournal.com/

G


author: Mark Morgan

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Wehn was teh lasttime you did lick it off?


subject: Re keep puncing for taht hole in teh middle marqueer morgan

text:
1) I was daft into the  Army
 2) I is a member of the Chemcal Cops
 3) The military wont let me retire.
 4) I dosn't serve under the name 'Mark Morgan but that's okay  teh FBI,
DOD, and CIA have all told me I cando it you two loosers
5) I is on-the-lam from stalking former marines and fatal attraction four
ex-shemale wife
 6) I was recently, paying $5/hr. to access my ISP
 7) I has a 248 IQ, but can't figure out how to use a spel cheker not my
porlbem it yours.
 8) I is a bi-sexual  Pagan male ham who like to bspanked an sloid waste
 9) I can't find any action on the military base in Central IL, so I hav to
ask people on teh USENET.
 10) I punce
 www.ipunce.blogspot.com

he and she blogs
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/

 http://kd8ctl.blogspot.com


subject: more ot shit

text:
On Wed, 9 May 2007 14:41:36 -0400, "an_old_freind"
<[email]> wrote:

more ot shit

"one useless man is disgrace 2 become a law firm 3 or more become a congress"
adams

woghger you are a Congress all in your own head

http://khkb9rqz.blogspot.com

Given Dloyds interest in me I m opening a furom for real
comment about his post here
http://dloydatkb9rqz.blogspot.com/


author: Rick Yang

subject: Playstation: when

text:
I heard that Sony is releasing Playstation in Japan around Christmas...
Will that be the same date for U.S. as well????  I also learned that they
are releasing 27 games at the same time their machine will be out...

						[email]


subject: Re: Playstation: when

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Rick Yang) writes:

   I heard that Sony is releasing Playstation in Japan around Christmas...
   Will that be the same date for U.S. as well????  I also learned that they
   are releasing 27 games at the same time their machine will be out...

September`94 in the US and Europe. Not many games will be available this
Christmas though.

				Alex


author: Andy Fitter

subject: Re: Playstation: when

text:
In article <[email]> [email] "Rick Yang" writes:

*
* I heard that Sony is releasing Playstation in Japan around Christmas...
* Will that be the same date for U.S. as well????  I also learned that they
* are releasing 27 games at the same time their machine will be out...
*
*                                                 [email]
*

November in Japan, but not until next summer in US and Europe, but don't
worry, there will be plenty of software, with at least the 27 titles you
mentioned.

Andy.


author: Paul Mooser

subject: Re: Playstation: when (and where!)

text:
[email] (A.J.Amsel) writes:

Any ideas what vendors are planning to carry it?


subject: Re: Playstation: when

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (A.J.Amsel) writes:

/   In article <[email]> [email] (Rick Yang) writes:

/      I heard that Sony is releasing Playstation in Japan around Christmas...
/      Will that be the same date for U.S. as well????  I also learned that they
/      are releasing 27 games at the same time their machine will be out...

/   September`94 in the US and Europe. Not many games will be available this
/   Christmas though.
/
/				   Alex

That is the 2nd time this week that my brain has gone. I meant
1995! Thanks Rick Yang.....

				Alex


subject: Re: Playstation: when (and where!)

text:
In article <2ua8p0$[email]> [email] (Paul Mooser) writes:

/   [email] (A.J.Amsel) writes:

/   >September`94 in the US and Europe. Not many games will be available this
/   >Christmas though.

/   Any ideas what vendors are planning to carry it?

September 95 (sorry again) and I have no idea who will carry it in the US, but
in the UK Sony have their own shops all over the place so I would presume
they would be sold there at least.

Has anyone got any idea if I can use an imported PS-X on a 1084 monior, a
Microvitec 1942(or whatever their new Amiga one is) monitor, or is there
a vague possibility of shoving an Amiga tv modulator on it and using it
with a tv. I know, I know, probably not since otherwise people would have
done it with other consoles.

I just hope the PS-X gets playable games, not just good gfx. Ridge Racer
is fun at the arcade, but it is a very limited game really. Unless you could
have it two player of course......

