author: Geoff Clare

subject: Re: nnspew complains about space

text:
[email] (I.Woodrow) writes:

Better still, change nnspew so that it uses a pipe instead of the first
temporary file.  The existing script looks something like:

	if nn -SPEW </dev/null > tmp1
	then
		if sort -u tmp1 > tmp2
		then
			mv tmp2 subjects
			chmod 644 subjects
		fi
	fi

so change this to look like:

	if nn -SPEW </dev/null | sort -u > tmp2
	then
		mv tmp2 subjects
		chmod 644 subjects
	fi

and it will need less than half as much disk space as before.

[ I missed the beginning of this thread, so I apologise if this has been
  suggested already. ]


author: Bernard T. Higonnet

subject: Newbie - client can not see groups on my inn server

text:
Using FreeBSD 8.0 innd 2.4.6 which is not expecially relevant as my
error must be very elementary...

I have set up a news server and created two newsgroups, but my client
can not see either of them.

This particular server neither receives feeds from anywhere, nor feeds
to other servers; it is intended for family use.

The client can connect to the server over my local network 192.168.3.*

Here is active:

control 0000000000 0000000001 n
control.cancel 0000000000 0000000001 n
control.checkgroups 0000000000 0000000001 n
control.newgroup 0000000000 0000000001 n
control.rmgroup 0000000000 0000000001 n
junk 0000000000 0000000001 n
Marytravel 0000000000 0000000001 y
BTHtravel 0000000000 0000000001 y

and newsgroups:

control                 Various control messages (no posting).
control.cancel          Cancel messages (no posting).
control.checkgroups     Hierarchy check control messages (no posting).
control.newgroup        Newsgroup creation control messages (no posting).
control.rmgroup         Newsgroup removal control messages (no posting).
junk                    Unfiled articles (no posting).
Marytravel              Mary's travels
BTHtravel               BTH's travels

nnrp.access:

stdin:Read Post:::*
localhost:Read Post:::*
127.0.0.1:Read Post:::*
192.168.3.*:RP:::*
*.higonnet.net:Read Post:::*

TIA
Bernard Higonnet


author: Julien ÉLIE

subject: Re: Newbie - client can not see groups on my inn server

text:
Hi Bernard,

The version of INN you are speaking about does not use the nnrp.access
file.  It has been replaced by the readers.conf file.
Please have a look at:
     http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/readers.conf.html
and especially at the examples at the end of the page.

If you have any question about this file, do not hesitate to ask here.


subject: Re: Newbie - client can not see groups on my inn server - SOLVED

text:
Julien ï¿½LIE wrote:
How strange, works now that I put the right stuff in readers.conf!

Muchissimas grï¿½cias Seï¿½or
Bernard Higonnet


author: Hugh Fox

subject: ctlinnd cancel question

text:
I hope this is the correct newsgroup to ask this question ....

I am in the process of setting up a newsserver to host groups about our
software applications. We will host the news server ourselves, and I have
installed INN.

I have created some local newsgroups, no incoming groups, and no feeds,
local news serving only. The box is accessible to all to read and post in
the newsgroups I have set up. The groups have been setup never to expire, as
they will be low volume groups, and the archie of questions and answers will
remain useful.

What _exactly_ is supposed to happen when I "ctlinnd cancel <message-id>" a
message? I want to know this so I can delete articles like SPAM off the
groups, and I want to be the only one to be able to do that (ie news-users
cannot cancel messages themselves).

I have run the ctlinnd cancel function a couple of times, and it seems not
to do anything, in other words, the messages do not disappear. Does this
command actually set switches for immediate expiration, which would happen
the next time news.daily is run, and since I have set the newsgroups neve to
expire, they don't go ???

Or am I doing this completely the wrong way.

By the way, does anyone know of an easier way to manage newsgroup messages
??

Regards,

Hugh Fox


author: Russ Allbery

subject: Re: ctlinnd cancel question

text:
Hugh Fox <[email]> writes:

The article is deleted off disk.  Overview and history is then cleaned up
by the nightly expire process.

That shouldn't be happening.  Are you sure that the article hasn't
disappeared (in other words, you can read the entire article)?  Remember,
the overview doesn't go away until the next time expireover runs, so the
articles will still show up in the article lists in many newsreaders until
that happens.


subject: Re: ctlinnd cancel question

text:
Russ, thanks for the reply.

I am a newbie at this, Sales Manager at the company, and know _almost_
enough about IT to be dangerous ....

This is what I am writing at the command line (tried both as user news and
root)
ctlinnd cancel 97329b$qlu$[email]
The machine replies: Ok

The log says:
Feb 23 21:35:34 mail2 innd: c:[email]
Feb 23 21:35:34 mail2 innd: SERVER cancelled <[email]>

But the message remains in /var/spool/news/articles/test

I can reset a newsreader's local file, then open the group again, and the
deleted message still shows up.

Anywhere else I can look?

I am using INN as the newsserver, and although it is complicated to
configure, following the instructions from Elena
(http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Elena.Samsonova/unix/inn.shtml) it seems to
be working well except for this message cancel problem.

I have found dnews and inn as possible servers under linux, but no others
which can act as servers for local groups. Are there any other alternatives
I have not found?

TIA,

Hugh

"Russ Allbery" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
not


author: those who know me have no need of my name

subject: Re: ctlinnd cancel question

text:
<[email]> divulged:

try it again, but this time make it ...

    ctlinnd cancel '97329b$qlu$[email]'

note that the canceled article isn't the one you think you specified --
the message-id was truncated by your shell.


subject: Re: ctlinnd cancel question

text:
Thanks your hint worked like a charm !!!

"those who know me have no need of my name" <[email]>
wrote in message news:[email]...


author: Default

subject: Re: ctlinnd cancel question

text:
"Hugh Fox" <[email]> writes:

For extra credit -- do you understand why?


author: Dave Korn

subject: Re: ctlinnd cancel question

text:
Default wrote in message ...

  Nothing that couldn't be sorted with a few environment variable
settings....

     DaveK


author: Paul

subject: Articles Refused

text:
Hi!

 I'm trying to keep my inn server for me and my peers, Minimized on bad
traffic..

 How do I reduce the "Articles Refused" both ways?

 I mean, whatam I doing wrong to my peers, and or what are they doing back,
to have the "Articles Refused" stats go upwards?

 Thank You for any help..


author: Francois Petillon

subject: Re: Articles Refused

text:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:57:29 -0500, Paul wrote:

What are you calling "article refuse" ? The refusal took place before or
after the transfert ?

In the first case, it is normal (articles your peer already has are refuse
when you check them).

In the second case, you have to find out the reason why articles are
refused. There may be plenty of reasons and somes may be unresolvable.
Here, the internal feeds do not use check for real-time feeds and a server
may get an article from an internal feed quicker than you are trying to
send it. In this case, the server will refuse your article and there is
nothing you may do. But regular refusal are probably dued to local
filters, missing groups, etc.

François


author: Bozweb

subject: Re: Articles Refused

text:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:57:29 -0500, Paul <[email]>
wrote:

Read this
http://people.dsv.su.se/~jpalme/e-mail-book/usenet-news.html


subject: Re: Articles Refused

text:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:13:32 -0500, Paul wrote:

On the incoming feeds, you have :
- Offered : the number of articles your peer was "ready" to send
you (the number of ihave/check you received)
- Taken : the number of articles your server agreed to receive
- Refused : the number of articles you server refused to receive
- Reject : the number of articles your server received but discarded

For outgoing feed, this is the reverse (swap 'peer' & 'server').

