subject: Re: DDoS Opened a Floodgates of Negative Opinions on Spamhaus

text:
On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:27:29 AM UTC-7, t.ravis wrote:

If anything warrants comparison to terrorism, it would be your own evident advocacy of the "DDoS" tactic, which amounts to outright sabotage. Now, here's how I would propose looking at things:

1.  Presumably, Spamhaus's reach is relatively limited, especially compared to the total audience reachable through the internet.  At any rate, you would be obligated to produce some specific numbers for Spamhaus users to justify a claim that the service has damaged your business.

2.  Predictably, the subset of those who sign up for Spamhaus's services would be the LEAST receptive to online marketing in any event.

3.  Therefore, there is no obvious reason why your business would be any more or less successful if you effectively worked with Spamhaus by not contacting their customers, or if you ignored Spamhaus, or indeed if Spamhaus did not exist.  If your business is not successful, the obvious explanation is that there are problems with your marketing and/or product.

David N. Brown Mesa Arizona


text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] says...

One can not use the perpetrator of terrorism as a scapegoat for the
consequences of their terror.  They are not a scapegoat, they are to
blame entirely unless they wear a badge or robe.

--
What's with the intentional poor spelling Steve?
--
Spamhaus Technology Limited aka Spamteq
Type:	Private Limited Company
All board members
Stephen John Linford - Director
Geraldine Myra Peters - Secretary
http://www.cdrex.com/spamhaus-technology-limited-3451055.html


author: MTA admin

text:
In article <[email]>,
 "t.ravis" <[email]> wrote:

Ah, back to the spammer's definition of terrorism I see.

Did you notice the ROKSO page was back up?


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: the end of usenet bah humbug!

text:
rh = [email] (Ronda Hauben)
 ab = [email] (Andrew Burt)

 ab> Until such time as the providers decide to upgrade the protocols.
    [snip] - will "big access providers"
 ab> want to provide nice open protocols like tcp/ip, or will they
 ab> decide that it's in their best interest to use proprietary
 ab> protocols on their spiffy new physical nets they create?  Most
 ab> users won't care, so long as the things they expect are provided

    I'm impressed with the degree of parinoia you two are
exhibiting.  but I can't see how this grand conspiracy will be
pulled off.  Judging from my own experiences:

    -corporations need point to point communication for:
         -passing data
         -teleconferenceing.
         -telecommuting.
         -sharing resources.
         -email.
    -educational institutions need point to point communcation for:
         -shared resources (machines and data).
         -email.
         -teleconferencing.
         -telecommuting.
         -remote login while away on sabatical.

    therefore, any network which plans to service these two types of
clients *MUST* provide real-time two-way communication between any
two arbitary hosts.  *AND* the cost must be competitivly priced for
the services which are offered.  In addition, the software must run
on a variety of machines since both corporate and educational
facilities are not likely to run out and buy new computers just to
connect to a service, when existing equipment can already do the
work.

    besides, USENET is being distributed by satellite for a VERY
affordable price (cheaper for the leaf nodes than leased-lines, and
TCP/IP)  and the phone system can easily move pretty large amounts
of data.  (last time I checked our local Fidonet machines move
something like 10-megs of mail a night over *DIALUP* lines)

     In addition,  it is *NOT* in the interest of commercial
providers to come up with a new proprietary network protocol, because
it is cost-prohibitive to port the protocol to the number of systems
currently served by tcp/ip suite of protocols.  (I mean, you'd need
dozens of unix implementations, ibm, vax, mac, pc, whatever else is
out there) just to attract the CURRENT internet users.

 rh> But the U.S. is trying to end the NSF backbone to the internet -
 rh> and that will affect the internet.

    As many people have told you, ronda, the NSF backbone is largely
gone now.   Other than the NCSA centers name 3 sites on the NSF-net.

                   -erik


author: Andrew Burt

subject: Re: the end of usenet bah humbug!

text:
In <[email]> [email] writes:

I'm not paranoid, you're all just out to get me.  :-)

But let's consider the concept that it might, and muse about how it could
come to pass.

Suppose the VBCA (Very Big Corporation of America) decides it can reap
big bucks from this "networking thing", and the best way to do it is to
make sure your customers can't go elsewhere.  (Worked for operating systems
for a rather long time, until Unix was born, and even then, most hardware
vendors tried to discourage it.  In an all-too-rare example of order from
chaos rather than entropy, many were forced to adopt Unix; even now,
the same souls no doubt bemoan their losses and at least one hopes to
put Unix it it's grave with NT.)  But back to our musing.

So the VBCA decide to get in the network biz.  But, long term plan, they
want to offer a bigger data pipe so folks can *do* those neat things
you list, like teleconferencing, real-time video, etc.  Passing data
is boring, and they concentrate on the "application" type needs; for which
they can provide their One True Way of doing it, which, alas, is a closed
standard.  Most businesses love it, don't care a whit that they can't
write their own or extend it.  All nicely packaged up, and the customer is
basically locked in once they sign up.  (Sure, they *could* switch to a
competitor, but only if they replace the sizable hardware investment they're
forced to make.)

They'll offer the most popular services:

E.g., a specific protocol for teleconference, specific programs for e-mail.
(When was the last time you saw an alternate e-mail program on Prodigy?)
Resource sharing is trickier, BUT, not impossible.  Offer the One True Way
of printer sharing, One True Way for remote file access, etc.  Telecommuting
is a vague term, not sure what you mean, but same deal I'm sure.

VBCA doesn't really care much about them, so toss them an old bone:  They
can use what the corporate types do, but at a 25% discount, whoopee.

(Oh, yes, we have our remote login program, did you want the One True PC
version, or the One True Mac version?  No, sorry, you can't write your own.)
(As in, when was the last time you saw an alternate interface program for
Prodigy?)

Oh, and for those who *must* use tcp/ip or do their own data transfers,
since that's such an uncommon thing (now that we've provided Everything
You'll Ever Need), we'll have to charge an arm and a leg for that.

Yep, it works from any host to any other host.  Only does it their way,
can't add to it or modify it, but it does what you just said was required.

No, that's not entirely true.  Well, depends how you define "competitive" --
if you mean about as much as OLMC (Other Large Multinational Corporation)
charges, sure, it'll be like Airline fares -- set by discreet price fixing,
still providing them huge profits.

  and

Depends; PCs and Macs account for a huge percentage of cpus.  Companies like
Oracle have no problem handling multiple ports at one time.

Besides, they don't really care about the current users -- either (a)
they'll "upgrade" to the new "better" services, (b) will get charged
to death for the luxury of not switching, or (c) will be too small and
powerless a fish to worry more about.

You miss the point, though -- the VBCAs and OLMCs of the world will
provide a nice *replacement* for USENET, a pablum for the masses, who'll
think it's great (because they don't know of anything better).  Those of
us who know it can be better will have a difficult time affording to
keep the old boat going, and will lose members, and not gain new ones.
Sure, the old emasculated USENET will linger for a long time, but it won't
be nearly as useful as it is today.

Realistically, do you think all the sites that get usenet today are
going to run out and buy satellite hookups just to get news?  When the
VBCA gives them some cool new goodies?

But, (a) a full newsfeed is more in the 80Mb/day range right now, and
growing (needs to keep growing to be of use) and (b) some of the VBCAs
are, in fact, our beloved phone companies -- don't think for a minute
they can't let line quality degrade "accidentally" so that modems lose
their effectiveness.  And telephone copper pair wires are likely to
be replaced with something else.

I'm not exactly ancient in age, but if I recall correctly it wasn't
that long ago that modems were rather special things that the ordinary
human couldn't just hook up to the telephone.  Most netlanders should
certainly remember when the only person supposed to connect a telephone
was a Bell Co. employee.  When one didn't *own* the telphone, but was
forced to lease it from the phone company.

In fact, I faced this same problem with my cable co. (TCI) not long
ago when I moved -- I *owned* my own cable converter box (didn't use
it since the TV does it anyway) BUT they were upgrading everyone's
cable boxes to the new addressable kind (for PaperView).  I told the
fellow connecting us that I owned the box, and if they wanted to trade
me for a new one, fine, but that I'd still consider myself owning the
new one.  Fine, says he.  But, whaddya think shows up on my bill? Rent
for the converter box.  Some phone calling and letter writing have
straightened that out, but they're *clearly* not set up to handle this
oddball case of someone (for shame!) owning some cable equipment.

Now, name the players who want to bring us interactive TV (aka, the
next generation of networking).

Call it paranoia if you want, I call it "reading the writing on the wall".

I'm not worried about today or next year; while the VBCA's get themselves
established, they look like they're your friend and they play along.
Once they're entrenched they slowly start turning the screws.

I mean, face the simple fact that "openness" is a boardroom profanity.
Users have won a few battles for openness, pat ourselves on the back,
but it sure isn't the war, and this is no time to get complacent.

(Worse, it's not a "war" that can be won; it's a never-ending struggle.)

