author: Sewuni

subject: Re: Major League S.E.X

text:
waaaaaaaaaaaa I still don't have my November issue.  I normally get them by
mail the weekend before my newsstand puts it on the shelf, but still no sign of
it after almost 3 weeks.  I've got something else that I'm impatiently waiting
on but hasn't arrived either.  Guess I've got to set some heads at my post
office rolling!

Jennifer
October Goals:
20 Hours Kokopelli
20 Hours LOTF
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author: Amy or Brian

subject: Re: Major League S.E.X

text:
Well, they're "new to me"!  Both are by a local company called Eventie
Designs in Plymouth MA.  One is entitled Plymouth Mass and the other is
Autumn Sampler.  Both look like they could be done in a weekend.

-Amy

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author: jillz

subject: Re: Major League S.E.X

text:
In article <F1Yn9.59307$xI5.11754@sccrnsc02>, Amy or Brian
<[email]> wrote:

I just bought the Plymouth, MA needleroll too. When DH and I move back
to the US we are planning on settling in Plymouth. Close enough to Mom
on Cape Cod and far enough away to have our own life! Plus I hear there
is a great LNS there!

cheers
jillz


subject: Re: Major League S.E.X

text:
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There IS! It's my favorite LNS.....The Sampler.  The ladies' there are very
helpful, they have great selection, and they'll order anything for you.
Also, there overall stock really appeals to my taste.  You'll have to email
me when you move out here!

-Amy


author: Bob Bethune

subject: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
I'm looking to buy a match rifle, and I've heard great things about the
rifles made by Tubbs. However, I can't seem to find them anywhere on the
Web. Do the Tubbs people just not have a website, or are they gone, or
what's up? Where do I find information on rifles such as the Tubbs 2000?

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author: Tiger

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
Bob Bethune wrote:

Hmmmm, try Tubbs gun cabinet. It's next to the washing machine and
................

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author: Suburban

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
http://www.zediker.com/tubb/tubbmain.html

I suppose you just get them to send one to a local FFL holder or gun
shop.  You may have to wait a while for one to be available.

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author: Bart B.

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
Go to this web site for info on the Tubb 2000 rifle:

http://www.zediker.com/tubb/tubbgun.html

I first met David Tubb back in the early 1970s when he was just a kid
winning lots of matches along with his parents George and Pauline.  A
bit snobbish and cocky at times and well known for bending rules if
not actually cheating in competition, David does build one heck of a
match rifle.

David Tubb likes to shoot something that does so both very well and
very fast.  He never liked having to operate a bolt rapid fire because
he would rather spend as much time as possible holding and squeezing.
His semiauto rifles are an extension of this process.

After one learns how accurate other highpower match rifles are
compared to the  Tubb 2000, one then knows that others are just as
accurate at a much reduced cost.  For example, the above web site
shows a 3-inch spotter with 23 holes in it from a 40-shot string that
David shot just practicing.  This means that 16 shots missed the
spotter; one was where the spindle was poked into.  It all adds up to
40 shots going into probably about 4 inches.  I watched Corky Tyson
shoot the 200-19X record at 600 yards with his Model 70 and all twenty
of his shots were inside 4 inches.  Mid Tompkins tested his Model 70
at 600 yards some years ago and put 40 consecutive shots inside 2
inches on more than one occasion.  And Bob Jensen ran a 20-round box
of new, unfired cases with metered charges (not weighed) through his
Winchester at 600 yards into well under 3 inches.

Putting a bit over half ones shots in the 3-inch spotter at a 600-yard
match happens; I've done that myself.  It's very normal for what's
possible with any number of top-quality bolt action match rifles in
the hands of many top shooters.  I coached Lones Wigger (international
smallbore champion) into doing it some years ago at the Nationals and
he said it was almost as much fun as winning a gold medal at the
Olympics.  But putting a hole in the spotter when it's in the 9 ring
ain't fun at all.

I'm not impressed by the hole-filled spotter in the above web site (as
one can readily figure out).  But it does make folks want a Tubb 2000
when they aren't aware of what else can be had.  Note that nobody has
made the US Palma Team shooting an AR15, M16 or any of their variants.

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author: David Wisniewski

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
http://www.zediker.com/tubb/tubbgun.html

http://www.davidtubb.com

McBros makes the rifle - http://www.mcbrosrifles.com

Thought to be honest, how %$@! difficult is it to type in the word "tubb
2000" or "david tubb" in a search engine?

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author: Rigger

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
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In article <bb3vvc$6t6$[email]>, Bob Bethune
<[email]> wrote:

# I'm looking to buy a match rifle, and I've heard great things about the
# rifles made by Tubbs. However, I can't seem to find them anywhere on the
# Web. Do the Tubbs people just not have a website, or are they gone, or
# what's up? Where do I find information on rifles such as the Tubbs 2000?

"Tubb", as in G. David Tubb.

<http://www.zediker.com/tubb/tubbgun.html>


author: Bill Poole

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
# I'm looking to buy a match rifle, and I've heard great things about the
# rifles made by Tubbs. However, I can't seem to find them anywhere on the
# Web. Do the Tubbs people just not have a website, or are they gone, or
# what's up? Where do I find information on rifles such as the Tubbs 2000?

Several shooters out here use them.

Tubb designed it, McMillans makes them... wait here...

http://www.mcmfamily.com/

found it:

http://www.mcbrosrifles.com/tubb_2000.htm

ooohhhhh that looks nice!!!

the guy I shoot with have green on!

good shooting

Poole
http://arizona.rifleshooting.com/

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author: JCKRigby

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
"Bob Bethune" wrote in message ...
# I'm looking to buy a match rifle, and I've heard great
things about the
# rifles made by Tubbs. However, I can't seem to find them
....
<snip, snip>

Try:

http://www.mcbrosrifles.com/tubb_2000.htm

I am not sure if the retail is exclusive to McMillan, but
they are the manufacturer of sorts.

Mr. Tubb's idea of a match rifle, though I think he won most
of his titles with various other designs.

JCK

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author: Bert Hyman

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
[posted and mailed]

[email] (Bob Bethune) wrote in news:bb3vvc$6t6$1
@grapevine.wam.umd.edu:

#  Do the Tubbs people just not have a website, or are they gone, or
# what's up? Where do I find information on rifles such as the Tubbs 2000?

http://www.zediker.com/tubb/tubbgun.html
http://www.davidtubb.com/

You probably missed it because he's David Tubb, not Tubbs.


author: Tod Glenn

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
In article <bb3vvc$6t6$[email]>,
 "Bob Bethune" <[email]> wrote:

# I'm looking to buy a match rifle, and I've heard great things about the
# rifles made by Tubbs. However, I can't seem to find them anywhere on the
# Web. Do the Tubbs people just not have a website, or are they gone, or
# what's up? Where do I find information on rifles such as the Tubbs 2000?

http://www.zediker.com/tubb/tubbgun.html


author: John Cowart

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
Bob Bethune wrote:
#
# I'm looking to buy a match rifle, and I've heard great things about the
# rifles made by Tubbs. However, I can't seem to find them anywhere on the
# Web.

http://www.zediker.com/tubb/tubbgun.html and http://www.davidtubb.com

John Cowart

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author: NotClauswitz

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
#I'm looking to buy a match rifle, and I've heard great things about the
#rifles made by Tubbs. However, I can't seem to find them anywhere on the
#Web. Do the Tubbs people just not have a website, or are they gone, or
#what's up? Where do I find information on rifles such as the Tubbs 2000?

A friend of mine has one of his old rifles in 6.5x-something. The web-presence
is kind of convoluted.  There used to be some rifles advertised for sale, at
least a couple years ago.
http://www.zediker.com/tubb/tubbmain.html
http://www.zediker.com/tubb/tubbgun.html

and the TubbTactical:
http://www.zediker.com/tubb/tubbtactical1.html

HTH

k.
mtn. view
NRA, CRPA - Life, GOA, GOC, SJ Zouaves

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author: Louis Boyd

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
Bart B. wrote:

# Note that nobody has
# made the US Palma Team shooting an AR15, M16 or any of their variants.

Isn't that because Palma is restricted to .308/155gn ammo?


author: Robert Bethune

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
It's a simple mistake. If you think the guy's name is Tubbs, and you
go searching for the "Tubbs 2000" rifle, you're going to discover that
you hit just enough web pages that share your misconception to make
you think you're on the right track, but without actually leading you
to the right page.

It has nothing to do with being computer illiterate or stupid. It has
a lot to do with being a human being. Unlike poster. Go try it,
poster. Learn something for a change. Ears open, mouth shut. Good
starting point.

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author: PapaBear

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
Awwwwh, go easy guy. A lot of good folks are barely computer lit. and don't
even know what a search engine is! My wife for one. She's on the web daily
looking at recipes and home and garden stuff and sends a few emails. If she
asks me something and I tell her to do a Google she starts doing some crazy
dance.  [=^)  Anyone else here ever done the Google?
When is it time to change the oil in your search engine?

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subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
I'll fill in the blanks:

# # Note that nobody has
# # made the US Palma Team shooting an AR15, M16 or any of their variants.
#
# Isn't that because Palma is restricted to .308/155gn ammo?

For international competition, yes.  The .308 has been the standard
since the 1970s.  It was after Sierra's then new 155-gr. Palma bullet
was first used in competition at the 1991 Rocky Mountain Palma Matches
it became famous.  Top shooters from around the world had never seen a
bullet shoot that good in so many different barrel makes, groove and
bore diameters and chamber dimensions.  Sierra's 155-gr. bullet then
became the international standard.

For USA NRA matches, one can shoot any bullet weight they want to.
David Tubb shot 250-gr. Sierra HPMK's leaving the muzzle at about 2150
fps from a 1:8 twist; did very well indeed with it.  Those long
bullets deflected less from cross winds than what everyone else was
using.

Some years ago, I got the NRA Highpower Committee to take my proposed
rule for a USA Palma rifle.  It allowed either the .308 Win/7.62NATO
or .30-06 cartridge to be used.  I wanted the '06 included so folks
getting their DCM/CMP M1 Garands eligible to shoot the Palma course.
And I wanted folks with .30-06 bolt guns to compete in Palma matches
without having to rebarrel or get another rifle.   This all later
changed and now only the .308 Win. cartridge may be used.

