author: Julien ÉLIE

subject: microsoft.public.* discontinued on msnews.microsoft.com (October 2010)

text:
Hi all,

The 125 last newsgroups were removed at the beginning of the month
on msnews.microsoft.com.

On October, 12th 2010:

% telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119
Trying 207.46.248.16...
Connected to msnews.microsoft.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.3959 Version: 6.0.3790.3959 Posting Allowed
LIST
215 list of newsgroups follow
.
LIST NEWSGROUPS
215 descriptions follow
.
QUIT
205 closing connection - goodbye!

Which means that microsoft.public.* is now discontinued
on the Microsoft news server named msnews.microsoft.com.


author: Dmitry

subject: Re: microsoft.public.* discontinued on msnews.microsoft.com (October 2010)

text:
Stavo sgranocchiando il mio tronketto di legno, quando Julien ï¿½LIE mi ha
distratto scrivendo:

In fact if these groups still have traffic, I think these groups should
not be canceled by any server. Microsfot choices are not relevant to me.

the real question is whether the hierarchy is alive or not, imho.


author: Adam H. Kerman

text:
Julien ALIE <[email]> wrote:

I figured the server would simply be taken off line. Bizarre.


text:
Dmitry <[email]> wrote:

Nah. There's no Usenet-wide concern unless and until someone declares
himself hierarchy administrator. In the meantime, there's nothing to do.


text:
Hi Adam,

I believe it is still up because other newsgroups are carried
by this news server (probably microsoft.private.*).

(It could have responded 480 after LIST, if not authenticated...)


author: D. Stussy

text:
As the official list of groups on the Micro$oft server is now zero, may we
now change this hierarchy to UNMANAGED, as there does seem to be plenty of
Usenet hosts out there still carrying groups that have traffic.

Please consider changing the ISC control entry to:

## MICROSOFT (Microsoft Corporation, USA)
#
# This hierarchy was discontinued by its sponsor, Microsoft, but continues
to be
# in use at many Usenet hosts.  Therefore, it is now considered unmanaged.
#
newgroup:*:microsoft.*:mail
newgroup:[email]:microsoft.*:drop
newgroup:tale@*uu.net:microsoft.*:drop
rmgroup:*:microsoft.*:drop

Another alternative is to simply drop the entry.  However, due to continued
usage, I would be against the suggestion.


text:
D. Stussy <[email]> wrote:

I oppose this. I see no reason not to allow an institutional/commercial/
customer self-support hierachy to go defunct once the institution or
commercial entity abandons it. But if someone wishes to declare himself
hierarchy administrator at a later point, that would be fine, too.

Of course defunct hierarchies should remain on the list, given that a number
of them have been there for close to 20 years.

I'd say retain a defunct hierarchy on the list for a few years.


text:
Hi Dieter,

Time to clean the hierarchy.

Maybe we should consider sending a *signed* checkgroups with only
one newsgroup in the hierarchy, then an rmgroup for this newsgroup
and finally an empty checkgroups.
In January or February 2011.

I don't plan on sending 1772 rmgroup articles.  But I can if
someone thinks it is important to send them.  Just speak up.
Nonetheless, without trolling, please.


text:
Julien ï¿½LIE <[email]> wrote:

I see no reason to pretend that there's any recognition of any group
for even a few months and that there should be no additional control
messages lacking a hierarchy administrator.

At this point, do nothing.


text:
"Julien ï¿½LIE" <[email]> wrote in message
news:ie65n5$qls$[email]...

How about on December 30?  That way, there is no hierarchy in 2011.  It
also allows a day to propagate.  ;-)

...And change the ISC control.ctl file on January 1.

I don't blame you for that one.  A checkgroups, leaving one group, then an
rmgroup is cleaner anyway.


author: Heena Vora

subject: INN/solaris installation probs

text:
Hi there:

I'm compiling INN with solaris 2.3.  I've run "make world install" sucessfully
  Then I ran sh BUILD to create a history database and got a error like this

Too many commands, last: s#@<_PATH_CONFIG>@#/usr/local/news/inn.conf#g

BUILD : test: argument expected

Any pointers would be appreciated

Thanks
Heena


author: Tim Frost

subject: Re: INN/solaris installation probs

text:
In article <2s1p15$[email]>, Heena Vora <[email]> wrote:

This looks like what I see on a SVR3 machine, when a complex sed script
is run.   Some versions of sed are restricted to 20 edit commands in one
invokation.   Look at BUILD, and count the number of edits being
required of sed in the invokation which is being done.  I had to split
the sed scripts into blocks of 20 before sed was happy.

Good luck.

Tim


author: mathew

subject: Re: INN/solaris installation probs

text:
In article <[email]>, Tim Frost <[email]> wrote:

Try GNU sed.

You'll also need GNU awk and a copy of Perl.  When the documentation
says you'll need them, it isn't lying.

mathew


author: Rich Salz

subject: Re: INN/solaris installation probs

text:
Use the C version of subst.  This is explained in the install manual.
The BUILD script should be calling the right version of subst.
Please let me know if I have a bug.

The documentation says that on some systems you might need better versions
of some programs, but it *NEVER* says you need Perl.  If you follow
the instructions then you don't need inncheck, the only Perl script
in the INN distribution.  If you don't feed MANY sites you don't need
a different awk, and you can work around the egrep problems by shortening
the patterns in scanlogs.
	/r$


author: Vicki Jordan

subject: How to locate cause of broken pipe (nntpd)

text:
How does one find out what breaks a pipe?

The situation in question is nnptd running on a Decstation 2100 (Ultrix
4.1).  The first log message refers to a connection where localhost is
engaged in an <IHAVE> dialogue with its server (a VMS machine, running
ANU-NEWS 6-03, Multinet).   Unfortunately, this means that the site which
feeds me has to repeatedly re-connect until all items have been processed.
The second message refers to a readnews session from a client (a VMS machine,
running ANU-NEWS 6-01, CMU-TCP).

04:18:49 localhost: 10238 nntpd: xvax.ucs.unimelb.edu.au disconnect: Broken pipe
12:57:13 localhost: 12395 nntpd: lust1.latrobe.edu.au disconnect: Broken pipe

I have run nntp with full logging, but get no more info than the "disconnect:
Broken pipe" message.

At first I thought it might be a resource problem on the Ultrix side,
but increasing the no of user processes (150) has not helped.  The only
other thing of interest is that no broken pipes are logged from any of
our Unix client machines (RISC/os 4.52, AUX, AIX) which run either rrn or xrn.

I know this would seem to point a finger at ANU-NEWS, however, the VMS
site which feeds me gets a a message indicating it is the Ultrix machine
which is at fault:

%MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to nude LU
-SYSTEM-F-LINKEXIT, network partner exited

Any help would be appreciated.
Since I have cross-posted to so many groups, please email and I will
summarise responses (and -hopefully- the answer!).

-----------------------
Vicki Jordan
La Trobe University
Bundoora AUstralia 3083

[email]


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: How to locate cause of broken pipe (nntpd) - 1.5.11 10th Feb

text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (Vicki Jordan) writes:

.. I forgot to say that I'm running the 10th Feb. version.

char	nntp_version[] = "1.5.11 (10 February 1991)";


author: Agelmar

subject: Re: Student Exercise

text:
"eilidh carle" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

What kind of piece of crap college would have you spam an important
newsgroup? I hope you fail your assignment. Go to alt.test or misc.test with
crap like this.


author: Wayne Brown

subject: Re: Student Exercise

text:
eilidh carle <[email]> wrote:

Please post the name and email address of the teacher who assigned you
this Exercise.


author: Skam

subject: Re: Student Exercise

text:
Thats funny, my teachers only give me non-sensical rubbish to do too, but
never in a news group!!

Skam
www.haveitback.com

"eilidh carle" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: johnjohn

subject: Re: Student Exercise

text:
"Agelmar" <[email]> wrote in message news:<ae7id7$4o9kj$[email]>...
.


author: Theo Markettos

subject: Re: Student Exercise

text:
Wayne Brown <[email]> wrote:

If anyone feels like chasing this up, a little digging reveals:

Headers say originating IP is 194.83.70.226

atm26@portal:~$ whois 194.83.70.226
% This is the RIPE Whois server.
% The objects are in RPSL format.
% Please visit http://www.ripe.net/rpsl for more information.
% Rights restricted by copyright.
% See http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/copyright.html

inetnum:      194.83.70.224 - 194.83.70.231
netname:      SOUTHLANA-COLL
descr:        South Lanarkshire College
descr:        JIPC-2957 -  000000000000270
country:      GB
admin-c:      SM10917-RIPE
tech-c:       HM9346-RIPE
status:       ASSIGNED PA
notify:       [email]
mnt-by:       JANET-HOSTMASTER
changed:      [email] 20001115
changed:      [email] 20011024
source:       RIPE

route:        194.80.0.0/14
descr:        JANET
descr:        c/o [email]
origin:       AS786
mnt-lower:    JIPS-NOSC
mnt-by:       JIPS-NOSC
changed:      [email] 20011024
source:       RIPE

person:       Susan Moore
address:      South Lanarkshire College
address:      85 Hamilton Road
address:      Cambuslang
address:      G72 7NY
address:      GB
phone:        +44 141 641 6600
fax-no:       +44 141 641 4296
e-mail:       [email]
nic-hdl:      SM10917-RIPE
notify:       [email]
mnt-by:       JANET-HOSTMASTER
changed:      [email] 20011017
source:       RIPE

person:       Harvie Milligan
address:      South Lanarkshire College
address:      85 Hamilton Road
address:      Cambuslang
address:      G72 7NY
address:      GB
phone:        +44 1355 243018
fax-no:       +44 1355 231044
e-mail:       [email]
nic-hdl:      HM9346-RIPE
notify:       [email]
mnt-by:       JANET-HOSTMASTER
changed:      [email] 20011017
source:       RIPE

I suggest mailing one of the slc.ac.uk addresses, rather than JANET
directly.

Theo


subject: Re: Student Exercise

text:
Wayne Brown wrote:

That is a nice idea.  I do recall asking one poster to read the FAQ and
perhaps give the teacher a copy of it.  It should be noted these types
of posts have appeared to have reduced some.


subject: Re: Student Exercise

text:
<[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...

I have absolutely no idea what type of teacher would assign this as an
assignment, nor any idea of what constructive purpose it would serve, but if
they really feel that it serves a purpose, why not alt.test or misc.test, or
something like that? (or heck, even microsoft.test)


author: Default User

subject: Outlook Express configuration

text:
Due to circumstances beyond my control, I have to switch to OE
6.0.0.2900.2180 for my newsreader at work. I'm trying to get things set up
and running into a few issues. I didn't find anything searching the web. I
understand that they might be intractable. I can't install any third-party
software like Quotefix, nor can I change to a different version.

1. I have a signature set up, using an external file. This works fine when
starting a new thread (see below). However, replies in threads don't have
the .sig.

2. I'd really prefer that the reader NOT download new headers when I select
a newsgroup. I prefer to have complete messages (synchronizing in OE
parlance), so I like to load all messages for all groups and run through
them, then reload everything for the next go around. I'd be middling ok if
it at least loaded complete messages. I hate that momentary hesitation while
it loads a message body.

3. Is there a way to get OE to auto-trim other .sigs? Not a big deal, but
handy.

Brian


subject: Re: Outlook Express configuration

text:
"Default User" <[email]> wrote:

I can't answer your questions but I can offer an alternative if your
workstation has a USB port available, install Xnews on a flash drive,
it should work fine w/o anything being installed on the workstation.