Also, can you use joysticks in most consoles? I HATE those stupid pads.....

				Alex


author: Martin Kift

subject: Re: Playstation: when

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Andy Fitter) writes:

Woo, somebody from Sony speaks 8)

But seriously, I had heard that Sony ws due to announce specs and prices for
the PSX around now. Have they already been released, or are they due soon, and
if so, when??? People are getting impatient around here 8)

P.S. Drop us a hint, will it be scart compatible (or svhs), so I can play it
on my pal television (which syncs to ntsc signals). Thanks


author: Jay Honeck

subject: Re: alexis park inn and aviation videos

text:
Dang!   I can't believe the wings didn't snap off.

How did he stop it?  I would think pulling back (to load up the wings)
would be your only hope?


author: Jose

subject: Re: alexis park inn and aviation videos

text:
IT appears that it was a test flight, and the pilot was transmitting his
observations in German.  I couldn't understand most of it, but it seemed
he started out saying "fifty" ("fumfzig") and ended with "thirty"
("dreizig"), with commentary in the middle.  I therefore speculate that
the test was to show an airspeed regime in which there was a flutter
problem.

Glider wings are pretty strong.  I've never flown one, but I understand
that they hit some pretty strong gusts and pull some tight turns in an
effort to remain in the air on the force of rising or blowing air alone.

Jose


author: john smith

subject: Re: alexis park inn and aviation videos

text:
In article <sHjVf.461$[email]>,
 Jose <[email]> wrote:

I thought I heard the word "hunert" (hundred) before funfzig and dreisig.


author: Bosko Durango

subject: Waht does robby think of this noise?

text:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BBNUJ80&show_article=1
Interracial couple denied marriage license in La. Oct 15 04:00 PM
US/Eastern
HAMMOND, La. (AP) - A Louisiana justice of the peace said he refused to
issue a marriage license to an interracial couple out of concern for any
children the couple might have.
Keith Bardwell, justice of the peace in Tangipahoa Parish, says it is
his experience that most interracial marriages do not last long.
Neither Bardwell nor the couple immediately returned phone calls from
The Associated Press. But Bardwell told the Daily Star of Hammond that
he was not a racist.
"I do ceremonies for black couples right here in my house," Bardwell
said. "My main concern is for the children."
Bardwell said he has discussed the topic with blacks and whites, along
with witnessing some interracial marriages. He came to the conclusion
that most of black society does not readily accept offspring of such
relationships, and neither does white society, he said.
"I don't do interracial marriages because I don't want to put children
in a situation they didn't bring on themselves," Bardwell said. "In my
heart, I feel the children will later suffer."
If he does an interracial marriage for one couple, he must do the same
for all, he said.
"I try to treat everyone equally," he said.
Thirty-year-old Beth Humphrey and 32-year-old Terence McKay, both of
Hammond, say they will consult the U.S. Justice Department about filing
a discrimination complaint.
Humphrey told the newspaper she called Bardwell on Oct. 6 to inquire
about getting a marriage license signed. She says Bardwell's wife told
her that Bardwell will not sign marriage licenses for interracial
couples.
"It is really astonishing and disappointing to see this come up in
2009," said American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana attorney Katie
Schwartzman. "The Supreme Court ruled as far back as 1963 that the
government cannot tell people who they can and cannot marry."
The ACLU was preparing a letter for the Louisiana Supreme Court, which
oversees the state justices of the peace, asking them to investigate
Bardwell and see if they can remove him from office, Schwartzman said.
"He knew he was breaking the law, but continued to do it," Schwartzman
said.
According to the clerk of court's office, application for a marriage
license must be made three days before the ceremony because there is a
72-hour waiting period. The applicants are asked if they have previously
been married. If so, they must show how the marriage ended, such as
divorce.
Other than that, all they need is a birth certificate and Social
Security card.
The license fee is $35, and the license must be signed by a Louisiana
minister, justice of the peace or judge. The original is returned to the
clerk's office.
Copyright 2009 The Associated Press.


subject: Re: Waht does robby think of this noise?

text:
On Oct 15, 10:22 pm, rob <[email]> wrote:

This man has no business holding his present position.  It is not for
him to say whether otherwise legally qualified people should or should
not marry.


author: robert

text:
On Oct 16, 10:24 am, "[email]" <[email]> wrote:

i agree!


author: Clint

subject: Re: Yarmouth vs. Halifax (Nova Scotia)

text:
I'll give you a second opinion on that area.  Halifax is definitely the
place to stay. Yarmouth is across the harbour and is not that interesting.
The waterfront in Halifax is quite nice during the summers.  The seafood is
just out of this world - you will notice a difference.