I guess the reaons I'm stirring all this up is that I really don't want
to look back, ten, twenty years from now, and say, "Ah, the Internet in the
early 90s, *that* was the peak of open computing."


author: L. Todd Masco

subject: Re: the end of usenet bah humbug!

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Andrew Burt) writes:

The VBCA should ask AT&T about the FTC.


subject: Re: the end of usenet bah humbug!

text:
In <[email]> [email] (L. Todd Masco) writes:

I doubt the FTC would care a whit about the scenario I described, though.
In fact, it *encourages* competition -- by providing multiple networks
to choose from.  (The fact that one interconnected open internet is better
may be beyond the comprehension of the FTC anyway.)

Last I looked, selling propietary solutions to problems (aka "locking in
the customer") was entirely legal.


subject: Re: the end of usenet bah humbug!

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Andrew Burt) writes:

It is, until you dominate the market.  If you are in a position to force
 anybody to use your protocol, then clearly: you have dominated the market.
 That's why the AT&T is no longer to only phone company in the country,
 and that's why the FTC is keeping an eye on Microsoft.

In order for what you're talking about to do away with the Internet (I
 thought this was originally about USENET, anyway), they'd have to be
 able to stop Mom&Pop Networking in DC from leasing a T1 line to Jose's
 Bucket o' Bits in San Francisco.  It's not going to happen without
 something happening that the FTC would be required to stomp on.  It's
 exactly the same case as with AT&T.

If I recall properly, you're arguing that it's possible for one company
 to control the content of the network, therefore we'd better get our
 act together so that we're not censored from outside.  That isn't possible
 given our current legal system, and isn't practical given our technology
 or anything that can be soon expected.

Now, modify your VBCA scenario slightly, and you can get everyone speaking
 the same protocol over different networks.  But nothing can stop people
 from throwing their own protocol down on top of what you use: like
 JNet over TCP/IP over SLIP over phone lines.  Hell, I'll use a protocol that
 uuencodes (modified to output just letters) my messages and makes long
 postings, with only the first letter of each word being signal.  I'll
 even apply grammar checking software to make it look like it's english,
 though nonsensical.

One of the truly wonderful things about the net is that it's practically
 impossible to control without many damned smart AIs.  There's simply too
 much going on, and encryption software is plentiful and cheap.  The Clipper
 Chip garbage was the closest things have come, but even so: the horses


subject: Re: the end of usenet bah humbug!

text:
In <[email]> [email] (L. Todd Masco) writes:

No, you're not quite reading what I said:  Not just one company, but two
or more (an oligopoly), that all operate in the same proprietary manner,
is just as bad, and legal.  Two players dominating the market competitively
has not, to my (limited legal) knowledge, been made illegal.

You miss the point.  Usenet won't "die" in the sense of "cease to exist
forever", but in the sense of "wither away to a pale shadow of it's current
glory".  Usenet and the open Internet, both.

I know it's hard to accept that the VBCAs of the world can acquire huge
numbers of customers for pathetic services -- like Prodigy -- but they
can and do.  And they can make things like the current Usenet difficult
to maintain -- all justified nicely and legally ("oh, but there's not *market*
for tcp/ip any more since we and other providers have given the world our
own fantastic (proprietary) solutions, so, Mr. Regulator, we have to
raise the rates; yes, that means mom&pop will have to pay more for their
home tcp/ip feed, but they're really in the tiny minority now anyway, and
we're offering them a sweet deal to switch to our One True Way services.").

Most users will blindly go along.  Those few of us who resist don't matter,
as there's not enough of us to pose a real threat.

Look at how 99% of the capitalist world works!  Usenet and the Internet,
both, are contrary to example; they're in the 1% of truly wonderful and contrary
systems that squeak through (and usually end up crushed).

Heck, they *teach* this stuff in business classes as the way to do business.
I'm simply applying it to the state of networking today and making a few
predictions.


author: Mark Lorenz

subject: The Internet as a Strategic Business Weapon

text:
I've proposed to executive management that our company should leverage the
Internet and it's services and resources throughout all our functional
organizations: Sales, Marketing, Engineering, MIS, Finance, HR.  As I see it
the Internet should be perceived as just another leg of our WAN which can
provide connectivity to a specific individual or company or to the global
Internet audience or anything in-between.

I have a fairly good understanding of what the Internet can do from a
technical standpoint.  What I don't know is Internet policy.  Can it be used
to sell and market product?  Are international tarrifs imposed on certain
usage?  How will policy cahnge over time?

I'd like to understand how other companies are using the Internet to support
their business processes.  Also, the strategic direction of the Internet and
how companies will be using it over the next 12 months, 2 years, 5 years, etc.

Are their companies who sponsor educational forums that discuss this?  Are
there books available that discuss this?  Are their bulletin boards out there
established specifically for the purpose for comapnies to share their
application and utility of the Internet?

I'd appreciate any help you can provide.  Please respond to
"[email]" or call (510) 888-3425.

Regards,


author: Roy M. Silvernail

subject: Re: The Internet as a Strategic Business Weapon

text:
[email] (Mark Lorenz) writes:

For someone who professes to be Internet-literate, you don't seem to
have much of a grasp of the difference between the Internet (which is a
transport mechanism for moving data between connected points) and Usenet
(a collection of topical discussion groups moved in a store-and-forward
system on a variety of transport layers, one of which is the Internet).

The Internet can easily become part of your WAN.  What I see you
proposing, however, is a marketing and advertising strategy aimed at
Usenet.  Many administrators do not appreciate the growing trend of
companies using Usenet to advertise.  The companies seem to view it as a
free medium, and completely ignore the fact that they are expending
resources that are _not free_.  Every advertisement costs the receiving
site, in terms of storage space, transmission time and processing time.

Until you can tell the difference between Internet and Usenet, you have
no business proposing anything.


author: Denny E. Miller

text:
<sigh> dare we begin to contemplate an "ads.*" hierarchy? And to make that
the ONLY place business solicitations are to be put?

Or should we just have the Oracle zot him, and bring his existance to
Kibo's attention? (And would announcing his alliance with the Purple One
to the Jihad be overly cruel?)


author: Peter da Silva

text:
I have no problem with people advertising on Usenet.

I have a problem with people posting large numbers of inappropriate messages
to the wrong newsgroup.

The worst offenders so far have been people running cascades, but if spam
ad like C&S become common they'll overwhelm them in no time.


author: James "Kibo" Parry

text:
In news.admin.misc article <2ooc3e$[email]>,
Denny E. Miller <[email]> wrote:

I support the creation of ads.*, but only if it is broken down into
ads.scams.*, ads.legit.*, ads.scams.MAKE.MONEY.FAST, ads.chainletters,
ads.regent.terminals.misspelled, and ads.zima.

I see a great need to a new section for the HappyNet Manifesto.


author: Taki Kogoma

text:
[email] (Denny E. Miller) was observed writing in
news.admin.misc:

Redundant, as biz.* already exists.


author: David DeLaney

text:
[email] (Denny E. Miller) writes:

"Begin to contemplate"? We've had the biz.* hierarchy for a *while* ...
what do you mean, your site doesn't get it? I wonder why not?

Dave "sic Serdar on him, I say, and let them cancel each other out" DeLaney


author: Jay Maynard

text:
In article <[email]>,
James "Kibo" Parry <[email]> wrote:

How about ads.zima.zucks?


text:
David DeLaney ([email]) wrote:
}"Begin to contemplate"? We've had the biz.* hierarchy for a *while* ...
}what do you mean, your site doesn't get it? I wonder why not?

I remembered the biz hierarchy shortly after I posted this. <blush> I
actually lurk on a couple... I guess those parasites got me flustered...


author: Gary Heston

subject: Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?

text:
In article <[email]> [email] writes:

I might point out that there is no organization called "usenet" to either
support or decry anything. If you're concerned about the material in a
group, have your feed site shut it off.


author: filthy-mcnasty

subject: XNews - Where's Luu?

text:
Not STILL relaxing by the pool with a large sherbert, are you?  Look out
for Blinky!


author: Blinky the Shark

subject: Re: XNews - Where's Luu?

text:
filthy-mcnasty wrote:

<sleek shark head appears above the surface of the water...>


author: Darrien

subject: Re: XNews - Where's Luu?

text:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:55:54 GMT, "Blinky the Shark" Enlightened the world
by saying:

Where's your hat?


author: SINNER

subject: Re: XNews - Where's Luu?

text:
While strolling through news.software.readers, Darrien was overheard
plotting:

What happened to your face? Shark get ya :)


subject: Re: XNews - Where's Luu?

text:
Darrien wrote:

I have a few variants of the Blinky image.  I'm configured so that one
goes on new posts, and another on followups.  The other day, I changed
them.


subject: Re: XNews - Where's Luu?

text:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:45:53 GMT, "SINNER" Enlightened the world by saying:

Read some of the older posts in this group.


subject: Re: XNews - Where's Luu?

text:
Darrien Wrote in news.software.readers, on Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:01:58 GMT:

Didnt look like the DCSS Xface, thats why I asked. I actually thought I
checked the header first as I recalled that thread.


author: fLameDogg

subject: Re: XNews - Where's Luu?

text:
DC <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]135:

I like it!


author: DC

subject: Re: XNews - Where's Luu?

text:
Blinky the Shark wrote:

Very much talent, that dogg he has.  Hmmm?