Your problem is related to "Reject", not "Refused". You have to ckeck your
log for incoming rejected articles. In my /var/log/news logfile, I have
rejection lines like :
Dec  4 12:57:13.444 - feeder1-2.proxad.net. <4937c608$4$23685$[email]> 437 Weird groups
Dec  4 12:57:13.561 - feeder1-2.proxad.net. <[email]> 437 Unwanted newsgroup "alt.binaries.southern-charms.pictures"
Dec  4 12:57:13.699 - feeder1-2.proxad.net. <4937c609$0$23685$[email]> 437 Weird groups
Dec  4 12:57:13.777 - feeder1-2.proxad.net. <1228399092_2234975@news-europe.u> 437 Binary in non-binary group
Dec  4 13:02:38.960 - feeder1-2.proxad.net. <1228392158$[email]> 437 EMP (fsl)
Dec  4 13:02:38.991 - feeder1-2.proxad.net. <4937c74e$0$23685$[email]> 437 Unwanted Path (news.alt.net)
Dec  4 13:06:04.688 - feeder1-2.proxad.net. <[email]> 437 Scoring filter (12=+Sbj1pt+Sbj2pt+Frm1pt+Frm1pt+Frm1pt+Frm1pt+Frm2pt+From_inv)
Dec  4 13:07:15.296 - feeder2-2.proxad.net. <part27of80.GJ&RtAb&[email]> 437 Duplicate
Dec  4 13:08:46.624 - feeder1-1.proxad.net. <[email]> 437 You should set a followup-to when crossposting

For outgoing articles, it will be difficult. You may try to patch innfeed
to log rejected messages (I would bet on file innfeed/connection.c,
functions processResponse439 and processResponse437 or their calling
function responseIsRead). Or you may contact the newsmaster and ask him...

Some people like to send articles to unexisting groups, you will always
see rejected articles for missing groups (unless you create them on the
fly).

François


subject: Re: Articles Refused

text:
Hi there Francois!  :-)

Francois Petillon wrote:

 Well, I am still like a green tomatoe and don't completely understand yet.

 Looking at as EXAMPLE only:
http://news.enother.com/news-notice.2008.11.27-04.15.02.html

 How can I bring down unwanted bandwidth outwards and inwards to my peers?

 Yes, this what I need help with?

 Ahh!  Maybe missing "Groups"?  As so, where do I get a COMPLETE groups list
at?

 Thanks for your help..

 Paul


author: Brian MacNamara

subject: Hedgehog FAQ [1/7] - About the Hedgehog FAQ

text:
Archive-name: hedgehog-faq/part1
Posting-Frequency: monthly
Keywords: faq pet hedgehogs

Last-modified: 21 March 2004
Version: 3.60

HEDGEHOG FAQ (part 1 of 7) -- ABOUT THE HEDGEHOG FAQ
Compiled and edited by Brian MacNamara ([email])
Additions, corrections, and suggestions for this file are welcomed.

This document is copyright 2004 by Brian MacNamara.  See section [0.6]
for authorship information and redistribution rights.  In short, you
can give it away, but you can't charge for it.

The basic Hedgehog FAQ has seven parts, all of which should be available
from wherever you obtained this one.  A complete table of contents for
all seven parts is given below.

Please note:  While my knowledge of hedgehogs has grown (far beyond my
wildest expectations when I began the FAQ), my knowledge is still quite
limited, especially in areas of health care.  I did not write, or verify,
all the information in this FAQ.  I have done my best to include only
accurate and useful information, but I cannot guarantee the correctness
of what is contained in this FAQ, regardless of the source, or even that
it will not be harmful to you or your hedgehog in some way.  For advice
from an expert, I recommend you consult the books listed in part 2 [2.1],
or, especially in the case of a suspected medical problem, a veterinarian
who is familiar with hedgehogs.

------------------------------

Subject: CONTENTS OF THE HEDGEHOG FAQ FILES

Part I: ABOUT THE HEDGEHOG FAQ (this file)

0. *** About this FAQ ***

   <0.1> Notes on formatting
   <0.2> Where to get the Hedgehog FAQ
   <0.3> Goal of this FAQ
   <0.4> Credits and editor's notes
   <0.5> Information I would like to track down and add -- please help!
   <0.6> Copyright and redistribution information

1. *** Revision history of this file ***

Part II: FINDING MORE INFORMATION

2. *** Where to get more information ***

   <2.1> What books are there on pet hedgehogs?
   <2.2> Is there any other information available on-line?
   <2.3> International Hedgehog Registry
   <2.4> Hedgehogs Welfare Society
   <2.5> International Hedgehog Association
   <2.6> Other hedgehog organizations
   <2.7> Miscellaneous hedgehog stuff and sources

Part III: INTRO TO HEDGEHOGS AS PETS

3. *** Introduction to pet hedgehogs ***

   <3.1> What are hedgehogs?  Should I get one?  What's good and bad
         about them as pets?
   <3.2> Where are pet hedgehogs illegal?
   <3.3> Are hedgehogs wild animals?
   <3.4> What's the average hedgehog lifespan?
   <3.5> I'm allergic to cats.  Will I be allergic to hedgehogs?
   <3.6> Do hedgehogs smell?
   <3.7> Do hedgehogs have tails?
   <3.8> Hedgehog monikers -- what do I call a hedgehog?
   <3.9> Her-hog or Him-hog?  What sex is Prickles?

4. *** Getting a pet hedgehog ***

   <4.1> Which types/colours are there?  Male or female?  What age?
   <4.2> How many should I get?
   <4.3> What to look for in a hedgehog / How to choose a hedgehog
   <4.4> How can I find a hedgehog breeder/contact in my area?
   <4.5> When Hedgie comes home
   <4.6> Hedgehog handling / socializing
   <4.7> How can I introduce my hedgehog to my (dog/cat/bird/fish/
         rabbit/etc.) with the least trouble?

Part IV: HEDGEHOGS AS PETS

5. *** Things you'll need ***

   <5.1> What will I need to take care of my new hedgehog?
   <5.2> Do I need a cage?  How should I set it up?
   <5.3> The pet store uses wood shavings as bedding.  Should I?
   <5.4> Litter boxes and what kind of litter should I use?
   <5.5> I'm having problems litter-training my hedgehog.  What should
         I be doing?
   <5.6> Hedgehogs and wheels
   <5.7> Making your own wheel
   <5.8> Any suggestions on toys?

6. *** Basic hedgehog care and training ***

   <6.1> How can I best hedgehogproof my home?
   <6.2> What should I feed my hedgehog?
   <6.3> Commercial hedgehog foods and nutrition
   <6.4> What are good treats?
   <6.5> Any suggestions on bathing, cleaning ears, and clipping nails?
   <6.6> Biting and nipping
   <6.7> HELP, my hedgehog is LOST! (or Hedgehog Hide-and-Seek)

Part V: HEDGEHOG CARE AND UNDERSTANDING

7. *** Things hedgehogs say and do ***

   <7.1> Self-anointing.  What is it?  Why do hedgehogs do it?
   <7.2> My hedgehog snuffles and hides a lot.  Is that normal?
   <7.3> Is he just asleep or hibernating?
   <7.4> My hedgehog sneezes.  What should I do?
   <7.5> My hedgehog's gone ballistic?  Is this normal?
   <7.6> Basic hedgehog repertoire

8. *** Basic health care ***

   <8.1> What health risks should I worry about?
   <8.2> Mites (or mites, not?)
   <8.3> Tattered or ragged ears
   <8.4> Hedgehog first-aid kit
   <8.5> Do I need to spay/neuter my pet?
   <8.6> Vaccinations, etc.