NOTE: Depending on the size of the flash drive you may want to turn
storage off.


author: chuckcar

subject: Re: Outlook Express configuration

text:
"Default User" <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

Are you even *allowed* to use usenet at work? a *lot* of places can and
will terminate you on the spot for such use of the internet. Desist
until you find out for sure. The fact that *only* OE is allowed on the
computer certainly points in that direction. Don't loose your job
because of online socializing.


subject: Re:  Can Mr. “Default” use a WiFi·connected laptop at work ?

text:
JeffRelf.F-M.FM   @. wrote:

No, non-company laptops aren't allowed on the premises these days.

I certainly don't want to start from scratch, as my other thread
indicates. I like the XanaNews I've been using for many years, but it's
written in Delphi, which I wouldn't be comfortable trying to refactor.

Brian


author: Pieter Zijlstra

text:
Brian wrote:

For the current versions of XanaNews it should be possible to run it
from an USB memory stick. If that's not what your looking for what else
do you want to change?

BTW latest public version can be found here (just the executable no
installer):
http://xananews.techtips.com.br/releases/xananews-1191269/

There are some notes on that pages but somehow people still fail to
read these ;) so I'm going to repeat it here:

Posting:
========
For certain server errors it will no longer continuously attempt
to post the same article over and over.  This is indicated in
the Queued Requests pane by a red stop mark (thread is paused).
If this happens verify if the post already made it to the server.
If it did, cancel the post request, in case it didn't, use the
(un)pause function from the context menu and post it again.

Vista:
======
On Vista it defaults to using the Vista explorer theme to draw the
trees. If you don't like this, turn it off ;-)

See Tools-> Options -> Program Settings -> Use Vista Explore Theme.

Note:
=====
Just for those upgrading from a version older than 1.18.1.5 and
have the feeling that it isn't very clear if a thread contains
unread messages...

See Tools -> Options -> Message Tree
- Uncheck the option "Hide Folder Icons".

... to get the folder icons back.


text:
Pieter Zijlstra wrote:

Well, that's a possibility. I've considered the memory stick approach.

Brian


author: D Baten

subject: Re Jamie and gmx

text: Anyone know Sebastian Moser - I understand he may be honcho of gmx?


author: Sysop

subject: Jamie and gmx

text:
Validating [email]...

Validation results
confidence rating: 3 - SMTP
The email address passed this level of validation
without an error. However, it is not guaranteed to be
a good address.  more info
canonical address: <[email]>

MX records
preference exchange IP address (if included)
10 mx0.gmx.com [74.208.5.90]
20 mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]

SMTP session
[Contacting mx0.gmx.com [74.208.5.90]...]
[Connected]
220 mx0.gmx.com GMX Mailservices ESMTP {mx-us004}
EHLO hexillion.com
250-mx0.gmx.com GMX Mailservices
250-8BITMIME
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250 SIZE
MAIL FROM:<[email]>
250 2.1.0 ok {mx-us004}
RCPT TO:<[email]>
250 2.1.5 ok {mx-us004}
RSET
250 2.0.0 Flushed {mx-us004}
QUIT
221 2.0.0 GMX Mailservices {mx-us004}
[Connection closed]

_________________________________

Address lookup
canonical name gmx.com.
aliases
addresses 74.208.5.84

Domain Whois record
Queried whois.internic.net with "dom gmx.com"...

   Domain Name: GMX.COM
   Registrar: 1 & 1 INTERNET AG
   Whois Server: whois.schlund.info
   Referral URL: http://REGISTRAR.SCHLUND.INFO
   Name Server: DNS.GMX.NET
   Name Server: NS.GMX.NET
   Status: ok
   Updated Date: 09-may-2010
   Creation Date: 07-may-1994
   Expiration Date: 08-may-2011

Queried whois.schlund.info with "gmx.com"...

domain:                          gmx.com
created:                         07-May-1994
last-changed:                    09-May-2010
registration-expiration:         08-May-2011

nserver:                         dns.gmx.net 213.165.64.1
nserver:                         ns.gmx.net 213.165.64.2

status:                          CLIENT-TRANSFER-PROHIBITED

registrant-firstname:            Achim
registrant-lastname:             Weiss
registrant-organization:         GMX GmbH
registrant-street1:              Frankfurter Ring 129
registrant-pcode:                80807
registrant-city:                 Muenchen
registrant-ccode:                DE
registrant-phone:                +49.89143390
registrant-fax:                  +49.8914339100
registrant-email:                [email]

admin-c-firstname:               Achim
admin-c-lastname:                Weiss
admin-c-organization:            GMX GmbH
admin-c-street1:                 Frankfurter Ring 129
admin-c-pcode:                   80807
admin-c-city:                    Muenchen
admin-c-ccode:                   DE
admin-c-phone:                   +49.89143390
admin-c-fax:                     +49.8914339100
admin-c-email:                   [email]

tech-c-firstname:                Achim
tech-c-lastname:                 Weiss
tech-c-organization:             GMX GmbH
tech-c-street1:                  Frankfurter Ring 129
tech-c-pcode:                    80807
tech-c-city:                     Muenchen
tech-c-ccode:                    DE
tech-c-phone:                    +49.89143390
tech-c-fax:                      +49.8914339100
tech-c-email:                    [email]

bill-c-firstname:                Achim
bill-c-lastname:                 Weiss
bill-c-organization:             GMX GmbH
bill-c-street1:                  Frankfurter Ring 129
bill-c-pcode:                    80807
bill-c-city:                     Muenchen
bill-c-ccode:                    DE
bill-c-phone:                    +49.89143390
bill-c-fax:                      +49.8914339100
bill-c-email:                    [email]

Network Whois record
Queried whois.arin.net with "n 74.208.5.84"...

NetRange:       74.208.0.0 - 74.208.255.255
CIDR:           74.208.0.0/16
OriginAS:
NetName:        1AN1-NETWORK
NetHandle:      NET-74-208-0-0-1
Parent:         NET-74-0-0-0-0
NetType:        Direct Allocation
NameServer:     NSA2.1AND1.COM
NameServer:     NSA.1AND1.COM
Comment:        For abuse issues, please use only [email]
RegDate:        2006-11-22
Updated:        2009-08-12
Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-74-208-0-0-1

OrgName:        1&1 Internet Inc.
OrgId:          11INT
Address:        701 Lee Rd
Address:        Suite 300
City:           Chesterbrook
StateProv:      PA
PostalCode:     19087
Country:        US
RegDate:        2006-09-05
Updated:        2009-04-17
Comment:        http://www.1and1.com
Comment:        For abuse issues, please use only [email]
Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/11INT

OrgTechHandle: 1NO-ARIN
OrgTechName:   1and1 ARIN Role
OrgTechPhone:  +1-610-560-1617
OrgTechEmail:  [email]
OrgTechRef:    http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/1NO-ARIN

RTechHandle: 1NO-ARIN
RTechName:   1and1 ARIN Role
RTechPhone:  +1-610-560-1617
RTechEmail:  [email]
RTechRef:    http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/1NO-ARIN

RNOCHandle: 1NO-ARIN
RNOCName:   1and1 ARIN Role
RNOCPhone:  +1-610-560-1617
RNOCEmail:  [email]
RNOCRef:    http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/1NO-ARIN

RAbuseHandle: 1AD-ARIN
RAbuseName:   1and1 Abuse Department
RAbusePhone:  +1-877-206-4253
RAbuseEmail:  [email]
RAbuseRef:    http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/1AD-ARIN

DNS records
DNS query for 84.5.208.74.in-addr.arpa returned an error from the server:
NameError

name class type data time to live
gmx.com IN SOA server: dns.gmx.net
email: hostmaster.gmx.net
serial: 2010060900
refresh: 28800
retry: 7200
expire: 604800
minimum ttl: 3600
 3600s (01:00:00)
gmx.com IN TXT v=spf1 ip4:213.165.64.0/23 ip4:74.208.5.64/26
ip4:74.208.122.0/26 -all 86400s (1.00:00:00)
gmx.com IN MX preference: 10
exchange: mx0.gmx.com
 3600s (01:00:00)
gmx.com IN MX preference: 20
exchange: mx0.gmx.net
 3600s (01:00:00)
gmx.com IN A 74.208.5.84 3600s (01:00:00)
gmx.com IN NS ns.gmx.net 3600s (01:00:00)
gmx.com IN NS dns.gmx.net 3600s (01:00:00)

Traceroute
Tracing route to gmx.com [74.208.5.84]...

hop rtt rtt rtt   ip address fully qualified domain name
1 3 3 6   70.84.211.97 61.d3.5446.static.theplanet.com
2 0 0 0   70.87.254.5 po101.dsr02.dllstx5.theplanet.com
3 0 0 0   70.85.127.109 po52.dsr02.dllstx3.theplanet.com
4 0 0 0   70.87.253.21 et3-1.ibr03.dllstx3.theplanet.com
5 0 0 0   209.66.99.89 209.66.99.89.available.above.net
6 1 1 0   64.125.26.209 ge-2-0-0.mpr1.dfw2.us.above.net
7 28 29 28   64.125.25.133 xe-2-0-0.cr1.ord2.us.above.net
8 28 28 28   64.125.26.250 xe-1-1-0.er1.ord7.above.net
9 28 28 28   206.223.119.24 equinix.bb-b.cr.chi.us.oneandone.net
10 39 39 39   74.208.1.54 te-2-4.bb-b.ws.mkc.us.oneandone.net
11 39 39 39   74.208.1.89 te-1-2.bb-a.slr.lxa.us.oneandone.net
12 39 39 39   74.208.1.99 ae-1.gw-dists-a.slr.lxa.us.oneandone.net
13 39 39 39   74.208.5.84

Trace complete

-- end --


author: Stop stalking me

subject: Re: Jamie and gmx

text:
On Sep 14, 4:00 pm, "Sysop" <[email]> wrote:
<SNIP>

Stop testing email addresses there would be no reason for you to
contact
gmx.com I am doing nothing wrong what so ever. So stop stalking
and harassing me.


subject: Re: Jamie and gmx

text:
On Sep 14, 7:06 pm, Some Bastard <.@.> wrote:

Again more lies and libel I am not port scanning anyone or abusing
proxies
Tor nodes are also NOT proxies they are different.

Nope I am not port scanning anyone again more lies and libel
by this kook


subject: Re: Jamie and gmx

text:
On Sep 14, 7:45 pm, Sam <[email]> wrote:

No I am not.

Yes if you continue to harass and stalk me I will
see that further actions are taken till such time as
you cease these activities against me.

Fuck off you stalker I am doing nothing wrong.  There is NO
reason to contact gmx.com and spam them.

Your complaints are false  and there is no need to contact them
what so ever.


author: Some Bastard

subject: Re: Jamie and gmx

text:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:18:36 -0700 (PDT), Stop stalking me
<[email]> wrote:

Whiner and liar.  You rape proxies, spam abusive messages, port scan
people (yes fatty, i STILL have the logs when you launched a pointless
scan against my server on 4/20/10) and generally act like an extremely
retarded chicken boner.


author: Sam

subject: Re: Jamie and gmx

text:
Stop stalking me writes:

There is a very valid reason to contact gmx: they have a tard infestation
that they need to be aware of, and exterminate.

Yes, you do. You're a tard. That's very wrong.

