author: Aaron Schindler

subject: Re: Scale trading

text:
I agree that foodstuffs and energies are the best choices for scale trading.
Manufacturing inputs like lumber and industrial metals a close second.
These are things that people _need_, and although they might get really
cheap, they won't go to zero.  On the other hand, companies (i.e. stocks)
can and do go bankrupt, currencies can and do hyperinflate to worthlessness
taking bonds with them.  Precious metals aren't intrinsically precious.

I once tried scale trading gold -- buying a futures contract everytime gold
went down $10.  This was way too big for my little account at the time and I
blew out as gold dropped from $350 to $270 at the time.  I haven't tried
scale trading since and my mantra now is "the trend is your friend".  If
gold (or anything else) is falling, I'm more likely to be the seller taking
the other side of your scale trade.

Aaron Schindler

<[email]> wrote in message news:90sip4$u2e$[email]...


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Scale trading

text:
I'm not going to argue with what you do with your money. I have no use
for scale trading either stocks or commodities. Is just a betting
system that appeals to cognitive traits - anchoring and availability
heuristics - that feed deep emotional needs and throw people off in the
marketplace. It gives a false sense of security and is high on
opportunity costs.

Jan

In article <90sip4$u2e$[email]>,
  [email] wrote:

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.


subject: Re: Scale trading

text:
I'm not going to argue with what you do with your money. I have no use
for scale trading either stocks or commodities. Is just a betting
system that appeals to cognitive traits -called anchoring and
availability heuristics- that feed deep emotional needs and throw
people off in the marketplace. It gives a false sense of security and
is high on opportunity costs.

Jan

In article <90sip4$u2e$[email]>,
  [email] wrote:

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.


subject: Re: Scale trading

text:
even with foodstuff you have to be careful, In 98 I started scale trading
oats at around 130, seemed like a great idea at the time, the price dropped
to around 100 and I had to roll over into the next month at around 111 to
115 this happened to me about 5 times in a row, so at that point oats would
have to climb to close to 200 to get me out, if I had stayed with it I would
now be waiting for oats to hit 400 or 500 to get my money back out.
I don't think scale trading is necessarily a bad method, you just have to be
very careful and you have to have a huge account, and you have to have a
good idea where the market is going to turn, or at least a good idea that
the market is not going to just keep going down for long enough so that you
will never make your money back.

"Aaron Schindler" <[email]> wrote in
message news:ZByY5.88$[email]...
trading.
worthlessness
gold
I
taking
news:90sip4$u2e$[email]...


author: G-Artist

subject: Conflict of law?  1st A., McIntyre, Hiibbel, et al

text:
If it matters, I am in Florida.  I'll try to be as concise
as possible.

I am looking to and anticipate a not-too-distant future
legal encounter and would like some learned thoughts
on the matter.

Among other elections in my county, there will be one for sheriff.

The current occupant of that seat is a candidate along with
several deputies who resigned to run against that incompetent.
I think there is also one non-leo in the race.

I am a sign guy who specializes in campaign signs and materials
and whose home and business is serviced by the current useless
sheriff. I have no use for the incumbent and am working with several
opponents. I don't care who wins, as long it isn't the current sheriff.

I probably will be making some "free" signs that are anti the incumbent
for anyone who wants one or working with anyone who wants low-cost
signage to express their political opinion about the race.

Now under McIntyre v Ohio persons have the right to express their political
opinion w/o the need to identify themselves and in Florida an opinion by
the Division of Elections (de-9804) concurs pursuant to McIntyre plus a
Florida S.C. ruling (Doe vs. Mortham).

Here is what is likely to happen.

Whether it is an individual or folks gathering at an event of one sort
or another a deputy sheriff (or other LEO) who is supporting the current
administration will confront someone who is lawfully carrying a sign or
handbilling with a message that is anti the current sheriff, regardless
whether it contains any identifier or disclaimer, to learn their identity.
That is almost a given regardless of pretext for asking/demanding.

Under Hiibel, it seems like you cannot evade identifying yourself.  Yes, I
know from reading this newsgroup ("Must we show ID on request?") from
back in 05/06 that there has to be "reasonable suspicion" but that could
be anything, could it not? Florida has an "identify" law but seems to be
limited to loitering or prowling (F.S. 856.021).

As I see it SCOTUS ruled that anonymous political speech is a cornerstone
of the 1st Amendment yet there may well be a conflict of law re:Hiibel and
any other possible ruling(s) at the state and federal level.

What should someone do if (or better put, when) a deputy/LEO asks for
ID if the only thing they are doing is expressing their anonymous point
of view?

Thanks for any insight/thoughts you may provide.


subject: Re: Conflict of law? 1st A., McIntyre, Hiibbel, et al

text:
On Jul 11, 4:17=A0am, "G-Artist" <[email]> wrote:
[Aid & Abet Conciseness]

.

   No... You MISunderstand Hiibel, a Wholly CONTEMPTible Ruling...

   THUMBNAIL SKETCH of Hiibel: *WHERE There Exists* a Statute that
REQUIRES a Person ACCOSTED By a Suck-Ass Pig who is there [LAWFULLY]
*Investigating* ->"CRIME",<- to "IDentify" himself by "Stating His
Name", [AS OPPOSED TO Displaying IDentifying DOCuments] That Person
Commits an Offense when he REFUSES to so "Give his name"...

   The KEEPSAFE which Negates any such existing Statute REQUIRING a -
The INvoking Your [5th Am] Right Against Self-Incrimination...
Literally, "I Refuse To Answer That Question on the Grounds that
anything I say could be Used Against Me"...

   MMmm... You're Thinking of  a Substantially DIFFERENT "4th
Amendment" Encounter, but IN BOTH Circumstances, SAPs MUST have
"Reasonable Cause/Suspicion" that The Object Of their Inquiry Was/Is/
Will Do CRIME, BEFORE they can so much as say "Stand Still... I Wanna
Ask You Something..."

   _NO_... It ABSOLUTELY Could _NOT_... Suck-Ass Pigs would LOVE To
Believe that They could CONCOCT any Wild-Ass GUESS and Call It
*Reasonable* Suspicion... That Reasonble Suspicion Need NOT be
comprised of OBJECTIVE FACTS which the SAP could [MUST] Point To in
Justifying his "Detention" of a Citizen, but ANYTHING Other Than
Objective Facts simply "Doesn't Pay The Rent"...

   THIS Point is Absolutely Moot in these Circumstances anyway... EVEN
IF an Accosting SAP DOES have OBJECTIVE FACTS amounting to Reasonble
Suspicion that Crime Is Afoot, AND From That, Your Detention is
Justifible, You - and I CANNOT OVEREMPHASIZE This - You _CANNOT_ Be
Required - Let Alone Be Arrested For, REFUSING - To Answer SAP
Questions...

   AND Which has NO EFFECT What-So-Ever on the LAWFUL/Constitutional
Right to Picket and/or Pamphleteer... Or OTHERWISE Engage In
Constitutionally Protected Free Speech...

d

   NOPE... Neither Hiibel OR any other [CONTROLLING] S Ct Case Law *On
Point*, is Implicated in the Circumstances you lay out...

   First, DON"T Do This Alone... Have at least Two VideoCAM Operators
Recording All Events... Second, [And MOST Important] _NEVER_ WASTE
Three Seconds ARGUING _ANYTHING,_ Let Alone a Point Of Law, With a
Suck-Ass-Pig... Third, GO HERE: - http://www.aclu.org/FilesPDFs/dwb%20bust%=
20card7_04.pdf
- DOWNLOAD the [IN]Famous "ACLU Bust Card", PRINT MANY COPIES of same
and Pass `em Out to ALL Free Speech Participants; REQUIRING ALL To
READ & Understand The Explanations & Admonitions contained therein...
Fourth... IF Every FS Partisan READS & Comes To Understand said Bust
Card Explanations & Admonitions, I Don't have to Recite a Fourth
Undertaking... [ButIF I *were* to Recite a Fourth Undertaking, it
would be: "Develop a Spine, and IF/When Depity Dawg Accosts Anyone,
VIGOROUSLY Defend Your [OUR] Civil Rights by REFUSING To Answer SAP
Questions and/or INvoking Your 5th Am Right To REMAIN SILENT"... AND
PURSUE a Title 42, =A71983 Action IF/When Any SAP so much as Slaps On
Cuffs on Your Refusal To Answer, etc]

   And You ALL Will Be Better Citizens, Dutifully Upholding &
DEFENDING Your Constitution AND The INalienable Rights Expressed
Therein...

Naughtius "BONG HITS For Jesus" Maximus


author: Mike Jacobs

text:
On Jul 15, 7:27 am, [email] wrote:

Bad link.   The correct link is here:

http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14528res20040730.html

Not a bad suggestion.  Too bad I had to wade through an illegible mess
to find it.

Also, another friendly suggestion: calling the cop who is arresting
you a "suck-ass pig" to his face is a real good way to get beaten up.
They are only human.

The cop would be wrong, sure.   And you can sue him, sure.   Wouldn't
you rather avoid the beating, though?   I would.

As my mother of blessed memory used to say when teaching me to drive,
"Let the other guy go first.  You may be right, but you don't want to
be dead right."


author: Laurence Sheldon

subject: Trucking to Mars

text:
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/

Due to arrive in less than an hour and a half


author: Felix Dzherzhinsky

subject: Re: Trucking to Mars

text:
helluva long wait for backhaul, though...

"Laurence Sheldon" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: tscottme

subject: Re: Trucking to Mars

text:
"Felix Dzherzhinsky" <[email]> wrote in message
news:483a4939$0$4033$[email]...

Dispatch: "Just deadhead back to Georgia and we'll get you a load from
there."


author: Jan Drew

text:
For Immediate Release
Autism United
www.Autismunited.org
Contact Sid Schwartz
516-297-3111

NATIONAL AUTISM GROUP REACHES OUT TO JOHN TRAVOLTA

New York NY January 5, 2009 Autism United, a national group representing
over 15,000 parents of children with autism is reaching out to John Travolta
and Kelly Preston to join a nationwide public awareness campaign about
Autism.

Whether the death was related or not, the support of John Travolta would
bring a powerful message, Ain said. He is one of the most recogonized stars
of our time. But more importantly, his role as a parent who dealt with a
child suffering seizures, could help to educate thousands of families with
children suffering similar problems.

"This is a difficult time for John and Kelly, and our prayers are with
them," said Ain. "But this could be an opportunity for them to use their
son's death and their celebrity to help thousands of parents, who are caring
for sick youngsters.".

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,475724,00.html

But Travolta reportedly gave his son Depakote - an anti-seizure medication -
for years, TMZ reported. The family eventually stopped administering the
drug after it lost its effectiveness, cause Jett "serious physical damage,"
McDermott told TMZ.

The grand mal seizures from which Jett suffered were as frequent as once
every four days and were considered "extremely serious."

http://www.drugs.com/depakote.html

What is Depakote?

Feedback for Depakote

User Reviews Avg User Rating
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Depakote affects chemicals in the body that may be involved in causing
seizures.

