text:
On 05/04/2011 12:47, DVH wrote:

Was that his name?, I can't remember.

Dunno about his involvement with Bittania, but I know he was standing
for the Nationwide board on a policy of de-mutualisation - and that he
spoke strongly against de-mutualisation about three weeks before the
vote that he was widely expected to win.

I remember it vividly - I had a ï¿½5 bet with a Nationwide branch manager
that he would win, and that the society would convert.

I paid up ;), and he put my fiver in the charity tin.

It was after that narrow escape for the board that they changed the
rules for new members - who had to sign away their windfall rights to
the 'Nationwide charitable trust', thus removing their incentive to vote
in favour of any future de-mutualisation proposal.

I, however, still retain my right to a pay out - and live in constant
hope that they will eventually become a bank.

The Nationwide, long ago, used to have a slightly better ethos than
mainstream banks - but that's long gone.

Now they are every bit as hard nosed - and, sometimes, more so.  Their
mortgage tracker was supposed to follow the base rate, but when it
dropped *too* far for the board's liking, the capped the threshold.

Similarly, their insurance and loan products are routinely more
expensive than the competition - and they will turf their customers out
of their homes just as readily as any other usurer.

They like to trade on their 'mutual' image - but they just another pack
of wolves preying on the British public.

So roll on conversion - while they are still some of us left alive who
will reap the benefit.


author: DVH

subject: Re: Monbiot brutally assaults the anti-nuclear lobby

text:
"The gods have made us mad" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I'm sure all that's true, even if I can find no evidence for it.

But your theory about Monbiot looks fanciful.


author: [redacted]

subject: gyro inductance

text:
This is a new design for Gyroscopic Inductance circuit for DC current
production using the gyroscope itself as the induction circuit for
long term space flight. It will produce Direct current from a
gyroscope functioning in a zero gravitational field as an inductance
circuit. The two non-permeable gimbals’ armatures rotate around a
permanent inner magnet 180 degrees out of phase from one another
giving 360 degrees of a full rotation that allow a 100% duty cycle
when precession occurs. A north and south alignment on the spherical
inner permanent magnet rotates around the central centrifugal spin
axis witch doubles as a rotor flywheel. I have been working on the
proto type for 15 years now utilizing nano carbon fiber as the coils
in the inductor circuit; they are imbedded into the gyro’s non-
permeable gimbals in a zigzag pattern un-like the coils in an
induction circuit. Magnetic couplers between the gyroscopes parts
reduce further fatigue on the motor parts and reduce friction. There
are strategically placed permeable alloys in the gimbal armatures when
pulsed with DC current create magnetic field areas that interact with
the rotor for start, stop and homing of the gimbals. if gravitational
interference occurs in space flight a dc pulsed circuit 90 degrees
adjacent from the rotor flywheel controlled with small pulses of
current to control initial spin and braking on the central rotor while
motor functions are restored as needed, This design has several viable
applications for aro space industry. If solar panel deployment fails
or damages to solar panels this is a solid backup for running the
system operations of satellites and communication and instrumentation,
imaging instrumentation devices for space flight.


subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
On Sep 19, 11:35 am, Nemo <[email]>
wrote:

due to increased friction on the moving gimbles its not energy
effeicient


subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
On Sep 30, 12:23 pm, Tim Wescott <[email]> wrote:

At the point where the gimbals line up in rotation in opposite
directions 180 degrees out of phase Lenz law takes over but an
electromagnetic null is momentarily achieved as the gimbals armatures
pass within one another in opposite directions. So they don’t lock up.
But none of the other gyro scopes have ever produced DC current as
they spin in a vacuum


author: Nemo

subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
Dear extremesoundandlight,

(1) I think you are you saying: the zigzag pattern of wires creates a
counter-current or something which does not drain energy from the system
even though you are using the gyro as a spinning generator. It is
difficult to evaluate this remarkable claim without a diagram indicating
the construction. Basically you are saying you have a perpetual motion
machine that breaks the laws of thermodynamics, but are not prepared to
show how.

(2) You mentioned:
Does this mean you think it would work in zero gravity, but it does not
work here on earth?


author: Jasen Betts

subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
On 2008-09-11, Bob Eld <[email]> wrote:

That's right, ring laters are double-ended lasers that send light in
a ring shaped path so that it interferes with itself, thus producing
standing waves.
When the hardware is rotated the standing wave crests move slower than
the hardware (they'd stand still if the hardware had refractive index 1)

The theory doesn't make it possible, it just explains why it works.

Bye.
   Jasen


subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
On Sep 11, 2:53 pm, John Fields <[email]> wrote:

Yes of course a small energy input being the central magnet rotating
and acting as a gyro rotor or magneto this would produce a large
energy output, violating the law of conservation of energy.

This scenario is only one example of electromagnetic induction. Lenz's
Law states that the magnetic field of any induced current opposes the
change that induces it.

That’s the beauty of why this works as the current induced upon the
gimbals with the zig zag pattern of carbon fiber wire imbedded is
forced to spin around in the opposit direction 180 degrees out of
phase from the rotor which cause precession counter spin on the next
outer gimbal in opposite direction again. Then the outer most gimbal
is now backing in phase with the original direction of spin of the
central rotor. Witch is a spherical permanent magnet


author: Bob Eld

subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
This is a new design for Gyroscopic Inductance circuit for DC current
production using the gyroscope itself as the induction circuit for
long term space flight. It will produce Direct current from a
gyroscope functioning in a zero gravitational field as an inductance
circuit. The two non-permeable gimbalsï¿½ armatures rotate around a
permanent inner magnet 180 degrees out of phase from one another
giving 360 degrees of a full rotation that allow a 100% duty cycle
when precession occurs. A north and south alignment on the spherical
inner permanent magnet rotates around the central centrifugal spin
axis witch doubles as a rotor flywheel. I have been working on the
proto type for 15 years now utilizing nano carbon fiber as the coils
in the inductor circuit; they are imbedded into the gyroï¿½s non-
permeable gimbals in a zigzag pattern un-like the coils in an
induction circuit. Magnetic couplers between the gyroscopes parts
reduce further fatigue on the motor parts and reduce friction. There
are strategically placed permeable alloys in the gimbal armatures when
pulsed with DC current create magnetic field areas that interact with
the rotor for start, stop and homing of the gimbals. if gravitational
interference occurs in space flight a dc pulsed circuit 90 degrees
adjacent from the rotor flywheel controlled with small pulses of
current to control initial spin and braking on the central rotor while
motor functions are restored as needed, This design has several viable
applications for aro space industry. If solar panel deployment fails
or damages to solar panels this is a solid backup for running the
system operations of satellites and communication and instrumentation,
imaging instrumentation devices for space flight.

Does anybody use mechanical gyros anymore? I don't think so, especially for
space applications.


subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
On Sep 11, 9:47 am, "Bob Eld" <[email]> wrote:

The RIFCA Trihex provides the primary guidance, flight control, and
mission sequencing functions for the Delta launch vehicles, guiding
the rocket into precise space orbit. It has routinely achieved
guidance accuracies at least three times better than mission
requirements. L-3's Trihex is a triple-redundant, six Ring Laser
Gyroscopes and six accelerometer guidance package that, in the course
of over 60 launches, has flown with 100% success and never triggered a
single redundancy back up during normal flight operations but Gyro's
dont keep generating low voltage dc current while their spinning in
zero gravity


subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
On Sep 11, 9:47 am, "Bob Eld" <[email]> wrote:

In the hubble all the gyroscopics movement is achieved by a wheel
inside each gyro that spins at a constant rate of 19,200 rpm on gas
bearings. This wheel is mounted in a sealed cylinder, which floats in
a thick fluid. Electricity is carried to the motor by thin wires
(approximately the size of a human hair) which are immersed in the
fluid. Electronics within the gyro detect very small movements of the
axis of the wheel and communicate this information to Hubble's central
computer.

Yes their still used in all guidance in satellites but none has been
developed to actually produce a dc charge to back up the dry cells for
system operations


author: Michael A. Terrell

subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
"[email]" wrote:

   Don't mention L-3 around me.


subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
On Sep 11, 10:51 am, "Bob Eld" <[email]> wrote:
exactly that’s why the gimbals on my gyroscope rotate around a
magnetic core as the inner magnet spin out of phase with the outer
gimbals with the coiled wire, a current flow is induced through the
carbon wire creating Direct current 180 degrees out of phase on each
gyro gymble from the next precession on the second gamble occurs as
well, once initial spin velocity on the central magnetic rotor spins,
it maintains this for long periods of time in a zero gravity
situation. No other gyro produces and performs like this


subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
On Sep 11, 10:51 am, "Bob Eld" <[email]> wrote:

your right no moving parts in RLGs, while more accurate than
mechanical gyros, suffer from an effect known as "lock-in" at very
slow rotation rates. When the ring laser is rotating very slowly, the
frequencies of the counter-rotating lasers become very close (within
the laser bandwidth). So at this low rotation, the nulls in the
standing wave tend to "get stuck" on the mirrors, locking the
frequency of each beam to the same value, and the interference fringes
no longer move relative to the detector; in this scenario, the device
will not accurately track its angular position over time.


author: John Fields

subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:25:00 -0700 (PDT),
"[email]" <[email]> wrote:

---
And in 15 years of trying to make the prototype work you never ran into
Lenz's law?

JF


author: George Herold

subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
On Sep 11, 5:22 pm, "[email]"
<[email]> wrote:

 your right no moving parts in RLGs, while more accurate than

Cool,  I know nothing about this.  Are these similar to Sagnac
Interferometer's, which can sense absolute rotation?

George


author: Tim Wescott

subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
Bob Eld wrote:

  -- snip --

Yes, they do.  The mechanical gyro market is undergoing a recovery as
the realization strikes that fiber-optic gyros are bulky for their
performance and piezoelectric gyros just don't give the necessary low
noise floor.

One of my clients stabilizes gimbals with mechanical gyros; the
piezoelectric ones (even quartz) just can't cut it, and a fiber optic
gyro that has the requisite performance displaces about 6x the volume or
more -- and that's after you take the gyro's support electronics into
account.


subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
On Sep 11, 9:47 am, "Bob Eld" <[email]> wrote:
for

The RIFCA Trihex provides the primary guidance, flight control, and
mission sequencing functions for the Delta launch vehicles, guiding
the rocket into precise space orbit. It has routinely achieved
guidance accuracies at least three times better than mission
requirements. L-3's Trihex is a triple-redundant, six Ring Laser
Gyroscopes and six accelerometer guidance package that, in the course
of over 60 launches, has flown with 100% success and never triggered a
single redundancy back up during normal flight operations but Gyro's
dont keep generating low voltage dc current while their spinning in
zero gravity

Help me out here. Laser gyro's aren't mechanical are they? I thought they
operated by sending laser light around a fiber optic ring and measuring the
interference caused by motion of the ring relative to the absolute velocity
of light. Possible because of the special theory of relativity, if you will.
Nothing moves but photons. No spinning masses or other 19th century
accoutrements.


author: The Phantom

subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:17:53 -0700 (PDT), "[email]"
<[email]> wrote:

Won't it decrease the usefulness of the gyro if its spin rate slows down?


subject: Re: gyro inductance

text:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:18:39 -0700 (PDT),
"[email]" <[email]> wrote:

---
Blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah.
blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah.

Got some drawings?

Got some numbers?

Got some data?

Let's see it.