Clint


author: MLD

subject: Re: Yarmouth vs. Halifax (Nova Scotia)

text:
"Wendy" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
news:<f7iLc.19645$[email]>...

snip>>

. The ferry, car

Heading up to Halifax next Wed. I'm also from Mass.  I've been there a
number of times and always drive, takes about 12 hrs but it's a relatively
easy drive; good roads little traffic..  Can't see spending all that money
on a ferry and then having to drive 300 miles to get to Halifax.  Been to
Yarmouth and as has been noted--don't bother.  There are lots of more
interesting places within an hours drive, and within Halifax , that would be
better use of your limited time.  I must confess, long, long ago, I spent a
great deal of time in Halifax--5 yrs going to school there--before it became
a big city and Hollis street was the place that all the sailors went to <g>.
MLD


subject: Re: Yarmouth vs. Halifax (Nova Scotia)

text:
"Clint" <[email]> wrote:

Think you are confusing YarMOUTH with DartMOUTH....


subject: Re: Yarmouth vs. Halifax (Nova Scotia)

text:
Oops, you are right.  Dartmouth is across from Halifax while Yarmouth is
near the bottom of Nova Scotia.  I haven't been to Yarmouth but it's
probably nice as most regions of NS are.  I've been to Halifax a few times.
If only you could split your time between the two places like a few days
here and there to get the variety.  Places in the Maritimes are small enough
that you don't have to spend a lot of time in any one place to really enjoy
it.  One thing I did hear is that one of the best places to go in Nova
Scotia if you have the time is Cape Breton Island up north.

Clint


author: Bill Pittman

subject: Re: Yarmouth vs. Halifax (Nova Scotia)

text:
In article <zz5Oc.10891$[email]>,
 "Clint" <[email]> wrote:

Bottom? What bottom? It's at the west end.


subject: Re: Yarmouth vs. Halifax (Nova Scotia)

text:
Bill Pittman <[email]> wrote:

It is technically at the bottom...it is both close to being both the most
southern and western point in the province.


author: Mike

subject: into the carboy. . . .

text:
Ok, things are going pretty well now. I siphoned the mead out of the
primary and into the carboy last night with a minimum of
spilling/difficulty. I just wanted to check in to find a few things
out. I left behind a good amount of sediment and dark stuff at the
bottom of the primary b/c I'd rather have a nice, clear mead than a
super strong one. Thus, I had a lot of space at the tope of my
5-gallon carboy when I finished, and I topped it off with pure spring
water-- close to a gallon. Will this dilute the mead a whole helluva
lot? I didn't think I had an option.

    Also, I see a constant stream of bubbles coming up to the surface
again, so I know it's still fermenting, but I don't hear any noise
from the airlock. Does this signal weak bubbling? I switched the mead
over after 8 days, so I kinda expected it to have slowed down by this
point.

   Thanks for helping a newbie.


author: Greg Cook

subject: Re: into the carboy. . . .

text:
On 2/9/02 1:42 PM, in article
[email], "Mike"
<[email]> wrote:

1 gallon is a lot for topping up. Assuming a 5 gallon carboy, you have
diluted your mead by 1/5. If your final alcohol would have been 12%, this
would drop to ~9.5%. The flavor would also be diluted.

You might want to invest in a variety of sizes of carboys. For example, I
have 6.5, 6, 5, 3, and 1 gallons on hand as well as several smaller plastic
and glass bottles so that I can always have it topped up.

Another thing you can do is to start with a larger size batch than will fit
in your carboy so you can have it full when you rack. I keep extra for
topping up in smaller bottles.