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author: Peter Hauer

subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
Actually, many companies offer an AR 15 rifle in 308 cal.
If indeed none of them have ever made the Palma Team, then this fact would
lend comfort to the bolt action fans.
(I recommend the 308 ar 15 by JP Enterprises)

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subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
They have enought technical savy to know what a Usenet newsgroup is and
how to get their internet client to point to rec.guns but they don't
know what a search engine is?  Please.  I think they're just lazy and
want others to do the work for them.

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subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
In article <bbdroe$7ek$[email]>,
 [email] (Bart B.) wrote:

# # # Note that nobody has
# # # made the US Palma Team shooting an AR15, M16 or any of their variants.
# #
# # Isn't that because Palma is restricted to .308/155gn ammo?
#
# Some years ago, I got the NRA Highpower Committee to take my proposed
# rule for a USA Palma rifle.  It allowed either the .308 Win/7.62NATO
# or .30-06 cartridge to be used.  I wanted the '06 included so folks
# getting their DCM/CMP M1 Garands eligible to shoot the Palma course.
# And I wanted folks with .30-06 bolt guns to compete in Palma matches
# without having to rebarrel or get another rifle.   This all later
# changed and now only the .308 Win. cartridge may be used.

Doesn't the Palma rules mandate only manually operated actions?

http://www.palma.org/USA/rules.htm


subject: Re: Where do I find the Tubbs rifle?

text:
# Actually, many companies offer an AR 15 rifle in 308 cal.
# If indeed none of them have ever made the Palma Team, then this fact would
# lend comfort to the bolt action fans.

ummmmmmm if its big enuf for .308 it is NOT an AR-15 but an AR-10 or SR-25!

Also, US NRA rules for Palma rifle http://www.tngbbs.com/rifle/nra/hp/ allow
any .308 with iron sights so an AR-10 would be permitted,

BUT international Palma rules mandate "The rifle action shall be manually
operated", and since the US team is there TO shoot international Palma they
would not permit someone to tryout with a non-qualifying semi-auto rifle.
http://www.palma.org/USA/rules.htm

NOW.... if you made up a straight pull AR-10.... that likely would be
permitted.

good shooting..

Poole
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author: Glenn Clark

subject: How long before flight

text:
I am going from Gatwick to Jersey next week and wondered how long before the
flight I would have to arrive. would it be the 2 hours for Europe or the 1
hour UK flight?

Many thanks

Glenn


author: Nancy Reagan

subject: Re: How long before flight

text:
On 13 May, 09:09, "Glenn Clark"
<[email]> wrote:

what does the airline say ?


author: Mister B

subject: Re: How long before flight

text:
On May 13, 9:09 am, "Glenn Clark"
<[email]> wrote:

Regardless - reckon on enormous queues to check in and get through
security.

B;


subject: Re: How long before flight

text:
The check in time are different depending on whether it would be classed as
a europe or uk flight. Which 1 would Jersey be classed as?

thanks

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author: jturnmerich

subject: Re: How long before flight

text:
On May 13, 3:35 pm, "Glenn Clark"
<[email]> wrote:

http://planetboracay.blogspot.com
Just like to share this amazing paradise island from the far east of
Asia. See some of the photo collections from aerial to underwater.

Great photos are FREE to COPY!
http://planetboracay.blogspot.com

Get the chance to know about this enchanted island in General
http://planetboracay.blogspot.com/2008/05/boracay-island-overview.html


author: Andrew

subject: Radrar Notes

text:
Hi
I was fortunate to have a selection of Australian $50 notes in my possesion
over this weekend
Looking through I found a radar note
Serial Number as follows
EH97  049940

Note is in great shap with only a center fold  Pick Number 55b
Was wondering about a value for it and if anyone here wis interested in it
Best Regards
Andrew


author: Bill

subject: Re: Radrar Notes

text:
Unfortunately the serial collectors would insist on the 97 being included.
Therefore the note you need would be EH 97  044079 or similar.
Unless it is CFU (Gem UNC) you may as well spend it.

Bill

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subject: Re: Radrar Notes

text:
Hello Bil
Then the radar collectors are not going to find as many radar notes in
Australian as in most other countries as all notes issued in 1997 start with
prefix 97 as this is how the notes are dated
Well that is there problem
Thanks for the info
Best Regards
Andrew

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author: Ed Sullivan

subject: Re: New EAA Oshkosh Admission Policy

text:
I have seen it and I have flown other assholes little children in fact long before the Young Eagles came along. Excuse
the extra post. I thought the computer had swallowed it.
Ed Sullivan


author: Andrew Kator

subject: New boating resource!

text:
We are creating the a "Consumer Reports" for marinas and boatyards...

Please visit http://www.marinacheck.com and review marinas that you have
used or visited!  If a marina isn't listed, please add it!

Thanks!


author: NF

subject: Re: New boating resource!

text:
The site looks great but it is difficult to get unbiased input from visitors
since the comments could be from a neighboring marina giving a negative
comment about the competition or a favorable comment about their own marina.

Our site at www.boatowners.com just lists marinas by state since the
information about services is usually easy to find on the marinas websites.

Norm
www.boatowners.com
www.boatingnews.com
New classified (For Sale and Wanted) at www.boatowner.com

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author: Jean-Denis

subject: Re: New boating resource!

text:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 0:17:22 +0200, Andrew Kator wrote
(in message <[email]>):

That may be a good idea, but why, yes why, is it so US-centric? You should
realize there are marinas outside the US (enlightenment shock!!). I wanted to
go and add information about marinas in France, and could not...

Maybe next time...

Jean-Denis


author: Armond Perretta

subject: Re: New boating resource!

text:
"Jean-Denis" <[email]> wrote ...

Fair enough comment.  Also, why is it that there is essentially no
information in the database?  Perhaps I misunderstand the intent of this
site, but did you perhaps open up shop a little too soon?  Is it that the
site relies entirely on input from others instead of making available info
from marina owners and managers?

Nice looking graphics anyway.


subject: Re: New boating resource!

text:
in article a8dbnt$1rt$[email], Armond Perretta at
[email] wrote on 4/2/02 5:35 PM:

We appreciate the feedback about the website.  I'm not sure why you found
the database to be empty...there are over 4,000 US listings.

Do we have an "interface" error?  Did the site not work when you tried it?
We would like to hear any feedback!

I know there is an entire world outside of the US, but the US listings are
currently all that we have the resources to add.  We have just set up the
site (on April 2) so that international reviews and listings can be added.

Please let us know about any problems or suggestions!

Happy sailing!
Andrew Kator
[email]
http://www.marinacheck.com


author: Florida Keyz

subject: Re: New boating resource!

text:
yes, BUT, how many of us REALY actualy sail, or Motor (my case) outside of the
US, plus, DO YOU?

Sterling \

MV Sterling Lady

inland cruiser


subject: Re: New boating resource!

text:
Maybe, just maybe , there is no informatioin because...........

nobody cares?

Just a thought

Sterling


subject: Re: New boating resource!

text:
"Andrew Kator" <[email]> wrote ...

The "listings" consist solely of the address of the marina.  Is that the
goal?  I anticipated some detailed information on individual marinas.  It
seems what you are doing is soliciting the opinions of others and collecting
them in your database.  As I mentioned, I perhaps misunderstood your goal.

BTW, can you explicitly state the goal of this site, just so I won't make
the same mistake again?  Thanks.


subject: Re: New boating resource!

text:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 4:58:23 +0200, Florida Keyz wrote
(in message <[email]>):

All the time. In fact, I have never sailed in the US, though I hope I can do
that before I die (I am 39 and quite healthy thank you). On the other hand, I
sail extensively in France, my home country, and I have occasionally sailed
in other European countries (UK, Anglo-French Channel Islands).

I can't help but think that your simple statement really shows a US-centric
state of mind. The internet is now global, and this newsgroup charter doesn't
seem to be limited to the US. Think globally.

In all friendship,

Jean-Denis


subject: Re: New boating resource!

text:
in article a8f00f$mgk$[email], Armond Perretta at
[email] wrote on 4/3/02 8:27 AM:

The animation at the beginning of the site and the window title both say:
"Find marinas & boatyards.  Review marinas and boatyards."
After you search or display marina listings, click on the name of the
facility.  There is a "Review this facility" link for any marina/boatyard
listing (below the name, top left of page).  That allows for you to add
comments about the facility to help other boaters.

When my wife and I were cruising, we found many "marina guides" to be filled
with bogus information.  It can be a costly mistake to go to a specific
facility based on the word of someone you don't know...and this website is
an attempt to for boaters to help one another in that way.

While reviewing a marina may not necessarily help you, it will probably help
many other boaters.

-Andrew


subject: Re: New boating resource!

text:
"Andrew Kator" <[email]> wrote ...

Thanks for the clarification, Andrew.  Since I use marinas from time to time
there is every chance that actual information, whenever it _does_ become
available, will be helpful.

Best regards.

Armond


author: Jim McT

subject: Re: New boating resource!

text:
Your website looks good so far, but check out your Yahoo maps links
for zip codes beginning with zero (e.g. New England marinas).  I would
guess that your back-end database is stripping the first zero
from that zipcode field and so the Yahoo map is not being generated properly.
BTW: we are just starting up a somewhat complementary website for the
marina-averse.

Jim McT
The Mooring Exchange
http://www.mooringexchange.com


author: Dustin May

subject: Favorite TV Show

text:
While I'm waiting for the glue to dry I'll continue the "What's your
favorite..." theme we've got going.

My favorite TV shows are:
ER (not as good as it used to be)
West Wing
Junkyard Wars

What about you?


author: Michael Alvarez

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Dustin May wrote in message ...

I'm a big Trek fan, so I guess my favorite of the Treks has to be "Deep
Space Nine".  Just can't seem to work up the nerve to start the fiber optic
kit of the station yet.  I know it'll be bitchin' when it's done!

Currently workin' on the Masterpiece Models resin model of the submarine
Seaview from "Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea".  That show was a major piece
of cheese, but I've got fond memories.  So, apparently, does my brother
because this project is a gift for him.  He lamented the absence of such a
kit for so long.  Polar Lights is re-issuing the old movie version, but the
Masterpiece Models kit is modified to reflect the upgraded television
submarine.

But I digress.  "Star Trek:  Deep Space Nine" is my favorite show.

