text:
On Dec 16, 3:44 pm, tuna <[email]> wrote:

So sa'nh hi`nh driving ranch be^n na`y:
http://www.tomitomato.com/now/USA16/DSC01225.JPG

tuna,


author: Madame Bình

subject: Re: Tie^`n o+i , ma`y ddi dda^u ?? Ddi De^m Ma^`u Ho^`ng :)

text:
.> > http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/93cc5/
.> So sa'nh hi`nh driving ranch be^n na`y:http://www.tomitomato.com/
now/USA16/DSC01225.JPG

Chie^'n khu R cu?a to^i o*? tre^n ddo^`i ddo', nha` co' ma'i ngo'i
ddo? :))))

Nhi`n hi`nh VN ta^.p dda'nh golf ma` quo*'t 1 ca/i la` be^? dda^`u
nha` ha`ng xo'm , chi ma^`n gu~i qua' va^.y, tha(`ng ddu*'ng nha('m
golf
thi` mu. no^.i be^n ca.nh mo'c ca'i bo'p cu~Ng kho^ng hay bie^'t


author: Ben Gee

subject: Women in Freemasonry

text:
Just a note.

It is my understanding from a relaible sources that many brethren in
the UK have their wives actrive in women freemasonry.
As a matter of fact, I di belive that the UGLE has admiteed that women
freemasons are a legit organization altho not recogfnized by the UGLE.

So the question is.....what does the RW say to his wife whois the PM
of her lodge?

Ben Geisler
Bedford #638
Toronto


author: Balboos

subject: Re: Women in Freemasonry

text:
Mark Dunn wrote:

Why not answer the charges with. "That's correct. So?"

Steve Miller


author: Sam Schwarzman

subject: Re: Women in Freemasonry

text:
Well Ben if it were my wife, it would probably be something like: "Hi dear,
here are the groceries you asked me to pick up". No, scratch that: "here are
the groceries you TOLD me to pick up"! <LOL>

Sam Schwarzman


author: Jack Wise

subject: Re: Women in Freemasonry

text:
Ben Gee wrote:

(a)  Yes Dear.
(b)  You're right Dear.
(c)  I love you
(d)  All of the above!!!


author: Mark Dunn

subject: Re: Women in Freemasonry

text:
As an English MM  I have to say this is not the case with my lodge or any I
have visited.
Ben Gee <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

This is a piece of ammunition against those who claim Freemasonry is not
open to women. The answer we may give is that there are at least two GL's in
England open to women, although of course a Freemason under UGLE may not
have anything to do with them himself.


author: Jim Stewart

subject: Re: Women in Freemasonry

text:
"Sam Schwarzman" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
dear,
are
You look darling, worshipful....

Jim Stewart


author: Dave Vick

subject: Re: Women in Freemasonry

text:
In article <4111060a$0$450$[email]>, Jack Wise
<[email]> wrote:

When in doubt, go heavy on #b.

(says the man in the west married to a Royal Matron in line for an
Amaranth Grand Line office)

-Dave
Co-moderator


author: Bestio del Giboudon

subject: Abd el Walid Wahid, mercenari "serbe"

text:
Dempiei un mes, telé Sarko nous esplico que Kaddafi es lou mesciont e
que lous salafistos sou lous brabounels.

Nous disiòu fai douche ons que lous serbes erou plo mescionts e que
lou criminal countro l'umanitat Naser Oric (musulman bousniaque
inculpat mas jamai jujat per lou TPY) ero lou brabounel.

Per nous prouba que Kaddafi es en bertat forço mesciont telé Sarko
nous esplico despiei un mois que l'armado libiano es ame lous
oupousants e que lou mesciont Kaddafi o pas que d'afrousament
mescionts mercenaris serbes per lou sousteni.

Auei incaro al journa d'uno ouro de besptre, France 2 nous mostro uno
coulouno libiano "leialisto" e la "journalisto" nous dis :

"Ce sont des mercenaires, serbes pour la plupart".

La camera s'aprocho. Où toutes de caros de libians.

Be faire l'interview d'un d'eles : parlo pas anglés, pas frances, ni
lou serbe de segur.

La sougo lengo que parlo, aco's l'arabe, ame lou meme accent que lous
antres libians.

Lou noum del "mercenari" apareis souto l'ecran:

ABD EL WALID WAHID

Aco marco pas serbe, ni sougament bosno-musulman.

incaro uno gascounado del Sarkounet !


author: Broc = filh de kollabo

subject: Amassatz-ve aquò, Bròc e lo faus A. M.

text:
http://www.liberation.fr/monde/01012326304-l-onu-approuve-le-recours-a-la-force-en-libye

L'ONU approuve le recours à la force en Libye

Le Conseil de sécurité de l'ONU a voté jeudi soir en faveur d'un
recours à la force contre les troupes du colonel Mouammar Kadhafi,
ouvrant la voie à des frappes aériennes en Libye.

La résolution adoptée par le Conseil autorise "toutes les mesures
nécessaires" pour protéger les civils et imposer un cessez-le-feu à
l'armée libyenne.

Le texte a été adopté par 10 voix sur les 15 membres du Conseil de
sécurité. La Chine et la Russie se sont abstenues mais n'ont pas
utilisé leur veto pour bloquer le texte.

Alors que Mouammar Kadhafi a annoncé un assaut contre la ville de
Benghazi, fief des rebelles, le ministre français des Affaires
étrangères, Alain Juppé, a averti qu'il n'y avait plus beaucoup de
temps pour intervenir. "C'est peut-être une question d'heures", a-t-il
lancé.

La France avait auparavant annoncé des frappes aériennes dès
l'adoption de la résolution.

Des tirs de joie ont retenti à Benghazi, fief des insurgés en Libye,
peu après l'adoption de la résolution du Conseil de sécurité de l'ONU,
selon des journalistes de l'AFP.


subject: Re: Amassatz-ve aquò, Bròc e lo faus A. M.

text:
On 18 mar, 00:08, "Broc = filh de kollabo" <[email]>
wrote:

Es pas aco que chambiaro grond causo.
Kaddafi ganho pas ame lous abiouns mes ame lous tanks e lous
fantassis,
e ame la rebolto des patriotos que i o tabe a Benghazi.


author: J. Balham Fiend

subject: Text of IRA statement

text:
Here is the full text of the IRA statement:

"Representatives of Oglaigh na hEireann met with Bridgeen Hagans, the
partner of Robert McCartney and with his sisters before our statement of 25
February was issued.

The meeting lasted five and a half hours. During this time the IRA
representatives gave the McCartney family a detailed account of our
investigation.

Our investigation found that after the initial melee in Magennis's bar, a
crowd spilled out onto the street and Robert McCartney, Brendan Devine and
two other men were pursued into Market Street.

Four men were involved in the attacks in Market Street on the evening of 30
January. A fifth person was at the scene. he took no part in the attacks and
was responsible for moving to safety one of the two people accompanying
Robert McCartney and Brendan Devine.

One man was responsible for providing the knife that was used in the
stabbing of Robert McCartney and Brendan Devine in Market Street. He got the
knife from the kitchen of Magennis's Bar.

Another man stabbed Robert McCartney and Brendan Devine.

A third man kicked and beat Robert McCartney after he had been stabbed in
Market Street.

A fourth man hit a friend of Robert McCartney and Brendan Devine across the
face with a steel bar in Market Street.

The man who provided the knife also retrieved it from the scene and
destroyed it. The same man also took the CCTV tape from the bar, after
threatening a member of staff and later destroyed it. He also burned clothes
after the attack.

Reports in the media have alleged that up to 12 IRA Volunteers were involved
in the events in Market Street. Our investigation found that this is not so.
Of the four people directly involved in the attacks in Market Street, two
were IRA Volunteers. The other two were not. The IRA knows the identity of
all these men.

The build-up to the attack and stabbings was also outlined to the family and
subsequently set out publicly in the IRA's statement of 25 February.

The IRA representatives detailed the outcome of the internal disciplinary
proceedings thus far and stated in clear terms that the IRA was prepared to
shoot the people directly involved in the killing of Robert McCartney.

The McCartney family raised their concerns with the IRA representatives.

These included: Firstly, the family made it clear that they did not want
physical action taken against those involved. They stated that they wanted
those individuals to give a full account of their actions in court.

Secondly, they raised concerns about the intimidation of witnesses.

The IRA's position on this was set out in unambiguous and categoric terms on
February 15 and February 25. Before and after this meeting with the family,
the IRA gave direct assurances on their safety to three named individuals
who the family believe were the targets of intimidation.

Since we met the family, at that time, the good offices of an independent
third party have been employed to reinforce these assurances with two of the
three men. To this point the third party has not been able to contact the
other man.

We have urged any witnesses who can assist in any way to come forward. That
remains our position. The only interest the IRA has in this case is to see
truth and justice achieved.

Since we issued our statement on February 25 there has been much political
and media comment on what we had to say. Predictably our opponents and
enemies who have their own agendas have used this brutal killing to attack
republicans and to advance their own narrow political interests. The public
will make their own judgment on this.

We sought and held a second meeting with the McCartney family in the
presence of an independent observer.

In the course of this we reiterated our position in respect of witnesses,
including our view that all witnesses should come forward. We also revisited
details of the incident.

We disclosed the following to the family: The conclusions of the IRA's
investigations are based on voluntary admissions by those involved.

The names of those involved in the attacks and stabbings of Robert
McCartney, Brendan Devine and the assault on another man in Market Street
were given to the family.

This included the names of the two men responsible for providing the knife,
using the knife, destroying the knife, destroying the CCTV tape and burning
clothes.

In addition we informed the family that: We have ordered anyone who was
present on the night to go forward and to give a full and honest account of
their actions. That includes those who have already been subject to the IRA's
internal disciplinary proceedings.

We are continuing to press all of those involved in the events around the
killings of Robert McCartney to come forward. The IRA is setting out all of
the above at length because it is important that those issues of truth and
justice are successfully resolved.

We are doing our best to work with the family and to respect their wishes."


author: westprog

subject: The Third Man

text:
"J. Balham Fiend" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
...
the
...

Would he be a witness?

J/

SOTW: "Wreck On The Highway" - Roy Acuff

http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/


author: Falcon

subject: Re: The Third Man

text:
"westprog" <[email]> wrote in message
news:h2BXd.49142$[email]...

Presumably - along with the fifth man who led two others to 'safety'.


subject: Re: The Third Man

text:
"Falcon" <[email]> wrote in message
news:QPBXd.77$[email]...
 ...

But apart from them and the other victim there were no witnesses at all, at
all.

J/

SOTW: "Wreck On The Highway" - Roy Acuff

http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/


author: partisan

subject: Johnny America = Abdul Al Arselifter

text:
WHATS MATTER DOG GAZA ISRAEL IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM JUST SHUT UP OR PISS
OFF FROM SCI!