Hey, I have an idea!  Let's you and me tear up usenet in these fancy hats.
We'll be like...like...The Blues Brothers.  No, wait!!  The News Brothers!

Although, they do say that if you spend a great deal of time with someone,
you begin to look alike...like owners and their pets, you know?

Personally, I think that's just a load of crap.  };O)


subject: Re: XNews - Where's Luu?

text:
DC <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]135:

Aw, shucks.

<sees your X-Face>  Yikes!!! <yip yip yip...>


subject: Re: XNews - Where's Luu? [OT]

text:
DC wrote:

More'n Mr. Spool, here.

Yer on.  :)

Well, there was that mooseshark thing...

Uhhh, yeah.  Me too.  :)

It's one hundred and six miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas,
half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.


subject: Re: XNews - Where's Luu?

text:
fLameDogg wrote:

I MISSED THAT!  Nice job, DC!  That's *funny*.


subject: Re: XNews - Where's Luu?

text:
fLameDogg wrote:

You think *that's* scary, you should see the mooseshark thing.

You have mail.  };O)


subject: Re: XNews - Where's Luu?

text:
Blinky the Shark wrote:

I try.  Cut 'n paste is a wonderful thing for us non-talents.  }:O)


author: Thane

subject: Re: New 'Online Promotions' domain: lastharbored.com

text:
On Jan 30, 9:19 pm, James W Anderson <[email]> wrote:

It's another Namecheap registration. If you can, file a complaint with
them. You'll get a ticket and then be ignored, but there may be more
to follow. There's a trail.

A few others for the records:-

candyssweet.com
johnandbillsidea.net
findingyourniche.net
bluesareover.net
afriendisneverfar.net
perfectthedetails.net
anniedigsshoes.com
findingtherightniche.net
booksofgreatknowledge.com
bankruptcyadvice1.com
melissaslittlecorner.net
amazingchangesfornow.com
alwaysnearafriend.net
wakingwiththesun.net
sunandasilverlining.net
grassmeal.com
ps3discounter.com
wakingtoagreatday.net
bellsbooksandgoals.com
rakeuncle.com
dealsforeveryoneweknow.com
letsallgetadeal.com
nobetterbargainfinder.com
smiledealsandsteals.com
weallfindadeal.com
alotoftimeforholidays.com
bestdealcurl.com
holidaydealtime.com
howaboutadealtoday.com
rangesofdeals.com
simplyspecialgiftsforyou.com
whatsadealfortoday.com
alwaysgetabargain.com
cometogetyourdealhere.com
dealscomeandgohere.com
gottafindabargain.com
youalwaysgetadeal.com
doscounttakehome.com
takeadealtogo.com
dealsyouwanttosee.com
lookingforyourdeal.com
afterholidaydeals.com
couponsherenow.com
alwaysgetyourdeal.com
afterholidaydeals.com
solid-karting.com
solid-finding.com
solid-adding.com
solid-forming.com
keepthemoneyinyourpocket.com
goaheadandgetyourdeal.com
luckisgonnachangetoday.com
allthebestdiscounts.com
discountheretoday.com
dealscomingnow.com
flashdiscountdeal.com
dailybargaindeals.com
lastharbored.com

Thane


author: James W Anderson

text:
Fired of a LART to Namecheap, no ack.  Not even an auto-ack with a
ticket.

They're RFCI anyway.

http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/tools/lookup.php?domain=namecheap.com


text:
On Jan 30, 11:42 pm, James W Anderson <[email]> wrote:

Yes, RFCI for sure. I dutifully fill out a complaint on their web form
every time asking them to enforce their TOS . I get an autoack and
then a notice of dropping the complaint a couple of days later. Maybe
their spammers are moving on or they are listwashing me now.

Thane


author: [redacted]

text:
On Jan 31, 12:32 am, Thane <[email]> wrote:
<snip>
<snip>

A couple of those looked familiar so i checked my auto block list,
along with the whois info i captured at the time i noticed these
entries going in. The whois for all of them was identical:

unsurpassedads
tommy guadano
[email]
631-252-4567
100 villa d est
coram ny 11767 us

38.100.214.139  550 20090112 spam traps solid-acting.com
38.100.214.145  550 20090112 spam traps solid-adding.com
38.100.214.146  550 20090112 spam traps solid-carting.com
38.100.214.147  550 20090112 spam traps solid-changing.com
38.100.214.148  550 20090112 spam traps solid-featured.com
38.100.214.149  550 20090112 spam traps solid-finding.com
38.100.214.150  550 20090112 spam traps solid-flying.com
38.100.214.151  550 20090112 spam traps solid-forming.com
38.100.214.152  550 20090112 spam traps solid-karting.com
38.100.214.153  550 20090112 spam traps solid-lending.com
69.42.91.36     550 20081208 spam traps sunny-seasons.com
69.42.91.37     550 20081208 spam traps solid-seasons.com
69.42.91.38     550 20081208 spam traps snowy-seasons.com
69.42.91.39     550 20081208 spam traps rising-seasons.com
69.42.91.40     550 20081208 spam traps private-seasons.com
69.42.91.41     550 20081208 spam traps friendly-seasons.com
69.42.91.42     550 20081208 spam traps easy-seasons.com
69.42.91.43     550 20081208 spam traps darker-seasons.com
69.42.91.44     550 20081208 spam traps clearer-seasons.com
69.42.91.45     550 20081208 spam traps brighter-seasons.com
69.42.91.46     550 20081208 spam traps better-seasons.com
208.85.3.114    550 20090112 spam traps approvingthemall.com
208.85.3.115    550 20090112 spam traps approvingshops.com
208.85.3.116    550 20090112 spam traps added-featured.com
208.85.3.117    550 20090112 spam traps approvingfirms.com
208.85.3.118    550 20090112 spam traps approvinglands.com
208.85.3.119    550 20090112 spam traps approvingmarkers.com
208.85.3.120    550 20090112 spam traps approvingplans.com
208.85.3.121    550 20090127 spam traps approvingmarks.com
208.85.3.122    550 20090112 spam traps approvingplaces.com
208.85.3.123    550 20090112 spam traps approvingmarkets.com
208.85.3.124    550 20090112 spam traps better-created.com
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208.85.3.164    550 20090112 spam traps privately-created.com
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208.85.3.166    550 20090112 spam traps special-created.com
208.85.3.167    550 20090120 spam traps successful-created.com
208.85.3.168    550 20090112 spam traps loyal-shops.com
208.85.3.169    550 20090120 spam traps blessed-shops.com
208.85.3.171    550 20090127 spam traps safely-shops.com
208.85.3.172    550 20090112 spam traps smartly-shops.com
208.85.3.173    550 20090112 spam traps friendly-shops.com

- TOASTEDspam.com


text:
Apparently Namecheap doesn't regard these as spammers, but does take
care of phishers.

I had gotten a phish earlier in the day and LARTed Namecheap on that.
They got back and donfirmed that the phishing site, targeting Citi
customers, is now a smoking crater.

Not to ramp up the pressure on this other bunch.


text:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:49:38 -0800 (PST), [email]
wrote:

   unsurpassedads
   Tommy Guadano
      110 maple crest drive
   ronkonkoma, ny 11779
   US

I think it's this one:

http://sunbiz.org/pdf/%5C8094498.pdf

Does the name Erin Voss ring any bells?

present-adding.com
current-raining.com
current-landing.com
added-featured.com
greatly-featured.com
magic-featured.com
safely-shops.com
quicky-shops.com
goin-shops.com
solid-signing.com
solid-flying.com
solid-finding.com
solid-raining.com
private-sending.com
solid-taking.com
solid-pushing.com
solid-searching.com
solid-lighting.com
ultimate-moving.com
better-seasons.com
created-success.com
created-today.com
creative-findings.com
solid-letting.com
friendly-featured.com
created-here.com
creative-extensions.com
solid-featured.com
privately-created.com
solid-adding.com
solid-changing.com
solid-karting.com
solid-forming.com
solid-carting.com
approvingplaces.com
approvinglands.com
approvingfirms.com
approvingplans.com
approvingthemall.com
better-created.com
smartly-created.com
clearly-created.com
fastly-created.com