Mike


subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
NYPD Blue
West Wing
Screensavers
http://hometown.aol.com/cfbush2000/index.html


author: Craig

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Gilligan's Island (the MaryAnn factor...)
Junkyard Wars, the first 2 seasons....
Star Trek
BattleBots
Win Ben Stein's Money

'nuff for now..

Craig

Dustin May wrote:


author: William J. Banaszak

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Assuming you mean current shows I would pick "Enterprise", "Andromeda"
and "Frasier".  I tape all three.  I don't tape but regularly watch
"American Musclecar" and "My Classic Car".
Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to Discovery Channel's upcoming show on
prehistoric mammals and birds.

Bill Banaszak, MFE


author: Edwin Ross Quantrall

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Dustin May wrote:

In no particular order:

24
er
Law & Order
Law & Order: Criminal Intent
UC: Undercover
Enterprise
60 Minutes
60 Minutes II
JAG
The Agency
Family Guy
The Tick
Justice League
Battlebots
Any other strange, weird, unusual, oddball, etc. stuff that comes across
my screen...

(Thank JVC for the VCR!!!)


author: Ken

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Enterprise
That 70's Show
JAG
Undeclared
Futurama

Ken
----------------
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[email]
*remove .org to reply*
When diplomacy fails, send in the B-52's


author: Thorsten Wieking

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Dustin May <[email]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
lTfM7.51204$RI2.27200156@news2...

X-Files
Simpsons
Buffy (because of the chick)
Angel (because it's a spin-off from the chick-show above and has one)
Charmed (because of the chicks)
Sabrina The Teenage Witch (because of... you'll guess what)
Dharma & Greg (because of.... I say nothing without my lawyer .-)
High Incident (re-run, best cops show ever IMHO)
Voyager
Farscape (because of that blue girl)
this newsgroup (not quite on TV, but I'm watching it while building)
Medicopter 117 (German TV show with a MBB BK 117 Medvac helo)
CNN

Cheers
Thorsten


author: R & S Grinberg

subject: Re:FAVOURITE TV Show - was: Favorite TV Show

text:
The Bill
World Rally Coverage (when we get it!)

That's about it, really.  So much crap, so little time!


author: Burkhard Domke

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Teletubbies

Tinkywinkeeeeee - La-laaaaa - Dip-sy...

Burkhard
Rama Lama Hoop da la Wee
Hauptstadt Tempel
Berlin, Germany

...Po!


author: Christopher Crofoot

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Everybody loves Raymond
ER
As time goes by
BlackAdder

I'm a PBS convert I guess...


author: Nathan Long

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
"Dustin May" <[email]> wrote in message
news:lTfM7.51204$RI2.27200156@news2...

B5
Crusade
Lexx
Stargate


author: Peter Nebelung

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:18:25 GMT, "Dustin May" <[email]>
wrote:

Enterprise
Andromeda
Junkyard Wars
Stargate SG1 (catching up on all the episodes I missed)
Combat (running on the history channel)
Robot Wars


author: Jack Horstman

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
JAG (I could look at Catherine Bell all day and not get tired!)
CSI (Good show, lots and technical stuff, plus Marge Helgenberger)
Boston Public (Kind of soap-opera like, but they try to address
current issues. Plus, of course, much eye candy!)
Who's Line is it Anyway? (Very funny!)
ER
CNN

Jack "the 109 nut"

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:18:25 GMT, "Dustin May" <[email]>
wrote:


author: Yakker

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
eeeek, "favorite" is a tough word when it comes to the drivel that
networks place around their 20 minutes of advertising each hour!

However,  I currently never miss:

Monday Night Football

I tried not to miss in the past:

Seinfeld
Simpsons (has sucked since 95 or so)
Twin Peaks
Northern Exposure
Cheers
MASH

And will watch if I come across it whilst surfing:

C.I.
West Wing
Law and Order
any PBS Frontline show
any History Channel Show

I tried to watch Alias becuase of the cute chick, but that show was
freaking horrible.  I watched the first few Dark Angels as well, but
beside the eye candy that is Jessica Alba, there is nothing there.

everything else pretty much sucks arse, IMHO.

"Dustin May" <[email]> wrote in message news:<lTfM7.51204$RI2.27200156@news2>...


author: Saturn S. Padua

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Futurama
The Simpsons
Will and Grace
The West Wing
ER
Scrubs - easily the funniest thing on TV since Lucille Ball swallowed
the Vitameatavegamin.

And as far as Treks go, Deep Space Nine is the all time fav. I'm still
not convinced with Enterprise...not holding my breath.

Saturn

"Dustin May" <[email]> wrote in message news:<lTfM7.51204$RI2.27200156@news2>...


author: Martin Sczepan

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Dustin May wrote:

The Simpsons

offers even strange modeling ideas like the IRS F-16, the 'Bear Patrol'
B-2 or that 'communist nazi' plane from the 'Mc Bain' movie :-)

Martin


author: IncubusNitemare

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Simpsons
Undeclared
Reverb

Sean Neilan
Peace leads to strength. Strength leads to war. War leads to weakness. Weakness
leads to peace.

Imagine what we will learn when people are not afraid to ask whatever they
wish?- JH

If sense is so common, why do so few people have it?


author: Bossarnold

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
My favorite shows were all the military
hardware shows that used to be on
Discovery channel especially Wings.
Now all they have on is crime shows
and other assorted garbage.


author: Doug Devers

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Now:
Andromeda-Trance is HOT!
Enterprise-so far, the best trek in years.
Frasier

Then:
Star Trek
All in the Family
Andy Griffith

Doug


author: Griffworks

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
I've got several, in no particular order.

Farscape

X-Files (preferrably seasons 4 & 5)

Star Trek (pretty much all of them - I'm an "old school" Trekker, though I
liked DS9 because it wasn't "your daddy's Star Trek")

Outer Limits

Stargate: SG1

WKRP In Cincinnati

Simpsons

Jeffrey Griffin
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Griffworks ShipYards - http://hometown.aol.com/Griffworks/shipyards.html

I live in my own little world.  But it's OK...they know me here.
Remove .net.org


author: Bustoff RC

text:
COMBAT, THE TIME TUNNEL, ROOM 222, 12 O'CLOCK HIGH..........and get this, HAPPY
DAYS (the early shows). These are the only shows I made time to see. (givig
away my age :)
big horse teeth


author: Ron Smith

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Time to close the glue bottle Burkhard.......:)

Burkhard Domke wrote:


subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Careful, Burkhard,
You'll have Mr Merriman on your trail... "Shhhh, we're hunting
TeleTubbies..hehheheheheheh..."


subject: Re: OT:Favorite TV Show

text:
Robot Wars?

Tell me you don't mean the incredibly boring one with a half dozon 'bots
nudging each other while some lame Robo Ref does nothing and a couple of wimpy
"enforcer bots" stand around doing nothing.

That's the one with the toothless wonder babbling through the whole lame thing.
It's by far the pro wrestling of bots.

Try Battle Bots on Comedy Central. It's the pro boxing of bots. One on one, far
superior camera work, lots of great battlefield dangers, especially the huge
hammer that occasionally maims the unlucky bot.

Tom


subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
I meant C.S.I. not C.I.

I like that old Marge Helgenberger broad.  She is nice.

[email] (Yakker) wrote in message news:<[email]>...


subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
GO Yakman!

BTW any of you older Poms remember Callan, with Edward Woodward?  Damn fine
show IIRC.


author: julian hales

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Well i never miss these and tape em.

ONLY FOOLS AND HORSES, watch this nightly, cos i leave the vcr running when
i hit the sack and laff me sen to sleep!
RED DWARF  got worse each series
THE DETECTIVES  who cant laff at Jasper Carrot?
COUPLING  my sorta age group.....girls sex.....more girl and more
sex....what else is there?
there all comidies.

Other this i never miss are science stuff, astonomy, wildlife stuff, and
things like that, bbc2 or ch4 stuff usually.

Thing i REFUSE TO WATCH COS I HATE IT is Star trek, from the first to those
daft spin offs.....never has once a epise kept me interested, even tho i
like sci fi stuff.

Biggest disapointments were that walking with dinosaurs and that beast
follow up.

Oh and i like the simpson.


author: Thorsten Wieking

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Martin Sczepan <[email]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
[email]...

That explains somethings ;-)
as to your alternate reality planes, have you heard of the Mircosoft Games
"Crimson Skies" ?
It has IMHO a nice story and some great plane designs, from what I've seen
in the demo version.

Cheers
Thorsten


author: Rob Gronovius

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
You noticed that too? They keep playing the same ones over and over...

Rob Gronovius
Major
US Army


author: Dennis L. Rodgick

subject: Re: FAVOURITE TV Show - was: Favorite TV Show

text:
Combat
Rat Patrol
Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea
Men Into Space
Science Fiction Theater
The Gallant Men
12 O'Clock High
The Man from U.N.C.L.E
The Time Tunnel
Outer Limits
(In my younger days)
Now:
X-Files
Enterprise
Junkyard Wars
Mutant X
Max Exposure
American Shooter
Trading Places
CSI
Malcom in the Middle
Titus
The Tick
Stargate
Outer Limits
The Agency
U.C.
Alias
and the list goes on and on.
Anything on History Channel, Discovery, PBS and TLC
that deals with Flying, bombing, rockets, subs, guns
and other guy stuff.

Dennis


author: Frank May

text:
All of the Law & Order series (L & O,  SVU & the new Criminal Intent),
CSI, NYPD Blue, Ripley's Believe It Or Not. TVLand, A & E, & THC have
some older (20-30+ years) shows I still like, too.


author: Disco FlyNavy

text:
I don't see "Rat Patrol" on the list....well, I'm waiting....

Carpe Jugulum


author: William J. Banaszak

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
R & S Grinberg wrote:

Bob, you forgot "Be vewy, vewy quiet"

Bill Banaszak, MFE


subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
Ain't that the truth!

Try watching it with the sound off. The improvement is obvious.

I remember friends watching Dragnet with the sound off, stoned, of course. Same
effect, but without Jessica Alba, who must replace the dope for many folks
today.

Tom


author: Edwin Ross Quantrall

subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
R & S Grinberg wrote:

I remember "The Equalizer" with Edward Woodward -- one of my "Past
Favorites"!!!


author: Don

text:
24
NYPD Blue
The Agency
X-files
Enterprise
NASCAR Races
Please reply to [email]
Don McIntyre
Lancaster, PA


text:
On 27 Nov 2001 04:44:58 GMT, [email] (Disco
FlyNavy) wrote:

Hey, I had it on my list......