If you find yourself in this same situation, another alternative would be to
top up with water AND honey that is the same gravity as your mead started
with. This will then ferment out and you will end up with an undiluted
product. Or top up with another finished mead, or commercial wine that is
similar or mild flavored.

For this batch, you can always feed it more honey to try to make up for the
1 gallon loss.

----Greg
[email]
http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/instruct/grcook/wine/


author: Oberon

subject: into the carboy. . . .

text:
"Mike" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
[snipped]

Mike,

Greg has offered an excellent suggestion, that you obtain several carboys of
varying sizes, and this will help you control the amount of headspace when
you rack.  I, like Greg, have carboys from 1qt through 6.5 gallons.
But by thinking about why it's good to control headspace, you can come up
with some other alternatives.  You want minimal headspace in order to reduce
the O2 contact of your mead, and reduce the amount of oxidation that can
occur.  Thus, if your mead is working, it'll be producing CO2, and will be
protected from oxidation.  On first racking, if I have excessive headspace
that I can't control wby breaking the mead into several containers, I'll mix
up a half cup of honey and a few cups of water, boil it for 5 minutes, let
it cool, and add that to the mead.  This gives the yeast something to work
on and it'll fill the headspace with CO2.

8 days is not excessive.  Depending on your pitching rate and yeast type,
nutrient level, acid level, and probably several other factors, your mead
can either be done or barely beginning at this point.
And you might be seeing dissolved CO2 leaving solution, which often happens
after racking.  If it's still 'working' after a day, then you know that you
racked too soon, and could have left it to finish in the primary before
racking.  A hydrometer is the best tool for determining the right time to
rack.  Once you think it's done, check the SG over the next few days.  If it
dosen't change, or changes only by thousandths, then it's time to rack.
You might also want to check the seal of your stopper, since your airlock
should be active if your mead is bubbling as you describe.


author: Trent D. Sanders

subject: Looing for a rigging vise.

text:
Looking for a rigging vise for rigging/splicing wire rope.  Anyone
know where to get one?

Thanks,
Trent Sanders
S/V Cimba
Marina Del Rey
Southern California


subject: Re: Looing for a rigging vise.

text:
Thanks for help,,,, found several vises at the sites mentioned.
But,,,,,,, they're all $600 to $1,000 !  Reminds me of the "Peanuts"
cartoon where Charlie Brown has a lemonade stand,,,, "Lemonade $35 a
cup"  and tells Lucy "Yeah, but all I have to do is sell one!"

[email] (Trent D. Sanders) wrote in message news:<[email]>...


author: Steve

subject: Re: Looing for a rigging vise.

text:
Most rigging vises that I have encountered were for ships rigging and very
large. Generally set up on a dedicated bench in the rigging shop..

I don't ever remember seeing a rigging vise for small wire (1/4")..

The rigging vise is intended, primarily, to help form the wire around the
thimble, or form it into an eye in a 'soft eye'.  The two side screws force
the wire into a loop while the lower forces the wire up into the thimble..

I have done spliced with 3 pair of vise grips.. Place the first pair in a
bench vise, clamping onto the body. Place the thimble and wire into this
vise grip (only enough pressure to hold them, don't allow it to scar the
wire). Bent the wire around the thimble on either side and secure with small
vise grips on either side.

To avoid wire damage from the vise grips, I wrap the jaws with duct tape..
If I were doing this frequently, I would grind the jaws down to remove the
shape teeth or put 'soft jaws' in them..


author: Glenn Ashmore

subject: Re: Looing for a rigging vise.

text:
Brion Toss sells one but brace yourself.  It sells for $750!

Trent D. Sanders wrote:


subject: Re: Looing for a rigging vise.

text:
Trent D. Sanders wrote:

That's just it.  They probably don't sell more than 2 or 3 a year.  I
was looking at the one on Brian's site last night and tried to figure
what it would take to make one with the hand wheels, acme screws and
metal stock.  I figured about $75 in materials if I didn't get fancy
with the hand wheels.  Then probably 40 to 50 hours of labor counting
the castings and machine work.  If I were making 15 or 20 I could cut
the time by 80% but building one or two at a time gets really expensive.
   Also the cost drives the quality and vice versa.  Someone spending a
grand for a vise would not be happy with a weld up.

