author: Jim Haynes

subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
In article <[email]>,
John Williams <[email]> wrote:

I don't see any reason for this posting, unless it is simply a troll.

If you like Windows and don't like Linux we don't care.  Whatever floats
your boat...  I doubt you will ever be forced to buy a computer with
Linux pre-installed and have to install Windows on it yourself.

If you are trying to convert Linux users to Windows, I hope Microsoft
is paying you well for your efforts.  Or promising you a nice reward
in the hereafter.  Maybe you should start your own newsgroup,
comp.os.ex-linux-users-for-win-xp.

If you are trying to bring the good news about Windows to people who
might have missed it, don't you think Microsoft's advertising efforts
are sufficient?


author: eric the brave

subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
On 6 Feb 2002 10:17:35 -0800, [email] (John
Williams) wrote:

You are 3 years old and I claim my thre tellytubies...

I had to go back to WinME. some of my games don't work on XP.

Oh and......

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author: Robert M. Taylor, Jr.

subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
John Williams wrote:

==========================Crap Deleted=============================

Who is this pecker-wood?


author: Chris Barnes

subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
"John Williams" <[email]> wrote

Each to his own.  I reverted my WinXP theme to "classic".
Beauty in the eye of the beholder and all that.

Since Linux isn't marketed for the home-user, do you have a point here,
or are you just frothing?

ROTFL.
Hear this well - I am NOT a "Windows guy" and I am NOT a "Linux guy".  I
use both and like both *for what they are intended to do*.

Between the 2, my Windows machines crash a *whole* lot more than my
Linux machines (mostly due to the abundant virii directed at Win over
Linux).

Really?
1) Try running WinXP on a 90mHz P-1 w/ 32 megs of memory.  Linux seems
to run on it just fine.

2) WinXP is no panacea for hw compatibility.  Case in point - I had to
get a new card reader for my digital camera - seems the old old didn't
have drivers and whenever I plugged it in, WinXP (yes, the whole system)
came to a screetching halt.

Ie. you're a flame bait turd.

hello killfile.


author: Michael Heiming

subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
John Williams([email] -
<[email]>) wrote at Wednesday
06 February 2002 19:17:
[crap]

Read this somewhere else, face it, we like Linux, if you don't, your
problem.

For proper ng usage, these URL should be helpfull:

http://tgos.org/newbie/index2.html
http://livinginternet.com/u/ua.htm

"ESR's Howto ask smart questions":
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Michael Heiming


author: Stef

subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
My advice keep forking $$$ every 6 months or so for your Windows and
don't forget to keep your anti-virus up to date.

[email] (John Williams) wrote in message news:<[email]>...


author: Axel Skrodzki

subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
John Williams wrote:

Yes, you got it =)
Really good operating systems require really good specalists.
That's why we like it 8)

cheers, Axel


author: Yan Seiner

subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
Chuckles turning to guffaws.....

I run an OLD version of RedHat that's known to be buggy on my home
system.   It stays up for weeks at a time.  Try that in Windows (any
Windows).    It runs 3 (yes three) GUI sessions. Try that in windows.

Now set one up in English, one in Japanese, and one in Czech.

Last time I looked, that needs 3 completely different installs of
Windows, typically on three different computers, since Windows lacks any
meaningful boot manager.  With three different $$$$ licenses.

With a reboot required to change sessions.  So when my wife wants to
email to her family in Japanese, instead of Alt-Ctrl-F8 we'd have to
reboot and loose all those cool games my kid has open in her session.
Not to mention all those root sessions that I have open to the office
network and the browser I have open on the Czech newspapers.

Go away troll.  I used Windows and it sucks.  Now I run it as an app
under linux and reboots only take a click of the mouse and I don't lose
any of those other sessions.