These all hit on "unsurpassed ads" under the netblock:

tipinformation.com
shortvisits.com
ultravisits.com
headoverhere.com
invitedetails.com
invitedhereonline.com
haikugiftcreations.com
keepgoodtimes.com
newclassweapons.com
hillsidedelight.com
stampingdelight.com
sitecartooncodes.com
fansevents.com
yesmoreinformation.com
sayinformation.com
penny-corp.com
eventsandjobs.com
candlepinkjar.net
hairvitaminbottles.net
fengshuidelight.com
floweredhatsandclothes.com
goblinsfantasyhelmets.com
greatnewsources.com
hotmarkers.com
jewelersdelight.com
greaticonitems.com
sunshinedelight.com
femininedelight.com
clearglassashtray.net
mightymousegifts.com
lovemeletters.com
mercurybluestracks.com
powerlightsgifts.com
redlightpictureframes.com
tropicdelicious.com
sharpscissorsonline.com
realhappyinformation.com
jackschocolatedelights.com
hazelshomermeedy.com
greyskynight.com
jimmyswordtrash.com
stuffapetbear.com
bunnytailhop.com
endfaultmy.com
timshatplace.com
mikesawesomeguitars.com
robotdoubletake.com
getmesomeboy.com
betterthennothing.com
boxbaglight.com
copycatdog.com
charmingservicefourteen.com
bestdailytimes.com
charmingserviceeleven.com
lasermachinesbig.net
wipesfirminglotion.net
sitrockwaterpicture.net
checkregisterfiles.net
coldairdresser.net
glossyframedart.net
filingcabinetdoors.net
envelopesandletter.net
blackbinderpaper.net
newtallshelf.net
largedeskfinder.net
bluestripeslongwindow.net
silverscannerbutton.net
yourconnectednow.net
bluesnoweyes.net
purpleribbonflowers.net
lotionbottlesoftskin.net
redcandleholderjar.net
seethis005.info
seethis011.info
amocpfta.info
whintbabfl.info
qweds34.info
invitsonly975.com


text:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:09:42 -0800, [email] wrote:

Your search 110 MAPLECREST 11779 returned 13 Matches

Name 	City, State 	Available Information 	Possible Relatives
1.

    * SHIRLEY, NY
    * LAKE RONKONKOMA, NY
    * RONKONKOMA, NY
    * BOHEMIA, NY
    * TOPEKA, KS
    * MIDDLETOWN, NY
    * LK RONKONKOMA, NY
    * NORTH CAPE MAY, NJ
    * CAPE MAY, NJ

    * GUADAGNO, THOMAS
    * GUADAGNO, THOMAS J (Age 45)

That Thomas J could be the father...who knows.

 Thomas Guadagno ([email])
     1.8748487474848474
     Fax: 1.9484948489449849
     110 maple crest drive
     10
     ronkonkoma, NY 11779
     US

keeping-holiday.com
outing-building.com
positive-feeding.com
project-building.com
friendly-building.com
successful-constructing.com
finer-constructing.com
strongly-protected.com
fine-managed.com
fast-managed.com
clean-managed.com
better-managed.com
bigger-protected.com
better-protected.com
better-advanced.com
working-champion.com
darker-constructing.com
netclamsllc.com


text:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:18:25 -0800, [email] wrote:

1. 	ALL COUNTY FOUNDATION WATERPROOFING LLC
	Available	Available	Ronkonkoma, NY	GUADAGNO,
THAMS J
(AGENT)

2. 	INTERIORS BY TOMMY G
	Available	Available	Ronkonkoma, NY	GUADAGNO,
THOMAS J
(CONTACT)

3. 	ALL COUNTY FOUNDATION WATERPROOFING
	Available	Available	Ronkonkoma, NY	GUADAGNO,
STEPHANIE
GUADAGNO, THOMAS
(CONTACT)

4. 	PAINTING EXPRESS
	Available	Available	110 south maplecrest drive, NY
Ronkonkoma, NY	GUADAGNO, THOMAS
(CONTACT)

5. 	TEE GEE DISTRIBUTORS LLC

Available	Ronkonkoma, NY
GUADAGNO, THOMAS

1. 	UNSURPASSED ADS

	Available	Lake ronkonkoma, NY
Ronkonkoma, NY

GUDAGNO, THOMAS
(OWNER)

No idea if Erin Voss from FL has anything to do with this unsurpassed
ads from NY, but she may. Her name also hit on a domain used in spam,
so hard to say at this point.


author: Enzo

subject: start a newsgroup

text:
The subject line is my question.  How do you start your own newsgroup?

Thanks...


author: Jon Bell

subject: Re: start a newsgroup

text:
In article <nnq.HRzy7.162695$[email]>,
Enzo <[email]> wrote:

   <http://www.geocities.com/nnqweb/ncreate.html>

After reading that, I think you'll see why you can't really have "your
own" newsgroup, in the sense that it "belongs" to you and you can control
its fate.  Creating a newsgroup requires the cooperation of many people,
and once you've created it, you have little control over it.


author: Timo Salmi

subject: Re: start a newsgroup

text:
Enzo <[email]> wrote:

How does one create a new Usenet newsgroup?
http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/createng.html

   All the best, Timo


author: RC

subject: Newsreader that displays 2 groups at once?

text:
Is there a newsreader that can display 2 or more newsgroups, say
"alt.binaries.sounds.mp3" and "alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.complete_cd", in the
same window?


author: Dan

subject: Re: Newsreader that displays 2 groups at once?

text:
On 2/9/2004 3:52:25 PM, RC wrote:

Newsman Pro can do this as well as show groups from different servers at
the same time.

You can check out the Freeware version at http://www.newsmanpro.com

Regards


author: Hugh Johnson

text:
Yes, many newsreaders do that.  Newsrover is one that I use.  It uses
what is called Autoscan Interest groups.

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 20:52:25 -0000, RC <[email]> wrote:


text:
"Dan" <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

Thanks.


text:
Hugh Johnson <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

Thanks.


author: stinky

subject: Re: UCEProtect sucks

text:
In article
<[email]>,
 RABBIT45678 <[email]> wrote:

Poor rabbit - posted his rant in NANAE and got his box more attention
than he wanted.

I DARE the rabbit to post again.


author: Ultimate Tardbuster

subject: Re: UCEProtect sucks

text:
In article <[email]>, stinky said:

Yeah some lusers are unbelievable. I guess he's now blaming Apple for
getting hacked by the bad guys of nanae:-)


subject: Re: UCEProtect sucks

text:
In article <hubshh$3ug$[email]>,
 [email] (Ultimate Tardbuster) wrote:

Heh, I should go onto Apple's Support discussion boards and look for his
posts. Maybe I might see him on the Mac Server Mailing list as well.


author: Ponder

subject: Re: 40tude Dialog alike for Win/Lin

text:
Hiya Sam Lowry.

In <news:5wf5fkx2lscc$.hg0mprhoxxx7$[email]> you wrote:

  To add to the current thread, I just created a shortcut on the Windows
machine to the Wine install of Dialog (using Samba on the Linux machine)
and now run the one installation from either machine :-)


author: Mike Dee

subject: Re: 40tude Dialog alike for Win/Lin

text:
On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:30:57 +0000, Ponder wrote:

Ooh, this sounds interesting. There's hope for me yet (and my much missed,
as of late, Xnews) yet. Thanks.


subject: Re: 40tude Dialog alike for Win/Lin

text:
Hiya Mike Dee.

In <news:[email]> you wrote:

  Should work just as well for Xnews :)


subject: El Reg.: "Chinese domain crackdown targets smut sites"  (And "slack: registrars)

text:
El reg. posted an article today claiming China is cracking down on sites and
registrars. Article is at:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/15/china_domain_regs/

An interesting paragraph states:

"Three domain name registration agents in China - Zhengzhou-based unndc.com,
and Beijing-based namerich.cn and xinnet.com - were suspended from offering
.cn domain name registrations last Friday over allegations of slack business
practices ..."


subject:
Re: El Reg.: "Chinese domain crackdown targets smut sites" (And
	"slack: registrars)

text:
Got one .cn pharma spam last night, Blue Coat only confirmed two hours
ago that the site was indeed pharma, it was masquerading as a
classified ads site so I had to appeal its rating to a supervisor who
saw what the site owner was doing..


author: John Smith

subject:
Re: El Reg.: "Chinese domain crackdown targets smut sites"  (And
 "slack: registrars)

text:
Bar0 wrote:
It is going to be interesting to watch what happens next.
Hopefully spammers will be fleeing each and every way from CN & RU
space. The next point of focus, once things settle, will show up in the
statistics.

As a business domain name holder I expect that the domain name system
has integrity. There is some difficulty implementing a transparent,
authoritative system. As of legal right owning a company, with regard to
the company name, means one has the legal right to own the same name in
the domain name system in New Zealand. Having said this, we also have
"Sole Traders", trading under a name which may be different to the
persons actual name. I have always thought that policy in this area
needs to be more firmly established having regard to modern abuse
trends. The UDRP sorts most of it out however that disputes exist shows
that more due diligence is required by registrars.

The news keeps on getting better and if this is seen to be true then
this is the top victory of 2009 IMHO. Most certainly my thanks go out to
all those who have highlighted the issue.


text:
On Dec 15, 10:39 am, "Bar0" <[email]> wrote:

Slack business practices! Ye gods!