No.


author: SneakyP

subject: Re: Jamie and gmx

text:
Stop stalking me <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

Liar:

http://www.projecthoneypot.org/ip_174.138.169.221

They got you, Lamie.

They logged you good and there's nothing you can do about it.  I'll let
them know you used their honeypot.

Cheers!


author: stinky

subject: Re: Jamie and gmx

text:
In article
<[email]>,
 Stop stalking me <[email]> wrote:

So you DID port scan in the past?


subject: Re: Jamie and gmx

text:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT), Stop stalking me
<[email]> bleated the following lie:

Fatty, it doesn't matter how much you lie, I have PROOF.  Wanna see
it?

http://tard.btfh.net/tard-scan.txt


subject: Re: Jamie and gmx

text:
Stop making fun of me writes:

You've been promising to take "further actions" against me for months. Yawn.

I've yet to see you do anything except repeatedly squeal like a twelve-year
old girl at a Justin Bieber concert.

I'm stalking and harassing you right now, tard. Right this very moment. What
are you gonna to do about it? Whine more about me being a criminal and a
stalker? Nobody believes you tard. Nobody here. Not the police. Nobody.

That's right, tard. You have the right idea, all you have to do, all you
have to really do is squeal and whine LOUDER, and /then/ somebody, maybe,
will finally believe you.

You're almost there, tard. Just a few more squeals, meaningless diatribes,
and just a few more suggestions for everyone else to fuck off, and your life
will suddenly become wine and roses. Birds will start singing, unicorns will
come out of the forest and start dancing, and everyone will suddenly like
you, because you finally convinced everyone to fuck off, right!

All that hard work, tard, and you almost made it! You can see the finish
line right in front of you! You're almost done, tard! You can almost taste
victory. Just a few more fuck offs, and you're good as golden. We know you
can do it, tard! Come on, don't disappoint us! We're all pulling for you.

Nope, but keep trying. Just a few more fuck offs, and maybe you'll get
different results. You can always hope, tard.

You most certainly are. You are wasting precious oxygen that other living
organisms can put to a better use.

Nobody said anything about "spamming" gmx.com. Telling them that they have a
tard infestation is not spamming anyone, it's doing a public service.

What complaints are you talking about, tard? Can you post a copy of one such
complaint, which you claim to be false? I've yet to send a single false
complaint to anyone, tard. All my complaints are true. If you believe that
any of them are false, feel free to post them and explain exactly why
they're false.

There certainly is a very good reason to contact them: to inform them that
they have a tard infestation: a documented spammer and a john for a
customer. I would certainly want to know, myself, if a spammer or a criminal
moved next door to me. I'm sure they will want to know that, too.

GMX's email address, and mailing address for legal service:

http://www.gmx.com/about.html

GMX also has a Facebook account, apparently. I wonder if they allow others
to post on their wall. I'm hereby calling a secret meeting of the anti-tard
cabal, to discuss the proposition of posting on GMX's wall a notice that
they have a tard infestation, including links to tard's criminal records and
all the existing tard sites. The meeting will be held on the usual mailing
list, at the usual daily brieing time.


author: Mike

subject: Re: Jamie and gmx

text:
"Sam" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Maybe they'll want to know about all the RBL listings?

They'll have to install a heavy-duty spellchecker...

What complaints are you talking about, tard? Can you post a copy of one such
complaint, which you claim to be false? I've yet to send a single false
complaint to anyone, tard. All my complaints are true. If you believe that
any of them are false, feel free to post them and explain exactly why
they're false.

Now don't confuse them with facts!

Mike


subject: Re: Jamie and gmx


author: frag

subject: [ANN] Gravity 2.7.1b.9 BETA released

text:
Gravity 2.7.1b.9 BETA has just been released on
SourceForge.

Download location :-
https://sourceforge.net/projects/mpgravity/

Project website:-
http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/

Please note that this is a BETA release so there
may be bugs in the new functionality. The last
STABLE release is 2.7.1.8.

I am pleased to announce that following many
requests from users, the toolbar now has all its
buttons back.

(If you don't know what I'm talking about, when
Gravity changed from being "pay for" software to
freeware nearly all the buttons disappeared due to
copyright reasons with some code)

We've also introduced some other small enhancements
and fixed a number of bugs.

Here is the full list of changes in this version:-

Build 9 : Beta release

  [+] Added : The Buttons are Back! The following have been added:-
	Update Server Counts
	Retrieve Tagged Articles
	Purge and Compact Database
	Skip to Next Unread
	Skip to Next Unread in Thread
	Skip to Next Unread Local
	View Next Unread
	View Next Unread in Thread
	View Next Unread Local
	Previous
	Next
	Copy
	Print
	Find
	Search Google Groups
	Subscribe...
	Retrieve Newsgroup Headers
	Get New Groups
	Re-read All Groups
	Newsgroup Properties
	Watch Thread
	Ignore Thread
	Bozo Author
	Show Full Headers
	Mark Article Read
	Mark Article Unread
	Mark Article Protected
	Delete Article
	Forward Article via Mail
	Save Article As
	Un/Tag Article
	Cancel Article
	Gallery
	Zoom In
	Outbox
	Apply Rule
  [+] Updated : DejaNews has been changed to Google Groups.
  [+] Added : Small border round main article pane to improve appearance.
  [-] Fixed : Bug in the Rules and Filters dialog where an message would
      appear when you tried to use parenthesis.
  [-] Fixed : Missing validation on the Date/Time format field.
  [-] Changed : Undo in compose dialog did not work properly. This has been
      disabled for now. To be fixed properly at a later date.
  [-] Fixed : "Back to Draft" from Outbox does not loose article body now.

NOTE : This installer will OVERWRITE "DejaNewsUrl"
in the registry with the new URL for Google Groups.
If you have customised this URL please make a note
of your customised URL *before* installation.
Once Gravity has been installed you may restore
your customised URL if desired.

Lastly I would like to thank all the people who
have taken time to use Gravity and submit bug
reports and feature suggestions.

Don't forget the Gravity webpage on Sourceforge
(URL above) has bug and feature request lists and
user support forums where anyone can come and
join in.


subject: Re: [ANN] Gravity 2.7.1b.9 BETA released

text:
In article <[email]>, [email]
says...

Taking a look at it now, it seems to work?

Compliment: Unlike some other readers I don't immediately hate it! <G>

If I wanted to use it to replace Xnews I'd have a bunch of learning to
do.


text:
On 29 Jan 2009, frag <[email]> wrote in
news.software.readers:

I bought the commercial version of Gravity from Anawave back in the day
and I loved it at that time, especially since I was on dial-up and had
to read news off-line. I eventually gave it up because the message
database was rather fragile and kept getting corrupted. Have there been
any improvements in that area that would make the database more robust?


author: mdw

text:
In article <[email]>, [email]
says...

Thank's

First icon (Connect/Disconnect) have a not the good picture
- Down : Gravity is Connected, but icon is unpluged
- Up : Gravity if Disconnected, but icon is Pluged
(reverse)

?

Since 2.7.1 On Vista, Head line of Newsgroup pane is OK (3D effect, but
head line of thread pane is white)

See
http://cjoint.com/data/bFoL4RppWh.htm


text:
XS11E wibbled...

Thanks, but I'm just maintinaing it. The people at Microplanet deserve the
credit for creating it in the first place :)

Sadly such is life.

Happily once learned, I hope you'll prefer it to Xnews!


text:
Nil wibbled...

I've not had any problems with the database since I've started using and
developing it. (apart from self inflicted bugs in my own test versions :)

Give this latest version a whirl, I don't think you'll have any problems
with the database, but if you do, please let me know about them.


text:
mdw wibbled...

It might look reversed to start with, but it is in fact correct.

The button "status" shows the connected / disconnected status.

The button "icon" shows the action that will happen when you press the
button.

I.e. when you are connected the button shows "highlighted" = you're
connected. And the image represents the action that will happen when you
press the button = it will disconnect.

In the main article window the text was hard up against the left hand side
divider. I've added a 2 pixel border all round (the border is the same
colour as the pane background so you can't see it, it means the text is
moved away from the border slightly)

Don't worry if you don't notice it, it's made Tom happy :)

Thanks, I've not tested it under Vista.


text:
frag <[email]> wrote:

OK, thanks to the people at Microplanet!

I like it but I like Xnews better.  I think one of the biggest
differences is that I'm so familiar with Xnews.  It would take me
months or more to get Gravity working to suit me, it took me years to
get Xnews as I want it and I'm still learning!


text:
On 30 Jan 2009, frag <[email]> wrote in
news.software.readers:

It's been so long that I don't remember what triggered the corruption,
but it used to happen a few times a year. The only solution was to
delete it and start fresh, which would lose all my stored articles, of
course.

I may give Gravity another look soon. It used to really fit my way of
thinking at the time. I was very disappointed when they discontinued
it, but I guess I got my money's worth out of it.


author: Tom B.

text:
frag <[email]> wrote ...

- snip -

Maybe it will fix when you work on the thread pane separators, because it
looks flat in XP also.


text:
XS11E <[email]> wrote ...

-snip-

I understand completely, changing newsreaders is kind of like switching
from briefs to boxers.


text:
Nil <[email]> wrote ...

I have not had a corrupt database yet through normal use since Frag started
building 2.7.1 last August or September (knock on wood). But I save backups
for testing, so I don't worry about it. Gravity still works the same, only
much better and with some newer features (maybe a lot of features if you
haven't used it since Anawave!).

The new builds are built with newer tools and the performance is very good.
If you remember, Gravity would "white out" and go into a bizarre la-la
state when handling a lot of headers. That rarely happens to me (actually
it has not happened to me with the new 2.7.1 builds). Build 9 is sweet. If
you decide to try it, XP is the optimal OS and the only OS *officially*
supported, but people are using it on Vista with few problems reported.


text:
Tom B. wibbled...

I think so too. This header pane is now fixed under XP and will be in the
next release.

Hope it fixes the problem under Vista too mdw.


author: Blinky the Shark

text:
Tom B. wrote:

But wait.  With that change, there's only one parameter you need to decide
on.


text:
Tom B. <[email]> wrote:

It's different.  I switched from briefs to boxers when I joined the
USMC and our kindly drill instructors told us we'd be wearing boxers
from then on.  There was no discussion, no opinions were solicited.


text:
Blinky the Shark <[email]> wrote ...

Look again - several parameters could be affected


author: john sumner

text:
XS11E <[email]> wrote in
news:Xns9BA3AE39CAAE9xs11emailinatorcom@127.0.0.1:

Kindly drill instrutors in the marines, that is a real oxymoron<G>


text:
Blinky the Shark <[email]> wrote ...

- snip -

You left out the twins. Look again


author: Blinky The Dead Shark

text:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:25:59 -0500, Tom B. wrote:

You're right but WTH I was sick as shit.


author: Gerrit de Blaauw

subject: Article expired -- correction: still there!

text:
I use Collabra, the newsreader of Netscape (4.7x). When reading articles
from a newsserver called news.cis.dfn.de, I often get the message
"Article expired" when clicking on a newsgroup article. However, when
doubleclicking the same line, the article does appear after all, full
screen.
Is this a Netscape bug or a peculiar property of the newsserver?


author: Red Mike

subject: Re: Article expired -- correction: still there!

text:
On Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:22:03 GMT, Gerrit de Blaauw
<[email]> wrote:

When I used Netscape 3 I'd get this message a lot with the second try
showing the article was really there as you say.  Usually, it would
give the *expired* message when I clicked on it while Netscape was in
the middle of something else.