Dennis


subject: Re: Favorite TV Show

text:
<[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...

Still not a patch on sex!
terrible
over,


text:
The only thing that I sit down and watch (without modeling at the same time)
are the re-runs of Crime Story.

I never saw the original series and I think that it's just quirky enough to be
reall great.

I'll have all of the Law & Order shows on and Survivor (guilty fun).

Tom


author: Irene Jackson

subject: Another Article of Interest...

text:
Here's another article...actually a petition for change to the current radio
situation for any of you who are interested:

http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=37151

A number of prominent organizations have joined the fight.

Irene


author: Nick

subject: Re: Another Article of Interest...

text:
On Fri, 24 May 2002 17:17:15 -0400, Irene Jackson wrote:

Hi Irene,

Thanks for posting the article.  Looks like there's quite a bit of a buzz
in the radio world these days, conventional and Internet style. It's a
good thing that prominent organizations are pushing for reforms as that
will carry more clout than disjointed efforts by individuals.

By the way, I visited your web site.  Very nice site! You've put a lot of
work into it and it shows

While exploring your site, I noticed that you are affiliated with SOCAN
and BMI.  Is there a good reason for belonging to both organizations
or is it just the result of happenstance?

                                    Nick

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subject: Re: Another Article of Interest...

text:
"Nick" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Interesting that on ABC last night they also had a story (on one of those
magazine shows) about this.  There's an indie rap group that has a song out
right now called "Crayola", which rhymes with...well, anyway, this show also
mentioned the online petition.

Thanks Nick :-)

SOCAN has an affiliation with BMI, which means that if you register your
songs with SOCAN they are automatically registered with BMI as well.  I
didn't even know about it until a couple of years ago when someone in this
newsgroup (whom I suspect was trying to verify that I was a songwriter :-)
found a bunch of my songs on the BMI website.  That's when I found out about
the affilation.

Irene


author: Michael Frederick Koehler

subject: Re: Disturbing Thoughts

text:
Guy said:

I think that when you say that "people" have forgotten the main reason
they play bolo, you mean "I" have forgotten...  My sense is that there
are a large number of people who know exactly why they play bolo.  Mucous,
for example.  Bleak and I played a really interesting series last week as
part of the IBL.  We played a quick game and I got whomped, which decided
who would advance next week.  We then went back and played 2 other games,
each of which I lost, JUST FOR FUN.  Now, as it turned out, he was enough
better than I am that we didn't have the maximum amount of fun, but there
was no whining, no fear about lost reputation, just a coupla guys playing
a game.

I think that you are entirely wrong when you say that bolo is only about
competition any more.  It's always been about competition, and as long as
there were people considered better than you were, you could gain by entering
into the competition.  Now that it's clear that there are only one or two
players out there who are better than you are, you can only lose by
entering into the competition.  I think that this may account for your sense
that Bolo was better in the past.  Bolo has always been the same, but your
risk/reward ratio has gotten steadily worse as you've acquired a reputation
for being good.

I sympathize with your alias troubles in a way.  I think that it would be
less trouble if people stuck with one or two nicknames so that making teams
up when a game starts up would be easier.  Interestingly, I find that this
is less of a problem with the new version, as games seem to evolve into
a series of round robin games.  Say, for example, that four people wander
into a game together and pick teams that may be uneven because they don't
know one another.  More often than not, with lockout, after the first game
is over, the same four will restart, and can then adjust teams so that
subsequent games are more fair.  All in all, if people would be honest about
their skill level while setting games up, I could care less what they name
themselves.  I solve the problem myself by always joining a game as Grimm,
and only changing my nick after I'm in.

<snip>

Quite true.  I personally think that you have less of a problem than you
think you do.  I've found that Bolo players have a pretty keen sense of
who is better or worse than they are, and some fool bragging about having
beaten Guy will be seen for what he or she is: a bragging fool who
probably couldn't beat me. (Or Jolo, for that matter.)  Your reputation is
secure as far as being a good player, and I've personally found you to be
a fun player to play with or against.  Relax and enjoy playing.

Grimm


author: Joseph Goodman

subject: Re: Disturbing Thoughts

text:
I think you're all insane.

1. Bolo, like anything else in the universe, tends to form cliques. There
are two fairly distinct cliques which are showing up in this thread:
People who play bolo and are really motivated to get better and perhaps
even become a god (type 1 people), and people who play bolo and just stay
satisfied with where they are and don't have any aspirations to be gods
(type 2 people).

1.a. The former are the people who end up good. I personally think that
anyone can be good at bolo, mostly because I don't really have any innate
talent and I got good basically by imitating people better than me. (It
took me 3 years to reach my peak, while santa and BL both reached theirs
in around a year or so.) I think what differentiates people are two
things: motivation, and experience. I find experience helps me a lot in
predicting other players, so if you base your playing style on prediction
then you kinda need that. If you base your playing style on fast pill
takes (and if you do you'll never be good IMHO but that's another story),
then you need motivation but not necessarily experience. But that's a
tangent to the point...

1.b. The two cliques are always screaming at each other. I think I'm in
the first clique ("motivated"), and so when I get allies who aren't
motivated I tend to get pissed at them. On the other hand, I enjoy
mess-around games, but because of today's bolo crew I don't get to enjoy
them that much (more on that below). I think that when I ally with type 2
people they tend to get pissed at me, too, because I scream and yell at
them. This shows in rgb, when one person claims that having fun is
independent of winning and another person claims the opposite (and that
happens all the time).

1.c. The more ornery of type 2 people will always be complaining about
games against better players. "Why do you play this way?" "Do you really
enjoy winning in 5 minutes?" "Do you actually have fun playing like this?"
"Why don't we play a real game on a real map?" etc. I figure this is
inevitable. The important part is to find players like yourself and play
against them.

2. The real pain in the ass arrives with today's Modern Bolo-er. The
Modern Bolo-er is specifically evolved to only one environment (small fast
maps with visible mines and no bots), concerned about reputation, and more
interested in being seen as good than actually being good. I think a
beautiful example of this is samhain's recent announcement on irc: After
coming out the lead in the first divsion (he was 3-0), he goes to #bolo
and posts "woooooooohooooooo, 3-0, what an upset" (or something very
similar to that). I personally think that's about as poor etiquette as you
can get. I obviously have a stake in it, so I'm probably hideously biased
in saying this, but unless someone's being an asshole in a game, I've
never seen any reason to announce game results unless someone asks,
especially in a manner as he did. But it's not limited to him. I think
there are a lot of players like that now.

2.a. The best example is a game I played against a player I'll call D. D
rigged the bases on Chew Toy 2 so that their numbers were opposite of what
they normally are. (He knew that I memorize the base numbers on Chew Toy 2
to help my base grab.) So, when we play the game, I get 4 of 16 bases due
to D's rearranging of the base numbers. Luckily, D had the strategic
insight of a black hole, so I won the game. Upon asking D why the bases
were rearranged at the end of the game, D replied: "I don't know. It was
like that when I downloaded it." I believed D (silly me), until I was told
that D had told others how he had arranged the bases, and that he was
telling people that he had beaten me. Now I have no trust in D. I believe
this anecdote symbolizes the attitudes of a lot of people nowadays.

2.b. That's why I would rather play Llan or Loser or Guy or Severian than
one of these more recent good players. Those four players know how to win
as well as how to lose.

2.c. (I rant and rave, but the people I'm talking about are still a
minority, so don't take this personally, audience at large.)

2.d. The problem is that the people who strive to be good now, the type 2
people, and the people who will eventually be the top tier of bolo-ers (as
the current tier retires and leaves), don't have the sense of ettiquette
that others do.

3. Competition is fun, and I enjoy competition, so I don't think that bolo
as competition is such a bad thing. However, bolo should also have a
purely "fun" side to it (like a nice blast-em-up open game or a joust
every now and then)... A lot of people don't see that anymore.

3.a. I think irc is part of what has contributed to this overcompetitive
aspect. IRC gets a lot more traffic nowadays than it used to (in my
opinion), and people tend to shit talk and such on there.

3.b. I'm just generally pessimistic and pissed off. This post doesn't have
a real conclusion, other than this ethereal nonsense:
-- People SHOULD strive to be good at bolo, as they should with anything in life
-- People SHOULD strive to have fun at bolo, as they should with anything
in life
-- When the two contradict, choose whichever is most important to you, and
tell people who disagree to either (a) "get some skill and then come back
to talk" or (b) "learn to have fun and don't be such a tight-ass"

Bolo isn't dying. It's just getting a new breed of player who is
narrow-minded (MW and Cat-butt are the only people I've seen start a
hidden mines game in ages...they are, unfortunately, the exceptions;
hideous as some of MW's maps may be, he also makes some really good ones,
and some of the good ones are often large, weird-looking and
non-symmetrical, which is a welcome change...), over-competitive, and
unable to see past tactics and into strategy. Nothing pissed me off more
than after I finally decided I knew what bolo was about, and I tried to
teach my allies, both before, after, and during the game, and then I tried
to teach other people on irc and over e-mail, and almost no one was
willing to learn. I figure when today's gods leave and the next level
takes over, bolo will take a very different course than it has, and will
end up with gods who are false and strategies that are short-termed and
basic. Man, am I in a pessimistic mood. The world will end tomorrow, too.

Guy's not killing bolo. If some putz is so bad he gets squashed in each
game aganist Guy, then said putz needs to find someone on his own level
and play them. The putz is at fault for even having played Guy to start
with. And if you want to get good, don't play me or Guy...play the people
who are only marginally better than you, and then the people only
marginally better than them, etc., because when you lose fast you very
rarely understand why and thus don't gain much from the game and don't
improve.

You can tell I'm a type 1 player, but my main problem is that I want other
people to be type 1 players, also, and too many aren't...

...and yer mama wears combat boots...


author: Robert A. Uhl

subject: Re: Disturbing Thoughts

text:
In article <3vsiet$[email]>,
Michael Frederick Koehler <[email]> wrote:

  First off, why are competition and fun opposites? Can't we have fun
competing? I have fun when I win. I have fun when I lose. It is just a
game. A neat game. A neat fun game. A neat game and extremely fun...