Namerich is responsible for 99% of the pharmacy spam sites I've been
tracking. Maybe the slack practice was they were suspended for not
collecting the customer's money fast enough :-)

Thane


text:
Didn't we see this with other registrars in China before?  I know some
of the Government ones hosted some of these for a while but soon were
able to take them down.

After that there was another group of registrars there, then after
those were dealt with these three were used by the pharma gangs.

I don't know if the LARTs to ICANN ever worked as far as the false
WHOIS on the .com's were concerned, am still seeing .com's, typically
crap like creamyable.com, but I got another this morning with a
medical-related name, and Blue Coat had it logged as 'suspicious'
within five minutes of submitting it there.


subject: Re: El Reg.: "Chinese domain crackdown targets smut sites"  (And "slack: registrars)

text:
"John Smith" <[email]> wrote in message
news:hg90p5$dj2$[email]...

Why RU? I don't know the situation now, but back in the 90's every Russian
home PC was Pwned for all intents. Virtuallty every single individual (and
probably many business) owned PC was running on cracked Windows, and you can
be sure the crackers pwned those machines. Russian spam gangs avoided using
Russian resources almost altogether (a case of don't shit around the
foundation), but have slowly been retreating into the homeland. What we
observe is a rise in Russian hosters DNS, botnets (see above) and other spam
services.

I don't see any decline in .ru based spam related activity, rather the
contrary, (in my insignificant sample)


subject: Re: El Reg.: "Chinese domain crackdown targets smut sites" (And "slack: registrars)

text:
"Thane" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
On Dec 15, 10:39 am, "Bar0" <[email]> wrote:

Never run into unndc.com registered pharma and replica sites, but plenty of
namerich and xinnet, I wonder why BLT/paycenter wasn't mentioned, although
they mainly only do spammers DNS, as opposed to hosting now.


text:
Bar0 wrote:
I added .ru because Russian authorities, of late, have taken a harder
line when they took down "affiliate meeting places".

You have summed up .ru space rather well.


author: Rob Gabbard

subject: Is there a good SMTP mailer for Windows ?

text:
OK,I've just got this great 486/66 running Windows on my ney here
at work. I've got winsock and have gotten Net XPress, Mosaic, Netscape,
and a SOCKS-ified FTP working fine and dandy on it. Now the only thing
I need to completely cut the umbilical cord from my workstation is a
good Windows based mailer. I need it to to send and receive mail
preferably via SMTP (talking to a Unix based sendmail perhaps). I don't
want to go through all of the WFW Post Office and router crap. Any
help ?

Also, a TCP/IP based printing solution would be great to. We've got all
these network printers arund here that talk to the Unix boxes great but
my PC is a island in this Unix ocean. HELP !

Thanks in advance
-Rob Gabbard

      _  _____________________________  _
     / )|       Rob Gabbard           |( \
    / / |    [email]     | \ \
  _( (_ |    CASE, Cincinnati. OH.    | _) )_
 (((\ \>|_/->_____________________<-\_|</ /)))
 (\\\\ \_/ /                       \ \_/ ////)
  \       /"Life goes by pretty darn\       /
   \    _/fast, if you don't stop to \_    /
   /   / take a look around, you might \   \
  /   / miss something" - Ferris Buller \   \


author: Nancy McGough

subject: Re: Is there a good SMTP mailer for Windows ?

text:
[email] (Rob Gabbard) writes:

For my PPP/winsock connection I use mainly Netscape and Windows Pine
and I love it!  The great thing about Pine is that it uses IMAP so
you can leave your mail folders on your host and access them from
any machine (both SLIP-type and shell connections).  It's at:

 <URL:ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pcpine_w.zip>

And it's free!

Now, all I need is a way to leave my .newsrc on my host and be able
to use it from Netscape.  Does anyone know if this is possible?

Thanks,
Nancy


author: Nahum Sharfman

text:
Rob Gabbard ([email]) wrote:
: OK,I've just got this great 486/66 running Windows on my ney here
: at work. I've got winsock and have gotten Net XPress, Mosaic, Netscape,
: and a SOCKS-ified FTP working fine and dandy on it. Now the only thing
: I need to completely cut the umbilical cord from my workstation is a
: good Windows based mailer. I need it to to send and receive mail
: preferably via SMTP (talking to a Unix based sendmail perhaps). I don't
: want to go through all of the WFW Post Office and router crap. Any
: help ?

: Also, a TCP/IP based printing solution would be great to. We've got all
: these network printers arund here that talk to the Unix boxes great but
: my PC is a island in this Unix ocean. HELP !

: Thanks in advance
: -Rob Gabbard

Pronto/IP is in beta right now, going into production in two weeks. It works
over Winsock and requires POP3/SMTP on the host side. Write to
[email] for a beta copy or to order a production copy when
available. Price for a single copy is $69.


author: Gerhard Skolnik

text:
In article <3c0bok$[email]>, [email] says...

I'm sure this is a FAQ, but as a satisfied customer I'll post anyway:
Another good one is Eudora, which is available in both a free and a
commercial version. The commercial version is $65 for a single site,
with price cuts for multiple-site-licenses ($45 for 50, $40 for 100...).

The free version is, well, free, and still offers quite a lot. It cannot
encode/decode binary stuff, but apart from that it isn't missing very much.
Should be available from various ftp sites and is probably called
weudora.zip (I think so, or did they get the release number in?).

More info at [email] or [email]


subject: Re: Hi group

text:
Note, again, the focus on attacking the leadership.  Wikipedia seems
right on target:

"The key element under attack by a troll is the forum or group's
recognized and agreed upon power structure. "  (http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll)


author: jthread

subject: Re: Hi group

text:
you seem to be the real troll here

<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: ~Windsong~

subject: Re: Hi group

text:
I could not have said it any better.........

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:47:14 GMT, "jthread" <[email]> wrote:

<<>>you seem to be the real troll here
<<>>
<<>><[email]> wrote in message
<<>>news:[email]...
<<>>> Note, again, the focus on attacking the leadership.  Wikipedia seems
<<>>> right on target:
<<>>>
<<>>> "The key element under attack by a troll is the forum or group's
<<>>> recognized and agreed upon power structure. "  (http://
<<>>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll)
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>> It is an Ego trip. People are people. The reason rec.ponds got this way,
<<>>>> because their own members allowed it. All they had to do was Put Carol
<<>>>> IP address from huges and bellsouth in a kill file or filter.
<<>>>>
<<>>>> Look at Ron spaming the group. As Carol he has this sense of security,
<<>>>> He runs RPM, so now he doesn't have to pay any attention to anyone about
<<>>>> his conduct. So much that now as you said he is replying here with off
<<>>>> topic remarks,
<<>>>>
<<>>>> where is Jayne now?
<<>>>> Cannon?
<<>>>>
<<>>>> They enabled another Spammer to spam rec.ponds by giving Ron a private
<<>>>> club.- Hide quoted text -
<<>>>>
<<>>>> - Show quoted text -
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>

-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!


author: Law Doctor

subject: Re: Grubor's continued slander

text:
On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, J.D. Falk wrote:

Look Falk, do not tell ME what newsgroups are "valid."

I will tell YOU that from now on, dig?

The fuck it doesn't.  I created it on 12 may 1996, and there are over
300 messages on it right now.

Oh, then who did?  YOU stared that one of my "adversaries"
was entered on the WHOIS listserver.  So just WHO was it?

Answer it now or go to Court and do it.

Yeah, just LOOK at this subject matter. Trying to defame
me already.

Hey J.D. I told you a LONG time ago.
There is a *different hat* for every diferent thread!
This is all a thespian affair.

Hey shmuck, any MONKEY could look at that list an tell it
eas teh n.a.p. voting list.  And the only alteration I made to the
list of "known homosexuals" was to take Peter Berger's name off of it,
because at the time, he was working for an ISP of mine.  But that is no
longer the case, "on the record."

No, I have MANY supporters, but only *I* can correctly argue the issue.
I am also the best patient case who has been to the U.S. Supreme court
already.

Heym the objective for the past few years is to remove
David C(sic) Lawrence from Usenet Administration.  I am much
more qualified to do that than he is right now.

We LOVE AOL!

Fuck you pervert.

You ain't seen nothin yet, boy.

Now look you little cocksucker, J.D. Falk, you always call me on the
telephone and miss me.  The next time you call, leave a phone number
or a *time* when you will call back, and I will be sure to get the
telephone.

Your message this morning sounded very stupid, I must say.

Now are you going to put the m.a.c. up on your server?
Or do you want me to have you fired?

you decide boy.

-DrG,Esq.
CEO-Manus

medpot(c)Foundation


author: Stephen Boursy

subject: Re: Grubor's continued slander

text:
In article <[email]>,
Law Doctor  <[email]> wrote:

	J.D. Falk is indeed a tight ass.

	Yes--pay attention J.D.

	We average 60-80 a day at world.std.com.  AOL carries it--they
are the largest provider in the world.  Check out where J.D. is
coming in from.

	I tend to ignore J.D.--always just says 'No No No' and not
much else.