I'd call it a Netscape bug.


author: *BobGootee

text:
Gerrit de Blaauw wrote:

Gerrit,
It is a Netscape bug. Upgrade to 4.76 and it will just sit there like
it's searching. Upgrade to 4.77 and it will go away.


author: Matt

subject: REQ: macro/script to format posts

text:
I'm using slrn (well, not at this moment) but this may be more of a text
processing question:

I want something that can automatically format a poorly wrapped Usenet
post I'm following up.

I'm using vi, but that may not matter.

I know how to call the fmt command to rewrap a line or paragraph within
vi.

I've picked up some quote (add "> ") and dequote shell scripts on the
web; however, it is still tedious to format posts because I have to:

1. Dequote the post (or paragraph or whatever).

2. Wrap it with fmt.  (If you don't dequote first, the quote signs will
get mangled in with the text).

3. Quote it.

I'd like these 3 steps to be automated in one command and bound to a key
command within vi.  I really don't know enough shell scripting to
combine the quote and dequote scripts into one that does this.  Nor do I
have any clue how to do S-lang macros in slrn.

I welcome any suggestions or web resources.


author: Rudy Taraschi

subject: Re: REQ: macro/script to format posts

text:
Matt <[email]> wrote:

I have a quick and dirty solution for you that does not involve shell
scripts or S-lang.  It's not the perfect solution (probably because
I'm too lazy to fix it) and will get you 99% of the way.  Try putting
the following two lines in your .exrc file:

  map f ma:.,$s/^> /  /^M`a!}fmt -72^M:.,$s/^  /> /^M
  map F !}fmt -72^M}z.

Use 'f' to reformat quoted text beginning with '> ' and 'F' to reformat
normal paragraphs.  Use it as a starting point, and customize it to
your needs.  Note: the '^M' sequences are actually Ctrl-V followed
by Enter if using vi.

Cheers!


author: J.B. Moreno

subject: Re: REQ: macro/script to format posts

text:
Matt <[email]> wrote:

There's nothing that is (or can be) 100% accurate, so you need to
indicate what limitations you are willing to accept in that regards.
What kind of false positives are you willing to "fix" manually?

BTW -- have you taken a look at par?  I believe it does a good job of
that sort of thing.


author: William Adderholdt

subject: Re: REQ: macro/script to format posts

text:
[Followups set to comp.editors]

In article <[email]>,
Matt  <[email]> wrote:
[snip]

Check the man page of the version of fmt that you're using, as mine has
this option:

       -p, --prefix=STRING
              combine only lines having STRING as prefix

So if I wanted to fix the wrapping of your text in vi, I would just
enter ':%!fmt -p"> "', and that would do what you're asking.  I don't
believe that this option comes with every version of fmt, though.  I'm
using the version that comes with the GNU textutils 2.0, so you might
want to try entering 'fmt --version'.

I also seem to remember vim having a function that does what you're
asking, but I can't remember how to invoke it.  Maybe a vim user on
this newsgroup could tell you.


subject: Re: REQ: macro/script to format posts

text:
In article <slrnagup5d.1kg.rudy@142.39.20.3>,
 Rudy Taraschi <[email]> wrote:

Thanks, I will try it.


subject: Re: REQ: macro/script to format posts

text:
In article <[email]>,
 [email] (J.B. Moreno) wrote:

Yes, of course, I don't mind doing a little manual cleanup.  I just
found myself repetitiously calling my dequote script, fmt, and my quote
script so figured there must be a better way.

Another thing I _would_like, though: something that deletes extraneous
quote signs ">" that are often left above or below paragraphs you're
quoting.  Would par do that?

Yes, I found the par web page, downloaded the source, but I'm such a
novice I don't know how to compile it.  (Tried running 'make' several
different ways but it gets stuck on an error).   I'm on a mac so what
works for linux/BSD users might not quite work for me.  I'll figure it
out, eventually.

Also, somewhat annoyingly, there appears to be a completely separate par
program that does archiving of some sort.


subject: Re: REQ: macro/script to format posts

text:
Matt <[email]> wrote:

The thing is, if your script is automatic, you'll have to recognize in
advance when it won't work.  Not too difficult, but definitely something
you'll have to learn to recognize in advance.

I'm not sure about that.

Someone wrote a perl script for fixing quoted text some time ago, it
might be easier for you to handle (I think it works better than the
routine that I wrote to do the same thing), if you like I'll post it for
you (original author seems to use XNA: yes, so it's not available via
google).

Yep.


subject: Re: REQ: macro/script to format posts

text:
In article <[email]>,
 [email] (J.B. Moreno) wrote:

If you can post or mail it, that'd be great.  Sorry for the late reply.


subject: Re: REQ: macro/script to format posts

text:
Matt <[email]> wrote:

OK, here it is -- I've made one change in it, per your request to get rid of
extra spaces between paragraphs, I've added a condition to the line that was
 print_wrapped($l[$i], $q[$i]) if ($q[$i] != -1);

so that it is now
print_wrapped($l[$i], $q[$i]) if (($q[$i] != -1) && ($l[$i] ne $l[$i-1]));

The reason I consider this better than the routine that I wrote, is
because of the line joining logic (i.e. where it says "Conditions for
joining two lines").  I did it simply if the quote depth is less than
the current quote depth.

Of course, whatever logic is used will fail sometime.

#############################################################################
#!/usr/local/bin/perl

# Paul Rupe  4/3/2001
# Version 1.2

# Quoting filter for newsgroup posts.  Attempts to reconstruct articles that
# have been mangled by newsreaders that wrap quoted text badly.
#   Usage:  fixquote.pl [input files]
# Will not catch everything and will mangle some posts, but a vast improvement
# on average.  In particular, this script run on itself as input turns out
# surprisingly well.

$WRAP = 72;            # Desired line length of output
$QUOTE = '\s*[>:|=]';  # Regex for quote prefix (no ^ necessary)
$SIGDASH = '-- ';      # Sig delimiter
$DEBUG = 0;            # Extra logging?

# Prints a given string word-wrapped with a given number of > chars in front
# of each line.
sub print_wrapped ($$)
{
  my ($l, $q) = @_;                      # Parameters, line and quote level
  my $p = ($q ? (">" x $q) . " " : "");  # Quote prefix
  my $w = $WRAP - length $p;             # Max line length adjusted for prefix
  my ($s, $s2);                          # Temps for segment we're printing

  # Sanity check, in case we have some absurdly deep quoting
  $w = int($WRAP / 2) if ($w < $WRAP / 2);
  while (1)
  {
    $s = substr $l, 0, $w;
    $l = substr $l, $w;
    $s .= $1 if ($l =~ s/^(\S+\s*)//);
    $s2 = $s;
    chomp $s2;
    if (length $s2 < $w)
    {
    }
    elsif ($s =~ s/\s+(\S+\s*)$//)
    {
      $l = "$1$l";
    }
    chomp $s;
    print "$p$s\n";
    last if (!$l);
  }
}

# Read through the input and construct three arrays:
#   o - the original input line (minus trailing whitespace)
#   q - the quote level of the line as determined by the regex $QUOTE
#   l - the original line without any quote prefixes
# It should be possible to do this without storing the entire input as an
# array, since we end up needing only the current and previous lines, but this
# is simpler.
for (@o = ( ), @q = ( ), @l = ( ), $i = 0; <DATA>; $i++)
{
  chop;
  # Expand tabs to 8 spaces
  s/\t/        /g;
  $o[$i] = $_;
  # Count the quote level by performing the substitution until it fails
  for ($q[$i] = 0; s/^$QUOTE//; $q[$i]++)
  {
  }
  # Remove one leading space if this is quoted text.  Later code assumes that
  # any line starting with whitespace is a new paragraph.
  s/^\s// if ($q[$i]);
  $l[$i] = $_;
}

printf STDERR "Read \%d lines.\n", scalar @l if ($DEBUG);

# Headers
# Pass these straight through
print STDERR "---Headers\n" if ($DEBUG);
for ($i = 0; $i < @l; $i++)
{
  last if (!($o[$i] =~ /:/));
  print "$o[$i]\n";
}

# Body
# This is where the fun begins
print STDERR "---Body\n" if ($DEBUG);

# Compute $m, the length of the longest line in the post.  We use this to
# approximate what the poster probably used for his word wrap.  Not strictly
# necessary--we could simply use $WRAP--but I've seen posts wrapped at 40
# chars with every quoted line folded in half.
for ($j = $i, $m = 0; $i < @l; $i++)
{
  last if ($o[$i] eq $SIGDASH);
  $m = length $o[$i] if (length $o[$i] > $m);
}
$m = $WRAP if ($m > $WRAP || $m == 0);
print STDERR "---Line length $m\n" if ($DEBUG);
$k = $i;

# Start at $j + 1 to avoid somehow combining the first line of the body with
# the last line of the headers.
for ($i = $j + 1; $i < $k; $i++)
{
  # Conditions for joining two lines:
  # 1 Current line is non-empty AND
  # 2 Previous line is at least half a line long AND
  # 3 Current line does not start with any whitespace AND
  # 4   Quote level of current line equals that of the previous line   OR
  # 5     Quote level of current line is less than that of the previous   AND
  # 6     Length of current line is less than half that of the previous line
  #
  # Rationale:
  # 1 No point in joining two lines if one is empty.  This fixes some boundary
  #   cases, as well as lets blank lines define new paragraphs.
  # 2 We don't want to combine lines like:
  #     Cheers,
  #     Paul
  #   Alternatively, we can use length of previous + length of current > 90%
  #   of max line length, but that doesn't seem to work as well.
  # 3 A line starting with more than whitespace might have been meant as a new
  #   paragraph, e.g.
  #     >  As I explained earlier, the plutonium driveshaft should be
  #     > coupled with the...
  #     >  And another thing, it would perhaps be more efficient to
  #     > allow the acceleration coefficient to...
  # 4 We combine adjacent lines that appear to be at the same quote level into
  #   a single long line, which we word wrap ourselves later.  We are really
  #   attempting to break the message into paragraphs here, not lines.
  # 5 When quoted text is wrapped by crappy newsreaders, part of the quote
  #   spills over into a new line with no > marker.  Subsequent quotings of
  #   THAT message, however, add their own >'s.  Hence a 3-level quote followed
  #   immediately by a 2-level quote is a candidate for combining.
  # 6 When the spillover happens, it tends to take up less than half the length
  #   of the full line above.
  if ($l[$i] &&                                              # 1
      length $l[$i - 1] > 0.5 * $m &&                        # 2
#      (length $o[$i - 1]) + (length $o[$i]) > 0.9 * $m &&    # 2 (alt)
      !($l[$i] =~ /^\s/) &&                                  # 3
      ($q[$i] == $q[$i - 1] ||                               #  4
       ($q[$i] < $q[$i - 1] &&                               #   5
        length $l[$i] < 0.5 * length $l[$i - 1])))           #   6
  {
    # Prepend line $i - 1 to line $i but use the quote level from $i - 1.  This
    # is because the quote level of $i is probably wrong according to 5 above
    # (unless they're the same, in which case it doesn't matter).  Set the
    # quote level of the (now empty) line $i - 1 to -1 so we know not to print
    # that line later.
    $l[$i] = $l[$i - 1] . (($l[$i - 1] =~ /\s$/) ? "" : " ") . $l[$i];
    $q[$i] = $q[$i - 1];
    undef $l[$i - 1];
    $q[$i - 1] = -1;
  }
}

# At this point each element of @l that we passed over in the previous for loop
# is a paragraph with a uniform quoting level.  Pass to the word wrap/display
# routine, skipping the ones we set to -1 earlier.
for ($i = $j; $i < $k; $i++)
{
  print_wrapped($l[$i], $q[$i]) if (($q[$i] != -1) && ($l[$i] ne $l[$i-1]));
}

# Sig
# Alternatively, we could simply continue the Body processing here as well.
# PROS:
#   + Would clean up quotes in top-posted articles that have the signature
#     before any quoted text.
# CONS:
#   - Top-posters often don't use the standard signature delimiter anyway, so
#     the condition is moot.
#   - The line-combining method might screw up people's ASCII art in their
#     (properly delimited) signatures.  Maybe no big loss, but we'd like to
#     avoid breaking well-formed posts as much as possible.
# Possible solution:
#   Do the same processing as above but modify the big if-condition slightly:
#     7 && 1 && 2 && 3 && (4 || (5 && 6))
#   where 7 = "quote-level of previous line is >= 1", i.e. $q[$i - 1] >= 1
#   That way only quoted text gets any treatment and hopefully the sig itself
#   will survive (unless it just happens to look like quoted text).
print STDERR "---Sig\n" if ($DEBUG);
for (; $i < @l; $i++)
{
  print "$o[$i]\n";
}

__DATA__
Hi!

Here is a part of a post from another newsgroup that it'd be great if
XNews could fix badly wrapped text on. Luckily, this newsgroup generally
doesn't get posts like this since people are using decent newsreaders.