Depakote is used to treat various types of seizure disorders. It is
sometimes used together with other seizure medications. It is also used to
treat the manic phase of bipolar disorders (manic-depressive illness), and
to prevent migraine headaches.

Depakote may also be used for other purposes not listed in this medication
guide.

Important information about Depakote
In rare cases, Depakote has caused life-threatening liver failure,
especially in children younger than 2 years old. Children may be at even
greater risk for liver problems if they use more than one seizure
medication, if they have a metabolic disorder, or if they have a brain
disease causing mental impairment (such as Creutzfeldt-Jacob disease,
Huntington disease, multiple sclerosis, or a brain injury or infection).
Seek emergency medical attention if the person taking this medicine has
nausea, vomiting, stomach pain, or loss of appetite, low fever, dark urine,
clay-colored stools, or jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes). These
symptoms may be early signs of liver damage. Some of these symptoms may also
be early signs of pancreatitis. Depakote can cause birth defects. Do not use
this medication without your doctor's consent if you are pregnant. Use an
effective form of birth control, and tell your doctor if you become pregnant
during treatment.

You may have thoughts about suicide while taking this medication. Your
doctor will need to check you at regular visits. Do not miss any scheduled
appointments.

Call your doctor at once if you have any new or worsening symptoms such as:
mood or behavior changes, depression, anxiety, or if you feel agitated,
hostile, restless, hyperactive (mentally or physically), or have thoughts
about suicide or hurting yourself.

Before taking Depakote
In rare cases, Depakote has caused life-threatening liver failure,
especially in children younger than 2 years old. Children of this age may be
at even greater risk for liver problems if they use more than one seizure
medication, if they have a metabolic disorder, or if they have a brain
disease causing mental impairment (such as Creutzfeldt-Jacob disease,
Huntington disease, multiple sclerosis, or a brain injury or infection).
Depakote has also caused rare cases of life-threatening pancreatitis
(inflammation of the pancreas). Pancreatitis can come on suddenly and
symptoms may start even after you have been taking Depakote for several
years. Do not take Depakote if you have liver disease or a urea cycle
disorder.

Before taking this medication, tell your doctor if you have:

a bleeding or blood clotting disorder;

a history of head injury, brain disorder, or coma;

a family history of a urea cycle disorder;

a family history of infant deaths with unknown cause; or

HIV or CMV (cytomegalovirus) infection.

If you have any of these conditions, you may need a dose adjustment or
special tests to safely take Depakote.

You may have thoughts about suicide while taking this medication. Tell your
doctor if you have new or worsening depression or suicidal thoughts during
the first several months of treatment, or whenever your dose is changed.

Your family or other caregivers should also be alert to changes in your mood
or symptoms. Your doctor will need to check you at regular visits. Do not
miss any scheduled appointments.

FDA pregnancy category D. This medication can cause harm to an unborn baby.
Do not use Depakote without your doctor's consent if you are pregnant. Tell
your doctor if you become pregnant during treatment. Depakote can cause
birth defects. Use an effective form of birth control while you are using
this medication. Depakote passes into breast milk and could harm a nursing
infant. Do not take this medication without telling your doctor if you are
breast-feeding a baby.


author: Peter Bowditch

subject: Re: NATIONAL AUTISM GROUP REACHES OUT TO JOHN TRAVOLTA

text:
"Jan Drew" <[email]> wrote:

How vile. These people couldn't even wait until Jett's body was cold
before exploiting his death. If you flushed them down the toilet the
sewer would reject them.


author: Arak

text:
On Jan 6, 4:11 pm, "Jan Drew" <[email]> wrote:

Question:

1.  What does this have to do with autism? This is the second
reference I've seen to Jett Travolta and autism, yet he was never
diagnosed as autistic.

Does anyone know for sure whether Jett Travolta was autistic?  I heard
that he had Kawasaki Syndrome, which is an inflammatory disorder that
affects a number of body systems and can kill if not treated properly.

Jan, I've seen all of your repeated ravings about depakote in this
thread but am deliberately ignoring them since you are just using
Jett's death to further your own agenda about the use of
pharmaceuticals, etc.

Shame on those autism societies and such who are exploiting Jett
Travolta's death in this manner (especially when this has nothing to
do with autism in the first place - you can speculate all you want,
but until the family comes out and says Jett was autistic, please give
it a rest!).

Arak /|\


author: Linda

text:
On Jan 6, 3:11 pm, "Jan Drew" <[email]> wrote:

Ahem!

That National Autims Group is effecting to EXPLOIT the misfortune of
the Travolta family to further their own agenda.....which is generally
sucking more money off hard working americans to pay research ho's
godzillions of dollars to dream up new ways of mass murdering people,
because,  members of the various health related criminal cartels
infiltrate all such groups and coopt them for their own agenda which
is always more money,  power,  and prestige for the mass murderers.


author: Mark Probert

text:
On Jan 6, 10:23 pm, Peter Bowditch <[email]> wrote:

Disagree. Jett was cremated.

Further, with Travolta belonging to the Kriminal Kult of $cientology,
it will be a real laugher when AU is rejected, since the $ceinos dny
the esitence of Autism. They are really stupid people.


text:
"Peter Bowditch" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Hypocrite, I notice you snipped the real meaning like you accuse others of.

Jan Drew" <[email]> wrote in message
news:%vR8l.1600$[email]...


author: Twittering One

text:
I don't know much about the reality of scientology today; but I read
that nowadays they tell their congregation to make sure they are
treated for real physical ailments.

Seizures are certainly identifiably physical.

In practice, I don't know if that is true.


author: Gareeth

text:
Arak wrote:

Rumours intensified a few years ago when some guy claimed that Travolta had
approached him as one father of an autistic kid to another. Scientology
doesn't even acknowledge autism exists so it was speculated that was the
reason that they claimed it was Kawasaki syndrome. I gather Jett's uncle and
several family friends also all thought it was autism.

I guess at this point no one will ever know. Jett had many symptoms that
were not consistent with Kawasaki syndrome including the seizures themself.
I don't really care one way or another. An autistic kid of celebrity parents
is still an autistic kid.
Yes I agree with that. Jett is dead and that is tragic as would any death of
someone that age. It shouldn't be used to further agendas.

Gareeth


author: Bob Badour

text:
Arak wrote:

 From what I understand, some organizations wanted to conscript the poor
boy to their service even when he was alive. From what I understand, as
well, these organizations have pointed to him as autistic many times,
and his father invariably reponded that he was not autistic but suffered
a seizure disorder related to kawasaki syndrome.

To me, it doesn't matter whether Jett met all of the behavioral
requirements for an autism diagnosis (and for all I know he did not).
What matters is he and his family have calmly and resolutely refused to
allow him to become an emblem for these organization in spite of their
disgusting efforts. These people--especially Jan--are despicable.

Hear! Hear!


text:
On Jan 12, 3:51 pm, Arak <[email]> wrote:

GR and AoA have Jenny and the other groups want their own spokesboob.


text:
On Jan 12, 11:43 pm, "Jan Drew" <[email]> wrote:

Jan.

Enough already.  Please. Just stop it.

Let this family mourn their son's death in peace, for the love of all
that is good and decent in this world.

Losing a child is not easy and while I have not personally experienced
this as a parent, our nephew died in an accident at the age of 16 back
in 2006 and it was devastating to the whole family. I can't begin to
tell you how hard that was for his parents, his friends and for the
rest of us in the family.

Arak /|\


text:
"Mark Probert" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
On Jan 6, 10:23 pm, Peter Bowditch <[email]> wrote:

Disagree. Jett was cremated.

 <snip off topic>

For Immediate Release
Autism United
www.Autismunited.org
Contact Sid Schwartz
516-297-3111

NATIONAL AUTISM GROUP REACHES OUT TO JOHN TRAVOLTA

New York NY January 5, 2009 Autism United, a national group representing
over 15,000 parents of children with autism is reaching out to John Travolta
and Kelly Preston to join a nationwide public awareness campaign about
Autism.

Whether the death was related or not, the support of John Travolta would
bring a powerful message, Ain said. He is one of the most recogonized stars
of our time. But more importantly, his role as a parent who dealt with a
child suffering seizures, could help to educate thousands of families with
children suffering similar problems.

"This is a difficult time for John and Kelly, and our prayers are with
them," said Ain. "But this could be an opportunity for them to use their
son's death and their celebrity to help thousands of parents, who are caring
for sick youngsters.".

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,475724,00.html

But Travolta reportedly gave his son Depakote - an anti-seizure medication -
for years, TMZ reported. The family eventually stopped administering the
drug after it lost its effectiveness, cause Jett "serious physical damage,"
McDermott told TMZ.

The grand mal seizures from which Jett suffered were as frequent as once
every four days and were considered "extremely serious."

http://www.drugs.com/depakote.html

What is Depakote?

Feedback for Depakote

User Reviews Avg User Rating
7 Reviews  7.0 Rate it!

Depakote affects chemicals in the body that may be involved in causing
seizures.

Depakote is used to treat various types of seizure disorders. It is
sometimes used together with other seizure medications. It is also used to
treat the manic phase of bipolar disorders (manic-depressive illness), and
to prevent migraine headaches.

Depakote may also be used for other purposes not listed in this medication
guide.

Important information about Depakote
In rare cases, Depakote has caused life-threatening liver failure,
especially in children younger than 2 years old. Children may be at even
greater risk for liver problems if they use more than one seizure
medication, if they have a metabolic disorder, or if they have a brain
disease causing mental impairment (such as Creutzfeldt-Jacob disease,
Huntington disease, multiple sclerosis, or a brain injury or infection).
Seek emergency medical attention if the person taking this medicine has
nausea, vomiting, stomach pain, or loss of appetite, low fever, dark urine,
clay-colored stools, or jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes). These
symptoms may be early signs of liver damage. Some of these symptoms may also
be early signs of pancreatitis. Depakote can cause birth defects. Do not use
this medication without your doctor's consent if you are pregnant. Use an
effective form of birth control, and tell your doctor if you become pregnant
during treatment.

You may have thoughts about suicide while taking this medication. Your
doctor will need to check you at regular visits. Do not miss any scheduled
appointments.

Call your doctor at once if you have any new or worsening symptoms such as:
mood or behavior changes, depression, anxiety, or if you feel agitated,
hostile, restless, hyperactive (mentally or physically), or have thoughts
about suicide or hurting yourself.

Before taking Depakote
In rare cases, Depakote has caused life-threatening liver failure,
especially in children younger than 2 years old. Children of this age may be
at even greater risk for liver problems if they use more than one seizure
medication, if they have a metabolic disorder, or if they have a brain
disease causing mental impairment (such as Creutzfeldt-Jacob disease,
Huntington disease, multiple sclerosis, or a brain injury or infection).
Depakote has also caused rare cases of life-threatening pancreatitis
(inflammation of the pancreas). Pancreatitis can come on suddenly and
symptoms may start even after you have been taking Depakote for several
years. Do not take Depakote if you have liver disease or a urea cycle
disorder.