--Yan


author: Steve Martin

subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
I suspect that he's actually a Microsoft employee, since he has a
(volatile) Hotmail account. He's the same guy who put out almost
exactly the same diatribe back on 9-3-2001 claiming that Win98 was
soooooo much better than Linux, even a lot of the comments are
phrased the same. He's a troll... ignore him.


author: Ralf Bader

subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
Sergei Rodionov wrote:

Yes, and this person did so in the "WinMe vs Linux" thread mentioned in his
posting. The present pile of crap is largely a regurgitated elaboration of
the previous one. It isn't worth any further comment.

--Ralf


author: Sergei Rodionov

subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
Bevan Coleman wrote:

Hmm.. I missed what they done with project it in past few months :) Except
its kind of workaround for xp.. :) I could even use my old Chroma to make
WinXP to be pretty but thats not the point :)

Eh? I have Platinum edition of desktop version for Summit2.0 and its been
around 90$ as i recall it. And no S&H since its downloadable.

Anyway - as of NVidia - here you right they dont really care for those, and
neither do i, using ATI :) Being not hardcore 3D gamer, but spending most
of time doing programming in 2D - it surely beats quality of Nvidia raw
perfomance chips :)

But of course you correct at point that XP surely supports most of known
chips in terms of graphics.

Hmm.. Now thats never happened to me even with XFree86 nor on NVidia(i have
GEForceMX2 on P4) or ATI Radeon (VE on Athlon), while i am using Logitech's
cordless desktop doodaah with both keyboard and mice running in full blown
USB mode :) Heard from other ppl, but never experienced myself :)

Yep.. :) Most of problems is b/c of poor quality of XFree code. :(
Its way too glitchy.

Arf :) I actually own few quite good Loki's titles.. Its a shame they gone
out of business :(

Bottom line is - it wouldnt make any good to drop shadows on other OS
anyway.. i mean heck - let them both grew up, and may we use the ones that
most suitable for us :)

Cheers,
Sergei


author: Moritz Franosch

subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
"Bevan Coleman" <[email]> writes:

I don't quite understand this "X is stable or not" debate.

Any X program can grab the mouse and keyboard totally (and this is
intended and documented behaviour, is this correct?), so a local user
isn't able to kill any program with the help of his window manager
(Ctrl-Alt-Esc in KDE) nor switch to a virtual console (Ctrl-Alt-F2),
nor terminate X (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace).

Whether or not it is still possible to login remotely (it should be)
is another thing. But I think when one says "X/Windows locked totally" he
means there was no way to terminate X/Windows with local keyboard or
mouse usage. And (if what I said above is correct) this is _intended_
(!?) behaviour (Also in Windows? Or is there a reserved key
combination that can't be grabbed by any program?).

Moritz


subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
Moritz Franosch wrote:

it is explicitly discouraged behaviour. It may be found useful to keep
users from anything but logging in on the display manager screen, but
normally server grabbing should be avoided.

The SysRq key is reacted upon by the kernel himself. It is available if
/proc/sys/kernel/sysrq contains the value 1, and then the keycombo
Alt-SysRq=PrintScreen-k will for example kill all processes on the current
virtual console, including an unresponsive X server.

--Ralf


subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
Ralf Bader <[email]> writes:

Yes. But should CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ be really enabled for a kernel
intended to be used by a normal user? Probably not, as even rebooting
is disallowed for normal users by default on most Linux/Unix
systems. Moreover, SysRq is no solution that can compete with Windows
NT/2000/XP Ctrl-Alt-Entf (What does this key combination do exactly?),
because SysRq does not allow the user to kill the one program that has
grabbed the keyboard (killing the whole GUI is for most "desktop"
users just like rebooting because they loose all work in open
programs). To compete with Windows, there should be key combination
(that can't be catched by a user program but only by the kernel or the
X server) that starts a configurable X program and redirects mouse and
keyboard input to that program.

