author: Derk Gwen

subject: Re: changing list variable in foreach body

text:
Ralf Fassel <[email]> wrote:
# http://mini.net/tcl/1018 states that
#
#     Occasionally developers are surprised to discover that if list is
#     modified within the confines of the body's code, varname never
#     reflects the change.  This is due to the tcl parser having a fixed
#     copy of the elements of list in memory and not referring to the
#     actual variable during the assignment of values to varname during
#     the loop construct.
#
# Is it future-safe to rely on this behaviour?
#
#   proc do_stuff {ignored} {
#     # change the global ::list
#     set ::list [lreplace $::list end end]
#   }
#
#   set ::list [list 1 2 3]
#   foreach elt $::list {
#     do_stuff $elt
#   }
#   # do_stuff called three times, ::list is now empty

foreach marks the list value as in use. When linsert sees a list value, if it is in
use elsewhere, it makes a copy, modifies and returns that. If linsert sees the value
not in use by anyone else, it modifies the original value.

This comes up in something like
	set x [linsert $x 0 a]
linsert sees its first parameter in use (as the current value of x), and so copies and
modifies it. The set command then replaces the current value of x with the copy. In
this case, the copy serves no purpose, but Tcl lacks the global information to see that.
A trick is to define a proc like
	proc L x {upvar 1 $x X; set copy $X; set X {}; return $copy}
	set x [linsert [L x] 0 a]
At the return from L, x is no longer using the list, so linsert sees no other users,
so it can modify the list immediately rather than making a copy.


author: Michael Schlenker

text:
Ralf Fassel wrote:
As the foreach command takes the values of a list as its argument and
not the name (think linsert and lappend, linsert takes values, lappend
the name), i would consider it safe. (And really don't think the TCT
would approve any TIP to change this). Lappend never ever even sees the
name of the listvariable, so how could it change its behaviour depending
on it?

(It could, if one really wanted to code up and alternative version, with
some trace tricks and stuff, but that wouldn't be foreach).

Michael


author: Ralf Fassel

text:
* Gerald Lester <[email]>
| Yes.

Thanks to all.

R'


author: Jan Rohaan

subject: Re: Help!  Windows 95 Login/Password Problems...

text:
Lowell Tyler wrote:

Lowell,

  if you really want to get rid of the login-screen (I mean if your PC
is acting as a stand-alone system) check under
'Settings'/'Configuration  Screen'/'Network' tab 'Configuration'. If
there is a line 'Client for Microsoft-network' (and after the default
installation of Win95 there is) delete it!
Now the problem should be solved.

Succes.

Jan Rohaan -NL-


author: Gael Trinquart

subject: [sh] an equivalent for the wicked goto ?

text:
I am looking for a equivalent of 'goto' or 'jump' in the Bourne shell.

The reason is that I want to have a unique returning point for each of
my functions. At the moment they are stuffed with many 'returns' and I
can't debug that.

Gael.


author: Logan Shaw

subject: Re: [sh] an equivalent for the wicked goto ?

text:
In article <[email]>,
Gael Trinquart <[email]> wrote:

How is this:

	result=1 ; goto r	# return 1

	 .
	 .
	 .

	result=2 ; goto r	# return 2

	 .
	 .
	 .

	r: return $result

any clearer than this:

	return 1		# return 1

	 .
	 .
	 .

	return 2		# return 2

?

Is that what you're trying to do?

If you really hate multiple exit points, then fix the code so that its
structure doesn't need them.  For example, change this:

	if [ "$x" -gt 2 ]
	then
	    return 0
	fi

	return 1

to this:

	if [ "$x" -gt 2 ]
	then
	    result=0
	else
	    result=1
	fi

	return $result

Hope that helps.

  - Logan


author: Heiner Steven

text:
Gael Trinquart wrote:

There is no "goto" in the Bourne shell.

If your aim is to improve your code, you could post parts of
it to news:comp.unix.shell .

If you cannot see, which "return" terminates the function,
you could try to invoke your script using the following
command:

	$ sh -vx script

or
	$ ksh -vx script

Heiner


author: John Smith

subject: Using a command button to toggle a checkbox

text:
How can I use a transparent command button to change a checkbox?

I have my records set up in a continuous form and I want theuser to be able
to click on the record and have this toggle the "Print" checkbox. the
command button would be set up as transparent and cover the entire record.


author: Bob Quintal

subject: Re: Using a command button to toggle a checkbox

text:
"John Smith" <[email]> wrote in
news:S0Fqg.43407$[email]:

If you're at microsoft.com, you really should know this already.
You use the command buttons onClick event to set the
Forms!FormName!checkboxname.value = _
    	NOT Forms!FormName!checkboxname.value

You can replace Forms!FormName! with me. if the code module is in
the form.


author: [redacted]

text:
John Smith wrote:

You can use code like this...  I'm assuming you have a blnPrint
checkbox on each record (i.e. part of the subform's recordsource).

Note:  this is code in the _sub_form.
Private Sub Form_Click()
    '---toggles the "Print Me" checkbox.  just click on the record
selector.
    Me.blnOK = Not Me.blnOK
End Sub

Then you could filter the report you're printing this data in in the
Open event.  just pass a filter like "[blnOK]=True"  (blnOK is a yes/no
field in my report's recordsource.)

Option Compare Database

'------------------------------------------------------------
' mcrOpenFilteredReport
'
'------------------------------------------------------------
Function mcrOpenFilteredReport()
On Error GoTo mcrOpenFilteredReport_Err

    DoCmd.OpenReport "rptYourReport", acViewPreview, "",
"[blnOK]=True", acNormal

mcrOpenFilteredReport_Exit:
    Exit Function

mcrOpenFilteredReport_Err:
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume mcrOpenFilteredReport_Exit

End Function


author: Emily Hierstein

subject: </form>

text:
Hi,

Anyone know how to eliminate the spacing that browsers insert after a
</form> tag?

Thanks.

:)  emily


author: Al Rider

subject: Re: </form>

text:
I generally use a negative value top margin for the block element just
below it.

And generally specify the declaration in percent units for the best
browser compatibility.

Emily Hierstein wrote:


subject: Re: </form>

text:
Al,

Thanks for the idea. The only problem for me is that the form is in a right
column of a table. The layout gets messy when I tried.

I'll file it away in my bag o' tricks though.

Any other ideas?

:)  emily


author: Johannes Koch

subject: Re: </form>

text:
Emily Hierstein schrieb:

form {
  margin: 0;
}

Works in (all Win) Netscape > 4.x, IE >= 5, Opera (at least, didn't
check 3.6 or 4) >= 5.
See http://pixels.pixelpark.com/~koch/browser_test/form.html


subject: Re: </form>

text:
Eric Halley schrieb:

What did I write? Works in (all Win) Netscape > 4.x, ...
                                             ^^^


author: Dr. Peter Kittel

subject: Re: Amiga International page.made with FRONT PAGE!?!?!?

text:
In article <01bc934d$e5acc040$090000c0@pc-david> "David Virebayre" <[email]> writes:

Well, cough, but I share his experience: I also have tried a few of these
editors and was not pleased, so I prefer a text editor. So we are already
two, and this is not yet the end of this list, I feel.


author: Hernando Patino

subject: VO2ADO, mySQL trapping connection error

text:
Providing right username and password I am able to establish a connection
with mySQL 4.1. But if provide a wrong password (for user root for example),
the following function cannot trap the error.  Instead I got a system error.
What's wrong with this code?  Why the error (wrong password) is not
trapped?:

FUNCTION OpenConnection AS AdoConnection
 LOCAL sError AS STRING
 LOCAL oConn AS AdoConnection
 LOCAL uError AS USUAL
 LOCAL cbErr AS CODEBLOCK

 oMensaje := Mensaje{}
 BEGIN SEQUENCE
  oConn := AdoConnection{}
  oConn:ConnectionTimeout := 5
  oConn:ConnectionString := "Provider=MSDASQL;Data Source=chance;User Id=" +
Trim(cUserName) + ";Password=" + Trim(cPassWord) + ";"
  oConn:CursorLocation := adUseClient
 RECOVER USING uError
  ? "Error: "+uError:description
 END
 BEGIN SEQUENCE
  oConn:Open(NIL,NIL,NIL,NIL)  // Error is not trapped in or after this line
 RECOVER USING uError
  ?"Error: "+uError:description
   END
 IF oConn:State <> adStateOpen
  // Error occurred
  IF oConn:Errors:Count > 0
   // Ado Error
   sError := oConn:Errors:[Item,0]:Description
  ELSEIF IsInstanceOfUsual(uError, #Error)
   sError := uError:Description
  ELSE
   sError := "Unknown error"
  END IF
  ? :="Error when making connection: " + sError
   ENDIF
 ErrorBlock(cbErr)
 RETURN oConn


author: Bob Arnold

subject: Re: VO2ADO, mySQL trapping connection error

text:
I haven't done SQL but I'm on-line <g> ...

How does cPassWord get its value?  And does that point vary, in any way,
when the password entered is either valid or not?

Bob

"Hernando Patino" <hernando.patino@MONSERAT{remove}.com> wrote in message
news:[email]...
example),
error.
+
line


text:
cPassword is a global variable that is assigned from a singlelinedit text
value.
cPassword := oDC_password:CurrentText

In this case the password is not yet assigned.  That means that user 'root'
connects without providing a password (default installation of mySQL).  Of
course I will provide a valid password, but I am just testing VO2ADO.  I was
expecting from VO2ADO or VO to trap the error, but I cannot get it to work.

This works:
oConn:ConnectionString := "Provider=MSDASQL;Data Source=chance;User
Id=root;Password=;"

But this does not work

oConn:ConnectionString := "Provider=MSDASQL;Data Source=chance;User Id=" +
Trim(cUserName) + ";Password=" + Trim(cPassWord) + ";"


text:
Unless (you next replied) it (or some near-relation of it) is "not yet
assigned".

'root'
was
work.

If cPassWord has not been assigned a value using the SingleLineEdit it is
either a NULL_STRING (if the global variable is strongly-typed) or NIL (if
it isn't).

If it's NIL, perhaps Trim() is getting confused.

HTH
Bob


author: Malcolm Gray

text:
Hernando Patino wrote:

Going back over the whole thread I think I see the problem.
VO2ADO is trapping the error and passing it to the current
error handler to ask it what to do with it, as it does not know what
you want.

For ADO code we use the following error handler:

function jsadoError(oe as usual,oBlock as codeblock) as usual
   local oError as Error
   local cLineInfo as string
   if IsInstanceOfUsual(oe,#Error)
      oError:=oE
      if oError:SubSystem=="Vo2Ado"
         cLineInfo:=CHRNEWLINE+str(procline(1),4)+" :
"+procname(1)+CHRNEWLINE
         cLineInfo+=str(procline(2),4)+" : "+procname(2)+CHRNEWLINE
         oError:Description+=cLineInfo
         _break(oe)
      else
         return Eval(oBLock,oe)
      endif
   else
      return Eval(oBLock,oe)
   endif

and set it with
      oBlock:=ErrorBlock({|oe| jsadoError(oe,oBlock)})


text:
Bob

The problem is not assigning a value to the global variable.  If I try to
connect using a non-existing user in the following connection string:

oConn:ConnectionString := "Provider=MSDASQL;Data Source=chance;User
Id=VOOOOroot;Password=;"
Begin Sequence
oConn:Open(NIL, NIL, NIL, NIL) //<-error generated her
Recover Using uerr  // <- uErr is returned NIL in the debug
....
End

I got a system error:

[MySQL ODBC 3.51 driver]Access denied for user @127.0.01  to database chance
Subsystem VO2ADO
ErrorSubcode 16389

Debugging the application, shows me that the error occurred inside VO2ADO.
It looks like for mySQL if a wrong user and/or wrong password is entered
VO2ADO is not capable to send an error object, therefore VO Error system is
triggered, without allowing the programmer to trap the error.