Before taking this medication, tell your doctor if you have:

a bleeding or blood clotting disorder;

a history of head injury, brain disorder, or coma;

a family history of a urea cycle disorder;

a family history of infant deaths with unknown cause; or

HIV or CMV (cytomegalovirus) infection.

If you have any of these conditions, you may need a dose adjustment or
special tests to safely take Depakote.

You may have thoughts about suicide while taking this medication. Tell your
doctor if you have new or worsening depression or suicidal thoughts during
the first several months of treatment, or whenever your dose is changed.

Your family or other caregivers should also be alert to changes in your mood
or symptoms. Your doctor will need to check you at regular visits. Do not
miss any scheduled appointments.

FDA pregnancy category D. This medication can cause harm to an unborn baby.
Do not use Depakote without your doctor's consent if you are pregnant. Tell
your doctor if you become pregnant during treatment. Depakote can cause
birth defects. Use an effective form of birth control while you are using
this medication. Depakote passes into breast milk and could harm a nursing
infant. Do not take this medication without telling your doctor if you are
breast-feeding a baby.


text:
"Jan Drew" <[email]> wrote:

So you are saying that the first paragraph of the news item you posted
isn't related to the "real meaning" of the rest.

Here are the facts:

Jett Travolta died of a seizure. It had nothing to do with autism. A
gang of ghouls have grabbed onto his death to push their agenda.

<snip repetition of the news story about this appalling opportunism>


author: toto

text:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:47:40 GMT, "Gareeth" <[email]>
wrote:

Actually, I think it was the other way around.  The father of an
autistic child approached Travolta after seeing Jett in a restaurant.
It is true that John's brother believed that Jett was autistic, but
John always denied this and they argued because of it.  John's brother
produced and wrote Normal People Scare Me and wrote the theme song for
that docudrama.

It may have been true that he had Kawasaki as a toddler, but symptoms
of this disease rarely persist past 5 years old once it is treated
successfully.  Kawasaki has no relationship to seizure disorders.

It would appear that John Travolta did attempt to treat the seizures
with depakote.  I wonder if any other medicines were tried.  We will
probably never know.
Agreed.

The Travolta's have suffered a grievous loss.  From everything we
know, both Kelly and John loved Jett very much.  That they kept him
out of the public eye was very likely for his protection and comfort
rather than from embarrassment or shame about him as rumors have it.
His sister and he were also close according to news reports.  It has
to be very hard on her.

I wish that the family had gotten better treatment *if* Jett was
autistic, but we will never know what they really did.  Scientology
certainly does not acknowledge autism or any neurological or mental
conditions, but that does not mean that individual members like John
might not have gone against the teachings in their own case.


text:
"Arak" <[email]> wrote:

 Off topic diversion.


text:
"Jan Drew" <[email]> wrote:

Pardon? Discussion of the vileness of opportunists is off-topic in a
thread about those opportunists?

Please get a professional programmer to audit the JanBot code.

<snip repetition of news article about scumbags rejoicing over a
death>


text:
toto wrote:

While it is certainly true that seizure disorders are not a common
outcome from kawasaki, I don't think it is entirely fair to say kawasaki
has *no* relationship to seizure disorders.

When the Travolta's say Jett had a seizure disorder related to kawasaki
disease, they don't spell out how it is related. It could be Jett had an
iatrogenic brain injury as a result of treatment for kawasaki disease.
It could be Jett had a rare disease related to kawasaki that wasn't
quite kawasaki. For example, he may have had a disease that presented
externally similar to kawasaki but caused inflammation in the brain and
nervous system rather than in the heart and blood vessels. It could be
he had a disease entirely unrelated to kawasaki like scarlet fever or
toxic shock that was initially misdiagnosed and where the family doesn't
really understand the difference knowing only he was treated for
kawasaki and ended up with a seizure disorder.

Three things stand out in my mind: 1) the family never denied Jett faced
challenges, 2) the family are directly familiar with his medical history
whereas the rest of the world is not, 3) he had a very tragic
outcome--challenges or no. I am sure the Travoltas find his passing a
devastating tragedy, and my heart goes out to them.

The Travoltas have kept their statements on the subject minimal, and I
think we should all respect Jett's privacy as they clearly want us to.


text:
"Jan Drew" <[email]> wrote:

You just can't help yourself, can you, you thoughtless, heartless
bitch?

<snip repetition of story about a revolting attempt to capitalise on
someone's death>


text:
For Immediate Release
Autism United
www.Autismunited.org
Contact Sid Schwartz
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NATIONAL AUTISM GROUP REACHES OUT TO JOHN TRAVOLTA

New York NY January 5, 2009 Autism United, a national group representing
over 15,000 parents of children with autism is reaching out to John Travolta
and Kelly Preston to join a nationwide public awareness campaign about
Autism.

Whether the death was related or not, the support of John Travolta would
bring a powerful message, Ain said. He is one of the most recogonized stars
of our time. But more importantly, his role as a parent who dealt with a
child suffering seizures, could help to educate thousands of families with
children suffering similar problems.

"This is a difficult time for John and Kelly, and
******our prayers are with
them," said Ain.******

***** "But this could be an opportunity for them to use their
son's death and their celebrity to help thousands of parents, who are caring
for sick youngsters.". ******

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,475724,00.html

But Travolta reportedly gave his son Depakote - an anti-seizure medication -
for years, TMZ reported. The family eventually stopped administering the
drug after it lost its effectiveness, cause Jett "serious physical damage,"
McDermott told TMZ.

The grand mal seizures from which Jett suffered were as frequent as once
every four days and were considered "extremely serious."

http://www.drugs.com/depakote.html

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Depakote affects chemicals in the body that may be involved in causing
seizures.

Depakote is used to treat various types of seizure disorders. It is
sometimes used together with other seizure medications. It is also used to
treat the manic phase of bipolar disorders (manic-depressive illness), and
to prevent migraine headaches.

Depakote may also be used for other purposes not listed in this medication
guide.

Important information about Depakote
In rare cases, Depakote has caused life-threatening liver failure,
especially in children younger than 2 years old. Children may be at even
greater risk for liver problems if they use more than one seizure
medication, if they have a metabolic disorder, or if they have a brain
disease causing mental impairment (such as Creutzfeldt-Jacob disease,
Huntington disease, multiple sclerosis, or a brain injury or infection).
Seek emergency medical attention if the person taking this medicine has
nausea, vomiting, stomach pain, or loss of appetite, low fever, dark urine,
clay-colored stools, or jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes). These
symptoms may be early signs of liver damage. Some of these symptoms may also
be early signs of pancreatitis. Depakote can cause birth defects. Do not use
this medication without your doctor's consent if you are pregnant. Use an
effective form of birth control, and tell your doctor if you become pregnant
during treatment.

You may have thoughts about suicide while taking this medication. Your
doctor will need to check you at regular visits. Do not miss any scheduled
appointments.

Call your doctor at once if you have any new or worsening symptoms such as:
mood or behavior changes, depression, anxiety, or if you feel agitated,
hostile, restless, hyperactive (mentally or physically), or have thoughts
about suicide or hurting yourself.

Before taking Depakote
In rare cases, Depakote has caused life-threatening liver failure,
especially in children younger than 2 years old. Children of this age may be
at even greater risk for liver problems if they use more than one seizure
medication, if they have a metabolic disorder, or if they have a brain
disease causing mental impairment (such as Creutzfeldt-Jacob disease,
Huntington disease, multiple sclerosis, or a brain injury or infection).
Depakote has also caused rare cases of life-threatening pancreatitis
(inflammation of the pancreas). Pancreatitis can come on suddenly and
symptoms may start even after you have been taking Depakote for several
years. Do not take Depakote if you have liver disease or a urea cycle
disorder.

Before taking this medication, tell your doctor if you have:

a bleeding or blood clotting disorder;

a history of head injury, brain disorder, or coma;

a family history of a urea cycle disorder;

a family history of infant deaths with unknown cause; or

HIV or CMV (cytomegalovirus) infection.

If you have any of these conditions, you may need a dose adjustment or
special tests to safely take Depakote.

You may have thoughts about suicide while taking this medication. Tell your
doctor if you have new or worsening depression or suicidal thoughts during
the first several months of treatment, or whenever your dose is changed.

Your family or other caregivers should also be alert to changes in your mood
or symptoms. Your doctor will need to check you at regular visits. Do not
miss any scheduled appointments.

FDA pregnancy category D. This medication can cause harm to an unborn baby.
Do not use Depakote without your doctor's consent if you are pregnant. Tell
your doctor if you become pregnant during treatment. Depakote can cause
birth defects. Use an effective form of birth control while you are using
this medication. Depakote passes into breast milk and could harm a nursing
infant. Do not take this medication without telling your doctor if you are
breast-feeding a baby.


author: Dena Jo

subject: Re: PING: Alan Brooks

text:
On 14 Feb 2005, Jeri Jo Thomas posted thus:

I'm not Alan, nor do I play him on TV, but your post came through with
no problem.


author: Alan Brooks

subject: Re: Alan Brooks

text:
Jeri Jo Thomas wrote:

That came through, loud 'n clear.

There seems to be some sort of delay in the posting server this morning.
It's taking as much as an hour for things to appear.  I'm looking into
it.

                Alan Brooks
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author: Jacques E. Bouchard

subject: Re: PING: Alan Brooks

text:
Jeri Jo Thomas <[email]> wrote in news:cuq9e1$j4h$1
@reader2.panix.com:

Isn't this meant for Bill the cat?

jaybee


author: RonB

subject: Re: PING: Alan Brooks

text:
On Mon 14 Feb 2005 05:34:57a, Jeri Jo Thomas, wrote:

I see it LOUD and clear!

Looks like some kind of bug has been worked out.


subject: Re: Astrologer's Prediction: SPAM?

text:
Trade confirmed from: "J. White" <[email]> Order details:

Yep, thats something weve  agreed on 100% for a long time.

Though forecasting is fun to do, pointless but fun ;), and very useful
for impressing newbies :), who can't comprehend that the key really is
in concentrating on the present.

When it comes down to it, Ive found the single most important element
in trading is setting position reverse stops and then religiously
obeying them when triggered. To do that one needs to have 100% trust
and faith in the triggering mechanism.

Mr 50%
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author: bookers

subject: Miss Personality

text:
Does anyone watch Miss Personality???

Who do you think is gonna win???


author: Unadulterated Me

subject: Re: Miss Personality

text:
bookers wrote:

I'm pretty sure this is only a New Zealand and maybe Aus programme so
you may not want to hold your breath for replies.
Or maybe post it to a newsgroup who would be more interested like
nz.general, they would love to discuss this with you there I'm sure,
maybe there is already a thread going on it, you should subscribe.

Andrea


subject: Re: Miss Personality

text:
"Unadulterated Me" <[email]> wrote in message
news:cvbhvg$ep2$[email]...
  ----------------

  I meant to post it in the nz newsgroup but did the wrong one.


author: Edwin L.

subject: Past the Enrolled Agent Exam/IRS Denial

text:
I passed the enrolled agent examination in 2001 and completed the
"Application for Enrollment to Practice Before the IRS" (Form 23) and
paid the application fee five months ago.  Today, I received an IRS
letter from the Director of Practice, with a proposal that my
application be denied for failing to disclose that I was assessed
estimated tax/or failure to pay penalties for the years 1996, 1999,
and 2000.  All taxes and estimated tax penalties have been paid at the
time the returns were filed, which were timely.