				Steve
				news.admin.censorship


author: Jim Manson

subject: Re: Grubor's continued slander

text:
[email] (Stephen Boursy) wrote:

dig?  Like wow man ......
massive snip

Is there some reason you feel it necessary to completely repost a 200+
rant in your 9 line response? Try trimming it.


author: DrJohnG

subject: J.D. Falk Problem gets BIGGER

text:
This J.D. Falk keeps leaving messages and no telephone number.
Call me, J.D. Steve and I both want to talk with you.

In article <[email]>,
   [email] (Stephen Boursy) wrote:
:In article <[email]>,
:Law Doctor  <[email]> wrote:
:>On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, J.D. Falk wrote:
:>
:>> [Invalid newsgroups removed from headers.]
:>>
:>
:>Look Falk, do not tell ME what newsgroups are "valid."
:
:
:	J.D. Falk is indeed a tight ass.
:
:
:>
:>I will tell YOU that from now on, dig?
:
:
:
:	Yes--pay attention J.D.
:
:
:>
:>> In news.admin.net-abuse.misc, alt.cyberspace, alt.wired,
:>> 	misc.activisn.cannabis (which doesn't exist), and
:>
:>The fuck it doesn't.  I created it on 12 may 1996, and there are over
:>300 messages on it right now.
:
:
:
:	We average 60-80 a day at world.std.com.  AOL carries it--they
:are the largest provider in the world.  Check out where J.D. is
:coming in from.
:
:	I tend to ignore J.D.--always just says 'No No No' and not
:much else.
:
:				Steve
:				news.admin.censorship
:
:
:
:>
:>> 	news.admin.censorship, Law Doctor <[email]> wrote...
:>>
:>> > You lying cocksucker, I never discussed anything like that with
you.
:>>
:>> Want me to post proof?  Unlike you, I don't say things I can't back
up.
:>>
:>> > You are the Pervert who blew away the manus domain in December,
and you
:>> > are getting cais and InterNIC sued for that.  I have at least
$100,000
:>> > in damages for what you did to my domain.
:>>
:>> Oh, so you've already gotten money from two unrelated entities for
:>> something I never did?
:>>
:>
:>Oh, then who did?  YOU stared that one of my "adversaries"
:>was entered on the WHOIS listserver.  So just WHO was it?
:>
:>Answer it now or go to Court and do it.
:>
:>> > > I agreed to help, remember?
:>> >
:>> > Bullshit, you never agreed to do anything.
:>>
:>> Okay, fine, proof it is then.  I've got more where this came from.
:>>
:>> ] Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 18:32:45 -0500 (EST)
:>> ] From: "J.D. Falk" <[email]>
:>> ] To: DrG <[email]>
:>> ] Subject: Re: Grubor's Effects: Preliminary Results
:>> ]
:>
:>Yeah, just LOOK at this subject matter. Trying to defame
:>me already.
:>
:>> ] On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, DrG wrote:
:>> ]
:>> ] > On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, J.D. Falk wrote:
:>> ] >
:>> ] > > On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, DrG wrote:
:>> ] > >
:>> ] > > > Just get those stupid bastards to agree to the move, a
chgroup
:>> ] > > > and we can get this matter over with.
:>> ] > >
:>> ] > > 	Thing is, calling people dirty names and screaming about
unrelated
:>> ] > > stuff is NOT a good way to get them to agree with you!
:>> ] >
:>> ] > I agree with you.  The only one I can not help screaming and
cussing at
:>> ] > is the albino-windigo-feral. She has been following my ass and
harassing
:>> ] > me for two months now, and it will never end till she stops it.
:>> ]
:>> ] 	Just try to relax and stop reading her messages, and she'll stop
:>> ] posting stuff about you.
:>> ] 	I agree that it can be hard to relax and ignore it when
somebody's
:>> ] flaming you -- I've been there a few times.  But responding
politely or
:>> ] not at all usually stops it from becoming an actual flamewar.
:>> ]
:>> ] > > > Just stop fighting with me J.D.
:>> ] > >
:>> ] > > 	Agreed.
:>> ] > >
:>> ] > O.k., then help to fix the problem.  let them all think I am
crazy, I could
:>> ] > care less -- as long as they get their attention on the
rec.drug.* problem.
:>> ] > Stone hates my guts and makes makes an ass out of me, but for
the
:>> ] > good of the cause I must never say a thing.
:>> ]
:>> ] 	I'll start paying a little more attention to the discussion, and
:>> ] see what can be done to move it in a positive direction.
:>> ]
:>> ] > Seek Tao, and
:>> ] >
:>> ] > Shalom.
:>> ] >
:>> ] > John
:>> ] >
:>>
:>> > > But then you went off and made your "Known
:>> > > Homosexuals" list and all that other bullshit.
:>> >
:>> >
:>> > Right, and it was just that -- "bullshit."
:>> > You know damn well that it was just a list of the people
:>> > who voted for the news.admin.net-abuse.misc newsgroup.
:>>
:>> How could you possibly expect anybody to take your
misc.activism.cannabis
:>> campaign seriously when you incessantly post bullshit and call it
fact?
:>>
:>
:>Hey J.D. I told you a LONG time ago.
:>There is a *different hat* for every different thread!
:>This is all a thespian affair.
:>
:>> > Nobody is going to believe "bullshit" J.D.
:>> > I never even looked at the fucking list.  All I did was
:>> > publish what Dimitri sent me, and it was all a "joke."
:>>
:>> You never admitted publically that it was a joke until now.
:>>
:>
:>Hey shmuck, any MONKEY could look at that list an tell it
:>eas teh n.a.p. voting list.  And the only alteration I made to the
:>list of "known homosexuals" was to take Peter Berger's name off of it,
:>because at the time, he was working for an ISP of mine.  But that is
no
:>longer the case, "on the record."
:>
:>> > > 	It's obvious you don't care one whit about a medical
cannabis
:>> > > newsgroup.  You just want to piss people off.
:>> >
:>> > Hey dude, I *AM* the medical cannabis movement.  ME!
:>>
:>> Oh, so you don't have any supporters after all?
:>>
:>
:>No, I have MANY supporters, but only *I* can correctly argue the
issue.
:>I am also the best patient case who has been to the U.S. Supreme court
:>already.
:>
:>> > I am the only medical user who has filed with the U.S. Supreme
Court,
:>> > and I will be going there again, too.
:>>
:>> Good idea.  That'll have a much more positive effect than anything
you've
:>> been doing with Usenet over the past few years.
:>>
:>
:>Hey the objective for the past few years is to remove
:>David C(sic) Lawrence from Usenet Administration.  I am much
:>more qualified to do that than he is right now.
:>
:>> > > > This is not those recreational drugs like that gnosis and
firebug
:>> > > > and hardrock and the rest of those bad Drug-heads are pushing
:>> > > > in their rec.drugs.* hierarchy.  This is PURE MEDICINE.
:>> > >
:>> > > 	And it's pure bullshit, because nobody carries it.
:>> >
:>> > AOL carries it.  Are they "nobody?"
:>>
:>> They're certainly not what I'd call a responsible ISP when it comes
to
:>> this type of thing.  They'll carry any group, no matter how stupid.
:>>
:>
:>We LOVE AOL!
:>
:>> > > > And this J.D. is SUCH a jerk for trying his
:>> > > > "similar-name" trick.
:>> > >
:>> > > 	You've pissed off everybody who could possibly help you
realize
:>> > > your dream, and now all you can do is complain about me.  To
quote a
:>> > > famous philosopher: "Boy, are you pitiful."
:>> >
:>
:>Fuck you pervert.
:>
:>> > Look you little cocksucker, I have no "dream."
:>> > What I want to happen, I will *make* happen.
:>>
:>> Big words, little grub.  We're all still waiting.
:>>
:>
:>You ain't seen nothin yet, boy.
:>
:>> > > 	Colin, if you're reading any of this, please contact me
privately
:>> > > so that I can explain the enimity John feels towards me.
:>> >
:>> > I do not feel anything towards you.
:>> > You do not deserve any of my attention.
:>>
:>> Then why do you spend so much time telling lies about me?
:>>
:>> > -DrG,Esq.
:>> > Manus-Inc
:>>
:>>
:>> --
:>>  ---------========== J.D. Falk <[email]>
=========---------
:>>   |  "THEY have much more important things to do.  Ever tried
debugging  |
:>>   |   an orbital mind control satellite via a 56kbps satellite
uplink?"  |
:>>   |                       -- David J. Bianco <[email]>
     |
:>>  ----========== http://www.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/home.html
==========----
:>>
:>>      -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
:>>      Version: 3.1
:>>      GCM/CC/IT d---()? s+:+ a21 C++(+++)$ UBLOS*++++$ P+$>++++ L(+)$
E->+
:>>      W++(--)$ N++++$ o++ K+++ w+(--) !O !M V-- PS(++) PE@ Y+ PGP->++
t+(++)
:>>      5+ X+(+++) R(+++)>+ tv+ b+++ DI++(+++) D+ G++(+++) e h-(++)
r>++ y+
:>>      ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
:>>
:>
:>Now look you little cocksucker, J.D. Falk, you always call me on the
:>telephone and miss me.  The next time you call, leave a phone number
:>or a *time* when you will call back, and I will be sure to get the
:>telephone.
:>
:>Your message this morning sounded very stupid, I must say.
:>
:>Now are you going to put the m.a.c. up on your server?
:>Or do you want me to have you fired? Your wire-fraud must be stopped.
:>
:>you decide boy.
:>
:>-DrG,Esq.
:>CEO-Manus
:>
:>medpot(c)Foundation
:>
:>
:
:


author: Sergeant Doctor

subject: Re: J.D. Falk Problem gets BIGGER

text:
In article <4pc2ru$[email]>, [email] (DrJohnG) wrote:
:This J.D. Falk keeps leaving messages and no telephone number.
:Call me, J.D. Steve and I both want to talk with you.
:
:In article <[email]>,
:   [email] (Stephen Boursy) wrote:
::In article <[email]>,
::Law Doctor  <[email]> wrote:
::>On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, J.D. Falk wrote:
::>
::>> [Invalid newsgroups removed from headers.]
::>>
::>
::>Look Falk, do not tell ME what newsgroups are "valid."
::
::
::	J.D. Falk is indeed a tight ass.
::
::
::>
::>I will tell YOU that from now on, dig?
::
::
::
::	Yes--pay attention J.D.
::
::
::>
::>> In news.admin.net-abuse.misc, alt.cyberspace, alt.wired,
::>> 	misc.activisn.cannabis (which doesn't exist), and
::>
::>The fuck it doesn't.  I created it on 12 may 1996, and there are over
::>300 messages on it right now.
::
::
::
::	We average 60-80 a day at world.std.com.  AOL carries it--they
::are the largest provider in the world.  Check out where J.D. is
::coming in from.
::
::	I tend to ignore J.D.--always just says 'No No No' and not
::much else.
::
::				Steve
::				news.admin.censorship
::
::
::
::>
::>> 	news.admin.censorship, Law Doctor <[email]> wrote...
::>>
::>> > You lying cocksucker, I never discussed anything like that with
:you.
::>>
::>> Want me to post proof?  Unlike you, I don't say things I can't back
:up.
::>>
::>> > You are the Pervert who blew away the manus domain in December,
:and you
::>> > are getting cais and InterNIC sued for that.  I have at least
:$100,000
::>> > in damages for what you did to my domain.
::>>
::>> Oh, so you've already gotten money from two unrelated entities for
::>> something I never did?
::>>
::>
::>Oh, then who did?  YOU stared that one of my "adversaries"
::>was entered on the WHOIS listserver.  So just WHO was it?
::>
::>Answer it now or go to Court and do it.
::>
::>> > > I agreed to help, remember?
::>> >
::>> > Bullshit, you never agreed to do anything.
::>>
::>> Okay, fine, proof it is then.  I've got more where this came from.
::>>
::>> ] Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 18:32:45 -0500 (EST)
::>> ] From: "J.D. Falk" <[email]>
::>> ] To: DrG <[email]>
::>> ] Subject: Re: Grubor's Effects: Preliminary Results
::>> ]
::>
::>Yeah, just LOOK at this subject matter. Trying to defame
::>me already.
::>
::>> ] On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, DrG wrote:
::>> ]
::>> ] > On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, J.D. Falk wrote:
::>> ] >
::>> ] > > On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, DrG wrote:
::>> ] > >
::>> ] > > > Just get those stupid bastards to agree to the move, a
:chgroup
::>> ] > > > and we can get this matter over with.
::>> ] > >
::>> ] > > 	Thing is, calling people dirty names and screaming about
:unrelated
::>> ] > > stuff is NOT a good way to get them to agree with you!
::>> ] >
::>> ] > I agree with you.  The only one I can not help screaming and
:cussing at
::>> ] > is the albino-windigo-feral. She has been following my ass and
:harassing
::>> ] > me for two months now, and it will never end till she stops it.
::>> ]
::>> ] 	Just try to relax and stop reading her messages, and she'll stop
::>> ] posting stuff about you.
::>> ] 	I agree that it can be hard to relax and ignore it when
:somebody's
::>> ] flaming you -- I've been there a few times.  But responding
:politely or
::>> ] not at all usually stops it from becoming an actual flamewar.
::>> ]
::>> ] > > > Just stop fighting with me J.D.
::>> ] > >
::>> ] > > 	Agreed.
::>> ] > >
::>> ] > O.k., then help to fix the problem.  let them all think I am
:crazy, I could
::>> ] > care less -- as long as they get their attention on the
:rec.drug.* problem.
::>> ] > Stone hates my guts and makes makes an ass out of me, but for
:the
::>> ] > good of the cause I must never say a thing.
::>> ]
::>> ] 	I'll start paying a little more attention to the discussion, and
::>> ] see what can be done to move it in a positive direction.
::>> ]
::>> ] > Seek Tao, and
::>> ] >
::>> ] > Shalom.
::>> ] >
::>> ] > John
::>> ] >
::>>
::>> > > But then you went off and made your "Known
::>> > > Homosexuals" list and all that other bullshit.
::>> >
::>> >
::>> > Right, and it was just that -- "bullshit."
::>> > You know damn well that it was just a list of the people
::>> > who voted for the news.admin.net-abuse.misc newsgroup.
::>>
::>> How could you possibly expect anybody to take your
:misc.activism.cannabis
::>> campaign seriously when you incessantly post bullshit and call it
:fact?
::>>
::>
::>Hey J.D. I told you a LONG time ago.
::>There is a *different hat* for every different thread!
::>This is all a thespian affair.
::>
::>> > Nobody is going to believe "bullshit" J.D.
::>> > I never even looked at the fucking list.  All I did was
::>> > publish what Dimitri sent me, and it was all a "joke."
::>>
::>> You never admitted publically that it was a joke until now.
::>>
::>
::>Hey shmuck, any MONKEY could look at that list an tell it
::>eas teh n.a.p. voting list.  And the only alteration I made to the
::>list of "known homosexuals" was to take Peter Berger's name off of
it,
::>because at the time, he was working for an ISP of mine.  But that is
:no
::>longer the case, "on the record."
::>
::>> > > 	It's obvious you don't care one whit about a medical
:cannabis
::>> > > newsgroup.  You just want to piss people off.
::>> >
::>> > Hey dude, I *AM* the medical cannabis movement.  ME!
::>>
::>> Oh, so you don't have any supporters after all?
::>>
::>
::>No, I have MANY supporters, but only *I* can correctly argue the
:issue.
::>I am also the best patient case who has been to the U.S. Supreme
court
::>already.
::>
::>> > I am the only medical user who has filed with the U.S. Supreme
:Court,
::>> > and I will be going there again, too.
::>>
::>> Good idea.  That'll have a much more positive effect than anything
:you've
::>> been doing with Usenet over the past few years.
::>>
::>
::>Hey the objective for the past few years is to remove
::>David C(sic) Lawrence from Usenet Administration.  I am much
::>more qualified to do that than he is right now.
::>
::>> > > > This is not those recreational drugs like that gnosis and
:firebug
::>> > > > and hardrock and the rest of those bad Drug-heads are pushing
::>> > > > in their rec.drugs.* hierarchy.  This is PURE MEDICINE.
::>> > >
::>> > > 	And it's pure bullshit, because nobody carries it.
::>> >
::>> > AOL carries it.  Are they "nobody?"
::>>
::>> They're certainly not what I'd call a responsible ISP when it comes
:to
::>> this type of thing.  They'll carry any group, no matter how stupid.
::>>
::>
::>We LOVE AOL!
::>
::>> > > > And this J.D. is SUCH a jerk for trying his
::>> > > > "similar-name" trick.
::>> > >
::>> > > 	You've pissed off everybody who could possibly help you
:realize
::>> > > your dream, and now all you can do is complain about me.  To
:quote a
::>> > > famous philosopher: "Boy, are you pitiful."
::>> >
::>
::>Fuck you pervert.
::>
::>> > Look you little cocksucker, I have no "dream."
::>> > What I want to happen, I will *make* happen.
::>>
::>> Big words, little grub.  We're all still waiting.
::>>
::>
::>You ain't seen nothin yet, boy.
::>
::>> > > 	Colin, if you're reading any of this, please contact me
:privately
::>> > > so that I can explain the enimity John feels towards me.
::>> >
::>> > I do not feel anything towards you.
::>> > You do not deserve any of my attention.
::>>
::>> Then why do you spend so much time telling lies about me?
::>>
::>> > -DrG,Esq.
::>> > Manus-Inc
::>>
::>>
::>> --
::>>  ---------========== J.D. Falk <[email]>
:=========---------
::>>   |  "THEY have much more important things to do.  Ever tried
:debugging  |
::>>   |   an orbital mind control satellite via a 56kbps satellite
:uplink?"  |
::>>   |                       -- David J. Bianco <[email]>

