author: "James Kuyper Jr."

subject: Re: Name lookup for parameter-declaration-clause

text:
Troels Nordfalk wrote:

The relevant section is 3.3.6p1, which says that "The potential scope of
a name declared in a class consists not only of the declarative region
following the name's declarator, but also of all function bodies,
default arguments, and constructor _ctor-initializers in that class ..."

The only way to make that typedef work as desired is to make sure that
all uses of it occur in "the declarative region following the name's
declarator". As it stands, the use of 'X' in the parameter lists of g()
and h() must refer to a different 'X' than the one declared in the
typedef. If there is no other declaration of X, which is in scope in
those two places, then there's a syntax error.

3.4.1p7 applies to names used outside a member function body. 3.4.1p8
applies to names used inside the definition of a member function. The
domains where they apply overlap in that part of a function definition
which lies outside the function body: the decl-specifier-seq, the
declarator itself, and the ctor-initializer (8.4p1). However, that
doesn't make a contradiction. Each of those two paragraphs contains a
list of ways the name could be declared, at least one of which much
apply to every name used in the specified locations. In those locations
to which both sections apply, every name used must satisfy one option
from 3.4.1p7 AND one option from 3.4.1p8. No matter how different those
two lists are, that doesn't constitute a contradiction.

In fact, the two lists are very similar; the relevant difference in this
case is only that 3.4.1p8 allows use of any member of the class, while
3.4.1p7 allows use only of names of members that were declared before
the function definition.

If the 'X' typedef were in scope in those two places, it's use would
violate the stricter requirements of 3.4.1p7, and would therefore be an
error. Since that typedef isn't in scope, then if the code does not
contain a syntax error, the declaration of 'X' that is in scope at those
two places must be provided somewhere else. Depending upon where that
other declaration of 'X' is located; the code might meet the
requirements of both 3.4.1p7 and p8.

"... to allow the following code:

     struct S {
         void f(I i) { }
         typedef int I;
     };
"

I'm not a member of the committee, so I can't address "the intent of the
Committee". However, the use of I in the declaration of f() is outside
the scope of the typedef declaration of I. Unless there's another
declaration of I which is in scope at that point, this is a syntax error.

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author: Troels Nordfalk

text:
"James Kuyper Jr." wrote:

Ahh... thanks for pointing it out. I was confused by the fact that
in name look-up the turning point is after the function declarator-id
("g" and "h"). Also 3.3.6-2 ties the USE of names to scope.

Side note: I only wish it was formulated without the "not only":
"The potential scope of a name declared in a class consists of the
declarative region following the name's declarator AND all function
bodies, default arguments, and constructor _ctor-initializers in that
class ..."

So the type of parameters are not in the scope of members declared
earlier in the class. excellent point.

However, my primary concern was not these types. My example was
flawed with regards to my intent. Here is a better one:

struct A2 {
 void g(int x=d) {int y=x;} // 1
 void h(int x=d);           // 2
 static const int d;
};

The problem still is the conflict between 3.4.1-7 and 3.4.1-8, and the
exclusion of member function DECLARATIONs in 3.4.1-8.

(1) is covered by both 3.4.1-7 and 3.4.1-8, whereas (2) is only
covered by 3.4.1-7 and is therefore ill-formed. To me, this does not
make sense. Apparently GCC and Comeau agrees with me, since they
compile A2. This basically translates into that GCC, Comeau and I
would like 3.4.1-8 changed from ...

"A name used in the definition of a function that is a member
function (9.3)29) of class X shall be declared in one of the following
ways:..."

... into ...

"A name used in the DECLARATION of a function that is a member
function (9.3)29) of class X shall be declared in one of the following
ways:..."

It seems to me that a lot of other places in the standard uses
definition, where they mean both definition and declaration. Is there
an explanation for this ?

Sorry for not being specific; Unless otherwise mentioned, my examples
consists of entire translation-units.

Didn't you overlook the default arguments ?

Your interpretation of two (consecutive) statements as conjuctive clauses
makes sense, but I am not sure the standard as a whole will stand up to
it. If the committee accepts your interpretation issue 192 is NAD.

However I would like to point out that since GCC and Comeau actually
accepts the above example, they assume not AND but OR or maybe prefers
one over the other in some cases. your interpretation implies that
nothing but the function body needs to be postponed during parsing of
a class definition. Since this should be easier to parse than what GCC
and Comeau does, I can only conclude that these compiler-writers
whole-heartedly disagree with you.

Exactly one of my gripes with issue 192.

By the way, is there anyone from the committee, which can elaborate on
this ? Has issue 192 been discussed ?

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text:
Troels Nordfalk wrote:
....

OK, that makes your point clear, and it seems reasonable to me. However,
there's two different ways to resolve it. The other one would be to
restrict 3.4.1-8 to function bodies. That would obviously be the less
convenient resolution for developers, but there might be a reason by
implementors would prefer it - I haven't thought through all the
consequences.

Sorry; I don't know the answers to the "why" questions.

Ordinarily, that's what I'd assume. However, because of the
misunderstanding about scope, the failure mode of your code was one you
probably hadn't been thinking of, so I just wanted to make it clear
precisely how it would fail.

Those are part of the declarator. See 8.4p1, and 8.3.5.

....

On the web site there's no evidence that it's been discussed. I don't
know any more than that.

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author: FAQ Pointer

subject: comp.sys.sinclair FAQ Pointer

text:
[This is an automatically generated message; please report any
problems to Philip Kendall <[email]>]

Since the formation of the comp.sys.sinclair newsgroup in December
1993, various questions have been asked multiple times, and over the
years, answers to these questions have been collected together into
the comp.sys.sinclair/ZX Spectrum FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
document. The main site for the FAQ is:

  http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pak21/cssfaq/index.html

with mirror sites around the world listed on the above page; if the
above site is down for whatever reason, try:

  http://www.void.jump.org/faq/index.html

Currently, the FAQ consists of:

  * The Frequently Asked Questions, and their answers.
  * A listing of (almost) all the Spectrum-related resources currently
    available.
  * Listings and brief reviews of all Spectrum emulators.
  * Details on what a large number of Spectrum programmers, artists
    and the like have done since leaving the Spectrum scene.
  * An extensive technical information section (including pinouts and
    details of the file formats used by Spectrum emulators)

*Please* read the FAQ before posting here for the first time!


subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair FAQ Pointer

text:
FAQ Pointer <[email]> wrote in message news:<9gc4oj$qfn$[email]>...

s/void.jump/worldofspectrum, surely?

Philip, I think you'd better read the FAQ... ;-)


author: Philip Kendall

subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair FAQ Pointer

text:
In article <[email]>,
ROBERT.BAK <[email]> wrote:

Already done for the next posting -- I thought about a supersede, but
given as void.jump.org still works, it didn't seem necessary...

:-) The rest of the FAQ (at least, my development version of it) had
already caught up, but I missed this one (grepped through the source for
void.jump.org, but forgot the text file for the FAQ pointer...)

Phil


author: D. Scott Secor

subject: Hey, check this out "gulf cart" fans!

text:
http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20010302S0010

"... Ford Motor Co. has announced that it will produce and sell two types of
electric cars (in California): The Think City, a 9.8-foot-long two-seater
with a top speed of 56 mph; and the Think Neighbor, a golf cart with a top
speed of 25 mph. Similarly, DaimlerChrysler is expected to meet the mandate
by producing golf-cart-like vehicles."
Anybody remember the sixties classic driver's ed. film "Blood on the
Highway"?


author: Richard Brennan

subject: Re: Hey, check this out "gulf cart" fans!

text:
Tim May wrote:
Well, they'll get further with Good Drivers... of course!


text:
D. Scott Secor wrote:
I couldn't have put it any better myself!


author: Wade Ramey

text:
In article <bsTo6.544$[email]>,
 "D. Scott Secor" <[email]> wrote:

That was the version for chickenshits in the Midwest. In LA, we saw "Red
Asphalt", drove safely for about 10 minutes, then laughed hysterically and
gunned it down to the beach.

Wade


author: GFostel

text:
D.Scott Secor wrote:

Interesting news story on AP today.  The issue is whether electric assist
bicycles that are under 100 pounds and under 25 mph top speed (unassisted) is a
transportation vehicle like a car or a consumer product, like a bicycle.  The
"bicycles" in some cases are also "tricycles" and are very popular with the
elderly in climates where snow and sleet are not an issue.

Not an easy call.

---garyFostel---


author: Tim May

text:
In article <bsTo6.544$[email]>, "D. Scott Secor"
<[email]> wrote:

Yep. Used to be required viewing in Phys. Ed. classes.

These little electric cars are starting to appear on the roads here in
California. Still in very small numbers, though. (One of the brands is
made in Hollister, a town not far from me.)

What happens when a 3500 car or SUV meets a 900-pound golf cart on the
road?

"Fore!"

--Tim May


text:
"Richard Brennan" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
types
two-seater

It doesn't take an *Eagle* eye to see the *trap* that the State of
California is *pitching* its citizenry.  Silly electric golf carts will make
it *rough* to avoid the *hazard* of not being able to keep their lights on.
Conversely, internal combustion would be a *fair way* to avert the issue.


text:
"Wade Ramey" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Actually there were several that were required viewing, that was the only
one I could remember.  Very campy fare, not unlike fifties anti-drug
classics.


author: KJ Ayau

text:
Was "Blood on the Highway" the one that showed a kid up in a tree after being
ejected from a car?  That was the one I saw in Central California in the
mid-70s and it convinced me then and there to wear seatbelts.  Even in high
school, when buddies and I were blasting around in my parents' Oldsmobile Vista
Cruiser, doing 80 on back roads, drinking beer, I'd have my seatbelt on and
cinched tight!


author: Frank Ney

text:
On 08 Mar 2001 08:14:34 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser caused
[email] (GFostel) to write:

California called it a while back.  Look up section 406(b) of the motor
vehicle code.  Their limit is electric only, 1000 Watts, 20 MPH top speed.

Frank Ney  N4ZHG  WV/EMT-B  LPWV  NRA(L) ProvNRA GOA CCRKBA JPFO


text:
"Tim May" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
types
two-seater

ROTFLMAO

Yep.  I can hardly wait for the media uproar over the unfairness of seeing
the aftermath of two "huge" VWs flatten the first golf cart.  It should
prove to be great sport though.  ;-)


author: NaKaula

text:
In article <[email]>, Tim May
<[email]> wrote:

We're testing that in Honolulu right now.  Locally made 4-seaters are
available for in-town driving here.  Massive tubular 'roll-bar' frame,
no windows, open air.  Have not had one crash yet...give 'em time.  The
City & County incentive is that they are 'free parking' in metered
zones.  Very difficult to find charging outlets for them, though.


author: Bradley K. Sherman

text:
In article <[email]>,
Tim May  <[email]> wrote:

Not as much as when it meets a 600-lb motorcycle.