Moritz


author: John Thompson

subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
In article <[email]>, Moritz Franosch wrote:

If it's just a single app wedging the GUI, what's wrong with CNTRL-ALT-Fn
to a different virtual console and killing the app from there?  If you
really need the GUI pointy-clicky stuff I suppose you could "startx -- :1"
run gtop from the GUI and kill the app that way, but why bother when you
can do it from the console?  You could probably cobble up something that
parses ps for the user's processes add a little ncurses magic so they can
scroll through their processes and kill a selected process that way.  It
wouldn't surprise me if something like that already exists.


author: Måns Rullgård

subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
John Thompson <[email]> writes:

The problem is if some program has grabbed the keyboard so Ctrl-Alt-Fn
doesn't work. AFAIK in that case Alt-SysRq-R will set the keyboard to
normal (not raw) mode making vt switching possible. Then the offending
process can be killed, Ctrl-Alt-Fn back to X which will set keyboard
raw like it wants it.


subject: Re: Windows XP vs Linux

text:
[email] (Måns Rullgård) writes:

So the desired functionality already exists. It only has to be
adjusted so that it is usable by a normal "desktop" user. E.g. there
could be a kernel compile option such that Alt-SysRq does nothing but
switch to a configurable virtual console. Then distributors could
possibly make up something more user friendly like starting a little
ncurses "blue screen" program (top?) automatically. (There is a
problem: Does the kernel know which user has pressed Alt-SysRq?
Because the "blue screen" program should be started under the id of
that user.)

Moritz


author: Julian Melville

subject: FMPro - copying single to repeating fields

text:
Hi all. I've got a question relating to a database I've inherited and am
upgrading. It's a requisition file, containing info about orders, vendors
and such like. The existing file has a form with seven lines, each of
which is a separate field. As you can imagine, this makes things like
finds very difficult.

The new version retains the 7-line idea, but with all 7 in a repeating
field, which is working very well. What I now need to do is to copy the
information from the individual fields into the single repeating field,
for every record in the database. (Note - this is single to repeating, not
the other way round, I _know_ how to do that!!)

I hereby admit I've suffered a mental block about how to make this happen
gracefully - is the answer just to make a script that copies and pastes
the info from one field to the other, then moves to the next record and
calls itself?? Or is there a better way?

Thanks in advance,

Julian.

____________________________________________________________________
Death before decaf!      [email]        Julian Melville

 Teaching Technology Group -- University of Waikato -- Hamilton, NZ


author: Robin A. Poirier

subject: Re: FMPro - copying single to repeating fields

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] wrote:

There is a product available through Elkhorn Press ($40 I think) called
Make Repeats that
I beleive does what you're looking for.  If you need more info, please let
me know.


author: Martin Trautmann

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] wrote:

My hack is doing this by a standard text processor, replacing some special
characters (e.g. " Carriage Return ;") by the line feed that you find in
the repeating fields of exported texts


text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] (Martin Trautmann) wrote:

Well, now I've solved the problem myself over the weekend with a Python
script to automate exactly what Martin suggested. It'll save me heaps of
time...

You give it a text file exported from FMPro, with the fields you want to
become repeated grouped together in order, and tell it which tabs you want
left in (i.e. I wanted three groups of seven fields converted into three
repeating fields, so I needed to keep the 7th and 14th tab characters and
replace all the others with ASCII 29, FileMaker's repeating field
separator). It produces an importable file with the repeating fields in.
If you keep the same found set between the import and the export it works
fine!

If anybody's interested in the script, mail me - I also have a Pascal
listing that works on a PC I muck around on at home, if that's any more
use...

Thanks to all for your help! (and to Guido van Rossum for writing Python...)

Julian.

____________________________________________________________________
Death before decaf!      [email]        Julian Melville

 Teaching Technology Group -- University of Waikato -- Hamilton, NZ


author: Mark

subject: Linux as a television video server?

text:
A client has a need for a video server to select clips and quickly put
them on air. They don't have the budget for a "professional" system,
and I know a PC-based approach would work in this case.

Which video cards support:

-TV-OUT in which video would play through ONLY the TV-OUT. The
standard linux text screen would be displaying a menu of available
clips.
-Doesn't glitch between playing videos.
-Uses S-video or component cabling (not composite).
-Is PAL.
-Implements overscanning properly.
-Uses a command-line-based player which can be called from a scripting
language (probably PERL).