  If you would lose by playing, then maybe you are not as good as you
are rated. I play 1x1s because I have no ally troubles. I play 1x1 to
decide a ranking. I play >1x>1 for just pure unadulterated fun without
competition. BUt i still enjoy competition.

  Having more than 3 handles is a breach of etiquette. Every player
should have at least one handle and should stick with it. I have 2:
Spectre, my normal handle, and Baron Robert von Raetzin, my old and
seldom used handle. I have both in my .sig. If ought else used them, I
would deal with the matter.

  We are the priginal users of the Internet. We should show ourselves
to be honest and upfront about all things. We should _always_ be
exemplars of proper etiquette.


author: Jolo

subject: Re: Disturbing Thoughts

text:
In article <3vsiet$[email]>, [email]
(Michael Frederick Koehler) wrote:

ï¿½ I've found that Bolo players have a pretty keen sense of
ï¿½ who is better or worse than they are, and some fool bragging about having
ï¿½ beaten Guy will be seen for what he or she is: a bragging fool who
ï¿½ probably couldn't beat me. (Or Jolo, for that matter.)

I hope this puts to rest, once and for all, who is the worst Bolo player
in existence, now and forever, amen.  Repeat after me.... "I fuxing sux!"


author: Lowell Jones

subject: Re: Disturbing Thoughts

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] (Joseph Goodman) wrote:

no no no no no!

there are two types of people in this world, those who think there are two
types of people in this world, and those who don't.

anyway, you forgot type 3 players:  those who aspire to achieve never
before seen levels of suxiness.  jolo is god in this category.


author: Samhain

subject: Re: Disturbing Thoughts

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] (Joseph Goodman) wrote:

   "What an upset" referred to the fact that I *should* have lost.  It was
a statement which reflected that I've played excessively poorly in the
past ibl's.  I really don't think that was a total breach in etiquette, as
I was not bragging that I won because I should have won.  My comment
related more to the fact that I am outclassed by you, hb, in that
division.  Announcing ibl game results is something that's been done since
the first ibl.  I don't know if you were paying attention the past few
weeks, but, many are on irc on that day to find out results.  IBL games
are not the same as regular games, since the results are to be announced
publically over the newsgroup and the web.

   In the past ibl's I've also announced when I've lost.  Part of the
excitement of playing in the ibl is seeing how well you do among your
peers.  It's a direct competition, as the participants are force ranked.
If you can't handle someone announcing that they're happy because they
won, and *not* you, then mebbe you're the one who's taking this all too
seriously.  You spew posts all over rgb about how there should be kewl
flamewars and insulting people when you can.  Then on #bolo, a realtime
rgb, one person announces their elation on a league win and you can't
handle it.

   I don't think I've been excessively mean or boastful throughout most of
my boloing.  I see no reason for you to attack me in this way other than
you're being pissed off at monday's results.  If you don't like playing
with what you call "modern bolo-ers", then mebbe you shouldn't play in the
ibl.  Go find games with people who share your own self-righteous views on
the way bolo should be played.  I, personally, don't limit myself to what
you perceive to be as the current single environment maps.  In fact,
you're the one who started whining when I started up oryctalagus cuniculi,
a mut mut sized and styled map.

   As far as being concerned with reputation and more interested in being
seen as good than actually being good, I think that's a load of bullshit.
I really dont' know what the fuck your problem is, but you're being a
total asshole.  What makes you think I haven't put any effort into being
good?  I've got more playing hours than most people playing today.  I've
also spent time in evaluating what I've learned and sharing it with others
through my unfinished strategy guide.  You're the one who's got the
problem, who gets completely pissed off when he loses.  The one that gets
bent outta shape cuz someone announces a league win over irc.  Stop
blaming others for your own crap.

   For all I know this is a more serious attempt at starting another flame
war, and I've fallen for it.  Oh well.

Samhain


author: K. Spexarth

subject: Re: Disturbing Thoughts

text:
[email] (Joseph Goodman) writes:

 It appears there are a few things we need to set straight, HB.  If
it wasn't obvious enough to everyone who "D" stands for in the paragraph
below, let me make it clear for them: D stands for myself, DeathHand.
However, most of what is said below is not only untrue, it's also
disturbing that HB would have thought this and never mentioned he was
upset to me, although in another sense perhaps he wrote this as a personal
message to me. I'll explain.

  In actuality, when I played HB (this game took place sometime in March, I believe) I used a map on the hard drive of a mac where I play, uwash. It happens
that there are only two macs where I was playing from then (a building called
"bloedel hall") and these 2 macs were commonly used for bolo by both myself
and essence.  Several months prior to my 1x1 game with HB essence had
challenged HB to a 1x1, back when both he and I were practically newbies.
The map they played on was Chew Toy 2 (then in it's prime of popularity)
. After losing to HB, essence asked HB for pointers on what he could do to
improve. HB said (I know this because I was watching the game over ess's
shoulder) "it helps to memorize the base layout of a map in the base monitor
so you know which corner the enemy is starting from, and so you don't
run over to bases they've already taken in the initial base rush" (that was
the point of what he said, tho obviously not his actual words -- essence
can confirm this, unless you think he's a lying cheat too, HB).
So, going by HB's advice, essence opened up Chew Toy 2 with BMAPedit
and switched the bases around until they resided in the appropriate corner
in the base monitor (ie, the NE double bases were in the NE corner of the
base monitor). This way, he always knew which corner the enemy was starting in.
He saved the map under the name "Chew Toy II" on the computer we both use.

You got 4 of the 16 bases due to luck, your bad luck, my good luck.
At that time, I knew essence had changed the base layout -- he told
me he "switched things around" although he hadn't told me yet that each
corner corresponded to each corner in the base monitor.

 The insight of a black hole? HB, you dork -- I was a fucking beginner
at bolo and was nervous as hell playing someone who was reputed to be
one of the best.

Bullshit.  I never said that you ass.  I told you it was "like that"
when I had started playing the map. Essence was the one who downloaded
it, and made the modifications. I also said: "yeah, my friend says he
changed the base layout of this map". Don't believe me? Ask essence.
He was there the whole time.

 I believed D (silly me), until I was told

 This is sad, HB. I expected more from you.  I told other people
that yes, I just played HB on CT2, and because the base monitor
modifications had screwed him up, I was able to reduce him to 0 bases
(all "x"ed out) before he killed my man and made a comeback to win.
Ask tempest -- I played him right afterward and we had talked about what
I might have done to win in that situation (keep in mind I was little
more than a rank beginner, perhaps an average player at best).
Now you have no trust in me, eh? I think it's safe to say I have no trust
in you either.  MAybe the least you could have done was tell me
you thought I had cheated, instead of leave me in the dark that you were
pissed.

DeathHand
[email]


author: MegaWatt

subject: Re: Disturbing Thoughts

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] (Joseph Goodman) wrote:

I think you're insane for writing such a long post. No, I did not read
your entire post... tho I did scan it. I would love to be a better player,
but do NOT Have The Time!!!  Some of us work for a living... remember?
=)

Personally I can hardly wait for the day when my "Big Mama" map is the norm  :P

PS... Anyone have maven?

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subject: Re: Disturbing Thoughts

text:
Luckily for me, my attempts to keep this an impersonal anecdote have
succeeded. My efforts at keeping identities anonymous were remarkably
effective, helped immensely by the activities of those whose names shall
remain nameless.

It was supposed to be a nameless anecdote...apparently it wasn't...

Well, perhaps this was total coincidence, but the bases were actually
opposite of where they were supposed to be -- i.e. I started in the SE and
headed to NE (because according to base counter NE was still untaken) but
when I got to NE it was taken. So I headed to NW, but it was gone too. I
ended up with E mid, SE, and inside base in SW corner.

Actually, you may be right. I remember you saying something to the effect
of the map already being that way when you got it, but apparently you
meant when you got it from the computer and not through ftp. I assumed you
meant through ftp. I don't remember the friend comment.

Tempest was the first person to ask me about the game. Strangely enough,
his impression was not that you had me down to 0 bases but I made a
comeback, but his impression was that you had won. After Tempest said
that, I assumed it was a fluke of some sort where he just misunderstood
you and you had actually not led him to believe that you had beaten me.
Then someone else asked me about "that game you lost to DH". At that point
I was like "Hmmm...". When a third person mentioned to me that I had lost
a game to DH (according to DH, said the person), that's when I decided
that you were saying something a bit exaggerated.

Even if all of what you have said is true, I STILL think that what was
done was pretty low. You still knew that part of my base-grabbing strategy
on that map depended on the base counter being a certain way, and you also
knew that the base counter was not that way. That's the kind of thing you
should tell people before the game. You didn't, and in my mind that's akin
to playing a gimmic map.

Luckily I'll be leaving town tomorrow morning, so I don't get to see any
of the responses to this (unless they're through e-mail)...first good
flame war this summer and I miss it...


author: [redacted]

subject: Here's a Moon shot taken with the EF 500 f4L IS.

text:
Here's a moon shot for you Annika, taken with a 500 f4L IS on a D60, to
compare with your 400 f5.6L shots.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1741301
(Note) I did not take this pic.

Cody Houston®

http://community-2.webtv.net/AnOvercomer02/PhotographyLinks


subject: Re: Here's a Moon shot taken with the EF 500 f4L IS.

text: I couldn't get the link to work.  Was it taken by Roger Clark?


text:
Try this one. It was taken by Simon Su.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1741301

http://community-2.webtv.net/AnOvercomer02/PhotographyLinks


author: Peter

subject: Charlie Christian

text:
Has anyone out there picked up the Charlie Christian CD entitled "The
Immortal Charlie Christian"? I believe it also goes by the title
"After Hours". Some of the players include Dizzy Gillespie and
Thelonius Monk. The more I listen to that disc, the more fascinated I
become. The latter title mentioned does seem appropriate as is does
seem like an impromptu jam session somewhere --- you can hear the
audience chatter throughout. In short, the sound of his guitar is one
of the most bad ass I have heard in awhile. They all seem to be having
a ball with in your face solos that just rip.
Great disc! I don't know why it took me so long to click in to this
one.


subject: Re: Charlie Christian

text:
Hey Joseph! Thanks for the clarification! That was an interesting
post. Just for kicks I bought the "After Hours" CD as well. They are
essentially the same, although there a few different tunes included on
each. The packaging does make it sound like Charley and Dizzy were
side by side on the bandstand...interesting to know they were not.