    --bks


text:
Frank Ney wrote:
a

I'll take your word for it.  The secret invention from Dean Kamen, at harvard,
sometimes refered to as "IT" or by the code name "Ginger" is not electric, but
uses a Stirling cycle engine. It uses a gyroscopically stabilized scooter with
encloser that includes impact absorbing bumbers all around.  (So much for
"secrets.")  I worry that I'll not fit in it.  A small cheap way of going the
three miles to the supermarket in cold rainy weather sounds pretty good to me.

---garyFostel---


text:
"Bradley K. Sherman" <[email]> wrote in message
news:9812np$432$[email]...

Yeah but Brad old chum, motorcycles have the advantage of maneuverability.


text:
"GFostel" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
<snip>

harvard,
but
with
the
me.

Yeah, yeah.  And the next revolutionary idea in automotive design will
feature a cold fusion engine courtesy of Ponds and Fleischmann.  You
neglected to consider that this guy's theoretical mode of transportation may
be more theory than transportation ... and more "supermarketing" than
marketability.  (Sorry to have stolen your vocabulary.)

Indeed, time will tell.


text:
In article <MM_o6.1455$[email]>,
D. Scott Secor <[email]$PAM> wrote:

In mid-air?  Tell it to folks in any ER.

    --bks


text:
"Bradley K. Sherman" <[email]> wrote in message
news:982ua8$agl$[email]...
maneuverability.

No, no no ... to AVOID situations that might otherwise send said motorcycle
skyward.


author: Bob Brock

text:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:47:56 -0600, "D. Scott Secor" <[email]>
wrote:

That's right, motorcycles stop much faster than cars do and move much
faster when rear ended by a truck.


text:
In article <ME7p6.1040$[email]>,
D. Scott Secor <[email]> wrote:

|  Per vehicle mile traveled in 1996, motorcyclists
|  were about 15 times as likely as passenger car
|  occupants to die in a motor vehicle traffic crash
|  and about 3 times as likely to be injured.
<URL:http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/ncsa/FactPrev/Motorcycle97.html>

You really are a clueless git.

    --bks


text:
"Bradley K. Sherman" <[email]> wrote in message
news:983ds2$ds5$[email]...
motorcycle

Me?  Did I mention anything about motorcycle accident rates?  I mentioned
the fact that motorcycles are more maneuverable than golf-cart-like
vehicles.  Talk about jumping to contusions.

That motorcycle riders quite often shun wearing headgear is expressed in
such statistics.  I suspect that motor vehicle accidents involving even
sillier modes of transportation (e.g., golf carts) will eclipse motorcycle
casualties, due in part to their pitiful performance and to their lack of
maneuverability.


text:
In article <8Nbp6.1075$[email]>,
D. Scott Secor <[email]> wrote:

Your suspicions plus $.35 will buy a phone call around here.

    --bks


text:
D.Scott Secor wrote:

Yeah, I've told him this too, but, being clueless, he doesn't get it.

Hmmmm.  I wonder if there might be a difference in personality profile of the
people riding in slow, clumsey micro-cars, and the people riding motorcycles?
I wonder if this difference might results in a difference in the accident
rates?

What I don;t get is why the right wind wacko's are so down on these things?
They don't need to buy one and there is no proposal to subsidize them. If they
are indeed dangerous, the insurance rates will skyrocket and no one will be
able to afford to use one.

There's an interesting insight here.

---garyFostel---


author: Tom Beckner

text:
GFostel <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

things?
they
be

The insight is they are mandated. The cost  will be distributed among
non-users, added to the unit cost of the manufacturers other models.

It's the same economics as an HOV lane. For each car making a twenty mile
trip on one gallon of gasoline, fifty cars and trucks sit in traffic each
using twenty percent more fuel for the same trip.

Tom Beckner


text:
"GFostel" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I think that your apparent agreement speaks volumes as to your clue-free
nature.  See below.

motorcycle
the
motorcycles?

That'd be just peachy-keen were they consigned to their own private roadways
(not that I am the least bit in favor of such things) -- but they aren't.
Silly government mandated -- not to mention unmaneuverable and exceedingly
fragile -- eco-dreams will become the unwitting "victims" of those
carelessly driving much larger vehicles, REGARDLESS of the nature of the
micro-car's driver.  Motorcycles often avoid the blindness and foolishness
of others, in no small part to the performance of their chosen ride, rather
than the bravery and daring of the motorcycle rider.

Golf carts belong on fairways, not right-of-ways!

things?
they
be

Myopic though it may be, your love of having big, beautiful, all-knowing
government dictate your every though and deed (at the expense of others)
never ceases to astound.  There is precious little "market" influence, to
which you allude, although it would be gratifying to see neoliberals squirm
when they *get* to pay their fair share of insurance for these deathtraps.
Doubtless, they'll convice the insurers to just boost the rates on SUVs -- a
"fair" trade-off in their narrow minds.


text:
D.Scott Secor wrote:
they

How does the government get into this?  An inventer at Harvard has an idea and
goes to the big car makers who think there may be something there.  No one in
government had a hand in this.

The maket influence you claim to be lacking is the basis for the inventors work
and the automakers interest.

Time will tell.

---garyFostel---


text:
On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:04:32 -0600, an orbiting mind control laser caused "D.
Scott Secor" <[email]> to write:

27 states now disagree.

Frank Ney  N4ZHG  WV/EMT-B  LPWV  NRA(L) ProvNRA GOA CCRKBA JPFO


text:
"GFostel" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
things?
If
will be
squirm
deathtraps.
SUVs -- a
and
in

California is mandating emission-free vehicles, for one.

The notion of anyone classifying themselves as an "inventor" of a vehicle
design is generally frivolous, at best.  That a large corporation elects not
to do its own homework is nearly commonplace and probably economically
beneficial to all parties concerned.

inventors work

Any resemblance between free market conditions and governmental meddling is
strictly coincidental.  ;-)


text:
"Frank Ney" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
"D.

Only 27?  Ye gods and little fishes!!!


text:
On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:55:53 -0600, an orbiting mind control laser caused "D.
Scott Secor" <[email]> to write:

Demographics plays a big part.  Old farts have money and time to lobby state
legislators.

Hell, my friend's parents have a retirement-community home in FL where the
first-response medic unit is a beefed-up golf cart.  The same community has a
2-engine volunteer fire company where the average membership age is in the
60's.

Frank Ney  N4ZHG  WV/EMT-B  LPWV  NRA(L) ProvNRA GOA CCRKBA JPFO


text:
Frank Ney wrote:

Hope when I'm an old(er) fart, I still have occassion to squirt a big hose.
(:-)

---garyFostel---


text:
"Frank Ney" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
"D.
state
has a

They're handicapping Emergency Medical Teams?  (Pun intended)  I want the
EMT to be driving a fully-equipped V8-powered truck that can carve a swath
through traffic at 80MPH if need be ... not a damned golf cart with a box of
band-aids and a top speed of 15MPH.

What is that?  Some sort of old-age population control measure?  Tell your
friend to get his parents the hell out of there vertically, before the EMT
takes them out in a golf cart, horizontally!


text:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:29:09 GMT, an orbiting mind control laser caused "D.
Scott Secor" <[email]$PAM> to write:

No, not really.  The way the community is laid out, the golf cart can actually
get to the scene faster by taking the cart paths than a full-size ambulance
would on the roads.  And the golf cart is manned by paramedics with full
equipment, so there is no delay-of-care issues.

Frank Ney  N4ZHG  WV/EMT-B  LPWV  NRA(L) ProvNRA GOA CCRKBA JPFO


author: Jerry Rowe

subject: Re: Is NT ready for prime time ? No, because it is financially unsound.

text:
In <[email]>, [email] (jim frost) writes:

I'm sure DEC wants to make money. However, their continued spending towards
Redmond has not profited them well. They, like others who hoped to make big
bucks from the M$ platform have been rebuffed. Only M$ makes money from it, and
only because of the preload deals it has.

  -=-         -=-        -=-       -=-        -=-       -=-       -=-     -=-
Jerry L. Rowe - Certified OS/2 Engineer
[email] Team OS/2 - Warping the Internet
  -=-         -=-        -=-       -=-        -=-       -=-       -=-     -=-
Is Microsoft a Tiger?

There once was a lady from Niger
Who smiled as she rode on a Tiger
They returned from the ride
With the lady inside
And the smile on the face of the Tiger.


author: Tiro Typeworks

subject: Re: Digits should have equal width

text:
On Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:06:39 +0100, Markus Kuhn
<[email]> wrote:

Not only should a proper typographic font family (or large, single
font, if glyph substitution routines are available) contain both
monospaced _and_ proportional figures (_and_ oldtsyle figures if
seriously intended for text settings), the monospaced and proportional
figures usually possess subtle differences in design. It is seldom
sufficient to simply adjust the spacing. Certain figures (0, 8, for
instance) have to be made unnaturally narrow for monospaced setting.
In the proportional figures, these numbers can be given a less cramped
width.

When I was digitising Albert Boton's fine Linux Sweet family for Agfa,
I was forced to redraw all of his splendid proportional figures,
because Agfa only wanted to make standard fonts and wanted monospaced
figures. Monospaced figures are very important, and Linex Sweet needed
them as much as any other font, but it is a shame that M. Boton's
beautiful proportional figures were lost. In titling and headlines
they really shined, and looked much better than even my best efforts
to provide sensitive monospaced versions.

John Hudson, Type Director

Tiro Typeworks
Vancouver, BC
[email]
www.tiro.com


author: Scott

subject: mxCreateNumericArray

text:
This should be a fairly simple answer.  I have a mex file in which I return a mxCreateNumericArray of dimension 3, call the dimension indexes a b and c with max sizes A, B and C.  In matlab this is stored as X.  How do I change the X(i, j, k) element in the mex file given I have the pointer to the mxCreateNumeric Array?  My data always seems disorganized along one of the dimensions.  Currently I am doing

when I want to change X(i, j, k)

I am changing address pointer + i + j*A + k*A*B.  This does not work.


subject: Re: mxCreateNumericArray

text:
On Jul 8, 3:48 am, "Scott " <[email]> wrote:

Clearly I was way too tired when I posted that above message as it
didn't make much sense.  Lets try again.

In a mex file I create:

dimensions[0] = A;
dimensions[1] = B;
dimensions[2] = C;
plhs[0] = mxCreateNumericArray( 3, dimensions, mxDOUBLE_CLASS,
mxREAL );
pRes = mxGetPr( plhs[0] );

The mex file returns pRes and it is stored in X.  When I want to
update X(i,j,k) before returning, I change pRes + i + j*A + k*A*B.
This seems to jumble the data in an unacceptable way.  What am I doing
wrong?