I think is something VO2ADO should fix.  Again I am using mySQL 4.1 (alpha),
Windows XP pro, VO 2.6
Remember that this works fine:

oConn:ConnectionString := "Provider=MSDASQL;Data Source=chance;User
Id=root;Password=;"

Hernando


text:
Hernando Patino wrote:

?
But surely that is how it is supposed to behave?
- all COM exceptions go to the error handler,
you then specify a custom error handler that (usually)
does a break and use BEGIN SEQUENCE, RECOVER USING,
END SEQUENCE.


author: Ginny Caughey

text:
Hernando,

This code is for SQLServer, so you'd need to change it for MySql, but maybe it
will give you some ideas:

FUNCTION AdoInit() AS LOGIC PASCAL
 LOCAL cbError AS CODEBLOCK
 LOCAL lRet AS LOGIC

 gConn := AdoConnection{}
 gConn:ConnectionTimeout := 5
 gConn:provider := "SQLOLEDB"
 // By setting the prompt property we can determine if a logon dialog is shown:
 //gConn:Properties:[item, "Prompt"]:Value := AdPromptComplete

 gConn:ConnectionString := "Data Source=GINNY-T23;" +;
  "Initial Catalog=Test;User Id=sa;Password=;"

 // Set the default connection for better error reports
 AdoSetConnection(gConn)
 gConn:CursorLocation := adUseClient
 cbError := ErrorBlock({|oErr|_Break(oErr)})
 BEGIN SEQUENCE
  gConn:Open(NIL,NIL,NIL,NIL)
  lRet := (gConn:State == adStateOpen)
 RECOVER
  lRet := FALSE
 END SEQUENCE
 ErrorBlock(cbError)

 RETURN lRet

And I call it like this:

  IF !AdoInit()
   MessageBox(0, PSZ("Unable to connect to SQL database."), PSZ("Error"), MB_OK)
   BREAK
  ENDIF


author: Paul Grunwald

subject: X2- The Threat Review at Avault


author: BabyJ

subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
Its a preview, ass.

"Paul Grunwald" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns940ED3A66A0pgrunwaldcomcastnet@206.127.4.25...


author: Ahab

subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
Its a shame that this game is only single player and that they plan to make
the multiplayer version a online monthly fee system.

I won't be buying either of them.


author: Memnoch

subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:53:26 -0400, "BabyJ" <[email]> wrote:

And a preview is just a review of an early product. It's still a review. And
besides, although the game does look great, I bet it will still have the same
static, if not stagnant, universe that X-Tension had, where there are huge
solar systems you can't explore because the only interesting bit is only
several kilometres across, and pretty much on a flat plain too. Even
Freelancer did solar systems better and that got pretty dull after a while.


author: Walter Mitty

subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
"BabyJ" <[email]> brightened my day with his incisive wit when in
news:[email] he conjectured that:

Oh damn, that's a real p-off.


subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
"BabyJ" <[email]> wrote in news:[email]:

 oh, thanks for the correction.

p.s. do you go by bj for short?


subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
"Ahab" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
make

I will if they are good.  Of course that's the hitch.


author: Michael Albertsen

subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
A preview deals with potential, and a review deals (or should deal) with the
actual game.

I'd say there's a pretty big difference.

- Michael

"Memnoch" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
And
same
while.


subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
Do you go by PG? Wow a BJ joke, har har har.

"Paul Grunwald" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns940FE0AC11EBFpgrunwaldcomcastnet@206.127.4.25...


subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:38:20 GMT, "FLY135" <[email]> wrote:

I imagine that it will turn out to be a facelift for X-Tension. The first
thing I would be looking for is if they used exactly the same sound effects
for things like the weapons. Kind of a no expense spent thing.


subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
"Michael Albertsen" <[email]> wrote in message
news:3f8bff21$0$267$[email]...
the

So you're sticking up for the idiot?

huge


author: Andreas Baus

subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
Memnoch <[email]> wrote:

I doubt it, the game uses a (supposedly) completely new engine, written
from scratch. What I personally will be looking for in this game will be
space flight physics that are actually fun to dogfight in... the flight
mechanics in X (and X-Tension) were not, and since I prefer fighting over
trading that is the one element that is going to make the game stand or
fall for me.


subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
"FLY135" <fly_135(@ hot not not)notmail.com> wrote in message
news:Z6Uib.54912$[email]...

It's not about that, it's about what I think is right. A preview is not
tantamount to a review, which is why I said what I did.

Calling someone an ass, because of a simple mistake, is also quite silly,
but I find that sufficiently obvious. Meaning I don't feel the need to point
out why. Also, it's the kind of thing that rarely leads to fruitful debate.

- Michael


author: Nats

subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
Well at least the new screen shots actually look like you can enter nebulae
and that distance has an effect on what you can see. Thats one positive
thing. My view is that I will wait and see what the reviews are like before
I even consider buying. They will have to make the game 100% more varied and
interesting for me to want to play it. And I just hope that the universes
are a little more sporadic and not so bloody regularised.

Being able to mine asteroids and make an interesting living from it, or be a
pirate as a career, or a bounty hunter, or trader etc and have all these
different and interesting would make it a classic game to play IMO.


subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:44:48 +0000 (UTC), Andreas Baus
<[email]> wrote:

Same here. But the devs don't want to alienate a large portion of the intended
audience, thinking that most won't be able to handle a realistic flight model.
So instead they opt for the stop on a dime, no inertia dogfighting presented
in most games. It wouldn't be so bad if they then included an optional
realistic flight model but how many have. I-War 2 is still my favourite for
this. Even that let down known as Freelancer would let you switch your engines
off and drift around.


subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
"Michael Albertsen" <[email]> wrote in message
news:3f8c14a9$0$262$[email]...
with
point
debate.

LOL, then I guess we'd better stop calling our "engineering reviews"...
reviews, and start calling them "engineering previews".   It's a review of a
beta/alpha release.  I found it "sufficiently obvious" and that is seemed
there could be no "fruitful debate" over the semantics.


subject: Re: X2- The Threat Review at Avault

text:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:09:53 +0100, "Nats"
<[email]> wrote:

But the first games DID let you do this, and it still got boring very quickly.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: FreeHand 9

text:
Scott Daniel Ullman <sdullman@i_hate_spam.stanford.ude> wrote:
will be coming out in February for Seybold?

As quoted on MacFormat, issue 80 (August 1999)

"Shown briefly at the recent Macromedia User Conference, the next
version of this leading drawing package will develop its Web-friendly
side still further.

Enhanced drawing tools include brush effects and transparency operating
within paths, plus an intelligent symbol library that enables you to
store frequently used graphics and updates any use of the symbol in
your document"

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.


author: Bahadir Balban

subject: linking and loading images

text:
Hi,

I would like to have your suggestions on how to achieve the following
in the simplest, cleanest way.

I have images A and B (and possibly C, D, ... ) to be loaded in
physical memory one after the other. Each have .text, .data, .bss
sections. B should be linked at the next page after A ends (so it must
know where A ends at its link time), also the code in A, should be
able to know/discover where B is going to be loaded and where it ends
at its runtime.

My possible solutions:

1) If I build A and B as separate images, by first building and
linking A, the page at which B would start (i.e. the next page after
A) can be determined. I can easily filter objdump output for A to find
out where it ends, and include B's start address in B's linker script
before building it. But I have already built A, so there's the problem
of patching A's image to insert B's start and end address somewhere,
and this might be tedious.

2) I could link the two together using a single linker script. Then
where each image is loaded would be determined at link time, and each
image can be aware of where the other is, by simply reading
linker-defined variables. The problem with this is these are actually
two different images, objects in them have no relation, also each
needs to have its own _start address, so that will probably be
ambiguous. Furthermore, I may need to have images C, D and more. So it
would quickly get tedious to maintain a single linker script for
multiple images meant to be independent.

3) After all images are built, I could compile a data structure with
all image information, and load that in a predefined region in memory.
At runtime image A or whoever image wants to discover about the others
would read this structure from a predefined location.

Do you have any cleaner, simpler solutions?

Many thanks,
Bahadir


subject: Re: linking and loading images

text:
I had to deal with similar problem once.  I quickly decided on
something like your #3 solution because it was straightforward and not
too hard to implement.

You're right about tedious hand manipulations of linker control files
based on previous link outputs: after a few rounds of doing that and
maybe even after dealing with a few hair pulling mistakes, you'll
eventually end up using your automatic/programmatic solution and never
regret your final choice.

JJS


author: John B

subject: Re: linking and loading images

text:
On 14/11/2006 the venerable Bahadir Balban etched in runes:

Yes, use a boot loader.


author: Tauno Voipio

subject: Re: linking and loading images

text:
Bahadir Balban wrote:

If you're using the GNU linker, you could possibly use a combination
of A) and B).

First, link the images separately, but so that the output is
still relocatable.

Second, locate the images to an output image with a special
linker script. The script can recognize the modules (A or B)
in addition to the sections of the input files and locate them
according to instructions in the script.

HTH


author: Ulf Samuelsson

subject: Re: linking and loading images

text:
[email] wrote:

Or use an MMU.
Assum you have 'n' bytes of memory.
Allocate 'n' bytes in the page table for image A,
and 'n' bytes in the page table for image B.

You now know that Image A starts at address 0 and image B
starts at address B.
Allocate physical memory as needed for the two images.

A  simpler alternative is to let image B call a subroutine in image A.
The subroutine needs to be at a fixed address which is never changed.
The parameters of the subroutine should be the info A needs to know about B,
and maybe also include the address of a subroutine in B, so that A
can return the favour.


subject: PDF Index Tool Needed

text:
I understand that the Acrobat .pdf creator program can make an Acrobat Catalog
which can then be searched by the Reader program, however, I do not have the
Adobe Acrobat creation program on my system. I only have the Reader.

I have a whole CD-R disk full of legal cases that are in .PDF format and I need
a tool to search an entire directory of these .PDF files for keywords in the
documents. Searching each individual document using the "Find" function of the
regular Acrobat Reader will be impossible due to the vast number of files
involved.

Does anyone know of a freeware program to make the Acrobat Catalog files from
my colletion of .PDF's so that I can search them with the Reader program?
Thank you
Dave


author: Steve Lomicka

subject: Re: PDF Index Tool Needed

text:
We have a set of new PDF text extraction components you might find useful.
You may find out more at www.maximal.com.  Please visit our products page
and take look at Maximal Toolkit 4.0 (TK40)

HTH,
Steve

Dav1936531 <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Catalog
the
need
the
the
from


author: Dan Sideen

subject: Re: PDF Index Tool Needed

text:
Spend the $300 and by the full Acrobat. It will allow you to simply index
the entire collection, and Reader can then be used to quickly locate any
reference.

You can then use Distiller and/or PDFWriter to create new pdf's, and add
them to the catalogue.

For any other solution, you will probably waste $300 worth of time.