Note that the wrap happened at multiple people's newsreaders.

If XNews could fix this - it would be even more awesome than it already is.

"nospam" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
it
the
speed
of
please
Clock


author: Moslems are goat fucking turdskins

text:
Global outcry at Islamic Taliban's use of boy in filmed beheading

http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,,2064910,00.html

 Declan Walsh in Kabul
Wednesday April 25, 2007
The Guardian

The Taliban's use of a young boy to behead a man drew international
criticism yesterday, with Unicef condemning the incident as "a
terrible example of how children can be used by adults to commit
heinous crimes in times of conflict".

In the videotape of the beheading the boy, who appears no older than
12, is seen standing over a blindfolded man, brandishing a long knife.
Wearing a combat jacket, oversized sneakers and a white headband, he
denounces the man in a high-pitched voice. "He is an American spy.
This is his fate," he says.

The baby-faced executioner kneels over the man and starts to slide the
knife across his throat. Blood spurts and the cries of "Allahu Akbar"
or "God is great" ring out. Then the boy triumphantly holds the
severed head aloft.

The gory execution was egregious even by the standards of the Taliban
who have killed hundreds of civilians in suicide bombings and
assassinations.

Unicef noted that the use of children under 15 years of age during a
conflict is a war crime under international law.

The videotape identified the executed man as Ghulam Nabi, a Pakistani
militant accused of betraying Mullah Akhtar Osmani, a Taliban
commander killed by a Nato airstrike last December. Nabi hailed from
Kili Faqiran, a village in western Baluchistan province in Pakistan
where the Taliban plans and prepares attacks on British troops across
the border in Helmand.

Nabi's father, Ghulam Sahki, confirmed that his son was a committed
Taliban fighter who had fought in Afghanistan and sheltered insurgent
leaders inside their mud-walled home, about a two-hour drive from the
border. But the grieving 70-year-old, who refused to watch the
execution video, vowed to avenge his death.

"The Taliban are not mujahedeen. They are not fighting for the cause
of Islam," he told Associated Press. "If I got my hands on them I
would kill them and even tear their flesh with my own teeth."

The video soundtrack, a droning Islamic chant, praises the fugitive
Taliban leader Mullah Muhammad Omar and Osama bin Laden. It also
mentions Mullah Dadullah, a one-legged Taliban commander who was
reportedly surrounded by Afghan troops and Nato troops in mountainous
Uruzgan province yesterday.

Executions of suspected collaborators have become common in Pakistan's
tribal belt, where victims' bodies are found dumped on the roadside
with a note warning against spying for America.

But such killings are rarely filmed and never involve a child -
something never seen even in Iraq. Sam Zarifi of Human Rights Watch
said the Taliban must live up to claims that they respect basic rules
of war. "This is truly shocking, without cultural context or
historical precedent. The Taliban must condemn this act and make sure
it never happens again," he said.


author: Kayid Al-Kuffar

text:
Anti-Islam posters just can't take it anymore! They know that Islam
growing fast in America and Europe. In Africa too.... So they became
desperate

Muslims should never come down to anti-Islam posters level. We are not
like them, nor do we ever want to be like them. We are Muslims, we are
extremely proud of it

In The Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be
upon His Messenger

They want to blow out the Light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah
perfecting His Light no matter how much the disbeliever hate it.

(Qur'an 61:8)

Anti-Islam posters are busy spewing LIES, HATE, BIGOTRY and PREJUDICE
against Muslims and Islam.

Dealing with the dregs of humanity anti-Islam trolls

Anti-Islam troll those who continuously posting off topic and hate-
filled, divisive rubbish on board. They have something in common, they
post inflammatory, inaccurate, abusive, obscene, profane and racially
offensive material. I would like to outline some basics of how to deal
with anti-Islam trolls?

Generally speaking, ignore the flame-bait!!

Do not feed the animals, do not feed the anti-Islam Trolls. Generally
speaking, all of these filthy messages should be ignored, and left to
expire from the news feed. Anti-Islam trolls who post articles of this
nature are out looking for trouble and trying to create it.

They are morally bankrupt, rude and hostile you don't need to sink to
their low level of immorality and filth.

If you do feel the need to write something to them, respond in private
e-mail to them - despite the facts that they posts via invalid or
stolen emails- Otherwise, please leave matters to the experienced
posters. They've had to deal with these situations many times before
and know what route to take.

If we don't follow these guidelines, we would all descend into
anarchy, and the whole point of the group would be lost.

Having said all that, I believe, Islam had faced 1400 years of attacks
from extreme religious people of other faiths. It not only survived,
it actually became the fastest growing religion of the world!

Warning there anti-Islam forgers and trolls amongst us, proceed with
caution

Get The Holy Quran. It is absolutely FREE

http://www.freequran.org/

Useful links

http://cair.com/default.asp

www.islamonline.net

http://www.muslimheritage.com/Default.aspx

http://www.studying-islam.org/index.aspx

Notice that anti-Islam trolls are busy trying to cheat us !!


author: Katrina

subject: Re: Dealing with the dregs of humanity anti-Islam trolls

text:
On Jul 22, 10:31 am, "Kayid Al-Kuffar" <[email]> wrote:

If that doesn't say it all, nothing does!


author: Ahura Mazda

text:
Thumbs up to Ramabriga, Aviroce, kangarooistan, Firnando and Trolls
Hunter

Good work guys.  It takes teamwork to bring down anti-Islam trolls and
imposters.  I know it was a tough few weeks but working together to
achieve this goal is great for all visitors to the alt.religion.islam
forum.

I don't know how the readers can thank you guys, but you get a big
thumbs up!  Keep up the good work!


author: Yaako Warrior from AUZ, China, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of shitskin moslems.

subject: Re: Global outcry at Islamic Taliban's use of boy in filmed beheading

text:
-------- Original Message  --------
Subject: Re:Global outcry at Islamic Taliban's use of boy in filmed
beheading
From: Yaako Warrior <[email]>
To:
alt.religion.islam,soc.culture.turkish,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,soc.culture.iranian,alt.religion.islam,soc.culture.turkish,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.usa
Date: 26/04/2007 14:40


author: TROLLS HUNTER

text:
The user of Chinese yaako.com a.k.a forger (ip 218.26.240.242)
continues to make a complete ass out of himself.

The user of Chinese yaako.com a.k.a forger (ip 218.26.240.242)  can't
take it any more, now getting really really really really desperate,
he starts sending out barrage Spam!! Well, That's will keep him
busy !!

Without rules, the malicious troll using fake identity to post off-
topic trash to unrelated group, stealing aliases, involved in
excessive cross-posting, identity theft, Spam, unauthorized third
party cancellation, all of those and many more illegal activities
originated from yaako.com ip 218.26.80.242

Besides harassing, stalking, and violating (USENET) policy, the
malicious misfit yaako forger addicted to forgery that he forged his
mother's underwear !!!

The user of Chinese yaako.com a.k.a forger (ip 218.26.240.242) is
stupid fat hungry monster eats every thing moves cats, dogs, rats,
mammal, bugs and
mosquitoes.

He's tried 9 times to kill himself...for once I wish he'd get it
right!

Furthermore, whenever he felt too happy, he always goes online to
depress himself.

Well he will get here what he is looking for depression-frustration-
depression-frustration depression-frustration depression-frustration
depression-frustration

The following is breif information about yaako.com

Domain name server  News.yaako.com  IP address 222.185.245.245
Mail manager ppyy#staff.cn99.com
Only open to domestic IP when posting

IP address location & IP address info:
IP address:  61.177.95.123 (Copy)
IP country:  China
IP address state: Beijing
IP address city: Beijing
IP latitude: 39.928902
IP longitude: 116.388298
ISP:  Data Communication Division
Organization: CHINANET jiangsu province network
Host: lists.cn99.com
Local Time: 2007-07-17 03:39


author: Yaako Warrior

text:
Moslems are goat fucking turdskins wrote:

I -intolerance
S - slavery
L - Lies
A - and
M - murder

ISLAM
Is a lie

Mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord who cooked up a false
religion in order to supplement brutality as a means of bringing
people under subjection. It is a documented fact that most of his
religious revelations occurred after a series of epileptic fits, which
eventually killed him.


text:
Moslems are goat fucking turdskins wrote:

I'm amazed at your knowledge of dirty shitskin goat fucking mohammadans.