Thanks!


subject: Re: mxCreateNumericArray

text:
"scott.denenberg" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Are i, j, and k one-based or zero-based?

http://www.mathworks.com/help/techdoc/matlab_external/f21585.html#f22019

You're indexing into a MATLAB array but you're doing so from C, which means
you should be using C's 0-based indexing. Instead of fiddling with the
subscripting, though, you might want to use mxCalcSingleSubscript to
calculate the linear index to use into pRes.

http://www.mathworks.com/help/techdoc/apiref/mxcalcsinglesubscript.html


subject: Re: mxCreateNumericArray

text:
Thanks for the feedback.  Turns out I was doing it right all along and the issue was how the hardware was providing the information.  I appreciate the quick response though.

Scott

Steven_Lord" <[email]> wrote in message <iv72g4$9ki$[email]>...


author: Tommy the Tourist

subject: Re: Interested in thoughts on the Computer as a Communications Device

text:
In article <KSH.94Apr1222404@charybdis.128.227.224.10>,
Kevin S Ho <ksh@charybdis.128.227.224.10> wrote:

We should all realize that The Net is *NOT* free. Computers cost $,
fiber-optic cable costs $, repeaters and network interface cards cost
$$$. If you really wanted to help people in the inner-city,
re-directing that money away from useful programs such as head start
in order to facilitate those who "feel like having productive
discussions and exchanging useful information " is not the best way to
do it.

Yes. Apple, Cisco systems and Pacific Bell will gladly take the money,
but since there won't be any NEW money to be spent(c.f., the deficit),
you'll be depriving people of ways to fulfill their immediate needs in
order to fulfill your fantasy of a "new and open communication
medium."

The Net is not a silver bullet, not a New-Age yuppie cure-all, not the
savior of the universe. It's just a bunch of computers hooked
together. If you want to change to world, you certainly don't need The
Net to do it.

The Net won't make change any easier; in fact it makes things harder
because people insist on sitting back behind their screen waiting to
read about things changing instead of getting their butt out of the
chair and making things change.
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author: Shooshie

text:
In article <2nr711$[email]>, Tommy the Tourist
<[email]> wrote:

It is not the only thing necessary, but how do you propose to make people
aware of problems and possible solutions without widespread talk,
dissemination of information.

When I think of information flow 20 years ago versus now, I get excited
about the fulfillment of democracy. I don't mean in the lilly-livered sense
that it's going to be a perfect world. I mean in the sense that people can
actually talk about things where 20 years ago they could only listen. Have
you no idea how much faster many processes are moving thanks to the Net?
Also, check out the list of revolutionary communications devices posted by
Tim Shea and reposted by me. Take them all away and see where it leaves us.

In an article in the New Republic just a few months ago was a story about
George Soros, an American billionaire who spends about half what he makes
on Eastern Europe. He has set up universities, donated computers, copy
machines, staff, and more and more to the people of the newly independent
states of the former Soviet Union. In the article he mentions that toward
the end of the Soviet's rule, it was illegal in certain states to have copy
machines without registering them with the government. He (or someone, I do
not remember for sure) began quietly flooding the country with copy
machines, paper, and toner. Suddenly, the people were able to communicate.
Did this have nothing to do with the change in political climate there? You
be the judge.

I have talked to Latvians, Croatians, Romanians, and other Europeans on
Internet Relay Chat. Not long ago this would have been impossible. Today,
we can compare our countries, prices, politics, and just plain old music!
Russians used to be taught that the easy access to comsumer goods which we
have was a kind of propaganda and was not really the way the USA was. They
painted many pictures of us which rivaled the horrors we were taught about
them. A close business associate of mine for almost a decade has been a
Russian emigre who still after ten years can not believe how much better we
live and how much we take for granted. Now we can see for ourselves, and
they can too. They are now moved to action where propaganda once deprived
them of hope.

The same kind of awareness has begun crossing inner America. We have our
own shadow kings to deal with. They have depended as much on propaganda and
control of information as Eastern European or any other tyrants. We now can
more easily expose them to the light. The connections are here, the people
are talking about it, and many are doing things, too. I would wager that
the widespread corruption involved in the S&L scandal would have come to
light much quicker if Internet had been as populated as it is now. It's
simply too soon to tell what changes will result from this kind of free
communication. It is only now beginning to reach the critical mass which
makes it effective. Doubtless, there are people who have been waiting for
it to happen so long now that they are getting cynical. But I say keep
hope, and do not turn loose of what we have gained here. Do not give an
inch! Cynicism is instructive, but not for the reason the cynic thinks.

There have been many groups do wonderful works before the Internet existed.
Altruistic or progressive action-based people - like the folks at Habitat
for Humanity -  have always been with us. But the Net is making it possible
for people to form alliances which before could not have come together.
Researchers are discussing ideas here at a rate that was impossible in the
days when the only means of disseminating such information was at the
snail's pace of published papers with proven results.

I don't think I need to keep listing the benefits of the Net. They've been
driven into the ground. But the cynicism that pervades some people might
lead one to believe that those statements are not true. The same things
were said about railroads, automobiles, electricity, telephones, and just
about everything else that made people more mobile, more communicative.
There will be shadow sides to the net, but I'm gambling on the benefits to
outweigh them. Defense industries spun off consumer products from weaponry
research. Here at last is a consumer technology whose shadow side doesn't
directly involve instruments of destruction.

I do not know why some think that people who use the net all sit around on
their butts. I've found more exciting, interesting people of action here
than anywhere in my life, and I'm pretty widely traveled. I've also found a
contingent of sloths and degenerates, but what do they have to do with the
rest of the world? They have their place on the bell curve, and we have to
deal with them. Maybe, like graffiti artists, they ultimately yield
something of value, too - a barometer of our own shadows.

Perhaps you spend your energies in the wrong places, talk to the wrong
people, I don't know. But you obviously forget that there are millions of
people here. They are not all like that. Motivated people are not as likely
to sit around complaining to a crowd, and may not seem to carry as much
weight here as the chronically hopeless, for their actions take place
elsewhere. The net is a source of information and conversation, just as it
is meant to be.

I like to do things that yield results I can see, whether they are obvious
or subtle. I don't always succeed, but I am one of many thousands on here
who feel the same way. The net is where I get 80% of my motivation and
support. It has changed the way I live and my ability to work the way I
want to. If you and the others who have voiced similar opinions think this
place is just filled with butt potatoes it's time to take off your cynic's
hat, quit shooting yourself in the foot with ridicule for others' efforts,
rise up from your own butt, and start applying what you learn here to
something useful. It is not our problem, it's yours.

Shooshie

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author: Vadim Antonov

text:
In <[email]>, Shooshie ([email]) wrote:

: In an article in the New Republic just a few months ago was a story about
: George Soros, an American billionaire who spends about half what he makes
: on Eastern Europe. He has set up universities, donated computers, copy
: machines, staff, and more and more to the people of the newly independent
: states of the former Soviet Union.

His activity is actually harmful to deveploment of networking in
East Europe because existance of subsidised structures erodes the
market.  Essentially, every dollar Soros invested into networking
structure is a dollar not earned by domestic network service providers;
the less their revenues, the less funds they have to invest in
domestic infrastructure.  Someday Soros will stop funding "free"
networks and then *what*?

Essentially, if he really wanted to help he'd distribute the money
to local scientific, educational and humanitarian users to facilitate
them to purchase services from domestic service providers.  As it is
most of Soros money end up lining pockets of Western companies.

There is no danger that his activity will be dangerous to Russian
economy -- he's too cheap for that.  It can be a real killer in
smaller countries.

: In the article he mentions that toward
: the end of the Soviet's rule, it was illegal in certain states to have copy
: machines without registering them with the government. He (or someone, I do
: not remember for sure) began quietly flooding the country with copy
: machines, paper, and toner. Suddenly, the people were able to communicate.
: Did this have nothing to do with the change in political climate there? You
: be the judge.

The first time i hear about it -- and i used to work for a company which
made some money importing faxes and copiers.  Yet another myth i guess.
(I have a friend who specializes in "creation of the truth" -- it's
really easy to create a myth in the modern too-busy-to-think culture).
Somehow a self-serving statement repeated by few unscurpulous reporters
becomes a "fact" and "common knowledge".

(Remember also that ABC 60 minutes featuring a story of "import of
cheap programmers" -- some idiots really believed it and now are
busy organizing anti-immigrant rallies (soon, in TX).  I know the
guys who were interviewed and know for sure that one of them makes
$65k nowadays.  I'd say cheap programmers.  But i digress.)

--vadim

DISCLAIMER: The opinions above are my own and DO NOT represent views
	    or policies of my present or former employers.


text:
In article <2ntm61$[email]>, [email] (Vadim
Antonov) wrote:

Every dollar Soros invests in Eastern Europe is a dollar that did not exist
there before he did so. It is a transfer of wealth, no matter how you slice
it, Vadim. In this case, it is not so much a matter of eroding the market
as CREATING one in places where there is not one already. You are probably
closer to it than I am, so I have to respect at least some of what you say.
But one truth you cannot deny is the transfer of wealth and the stimulation
through education that it brings about.

Then they continue to run, incorporating local suppliers into the market
that was created. If Soros cut off the funding today, he would still leave
behind a body of people who have some familiarity with the structure of
what was there. They would use that knowledge to some benefit in creating -
even from scratch - a system they could not have done otherwise. His real
contribution has been education. And he has provided the facilities - and
hardware - to see to it that the education is possible.

I think everyone knows what happens when large sums of money are placed
without obligation for repayment into the hands of bureaucrats. The "local
scientific, educational and humanitarian users" you speak of generally are
little fiefdoms of bureaucratic power. It takes a saint to find the ones
which maintain a value system that promotes the use of such funds for the
public interest. Soros, I believe, found it very difficult to rely upon
these people. I don't think even he would entertain notions of his
sainthood. Instead, he decided to set up the kind of system that he thought
would help. It's his money. He's entitled to do that. Reports are that it
is doing more good than harm, although you are not the first to express
your concerns.

On the other hand, why SHOULD Soros give American wealth to anyone else
without at least benefiting the Americans who created that wealth? Simply
to give it away would be detrimental to our own economy. But to spend it on
American hardware which is then donated to that country is a way of
benefiting both countries. That kind of giving feeds everyone.

I have difficulty believing that someone who spends billions out of his own
pocket for the education of others is cheap. Maybe he is trying to raise a
shrine to himself or buy his way into heaven... I'm not the guardian of his
conscience, and I'm not qualified to say. But I can say that within the
framework of what he claims to have set out to do, he is not being cheap.