"Swing to Bop", or "Topsy" is just killer. You can almost feel the
wood of Christians guitar rattling on his chest. Great tone.

I am going to make it a point to cop some of these riffs. Thanks for
the links....

I had also read somewhere that Wes Montgomery cut his teeth on these
solos. He learned the solos note for note. During the gig he would
just rip out the solos and lay out of the rest of the tune. The author
called this a "humble beginning".....


subject: Re: Charlie Christian

text:
On Apr 9, 12:54 pm, Peter <[email]> wrote:

And Allan Holdsworth said he memorized all of CC's solos when learning
how to play.  So you don't have to end up sounding like CC.


subject: Re: Charlie Christian

text:
This recording has had almost as many repackagings as Benson's Casa
Caribe disc - I've got one called 'The Immortal Charl(ey) Christian'
somewhere. It features jams at Minton's club, Harlem in the early '40s
and is Charlie at his best.


subject: Re: Charlie Christian

text:
On Apr 9, 1:24 am, Peter <[email]> wrote:

Monk probably isn't on any of those tunes, but his name sells albums,
so it keeps showing up on albums. There is no recording in existence
that has solos by both Christian and Gillespie. Some issues of this
stuff have realistic-sounding audience noise that was overdubbed much
later (I forget if that's true of this album). There was very little
audience noise on the real recordings.

Tune titles of '41 "live" stuff were faked at the time of release much
later, to save money:
"Swing To Bop" is really "Topsy" recorded at Henry Minton's Playhouse
(and none of the musicians had heard of a style called "bop" yet when
they were playing "Topsy" on May 12, '41). Soloists are Christian, Joe
Guy on trumpet, and Kenny Kersey on piano.
"Up On Teddy's Hill" is "Honeysuckle Rose" recorded at Minton's.
Soloists are Christian, Don Byas on tenor, and Guy.
"Kerouac" is "Exactly Like You" recorded at Minton's (and none of the
musicians had heard of Kerouac at the time). Soloists are Gillespie
and Kersey, and Christian isn't on it.
"Guy's Got To Go" is "I Got Rhythm" recorded at Clark Monroe's Uptown
House. Soloists are Christian and Guy.
"Lips Flips" is "Stompin' At The Savoy" recorded at Monroe's. Soloists
are Rudy Williams on alto, Hot Lips Page on trumpet, Christian, and
Byas.

There are also recordings of Christian jamming on "I Got Rhythm" and
"Stompin' At The Savoy" at Minton's.

Joseph Scott


subject: Re: Charlie Christian

text:
On Apr 9, 3:24 am, Peter <[email]> wrote:

Christian's playing on here is groundbreaking, even if the personnel
lists have been inaccurate.
Get it for CC's playing and get the transcription book available at
www.djangobooks.com as a pdf download.  Players from Kessel to
Holdsworth have memorized these solos.


subject: Re: Charlie Christian

text:
On Apr 9, 10:14 am, Gerry <[email]> wrote:

You can download the solos from here:

http://www.djangobooks.com/archives/2004/08/25/new_ebook_the_swingingest_charley_christian.html#000118


author: Gerry

subject: Re: Charlie Christian

text:
On 2008-04-09 05:26:19 -0700, [email] said:

Great stuff.  Thanks!  Duly stashed with mp3's of what I purchased as
"Minton's Playhouse - 1941".  Seems I saw some old Chas. Colin book
purporting to be guiar transcriptions (scores) from this date.


subject: Re: Charlie Christian

text:
On 2008-04-09 07:21:52 -0700, pmfan57 <[email]> said:

Yep--that's
the exact book I remember from the back pages of Downbeat in ye olden days...


subject: Team Total Offense, Pitching, and Fielding Win Shares for 2002

text:
As noted elsewhere, the numbers are subject to adjustment as the 2002 park
adjustments incorporate 2003 and 2004 data.

  Ht    Fd    Pt  Team
--------------------------------
 114    52   137  Atlanta
 117    41    91  Montreal
 128    37    76  Philadelphia
 124    37    77  Florida
 113    34    77  Mets
--------------------------------
 149    44    97  St. Louis
 111    44    97  Houston (the 44s and 97s are not typos)
 103    41    90  Cincinnati
  87    43    87  Pittsburgh
 108    29    64  Cubs
  88    28    52  Milwaukee
--------------------------------
 153    51   107  Arizona
 138    42    90  San Francisco
  95    42    82  Colorado
 124    27    47  San Diego
--------------------------------
1871   612  1405  National League
--------------------------------

 157    42   110  Yankees
 132    45   102  Boston
 123    35    76  Toronto
  84    40    77  Baltimore
  82    30    53  Tampa Bay
--------------------------------
 124    52   106  Minnesota
 127    39    77  White Sox
 108    32    81  Cleveland
  71    40    76  Kansas City
  73    29    63  Detroit
--------------------------------
 129    52   128  Oakland
 135    52   109  Anaheim
 145    45    89  Seattle
 109    34    73  Texas
--------------------------------
1621   533  1233  American League
--------------------------------

3492  1137  2646  Major Leagues


author: Ima Pseudonym

subject: Re: Team Total Offense, Pitching, and Fielding Win Shares for 2002

text:
On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 10:55:10 GMT, <[email]> wrote:

<snip>

So are the Dodgers out of the NL West?

;-)


text:
"Ima Pseudonym" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
park

Oops! I messed up the copying on AZ, SF and LA.
--------------------------------
 136    51   107  Arizona
 153    42    90  San Francisco
 138    45    94  Los Angeles
  95    42    82  Colorado
 124    27    47  San Diego
--------------------------------


author: William Barnes

subject: What's Shin Samurai Spirits? (and new SS game)

text:
Perhaps this is too obvious a question, but what is Shin Samurai Spirits?  Is
it the original Japanese version of Samurai Shodown 1, 2, or 3?  Is it some
new SS game?  Is it the SS RPG I've heard about?  Is it related to the new SS
game on the Neo Geo home page (http://www.neogeo.co.jp/table/innfo/info.html),
which shows our erstwhile heroes (Nakoruru, Genjuro, and Haohmaru) taking on
multiple opponents in what looks like a Golden Axe-style wander-around-and-
beat-people-up kind of game?

I'd appreciate it if someone enlightened me, since Samurai Spirits/Shodown is
my favorite of the fighting games and the only I come close to considering
myself addicted to...8-)

-------------
William Barnes	[email]	[email]
Technical Editor, McGraw-Hill Continuing Education Center


author: Sustang

subject: another .com ??? (TEST)

text:
www.talkaboutautos.com is another website linking solely to usenet
groups as a means of their business. I am assuming that this will not
show in there posts as they probably "edit" posts at their discretion


author: SRQEagan

subject: Re: another .com ??? (TEST)

text:
Trollmeter      ::1::2::3::4::5::6::7::8::9::10
                    ^
                    ^

Didn't even register.

Iggy
'01 Dyna Super Glide
'96 Mustang GT Convertible
Keep your powder dry and don't let your meat-loaf.  :o)


subject: Re: another .com ??? (TEST)

text:
[email] (Sustang) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Suprise Suprise .. this post showed up on their site. I just wanted to
know if they "edited" posts. Thank you for remaining calm.


author: WraithCobra

subject: Re: another .com ??? (TEST)

text:
I'm not even going to bother with this BS and I went crazy over the
horsepowered crap.


author: Valupix

subject: Re: Saturday Classic  7/14/01

text:
LAD R3   Cliff's Choice
LAD R5   Greedy Shrylent
LAD R8   Mickey Who
CRC R9   Honorable Pic
CRC R10 Cheryl P.
CRC R11 Radical Riley
CRC R11 One By The Knows

alt - LAD R10   Fine Dance
alt - CRC R6   The Case Is Closed

Good luck,
Valupix (TJ)


author: Pops

subject: Re: Saturday Classic  7/14/01

text:
Swinging for the fences @
Hollywood

R1 Modus Viblairski
R2 Leeper (e)
R4 Major Pallet
R5 Extreme Delight
R6 Under Surveillance
R7 Kick Sand
R9 Spaldene

...all it takes is one
Pops


author: CyberCapper

subject: Re: Saturday Classic  7/14/01

text:
7-14-2001
Wox
3 - #4 Go figure
5 - #7 Sugar Kick
6 - #4 Very Professional
7 - #2 Tobias
10- #8 Cherokee Dawn

Hol
6 - #7 Under Surv

Apx
8 - #4 Sumthintotalk

Alternates

Apx  3 - #6
Bel  5 - #6
Bel  1 - #3


author: coopie

subject: Re: Saturday Classic  7/14/01

text:
Arlington race 8 flying hannah
Lone star race 6 shimmering bronze
Lone star race 7 tere mi amor
Lone star race 11 general terms
Monmouth race 8 benown to me
Ellis race 7 Jimmy jones
Calder race 9 wild hits

alt
Mountaineer race 7 gottalottagas
Philadelphia race 2 bunkman
Moumouth race 4 deputy strike

Thank you Adele


subject: Re: Saturday Classic  7/14/01

text:
$13.00 Total

-- > Swinging for the fences @

...one cheap single...overswinging again


author: Patricia Tooman

subject: Re: Saturday Classic  7/14/01

text:
Belmont:
1.  Over Dere
2.  Collaborae
3.  Gold Dollar
5.  Al Dor Rob - ole darlin
7.  Dubai World
8.  Gaviola
9.  Port Henry

Alt:
4.  Ytwokopunch
6.  Charming Michael

HUMOR:
"Practice random acts of intelligence and senseless acts of
self-control."