9. *** Problems to watch for and related information ***

   <9.1> Various hedgehog health issues
   <9.2> My hedgehog's had funny-looking stools for a couple of days.
         What's wrong?
   <9.3> My hedgehog's not eating.  What should I do?
   <9.4> How did I get fleas in my home?  How can I get rid of
         them?
   <9.5> Wobbly hedgehogs

Part VI: ADVANCED TOPICS IN HEDGEHOGGERY

10. *** Breeding, babies, and advanced issues ***

   <10.1> Breeding
   <10.2> General care for babies
   <10.3> Hand feeding baby hedgehogs
   <10.4> Colours, types, and species

Part VII: WILD HEDGEHOGS

11. *** Finding Information ***

   <11.1> Intro to wild hedgehogs
   <11.2> What hedgehog books are there?
   <11.3> Is there information available on-line?
   <11.4> Wild Hedgehog Organizations
   <11.5> Miscellaneous Hedgehog stuff and sources

12. *** Care and Helping ***

   <12.1> The hedgehog calendar
   <12.2> Caring for visiting hedgehogs
   <12.3> Feeding and caring for orphan baby hedgehogs
   <12.4> Hedgehog housing
   <12.5> Hedgehogizing your garden
   <12.6> Wild hedgehog health
   <12.7> Dangers to wild hedgehogs
   <12.8> Watching out for hibernating hedgehogs

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

0. *** About this FAQ ***

------------------------------

Subject: <0.1> Notes on formatting

The answers in these files are given in a ``digest format,'' which should
make it easier for you to scan through them for the information you want.
Each question begins with a line of hyphens, followed by its number and
the question itself, as given in the Table of Contents above.  In many
newsreaders, including rn, trn, and strn, you can jump from one
question to the next by hitting CONTROL-G.  You can also look for a
particular answer by searching for its number or for words from the
question.

There are also some formatting aspects which may appear odd at first,
such as indents and combinations of tabs and spaces.  These are used to
automatically convert the FAQ into HTML format, using a utility program I
created for this.  Unfortunately, it's not very adaptable to other FAQs as it
was written in some haste, but it does do a reasonable job on the Hedgehog
FAQ.

Cross-references to other questions are in square brackets; for
example, [2.2] means that more information may be found in section
2.2.

------------------------------

Subject: <0.2> Where to get the Hedgehog FAQ

This FAQ is posted once a month (usually on or around the 20th) to the
rec.pets, rec.answers, and news.answers newsgroups.  It is also available by
anonymous FTP from the main news.answers repository:

       	ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/rec.pets/

(That is, ftp to rtfm.mit.edu and cd into the directory
pub/usenet-by-group/rec.pets).  The files themselves are called:

       	Hedgehog_FAQ_[1_7]_-_About_the_Hedgehog_FAQ
       	Hedgehog_FAQ_[2_7]_-_Finding_more_information
       	Hedgehog_FAQ_[3_7]_-_Intro_to_Hedgehogs_as_pets
       	Hedgehog_FAQ_[4_7]_-_Hedgehogs_as_pets
       	Hedgehog_FAQ_[5_7]_-_Care_and_Understanding
       	Hedgehog_FAQ_[6_7]_-_Advanced_Topics_in_Hedgehoggery
       	Hedgehog_FAQ_[7_7]_-_Wild_Hedgehogs

It's also always available from my hedgehog web page at:

       	http://HedgehogHollow.com/

Finally, Dr. Tetsuro Oka, DMV, has translated the one version of the FAQ into
Japanese, which can be accessed at:

       	http://member.nifty.ne.jp/exoticpet/

Please note that the address, above, is new (Oct, 1999), and Dr. Tetsuro Oka
informs me that he is working on an updated translation of the FAQ.

If you cannot ftp and have no WWW access, send me email
([email]) and I'll be glad to email you a copy.

------------------------------

Subject: <0.3> Goal of this FAQ

This FAQ is intended to cover many of the basic questions about hedgehogs.
It's somewhat unusual in that it deals both with pet (African Pigmy)
hedgehogs, and with wild hedgehogs (primarily European, but also African).
Most of the FAQ is aimed primarily at pet hedgehogs, largely because that is
the information I have to draw on.  I hope to continue to extend the coverage
of the FAQ to address both groups reasonably, and since there is considerable
crossover in how the information applies, much of what is said about one
group is applicable to the other, with a little common sense used in the
interpretation.

The number of books and other sources for information is finally expanding to
a reasonable quantity, however, there is still relatively little information
available on caring for and understanding hedgehogs, at least compared to
most animals.  While this FAQ does not intend to be an in-depth dissertation
on hedgehogs, it is expected to provide some basic information, and to be a
source for new information as it is learned, rather than waiting for the next
book to be published.

I should also point out that I expect to keep the comments fairly light, so
as not to make the bulk of this FAQ qualify as a cure for insomnia.  If you
start to find it boring, tell me -- I probably fell asleep while typing that
section, and messed up on the what I was saying.

I do have to admit to one pang of guilt.  When I discovered there was so very
little information on looking after hedgehogs, I desperately wanted a FAQ to
refer to.  Since there wasn't one (Sorry Nathan, I didn't even know about
your efforts then) I figured the best way to get all the information I wanted
was to write the FAQ, and hope the comments it managed to get would provide
all the missing bits and pieces.  'Nuff said, let's get on with hedgehogs.

------------------------------

Subject: <0.4> Credits and editor's notes

I can take credit for only a relatively small part of the contents of this
FAQ.  Most of the useful information deserves thanks to others.  I have tried
to give credit to the right person in the right place by indenting specific
comments by others and citing the authors.  My real contribution has been to
cobble together the many useful pieces of information on hedgehogs that have
appeared on the Internet, and elsewhere, into a single source.

With this latest version (3.X), I think the FAQ, and myself, have finally
reached the point where we both know something about hedgehogs, at last.  As
part of this rewrite, I've tried to blend in many of the comments that people
have provided, and in some cases, I may have dropped actual quotes from the
FAQ.  I want to apologize to those of you whose information has now become
part of the prose, rather than a separate quotation.  I've done this to try
and make the information flow better for the reader, and I can promise it has
not been done lightly.

Of all the contributors, I would like to extend a special thanks to Nathan
Tenny whose unofficial hedgehog FAQ formed the foundation for the information
below.  Nathan deserves the lion's share of the inspiration on this FAQ, and
should be considered the father of the hedgehog FAQ.  Thanks Nathan -- you
saved my first version from just being filled with hedgehog anecdotes,
instead of good information.

I would also like to thank Katherine Long for the encouragement to actually
pull this together, and Pamela Greene for allowing me to use the ferret FAQ
as a guide for the topics and sections below, and many other useful tidbits
of FAQ formatting.

I have a special thanks for Cathy A. Johnson-Delaney, DVM, who as one of the
first few veterinarians who has owned (or is that owned by?) hedgehogs, has
provided some medical info for the FAQ.  Thanks for the help Cathy, and for
making me feel a lot better about this pile of babbling.