I've heard this "rumor" in at least three different places, beginning a few
years back when it was allegedly happening. I did not take notes, but have
no reason to believe that it is only a rumor, just as I have no reason to
believe that they would have informed you of their illegal actions. Does
that make it a myth? It's a big world, Vadim, as you surely know. Also, I
have read accounts by Soviet journalists who reported on coming into
possession of black-market copiers, and how they changed their lives,
making it possible to distribute whole texts as well as fliers,
announcements, newsletters, etc. One of my friends read banned Soviet
novelists - like Bulgakov - this way before he emigrated. I need only
mention the Gutenberg project to show how proliferation of computer
networks will only increase this capacity for growth.

By the way, I do not know George Soros. I am defending him because I admire
his actions and his philosophies (at least those he makes public). I admire
the concern he has shown for others besides himself, even if his solutions
are not perfect. Are we really prepared to criticize him for that? Mark
Twain wrote, and I paraphrase, "you can take a starving dog and feed him
and he will not bite you. Therein lies the difference between dog and man."
I'd like to believe that mankind could reach a maturity level at least as
advanced as dogs.

Thanks for writing, Vadim. I will at least keep your perspective in mind
when reading future stories about Mr. Soros. I'd hate to find you are
right, but I would hate even more to find out I had fallen for a
self-aggrandizing deceiver without so much as a question about his
character. For now, I think I'm on safe ground. I admire the man fully
aware that all men and women cast a shadow.

Shooshie

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author: Wilson Milano Leong

subject: Looking for WW friends

text:
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hello.

I'm looking for World-Wide friends, please reply to me.
And please prepare a few minutes to read
http://www.unitel.net/milano/index.html

Thank you for your attention.

Best regards,


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: MS.. not a _slow_ behemoth yet.. [WAS Re: NT minus MS-hype (and its supporting media and "research" groups]

text:
In <5cg44b$[email]>, [email] (Blake Stone) writes:

That's a problem with the Windows 95 version, but the OS/2 version of
Netscape has an uninstall.

Rgds,

Chris
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One Giant Leap backward for Mankind."
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*** [email] *** TKS for the Contributions.


author: Allan Groenlund

subject: anonumoys functions

text:
Hi.
I am trying to speed up evaluation of anonymous functions.
Basically i have a textstring of an "arbitrary" function  e.g. f(a,b,c) = a+mean(b c)
and i have a input data matrix n x m usually m>>n but n can  be around 4000.
In the example i would have something like  a 3 x 20000 matrix
and i want to compute res = f(every comlumn)
I have tried several variants
like
1.
tmp = mat2cell(data)
res = cellfun(f,tmp)

2.
res = nan(m,1)
for i=1:m
out(i) = f(data(:,i))
end

3.
res = nan(m,1)
str = 'for i=1:m res(i) = f(data(:,i) end'
eval(str)
end

Option 3 is really slow.
Option 1 and 2 are better but not fast. With option 2 being a little faster.

Anybody have any ideas how i can speed this up.

Best reagards

Allan


author: Matt J

subject: Re: anonumoys functions

text:
"Allan Groenlund " <[email]> wrote in message <in3vq3$mns$[email]>...
==================

No, there's probably nothing generic that you can do.
You should assess carefully whether the function f() really needs to be generic.
You should also assess carefully whether the operations really need to be done column-by-column or whether they are row-wise parallel.

For instance in the case of your example
f(a,b,c)= a+mean(b,c)
you would never process things column by column. You would do things row-wise as follows

f=@(a,b,c) a+(b+c)/2

out= f(data(1,:)   , data(2,:),   data(3,:));


subject: Re: anonumoys functions

text:
"Matt J" wrote in message <in4hrg$96q$[email]>...
Hi Matt
Thanks for your input.
I also have an implementation that works row-wise instead and it is about 7 times faster, and it is this gap i was trying reduce. I will keep both implementations and use the appropriate one at the given time. I was hoping there was a way to compile my function (i assume the JIT does something) and maybe something similar to cellfun where i do not have to use mat2cell first, that would make it run faster.

/Allan


author: Kroagnon

subject: Re: Unreal 2: Thumbs up

text:
"Mikke" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

The version posted to the newsgroups is a BIN/CUE of the final retail code
and isn't cracked in any way (apart from the CD check on the game EXE). It's
final, buggy beta-like code typical of Epic BuggyGames. Easily over a dozen
CTDs per 2-3 hour gaming session. Always the same OpenAL errors, nearly
always in a big firefight.

That being said, I keep starting the game up and continuing regardless,
rather than putting it down to wait for a patch. It's a good game.

But the people who will be buying this game this week at $50 and getting
exactly the same code, will. What excuse will you make up for them?


author: Goldfinger

subject: Re: Unreal 2: Thumbs up

text:
"Kroagnon" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
It's
dozen

I am embarrased to say I got stuck in the initial weapon guy.  He just talks
about different weapons without giving me any.  How should I proceed?


author: Ralph Snart

subject: Re: Unreal 2: Thumbs up

text:
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:27:20 -0600, Kroagnon <[email]> wrote:

sounds like a bug in your video card drivers.  i played it last night for
3-4 hours without a single crash.

-rs-


subject: Re: Unreal 2: Thumbs up

text:
"Goldfinger" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Zcz%9.413577$[email]...

code
talks

You don't actually get any weapons on any of the Atlantis (space ship maps).
He'll give them to you when you go to the next mission (the shuttlepod).
Threw me for a loop the first time too. :)


subject: Re: **HPFS, what is it???**

text:
In <[email]>, [email] (David Shepherd) writes:

As a DOS device driver, that presents itself to the system as a block (ie disk)
device, it can not be done, as DOS internally is to fat based.

You can however, write a TSR (/ driver) that makes the drive look like a
network drive and therefor access HPFS. It ads an abstract layer to it, enabling
HPFS to be used.

-Chris

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author: dave

subject: Likely KDE exploit on 4.1

text:
I now consider it extremely likely that there is a new KDE exploit
which can be exploited on release 4.1.  After having trouble with
the mouse cursor having a mind of its own on my system upgraded to
4.1, I reinstalled all of 4.1 + packages from scratch. I then created
a test user and started kde from that user. The cursor immediately
and repeatably started moving counter to my own motion and away
from a button I wanted to click on. Other evidence suggests to me
that an intruder has a control over my desktop, possibly via a
duplicate display.  This problem with the mouse makes the entire
X/kde graphics interface unusable for me. Fortunately I can do
almost everything I need to in console mode, although operating
without konqueror is painful.

Dave Feustel


author: Clever Monkey

subject: Re: Likely KDE exploit on 4.1

text:
dave wrote:
Can you actually see traffic coming in that represents remote display
connections?  Can you trust all your internal users?  That is, if this
is a lab, do you know if someone local is doing something.  If someone
was coming over the wire (or wireless) you should be able to see the
traffic.  An easy test is to pull the network connection, or down the
net devices and see if the problem persists.

Otherwise, this sounds like X having trouble understanding your mouse.
Sometimes X/Y motion is seen backwards when the device was setup funny.
  At least this is what I used to see on Linux when I used X.


subject: Re: Likely KDE exploit on 4.1

text:
Clever Monkey <[email]> wrote:

I am the only user of this computer. I have not installed any wireless
connection.  The problems was resolved not by replacing the mouse,
disconnecting the keyboard, or disconnecting the internet, or reinstalling
OpenBSD(all of which I tried), but by turning the computer off. Since I turned
the computer back on 5 minutes later the mouse has been rock solid. That is a
very big relief to me. I think I need to accelerate my plans to get an
air conditioner.

That's an interesting observation. what does 'funny' mean in this context.

Thanks,
Dave


subject: Re: Likely KDE exploit on 4.1

text:
dave wrote:
So, something is flaky in X, the mouse, the hardware or the OS that
manifests as occasional weirdness.  This seemed the likelier explanation.

X can be a pain to setup.  Sometimes big differences can be seen in
subtle changes to the config files.  It used to be pretty typical for
the occasional install (of X; I have no experience with X on a recent
release of OBSD) to behave exactly as you describe here.


subject: Re: Likely KDE exploit on 4.1

text:
Clever Monkey <[email]> wrote:

Actually, it seems to have been something in the serial interface for the mouse
port that got messed up and was only cleared by turning off the power for
a few minutes. It occurred to me that this behavior could be produced by an
exploit implemented in SMM.


subject: Re: Likely KDE exploit on 4.1

text:
dave wrote:
Sure, though I don't know what "SMM" is.  I suggest ruling out the
common, benign reasons for observed behaviour, first, before moving onto
the more difficult and less common causes.

There are a whole class of X interface issues that stem directly from
good, old-fashioned flakiness, and many of them look like "my pointer is
misbehaving in an odd way."  Thus, has it been since the mists of time
when giants walked the earth.

Jumping right to an unlikely /and/ unfounded conclusion is not working
from the known to the unknown in a logical manner.  Just because it is
within the slimmest realm of possibilities that some nefarious hacker
could have come up with a clever attack just to remotely move your mouse
pointer around in an annoying way does not mean that this is necessarily
the case.  It is also an assumption that is easily tested.

I suggest this only because posting to this newsgroup about some exploit
without providing either a logical case (that cannot be explained by
some other, more benign cause) or obvious steps proving the obvious has
been ruled out will only get you killfiled and/or ignored.

So, unless you just want to waste your own time, practise a little due
diligence and hold off on posting until you think you have a real case.


subject: Re: Likely KDE exploit on 4.1

text:
SMM stands for System Maintenance Monitor. SMM is hardware/software that
runs invisibly on most, if not all x86 architectures. SMM code controls
the fans and some other hardware. All sorts of interesting things can
be done in SMM mode.

Clever Monkey <[email]> wrote:


subject: Re: Likely KDE exploit on 4.1

text:
dave wrote:
[Please don't top-post.  I've corrected that here.]

I'm sure this SMM stuff was created with no security in mind and is
completely exploitable.  This does not change the fact that it is
unlikely that any such exploit just happened to affect you.  Humans are
very, very bad at risk assessment, and we tend to over-emphasize certain
types of risk.

I still stress that one should consider the facts first (which requires
collecting them in a reasonable manner) before enumerating all the
possible causes and ranking them starting at the least likely and most
newsworthy.  This is a skill worth learning.

It makes no sense jumping to unfounded conclusions in the security
world, since it adds to the noise and actually lessens security.  By
focusing on the possibility of an exploit rather than the reality, we
actually lessen overall system security by making it harder to determine
where the real risks lie.


subject: Re: Likely KDE exploit on 4.1

text:
Clever Monkey <[email]> wrote:

You are sure, but wrong about SMM being created with no security in mind.
See the SMM documentation in the Intel and AMD docs.  Also see the paper
"Using CPU System Management Mode to Circumvent Operating System Security
Functions" by Loic Duflot.