In Form 23, under 9a, it ask if I was assessed any penalties for the
proceeding 3 years, this is the question where I answered "No",
looking back now I should have answered "Yes" instead.  The IRS named
year 1996 which is past the "proceeding 3 year question," and 1999 I
had no tax penalty, but in 2000 I did have an estimated tax penalty of
approximately $1,054, which was paid at the time of filing my return.

I am worried that I will not obtain my enrollment because of this
problem, considering all the hard effort I put in the study time to
past this vigorous two-day exam; it's a shame to be denied EA status
as a result of this problem.

Have any of you experienced this problem?  Can anyone share some
comments to help me with my problem?

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.


author: D. Stussy

subject: Re: Past the Enrolled Agent Exam/IRS Denial

text:
On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Paul J. Berg wrote:

I have to wonder, did anyone actually bother to report them to the Director of
Practice?  Aren't they still under investigation, so the public can have a
second shot at them when (not if) they are convicted?


author: Helen P. OPlanick EA

text:
There is an appeal process, I would most definitely try it and you just may
want to contact NAEA (National Assn of Enrolled Agents) at www.naea.org for
more suggestions.

Helen, EA in PA
Director, NAEA; Member of The Tax Gang
President, PA Society of Enrolled Agents
1040EZ and 1040A tax prep at www.1040.com/1040pro


text:
On 2 Nov 2002, Edwin L. wrote:

The ETP really isn't a "penalty" in form but really an interest assessment,
unlike the other penalties which are based on a flat percentage of tax due to
certain acts (or the early withdrawl from a pension/IRA which is really an
excise tax).

If in your case, you had reported this "penalty" on the return (and it wasn't
assessed later), consider appealing the decision.  Note that such an appeal
could take time - it's supposed to be less than a year, but I am aware of a
situation where the Secretary failed to act after several years and the
applicant went to the U.S. District Court to get a Writ of Mandamus to compel an
answer (which was then forthcoming within 3 months and in the applicant's
favor).


author: Gregory A. Miller

subject: Items Forsale... Reasonable Offers Considered...

text:
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any reasonable offer but would obviously like to see the
asking price...

1.) USRobotics Courrier HST Dual Standard Modem. Like new
condition, well cared for, reliable. Paid over 450.00 new,
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2.) Nikkon 500mm lens, F8, in hard leather case, complete set
of filters. This lens has seen action only once. Kept in a
humidity and temperature controlled environment for duration
of ownership. You can bet it is FLAWLESS! $450.00 Firm...

3.) Complete MainLan Gti 3.0 LAN 5 node setup. Including all
interface cards, manuals, and software. $450.00 Firm...

Please email responses including a daytime (CST) phone number
to the following address:

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Thanks...


author: Lance Lamboy

subject: Re: REPUBLICANS PLAN PUSH FOR ELIMINATION OF IRS

text:
On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:06:27 -0400, ZombyWoof wrote:

Yeah we have dubya instead.

The stated goal might be to combat terrorism, but the actual victims are
primarily Moslems who have nothing to do with terrorism.


author: Rod Speed

text:
"Lance Lamboy" <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...

Hell of a lot easier to get rid of if enough decide he's past his useby date.

Bullshit. The primary victims were Saddam and his collection of arseholes.


author: Rick

text:
"Rod Speed" <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...

The families and friends of 12,000 Iraqi civilians who were
slaughtered during the invasion would beg to differ with you.

If al Qaeda didn't have Iraqi volunteers before the invasion,
they sure as hell won't have any problem finding them now.
Good job, George.  What a way to make America more
secure.

Rick


text:
Rick wrote:

Sounds like you love numbers.  So tell me.  Assuming 12,000 Iraqi Non
Combatants were killed in the battle and we sent that ass Sadam
underground where he became inefective, what sort of number do you
suppose we in effect actually saved from dying?  If we hadn't gone to
war in Iraq and saved all those sensless killings by Sadam, folks like
you would be whinning here constantly.  Bottom line, you just have to whine.

Ed
USA Ret


text:
"Rick" <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...

Another of your lies.

AND Saddam and his goons killed a HELL of
a lot more than that themselves, anyway, fool.

Irrelevant.

He basically just wanted to fuck over Saddam and he did that very well.


author: Timm Simpkins

text:
"Rick" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
news:[email]...
news:[email]...
"owned"
an
date.
anywhere
teachings
own
arseholes.

If I remember correctly, your savior Kerry voted to go to war too.  Maybe my
memory fails me....nope, diagnostics check out fine.


text:
"HawkCW4" <[email]> wrote in message news:k%vQc.1710$xk.1191@fed1read01...

Perception means more than numbers.  Saddam was an ass, but
at least he was one of their own -- it was THEIR problem.  But
since the invasion, have you seen the nightly news broadcasts in
Iraq?  CSPAN showed one when Colin Powell was there last
week.  I was absolutely stunned.  WE are now perceived as the
evil mass murderers.  Their own media is portraying us as an
invading enemy to be defeated, and inciting the population to
insurgency against our sons and daughters.

The only form of government weaker than dictatorship is one
that is perceived by the people to be a puppet government of
another country.  And that's what the perception is in Iraq.

Rick


text:
"Rod Speed" <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...

Ah, a true patriot.

*plonk*


author: Vicki Szaszvari

text:
Timm Simpkins wrote:

      And he VOTED AGAINST ARMING THEM AND GIVING THEM PROTECTIVE WEAR.
  What a prick.  If he had his way, our military would be armed with
stone knives wearing bearskins.


text:
Rick wrote:

I know you mean well Rick, but turn to any news cast in any large US
City and you will find the same sort of things going on.  Some folks
just like to bitch.  Now, you give me honest numbers of those against
the US and the overthrow of Sadam Vs the numbers that are all for what
we are doing and I will be the first to give you your due.  So far those
sorts of 'news broadcasts' have mostly been spun so far out of reality
you can't even begin to accept them as proof of anything.

Look, you can send a good film crew to a Hawaian Lu-Ouch or what ever
that is, and they can make it look like the aftermath of a Nuke attack.

Ed
USA Ret


text:
Rick <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Yes, many of them actually are that stupid.

Yes, plenty of those actually are that stupid too.

Mindlessly simplistic. Have fun explaining why that was not the
perception in Germany, Japan and France as WW2 ended.

You can make a case that there must be one hell of a problem
between the ears of most of the fools that 'live' in Iraq if they
cant manage to work out for themselves what actually happened.

Even with say South Korea and Okinawa, while there
are some fools that want the yanks out, they arent
anything like as stupid as the stupid rag heads in Iraq.

Presumably what those raghead fools have between their
ears is a large part of the reason that entire region has
been such a complete obscenity for well over a century now.

Lot of similarity to the fools in the old Yugoslavia in many ways.

Clearly just ignoring them aint gunna work, most
obviously with the invasion of Kuwait and with Rwanda.


text:
"Rick" <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...
news:k%vQc.1710$xk.1191@fed1read01...
whine.

The mark of a good leader is one that will do what is right regardless of
what it will make others think of him.  I don't give two shits about what
other countries think of us.  They'll get over it.  The funny thing is,
people like you seem to think that it's okay to go to war against a
genocidal maniac as long as the president in charge at the time is a
Democrat.  What was the whole reason we went into Yugoslavia?  Now that the
leader is Republican, the roles are switched.  The Republicans, instead of
demonizing the president as they did when Clinton went into Yugoslavia,
praise him, and the Democrats, instead of supporting the president as they
did with Clinton, demonize him for freeing a country from a ruthless
dictator that killed more of his own people than the US ever will.  The
truth is somewhere in the middle.  That truth is, the world is a much better
place with Saddam gone, and that the world is a better place with Milosavich
gone.  Whether or not we should have taken action in either of those
instances is debatable, but if you were supportive of Clinton then you have
no right to argue against the same result.

Again, I could care less what they believe.  They'll get over it.


text:
"HawkCW4" <[email]> wrote in message news:sAAQc.1731$xk.720@fed1read01...

And some folks listen to nothing but Fox News and remain
abysmally ignorant of the reality around them.

The first (and so far, only) independent survey of the Iraqi
people since the invasion was published just last week.  Read
it yourself.  While not all the news is bad, it definitely paints a
much different picture than the one being painted by Bush and
his media mouthpieces.
http://www.csis.org/isp/pcr/0407_Capturing_Iraqi_Voices.pdf

See above.  If CSPAN rebroadcasts CSIS's press conference
be sure to watch.  They go into much more detail about the
state of affairs in Iraq than what's presented in the survey.

Rick


text:
"simpkins_fucker" <[email]> wrote in message news:41129e87$0$16343$[email]...

That's easy.  It's because we merely restored the former
pre-Nazi governments in Germany and France, while Japan
was a different case altogether -- there was no ground
invasion by Allied forces in Japan.

What we didn't do in any of these cases was try and impose a
new and unwelcome form of government on these countries.
Iraq is the mistake of Vietnam all over again.  58,000 dead
American kids later and the people of Vietnam STILL got the
government they wanted in the first place.

No argument there.  Tends to spark at least a bit of sympathy
for Hussein.  After all, he was the one dealing with these Islamic
fundy whackos long before we got involved.

The vast majority of this "complete obscenity" can be placed
at the feet of just one country.  Great Britain.  They were the
ones who colonized the region and handed out independence
as if it was theirs to give in the first place.

Rick


text:
"Rick" <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...
news:sAAQc.1731$xk.720@fed1read01...
news:k%vQc.1710$xk.1191@fed1read01...
whine.

It doesn't paint any different picture than those of us who actually pay
attention already know.  You said that we were perceived as being evil mass
murderers, and that link does not show that to be true.  You said that we
were being portrayed as an invading enemy to be defeated, but that doesn't
show that to be true.  Personally, I watch FOX News, along with MSNBC and
occasionally CNN.  I have noticed that while MSNBC and CNN generally try to
portray the US as being extremely unwanted in Iraq, FOX is actually
representing things as they seem to be.  Apparently you don't watch FOX
News, otherwise you would know that.  I watched an interview with someone
that recently came from Iraq and they explained that the people there felt
basically identically to what your link says.  It would seem to me that FOX
has them all beat.

The only place that I hear nothing but good reports about what people think
in Iraq are the few uninformed posts on the internet, and on some radio talk
shows.  Then there is the media who has it totally opposite of that much of
the time, then there is FOX who has your abismally ignorant ass in a sling
for that statement.

So you're saying that their report is incorrect?  The numbers they use on
that document are false?  What are you saying.  Those numbers look very
respectable considering what has gone on and is going on over there.  That
document says that people are most worried about governance, but they are
optomistic that once they elect a government that things will be better.