Thanks to Peter Captijn, who almost single handedly kick-started me into
finally adding the information on European hedgehogs that I've been meaning
to for ages (and who actually contributed most of it) -- may your garden be
overrun by prickly little visitors.

And next to David Mantle for sending me an absolutely amazing wealth of
information on European hedgehogs that will take me a while to wade through
and incorporate all the wonderful tidbits into the FAQ.

Sort of a quick separate thanks to all the hedgehog-happy readers of the
rec.pets newsgroup, and the hedgehog listservers, who have unknowingly added
volumes to this FAQ, and especially to Patty-Anne Lea for boosting my ego
above and beyond measure and letting me know for sure that this creation is
appreciated.

In a general sense, I would like to thank all the people at the N.A.H.A.,
HI, and the IHR for their help and encouragement.

I want to extend many thanks to the contributors who all deserve a round of
applause for what they have contributed: Melanie A. Abell; Ron Adrezin;
Andrew Albinger; Debbie Allen; Jeffery Allen; Debbie Andelin; Tammy Baer;
Lance Barlow; Brenda Basinger; Michael Bell; D. Bishop; Shirley Ann Blakeney;
Dick Brisky, Matt and Renee Butcher; Tom Buzzwo; Eloise Campbell; Christi
Cantrell; Travis Carter; Chingur/Lani Richey; chvall; Teresa Claudino; Wayne
W. Clendenin; Kathleen Close; Jazmyn Concolor; Bill Corner; CowFanatic;
Peyton M. Creadick; John R. Daily; Marcin Dobrucki; Doug Dorer and Mary Anne;
Dave Ehrnstein; Elizabeth Galante; Robyn Gorton; Tex Green; Leslie H.;
Michael Hainsworth; Lynn Hallquist; Kim Heys; Kelly A. Hodge; John Horton;
Stefan Hossack; Steph Hyne; Penny Jackson; Laura Jefferson; Jerry; Julihana;
Marcia Kautz; Kay of Hedgehog Helpline; Anders Kemi and Siw Bjorkgren;
Kirby J. Kerr; Lisa Ladouceur; LeAnne and Adrian; Julie Leir-Van Sickle and
Glen Van Sickle; John Lester; George Lewis; Terri Lewis; Alicia Look; Peter
Mack; Melissa Maloney; John F. Masinter; Sharon Massena; Donald Martin;
Janet Martin; Mike McGary; Gerald McKiness; Antigone Means; Melissa and
Heather; Melissa-Lee; Jan Micheel; Elizabeth Jane Monroe; Julie Moor;
Tiffany Mross; Willard B. ``Skip'' Nelson, DVM; Mary Novak; John Ofner; Dr.
Tetsuro Oka, DVM; Ligia Ortega; Tim Pearson; Christine Porter; Pam Powers;
Vanessa Purvis; Dr. Nigel Reeve; Todd Reeves; Paul Ritchey; Lisa Rowe; Rick
Russell; Seabury Salmon; Jon Santarelli; Richard Saunders; Sigrun Seetrevik;
Sheri; Michael Simla; Jon Simmons; Craig Simpson; Shelley Small; Wendi Smit;
Bryan H. Smith; Alexis Sneller; Elyse Spaite; Randy Starcher; Ken
Steigenberger; Pat Storer; Chuck Stoup; Doyle Stradling; Susan & Chia; H.
Swaggert; Teresa; Tirya; Dan Tishman; Barry Turner; Steve Turpin; Anja van
der Werf; Ian Van Natter; Jesse and Kris Welsh; Tom Weston; Kyrstin Westwind;
Linda Wheatley; Janet Willacy; Johnny M. Williams; Dominique Winther; Woobie;
Dawn Wrobel, Jennifer Young-Watson; Kathy and Donald Zepp; and Znofyl; and
last but not least, my resident editors-in-quills Neon and Nettles, and
copy-girl Noelle, and the late, dear Velcro, Sprocket, Hocus, Pocus, Quibble,
Bramble, Skewer, Popeye, Quiver, Pepper, Mimosa, and Chestnut.

One last thank you that deserves separate note is to my wife, Betty Gunn for
happily sharing and encouraging my hedgehog addiction, presenting me with
Velcro, and for repeatedly translating this whole thing into English, from
what ends up being little more than a mish-mash of spelling mistakes and
punctuation that bears no resemblance to any language from this planet.

If there is anyone I have missed, you have my apologies, and please let me
know.  I hope that the list above will continue to grow over the coming
years.

------------------------------

Subject: <0.5> Information I would like to track down and add -- please help!

This is your chance to help add things to the FAQ.  Some of the specific
information I'm trying to track down is listed below, but please don't limit
yourselves to this -- I'm very open minded about taking any kind of
information I can get a hold of.

  New or changing information on any hedgehog related organizations and
  charities, clubs, and rescue organizations.  This is a permanent request.

  Further information on places where hedgehogs are not legal as pets,
  or changes that make them legal where they were not.

  More information on hedgehogs as pets in other parts of the world, and the
  types (species) kept as pets in various places.

  Any questions you think the FAQ should answer or discuss -- even if
  (especially if?) you don't know the answer.

  Information on books about and products for hedgehogs.

  Information about hedgehog food.  What brands/types are available and
  where.

  Additional information useful to people dealing with wild hedgehogs,
  especially those in Europe.

  Updated information on current veterinary literature sources for
  section [8.6].

  Information on hedgehog health problems and treatments.

Some of the things I hope to add over the upcoming releases are:

  (I'm still trying to finish tidying up all the changes in the V3.X
  rewrite of the FAQ -- as soon as I can start to look forward, again,
  I'll add some meaningful plans, here).

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Subject: <0.6> Copyright and redistribution information

This compilation, is copyright 2004 by Brian MacNamara.
It may be freely distributed by electronic, paper, or other means,
provided that it is distributed in its entirety, including this notice,
and that no fee is charged apart from the actual costs of distribution.
(For-profit service providers such as CompuServe and America Online
are granted permission to distribute the files provided that no
additional fee beyond standard connection-time charges is levied.)

Those portions of this file written by others remain the property of
their respective authors.

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1. *** Revision history of this file ***

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Subject: Revision history

The most accurate description of the version of this FAQ is the date
at the top.  For really minor changes, I won't necessarily change the
version number, but I'll always change the date.

Version 3.60 - 21 March 2004

  No changes this month.

Version 3.59 - 29 February 2004

  No changes this month.

Version 3.58 - 25 January 2004

  Revised sections [0.6] (update copyright), [1.] (always).

Version 3.57 - 27 December 2003

  Revised sections [0.4] (more contributors), [1.] (always), [3.2] (status
  for Wyoming - hedgehogs are allowed).

Version 3.56 - 24 November 2003

  No changes this month..

Version 3.55 - 26 October 2003

  Revised sections [0.4] (staff changes :-) ), [1.] (always).

Version 3.54 - 25 September 2003

  No changes this month.

Version 3.53 - 27 August 2003

  No changes this month.

Version 3.52 - 26 July 2003

  Revised sections [1.] (always), [6.3] (added Brown's Nutrition Plus
  premium diet Hedgehog food)

Version 3.51 - 25 June 2003

  Revised sections [0.4] (more contributors :-) and staff changes :-( ),
  [1.] (always), [3.2] (status for Quebec has changed - hedgehogs are
  allowed as pets).

Version 3.50 - 25 May 2003

  No changes this month.

Version 3.49 - 25 April 2003

  No changes this month.

Version 3.48 - 23 March 2003

  No changes this month.