:     |
::>>  ----========== http://www.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/home.html
:==========----
::>>
::>>      -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
::>>      Version: 3.1
::>>      GCM/CC/IT d---()? s+:+ a21 C++(+++)$ UBLOS*++++$ P+$>++++
L(+)$
:E->+
::>>      W++(--)$ N++++$ o++ K+++ w+(--) !O !M V-- PS(++) PE@ Y+
PGP->++
:t+(++)
::>>      5+ X+(+++) R(+++)>+ tv+ b+++ DI++(+++) D+ G++(+++) e h-(++)
:r>++ y+
::>>      ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
::>>
::>
::>Now look you little cocksucker, J.D. Falk, you always call me on the
::>telephone and miss me.  The next time you call, leave a phone number
::>or a *time* when you will call back, and I will be sure to get the
::>telephone.
::>
::>Your message this morning sounded very stupid, I must say.
::>
::>Now are you going to put the m.a.c. up on your server?
::>Or do you want me to have you fired? Your wire-fraud must be stopped.
::>
::>you decide boy.
::>
::>-DrG,Esq.
::>CEO-Manus
::>
::>medpot(c)Foundation
::>
::>
::
::


subject: Re: J.D. Falk Problem gets BIGGER

text:
[email] (DrJohnG) wrote:

[even more invalid newsgroups removed from header]

I don't believe this- first Grubor posts a 200+ line rant, then
Boursey includes it verbatim in his short response, then Grubor
includes it in his short response to that short response.....
geometric progression at work, this sucker will be over 1000 lines
in no time.

TRIM IT


author: Helgor Teupern

subject: XNews starttls

text:
Hi,

I usually could send messages from Xnews. Since a few days I always get an
error: 530 5.7.0 Must issue a Starttls command first

What should I do to get it working?

Kind regards
Helgor


author: Alan Connor

subject: Re: XNews starttls

text:
On news.software.readers, in
<Xns985468D859128RoedeOrm@137.138.140.55>, "Helgor Teupern"
wrote:

So. It wasn't _your_ mail server that gave you that error
message. Not surprised at all. I've sent your headers here
to spamcop.

Alan


subject: Re: XNews starttls

text:
Helgor Teupern <[email]> wrote in
news:Xns985468D859128RoedeOrm@137.138.140.55:

More precisely: It only happens forwarding by mail. Posting to newsgroups
is o.k.

Helgor


author: Sam

subject: Re: XNews starttls

text:
Usenet Beavis writes:

Beavis, meet Helgor.  Helgor, meet Beavis, our resident village idiot.


subject: Re: XNews starttls

text:
On news.software.readers, in
<Xns98546A40AFB5BRoedeOrm@137.138.140.55>, "Helgor Teupern"
wrote:

Your mail service provider is now requiring a TLS (transport
layer security) connection to their server as a part of the
authentication process. It's like SSL or SSH. An encrypted
tunnel.

Don't know whether xnews has that capability or not. If you
were running linux I'd suggest you install msmtp to send your
mail off, which has TLS/SSL capability, as well as most of the
authentication protocols.

Don't know anything about windows except that I'm glad I don't
use it anymore :-)

Alan


subject: Re: XNews starttls

text:
On news.software.readers, in
<[email]>, "Alan Connor" wrote:

But I'd imagine that xnews passed the mail off to OE or Outlook
and it's there that you'd have to enable TLS.


author: Geoff Allen

subject: rec.roller-coaster FAQ, part 1/3: General info & introduction

text:
Archive-name: roller-coaster-faq/part1
Last-modified: Tue Jul 06, 1993; 16:00:07 MDT

         Welcome to the world of Roller-Coaster fanaticism!
         --------------------------------------------------

This article, and the two that follow it, make up the regular info
posting for rec.roller-coaster, the net's own asylum for coaster
fanatics.  In this posting, you'll find everything (or, almost
everything) you need to know to be a coaster fanatic, too!

Enjoy your ride!!!!

--------

Changes from the last posting:

    Added references in the definition section to images on the ftp
    site, gboro.rowan.edu to images that do a good job of illustrating
    that particular definition.

    Added to the references section a book (THE GREAT AMERICAN AMUSEMENT
    PARK, by Gary Kyriazi) and an ordering source (Gunther Hall,
    Limited) based on info given in posts in a recent thread on
    rec.roller-coaster.

    Took the Frontier City Wildcat off the Classic Coaster list.
    Apparently Frontier City heavily modified the NAD trains on the
    coaster, adding an extra bench in each car and adding seat belts and
    ratcheting lap bars.  ACE removed the Wildcat's Classic designation as
    a result.

    Added the newest Magnum-clone coaster to the ``New 4 94'' list.
    (It's a Magnum-style coaster going in to a new park in the Las Vegas
    area; the coaster is supposed to be like Magnum, only bigger and
    faster.)

    Added the location of the restored Comet from Crystal Beach, since
    the Western New York Coaster Club let the cat out of the bag in
    their newsletter (Western New Yorkers should be *very* excited :^) ).

--------

Contents:

Part 1 (this part):
  1. Newsgroup Charter -- rec.roller-coaster
  2. Usenet info
  3. About this document
Part 2:
  4. Common abbreviations
  5. Definitions of Roller-Coaster terms
  6. Roller Coaster/Amusement Park Organizations
     A. American Coaster Enthusiasts - ACE
     B. Mid-Atlantic Coaster Club - MACC
     C. Western New York Coaster Club - WNYCC
     D. First Drop - U.K. Coaster Club
     E. National Amusement Park Historical Association - NAPHA
     F. National Carousel Association - NCA
  7. References, Resources, etc.
     A. Books on Roller Coasters and Amusement Parks
     B. Magazines
     C. FTP site
  8. Amusement Industry Jobs
Part 3:
  9. Lists, statistics, and other arcana
     A. Roller Coaster Designer Info
     B. Roller Coaster Record Holders
     C. ACE's Classic Coaster Roster
     D. Inside Track ``Top Coasters'' Readers Survey
     E. Amusement Park Attendance Statistics
     F. Coming Attractions -- new coasters for 93 and beyond!
     G. List of Endangered Coasters in USA

--------

1. Newsgroup Charter -- rec.roller-coaster

rec.roller-coaster	Roller coasters and other amusement park rides.

rec.roller-coaster is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
creation by 184:72 as reported in news.announce.newsgroups on 21 July 1991.

This newsgroup is for the discussion of any amusement park rides,
including but not limited to, roller coasters. Other topics include park
operating times/season schedules, admission prices, latest attractions,
future expansion efforts, etc.

2. Usenet info

If you're new to Usenet, I'd really recommend reading the newsgroups
news.announce.newusers and news.newusers.questions for a while.  You can
learn a lot of useful things, and even some not so useful things.

3. About this document

This document is in three parts.  Part 1, this part, offers a table of
contents to the posts, plus a general introduction. Part 2 offers general
roller-coaster info -- abbreviations, definitions, and information on
organizations and references for the roller coaster/amusement park
enthusiast. Part 3 contains lists and statistics relating to coasters. It
is also the most volatile section, more likely than the others to be
changed. (The list of changes appears in Part 1, above.)

These articles are posted monthly to rec.roller-coaster, rec.answers, and
news.answers. The rec.roller-coaster FAQ was originally compiled by Dave
Rounds ([email]), then maintained by Bill Buckley
([email]), and has now fallen into my hands
([email]). Comments and questions are most welcome via
e-mail to Geoff.

You can get a copy of the latest version of this document via anonymous
FTP from the ``official'' roller-coaster FTP site, gboro.rowan.edu, in
directory /pub/Coasters (more on the site later).  You can also get a
copy from the official archive of news.answers, which is on
pit-manager.mit.edu (alias rtfm.mit.edu) in the directory
/pub/usenet-by-group/rec.roller-coaster.
(A lot of other interesting FAQs are there, too. The name under which a
FAQ is archived appears in the Archive-name: line at the top of the
article.  This FAQ, for example, is archived as
roller-coaster-faq/part1.  If you just want to browse there, try
directory /pub/usenet-by-hierarchy, where the dots in newsgroup names
represent directories.  So these documents are in
/pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/rec/roller-coaster.)

If you don't know how to use FTP, or don't even know if you can at
your site (not all sites can), ask a knowledgeable user at your site.

Special thanks to all the contributors, commentators, error-correctors
and others who've helped to make this FAQ possible.  They are (in no
particular order):

     Mark Wyatt (of Inside Track magazine)
     [email] (``Buck'')
     [email] (Me, Geoff Allen)
     [email] (Ronnie Swain)
     [email] (Tom Obszanski)
     [email]
     [email] (Ken Denton)
     [email] (little gator aka s. mudgett)
     [email] (Kara L. Robinson)
     [email] (Michael A. Cornell)
     [email]
     [email] (Paul Asente)
     [email] (Patty Winter)
     [email] (Tom Maglione)
     [email] (Bill Figie)
     Nora G.

And now....    On with the show!!!!!!!