subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:13:23 -0700, Bob Casanova <[email]>
wrote:

Abnormal psychology just just that.

The answer is obvious: the secular viewpoint (i.e., all religions
are observed to be detremental in varying degrees, wrong in
varying degrees, irrational in all cases, and unworthy of adult
consideration).


author: Bob Casanova

subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:13:23 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <[email]>:

Well, Kalkidas? No answer?


author: Burkhard

subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On 25 July, 16:29, "Kalkidas" <[email]> wrote:

Pretty stupid suggestion, I'd say. Historians and sociologists of
science, especially those of an ethnomethodological bend, study the
emergence and development of science and scientific theories without
declaring whether those scientific theories are actually true either.
Doesn't mean they think they are not true, or that they think there
are no good reasons to believe they are, just that it is sometimes
methodologically fruitful to study _any_ belief system without getting
into the issue of truth.  The corresponding label of "ascientific
would be rightly rejected by them.


author: Eric Root

subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Jul 24, 11:58ï¿½am, Desertphile <[email]>
wrote:

That's not "the secular viewpoint," that's "the religion-hater's
viewpoint," and you know it.

Eric Root


author: Steinn Sigurdsson

subject: space policy

text:
Any opinions on what effect having Sally Ride as
science, space and technology co-ordinator will
have on Clinton's space policy???

|  Steinn Sigurdsson	|I saw two shooting stars last night		|
|  Lick Observatory	|I wished on them but they were only satellites	|
| [email] |Is it wrong to wish on space hardware?		|
| "standard disclaimer"	|I wish, I wish, I wish you'd care - B.B. 1983	|


author: Henry Spencer

subject: Re: space policy

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:

Depends.  What does a "co-ordinator" do?  Long odds she will have little
or no input into policy decisions, which means "no effect".


subject: Re: space policy

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Henry Spencer) writes:

   In article <[email]> [email] (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:

   Depends.  What does a "co-ordinator" do?  Long odds she will have little
   or no input into policy decisions, which means "no effect".

Dunno, any Yank types know what a "co-ordinator" does?

My impression was she'd pick administration appointees
(does she get on with Goldin? e-mail if you don't want to
say in public ;-)  - I think NSF director will probably
stay, but NIH might change, plus there'll be a bunch of
lower level appointees. Also she might have input into
who the Presidential Science Advisor will be, maybe whether
there'll be a Kennedy style science advisory panel and what
level access it will have, maybe she'll have input into
setup and format of CARPA proposed?
I was also under the impression the sector advisors oversaw
the committees that drafted the early policy papers and any
relevant executive orders?

It ain't my government, any USA types that _know_?

|  Steinn Sigurdsson	|I saw two shooting stars last night		|
|  Lick Observatory	|I wished on them but they were only satellites	|
| [email] |Is it wrong to wish on space hardware?		|
| "standard disclaimer"	|I wish, I wish, I wish you'd care - B.B. 1983	|


subject: Re: space policy

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:

   In article <[email]> [email] (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:

   Hard to say. She could be nothing more than window dressing to get
   support for whatever they have already decided to do. She may also
   have real input. I can't help but feel that it is more the former
   than latter.


author: Allen W. Sherzer

subject: Re: space policy

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:

Hard to say. She could be nothing more than window dressing to get
support for whatever they have already decided to do. She may also
have real input. I can't help but feel that it is more the former
than latter.

  Allen


subject: Re: space policy

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:

It's not her decision. I mean nothing negative about Ride about whom
I have great respect. I'm sure she was told she would have great input
and access. Wether that is true or not is an open question. She may give
excellent advice but Clinton may decide not to listen.

I only raise the issue because if *I* where going to pick an advisor more
for window dressing than advice, she is the one I would pick.

I think he has decided most of the important issues but nobody but
Clinton knows for sure.

  Allen


author: itma

subject: Re: The Dalai Lama's non-violence?

text:
DHARAMSHALA, India, Feb. 15, 1999 -- (Reuters) Tibet's spiritual and
political leader-in-exile, the 14th Dalai Lama (pictured), has said that
informal communication with China over the future of Tibet has come to a
complete halt.

"There were informal channels working, and since the early part of last year
they were working smoothly. But since the last six months things have
changed," he said in an interview on Friday in Dharamshala, the Himalayan
town from where he runs a Tibetan government-in-exile.

"Now there is no communication, even through these informal channels, and
meantime the situation in Tibet is becoming much worse, more tight," added
the Dalai Lama, 63-year-old Tenzin Gyatso.

 The Dalai Lama, who met U.S. president Bill Clinton briefly last November,
had hoped negotiations with the Chinese might be brokered through pressure
from the United States, but admitted the euphoria which the meeting
generated had produced little. (Pictured in an archive photo, U.S. President
Bill Clinton (L) talks with the Dalai Lama during a November 1998 visit.)

"I am ready to talk... anywhere, any time, without pre-conditions. That's my
middle-way approach, strictly non-violent," he said. "I am not seeking
independence."

"But 1999 is the 50th anniversary of founding of PRC (People's Republic of
China, and the 10th year since the Tiananmen (uprising) and also for the
Tibetan case, the 40th anniversary, and so I think the Chinese government is
taking every sort of precaution," he said.

China annexed Tibet in 1950.

In March 1959, the Dalai Lama and 80,000 other Tibetans entered India with
the cooperation of then Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru to set up
offices at the former British hill station of Dharamshala in the state of
Himachal Pradesh.

The spiritual leader, who won the Nobel peace prize in 1989, said Beijing
had hardened its position on dissidents and democratic movements.

"They have adopted a very tough policy, so I think overall they are becoming
much more tough and hard-line," he added.

Since 1959, thousands of Tibetans have followed the Dalai Lama to India, and
hundreds more continue to arrive each month from Tibet, usually travelling a
tough, freezing route over the Himalayan mountains.

Many stay in India for the Tibetan education in religious schools, while
others return to Tibet, where they can face imprisonment and job loss if
discovered.

"I am always telling them (the Tibetans), look at things from a wide
perspective. Second, I always say 40 years or 50 years in one life is quite
long, but for a nation's history it is very short," the Dalai Lama said.

"In the 60s and the 70s, the Chinese accused me of being a wolf with a
monk's robe. It doesn't matter, I am still here, a simple Buddhist monk," he
said.

"The Tibetan issue is not just the Dalai Lama issue, it is the issue of the
lives of six million Tibetans," he said.

The Dalai Lama said some of his followers, especially those in India, may
find his non-violent approach testing their patience.

Last year, against the wishes of the Dalai Lama, the India-based Tibetan
Youth Congress launched a hunger strike until death in New Delhi. It ended
in the self-immolation of Thupten Ngodup, a 50-year-old Tibetan activist.

In early January, a branch of the Congress stormed the Chinese embassy in
New Delhi, setting Chinese flags on fire.

The Dalai Lama said the Chinese army could react strongly if the Tibetans
took to violence.

"I think they are waiting for this kind of problem because they can find a
solution very easily. I say cool down and think at a practical level," he
said.

"Now, Tibet is in a way now dying," the Dalai Lama said, referring to
changes in the attitude towards Tibetan Buddhism even among his followers.

"My most important task and responsibility is to contribute to the
preservation of Tibetan cultural heritage with the Tibetan people. Once that
is achieved, my responsibility is fulfilled." ( (c) 1999 Reut

Raymond wrote in message <[email]>...


author: Raymond

subject: Re: The Dalai Lama's non-violence?

text:
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:17:54 -0500, "itma" <[email]> wrote:

If the Dalai Lama is just a simple monk who cares Tibetan and their
cultural heritage so much, why doesn't he just go back to tibet as a
simple monk? Surely a simple monk would have no fears, and a simple
monk would have no desire in politics.


author: Liguo Sun

subject: Re: The Dalai Lama's non-violence?

text:
"itma" <[email]> wrote:

The Dalai Lama still refuses to acknowledge that
Tibet is a part of China.

Most likely it is because he has again changed his position,
like he has done so many times in the past.

Only a fool will believe that pressure from a foreign
power can gets him what he wants from the Chinese.

The CCP has two pre-conditions: about the ownership
of Tibet and Taiwan.

It may well be true.

Not true.  On the contrary, British attempts to keep Tibet
as one of their domains came to an end in 1950, when
Chinese troops chased them out, as envisioned by the
Law of 1793.  It was the British who tried, and almost
managed, to keep Tibet as what they called "Outer Tibet", a
piece of stolen goods.

There was an armed conflict that in Tibet that year.   Both
side played hard ball and the Dalai Lama lost.

Again, it may well be true.

It is a bit curious.  If the CCP, or most of the "Chinese" for
that matter, really want to get rid of the Dalai Lama's
supporters, it will be more raesonable that the would-be
tarvellers be sent off, even with some fanfare.   The
Dalai Lama's group seem to claim that their "Tibetans"
are both wanted and loathed by the CCP.  It is hard to
understand their claims.  Tibet as a region gets tons
of money from the rest of the Chinese Mainland, and
one would think that if the CCP wanted to save some
money the easiest thing to do would be to help the
Dalai Lama's supporters leave.

It is hard to believe that he is a simple monk.

His math is not so good either.

It seems that's his way of making threats.

That's pretty violent by any standards :-).

-LS


author: user

subject: Re: The Dalai Lama's non-violence?

text:
L(ying) S(talinists) wrote

This is wrong,
because
RUSSIA IN THE NAME OF MONGOLIA
has the only one TRUE pre-condition:
The OWNERSHIP of the CCP!

Just a question:
Why do you propagate the primitive thinking of a corrupted regime,
that 99 percent of ALL CHINESE WISH ON THE TRASH?
Are you one of the 1 percent of the C_orrupted C_criminal P_arty?

In case of a next WW3,
that your regime is in PREPARATION and
because of what you friendly have WARNED US,
initiated by the mental diseased corrupted regime in Beijing,
if such a WW3 would start against India or Taiwan
at first Russia would blast and crack CCP into as many pieces as they liked,
or do you believe,
that even one US-soldier would spend half a dime for your corrupt regime
in case if the Russians would realise their traditional
OWNERSHIP OVER THE CCP?

Therefore the dreams of your RACISTIC REGIME in Beijing
of a NEXT WW3 against Taiwan and India
will end in the TOTAL DESTRUCTION of the regime and its fools,
the same way as what the US made with the nazis at Nurnberg,
hanging the most responsible monsters.