Does such a beast exist for Linux?

-M


author: Thomas Gies

subject: Re: Linux as a television video server?

text:
"Mark" <[email]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[email]...
I'm using a nvidia card to view movies on television. There is a tool at
sourceforge that controls the TV-Out (nvtv I think).
For me this solution works, but for semiprofessional use, this is not
appropriate. There is a lack of stability (when using the wrong settings X
freezes) and the picture is not that clear.

For this job mplayer is perfect.

You should consider buying a simple vga to svhs converter (for me it would
be to expensive, but on the other...). This would make every videocard work.
You would simply make X work in 800x600, that's it.

Just my two cents.

Thomas


subject: Re: Linux as a television video server?

text:
"Thomas Gies" <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

I thought of this as well. However, the card would have to be
dual-display (or dual-cards). One display would run the usual Linux
console (not X), the other display would have the video routed through
it. This possible?

I know this is possible under windows because I do it all the time
when transfering videos to VHS cassette. However -- as you all know
;-) -- windows isn't stable enough for an application which needs to
be up 24/7.

Cheers,

Mark


author: Duke Robillard

subject: Re: Linux as a television video server?

text:
Mark wrote:

Why don't you want to run X on the other screen?  (I think "screen" is
the right X buzzword for what you have two of when you use a dual-head
video card with X.)

I know you can set up dual-head card under X and display different things
on the two screens...I've done that with a Matrox G450 dual-head.  I've
never tried to put a non-X console on one head and X on the other, though.

The X config stuff that RedHat runs built me a good, dual-head XFConfig-4
file, but here's into on how to do it by hand:

http://kuma.linuxboxen.org/Xinerama-HOWTO.html#s9

In a related question, if anyone has an info on how to get the TV Out
working on a nVIDIA MX 440 under XFree86 (and Mandrake 9.0, if that
matters), I'd love to hear about it.  :-)

Duke


subject: Re: Linux as a television video server?

text:
Duke Robillard <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Why make things more complicated than they need to be? The text screen
only needs to display what's cued to play, and the time-to-end of the
current clip. All video-clip selection is done through a web-interface
on another system. This system just receives requests and plays 'em.

Besides, maybe it's a fetish, but I think text screens are sexy. ;-)

Does Linux support dual-head consoles (ie: consoles on each dual-head
screen)?

How about using a video-out card -- can you have a console on the VGA
screen, and video playing through the video-out?

-Mark


author: Neill

subject: Re: Machine name themes - what do you use?

text:
In the past we have used the names of pop/rock groups in the past - e.g.
Aerosmith, Offspring etc.

We also called one "Spice Girls" but it kept going down on us...?


author: Dave Palmer

subject: blob? blotches? fuzzy? slide scanning

text:
Hi,
Not sure how to describe my issue.

I've a Nikon LS-2000. I am using Vuescan.
I've scanned over 700 slides of 35mm or 126 format

The slides are 30 years old.  They have been stored in slide trays and
in dark, comfortable temperatures.

A very few of the scanned images, less than 25, show blotches, or
blobs of color in the resulting scanned view.

Usually these appear on the face of the subject - sometimes as gray
shading around the eyesocket, sometimes as blemishes on the perimeter
of the facial image.

The slides look good to me.  But I am not a scanner and I don't have
Data's library of information.

So I need help.

I searched this newsgroup for blob and blotches and found nothing.

Had anyone else encountered this symptom?  How or what did you do to
fix it?

Any tips would be appreciated.

Dave Palmer


author: Ed Hamrick

subject: Re: blob? blotches? fuzzy? slide scanning

text:
"Dave Palmer" <[email]> wrote:

Make sure you aren't using "Input|Long exposure pass".  This can
result in strange artifacts sometimes.

Otherwise, it might be mould.  Try experimenting with
"Filter|Infrared clean" to see if this causes it to go away.

Regards,
Ed Hamrick


text:
"Ed Hamrick" <[email]> wrote in message news:<bpfk97$4a6$[email]>...