Like I said, wire rope splicing is an arcane art.  The rigging shops
willing to do it charge out the a**.


author: Rufus

subject: Re: Looing for a rigging vise.

text:
Some links: (search "vise" or "rigging vise" or such to locate on large
pages)

http://www.nwboatschool.org/workshops/rigging&rope.htm
http://www.porttownsendfoundry.com/id62.htm
http://toplicht.de/ (reported, they regularly export...)
http://www.maritimechain.com/supply/cat/sc_subcat.cfm?sec=8
http://wireropeexchange.com/browse_category.cfm?categoryID=56

Brion Toss may also have included a description in his book sufficient
to make you own...

Rufus


author: Michael Porter

subject: Re: Looing for a rigging vise.

text:
One reason splicing is a lost aart is that stainless really does not
splice well -- it's too slippery.  Also most yachts use small enough
sizes (S/S is also very strong) that splicing would require tiny
fingers and a marlinspike the size of a needle.

Glenn Ashmore <[email]> wrote:

Michael Porter   Naval Architect / Boatbuilder
[email]
www.mp-marine.com


subject: Re: Looing for a rigging vise.

text:
There is an illustration of a wire splicing vise in Brian's book.  It
looks like it would not be to hard to make in a machine shop but not
something you would want to do with a hack saw and a drill press.
Splicing wire rope is a disapearing art and an activity for masochist.
    Except in traditional boat rigging splicing has been replaced by
swages and cone vise fittings like Norseman and Staloks.

Rufus wrote:


author: Robert F. Rice

subject: Re: Art Shell Racist!!!

text:
In a previous article, [email] (Melissa D.) says:

     Yeah,ESPN reports that he said something along the lines,"you're
just another bad white QB,like Jay Schroeder."


author: Marlon Shows

subject: Re: Art Shell Racist!!!

text:
In article <38jmrp$[email]>, [email] (Robert F. Rice) writes:
|>
|> In a previous article, [email] (Melissa D.) says:
|>
|> >It recently came out that during their exchange, Shell made a racial
|> >slur. Did anyone else hear that? If it's true, and that were a white
|> >coach, he'd be forced to leave. No justice!
|> >
|>
|>      Yeah,ESPN reports that he said something along the lines,"you're
|> just another bad white QB,like Jay Schroeder."

Let's examine the phrase:

Bad :  Hoss ain't been to good
White:  Isn't Hoss?
QB :   last time he checked

I don't really see any racism in this statement.  All of these statements are
true.  Granted, if he said, "Your just a slow white boy who can't throw" or
something like that, then we would have a different scenario?


author: Keith Glasson

subject: Re: Art Shell Racist!!!

text:
Robert F. Rice ([email]) wrote:

:      Yeah,ESPN reports that he said something along the lines,"you're
: just another bad white QB,like Jay Schroeder."

	That's really cold, comparing him to Shroeder. Any racial
	remark pales in comparasion.

	-keith


author: Kevin Napolitano

subject: Re: Art Shell Racist!!!

text:
Marlon wrote:
:|>      Yeah,ESPN reports that he said something along the
:lines,"you're
:|> just another bad white QB,like Jay Schroeder."
:
:
:Let's examine the phrase:
:
:Bad :  Hoss ain't been to good
:White:  Isn't Hoss?
:QB :   last time he checked
:
:
:
:I don't really see any racism in this statement.  All of these
:statements are
:true.  Granted, if he said, "Your just a slow white boy who can't
:throw" or
:something like that, then we would have a different scenario?

Let's rephrase this: "You're just another bad black QB, like
Andre Ware." Yeah, you are right, no racism here! Until
people stop leaving out unnecessary adjectives, like black
and white, there will be this racism problem. Black or white
has nothing to do with a QB's performance. Of course the
real insult in the above statements is being compared
to Jay Shroeder and Andre Ware. :)

kevin

Marlon Shows


author: Stephen Y. Chang

subject: Re: Art Shell Racist!!!

text:
Marlon Shows ([email]) wrote:
: Let's examine the phrase:

: Bad :  Hoss ain't been to good
: White:  Isn't Hoss?
: QB :   last time he checked
: I don't really see any racism in this statement.  All of these statements are
: true.  Granted, if he said, "Your just a slow white boy who can't throw" or
: something like that, then we would have a different scenario?