JF


author: KellyClarksonTV

subject: Nickel-Cadmium Battery packs

text:
Hey, I stole about 10 recycled battery packs from Radio Shack today and
discovered that most of them simply had one dead battery with the rest being
quite fresh ... pretty amazing ...


author: Joe

subject: Re: Nickel-Cadmium Battery packs

text:
This may be an undiscover theory of the only one bad battery in the pack.
Hoevery, this problem may be too simple to be any research topic for anyone.


author: Mark W. Lund, PhD

subject: Re: Nickel-Cadmium Battery packs

text:
The reason is given at http://www.powerstream.com/pack-control.htm

KellyClarksonTV wrote:


subject: Re: Nickel-Cadmium Battery packs

text:
I guess Radio Shack and other recycling places must make a killing reselling
these otherwise good batteries!


author: Tool

subject: Residency Post PharmD

text:
The person to whom I credit guiding me into the possibility of acceptance to
a PharmD program told me of the prospect of entering a 1 year Clinical
Residency post Graduating(which is offered at the tertiary care institution
he is employed, he being a Clinical PharmD).  Would such a program be worth
the while?  I was told that salary would average 6 to 12K higher. Of course
that year in training the salary would be 30-33K,  that is 30-40K less than
if I entered the workforce post graduation. I realize there are "recoup"
issues. My question therefore is:   would my marketability be increased
following such a residency?


author: Richard Molitor

subject: Re: Residency Post PharmD

text:
Tool <[email]> wrote in message
news:O39F8.11314$[email]...
to
institution
worth
course
than

Hello there,

Direct answer:  yes, probably but:

It depends on what kind of residency it is as well as what the chances are
of you getting hired at that institution ($6-12K/year more sounds almost
wishful in this RPh shortage environment).  Also, are the institutional
wages in that area competitive with what you could get in retail?  What
would you otherwise invest that $30-33K in and would that money appreciate
faster than inflation, etc.?  If it's a specialty residency would that
pigeon hole you for the rest of your career?  When you apply for a new job
(in a different environment) would that residency mean anything to the
hiring officer?  Do you have family/debt obligations?  How long before
you'll forget everything you learn in the program and have to use reference
texts like the rest of us?  Would the tuition be better spent diversifying
your educational portfolio with something like an MBA (which probably would
yield more career options in industry than a clinical residency yields in
institutional practice--and pays better too!)?

These are some of the questions you also need to consider.

Cheers,

Richard Molitor, R.Ph.
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/pharmacist


author: Dr. Wayne Simon

subject: Re: Residency Post PharmD

text:
Unless you plan to open up your own business, the direct and clear answer to
question, is that you will be able to compete for the better more
interesting and often higher paying jobs.  However, It will take a long time
to recoup your one year money loss.


author: Zerkon

subject:
Re: Some remarks by Obama on the Supreme Court's overturn of McCain
  Feingold & Corporate personhood.

text:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:39:28 -0800, Dan Clore wrote:

Exactly but approaching it from the opposite direction to serve the same
end seems better. Takes care of all of it. The real 'monster' is
government assuming the power of just *poof* creating a Constitutional
'person'.

There is so much, in so many ways that is simply wrong here.


subject:
Re: Some remarks by Obama on the Supreme Court's overturn of McCain
 	Feingold & Corporate personhood.

text:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:37:48 -0800, Immortalist wrote:

You do not take them out. You are not invited. You wait and bus the table
and hope for a tip.


text:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:30:54 -0800, Berkeley Brett wrote:

This will not be rectified nor was it a 'mistake'. All roads, the entire
political inertia in the US have been leading up to this as a grounding
for what is to follow.

One "next mistake" will be the continued massive mistake of a private
armed force and the continued rise of corporate para-military politics
(AS SEEN ON TV!!).


text:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:06:53 -0800, Immortalist wrote:

Right, Obama! How many voices did your campaign buddies "drown out"?

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs 	        $994,795
Harvard University 	$854,747
Microsoft Corp 	        $833,617
Google Inc 	        $803,436
Citigroup Inc 	        $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co 	$695,132
Time Warner 	        $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP 	$588,598
Stanford University 	$586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG 	                $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp 	$542,618
Skadden, Arps et al 	$530,839
IBM Corp 	        $528,822
Columbia University 	$528,302
Morgan Stanley 	        $514,881
General Electric 	$499,130
US Government 	        $494,820
Latham & Watkins 	$493,835


text:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:03:11 -0800, retrogrouch wrote:

Please, all, understand what is happening here.

It is 'People' that is being exactly defined here. Corporations are being
given constitutional protection 'as if' these things are human people..
legal flesh and blood people, not metaphorical 'people'.

The legal loophole which was opened in the mid 1800' was the use of the
word 'person' in the US Constitution and this IS how long this issue has
been going on. The Feds simple anointed 'person hood' upon a contract
creation. A nonhuman person.

The insanity being the entire purpose of this contract of incorporation
specifically relieves any real human being from any legal liability that
may occur from corporate action.

So 'people' do not 'lose'. The Corporations are the "People" who won. The
human being, the a "second tier" person, has lost.

At least "government for, of and by the people" becomes more truth than
lie.


author: John Stafford

subject: Re: Some remarks by Obama on the Supreme Court's overturn of McCain Feingold & Corporate personhood.

text:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:37:48 -0800, Immortalist wrote:

Ya can't, but you get screwed anyway.


author: Rod Speed

subject: Re: Some remarks by Obama on the Supreme Court's overturn of McCain 	Feingold & Corporate personhood.

text:
Zerkon wrote:

They clearly didnt even manage to drown you, unfortunately.


subject: Re: Some remarks by Obama on the Supreme Court's overturn of McCain  Feingold & Corporate personhood.

text:
Zerkon wrote

You clearly dont.

Wrong. ALL that particular decision does is rule that the
right to free speech applys to more than JUST individuals.

It is not used with the free speech provision.

Wrong again.

Thats not what this ruling is about.

Incorporation doesnt even do that.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

Thats not is involved in the most recent ruling either.


author: Paul Austin

subject: Re: Question: U-2 vs SR-71

text:
"David Lloyd-Jones" wrote .
afraid
iraqis.
to
the

bother

When the Air Force retired the SR-71, they said that a single aircraft
cost as much to operate as a wing of F-15s.


subject: Re: Question: U-2 vs SR-71

text:
IIRC the SAM-10 was rated to take out the SR-71 as a mission parameter. If it
met it's design criteria, that would have been one more reason to retire the
SR-71. Also, the persistent rumor has been that Aurora became operational
around that time. who knows?

Cheers,
Tony


author: Richard Williams

subject: Re: Question: U-2 vs SR-71

text:
If the SAM-10 could take out the SR-71 it probably could take out a slower,
lower and less stealthy U2.

rbw

"Tony4895" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
it
the


author: Andrew Jones

subject: Re: Question: U-2 vs SR-71

text:
The U2 overflight request was made because politically the UN was
pressuring for measures that would show compliance.

Predators were flying now and well before the U2 and they have greater
sensor suites and much greater loiter capability.

As for Aurora.  It doesn't exist.  The money was spent on the Magnum and
Enhanced Magnum sats.


author: rick++

subject: sumatra quake and full moon

text:
I had a bit of insomnia last night and listened to Art Bell's
radio show with all the "experts" (spelled k-o-o-k-s) explaining
the quake.  One repeated observation was Sunday was a full moon.
A paper by UCLA scientists last October found some correlation
with the size of tides and earthquake occurrence.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041022103948.htm
The tides are largest for full and new moons and in January
(earth nearest to Sun).
I wonder if this was the background for this quake?
Of course the tectonic stresses were building for several centuries,
but the actual trigging may have been tidally related.


subject: Re: sumatra quake and full moon

text:
The UCLA studied looked at large quakes and used tide tables.
The the greatest water height is always at the same phase of the moon.


author: linuxguru

subject: Re: sumatra quake, full moon, syzygy, tides, Mcquarie quake

text:
Landy wrote:
moon
best.

The tidal trigger theory needs to be critically examined again -
IMHO, there is a strong basis for it, at least in this case.
Some recent literature (please google for the exact references):

Earth Tides Can Trigger Shallow Thrust Fault Earthquakes -
Elizabeth S. Cochran, John E. Vidale, Sachiko Tanaka

Earthquakes and the Moon; Syzygy Predictions Fail the Test -
Matthew Kennedy, John E. Vidale, Michael G. Parker

Several of the following factors may be significant:

1) The epicenter is close to the junction of 3 plates - the
Australia, the India and the Andaman-Burma. If the fault line
between the Australia and India plates is extended below the
Andaman-Burma plate, the epicenter is located on it.

Also check out the following (recent) paper by Simoes et al,
which places the edge of the Locked-Fault Zone (LFZ) of the
Indo-Australia plate to the East of the Sunda Trench, at or
directly below the epicenter:

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2004/2003JB002958.shtml

2) Some stress from the Australia plate was realigned by
the McQuarie ridge quake of Dec 24th on the far side of the
Australia plate .

3) The orbital configuration of the Earth, Moon and Sun was
a Syzygy, with the Earth approaching perihelion. In other words,
both the gravitational force from the Moon as well as the Sun
was near maximum (i.e. close to maximal spring tides).

4) The quake was near daybreak (local time), so the ocean above
the epicenter was near spring low-tide, i.e. the weight of water
above the epicenter was approaching a minimum.

5) The land-tide effects were probably insignificant, but
contributory.

This leads to my theory: There were two separate and related
events, with different mechanisms:

1) The main 9.0 magnitude quake was not a simple subduction-slip
event between the India and Andaman-Burma plates; rather, it was
a 3-plate event, with the Andaman-Burma microplate fracturing by
bending-moment uplift/convergent forces from the India and
Australia plates.

Visualize it as follows: the LFZ of the India and Australia
plates in the mantle below the epicenter thrusts aseismically
upwards over a period of a couple of days, as a result of a
stress realignment on the far side of the Australia plate from
the Mcquarie ridge quake of Dec 24. This creates stress
in the thin crust of the Andaman-Burma microplate above it.

The last straw that breaks the camel's back (the Andaman-Burma
plate) is the decrease in weight of Oceanic water above the
epicenter as a result of an extreme spring low tide (caused by
syzygy and the approaching perihelion).

2) The 7.3 magnitude aftershock and most of the other
aftershocks are separate 2-plate subduction-slip events caused
by the realignment between the Andaman-Burma and India plates,
triggered by the main quake.

IMHO, the seabed on the Western side of the Andaman-Burma
microplate may show moderate uplift (the leading edge of the
Tsunami on the Indian/Sri Lankan shores was a crest) while the
seabed on the Eastern side may show some subsidence (the leading
edge of the Tsunami that hit Thailand appears to have been a
deep trough).

-Siva


author: Landy

subject: Re: sumatra quake and full moon

text:
"rick++" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
???
AFAIK, tides are largest around the equinox(es) when the full and new moon
lie nearest to the ecliptic plane and the Earth-Sun-Moon alignment is best.
cheers
Bill


author: Dionne

subject: Re: sumatra quake and full moon

text:
March 27, 1964.  Great Alaskan Earthquake.  It was Good Friday.  It was
a full moon on a spring tide.  The Ring of Fire had been active...with
numerous volcanic eruptions.

I lived in Alaska for 20 years.  I went through the Good Friday Quake
and subsequent tsunamis.

It is my opinion that all the variables must come together to bring on
a great quake.


author: Walt Nelson

subject: Re: sumatra quake and full moon

text:
rick++ wrote:
At the same time the morning planets http://www.spaceweather.com/
saturn, jupiter, mars, venus were all visable in the eastern sky.


author: JohnK

subject: Re: sumatra quake and full moon

text:
It took me all of about 5 minutes to look at the dates of the 11
largest quakes in world history and compare with moon phases.