On 13 Apr, 16:46, Bolt Upright <[email]> wrote:


author: Paul Hyett

subject: Re: Blowtorch Interrogation.

text:
In uk.politics.misc on Wed, 27 Jul 2005 at 07:11:41, Reginald Bosanquet
wrote :

Play them Tony Christie's 'Amarillo' and they'll give you OBL's home
address in 2 seconds...


author: Eunometic

subject: Re: Blowtorch Interrogation.

text:
Actually the most succesfull interogators are simply nice.

US Marine Major Sherwood F Moran, interrogating Japanese and Luftwaffe
Interrogator Hans Joachim Scharff were the most effective interogators
in history.  Scharffs easy going manner beguilded many a captured
airman into revealing information.

I beleive the effectiveness of interrogation is what drove the suicide
bombing method in the first place; it prevented the breaking up of
cells by the Mossad.  Unfortunatly our police seem to have been trained
by the Israeli's:  a nation singularly incapable of reconciliation
because of their barbaric methods.

I think its important that we don't sink into the kind of barbarity
that Islam has been known for throughout history.   This is a new kind
of warfare and it will be won on the moral and propaganda front.

Most important thing is not to torture Islamics for the information we
need but to put to trial and if possible hang the liar Blair so that we
can get rid of his ultra PC betrayal of the British people.


author: Dave

subject: Re: Blowtorch Interrogation.

text:
There is a thread about effective questioning:

Google link:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/uk.politics.misc/browse_frm/thread/fd5b33812bf77734/e6f5f0f5f417913d

Message ID of best post:
[email]

Google Link:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/e6f5f0f5f417913d?hl=en


author: Reginald Bosanquet

subject: Re: Blowtorch Interrogation.

text:
Jon wrote:

"Do we burn his balls until he tells all, or perhaps use modern
sophisticated
drugs....Or copy the "Liverpudlian" tart married to Princess Blair and
stand
firmly on the PC path of correctness. "

The best one I saw was a woman, possibly an American soldier, read
Harry Potter to a Gitmo detainee.  Actually Islam is filled with
demonic mysticism shite like Harry Potter rubbish.  They complianed
about that.  .

I think they also played Christina Aguilera's music.  I think the
bombers will talk if they play them Spice Girl's music or maybe Cliff
Richard or a few Eurovision contestant numbers.


author: Gary

subject: Re: Blowtorch Interrogation.

text:
The truth is, if he told all he knows he probably wouldn't tell much. 99% of
suicide bombers are pawns.


author: Clough

subject: Re: Blowtorch Interrogation.

text:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:32:25 +0100, "Jonï¿½" <[email]>
wrote:

Who gives a fuck what happens to the CIA.

Clough


author: Robert

subject: Re: Blowtorch Interrogation.

text:
"Jonï¿½" <[email]> wrote in message
news:42e77ea3@212.67.96.135...

Would you bugger him first, to demoralise him, and of course to provide a
little job satisfaction for yourself?


author: Nusrat Rizvi

subject: Re: Blowtorch Interrogation.

text:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:17:24 GMT, Clough <[email]> wrote:

Not many do but what they did to a prisoner goes to show the animals
do not deserve to live.
Certainly for my money one can never kill enough Muslims.
Nusrat Rizvi
Rowayton, Connecticut


author: h

subject: Re: Blowtorch Interrogation.

text:
"Nusrat Rizvi" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

The people of Worcester caught a Danish attacker and flayed him alive and
then crucified him on the doors of the Abbey way back.


subject: Re: Blowtorch Interrogation.

text:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:41:10 -0400, Nusrat Rizvi
<[email]> wrote:

Shit skinning shit. Who cares what sewer rats do to each other in far
off foreign places. Two less to worry about.

Clough


subject: Re: Blowtorch Interrogation.

text:
"Jonï¿½" <[email]> wrote in message
news:42e78ae8@212.67.96.135...

Ah you prefer to watch, well I suppose you aren't as young as you used to
be.


subject: Re: Blowtorch Interrogation.

text:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:57:41 GMT, Clough <[email]> wrote:

The Muslims are already in UK, you better join forces with us or
become a Muslim country in 25 years, it is as simple as that.
Nusrat Rizvi
Rowayton, Connecticut


author: Raja V

subject: Re: Theivam (Deivam): Tamil or Sanskrit

text:
Sorry Jai, but I think you are off on the wrong foot again. There is
nothing wrong with a debate on language, especially when this is to do with
the links between the various Indian languages, be they Aryan or Dravidian.
Our national structure allows us to celebrate our differences. I do not
believe that pride in one's language or region is necessarily a bad thing.
After all, there are 970 MM of us in India, its a bit difficult to
superimpose one single identity on all people. I fully recommend these
discussions, in the end, this is what will lead to greater pride in the
country.

Lets not be like our neighbours, and try to impose "one" character on all
the people living in India.

Regards.

Dr. Jai Maharaj <[email]> wrote in article <Bharat-


author: freeposte

subject: Information about Slovakia and a Slovakian pen pal please

text:
Good day Ladies and Gentlemen. I'm posting in english cause I do not know
the Slovakian language today. My apologies.
I'm a 25 IT engineer year young man posting from France country where I'm
originary and where I lived for years. Today is on my plans going working at
Ljubljana. I should admit I'm not familiar with Slovakia.
I've never been there and I do not know Slovakian originary people who would
tell me about them and their country.

I would love if You could tell me about Your country and provide me with
information, opinions about life in Slovakia, specially the capital.
Administratives web-links and
posting adresses where I could retrieve information are welcome.

Please I'm searching for a Slovakian pen pal as well, by knowing somebody
from Slovakia
I will be knowing Your country.

Many Thanks.

Octavio Parravicini


author: Gorazd Bozic

subject: Re: Information about Slovakia and a Slovakian pen pal please

text:
In article <a1cg98$e5e$[email]>,
freeposte <[email]> wrote:

First of all, Ljubljana is the capital of Slovenia, not Slovakia. The
capital of Slovakia is Bratislava. Those are two different countries,
not neighbouring on each other. The names are similar and this does
confuse some people.

http://www.ljubljana.si/generalinformation/index.html
http://www.slovenia-tourism.si/

Gorazd


author: CyberLegend aka Jure Sah

text:
freeposte wrote:

In fact it's quite obvious, you know! =] Ljubljana can be found in
SlovENia, not in SlovAKia, that's another country. ;]

...life in SlovENia...

Others will probably be able to provide some usefull links, if you
ignore the cupple of WW2-maniacs that write on this board. =] Otherwise,
the Internet holds lots of info about us, but I guess you would like
first hand info, because foregin sources often simply make something up
and insert it.

...a SlovENian pen pal...

You can write to me if you want. My e-mail address is real.


author: Tomaz Cedilnik

text:
freeposte wrote:

Neither do we...

Neither are we. But don't worry, Ljubljana, the capital of Slovenia, is
far enough from Slovakia.

So you are asking Slovenians to tell you about Slovakians?

I've never been to Slovakia, sorry. The capital is Bratislava. Hope that
helps.

I don't think people from Slovakia know a lot about Slovenia either.


text:
Cher Ami,
Vous ne savez pas de quel pays vous voulez parlez,dï¿½tournez vous donc vers
la Rep. de la Slovaquie

"freeposte" <[email]> a ï¿½crit dans le message de news:
a1cg98$e5e$[email]...
at
would


author: paredon

subject: Syria responds: Another Zionist crime!

text:
Syria: Israel attacked civilian area

Sunday 05 October 2003, 19:36 Makka Time, 16:36 GMT

Israel flexes its military might in an attack likely to raise tensions

Syria has said Israeli forces attacked a civilian area near  Damascus in a
"grave escalation" of tensions in the Middle East.

Damascus is capable of deterring Israel but will practice restraint, Syria's
Foreign Minister Faruq al-Shara said in a letter to the United Nations on
Sunday.

The Israelis had earlier claimed that it attacked an Islamic Jihad and Hamas
training base in the Ain al-Sahab area, about 20km northwest of Damascus.

It did not say whether air or ground forces carried out the strike, but an
unnamed security source was quoted as saying that it was an air attack early
on Sunday.

Both the Islamic Jihad and Syrian sources have denied that the area housed a
training base.

"Jihad has no combatants outside the Palestinian territories,"  the group's
Beirut-based spokesman Abu Imad Rifai told  Aljazeera.

Syrian analyst Dr Imad Shuaibi said the attack was aimed at sparking chaos
in the region and send a message to Damascus that Israel was willing to take
military action.

Shuaibi said the area housed refugees.

 Several civilians were injured in the strike, said a Lebanon-based official
for Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC).

"The significance of the operation is more in terms of its symbolic message
to the Syrians... It simply says that nobody is immune"

The attack is believed to be the first Israeli strike deep into Syrian
territory since the 1973 Arab-Israeli war. It took place on the eve of that
war's 30th anniversary.

An anonymous source said the attack targeted "an abandoned training camp"
that belonged to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP).

Israel could launch more attacks in Syria if it continues to support what
they said were "terrorist organisations" preparing anti-Israeli attacks,
according to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's spokesman.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad are spearheading the three-year old Palestinian
Intifada against Israel's occupation.

Reaction

Syria said it would complain to the UN Security Council. It also plans to
ask the 15-member body to hold a special session to discuss the attacks,
according to an unnamed diplomatic source.

Damascus is a member of the Security Council, but does not hold veto power.

Egypt's President Husni Mubarak condemned the strike, calling it an
aggression against a "brother country".

Mubarak was speaking at a press conference in Cairo with visiting German
Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.

For his part, Schroeder said the attack "cannot be accepted". The German
Chancellor said regional peace efforts "become more complicated when...the
sovereignty of a country is violated".

Gaza attack

The Israeli army said the attack was in response to Saturday's blast  in the
northern Israeli city of Haifa that killed about 19 people. The Islamic
Jihad claimed responsibility for the blast.

In the occupied Gaza Strip, Israel launched two helicopter attacks on the
homes of resistance fighters.

Helicopter gunships fired several missiles at al-Buraij refugee camp,
shortly after 1am local time (23:00 GMT) on Sunday.

Witnesses said the target was the house of an Islamic Jihad activist, which
was empty at the time. Israeli public radio said the target was an arms and
explosives dump.

The attack came shortly after a similar strike on the Gaza City home of
another resistance fighter, which left several people injured by flying
glass.

Palestinian security sources identified him as Munthir Qanita, a member of
the armed wing of the Islamist resistance group Hamas. His home was also
reportedly empty at the time of the attack.