Ed,
Thanks for the tips.
I'm not using 'long exposure pass'
I am using infrared clean.

I posted a couple of samples.  Maybe these will help?
They are at:
www.theblackriver.net/s1.jpg
www.theblackriver.net/s2.jpg

Again any help will be appreciated...
Dave


author: Mac McDougald

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] says...

Are they Kodachrome?
If so,turn off IR Clean.

Mac


text:
Mac McDougald <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Mac,
They are Kodachrome.

I turned off IR Clean (light was the setting)
The results are fantastic.

You can see the difference at:
www.theblackriver.net/irfilt.jpg and
www.theblackriver.net/noirfilt.jpg

Sorry about the file size...

Mac, is it a rule to not use IR Filter with Kodachrome?
Where can I learn things like this?

Thanks for the help
Dave Palmer


text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] says...

In general, yes.

Right here, and you just did, eh? :-)
(works even less well on b/w silver-based film).

My pleasure.


author: Martin Johansen

subject: New-line characters and windows

text:
Does the windows API have any functions to handle/convert between different
newline characters??

e.g.

Unix: '\n'
Windows: '\r\n'
Mac: '\r'

I am programming in C.


author: navi

subject: Re: New-line characters and windows

text:
"Martin Johansen" <[email]> wrote in message
news:ZgRbc.4750$[email]...
| Does the windows API have any functions to handle/convert between
different
| newline characters??
|
| e.g.
|
| Unix: '\n'
| Windows: '\r\n'
| Mac: '\r'
|
| I am programming in C.
|

if you are working on windows: when working with files in text mode, C will
read \r\n and translate it as \n, and when you write C will translate one \n
to one \r\n. Similary on other OSes. If you want to disable that behavior,
you'll have to work with binary mode.

hope it helps.


author: Sten Westerback

subject: Re: New-line characters and windows

text:
"Martin Johansen" <[email]> wrote in message
news:ZgRbc.4750$[email]...
different

You could try MultiByteToWideChar() + WideCharToMultiByte()
with suitable code pages but i'm not sure if they do care about
the line end issue.

Opening file in text mode might be able to collapse these to \n
but the easiest way is to do it yourself. This is after all something
rather special purpose and only the conversion toWindows format
causes a bit headace as you have to allocate more memory for
your string.

I would make an function of your own that malloc's a string big
enough, copy string fragments between the line breaks (and resizes
the string to the actual mem needed). It could also count the number
of linebreaks before allocating the memory...

- Sten


author: [redacted]

subject: Groups as e-mail addresses

text:
I just installed my first Lotus Domino system, using 5.0.8.  It is
being used to replace our aging e-mail system.

On the old system, when we need another address such as support or
sales we setup a user called support or sales.  When trying to setup a
similar scenario on Domino I did see the field for forwarding e-mail
and played with that a bit, but instead used groups.  So now I have a
group called support that contains a member that is the useid where I
actually want the e-mail to be delivered.  Some of the groups do
contain multiple members, but most just have the single member.

My question is, is this okay?  Am I shooting myself in the foot doing
this?

Thanks


author: Mathias Bierl

subject: Re: Groups as e-mail addresses

text:
It is not the best way to do it, because if you need many of such addresses
you have to differ normal users from such only mail addresses.

The better way is to create mail-in database documents for that.
There you can set any notes database as recipient for this mails and there
is no id needed for it.

Ciao

Mathias
<[email]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[email]...


author: Tony Evans

subject: Re: Groups as e-mail addresses

text:
In comp.groupware.lotus-notes.admin, [email]
([email]) wrote:

Nope, that's one way of doing it.  The main issue is that people need to
talk to each other to make sure stuff they get is processed.  The other
option is to use mail-in databases, where you have a mail file, but no
associated ID file, and people can go in and manage the mail.


author: goose

subject: Re: Groups as e-mail addresses

text:
Nope this is correct,
This is helpfull to have a static name on the outside and you can change te
receipient on the inside.

grtz

Peter
<[email]> schreef in bericht
news:[email]...


author: David Zwiefelhofer

subject: Re: No One Knows How to Tell if Monitor is Sleeping?

text:
In article <[email]>, Peter S Lau
<[email]> wrote:

Hey, DMGetAVPowerState looks promising. I'll check it out.