Version 3.47 - 22 February 2003

  Revised sections [0.4] (contributors), [1.] (always), [2.1] (Updated links
  and prices for RZU2U).

Version 3.46 - 27 January 2003

  Revised sections [0.4] (staff changes :-( and :-) ), [0.6] (Where did the
  year go?), [1.] (always), [6.3] (Updated address for ABC Inc).

Version 3.45 - 28 December 2002

  No changes this month.

Version 3.44 - 25 November 2002

  No changes this month.

Version 3.43 - 27 October 2002

  No changes this month.

Version 3.42 - 29 September 2002

  No changes this month due to changing ISPs, OSs, etc.

Version 3.41 - 25 August 2002

  No changes this month.

Version 3.40 - 23 July 2002

  Revised sections [0.4] (staff changes :-( ), [1.] (as ever), [2.5] (updated
  IH`A' information including change from Club to Association throughout)

Version 3.39 - 25 June 2002

  No changes this month.

Version 3.38 - 25 May 2002

  Revised sections [0.4] (more contributors), [1.] (as ever), [6.2] (a
  caution on dead insects/mealworms potentially causing illness).

Version 3.37 - 25 April 2002

  No changes this month.

Version 3.36 - 27 March 2002

  Revised sections [1.] (always), [2.4] (now the Hedgehog Welfare Society,
  and Carolina Hedgehog Society).

Version 3.35 - 25 February 2002

  No real changes due to the staff changes (both sad and happy).

  Revised sections [0.4] (staff changes), [1.] (always), [3.2] (added
  indications that hhogs might now be illegal in Pennsylvania).

Version 3.34 - 22 January 2002

  Revised sections [0.6] (Happy New Year), [1.] (always).

Version 3.33 - 23 December 2001

  No changes this month.

Version 3.32 - 25 November 2001

  No changes this month.

Version 3.31 - 25 October 2001

  Revised sections [0.4] (more contributors), [1.] (as ever), [3.2] (Pet AP
  hedgies in Finland), [5.8] (hedgie stairs).

Version 3.30 - 27 September 2001

  No changes this month.  Duck and Snuffle...
  (Cool weather is coming -- keep your hedgies warm)

Version 3.29 - 27 August 2001

  No changes this month.

Version 3.28 - 24 July 2001

  No changes this month due to hedgie problems.  Sorry.

Version 3.27 - 20 Jun 2001

  No changes this month due to moving (my world is made of boxes).

Version 3.26 - 26 May 2001

  No changes this month due to moving.

Version 3.25 - 26 April 2001

  Revised sections [0.4] (more contributions), [1.] (always), [2.7] (added
  theferretstore.com to sources).

Version 3.24 - 25 March 2001

  No changes.

Version 3.23 - 24 February 2001

  Revised sections [0.4] (staff changes), [1.] (always).

  Due to the `staff changes' I was not up doing much else this month --
  sorry.

Version 3.22 - 29 January 2001

  Revised sections [1.] (always), [2.4] (Hedgehogs International have ceased
  operations), various changes throughout to remove references to section
  2.4.

  My apologies for not getting to the other updates that people have sent me
  over the past few months.  I hope to get to some of them for February.

Version 3.21 - 26 December 2000

  No changes.

Version 3.20 - 26 November 2000

  No changes.

Version 3.19 - 24 October 2000

  Revised sections [1.] (always), [2.2] (added note on HedgehogHollow being
  closed for reconstruction), [2.4] (updated info for Hedgehog
  International), [9.5] (added additional info on wobbly hedgehogs).

Version 3.18 - 24 September 2000

  Revised sections [1.] (always), [2.2] (more mailing list changes), [2.4]
  (updated addresses for Hedgehog International).

Version 3.17 - 20 August 2000

  No changes.

Version 3.16 - 24 July 2000

  Revised sections [0.4] (more contributors), [1.] (always), [2.3]
  (updated HHog Registry info).

Version 3.15 - 25 June 2000

  No changes.

Version 3.14 - 24 May 2000

  Revised sections [1.] (as ever), [2.2] (HH Mailing list has closed, but
  added info on newish list, PigPogLives)

Version 3.13 - 24 April 2000

  No changes.

Version 3.12 - 23 March 2000

  No changes.

Version 3.11 - 26 February 2000

  Revised sections [0.4] (more contributors), [1.] (as ever), [11.5] (Added
  info on CJ Wildbird nest boxes and wild hh food).

Version 3.10 - 23 January 2000

  Revised sections [0.6] (updated copyright), [1.] (right here), [6.3]
  (fixed address for ABC).

Version 3.9 - 26 December 1999

  No changes this month -- I've been busy with work and the holidays.
  Sorry.

Version 3.8 - 25 November 1999

  Delayed again.  This time of all things the cause was due in part to
  fixing earthquake induced computer problems (unfortunately, I'm not
  making this one up :-})

  Changed to HI throughout, and Renumbered sections 2.5-2.6 to allow room
  to add IHC as [2.5].

  Revised sections [0.2] (new address for Japanese translation), [0.4]
  (hedgie staff changes), [1.] (still), [2.2] (adjusted AOL chat information
  and removed Lance Barlow's chat which seems to be gone), [2.4] (changed
  to HI), [6.3] (changes to food availability).

Version 3.7 - 27 October 1999

  No changes this month due to hedgie problems.  Sorry.

Version 3.6 - 25 September 1999

  Whoops, missed the date!  Sorry the changes and posting are late.  I've
  been busy with a new job.

  Revised sections [0.4] (more contributers), [1.] (this message), [2.3]
  (updated branch info for IHR), [2.4] (brief update name), [9.1] (added
  notes on Uterine tumours).

Version 3.5 - 23 August 1999

  No real changes, again, this month due to editor changing jobs.  Hopefully
  this will mean more time for the FAQ in the coming months.

  Please note: at this time, only the HedgehogHollow.COM addresses for both
  the FAQ and myself continue to work.  Email sent to my previous addresses
  at PCI will not be able to reach me.  Also, I regret that I have been
  mostly offline over the previous month or so, and I am far behind on
  email.  I hope that I will be able to catch up, starting soon, though
  this will depend on how much time and effort my new job will absorb.

  Revised sections [1.] (this message).

Version 3.4 - 24 July 1999

  No real changes this month due to editor being completely overloaded
  at work.

  Revised sections [1.] (this message).

Version 3.3 - 20 June 1999

  Changed sender to reflect coming from hedgehoghollow.com domain.

  Revised sections [0.4] (more kind contributors), [1.] (always), [3.2]
  (revised info on Maine and PEI).

Version 3.2 - 20 May 1999

  Revised sections [0.2] (ftp access from main news repository, only),
  [1.] (always).

  Few changes due to editor being busy changing ISPs.

Version 3.1 - 20 Apr 1999

  Revised sections [1.] (always), [2.2] (adjusted AOL chat information),
  [8.2] (added caution about alcohol based flea/tick spays, including
  Adams), [9.1] (stressed dangers of sunflower seeds, which like peanuts
  get caught in hedgie mouths, with sometimes deadly results).

Version 3.0 - 02 Mar 1999

  It's done, at last.  My apologies for the delays in getting V3.0 of
  the FAQ together -- it was a much bigger job than I anticipated.

  This release constitutes a major rewrite and reorganization of the
  FAQ.  The first in over 3 years, and 45 monthly updates.  The changes
  are extensive enough that I've removed the revision history between
  V2.0 and V3.0 as the contents were meaningless relative to the `new'
  FAQ.  Only the major versions are shown until updates begin, again.