Remember, the Russians are as partners and former rulers of Mongolia
the ONLY REAL AND ONLY TRUE OWNERS of CCR
and perhaps they will bring back into their empire what is their own.

Just to make you understand the real facts:
Russia has constructed the most precise and most powerful
nuclear raketes, a technical "break through" with a nuclear destruction
capability, that each is far stronger as a hundred of your toy-bombs
together.
So, why is your regime so extremly interested to feel what is prepared for
them
in case of their aggression, indeed, this does remind me of the crazy nazis!

Could it be, that not only the Russians would blast your most primitive and
stupid dreams
of starting the 3rd World War against India and Taiwan
- both DEMOCRATIC AND PEACEFUL NATIONS -
in a very few time into more pieces as a cake that is falling down the Mt.
Everest?
It seems, too much smoke in your office has reduced your oxygen-circulation
and so your brain is perhaps not working clearly and correctly enough
to tell us your mental diseased dream of the next WW3?
Stop smoking too much, LS(D), and try to find back to normality!

of
is

What a primitive view, L.s.,
as WE REMEMBER THE CRIME OF YOUR HOLOCAUST-REGIME
that is MURDERING TIBETANS BABIES with needles in their head
and INVADING TIBET WITH THE RACISTS OF THE "BETTER CHINESE BLOOD".

INDEED!
They MURDERED MILLION OF INNOCENT AND PEACEFUL TIBETANS!

The racistic stalinistic monsters destroyed and burned more than 90 percent
of the beautiful monasteries,
tortured tenthousands of innocent monks and nuns to death
and
TODAY MORE THAN 10 PERCENT of the TIBETANS ARE PRISONERS IN
THE CHINESE KZ-system,
Tibetans are 50 percent of the prisoners in the torturing KZ's of the
Chinese
though Tibetans are a small minority of 10 Million people
against nearby 2 000 Million Chinese!
This is another clear proof
that this is a SADISTIC RACISTIC HOLOCAUST!

The only "not true" is your cheap "L(ying) S(talinistic) propaganda, dude!

You are too primitive to misunderstand some dozen elder trecking tourists
as the British Army,
this is another clear proof of the most primitive "education" in your
schools,
therefore what is leaving Stalin-China is:
Primitive toy, lousy loud-speakers and primitive pre-produced parts.
Have a look at Japan and its few 200 Million people,
just 10 percent of the Chinese and HOW MUCH VALUE IS THEIR PRODUCTION!
The former teachers of Japan, the Chinese,
are today totally suppressed loosers of a total C_orrupt C_omunist P_arty.

Therefore it is nothing new that the primitive evil eyes of mental disturbed
terrorists and thieves are starring greedily
unto the far better educated people of the
DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CHINA,
Taiwan,
as there do live the children
of the FAR MORE INTELLIGENT former class of the BEST EDUCATED Chinese,
teachers, philosophers, scientists, taoists etc.
a class that your mental disturbed regime had MURDERED,
at least 110 Million victims.

The sex-obsessed corrupt Mao wrote the cheating lousy poem
"where went the Tao",
but no question, the Tao left the MONSTER-REGIME in Beijing
as nearby anyone Taoist had been MURDERED in Stalin-China
and so the better educated escaped to TAIWAN!
No miracle, that your regime is greedily starring with its evil thieves-eyes
unto the WEALTH AS A RESULT of
a FREE DEMOCRATIC NATION!

Be sure, Dude, the first mental diseased Chinese soldier of Beijing
who would start the WW3 against Taiwan or India,
will change your total corrupted and crashing country into a real nuclear
trash!

You must be mentally disordered to think such crazy illness
like:
The ccp would be the "owner" of TAIWAN...

Differently,
your total C_orrupt C_ommunists P_arty
has changed the terror-country China
into a lousy primitive country,
the "big jump" was another "fat bump" into the trash,
instead it was a time of secretly
MURDERING again 10 Million of the BEST educated people of China and Tibet
and to destroy AGAIN 90 percent of all the ancient treasures and temples
in Tibet and in gulag-China.

Is this meant as the interesting discussion of the war-crime
against your "socialistic brothers" in Vietnam,
after your
C_hinese C_riminals P_arty had started
BOMBING and KILLING
the helpless people of Vietnam after the end of the US-Vietnam War
and started a big offense against the suffering nation of Vietnam
in order to finish what the US-bomber had not "successfully" done?
???

At least THIS war-crime did show ALL OF US in the west
that your regime is DIRTY, CORRUPT and a RACISTIC pest!
Worse:
Pol Pot was your best C_riminal C_hinese P_artner, eh?

But listen,
the war-trained Vietkongs kicked the C_riminal C_hinese P-arty fools into
their weak a...holes
and made it visible, that they are a big fat but primitive dismotivated
puppet army!

The Vietkong made us remember,
that just 200 000 hungry Japenese soldiers
have totally controlled complete China during the years of the WW2.

The weak Chinese puppet Army is perhaps able to torture peaceful nuns
and monks and Tibetans to death and to murder innocent helpless people,
but compared with the highly motivated army of the USA and the British.
they are in fact a weak army dispite of their "big size".

The corrupt Chinese Secret Service did place some bombs in Lhasa
to declare their evil racistic suppression as a "devence",
but of course
THEY DID NEVER AGREE TO ORDER WESTERN SPECIALISTS TO CONTROL IT
as they did know that their explosives were made by themselves.
A real silly, far too primitive trick since Hitler and his "defence" against
the Czech.

Of course it is true,
it is true, that the nazi-regime in Beijing is too corrupt as to be able to
understand,
that today all the young people in the FREE WORLD SPITE TOWARD YOUR RACISTIC
REGIME!
Wait to the moment, when all of us got the MAIORITY,
it is not TOO MUCH TIME until then!

AFTER this change the word mercy will be forgotten against the evil
Stalinism in Beijing,
as you killed and murdered many decades and holocausted smilingly the
Chinese
and the Tibetans,
so you will remember on day the Iraq, South Africa, Jemen, Cuba, Yugoslavia
and so many other, no doubt,
as your cruel regime is not willing to make in time a visible change
into democracy and enough autonome country for the Tibetans and the Dalai
Lama,
to live there as free people.
There is not too much time for you and your regime,
and so I do feel well balanced,
the time for revenge will come- surprisingly, strongly, without mercy.

See me smiling:
A worldwide total blockade to bring your PERVERSE AND CORRUPTED regime
to a crash will help the democratic Chinese people
and the Tibetans to set all of your needless comunists flags on fire!
To get free!
For ever!
You seem to wait for this day very happily! :-)

user


author: Thug

subject: Re: The Dalai Lama's non-violence?

text:
Wed., Feb. 17, 1999 at: Lon 11:55 a.m. Pra 12:55 p.m. NY 6:55 a.m. HK
6:55 p.m.

                    TIN: Police Rape Tibetan Women on Way to Dalai
                    Lama

                    BEIJING, Feb. 17, 1999 -- (Agence
                    France Presse, Reuters) Chinese police
                    attacked a group of young Tibetan women
                    trying to cross the border into Nepal and
                    beat and raped two of them, the Tibet
                    Information Network (TIN) said
                    Wednesday.

                    It said the five young women were trying
                    to reach the exiled Dalai Lama at Dharamsala in
India and to study at a
                    Tibetan school there when they were arrested by
Chinese and Tibetan
                    policemen at a guesthouse near the border.

                    Members of the group who arrived in Kathmandu were
quoted as saying
                    that all five of them were taken to an empty
building where two were tied
                    to a chair and gagged.

                    Two of the women in their late teens were then
raped in front of two
                    others.

                    One of the victims, aged 19, was beaten with an
electric baton and raped
                    while unconscious, the TIN said.

                    The pair were arrested in the Tibetan border town
of Burang and
                    managed to escape after seeking treatment at a
hospital.

                    The report could not be independently confirmed.

                    During the alleged rapes, a fifth woman was
separated from the group
                    and taken to the upper floors of the building, the
London-based network
                    said.

                    "We didn't know what happened to her but it seemed
that she was raped
                    as well as the other two," a 17-year-old woman was
quoted as saying.

                    The network said she was one of the two group
members who arrived in
                    exile in December after escaping from hospital and
fleeing into exile in
                    Nepal.

                    The other three women have been transferred to a
detention center in
                    Tibet, the women were quoted as saying.

                    TIN said reports of rape by police in Tibet are
rare although there have
                    been unofficial accounts of sexual torture of
female and male prisoners by
                    guards using electric prods.

                    A strong exiled Tibetan population has built up
                    around the Dalai Lama (pictured in archive photo)
                    in Dharamsala, including the Tibetan government
                    in exile.

                    China, which claims its control over Tibet reaches
                    back to the 13th century, sent troops into the
                    troubled region in 1951. ( (c) 1999 Agence
                    France Presse, Reuters)


author: tester

subject: Re: The Dalai Lama's non-violence?

text:
-
Liguo Sun <[email]> wrote in article
<[email]>...
that
a

The tibetan language (which a friend of mine knows very well) is totally
different than Chinese. The TIbetans are NO MORE chinese than e.g.
inhabitants of modern England are German.
We all know this, and we know that you've been polluting this newsgroup
(alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan)
with endless propaganda. If you didn't have a gullible idiot to argue
against
you ('user') you would probably get tired and dissappear.

November,
pressure
President
visit.)

Of course. China is too big and too strong. As well as an authoritarian
regime.

Which is why Americans are NOT interested in the Dalai Lama and the
Tibetans except to a very small degree. They are more interested in profits
from trade with China. We all know that.

The Tibetans have been sold. Silicon chips and computers are the price.
They are manufactured in PRC cheaply and sent to the west through
Taiwan and other channels of trade.

That's my

Tibet is NOT Taiwan. Taiwan was always Chinese and the people there
are Chinese, look Chinese, and speak a dialect of Chine, Tibet was invaded,
the Tibetan people do not speak Chinese and have never been Chinese,
except in the (remote) sense that today's English people have partly been
a few hundred years ago "Saxons" i.e. Germans.

It was the British who played a part in harming Tibet, yes.
The Chinese probably played a worse part.

Beijing

At last we can agree on something.

Tibetan
ended
activist.
in

And you laiugh, huh?

Go on, continue fighting with 'user'.  You might do a similar disservice to
China as 'user' does to tibet. You are the newsgroup's salt and pepper.