I suspect that you are correct that SMM is exploitable.

Now that is an assertion worth backing up with proof.


subject: Re: Likely KDE exploit on 4.1

text:
dave wrote:
This is pretty much an accepted fact.  See Schneier, et al.  There are
many, many studies suggesting this very thing.  There is lots of good
stuff out there on this very subject.


subject: Re: Likely KDE exploit on 4.1

text:
Clever Monkey <[email]> wrote:

It is also an accepted 'fact' that U.S. citizens have Constitutional rights.
That is provably false, no matter how many people believe it.

So you ought to be able to cite at least one study supporting your assertion.


subject: Re: Likely KDE exploit on 4.1

text:
dave wrote:
Seems a little off-topic but, as always, there is design and there is
practise.  Certainly there is a fair amount of dialogue around
Constitutional Rights, and the expression or curtailment of same.  The
supreme courts of most constitutional democracies are always busy
interpreting legislation.  A constitution is just a framework, and the
implementation or expression of those "rights" are balanced with other
criteria.

Since we are on the subject of US constitutional law, the executive
branch is certainly happy to curtail constitutional rights to appeal to
security theatre hysteria, but it isn't like this has not happened in
the US before.  John Adams, Wilson and FDR can all be criticized for the
same sorts of constitutional jiggery-pokery, and all with the best of
all misguided reasons.

It is American citizens who have responded in the past to rescind
unconstitutional amendments, and it will be American citizens who will
/eventually/ have to fix this latest executive branch gaffe.

Attempting to prove a negative is not exactly the best way to practise
empiricism.

In an informal setting like this, I expect you to be able to STFG.  I
gave you an excellent starting place, but this is a /very/ well studied
area of human perception.  If you have made up your mind to disagree,
then it is unlikely that any link I provide will ever satisfy you.

There is all kinds of evidence that people overestimate the dangers
associated with plane-crashes, school shootings, shark and terrorist
attacks, while minimizing the dangers from risks they are statistically
more likely to run into:

- car crashes
- dog attacks
- accidents in the home and at work
- etc.

On the whole, we tend to overestimate the dangers associated with highly
visible or newsworthy events (by definition, something is newsworthy if
it is more unusual than everyday occurrences; cars kill more people
every day than some disease do in a year, and yet you rarely hear about
fatal car crashes except as a traffic report, or if the crash involves
someone famous, or the time or setting is novel [e.g., a family around
Christmas time]) and have a hard time ranking and assessing risk in a
dispassionate manner.

The same sorts of trends affect decisions, attitudes and understandings
of computer security.  The fact is that a clever exploit is rarely
leveraged to any serious degree, but is often perceived as more common
or important than the truly common sorts of attacks that we should be
more concerned with.  "Phishing" and identity theft for the purposes of
fraud are, by far, more common dangers in this age than some platform-
or system-specific potential exploit.

I invite you to do your own research, as this is a fascinating area of
human psychology.


author: Aaron Frinzell

subject: HP500C and GIFs

text:
I've seen this question posted before but with no reply.
So, here goes again.

  Is there a Shareware program (via FTP) that can print
GIFs and other "picture" files on a HP500C.

  BTW, if someone feels that I should post this to another
group, please let me know which one.

Thanx,
alf

info/flames => [email]
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author: Vladimir PLOTTO

subject: Re: HP500C and GIFs

text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (Aaron Frinzell) writes:
|>   Is there a Shareware program (via FTP) that can print
|> GIFs and other "picture" files on a HP500C.
|>...
|> Thanx,
|> alf
|>
When I tried "Paint Shop Pro", it took about 1 hour to print a 640x480
color picture (with a 386SX16), but the result worth the time you spend.
Be sure to use the HP's Windows driver, it gives better (but slower)
results printing "true color" than the Microsoft's one.
Anyway, I think that any other software able to read GIF files and to
print them via a Windows driver, will give similar results.
If you are looking for a DOS program, thinks are not obvious as well !

Vlad.


author: Robert Holmes

subject: HP500C and GIFs

text:
-> Is there a Shareware program (via FTP) that can print
-> GIFs and other "picture" files on a HP500C.
First off, you should have the newest HP windows 3.1 drivers for your
HP 500c.  If not, call up HP and request them.  These allow you to print
full color GIFs or anything from Windows.
There are several Windows shareware programs that allow you to print
pictures.  Perhaps the best is Paint Shop Pro.  WinJpeg also works and
most others that can print at all.
--Robert Holmes

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author: David Filion

subject: Substring result short by 1

text:
Hi,

I have a question about substring(), when I run the following query:

prepaid=# select substring('15148300', 0, 5);
substring
-----------
1514
(1 row)

I get a result with only the first 4 characters, not five.  Why is
that?  The documentation doesn't spend much time discussing the
substring() function and google turned up nothing.  I tried
searching the archives but the site is down.

David

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author: "gnari"

subject: Re: Substring result short by 1

text:
From: "David Filion" <[email]>

try substring('15148300', 1, 5);

gnari

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author: Tom Lane

subject: Re: Substring result short by 1

text:
David Filion <[email]> writes:

AFAICS this is per spec.  It's a bit odd that SQL doesn't consider
start position less than 1 as an error, but that's how the spec
is written:

            a) Let C be the value of the <character value expression>, let
              LC be the length of C, and let S be the value of the <start
              position>.

[ so for your example, LC = 8, S = 0 ]

            b) If <string length> is specified, then let L be the value of
              <string length> and let E be S+L. Otherwise, let E be the
              larger of LC + 1 and S.

[ L = 5, E = S+L = 5 ]

            c) If either C, S, or L is the null value, then the result of
              the <character substring function> is the null value.

[ nope ]

            d) If E is less than S, then an exception condition is raised:
              data exception-substring error.

[ nope ]

            e) Case:

              i) If S is greater than LC or if E is less than 1, then the
                 result of the <character substring function> is a zero-
                 length string.

[ nope ]

             ii) Otherwise,

                 1) Let S1 be the larger of S and 1. Let E1 be the smaller
                   of E and LC+1. Let L1 be E1-S1.

[ S1 = 1, E1 = 5, L1 = 4 ]

                 2) The result of the <character substring function> is
                   a character string containing the L1 characters of C
                   starting at character number S1 in the same order that
                   the characters appear in C.

[ result = what you got ]

The only case in which you can get an error is by specifying a negative
L.  Otherwise, you get whatever part of the string overlaps your
subscript range specification --- at either end.

			regards, tom lane

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subject: HELP: StarTrek 25th Ann. game

text:
I need some help with the code that opens the door on the asteroid
Scythe.  I was almost shure that the code was base 3 for our number 17, for the
17th letter of the lucer alphabet scythe.  the base 3 number would translate to
"122" but that did not work.  I am not exactly shure what the ships "computer"
ment by (after base 3) "organized in units of three making sets of 99."  Help
me please I'm going crazy of this one or am I over looking the obvious.

Thanks
Kevin McConnell
Wesleyan U.


author: Justin Warburton

subject: Re: HELP: StarTrek 25th Ann. game

text:
[email] writes:

I would like to know also I dont know where you got all that from but I am going
crazy over this door thing.

thanks in advance


subject: Re: HELP: StarTrek 25th Ann. game

text:
When you check your computer references, make note of the "special" numbers
mentioned (ie. what numbers are significant within the context of their
mythology and religion). Hope this helps. Regards.


author: Steve Gilbert

subject: Re: HELP: StarTrek 25th Ann. game

text:
Justin Warburton ([email]) wrote:

: [email] writes:
:
:
: >	I need some help with the code that opens the door on the asteroid
: >Scythe.  I was almost sure that the code was base 3 for our number 17,
: >for the 17th letter of the lucer alphabet scythe.  the base 3 number
: >would translate to "122" but that did not work.  I am not exactly sure
: >what the ships "computer"
: >ment by (after base 3) "organized in units of three making sets of 99."
: >Help me please I'm going crazy of this one or am I over looking the obvious.
:
: I would like to know also I dont know where you got all that from but I
: am going
: crazy over this door thing.

I seem to have lost my notes on this game [ :-( ], but I recall that all
this information was obtainable from the Enterprises' computer.  Start
by asking it about either the solar system, planet, or Scythe, then ask
about the two races it mentions.

I believe that there are two doors, and that 17 and 99 [in base 3] were
the codes that opened them.


author: Ken Fishkin

subject: Re: HELP: StarTrek 25th Ann. game

text:
Hello,
    I need a different form of help with ST25.
    I was _extremely_ disappointed to find that most of the missions
require you to fly the Enterprise like a jet-fighter in a Wing-Commander
style arcade shoot-out.
    This disappoints me mainly because I am _terrible_ at shoot-em-ups
like this. I can never figure out where the hell the enemy is (the radar
only gives you 2 of the 3 dimensions you need), and unfortunately the
game doesn't allow you to relegate command to Spock or something like
that to handle the combats.
    Does anybody have any tips for an utter incompetent on how to
do the shoot-em-up part? I can't even beat the 1 stinking Pirate ship
at the start of mission #2.

Thanks in advance,


author: Shadowspawn

subject: Re: HELP: StarTrek 25th Ann. game

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Ken Fishkin) writes:

Well, you could get the cheat which makes you invulnerable during
fights!
Probably on wuarchive somewhere...

Steven


author: Steve Baumgarten

subject: FTL does it again!  OIDS update just arrived

text:
FTL is a classy outfit, regardless of what people think about their
policy of requiring the use of the master OIDS disk until the software
is registered.

Just yesterday I received a disk in the mail.  The disk contained the
OIDS 1.2 Updater application, which updated my copy of OIDS to the
latest version.  Evidently this version is required if you want to
play OIDS on the Plus or SE under System 7.  It also contains a
much-needed feature (at least for me): the ability to play OIDS on a
screen smaller than your monitor.  People who have 21" monitors needed
to play OIDS in 1-bit mode (or have an accelerated graphics card) in
order to get decent performance; a new option allows you to play on a
640x480 section of your monitor a la Solarian.

Bug fixes and new features, all for free, and all without having to
ask for them, send in proof of purchase, master disks, etc., etc.

I only wish all of the major software houses operated like this.
Amazing that FTL can afford to provide this level of customer service
for their $35 game, when most major software houses charge ridiculous
upgrade fees for secret upgrades to products that cost 10 times what
OIDS costs or more.

Like I said, I think FTL is a classy outfit.  If you haven't paid for
your copy of OIDS, give these guys a break and do so -- they really
deserve our support.  They've produced an awesome game, they're
selling it for a reasonable price, and they're supporting it better
than anyone has any right to expect.  Way to go!


author: James Preston

subject: Re: FTL does it again! OIDS update just arrived

text:
[email] (Steve Baumgarten) writes:

}Like I said, I think FTL is a classy outfit.  If you haven't paid for
}your copy of OIDS, give these guys a break and do so -- they really
}deserve our support.  They've produced an awesome game, they're
}selling it for a reasonable price, and they're supporting it better
}than anyone has any right to expect.  Way to go!