Version 2.0 - 17 Apr 1995

  Renumbered sections 1 and 2 reversing them to allow for split-up, and
  because it made more sense to me.

  Split FAQ into multiple pieces to try and avoid newsreader size limitations.

Version 1.0 - 10 Jan 1995

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subject: Hedgehog FAQ [2/7] - Finding more information

text:
Archive-name: hedgehog-faq/part2
Posting-Frequency: monthly
Keywords: faq pet hedgehogs

Last-modified: 21 March 2004
Version: 3.60

HEDGEHOG FAQ (part 2 of 7) -- FINDING MORE INFORMATION
Compiled and edited by Brian MacNamara ([email])
Additions, corrections, and suggestions for this file are welcomed.

This document is copyright 2004 by Brian MacNamara.  See section [0.6]
for authorship information and redistribution rights.  In short, you
can give it away, but you can't charge for it.

The basic Hedgehog FAQ has seven parts, all of which should be available
from wherever you obtained this one.  A complete table of contents for
all seven parts is given in part I.

Please note:  While my knowledge of hedgehogs has grown (far beyond my
wildest expectations when I began the FAQ), my knowledge is still quite
limited, especially in areas of health care.  I did not write, or verify,
all the information in this FAQ.  I have done my best to include only
accurate and useful information, but I cannot guarantee the correctness
of what is contained in this FAQ, regardless of the source, or even that
it will not be harmful to you or your hedgehog in some way.  For advice
from an expert, I recommend you consult the books listed in part 2 [2.1],
or, especially in the case of a suspected medical problem, a veterinarian
who is familiar with hedgehogs.

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Subject: CONTENTS OF THIS FILE

2. *** Where to get more information ***

   <2.1> What books are there on pet hedgehogs?
   <2.2> Is there any other information available on-line?
   <2.3> International Hedgehog Registry
   <2.4> Hedgehogs Welfare Society
   <2.5> International Hedgehog Association
   <2.6> Other hedgehog organizations
   <2.7> Miscellaneous hedgehog stuff and sources

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2. *** Where to get more information ***

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Subject: <2.1> What books are there on pet hedgehogs?

For a long time there was only a single tome available on our prickly little
friends, which was often referred to as ``The Hedgehog Book.''  With the
increasing popularity of hedgehogs, a number of books are now available.
There still seems to be little information on hedgehogs in print, especially
compared to most other animals, but this, fortunately, appears to be rapidly
changing.  Also, many, but not all, of the books that are commonly available
contain outdated information.

As of spring 1997 there are two new complementary books now out that have
virtually made all the previous offerings obsolete.

The first of these additions, is _The Hedgehog: An Owner's Guide to a Happy,
Healthy Pet_ by Dawn Wrobel and Dr. Susan Brown, DVM.  It is published by the
Howell Book House, and is available in pet stores that carry their Happy,
Healthy Pet series.  It is also available through the Spike and Friends
Catalog [2.7].  For those of you who want to order it, the ISBN number is
0-87605-501-3, and it is listed as having a price of $12.95 USD, or $17.95
CDN.

Having had the luxury of seeing some of the preliminary text (thanks Dawn!),
I had high expectations for the book, and when I got to see it, I was quite
amazed at how far it exceeded my imagination.  Simply put, this is a great
book, and one that no hedgehog owner should be without.  It is full of great
tips, ideas and great knowledge, accompanied by some fantastic pictures.  The
medical chapter by Dr. Susan Brown is more than worth the price in itself,
not that the rest of the book wouldn't be a bargain even without it.

Dawn's book is targeted at the pet owner, rather than the breeder, as has
been the case all too often in the past, and in this respect it succeeds
brilliantly.

The other great tome that was published about the same time as the one above,
is _The Pygmy Hedgehog a Perfect Pet_ by Sharon Massena with Bryan Smith.
Having now had the chance to see this book, I can attest that it is more than
worthwhile as well.  The best part about it, is that rather than being
another great hedgehog book, it is complementary to books like Dawn Wrobel's,
by addressing many different areas.  Here is the information I have on it:

       	The ISBN # is 0-9655629-1-3
       	The list price is $16.00 US and $19.00 CDN + post.

       	80 pages, soft cover, gloss pages with b/w and full colour photos.
        Contains limited standard info and full colour pics many of the
        standardized colours.  Also has club and show information.
       	-- Bryan Smith

Due to problems with the publisher, the easiest way to get the book is to
contact Sharon Massena herself.  You can contact Sharon Massena for more
information at:

       	Massena Menagerie
       	5502 Jordan Ave SE
       	Auburn, WA 98092
       	USA

       	phone: (253) 833-0470
       	fax: (253) 833-7490
       	email:  [email]
       	www: http://www.massena.com/sharon/

I should probably add a disclaimer here -- I have had numerous conversations
with Dawn and Bryan, and a bias in favour of either book could easily be
assigned to this.  In the case of Dawn's book, I read the advance text she
sent with the intent to essentially critique it -- expecting it to already be
dated in many ways (as most books have been by the time they get to print) or
just a rehash of what has gone before, and I came away honestly impressed.
Having now seen Sharon's and Bryan's book, the same feelings apply.  I'm sure
that I could nit-pick in minor places, but at most that's what it would be,
nit-picking about things that don't matter.  We finally have very good,
up-to-date books that can go a very long ways towards giving people the
information they need about keeping hedgehogs as pets, and providing them
happy healthy lives.

Going back a bit now, the book, often called ``The Hedgehog Book,'' is
actually titled _Everything You Wanted to Know About Hedgehogs But you didn't
know who to ask_ by Pat Storer.  This was one of the first books available on
pet hedgehogs.

Pat Storer has two books available on hedgehogs, and while there is
considerable crossover between the two, her newer book _Hedgehogs As Pets_
(my thanks to John Ofner for my copy) is targeted more at pet owners, while
the original ``Everything...'' is more oriented towards breeders.  These
books are, for all intents and purposes, the original formal tomes on pet
hedgehogs, and having one or the other was virtually a must for any hedgehog
keeper (keepee?).  While they don't cover absolutely everything, and they are
becoming a bit dated, now, they do provide a lot of very good information.
Both books cover areas of the other to some extent, so a pet owner looking
for basics on breeding will find it in _Hedgehogs As Pets_, while a breeder
can also find pet level information in ``Everything...''

Probably the most essential thing both offer is a reference section on
hedgehog health, body chemistry norms, and drugs (including quantities) that
have been safely used to treat hedgehog maladies.  Given that relatively few
veterinarians in North America have even heard of hedgehogs as pets, let
alone ever treated them, taking one of these books with you to a vet in time
of emergency could easily be a life saving act.

That's the good news; the problem is that these books are generally only
available directly from Pat Storer herself, although the Ain't No Creek Ranch
[2.7] also carries them.  In any case, here are the details:

      	Everything You Wanted to Know About Hedgehogs
       	  But you didn't know who to ask
       	Third Edition

       	Written and Compiled by Pat Storer
       	Country Storer Enterprises, Publisher
       	P.O. Box 160
       	Columbus, Texas   78934
       	USA

       	Fax:    (409) 732-9417
       	email:  [email]
       	www:    http://www.rzu2u.com/

       	Single Copies (In U.S.):     $29.00 US dollars + shipping
       	  by 4th Class Mail

        Please note that Pat Storer no longer takes orders by telephone,
        but she does by fax, and now has email access.