Have great luck today.  Pat


author: Nihilbono

subject: Re: Saturday Classic  7/14/01

text:
@ solano
3rd #6 Funny Bone
4th #7 Mister Rambler
5th #7 Grey Gatita
6th #6 Pagan's Maiden
7th #1 Continental Blaze
10th #5 Purgatory
11th #4 Strobe

Joe


author: Ron Verraneault

subject: Re: Saturday Classic  7/14/01

text:
Colonial Downs

Race 1-8 Asian Echo 30-1 Turf Only
Race 4-3 Insane Marine 5-1 Turf Only
Race 6-8 Westerly 10-1 Turf Only
Race 7-1 Speak Compelling 20-1 Turf Only
Race 8-11 Becky`s Ransom 5-1 Turf Only
Race 9-6 Batique 6-1 Turf Only
Race 11-2 Golden O`s 15-1 Turf Only
Ron,


subject: Re: Saturday Classic  7/14/01 RESULTS

text:
Only four in money
Belmont:
1.  Over Dere - W, 11.80  5.50
3.  Gold Dollar - P  3.20
8.  Gaviola - P  3.10 got beat by a stronger horse
9.  Port Henry - P  6.90

Total  $30.50.
Let's face it did better than usual. :-)

Have a good weekend and be kind.  Pat


subject: Re: Saturday Classic  7/14/01

text:
Hillywad Parque

r-1Our Here Tiz
r-2Boulder  Excess
r-3 Fair Apache
r-4 Major  Pallet
r-5 Champagne  n' Toast
r-6  Scoop of Ice
r-7 Kick Sand
r-8  Collect  Call  ( alt )
r-9 The Woman In  Black  ( alt)

deeb


subject: Re: Saturday Classic  7/14/01

text:
add these alt. please,

Belmont
Race 8-5 Melody Queen (gb)-8-1 -Turf Only
Race 9-7 Rapid Ryan-5-1

Calder Race Course
Race 10-11 Southern Tour 12-1

Ron,


subject: Re: Saturday Classic  7/14/01  reezultzzz

text:
[email] wrote:

total 28.40      Hello Jorge!


author: zadok!

subject: Sinistar Environmental Cockpit

text:
Hey everyone, I have a nice empty Sinistar Cockpit Available. It was
converted to a 1942. It is painted black. It is basically gutted. I do
have the power supply and some wiring. All the marquees and overlays
are in good condition. The CPO is not present. If you are interested
in buying or trading for this cabinet I am near Cleveland Ohio. Please
email direct.

aaron.


author: Mark Williams

subject: Re: Sinistar Environmental Cockpit

text:
[email] (zadok!) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Do you have a picture? I'm not sure what the cockpit looked like. Also
what do you want for it? I am just a small collector and this sounds
like a fun renovation. I would offer a price, but I honestly don't
know what its worth. Maybe we could find a mutually acceptable price.
I would be able to pick up the cabinet since I live in Detroit.
Thanks.


subject: Re: Sinistar Environmental Cockpit

text:
All Gone!!  Thanks Everyone..  I put some picks online. Hope the new owner has fun.

http://www.classicarcade.org/pics/sinistar/

aaron.


author: Michael Angelo Ravera

subject: I'm sure it's happened before

text:
Last night in a club game my partner and I had an uncontested 4-round
auction to slam where the strain that would be played was never bid
until the 6-level. I'll go find the hand record later, but here was the
auction (opponents silent):
2D(1)-2NT(2)
3H(3)-3S(4)
3NT(5)-4NT(6)
5D(7)-6C(8)

1) Mini-Roman, 3-suited 11-15 HCP
2) Game interest or better asks for suit below short suit
3) Short suit is spades
4) Asks for range clarification
5) Closer to 11 than to 15
6) San Francisco, Asks for total controls
7) 3 controls, an ace and a king or 3 kings
8) Let's play here (comment from opponent "Where did the clubs come
from?")

Partner is short in spades. I'm short in hearts. Discounting the HK and
the SK we have 8 of the 10 remaining controls (9 total). 6C and 6D are
both cold as the cards lie. I should have used the exclusion control
inquiry to avoid hearing about the SK (which partner didn't have
anyway), but I chose not to. I would have made 7 if the HQ opening lead
had not been overtaken by the HA.

As it was, 8 tops, 3 longs (with pitches), and a ruff. 6C= for 1370 and
a top.

Only one other pair is even in game! Most pairs appear to be beating
some major suit contract, undoubled or in a minor part score making 5.


author: Adam Beneschan

subject: Re: I'm sure it's happened before

text:
Stephen Fischer wrote:

Fascinating!

I thought there was an old saying that "eight-card suits are not meant
to be put down in the dummy", or something like that.  There was a
Master Solvers' Club problem in the last couple years where six
panelists made essentially that same comment in their responses.  (I
don't know what's supposed to happen when both partners have eight-card
suits---do you have to defend in that case??)

Anyway, perhaps that old saying doesn't apply here because it's a
nine-card suit.  :)  But assuming that it does, then I guess
Rubin-Ekeblad had the better auction, since their relay system made
South the declarer so that he didn't have to put down his nine-card
spade suit in the dummy.

                                 -- Adam


subject: Re: I'm sure it's happened before

text:
John D'Errico wrote:

We had this auction once:

   1C   X     2C   3H
   5NT  6H   7C   7H
   7S    X     p     p
   XX   all pass

Making when leader failed to lead a club (which her partner would have
ruffed).

So we had an auction in which we bid a grand in a suit that was never
explicitly bid *or* implicitly shown until the 7 level, where the
opening bid was natural, and where we had already agreed on a different
suit.  So do I win?

                      -- Adam


author: David Peters

subject: Re: I'm sure it's happened before

text:
"Michael Angelo Ravera" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

1. From the 1995 Venice Cup semifinal (bulletin #12, reported by Tony
Gordon)

Board 31. N/S Vul. Dealer South.

                            S T8653
                            H AJT95432
                            D --
                            C --
                 S --                     S J974
                 H K8                   H Q6
                 D JT97654          D KQ32
                 C Q642               C K83
                            S AKQ2
                            H 7
                            D A8
                            C AJT975

              West    North  East    South
              Bessis  Auken  Saul   v.Arnim
                                                 1C
               3D       3H       5D      Pass
               Pass     5H       Pass    6C
               Pass     6S       All Pass

In the Closed Room, von Arnim started with a strong club and then made a
forcing pass over 5D. The message of her 6C bid was that she was prepared to
play outside of hearts and, of course, Auken was only too happy to bid 6S.

2. From the 1998 McConnell Cup semifinal (bulletin #11, also reported by
Tony Gordon):

... Sabine Auken and Daniela von Arnim broke one of their own personal
records. In the semifinal of the Venice Cup in Beijing, they had bid to 6S
with spades being mentioned for the first time at the six-level. Early on in
the final set they went one better.

       Board 17. Nil Vul. Dealer North.

                 S 8 7 6 5
                 H 10 6 5 4 2
                 D 9 5
                 C 6 2
  S A J 10 4 2                S K Q
  H K 9 8 3                    H A Q
  D 10 8 3 2                   D A K Q 6 4
  C -                              C K Q J 7
                 S 9 3
                 H J 7
                 D J 7
                 C A 10 9 8 5 4 3

  West       North    East    South
  v.Arnim  Tornay  Auken  Lewis
                 Pass      1C       3C
  3H          Pass      3S       Pass
  4H          Pass      4NT    Pass
  6C          Pass      7C      Pass
  7D          All Pass

After Ellee Lewis had overcalled Auken's strong club opening with a weak
jump overcall in clubs, von Arnim's 3H was game forcing with spades and her
subsequent 4H was natural. In response to 4NT she then showed one ace and a
club void.That was enough for Auken to offer her partner a choice of major
suit grand slams with her 7C bid. However, von Arnim then showed that she
had a further string to her bow when she introduced her diamonds for the
first time at the seven-level. It took some time for the bidding tray to
come back at this point as Auken had to decide if she, in turn, was being
asked to choose between the majors. Eventually she decided that 7D was bound
to be a good contract and duly passed.

David


author: Brian Baresch

subject: Re: I'm sure it's happened before

text:
Done that, and go you one round better. This was years ago, but I'm
pretty sure it's close to right:

2C(1)-2D(2)
2NT(3)-3C(4)
3D(5)-3H(6)
4C(7)-4NT(8)
5D(9)-6S

(1) Strong
(2) Waiting, GF
(3) 22+, balanced
(4) Puppet Stayman
(5) One 4cM
(6) 4 spades
(7) Cue agreeing spades
(8) RKCB
(9) 0 or 3


subject: Re: I'm sure it's happened before

text:
This was a tale of two cities ... Rome and San Francisco. San Francisco
works. Mini-Roman has its problems. Using them both on the same auction
took away all of the evil spirits!

This was the case of a Mini-Roman hand opposite a Maxi-Roman hand. The
only real trick in this situation is to pick in which 8-card fit to
play. In this case, it didn't matter much.

Nixon's Law -- If two wrongs don't make a right, TRY THREE!


author: Tamuel

subject: Re: I'm sure it's happened before

text:
"Michael Angelo Ravera" <[email]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email]...

I remember once when I had 5 godd spades and 7 godd clubs and an ace. LHO
opened 2 weak hearts, and RHO responed 5H.
Of course I should have bid 5N as my partner no doubt would have interpreted
that as unusual.
Instead I bid 6C.
Two passes followed and RHO sacrificed with 6H.
I decided to try for 6S, which of course was idiotic as my hand was not that
good. I was annoyed with the stupid opponent that prevented me from bidding
5H and showing my two suited hand!

Opponents doubled and dummy put down a good 5 card support. 6S made. 6C had
been down.

Easy money!

So, finding partner with an unexpected 5 card support in the suit you bid at
6-level is not very common, I guess.


author: Arend Bayer

subject: Re: I'm sure it's happened before

text:
Michael Angelo Ravera wrote:

Here is an auction where all 5 strains were bid naturally, yet our
partnership was confident that the last one was right (and at the right
level). Context is Chris Ryall's 2C structure, including ACOL 2's in a
major and an artificial 2NT rebid for strong 3-suiters; with the additional
twist that 2C denies a 5-5 hand (would be opened with a multi-meaning
transfer preempt).

The auction went
2C - 2D(1)
2S(2) - 3D(3)
3H(4) - 3N
4C(5) - 6C(6)
P
(1): promising at least one trick for either major
(2): not yet game forcing
(3): natural, GF
(4): exactly 4 hearts
(5): must be 3 clubs, as didnt show 3-suiter
(6): Opener's shape must be 5=4=1=3 or 6=4=0=3, thus responder with 1=2=5=5
could place the contract (having shown enough values with 2D and 3D
already).

I would like to say this happened at the table, but was just in a bidding
challenge :)

Arend


author: John D'Errico

subject: Re: I'm sure it's happened before

text:
In article <[email]>, "Michael Angelo Ravera" <[email]> wrote:

It happens. Partner and I bid a grand (7H) once where the
heart suit was never explicitly bid until the 7 level. It
rolled home.