"Dav1936531" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Catalog
the
need
the
the
from


author: Aandi Inston

subject: Re: PDF Index Tool Needed

text:
[email] (Dav1936531) wrote:

There is definitely no such freeware program. The Catalog program is
licensed from Verity, and all their other offerings are much more
expensive.

Note that if you have Catalog you cannot index a CDROM. You would have
to copy the CDROM to disk and index. If required, you could then copy
the CDROM and all the indexes to a new CD.

There may, however, be completely separate ways to index and search
PDF files, which are free or bundled. The Macintosh "Sherlock" feature
can search PDF files, for instance, in recent releases.

Final note: most systems cannot index protected PDF files.
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subject: Re: PDF Index Tool Needed

text:
Thanks all for the quick replies. Anything in cheap shareware to do this?
Dave


subject: Re: PDF Index Tool Needed

text:
[email] (Dav1936531) wrote:

You haven't told us what platform you are on, which is rather
important for recommending software. If you are on a Macintosh, a
MacOS 9 upgrade is not expensive.
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author: Jayendar Rajagopalan

subject: Recurrent neural networks code required/ftp sites

text:
Neural netters,
Could someone suggest/send MATALB/C/Mathematica code
or FTP sites for training recurrent feedforward nets
on SUN/PC machines.

Also could someone please sent or suggest FTP sites for
the papers by Williams & Zipser/Almeida/Sejnowski on
algorithms for training the recurrent nets.
(VPI library does not get "Neural Computation", where
versions of all these papers appeared).

As this is urgent, your help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

Jay Rajagopalan
Virginia Power Electronics Center
Virginia Tech (VPI & SU)
Blacksburg, VA 24060		[email]
				703-231-5494


author: Tony Robinson

subject: Re: Recurrent neural networks code required/ftp sites

text:
[email] (Jayendar Rajagopalan) writes:

7,000 lines of C Code to do large vocabulary speech recognition with
recurrent neural networks is available by ftp from svr-ftp.eng.cam.ac.uk in
misc/recnet-1.1.tar.Z (this differs from version 1.0 only very slightly).

The code to train this system on a SUN/PC in less than a month of CPU time
will have to wait until something faster than gradient descent can be used
to train recurrent networks (we are working on it).

Perhaps you are better off reading:

    Paul J. Werbos, "Backpropagation Through Time: What it does and how to
    do it", Proc. IEEE, vol 78, number 10, pp 1550-1560, October 1990.

On the same ftp site is a directory called reports.  The file
robinson_phd.ps.Z contains one of the original derivations of the real time
recurrent learning algorithm and a few other oddball ideas.  The file
robinson_ieeenn93_febdraft.ps.Z contains an article on recurrent nets for
speech recognition (comments welcome before it is finalised).

Tony Robinson

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author: George Kechriotis

text:
ftp to imago.coe.northeastern.edu
(129.10.15.21) and get the files
in /pub/source/matlab/tbx.
login: anonymous
passwd: anonymous

it's a channel equalization toolbox
that includes code for RTRL and
EKF (Extended Kalman Filter) algorithm.

The EKF, although it has the same complexity
as the RTRL, has the best convergence
characteristics. If EKF can do it, nothing
can do it!

the code is in matlab

george


author: Sam Martin

subject: Unix sound to .WAV

text:
Hi All:

Looking for a way to conver UNIX sound to .WAV format files.
We want to record from a Sun SPARC and convert to .wav for use by Power Point,
etc.
TIA
Sam


author: Juanito C.

subject: Re: Unix sound to .WAV

text:
Although I'm not as familiar with ".wav" sound files with dos,
have you tried re-saving the ".au" files as "New format" setting
the encoding bit to match whatever the ".wav" requires and retain
the "sample rate @ 8KHZ" cahnnels set to "mono"

just my one cent...

JC


author: Shiela Kenney

subject: Re: Unix sound to .WAV

text:
In article <300mct$[email]> [email] (Sam Martin) writes:

=================
Sorry I can't remember the site, but GoldWave converts .au to .wav.  Perhaps
another kind soul can post the site.

Shiela R. Kenney
Instructional Development Services
UC Irvine


author: Brian Dupras

subject: Re: Unix sound to .WAV

text:
Shiela Kenney ([email]) wrote:
: In article <300mct$[email]> [email] (Sam Martin) writes:
: >From: [email] (Sam Martin)
: >Subject: Unix sound to .WAV
: >Date: 13 Jul 1994 08:23:57 -0400
: >Keywords: Unix WAV sound

: >Hi All:

: >Looking for a way to conver UNIX sound to .WAV format files.
: >We want to record from a Sun SPARC and convert to .wav for use by Power Point,
: >etc.
: >TIA
: >Sam
: =================
: Sorry I can't remember the site, but GoldWave converts .au to .wav.  Perhaps
: another kind soul can post the site.

Yes, I just downloaded Goldwave from cica in the win3/sounds directory.
The filename is gldwav20.zip.  Also, if you're looking for a unix side
solution, the program SOX (SOund eXchange) converts almost any format
into any other.

Brian


author: "Achim"

subject: Re: cvs problems

text:
ok, thanx for pointing me to my blindness :-|, but, I'm sorry, this is the
cvs-log after the correction:

CVSROOT: [email]:/pack/cvsroots/wxwidgets login (password
authentication)
cvs -z9 -d ":pserver:[email]:/pack/cvsroots/wxwidgets
login" login
Logging in to
:pserver:[email]:2401:/pack/cvsroots/wxwidgets login
cvs [login aborted]: authorization failed: server cvs.wxwidgets.org rejected
access to /pack/cvsroots/wxwidgets login for user anoncvs
***** CVS exited normally with code 1 *****

Well I don't understand this...

best regards achim

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author: ABX

subject: Re: cvs problems

text:
"Achim" <[email]>:

There is one unneeded "login" in your command (within quotation marks) which
is interpreted as part of /pack/...

Try:

cvs -z9 -d :pserver:[email]:/pack/cvsroots/wxwidgets login

ABX

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author: chris elliott

subject: Re: cvs problems

text:
did you use use anoncvs for the password ?
chris

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author: Michael Chan

subject: My name is Joe Shmoe

text:
Hi!

I'm just one of the many not-so "highly-computer-literate" average
computer user. I'm currently a sophomore in college who is waiting for
the DX2/66's to become very affordable. I try to keep with the computer
industry and the PPC has made me think twice about buying "intel-inside".
All I want is the best price/performance my money can buy. The average
college student would need to be able to run Windows/Dos (which PPC can
do) but how about being able to purchase ISA/VESA cards (cheap!) or
transfer cards from an old 386 (like me!) to a PPC? Can PPC be a
substitute for Intel? By the way, I was very interested in dabbling with
Linux so PPC has a greater appeal than ever....

-Mike C.


author: Wittenborn Cory D

subject: Re: My name is Joe Shmoe

text:
[email] (Michael Chan) writes:

I believe the real question, then, is whether you want to buy the best price/
performance machine in general or the best price/performance machine to run
Windoze and DOS.  If the former, the PPC based machines will be for you, if the
the latter a Fly-By-Night Inc. machine will be "best".  True, many here have
claimed that a PPC running Windows under emulation will smoke a DX2/66, but
the machine's they've seen are either RS/6000's or pre-release PPC Macs that
gargantuan caches.  For your budget both would be out.  However, if you DO
want the BEST price/performance, go PPC.  You should be able to transfer cards
IF the manufacturer creates drivers for one of the OS's that will run on the
PPC and IF Dell or someone makes a PPC machine w/ISA slots.  My question, though, would be what cards you have.  If you have the standard video card, Sound-
Blaster clone, and maybe networking card you can get all of that built-in in
any Mac including, presumably, the PPC ones.
So far as your contention that the "average" college student needs to run
Windoze or DOS, this is being written by a EE major on a Mac.  The truth is,
the AVERAGE college student doesn't NEED a computer, and when he/she needs to
use one they don't need a PC-compatible.  I suggest you go to your general access computer lab and see that at least half the students are using Macs (or at
least that is the situation here, at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Cham-
paign).  I, personally, am waiting for Apple to ship their PPC Macs.

Da Witt
[email]
"Macintosh:  Because people can see through Windows"-Fizzbomb, AOL

have gargantuan cache
C
D
latter you have no choice but Intel inside and Fly-By-Night Inc..  W


author: Izzy Ashcan

subject: Re: My name is Joe Shmoe

text:
In article <28d7l8$[email]>, [email] (Wittenborn Cory D) writes:
|>[email] (Michael Chan) writes:
|>
|>>Hi!
|>
|>>I'm just one of the many not-so "highly-computer-literate" average
|>>computer user. I'm currently a sophomore in college who is waiting for
|>>the DX2/66's to become very affordable. I try to keep with the computer
|>>industry and the PPC has made me think twice about buying "intel-inside".
|>>All I want is the best price/performance my money can buy. The average
|>>college student would need to be able to run Windows/Dos (which PPC can
|>>do) but how about being able to purchase ISA/VESA cards (cheap!) or
|>>transfer cards from an old 386 (like me!) to a PPC? Can PPC be a
|>>substitute for Intel? By the way, I was very interested in dabbling with
|>>Linux so PPC has a greater appeal than ever....
|>
|>>-Mike C.
|>
|>I believe the real question, then, is whether you want to buy the best price/
|>performance machine in general or the best price/performance machine to run
|>Windoze and DOS.  If the former, the PPC based machines will be for you, if the
|>the latter a Fly-By-Night Inc. machine will be "best".  True, many here have
|>claimed that a PPC running Windows under emulation will smoke a DX2/66, but
|>the machine's they've seen are either RS/6000's or pre-release PPC Macs that
|>gargantuan caches.  For your budget both would be out.  However, if you DO
|>want the BEST price/performance, go PPC.  You should be able to transfer cards
|>IF the manufacturer creates drivers for one of the OS's that will run on the
|>PPC and IF Dell or someone makes a PPC machine w/ISA slots.  My question, though, would be what cards you have.  If you have the standard video card, Sound-
|>Blaster clone, and maybe networking card you can get all of that built-in in
|>any Mac including, presumably, the PPC ones.
|>So far as your contention that the "average" college student needs to run
|>Windoze or DOS, this is being written by a EE major on a Mac.  The truth is,
|>the AVERAGE college student doesn't NEED a computer, and when he/she needs to
|>use one they don't need a PC-compatible.  I suggest you go to your general access computer lab and see that at least half the students are using Macs (or at
|>least that is the situation here, at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Cham-
|>paign).  I, personally, am waiting for Apple to ship their PPC Macs.
|>

I agree. Personally I think the "average" college student is _much_
better off with the Mac (and this is a die-hard, command-like OpSys user).
Since UIUC has been mentioned, let me give you an example - I was working in
a lab, and this person sat down at the computer next to me and the screen was
blank - this person walked around the thing for a few minutes, looking for
the power switch (which was on the keyboard ;-) and finally I lost patience
and hit a key. It was a NeXT, and this person stuck the disk in, but balked at
the login prompt. I turned out that this person thought it was a black *MAC*,
with a big screen. Now people like that _need_ a Mac.

The person who posted before, doesn't. Anyone who thinks they can cope with
Linux, who knows of the existence of Linux even, is computer literate. The
only problems that are difficult to deal with are bus-related, with IRQ settings,
SCSI IDs, and things like that - which are non-problems with NuBus, PCI, and
MCA. Note that the PCI bus also takes ISA cards in some implementations... so
it doesn't matter _what_ bus you have on the thing (unless you have NuBus,
which may be dead - good news for Mac users since prices will drop).