Personally I would be satisfied if human rights are more respected in
Tibet,
and if the Tibetans feel happy with themselves achieving a kind of regional
self-government. National autonomy is unlikely, as this issue has been sold
out.  ( My computer has more Chinese hardware in it than Tibetan wisdom ).

I like the good aspects of Chinese civilisation, like Taoism, but
gross barbarisms like Tienamen square are not liked by anyone.
Neither is the previous behaviour of China in Tibet.

Regards
Karma Samten Sangpo
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/6572


subject: Re: The Dalai Lama's non-violence?

text:
Stop spamming Buddhist newsgroups.

Mick

Liguo Sun wrote in message ...
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November,
pressure
President
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subject: Re: The Dalai Lama's non-violence?

text:
Stop spamming Buddhist newsgroups.

Mick

Liguo Sun wrote in message ...
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part of last year
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channels, and
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also for the
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movements.
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Dalai Lama said.
wolf with a
Buddhist monk," he
the issue of the
in India, may
India-based Tibetan
Delhi. It ended
Tibetan activist.
Chinese embassy in


subject: Re: The Dalai Lama's non-violence?

text:
user ([email]) wrote:

: L(ying) S(talinists) wrote
: >The CCP has two pre-conditions: about the ownership
: >of Tibet and Taiwan.

: This is wrong,
: because
: RUSSIA IN THE NAME OF MONGOLIA
: has the only one TRUE pre-condition:
: The OWNERSHIP of the CCP!

: Just a question:
: Why do you propagate the primitive thinking of a corrupted regime,
: that 99 percent of ALL CHINESE WISH ON THE TRASH?
: Are you one of the 1 percent of the C_orrupted C_criminal P_arty?

: In case of a next WW3,
: that your regime is in PREPARATION and
: because of what you friendly have WARNED US,
: initiated by the mental diseased corrupted regime in Beijing,
: if such a WW3 would start against India or Taiwan
: at first Russia would blast and crack CCP into as many pieces as they liked,
: or do you believe,
: that even one US-soldier would spend half a dime for your corrupt regime
: in case if the Russians would realise their traditional
: OWNERSHIP OVER THE CCP?

: Therefore the dreams of your RACISTIC REGIME in Beijing
: of a NEXT WW3 against Taiwan and India
: will end in the TOTAL DESTRUCTION of the regime and its fools,
: the same way as what the US made with the nazis at Nurnberg,
: hanging the most responsible monsters.

: Remember, the Russians are as partners and former rulers of Mongolia
: the ONLY REAL AND ONLY TRUE OWNERS of CCR
: and perhaps they will bring back into their empire what is their own.

: Just to make you understand the real facts:
: Russia has constructed the most precise and most powerful
: nuclear raketes, a technical "break through" with a nuclear destruction
: capability, that each is far stronger as a hundred of your toy-bombs
: together.
: So, why is your regime so extremly interested to feel what is prepared for
: them
: in case of their aggression, indeed, this does remind me of the crazy nazis!

: Could it be, that not only the Russians would blast your most primitive and
: stupid dreams
: of starting the 3rd World War against India and Taiwan
: - both DEMOCRATIC AND PEACEFUL NATIONS -
: in a very few time into more pieces as a cake that is falling down the Mt.
: Everest?
: It seems, too much smoke in your office has reduced your oxygen-circulation
: and so your brain is perhaps not working clearly and correctly enough
: to tell us your mental diseased dream of the next WW3?
: Stop smoking too much, LS(D), and try to find back to normality!

: >> "But 1999 is the 50th anniversary of founding of PRC (People's Republic
: of
: >> China, and the 10th year since the Tiananmen (uprising) and also for the
: >> Tibetan case, the 40th anniversary, and so I think the Chinese government
: is
: >> taking every sort of precaution," he said.

: >It may well be true.<

: What a primitive view, L.s.,
: as WE REMEMBER THE CRIME OF YOUR HOLOCAUST-REGIME
: that is MURDERING TIBETANS BABIES with needles in their head
: and INVADING TIBET WITH THE RACISTS OF THE "BETTER CHINESE BLOOD".

: >> China annexed Tibet in 1950. <<

: INDEED!
: They MURDERED MILLION OF INNOCENT AND PEACEFUL TIBETANS!

: The racistic stalinistic monsters destroyed and burned more than 90 percent
: of the beautiful monasteries,
: tortured tenthousands of innocent monks and nuns to death
: and
: TODAY MORE THAN 10 PERCENT of the TIBETANS ARE PRISONERS IN
: THE CHINESE KZ-system,
: Tibetans are 50 percent of the prisoners in the torturing KZ's of the
: Chinese
: though Tibetans are a small minority of 10 Million people
: against nearby 2 000 Million Chinese!
: This is another clear proof
: that this is a SADISTIC RACISTIC HOLOCAUST!

: >Not true.<

: The only "not true" is your cheap "L(ying) S(talinistic) propaganda, dude!

: > On the contrary, British attempts to keep Tibet
: >as one of their domains came to an end in 1950, when
: >Chinese troops chased them out

: You are too primitive to misunderstand some dozen elder trecking tourists
: as the British Army,
: this is another clear proof of the most primitive "education" in your
: schools,
: therefore what is leaving Stalin-China is:
: Primitive toy, lousy loud-speakers and primitive pre-produced parts.
: Have a look at Japan and its few 200 Million people,
: just 10 percent of the Chinese and HOW MUCH VALUE IS THEIR PRODUCTION!
: The former teachers of Japan, the Chinese,
: are today totally suppressed loosers of a total C_orrupt C_omunist P_arty.

: Therefore it is nothing new that the primitive evil eyes of mental disturbed
: terrorists and thieves are starring greedily
: unto the far better educated people of the
: DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CHINA,
: Taiwan,
: as there do live the children
: of the FAR MORE INTELLIGENT former class of the BEST EDUCATED Chinese,
: teachers, philosophers, scientists, taoists etc.
: a class that your mental disturbed regime had MURDERED,
: at least 110 Million victims.

: The sex-obsessed corrupt Mao wrote the cheating lousy poem
: "where went the Tao",
: but no question, the Tao left the MONSTER-REGIME in Beijing
: as nearby anyone Taoist had been MURDERED in Stalin-China
: and so the better educated escaped to TAIWAN!
: No miracle, that your regime is greedily starring with its evil thieves-eyes
: unto the WEALTH AS A RESULT of
: a FREE DEMOCRATIC NATION!

: Be sure, Dude, the first mental diseased Chinese soldier of Beijing
: who would start the WW3 against Taiwan or India,
: will change your total corrupted and crashing country into a real nuclear
: trash!

: You must be mentally disordered to think such crazy illness
: like:
: The ccp would be the "owner" of TAIWAN...

: Differently,
: your total C_orrupt C_ommunists P_arty
: has changed the terror-country China
: into a lousy primitive country,
: the "big jump" was another "fat bump" into the trash,
: instead it was a time of secretly
: MURDERING again 10 Million of the BEST educated people of China and Tibet
: and to destroy AGAIN 90 percent of all the ancient treasures and temples
: in Tibet and in gulag-China.

: >There was an armed conflict...
: >Both side played hard ball

: Is this meant as the interesting discussion of the war-crime
: against your "socialistic brothers" in Vietnam,
: after your
: C_hinese C_riminals P_arty had started
: BOMBING and KILLING
: the helpless people of Vietnam after the end of the US-Vietnam War
: and started a big offense against the suffering nation of Vietnam
: in order to finish what the US-bomber had not "successfully" done?
: ???

: At least THIS war-crime did show ALL OF US in the west
: that your regime is DIRTY, CORRUPT and a RACISTIC pest!
: Worse:
: Pol Pot was your best C_riminal C_hinese P_artner, eh?

: But listen,
: the war-trained Vietkongs kicked the C_riminal C_hinese P-arty fools into
: their weak a...holes
: and made it visible, that they are a big fat but primitive dismotivated
: puppet army!

: The Vietkong made us remember,
: that just 200 000 hungry Japenese soldiers
: have totally controlled complete China during the years of the WW2.

: The weak Chinese puppet Army is perhaps able to torture peaceful nuns
: and monks and Tibetans to death and to murder innocent helpless people,
: but compared with the highly motivated army of the USA and the British.
: they are in fact a weak army dispite of their "big size".

: The corrupt Chinese Secret Service did place some bombs in Lhasa
: to declare their evil racistic suppression as a "devence",
: but of course
: THEY DID NEVER AGREE TO ORDER WESTERN SPECIALISTS TO CONTROL IT
: as they did know that their explosives were made by themselves.
: A real silly, far too primitive trick since Hitler and his "defence" against
: the Czech.

: >> The spiritual leader, who won the Nobel peace prize in 1989, said Beijing
: >> had hardened its position on dissidents and democratic movements.

: >Again, it may well be true.<

: Of course it is true,
: it is true, that the nazi-regime in Beijing is too corrupt as to be able to
: understand,
: that today all the young people in the FREE WORLD SPITE TOWARD YOUR RACISTIC
: REGIME!
: Wait to the moment, when all of us got the MAIORITY,
: it is not TOO MUCH TIME until then!

: AFTER this change the word mercy will be forgotten against the evil
: Stalinism in Beijing,
: as you killed and murdered many decades and holocausted smilingly the
: Chinese
: and the Tibetans,
: so you will remember on day the Iraq, South Africa, Jemen, Cuba, Yugoslavia
: and so many other, no doubt,
: as your cruel regime is not willing to make in time a visible change
: into democracy and enough autonome country for the Tibetans and the Dalai
: Lama,
: to live there as free people.
: There is not too much time for you and your regime,
: and so I do feel well balanced,
: the time for revenge will come- surprisingly, strongly, without mercy.

: >> In early January, a branch of the Congress stormed the Chinese embassy in
: >> New Delhi, setting Chinese flags on fire.

: >That's pretty violent by any standards :-) <

: See me smiling:
: A worldwide total blockade to bring your PERVERSE AND CORRUPTED regime
: to a crash will help the democratic Chinese people
: and the Tibetans to set all of your needless comunists flags on fire!
: To get free!
: For ever!
: You seem to wait for this day very happily! :-)

: user

But you will have been sent to a mental hospital long before
any Chinese punishes anybody regarding Tibet, dude :-).

-LS


author: haliuna

subject: Re: The Dalai Lama's non-violence?

text:
In article <7amu96$2r0$[email]>,
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Mongolia as any country in former communist block was indeed under Soviet (not
Russian) influence, but I wouldn't go that far saying that Russia ruled
Mongolia. Mongolia was and is an independent country.