I -intolerance
S - slavery
L - Lies
A - and
M - murder

ISLAM
Is a lie

Mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord who cooked up a false
religion in order to supplement brutality as a means of bringing
people under subjection. It is a documented fact that most of his
religious revelations occurred after a series of epileptic fits, which
eventually killed him.


author: pislam

text:
Moslems are goat fucking turdskins wrote:

Dirty goat fucking mohammadans


author: Vincent Anderson

text:
Dirty moslems

"Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord who
cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a means of
bringing people under subjection" <[email]> wrote in
message news:[email]...
| pislam wrote:
| > Moslems are goat fucking turdskins wrote:
| >> Global outcry at Islamic Taliban's use of boy in filmed beheading
| >>
| >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,,2064910,00.html
| >>
| >>  Declan Walsh in Kabul
| >> Wednesday April 25, 2007
| >> The Guardian
| >>
| >> The Taliban's use of a young boy to behead a man drew international
| >> criticism yesterday, with Unicef condemning the incident as "a
| >> terrible example of how children can be used by adults to commit
| >> heinous crimes in times of conflict".
| >>
| >> In the videotape of the beheading the boy, who appears no older than
| >> 12, is seen standing over a blindfolded man, brandishing a long knife.
| >> Wearing a combat jacket, oversized sneakers and a white headband, he
| >> denounces the man in a high-pitched voice. "He is an American spy.
| >> This is his fate," he says.
| >>
| >> The baby-faced executioner kneels over the man and starts to slide the
| >> knife across his throat. Blood spurts and the cries of "Allahu Akbar"
| >> or "God is great" ring out. Then the boy triumphantly holds the
| >> severed head aloft.
| >>
| >> The gory execution was egregious even by the standards of the Taliban
| >> who have killed hundreds of civilians in suicide bombings and
| >> assassinations.
| >>
| >> Unicef noted that the use of children under 15 years of age during a
| >> conflict is a war crime under international law.
| >>
| >> The videotape identified the executed man as Ghulam Nabi, a Pakistani
| >> militant accused of betraying Mullah Akhtar Osmani, a Taliban
| >> commander killed by a Nato airstrike last December. Nabi hailed from
| >> Kili Faqiran, a village in western Baluchistan province in Pakistan
| >> where the Taliban plans and prepares attacks on British troops across
| >> the border in Helmand.
| >>
| >> Nabi's father, Ghulam Sahki, confirmed that his son was a committed
| >> Taliban fighter who had fought in Afghanistan and sheltered insurgent
| >> leaders inside their mud-walled home, about a two-hour drive from the
| >> border. But the grieving 70-year-old, who refused to watch the
| >> execution video, vowed to avenge his death.
| >>
| >> "The Taliban are not mujahedeen. They are not fighting for the cause
| >> of Islam," he told Associated Press. "If I got my hands on them I
| >> would kill them and even tear their flesh with my own teeth."
| >>
| >> The video soundtrack, a droning Islamic chant, praises the fugitive
| >> Taliban leader Mullah Muhammad Omar and Osama bin Laden. It also
| >> mentions Mullah Dadullah, a one-legged Taliban commander who was
| >> reportedly surrounded by Afghan troops and Nato troops in mountainous
| >> Uruzgan province yesterday.
| >>
| >> Executions of suspected collaborators have become common in Pakistan's
| >> tribal belt, where victims' bodies are found dumped on the roadside
| >> with a note warning against spying for America.
| >>
| >> But such killings are rarely filmed and never involve a child -
| >> something never seen even in Iraq. Sam Zarifi of Human Rights Watch
| >> said the Taliban must live up to claims that they respect basic rules
| >> of war. "This is truly shocking, without cultural context or
| >> historical precedent. The Taliban must condemn this act and make sure
| >> it never happens again," he said.
| >>
| >
| > Dirty goat fucking mohammadans
| >
| HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN  MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, fuck your
| mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the
| time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities
| at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to
| a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an
| indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, ............
| Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!
|
|
| Elif air ab tizak mohammad !!!!
|
| [email]  or [email] or
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
|
| ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
|
| --
|
| moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
| molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
|
|
|                                _
|                              /'_/)
|                            ,/_  /
|                           /    /
|                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
|                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
|                 ('(    ' /'   ')
|                  \      /
|                   '\'              _.7'
|                     \             (
|                       \            \
|
| Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
|
| [email]  or [email] or
| [email]


text:
Fucktard ragheads

"Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord who
cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a means of
bringing people under subjection" <[email]> wrote in
message news:[email]...
| pislam wrote:
| > Moslems are goat fucking turdskins wrote:
| >> Global outcry at Islamic Taliban's use of boy in filmed beheading
| >>
| >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,,2064910,00.html
| >>
| >>  Declan Walsh in Kabul
| >> Wednesday April 25, 2007
| >> The Guardian
| >>
| >> The Taliban's use of a young boy to behead a man drew international
| >> criticism yesterday, with Unicef condemning the incident as "a
| >> terrible example of how children can be used by adults to commit
| >> heinous crimes in times of conflict".
| >>
| >> In the videotape of the beheading the boy, who appears no older than
| >> 12, is seen standing over a blindfolded man, brandishing a long knife.
| >> Wearing a combat jacket, oversized sneakers and a white headband, he
| >> denounces the man in a high-pitched voice. "He is an American spy.
| >> This is his fate," he says.
| >>
| >> The baby-faced executioner kneels over the man and starts to slide the
| >> knife across his throat. Blood spurts and the cries of "Allahu Akbar"
| >> or "God is great" ring out. Then the boy triumphantly holds the
| >> severed head aloft.
| >>
| >> The gory execution was egregious even by the standards of the Taliban
| >> who have killed hundreds of civilians in suicide bombings and
| >> assassinations.
| >>
| >> Unicef noted that the use of children under 15 years of age during a
| >> conflict is a war crime under international law.
| >>
| >> The videotape identified the executed man as Ghulam Nabi, a Pakistani
| >> militant accused of betraying Mullah Akhtar Osmani, a Taliban
| >> commander killed by a Nato airstrike last December. Nabi hailed from
| >> Kili Faqiran, a village in western Baluchistan province in Pakistan
| >> where the Taliban plans and prepares attacks on British troops across
| >> the border in Helmand.
| >>
| >> Nabi's father, Ghulam Sahki, confirmed that his son was a committed
| >> Taliban fighter who had fought in Afghanistan and sheltered insurgent
| >> leaders inside their mud-walled home, about a two-hour drive from the
| >> border. But the grieving 70-year-old, who refused to watch the
| >> execution video, vowed to avenge his death.
| >>
| >> "The Taliban are not mujahedeen. They are not fighting for the cause
| >> of Islam," he told Associated Press. "If I got my hands on them I
| >> would kill them and even tear their flesh with my own teeth."
| >>
| >> The video soundtrack, a droning Islamic chant, praises the fugitive
| >> Taliban leader Mullah Muhammad Omar and Osama bin Laden. It also
| >> mentions Mullah Dadullah, a one-legged Taliban commander who was
| >> reportedly surrounded by Afghan troops and Nato troops in mountainous
| >> Uruzgan province yesterday.
| >>
| >> Executions of suspected collaborators have become common in Pakistan's
| >> tribal belt, where victims' bodies are found dumped on the roadside
| >> with a note warning against spying for America.
| >>
| >> But such killings are rarely filmed and never involve a child -
| >> something never seen even in Iraq. Sam Zarifi of Human Rights Watch
| >> said the Taliban must live up to claims that they respect basic rules
| >> of war. "This is truly shocking, without cultural context or
| >> historical precedent. The Taliban must condemn this act and make sure
| >> it never happens again," he said.
| >>
| >
| > Dirty goat fucking mohammadans
| >
| HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN  MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, fuck your
| mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the
| time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities
| at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to
| a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an
| indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, ............
| Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!
|
|
| Elif air ab tizak mohammad !!!!
|
| [email]  or [email] or
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
| [email]
|
| ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
|
| --
|
| moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
| molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
|
|
|                                _
|                              /'_/)
|                            ,/_  /
|                           /    /
|                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
|                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
|                 ('(    ' /'   ')
|                  \      /
|                   '\'              _.7'
|                     \             (
|                       \            \
|
| Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
|
| [email]  or [email] or
| [email]


text:
Anti-Islam posters just can't take it anymore! They know that Islam growing
fast in America and Europe. In Africa too.... So they became desperate

Muslims should never come down to anti-Islam posters level. We are not like
them, nor do we ever want to be like them. We are Muslims, we are extremely
proud of it

In The Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His
Messenger

They want to blow out the Light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah
perfecting His Light no matter how much the disbeliever hate it.

(Qur'an 61:8)

Anti-Islam posters are busy spewing LIES, HATE, BIGOTRY and PREJUDICE
against Muslims and Islam.

Dealing with the dregs of humanity anti-Islam trolls

Anti-Islam troll those who continuously posting off topic and hate- filled,
divisive rubbish on board. They have something in common, they post
inflammatory, inaccurate, abusive, obscene, profane and racially offensive
material. I would like to outline some basics of how to deal with anti-Islam
trolls?

Generally speaking, ignore the flame-bait!!

Do not feed the animals, do not feed the anti-Islam Trolls. Generally
speaking, all of these filthy messages should be ignored, and left to expire
from the news feed. Anti-Islam trolls who post articles of this nature are
out looking for trouble and trying to create it.

They are morally bankrupt, rude and hostile you don't need to sink to their
low level of immorality and filth.

If you do feel the need to write something to them, respond in private
e-mail to them - despite the facts that they posts via invalid or stolen
emails- Otherwise, please leave matters to the experienced posters. They've
had to deal with these situations many times before
and know what route to take.

If we don't follow these guidelines, we would all descend into anarchy, and
the whole point of the group would be lost.

Having said all that, I believe, Islam had faced 1400 years of attacks from
extreme religious people of other faiths. It not only survived, it actually
became the fastest growing religion of the world!

Warning there anti-Islam forgers and trolls amongst us, proceed with caution

Get The Holy Quran. It is absolutely FREE

http://www.freequran.org/

Useful links

http://cair.com/default.asp

www.islamonline.net

http://www.muslimheritage.com/Default.aspx

http://www.studying-islam.org/index.aspx

Notice that anti-Islam trolls are busy trying to cheat us !!


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Crack addicts everywhere!

text:
"oliver.thornton" wrote:

Well, they should have gotten bigger guns then.

Um, aren't you British? Ever here of Imperialism?! Game, set, match point.

-Fett


author: Snarky

subject: Re: Crack addicts everywhere!

text:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:01:58 GMT, allegedly, while I was wasting my
flonking time in rec.arts.drwho, Eris Kallisti Discordia spoke to me
through [email]:

They _did_. However, the US Gov't. had a larger supply of 'em -- and
of soldiers. You (your nation) won as much land as you did through
treachery, butchery, and a bloody-minded determination to take all the
land you could. Ares would approve.


author: Optional Identity

subject: Re: Crack addicts everywhere!

text:
According to the old (pre-meow) calendar, on Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:01:58
GMT, the Troll [email] attempted to push back the
boundaries of post-contemporary UPA by poasting this in
alt.usenet.kooks :

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the right to bear arms designed to
allow the citizens to destroy a corrupt or totalitarian government? So
there needs to be an amendment for the right to bear nukes, or
something, because there is no way a militia can stand a chance
against the army, these days. In fact the only way you can put down a
totalitarian state now, is if you can persuade the army not to attack
the people. A tough call. Soldiers are trained to obey orders.
Although I do think that if it came to that, the US military machine
would *not* kill innocent civilians, because they were ordered to. But
then I never saw the shit that has gone down in the last 50 years or
so. Kent State for instance.

OK idiot, I am an Australian, a country that has yet to become
imperial, genocidal yes, in the past, but never imperial, since
leaving the empire. And the overt genocide stopped as soon as we got
technical independence.

My point? I am not personally responsible for this, nor is the guy you
are trying to defeat, responsible for past British imperialism. His
points do bear thinking on, if you are a true American Patriot. I
suspect your form of patriotism, is the one Ambrose Bierce called the
*first* refuge of the scoundrel.

HTH, Really I *do* HTH, the world, and the US.

The theoretical ideals of the USA are laudable, the practice, less so.


subject: Re: Crack addicts everywhere!

text:
Optional Identity wrote:

That and to protect oneself.

Sure we would. First of all, the sheer numbers. Second of all, you think the whole
army would stay loyal? Not gonna happen.

What the hell are you talking about, jackass?! You have NO CLUE what I was talking
about. That other jakcass Nucleus was talking shit about the US when I was I
pointing out his hypocrisy being that England's Imperalistic actions were far worse
than anything the US ever did. Try and pay attention.

No shit, sherlock, but he's acting as though those actions never happened.

Your patriotism is one Stone Cold Steve Austin called that of a "jackass."

True, but that's true of all ideals.