Thanks,

Dave

__________________________________________________________________
DavidZ "put an at here" mailbag "and a dot here" com


author: vkd

subject: /var/spool/mail and NFS

text:
What are the issues in storing mail onto an NFS partition? Is that something
that works in a production environment?

Example:

Two smtp servers accepting mail and using /nfs/mailspool dir.
Third server mounting /nfs/mailspool and running IMAPD and POPD.

Would there be any problems associated with having NFS as the mailspool?

If so, are there any solutions or best practices examples?

Thanks


author: Jon

subject: Re: /var/spool/mail and NFS

text:
Yes it workls. I am not going to go in to security, 'cos others
already did. The upshot is 'BE VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY
VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY CAREFUL!'

That's the way it's done in most scalable arena's now. Whether or not
the FS is used over NFS is another matter. To share the
directory/naming structure between muultiple hosts you need to
seriously consider how you will manage the users., In order to
implement the names in a scalable fashion, you should use something
like:

/var/spool/MAILDIRS/[0-9][0-9]/[0-9][0-9]/groupidentifier/username/Maildir/

You definitely need to use maildirs with this. Try using courier IMAPd
& POP3d - keeps things simple if you use one source for different
components. For a local delivery agent I would recommend using
Maildrop (also from Courier). It supports maildirs natively, and is
significantly easier to write filters than procmail.

Plan your naming sturcture well, and in advance!!! The biggest problem
I see regularly is poorly planned usernaming practicies. With justa
couple of machines using /etc/passwd is possible, but not really
advisable. You have to ensure that the UIDs for new users are in synch
on both machines, otherwise you will get weird permission problems
from the POP3/IMAP/NFS issues. You should very seriously consider
virtual user hosting with NFS. My best suggestion is LDAP.

As the mailspool depends on your MTA. Normally this would only relate
to file locking,  hence the use of maildirs which store each message
ins a separate file.

See mine at http://f-mail.sourceforge.net/

It's the best I have come up with so far, but that does not mean it is
the best. It was actually designed for a maximum flexibility
environment with a couple of hundred machines doing various bits and
pieces. But that's another story ;-)

It all depends on what sort of scale you are pushing really.

Good luck.

Jon


author: Rich Teer

subject: Re: /var/spool/mail and NFS

text:
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, it was written:

I don't know about "much better"; it all depends on the implementation.

again, it depends on how it's set up.  IF the NFS traffic is
behind a firewall, the risks are a lot smaller.  And if you use
secure NFS, they're even smaller.  Using a dedicated staorage
network will minimise the latency.


author: Suresh Ramasubramanian

subject: Re: /var/spool/mail and NFS

text:
vkd [comp.mail.sendmail] <Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:18:39 GMT>:

Locking issues - these go away quite well if you use maildirs

Maxtor, Netapp or other fileserver boxes if you can afford them.  Preferably
netapp.

Oh, and remember to have something firewalling your nfs from the world - let
only your surrounding IPs (your MTAs and webmail servers and such, in the same
cluster) access NFS - or you'll find yourself 0wn3d very fast.

	-srs


author: hal

subject: Re: /var/spool/mail and NFS

text:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:18:39 GMT, wrote:

That would work, but you would have much better performance if you
used an external dual channel SCSI RAID array.

OK

Security and performance.  Security because NFS ain't.  Performance
because you add latency to the transaction to go out over the network.

Hal


subject: Re: /var/spool/mail and NFS

text:
<Jon> wrote in message news:3c3d9e53.533327834@212.35.34.213...
something
/var/spool/MAILDIRS/[0-9][0-9]/[0-9][0-9]/groupidentifier/username/Maildir/

Thanks. I am actually curious about the maildrop util. I am planning on
trying it out and seeing how it works. Having virtual users would be very
convenient instead of using the /etc/passwd. However, would it not be better
to move to cyrus then?