So basically the issue comes down to OS preference. Which may or may not be
a non-issue in the months ahead. But in any case I'd wait (which I'm doing
myself - MPC601-66, DC21066-166, MIPS R4200-50 - I'll stick with my 486-33/20
system until there's an OS I'm _really_ impressed with).


author: David Morgenstern

subject: Re: My name is Joe Shmoe

text:
Wittenborn Cory D ([email]) wrote:
: [email] (Michael Chan) writes:

: >All I want is the best price/performance my money can buy. The average
: >college student would need to be able to run Windows/Dos (which PPC can
: >do) but how about being able to purchase ISA/VESA cards (cheap!) or
: >transfer cards from an old 386 (like me!) to a PPC? Can PPC be a

: I believe the real question, then, is whether you want to buy the best price/
: performance machine in general or the best price/performance machine to run
: Windoze and DOS.  If the former, the PPC based machines will be for you, if the
: the latter a Fly-By-Night Inc. machine will be "best".  True, many here have

In 1983 or 84, my father bought a Cameleon computer. This machine
ran both CP/M (is that how it's spelled? It looks off) and DOS. My
father had a lot of source and programs that ran under the older
Cp/M system. He didn't run any of it after a couple of months...

This will be the same with the Mac. After a while -- months -- your
favorite programs will be updated to PPC native operation. Which is
what you will want 'cause you will want everything to scream!
Budget for at least 32 Mbytes RAM and a really fast drive... We
will all be crying when we have to move into any emulation --
Windoze, Mac, or OS/2.

daviD


author: Betelgeuse

subject: OT: Monitors

text:
My Sony Multiscan 400PS is getting old. I use it mainly at 1600x1200 with my
R9700Pro but now I notice that the text quality has deteriorated and isn't
as sharp as it used to be, the image is still pretty bright but sometimes
develops strange distortions (wavy things, hard to describe.) I'm thinking
of upgrading to another Sony 19" or perhaps a 21" monitor, I'm partial to
Trintron tubes. What are some good replacement monitors, either 19" or 21"
with Trinitron tubes that offer superb picture clarity and sharpness at
1600x1200 or even beyond.
TIA

Betelgeuse,
Armpit of the Giant

=============================================
"I Am Become Death, The Destroyer Of Worlds!"
=============================================

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the
Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost
in time, like tears in rain..."
    -Roy Batty
    Blade Runner

betelg [ at ] cogeco [ dot ] ca


author: Jim Waggener

subject: Re: Monitors

text:
have you degaussed it?

"Betelgeuse" <[email]> wrote in message
news:yhZ1a.71171$[email]...
my


author: QED, eh ?

subject: Re: Monitors

text:
Try and borrow a modern LCD for a few days - you won't even think about
getting a CRT.
Why ?
Because your eyes won't hurt any more.
A 17" LCD has the same viewable area as a 19" CRT.
And because there is zero distortion and total flatness, it looks even
bigger.
Text and stuff is well easy to read.
Plus, no glass reflection.
Loads of desk space freed up.
No static - anything attaching can just be blown off.
No refresh issues.
DVI - which really sharpens up your graphics.
Reading text is a doddle compared to CRT.
But mainly - no more eye-strain.

"Betelgeuse" <[email]> wrote in message
news:yhZ1a.71171$[email]...
my


author: Maddog

subject: Re: OT: Monitors

text:
"Betelgeuse" <[email]> wrote in message news:<yhZ1a.71171$[email]>...

When's the last time you pressed the degauss button to demagnitze the
CRT. From your description above I'd bet it's been a while. Give that
a try before you spend money on a new monitor.

Maddog


author: Brett Holcomb

subject: Re: OT: Monitors

text:
You might check Iiyama monitors.  I've used them for many years.

Betelgeuse wrote:


author: Quentin Stephens

subject: Re: Monitors

text:
"QED, eh ?" <[email]> wrote in
news:b2anuk$kcn$[email]:

Sorry, but in my experience the image quality isn't there yet,
especially when dealing with rapidly moving images.

And then there's the price.


subject: Re: Monitors

text:
"Quentin Stephens" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns931FD250D4841stqstqstq@80.1.224.4...

You need a response time of < 30 ms (black-white-black) to preclude
ghosting.
Check out the competitively priced Iiyama AS 4312 (520 UKP) - high spec', no
ghosting.
Worth every penny for no-more eye-strain/reading-viewing comfort.
You spend a lot of your life looking at a monitor, so you might as well make
it as agreeable as possible and save your sight in the process.
Until you've spent a long day on an LCD, you can't appreciate the
difference.
Trust me - beg, steal or borrow a decently spec'd unit for a day and you
won't look back.


author: Gerry Aitken

subject: Re: Monitors

text:
"QED, eh ?" wrote:

The 4312 you mention is still smaller than my 22" CRT, plus the LDC is
not compatible with 3D glasses. Also, I've never had a problem with eye
strain when using a CRT.

LDCs are very portable though, and i'm always lugging my system about
NOTE, so I'll pass.

Gerry


subject: Re: Monitors

text:
"QED, eh ?" <[email]> wrote in
news:b2bnrl$pp2$[email]:

My eyes appear to be more sensitive than that. My preferred minimum
refresh rate is 100Hz, i.e 10ms response time (black-white only).


author: HockeyTownUSA

subject: Re: Monitors

text:
Yessir!

I have a 19" CRT Trinitron tube that I've had for about 2.5 years now, and
love(d) it. I use it on my game machine. I used a used 14.1" LCD monitor for
work stuff at home (web pages, MS Office stuff, email, etc). Then I got
frustrated with the tiny screen, and hated LCD's. Then I went out and bought
a MAG Innovision 17" LCD because it was cheap ($400!!!) at BestBuy. What an
amazing difference!!! Now I am saving for a nice 19" LCD for my gaming
machine. This MAG Innovision has very bright, crisp, clean text and
graphics. Now my CRT looks dull and blurry.

The response time on this LCD is 45ms, with 400:1 contrast, but played a
couple games on it and looked fine to me. The only thing that concerns me is
the native resolutions of the screens. Most LCD's come with 1280x1024 native
resolution, but most games people play at 800x600 or 1024x768 due to frame
rates. Thankfully I have a Radeon 9700 Pro with 2.66 GHz P4, but still
sometimes I have to jump down in resolution in flight sims to get a good
frame rate, not to mention 1024x768 is more or less required for Falcon 4
SP3 to get the cockpit. It's not a huge issue, but the image is "stretched"
to fit the screen, or worse yet, with a black band around it to fit the
resolution.

But the technology is accelerating quickly and we should have 19" <30ms
response time 1600x1200 LCD's under $500 by year's end. I highly recommend
them, even with this cheapy I have its 1000 times better than that old 14.1
inch old time LCD.

"QED, eh ?" <[email]> wrote in message
news:b2bnrl$pp2$[email]...
no
make


subject: Re: Monitors

text:
"Gerry Aitken" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
spec', no
make

Actually, I meant the 4315.

you mention is still smaller than my 22" CRT

That's a freaking lounge TV on your desk, FCS !

, plus the LDC is

Weird.
Go see the doctor.
He may diagnose non-humanoid genetic origin.
Try spending 8 hours reading documents on your CRT - then get back to me.
Reading any kind of document on a CRT is godaweful.
Reading on an LCD is by comparison, like reading hard-print.

Oh, and one other thing - never under-estimate the power of denial.
Hehe (only joking).
No seriously, go see the doc if your eyes aren't strained after attempting
the above.


subject: Re: Monitors

text:
"Quentin Stephens" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns9320D764B1E0Dstqstqstq@80.1.224.4...

The rise time (black-white) is invariably shorter than the deluminance
period (white-black).
My 30 ms Iiyama LCD has a rise time of 10 ms, so the refresh rate is
equivalent to your minimum.


subject: Re: Monitors

text:
"QED, eh ?" wrote:

Yeah right! :)

You rally shouldn't spend that length of time reading off an LCD or CTR.
My advice is to take regular breaks.

Documents look just fine on my 22".

If you have been squinting at a screen for what length of time then I
would advise YOU to visit an optician. Anyway, I'm more interested in
how games look on my monitor, and in that department the CRT wins hands
down!

Gerry


subject: Re: Monitors

text:
"Gerry Aitken" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
eye

Based on the unmistakable odour of denial, he'll probably just diagnose
weirdness   :)

me.
attempting


subject: Re: Monitors

text:
Looking at the mess, below, which you seem to think constitutes an easy
to read NG post, I'd say your eyes are beyond help. ;)

Gerry

"QED, eh ?" wrote:


subject: Re: Monitors

text:
"Gerry Aitken" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Hey, that was one of my good ones !
Repeat after me ... LCD eyes are happy eyes.

with
to
CTR.
hands


author: Daniel TONG

subject: Re: SOS need atapi.exe file urgent

text:
[email] wrote:

thanks for your input
i  could not even get to that stage
it was dead the 3rd boot up apparently due to the 1024 restriction
i could load up win2000 beta 3 though
but that is not what the client wants

daniel at [email]


author: David Turner

subject: Re: PM TrueType Extension

text:
Thanks,
I already downloaded and tried the beta. It promises to be a great software,
but I'd rather work with an integrated debugger. I'm still waiting for the
release of the full product, though !

- David


author: Col

subject: Strange 4500 Problem

text:
G'day

I have a 4500M hooked up via eth1 to an alcatel adsl modem with IOS Version
12.2(2)T. It dials and authenticates fine. Once connected I can ping
internet addresses via ip and name. The problem is the windows boxes using
it as a default gateway stall trying to access any web site. From command
prompt on the windows machine I can ping any internet address via both ip
and name. Does anyone have any idea why they are behaving like this? I've
included a sample of a debug ip packet detail at the point of failure and my
full config.

00:27:01: IP: s=61.9.162.126 (Ethernet0), d=144.135.18.10 (Dialer1),
g=144.135.18.10, len 40, forward

00:27:01:     TCP src=3037, dst=80, seq=3434373939, ack=0, win=0 RST

00:27:01: IP: s=61.9.162.126 (Ethernet0), d=202.3.14.151 (Dialer1),
g=202.3.14.151, len 48, forward

00:27:01:     TCP src=3043, dst=80, seq=3535078369, ack=0, win=16384 SYN

00:27:01: IP: s=202.3.14.151 (Dialer1), d=10.0.0.1 (Ethernet0), g=10.0.0.1,
len 44, forward

00:27:01:     TCP src=80, dst=3043, seq=4224119187, ack=3535078370,
win=17520 ACK SYN

00:27:01: IP: s=61.9.162.126 (Ethernet0), d=202.3.14.151 (Dialer1),
g=202.3.14.151, len 40, forward

00:27:01:     TCP src=3043, dst=80, seq=3535078699, ack=4224119454,
win=17254 ACK FIN

00:27:01: IP: s=202.3.14.151 (Dialer1), d=10.0.0.1 (Ethernet0), g=10.0.0.1,
len 40, forward

00:27:01:     TCP src=80, dst=3043, seq=4224119454, ack=3535078699,
win=17520 ACK FIN

00:27:02: IP: s=202.3.14.151 (Dialer1), d=10.0.0.1 (Ethernet0), g=10.0.0.1,
len 40, forward

00:27:02:     TCP src=80, dst=3043, seq=4224119454, ack=3535078700,
win=17520 ACK FIN

00:27:02: IP: s=61.9.162.126 (Ethernet0), d=61.9.128.13 (Dialer1),
g=61.9.128.13, len 58, forward

00:27:02:     UDP src=3044, dst=53

00:27:02: IP: s=61.9.128.13 (Dialer1), d=10.0.0.1 (Ethernet0), g=10.0.0.1,
len 326, forward

00:27:02:     UDP src=53, dst=3044

00:27:02: IP: s=61.9.162.126 (Ethernet0), d=202.3.14.171 (Dialer1),
g=202.3.14.171, len 48, forward

00:27:02:     TCP src=3045, dst=80, seq=3535187802, ack=0, win=16384 SYN

00:27:02: IP: s=202.3.14.171 (Dialer1), d=10.0.0.1 (Ethernet0), g=10.0.0.1,
len 44, forward

00:27:02:     TCP src=80, dst=3045, seq=1379338617, ack=3535187803,
win=17520 ACK SYN

Cisco4500#wr t
Building configuration...