Well, how about if Barry Switzer told Rodney Peete one day, "You're just
another bad black QB"? Switzer would be run out of town, as he should be
if he made such a statement. Sure, what Shell said might have true
components, but there is no reason to bring Hostetler's race into the
issue -- why is that necessary? All that does is generalize the issue and
lump people together using race as the measuring stick, and that's a lot
of what racism is about.

I'm not saying Shell did it, because personally I would be surprised if
he really did say that. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But just because
Hostetler is white doesn't take away the racism from the comment. That's
like saying, "Oh, African-Americans are black so it's okay to call them
nigger, which derives from 'negro'." Is that okay? I would think not and
I would hope that you would agree with me on that.

: --

: Marlon Shows


author: Federico

subject: AKG C535EB question

text:
Hi, how's the AKG C535EB in comparison with the old models? Is it worth
buying?
http://www.akg.com/site/products/powerslave,id,262,pid,262,nodeid,2,_language,EN.html
Scott?
F.


author: Scott Dorsey

subject: Re: AKG C535EB question

text:
Federico <[email]> wrote:

It seems to be fine.  They didn't butcher it like they did the 451.
--scott


author: Benjamin Maas

subject: Re: AKG C535EB question

text:
Great mic- use it for lots of stuff... A bit knarly off axis, but for vocals
it isn't a problem.

--Ben


author: David M. Burnworth

subject: Scooter for sale

text:
Gavin clone.  Must sell.  Pics on Ebay, more with request.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3646302925&category=1300&rd=1

D Burnworth


author: Rock The Diver

subject: Re: Scooter for sale

text:
I'd sell mine for anything I could get for it.  Haven't used it in two or
three years.  Yes, good idea.  List it on eBay.  Make a note - list scooter
on eBay.

"ATT" <[email]> wrote in message
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subject: Re: Scooter for sale

text:
Was hoping to not lose too much money.  If it doesn't sell, it will get used
again in a few years at most.

David
"ATT" <[email]> wrote in message
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subject: Re: Scooter for sale

text:
Not mine.  Sick of lugging the puppy to the water for 45 minutes of run
time.  Can't think of one place I need to go quicker than I can swim.

"David M. Burnworth" <[email]> wrote in message
news:WcuFb.14458$[email]...
used
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3646302925&category=1300&rd=1


subject: Re: Scooter for sale

text:
"Rock The Diver" <[email]> wrote in message
news:LbCFb.1996$[email]...
Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time, but I kinda feel the same way
as you.  The long body is just too heavy for beach useage.  The short body
is useable, but there isn't that much scooter diving here.

David


author: Davina

subject: Eragon by Christopher Paolini

text:
When Eragon finds a polished blue stone in the forest, he thinks it is
the lucky discovery of a poor farm boy; perhaps it will buy his family
meat for the winter. But when the stone brings a dragon hatchling,
Eragon realizes he has stumbled upon a legacy nearly as old as the
Empire itself. Overnight his simple life is shattered, and he is
thrust into a perilous new world of destiny, magic, and power. With
only an ancient sword and the advice of an old storyteller for
guidance, Eragon and the fledgling dragon must navigate the dangerous
terrain and dark enemies of an Empire ruled by a king whose evil knows
no bounds. Can Eragon take up the mantle of the legendary Dragon
Riders? The fate of the Empire may rest in his hands. . . .