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author: Ray Fischer

subject: Re: Wall Street's DEATH SPIRAL -- If Stocks Go to ZERO... THEN What?

text:
(ï¿½`ï¿½.ï¿½Craig Chiltonï¿½.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½) Be Proudly EGALITARIAN. The *Right* is Usually WRONG! <[email]> wrote:

You are an idiot.  But, by all means, sell all your holdings.  Other
people will get rich from your stupidity.


text:
(ï¿½`ï¿½.ï¿½Craig Chiltonï¿½.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½) Bigot

How much did it go up since then, Idiot?

You ARE an idiot!

Wrong.

So you DO own stock after all.


text:
(ï¿½`ï¿½.ï¿½Craig Chiltonï¿½.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½) Be Proudly EGALITARIAN. The *Right* is Usually WRONG! <[email]> wrote:

Run away, Bigot.  Once again you come up against the facts and turn
tail like a chickenshit little coward.


text:
(ï¿½`ï¿½.ï¿½Craig Chiltonï¿½.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½) Be Proudly EGALITARIAN. The *Right* is Usually WRONG! <[email]> wrote:

Bore bulshitting from Bigot in order to cover up his complete
inability to cope with the facts.

"I know you are but what am I?"

Bigot's best and only response.


author: robin hood

subject: FOX News claims Bush polls rising and 41% is such a wonderful thing for Bush

text:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177333,00.html

Seeing as how the Bush-Lies-Regime is on Lie Overdrive Mode and has
been for six months ... while DeLay, Cunningham, et al... are exposing
the corruption that is the GOP middle name.---

One has to wonder just who these "professional" pollsters are.

BUT EVEN IF TRUE, IS A 41% APPROVAL SOMETHING BUSH FEELS SHOWS HIS
"MANDATE"?

Does anyone really believe Bill O'Reilly the guy who is so stupid he
calls co-workers on the phone and allows himself to be tape-recorded
talking about wierd sex and CRACK-SMOKING with them?
Or Rush Limbaugh, the Oxy-Contin King... who even during his addiction
(but before he was out of the closet) is claiming that all drug users
should be locked up and throw away the key.

More like people around the holidays just dont want to think about what
bad shape Bush has put us all in.... and what liars and crooks the most
powerful people in the world, that american voters let be installed in
the whitehouse, are being exposed as.

Dont worry promptly around mid-January Bush's polls will break the 30%
basement.

You cannot make shit look good and the closer people look the better
they see that what they got was shit. (Gee, what about the "State of
the Union" ... EXACTLY!!!)


author: Robin Hood Zoro

subject: ALL LIBERALS ARE IGNORANT PUSS BRAINS!!!! ==>              FOX News claims Bush polls rising and 41% is such a wonderful thing for Bush

text:
On 3 Dec 2005 01:03:07 -0800, "robin hood"
<[email]> wrote:


author: Tilly

subject: Re: FOX News claims Bush polls rising and 41% is such a wonderful thing for Bush

text:
robin hood wrote:

Fox news is extremely biased.

Saying 'Fair and Balanced' and Fox News in the same breath  is a
contradiction in terms.
After watching Fox from time to time, all I can say is that they employ
some of the dumbest reporters in the western world.
 E. D Hill regularly exhibits her inanity and as for free self promotion
.....they all take advantage.

[email]


author: Malto

text:
If Faux News is reporting 42% to 46% for and against Bush, you can be sure
the reality is more like 20% vs. 80%....;)


author: icono

text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:XBAkf.5626$[email]...
Yes, it is way too liberal and anti American Business.


author: DoD

text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:XBAkf.5626$[email]...

Who would you trust to give fair and balanced coverage on anything to do
with Israel, Fox or the Beeb?

I watch Fox every now and again. Never heard of her.


author: [redacted]

text:
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:42:27 +1300, "Tilly"
<[email]> wrote:

LOL!!!!!!
Quit yer crying and watch CNN Loser.....
They need more idiots for their viewership.


author: Rick Hohensee

text:
In article <dmun1c$hpf$[email]>, Malto <[email]> wrote:

If Fakes called ME I'd tell them I support the little varmint.


text:
DoD wrote:

She's a co-host on the Breakfast Show with Steve Doocey ..
She comes out with some very stupid remarks especially regarding
international affairs.


author: "Ben Cramer"

text:
"DoD" <[email]> wrote in message
news:RTPkf.3796$[email]...

The BBC.


text:
Howie Dean-o@liberals suck.com wrote:

Agh......an average Fox News viewer.

No thanks, I prefer intelligent, indepth news.


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:51Qkf.5784$[email]...

Hmmm, I never watch the mornings. Fox definately slants conservative, that
is  no lie, and was designed to counter liberal CNN. You really can't get
your news from one place. But it is still a hell of a lot more balanced
towards Israel than the Beeb.


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:51Qkf.5784$[email]...

Doodoo doesn't turn his head on until midday.


text:
Ben Cramer wrote:

Deitche Welle is very good. It is available free to air here.


text:
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:59:50 +1300, "Tilly"
<[email]> wrote:

LOL!!!!!
Now, who would want to be clueless like you?
Yeah, the cartoon network would be about
your speed.
Remember:
"Eliminate ignorance - educate the liberals."


author: Pete nospam Zakel

text:
In article <h7Qkf.3799$[email]> "DoD" <[email]> writes:

Calling CNN liberal is like caling yellow pink.

Just because it is to the left of YOUR ideas doesn't make it left.

Even Public Broadcasting tends to be more centrist than leftist.

-Pete Zakel
 ([email])

"At this point, the only remaining scientific question -- I'm sure this has
 occurred to you -- was:  Could Rollerblade Barbie set fire to a Kellogg's
 strawberry Pop-Tart?"
					-Dave Barry


text:
DoD wrote:

The BBC is a far better source of international news. Fox is only interested
in international news that effects Americans directly .The BBC broadcast
news of the tsunami within minutes of it occurring, Fox took 4 hours.
What's more their interviews (Hardtalk etc..) and documentaries are first
class.


text:
Ben Cramer wrote:

PBS (on VOA) is very good. PBS News is far better than any mainstream US
cable news.

[email]


text:
Howie Dean-o@liberals suck.com wrote:

<sigh>
Is that the best you can do sweetie?

Yes , I earnt my three degrees watching cartoons.  :-)

Agh.....another ignorant,  blindly patriotic  American, who probably
couldn't locate Australia, let alone New Zealand on a map.


text:
<Howie Dean-o@liberals suck.com> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Dude, you can have a difference of opinion with someone without blindly
hurling insults.


text:
"Pete nospam Zakel" <[email]> wrote in message
news:4393d7c0$[email]...

LOL, sure it is left.

Is it centrist according to YOUR ideals?


text:
"Pete nospam Zakel" <[email]> wrote in message
news:4393d7c0$[email]...

Doodoo's not at all bright, you know.


text:
"Pete nospam Zakel" <[email]> wrote in message
news:4393d7c0$[email]...

Consider that Fox is to the left AND that it is the LARGEST cable news
network (by number of watchers), AND that the general public is liberal,
where does that put YOU.

Calling CNN liberal is more like calling a coward - yellow, a socialist -
Nazi,


text:
Tilly wrote:

Fox News astounds me when it spends 30 minutes broadcasting a car chase or a
Cessna experiencing difficulties landing.
It is such trivia in the whole of scheme of things, ibut it os obviously
what Americans want.
Fox News (US) delivers news in small bytes most of the time.Sky News is much
better for a more conservative take on international news.
[email]


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:hfUkf.5843$[email]...

Not to weigh one side or the other, spending thousands of hours on a storm,
means there is nothing else to report.

Either way the only good thing out of BBC is their re-run comedies on
Saturday night.

BTW the Tsunami took several hours. (three days) To report it within
minutes, when the impact was not known is trivialization, (an excellent
venue for BBC)


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:hfUkf.5843$[email]...
interested

Hmmm, that is not the sense that I get. Even after talking to Brits.


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:jPVkf.5862$[email]...

That is broadcast on SBS in Oz, 5 days a week. It is very good.


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:jPVkf.5862$[email]...
There are no news programs on PBS.  DUUUHHHH???
NOT ONE
They have entertainment and commentary.

They are socialist (liberal) by their very nature.  That is why they exist
as a government sponsored network.


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:jPVkf.5862$[email]...

PBS is biased.


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:_Qtlf.6220$[email]...

You've got mail. 4mb attachment all about Merkins and geography. You're
gonna love it.


text:
Oh, they did, found out what the places were and said, "what for?"

"They have been around in western culture as long as U.S. and may as well be
the Congo"
It took a couple centuries for Europe to destroy itself with Socialism
(liberalism).  Australia and New Zealand have so much wool that it covers
their eyes.


text:
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:49:45 +1300, "Tilly"
<[email]> wrote:

Just stating the facts ;-)
Gee, they give out degrees in being clueless?
LOL!!!!!
Wanna bet Smookins?


text:
"DoD" <[email]> wrote in message
news:X5ulf.258$[email]...

The facts are that socialism (liberalism / Nazi) is a result of trained
ignorance of society and history.
They are not uneducated, just misinformed by "government sponsored" (i.e.
socialist) educational system.


text:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 05:07:03 GMT, "DoD" <[email]> wrote:

Just stating facts.
Get over it ;-)


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:IiUkf.5844$[email]...
a
much

I am not sure that I have heard of Sky News.


text:
icono wrote:

I am referring to BBC World.It doesn't broadcast comedies.

What crap. The BBC had reporters onthe spot within minutes.
Fact not fiction.
I was watching BBC World eight minutes after the event when first pics were
broadcast from Thailand then Sri Lanka..


text:
DoD wrote:

I was watching BBC World  in theearly hours of the morning when the news was
interrupted with news of the tsunami. A few minutes later the first video
appeared takn by a reporter at Phuket. I kid you not.
I kept switching channels to see how long it would take Fox to report it.It
took 4 hours.


author: jt

text:
icono wrote:

What is the "News Hour with Jim Lehrer"?

Clearly, you've never even seen the above program.