And,

       	Hedgehogs As Pets
       	First Edition

       	By Pat Storer
       	Country Storer Enterprises, Publisher
       	P.O. Box 160
       	Columbus, Texas   78934
       	USA

       	Fax:    (409) 732-9417
       	email:  [email]
       	www:    http://www.rzu2u.com/

       	Single Copies (In U.S.):     $22.00 US dollars + shipping
       	  by 4th Class Mail

Pat Storer now takes credit cards, but money orders are fine too.  The prices
and info above is up to date as of July 1997, thanks to Pat Storer herself.

There is one minor correction to ``Everything...'' that should be noted:

    The correct number for Rainbow Mealworms (mentioned in Storer's
    book) is 310-635-1494.
    -- Katherine Long

Other books on pet hedgehogs are also available and can be found at some book
stores, or by contacting the publishers directly.  I've listed the
information I have on them below. The first is with thanks to Elizabeth Jane
Monroe and Znofyl.

       	African Pygmy Hedgehogs as your New Pet
       	Dennis Kelsey-Wood, pics. by Ralph Lermayer
       	copyright 1995
       	distributed by T.F.H. Publications, Inc.,
       	One T.F.H. Plaza, Neptune City, NJ  07753

       	or  National Book Network, Inc.
       	4720 Boston Way, Lanham, MD  20706

       	or in Canada, H & L Pet Supplies Inc.,
       	27 Kingston Crescent, Kitchener, Ontario N2B 2T6

       	and other places.  ISBN # is 079380192-3

     Abstract:  ``This book represents the culmination of years of research by
     dedicated hedgehog breeders.  Dennis Kelsey-Wood has compiled, through
     intense research, interviews, and study, what I feel is the finest, most
     accurate, and complete gathering of hedgehog facts on husbandry,
     breeding, and care that has ever been assembled in one book.  From its
     accurate text to its superb photos, it is destined to become a classic
     and will no doubt be the standard for anyone interested in these
     fascinating animals.  Enjoy it and Happy Hedgehoggin!''

     Ralph M. Lermayer, [former - ed.] President, North American Hedgehog
     Association [now defunct - ed.]

     For anyone having a hard time finding it, you can call TFH directly
     at 1-908-988-8400, ext. 117 and order it from their customer service
     department.

This is a good book, especially for beginners (which is really where it is
directed).  It does not contain the health standards, and medicine usage
that are in other books, listed above, and is to my mind a good supplement,
but not a replacement for them -- especially if your veterinarian is not
well acquainted with hedgehogs.  I found it to be good reading, but it
always seemed to avoid a direct answer to most questions, lacking in real
detail.  I must admit, however, that the pictures alone were both great
entertainment, and very useful, giving an excellent glimpse of what a
healthy hedgehog should look like.  I'm still trying to figure out how the
photographers managed to avoid getting blurred pictures of all those busy
noses.

Dennis Kelsey-Wood has also released a second book (1996) called _Hedgehogs
Today_.  It can be ordered from TFH, etc., as with his earlier book.

       	Hedgehogs Today
       	Dennis Kelsey-Wood
       	copyright 1996
       	distributed by T.F.H. Publications, Inc.,
       	One T.F.H. Plaza, Neptune City, NJ  07753

       	ISBN # is 0-7938-0103-6

The information above came to me by way of Brenda Basinger.

Having had a chance to look at this book, I have to say the quality of the
photos is excellent.  That, however, is about the only good thing I can say.
The book is full of contradictions, and just plain bad advice.  It goes on to
suggest that you should ``always use a glove'' to hold a hedgehog (which
captions a picture of a person holding one in bare hands).  It also suggests
that a temperature range of from 60-75 degrees F, or 16-24 degrees C is okay,
when many hedgehogs will become unhealthy or even go into semi hibernation at
anything much below 70F/22C.  It shows multiple hedgehogs being kept in a
Tupperware container barely big enough to squeeze them into (although it says
it's not big enough for a ``long term home'' -- it's clearly not big enough
for anything more than carrying them across the room.  Finally, its listing
of states where hedgehogs are not allowed is totally misleading, and was
clearly the result of only the briefest research.  The book even shows
feeding of raw eggs to hedgehogs -- something that can all too easily result
in salmonella [6.2].

While there certainly are good points to this book, including excellent photos
showing how a healthy hedgehog should appear, the sheer weight of bad
information means I cannot recommend this as much beyond a photo album, and
definitely not as a starting point for beginners.

Information on another book, which is now widely available, was sent to me by
Tirya:

       	Hedgehogs:  A Complete Pet Owner's Manual

       	by Matthew M. Vriends, Ph.D.
       	pub: Barron's Educational Series, Inc.
       	ISBN:  0-8120-1141-4
       	Barron's Price:  $5.95 US

     Barron's has published numerous other pet books in their series, and
     they all seem to be well-received and easily available in pet shops.

     It's geared primarily towards the African, though it has a chapter on
     the European as kind of a compare/contrast thing.  It also has a
     chapter on breeding by Pat Storer.  A lot of good pictures and
     information, in an easy-to-read style, plus a chapter on ``Understanding
     Hedgehogs'' covering body language and sounds.  While it's by no means
     all-inclusive (is there a hedgie book yet that is?) it's a good read.
     -- Tirya

The book contains some medical information that complements other books quite
well, but, does not replace them.  However, some of the information is
seriously outdated, and other parts contradict statements made elsewhere in
the book.  The chapter by Pat Storer is taken almost verbatim out of her
books, but is a worthwhile addition to any hedgehog library, and if taken as
a whole, the book is quite good, and is, at the price, probably where most
new hedgehog keepers will start.

For people seeking more in depth information on hedgehogs in general,
including species, natural habitats, and research, another book, which came
out in 1994, thoroughly addresses many of these issues.

       	Hedgehogs
       	by Nigel Reeve
       	ISBN 0-85661-081-X
       	T & A D Poyser Ltd.
       	24-28 Oval Road
       	London NW1 7DX

In published form, this book is probably the best source of true, scientific
information on all types of hedgehogs.  Beyond this point, you probably need
to read scientific papers (30 pages of references to which are at the back of
this book, which gives you some clue to Dr. Reeve's efforts at research).
While it does focus primarily on hedgehogs in the wild, it does provide some
very useful insights into what makes our little friends tick.  I find myself
turning more and more to this book, all the time -- especially when someone
asks me a detailed question.  Unlike many scientific books, this one shows
the author had a real interest and excitement in his chosen topic of
research, rather than limiting himself to dry phrasing, an entertaining sense
of humour and wit shows through.

The book can be hard to come by in North America (the publisher does not
import it here), but it is available through the Exclusively Hedgehogs
catalog [2.7], and the Spike and Friends Collection [2.7].

While I am at it, Richard Saunders passed along word of another book that he
found.  This one appears to possibly be a local effort by a hedgehog breeder
on the west coast of Canada, but just in case, here is the information that
is available:

       	Hedgehogs
       	Hedgehog Handbook
       	- Everything You Need To Know To Raise Happy Healthy Hedgehogs

       	Written & Illustrated by Joan Baydala (Copyright, 1994)

    The small paperback book (64 pages) indicated Joan Baydala is located in
    Kelowna, B.C.  The book doesn't indicate a publisher or any ISBN
    reference.