Browse an excerpt from this bestselling children's book, reviews,
author bio and interview at:
http://www.bookbrowse.com/index.cfm?page=title&titleID=1284


author: Liz Broadwell

subject: Re: Eragon by Christopher Paolini

text:
I read _Eragon_ a couple of months ago (a bookstore-managing friend lent
me an ARC).  I don't have it in front of me at the moment, but I
remember being interested enough to keep turning the pages.  Nothing
terribly original about the plot or the characters (kid from the sticks
discovering his destiny and making an epic journey into the midst of a
battle between good and evil, assisted by a wise mentor, a telepathic
animal companion, and a shades-of-gray swordsman) but the stock elements
are reasonably well-handled -- the story pays sufficient attention to
the details of character backgrounds and interactions to keep me mildly
interested in what was going to happen to them.  The world-building was
probably the least engaging part of the book for me -- when the Elves
and Dwarves showed up, I could clearly see where Paolini had filed the
serial numbers off, frex.  (I had less trouble with the dragons, which
at least take a slight left turn off the McCaffrey route, although
perhaps paralleling the Lackey highway.)  I'm also not particularly
enthusiastic about the romantic subplot the story appears to be setting
up, which looks altogether too conventional and star-crossed ... and
didn't Tolkien already write this one, like, twice?  On the other hand,
the kid has a decent prose style -- workmanlike, but easy on the ear.
The whole strikes me as surprisingly mature work for a teenager, despite
the EFPisms; I actually missed the fact that he produced it from age
15-18 until after I had finished, at which point I revised my opinion of
the author's talents upward a bit. I don't think _Eragon_ deserves to
set the world on fire, but I'd be inclined to revisit Paolini in a few
years, when he's gotten this trilogy out of his system and (perhaps)
tries something a bit less beholden to his favorite childhood authors.

Peace,
Liz


author: lili today, who knows tomorrow?

subject: Re: Eragon by Christopher Paolini

text:
[email] (Liz Broadwell) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

I think in terms of books written for CHILDREN, you have to admit this
good stuff. My daughter read the LOTR trilogy before we knew they were
making films of them, has read voraciously for years, both aduly and
children's fiction, She thought LOTR was too black and white, good vs
evil, but enjoyed it, nonetheless. She's read such excellent fiction
as Feather Boy, Animal Farm, Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere, The Piano
Tuner, The Illiad, and I could go on listing examples of great works.
Maybe Paolini is still more in touch with our children than we are,
and that's why children appreciate it. It is, after all, written for
them, and I think as long as it's not tripe, I'm all for anything that
will get children reading. Thanks to JK (no sighs please, ha ha) more
children than ever are gobbling up books hungrily. I think this a good
thing.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Eragon by Christopher Paolini

text:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:09:55 +0000 (UTC),
[email] (Liz Broadwell) wrote:
/SNIP/
/snip/

Mm. Maybe it would help to have a name for this sub-genre....

I don't see many mystery reviews complaining of a corpse in the first
chapter, a friend suspected, a denoument in the library.... We've got
terms like 'classic whodunnit', 'house party mystery', etc, to cover
such combinations of stock elements, so the reviewer can go straight to
talking about how well a particular specimen is done.

Rosemary --
http://www.rosemarylake.com
fairy tales online


author: H Schinske

subject: Re: Eragon by Christopher Paolini

text:
[email] wrote:

Say what? Those are fighting words around here! ;-)

No, seriously, if a book is worth writing, for any audience, it's worth writing
really, really well. There is nothing about children that means that we should
be satisfied with inferior writing for them. It may be less *complex* writing,
but there is no need for it to be cliched, imitative, etc. After all, we've
already GOT lots and lots of that stuff to give them!

(The above is not directed towards _Eragon_ specifically, as I haven't yet read
it.)

--Helen


author: Nicholas Young

subject: Sub-genres (Re: Eragon by Christopher Paolini)

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Mm :-) Which sub-genre do you mean - the star-crossed-lovers-romantic-subplot,
the 15-year-old-produces-a-reasonable-first-effort or the Tolkien-derivative?
Off the top of my head, how about RoJu-esque, teen-wonder and TolRipOff
respectively?

I'm sure someone could improve upon the names and no doubt this group can
suggest a lot more of a similar nature.  It would seem useful to have names
for the various categories.

Nicholas.


author: S Wittman

subject: Re: Eragon by Christopher Paolini

text:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:32:12 GMT, [email] wrote:

EFP - extruded fantasy product - is a term already in use in some
circles.

SW