Even snow looks blue to those wearing blue-tinted lenses.


text:
DoD wrote:

What I likke about it is that it has good indepth interviews not soundbytes.
The McLauchlin report ?  is excellent.


text:
Ben Cramer wrote:

Oh I know all about Americans and geography. (or lack of it).
The number of Americans who think NZ is on the other side of the Sydney
Harbour Bridge is astounding, although less than before. Last year someone
in one of these ngs asked me if it NZ had a white Xmas . He was dead
serious. I was stunned!


text:
icono wrote:

<clipped>

  Australia and New Zealand have so much wool that it

LOL.
Is this the best you can do?
Clearly you don't know much about either country. (here's betting that what
you do know is from Lord of the Rings  .)


text:
icono wrote:

Really you are moronic.  I can tell from you idot posts that you have never
visited either country.
I would wager you you have never left the US .Have you ever left your state?


author: Shannon Jacobs

subject: The vile spewers of mindless blather thread

text:
Excellent example of Bushevik 'thinking':

icono wrote:
<old stuff snip>

However, it eventually gets tedious.

*ploink*


author: Norma

text:
"DoD" <[email]> wrote in message
news:T2_kf.54326$[email]...

I wtch this in Israel when I am there, and it is OK.  I don't think there
will ever be any one source that is excellent anymore.  The media is
diluting itself.

Norma


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:2lXkf.5899$[email]...

And?
Apparently you still don't know the extent of that or any tsunami.
There is nothing to report in the first few minutes except hype.

To take you literally would mean the BBC was in the middle of the ocean
surfing the wave.

BTW the Tsunami took several hours. (three days) To report it within
minutes, when the impact was not known is trivialization, (an
excellent venue for BBC)

WOW, gee, look, water.
We are in these yellow subamarines that are anchored to the shore, showing
you the tsunami.

FYI.  Most still don't know what happened and the devastation.
My son was there and is still there.  No one trivializes like BBC.  The
others are catching up.  The others are slow learners.

BBC is way behind in certain areas.  They haven't learned how to spend
thousands of hours on a missing, drunk, teen, white girl in Aruba


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Wnzlf.6365$[email]...

This particular clip is an absolute riot.

Hope it went through. I used my Daughter's computer, and her mail has a
tendency to fail miserably when posting large attachments.


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:GGBlf.6412$[email]...

I've been there, done business there, done business with both.  My son has
also.
They are cute but retarded places.
There are a lot of nice people, but they don't realize what has been taken
away from them.
They don't realize what they could have if it weren't for the governing
system and the teaching that they are being protected from those big bad
people and companies.  The educational system there is rife with error and
propaganda.


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:rMBlf.6414$[email]...

You have been well trained by your mentors.  Ignorance is bliss.

As I stated before, I have probably had more interaction on a global nature
with Ausies than you ever dreamt of.  A few that I have hired to work here
have gone back because they say it is too competitive here and would rather
live the "simple" life.  (Simple meaning cared for as if they were senile or
demented) I can't say they are wrong, but don't try to compare Australia and
New Zealand with western capitalism.


text:
"Norma" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Hw_kf.21900$[email]...
obviously

Is Sky News Israeli Norma?

  I don't think there

Bingo!!


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:7lvlf.6276$[email]...

Are you aware there have been claims made that Murdoch's Mother was jewish?


text:
"icono" <[email]> wrote in message
news:4396ed3d$0$29093$[email]...

I agree with your comment regarding the education system. The clowns are
still teaching the kids that WWII was fought because of persecution of the
jews.


text:
icono wrote:

Geez you are funny. You are correct on one point though. We have increasing
numbers of Americans coming to live here.


text:
icono wrote:

They  would rather have a life .....

 (Simple meaning cared

I didn't mention Western capitalism, you did. People return for the
lifestyle, not to be looked after by the state. Those that require nannying
don't travel.


text:
Ben Cramer wrote:

Yes and it's absolute BS. I have posted clear evidence it isBS in the past.


text:
Ben Cramer wrote:

That's what they teach in Australian schools?
It's never been taught here!
 We were taught the Nazi invasion of Poland and Czechoslovakia was the cause
of WW2.


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:owUlf.6637$[email]...

And aren't they having a negative impact on affordable housing for the
working class New Zealanders. (Statement. Not a question)


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:LuUlf.6636$[email]...

That too. But they go the next step and spend considerable time on the issue
of persecution of jews.

It's quite remarkable, that when I started school, the number of persons
offed in the holocaust was taught to be 2 million. By the time I left school
12 years later it had increased to 4 million. And now we are exposed to a
figure of 6 million.

It's a bit like the Aboriginals. They originally stated they had inhabited
Australia for 10,000 years. It then jumped to 20,000 years, now the clowns
are claiming 40,000. They'll be predating the bloody dinosaurs soon.


text:
Ben Cramer wrote:

???? It has always been 'six million' here.

You  Aussies are obviously lagging information wise.

Ben do keep up.
Recent research shows  that the aborigines have been in Oz for at least
40,000 years.


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:kjVlf.6664$[email]...

Exactly what I just said. Having said that though, the evidence supporting
the 40,000 tenure, is rather tenuous, to say the lease.

There is also considerable evidence to support the theory that the
Aboriginals who reside here now, actually invaded the original inhabitants
and sent them on their way, or annihilated them.


text:
Ben Cramer wrote:

Are you afraid that 40, 000 years might justify an aboriginal land claim  or
compensation?


text:
"Tilly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:XE7mf.6829$[email]...

Not at all. We've given considerable tracts of valuable land back to them.
They don't seem interested in the land they used to inhabit.


author: bobbie sellers

subject: DWC Issue 414 Pain Doctors Persecuted xRe: FOX News claims Bush polls rising and 41% is such a wonderful thing for Bush

text:
Previous political quarrel snipped to let people know your doctor
may get jailed if the DEA decides you don't need that medication.  I
just trimmed the story out of this week's edition and left lots of
good stories about corrupt cops and progress in Europe out of the
mix.

    Drug War Chronicle, Issue #414 -- December 9, 2005
    Phillip S. Smith, Editor, [email]
    http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/414/

    A Publication of StoptheDrugWar.org (DRCNet)
    David Borden, Executive Director, [email]
    "Raising Awareness of the Consequences of Drug Prohibition"

7. Chronic Pain: South Carolina Pain Doctors Lose Appeal, But
Get New Sentencing Hearings
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/414/drbordeaux.shtml

Three South Carolina physicians convicted of drug distribution
and money-laundering conspiracy charges for what the federal
government described as unwarranted prescribing of opioid pain
relievers at their pain management clinic failed to get their
convictions overturned, but will be entitled to new sentencing
hearings.

Drs. Deborah Bordeaux, Ricardo Alerre and Michael Jackson ran
the Comprehensive Care and Pain Management Center in Myrtle
Beach until they were arrested in 2003. Prosecutors described
the practice as "a front" for drug dealing. Bordeaux was
sentenced to 24 years, Alerre to 19 years, and Jackson to eight
years.

While the doctors argued on appeal that attorneys for both
defense and prosecution had confused the standards for civil
malpractice and criminal liability, a three-judge US 4th Circuit
Court of Appeals panel in Richmond rejected that claim. "The
jury entered its deliberations armed with ample admissible
evidence and with proper instructions on the applicable legal
principles," Judge Robert King wrote in the unanimous opinion.

But the court ruled that they were entitled to be resentenced
after even the prosecution acknowledged that the Supreme Courts'
ruling earlier this year in the Booker and Fan Fan cases
required it. In that ruling, the Supreme Court threw out
mandatory federal sentencing guidelines.

The doctors for their part have maintained that they were
following accepted medical practice for prescribing opioids for
chronic pain management -- as have advocates, including the Pain
Relief Network (http://www.painreliefnetwork.org). Bordeaux and
others are among a growing number of physicians across the
country who have been prosecuted or investigated as the DEA
attempts to clamp down on prescription drug abuse.

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    bliss -- C  O C O A  Powered... (at california dot com)


author: Peter H. Proctor

subject: Re: DWC Issue 414 Pain Doctors Persecuted xRe: FOX News claims Bush polls rising and 41% is such a wonderful thing for Bush

text:
On 09 Dec 2005 09:14:16 -0700, "bobbie sellers"
<[email]> wrote:

As a physician,  I wouldn't touch pain medicine with a ten-foot pole.
Just wait until the drug warriers or their loved ones need palliation.
Their tune will change instantly.  Seen it happen.  But they won't get
pain relief because no doctor will be willing to risk his career and
liberty to give it.   There is a certain divine retribution here.

Dr P


author: Rick Black

subject: The Godless Democrat KKK founders raped dead black female corpses

text:
The Democrats founded the KKK.

They organized it to attack negroes and republican voters.

They used intimidation tactics such as beatings, rape, lynching,
arson, burning crosses, robbery, you name it they did it.

One of the favorite things of Democrat KKK members was to rape
black women in front of their husbands or families, lynch them
while the woman was being raped, then kill her and rape her
again.


author: Jeanne Douglas

subject: Re: The Godless Democrat KKK founders raped dead black female corpses

text:
In article
<[email]>,
 "Rick Black" <[email]> wrote:

Thank goodness all those racists moved to the Republican Party 40 years
ago.

--
JD

"the lybian lier"


author: Fred

text:
"Rick Black" <[email]> wrote:

Did you notice that now the KKK is a Christian Republican organization?
As is NAMBLA.

---
"Fred" is my Christian name.


author: Syd M.

text:
On Aug 23, 10:41 pm, "Rick Black" <[email]>
wrote:

Maybe so, but the right is the new racist party.


text:
On Aug 24, 7:02 am, Gunner <Gunner Asch> wrote:

Nope.
Still only YOU, rightard.


author: Gunner

text:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:25:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<[email]> wrote:

Tsk tsk tsk...too bad they didnt and you are simply lying about your
guilt and malevelence.

But then...you are a Klanner supporter...and you feel some need to
hide it.

Why would that be? Afterall...your KKK has been the very useful
terrorist arm of the DNC  for 150 yrs

Gunner

  One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not
agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my
earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his
fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

      - Jeff Cooper


text:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:53:49 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
<[email]> wrote:

Cites please?  And of course..Ill once again, provide citations to
current KKK members running on Democrat tickets, the long standing
love for KKK Robert Byrd who recently died in office as a
Democrat...and the selected words of such beloved Democrats as Al
Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and so on and so forth.

When you are ready, trot out the cites, if you would be so kind.  Ill
be waiting with amusement for your submissions.

Gunner

  One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not
agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my
earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his
fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

      - Jeff Cooper


text:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:54:27 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
<[email]> wrote:

Ayup...still a leftwing lying bastard.