It's pretty clear there isn't the slightest correlation. There were
just as many quakes that occured as far as possible from a new or full
moon, 7 days, 7 (2 quakes) of the eleven as there were quakes that
occured on the same day as a new or full moon (2 quakes.)


text:
"linuxguru" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I wasn't arguing about anything in your reply.  Rick++ stated that the
highest high tides occur during the summer solstice (southern hemisphere)
because that also corresponds with perihelion.  Not so - the highest high
tides occur around the equinox for the reasons stated in my first reply.
cheers
Bill


author: Michael Mcneil

subject: Re: sumatra quake and full moon

text:
"JohnK" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]

It takes a little longer to arrive at the correct answer, not least
because there are a number of phases involved. (And if that were all,
even experts would get there eventually.)


author: E. Paul Wileyto

subject: Interactions and stepwise procedures

text:
Are there any packages out there that implement stepwise procedures that
do not remove main effects until after interactions involving those main
effects have been removed?

Thanks

Paul


author: Anon.

subject: Re: Interactions and stepwise procedures

text:
"E. Paul Wileyto" wrote:
stepAIC in the MASS package in R does this.  I'm actually surprised that
others don't do this. Oh well...

Bob


author: Vadim Pliner

text:
"E. Paul Wileyto" <[email]> wrote:

For logistic regression, this can be done in SAS using PROC LOGISTIC
and specifying HIERARCHY= option. In SAS Enterprise Miner (regression
node) this feature is implemented for both linear and logistic
regression procedures.

HTH,
Vadim


author: Art Kendall

text:
In SPSS you can set it up in regression something like this:
(sorry I'm at home & don't have SPSS available to check the exact syntax)

regression variables=a,b,c,d,   ab,ac,ad,bc,bd,cd,    abc, abd, bcd,
abcd,    y
 /dependent=y
 /method = test (a,b,c,d)   (ab,ac,ad,bc,bd,cd)     (abc, abd, bcd)  (abcd)

using the keywords  TEST ENTER REMOVE BACKWARD STEPWISE on different
/METHOD commands
gives good control to the order of entry/removal

"E. Paul Wileyto" wrote:


author: Jay Vanstone

subject: RS232 PORTS-Powering From

text:
How do you power a peripheral device from an RS232 port?  Generally
speaking, what is the current source capability of these ports?
I need to interface to a 9-Pin serial port on a portable.  There is no power
available on the pins other then the data lines and grnd..  Do you rectify the
unused data lines?
   I did see a discussion about this sort of thing on the group not too long
ago, and I thought I had saved it but I'll be darned if I can find it anywhere.
Any help greatly appreciated.  Please post or email what you know about this.
T.I.A.

Jay


author: Joel Kolstad

subject: Re: RS232 PORTS-Powering From

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Jay Vanstone) writes:

A lot of mice steal +12v from DTR and RTS and -12V from TxD to power
themselves.  The +12V becomes their high rail, and the -12V becomes their
"ground" -- this allows swinging from "rail to rail" to look like RS-232
input.  They also use diodes to make sure they're only getting the correct
polarity voltages and also capacitors to bridge small gaps (e.g., when the
PC is transmitting, as it does when mice that listen to the serial port are
being talked to).

The RS-232 specs says that you have to be able to maintain something like
+/-5V into a 1K load.  To me, this suggest that trying to pull more than
about 5-10mA is kind of iffy.  It really does vary a lot depending on whose
line driver chip is being used in your PC's serial port.

Maxim makes a chip that takes TTL levels as inputs as kicks out
pseudo-RS-232 back to the computer by this sort of power stealing trick.

					---Joel Kolstad


author: John Lundgren

subject: Re: RS232 PORTS-Powering From

text:
The 1488 and 1489 Line driver chips are current limited, and can only put
out a few milliamps.  They get hot when they do that, so it isn't good
for them.  I haven't got any info in the 75151 or 75154 chips, but I
would guess that they too are I limited.  This may not be a problem with
today's low power CMOS chips.   Keep the current draw to a small amount
and it should work.


author: Linda

subject: Mythomaniac cyberstalker Kimberly Barnard posts some more lies and false accusations

text:
Kali wrote:

Is Kimberly Barnard ever going to stop posting lies and false
accusations about innocent people?


author: Kali

subject: Re: Mythomaniac cyberstalker Linda Gore posts some more lies and false accusations

text:
In article <1113704388.264801.308070
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, posted 16 Apr 2005 19:19:48 -
0700, Linda Gore [email] says...

Not a lie. I can back it up. Do I need to? (again?)

You can't back up anything you spew, though, because it's all
lies. You say "I couldn't be bothered" as if that gets you off
the hook. You are nasty enough to say people are criminals and
murderers when they aren't. You are scum.

Kali


author: Ross

subject: Re: Mythomaniac cyberstalker Kimberly Barnard posts some more lies and false accusations

text:
Linda pulled a bright blue crayon out of the box and scribbled this in
news:[email]:

Is Linda Gore ever going to post proof of any harassment?


author: "Shawn"

subject: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
I know,  I should be ashamed of myself.  But what is the proper electrode to
weld mild steel to railroad track?  This is for the legs of the "anvil."

Thanks,
Shawn


author: Ernie Leimkuhler

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
In article <[email]>, Shawn wrote:

If you can get to clean metal, then 7018,
If you have heavy rust then 6010 root pass followed by 7018.

Railroad track is often a Manganese steel.


author: Al Patrick

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
I get a little concerned when I see anyone wanting to weld anything to
railroad tracks - even if it is allegedly removed from the railroad bed.

Check out http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/ and you'll see some
terrorist info.  You can subscribe to their HQ Intel-Alert weekly
newsletter (43 pages last week) for one year for $99 and gain access to
past issues either in Word or PDF formats - plus a number of other
benefits.  It's near the bottom of the page.  Some of the info is
translated directly from Arabic speeches and writings.  Some of those
speeches and writings instruct terrorists on what to attack and how.
"Soft" targets such as shopping malls, churches, railroads, water
supplies and sports events are mentioned in those writings.  Most
shopping malls have cameras and guards, railroads seldom do!  They pass
through many remote areas.

Please pardon my input if it is out of place here, but such info *could*
be dangerous in the wrong hands.  I don't think we should discuss
welding ANYTHING to railroad tracks.  The HQ Intel-Alert shows, from
Arabic web sites, the great depth of detail they go to in just deciding
what apartments to rent to conduct their meetings and to serve as their
bases of operations.  ...And, believe it or not, they use a LOT of our
military technical manuals and field manuals relating to improvised
weaponry, operating M-60 machine guns, etc.

Again, I contribute little to this group, though I've learned a lot from
it, and surely don't have the right to play "policeman" for the group.
It was only a suggestion.  However, simple tidbits of info such as was
related to this could cost a lot of American lives!  Think about it.

Al

=========

Shawn wrote:


author: Phil Thomas

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
You might also want to consider Stoody 110 (wire) or 2110 (stick) for this
application.  It is specifically designed for it.

"Shawn" <shawn_75ATcomcastDOTnet> wrote in message
news:[email]...
to


author: Leo Lichtman

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
"Shawn"  wrote:  (clip) This is for the legs of the "anvil."
^^^^^^^^^^
I think you will have a better result if you "nail" the anvil to the top of
a wood stump.  Better damping, less vibration, quieter, cheap.  That's the
way I have always seen it done.  You can also hang your tools around the
outside of the stump, for easy access.


author: Ted Edwards

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Shawn wrote:

Legs?  On an anvil?  I think you will be very unhappy with the result if
you mean to have steel legs welded to the anvil and used to support it
at working height.  It would be rather springy, ring like crazy and very
hard on your floor.  If on bare ground, it would be prone to being
driven into the ground unless it has huge feet.

I would suggest either spiking it to a piece of tree stump or supporting
it on a heavy wood platform on a steel stand.  My anvil stand is a steel
frame carrying two thicknesses of 1" plywood glued together.  The anvil
is attached to that platform.  I could post a picture if you are
interested.

Ted


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Thanks!

"Ernie Leimkuhler" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
electrode to


author: Andrew Hollis Wakefield

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Where does one find a short piece of track to convert to an anvil?

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, Ernie Leimkuhler wrote:


author: Bob Robinson

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Al Patrick wrote:
<snip>
How incredibly ignorant/arrogant to assume that welding technology and
rairoad tracks are some U.S. state secret unknown outside our borders!
I suppose the Lincoln, Miller, and Hobart web sites should be shut down
for treason next...GET A LIFE!

flame off.....

Bob


author: Rick

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
"Al Patrick" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Thanks for starting my day out with a good laugh, Al!


author: SteveB

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
"Al Patrick" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
<paranoid rantings re: al quaeda, conspiracies, and what-ifs snipped>

Huh?

And for only $99 more, we can get more information.  Such a deal.

You need to get your meds levels checked, friend.

And I mean that in a kind way.

Steve


author: The Guy

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Al Patrick wrote:

Do you have internet service in your bunker, or is it necessary to
venture out into the dangerous and twitchy world to scribble stuff like
that?

Tim


author: Marc Jones

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Goodness, I hope that nobody describes how to loosen nuts with a wrench.
Most of the railroad tracks I have ever walked down were bolted together and
it seems to me that someone wanting to cause trouble on a rail-line might
find using a wrench a little easier than welding something to the track.
Give us a break. BTW for those that don't know, let me share with you a
"State Secret" about nuts and bolts I learned from my Grandpa. "Righty
tighty. Lefty loosey".

Marc

"Al Patrick" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
electrode to


author: RDF

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
What a retard.... Someone please weld his bunker door shut and snip his
internet connection while your there.... What a spaz.. Scary thing is some
dorks would listen to him!

"Al Patrick" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
electrode to


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
You're kidding right???

"Al Patrick" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
electrode to


author: Doobie

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
"Al Patrick" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Give me a friggen break!!  How about we just  live the rest of our lives in
fear and watch sesame street all day


author: Jim Meyer

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
I would love to see a picture.  Please post a link when you have time.

Jim

"Ted Edwards" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
electrode to


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Leo and Ted,

Thanks for the suggestions but I plan on putting about 160 lbs. (two 80#
bags) of concrete in the metal leg base I will make.  The legs will be angle
iron (leg in) which will form a pyramid shape.  I've seen "real" anvils with
similar bases (much more concrete though) that were suprisingly easy to
scoot around on a concrete floor and were also very solid with respect to
hammering on them.

Shawn
"Ted Edwards" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
electrode to


author: Joe

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Most decent scrap yards will have a few feet laying around which they will
sell cheap.

Hell, I dont know what the attraction is to railroad track anyway. If you
visit a scrapyard you can find plenty of good steel to beat on. Big blocks
of it, cylinders, whatever you want.


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
I'm in sort of a unique situation.  I work at a military training site for
urban warfare which consists of a small third world city.  The city has a
small rail area with a street crossing which is mainly used to deny access
by blocking the street with a rail car.  When the contractors built the rail
lines, they left the spare ties and a few feet of rail.

Shawn

"Andrew Hollis Wakefield" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
electrode to
"anvil."


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
"Andrew Hollis Wakefield" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I want one too.  I have seen railroad track anvils, and they are decent for
the hobbyist.  For what I would want to use it for, anyway.

Steve


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
In article <[email]>,
Andrew Hollis Wakefield <[email]> wrote:

Rail offcuts from repairs, are often left along the tracks.
Many rail roads have rules that if rail is scrapped, it must be chopped
into short chunks (2' - 3' long), and these chunks end up at scrap
yards.

The best stuff is heavy crane rail.
It can be 12 - 18 inches tall and is much heavier than normal rail
track.
Makes much bigger anvils.


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
"Bob Robinson" <[email]> wrote in message
news:40d98d78$0$2018$[email]...
"anvil."

Al better get over to rec.crafts.metalworking real quick. Someone asked
about freezing locks...