Haifa blast

The two Israeli missile attacks were an apparent reprisal for a bombing in
Haifa in which a Palestinian woman from the occupied West Bank town of Jenin
blew herself up and killed 19 others in a restaurant in the northern Israeli
city.

Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack which followed
continuing Israeli raids and killings in the Palestinian territories.

Israeli forces demolished the home of the bomber, Hanadi Jaradat, in the
occupied West Bank city of Jenin during a dawn invasion.

Activists from the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) tried to prevent
occupation troops from destroying the house and were beaten by Israeli
forces, reported our correspondent in Jenin.

Dozens of tanks stormed the city, as Israeli slapped a curfew on the
population.

Fears for Arafat

Arafat's fate unclear after Haifa
bombing and Israeli threats

Following the Haifa blast, Israel said the clock is ticking for Palestinian
President Yasir Arafat.

An Israeli warplane was seen hovering over Arafat's Ram Allah compound in
the occupied West Bank.

About 30 foreign and Israeli peace activists joined others at his
headquarters in the West Bank town of Ram Allah to act as human shields.

The Israeli human shields reportedly include at least one former member of
the Israeli parliament.

Clashes broke out in Ram Allah on Saturday night as deployed Israeli troops
were confronted by stone-throwing Palestinian residents.

The Haifa bombing has renewed calls for Israel to carry out its decision to
kill or remove Arafat.


author: Xathos

subject: Re: Syria responds: Another Zionist crime!

text:
So attacking one of the biggest supporters of terrorism is a crime is
it?.............LOL-I think not.
"paredon" <[email]> wrote in message
news:o%2gb.27638$[email]...
Syria's
Hamas
early
a
group's
take
official
(PFLP-GC).
message
that
power.
the
which
and
Jenin
Israeli
prevent
Palestinian
troops
to


text:
"Xathos" <[email]> wrote in message
news:blrjgi$5fh$[email]...

I CANNOT THINK OF A BIGGER TERRORIST THAN THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS!

a
on
Damascus.
an
housed
chaos
camp"
(PFLP).
what
to
when...the
the
of
in
in
of


author: David T

text:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:26:10 +0000 (UTC), "Xathos"
<[email]> wrote:

Not only that, but a country that declared war on Israel 55 years ago
and is still waging that war is upset that Israel retaliated? It'd be
extremely funny if it wasn't so sad.


author: Ed

text:
"paredon" <[email]> wrote in message
news:z6dgb.62$[email]...

And I cannot think of a bigger total loser and idiot than Paredon, aka
Strider, Amigocabal, Lupin88, and the list is endless.

in
but
to
attacks,
Palestinian
attacks,
German
German
in
Islamic
arms
of
flying
member
also
bombing
the
shields.
member
decision


author: amigocabal

text:
"David T" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

wHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT WE SHOULD KEEP BOMBING GERMANY AND JAPAN
in a
on
Damascus.
an
housed
chaos
camp"
(PFLP).
what
attacks,
to
attacks,
German
German
when...the
in
the
of
also
in
the
in
shields.
of
decision


author: Tilly

text:
amigocabal wrote:

Are you blind?
Where did he say that?

BTW Germany and Japan surrendered and have shown no aggression since.
Perhaps it might be wise for the Palestinians to do the same.

Tilly

[email]


author: The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe

text:
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:33:02 +1300, "Tilly" <[email]>
wrote:

It might be wiser for 'Israel' to do the same.  While it still can.


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:IBpgb.170273$[email]...

THAT WILL BE THE DAY! AND THE DAY WILL BE WHEN ZIONISTS LEAVE PALESTINE FOR
THE GREENER PASTURES ELSEWHERE!


author: The Unknown Poster

text:
"paredon" <[email]> wrote in message
news:7Vpgb.1310$[email]...
:
: "Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
: news:IBpgb.170273$[email]...
: > BTW Germany and Japan surrendered and have shown no aggression since.
: > Perhaps it might be wise for the Palestinians to do the same.
:
: THAT WILL BE THE DAY! AND THE DAY WILL BE WHEN ZIONISTS LEAVE PALESTINE
FOR
: THE GREENER PASTURES ELSEWHERE!
:
We now have a Chevra Kedusha here in town. Can paredon please come over so
we can practice?


text:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 02:53:55 GMT, "paredon"
<[email]> wrote:

The "Palestinians" moved here because Jews were making greener
pastures. I think we'll stay and enjoy ours.

BTW: Learn how ot use the caps lock key. Your posts are all either
completely upper case or completely lower. Yet more evidence that
you're generally an idiot and not just an idiot about Israel and Jews.


text:
And the so-called Palestinians can return to their proper homeland-Jordan :)
"paredon" <[email]> wrote in message
news:7Vpgb.1310$[email]...
FOR


text:
" > >THAT WILL BE THE DAY! AND THE DAY WILL BE WHEN ZIONISTS LEAVE PALESTINE
FOR

Anybody can make "greener pastures with trillions of US taxpayer's money!
Try to do without it!


text:
"Xathos" <[email]> wrote in message
news:blunqm$m9c$[email]...
:)

WHAT  ABOUT THE  BOLSHEVIKS? WHAT WILL YOU  DO    WITH THEM?


text:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 02:39:43 GMT, "paredon"
<[email]> wrote:

We have. It started long before US government dollars were involved.
Please find an education and study the Zionist movement.


author: mjcanader

subject: Canader-the #1 country ever and ever...EH????

text:
Remeber when the UN came out and said that Canader was the greatest
country in the world in whcih to live?

its like the beer commercial

I love Canader

Mike


author: Helmet

subject: Re: Canader-the #1 country ever and ever...EH????

text:
"mjcanader" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

You must, dummard. You keep posting in newsgroups dedicated to its
professional sports teams.

helmet


author: George Perry

text:
"Helmet" <[email]> wrote in message
news:hHno8.43005$[email]...

Canader is a US colony devoid of any hint of professionalism.


author: Heinrich

subject: France burned algerians in ovens


author: Warhol

subject: Re: France burned algerians in ovens

text:
On Dec 23, 5:37 pm, "Heinrich" <[email]> wrote:

Pot calling the kettle black...

A video describing the atrocities in the concentration camps set up by
the French in Algeria during the colonial occupation which France
never admitted they existed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGLrdjkcLdM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC0HXSjtHkU

Turks & Frogs really stink...

http://sidoxia.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/pot-kettle-black.jpg


author: The Revd

subject: Re: France burned algerians in ovens

text:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:37:31 +0100, "Heinrich"
<[email]> wrote:

Ah, that will focus the attention of every jew towelhead here -

BURNED IN OVENS!

LOL!


subject: Re: France burned algerians in ovens

text:
"Warhol"  schreef in bericht
news:[email]...

On Dec 23, 5:37 pm, "Heinrich" <[email]> wrote:

Pot calling the kettle black...

A video describing the atrocities in the concentration camps set up by
the French in Algeria during the colonial occupation which France
never admitted they existed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGLrdjkcLdM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC0HXSjtHkU

Turks & Frogs really stink...

http://sidoxia.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/pot-kettle-black.jpg

FUCK FRANCE


author: NEMO

subject: Re: France burned algerians in ovens

text:
" Turks & Frogs really stink..."

Nothing stinks more than a baked Algerian except a Moroccan's
arsehole!


subject: Re: France burned algerians in ovens

text:
On Dec 23, 6:07 pm, "Heinrich" <[email]> wrote:

Looks like north Africans are going to be used again by the evil
powers that be for their own agenda... It's always the same. Big evil
powers use smaller nations as their toys for something more
sinister...

I don't agree with this frog Bill neither because it's restricting
truth... Free speech and debate should be allowed and the truth should
be examined by all interested people on the subjects.

Truth doesn't need laws... truth is solid stuff... Truth is like a
Flamenco dance... you can't cheat it...

The Flemish/Flamenco Dance called wrongly Spanish dance or gypsy...
truth is always solid as rock and even when Spainjards shall stand on
their heads, but facts will remain facts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5HHGRjcFeA

Many of the details of the development of flamenco are lost in Spanish
history... but truth remains... One commonly accepted version
translates flamenco as Spanish for the Flemish soldiers of the Spanish-
Belgian pacified Territories. These soldiers were renowned for their
self-confidence, style and ostentatious pride... Maybe Spain must
install laws now to defend the flamenco lies...

I don't Like it Turks mentioning the Auschwitz of Algeria... since
they too stink very much... and the frogs stink more... see what they
have done to German people after second world war... another truth
that is censured...  13.8 millions cowardly murdered between
1945-50... And did Americans G.I. rape German girls, is also a
question to investigate....

And shall we start to talk about the inquisitions??? oeps the Vatican
and Spain wouldn't like that neither... So let us install laws that
forbids all truth, and those found with truth must be hanged for what
they know.

It's one thing to recognize the criminal act which is correct and
right thing to do but to criminalize the debate or denial is wrong.

I smell the Talmudic hand at this...

Business as usual at the NWO headquarters, specifically in the Divide
and Conquer Department.


subject: Re: France burned algerians in ovens

text:
"The Revd"  schreef in bericht
news:[email]...

On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:37:31 +0100, "Heinrich"
<[email]> wrote:

Ah, that will focus the attention of every jew towelhead here -

BURNED IN OVENS!

LOL!

his excellency monsieur Bernard will be disappointed when he reads this


subject: Re: France burned algerians in ovens

text:
On Dec 23, 6:28 pm, "Heinrich" <[email]> wrote:

How is it with him... Long time I did read something from our frog
Bernard... And the juice whore Tilly, did she already die?


author: The Peeler

subject: Re: Having Endless Fun with our Resident Psychopath, "The Rectum"! LOL

text:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:18:57 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:

It's true, the Jews control you and your entire abnormal "life"! Is there
ONE minute in your "life" when you don't think of them, you hilarious
abnormal psychopathic swine? LOL

--
The top 5 truths about our resident psychopath, The Rectum:

the desperate psycho can't SLEEP anymore,
he can't get out of the house anymore,
he got NOBODY to talk to anymore,
he can't FUCK anymore,
he got no life outside Usenet AT ALL!


author: CUNTICA

subject:
Re: Having Endless Fun with Dumb Heini and our Resident Psychopath,
 "The Rectum"! LOL

text:
The Peeler, if Heinrich gets anymore lame, he'll be as pitiful as The
Rectum!

By the way, ask Heinrich what became of his friend Btov, the herring
king?

(Tilly the twat was a trannie!)


subject: Re: France burned algerians in ovens

text:
On Dec 23, 6:39 pm, "Heinrich" <[email]> wrote:

hah... good...


subject: Re: Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini's Stupidity on Display! <G>

text:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:07:40 +0100, Dumb Heini, the Dutch resident Nazi
troll of sci and scj, wrote:

Who? You? BUAHAHAHAHAAAAAA....!!!