So provide the actual cites if you would be so kind, to back up your
desperate denial and attempted transference. Failure to do so will
simply show you to be a pussbrained Useful Idiot and of no consequence
except for those who will be hunting down and murdering Leftwingers
during the soon to be upcoming Great Cull.

Ill be waiting for your citations.  And have noted the snipping of the
various cites about current KKK members running for office as
Demonrats

Gunner

  One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not
agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my
earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his
fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

      - Jeff Cooper


author: Mike Painter

text:
On 8/24/2012 4:02 AM, Gunner wrote:

Isn't he clever?
Gunner is one of those that thinks he could survive on his own if the
government fell.


author: Mitchell Holman

text:
Gunner <Gunner Asch> wrote in news:2iuf381jba9l87l2cnaeoaem7n8kvsd430@
4ax.com:

   Aren't you forgetting elected Republican
and KKK Grand Dragon David Duke?

http://www.davidduke.com/


text:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:27:15 -0700, Mike Painter
<[email]> wrote:

Ive done so rather well for at least 40 yrs.  Im almsot 59, and became
an emancipated adult at 15. 4 yrs ago I had to have emergency surgery
for a heart condition that I had no insurance for..so the state did
cover the bills, but Ive been paying them back ever since. So
Yeah..Ive taken care of myself without government help for quite a few
years. Probably longer than you have existed.

Now that we have had your personal attack on the messenger (usual for
a Leftwinger Useful Idiot) care to address the facts of the matter
visa vis the KKK being the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party?

Or are you going to do the usual Leftwing thing and ignore that fact
and attempt to belabor the messenger in a desperate hope folks miss
the facts of the matter?

Hummmm?

Leftwingers..mentally ill and they show this everytime they post.

Gunner

  One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not
agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my
earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his
fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

      - Jeff Cooper


text:
Gunner <Gunner Asch> wrote in
news:[email]:

Typical conservative: takes advantage of government
help when HE needs it most but wants to deny it to
everyone else.

What a hypocrite..........


author: Stan de SD

subject: Re: Anti-War Protests

text:
"Dan Clore" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

More proof positive that the Left has become the refuge of nutcakes and
idiots...


author: modest

subject: Re: Anti-War Protests

text:
If those boobs are confiscated by the government, will I be able to buy them
at auction?


author: Dan Clore

subject: Re: Anti-War Protests

text:
Stan de SD wrote:

For a few seconds I couldn't see what objection Statist
Stain would have to bare breasts, but then I recalled his
obsession with anal sex--


author: Alex Russell

subject: Re: Anti-War Protests

text:
Stan de SD wrote:
What is so odd about showing your breasts? Women do that all over the
world every day.

Alex Russell


subject: Re: Anti-War Protests

text:
"Dan Clore" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

And your statement only reinforces what I have to say. But nice of you to
make up shit as you go along in order to change the subject...


author: Wm James

subject: Re: Anti-War Protests

text:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:34:36 GMT, Alex Russell
<[email]> wrote:

But what kind of idiot thinks it's "protesting"?

Frankly, I just wish some of these kook groups would recruit better
looking women.  :)

William R. James


subject: Re: Anti-War Protests

text:
"Alex Russell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:0KZxe.115341$tt5.27076@edtnps90...

Narcissism and cluelessness of typical Lefty Liberal noted...


subject: Re: Anti-War Protests

text:
Wm James wrote:

One could make a very good case, starting with the
information in Robert Anton Wilson's _Ishtar Rising; or, Why
the Goddess Went to Hell and What to Expect Now That She's
Returning_ (originally titled _The Book of the Breast_):
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1561841099/thedanclorenecro


author: Miguel O'Pastel

subject: Re: Anti-War Protests

text:
"Wm James" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
: On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:34:36 GMT, Alex Russell
: <[email]> wrote:
:
: >Stan de SD wrote:
: >> "Dan Clore" <[email]> wrote in message
: >> news:[email]...
: >>
: >>>News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
: >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
: >>>
: >>>*****
: >>>
: >>>Antiwar protesters go topless in Union Square
: >>>Meredith May
: >>>[San Francisco] Chronicle Staff Writer
: >>>Thursday, June 30, 2005
: >>>
: >>>A dozen antiwar activists from Mendocino County took their
: >>>tops off in San Francisco's Union Square shopping district
: >>>Thursday, using what they said was their best weapon to get
: >>>the public's attention.
: >>
: >>
: >> More proof positive that the Left has become the refuge of nutcakes and
: >> idiots...
: >>
: >>
: >What is so odd about showing your breasts? Women do that all over the
: >world every day.
: >
: >Alex Russell
:
: But what kind of idiot thinks it's "protesting"?
:
: Frankly, I just wish some of these kook groups would recruit better
: looking women.  :)
:
: William R. James

That is no way to talk abmout yo' mama.

:


subject: Re: Anti-War Protests

text:
Stan de SD wrote:
But I'm a hard right capitalist - not a lefty. Not all people on the
right think peoples individual rights should be suppressed by
governments with too much religious fevour.

In a prudish society this display seems to have got attention which is
what they wanted. How is that "clueless". I do agree it may not be the
best action if you want to be taken seriously.

Alex Russell


subject: Re: Anti-War Protests

text:
"Stan de SD" <[email]> wrote in message
news:fUgye.3689$[email]...
:
: "Alex Russell" <[email]> wrote in message
: news:0KZxe.115341$tt5.27076@edtnps90...
: > Stan de SD wrote:
: > > "Dan Clore" <[email]> wrote in message
: > > news:[email]...
: > >
: > >>News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
: > >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
: > >>
: > >>*****
: > >>
: > >>Antiwar protesters go topless in Union Square
: > >>Meredith May
: > >>[San Francisco] Chronicle Staff Writer
: > >>Thursday, June 30, 2005
: > >>
: > >>A dozen antiwar activists from Mendocino County took their
: > >>tops off in San Francisco's Union Square shopping district
: > >>Thursday, using what they said was their best weapon to get
: > >>the public's attention.
: > >
: > >
: > > More proof positive that the Left has become the refuge of nutcakes
and
: > > idiots...
: > >
: > >
: > What is so odd about showing your breasts? Women do that all over the
: > world every day.
:
: Narcissism and cluelessness of typical Lefty Liberal noted...
:
:
You are not likely to see any boobs any other way, Stain


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Bush blocks medical law suits: Eli Lilly and the Bush Family Part 11

text:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:38:25 -0400, Chas.@home. wrote:

Just a lay person here, but I've noticed two things about products.
If the risk for making them is too high, they don't get made.  Also,
the other edge is, if the reward is too low they don't get made.  So,
we might not want to kill the golden goose, many of us have
great-grand parents today, something that weren't heard of in the
working classes half a century ago(so they tell me), thanks to the
availablity of new drugs and treatments.

later,

tom


author: Paul E. Lehmann

text:
[email] wrote:

 many of us have

Oh, I don't know about that.  I remember my great grandparents from 50 years
ago.  Both of them lived to their mid 80's.  Both of my grandparents lived
to their mid to late 90's.  People are not living longer; it is just that
more of them are living longer.  Back in my great grandparents day, if one
survived birth and the childhood diseases one was just as likely to live to
be as old as those of us today.  I believe what we have done is increase
the chances of living to the point that deaths from childhood disease are
not as common.  I really do question whether the "Quality" of life has
improved.  There a LOT of elderly in nursing homes that are in a near
vegative state.


author: Robert

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
sition=
----

Tom, what they are trying to do is not new. The communist tried to do it for
years. How many new drugs do you know produced by them. All they did was
copy the ones in the west.
It is not only drugs but every new invention in general.


author: Bill

text:
"Robert" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Judging by what is happening in the marketplace today, I'm not sure the drug
companies need more incentives. They seem to be extremely profitable. Also,
the FDA can have political swings. But I do agree that there needs to be some
kind of tort reform - but I would not eliminate the right to sue. Perhaps a
higher burden of proof.  I thought the whole silicone breast implant thing was
wrong.

Bill


author: Zee

text:
"Bill" <[email]> wrote in message news:<faeNc.738$[email]>...

Since in my opinion law suits don't change anything--pharmas would
proceed business as usual as do the automobile manufacturers et al--I
do not support injury suits, with rare exception. I prefer to change
the system that creats the problem.

My purpose in posting this was to draw attention to the irony of Bush
being  a board member, shareholder and illegal lobbyist for pharma
interests. He backed and benefited from a system that produces drugs
and devices badly and incompletely researched but heavily marketed to
maximize profit quickly before negatives become known by users.

Now that the shit is hitting the fan he moves to protect himself and
his friends again.

I don't have any illusions it would be different under .... Democrats?
To my way of thinking, it's the American way.

Zee
Just a member of the banana republic to the north

, ie) marketing being more valued than proper research, now wishes to
protect himeself and his buddies even further.


author: George Conklin

text:
"Bill" <[email]> wrote in message
news:faeNc.738$[email]...
for
drug
Also,
some
a
was
  The courts ordered a review by epidemiologists and they showed no
relationships.  I heard a talk by the lady who did the study.  It was a nice
meta-analysis.


text:
"Bill" <[email]> wrote in message
news:faeNc.738$[email]...
for
drug
Also,

You need to balance incentives with competition, otherwise known as choice.

some
a
was

The silicon implant thing was totally wrong and a lynch mob based on rumor
and never fact.
Based on that most companies would rather settle out of court.
Here's  some tort reform, why not limit the legal windfall to lawyers? They
get way too much.


text:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:30:27 GMT, "George Conklin"
<[email]> wrote:

What I find interesting, the lawsuit rewards aren't defined by
educated people, just common folk who see a few pictures and want
revenge, and usually it's the product manufacturer who is blamed even
if there was no proof it was the product.

Just saying, I hear everyone complain about the crazy lawsuit amonts,
but it's the juriors awarding them, not lawyers.

later,

tom

**************** http://www.Intertainia.com ***********
Our Latest site:    http://www.MedicalJobList.com
*******************************************************


text:
"Robert" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
court
to
So,
it
was
choice.
Perhaps
thing
They
  The court ordered a review.  The lawyers had to go with the study.


text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
o
-
court
to
Bush
Also,
So,
it
was
be
Perhaps
thing
nice

  In this case it was the court system which ordered a review of the
literature.  The woman who did it was a PhD. in epidemiology and a MD too.
Former head of the public health department.  She gave a good, high-level
talk.


author: John F'ing Kerry

subject: Re: The lighter side of John Fucking Kerry

text:
John F'ing Kerry's website is FILLED with profanities and vulgarities
uttered by the slimy Democrat.   Kerry's website needs to be added to the
"kid safe" webguard tools that are out there, lest children accidently surf
over to his filthy and obscene web site.