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
"Marc Jones" <[email]> wrote in message
news:6uhCc.10859$[email]...
and

Now ya gone and dun it, pardner.  You better grab some beans and bacon and
head for the hills.  Divulging such sensitive secrets will only bring down
the ire of the black helicopters, men in black suits, and people with
clipboards.

Sheesh.  Better get away while you can!

Run, Forrrrrest, Run!

Steve


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
RDF wrote:

Gentlemen,

Have your fun.  It was never expected that everyone would believe it.
Only seven people believed Noah - after about 100 to 120 years of
preaching - until it was too late; and all of them were kin to him.  Not
a very successful messenger according to some people's standards.

Keep in mind:

1)  Three years ago you'd not have believed that four airliners would be
hijacked, right here in the good ol' USA, with more planned for the same
time frame.  That two of them would hit the twin towers.  That the
towers would fall., etc., etc.  We won't even go into who owned the
towers, how recently they were purchased, how much they were insured
for, how many did not show up for work on 9/11/01 at the World Trade
Center, why people didn't act on the information they had, who sold
those two airliner's stock short, how long it had been "sold short"
before the WTC event and why one teacher didn't inquire further when a
little boy in her class said, "Teacher, See those two towers over there.
  They won't be there next week!"  We won't even discuss why the metal
had to be removed so rapidly -- and shipped all the way to China to be
melted into ingots!  The Coup, an openly revolutionary socialist hip hop
- rap - group from Oakland, California had an album cover, for their new
album, Party Music.  It showed an explosion in one of the towers at
about the elevation at which the planes hit!  But on 9/10/01 you'd have
denied it could EVER happen - though the towers had been attacked before!

2)  We have many Islamic students, professors, and other professionals
in this country.  They are not idiots, but they can't be seen
associating together, especially with known terrorists.  They operate in
small cells and "kill them where they find them".  Every cell doesn't
have a doctor, financier, welder, electrician, etc. in it.  Some have to
improvise and do the best they can with what they have.  Some only
gather info for others to act on.

3)  From their own writings LOTS of thought and planning go into just
the selection of an apartment from which to operate.  They take similar
thought in many of their other actions.  The "apartment selection" is
just one example.

4)  There is a very large aircraft which has been missing for months and
has been specially modified with huge tanks.  No, not for fuel, though
that is a possibility, but for other liquids that can be sprayed over a
massive area - or crashed into additional buildings, stadiums, etc..
Even if it were shot down over a populated area lots of biologicals or
flaming fuel could be released.  Can you imagine this thing nose diving
directly into the center of a stadium with about 70,000 people in it?
It would probably ruin the whole day for lots of folks!

5)  There is a 92,000 gallon tanker still missing from a couple of
months back.  Imagine what that might do filled with the "right"
chemicals and ignited or exploded inside a tunnel.  I'm sure some serial
numbers, etc. can be switched.  Suppose there were several and one just
happened to block both ends of a long tunnel, or multiple tunnels.
"Naah, It can't happen here!"

6)  Many of our forest fires were not started by careless campers - but
were arson.

7)  If you think 9/11 was bad just stick around a while and keep your
heads in the sand.  The troubles have not even started yet.

8)  The next time you stop for gas pay attention to the appearance of
the clerks.

9)  Guess who owns many of our motels and convenience stores scattered
all across the U.S.  Guess who helped to pay for them, by giving them
"TAX FREE" breaks for five years!

10)  We just may be financing the next wave of attacks every time we
stop at a convenience store, buy gas, or stay in a motel.  Who knows,
perhaps every time we stop in Wally World (Wal-Mart) to make a purchase?

11)  The Jihadists specialize in false documents such as drivers
licenses, passports, etc.  -- Kind of reminds me of a request about 8 or
9 years ago involving an acquaintance.  However, not sure of the country
of origin or religion of the party.  He surely looked "middle eastern"
but could have been looking jihad documents or hoping for a "sting" of a
Christian.

12)  Jihad means, "a war by Muslims against unbelievers or enemies of
Islam, carried out as a religious duty."  If you are not Muslim/Islamic
then you are an "infidel" in their book.  Your "religion" may be
welding, races or football games but they have a "religious duty" to
conduct a "holy war" against all who are not Islamic.  Oh, that def. is
from Webster's New World 4th Ed.

MUCH more can be said.  The $99 is cheap for the info they provide.
http://www.homelandsecurity.us/  Check them out or poopoo all the
warnings. It's YOUR choice.   When the next wave comes, especially if
there are multiple derailments at one time, I promise to try to refrain
from saying, "I told you so!"

Ever hear of the "October Surprise"?  We may not have to wait till
October!  911 is our emergency call number and someone created an
emergency on that date.  July 4 is our "Independence Day" so don't be
surprised if they attempt to make it our DEPENDENCE Day.  They don't
want George Bush reelected. I expect something serious will happen
BEFORE November.

Take all the above for what it is worth.  I realize, for some, it is
worth very little.  For others, maybe, it could save their life and the
lives of their loved ones -- perhaps even the lives of lots of
strangers.  We all need to be AWARE of what is going on around us and
aware of the potential uses of any information we give out.

Al


author: mb

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
"RDF" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
some

Hah, I see you never mentioned which rod/filler you have to use on his
bunker...


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Your anvil base needs to be very stout. I've got mine sitting on a huge slab
from an old Ash tree.

You could weld a chain to it, or a coulpe links so that it could be spiked
down real permanent.

angle
with
"anvil."


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
"Shawn" <shawn_75ATcomcastDOTnet> wrote in message
news:[email]...
angle
with

I saw a base that was made of concrete and poured round.  About 30" round,
and 6" thick.  Once you got it up on its balance point, it would roll around
pretty good.  It had a piece of 2" flatbar around the bottom so the concrete
wouldn't chip off as it rolled.

Bulletproof.

Steve


author: John Husvar

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Joe wrote:

Maybe because its shape suggests it wouldn't take much work to turn it
into something like a London Pattern anvil? (The absolute proof that
looks can be deceiving) :)

Really, you're absolutely right. There are many shapes of steel laying
around scrapyards that work quite well for anvils. Some work far better
for certain purposes than a regular anvil.

For example, if one is making knives, a 4" X 4" square, 6 or 8 inches
long and solidly mounted works very well for forging blades. All the
piece really needs is to round over the sides of the square a bit.

Heck, the earliest smiths probably used whatever was at hand that was
solid and somewhat hard for an anvil, often a rock or a plain iron block.

The Iron Age dates back to 3500 BCE or thereabouts. Lots and lots of
ideas have been tried in that time. Experimenting is fun, too! :)


author: "Shawn"

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
For my intended purposes, a railroad track anvil will do just fine as well.
Where the track is not enough, for now, my forklift's counterweight is an
ideal anvil with many different curves, steps and flat areas.

Shawn
"SteveB" <[email]> wrote in message
news:0KsCc.563$UA1.273@lakeread04...
for


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Well, I guess it's a good thing I use my welding skills to make long range
drop down targets for hi-power rifle target shooting. I guess I'll just wrap
turbans around a few to hone my new needs if I were to follow your
rationale. At the same time I'll wear a N.B.C. suit under a aluminized
fire-suit.  If it's gonna happen it's out of our hands. No one found the Ark
but we sure moved a lot of steel and concrete out of NYC.

        The only good that has come out of this is the value of my defense
industry stocks and that is a fucked up thing to say.

"Al Patrick" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
some


author: Jerry Gardner

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Al Patrick wrote:

After 120 years of that, no wonder most chose to drown rather than spend 40
days and nights cooped up on a boat with that guy.


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
"Al Patrick"  wrote some "stuff.."  Where to begin!  Oh, Al, now that I know
what you have to tell us, I can see that I should go out and destroy my rail
anvil, as well as all my welding stuff along with it.  Impossible to know
when some sneaky foreigner will take these things and use them against our
beloved country.  But, don't you see--it's not only welding track--it's
EVERY form of craftsmanship.  Can't be careful enough.


author: wmbjk

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:43:04 -0400, Al Patrick <[email]> wrote:

One 500+ year-old * preacher, seven relatives, and a boatload of
animals. That explains a few things.

Wayne

* http://www.angelfire.com/nt/theology/gn04.html  (remember - if it's
good enough to be on the Internet, then it must be true)


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
I like that idea, just wish I had a set of rolls to form the circle.

Shawn

"SteveB" <[email]> wrote in message
news:UIsCc.562$UA1.34@lakeread04...
to
around
concrete


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Once you get done with this can you post a pic?

Jim

"Shawn" <shawn_75ATcomcastDOTnet> wrote in message
news:[email]...
well.


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
"Leo Lichtman" <[email]> wrote in message
news:vPMCc.131553$[email]...
know
rail

Does this mean that I now have to destroy my old rim hose holders?

sigh .................... snort ....................... whine
.....................

Please!  Anything but that!

Steve


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Getting a band rolled at a shop probably wouldn't be that much.  Or you
could just get lucky and find a piece of large diameter pipe and cut a
slice.  Easy to say, harder to do, unless you have a cutting band
............

You might be able to get a piece of sonotube to form the round part, or just
get a piece of sheet metal cut and make it into a round tube, and cut it off
when the concrete hardens.  Or leave it on.

Now that you got the idea, you might reach some creative solutions on your
own.

Might even be able to get a rolled piece of rebar from a local supplier or
steel yard.  They use them all the time in big pours.  It would be very
durable for a rolling ring, and you could weld other rebar to it inside the
pour for strength.

Then you might consider buying a forklift to move this growing puppy
.....................

Steve

"Shawn" <shawn_75ATcomcastDOTnet> wrote in message
news:[email]...
80#
anvils
to
round,


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Sure.

"Jim Meyer" <[email]> wrote in message
news:HckDc.98085$2i5.41020@attbi_s52...
an
decent


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
SteveB wrote:

Damn...this probably means that we need to start recycling concoms
too...just to eliminate clandestine cloning....

Tim


author: Rich Jones

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
SteveB wrote:

Hey, it' up to you, but if you don't melt down all of that
terrorist-inducing stuff you won't be able to get a thick-enough blast door
for your bunker.

Your loss.


author: Leo Lichtman

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
"The Guy" wrote:  Damn...this probably means that we need to start recycling
concoms  too...(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
STOP this at once!  You are just putting new ideas in the minds of the
terrorists.  If you are truly patriotic, and wish to support the war on
terror, you will stop thinking of things.


author: Bob Paulin

subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Leo Lichtman <[email]> wrote in article
<QOXCc.27493$[email]>...
recycling

I suspect that the people involved in terrorist activities have already
thought up some pretty scary things on their own - far beyond a little
joking around on an internet news group, and far beyond the thinking of the
vast majority of the world's population.

After all, who ever suggested using a modern airliner as a warhead?


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Leo Lichtman <[email]> wrote in article
<QOXCc.27493$[email]>...

Given your twisted rationale, perhaps the nation's security people should
stop developing extra security for major public events.....it only gives
terrorists new ideas for targets that we consider to have high value,
doesn't it?


subject: Re: Railroad Track Anvil

text:
Bob Paulin <[email]> wrote in article
<01c45af3$5531db20$b695c3d8@race>...
the

Terrorists are capable of thinking up activities that would make a strong
person pale.

For example, nobody had to write on a news group that beheading someone is
far more graphic and disturbing than shooting them. They already knew that,
and that's why they do it!

I also suspect that the continuous "Chicken Little" warnings from people
such as Al Patrick and you serve to de-sensitize people on the real issues
- to the point that they begin to take serious discussion on these issues
with a large grain of rock salt, expecting the "knee-jerkers" to control
the discussions.