I've just gotta ask this:  given that OIDS is a commercial product, and
that it uses the key disc copy-protection scheme, how is it that anyone
has a copy that they haven't paid for?  (Before anyone thinks about
flaming me:  I bought my copy of OIDS and I am NOT looking for ways
to avoid paying for future games; I'm just curious, that's all.)

On the other hand, your singing the praises of FTL gives me the perfect
lead-in to my gripes about OIDS:

I just spent over an hour last night playing ONE game of OIDS (where "one
game" means completing all planets in one galaxy).  Now whether that time
is typical or I'm just incredibly slow is not the point.  I just can NOT
believe that there is no way to save a game in progress.  I can understand
that saving a game while you're on a planet could be too complicated, but
saving the game between planets would be trivial.  They've already got
that stupid cockpit view intermission, so adding a "Save" button there
would be easy.  And at that point, the only information that needs to be
saved is the current galaxy, the next planet, and the number of points,
ships, bombs, and rescued oids.
It just really boggles my mind that in a game where the amount of time
needed for one session is completely open-ended (dependent on the number
and difficulty of planets in the galaxy) the designers wouldn't include
a "save" feature!

My other, related, gripe is one I have about most games of this nature:
Why on God's green Earth can't I choose which planet to start on?  Maybe
I just have a low threshold of interest, but somehow, once I've "conquered"
a particular planet, it just isn't a lot of fun to play anymore.  So if
I'm unable to complete a galaxy, either because I die or because I can't
save the #$@!@#!% game, I have very little desire to go through the tedious
task of clearing the planets I've done in order to see the planets I
haven't done.

Am I the only one who finds such things annoying?

Does FTL have a forum on America On-Line?  Maybe I'll check tonight and
send these gripes where they might do some good.  (Ten-to-one, though,
that I get the stock answers:  "The designers felt that saving games in
progress was not in the spirit of the game.  A big part of the challenge
of the game is to complete all the planets of a galaxy; allowing the
player to select a starting planet would change the whole character of
the game. . .")

--James Preston


author: Dan Walkowski

text:
If you really want to play a particular planet in a galaxy, copy it out into
a new one with the planet editor.  only takes a second.


text:
[email] (Dan Walkowski) writes:

}If you really want to play a particular planet in a galaxy, copy it out into
}a new one with the planet editor.  only takes a second.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I know there are ways around the problem.
The point I wanted to make was that the game designers screwed up and
created the problem in the first place.  This is a long standing pet
peeve of mine with respect to games on home computers:  Too many designers
just don't seem to believe in OPTIONS.  I don't know if it's an ego thing,
or if they just never stop and THINK about how different people might
look at a game in different ways, or if they just can't get out of "arcade
game" mode where the object is to get the player to spend the most quarters.

The common thread that I've noticed in most of the glaring ommisions of
options is game points.  There seems to be an attitude of, "Well, if we
let you start at any level (or planet) what should we do about the points
that you would have earned at earlier levels?"  I say, who cares?  I don't
play the game in order to get the high score, I play for the fun of
playing.  Besides, that's why one makes the starting level an OPTION; so
that those who WANT to go for high score can do so, and those who just
want to play the different levels/planets can do so.  Options, by their
very nature, make more people happy.

I'll ask this again, and mention that it is not a rhetorical question:
Am I the only one who feels this way?

--James Preston


author: John Navas

subject: Re: Quantum, Seagate, IBM, or Maxtor?

text:
[POSTED TO comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.comm]
Bobby Wang <[email]> wrote:

I know of no disk benchmark that reliably predicts real-world performance.

I have a carefully calibrated and repeatable application suite that I run disk
drives through.

I'm afraid the type of head technology has nothing to do with transfer rate,
which is affected only by (1) linear bit density, (2) rotation speed, and (3)
controller overhead.


author: Scott

subject: VIM How to use templates only in a certain directory?

text:
I'm using the au feature of vim to insert a standard head at the top
of my new source files like so:
au BufNewFile *.java 0r $HOME/src/templates/header

But depending on what project I'm working on I may want a different
header. I can tell what project I'm working on by what directory I'm
in. Is there any way to do something like this? I would love it if you
could specify your BufNewFile pattern using regular expressions ala:

au BufNewFile "$PROJECT1_HOME"/.*\.java$" 0r
$HOME/src/templates/proj1Header

au BufNewFile "$PROJECT2_HOME"/.*\.java$" 0r
$HOME/src/templates/proj2Header

But since you can't does anyone have any ideas for another way to do
it?
Thx in advance.


author: Gary Johnson

subject: Re: VIM How to use templates only in a certain directory?

text:
Scott <[email]> wrote:

Sure you can.  I have the following in my ~/.vimrc, for example:

    au BufNewFile,BufRead /project/*.{c,h,mdl} setlocal cinoptions=fs{s(0t0
    au BufNewFile,BufRead */L2/*.c             setlocal cinoptions=fs{s:0(0t0

If you need to include some variable in the pattern, you may have to
enclose the autocommand in an exec command--I don't know, I haven't
tried that--or you can put tests like these in the command section
of the autocommand:

    if getcwd() =~ "^/project/" | <do something> | endif

    if $CLEARCASE_CMDLINE=~"^edcs" | <do something> | endif

Note that autocommand patterns use file patterns, such as used by
Unix shells, not the regular expressions used elsewhere in vim.
That's probably what got you.  See ":help autocmd-patterns".

(Disclaimer:  The above are just things I've added to my ~/.vimrc
from time to time as needed and aren't necessarily _good_ examples
of how to do these things.)

HTH,
Gary


text:
Gary Johnson <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Wow! That was so easy I didn't try it that way before, thinking that
your syntax functioned _exactly_ like the shell globbing chars. I
assumed project/*.java would only find things in the project dir (ala
shell command), and not the sub dirs. I love vim more every day.
Thanks!


author: Ralf Huelsmann

subject: DNS Package under Win95 ?

text:
hi !

does anybody know a DNS (MX) package for windows95 ?

where t find software/info... whatever..

i know: it only supports a few ports at one time.. no problem

thanx

greetings from germany
ralf
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author: William H. Magill

subject: New list for SNMP analysis and usage.

text:
I agree with Mohamed. It would be of great assistance. It is an issue which
needs help. It is also a track I would like to encourage at the Third
International Symposium on Integrated Network Management.

One problem is that most of the reporting capabilities and data generation
tend to be machine and package dependant. The Perl-users list also winds up
with occasional scripts in the area. However, I imagine that most folks
running nets are in the same boat that I am - multi-vendor/multi-package,
lots of raw data, very little interpretation other than "gee today's graph
is bigger than yesterday's."

The "big-lan" list gets into the discussion of this sort of thing every
once in a while and might be a good place to start conversations to drumm
up interest.

William H. Magill                         Manager, PennNet Technical Services
Data Communications and Computing Services (DCCS)  University of Pennsylvania
Internet: [email]                   [email]
          [email]


author: John Pickens

subject: Re: New list for SNMP analysis and usage.

text:
Whether this is a separate list or not is not a major issue to me.

However, this sounds like a topic that should be shared between
the operational folks and the RMON MIB working group.  Yes?

JP


author: dave o'leary

text:
A list for network operations people doing analysis of network statistics
already exists - it is the list for the IETF Operational Statistics
Working Group.  Since I only read the snmp group every couple of weeks
I may have missed what exactly you are looking for, but this sounds like
the right thing.

To subscribe, send mail to [email].

We are looking for people who can make actual contributions -
despite a 10 month existence, we've done little except explore
several deep rat holes, although some progress is starting to
occur (documents providing some direction, etc.)

					dave

p.s. all of the ietf mailing lists are gated to newsgroups these
	days, too, I can't remember the hierarchy though.


author: Ed Vielmetti

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (dave o'leary) writes:

   We are looking for people who can make actual contributions -
   despite a 10 month existence, we've done little except explore
   several deep rat holes, although some progress is starting to
   occur (documents providing some direction, etc.)

OK, let me start by asking some real live questions.

What tools are people using to stare at SNMP traffic statistics?  S?
SAS?  XLISP-STAT?  What sort of reports do you try to produce?  Are
you looking for evidences of long term, short term, aberrant one-time
behavior?  Do you use peak-load traffic or average load traffic to do
capacity analysis?  At what point do you decide a link is saturated?
When do all of your users eat lunch?  Dinner?  Do they eat lunch
together or in shifts?  Do they fire up ftp mirroring cron jobs at 4
am?  Is there a correlation between traffic load and mean time between
failures?  Do you detect failures of less than 5 minutes?  Do you
count them in your MTBF calculations?  How much aggregate traffic do
your 56 KB lines carry?  T1?  T3?  Do you measure network latency?
With PING?  With NTP?  Do your users find out about pessimal routing
before you do?

Are there archives for this other list?

Wore out my ? key, have to quit now.


author: Anthony D. Tribelli

subject: Re: Apple FUD and hollow marketing

text:
[email] wrote:
: [email] (Anthony D. Tribelli) writes:
: >Bernd Meyer ([email]) wrote:
: >: [email] (Dave Haynie) writes:
: >
: >: >The MacOS relied on the fact that the original Macs, like all 68000s,
: >: >had only 24-bits worth of real address space. It used the extra 8-bits
: >: >in address pointers for other things, very bad once you get a 32-bit
: >: >machine. Which is why the original MacOS was not considered 32-bit
: >: >clean.
: >:
: >: Did the actual OS do that, or was it just applications? ...
: >
: >Application developers learned that trick from Apple folks. Remember how
: >memory challenged the original Mac was. 128K, just like my Apple //e at
: >the time.
:
: Had nothing to do with the size of the memory.  This is just a clever
: and fast assembly language programming trick ...

But when memory is sparse and slow such tricks begin to look more
attractive. A programmer may get into an avoid memory mindset, some get
irrational and take things too far. As for clever, I don't think so.
Clever tricks are the ones that don't backfire.

Tony


author: [redacted]

subject: Backups -- Dump and DVD R/W ?

text:
Hi,
We've got a 5.5-RELEASE box running nicely, MySQL, phpBB, webmail
and a good hundred users.  FreeBSD rocks!
Now the question of backups arises.  That box has a DVD writer in
it, but no one here (including me) knows how to use FreeBSD to write
to DVDs.  Can someone advise, or point in the direction of some good
documentation?  _Can_ FreeBSD write to DVDs?
Thanks.


author: Jason Bourne

subject: Re: Backups -- Dump and DVD R/W ?

text:
[email] wrote:

I have as yet to take the plunge and begin doing backups to DVDs, but I have
used atapicam and cdrtools extensively for years with CDs. YMMV, especially
with regard to specific hardware.