"Bill Bonde ( Straight invective is not satire; satire must deliberately
overshoot its mark. )" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
kids
legs
on


author:
Bill Bonde ( Straight invective is not satire; satire must deliberately
 overshoot its mark.

subject: Time for e-mail campaign to protect children from John Fucking Kerry?

text:
John F'ing Kerry wrote:
Actually, I recommend an e-mail campaign to those child-safe tool sites
to get them to ban access to Kerry's filthy webpage. Here's an example
web filter company which should be notifed about Kerry:
http://www.surfcontrol.com/ Here's an e-mail:
[email]


author: Mr. N

text:
"John F'ing Kerry" <[email]> wrote in message
news:mQ53c.142843$Xp.590123@attbi_s54...

So is the language of real soldiers.

Why do you hate our brave soldiers, giving their lives for their country?

Why do you hate America?


author: ZenIsWhen

subject: Re: Time for e-mail campaign to protect children from John Fucking Kerry?

text:
"Bill Bonde ( Straight invective is not satire; satire must deliberately
overshoot its mark. )" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
the
surf

Can we get one to ban the GOP/Bush web sites for their blatant and
outrageous lies?

I would prefer a president who swears occasionally - to one who is corrupt
ALL of the time!


author: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend

text:
On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:17:36 -0800, "Bill Bonde ( Straight invective
is not satire; satire must deliberately  overshoot its mark. )"
<[email]> wrote:

Talk about kids.  Think of all the kids killed and maimed every year
by drunk drivers and yet you repugs field a team with THREE  DUI
convictions among them.  HAHAHA.  Defeating you rw loonies is too
easy.


text:
"Bill Bonde ( Straight invective is not satire; satire must deliberately
overshoot its mark. )" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
the
surf

Thanks!  I shall contact them.


text:
I just tried the SurfControl site, and they have added John Kerry's filthy
web site to their list!

It's GREAT to see Democrats effectively blocking access to their own
websites!!

"Bill Bonde ( Straight invective is not satire; satire must deliberately
overshoot its mark. )" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
the
surf


text:
"Mr. N" wrote:
It's time for John Kerry's webpage to be filtered at all libraries,
offices and daycares due to its filthy nature.


text:
"Mr. N" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Kerry's not a real soldier.  He only served 4 months in Vietnam, and then
ran home to momma.


author: Ray

text:
<< From: ">Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <> >>

<< Talk about kids.  Think of all the kids killed and maimed every year
by drunk drivers and yet you repugs field a team with THREE  DUI
convictions among them.  HAHAHA.  Defeating you rw loonies is too
easy. >>

Yes, they have so much less integrity than Ted Kennedy, still a favorite among
Democrats today.


text:
"Bill Bonde ( Straight invective is not satire; satire must deliberately
overshoot its mark. )" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
country?

The SurfControl company has already added the Kerry website to their list.

The Democrats are taking their own web sites out!


author: Dana Dare

text:
John F'ing Kerry wrote:

As opposed to George W... who  never left *his* mommy's side -- even for
four months right...?

So if "Kerry's 'not a real soldier' for serving 'only 4 months in
Vienam' what, then -- by your reckoning -- is George W... hmmmm?

Do tell.


text:
"John F'ing Kerry" <[email]> wrote in message
news:b863c.209811$uV3.821080@attbi_s51...

Technically he is (or was) actually a sailor not a soldier, but he's more
soldier than Bush ever was, or you ever were.

Still - the issue here is language.  I was in the active duty military - and
I've watched the news and heard soldiers being *bleeped*.  Soldiers talk
dirty - it's a function of the lives they lead, surrounded by the REAL
profanity of death.

So explain. . .

Why do you hate American soldiers?

Why do you hate America?

A lot of people didn't survive that long.  Kerry's hitch in country
culminated a nearly 4 year-long active duty enlistment.


text:
John F'ing Kerry wrote:
They should be. Kerry can't stop with the 'fuck this' and the 'fuck
that'. He should really stop fucking around and starting running for
fucking president.


text:
"Dana Dare" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
then

As opposed to George W. Bush who DID release HIS military records to the
media, whereas John F'ing Kerry has NOT been able to muster the courage to
do that.  John F'ing Kerry is AFRAID to allow the media to scrutinize HIS
military record like they did with Bush's.


text:
"Mr. N" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Exactly.  In fact, he only served 4 months in Vietnam, then ran home to
momma.

Nope.   President Bush was an accomplished fighter jet pilot.  Bush was FAR
more of a soldier than Kerry ever was.


author: America

subject: Re: ""You no good fucking sonofabitch..." screamed the drunken, livid Bush in front of the 4 year old child  ...

text:
He's known for his intemperance and profanity, actually  ...

http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/polipro/pp2001-09-06.htm


text:
John F'ing Kerry wrote:

<unmarked snippage restored>

As opposed to George W... who  never left *his* mommy's side -- even for
four months right...?

So if "Kerry's 'not a real soldier' for serving 'only 4 months in
Vienam' what, then -- by your reckoning -- is George W... hmmmm?

Do tell.

Funny... Kerry's records seem to be an *open book* compared to 'George
W's'...

Men who know -- and verify -- Kerry was there, and on duty, and
performing as he's been reported to have done to *earn* his medals...

Hmmm...

Who's stepped forward to claim that Doonesbury money... proving George's
Alabama wherebouts...? Anyone you know...? <g>


author: John Collyer

text:
You are still a stupid jerk

"John F'ing Kerry" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Kt63c.147135$4o.181527@attbi_s52...

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text:
"John F'ing Kerry" <[email]> wrote in message
news:5B63c.210611$uV3.821496@attbi_s51...

No, it's because people in the Navy aren't called "soldiers", and Kerry's
tour of active duty lasted nearly 4 years.  He enlisted in 1966.

FAR

Now you're just being silly.


author: Marvin the Martian

subject: Re: Border Invasion Pics

text:
On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:40:25 -0500, deadrat wrote:

Speaking of ignorant...
Title 8 of the United States Code, paragraph 1324.

Begin Quote:
(a) Making employment of unauthorized aliens unlawful
  (1) In general
  It is unlawful for a person or other entity—
   (A) to hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment in the
United States an alien knowing the alien is an unauthorized alien (as
defined in subsection (h)(3) of this section) with respect to such
employment, or
(B)
(i) to hire for employment in the United States an individual without
complying with the requirements of subsection (b) of this section or
(ii) if the person or entity is an agricultural association, agricultural
employer, or farm labor contractor (as defined in section 1802 of title
29), to hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment in the
United States an individual without complying with the requirements of
subsection (b) of this section.


author: RD Sandman

subject: Re: Border Invasion Pics

text:
Marvin the Martian <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

You missed what he wrote.  He said it was not a crime for HIM to hire
illegal aliens as no one is named in the law.  He did say it was illegal
for individuals to hire illegals.

IOW, your post agrees with what his claim to Bill Graham was although it
does not use the term "abyssmally ignorant" to describe those
individuals.

--

Democracy means that anyone can grow up to be President,

And anyone who doesn't grow up can be Vice President.

Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)


author: deadrat

subject: Re: Border Invasion Pics

text:
On 10/21/12 1:27 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:

You can't even get the cite correct.  This is 8USC1324*(a)*, and it
doesn't criminalize hiring illegal aliens; it criminalizes *knowingly*
hiring illegal aliens.  As a private citizen, you have the obligation to
ask for documentation that the person is allowed to work in the US
(i.e., that he's a citizen, a resident alien, or the holder of a work
visa), but you may take any reasonable document offered at face value.
Business employers have stricter obligations.


subject: Re: Border Invasion Pics

text:
On 10/21/12 3:51 PM, RD Sandman wrote:

I wasn't making quite that nice an argument.  The law does apply to me
as an individual, but it requires actual knowledge of illegality and
puts no onus of investigation on me to find out.  I am supposed to check
for a document that I can take at face value.  The rules are more
stringent for businesses, for which ignorance isn't a good enough excuse.

I actually use the phrase "abyssally ignorant," as in ignorance as deep
as an abyss, a glimpse into which is enough to make one dizzy.


author: Galluping to a new leader

subject: Re: Border Invasion Pics

text:
On 10/21/2012 2:53 PM, deadrat wrote:

http://www.fairus.org/facts

Hover over a state to view a summary of population data for that state.
Click on a state to be taken to an in-depth profile of FAIR's data for
that state.
View national data here.

Illegal Alien Population (2010 FAIR est.): 11,900,000
Costs of Illegal Aliens (2009 FAIR) $83,665,408,222
Projected 2050 Population (2006 FAIR) 460,681,000


subject: Re: Border Invasion Pics

text:
deadrat <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

politicians
to
who
named
section
illegal
check
excuse.
it

Which is exactly how I took it to mean.  ;)

--

Democracy means that anyone can grow up to be President,

And anyone who doesn't grow up can be Vice President.

Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)


subject: Re: Border Invasion Pics

text:
On 10/21/2012 5:51 PM, deadrat wrote:

http://www.fairus.org/facts

Hover over a state to view a summary of population data for that state.
Click on a state to be taken to an in-depth profile of FAIR's data for
that state.
View national data here.

Illegal Alien Population (2010 FAIR est.): 11,900,000
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author: DharmaTroll

subject:
Re: Self-defeating crusade (was Re: Why brain-damaged nutters have
	feelings of Transcendence and Oneness)

text:
On Feb 16, 10:05 pm, Nobody in Particular <[email]> wrote:

I don't have that belief at all. I claim that what can be explained by
science can be explained by science. Now I do say that Nothingness
can't be explained by science, but that's not the same as saying that
nothing can't be explained by science.

What I do say is that no supernatural claims have even been
demonstrated, and so we have no evidence for anything existing outside
of nature, the physical universe, such as gods, souls, disembodied
beasties, angels, and the like. I don't even claim that these don't
exist, just that there is no evidence for them. And so when we can't
explain something (and there are tons of things we can't explain with
science), that it's better to simply say "I don't know" or "we don't
know yet" rather than cling to supernatural speculations. Got it, Ding-
Dong?