Anyway, I really could care less about what they are saying about us over
there.  They'll be just like every other country we've bailed out over the
years and hate us for it while enjoying their freedom.


text:
"Rick" <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...
news:41129e87$0$16343$[email]...
like you
whine.

This just shows how clueless you are.  We did not impose any form of
government in any country, including Iraq.  We preferred it be a democracy,
and the method used to determine what that government would become was
democratic, but they chose a democracy on their own.  That's the same thing
we did with Afghanistan, Japan, Germany, and every other country we have
invaded.  The differenc now is that we have one party of uber-patriots and
another party of anti-patriots.  That atmosphere breeds hate and rhetoric,
and your blatant misrepresentation of the truth is only evidence of that
fact.  Being either a Democrat or a Republican has never had the nation so
polarized as it has gotten since Clinton was elected.  Clinton did some
things that Republicans will never forgive him for, and in response cranked
up the rhetoric and political pressure to a point, then feeling pressured
Democrats cranked it up another notch.  The party in power always seems to
be the most sane because their party has nothing to prove.  The republicans
were acting insane during Clinton's presidency, and Democrats have just
totally gone off the deep end.  It's scary actually.  The fact that such
utter nonsense can be spewed from the mouths of the politically dishonest
and it is repeated and believed by those who know almost nothing of politics
except what face is portrayed to them on the evening news.

Get rid of both parties and start over before we all end up as uninformed as
Rick.


text:
Rick <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

We'll see.

You clearly dont actually have a clue about
even the most basic german history of that time.

Mindless stuff. Have fun explaining okinawa.

You clearly dont actually have a clue about even the most
basic history on that. That is PRECISELY what we did.

Not a fucking clue to its name.

Not a fucking clue to its name.

And have fun explaining Korea, fool.

Sure. Pity about the immense pile of
corpses he produced in the process.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you aint
actually gotta clue about even the most basic history.

Just like the yanks did in the Philippines eh ?

Havent given Hawaii back yet tho.


text:
"Timm Simpkins" <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...

No wonder you're so sheltered.  Two of those are nothing
but fascist mouthpieces.  Fox News is not news, it's fascist
propaganda.  And MSNBC?  Right, they were the ones who,
as part of the Bush/Rove propaganda campaign gave us
"Countdown to Iraq", 24/7, continuously for SIX MONTHS
prior to the invasion:
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20011210&s=cooper

The press conference reveals some of the hows and whys of
the numbers.  For example, one of the reasons the results look
artificially positive (and Rick Barton admitted this openly) is
because entire regions of Iraq were excluded from the survey.
We learn that in large cities such as Basra the populations are
so upset with the U.S. that the surveyors feared violence of
the masses, and for their lives.  No data was obtainable for
those regions.

We also learn (in Crocker's words) that "most Iraqis view
the new government as a puppet of the U.S.", and are
unsupportive of it.  The written survey minces these words
rather skillfully, but the bottom line is that "governance" is
flopping -- big time -- in virtually the entire country.

Rick


text:
"Timm Simpkins" <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...

Pot.  Kettle.  Black.

Rick


author: bill

text:
In article <[email]>, "Rick" <[email]>
wrote:

You are too stupid to breathe. You need to check your sources better.
I bet you miss the humor of the link you posted.

And his adgenda is...

Dummy.


author: paco

subject: Nineteen ZIP disks

text:
NINETEEN YES (19)! 100 MB ZIP media disks, formatted in WIN/DOS
format.  IomegaWareï¿½ software loaded on all Zip media disks: MacOS and
WIN/DOS drivers, and PDF manuals. All tested and in perfect working
condition.

See at ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2019748434


author: Jeffrey Hsu

subject: building up weak ankles

text:
I frequently twist my ankles and I was wondering if there was any way to
strengthen the lateral stability of my ankles.  I do calf raises, but
doesn't help any with lateral motions.  Unfortunately, the sports I practice,
such as gymnastics, do not allow the use of sneakers with high ankle supports.

								Jeffrey


author: Brian Berube

subject: Re: building up weak ankles

text:
In article <2cv1mb$[email]> [email] (Jeffrey Hsu) writes:

There are devices you can purchase which will work, however they are pretty
expensive (around $400).  I made a device which works well for me.  Take a
stainless steel salad bowl (8" dia.) and attach an oval board or piece of
sheet metal to it.  In my case, I cut an oval piece of sheet metal approx.
24 inches x 18 inches and welded it to the salad bowl.  I then placed a piece
of adhesive backed sand paper on top.  While being supported by a chair,
place one foot on the sand paper and rotate the ankle so that the edge of
of the oval just touches the floor.  You can rotate the ankle at just about
any angle.  The trick is to to use control and perform the movement slowly.
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|Brian Berube                          | Internet: [email]|
|Motorola Central Systems Engineering  |    X.400: [email]|
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+


subject: Re: building up weak ankles

text:
In article <2cv1mb$[email]> [email] (Jeffrey Hsu) writes:

Hi Jeffrey!
Have you tried.....
	Rollerblading?
	Ice Skating?

Keith R


author: Joe Wisniewski x8421

subject: Re: building up weak ankles

text:
In article [email], [email] (Jeffrey Hsu) writes:

I am interested in this also. Have had this problem for years. Lots of sprained
ankles. Even had an _experience_ where during a basketball game, came down with
both feet on others feet and sprained both ankles at the same time!! Talk about
embarrassing!!!

I was under the impression though that the major contributing factors to weak
ankles are _loose_ ligaments, and I thought that once these are stretched, it is
permanent, except for surgery to _tighten them up_.

Is it true therefore that a potential negative side effect to having _strong_
ankles would be that a given occurence that results in a sprain for someone with
weak ankles _may_ manifest itself as an ankle break if you have _strong_ ankles;
i.e. the ligaments don't give so something has to give????

Joe Wisniewski
[email]


author: Raymond Chong

subject: Re: building up weak ankles

text:
In article <2cv1mb$[email]>, [email] (Jeffrey
Hsu) wrote:

there are certain exercises to strengthen muscles that cross the ankle
joint.

however, another emphasis that you must not neglect is proprioceptive
rehabilitation. when a joint is hurt (from sprain, etc) the sensitivity to
changes in joint angles is decreased. as such, a major aspect of the rehab
is to perform exercises that require the use of these joint receptors.

on the ankle, do the following exercises (without pain):

1) stand on one leg, first looking at the ground, and later looking ahead
(at the TV or some other scenaries) without having to look down to maintain
balance; eventually perform these exercises with eyes closed (watchout!)

2) stand on one leg, lean forward, backward, sideways as far as you can
without losing balance.

3) lie on your back, and use your foot to trace out the letters of the
alphabets.

4) place the sole of your foot over a spherical ball and roll around it;

5) loop an elastic band arould your good ankle, tie the other end to
something fixed, like the TV stand. move the leg forward, backward,
sideways against the resistance of the elastic band;

6) hop in place;

7) hop forward, backward, sideways in different combinations and sequences;

8) do shuttle runs (changing directions as fast as possible while running
at high speed (watchout!)

and now for strengthening exercises:

1) spread a towel on the floor, use your toes to pull the towel towards
you;

2) heel raises;

3) loop the elastic band around the arch of the bad foot; perform
supination and pronation exercises;

hope this helps!


author: Dahner

subject: Re: building up weak ankles

text:
I have this problem as well.  When I was getting physical therapy for
injuries from a car accident (not related to my ankle), I noticed some
patients using a blue plastic ball with a ring around it to do rotating
exercises with their ankle.  Does anyone know if this is a good way to
strengthen the muscles in the ankle, and where I could get one?


author: Rick Ratchford

subject: Re: SnP 500 Mini

text:
Well, this SnP forecast posted on 12/17 (originally 12/16 though the server
died..no matter) would have stuffed quite a few stockings I'd say.

Notice how quiet it gets on the good calls and all the noise when a bad call
comes around?

;)

Fdate Trader wrote in message <678uu3$hai$[email]>...
Friday.


author: $Zero

text:
Music Can't Change the World -- Neil Young

  http://preview.tinyurl.com/32dfdt
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/08/neil-young-music-cant-c_n_85747.html

is that guy a genius, or what?

-$Zero...

  losing your confidence
  http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/68390ef28dcd7685


author: Bill Penrose

subject: Re: Music Can't Change the World -- Neil Young

text:
On Feb 8, 3:31 pm, "$Zero" <[email]> wrote:

Did music ever have the power to change the world? The Vietnam war
wasn't ended by protest songs, it was ended when the draft was made
fair, by lottery. When the Cheneys and the Bushes (1) couldn't buy
their way out of service, the war stopped.

DB
Note 1: And the Clintons, too.


text:
On Feb 8, 7:55�pm, Bill Penrose <[email]> wrote:

yes.

and it still does.

isn't your world changed when you play a song?

is your world the same when you're listening to Beethoven's 9th?

is it any different when you're listening to Eno's Music for Airports?

or The Beatle's Because?

or The Carpenters or Sinatra or whatever?

my world changes song by song.

and silence by silence.

thought by thought.

beauty by beauty.

fear by fear.

faith by faith.

yes it was.

whether those "songs" used music or not.

music is inspirational and unifying.

those people can always buy their way out of service.

drafts don't change that fact.

  "Don't... stop... thinking about tomorrow..."

-$Zero...

  funniest two-word joke of all time
  http://i32.tinypic.com/294l7iw.jpg


author: Henry

subject: WTB/WTT: AMDK62 400-500mhz cpu, sound cards, 56K modems, sdram & other stuff

text:
I would like to buy or preferably TRADE for an AMDK62-400 cpu or higher
(500,533,550). The best deal on pricewatch is $25 shipped, so it has to be
better than that. I could use a 2-3 cpu's. I want them for these socket7
boards I have that go up that high.
I also need some other computer parts:
56k modems with drivers that work.
sound cards, ISA or PCI, doesn't matter, as long as they work and the
drivers are built in to windows or easy to find.
4x or HIGHER IDE cdrom drives (must be IDE, no proprietary panasonic 2x
crap).
cheap scsi cards, Adaptec 2940 or other brand, prefer pci
128, 64 & 32 mb sdram DIMMS, pc66 or pc100, name brand, no cheap generic
4layer board crap, prefer micron or samsung

I have several items to trade:
400mhz celeron socket370 cpu's (about 3 of them)
socket370 atx mb 66mhz fsb onboard vid&snd
pcchips M748 mb - socket370 and slot1, everything onboard upto 800mhz or
higher.
Pentium II-233mhz cpu
Pentium 200mhz mmx (qty 3)
Pentium 166mhz mmx (qty 3)
various pci video cards (mostly 1 meg)
various pci network cards (10/100)
various isa network cards (10baseT)
HP inkjet printers that actually work and include the power supply (no ink)
slow HP laserjet IIP printers (and one cannon)
16port 10baseT hub with uplink
qty 13 1.44mb floppy drives
two old smart and friendly 2x scsi burners (they work, but only burn 650mb
cd's)
4gb micropolis scsi hard drive (loud & ugly).
various 2x,4x,8x scsi cdrom drives
LS120 drive w/1 disk. (ide connection)
All of the parts I listed above does actually work and is guaranteed. (I
also have more stuff, but that's off the top of my head)
I also have a playstation1 with mod chip installed (works great)

note: I have my own UPS account, and prefer that you send me any items using
my own account.....


author: Ani

subject: world centre

text:
My father lives in Africa is sufering from diabetes.
Now he has developed an eye problem. Can anyone tell me where diabetic
center is found in Nigeria or the best place to get this  information?.
What can I do to  help him out in his condition.
Is there any equipment he can  use to keep under control this eye problem?
Thnx


author: Nan Eklund

subject: Re: world centre

text:
Someone give him the computer links to MedLine and other major research.
Nan, Type 2


subject: Re: world centre

text:
http://www.nei.nih.gov/health/diabetic/retinopathy.htm

there is a lot of information on this page. Maybe you could read up on
it and let your father know what you learned. I suffer from this
disease and have had both the laser and vatrectimy mentioned on that
site, so if you have any questions I would be happy to do my best to
answer them.

karen

[email] (Nan Eklund) wrote in message news:<[email]>...


subject: Sociological Questions: Film Industry Control

text:
Saying that "Jews control the Hollywood film industry" is NOT the same thing
as saying that "the Hollywood film industry is controlled by Jews."