You will want to build a kernel with the following items (some may already
be present in GENERIC):

# ATA and ATAPI devices
device          ata
device          atadisk                 # ATA disk drives
device          atapicd                 # ATAPI CDROM drives
device          atapicam
options         ATA_STATIC_ID           #Static device numbering

# SCSI peripherals
device          scbus           # SCSI bus (required for SCSI)
device          cd              # CD
device          pass            # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access)
#device         da              # Needed for USB umass disk access

Placing this in /boot/loader.conf is not a bad idea, as you will need the
speed:  hw.ata.atapi_dma="1"

Note that when you have kernel support built in for something you won't be
attempting to load a(ny) module. It's either use one approach, or the
other, they are mutually exclusive. Since you built atapicam support into
the kernel you will *not* be loading an atapicam module.

See this page:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-dvds.html

Notice here it is talking about /dev/cd0. Using atapicam your acd0 device
will become cd0 instead. Simply change /dev/acd0 to /dev/cd0 in
your /etc/fstab file.

Regarding permissions - put something similar to the following in
your /etc/devfs.conf file:

own     cd0     root:wheel
perm    cd0     0666
own     pass0   root:wheel
perm    pass0   0666
own     xpt0    root:wheel
perm    xpt0    0666

Root may be useful for initial testing to verify everything is working, but
you will probably want to adjust this to a user:group specific to the
backup process later for security. Fine tune as required after you verify
it will work as root.

Install, configure, and learn how to use the sysutils/dvd+rw-tools-6.1.
Notice it has cdrtools as a dependency. Track cdrtools back and see what
its dependency requirements are and if everything needed has been correctly
installed. Remember these two software packages are going to want to
use /dev/cd0 instead of the /dev/acd0. Hope this helps.

-Jason


author: Torfinn Ingolfsen

subject: Re: Backups -- Dump and DVD R/W ?

text:
[email] wrote:

The Handbook _is_ the documentation. First you check there, then you ask
if you can't find anything. :-)

DVD writing:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-dvds.html

But of course. :-)
HTH


subject: Re: Backups -- Dump and DVD R/W ?

text:
On 2006-12-11, Torfinn Ingolfsen <[email]> wrote ...

thanks for that; yes, I'd found that page, but it doesn't say what I
use to make the back-up itself.  Lemme check... <fx: checks> .. no,
it doesn't mention dump.  So I use dump to make the backup, and then
write the result of that onto the DVD?  For a level 0 dump...

# dump -h 0 -f dump.tar.gz /

.. and then ..

# growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/cd0 -J -R /

.. no?

I have a 2GB-slice sitting doing nothing.  I could use a find, and
tar the results onto that slice ..?


author: Warren Block

subject: Re: Backups -- Dump and DVD R/W ?

text:
[email] <[email]> wrote:

Careful, that may not do what you think.  It will make a backup of /,
but on a typical system, not /var or /usr; they are separate
filesystems.  I would suggest *not* giving it a .tar.gz extension,
either; it's not a tar file.

For example:

dump -0auL -C8 -f /tmp/slash.dump /
dump -0auL -C8 -f /tmp/var.dump /var
dump -0auL -C8 -f /tmp/usr.dump /use

This will create dumpfiles of /, /var, and /usr in /tmp.  It will fail
if there isn't enough room in /tmp, of course.

Or cdrecord from cdrtools-devel.

Yes, but you should probably watch out for files larger than 2G.  Dump
files can easily exceed that.  You can tell dump to break up output
files; see the man page.

You don't need tar, just have dump write them there in the first place.
If the spare space is mounted as /other:

dump -0auL -C8 -f /other/slash.dump /


subject: Re: Backups -- Dump and DVD R/W ?

text:
On 2006-12-11, Warren Block <[email]> wrote ...

OK, I couldn't do a dump of /usr as /share doesn't have the space to
take the file.  Is it possible to (and I'm talking cronjobs) do a
dump of /var, /home, /, and /tmp and then write them to the DVD,
before # rm -f /share/dump.* and then do a dump of /usr, and write
that to the DVD, too ?  Or once I've written to the DVD, is the
game over?

Can dump do all in one step, i.e. the dump and the writing to the
DVD?


subject: Re: Backups -- Dump and DVD R/W ?

text:
[email] <[email]> wrote:

It may be possible to do multi-session DVDs, but I haven't tried.

You need something that knows how to deal with the DVD recorder
hardware, like growisofs or cdrecord.  You could pipe dump into either
of those, but you'd end up with a DVD with no filesystem, just dump
data.  Like a tape.


subject: Re: Backups -- Dump and DVD R/W ?

text:
Um ...

[root@rachi]/share(189): dvd+rw-format /dev/acd0
* DVDï¿½RW/-RAM format utility by <[email]>, version 6.1.
:-( unable to open("/dev/acd0"): Inappropriate ioctl for device

whereas ...

[root@rachi]/(191): dmesg |grep acd0
acd0: DVDR <TSSTcorpCD/DVDW SH-W162C/TS10> at ata1-master UDMA33

... and ...

[root@rachi]/(193): grep "hw*" /boot/loader.conf
## loader.conf file pour rachi
hw.ata.atapi_dma="1"

:(


subject: Re: Backups -- Dump and DVD R/W ?

text:
[email] <[email]> wrote:

'kldload atapicam' if you don't already have it in your kernel or loaded
in /boot/loader.conf, then use /dev/cd0.


subject: Re: Backups -- Dump and DVD R/W ?

text:
On 2006-12-13, Warren Block <[email]> wrote ...

[root@rachi]/(200): kldload atapicam
kldload: can't load atapicam: No such file or directory

[root@rachi]/(201): ls /dev/cd0
ls: /dev/cd0: No such file or directory
[root@rachi]/(202): ls /dev/cd*
ls: No match.

i'm lost now.....


author: Lowell Gilbert

subject: Re: Backups -- Dump and DVD R/W ?

text:
[email] writes:

The atapicam module is installed by default.  You must have done
something special to avoid having it.  Did you "clean out" the /boot
directory tree?  Or build from sources in some non-standard way (e.g.,
with make.conf settings to leave out that module)?


subject: Re: Backups -- Dump and DVD R/W ?

text:
On 2006-12-14, Lowell Gilbert <[email]> wrote ...

I wouldn't know how to.  :(  So I guess the next question is: how do
I get it back?


author: Cliff

subject: Re: How Shelling Works In Solid Edge With Synchronous Technology

text:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:24:12 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <[email]>
wrote:

  And where are the demos of SolidWorks, Pro/E, etc?
  Oops .... YOU FORGOT THEM !!!!


text:
The main Jon Banquer blog has now linked to a brand new video that
shows how easy and how fast shelling is Solid Edge With Synchronous
Technology is compared to SolidWorks, Pro/E, etc.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/


subject: Re: Ping Barn.... Shilling jb-style.... Barn website updated...

text:
DONE.....CLICK BELOW......short notice so the quality ain't much but
jonnie ain't worth too much effort.

http://members.tripod.com/barn_rubble/

Barn


subject: jonnie da shill photo

text:
Updated lonniejonnie da shill photo

http://members.tripod.com/barn_rubble/

Barn


text:
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/ = the ramblings of a perpetually
clueless, immature, untrained CAD/CAM malcontent.


text:
On Jul 14, 7:05 pm, [email] wrote:

Don't forget pathologically lying sociopath.


subject: Re: jonnie da shill photo

text:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:16:29 -0700 (PDT), [email] wrote:

  Well done <G>.
  Even has the stupid look. Mad Magazine style ....


author: Half-nutz

subject: Re: Barn's a fukn genius.... Re: jonnie da shill photo

text:
On Jul 16, 8:00 am, "Proctologically Violated®©"
<[email]> wrote:

Maybe even add Jonnies latest Home makeover.....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3LKDNcwZCmI


subject: Re: jonnie da shill photo

text:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:50:03 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
<[email]> wrote:

Not smart enough to change and put the "main Jon Banquer Blog" in your
signature?


subject: Re: jonnie da shill photo

text:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:50:03 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <[email]>
wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V1RTM_RiW0


text:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:28:23 -0700 (PDT), Half-nutz <[email]> wrote:

  I sort of expect that everyone has seen the TV ads for
checking out the history of used cars & trucks ....
www.CARFAX.com "CARFAX Vehicle History Reports. Don't buy a lemon!"
  "This one is HOT!"
  http://www.car-accidents.com/pics/carphotos/5-17-03-fire-medium.jpg


subject: Re: Ping Barn....  Shilling jb-style.... Re: How Shelling Works In Solid Edge With Synchronous Technology

text:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:36:10 -0400, "Proctologically Violatedï¿½ï¿½"
<[email]> wrote:

  He does love the old bait & switch.
  Any new (to him) old pretty buzzword will do.


subject: Re: jonnie da shill photo

text:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:13:12 -0700, [email] wrote:

  Why so many "blogs"? And which one is real?
  He just seems more confused every day !!!
  Which of the little voices is taking over?


author: Yvonne Del Rosso

subject: Re: Random background from the Internet

text:
If there is, I sure wouldn't want it!   We purchased a subscription to
ScreenThemes that does this, and serves as a screen saver as well.

Marc Mason wrote:


author: Sjoerd Hageman

subject: 554 SPAM-Relay Detected

text:
When i send an email with an attachement i get the warning "554 SPAM-Relay
Detected".

What does this message mean ? I've configured all the clients in our company
the same, with the same pmail.ini file etc. And i only get this message when
i try to send an email with an attachment.

Does anybody know what it means and how i can resolve this problem ???

Thnkx


author: Fred Viles

subject: Re: 554 SPAM-Relay Detected

text:
"Sjoerd Hageman" <[email]> wrote in
news:b0ocbs$8pg$[email]:

The message is generated by your server, look for the problem there.


author: Jonadab the Unsightly One

subject: Re: 554 SPAM-Relay Detected

text:
"Sjoerd Hageman" <[email]> writes:

It could mean that the server is failing to authenticate you as
authorised to send mail through it.  (Some mail servers complain about
spam any time anyone tries to send mail without authentication.)
There are several different major ways that mail servers try to
authenticate you...

 * Some mail servers can authenticate you by your IP address, provided
   you are connected through the same network as the mail server.  You
   don't have to do anything special to get this to work, but you do
   have to be connected through the ISP's network.  It sounds like you
   are on the same network as the mail server; if so, this is not your
   problem.

 * Some mail servers authenticate by prior check.  If you've checked
   your mail via POP3 recently (which provides username/password
   authentication), then it lets you send mail.  If you check for new
   mail and then it lets you send, this is what your mail server is
   doing.  Pegasus Mail has a checkbox in the Internet Options (under
   Sending) to do a check automatically before trying to send.