John


author: Stephen Fischer

subject: Re: I'm sure it's happened before

text:
Adam Beneschan wrote:

I don't know - there's something to be said for putting hands like that
down as dummy.  The look on everyone else's faces can be priceless.

I'm actually surprised that the Argentinian declarer wasn't doubled, but
West might have decided that he didn't know what to lead against a
runout to 7NT.


subject: Re: I'm sure it's happened before

text:
Adam Beneschan wrote:

Here's one to consider - an unannounced 9 card suit.

I watched this hand at both tables in the recent Bermuda Bowl
quarterfinal between Argentina and USA 2.  Board 10, 3rd set.  Dealer
picks up at all vul:

AKJT98632
-
Q75
A

In both rooms, they reach the only making grand, and this hand never
shows spades in either auction.

Fornasari (dealer) - Palazzo:
2C (strong) - 3D (natural)
5NT (GSF) - 7C
7D

Rubin (dealer) - Ekeblad
1C (strong) - 1S (12+ unbal)
1NT (relay) - 2C (6 card minor)
2D (relay) - 3C (6+d, 4+h)
4D (diamond key card ask) - 4NT (0 or 3 controls)
5C (?) - 5D (?)
7D

The full hand:

           -
           A643
           AK9832
           QJ2
-                  Q754
KJT97              Q852
JT                 64
976543             KT8
           AKJT98632
           -
           Q75
           A

(Deal, players, auction, and notes from saved hand records from BBO.)


author: pfriedmanNoSpam

subject: Re: I'm sure it's happened before

text:
"Brian Baresch" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

My favorite came long ago when playing Precision:

2D(1) - 3D(2)
4D(3) - 5D(4)
6D(5) - 7H

1) 11-15, 3-suited, short in Diamonds
2) GF, asking for controls
3) 7 controls (has to be AAA + K)
4) pick your better major
5) heck, no, YOU pick it (4-4 in majors, equal strength -- meaning here,
both with 10s or neither
                   with tens since there is no room for opener to hold any Q
or J)
The 6D bid was made up on the spot - who could resist it?

Paul


author: Eric Tang Williamson

subject: Re: SAILOR U.S FOR DARING EYES

text:
In article <3grnhn$[email]>,
Enrique Conty <[email]> wrote:

Interesting stuff, ne?  Soon we'll be able to watch this stuff on TV!!!

Otakunization is stepping up (now we know why Gainax dropped out of
general circulation for awhile).  ^_^


author: Plaid Ranger

subject: Re: SAILOR U.S FOR DARING EYES

text:
Eric Tang Williamson ([email]) wrote:
: In article <3grnhn$[email]>,
: Enrique Conty <[email]> wrote:
: >
: >DIC is doing Sailor Moon (to be shown on Fox).
: >Summit Media is doing Magic Knight Rayearth (syndicated).
: >Some other company (*not* Saban) is doing DBZ (syndicated).
: >
: >
: >The World Will Know in October 1995.

: Interesting stuff, ne?  Soon we'll be able to watch this stuff on TV!!!

[sarcasm engaged]

Oh yay.  We get to watch DB on TV.... why doesn't this excite me?

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author: C-ko Kotobuki

subject: Re: SAILOR U.S FOR DARING EYES

text:
In article <3gtj7b$[email]>, [email] (Plaid Ranger) writes...

Oh, I'm excited.  I want to see just how much of the first couple of episodes
of Dragonball they're gonna cut out.  I'm estimating Dragonball 1-4 = #1,
at least.
THIS type of crap is why I don't want anime to become mainstream.  The next
thing you know, the non-violence advocates are going to start screaming...
C-ko


author: Wizard of Many Ways

subject: Re: SAILOR U.S FOR DARING EYES

text:
On 3 Feb 1995, C-ko Kotobuki wrote:

I'd have to agree with this.  Mainstreaming means no blood, no sex, and,
quite often, no discernable plot.

Have you ever noticed how VIOLENT non-violence advocates get when you
start talking blood.

Hey, I wonder if the FOX network is going to start showing Legend of the
Overfiend? ;>

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author: Gerald Leung

subject: Re: SAILOR U.S FOR DARING EYES

text:
Wizard of Many Ways  <[email]> wrote:

We MUSTN'T show ANY blood on public TV!  Do you realize what would happen
to our society if our children discovered that people actually have blood
in them?!  The HORRORS!  What would happen if our children find out that
we all need blood to live?

In the REAL world, nobody bleeds, especially not in the great and wonderful
USA!  In the REAL world, nobody has sex!  ALL little babies come from storks.
We're all made of the dust of the earth!  We absolutely musn't allow our
public to realize that life isn't perfect!  After all, we want to create the
perfect environment for our future generations!  We must order that all
the sick, dead, and crippled be removed from our children's sight at once
before more of the deadly damage is done!

How can we be expected to educate our children to one day run the world if
we slip and allow them to see all of our own follies?  ALL stories must end
happily ever after!

All of those blasphemers out there are just trying to lure all of our
golden children into their clutches!  All they do is serve the purpose of
evil!

How can our children grow up to be responsible people if we show them reality?

G
 L
Gerald "One of the obstacles to pristine mainstream anime:  Most of the
	American media loves to portray a farce as what is correct." Leung


author: Martins Sylvio

subject: Re: SAILOR U.S FOR DARING EYES

text:
All I can say is that television has two morals,... the first is television for kids, in which nobody has the real life drama, or comedy through life. they show bugs bunny, only for kids, not thinking about teenagers or young adults. Television should open their eyes about this problem in society, always forgetting the teens in their programs.

Violence is always suggested, never really shown, for example blood (mommy sees that she sream) NO. that's what TV producers think, and we should think again about how parents would really react, if the teen is watching tv, and looking at the RANMA eps. instead of robbing a bank or stealing or taking drugs. If teens would start to react to more mature cartoons, it would change a few mind.

OH Well, it's life


author: Tomar

subject: Re: SAILOR U.S FOR DARING EYES

text:
In article <3h7c13$[email]>,
Gerald Leung <[email]> wrote:

[slight clipping]

Mommy!  Tell me he is lying!  My virgin ears can't take this!

Seriously,
You could almost make a point that a lot of our problems are connect to
the fact that we screw up our children by sheltering them to much.
If a kid doesn't distingush between reality and fiction very well, how
are they going to do it when they are older?


author: [redacted]

subject: any good UK jewelers online?

text:
im looking to maybe buy some jewelry from a UK jeweler online, that
sells nice sterling silver gemstone rings.
anyone know of any good, trusted ones?

thanks in advance!


subject: Re: any good UK jewelers online?

text:
You might want to take a look at www.malcolmbetts.com  He works in a
variety of metals but is definitely into the gemstones.  Very unique
style to his work.


subject: Re: any good UK jewelers online?

text:
hi you can find sterling silver with gemstone at www.jewelsjaipur.com
mail id = [email]


author: Popeye

subject: What is one of the most comical things you have ever witnessed?

text:
Mine was in Atlantic City, New Jersey.  Here is the scene....spring
time, boardwalk, man eating hotdog, gobbles down half and then decides
he does not want anymore.  Man places hot dog on top of full trash can
and walks away.  Bum in trench coat and Seagull spot the hot dog at
the same time, both move for it at the same time, Bum runs, Seagull
flies, Seagull wins, Bum jumps for Seagull from bench while shouting
profanities, Bum misses Seagull and hotdog, ends up flying off of
boardwalk onto the beach sand below...priceless.

The strange thing was that at the time it seemed like it was happening
in slow motion, weird but comical.

73...Pops


subject: Re: fake fake fake

text:
On Apr 9, 7:02 pm, an old friend <[email]> wrote:

dork...a banned dork...bwahahahah!


author: an old friend

subject: stop the lies dloyd

text:
On Apr 9, 7:35 pm, Popeye <[email]> wrote:
fake


subject: Re: What is one of the most comical things you have ever witnessed?

text:
one of the most comical things was a ham radio operator telling the cb
operators

"Those aren't ham repeaters with roger beeps, you dumb idiot cb'ers.
They are ham repeaters with beep emission capability."


subject: stopt eh lies dloyd

text:
On Apr 8, 8:50 pm, Popeye <[email]> wrote:
fake


subject: Re: stop the stupidity BFM (Balding Fatty Morgan)

text:
On Apr 9, 12:22 pm, an_old_friend <[email]> wrote:

What is fake?


subject: stope the lies dloyd

text:
On Apr 9, 6:01 pm, Popeye <[email]> wrote:
fake


subject: stop the lies dloyd

text:
On Apr 10, 11:59 pm, "Thermos" <anon@anon> wrote:
and on 75 m as I heard an hour agao on Wi weather net the guy was
licensed in 1934 according the QRZ


author: Thermos

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Of course there is always the 2 meter clown who STILL uses CB terms such as
, "Roger that", or, "hate and discontent", or, "my handle is..."


author: Cy Galley

subject: Zoom

text: I see via ANN that Zoom has been served his annual non-invitation!


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Robert Yoder wrote:

Hi Robert;

Glad to see you are still kicking. I'm still here in Jakarta ducking
bombs and mother nature.

Pretty amazing, if you did the Rip Van Winkle thing in 1991 and just
woke up. Nothing would be different,a Bush in the White House ,war in
Iraq and people still being zooomed!

Frank Hitlaw (zoomed before Robert)


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Hey Chuck,

Didn't that dork yawn say something about you never having a face to
face with his puppeteer. I guess he never heard of the time we tried to
thank the mooz for the chicken dinners that we were accused of
stealing. I'd say that was pretty much face to face at least it was
till he called the cop. If I recall correctly several went through the
serving line with us,Norm Goyer ,Richard Riley,Happy Miles and a couple
of others. What set you and I apart was that we went looking for zooom
to actually thank him for the chicken. Best of all we found him and
then the fun really began!!!

I will have bring you a case of the famous Indonesian drink Procari
Sweat. That has to be the perfect chaser for Muzzleloader.Think about
it a shot of Muzzleloader washed down with a chilled can of Sweat.

Frank Hitlaw, Official chicken thief #2 and executive assistant to El
Pollo Loco. Fighting the dark forces since 1990