Go fuck your goldfish, you ridiculous Dutch Nazi bastard! LOL

--
Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini's mysterious "intellect" at work:
"is your direct when standing to attention as hard as krupp steel?" MID:
<4d91fca3$0$29602$[email]>


subject: Re: France burned algerians in ovens

text:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:20:11 -0800 (PST), NEMO
<[email]> wrote:

And both of those smell like perfume compared to a jew wog's breath!


subject: Re: Having Endless Fun with Dumb Heini and our Resident Psychopath, "The Rectum"! LOL

text:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:28:31 +0100, Dumb Heini, the Dutch resident Nazi
troll of sci and scj, wrote:

The Rectum never will be disappointed as long as you keep pushing your thick
swollen Dutch Nazi head up his ass, Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini!

BTW, shouldn't you two enamoured Nazi fags see each other in real life
already? I say, go for it! Give it a try, you two hilarious abnormal
psychos! <VBG>

--
Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini, our resident idiot: "or hi for insperation for his
serm sermons"
MID: <4dbf9476$0$8410$[email]>


subject: Re: France burned algerians in ovens

text:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:28:31 +0100, "Heinrich"
<[email]> wrote:

Maybe not.  The Algerians are ragheads just like the jews.  They
probably deserved it.


subject: Re: France burned algerians in ovens

text:
"Warhol"  schreef in bericht
news:[email]...

On Dec 23, 6:28 pm, "Heinrich" <[email]> wrote:

How is it with him... Long time I did read something from our frog
Bernard... And the juice whore Tilly, did she already die?

tilly is probably on another world tour for her boss and monsieur bernard is
too busy with his french personal assistant


text:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:53:21 -0800 (PST), CUNTICA wrote:

Agreed! Every time you think he can't get any dumber, he comes along and
proves that he still can! LOL


subject: Re: Having Endless Fun with our Stinking Colostomy Bag Wearing Resident Psychopath, "The Rectum"! LOL

text:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:33:09 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:

The stench you are smelling is the stench permanently emanating from your
colostomy bag, The Rectum! No wonder, you no more dare to walk out of the
house! LOL

--
The top 5 truths about our resident psychopath, The Rectum:

the desperate psycho can't SLEEP anymore,
he can't get out of the house anymore,
he got NOBODY to talk to anymore,
he can't FUCK anymore,
he got no life outside Usenet AT ALL!


text:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:32:00 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:

Better a raghead than a housebound loser with a colostomy bag! LOL

--
Retarded, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident psychopath, The
Retard (aka "The Rectum").


subject: Re: Poor Dumb Nazi Heini's Idiocy on Display!

text:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:39:01 +0100, Dumb Heini, the Dutch resident Nazi
troll of sci and scj, wrote:

And you are still the same hilariously stupid primitive loser from Holland
that you always were, innit, Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini? <BG>

--
Dumb Dutch Nazi Heini's mysterious "intellect" at work:
"is your direct when standing to attention as hard as krupp steel?" MID:
<4d91fca3$0$29602$[email]>


author: Grand Sen~or

subject: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
Gunde %3 artis gosteriyor
SARS'a yakalananlarda %10 Oluyor
SARS'a yakalananlarin %20'isi iyilesiyor

bu demektir ki bugun 3000 olan SARS'li sayisi 4 ay sonunda 100 000'e
ulasacak, bunlardan 10 000 olecek 20 000'ini kefeni siyiracak...
8 ay sonraysa SARS'li sayisi 3 milyona ulasacak olenlerin sayisi da
300 000'e.

Hastalik bu suratle yayilirsa 1 yil sonra SARS'li sayisi 100 Milyona
ulsacak, olenlerin sayisi da 10 Milyonu bulacak.

1 yil 4 ay sonra ise SARS'li sayisi 3.5 MILYAR'a ulacak, olenlerin
sayisi da 350 Milyon olacak.

Yani bu virusun insanlari yeryuzunden silip supurmesi icin 5 yil yeter
de artar bile. Bu istatistiklere gore durum acikli bir manzara arz
etmektedir, ola ki silah tuccarlari aklede...demek ki eline minnacik
bir virus geciren bunlarin islerine son verebilir;->>


author: "my"

subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
Bu labor. kackini (?) virusden boyle bir netice cikarmak icin bayaa bi manti
yemis olmak lazim, deel mi lan muselman hakki..?

Bunlar boyledir, havayla calisan motor, miknatisla calisan bisiklet gibi
fizik disi bos islerin pesinde dolanirken gelecekleri yerin viruslu toplu
intihar olacagi belliydi zaten..

En cok da tavuk yetistirmekden hoslanirlar,
neden acaba..?

muhahahaha..

"Grand Sen~or" <[email]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[email]...


subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
[email] (Grand Sen~or) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Bakin bu istatistiklere gore 23 Nisan'daki SARS'a yakalananlarin
sayisi 4277 olacakti, halbu ki bugunku SARS'a yakalanalar sayisi 4288.
Hem de bu sayi ABD'nin 250 kisilik SARS'li sayisini silip yenibastan
saymaya baslamasina ragmen boyle. Bu SARS'a yakalananlarin sayisisnin
4 ay sonra 100 000'e 1 yil 4 ay sonra ise 3.5 milyara ulasabilecegine
isaret ediyor istatistiki olarak.
Siz de hesaplayin siz de gorun.

Kanada istatistiklerine gore olum orani hala %10. Pek guvenilir
olmayan Dunya istatistiklerine goreyse oran %5.85. Boyle bir oran
korunursa 1 yil 4 ay sonra SARS'dan oleceklerin sayisi 204 750 000
olacak. Yani Turliye gibi uc ulkenin nufusu yeryuzunden silinecek.


subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
[email] (Grand Sen~or) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Gelin tekrar hesapliyalim, 11 Nisan'daki istatistiklere gore 29
Nisan'da durum ne olacakti: 5107 WHO'ya gore 29 Nisan'daki gercek
rakam ne 5462 hic de kotu bir tahminde bulunmamisiz demek ki...durum
bizim tahminimizden daha kotu cikti ve SARS'li sayisi tahminimizin %7
fazlasi cikti. Bu demektir ki gunluk %3 artis oranini duzeltmemiz bu
orani arttirmamiz gerekiyor.
Kanadaya gore olum oraninin %10 oldugunu soylemistik, bu oranda da
buyuk artis ortaya cikti. 29 Nisan'da Kanada istatistiklerine gore
olum orani 20/146 yani
%13.69 bu cok buyuk bir artistir. WHO'ya gore Dunya genelinde bu oran
%6.5 kadar, fakat Cin'den gelen rakamlara guveniyorsaniz. Ne yazik ki
WHO bu istatistiki gercekleri 3 ay sonra durum ne olabilir, 6 ay sonra
ne olabilir seklinde projekte edecegine Vietnam'da SARS durdurulmustur
diye bayram yapiyor, Toranto'yu tehlikeli sehir olmaktan azad ediyor,
halki uyutuyor. Onlarin soylemeye cesaret edemedigini ben size
yukaridaki duzeltilmis oranlara gore yine soyliyeyim de hazirlikli
olun:
1 ay sonra SARS'li sayisi  14052 olacak SARS'dan olenlerin sayisi 913
3 ay sonra SARS'li sayisi  93000 olacak SARS'dan olenlerin sayisi 6045
6 ay sonra SARS'li sayisi 1583766 olacak SARS'dan olenlerin sayisi
102944 olacak.
1 yil sonra ne olacak siz hesaplayin.

Bu gidisle Kardeslerim ancak bir mucize bu salginin onune gecebilir.

Bana inanmayan su adrese ugrasin:
http://www.who.int/csr/sarscountry/2003_04_29/en/


subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
"my" <my_huni@hunici: anten_erolun-panzehiri> wrote in message news:<3e96beb9$0$1050$[email]>...

ben derim ki sen basit hesap bile bilmiyorsun, onun icin aglanacak
haline guluyorsun..

11 Nisan'daki istatistiklere gore SARS'a yakalananlar bir gun oncesine
gore benim asagida yazdigim gibi %3 bir artis gostermedi, fakat %3.66
bir artis gosterdi. Ben bu rakkamlari WHO'dan aldim sonra PC'deki
hesap makinesine 3000*1.03 yazip her gun icin "Enter" tusuna usenmeden
bir defa bastim ve asagidaki sonuclara ulastim. Sen de usenmeden
hesapla sen de gor. Inanilir gibi degil, degil mi?

Bak iste rakkamlar soyle:

From: 1 Nov 20022 To: 11 Apr 2003,18:00 GMT+2

Country  Cumulative number of case(s)  Number of new cases since last
WHO update  Final Status
 Local chain(s) of transmission 3

Number of deaths  Number recovered
Brazil   2 0 0  0 None

Canada   98 1 10 25  Yes
China   1309 19 58  1037  Yes
China, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region 4   1059 61 32  169
Yes
China, Taiwan  21  2 0  6  Yes
France   5  1 0  0  None
Germany   6  0 0  4  None
Italy   3  0 0 2  None
Japan 4 4 0 0 None
Kuwait  1  0 0  0  None
Malaysia   4  1 1  0  None
Republic of Ireland   1  0 0  1  None
Romania   1  0 0  not available  None
Singapore   133 7 9  77  Yes
South Africa 1 1 0 0 None
Spain   1  0 0  0  None
Switzerland   1  0 0  1  None
Thailand   7  0 2  5  None
United Kingdom   5  0 0  3  None
United States   166 12 0  not available  None
Viet Nam   62  0 4  43  Yes
Total  2890  109  116  1373

WHO web sitesinden, Dunya SARS Istatistikleri.


subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
"my" <my_huni@hunici: anten_erolun-panzehiri> wrote in message news:<3e96beb9$0

bu oran dunku istatistiklere gore degistir simdi %3.66
buradaki %.66 artis cok buyuk bir artistir, cunku bu SARS'in yayilma
oraninda bir gunde %22 bir artis oldugunu gosterir. Bu da asagida
verdigim hesaplarda buyuk degisiklige neden olur. Isterseniz burasini
siz hesaplayin gorun.
Yani hesap makinenize 3000*1.0366 yazip her gun icin "Esit" tusune
basin 365 defa bastiginizda karsiniza cikacak rakam bir yil sonra
SARS'li sayisini gosterecektir. (Tabii burada diger sartlarin sabit
oldugunu farzediyoruz).
Bakin ben yine usenmeden bunu 4 ay icin hesapladim asagidaki 100 000
SARS'li yerine simdi SARS'li sayisi 224 000'e cikti...
siz isterseniz hala gulmeye devam edin...
3000*1.0366 esit tusuna 120 defa bas!
6 ay sonra ise SARS'li sayisi edecek 1 936 000
8 ay sonra ise 17 345 000 asagidaki 3 milyorn yerine 17 milyon,
dusunun bir!