-Fett


subject: Moderators

text:
This group is "newusers."  My question is legitimate.  How do I get in
touch with Microsoft?  I have spent six hours on their site and just get
a run around.  Someone must know how to get a question answered by
microsoft.


author: Thor Kottelin

subject: How do I get in touch with Microsoft? (was: Moderators)

text:
[email] wrote:

If it's a support question, please see
<URL:http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx>. The contact details
obviously differ between countries.

Thor


author: Ann Knight

subject: Re: Moderators

text:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 17:16:34 UTC, [email] wrote:

 Actually it's news.newusers.questions . The 'news' prefix refers to
Usenet.

 I don't believe anyone suggested it wasn't; it's just that it's
off-topic for this newsgroup. Aside from that, people gave you
suggestions and pointers on where to get your question answered.

 This newsgroup has no affiliation with Microsoft or any other
company.


author: Ken Hollis

subject: - Alt.syntax.tactical FAQ (1/1) - Dealing with Trolls Crossposting and Flames Rev 20010624

text:
Archive-name: net-abuse-faq/troll-faq
Posting-Frequency: monthly
Last-modified: 20010624
URL: http://ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html

Greetings and Salutations:

This FAQ is about crossposts, troll and flames, and what to do about
them.

Table of contents to this FAQ:

   o   Introduction
          o Introducing the alt.syntax.tactical group
   o   Defining troll, flames and crossposts
   o   What to do
          o E-Mailing
          o Killfiles
   o   A description of the alt.syntax.tactical crew (and lesser
trolls)
   o   The alt.syntax.tactical FAQ - Know your opponents

Introduction
============================================
Please feel free to repost this, e-mail it, put this FAQ on CD's or
any other media you can think of.

The latest & greatest version of this FAQ will be found at one of the
following:
http://ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html
(or http://digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html )
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/alt.syntax.tactical/
Or *nicely* HTML'ed at:
http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/net-abuse-faq/troll-faq.html
  or
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq/troll-faq/

PLEASE email follow-ups, additions / changes to [email],
My news source is OK, but I sometimes miss items.

http://it.geocities.com/roccopapaleo/faq/italiano/alt.syntax.tactical.
trad.txt - Italian Translation

Translate from/to English French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian
(etc.)
http://babel.altavista.com/translate.dyn
  or
English to French:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=en&u=http://ddi.digital
.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html
English to German:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=en&u=http://ddi.digital
.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html
English to Italian:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=it&sl=en&u=http://ddi.digital
.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html
English to Spanish:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=en&u=http://ddi.digital
.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html

Introducing the alt.syntax.tactical group
============================================
The alt.syntax.tactical crew (of which I am definitely not a member)
decides every now and then to start a colossal crosspost / flame war.
One of their attacks started trolling by crossposting between
alt.smokers, can.talk.smoking, alt.support.non-smokers, asthma and SCI
groups.  The trollers would take an original post from alt.smokers,
pass it thru a anonymous remailer (with the original e-mail name
intact) and repost it to all of the above groups.  This (as you can
guess) started a massive flame war with the original (innocent) poster
getting in trouble for the crosspost that they never made.  It
migrated to rec.pets.cats and beyond, but the lines are ever changing.
It is rumored that the alt.syntax.tactical crew communicates through a
listserver, planning their next attack thru the back channels.
Wouldn't want the plans posted out in the open, now would we :-).

Jonathan tells us that while alt.tasteless (FAQ
http://www.aracnet.com/~jaydog/index2.html - WARNING - there is a
reason why it is called alt.tasteless) claims to have been responsible
for the rec.pets.cats war, it was really the first unofficial ast
invasion. Anyhow, just remember, it was all in good fun and we never
meant to do more than rile up a few people who took things a bit too
seriously.

Michael tells us that the a.s.t. crew definitely DID NOT have their
origins in the alt.shenanigans newsgroup.  There have been several
jokes played upon newsgroups which were planned in alt.shenanigans and
its associated mailing list, but none of them have been anything like
a.s.t.  They've all been harmless, in fun, and have caused no real
damage.

The old alt.syntax.tactical crew as described by Lee Jackson
Beauregard ( http://www.smart.net/~rchason/ ) :
http://ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/tactical.txt

The MEOW brigade is essentially the same animal as the
alt.syntax.tactical brigade, just a different section of that same
family tree that doesn't branch.  Not as bright either.  For a story
on MEOWs, look at http://ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/meow.txt ... This is
also a perfect example of a MEOW post ... a reply with all the
previous text and no additional content.  The "meow-meow's" say "meow"
because, at the moment they came across alt.fan.karl-malden.nose there
was a thread about, of all things, Henrietta Pussycat from Mr. Rogers'
Neighborhood.  She, as you may recall, speaks like this:
"Meow meow go to bed meow? Meow very tired meow."

As a side note, I do have to admit that a few of the meowers *are*
involved in fighting spam (Unsolicited Commercial E-Mail) and do make
worthwile / good contributions to the news.admin.net-abuse group but I
suspect that they think the rules are for everyone else, and do not
apply to meowers.

The Meower's version, by The 2-Belo ( [email] ) is located at
:
http://afk-mn.eist.co.jp/meow.html
  Or look at http://extra.newsguy.com/~shpxurnq/ or
http://extra.newsguy.com/~shpxurnq/archive/raoul15.html

These children are a version of Internet vandals.  They mostly cause
trouble.  There are many ways that they attack.  All of the methods
are very simple (remember the abilities of the people we are dealing
with here).  They use open NNTP servers, anonymous remailers, list
servers, mail to news gateways,  or a program that has as part of the
Path : ...!gergs_bane.org!anon.  Many times they pick "real looking"
e-mail addresses so that someone who has gotten them mad before will
get in trouble.  Clue : Don't mailbomb the e-mail or postmaster of the
site listed in the e-mail, they are probably innocent and all that
will accomplish is getting you in trouble.

While these children may see this as a harmless prank, the end result
is that they censor the regular readers of the target group by
overwhelming the group with off topic messages.

Then there are some who are accused of being trollers yet do not
agree.  They argue that they are only having a discussion.  They call
it "sarcasm" "irony" or witty banter.  There are many versions of this
kind of person, they argue and cause an uproar and don't understand
the uproar they cause.  Others may not have understood their intention
and both sides may have gotten a little too caught up in the
discussion.  It is possible to try and help these people understand
the uproar they cause using e-mail.  Sometimes the cause is hopeless.

As always an honorable mention must be given to Archimedes Plutonium,
see http://www.archimedesplutonium.com/ (I will let Archimedes speak
for himself).

Bottom line is that every news group at one time or another has a
"troll".  Someone who everybody learns to love to hate.  The Troll
changes from news group to news group, from e-mail address to e-mail
address. Ever changing and nearly impossible to keep up with.  Below
you will find out how to deal with these trolls.

You can find a list of the latest trollers (or the troller trying to
get their victim in trouble) by taking a look at the newsgroups
alt.usenet.kooks, alt.syntax.tactical, alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,
alt.flame, or alt.bigfoot.

See how well *your* Kook passes The Kook Test:
http://www.deja.com/article/394773181

Finally, I must mention Gunter Bergman ( [email] ) did a
most excellent, almost Zippy the Pinhead-esq rendition of this FAQ :
http://www.deja.com/article/362393906

You too can join in the fun and Zippify a WWW page at :
http://www.metahtml.com/apps/zippy/welcome.mhtml

Defining troll, flames and crossposts
============================================

http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Internet/Usenet/Humor/Trol
ling/

http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm
With the following Troll definitions:
* Playtime (1 off trolling)
* Tactical (long term trolling by a single character)
* Strategic (long term trolling using multiple characters and
different waves)
* Domination (trolls who run mailing lists themselves)


author: Jennifer Parker

subject: Re: - Alt.syntax.tactical FAQ (1/1) - Dealing with Trolls Crossposting and Flames Rev 20010624

text:
help im getting multiple copies of email messages.  and dont know what is
causing it or how to fix it


author: Uncle Fester

subject: Re: Banning "erotic" picture groups?

text:
In article <[email]>,
Stephen W. Evans <[email]> wrote:

a few
othing
 when I
ct, I
ind

     So - in other words, Mr. Denninger was a "Nazi" even before
     voicing his protests about copyright problems?
     Makes sense to me.

             "Lessee...they can read this book.  I approve."
             "Nope.  Not this one.  Burn it."
             "Hmmm.  I'll just tear this page out." rrr-i-iiiipppp!

     Didn't he also say something about "wasting time"?
     In light of his actions above, I'd say his priorities are
     a little bit skewed or at the least, strange.
     Oh well.  One can "waste" in whatever manner one wants.
     It's all relative I guess.
     Depends on what garners the most attention.
     From my vantage point it's like the whining about copyrights
     around here is just another version of "Look at me, I'm
     someone important!"

     The only trouble with this (not a single copyright holder has
     posted anything) is that old proverb about squeaky wheels.
     Despite these people, that have yet to show any tangible evidence
     of a copyright holder objecting to these "infringements", they
     could possibly have an effect if we persist in engaging them in
     this debate.  In other words, stop debating the issue with them.
     Every response (even this one, to my dismay) is going to engender
     further "noise".

     Ignore them, and they will be lost in all the rest of the
     miniscule flotsam and jetsam of the net.

     Paying attention to them by reciprocating will do nothing but
     increase their "relative mass" and their equivalent
     "attraction".

     Let's all do ourselves a favor and stop feeding these
     piranhas and treat them like the pariahs they should be instead.

     Uncle Fester


author: Jerry Ablan

subject: Re: Banning "erotic" picture groups?

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Uncle Fester) writes:

I would like to speak here on Karl's behalf, then a point against. Whether
Karl is a nazi or not is none of your concern. He has a right to voice his
opinion, and also has the right to not open his system up to legal hassle.
It's not good business practice and I respect that.

On the other hand, there is a bbs in Chicago call Windy City. Windy City buy
porno mags (big $20.00 glossy types) and scans all the photos and sells them.
Well they don't sell them, but they charge a fee for you to download files and
they're scans are available for download only after you've paid, therefore
they basically sell them. My point is, that I don't see Puritan, Prude,
Raunch-O-Rama, Trashy Ladies, etc. (these are glossy porno mags folks) coming
and bringing the hassle down on Windy City. Why not? Why aren't these huge
mega-corp porno mags pissing on little Windy City bbs for copyright violation?
If what Karl says is true, that copyright violations are $100k a pop, and I
know I've downloaded at least 100 GIFs from Windy City that I actually have
the magazine that it was scanned from, why then isn't Puritan suing the *shit*
out of them? That's 100 x $100k, or $10,000,000.00. Shit, I'd sue for $10 mil.

Anyway, my point is, why have no mag (that I am aware of) publishers gone
after these BBSes for scanning their photos?

Also, it seems there is alot of other copyright violating posting elsewhere on
the net and it angers me that all the hype is at apbe. This is flagrant
prudism. Pick they whole net, not just one group cuz you don't think it's
right or not moral or whatever.

-- Munster


author: Karl Denninger

subject: Re: Banning "erotic" picture groups?

text:
In article <[email]>,
Jerry Ablan <[email]> wrote:

There are several possible reasons for this, two of which are:

1)	They've LICENSED the right to reproduce the pictures.
2)	The mags don't know about Windy City.  Yet.

If and when they DO figure it out, Windy City's owners are likely to be
looking at a criminal felony copyright violation charge.  It will be REAL
ugly.

Which is why, eventually, they <will> sue.  Its a question of timing and the
best bang for the buck, as is usually the case with legal things.