Current configuration : 1868 bytes
!
version 12.2
no parser cache
no service single-slot-reload-enable
service timestamps debug uptime
service timestamps log uptime
no service password-encryption
!
hostname Cisco4500
!
logging rate-limit console 10 except errors
enable secret <>
enable password
!
ip subnet-zero
ip name-server x.x.x.x
ip name-server x.x.x.x
!
no ip dhcp-client network-discovery
frame-relay switching
vpdn enable
!
vpdn-group pppoe
 request-dialin
  protocol pppoe
!
interface Ethernet0
 ip address 10.0.0.254 255.255.255.0
 ip nat inside
 media-type 10BaseT
!
interface Ethernet1
 no ip address
 media-type 10BaseT
 pppoe enable
 pppoe-client dial-pool-number 1
 no cdp enable
!
interface Serial0
 bandwidth 125
 ip address 10.0.1.5 255.255.255.252
 ip nat inside
!
interface Serial1
 bandwidth 4000
 ip address 10.0.1.9 255.255.255.252
 ip nat inside
 encapsulation frame-relay
 clockrate 4000000
 dce-terminal-timing-enable
 frame-relay map ip 10.0.1.10 16 broadcast
 frame-relay lmi-type cisco
 frame-relay intf-type dce
!
interface Serial2
 no ip address
 shutdown
!
interface Serial3
 no ip address
 shutdown
!
interface Dialer1
 ip address negotiated
 ip mtu 1436
 ip nat outside
 encapsulation ppp
 dialer pool 1
 dialer-group 1
 no cdp enable
 ppp authentication chap callin
 ppp chap hostname <snip>
 ppp chap password 7 <snip>
!
router eigrp 1
 redistribute static
 network 10.0.0.0
 neighbor 10.0.1.10 Serial1
 auto-summary
 no eigrp log-neighbor-changes
!
ip nat inside source list 1 interface Dialer1 overload
ip classless
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Dialer1 permanent
ip http server
!
access-list 1 permit 10.0.0.0 0.0.255.255
dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit
!
!
snmp-server community public RO
!
line con 0
 exec-timeout 600 0
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
 exec-timeout 600 0
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!
end


subject: Re: Strange 4500 Problem

text:
Hi again

Problem solved. Thanks to all who helped. Once I changed the mtu on the
windows PCs to 1492 it worked. There is a page on the cisco site that
details this exact problem and suggests 1492 as the ethernet mtu value

"Col" <[email]> wrote in message
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author: Niloup

subject: Re: Strange 4500 Problem

text:
Hi Col,

It looks like MTU size problem. Verify the MTU of the PC and/or negotiation.
Also MTU automatic negotiation requires ICMP connectivity.

Niloup.

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author: Hansang Bae

subject: Re: Strange 4500 Problem

text:
In article <gs6w7.130951$[email]>,
[email] says...

Can you ping with maximum size packets?  For wintel boxes, use ping with
the "-l SIZE_HERE -f" option.  Try using 1500 and move down until you
find the MTU being used.  It may be that your Path MTU discovery is not
working because the ICMP (Packet-too-big msg) is not getting back to the
PCs.


subject: Re: Strange 4500 Problem

text:
Hi.

The max mtu from the pc to the internet is 1426 although this seemed to
change to 1398 after a while.
The max mtu from the router to the internet is 1454.

Whats your take on these results?

"Hansang Bae" <hbae_@_nyc.rr.com.REMOVE_> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Version
using
command
ip
I've
and my


subject: Re: Strange 4500 Problem

text:
In article <Oybw7.131656$[email]>,
[email] says...

For path discovery to work, the ICMP error message has to be able to come
back to the PC/routers involved.  So make sure your ACLs will accomodate
such an error message.

Typically, when you can ping but can't browse, it's usually

1)  MTU problem
2)  Marginal cables that sneaks smaller packets through while dying on
larger packets.


author: David Casseres

subject: Re: Warbirds 3 / Jaguar

text:
In article <[email]>,
 [email] (Jonathan Sanderson) wrote:

So what do you use for a joystick?


author: NA Gebhard

subject: Re: Warbirds 3 / Jaguar

text:
In article <[email]>, Jonathan
Sanderson <[email]> wrote:

Sort of works for me. Took numerous tries before it finally would
launch then my CYBORG JoyStick only partially works. almost impossible
to get it to center. Glad this is a beta version abd hope thaty can
make it work properly. for now I'm forced to boot in OS 9.


author: Jonathan Sanderson

subject: Re: Warbirds 3 / Jaguar

text:
NA Gebhard <[email]> wrote:

Er... oh. I'm using an (early!) Cyborg 3D, and it works fine. You did go
through the calibration rituals within Warbirds, right? There's a
doohicky that lets you flex the thing about and set the centre position,
and assign the hat switch and all that.

After that it's fine for me, though I've always found the Cyborg spring
a little too stiff around the centre position, making delicate
corrections more difficult than they need to be. I'm experimenting with
cable-tie clipping up the plastic centring plate, leaving me with a
'floating' stick, which seems much better so far.


author: Michael Emrys

subject: Re: Warbirds 3 / Jaguar

text:
in article [email], Jonathan
Sanderson at [email] wrote on 11/25/02 9:17 AM:

My problem with it was that there were no non-linear settings in the
software for it like I used to have with my Flightstick Pro. That was a
beauty. Really precise in the center and really forceful at the extremes.

Michael


subject: Re: Warbirds 3 / Jaguar

text:
Michael Emrys <[email]> wrote:

that said, I've made my flying in WB3 much more precise through tweaking
the roll/pitch/yaw gain settings, within WB. I now have a much more
gentle approach around the deadspot. Combined with finding the
field-of-view zoom keys, I've actually managed to hit things! Coo!


subject: Re: Warbirds 3 / Jaguar

text:
in article [email], Jonathan
Sanderson at [email] wrote on 11/25/02 3:53 PM:

The ground is fairly easy, I've found.

:-)

Michael


author: Alexandre Grand-Clement

subject: Re: Warbirds 3 / Jaguar

text:
Michael Emrys wrote:

Note that should you at the last instant be distracted by say, the
sudden appearance of the suitcase you thought you'd lost on your
vacation to Greece twelve years ago, you could very possibly miss it.

A


subject: Re: Warbirds 3 / Jaguar

text:
in article [email], Alexandre Grand-Clement at
[email] wrote on 11/26/02 8:05 AM:

Hah! You think my miserable flying skills could be so easily diminished by
the mere appearance of a suitcase!? You underestimate me sir! It would take,
at minimum, the sudden appearance of a completely nude and quite attractive
airline hostess! So there, you misbegotten Franco-Swedish Eurotrash fanboy!
Go away before I breathe on your medals and make them tarnish!

Michael


subject: Re: Warbirds 3 / Jaguar (part 1)

text:
Michael Emrys wrote:

You mean the sudden appearance of nude hostesses distract you ?
I must admit I personally have come to take them for granted.
YMMV ..

A


subject: Re: Warbirds 3 / Jaguar (part 2)

text:
Michael Emrys eructed:

My, I seem to have vexed the old codger (must remember how).

  Before deciding on a singeing repartee or a clean wipe of the slate of
outrage, I shall proceed with the deconstruction of the hypothetically
offending remark, critically questioning traditional assumptions about
certainty, identity and truth.

  In part one ('Miss Begotten, Meet Miss Use'), where we examine how the
choice of the adjective 'misbegotten' (my parents were happily married
tankyouverymuch) reveals uncouth details on the affronting mud-slinger (..)
(Full text at:
http://www.academia.edu/deconstructivism/masters/emrys_pt1.pdf, 357 KB)

  In part two ('Franco Swedish? Never Met The Guy'), where we question
the use of an adjective currently used to describe the finest things on
this world, this seal that grants the bearer the admiration of women,
the respect of men and -to a certain extent-, the approval of mothers in
law (..)
(Full text at:
http://www.academia.edu/deconstructivism/masters/emrys_pt2.pdf, 1.2 MB)

  In part three ('Eurotrash, An Acquired Taste') where we attempt to
establish whether this Americanism is used as an adjective or a noun, or
simply as an expression of the secret desire for women with unshaven armpits(..)
(Full text at:
http://www.academia.edu/deconstructivism/masters/emrys_pt3.pdf, 4.5 MB)

  In part four ('Fanboy Or Fan Boy?') where we study the composition of
another Americanism and its possible, and possibly unintentional
interpretations (..)
(Full text at:
http://www.academia.edu/deconstructivism/masters/emrys_pt4.pdf, 17.5 MB)

  So in conclusion, having demonstrated that no truth is to be found in
the actual text (c.f. 'Ramblings of an old man' in parts 1 to 4), but
only in the various, often irreconcilable 'virtual offences' constructed
by the  recipients in their search of insult, it seems 'I must pocket up
these wrongs.'

Oh yeah ??
Smell that ??
I just had my valet fart in your general direction.

A


author: Paul Frankenstein

subject: Re: Warbirds 3 / Jaguar (part 2)

text:
In article <[email]>,
Alexandre Grand-Clement  <[email]> wrote:
* (Full text at:
* http://www.academia.edu/deconstructivism/masters/emrys_pt1.pdf, 357 KB)

404.


subject: Re: Warbirds 3 / Jaguar (part 2)

text:
in article [email], Alexandre Grand-Clement at
[email] wrote on 11/27/02 10:17 AM:

[snip much verbose garbage]

You've been reading way too much Derrida.

Michael


subject: Re: Warbirds 3 / Jaguar (part 2)

text:
Paul Frankenstein wrote:

Bugger.

<Ellen Feiss>
It was a really good paper ..

A


author: P. Calamai

subject: WAVE System Clock - doesn't work - HELP

text:
Well I'm embarrassed to say that after configuring MWave utilities,
Internet utilities, etc, I cannot get the OS/2 System Clock configured.
What I did was to click drag the clock from it's folder to the desktop.
I then opened it's notebook and changed some settings.  Closed the notebook
and rebooted.  Nothing happened - I still have this dumb System Clock icon
sitting on my desktop.  One possible clue is that the icon, when in it's
original folder, looked different than all the other icons in that it
had hatching around it's perimeter (not the same as the shading you get
when you select an icon).  Another clue perhaps is that if I click the right
mouse button when the icon is selected I get a more or less standard pop-up
menu but the only entry under VIEW is DATE AND TIME (or TIME AND DATE?).
I've searched the documentation that I have to try and find out what the
weird hatching is all about but haven't had anything.  (Could it
be that the link from the icon to the executable is broken?).