olum oranini %10 olarak almamin nedeni Kanada istatistigini diger
ulkelerin politik art dusunceli istatistiklerinden daha guvenilir
buldugum icindir. Kanadada 98 SARS'lidan 10'u olmus bulunuyor. Aslinda
bu olum oranini %10.2 yapar fakat ben yuvarlak olarak %10 aldim.


subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
[email] (Grand Sen~or) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Ilk SARS olayi YZ'e sali gunu gorulmus...persembe gunu basina
sizdi...kac kisinin karantinaya alindigi da bildirilmedi...WHO'ya da
durum henuz aciklanmadi. Dusunun bir YZ gibi bir ulkede bile bu gibi
olaylar hasiralti edilmeye calisilirken diger ulkelerde neler oluyor
olabilecegini;-<
Bugunku istatistikler soyle:
SARS'a yakalananlar orani gunde %3.5 genel olum orani %6 Kanada olum
orani %10+
Yni 20 gun oncesine gore oranlarda artis var. 20 gun once yaptigimiz
tahminler de aynen cikmis bulunuyor. Buna gore yapilan 1 yillik
tahminlerin de dogru cikmamasi icin ortada bir neden yok henuz.
Oteyandan ABD halki sasirtmak icin SARS'li sayisini silbastan vermeye
basladi. Orada kac kisinin bundan oldugu de bir Devlet Sirri olarak
saklaniyor.

bakin bu oran %3 den %3.5 yukseldi...

bu oran hala Kanada'da korunuyor hatta fazlasiyla..


author: my

subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
"Grand Sen~or" <[email]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[email]...
news:<[email]>...

yaw sen niye takdin sars'a bu kadar..?

nas'olsa bir gun hakki'nin  :-) rahmetine kavusmayacak miyiz..? kih kih..

cehennet ve cennem arasinda bir ara parselde sikisip kalacagini mi
saniyorsun yoksa..?

yok canim, sana cehennetde en guzel yerler/seyler/huriler var, hatta senin
yerine olsam -arapallahi gecinden versin ya- hemen simdi, kosa kosa giderdim
oraya.. esheduennaaaailaheillallaaaaah_wa_eshedu.... :-)

intihar et demiyorum tabii, tobe tobe, seytan kulagina kursun.. :-)


subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
[email] (Grand Sen~or) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

2 Mayis:
Tayvan'da SARS'dan olum orani %11
Kanada'da SARS'dan olum orani %14.7
Cin'de SARS'danolum orani %4.7
Singapur'da SARS'dan olum orani %12.3
Honkong'da SARS'dan olum orani %10.5
Dunya'da SARS'dan olum orani %6.888
Dunyada guluk SARS artis orani %3.54


author: Esas Bir Lira

subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
Hocam bir yil dort ay sonra SARSli sayisi uc bucuk milyar olenlerin ise
ucyuzelli milyon oldugunu neye gore soyluyorsun? O yuzde onluk oran da
nedir? Her SARSlidan yuzden onu mu oluyor? Bu istatistikler guvenilmez.
Aynen diger tum istatistiklerin oldugu gibi.

Saygilarimla.

"Grand Sen~or" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
news:<[email]>...
news:<[email]>...


subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
bu oran bugun %4.517 yani orandaki yukselme dune gore %22.51
dunku rakam esas olarak alinirsa oran %4.74'e yukselmis oluyor

Kanada istatistiklerine gore bu oran hala korunuyor...
Dunya genelinde olum orani ise su anda WHO'ya aciklanan rakamlara gore %5.893.


subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
"my" <[email]_erolun-panzehiri> wrote in message news:<3eafaf88$0$1034$[email]>...

cunku cok ilginc bir konu, medya'nin gercekleri uyutturup saptirmasi
bakimindan ornek bir olay...

herkes Allah'a donecek, sadece ben degil.

kimin nerede takilip kalacagina Allah karar verir, papazlar degil!

Allah sana iman nasip etsin derim.

Hiristiyanlar ve Yahudiler der ki "Hiristiyan ya da Yahudi olmayan
Cennete giremiyecek"
Halbuki Allah herkesin sorgulanacagini yaptiklaraina ve yapmadiklarina
gore yargilandiktan sonra haklarinda karara verilecegini soyluyor. Gel
sen Allah'in dedigine kulak ver, onlarin dedeigine degil.


subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
9 Mayis
WHO SARS'dan olum oranini %14'e cikardi. Gordugunuz gibi bu oran
Kanada istatistiklerine gore duzeltilmis bulunuyor.
Dunya gunluk SARS'li artis oraninda bir dudus oldu bu oran su anda %2
fakat Cin'den hala gercek istatistikler gelmiyor. Cin'de gunluk
SARS'li artis orani %2.5. Yine son bir haftalik ortalama gunluk artis
%2.66 oldu. Bu demektir ki 7 gun oncesi artis oranina gore yapilacak
tahmine gore bugunku SARS'li sayisi 7723 olacakken bugunku WHO'ya
rapor edilen gercek rakam 7183 oldu. Bugunku SARS'dan olu sayisi 514
yani oran %7.15.
%2 artis oranina gore 3 ay sonra SARS'li sayisi 42 689
6 ay sonra ise 253 709 kisi olacak bugunku gercek olum oranina gore 18
140 kisi olecek. WHO olum oranina gore ise olu sayisi 35 519 olacak.

Ancak son bir haftalik artis orani esas alinarak hesaplandiginda
3 ay sonra SARS'li sayisi (rapor edilmis olacak SARS'li sayisi) 66 290
6 ay sonra ise 582 309 olacak
6 ay sonra bugunku orana gore olu sayisi 41 635 WHO oranina gore olu
sayisi ise 81 523 olacak.


subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
Esas Bir Lira <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

istersen sen de eline bir trigonometri cetveli al, ya da basit bir
hesap makinesi, PC'deki calculator'un da bu isi gorebilir...soyle yap
bugunku SARS'li sayisi ne? 4000 (yuvarlak hesap), yarin ne olacak ?
1.035*4000,
oburgun ne olacak 1.035*1.035*4000 .....
calculator'une 4000*1.035 gir ve de
usenme esittir dugmesine her gu icin bir defa bas 365+120= 485 defa
bastiginda ne goreceksin bana da soyle...
sonra ufak bir degisiklikle 4000 yerine 4288 (bugunku SARS'a
yakalananlar sayisini kaydet yine bastir esit dugmesine 485 defa, ya
da trigonometri cetveline bak, isin daha kolay olur. Ve yine bana
soyle ne bulacaksin.

WHO'ya gecen Kanada istatistiklerine gore oyle 140 kisi yakalandi 15'i
oldu...
fazla guvenilir olmayan Dunya Genel istatistigine goreyse bu sayi %6-7
civarinda degismekte, Cinin soyledigi yalanlara gore bu duzeltilirse
olum oraninin %10 olduguna guvenilebilir...birak olen sayisini bir
yana 3.5 milyar insanin bu hastaliga yakalandiginda nerede nasil
tedavi edilecegini dusun, olayin korkunclugu daha belirgin birsekilde
ortaya cikar...unutma SARS'li hastalarin bakiminda oksijen cadiri ve
serum ve hastabakici, yatak ve karantina gerekli...Pekin'de
hastanelerin karantinaya alinmaya basladigini, hatta halkin butun
Pekin sehrinin karantinaya alinmasindan korkup diger sehirlere goc
etmeye basladigini duymuyor musunuz? Dusunun bir 13 milyonluk bir
sehir karantinada olabilir?! Bu korkunc degilse ne korkunc?

her istatistkte bir hata payi vardir, ayrica bu sayilar bugunku
verilere gore boyle. Onun icindir ki bu ilmegi acik tutup, zaman,
zaman yeniliyoruz. sen daha guvenilir istatistikler bulursan sen de
yenileyebilirsin. Ben bu rakamlari WHO, CDC ve Kanada Saglik Bakanligi
sitelerinden aliyorum, genel politik cerceveyi de gozleyip bunlarda
bazi duzeltmeler yaparak buraya geciyorum. Nerede nicin duzeltme
yaptgimi da belirtiyorum.
Istatistiklere guvenilmez de tevature mi guvenilir? Hic sanmam. Mesela
arabani sigorta yaptirdiginda istatistiklere gore sigorta
yaptiriyorsundur, dilesen de, dilemesen de...yine hava durumu
dinlediginde istatistiklere gore durum dnliyorsun...aspirin ictiginde
de istatistiklere guvenerek aspirin iciyorsun...hatta oyle ki QM bile
istatistikle mumkun...


subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
[email] (Grand Sen~or) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Bakin bugun SARS'dan olum oraninin %10 oldugunu itiraf ettiler:->
AFP News:
""If one looks carefully at the WHO figures on mortality and recovery
rates, it is running, unfortunately, at 10 percent," Professor Roy
Anderson of Imperial College in London told BBC radio."


author: choro-nik

subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text: sen de kafayi yedin, grand! SARS'dan baska mevzu kalmadi mi yaw?


subject: Re: Son Istatistiklere gore SARS

text:
"choro-nik" <[email]> wrote in message news:<RGWua.12$[email]>...

hehe ben kafayi henuz yemedim, amman dikket et sen cigerini SARS'a kaptirma..


author: The Highlander

text:
Saddam Hussein hanged, says Al Hurra TV station Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:16
PM ET

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S.-backed Iraqi television station Al Hurra said
Saddam Hussein had been executed by hanging shortly before 6 a.m.
(0300 GMT) on Saturday.

Reuters.

The Highlander

Faodaidh nach ionann na beachdan anns
an post seo agus beachdan a' Ghï¿½idheil.
The views expressed in this post are
not necessarily those of The Highlander.


author: Bryn

subject: Re: Saddam Hussein hanged, says Al Hurra TV station

text:
In message <4595ec63$0$18687$[email]>, Tam Heid the
Baw- goal! <[email]> writes

He wants a copy so he go "Bang! Bang!" at the TV, waving Saddam's
revolver!

A doctor present, I wonder why? Hanged men are frequently dead. An
absence of breathing is a clue!

Goodness, I bet the body was taken away in a vehicle marked "Ambulance".