Whereas the first statement is false, the second statement has some truth to
it. The more accurate truth might be, "the Hollywood film industry is
controlled by liberal, not very religious Jewish males of European
heritage."  (See http://www.homevideo.net/FIRM/control.htm)

But this brings up a set of questions:

Is the Hollywood film industry controlled mostly by Liberals?
Is the Hollywood film industry controlled mostly by Jews?
Is the Hollywood film industry controlled mostly by Males?
Is the Hollywood film industry controlled mostly by Europeans?

In other words, which factor contributes the most to the cohesion of the
control group, or, which factor is dominant? Which is least dominant?

Let's say, for instance, it's found that 90% of the cohesion of the
Hollywood film industry's control group is contributed by the factor that it
is predominantly liberal. What does this tell us about the above
relationship between the statement "the Hollywood film industry is
controlled by liberal, not very religious Jewish males of European heritage"
and the statements: "the Hollywood film industry is controlled by liberals,"
"the Hollywood film industry is controlled by Jews," "the Hollywood film
industry is controlled by males," and the "the Hollywood film industry is
controlled by Europeans"?

And what does this tell us about the connection between the statements:
"Jews control the Hollywood film industry" and "the Hollywood film industry
is controlled by Jews"?

Lastly, and most importantly, this brings up a new series of questions:

Do Liberals in general CONDONE the Hollywood film industry?
Do Jews in general CONDONE the Hollywood film industry?
Do Males in general CONDONE the Hollywood film industry?
Do Europeans in general CONDONE the Hollywood film industry?

If so, by how much, or how, little does EACH group above CONDONE the
Hollywood film industry's business practices.(1)

If, say, 90% of Jews in general condone the Hollywood film industry's
business practices, but only 25% of Liberals in general condone them, what
does this tell us about Liberals and Jews? What does this tell us about the
connection between the statements: "Jews control the Hollywood film
industry" and "the Hollywood film industry is controlled by Jews"?

James Jaeger

----------------------------------
(1) Business practices of the Hollywood-based U.S. motion picture industry
as discussed at the various links c/o
http://www.homevideo.net/FIRM/bginfo.htm and the book, WHAT'S REALLY GOING
ON IN HOLLYWOOD! found at http://www.homevideo.net/FIRM/whats.htm.


author: madkevin

subject: Re: Sociological Questions: Film Industry Control

text:
"Matrixx_Entertainment" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Only to a mind liberated from both the constraints of the English language and those
pesky rules of logic.

Kevin "This Is Not A Post" Cogliano


author: D C

text:
----------
In article <[email]>, "Matrixx_Entertainment"
<[email]> wrote:

I really do not wish to be rude, but you could use this script
for stand up comedy.


author: Paulo Joe Jingy

text:
Matrixx_Entertainment wrote:

Thanks for clearing up--that all too common--misconception for us. I'll never
make that mistake again.


author: Ken

text:
"madkevin" <[email]> wrote in message
news:%dow8.27038$[email]...
thing
and those

Please, don't try and confuse us with your Earth grammar.

-- Ken from Chicago


author: Roger Shoaf

subject: Re: Guess what??

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
We got married today on my lunch hour. :)

Well congratulations.  It was awful nice of your hubby's boss to give him an
hour off.


author: Brian Smith

subject: Re: Guess what??

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
We got married today on my lunch hour. :)

amy

Congratulations, Ron and Amy.

Brian


author: Jesse

subject: Re: Guess what??

text:
Jesse writes;
Another good man bites the dirt....
Dear mom;
Please send money,guns, and lawyers.For the sh-t has hit the fan.
Always..Jesse..


author: MAGNOLIATR

subject: Re: Guess what??

text:
We got married today on my lunch hour. :)

CONGRATS to you Amy !
Going to the Chapel , r court house and we're going to get married !
:0)
I wish both of you many many happy years!
Myself I love being married, but it helps that I am married to my best friend !

*Never driver faster  then your Angel can Fly *


subject: Re: Guess what??

text: CONGRATULATIONS AMY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WOw way to go girl.


author: C.J. Roberts

subject: Re: Guess what??

text:
ABOUT DAMN TIME!!!  Congratulations Amy and Ron.

******************************************
     The above rantings are the opinions of the writer, (C.J.), and are
not nessesarily in agreement with anything that anybody else thinks, or
would care to. Any resemblance to political correctness is purely
coincidental, entirely unintentional and probably your imagination.


author: John E. Smith

subject: Re: Guess what??

text:
Awww... just dashed my hopes of you seeing the light and running away with me!

Seriously, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!

John E. Smith
  <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...
  We got married today on my lunch hour. :)

  amy

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Whether you hold the steering wheel or hold the phone and "hold down the fort":
  Click to subscribe to TruckingWomen


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Guess what??

text:
Thanks, ya'll!  Ron's boss actually gave him two hours off and let him
use his pickup to run downtown.  I have two hour lunches.  He thought I
stood him up -- holiday traffic was horrendous. :)  We were only running
into the courthouse to get a marriage license but he had to leave out at
4 this morning and will be in and out all weekend so he talked me into
getting married right then -- in my scrubs with cat hair and all. :)

I was only 7 minutes late for work.  They all think us "northerners" are
really wierd!

I always figured the day would be the day when the tax man said it was
more profitable to be married -- but it was insurance purposes. :) :)
Even though Alabama is a common-law marriage state Transwood's home
office is not.

amy


author: Roger

subject: Re: Guess what??

text:
WHAT HAPPENED?  WHAT HAPPENED?  What did I miss?

C.J. Roberts wrote:


author: lightlady

subject: Re: Guess what??

text:
p&e'd

amy shares...<snip>> I always figured the day would be the day when the tax
man said it was

Congratulations to the both of you !!

my hubby & I got married so i could be a legal rider <g> his co. didn't
recognize C-L marriage either,LOL...been a year and half legal, and 6 yrs
total.

Hope y'all enjoy many 'legal' years together <vbg>


author: Ye Olde Dave

subject: Re: Guess what??

text:
Amy found another guy to ruin her car insurance rates!

You're never gonna believe this sir but...
When you ship it late
It'll still be late when I get it there...


subject: Re: Guess what??

text:
Ok, I finally figured it out ... Amy and Ron got married!
 CONGRATULATIONS!

Don't know how I missed the original post.  Must pay closer attention.

Roger wrote:


subject: Re: Guess what??

text:
LOL!!  Good one. :)  Nah, he's a PROfessional driver and older than 25.
:)  Ya'll do get cheaper rates being professionals, right?? :)

amy


subject: Re: Guess what??

text:
Sure!  And don't forget the special Trucker's Discounts at all the TA's,
Pilots, Petros, Flying j's and all the other truckstops ...oops, excuse
ME, ..TRAVEL CENTERS ....across the country!  :-)


subject: America Online stock

text:
I heard that America Online is a publicly traded company, but I cant find it in
 my (old) S&P book.
          What symbol does it trade under and is it on NASDAQ?
          Anyone have any ideas on the prospects of the company?
I know its old news, but I would imagine that the Prodigy migration is not over
 and that if one online service becomes the leader, it would have  to be this o
ne.
           Thanks in advance,
                             Paul


author: John Holmgren

subject: America Online stock

text:
U >I heard that America Online is a publicly traded company, but I cant f
U > my (old) S&P book.
U >          What symbol does it trade under and is it on NASDAQ?
U >          Anyone have any ideas on the prospects of the company?
U >I know its old news, but I would imagine that the Prodigy migration is
U > and that if one online service becomes the leader, it would have  to
U >ne.

   The symbol is AMER, but you're a little late. I think AMER will take a
few lumps when some of these eager new users get their bills. I quit about
1.5 yrs ago after some $300 invoices!
   Frankly, I think that shoestring BBS's like this will dominate, with
user interfaces established by vendors and customers. The whole uproar
about QWK readers, etc., is just a prelude to custom interfaces.
   Probably, the P* emigration is about over (all my friends have left - I
will be very scarce when my old subscription runs out) and P* DOES have
some attractions. But their clientel is changing significantly.
Nevertheless, they threw these litlle guys a LOT of business.

--- WinQwk 2.0b#1064


author: Tie Zeng

subject: Re: America Online stock

text:
In article <[email]>, <[email]>
wrote:
AMER. Yes.
The stock ran up quite a bit already. It is now at $43.5.

Tie Zeng
AppleSoft


subject: canada real estate 27.5 or 40 years

text:
is real estate property used in Canada 27.5 or 40 year property?

Publication 946 says

Required use of ADS.   You must use ADS for the following property.

    * Any tangible property used predominantly outside the United
States during the year.

GDS would be 27.5 years and ADS is 40 years.

I looked in the tax treaty between Canada and the US (http://
www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/canada.pdf), searching for "real estate",
"rental", "depreciation", but found nothing.


subject: Re: canada real estate 27.5 or 40 years

text:
On Mar 24, 2:05ï¿½am, "[email]" <removeps-
[email]> wrote:

And, did you find anything in the treaty? You said no...

Did you also look at the technical explanation of the treaty? Probably
not since you were looking on the IRS website. Every Tax Treaty has a
technical explanation which reviews the treaty in more conventional
English.

BTW, did you search for charitable in the treaty and if so, did you
find the reference?


subject: Re: canada real estate 27.5 or 40 years

text:
On Mar 25, 3:10ï¿½am, "[email]"
<[email]> wrote:

Nothing.  The technical explanation 2008 is at

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/treaties/Documents/tecanada08.pdf

Seems nothing about depreciation or rental here.