      	Outline of the book is:
      	A Brief History (page 1-10)
      	Survival In The Wild (11-18)
      	Selecting Your Hedgehog (20-26)
      	Housing (27-34)
      	Care and Management (35-46)
      	Breeding (47-56)
      	Allergies (57)
      	A Few Last Words (58-59)
      	References (60)
      	Index (61-64)

Another resource for hedgehog information is the ``Exotic Market Review.''
This is a journal about exotic animals and pets, and is primarily intended for
breeders.  It contains articles on innumerable different animals that most of
us will never have heard of, but also contains an abundance of info on
hedgehogs.  Subscription rates are $10.00/yr. in the U.S., $30.00/US/yr. for
Canada, and $60.00/US/yr. foreign.  They can be contacted at:

       	EXOTIC Market Review
       	P.O. Box 1203
       	Bowie, Texas 76230
       	USA

       	phone: 1-800-460-3107

In addition to the books and journal, above, which are directly aimed at pet
hedgehogs, there are a number of books on European (or all types of)
hedgehogs which can be useful for pet owners and hedgehog lovers of all
types.  I would suggest looking at the listings in section [11.2] for other
books which might be of interest.

One final tidbit I can't resist adding.  I have heard of a number of new
hedgehog books that are in the works and (hopefully) due out over the coming
year or two.  Information on hedgehogs promises to continue to be
forthcoming.

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Subject: <2.2> Is there any other information available on-line?

Discussions of hedgehogs often come up in the rec.pets and on the
alt.fan.hedgehogs and alt.pets.hedgehogs Usenet newsgroups.  The FAQ ``Fleas,
Ticks and Your Pet'' is distributed on rec.pets, as well as listed in [9.4].
Several bulletin board systems keep pet FAQs and discussions, as does the
CompuServe Small Mammals forum.

I maintain a set of Hedgehog WWW pages that can be accessed at:
    http://HedgehogHollow.COM/

(Please Note: most my site is currently closed while under reconstruction --
I hope to have it reopened shortly, with the many out of date entries brought
up to date.)

Among the things available off my pages are links to all other hedgehog pages
I have found, and an HTMLized version of the FAQ.

The list of hedgehog web pages is growing rapidly -- I've been trying to keep
pointers to many of them off my own web page, but by now I'm starting to miss
many, I'm sure.  Feel free to email me if you have one to add to my list of
pointers, or if you find one of my links doesn't work -- I am running way
behind on checking, lately.  :-}

After several changes in location over the years, the original Hedgehog
Mailing List has, unfortunately, closed down.  Many thanks to all the folks
who looked after it through the years.

There are, however, a couple of hedgehog mailing lists that are up and
active.  Fist, is the Hedgehog Help list, and as the name implies is meant
for hedgehog help topics.  Both an individual message version and a digest
version of this list, are available.  One caution: this list is subject to
censorship by the list moderator, and not everyone can freely post to it.

You can join the regular (individual message) version by sending email to
the address:
    [email]

Or for the digest version, subscribe as above then send email to the
following address to switch to the digest:
    [email]

You can switch back to the individual (normal) version, by sending email to:
    [email]

And, of course, to unsubscribe, use the address:
    [email]

Last, and far from least, to send a message to the list, simply send it to:
    [email]

Alternately, there is the PigPogLives mailing list.  I have heard that the
PogPogLives list may have closed, but I have not confirmed this as yet.  The
instructions for accessing PigPogLives are almost identical to the Hedgehog
Help list:

You can join the regular (individual message) version by sending email to
the address:
    [email]

Or for the digest version, subscribe as above then send email to the
following address to switch to the digest:
    [email]

You can switch back to the individual (normal) version, by sending email to:
    [email]

And, of course, to unsubscribe, use the address:
    [email]

Last, and far from least, to send a message to the list, I believe the
address is:
    [email]

Next, another new list that looks very promising is the Hedgehogfun group.
Joining this list is probably most easily done through the web at:
    http://www.egroups.com/invite/Hedgehogfun
and click the ``JOIN'' button.  One caveat -- this appears to be a very busy
webserver, as I've had trouble connecting, although the list, itself seems to
be fine.

I believe you can also subscribe to this list by sending an email to:
    [email]
Probably with the word ``subscribe'' as the text of the message.

The list will send you a confirmation message, which you need to reply to.

To post messages to the list, send them to:
    [email]

To unsubscribe, send a message to:
    [email]
likely with the word ``unsubscribe'' as the text of the message.

My thanks to Pam (Russo) Powers for keeping me up on the info for the AOL
hedgehog chat session.

   The AOL hedgehog chat is on Thursday's at 7:00 P.M. EST
   We love to have new people stopping by.

   The chat is located in the Critter Chat room, located in the Pet Care
   Forum, keyword-Pet Care.

Finally, Dick Brisky of Brisky Pet Products is setting up yet another web
based chat off the YAHOO site.

   I wanted to let everyone know that I will be setting up a chat area at
   YAHOO ( http://chat.yahoo.com/ ) the first Wednesday of each month, from
   7PM to 8PM Eastern. If you're interested in learning more about our pet
   food products or in sharing any ideas or thoughts, stop in.

   To log-in you need to set-up an account there first (free), so stop by a
   couple of hours early if you don't have an account. After that all you
   have to do is search the ROOMS list for a room labeled BRISKY PET
   PRODUCTS and click in.
   - Dick Brisky

I know from my own dealings with Dick Brisky, that he is honestly interested
in things which will improve pet foods and products, and has always been very
open with any information he has had.  This should prove to be a good
variation on the other forums.

For those of you with ICQ access, Lisa Rowe, has set up an ICQ Hedgehog chat
room.  You can get more information about it at:

   http://www.webvoodoo.com/hedgies/

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Subject: <2.3> International Hedgehog Registry

Jennifer Young-Watson, with help from Antigone Means, has set up the
International Hedgehog Registry, to try and help track all pet hedgehogs.
Here's an excerpt from the registry information:

   This registry is setting out to register all the [pet] African Pygmy
   Hedgehogs.  We want to do this to a) take a census of all the Hedgehogs
   that are out there b) to cut down on unwanted inbreeding by unknowing
   breeders and c) to help track behavoral and genetic traits.

This is a great chance for your pets to help add to our knowledge about
hedgehogs, so please do register.  Registration is free, although for $10.00
U.S. they do provide a really nice registration certificate, should you want
one.

You can get more information, and register online at their web page:
(Note: new address as of June 2000 -- thanks to Jeffery Allen)
    http://www.hedgehogregistry.com/

or by mail to:

       	IHR Headquarters
       	Jennifer Young-Watson
       	P.O. Box 9880
       	Canoga Park, CA  91309-0880
       	USA

       	email:  [email]  (new as of Oct. 1998)

Other branches exist at:

      	IHR Southern Branch
       	Antigone (Tig) Means
       	Littlerock, AR
       	USA

       	email:  [email]

       	IHR Eastern Branch
       	Vera C. Rhoades
       	Trenton, NJ
      	USA

       	email:  [email]

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Subject: <2.4> Hedgehogs Welfare Society

The Hedgehog Welfare Society is a relatively new, and active group that has
come about.  Unlike many of the earlier organizations, this one seems to be
focused more on proper care, and welfare.  You can contact them at:

       	The Hedgehog Welfare Society
       	5308 21st Ave SW
       	Seattle, WA, 98106
       	USA

       	email: [email]
       	www:   http://www.hedgehogwelfare.org/