Just another disgusting episode in a disgusting affair!


author: Glenallan

text:
"The Highlander" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
: Saddam Hussein hanged, says Al Hurra TV station Fri Dec 29, 2006
10:16
: PM ET
:
: BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S.-backed Iraqi television station Al Hurra
said
: Saddam Hussein had been executed by hanging shortly before 6 a.m.
: (0300 GMT) on Saturday.
: Reuters.
: The Highlander

I haven't quite unpacked what I think about this news.
I suspect that most people haven't.  I wll probably need
someone to 'comment' so that I may disagree or agree.
In 36 hours I know that I will have been told to say
what I am supposed to think.>>>>>For Sure.
I will have been brainwashed into moral agreement.   ;-)

Glenallan
---------
(maybe not)


author: Adam Whyte-Settlar

text:
"Bryn" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Of course- there always is.
It's to ensure the victim is healthy enough to die.
You wouldn't execute a man who was feeling poorly now surely?

You can buy the video.
I'm not kidding.
I can't remember the URL right now but if anyone is interested I'll look it
up.
It was quite reasonable IIRC - I think it converted to about 4:50GBP
including delivery.

It is regretable that the UK was involved in such a shameful affair.
I shan't shed any tears for that revolting specimen but he should have got a
proper trial - not because he deserved it but because his victims deserved
it.
As 'Highlander' pointed out; that kangaroo 'court' in a US army base drags
us down to the level of the USA - despite our shallow and laughable attempts
to portray it as a purely Iraqi affair.

A W-S


text:
On 30 Dec 2006 05:46:34 -0800, "Kope" <[email]> wrote:

There's no point. Islam didn't save Saddam.

The Highlander

Faodaidh nach ionann na beachdan anns
an post seo agus beachdan a' Ghï¿½idheil.
The views expressed in this post are
not necessarily those of The Highlander.


author: Tam Heid the Baw- goal!

text:
"Kope" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Fuck off!!If it wasn't for you guys (+ your Christian buddies)  and your
religious shite the world would be a better place!


text:
"Glenallan" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Look at this from the BBC

 Mariam al-Rayes, an ally of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, told the TV
station that the execution "was filmed and God willing it will be shown.
There was one camera present, and a doctor was also present".

Filmed? Bloody hell, was there a need for that. How sick can you get. I
smell Bush behind this...

Tam


author: Turlough

text:
Adam Whyte-Settlar wrote:

There was no kangaroo court. Your distaste for the US and western
civilization in general, causes you to tell tall tales. He was tried on
the army base for reasons of security. Even then, there were 2 defense
lawyers murdered during the trial. This dictator had a 23 member defence
team, which included a former US Attorney General. The Int'l Red Cross
visited him numerous times while the US was holding him. He was treated
for prostrate, eye and other maladies by our own doctors. He was
certainly treated better by his captors than he had ever treated his own
victims. What more did you want us to do for that poor, misunderstood
fellow?

His trial and execution was an Iraqi affair, all right, and now they're
dancing in the streets. Good for them...

                               Turlough


text:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:07:11 +1000, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"
<[email]> wrote:

I don't remember pointing it out in that context.

I also think that you're wallowing in political correctness.

This man was the Middle East equivalent of Adolf Hitler. He was
responsible for the deaths of untold millions - his insane war against
Iran alone cost over a million lives.

Why was the execution filmed? Because there will be thousands of
Sunnis who will claim that his execution was faked using one of the
eight look-alikes he used for his own protection when he thought there
might be a chance of personal danger.

Filming the execution will hopefully help dispel some people's hope
that he is still alive somewhere and may come back some day to start
the whole sick dictatorship over again.

If you remember back that far, there were millions of Europeans who
believed that Adolf Hitler escaped the Berlin bunker and was alive and
well.

Indeed, the "Hitler is still alive and living in Argentina stories
were only ended by the 100th anniversary of his birth, when even the
more rabid idiots conceded that it was unlikely that he was still
alive.

Yet movies like the Boys from Berlin were made, claiming that he had
been cloned and that hundreds of little boys just like him were being
groomed to grow up into latter day Hitlers.

The idea that someone's hero is still alive is a powerful hope, but
the saner Iraqis want an end to the sectarian war and the impudent
claim by al-Qaeda that Iraq is now an Islamic state by their order.

What;'s the matter with you people - brains switched off in readiness
for Hogmanay?

As for hanging the man - is there anything more sick than the fact
that thousands of people are dying of hunger and persecution in
Darfur, something you can actually help stop.

Yet how many of you have contributed a penny to help those men, women
and children survive? Their only crime is their existence. And of
course for certain people, the fact that they're black.

Get a grip for Christ's sake! This is scs, not alt.wittering. If you
want to do do something to halt executions, stop driving drunk.

You're like a pack of mindless children! If your family had been
murdered by Saddam, would you be wandering around clutching a tulip
and dribbling on about forgiveness?

Just be grateful that there are still people around whose brains
haven't turned into jelly. I'd have hanged the rotten bastard myself
if it would help prevent an Iraqi civil war. I notice that every one
of you talks lovingly of hanging George Bush, yet what crimes has he
committed that get anywhere close to those of Saddam Hussein; may he
burn in Hell!

Get a life!

The Highlander

Faodaidh nach ionann na beachdan anns
an post seo agus beachdan a' Ghï¿½idheil.
The views expressed in this post are
not necessarily those of The Highlander.


author: Jackie Mulheron

text:
"The Highlander" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

But  how could you know that?


text:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:29:06 +1300, "Tam Heid the Baw- goal!"
<[email]> wrote:

It was filmed for a serious reason and as for sick, have you read your
Connie post?

The Highlander

Faodaidh nach ionann na beachdan anns
an post seo agus beachdan a' Ghï¿½idheil.
The views expressed in this post are
not necessarily those of The Highlander.


text:
"Turlough" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

So why was Skippy there then?


text:
"Turlough" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

And not a snowflakes chance in hell.
Give it up Turlough - I'm glad the bastards dead - but the 'trial' was a
farce.
Just for one they 'sacked' the judge because he was 'not being tough enough
on Saddam' - there's a mis-trial right there if it was in the UK.
He was a dead man from the moment they found him down that spider-hole, and
the only reason he didn't get a bullet in the head right then was because he
had been aassigned the lead role in Bush's Christmas pantomime that we've
paid so dearly to watch.

Did you read about the PNAC yet by the way - I noticed you suddenly went all
quiet on the subject?
Better ten years late than never you know - it's all about you(s) after all.

A W-S


text:
"The Highlander" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I'm pretty sure it was you - it had that trademark insufferable tone about
it.

[Groan]
Spare me the usual litany of naughty Saddam will you.
Like I said - I'm glad the bastards dead and I would have prefferred he was
fed feet first into a meat grinder like some of his victims.
I said he was a bastard over 20 years ago when he was our 'freind' and US
companies were supplying chemiclas and biological agents.
And I'm still saying it now.
Has everyone got that?!

How nasty Saddam or any other dictator was is NOT the point of justice being
seen to be done.
If you actually read what I said ratherthan what you want me to have said
you will see the line "he should have got a proper trial - not because *he*
deserved it but because his *victims* deserved it".

A W-S

snipped...
another self-indulgent irrelevant rant.


text:
"The Highlander" <[email]> wrote in message

There is no Hell Highlander, it's here on earth  - no heaven too I am afraid
but that's beside the point.
What crimes has Bush committed? Well for starters what was the pretext for
invading Iraq? Oil? WMDs?
Once they falsely invaded a foreign power they not only executed their
leader (none of their business - it's up to the Iraqi people to decide) and
then killed hundreds of thousands of men women and children in the process.
Innocent victims of war maybe? I don't think so. This present conflict may
go on for 30 more years and take millions of lives. So what crime did Bush
commit? Either he is a daft twit or he is a cold blooded murderer - take
your pick.
Countless people in this NG with average IQs (myself included!) predicted
the bloodshed  - so if we could see it a mile off what was wrong with the
leaders of Britain and the US? It worries me because I can make another
prediction for the new year. Israel (read the US) will bomb Iran at some
point next year and then where will be be?

Tam


text:
"The Highlander" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

A person should have some dignity in his final hours. I know his victims
didn't but we are not supposed to behave in the same manner as him now are
we? As for Connie - at least it is fiction, we can laugh - this is for real.

Tam


author: Brian G. Comeaux

subject: Col. Hans von Luck

text:
Is this gentleman still alive?  I just finished reading his memoir, and it
was one of the most fascinating and readable books I've read on the war.


author: Martin Rapier

subject: Re: Col. Hans von Luck

text:
news:[email]...

No. He died on 1st August 1997 aged 86.

Cheers
Martin


author: MMerzzee

subject: Re: Col. Hans von Luck

text:
The last Time that I checked his Aide was still living, but that was about
three years ago or more.


author: JTEM

subject: The Vagina Monologues

text:
Saw Eve Ensler yesterday. What was interesting was
just how few men were in attendence... unless you
counted the dykes who looked like men from the back.


author: Mike McKinley

subject: Re: The Vagina Monologues

text:
"JTEM" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

    You're just bitter cause you can't pass anymore.


subject: Re: The Vagina Monologues

text:
Mike McKinley wrote:

You twirl a mean boa, let me tell you...


subject: Re: If you are gay and you were arrested for public nudity in the park..

text:
Dribble Bendover wrote:

do i have to be gay to be nude in a park


author: Dr. Ernest J. Primeau

text:
"Dribble Bendover" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

7 years. Ernie


author: THE COLONEL

text:
"Dribble Bendover" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

A damn good spanking at least, with, possible, some public humiliation.


author: Captain Easy

subject:
Re: If you are gay and you were arrested for public nudity in the
 park..

text:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:32:09 -0500, Dribble Bendover
<[email]> wrote:

~~~~~~~~
You should expect to take it in the butt.


author: .swordofbaal

text:
"Dribble Bendover" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

A bottle of good champagne, a nice chat.


author: [redacted]

text:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:25:56 -0700, "THE COLONEL"
<[email]> wrote:

So, that's what you're hoping for yourself?
Figures...


author: Bruce Dollep

text:
Captain Easy has brought this to us :
If yer lucky!

--
I'd rather be fishing, Than talking to you,
I'd rather be fishing, than look at your face,
At least the fish, don't get on my case.


text:
[email] of Baal wrote:

tea for the tiller man


text:
"%" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Are there any shemales in prison?  No that's the real question.


text:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:15:05 -0700, "THE COLONEL"
<[email]> wrote:

Well, are there? You know it all, Klink.  Thinking of going back?


text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I can't go back to where I've not been, dreamy eyes.


author: Steve Lacy

subject: LACY HOMEPAGE UPDATE - March, 1996

text:
We have once again completed a monthly update for the LACY FAMILY
HOMEPAGE. Yet to be added for this month, are surname queries. Anyone who
would like to add a query, specifically for LACY or allied surnames, can
do as late as this coming Saturday (3/23/96), by 9 a.m. please.

   Additional photos, links, newsletter articles, heraldry and reference
sites have been included in this update. The BOOKMARK page that has become
so popular, has grown to 451 genealogy links and is in the process of
being updated in order to remove a couple of duplicate links and to add
some additional sites. While there are larger lists around, apparently
this list has several things other lists have not included.

   We are also inthe process of finalizing a e-mail distribution list for
the digital newsletter, the Lacy Letter. Our goal is to have the
newsletter in mailboxes by mid-April. To "subscribe", send the one word
message in the body of the e-mail to <[email]> - no subject
line please. Prior to the list, we are considering the opportunity for
interested pesons to have items placed in the newsletter. If you have
soenthing of interest to add, please comment by the end of March.

   To access the updated material on the homepage, click to the SECOND
LEVEL PAGE, which is the DIRECTORY PAGE. From there, choose from either
the STATEMENT LINKS or the ICON LINKS. Some of the items are labeled as
NEW and these are of course, "updated".

   The homepage URL is:    http://www.polaris.net/~legend

   We welcome all to stop by and browse. If we can assist, feel free to
drop any one of the 3 of us a line. We are listed under the HOMEPAGE
ADVISORS link.

                              With regards, I am

                              Steve Lacy,
                              Publisher & Webmaster.


author: ArKLyte

subject: Fight for Freedom By Senator John McCain

text:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8071-2003Mar21.html

Fight for Freedom

By John McCain
Sunday, March 23, 2003; Page B07

Critics who deem war against Saddam Hussein's regime to be an
unprecedented departure from our proud tradition of American
internationalism disregard our history of meeting threats to our
security with both military force and a commitment to revolutionary
democratic change.

The union of our interests and values requires us to stay true to that
commitment in Iraq. Liberating Iraqis from Hussein's tyranny is
necessary but not sufficient. The true test of our power, and much of
the moral basis for its use, lies not simply in ending dictatorship
but in helping the Iraqi people construct a democratic future.

This is what sets us apart from empire builders: the use of our power
for moral purpose. We seek to liberate, not subjugate.

"Experts" who dismiss hopes for Iraqi democracy as naive and the
campaign to liberate Iraq's people as dangerously destabilizing do not
explain why they believe Iraqis or Arabs are uniquely unsuited for
representative government, and they betray a cultural bigotry that ill
serves our interests and values. The apocalyptic vision of a Middle
East inflamed by American intervention ignores the fact that the
status quo bred al Qaeda and is hardly the basis for long-term
stability.

Our political goal in Iraq is the establishment of democratic
institutions. It will not be easy, but it is surely worth seeking.
American and allied personnel should stay in Iraq as long as necessary
to ensure that Iraq no longer threatens our security and to help
secure its democratic future. But to hasten that accomplishment, we
should turn over as much authority as possible to representative Iraqi
leaders as soon as possible.

Iraqi leaders should represent Iraqi sovereignty, not American
generals or international bureaucrats. Iraqis should decide their
diplomatic representations, how to vote in the United Nations, the
Arab League and OPEC. Empowering a legitimate Iraqi authority will
demonstrate that Americans are liberators, not colonizers. Democratic
development also requires "de-Baathifying" of the regime, to eradicate
all remaining vestiges of the tyranny that Hussein's peerless cruelty
entrenched in Iraqi society.

An Iraqi democracy, however imperfect, could transform the way people
across the Middle East are governed. The liberation of Iraq is already
transforming inter-Arab relations. Many Arab countries are providing
assistance to our military campaign to end the Arab dictatorship in
Iraq, and several of them have made unprecedented calls for regime
change in Baghdad. This may herald the start of a new era in which
positive political forces are not strangled in their infancy by the
burden of pan-Arab fantasies.

The Arab street has been quieter than the European street, because
Arabs know Hussein's regime is monstrous. Some Arab leaders may dread
the demonstration effect of liberated Iraqis, fearing the street might
next rise up not against the United States or Israel but against them.

For decades, autocratic rulers have claimed to speak for all Arabs.
Iraq's liberation will allow new voices to define a modernity within
Arab society far different from the economic and political devastation
accomplished by Baathist national socialism, reactionary Wahhabist
zealotry and implacable hatred of Israel.

A democratic Iraq could hasten liberalization in Persian Gulf states
such as Bahrain, Kuwait and Qatar. Syria, surrounded by liberalizing
regimes in a post-Hussein order, would find itself isolated from
terrorist patrons in Tehran and facing new pressures to reform its own
decaying Baathist minority regime. Democratic revolutionaries in Iran
-- young, sympathetic to the United States and desperate for
liberation from the mullahs -- would be emboldened by seeing democracy
flourishing next door.

Reform of the Palestinian Authority -- finally underway -- can only be
strengthened by the demise of the suicide bombers' paymaster in
Baghdad. Change in Iraq and elsewhere will increase Israel's security,
indispensable to achieving an enduring peace with the Palestinians.
The Iraq campaign will demonstrate to leaders in Tehran and Pyongyang
that repressing their people and developing weapons of mass terror
make their regimes less, not more, secure. Hostile tyrants will
understand that their possession of these weapons imperils their rule
and weakens their security.

To confront the hatred that has devastated Arab progress and
threatened the United States, we should aspire to be respected by Arab
peoples and, in the case of tyrants and terrorists who threaten us,
feared. Helping Iraqis control their own destiny will demonstrate that
our real allies in the Middle East are people who yearn for freedom --
not autocratic governments that sell us cheap oil.

Americans fight and die in Iraq today not for empire, not for oil, not
for a religion, not to shock and awe the world with our astonishing
power. They fight for love -- for love of freedom, our own and all
humanity's. When the guns are silent, their political leaders must
take every care to advance the aspirations that have given their
sacrifice its nobility, and our country its real glory.

The writer is a Republican senator from Arizona.

==============================================================
"Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction
because otherwise .. they might get mad and seek our destruction."
- Ann Coulter 9/26/2002


subject: Re: Fight for Freedom By Senator John McCain

text:
"ArKLyte" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Very well said...and I hope that their calculations that Iraqi people are
ready for Democracy is on target...for the sake of the Men and Women that
are fighting for them and US


author: The Chosen Few

text:
McCain's okay, as congresscritters go.  I'm a bit miffed at him about his
recent vote against ANWR drilling, though.

"ArKLyte" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Phaedrine Stonebridge

text:
In article <Ch8fa.14884$[email]>,
 "The Chosen Few" <[email]> wrote:

Why is that?


text:
"Phaedrine Stonebridge" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
his

Because it would lessen our dependence on foreign oil, and because I don't
believe it would have nearly the impact on the wildlife of the region that
environmentalists allege.


author: Forest Dweller

subject: COPD much better; but, why so weak???

text:
Hi.  I have a hunch somebody here knows a lot more about COPD -- or
something! -- than I do, and can help me figure this out.,

I got hit almost fatally 3 years ago by COPD, was kept in the hospital
for almost 2 weeks, and stayed really sick (oxygen, albuterol,
theophylline, various pocket inhalers) for a year & a half, with the
asthma lurking until I'd fall asleep (sitting up of course) ;-), when it
would cut off my airways.

Friends taught me some exercises, that January, and after a short time
"it" stopped trying to kill me.  By THIS recent January, I no longer
needed (or could tolerate) the oxygen.  Since then, I have needed the
albuterol less and less, maybe twice a month instead of 4 times a day.
I still take the theophylline, and use pocket inhalers whenever there is
stress.  Stress is about all that will set of an asthma episode, and my
life is pretty easy.  I have reasons to feel the emphysema is actually
abating, and recently my cough has become shallower and more "polite".
Few sessions of extended or miserable coughing.

Okay, recently I had to go off my  anti-anxiety medication (clonazepam)
abruptly, when the doctor left town and wasn't available to renew it.
Once off it, there was a return of mental clarity, and the realization
that I was addicted.  We had a pretty unpleasant week -- that was 2
Sundays ago through last Sunday -- but when I realized how stupefied I'd
been, I decided I wouldn't take it any more.  I had all kinds of adverse
events during the withdrawal, and all that's left is the extraordinary
weakness.

I am barely functional.  My breathing is better than it's been in years,
I take deep, satisfying breaths, and for the first time since the
crisis, can lie down in bed on my back without precipitating an airway
cutoff.  I never thought I'd see that happen.  But I'm WEAK.  I can
barely function.  I feel like an old Land Rover with a rusted fuel line.
I have tried exercise but walking a circuit inside my house takes as
much out of me as a mile around the pond did before I quit the
clonazepam.  I'm unable to take good care of my animals, house, yard, or
person.  I have lost weight a little faster than I want to on a modified
Atkins, am eating well though, my color is good, no fever, no other
symptoms than bone-numbing fatigue.

Any ideas?  Sure would appreciate it!

Bystander


author: Star Gazer phoebe

subject: Re: COPD much better; but, why so weak???

text:
What  does  COPD  mean.  I  have  the  same    weakness.  Forest
Dweller.  I  reduced  all  housework  to  basics.  I  rest  between
tasks.   I  have  lost  weight   ( I*m   under  a  100  lbs).  I  take
many  nutritious  small  meals  during  the  day. It  is  good  to  have
a  hobby  &  I  find  mine      reduces  anxiety   I  am  a  politics
addict  &  that  probably  adds  anxiety.  However  it  also  gives  me
motivation  &  excitement.   My  doctor  is  understanding  but  has
little  to  suggest  about  the  weakness.  I   realize  stress  does
not  help


author: The Michael

text:
[email] (Forest Dweller) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

My wife went thru all kinds of tests and doctors when she had similar
symptoms and felt it was the end.  They found in early tests that her
white blood count was very high (in comparison to the red count) and
she even required a blood transfustion.  It was amazing how many