Both the treaty and technical explanation talks about "charitable"
contributions.


subject: Re: canada real estate 27.5 or 40 years

text:
On Mar 23, 12:08ï¿½am, "[email]" <removeps-
[email]> wrote:

A question for you: Would Canada be outside the United States or
inside? When you answer that question, you will have the answer to
your question.


author: Mark Bole

subject: Re: canada real estate 27.5 or 40 years

text:
On 2011/03/23 04:12, [email] wrote:

...implying the answer is, "40 year property".


subject: Re: canada real estate 27.5 or 40 years

text:
On Mar 23, 4:12ï¿½am, "[email]"
<[email]> wrote:

True, but treaties between Canada, US, and Mexico (such as NAFTA and
maybe others) remove borders between countries.  For example
publication 526 allows you to deduct some donations made to the
equivalent to 501(c)(3) charities in Canada:

<Quote source="publication 526">

Canadian charities. You may be able to de-
duct contributions to certain Canadian charita-
ble organizations covered under an income tax
treaty with Canada.

</Quote>

So I was wondering if some part of any treaty gives a special break to
depreciation.


author: NewsPoster

subject: Visitor visa for spouse (US Green Card holder) when entering Canada

text:
I am a permanent resident of the US and a holder of passport from
India and so is my spouse (Indian Passport, US PR).

I will be on a business trip to Canada for a month. In that time my
spouse would be visiting me in Canada for 3-5 days. I know that a US
PR does not require a visa to enter Canada. However I have the
follwing questions :

1. When my spouse enters Canada does an invitation letter from me
necessary ?

2. Does my spouse saying that the reason of her visit is to visit her
husband raise any red-flags with the Canada Immigration ?

3. She works in the US, So I am asking her to carry her offer letter
and her latest paystub. Is there any other documents other than her
passport and GC required or advisable ?

Thanks
VK


subject: Re: Visitor visa for spouse (US Green Card holder) when entering Canada

text:
On 24 Nov 2001 20:17:28 -0800, [email] (NewsPoster) wrote:

[snip]

Your question is complex, and I don't recommend that you take the
advice of people who happen to post to rec.travel newsgroups. Call the
Canadian Consulate and ask them for their advice. Or go in and visit
them.

Michael

To reply by email, please eliminate "NOSPAM" from my address. Personal messages only, please!


author: Me

subject:
Re: Visitor visa for spouse (US Green Card holder) when entering
	Canada

text:
On 11/24/01 23:17, in article
[email], "NewsPoster"
<[email]> wrote:

Your best bet is to contact the Indian Consul in New York City in order to
discuss your questions. Do not rely on advice from complete strangers who
may be well meaning, but wrong.


author: mm

subject: Re: Which brand of jump rope to buy?

text:
On Mar 14, 7:56 am, Hobbes <[email]> wrote:

I haven't got a chance to check these messages until now. I copied and
pasted the link above and it didn't work. It wouldn't paste propery.
Can u give a tiny lunk?


subject: Re: Which brand of jump rope to buy?

text:
On Mar 14, 9:42 am, TheGist <[email]> wrote:

I didn't find any decent one there. All really cheap but may be I need
to go to another location.


author: Pete

subject: Re: Which brand of jump rope to buy?

text:
"mm" <[email]> schreef:

I would suggest the same one that Muhammed Ali used.


author: Hobbes

subject: Re: Which brand of jump rope to buy?

text:
In article <[email]>,
 "mm" <[email]> wrote:

You can get a rope with a series of linked plastic tubes - that is the
best to start with. Or you can go and get a real good one - leather or
heavy clothe. You really need something decent, IMO, and a cheap one
won't do it. They are frustrating because you can't get a good rythym
going.

If you go to this page, I like the half-cut beaded rope.

http://www.jumprope.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.100.exe/scstore/ropetypes.html?L
+scstore+xtmv4749+1173893157

You can buy them at any fitness place.


author: TheGist

subject: Re: Which brand of jump rope to buy?

text:
mm wrote:
I bought a pretty nice leather one at Sports Authority for maybe 10-12
bucks.
I would go that route(buy a decent leather one, it isn't too expensive)
and avoid the plastic ones. The leather ones are much
more natural to use as they have some heft to them.


subject: Re: Which brand of jump rope to buy?

text:
"John Dunlop" <[email]> schreef:

But then you less quality.


author: Bully

subject: Re: Which brand of jump rope to buy?

text:
In news:[email],
John Dunlop <[email]> typed:

That would be a mistake.


subject: Re: Which brand of jump rope to buy?

text:
In news:[email],
John Dunlop <[email]> typed:

Have you ever tried skipping with a cheap rope ? They can't keep up :) !


author: Amy D

subject: OT--Happy Birthday.......

text:
to me,
Happy BIrthday to me,
Ron took Jason to Louisiana,
Happy birthday to me!!!!! :)

amy


subject: Re: OT--Happy Birthday.......

text:
Belated Happy Birthday Amy!  I'll hoist an extra birthday margarita for
ya tomorrow.

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre
minds.-----Einstein


author: tscottme

subject: Re: OT--Happy Birthday.......

text:
Amy D <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Happy birthday Amy.


author: Brian Smith

subject: Re: OT--Happy Birthday.......

text:
"Amy D" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Happy Birthday Amy. All the best.

Brian


author: lindaelmer

subject: Re: OT--Happy Birthday.......

text:
http://www.truckingsites.com/lindaelmer/BirthdayCard.html

Happy Birthday Amy.

Linda and Elmer


author: Sarge

subject: Re: OT--Happy Birthday.......

text:
[email] (Amy D) wrote in news:110-3EA0167B-365@storefull-
2132.public.lawson.webtv.net:

Happy Birthday lady! Hope you have many more!

Sarge

(Ed & Eileen)


subject: Re: OT--Happy Birthday.......

text:
Thanks!!! :)

amy <who is waiting for the satellite tv guy to show up but it just
started RAINING!>  :(


subject: Re: OT--Happy Birthday.......

text:
http://www.truckingsites.com/lindaelmer/BirthdayCard.html

LMAO--today that cracks me up!!!  Thanks -- LMAO!  Actually, my dear son
and husband have forgotten in their travels to Louisiana -- so thanks
for the birthday wishes. :)

amy


subject: Re: OT--Happy Birthday.......

text:
Thanks, Sarge.  Maybe my son and husband will remember -- they've called
4 times now.  My son <almost 5> has been talking about nothing but my
birthday for 2 weeks -- but dad is KING. :)

Of course. dispatch forgot to tell hubby this load was Walmart DC -- so
he has to pay someone $60 and sit there a couple hours.  He'd lump it
himself if he didn't have the boy.  There goes my birthday present! :)

Oh, well -- a day to myself!!

I wanted a cockatiel for my birthday.  At first he was relieved -- this
was something he could handle. :)  Then called back and said, "A bird??
Are you nuts??  Like you need more chaos and one more thing to bitch
about!!"

He told me I could have chickens.  LOL!

amy


author: [redacted]

subject: PC 3.5" game sale

text:
PC 3.5" game sale.  Shipping is free to anywhere in the US.
Email offers to [email].

Wing Commander Armada $11
Wow!  Play as Terran or Kilrathi pilots, flying ten different
ships.  Furthermore, you can plot the strategic defense or
take-over of a sector of the galaxy with dozens of planetary
systems.  Imagine being the admiral of the Wing Commander
world, complete with Nav Points, stealth fighters, and the
gigantic capital ships.  Up to three levels of play, and
even two-player mode.

Strike Squad $8
Play a wide variety of exciting missions on many worlds
scattered through the vastness of space.  Choose your troops
with care, and equip them well.  Nine different races, and
a bunch of different weapons and tools to use.  One or two
player game play.

Jeopardy Deluxe Edition featuring Alex Trebek $8
Over 8000 questions and answers from televisions longest running
game show.  Extremely authentic, with every detail from the actual
show.  You can play with up to two friends.


text:
Go see that Web Page I'm making money with it.

http://pages.infinit.net/profit/


author: Bessie Phillips

subject: I'm Back

text:
And I'm pregnant again. My daughter is now 15 months old, and we're
still Nursing.  She has just decided that she is a toddler and is
walking everywhere (Especially where I don't want her to). I should be
due around Mid November to Mid December (I don't know for sure because I
just now finally got my first appt set up. I will probably know my
expected due date by Saturday, April 20th, Or late Friday 19th. My appt
is for Friday 19th at 12:30 but I don't know when I'll be able to post
about it. I'm hoping this one is a boy (I have a very strong feeling
that it is) So everyone cross your fingers for me.


author: Hunee

subject: Re: I'm Back

text:
Congratulations Bessie and my fingers are crossed.
:o)

BTW, I love your sig.

That looks fantastic!
How do you do that? Do you just keep on experimenting till you get what you
want?


author: Adele

subject: Re: I'm Back

text:
congrats, I was wondering where you went, you were always posting when I
started using usenet (6 months ago) then you just dissappeared.


author: Scott Aguirre

subject: Re: I'm Back

text:
"Bessie Phillips" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Congratulations, Bessie!!!

Here's a webpage where you can calculate your due date:
http://www.babyzone.com/pregnancy/pregnancycalculator.asp

Welcome back!
Lisa


subject: Re: I'm Back

text:
Hunee wrote:

I just kept on trying to make something worth keeping and I was finally
satisfied with this one. I really like it.


subject: Re: I'm Back

text:
Adele wrote:

My hubby's comp (the one I was using) Died a horrible death and He
finally made me one of my own.


subject: Re: I'm Back

text:
ahhh, does that mean the computer bits scattered around your home are no
more?
-
Adele
"Baby, the other, other white meat"
Fat Ba$tard, Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me. 1999


subject: Re: I'm Back

text:
Adele wrote:

Actually that was fixed by the fact that we moved and now my hubby has
an office to put all of his junk in.


author: John Smith

subject: business use of home - exclusive use, IRS' example

text:
On page 3 of publicastion 587 under Exceptions to Exclusive Use, there
is the following example:

=========================
Example. Your home is the only fixed location of your business of
selling mechanics' tools at retail. You regularly use half of your
basement for storage of inventory and product samples. You sometimes use
the area for personal purposes. The expenses for the storage space are
deductible even though you do not use this part of your basement
exclusively for business.
=========================

My question is how much of the basement  area is deductible? The entire
basement or half of it? I think the expenses for only half of the
basement is deductible but a friend of mine says I should count the
entire basement, not just half of it. Who's right?


author: Criswell The Psychic Weatherman

subject: Re: business use of home - exclusive use, IRS' example

text:
John Smith wrote:

The half that's used for storage, not the entire basement.  If your entire
basement was your inventory storage area, then the entire basement are would
count.  Putting one piece of inventory in each corner or section of the room
doesn't count.  [Don't laugh.  There are "home business scams" that tell you
to do just that.  All of them, especially the ones that claim to be
"audit-proof" have had such deductions disallowed.]


author: D. Stussy

text:
On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, John Smith wrote:

It would be half - the area REGULARLY (and exclusively) used.  The personal use
of the basement would be the other half.


text:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, William P. Brown wrote:

It still must be regularly used - and exclusive use helps.  Maybe I should have
said "or" - but I did stress "regularly used" which is what the IRC says.


author: William P. Brown

text:
"D. Stussy" wrote:

Exclusive use is not required to deduct costs associated with inventory
storage space in a personal residence.