Given Al Patrick's paranoia and convoluted thinking resulting from an
innocent question about welding, I would certainly not believe him if he
were reporting live, from a 747 airliner headed straight down to the
50-yard-line at the Super Bowl - with three television cameras mounted in
the cockpit, cabin, and on the wing broadcasting on all television stations
- broadcast and cable - in real time....well, maybe if the cameras were
REALLY in focus. LOL!

Such preposterous notions as those of Al Patrick - and yourself - are
really, to quote comedian Gallagher, "...THAT, F****ing Stupid!"

If we allow the terrorists to change the way we live, and the way we think
- suspecting everbody and everything, and afraid to pass along technical
information to help a fellow hobbyist or trade worker because it might be
used incorrectly - then they will have won.


date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:35:49 UNDEFINED

author: Ross Hedvicek

subject: Cesti idioti - podle abecedniho poradku...

text:
Ctete na http://www.mzv.cz/_novinky/mluvci.html#

2.2.2001   K zavedeni viz pro kanadske obcany:
Jake budou politicke dopady tohoto rozhodnuti?

Pochopitelne, nejde vyslovene o pratelske gesto. Ale obe zeme maji vzhledem k
dlouholete tradici nadstandardnich vztahu dostatek potencialu k tomu, aby
existujici dobre politicke vztahy a hospodarske zajmy tim nebyly zasadne
dotceny, tak, jak nebyly dotceny vztahy pri zavedeni vizove povinnosti Kanadou
v roce 1997. Koneckoncu, jsme spojenci v NATO a ministri zahranicnich veci pri
zasedanich mezinarodnich organizaci sedi podle anglickeho abecedniho poradku
vedle sebe.------------------------

PODLE ABECEDNIHO PORADKU!!!!! Tak to je USA hned vedle Ugandy!
Vidim ze v Cesku na to aby mohl jeden dostat zamestnani na MZV tak musi byt bud komunista a nebo uplny idiot.

Rosta

*************
Vy bando snobu pisici lamanou anglictinou!
Pokud jste ochotni psat cesky nebo slovensky -
tak se prihlaste na CS-CLUB. Staci poslat email
na adresu <[email]> a ono
vas to samo prihlasi.
Dodatek: Neni to nic pro mentalne slabsi charaktery
a Havloidi se ani hlasit nemusi - i kdyz muzou!
*************


author: Jaroslav Polacek

subject: Re: Cesti idioti - podle abecedniho poradku...

text:
[email] (Ross Hedvicek) wrote:

Pokud je jen jedno, nema dostatecnou kvalifikaci.

Jarda


author: Paul J Kriha

text:
In article <[email]>, [email]
(Jaroslav Polacek) wrote:
bud komunista a nebo uplny idiot.

O tu kvalifikaci nebyl nikdy problem, nastesti ty dve domeny
mely vzdy velkou intersekci.

(s durazem na spravnou cestinu)
Paul JK.


text:
[email] (Paul J Kriha) wrote:

No, a kdyby jedno z toho chybelo, da se to kompenzovat navstevou
Moskvy.

Jarda


author: Yukon Jack

text:
On Sun, 22 Apr 01 04:20:43 GMT, [email] (Paul J
Kriha) wrote:

Yeah!..Slovickar on record, how can you possibly create a sentence
like that! Hanba!  Y


author: Richard

text:
Z jedne strany Uganda, z druhe Uzbekistan. Presne sem G.W.B. zapada.
Richard

Jaroslav Polacek wrote in message <[email]>...
[email]
byt


text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (Yukon Jack)
wrote:
byt

Je to pravda, ze imigranti schopni ironie nebo
dokonce selfdeprecation nikdy nedostanou US obcanstvi?

Paul JK.


author: Hana Bizek

text:
Yukon Jack wrote:

No tak, panove! Kdopak jsou ti cesti idioti podle abecedniho poradku? A
nezapomente, ze "idiot" pro jednoho je "genius" pro druheho. Nejlepe je nebyt ani
jeden, ani druhy.  Zlata stredni cesta, zlaty prumer.
Hana a kostky


text:
On Sun, 22 Apr 01 06:42:10 GMT, [email] (Paul J
Kriha) wrote:

That's correct! We don't accept any self-doubting, weak-minded people
at our shores!  It dillutes our genetic pool.    Y


text:
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:17:18 -0500, Hana Bizek <[email]>
wrote:

Hano, ja uz jsem zapomnel o cem jsme se hadali. Ale jsem si jistej, ze
je to Polackova chyba.  On tu vzdycky neco zacne!  Y


text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (Yukon Jack)
wrote:
[email]

I thought so.

What puzzles me though is this: I never have had any
problems going to the US on business and staying for
even extended periods of time. So how is that
genetic pool security policed then?

Paul JK.


text:
[email] (Yukon Jack) wrote:

No jo, jasne. Zase ja a Mrkvo$oft.

Jarda

P.S.: Jak ti chodi Outlook?


text:
On Mon, 23 Apr 01 04:58:10 GMT, [email] (Paul J
Kriha) wrote:

I will tell yo if you promise to keep it to yourself.  While you here,
we serve you food which makes you temporarily sterile.  So should you
have a fling your boys will not swim for a while!!  Ingenious, huh?
Should conception occur anyway, then the female is automatically
shipped to Mongolia.  It's been like that since 1492.    Y


text:
In article <[email]>, [email]
(Jaroslav Polacek) wrote:
[email]
musi byt
nebyt ani

Jestli pouziva Outlook tak se ho ani nemusis ptat.
Posli mu programek po Outlooku a porozhlidni se. :-)

Paul JK.


text:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:34:07 GMT, [email] (Jaroslav
Polacek) wrote:

Ja nepouzivam Outlook jako Newsreader, ja pouzivam Free Agent a nejsem
tim nadsen.  Predtim jsem pouzival   Deja. com newsreader ktery byl
velice dobry,  byl ale vykoupen Googlem. com a zatim nefunguje.
Outlook like e-mail  mi  slouzil bajecne, ale ted pouzim jenom
Internet based webmail, takze to mohu otevrit kdekoliv na svete.  Muj
oblibeny je  Visto.   Y


text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (Yukon Jack)
wrote:
musi

Drats! To abych v kvetnu ssebou do San Jose vzal extra
kufr konzerv. A pak 14 dni v Omaha, to uz si tam u reky
polozim nejaka ta oka na zajice.

To budou v Mongolsku vdecni.

Paul JK.


text:
[email] (Paul J Kriha) wrote:

To vis, a jeste kvuli nemu budu studovat buffer overflow exploity.
Sice o tom vysla knizka, ale me by to nebavilo. Kdybych mu treba
poslal BackOrifice s tim, ze je to nahata Hilary Clinton, tak by se
mozna nenachytal. On je nejakej neduverivej.

Jarda


text:
[email] (Yukon Jack) wrote:

Nezoufej, vec zvyku. Hilt to asi postrada M$ nelogiku.

Mas mit konto nekde, kde na to muzes pres web i pres POP.

Jarda


text:
[email] (Paul J Kriha) wrote:

Teda to jsem netusil, ze jsi tak zatizeny na americke hamburgerove
krasavice. No, ale jak to napsal Mladek, on si clovek muze ze vsech
stran nahrnout vnad, kolik chce.

Jarda


text:
In article <[email]>, [email]
(Jaroslav Polacek) wrote:
[...]

Nazvi to: "Personal Thanks and a Free Gift from Bill Gates"
To zarucene nevydrzi a otevre to.

Paul JK.


text:
In article <[email]>, [email]
(Jaroslav Polacek) wrote:

Ale nejsem, vubec nejsem.

V Nebrasce se ale jeste najdou zdrave farmarske holky
bez plasticke fasady. (Zvlast ty na sokolske pouti
co prodavaji 'colaches' co jsou ze starych ceskych
a slovenskych rodin) :-)

Paul JK.


text:
[email] (Paul J Kriha) wrote:

Or "Bill Gates' Special offer for fidel M$ shareholders".

Jarda


author: Zdislav V. Kovarik

text:
In article <9c7g3t$[email]>,
Paul J Kriha <[email]> wrote:
:In article <[email]>,
:[email]
:(Jaroslav Polacek) wrote:
:>[email] (Paul J Kriha) wrote:
:>>(Yukon Jack) wrote:
:>>>(Paul J Kriha) wrote:
:>>>>(Yukon Jack) wrote:
:>>>>>(Paul J Kriha) wrote:
:>>>>>>(Yukon Jack) wrote:
:>>>>>>>(Paul J Kriha) wrote:
:>>>>>>>>[email] wrote:
:>>>>>>>>>Pokud je jen jedno, nema dostatecnou kvalifikaci.
:>>>>>>>>>
:>>>>>>>>>Jarda
:>>>>>>>>
:>>>>>>>>O tu kvalifikaci nebyl nikdy problem, nastesti ty dve
:>>>>>>>>domeny mely vzdy velkou intersekci.
:>>>>>>>>
:>>>>>>>>(s durazem na spravnou cestinu)
:>>>>>>>>
:>>>>>>>Yeah!..Slovickar on record, how can you possibly
:>>>>>>>create a sentence like that! Hanba!  Y
:>>>>>>
:>>>>>>Je to pravda, ze imigranti schopni ironie nebo
:>>>>>>dokonce selfdeprecation nikdy nedostanou US obcanstvi?
:>>>>>>
:>>>>>>Paul JK.
:>>>>>>
:>>>>>That's correct! We don't accept any self-doubting,
:>>>>>weak-minded people at our shores!  It dillutes our genetic
:>>>>>pool.    Y
:>>>>
:>>>>I thought so.
:>>>>
:>>>>What puzzles me though is this: I never have had any
:>>>>problems going to the US on business and staying for
:>>>>even extended periods of time. So how is that
:>>>>genetic pool security policed then?
:>>>>
:>>>>Paul JK.
:>>>>
:>>>
:>>>I will tell yo if you promise to keep it to yourself.  While
:>>>you here, we serve you food which makes you temporarily
:>>>sterile.  So should you have a fling your boys will not swim
:>>>for a while!!  Ingenious, huh?
:>>>Should conception occur anyway, then the female is
:>>>automatically shipped to Mongolia.  It's been like that since
:>>>1492.    Y
:>>
:>>Drats! To abych v kvetnu ssebou do San Jose vzal extra
:>>kufr konzerv. A pak 14 dni v Omaha, to uz si tam u reky
:>>polozim nejaka ta oka na zajice.
:>>
:>>To budou v Mongolsku vdecni.
:>
:>Teda to jsem netusil, ze jsi tak zatizeny na americke
:>hamburgerove krasavice. No, ale jak to napsal Mladek, on si
:>clovek muze ze vsech stran nahrnout vnad, kolik chce.
:>Jarda
:
:Ale nejsem, vubec nejsem.
:
:V Nebrasce se ale jeste najdou zdrave farmarske holky
:bez plasticke fasady. (Zvlast ty na sokolske pouti
:co prodavaji 'colaches' co jsou ze starych ceskych
:a slovenskych rodin) :-)
:
:Paul JK.

Colaches ze starych ceskych a slovenskych rodin???
Cim je konzervujou?

Tady se dostane "Kolach", coz je nejbliz ceske vanocce,
a s uspokojenim jsem si na obalu precet, ze je delaji
bez prezervativu. To jste mel na mysli?

Slavek(ZVK)


text:
In article <9c5ote$[email]>,
[email] (Zdislav V. Kovarik) wrote:

[...]

To urcite ja si budu pamatovat co jsem mel na mysli
tehdy, kdyz jsem to psal. Ja mam dost prace popsat
co mam na mysli ted. Asi to ale spis to byly holky
ze starych rodin nez kolace z tamtez.