doctors and tests she went thru before they determined it was just an
extreme iron deficiency.  She is back to pretty much normal now and
taking slow release Iron (non-prescription).

I remember in the old days all of the ads for Geritol for "iron
deficiency anemia".  I was really disappointed in all of these doctors
for missing this simple diagnosis up front and spending all those
months looking elsewhere.


author: Olly Mensch

text:
Bystander - I annot be of much help to you, though I wish I could,
simply because your condition is so complex that anything I would advise
you to do, would be irresponsible.  It seems to me though that this
should not be a question for a newsgroup, but rather for your physician,
or perhaps a change of physicians, and for a thorough general
examination.  Your many problems call for professional,medical advice,
not for the well-meant but unprofessional advice of a newsgroup.
Good luck to you.===olly


author: Shirley Thebaglady

text:
There is a support group on COPD. It is a discussion group, I lurk a lot
there as I have friends with COPD.

shirley


author: Jeanette S.

text:
Phoebe wrote:  What does COPD mean.
********************************************
COPD means Chronic Obstructve Pulmonary
Disease.  Meaning great difficulty in moving air in and out of the
lungs.

There are many causes for this disease  including severe asthma over a
prolonged period of time; cigarette (or other tobacco) smoking;
inhalation over a great period of time, pollutants.  Anyhow, it is a
very had disease to live with.  Emphysema is a term used mainly in
cigarette smokers, and usually by the age of 50 those folk will have
beginning symptoms.  But I don't mean to say that all of these chronic
lung diseses are caused by cigarette smoking, but it has proven to be
the main culprit.  Jeanette


subject: Re: COPD much better; but, why so weak??? ~ Ollie

text:
Dear Ollie,

Thanks for your friendly and thoughtful response.  Yes, I called my
doctor's office this morning, and will again on Tuesday.

However, I often feel that informed laypeople will often have heard more
weird stuff than the professionals have.  Also, fewer and fewer doctors
will accept Medicare, & I don't blame them.  Also ALSO! -- I've been
going to doctors all my life, off and on, and my total recollection is a
long stream of chemicals, with a surgery thrown in rarely but, to the
body, shockingly.  In a word, they seem to be mostly pill pushers, bless
their hearts.  My doctor is charming, kind, extremely intelligent and
gifted, -- but she still gives you five minutes & writes a prescription!
Never mind.  You were very nice to take the time for me.

Sincerely,  Bystander


text:
Shirley:  Guess I'm still a little stupefied!  (Why do we never FEEL
stupid, when we are?!)  Thank you.  I will see if MSN has one.  (Hitting
self on head.  Calling self "Dum dum".)  ;-)

Bystander


text:
Thank  you,  Jeanette.  Yester da y,  I  was  give n  a  medical
check-up.  The  doctor  said  I  had  pulmonary  hypertension.  I  have
trouble  breathing  after  physical  exertion.  The  doctor  suggest ed
my  twisted  spine  was  the  culprit  for  all  my  ailments.  I
didn*t  smoke  &  I  did  not  have  asthma.  At  any  rate  my  mantra
is  to  dutifully  take  the  meds  &  vitamins  &  try  to  forget
about  the  fatigue.  I  have  certain  tasks  each  day==I  do  them
resting  between  activities.


text:
Incidently  I   think  being  Jewish  is  ethnic.  You  can  be  born
Jewish  &  be  agnostic  or  atheist==yoi  still  remain a  Jew.  I  do
not  wish  to  argue  about  religion . I  feel  open  to  most
people==very  much  so  to  you,  Jeanette  ==you  are  down  to  earth
&  give      good  common  sense  advice.


subject: Re: COPD much better; but, why so weak??? ~Bystander

text:
I use support groups for copeing with my chronic pain. I think that is
what you want.

shirley


subject: Re: COPD much better; but, why so weak??? ~Star Gazer

text:
Discussion - (0n your home page) then put in lung disease or any kind of
info that you are looking for.

shirley


author: Sebanhieng

subject: Phaendinlao Europe Magazine

text:
Dear Hmong Lao Friends
you can read Phendinlao Europe in Lao
at
http://www.geocities.com/phendinlao


author: "Parng D. Yarng"

subject: Re: Phaendinlao Europe Magazine

text:
Sabaidee, Sebanghieng:

Where and how can I down load or get Lao fonts to my computer so I can enjoy reading Lao whenever it requires?

Harkphaeng,

pdy


subject: Re: Phaendinlao Europe Magazine

text:
Parng :

You can download Lao fonts at these sites:
www.global.lao.net/lswin/
www.laowaves.com
www.vientiane.net
www.savananet.net
http://babel.uoregon.edu/yamada/fonts/lao.html

Jonn500


author: El General Candela

subject: Re: Too  serbian to be Clinton.

text:
El General Candela:

    You must be an stupid serbian with communist ideas of central planing
economy. If somebody shuts down an American  plane, Americans industry throws a
party. They will have a new order.

Bill Clinton wrote:


author: Mark Shneyder 432-4219

subject: Mutlu takes over Usenet

text:
Yes,folks,nobody thought it was possible but it's happening.
Mr. Hasan B.Mutlu,an individual with broad horizons and no limits,
is spilling his knowledge and venturing into totally unrelated
newsgroups. He's currently playing in rec.arts.movies where
10MB postings are becoming more frequent and less interesting.
Hopefully,he becomes more preoccupied in that newsgroup and leaves
this one alone for a while.(highly dubious) :-)

-Mark.


author: Tom Lincoln

subject: Re: Mutlu takes over Usenet

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
I don't think it costs him much, it just costs us... I believe that
he is using a scanner for input, so he has to do relatively little
to do. (Otherwise he is manic and VERY sick). :-(

Tom


author: Neal Dalton

subject: Getting rid of Net terrorist

text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (Tom Lincoln) writes:

I would suggest that someone place charges against him for copyright
infringement, plagiarism, and/or misquoting.  This shouldn't be hard to
find.

I would suggest threatening suite against him, his company/school, and/or
site feeding him.  Also bring it up to the NREN/Internet people.

I would be willing to trace down his site.


author: Jarmo Ryyti

subject: Re: Getting rid of Net terrorist

text:
In article <[email]> [email] writes:

HI,
I would be glad if someone can do something to stop Mutlu not to limit
a freedom  of speech but everyone begins to understad that misusing
this freedom turns it into net-terrorism. I am quite sure that this net or
newsgroup was not ment to be a media for propaganda originally. And freedom of
speech turns into the propaganda when one is repeating same message
months after months. If Mutlu had something new to say it would be an
other thing but he is just posting same old stuff months after months.
The meaning of the newsgroup is not definately that I think. Mutlu
is misusing the freedom of speech. Can anyone do anything because
if he gets followers we can say good bye for this media as a meaningful
media.
Jarmo Ryyti


author: Sergei

subject: [Copypaste de l'Avui] Què fan a la tele.

text:
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author: Almogaver

subject: Re: [Copypaste de l'Avui] Què fan a la tele.

text:
Sergei <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

No sï¿½ a que ve tanta tï¿½rria al copipasteig, sigui de l'avui o del que
sigui. ï¿½s una bona forma d'iniciar un debat sobre un tema.
L'alternativa seria passar-se un parell d'hores composant un article
tu solet, cosa per a la qual la gran majoria de gent no tï¿½ ni temps ni
ganes.

L'ï¿½nic que has de fer ï¿½s ignorar o filtrar els missatges. Personalment
m'incordien molt mï¿½s la tonelada de missatges crossputejats que no
tenen res a veure amb Catalunya o el Catalï¿½.


author: Agustí Roig

text:
Sergei escribiï¿œ:

Vaja, home.   :-/

Tant blasmar els copipastejadors compulsius i ara he d'acabar
reconeixent-ne l'utilitat.

Grï¿œcies, Sergei. Ja sï¿œ a quï¿œ puc fer un cop d'ull aquest vespre desprï¿œs
de sopar.

Agustï¿œ Roig


author: xenolith

subject: Re: Realties are inching in

text:
oceanblue wrote in message ...

Some of these individuals and groups are extremely consciencious of their
morality, considering their understandable bias and are, as such, the best
candidates for our attention and support, IMO, for reasons I explain below.

"Common sense is the collection of biases we accumulate by the age of 18"
(Albert Einstein). I have no love lost for Israel because of the
implications the creation of the Jewish state had and still having on the
Palestinians and other Arabs. There was and still is too much blood spilled
at the hands of the Israelis for me to fall in love with them and their
state.

Having said this, perspectives are relative. When you change the vantage
point, the outlook differs. Israelis don't see their state as being a flawed
concept. This is a reality we have to live with. I don't personally object
to the presence of Jews among our midst - native or Immigrants. Muslims and
Arabs have for centuries provided safe heaven for Jews fleeing European
anti-Semitism. It was not an ideal situation for them because of our
dhimmitude laws (no longer existing) but, all in all, it was folds better
than the way they fared in Europe. I should also add that the Jews
contributed their share to the advancement of their host civilization(s),
like they always do; they're hard work smart people focused on survival and
success. Good for them and good for their host civilization. I would tend to
believe you don't see a flaw in the picture I'm presenting so far either,
but I'm just guessing.

The problem I have with the Zionists is their extreme behaviour which began
developing in the 1920's exhibited as racism, cruelty and plain savagery in
the way they treated the Arabs of Palestine and other Arabs. Surprisingly,
the Sephardim Jews were a lot more extreme than the European Jews in their
ways towards the Arabs. At the core, however, the conflict is that of
control - political control of the state. Had there been absolute equality
(political and otherwise) between the Zionists and the Arabs in Palestine
would you still consider Israel a flawed concept?

It doesn't matter. You and I both know that things are not about to change
any time soon. This is the situation and the best we can do is deal with it
in the most optimal fashion. If we consider that there is no objection, on
the outset, to the Jews living among us like good citizen of the ME, and if
we consider that our own outlook would differ substantially and perhaps
become positively agreeable had there been absolute equality between Arabs
and Jews (Israelis), there would be no reason in my mind for the rejection
of the Israelis. These things may seem like utter madness and fantasy at the
moment given the ongoing armed conflict, the blood spilled, the victims
displaced and what have you ... but in the long run, things can change -
peacefully and demographically. And if that happens, a threat can turn into
an opportunity. If Israel *qualified* in the true sense for membership in
the Arab League I would welcome them with open arms and would have
absolutely no problem with their considering Israel/Palestine a safe haven
of world Jewry when anti-Semitism flares.

There was a statistic I read somewhere few months ago (could have been
reported by Thomas Freidman in his "From Beirut to Jerusalem" - excellent
book, btw), that argues: Had Israel annexed the West Bank and the Gaza
strip, the Israeli Arabs would have had a demographic majority in Israel by
2005! But obviously, this is precisely the reason Israel did not annex the
West Bank and Gaza.

You got it. Our biggest problem is ourselves and the pathetic state of our
society. "la youghayyiru Allahu ma bi qawmin Hatta yughayyiru ma bi
anfusihum". It is not becoming of us to cry wolf because we have allowed
ourselves to become the punching bag of civilizations. This is not their
fault. Civilizations compete. And if we were in a position of strength, not
only we would not be the punching bag of others, we may be making others our
own punching bag ... we have done this in the past. The clash of
civilizations is perpetual and every civilization is only expected to worry
about its own interests. Global politics is quite amoral ... always has been
always will be.

[ ... ]

I would try to turn the threat into an opportunity along the lines I
described earlier, if that is at all possible. The moderate, moral and peace
loving among the Israelis are not far off from this point of view for they
see it as a win-win situation. This is how I see it as well.


author: Golani M Golani

subject: Re: Realties are inching in

text:
oceanblue wrote:

Brilliant words.. This is one fact, Israel was founded by  votes no more no
less..

I had to re-pot the above to all Jews .. exactly as you said it..