They did.  A place out east got burned to the tune of $1+E05 (that's hundreds
of thousands of bucks) for ripping off scans.  Brad Templeton has posted the
cite.

The difference is one in degree.  There is occasionally a nasty post here
and there in the other groups.  In abpe its the order of the day, and that
makes it a different class of problem.

Further, the admins on the net not only <tolerate> but <assist> in this!  If
the admins refused to tolerate it then accounts would get yanked and people
would be facing the music.   That's not happening, and the only reason I can
see that it isn't is that admins, by and large, don't mind.

That's a sad statement on the level our ethics have sunk to in this country.

I'm sure some of the refusal is prudism.  On the other hand, the best way to
expose the hypocrites is the clean up the group and see how many people
re-enable it.


author: Brad Templeton

subject: Re: Banning "erotic" picture groups?

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Jerry Ablan) writes:

Some points:

a) They have, when it was worth it.  Playboy Enterprises extracted $500,000
(Yes, 5 x 10^5 dollars) from a notorious BBS called Event Horizons that
not only blatantly stole playmate photos but tried to pretend they owned
them and acted in defiance of Playboy.

The most extreme case -- and of course you go after the most extreme cases
first, and the ones you can recover damages from.

b) You live in the BBS world.  These people are not BBSers.  They are
magazine publishers.   They probably don't even know what a BBS is, or
how to find one.  Most people in the world not on the net have no idea
what's going on on the nets, or they didn't until Al Gore came along.

c) Most BBSs are small, fly-by-night operations whom it is not profitable
to sue.   Many USENET sites are large organizations whom it is very
profitable to sue with names in the Fortune 500 or names like "The University
of XXXX"   (Though there are some legal precedents that protect state
universities here, but they are no excuse.)


author: Jerome Kaidor

subject: Local connect to INN in server mode?

text:
Hello,

   I just got INN working on my local machine.  Without a source of
external articles, it's not much use, though.  So I got a couple of
packages that promise to get articles out of my local ISP.  "Suck", and
"Gulp".

   It seems that both of these packages require an NNTP connection that
can do "server mode".  INN uses nnrpd to monitor TCP port 119, and nnrpd
only does "reader mode".

   Is there a way to tell INN to listen on a second port "itself", without
using nnrpd?  I tried adding a peer to innfeed.conf, but that didn't do
anything.  I'm imagining that if INN listened on a port itself, it would
do server mode, right?

   Thanks,

                      - Jerry Kaidor ( [email] )


author: Frank Slootweg

subject: Re: Local connect to INN in server mode?

text:
Jerome Kaidor <[email]> wrote:
[deleted]

  I don't know about gulp, but suck does *not* require "server mode". It
was designed to do exactly what you want. See the sample scripts in
suck's "sample" directory. In my version, 3.9.2, it is called
"get.news.innxmit". I think that in newer versions it is called slightly
differently, but still with "inn" in the name.


text:
In news.software.nntp, <[email]> (Jerome Kaidor) wrote:

  at rc.news.
  -WHAT=${INNDSTART}
  +WHAT="${INNDSTART} -P433"

  and you need to modify suck_config.h as following.
  -#define LOCAL_PORT 119         /* port to talk to on local host */
  +#define LOCAL_PORT 433         /* port to talk to on local host */


author: Franz Georg Köhler

text:
* quoting [Jerome Kaidor <[email]>]

You're looking for incoming.conf .


author: Russ Allbery

text:
Jerome Kaidor <[email]> writes:

That's not a normal configuration of INN.

Yes, following the standard INN installation procedure will cause innd to
listen on port 119 and hand reading connections off to nnrpd while
handling feed connections internally.


text:
In article <9o9pg7$a09$[email]>,
Frank Slootweg  <[email]> wrote:

*** Suck 4.2.5 likes to batch up everything it receives in
a bunch of disk files.  One file per article, plus a batch file.  Then you
call innxmit with the batch file that suck created.  With the
older method, you would pipe suck's output to another program called
"lpost".

   Now lpost is not compiled or installed by default,and is included "only
for legacy purposes", and even its man page says not to use it, because it's
not very efficient.

                   - Jerry Kaidor ( [email] )


text:
In article <9o8lfu$aos$[email]>,
Franz Georg =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hler?=  <[email]> wrote:
*** It didn't do it.  I added :

peer suckin {
   hostname: "localhost, 127.0.0.1"
   port: 7575
}

...to incoming.conf, and it made no difference.

              - Jerry Kaidor ( [email] )


text:
In article <[email]>,
Russ Allbery  <[email]> wrote:
*** How does it know the difference between a reader and a feed?   Seems to
me that one tcp connect ( from localhost on port 119 ) looks much like
another, until the connecting process ( or person ) starts sending text.

( use the source, Luke.... )

   In rc.c, I find :
------- snip ----------------------------
    /* See if it's one of our servers. */
    for (name = NULL, rp = RCpeerlist, i = RCnpeerlist; --i >= 0; rp++)
        if (rp->Address.s_addr == remote.sin_addr.s_addr) {
            name = rp->Name;
            break;
        }

    /* If not a server, and not allowing anyone, hand him off unless
       not spawning nnrpd in which case we return an error. */
----------- endsnip ---------------------

...sounds pretty much like the behavior I described.  How can it know the
difference?  Although I think I can see how to make my thing work - just
add a test for the socket # to the loop where it's looking for a peer.  But
that would be a hack....  I'm sure it works as you say, I just don't
understand how.

                                  - Jerry Kaidor


text:
Jerome Kaidor <[email]> wrote:

  Sigh! Have you *checked* the scripts I referred to? I don't think so.

  Suck *can* do that (use innxmit) but the supplied scripts do *not* do
that (because, as you found, in most cases it is the wrong thing to do).
They let *suck* do the posting to the local server (using "mode
reader"). For *that* reason lpost is obsolete (like you say).

  So please RTFS. If needed, I can post the (3.9.2) script. AFAIK, that
can not handle the *remote* posting when the local server uses
non-tradspool, but at least it shows you how to do the sucking and local
posting.


author: Jeffrey M. Vinocur

text:
In article <tmUp7.24195$[email]>,
Jerome Kaidor <[email]> wrote:

Umm, it looks for the IP in incoming.conf, in which you've
specified all incoming feeds.


author: Jerry Kaidor

text:
"Frank Slootweg" <[email]> wrote in message
news:9oc61i$ir3$[email]...
and
that
nnrpd
you
"only
it's
*** Could be, Frank.  There are a _LOT_ of scripts in the world.  A _LOT_ of
FAQ's.
A LOT of source.  a LOT of packages, a LOT of software interacting with
other
software in a LOT of ways.   Any rumours of my own infallibility are vastly
exaggerated.
But there is no need to get snippy.  I especially didn't appreciate the "F"
in RTFS.

   That being said, I got it working!    I started with a script that I
found in the google
USENET archive.   It's a few years old, so it uses INNXMIT.   It turns out
that my main
problem was an old Inews that was installed in /usr/bin, which apparently
was not issuing
the "mode reader" command.

                                                   - Jerry Kaidor (
[email] )


text:
In article <9o947j$fgi$[email]>,
Jeffrey M. Vinocur <[email]> wrote:
*** But in this case, I want to hook a newsreader is at the same IP address
as the streamer ( innxmit )!

   Well, I suppose I could make it work by just not reading News on this
particular machine.

                                       - Jerry Kaidor


text:
Jerry Kaidor <[email]> wrote:

  Jerry, the script I mentioned is *supplied with* suck. It is in suck's
"sample" directory, and I *said so*. So there just is no question of "a
LOT of <whatever>", but just one script, 'in front of you'. I can
understand that you think I was snippy and that the "F" is unjustified,
but I hope that you also realize that you needlessly wasted my time.

  I am glad for you that your problem is solved. I still advise you to
have another look at the mentioned script. If you use that, then you
will have a 'standard' (i.e. provided by the author and used by many)
setup and it will be easier for people to help you with any problems
which you might have.

  If you have more questions/problems, then please be very specific
about which operation and between which components I.e. for example if
you have problem posting, then specify posting how and from where to
where. IMO, your original posting was not very clear in this respect
(for example: "require an NNTP connection that can do "server mode"",
i.e. which operation (sucking or posting) and from where to where?).


text:
In article <ifVp7.24201$[email]>,
Jerome Kaidor <[email]> wrote:

Then the reader will connect, get the INN welcome, send the
"mode reader" command, and get the nnrpd welcome.

Try it.


text:
In article <9o9aon$fgi$[email]>,
Jeffrey M. Vinocur <[email]> wrote:
*** So what sort of misconfiguration might result in getting ONLY the nnrpd
welcome?

                      - Jerry Kaidor ( [email] )


author: Andrew Gierth

text:
Jerome> *** So what sort of misconfiguration might result in getting
 Jerome> ONLY the nnrpd welcome?

Failing to list localhost in the incoming.conf, or failing to reload
incoming.conf after adding it.

This is assuming you're running the standard configuration of innd on
port 119, and not using daemon-mode nnrpd or similar.


author: James W Anderson

subject: Google Docs pages set up for spamming, an example.

text:
Here's the body of one I got today.  Full LART posted in sightings
much earlier today.

I was looking at your post and I think that we can be as one.
I am pretty glrl. You can see my picture at
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dthzzf7_5g5rqh9hp

Any way to knock these out quickly?


author: Son of Serpent Esq

subject: Re: Google Docs pages set up for spamming, an example.

text:
SneakyP wrote:

I do have to give them credit for how they filter spam in gmail. I
mean there's tons of spam coming in but it mostly gets sent to the
spam folder. Actually, almost all of it; which is quite the magical
trick when you think about it. The spammers are the real problem and
this is all about money. It always is. Interesting to think about
certain big outfits getting kickbacks from spammers; has anything
like that ever been in the mainstream media, press, whatever? I mean
did they catch any of those bastards yet? Is Dan Brown's next book
going to be about that Albino running a global spam ring?


text:
Anony Mouse wrote:

LOL! You should have asked them how many they actually process.

Resources? Are you serious; they don't have the resources? I find that
exquisitely hard to believe.

Or maybe it would cut into their resources too much?


author: Thane

text:
On Feb 24, 5:05 pm, "Rev. Beergoggles" <[email]>
wrote:

Greetings Rev. This first suggestion is an intriguing idea in itself.
Could it be a script that follows the google docs redirector, and
captures the addy'd site URL, then looks up URIBL for a match.
Anything that hits, goes into a "DO FIRST" bucket at google abuse? If
this works, it's something that Google can do quickly and focus their
(limited) resources on the problem sites. Why wait for a complaint,
just set up a task to scan all live docs pages. Having said this it
could be probably be defeated by using images in the docs link,
however .... It might slow the cows down for a while.

Thane


text:
On Feb 24, 8:12 pm, Anony Mouse <[email]> wrote:

To answer you both, my idea was not to do Google's work for them, but
I think it would be (relatively) easy for Google to (continue to do no
evil) and do as I said and clean their docs pages. However Anonymous
has a good point and that is they may not be motivated to remove
paying customers (not sure if this is the right word, ah.. substitute
paying spammers).

Thane


author: Anony Mouse

text:
James W Anderson wrote:
 From my experience not likely.

All I can do is to point out these things to Vinton Cerf at google in an
attempt to inform him.

The simple fact of the matter is that google can not stop spammers
targeting google.

All part of the money go round that is spam.


text:
Anony Mouse wrote:

Not sure I'm grasping this "can not stop spammers" deal; did you
mean to say they will not stop spammers?