Ty kolace v Aksarbenskych oslavach byly pecene
po domacku. Stejne jsem ale nemel odvahu si
nejake koupit, tak ani nevim, jak chutnaly.
Nedavno jsem mel na netu (asi na slovanske genealogii)
diskuzi o kolacich s nasimi byvalymi jihoslovanskymi
krajany a ti mi vysvetlili, ze jejich kolace vubec
nemusi byt kulate, ze oni tu souvislost kolace s kolem
nevidi, a kolo stejne reknou jinak. Sice priznali, ze
se jejich narodni tanec Kolo tanci do kruhu, ale trvali
na tom, ze kolace nejsou kulate. Budiz.

Takze mam podezreni, ze jsou ty merkinske kolacove
tradice nejak infikovane.

Cimz jsem tedy prisel v kruhu na ten jiz vami zmineny
problem nepouzivani prezervativu. Jsem rad, ze
aspon Kanadsti pekari maji tu cest priznat na obalu,
ze to pecou na ostro.

Paul JK


author: Pavel Dvorak

text:
Zdislav V. Kovarik ([email]) writes:

[hodne vymazano]

                                                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Take nevim, proc by si kvuli peceni kolacu mel clovek natahovat
preservativ.  Ostatne to vetsinou pecou zeny.

Pavel


text:
In article <9c6f3u$6js$[email]>, [email]
(Pavel Dvorak) wrote:

Ja myslim, ze mame ten termin trochu popleteny.
Pre-servatus je prislovecne urceni casu znamenajici
pred rokem 1511.

Miguel Servetus 1511-1553 byl spanelsky theolog a doktor.
V roce 53 ho dal Calvin upalit, protoze poprel doktrinu
o Svate Trojici a ucil, ze Kristus nebyl syn bozi.

Paul JK.


author: [redacted]

subject: OT A5 boekje maken

text:
Weet iemand hoe ik een boekje op A5 kan maken vanuit Word en dan de pagina's op de goede volgorde printen: 1e en laatste naast elkaar, 2 en 1na laatste etc.

Groeten,

Godwin


author: Evertjan.

subject: Re: OT A5 boekje maken

text:
wrote on 26 aug 2006 in soc.genealogy.benelux:

[Max lijnlengte op usenet graag ca 76 chars]

<http://www.fineprint.com/products/fineprint/index.html>

"booklet making"


author: Richard Keijzer

subject: Re: OT A5 boekje maken

text:
[email] wrote:

Dag,

Toevallig heb ik daar de nodige ervaring mee, maar dan in een andere
nieuwsgroep, te weten  microsoft.public.word.pagelayout. In die groep
is het onderwerp al jaren een steeds terugkerend fenomeen. Daar vind je
ook een link naar een uitleg:

 http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/BookletPrinting.htm

waar niet geheel toevallig een door ondergetekende geschreven macro
terug te vinden is die een document omtovert tot een boekje op A5.

Groeten van Richard


author: Daan

subject: Re: OT A5 boekje maken

text:
"Richard Keijzer" <[email]> schreef in bericht
news:[email]...

Jammer, want dat leest een stuk makkelijker
en dan had ik ook wel intresse gehad.

Daan


author: "M. Boers"

subject: RE: [GEN-BENELUX] Re: OT A5 boekje maken

text:
In Mircrosoft Word 2003 wordt deze functie standaard aangeboden.
Zie eventueel onderstaande link:

http://office.microsoft.com/en-ca/assistance/HP030729491033.aspx

Er betsaat ook een los programma dat als voordeel heeft dat het
onafhankelijk werkt van het programma dat het boekje moet leveren. Deze
oplossing is ook veelzijdiger dan de Word optie. Maar het is niet gratis:

http://www.bluesquirrel.com/products/clickbook/

Clickbook van Bluesquirrel uitgevers kost $49.95 en bestaat er ook in een
Macintosh versie.

Michaï¿½l Boers
E-Mail: michael.boers @ hccnet.nl
Research: Boers/Buhrs/Buers/Buhr, Distelbrink, Keulemans/Ceulemans, Reuvers,
Liesoij/Liesoy/Lisois/Liegois, Franscella/Fransella/Francella

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Keijzer [mailto:[email]]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 3:31 PM
To: [email]
Subject: [GEN-BENELUX] Re: OT A5 boekje maken

Jaap wrote:
pagina's op de goede volgorde printen: 1e en laatste naast elkaar, 2 en 1na
laatste etc.

Nee


author: Jaap

subject: Re: OT A5 boekje maken

text:
Is dat artikel van jou ook in het Nederlands verkrijgbaar?

Groeten Jaap


author: Rob Bishoff

subject: Re: OT A5 boekje maken

text:
Daan wrote:
Met Writer, de Open Office-kloon van Word, kan via het afdruk-menu op
simpele wijze een A5-boekje gemaakt worden. Uitgegaan wordt van een
aantal A4-pagina's en in principe regelt het programma alles zelf.

Het pakket is gratis en kan worden gedownload van nl.openoffice.org.

Ik heb nog ergens een korte handleiding liggen, voornamelijk over de
manier waarop het papier voor het printen van de voorkanten moet worden
teruggelegd in de printer  om de andere kant te printen. Laat maar horen
als iemand belangstelling heeft.

groeten, rob


author: "Jaap van Kuler"

subject: Re: [GEN-BENELUX] Re: OT A5 boekje maken

text:
Hallo Rob,

Ik heb wel belangstelling voor die handleiding en zou toezending zeer op
prijs stellen. Bij voorbaat dank.

Hartelijke groet uit Purmerend,
Jaap van Kuler
Overzichtelijke startpagina (> 150 links): http://vankuler.favos.nl/
Website (met circa 50 genealogische overzichten): www.vankuler-genealogie.nl
Families in Purmerend: http://home.hetnet.nl/~jvkuler/purmerend.htm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Bishoff" <[email]>
To: <[email]>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: [GEN-BENELUX] Re: OT A5 boekje maken


subject: Re: .               syrian female runner wins gold

text:
In article <4to4o8$[email]>, [email] (Fatima Ibrahim Al-Shirawi) writes:

No :> He should not waste his God's forgiveness on other people :>


author: Chairman Mao says:

subject: Re: Response to: islamsu...@techemail.com ( 5 / 20/2007 )- Susan

text:
I think it is Susan Cohen doing these things to you.
Lets take this simple test.

1.  Do you see fat , ugly women watching you in Wal-mart?   That is Susan
Cohen

2.  Do you often see people with huge hooked noses watching you when you are
walking around?
     (Those are associates of Susan Cohen)

Susan Cohen is a secret undercover agent working for Mossad, so you must ask
her these things why people follow you around, stuff like this.

She lives in Soc.culture.jewish so you can go ask them.

If someone named Fat Alpert answers for Susan he is her handler.

Good Luck

<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Binjamin Cram'er

text:
"Chairman Mao says:" <[email]> wrote in message
news:4650d9ec$0$3581$[email]...

Handlers. Not associates.


author: Ramabriga

subject: Re: Racist thugs faking my name

text:
Stop faking my name you anti-Muslim terrorist
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


author: As Zamt

subject: La ley de la selva

text:
La ley de la selva

El comercio dentro de la sociedad y entre los países es el intercambio
de bienes y servicios que producen los seres humanos. Los dueños de
los medios de producción se apropian de las ganancias. Ellos dirigen,
como clase, el estado capitalista y se ufanan de ser los impulsores
del desarrollo y el bienestar social a través del mercado, al cual se
rinde culto como dios infalible.

Dentro de cada país es la competencia entre los más fuertes y los más
débiles, los de más vigor físico, los que se alimentan mejor, los que
aprendieron a leer y escribir, los que fueron a las escuelas, los que
acumulan más experiencia, más relaciones sociales, más recursos, y los
que carecen de esas ventajas dentro de la sociedad.

Entre países, los que tienen mejor clima, más tierra cultivable, más
agua, más recursos naturales en el espacio en que les tocó vivir
cuando no existen más territorios que conquistar, los que dominan las
tecnologías, los que poseen más desarrollo y manejan infinitos
recursos mediáticos, y los que, por el contrario, no disfrutan ninguna
de estas prerrogativas.Son las diferencias a veces abismales entre las
que se califican como naciones ricas o pobres.

Es la ley de la selva.

Las diferencias entre las etnias no existen en cuanto se refiere a las
facultades mentales del ser humano. Es algo más que probado
científicamente. La sociedad actual no fue la forma natural en que
evolucionó la vida humana; ha sido una creación del hombre ya
mentalmente desarrollado, sin la cual no se puede concebir su propia
existencia. Lo que se plantea es, por tanto, si el ser humano podrá
sobrevivir al privilegio de poseer una inteligencia creadora.

El sistema capitalista desarrollado, cuyo máximo exponente es el país
de naturaleza privilegiada adonde el hombre blanco europeo llevó sus
ideas, sus sueños y sus ambiciones, se encuentra hoy en plena crisis.
No es la habitual cada cierto número de años, ni siquiera la
traumática de los años treinta, sino la peor de todas desde que el
mundo siguió ese modelo de crecimiento y desarrollo.

La actual crisis del sistema capitalista desarrollado se produce
cuando el imperio está próximo a cambiar de jefatura en las elecciones
que tendrán lugar dentro de veinticinco días; era lo único que faltaba
por ver.

Los candidatos de los dos partidos que deciden en esas elecciones,
tratan de persuadir a los desconcertados votantes --muchos de los
cuales no se han preocupado nunca por votar-- de que ellos, como
aspirantes a la Presidencia, son capaces de garantizar el bienestar y
el consumismo de lo que califican como un pueblo de capas medias, sin
el menor propósito de verdaderos cambios en lo que consideran el más
perfecto sistema económico que ha conocido el mundo; un mundo que, por
supuesto, en la mentalidad de cada uno de ellos, es menos importante
que la felicidad de trescientos y tantos millones de habitantes de una
población que no llega al cinco por ciento de los habitantes del
planeta. La suerte del otro noventa y cinco por ciento de los seres
humanos, la guerra y la paz, la atmósfera respirable o no, dependerá
en gran parte de las decisiones del jefe institucional del imperio, si
es que ese cargo constitucional tiene o no poder real en la época de
las armas nucleares y los escudos espaciales manejados por
computadoras en circunstancias tales que los segundos son decisivos y
los principios éticos tienen cada vez menos vigencia. No puede, sin
embargo, ignorarse el papel más o menos nefasto que corresponde a un
presidente de ese país.

En Estados Unidos existe un profundo racismo, y la mente de millones
de blancos no se reconcilia con la idea de que una persona negra con
la esposa y los niños ocupen la Casa Blanca, que se llama así: Blanca.

De puro milagro el candidato demócrata no ha sufrido la suerte de
Martin Luther King, Malcolm X y otros, que albergaron sueños de
igualdad y justicia en décadas recientes. Tiene además el hábito de
mirar al adversario con serenidad y reírse de los aprietos dialécticos
de un oponente que mira hacia el vacío.

Por otro lado, el candidato republicano, que cultiva su fama de hombre
belicoso, fue uno de los peores alumnos de su curso en West Point. No
sabía nada de Matemáticas, según confiesa, y es de suponer que mucho
menos de las complicadas ciencias económicas. Sin duda, su adversario
lo supera en inteligencia y serenidad.

Lo que más abunda en McCain son los años, y su salud no es en lo
absoluto segura.

Menciono estos datos para señalar la eventual posibilidad --si algo
ocurriera con la salud del candidato republicano, si lo eligen-- de que
la señora del rifle e inexperta ex gobernadora de Alaska fuese
Presidenta de Estados Unidos. Se observa que no sabe nada de nada.

Meditando sobre la deuda pública actual de Estados Unidos que el
presidente Bush descarga sobre las nuevas generaciones en ese país
--diez mil doscientos sesenta y seis millones de millones--, se me
ocurrió calcular el tiempo que tardaría un hombre para contar la deuda
que aquél prácticamente ha duplicado en ocho años.