Any suggestions on how I can fix this?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Paul H. Calamai, Professor           email: [email]
Dept. of Systems Design Engineering  phone: (519)885-1211 ext. 3182
University of Waterloo		     fax  : (519)746-4791
Waterloo, Ont. CANADA N2L 3G1	     url  : http://dial.uwaterloo.ca/~phcalama


author: Daniel Kjellin

subject: Data recovery from software raid (solaris 9)

text:
Hi!
I seem to have had a bad hardisk-crash on my systemdisk on my sunblade
100. (bad as in I have to replace the hardware). At present the system
does not boot, I have booted up from a cd and gotten what I could from the
drive, but most of the time I just get errors. Anyway, my question is. I
had 2 drives 'raided' together which homedirs and such. These disks seems
to have survived without injury. The problem of course was that it was
software raid and thus I must tell my solaris (once I have my new drive
and have re-installed the os) to use those disks as one and NOT modify any
data in doing this. How can I do this? At present I have unplugged both
drives to protect them from stupid administrators (i.e me). I would prefer
to use some kind of GUI for this, but I have a feeling I can't?

Anyway any advice on this is most gratefully recieved, also of course
pointers to web-pages or anywhere I can read more is also appreciated.

regards
Daniel


subject: Re: Data recovery from software raid (solaris 9)

text:
hmm, I must say I don't know, I read on their examples on docs.sun.com and
they said to do a metadb -a -f c0t1d0s0 c0t2d0s0" (or where ever my slices
are located) and I did just that, and it has been working nicely since.

hmm, I'll look into that, thank you for pointing it out to me.

good question :) again I really don't know. I have my sun machine mostly
for play and fun, but recently I've used it to serve my other computers
with diskspace (with nfs and samba) so I'm not extremely good with all
this administrating stuff. As I said I just ran that metadb command and
after that things have been working fine.
Are you saying there is something I should change to my current setup to
make it more reliable, stable or such?

/daniel


text:
Conculsion :)
I have now managed to get mount the drives. What happned was that I ran an
fsck on the broken disk. After 30+ hours I aborted the fsck and tried to
mount the filesystem. Some files were readable, including the whole
/etc/lvm directory.
With the help of the information found in those files I managed to read in
the man-pages as to what I had to do.
I tried to just copy the files to my new /etc/lvm dir, but that didn't
really help. When I ran "metainit -a" it just claimed "There are no
databases". Also reading the manual I found out that metainit -a reads
information from md.tab file and not any other file. So I copied the
information I had in my backup files into the md.tab file and tried again.
Again no databases. Reading more I found I have to create the initial
database. So I did a metadb -a -f with my disks as arguments, and then
again tried the metainit -a and to my surprise it worked. I try to mount
the system and there was all my files!
I wish to thank you Mark your help and ideas pointed me in the right
directions.

/daniel


author: Another Tom

text:
Daniel Kjellin wrote:

What does "raided togther" mean?  Is it a stripe or mirror?


author: Michael S. Mell

text:
Daniel Kjellin wrote:
RTFM -- there's an option to metainit (-K I think) which instructs
metainit to create a volume without initializing it; i.e., assume that
data is already there.  I am fairly sure of this for RAID-5
configuration, and reasonably confident that it is so for straight
concat's, mirrors and stripes.

RRRRRR    TTTTTTTT  FFFFFFFF  MM    MM
RR   RR      TT     FF        MMM  MMM
RR    RR     TT     FF        MMMMMMMM
RRRRRRR      TT     FFFFFF    MM MM MM
RR   RR      TT     FF        MM    MM
RR    RR     TT     FF        MM    MM
RR     RR    TT     FF        MM    MM

Move slowly, think twice, enter once -- you oughtta be okay.

Mike Mell


text:
hmm, I'm not sure of the terms actually (I should probably read more
before I reply..) anyway I'd say stripe, anyway it is setup so that data
is _not_ spread evenly across the discs. So if you open a big file, you
can get a slight "pause" in the middle when the other disc spinn up.

I did this with the solaris managment console when I set it up, so I think
it's LVM. Those files I have been trying to get hold of, but that directory is
 not readable. (unfortunatly) I am running a fsck right now, it is not done yet
and maybe, maybe it will make some of the data available again.

assuming the worst, i.e the files are gone. Can I use the SMC again to
set it up the same way but not creating a filesystem on the drives. would
that make the data readable?
As of mount point or what the metadevice is called, does it matter?

regards
Daniel


author: Mark

text:
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:25:34 +0200, Daniel Kjellin
<[email]> wrote:

add a few more copies of your metadb's around just incase but apart
from that it should be fine.

Mark


text:
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:58:19 +0200, Daniel Kjellin
<[email]> wrote:

Daniel
	when you init the db's make sure that you init with say about
3 copies on each slice that you are using for a metadb. Also, if you
do a search here or on docs.sun.com, there is a setting that you can
put in /etc/system which will let a system boot if less then 50% of
the state replica databases are available. Did you put the metadb's on
a raw slice all by there lonesome or on a cooked one ?

Mark


text:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:48:46 GMT, Another Tom
<[email]> wrote:

concat ?

if you were using ODS/SDS you need to get hold of
/etc/opt/SUNWmd/md.cfg
or LVM
/etc/lvm/md.cfg

these contain the configuration of your software raids.

when you have rebuilt the system, plug the disks back in ( so that
they are the same ontrollers, etc) setup a metadb, copy the relevant
settings from the old md.cfg to /etc..../md.tab
and
metainit -a
cross your fingers

and mount the filesystems as per the old /etc/vfstab


text:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:24:36 +0200, Daniel Kjellin
<[email]> wrote:

Well unless you can get hold of either /etc/lvm/md.cfg or
/etc/lvm/md.tab ( if you updated it ) its kinda hard to guess the
interlace size or offsets or pretty much anything as to the
configuration of the 'stripe/concat/raid' partition.

Try initing a metadevice with a 32b interlace over the disks that you
know were your 'stipe/concat' and then doing an fstyp on the device to
see if its actually got a filesystem on it. Then I suspose you could
mount it -oro and have a look to see if its actually a filesystem or
garbage.


author: Michael Law

subject: Need help with arguement

text:
I was telling my friend the other day about one the delights from my youth,
what can only be described as "Chocolate Concrete with strawberry custard".

Now, said friend mocked me and called me "the sort of person who remembers
C64 games as wonderfully colourful rather than strangely brown".  Is he
right?  I am positive at school luncheon we did dine upon Chocolate
Concrete and strawberry custard.

Please help.

Mikey!

Erm, The Pyramid was an excellent game isn't someone remaking it, or
something


author: Llama-Wax Len

subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
"Michael Law" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns922D936F52EBBmichaellawbdrcareers@194.152.65.250...
youth,
custard".

That sounds like a truly depraved sexual act to me.

Len


author: Steve Farrell

subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
At some point in the past (Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:31:49 GMT, as it
happens), somebody called Michael Law <[email]> made the
following views known to all at comp.sys.sinclair

I reserve the right to use the above insult in the next CSS/CSC flame war.
You know, if there is one.

Steve


author: Steve Anderson

subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
"Michael Law" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns922D936F52EBBmichaellawbdrcareers@194.152.65.250...
youth,
custard".

YES! That's put into words something I've tried to think of a description
for before! School dinners, early 80s, yep?

There was strawberry custard and occasionally chocolate custard (at least
that's what they claimed it was), and there was also chocolate concrete -
which sucked the moisture out of the custard to rehydrate itself, and there
were another couple of concretes that headed toward flapjack-ness.

There were a couple of other slab-style puddings as well, that I remember -
a butterscotchy thing on pastry (you were always shafted if you got a corner
from the tray), and a vile lemon curd thing with what can only be described
as meringuey cack on top.

But the point of all this is that you're right!

Steve


author: Nick Fleming

subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
There was a biscuity thing with a cherry in the
middle if you didnt like the concrete. It was a pale
pinky brown too. Looked a bit like a tit actually


author: Chris Young

subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:15:14 +0000 (UTC), Steve Farrell ate a Rolo, and turned into...
Steve Farrell-Man!  A super-hero with the power to write complete crap
to comp.sys.sinclair, such as this gem:

I found some good ammo (I think it has been used before though) - if
you type a certain number into BASIC the machine will crash.

Chris


subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
Through a drunken haze I vaguely remember Steve Farrell saying...

Yes, it wasn't meant as a flame, in much the same way that "the sort of
person who remembers Spectrum games as wonderfully musical rather than
mono-six-channels-my-arse" is.

More importantly does CCWPC exist?

Mikey!


author: Orinoco

subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
Steve Anderson's bullets cannot harm me, my wings are like a shield of
steel

I also remember something like this at school. It would have been around
85-86 or so, and it would have been one of the very few days when I didn't
take a packed lunch (more as a security precaution than anything else), but
there was definitely something chocolatey and yet strangely durable and
something pink and undefinable (except possibly in terms of custard) in my
pudding bowl on the way back from the canteen. I think the chocolatey thing
was made with digestive biscuits or something crushed up and then sort of
frozen into blocks, what the pink stuff was god only knows. Hope this helps
with your argument, Mikey. Of course I could just have introduced a
hitherto unknown school-meals monstrosity on the world of CSS, in which
case I apologise.


author: "Eq Tetrachloride"

subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
"Steve Anderson" <[email]> wrote:

Ew, yes. This brings back memories.

The kitchen workers, whom I remember as massive, gap-toothed harridans,
would state "A little or a lot?" as they dumped enormous portions of
something horrific onto your plate. My pet hates were the meatballs and
inadequately mashed potatoes. The hard potato bits within were known as
"bogies".

The vileness of the puddings (for they were too stodgy to be called
desserts) was sometimes such that we would be unable to finish them, upon
which Mrs McL---- would swoop across and remind us that we had to finish
before going out to play. (This was not only a threat but a lie. If you
waited long enough, one of the more kind-hearted dinner ladies would clear
the table and you would be excused.)

I also remember sitting next to a boy who said, "My dad's a werewolf."

Eq.


author: Lee Prince

subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
comp.sys.sinclair, drinks are free...
Fun and sunshine, there's enough for Nick Fleming...

You must know some extremely strange-breasted women.


subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
At some point in the past (Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:55:22 GMT, as it happens),
somebody called Michael Law <[email]> made the following views
known to all at comp.sys.sinclair

Oh, I know. It just seems like such a good insult to use on them.

I recall something about a pink custard-like substance with some kind of
brick that resembled chocolate. So I believe it exists, but I don't know
what it was called.

Steve


subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:26:47 +0000 (UTC), Eq Tetrachloride ate a Rolo, and turned into...
Eq Tetrachloride-Man!  A super-hero with the power to write complete crap
to comp.sys.sinclair, such as this gem:

I recall fishcakes, some swirly grilled mashed potato (or at least
that's what it looked like) and flapjack type things for pudding.

The puddings were the best bit quite often - although that wasn't
saying much.

We used to "stalk" one of the dinnerladies when she was on playground
duty.  Her name, I forget.

I do recall the sick-inducing smell around the back of the canteen
though.

Chris


subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
"Eq Tetrachloride" <eq@@cl4.org> wrote in message
news:aed5g7$ad6$[email]...

You are Edgar Allan Poe and I claim my ten pounds.

Further proof of your being Mr Poe!

Steve


subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
..sorry.. i was going to reply but I
started day-dreaming about "strange-breasted" women.