Regards,
Bill


author: Bill Clinton

subject: Re: Wholesale Computer Website ***

text:
It pisses me off when someone posts a website for wholesale items and
you go there only to find that they have no prices listed and half the
things are password protected.

"A&N" <[email]> wrote:


author: TruckingFool

subject: Rail Containers...

text:
Looking for a company that runs Chicago to LA/SF pulling rail
containers.

Any ideas, other than BTT?


author: Mail Hauler

subject: Re: Rail Containers...

text:
"TruckingFool" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Union Pacific?


subject: Re: Rail Containers...

text:
"Mail Hauler" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Excellent comeback! LOL!

Brian


author: T Vee

subject: Re: Rail Containers...

text:
Brian Smith wrote:
I agree, I was thinking BNSF.

Maybe if you're nice they'll let you ride on the train too!


author: Mark Shapiro

subject: That's Not a Knife.  This is a Knife!

text:
....I have Zero Patience for Zero Tolerance.  It's narrow, unwavering, and
rigid in its enforcement, and allows for absolutely no flexibility on the
part of its zealots.

Zero Tolerance is the political and social movement that says there can
never be any violation of certain rules or laws EVER.  And it runs rampant
through our schools.

Zero Tolerance drug policies say "Carry drugs in school, get suspended."
Zero Tolerance violence policies say "Pick on someone at school, get
suspended."  And Zero Tolerance weapons policies say "Carry a weapon in
school, get suspended."....

Read all of Erik Decker's guest commentary on zero tolerance policies at:

http://irascibleprofessor.com/comments-08-02-03.htm

And California residents will want to read our breaking new item on the
effects of the California budget crisis on students at California State
University, Fullerton.

http://irascibleprofessor.com/breaking-news-08-01-03.htm

Sincerely,


author: Stan de SD

subject: Re: That's Not a Knife.  This is a Knife!

text:
"Mark Shapiro" <[email]> wrote in message
news:SNEWa.11358$[email]...

Zero Tolerance is the result of having no other criteria to make decisions,
such as "common sense", which disappeared from the public educational
establishment years ago... :O(


author: Steve Hayes

text:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 01:50:42 GMT, "Mark Shapiro"
<[email]> wrote:

Zero tolernece is, of course, intolerance.

Steve Hayes
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm


author: Bob LeChevalier

text:
"Stan de SD" <[email]> wrote:

Zero tolerance is the result of countless lawsuits against the
schools, which the schools inevitably lose, when they attempt to use
any subjective criteria in making decisions.  Actually, similar
practices have evolved all around government, not just in the schools.
Juries think that governments have deep pockets, forgetting that it is
their own pocket that they pick. Those who sue may or may not
remember, but they and their lawyers follow the libertarian credo "I'm
gonna get mine, and screw everyone else".

The most suitproof laws are those that remove any judgement from
someone not behind the bench in a courtroom.

lojbab


author: Donna Metler

text:
"Stan de SD" <[email]> wrote in message
news:zxyXa.34$[email]...
and
the
rampant
decisions,
And the reason it did was because every time an administrator made a
decision based on common sense and actually knowing the child, there were a
dozen people out there calling their lawyers and claiming bias. So, the
result was that schools reacted in the opposite way-by setting blanket
consequences, which are not appropriate in many cases.

Having said that, many teachers, myself included, have been known to apply
the "if I don't see it, I don't have to react"  rule-for example, I might
make a statement like "I KNOW you know not to bring anything from the
cafeteria" (and ignore anyone sneaking to the trash can). I also don't allow
tattling except in emergency situations-and "Jimmy took a knife from the
cafeteria" where all they have are plastic knives which are basically
useless- is NOT an emergency!

I have had two instances where the drug/violence policies ended up being of
use-the first involved a 13 yr old who brought what turned out to be a bb
gun to school. He was already more than a year older and larger than many of
our students, and had a history of aggressive behaviors, and this allowed us
to get this bully out of our school and into a more approriate setting.

The second actually occured in my co-teacher's class-she had a 5 yr old pull
a rock of crack out of her pocket! This one ended up with social services.


text:
"Bob LeChevalier" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
suspended."
decisions,

Bingo. Bob, you are starting to understand liberalism.

Yet that is NOT the libertarian outlook. Seems like you still have a ways to
go...


author: Herman Rubin

text:
In article <[email]>,
Bob LeChevalier  <[email]> wrote:

This is not the libertarian credo, but that of those who
believe that the purpose of government is to give them
boons.  It was these whom the Founders feared.

And these are the ones which prevent anything useful from
being accomplished.


author: Ken

subject: Comptons/Grolier's 97 $14 each

text:
IBM New cd's unless noted
Corel Draw 4  CD only  $20
Quicken 4.0 Deluxe for Windows  $10
Quicken 5.0 Deluxe for Windows  $17
Quickbooks 3.0 Deluxe  $18
Encarta 97 $28
Comptons 97 Encyclopedia $14
Groliers 97 Encyclopedia $14
Comptons 96 Encyclopedia  $8
Comptons New Century and Reference Collection $10
MS Golf 3.0  $12
Works and Money 97   $24
Comptons Street Guide retail box $18
Precision Mapping 2.0 lite $8
Better Homes and Gardens Healthy Cooking $10
Mavis teaches typing, Chessmaster 4000,US/World Atlas $10
Discovery Channel Whales $16
Infopedia 2.0  $14
Body Works 5.0 $14
Windows 95.com 4cd set of shareware for Win95 12/96 release $20

IBM New cd's unless noted
Kids
MS Magic School Bus Solar System $16
MS Creative Writer $16
Alien Tales  $17
Kids Zoo, Space and Undersea Adventure $10
Dr T's Sing A Long Kids Classics $6

Shipping is $2 for up to 3 cd's,in US, .50 for ea. over 3.You can
pre-pay with a check or money order. Check orders held until
check clears. Add $6 for COD. E-mail for more information


author: Adam H. Kerman

subject: Re: Phila Inquirer calls for Amtrak expansion

text:
[email] wrote:

Where did these extra consists come from?


author: john a

text:
"Adam H. Kerman" <[email]> wrote in message news:<TBSr7.100906$[email]>...

I think they meant scores of extra SEATS. They were adding up to 200
extra seats on unreserved trains. Taken literally, "scores of extra
trains" (a score being 20) would be impossible as related to the
equipment, crews and  scheduling. Other than the Clara Barton Express,
I have not seen any new trains during my trips to the NEC, and only
slightly longer consists. SEPTA has been running 4 or more
Silverliners instead of the usual 2 on the Trenton to Philadelphia
midday runs.


text:
john a <[email]> wrote:

Where did the extra cars come from?


author: HAL

text:
In article <do4s7.102575$[email]>, Adam H.
Kerman <[email]> wrote:

The came from the Keystone trains. That service was not run.


author: Steve

subject: Posting link vs full article

text:
Some interesting stuff in the discussion of cellphone fees.  Just
wanna point out, for what it's worth, that previous posts of this
article, which contained a brief summary and link (to avoid copyright
infringement) generated almost no discussion.  Of course, that's
partially explained by the fact that the WSJ is a subscription
service, so most folks were unable to follow the link.  But the same
phenomenon occurs on free services - links just don't generate the
same sorta debate that happens when full articles are posted.

This is not meant to reflect one way or another on the copyright
issue, but it does have an effect on the level of discourse in
newsgroups...


author: Ned Flanders

subject: Re: Posting link vs full article

text:
I think the problem is that the lay person has an over exaggerated
view of what a copyright is and how to use it.  Also, posting a link
to the work is up in the air as to it being a violation of the control
of the work and it's distribution.  Follow the fair use guidelines and
you most likely will not be sued.

Cheers,

Ned


author: Bryce

subject: Re: Posting link vs full article

text:
Copyright issues aside, the only reason I like to see articles posted
in usenet is, if I'm searching archives and the source URL is no
longer valid, it's nice to be able to read the original article in the
post.


author: Curtis CCR

subject: Re: Posting link vs full article

text:
Steve <> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Well, I guess that's just the way it has to be.  If particpants in the
news groups are too lazy to click on a link and read the article from
the source, then so be it.  While I think you are carefully wording
it, you appear to be justifying the practice of reproducing entire
articles in a newsgroup.  This violates the copyrights and terms of
service of most news outlets.

Posting of excerpts of articles (that are on-topic for the newsgroup)
without comment doesn't really bother me.  I think it's OK to point to
an article, essentially saying, "This may be of interest to people in
this group," and letting people start a discussion if they choose.


author: Vincent J. Hrovat

subject: Re: Posting link vs full article

text:
In a previous post, Steve <> said:

I've seen the same phenomenon on mailing lists to which i subscribe.  To help
keep discussion going, i quote relevant clips from said article (Fair Use) and
comment on them, and use a service like www.tinyurl.com if the article's
hyperlink is more than 60 or so characters long, since some newsreaders or mail
services have problems deciphering links with embedded line feeds.

Still, i never post links to pay services like WSJ.  I think that leaves some
would-be participants high and dry.

---
Vincent J. Hrovat / Omnia quia sunt, lumina sunt.


author: Michael Black

subject: Re: Posting link vs full article

text:
Steve () writes:

But is it because someone is merely posting a link, rather than
posting the link and then commenting on it?

I don't particularly like this "let's post the whole article".
Many times, it leaves me wondering what the purpose of the post is.
Someone just thinks they should share it?  Someone thinks something
awful has happened, or thinks something wonderful has happened?  If
they don't add their own comments, who is to know?

When someone just posts a link, it does not make for conversation,
and these are afterall discussion groups.  When someone posts a full
article, people are responding to the article, not the poster.

If people want to promote discussion, they should get better at
refering to articles.

   Michael


author: Geoff Miller

subject: Re: Posting link vs full article

text:
Ned Flanders <[email]> writes:

Hi-de-ho, neighbor!  I believe the word you're looking
for is *layman.*  Contrary to popular belief among the
undereducated, terms ending in "-man" include females
by default, if and when applicable.  That's because
the suffix (not "postfix"; where the hell did *that*
come from, anyway?) dates from Old English, in which
"-man" meant...wait for it..."-person."  It all sort
of gets tied up in a neat little bow, doesn't it?

*boggle*

If the author or owner of the material were tense about
the "control" of the work insofar as links to it were
concerned, he wouldn't make it accessible over the
Internet to begin with.

People aren't going to be sued over stuff like this.
The fair use policy is more a matter of principle and
common courtesy than it is of avoiding litigation.
The worst that's likely to happen, in the unlikely
event of actually running afoul of somebody's copy-
right, is a cease-and-desist request.

Geoff


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Posting link vs full article

text:
On 6 May 2003 14:44:25 -0700, [email] (Ned Flanders)
wrote:

I haven't seen too many reports of anyone "layman" being sued for
violation on the internet - come to think of it I don't recall ever
seeing any!


subject: Re: Posting link vs full article

text:
Bryce <[email]> writes:

Expired URLs are a nonissue.  If a URL has expired, one
can Google for the references article.

Geoff


author: Keith R. Williams

subject: Re: Posting link vs full article

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] says...

The law aside, I'd like to rob a bank too.