Suponiendo ocho horas de trabajo neto diario sin perder un segundo, al
ritmo rápido de cien billetes de un dólar por minuto, 300 días de
trabajo al año, un hombre tardaría setecientos diez mil millones de
años para contar esa suma.

No encontré otra forma gráfica de imaginarme el volumen de esa suma de
dinero que se menciona casi diariamente en estos días.

El gobierno de Estados Unidos, para evitar un pánico generalizado,
declara que garantizará depósitos de ahorristas que no rebasen los 250
mil dólares; administrará bancos y cifras de dinero que Lenin, con
ábacos, no habría imaginado contabilizar.

Podemos preguntarnos ahora qué aporte hará la administración Bush al
socialismo. Pero no nos hagamos ilusiones. Cuando el funcionamiento de
los bancos se normalice, los imperialistas se las devolverán a las
empresas privadas, como hizo algún que otro país en este hemisferio.
El pueblo paga siempre las cuentas.

El capitalismo tiende a reproducirse en cualquier sistema social,
porque parte del egoísmo y los instintos del hombre.

A la sociedad humana no le queda otra alternativa que superar esa
contradicción, porque de otra forma no podría sobrevivir.

En este momento, el mar de dinero que les lanzan a las finanzas
mundiales los bancos centrales de los países capitalistas
desarrollados está golpeando fuertemente a las bolsas de los países
que tratan de superar el subdesarrollo económico y acuden a esas
instituciones. Cuba no posee bolsa de valores. Sin duda surgirán
formas de financiamiento más racionales, más socialistas.

La crisis actual y las brutales medidas del gobierno de Estados Unidos
para salvarse traerán más inflación, más devaluación de las monedas
nacionales, más pérdidas dolorosas de los mercados, menores precios
para las mercancías de exportación, más intercambio desigual. Pero
traerán también a los pueblos más conocimiento de la verdad, más
conciencia, más rebeldía y más revoluciones.

Veremos ahora cómo se desarrolla la crisis y qué ocurre en Estados
Unidos dentro de veinticinco días.

 [ [ Fidel Castro
     Cubadebate ]
   http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.php?id=74205
]

As Zamt


author: Bufozzo

subject: Re: La ley de la selva

text:
O sea, el comandante no augura buenos tiempos , casi que quedarï¿½an
descartadas las oportunidades objetivas.
Es que Fidel piensa como yo ;-)

Sr Bufozzo

"As Zamt" <[email]> escribiï¿½ en el mensaje
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La ley de la selva

El comercio dentro de la sociedad y entre los paï¿½ses es el intercambio
de bienes y servicios que producen los seres humanos. Los dueï¿½os de
los medios de producciï¿½n se apropian de las ganancias. Ellos dirigen,
como clase, el estado capitalista y se ufanan de ser los impulsores
del desarrollo y el bienestar social a travï¿½s del mercado, al cual se
rinde culto como dios infalible.

Dentro de cada paï¿½s es la competencia entre los mï¿½s fuertes y los mï¿½s
dï¿½biles, los de mï¿½s vigor fï¿½sico, los que se alimentan mejor, los que
aprendieron a leer y escribir, los que fueron a las escuelas, los que
acumulan mï¿½s experiencia, mï¿½s relaciones sociales, mï¿½s recursos, y los
que carecen de esas ventajas dentro de la sociedad.

Entre paï¿½ses, los que tienen mejor clima, mï¿½s tierra cultivable, mï¿½s
agua, mï¿½s recursos naturales en el espacio en que les tocï¿½ vivir
cuando no existen mï¿½s territorios que conquistar, los que dominan las
tecnologï¿½as, los que poseen mï¿½s desarrollo y manejan infinitos
recursos mediï¿½ticos, y los que, por el contrario, no disfrutan ninguna
de estas prerrogativas.Son las diferencias a veces abismales entre las
que se califican como naciones ricas o pobres.

Es la ley de la selva.

Las diferencias entre las etnias no existen en cuanto se refiere a las
facultades mentales del ser humano. Es algo mï¿½s que probado
cientï¿½ficamente. La sociedad actual no fue la forma natural en que
evolucionï¿½ la vida humana; ha sido una creaciï¿½n del hombre ya
mentalmente desarrollado, sin la cual no se puede concebir su propia
existencia. Lo que se plantea es, por tanto, si el ser humano podrï¿½
sobrevivir al privilegio de poseer una inteligencia creadora.

El sistema capitalista desarrollado, cuyo mï¿½ximo exponente es el paï¿½s
de naturaleza privilegiada adonde el hombre blanco europeo llevï¿½ sus
ideas, sus sueï¿½os y sus ambiciones, se encuentra hoy en plena crisis.
No es la habitual cada cierto nï¿½mero de aï¿½os, ni siquiera la
traumï¿½tica de los aï¿½os treinta, sino la peor de todas desde que el
mundo siguiï¿½ ese modelo de crecimiento y desarrollo.

La actual crisis del sistema capitalista desarrollado se produce
cuando el imperio estï¿½ prï¿½ximo a cambiar de jefatura en las elecciones
que tendrï¿½n lugar dentro de veinticinco dï¿½as; era lo ï¿½nico que faltaba
por ver.

Los candidatos de los dos partidos que deciden en esas elecciones,
tratan de persuadir a los desconcertados votantes --muchos de los
cuales no se han preocupado nunca por votar-- de que ellos, como
aspirantes a la Presidencia, son capaces de garantizar el bienestar y
el consumismo de lo que califican como un pueblo de capas medias, sin
el menor propï¿½sito de verdaderos cambios en lo que consideran el mï¿½s
perfecto sistema econï¿½mico que ha conocido el mundo; un mundo que, por
supuesto, en la mentalidad de cada uno de ellos, es menos importante
que la felicidad de trescientos y tantos millones de habitantes de una
poblaciï¿½n que no llega al cinco por ciento de los habitantes del
planeta. La suerte del otro noventa y cinco por ciento de los seres
humanos, la guerra y la paz, la atmï¿½sfera respirable o no, dependerï¿½
en gran parte de las decisiones del jefe institucional del imperio, si
es que ese cargo constitucional tiene o no poder real en la ï¿½poca de
las armas nucleares y los escudos espaciales manejados por
computadoras en circunstancias tales que los segundos son decisivos y
los principios ï¿½ticos tienen cada vez menos vigencia. No puede, sin
embargo, ignorarse el papel mï¿½s o menos nefasto que corresponde a un
presidente de ese paï¿½s.

En Estados Unidos existe un profundo racismo, y la mente de millones
de blancos no se reconcilia con la idea de que una persona negra con
la esposa y los niï¿½os ocupen la Casa Blanca, que se llama asï¿½: Blanca.

De puro milagro el candidato demï¿½crata no ha sufrido la suerte de
Martin Luther King, Malcolm X y otros, que albergaron sueï¿½os de
igualdad y justicia en dï¿½cadas recientes. Tiene ademï¿½s el hï¿½bito de
mirar al adversario con serenidad y reï¿½rse de los aprietos dialï¿½cticos
de un oponente que mira hacia el vacï¿½o.

Por otro lado, el candidato republicano, que cultiva su fama de hombre
belicoso, fue uno de los peores alumnos de su curso en West Point. No
sabï¿½a nada de Matemï¿½ticas, segï¿½n confiesa, y es de suponer que mucho
menos de las complicadas ciencias econï¿½micas. Sin duda, su adversario
lo supera en inteligencia y serenidad.

Lo que mï¿½s abunda en McCain son los aï¿½os, y su salud no es en lo
absoluto segura.

Menciono estos datos para seï¿½alar la eventual posibilidad --si algo
ocurriera con la salud del candidato republicano, si lo eligen-- de que
la seï¿½ora del rifle e inexperta ex gobernadora de Alaska fuese
Presidenta de Estados Unidos. Se observa que no sabe nada de nada.

Meditando sobre la deuda pï¿½blica actual de Estados Unidos que el
presidente Bush descarga sobre las nuevas generaciones en ese paï¿½s
--diez mil doscientos sesenta y seis millones de millones--, se me
ocurriï¿½ calcular el tiempo que tardarï¿½a un hombre para contar la deuda
que aquï¿½l prï¿½cticamente ha duplicado en ocho aï¿½os.

Suponiendo ocho horas de trabajo neto diario sin perder un segundo, al
ritmo rï¿½pido de cien billetes de un dï¿½lar por minuto, 300 dï¿½as de
trabajo al aï¿½o, un hombre tardarï¿½a setecientos diez mil millones de
aï¿½os para contar esa suma.

No encontrï¿½ otra forma grï¿½fica de imaginarme el volumen de esa suma de
dinero que se menciona casi diariamente en estos dï¿½as.

El gobierno de Estados Unidos, para evitar un pï¿½nico generalizado,
declara que garantizarï¿½ depï¿½sitos de ahorristas que no rebasen los 250
mil dï¿½lares; administrarï¿½ bancos y cifras de dinero que Lenin, con
ï¿½bacos, no habrï¿½a imaginado contabilizar.

Podemos preguntarnos ahora quï¿½ aporte harï¿½ la administraciï¿½n Bush al
socialismo. Pero no nos hagamos ilusiones. Cuando el funcionamiento de
los bancos se normalice, los imperialistas se las devolverï¿½n a las
empresas privadas, como hizo algï¿½n que otro paï¿½s en este hemisferio.
El pueblo paga siempre las cuentas.

El capitalismo tiende a reproducirse en cualquier sistema social,
porque parte del egoï¿½smo y los instintos del hombre.

A la sociedad humana no le queda otra alternativa que superar esa
contradicciï¿½n, porque de otra forma no podrï¿½a sobrevivir.

En este momento, el mar de dinero que les lanzan a las finanzas
mundiales los bancos centrales de los paï¿½ses capitalistas
desarrollados estï¿½ golpeando fuertemente a las bolsas de los paï¿½ses
que tratan de superar el subdesarrollo econï¿½mico y acuden a esas
instituciones. Cuba no posee bolsa de valores. Sin duda surgirï¿½n
formas de financiamiento mï¿½s racionales, mï¿½s socialistas.

La crisis actual y las brutales medidas del gobierno de Estados Unidos
para salvarse traerï¿½n mï¿½s inflaciï¿½n, mï¿½s devaluaciï¿½n de las monedas
nacionales, mï¿½s pï¿½rdidas dolorosas de los mercados, menores precios
para las mercancï¿½as de exportaciï¿½n, mï¿½s intercambio desigual. Pero
traerï¿½n tambiï¿½n a los pueblos mï¿½s conocimiento de la verdad, mï¿½s
conciencia, mï¿½s rebeldï¿½a y mï¿½s revoluciones.

Veremos ahora cï¿½mo se desarrolla la crisis y quï¿½ ocurre en Estados
Unidos dentro de veinticinco dï¿½as.

 [ [ Fidel Castro
     Cubadebate ]
   http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.php?id=74205
]

As Zamt


subject: Re: La ley de la selva

text:
On 12 oct, 22:08, "Bufozzo" <[email]> wrote:

Yo tampoco auguro "buenos tiempos". Y no sé a qué le llama Vd.
"oportunidades objetivas". Si se refiere a las condiciones objetivas
para que en la sociedad aparezca el deseo de establecer un cambio
revolucionario porque (entre otras) lo que hay ya no funciona y se
revela necesario encontrar una alternativa, no tiene nada que ver con
la "bondad" de los tiempos, más bien que al contrario.