As Lister from RedDwarf would say.. "imagine
making love to a woman with three breasts"

Ok I admit it. I need help :-)


subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
"Steve Anderson" <[email]> wrote in message
news:aed5ui$607l1$[email]...

Who you callin Poe, richboy?

Gangsta-Wax Len


subject: Re: Need help with arguement

text:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:23:10 +0100, Nick Fleming ate a Rolo, and turned into...
Nick Fleming-Man!  A super-hero with the power to write complete crap
to comp.sys.sinclair, such as this gem:

Or, as Lister from CSS would say... "heheheh  bast :p"

Chris


author: James Lefavour

subject: Re: Power supply slows down PC ?

text:
Hehe - not bad... but here's one...

I built a machine (from the ground up)... video, sound and modem cards
installed ( a PII :( as well). Plugged in all the cables, checked all
the jumpers etc... plugged it in, turned it on, and nothing.. not even
a beep. Pulled out things one at a time, and went down to just the
cpu. Still nothing. Everything was brand new, but I switched the MB
and Cpu, and still nothing - then I noticed that the power supply had
it's switch set to 215(don't remember exact number) instead of 115
hehe

On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:09:22 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email]>
wrote:

remove "nospam." from email for personal response


author: Walt Haas

subject: Cable testers

text:
I'm shopping for a good way to test coax and twisted pair cables used in
Ethernet, Arcnet and broadband.  One way would be to spend a lot of money for
a large, heavy TDR that would give me lots of information.  But there are now
on the market units that send a pulse down the cable and tell you on a little
display whether a reflection came back and whether it represents a short or
open.  This gives you some information, less than a TDR would give you but
maybe enough to solve most problems.  In particular I'm looking at a thing
called a Cable Scanner built by a company called M-Test.  Does anybody in
netland have one of these?  Who are their competitors?  What percentage of
problems can be solved this way, vs. what percentage need the full TDR
treatment?

Thanks in advance for any beta -- Walt Haas  [email]  utah-cs!haas


author: John G. De Armond

subject: Re: Cable testers

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Walt Haas) writes:

I've observerd the Cable Scanner in use and have used it a bit.  My general
impression is that it is useful for determining the length of a known good
cable and for finding catastrophic failures (cuts, shorts, etc) but for
the problems we've had, it has been of little use.  The catastrophic
failures can usually be observed visually (someone ran a chair over the
cable, etc).  When the failures are marginal or intermittent, these little
pocket instruments leave a lot to be desired.  A crushed cable or an
intermittent connector or an improperly crimped connector will not show
up on these boxes unless the condition is bad.

What you have to do is determine whether the threshold of detection is
in the same ballpark as when the tranceivers quit working.  I've found
little to beat the 'O-scope based units, especially the ones like the
Tektronics scope with the strip-chart option.  You can literally
detect non-intrusive bending of a cable with this unit.  Connectors - even
correctly crimped ones - show up clearly.  And since you can make hardcopy,
you can build a history file of each cable.  This history is the
absolute best way to quickly diagnose changes.  You can also quickly
detect unauthorized new taps with little trouble.

If your budget can handle it, get both instruments.  If you can only
afford one, get the scope.  It is more than worth the effort in
handling.

John


author: Dan Benderly

subject: Re: Cable testers

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Walt Haas) writes:

I have used both a full-blown TDR and, more recently, a product called the
Hand Scanner (I don't remember off-hand who the manufacturer is.  If there
is interest I will lokk it up & post it).  I was very happy with the hand
scanner.  It costs ~$1200, and did everything I needed it to do.  It will detectan open or a close, and tell you how far away the condition is.  It is *very*
easy to use.  If you have an old oscilloscope (or a new one, I suppose), the
product will let you attach it & function as a full-blown TDR (I haven't tried
this function, but that's what the manual says).  You can hook up a printer or
PC to it, obtaining a record similar to that produced by the Tektronix strip-
printer output.  All in all, I am a very happy customer.

Disclaimer:  I have only used the product on coax.  While they claim that it
can help with TP, I haven't tried it.  I have no vested interest in this companyother than their survival so that they can provide support :-)

Dan

[email]


author: Ron Natalie

subject: Re: Cable testers

text:
Cabletron makes a relatively inexpensive TDR that is good for
both Ethernet (and I believe 75 Ohm cables as well).  We've
got one, but I'm not sure that we've made real good use of it.
Generally, it reassures us that there is nothing wrong with the
cable.  It is useful for figuring out when someone has broken
your thinnet or unhooked the terminator.  These handheld units
can probably do that as well.

-Ron


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Cable testers

text:
I recently purchased one of Micro-Test's Cable Scanners.  So far, it has
been very usful in finding breaks in our twisted pair cable environment.
It appears to be very flexible for many types of cable, and can be
calibrated for any other types.  (It has Thick/Thin Ethernet, ArcNet, Twisted
Pair parameters in memory).
   The instrument will also do some other non-TDR features, such as measure
IEEE 802.3 traffic on a cable, and determine some RS-232 conditions (baud,
handshaking, etc..).  All in all a good unit.

(Don't bother getting the "large case" though, it's just a 35mm camera bag...)

------------------

Jeff Autor
[email]
at the University of Illinois

also affiliated with Valmont Electric, Danville, IL

Opinions expressed are my own.


author: Howard J. Postley

subject: Re: Cable testers

text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (Walt Haas) writes:

I have a couple Cable Scanners. I think that they're a great deal. I also
have a full TDR which I hardly ever need anymore. The Cable Scanner and
Sniffer pretty much solve all of my problems. I don't know who M-Test's
real competition is but I have seen the box being OEMed by a bunch of people.
I'll be selling my TDR, in fact I think that we already did - it isn't
necessary anymore.

//hjp


subject: Re: Cable testers

text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (John G. De Armond) writes:

This is 100% contrary to what I have found. We use our for exactly what is
described above, and it works great! The only problem is that it tells you
that there is a problem, but not in which direction so you have to move it to
another test point. Crushed cables, bad crimps, and bad connectors and Ts are
very hard to find visually. The cable scanner may ignore them on a first pass
but if you adjust the tollerance threshold, it will tell you if your cable
doesn't meet the spec for it's type, even if it's a perfectly good cable.
The cable scanner knows what the impedance is supposed to be, what the
tollerances are supposed to be. It has a toggle for teflon and PVC cable
to accomodate for the minor differences between them.

The cable scanner has a way to plug it into a normal o-scope to get this kind
of information. The price difference is significant, to say the least. It
also has an interface to a PC (and the software to use it) which can add
histrories and a good bit of other information.

Our budget could afford it and we found that the duplicity was totally
unnecessary. We felt that our money was much better spent on an ethernet
analyzer than on more cable analysis equipment. Tek makes some great stuff
but the price you pay is based on something else, especially in this case.
You could easily duplicate that kind of unit by integrating several pieces
for less than 20% of the cost. Maybe closer to 10%. The thing is, you could
afford to buy several cable scanners and have a bunch of people checking
the various subnets of a new installation at the same time; that will also
save you money.

//hjp


author: Mike Mitchell

subject: VB.Net versus classic VB: Which is harder to learn?

text: I assert that VB.Net is harder to learn than classic VB. Who agrees? Who disagrees?


author: Tom Shelton

subject: Re: VB.Net versus classic VB: Which is harder to learn?

text:
"Mike Mitchell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
disagrees?

Disagree - but you probably knew I'd say that.

Tom Shelton


author: Max Bolingbroke

text:
I disagree. It may be harder to learn the basics (OO keywords and concepts for example), but from there on you have a whole bunch of stuff presented in a logical, object oriented way that just wasnt there for VB6. This means you can accomplish many tasks far more easily, making for a gentler learning curve.

Max Bolingbroke


author: Dan

text:
In article <a__T8.57$[email]>, [email] says...

It depends, of course where you are coming from. If you are coming from
a Java world or even C, you will probably feel at home a lot quicker
than if you have years of VB under your belt and try to learn it. I
would think that - after learing the habits of VB - it will be more
difficult to "unlearn" those things and learn to do things the .Net way.


author: Greg Reed

text:
As a VB programmer who has recently started learning Java, I find myself
longing for such OO features as inheritance and polymorphism in VB.  While I
haven't yet had much time to explore VB.NET, I'm looking forward to being
able to implement true OO design in my VB apps.  (Not to mention the ability
to "collapse" sections of code, making for a much cleaner and easier to use
IDE, IMHO.)

Now if only Microsoft would see fit to include support for control arrays in
Access...

- Greg Reed

"Max Bolingbroke" <[email]> wrote in message
news:afmi2f$s2t$[email]...
disagrees?

I disagree. It may be harder to learn the basics (OO keywords and concepts
for example), but from there on you have a whole bunch of stuff presented in
a logical, object oriented way that just wasnt there for VB6. This means you
can accomplish many tasks far more easily, making for a gentler learning
curve.

Max Bolingbroke


text:
"Dan" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Who

Maybe or Maybe not.  But given two clueless newbie's, I would bet that it
would be easier to learn VB.NET than VB.CLASSIC - which is what the original
question implies in my mind.

Tom Shelton


author: marty mcmahone

text:
"Dan" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

That's going to be true of any language, though.  I've had semesters where I
teach VB, Java and C++ -- I'm never quite sure what my syntax should be.  It
requires some "unlearning," but it's relatvely easy to do.  I've been
teaching myself VB.Net over the last four weeks, and have found it very easy
to pick up.  I wish there were a little better help along the lines of "if
you used to do this in VB, now do this in VB.Net" but that really doesn't
get to the original question anyway.

If you compared two complete newbies learning the language, I think .Net
would be just as easy.  Especially if they already knew OOP.  But you could
still do VB.Net without really understanding OOP, much like many people did
with VB.  It just makes for uglier, less supportable code.

Marty


author: Simon

subject: Univers - Export CSV with commas in numbers colums

text:
I know how to export a CSV file of data from Universe, but I would
like to have the colums contiaing numbers, having commas in for these
values when opening the file in Excel.

eg:
Name           Qty
Bike          2,000
Pedals       16,000
Handle Bars     427


author: Gulraj Rijhwani

subject: Re: Univers - Export CSV with commas in numbers colums

text:
On 11 Nov, in article
     <[email]>
     [email] "Simon" wrote:

That's a formatting issue within Excel.


author: Cristian Clavero

text:
What about this:

"2,000","16,000","427"

It works with Excel 2000

Regards,

Cristian Clavero

[email] (Simon) wrote in message news:<[email]>...


author: Terry Dinham

subject: network hubs - 10 to 100 base t

text:
Hi,

We have about 12 PC's connected to a central server and wish to concert a
bunch of power users to 100 base T from 10 base T.  We were going to change
the existing hub (cheap and nasty) for a compaq netelligent 2824 or 2724
managed 100/10 auto sensing unit. Any suggestions?