--DharmaTroll


author: Nobody in Particular

subject: Re: Self-defeating crusade (was Re: Why brain-damaged nutters have feelings of Transcendence and Oneness)

text:
DharmaTroll wrote:

Who are you, and what have you done with Dharmatroll?
Now this is a very different Trollpa than the one i've been arguing
with.  This is exactly my point.  You've had this rigid,
fundamentalist belief that no "woo-woo" existed, a belief that you had
to defend at all costs.  If you're gonna say "I don't know", what am i
supposed to argue with?

Nah, the witch ain't dead yet.


author: halfawake

subject:
Re: Self-defeating crusade (was Re: Why brain-damaged nutters have
  feelings of Transcendence and Oneness)

text:
DharmaTroll wrote:

That is somewhat dependent on what you count as "demonstrated."  Many
claims have been debunked, but many others have merely remained
uninvestigated.  I agree that "we don't know yet" is the right answer
for a lot of things, and that some claims are outright stupid, based on
pure superstition or unjustified belief, such as magic underwear, but
others that may not have been able to be peer-reviewed, such as healing
energy, are in a more uncertain status.

Robert

I don't even claim that these don't


author: AleXX

subject: Mahathir says Lee wanted to be Malaysian PM

text:
This is second hand news. Most Singaporeans knew about it since 1963. When
he was successful in manipulating an event for Singapore to be kicked out of
Malaysia, those crocodile's tears he shed was nothing but frustration.

http://news.malaysia.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4696994


author: commander Serk , military spokesperson for United ethnic Chinese Wa Army of Shan state of East Myanmar

subject: Re: Mahathir says Lee wanted to be Malaysian PM

text:
TRUE  , Lee     Kuan  Yew  had  wanted to  control  all  Malaysia  .

Lee  Kuan  Yew  had  wanted  to control  all  Malays .

Chinese  are  GREeDY  , you  know ?

On Mar 8, 11:19 pm, "AleXX" <dalaibaru@bishop_aka_tweety.net> wrote:


author: Damned-Virus-Data Miner providers

text:
On Mar 9, 12:19 am, "AleXX" <dalaibaru@bishop_aka_tweety.net> wrote:

where he goes is almos the same afterall...........

onlooker5


author: Superbee

text:
On Mar 9, 12:19 am, "AleXX" <dalaibaru@bishop_aka_tweety.net> wrote:

Mahathir also the same, stills want to be Malaysian PM.


author: Singlish King

text:
On 9/03/2011 10:17, Superbee wrote:

but he not aim to be China Pee eM ah mah!


author: Cory Henriksen

subject: Re: health care

text:
Excuse me for butting in but here in WA we do listen to Canadians.  They
call in to talk radio all the time when health care is being discussed.
They talk about waiting for treatment, having friends and/or relatives
die while waiting for surgery and how great it is to be so close to the
USA so they can cross the boarder and get treatment right away (even
though they have to pay).

Cory


author: Gary L Dare

subject: Re: health care

text:
Cory Henriksen <[email]> wrote:

Canadians also write regularly to the New York Times and the Chicago
Tribune; they have the opportunity to say ...

... but they don't.  So who is telling Gallup Poll like on 9/20 that
they think the northern insurance setup is better than the one here?
[The count was 96%, it's in Clarinet's archives.]

While I don't doubt what you've heard, here are a couple of things to
check for next time (based on experience Toronto/Buffalo, although the
one thing that already struck me is that Vancouver is further from
Spokane or esp. Seattle than Toronto/Buffalo; 3 hours drive is far
even for AM radio which is lower-powered in the U.S. if Chicago vs.
Milwaukee and Madison, WI are any indication, but then again there
is the case of reflection patterns on the coast vs. Chicagoland):

1. Do they talk about it like it's an HMO?  Or avoid that the doctors
  are private and operate in fee-for-service?  Then be suspicious ...

2. Do they make it sound like their insurance program is a federal one,
  rather than a provincial plan that's different from one to the next?
  This is important, as a critical listener ...

3. Do they say "zee" or "zed" for letter Z?  Once again, be suspicious.

4. Passing all these flags, do these people have extra private coverage
  that would have allowed them to "fly business or first class" with the
  private medical services?  If not, ask yourself which of them would
  have any sort of coverage at all in the U.S. ...

With #4: so people have enough money to call long-distance to Spokane
or Seattle radio talk shows (including hold time) but not get extra
health insurance ... uh huh ...

Yet another case for caller-ID ... (-;

gld


author: Larry Racies

subject: Re: health care

text:
In article <[email]>,
Cory Henriksen <[email]> wrote:

Snipped here to conserve space & bandwidth

Don't you recognize an insurance company shill when you hear one ?

The insurance industry is so frantic at the possibility that they
might lose their 7 billion honeypot if Single Payer gets enacted,
that they will do ANYTHING, include lying, bribery and what have you
to prevent it.

The fact is that repeated polls show that Canadians overwhelmingly
prefer their single payer system to ours or any other.(95% in one poll)

The word in Washington is, that after healthcare gets enacted, that
insurance companies will lay off many Congressmen.

Those "horror stories" have been proven to be, upon investigation,
pure fiction. Has anyone ever died in the USA after having been denied
a procedure by an insurance company ?

Wake up and smell the bullshit.

larry


author: FULLER M

subject: Re: health care

text:
In article <2qp6sv$[email]> [email] (Gary L Dare) writes:

How many of those polled have actually received service in both the U.S.
and Canada? How many can describe the general set-ups in both countries?
Since "free" health care is such a patriotic issue among Canadians, it's
no surprize to me that 96% are of the *opinion* that their system is
better.

I'd bet if you polled Canadians about beer you'd find that 96% think that
their beer is significantly more alcoholic than American beer, but that
doesn't make it true (they're actually about the same).

In the evening, AM radio goes a long way. Most low-powered stations sign
off at night, leaving the airwaves to the high-powered "superstations."

I can regularly receive talk shows from Boston, New York and even Chicago
in Fredericton after dark with a cheezy portable radio.

But DON'T assume that Canadians all talk in metric. I was once asked by
a couple of Nova Scotians to convert a distance from meters into yards!

BTW - Where does "zed" come from?

A lot of talk shows (especially the syndicated ones) have 800 numbers for
participants to call.

Malcolm Fuller, Surveying Engineering, University of New Brunswick
[email] or [email]            }>:-)> --->
__________________ The Second Amendment is Dumbo's feather _________________


subject: Re: health care

text:
FULLER  M <[email]> wrote:

Canadians see American health facilities on TV ... it looks and works
just like theirs (since they don't show HMO's).  Television shows done
in Canada use sets built by Canadian set designers, and location shots
on X-Files, Forever Knight, MacGuyver (sp?), Highlander and ENG (from
the top of my head) are shown down here to pass for American (except
Forever Knight, which makes no bones about being set in Toronto).

As you know, we get more British TV in Canada ... the National Health
portrayed there is akin to what you have in HMO's down here.  Too bad
for Kids In The Hall that we don't have National Health for them to
make jokes with ...

We say things like, "The mileage from Toronto to Montreal is, oh ...
about 600 kilometres!"

Latin via French after 1066 ... en francais, it is also "zed".  "Zee"
comes from Greek "zeta" (zee-ta) and I think it got into American
English from German (which were a substantial part of the early U.S.
populace).

Yeah, but are any of these continental?  As for local shows, I doubt
it.  And CNN almost never has 1-800 numbers ...

Someone told me in e-mail that during the first week of CNN's
"Calling All Sports", one show got a lot of calls from Canada.
Apparently there was a sale that weekend ...  probably explains
all those messages on my answering machine while I was down in
Phoenix. (-;

gld


author: david ford

subject: Re: Shredding Theory of NS, Phase III

text:
H,R.Gruemm <[email]> in "Re: Newman: theory of
       NS "falls far short of adequacy"" on 25 Nov 2003:
david ford:

The 1919 eclipse experiment left something to be desired in terms of
providing confirmation for Einstein's theory of general relativity.
Good evidence for general relativity was known well before the 1919
experiment.  See Steven Weinberg's _Dreams of a Final Theory_ (1993),
chapter V.

Please briefly describe 2 lines of observational evidence that Darwin
presented in his writings as support for the theory of natural
selection.

What exactly did Archaeopteryx derive from?
Into what exactly did Archaeopteryx transform?
Do you really consider the series _____, Archaeopteryx, _____
confirmatory of Darwin's theory of natural selection?
(If "yes," are you aware of any papers in the peer-reviewed scientific
literature that concur?)

What exactly did H. Erectus derive from?
Into what exactly did H. Erectus transform?
Do you really consider the series _____, H. Erectus, _____
confirmatory of Darwin's theory of natural selection?
(If "yes," are you aware of any papers in the peer-reviewed scientific
literature that concur?)

Please briefly describe how genetics provided confirmatory evidence
for the theory of natural selection in the years before 1932.
Also, please provide references to 2 papers in the peer-reviewed
scientific literature for the claim that genetics provides
confirmatory evidence for the theory of natural selection.


subject: Re: Shredding Theory of NS, Phase III

text:
[email] (david ford) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Of common descent.

Are you being childish or what ? In order to determine that a fossil
is a transitional, we don't need the birth cetrificate of its
grandfather.

Regards,
HRG.


author: Dana Tweedy

subject: Re: Shredding Theory of NS, Phase III

text:
"david ford" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
snipping

One was comparison with directed selection by farmers and pigeon breeders,
another was camoflage and mimicry in animals.   See chapter 4 of Origin of
Species:
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species/chapter-04.html

A feathered theropod.

We don't know if Archae "transformed" into anything, or was a dead end.
However it's clear that since birds exist today, one or more of Archae's
relatives did leave descendants which modern birds are descended from.  If
A. lithographica did speciate, it would have been into another species of
feathered theropod.

No, more conformatory of the concept of common descent.  Natual selection is
supported by other evidence.

I'm not aware that anyone claimed that individual species in the fossil
record were evidence for natural selection.

Here's some evidence of natural selection:
http://www.biology-online.org/2/11_natural_selection.htm

Most likely H. habilis, or H. ergaster

H. erectus may have been the ancestor of H.neanderthalensis, and archaic
H.sapiens.  Other phylogenic trees draw the ancestor of neanderthals and
modern humans as H. heidelburgensis   There's a great deal of debate among
paleoentologists over the exact linage.  See:
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html

Again, it's evidence of common descent.  There is other evidence for natural
selection.

Snip the rest

DJT