Vd. me decía ayer que "nada cambiará, se ajustarán los cinturones, nos
joderemos los otros as usual". Y yo le dije que cuando se tiene que
ajustar los cinturones, la gente se ve obligada a pensar, además de
que yo no estaría tan seguro de que los adláteres del liberalismo
volverían a tener el mismo apoyo después de esta caída del tinglado.
Si se fija, va a ver que al final del artículo Castro dice algo en esa
línea: "pero traerán también a los pueblos más conocimiento de la
verdad, más conciencia, más rebeldía y más revoluciones.". Yo me
conformaría con llegar a ver un mundo en el que comenzaran las
primeras dos y la mitad de la cuarta.

Saludos
As Zamt


author: McTesty

subject: Re: La ley de la selva

text:
Mensaje bastante largo y petulante.  Si no tiene el tiempo para leerlo, la
ley de la selva dice, "Coma, o sea comida.  Despuï¿½s de unos aï¿½os, sea comida
igual."  Respecto al racismo alegado de mi pueblo, Obama es medio blanco.
Ya aceptamos a la Condoleeza, al Colin-Powell y a muchos otros.

ï¿½Ha visitado usted a los EEUU, por casualidad?


subject: Re: La ley de la selva

text:
On 12 oct, 23:20, "Bufozzo" <[email]> wrote:

Lo meno. Además parece un chiste, justo hoy que la campaña electoral
empezó a "intoxicarse" con el tema racial.

http://www.univision.com/contentroot/wirefeeds/world/7623675.html

Peroconvinotintoypan
As Zamt


subject: Re: La ley de la selva

text:
Yo tambiï¿½n albergo mis esperanzas, en parte por mi visiï¿½n optimista y en
parte por cï¿½bala.
Pero sï¿½ que costarï¿½ mucha sangre.

Sr Bufozzo

"As Zamt" <[email]> escribiï¿½ en el mensaje
news:[email]...
On 12 oct, 22:08, "Bufozzo" <[email]> wrote:

Yo tampoco auguro "buenos tiempos". Y no sï¿½ a quï¿½ le llama Vd.
"oportunidades objetivas". Si se refiere a las condiciones objetivas
para que en la sociedad aparezca el deseo de establecer un cambio
revolucionario porque (entre otras) lo que hay ya no funciona y se
revela necesario encontrar una alternativa, no tiene nada que ver con
la "bondad" de los tiempos, mï¿½s bien que al contrario.

Vd. me decï¿½a ayer que "nada cambiarï¿½, se ajustarï¿½n los cinturones, nos
joderemos los otros as usual". Y yo le dije que cuando se tiene que
ajustar los cinturones, la gente se ve obligada a pensar, ademï¿½s de
que yo no estarï¿½a tan seguro de que los adlï¿½teres del liberalismo
volverï¿½an a tener el mismo apoyo despuï¿½s de esta caï¿½da del tinglado.
Si se fija, va a ver que al final del artï¿½culo Castro dice algo en esa
lï¿½nea: "pero traerï¿½n tambiï¿½n a los pueblos mï¿½s conocimiento de la
verdad, mï¿½s conciencia, mï¿½s rebeldï¿½a y mï¿½s revoluciones.". Yo me
conformarï¿½a con llegar a ver un mundo en el que comenzaran las
primeras dos y la mitad de la cuarta.

Saludos
As Zamt


subject: Re: La ley de la selva

text:
Este shoni mamerto tiene que vivr 10 veces para poder entender a Castro.

Sr Bufozzo

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author: RLunfa

subject: Re: La ley de la selva

text:
Yo estuve en EEUU y conocï¿½ a un pelotudo de su mismo calibre.
Me hice amigo de ï¿½l, ergo, no soy antiyanqui, aunque continï¿½o pensando que
son ustedes un aborto social que requiere soluciï¿½n final.

RLunfa

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subject: Re: La ley de la selva

text:
Es algo como si lo llamara yo a usted nazista.  Eso no quisiera decir que el
uno ni el otro fuï¿½ramos nazistas, sï¿½lo que querï¿½amos jodernos, el uno al
otro.  Supongo que en su paï¿½s primitivo y tercermundista los polï¿½ticos se
joden, los unos a los otros, de la misma manera.  En Espaï¿½a por ejemplo se
denuncian, los unos a los otros, de "falta de respeto", cuando no hay nadie
a quiï¿½n respetar.  Es igual en los EEUU.  Si esta mujer se presentara como
candidata para presidente, lo ganarï¿½a sin duda (pero es demasiado sensata).

www.oprah.com

Respecto al "racismo" de los EEUU, usted es un Klugscheiï¿½er.  Mejor que
juegues a muï¿½ecas con las niï¿½as.

Saludos cordiales,

McTesty

"As Zamt" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
On 12 oct, 23:20, "Bufozzo" <[email]> wrote:

Lo meno. Ademï¿½s parece un chiste, justo hoy que la campaï¿½a electoral
empezï¿½ a "intoxicarse" con el tema racial.

http://www.univision.com/contentroot/wirefeeds/world/7623675.html

Peroconvinotintoypan
As Zamt


subject: Re: La ley de la selva

text:
No le dï¿½ pelota al shoni, es el tï¿½pico habitante de un paï¿½s comunista, con
el cerebro lavado, con sus comunicaciones interceptadas y sus bancos
estatizados.

Sr Bufozzo

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subject: Re: La ley de la selva

text:
Quï¿½ intenta hacer este citizen retard?
Defender a su paï¿½s negando al racismo?

EEUU es un paï¿½s de creï¿½dos rambos y vigilantes, tiroteadores de todo cuanto
se mueve y lo que no, bien harï¿½an en matarse mutuamente, manga de abortos.

RLunfa

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author: diaspora

subject: RE: Other petition that will be forwarded.

text:
"This talk of cultural genocide against Tamazight is completely false, and
to
continue to insist on it is to close one's eyes to the reality of what is
going on in Algeria. It is not the main or official language; it is not
taught
in all the schools, and those that do teach it are not being supported, but
that is the extent of what can truthfully say of the situation."

Blanca Madani.

Are you talking about the same pouvoir you campaigned for, madame president?

Like I said."EAST IS A CAREER."

Happy trails, mrs president.

......................................................................
diaspora.

dz ithalli...dz assa...dz athacha...algeria forever.


author: jsk

subject: Re: Other petition that will be forwarded.

text:
On Wed, 2 May 2001 00:23:47 -0400, diaspora <[email]>
wrote:

I bet you think the same thing sale RATON vas


author: Tabdenour

text:
fucken baathiste, you can shovel your dirty ass with your opinion and thanks
godthat you have berbers in algeria who are fighting for democracy,if you don't
like them go back to your masters the arabs in saudi arabia ,i bet they
don'teven want you.so keep your fucken big mouth(ass)shut


text:
sorry diaspora if you get my telex it's adressed to blanca madani, sorry again
.on est du meme bord ami


author: Milève

text:
diaspora wrote:

Listen Diaspora, I just put in the petition and you are on a holy war against
Bmadani.
I put in the petition in return of the one Fethi put in yesterday from Bmadani's
website:
___________________________
Subject: LETTER TO THE UNITED NATIONS
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:24:22 +0200
From: "Fethi&Di" <[email]>

http://www.waac.org/amazigh/letter_to_UN4-27-01.html
____________________________

Now stop deluding yourself.
Boy, you are like dogs in this newsgroup, you bite into people and can't let go.

One way or another, the american press can't be left in the dark about this all,

she works night and day for the ALGERIAN cause and filters news that enlighten
the american media about the situation in ALGERIA. I would trust her over you to
represent me a million times!!!!

She is not militating to be President nor for any prez at all, she is militating
for FREEDOM, and FREEDOM of speech. The american media has no clue of what is
going on in Algeria, if it wasn't for Blanca, all the lives that are involved,
40 millions of them, would not even be noticed in the States, Algeria would be
just a little country like any other with little revendications about nothing.

Now, if you people were intelligent, you would help and feed her with valuable
INFO instead of criticism!!!! You want to HELP change the poverty, the
non-democratic state of affairs, the lack of RESPECT, the constant manipulation
of the government; you want all the WORLD to know about it??? But when you have
an oportunity to shed light on it all by means of the media and through Bmadani
who is opening up a way through the WHOLE AMERICAN media, you screw it up. It is
people like YOU "DIASPORA dz ithalli...dz assa...dz athacha...algeria forever"
who make sure that people who can spread the news are discredited!!!!

I am so deceived... a big mouth on a little dog... a chihuahua.

When the media reported all was calm in Algeria yesterday, how many people spent
the night in jails, being beated, killed? This is not reported... and no riots
doesn't mean that there is peace.

You are an idiot! After the announce of Boutef, all was reported calm!!!! This
is what the Algerian government wanted the WORLD to believe... but in fact, this
angered the population even more... What do you think? That people said "Thanks
Boutef for the address, now we can rest, you have "heard us"!?!? I doubt it, but
the government is really good at minimizing it all, vulgarising it all, just
like you do Diaspora.

I congradulate and commend what Blanca is doing, night and day, writing articles
you will never see but MOVING things in the US, educating people who have no
clue of what Algeria is... people who can't figure out the difference between
ALGERIA and NIGERIA for Pete sake!!!! She spend nights and day gathering the
little bit of info she can get, second hand info, to figure out the TRUTH.

How about you Diaspora??? what are you doing to SPREAD the word that people need
a hand in ALGERIA????

So once and for all, let go of her since you are definitly not going to help her
and help your dear ALGERIA!!!! What important and pressing info have you
forwarded to Blanca lately????

A very deceived,
Cybele/Mileve

-----------------------------------------


subject: Re: Other petition that will be forwarded. M..####%%**++""'?M

text:
Tabdenour wrote:

I disagree with these obscenities  - Glamorizing violence is never right
-
I fear it's just another symptom of the current thinking that everyone
speaking any form of Arabic language  and doesn't agree with those who
try to take over the country by all kinds of lies and  endless pretexts
is considered a dog , but me, and they all deserve what they're looking
for-

I am sure this trafficant/ trabendour  of hate and racisme  is as bad as
Judge Judy on a good day - il's just too bad that with all the bullies
and put-downs we all ready have on this ng that he needs to be so mean -
Move over Judge Judy ! There are new Gendarmes in your town -And you've
invited them all -


text:
Tabdenour wrote:

Si tu essayes d'envoyer des nouvelles fraiches a Blanca pour qu'elle puisse les
faire passer ds la presse americaine/canadienne, envoie les lui a [email] ca
lui parviendra directement et elle en fera faire la distribution ou la traduction.

Elle n'est pas seule a travailler la dessus, il y a tout un groupe de benevoles
qui etudient les articles et fait la verifications des faits jour et nuit 24/7
avant qu'elle passe les articles aux journalistes au petites heures du matin.
L'important, c'est d'eduquer la presse a tous les niveaux, qu'ils ne laissent pas
tomber en pensant a tord et a travers que l'affaire est close depuis que
Bouteflika s'est adresse a la nation.

Cybele/Mileve


author: Fethi&Di

text:
Salututti,

Azul Mil_Eve/Cy_bele (l&r),
just go and look forward don't see back.

The Kabylians are fighting for a dignity and life not for the indecency and
death.
Some are looking for the pre-history's life and they enjoy it, let it be.

Let's concentrate our energy for a real indepence of our beloved land
Algerie real democratic or no algeria.
Let's support with our heart the party fighting for that purpose and to
bring into total capitulation of "our" allien leaders since 1962 till now
and at their head la BotE.

our pinochets : Nez_zar and his friend Bel_khra are wanted by the
international justice, soon we will have :
this list
http://www.ccfis.org/actuel/GenerauxF.pdf
http://www.ccfis.org/actuel/ComplicesF.pdf

et des plaintes dans toutes les instances internationales seront deposï¿½es
prochainement si ce n'est deja fait....

LEUR CAPITULATION TOTALE SINON PAS D'ALGERIE.