 * Some mail servers will let you authenticate directly with a
   username and password when you send mail.  Pegasus Mail has an
   option for this too (right below the other one IIRC).  If the prior
   check doesn't work, this is the next most likely thing you might
   need to do.

 * A few mail servers (e.g., Exchange) can also be set up to use their
   own proprietary authentication that only work with a designated
   client.  If that were the case, I would think you would know it if
   you are setting up the clients for a whole organisation.

 * There are a few remaining mail servers that use very weak
   authentication, such as checking that your envelope address matches
   a user with an account on the server.  Servers that _only_ do this
   are known as "open relays" and will hopefully all be decommissioned
   soon or fixed, but some servers require this in _addition_ to one
   of the other forms of authentication.  I believe Pegasus Mail has a
   checkbox someplace for using your email address to form the SMTP
   envelope; you may need to turn this on, if your server requires it.

If none of that solves your problem, check with your mail server
administrator.


subject: Three typesetting issues (microtypography)

text:
- How does one typeset "9 am to 1 pm" ?

- How does one typeset the scale of a map: "1:10000" ?

- How does one typeset "poundsign 1.2 million" ?

Here the issue are the correct spacings, such as the "\,"
and the like.

Thank you

     Christoph


subject: Re: Three typesetting issues (microtypography)

text:
Hi,

Not an expert, but I came up with my own microtopographical sytle. I am
using UK English, and US English is a bit different, I have gathered.

I have done anything with the times, but I would:
9\,am--1\,pm
Note that I am NOT writing in a social science context, where one may
be inclined to write ``9\,am to 1\,pm''.

I also write 1:10,000, though 1:10\,000 looks great.

I am using 1.2\,M.

In my preamble:

\newcommand{\eg}{\emph{e.\,g.}\ }
\newcommand{\ie}{\emph{i.\,e.}\ }

\renewcommand{\ca}{\emph{ca.}\ }
\newcommand{\etal}{\emph{et al.\ }}				%makes the space after et al.
normal and makes it italisized.
\newcommand{\etals}{\emph{et al.}'s\xspace}		%makes the space after et
al. normal and makes it italisized, possessive.
\newcommand{\etalt}{\emph{et~al.\ }}				%makes the space after et al.
normal and makes it italisized, doesn't let it split.
\newcommand{\ha}{\,ha\xspace}
\newcommand{\km}{\,km\xspace}
\newcommand{\m}{\,m\xspace}
\newcommand{\kg}{\,kg\xspace}
\newcommand{\cm}{\,cm\xspace}
\newcommand{\mm}{\,mm\xspace}

This is my first real Latex project and I haven't seen much discussion
of these details: these are my own ideas. xspace is cool, but if you
want km$^2$, you need to change it, otherwise you get a space before
the 2. Cheers.


author: Danie

text:
The Chicago Manual of Style (15th ed.) gives the following:

USA (12 hour system):
   5:17 a.m. -- typeset 5:17\,a.m.\
   11:30 PM -- smallcaps without periods, 11:30\,\textsc{pm}
   10:15 a.m. (EST) -- with time zone
   2215h  -- US military (24 hour system)

ISO (24 hour system, can include seconds)
   05:17:08.6
   1999-05-10-22:15 -- date included

Europe (24 hour system)

   0517  -- no punctuation
   2215

Danie Els


author: Dan Sommers

text:
On 11 Apr 2006 03:22:38 -0700,
[email] wrote:

[ ... ]

[ ... ]

Have a look at the SIunits and SIstyle packages.

Regards,
Dan


author: Karl Ove Hufthammer

text:
[email] skreiv:

According to R. L. Trask in the books /Penguin Guide to Punctuation/
and /Mind the Gaffe/, the abbreviations are usually written a.m./p.m.
(*with* periods) in British English and A.M./P.M. or AM/PM (both in small
caps) in American English. He doesn't say anything about the spacing.

I believe using the same space as you use when separating numbers and units
in the rest of your text is an acceptable sollution.


text:
[email] skreiv:

According to R. L. Trask in the books /Penguin Guide to Punctuation/
and /Mind the Gaffe/, the abbreviations are usually written a.m./p.m.
(*with* periods) in British English and A.M./P.M. or AM/PM (both in small
caps) in American English. He doesn't say anything about the spacing.

I believe using the same space as you use when separating numbers and units
in the rest of your text is an acceptable solution.


author: The Genuine OS/2 Guy

subject: NoteBook/2 Web Site News

text:
Looking around the web tonight I see Dr. Martin's [Senftleben]
NoteBook/2 web site is being taken over by os2warp.be.  "be" - where
is that and will we all have access to it?  I've been thinking about
buying an older reliable laptop for OS/2.  What's the best older
laptop for the latest release of OS/2?  I'm at FP12, looking for FP17
(I hear it is out), and would pick up an older laptop if I could be
sure it would perform well with the newer OS/2 release.

The Real OS/2 Guy


subject: Re: NoteBook/2 Web Site News

text:
In <[email]>, on 12/20/03
   at 08:11 PM, [email] (The Genuine OS/2 Guy) said:

My Thinkpad 770 works great with OS/2 (Warp 4, FP 15). It's about 5 years
old now. I've had to upgrade the hard disk because the original one got
too small, but everything else is working great.


subject: Re: NoteBook/2 Web Site News (OT)

text:
In <3fe562fd$0$17868$[email]>, on 12/21/03
   at 10:08 AM, Luc Van Bogaert <[email]> said:

Have you looked on eBay? I bought one there for my TP awhile back and that
worked out OK.


author: Doug Bissett

subject: Re: NoteBook/2 Web Site News

text:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:11:22 UTC, [email] (The Genuine
OS/2 Guy) wrote:

http://www.os2warp.be/

The notebook site is not, yet, complete, but it is there, along with
MANY other good things.

I have an IBM Thinkpad A22e, which works very well, with eCS 1.1 (and
1.0, before that), execept for the Lucent Winmodem. Whatever you do
end up with, don't count on the built in modem working. It seems to be
a crapshoot, whether you will get one that works, or not. On the other
hand, you can use an external modem (as long as the machine has an
external com port), a USB modem, or, a PCCard (PCMCIA) modem (as long
as you get a real modem, and not a winmodem). Check out the modem page
at the above site, for information about what does, or doesn't work.

Hope this helps...


author: Colin Campbell

subject: Re: NoteBook/2 Web Site News

text:
The Genuine OS/2 Guy wrote:

If I were going to buy a laptop, I think I'd invest in either IBM's MCP2
(Merlin Convenience Pack, aka OS/2 4.52), or eComStation 1.1
(essentially the same thing).  The newest version of OS/2 supports new
hardware much better than Warp 4.

I attended a SCOUG (So Cal OS/2 User's Group) meeting in the summer
where Kim Cheung demonstrated how well eCS 1.1 would install on a Sony
laptop, after inserting the OS/2 Warp 4 CD, and having it go down in
flames, unable to operate the hard drive.  After running a complete
install, Kim proceeded to attach a series of USB devices which he had
just bought at an electronics store (Fry's), and having all of them
function satisfactorily.

I don't actually know that OS/2 Warp 4 with the latest fix pack
_wouldn't_ work, but I did see the newest eCS (which I equate to the
newest OS/2) work very well.  With all of the improvements in peripheral
devices on recent and new hardware, the cost savings for an older laptop
might leave you feeling "penny wise, pound foolish" when you were
finished.  For example, I believe that the RSJ CD-Writer product now has
support for writing DVDs.  An older laptop isn't likely to have a DVD
burner.

Just my opinion....


author: The Real OS/2 Guy

subject: Re: NoteBook/2 Web Site News

text:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:11:22 UTC, [email] (The Genuine
OS/2 Guy) wrote:

Belgium - and yes, anybody interested in has access.

Thinkpad 390E runs OS/2 here still sice years.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: NoteBook/2 Web Site News

text:
In <38U3B8UtR3Mx-pn2-ick95lyddd3m@vivace>, on 12/22/2003
   at 07:54 AM, "Menno Willemse" <[email]> said:

Aren't you connected to somone selling ecs?  You're comments are tainted.
-- Of cuourse that is the entire problem with ecs and the ssi marketing.
The owners and the shills always refuse to clear up the issues that make
just about everything they say and claim smell -- to those with the brains
to connect the dots.


author: Menno Willemse

subject: Re: NoteBook/2 Web Site News

text:
Hello World,

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:11:22 UTC, [email] (The Genuine
OS/2 Guy) wrote:

Using it here on an IBM ThinkPad T20 - Screen, network, USB, sound all
functioning well. Performance is good.

Cheers/2,
Menno


author: Julian Thomas

subject: Re: NoteBook/2 Web Site News

text:
In <[email]>, on 12/20/03
   at 08:11 PM, [email] (The Genuine OS/2 Guy)
may have used oatmeal boxes, old string,
and new, used, and recycled electrons to say (at least in part):

os2warp.be is a good resource.  Also there are a couple of lists (need to
subscribe):

[email]

THINKPAD.STDERR.ORG  (not restricted to OS2, but lots of good thinkpad
stuff).


author: The OS/2 Guy

subject: Re: NoteBook/2 Web Site News

text:
Colin Campbell wrote:

Well, if "I" were going to buy a laptop, I KNOW I'd invest in IBM's
MCP2 and would AVOID eComStation v1.1.  I have them both and
eCS won't install on either one of my new T30 and T40 ThinkPads.

Isn't this funny?  You don't say WHICH Sony laptop Loonytoony
was installing to nor how much pre-preparation Loonytoony did
prior to the installation.  What we DO KNOW is that had Loonytoony
tried installing eComStation v1.1 on an "OS/2 Supported" IBM
ThinkPad T30 or T40 it would have failed while IBM's latest
convenience pack will install on both machines within twenty minutes.

And there you have it folks.  The eCS investor will downplay and
poo-poo IBM's Warp 4.51 and 4.52 Convenience Pack release
and recommend a product he knows was difficult to install and
is proprietary to a small third party vendor.  These eCS folks will
do and say anything to save their own eCS investment.

You're right about using an 'older' laptop and the features and enhancements
the buyer will find unavailable to them.  OTOH, if the buyer wanted a
serious
laptop for OS/2 then they should look to IBM's own laptop products that are
known to work with OS/2 and are supported by IBM.

That would be the IBM ThinkPad T30 and T40.  You can now pick up a T30
on eBay for around $1500.

Tim Martin, The Official and Only OS/2 Guy
Warp City Web Site - http://www.warpcity.com
 From his Warp 4.53 ThinkPad T40 w/2GIG of RAM,
80GIG of Hard Disk and IBM's Web Browser for OS/2