Please reply to [email]

Thanks.


author: Ronald O. Christian

subject: no sound on laptop!

text:
This is driving me crazy.  I have everything working with Red Hat 7.1
on a Portege 300CT except sound.  The system beep even works, as it
beeps at two parts of the startup sequence.  But any program that
touches /dev/dsp or it's ilk returns the error "no such device".

sndconfig doesn't detect the card.  According to info on
www.linux-laptop.net my laptop has an opl3sa2 soundcard.  After a bit
of experimentation, I could get the opl3sa2 module to install with the
following:

modprobe opl3sa2 irq=5 dma=0 dma2=1 mpu_io=0x330 io=0x370 isapnp=1

lsmod shows the opl3sa2 module loaded:

opl3sa2                 7808   0  (unused)
ad1848                 17744   0  [opl3sa2]
mpu401                 19504   0  [opl3sa2]
sound                  62112   0  [opl3sa2 ad1848 mpu401]
ide-cd                 27104   1  (autoclean)
cdrom                  27392   0  (autoclean) [ide-cd]
soundcore               4432   2  (autoclean) [sound]
autofs                 11136   1  (autoclean)
appletalk              20048   0  (autoclean)
ipx                    15904   0  (autoclean)
3c589_cs                8256   1
ds                      7184   2  [3c589_cs]
i82365                 13504   2
pcmcia_core            43456   0  [3c589_cs ds i82365]
ipchains               38944   0  (unused)
usb-ohci               17264   0  (unused)
usbcore                49632   1  [usb-ohci]

But "play sample.au" gives the error '/dev/dsp': no such device

(/dev/dsp does exist, major 14 minor 3, but obviously something else
is wrong.)

The kernel has not been recompiled.  I was under the impression that
it doesn't have to.

What do I try next?

Help, please.

		Ron
www.europa.com/~ronc
"If UN peacekeeping had been involved during the US civil war,
it'd still be going on today."


author: peter pilsl

subject: Re: no sound on laptop!

text:
Ronald O. Christian wrote:

imho you shouldnt need to specify all the settings on a pnp-pci card. What
happens if you perform modprobe opl3sa2 without the rattail ?

/dev/dsp might  be a symlink to /dev/dsp0 (or 1 or 2 ...)
Is the target ok ? For testing I would chmod 777 this devices.
Depending on your machine write-access for the actual user might not be
sufficiant.

hope this helps,
peter

god bless america and let them produce and sell even more weapons to fight
against in ten years like they always did in the past.


author: Joost Kremers

subject: Re: no sound on laptop!

text:
Ronald O Christian <[email]> wrote:

maybe you already checked this, but do you have write permissions to /dev/dsp?


subject: Re: no sound on laptop!

text:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 20:48:37 +0200, peter pilsl <[email]>
wrote:

Actually, I solved the problem by buying the OSS driver, but thanks
anyway.

Well.... yeah.  It's a bit embarrassing.

		Ron
www.europa.com/~ronc
"If UN peacekeeping had been involved during the US civil war,
it'd still be going on today."


subject: Re: no sound on laptop!

text:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:56:12 +0000 (UTC), Joost Kremers
<[email]> wrote:

Thanks for responding.  Current permissions:
[root@localhost]# ls -ldgt /dev/dsp
crw-------    1 roc      root      14,   3 Mar 23  2001 /dev/dsp

If I change permissions to 666 (I tried again just now) the results
are the same.

		Ron
www.europa.com/~ronc
"If UN peacekeeping had been involved during the US civil war,
it'd still be going on today."


subject: Re: no sound on laptop!

text:
Ronald O Christian <[email]> wrote:

i'm not sure if it's a good idea to change permissions of the device
to 666... AFAIK the normal way to get write permissions to a device is
to give write permissions to the device's group, and then add the
user(s) you want to be able to use sound to that group.

i also find it strange that the owner of the device is not root, and
that the group of /dev/dsp *is* root. but maybe that's just how RH is
set up.

to be honest, i have no idea what else could be wrong...


subject: Re: no sound on laptop!

text:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:19:24 +0000 (UTC), Joost Kremers
<[email]> wrote:

You're right, that's what the documentation says.  I wouldn't normally
leave it like that, but only set it that way to be certain that
whatever process was able to write to it.

I think the first user to access the device owns it, but I'm not
really sure.  I'm logged in as "roc", and su'd to root, so I ought to
be able to write to the device.

Well, thanks again for responding.

		Ron
www.europa.com/~ronc
"If UN peacekeeping had been involved during the US civil war,
it'd still be going on today."


subject: Re: no sound on laptop!

text:
Ronald O Christian <[email]> wrote:

yes... i also see (more or less) what RH does: when you use the sound
device, you are made the owner of it. given that fact, you shouldnt
have to su to root to use the sound device.

anyway, come to think of it, if it were a permission problem, you
would be getting a "permission denied" message, not "no such device".

have you tried the sound HOWTO? that is the only thing i could point
you to... http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO/. (there are also
downloadable versions available.)


author: Vlastimil Adamovsky

subject: What about redesigning Smalltalk?

text:
We have receivers and messages....
Receivers are "nouns" and messages "verbs"...
What if receivers were "verbs" and messages "nouns"... ?

I think, it would more generic....Maybe some some kind LispTalk ?

Vlastik


author: David Simmons

subject: Re: What about redesigning Smalltalk?

text:
"Vlastimil Adamovsky" <[email]> wrote in message
news:3dd025f8$[email]...

You are describing a "functional" view as opposed to Smalltalk's
"behavioral" view.

In a unified system like SmallScript these turn out to be one and the same
thing. The conceptual difference is in how functionality is organized and
bound to data/types/predicate-equations.

"functional"
    find-possibly-applicable-function-by-context [possible ordered]
        best-fit-by-predicates [typically types - multi-methods]

"behavioral"
    find-possible-applicable-function-by-receiver [always a receiver]
        best-fit-by-predicates [arbitrary predicates (incl. caller token)]

There is always a receiver, because classes are namespaces, so functions are
just methods on a namespace. Therefore, the receiver of a function is its
namespace.

Behavior [as seen from a meta-scope (module)]
    all-possible-methods
        merge-all-meta-scopes
            merge-all-scopes
                merge-all-other-predicates

The above is a terse outline of the SmallScript view. Deeper exploration
leads to the recognition that inheritance should take precedence over scope
in method ordering. Which leads to the conclusion that it is more efficient
and correct to optimize an implementation for behavior grouping of methods.

With the presence of selector namespaces the unification is complete for
modular/functional implementation and avoids some inherent (compositional)
design limitations of a functional only model.

-- Dave S. [www.smallscript.org]


subject: Re: What about redesigning Smalltalk?

text:
I have tried to play with Smallscript, but since I am rather busy I would
appreciate some
simple tutorial.... It is quite frustrating to work thru the beta version by
guessing :)
Is there some reference manual or something? The online help is half
empty...
When will you release a documented production version?

Vlastik

"David Simmons" <[email]> wrote in message
news:BcYz9.1352$1O2.295@sccrnsc04...
are
scope
efficient
methods.


subject: Re: What about redesigning Smalltalk?

text:
"Vlastimil Adamovsky" <[email]> wrote in message
news:3dd05cde$[email]...
by

I can fully appreciate that.

One of the intentional goals for SmallScript was to start with a minimum of
tools and materials and learn what was absolutely essential and what
features in the language itself could be enhanced to facilitate development
through language facilities alone.

We are working towards a general release in coming months [probably between
3-6 months from now for the GA version]. We are focused on completing the
technology core which includes a .NET implementation, website + community
repository, and corresponding basic toolset. The .NET tech-preview is
roughly 6-weeks away.

The documentation activities have been moving along slowly because other
functional elements are more pressing for our internal requirements. Which
is another way of saying that they are probably the elements which will be
the final stage of cleanup and preparation for general release.

The process of writing the documentation itself tends to tighten up the
design and re-inforce the need to refactor various elements -- so it is a
critical stage of the process.

The other issue is that there is an enormous body of work encompassed in the
SmallScript system design. It has been my expectation from the start that,
following a GA release, I would spend a number of years writing books and
related materials and the principles and facilities within it.

-- Dave S. [www.smallscript.org]

same
and
token)]
its
(compositional)


author: Tom Sorensen

subject: Wildcards (* instead of *.*)

text:
This issue was raised a few months ago, but I'm going to raise (or perhaps
raze <g>) it again... I would *REALLY* like to see an option in 4DOS to make
* work like *.* does. It would have to be an option due to possible compatibilty
conflicts.

When this was last discussed the final word was "4DOS isn't Unix." Well I agree
and am quite glad about that. The reason I want * to act as *.* is because
that's how OS/2 (and 4OS2) work. It'd make it more consistant if I was able
to use the same wildcards in the same places.

So, how's about it?
            Tom Sorensen


author: Robert A. G. Seely

subject: Re: Wildcards (* instead of *.*)

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Tom Sorensen) writes:

OH BOY - Yes I agree (I was one of the folk in favour of this last time
round, I'm afraid...)  Here is a new argument for this most desirable
option:  4DOS already allows * to act as *.* in dir listings.  So once the
idea is possible, why not have it as an option for other purposes.  An
OPTION, mind, for those who don't want COMMAND.COM compatibility down the
line.  (What is this COMMAND.COM anyway? - I seem to find it littering up my
root directory, but cannot find any use for it ;-} ) (I answer this myself -
it is a program my "friends" put on their systems to keep me away from their
computers.)

- rags


author: John Lynker

subject: Re: Wildcards (* instead of *.*)

text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (Robert A. G. Seely) writes:
|> In article <[email]> [email] (Tom Sorensen) writes:
|> >This issue was raised a few months ago, but I'm going to raise (or perhaps
|> >raze <g>) it again... I would *REALLY* like to see an option in 4DOS to make
|> >* work like *.* does. It would have to be an option due to possible compatibilty
|> >conflicts.
|> >
|> >When this was last discussed the final word was "4DOS isn't Unix." Well I agree
|> >and am quite glad about that. The reason I want * to act as *.* is because
|> >that's how OS/2 (and 4OS2) work. It'd make it more consistant if I was able
|> >to use the same wildcards in the same places.
|> >
|> >So, how's about it?
|> >            Tom Sorensen
|> >--
|>
|> OH BOY - Yes I agree (I was one of the folk in favour of this last time
|> round, I'm afraid...)  Here is a new argument for this most desirable
|> option:  4DOS already allows * to act as *.* in dir listings.  So once the
|> idea is possible, why not have it as an option for other purposes.  An
|> OPTION, mind, for those who don't want COMMAND.COM compatibility down the
|> line.  (What is this COMMAND.COM anyway? - I seem to find it littering up my
|> root directory, but cannot find any use for it ;-} ) (I answer this myself -
|> it is a program my "friends" put on their systems to keep me away from their
|> computers.)
|>
|> - rags

COMMAND.COM - it tests your del command - i.e.:

global /i del command.com > bgates.com

... or maybe it's a virus ...

safest just to delete it.

JPL


author: Dot Kom

subject: >>>Unique and Simple Question<<<

text:
Ok, here is what i'm trying to do, I have a flash animation in a layer, when
you go to a page the flash animation plays and fades to transparent so you
can see the content on the page. This works fine, I want to take it a step
further though. I will create the same animation but in reverse, i want this
to play when a person clicks on a link to go to another page in my site. so
this is how it will work, I'll have two layers, "intro" and "outro" lets
say. the intro will play when a person gets to a page, the outro when a
person leaves a page. the animation is about 2.5 seconds long though so i
need to hold the person on the current page while it plays and then let them
go to what they clicked on. Pain in the butt i know but i just wanna do it.
Please let me know what the best way is to do this. Thanks for all of your
help

Jason


author: Jim Ley

subject: Re: >>>Unique and Simple Question<<<

text:
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:34:47 -0500, "Dot Kom" <[email]>
wrote:

Please use sensible subject lines... your question is neither unique,
and you are surely not in a position to judge that it is simple since
you do not know the answer.

You cannot force the user to do anything, the "solution" would be to
not use regular links of the page, but link everything through your
2.5 sec delay.

Jim.