Also, if you are using maildrop in maildir form, does that then prevent you
from doing any kind of server side filtering? The page did list that moving
messages to folders is supported but stated that no client actually supports
this feature. Do you know if Courier-IMAP supports mail filtering in maildir
format?


author: David Magda

subject: Re: /var/spool/mail and NFS

text:
Suresh Ramasubramanian <[email]> writes:
[...]

You could also have these hosts be dual-homed. Since they are servers
you set them up so no one would be able to log into them (except
admin. staff through ssh (on the internal interface only)).


author: Stef Pritchard

subject: CIX Scripting

text:
I need some advise on where to find this software CIX32 and where I can get
some documentation to learn it.  Can anyone help?

Stef


subject: Re: CIX Scripting

text:
Sorry guys it's called Cixtart, get it on resourse kit.

"Stef Pritchard" <[email]> wrote in message
news:8th992$6rm$[email]...
get


author: Ayende Rahien

subject: Re: CIX Scripting

text:
"Stef Pritchard" <[email]> wrote in message
news:8ti19p$jh3$[email]...

I've just been to www.jsiinc.com, and it mentioned there 2k resource kit, I
went to MS, and apperantly I've to but 300$ set of books in order to get it.
Is there another (legal) way to get it? (I know they offer some tools on the
site, other than those_)


author: Mike

subject: Re: CIX Scripting

text:
"Ayende Rahien" <[email]> wrote in message
news:8tusma$73i$[email]...
I
it.
the
can

Lord, Stef, which web pages were you reading???

I have the Win2k Pro resource kit, Stef, and there's something called
kixtart, but nothing called cixtart. Assuming kixtart is what you want, I
can't see why you're talking about $300. MS sells the Win2k Pro resource kit
for around $70, and I bought mine from either Barnes and Noble or Amazon for
around $50. I seem to recall that the MS on-line store pointed me to several
on-line vendors who sold the kit for closer to $40.

It comes with lots of utilities, 1767 pages of printed documentation, and
complete on-line documentation.

Kixstart is included, and comes with a 104 page manual, covering all the
commands, installation, examples, a command reference, and error codes
(complete with explanations).

But here's the kicker, Stef: from Microsoft's web site, by searching for
kixtart, we find a link to http://kixtart.org/ . There we find the
following:

------------------------------

"KiXtart 95 is a logon script processor and/or enhanced batch language for
Windows NT and Windows 95 workstations in a Windows Networking environment.
The latest version (3.62) is of 29 november 1999 and can be downloaded here.
There's an alpha release available with GetIPInfo function and
array-assignment.
With it, you can conditionally display information, set environment
variables, start programs, connect to network drives, read or edit the
registry, and/or change the current drive and directory using a free format
'script language'.

KiXtart 95 was designed and developed by Ruud van Velsen of Microsoft
Benelux."

-------------------------------

There is also complete documentation, a bulletin board for support, and a
way to email the author.

But I still recommend the Resource Kit.

-- Mike --


author: Chris Evans

subject: Other News Servers Was Re. news.individual...

text:
Further to the few on topic postings:

Does anyone have any experience of how good f2s's news server is?
They are our ISP but the didn't offer it when we joined, so we have been
using news.individual.net which does have one downside, they don't permitted
moderated postings:-(

I use metronet at home, anyone venture an opinion on thier news server

Chris Evans


author: Brian Carroll

subject: Re: Other News Servers Was Re. news.individual...

text:
In article <[email]>, Chris
Evans <[email]> wrote:

It worked perfectly well for me for months, but contained a fair
amount of spam.  I changed to news.individual.net when I
discovered that the f2s news server (news.freedom2surf.net) is
not guaranteed to be supported nor is it shown on their server
status page http://www.Freedom2Support.net/status.php .  Take
care if you move from one to the other; their article numbers
were miles out of step the last time I did it.

Brian.


author: Frances

text:
[email] said...
Metronet contract to Supernews, who AFAIK have always had a
very good reputation.  They carry some groups that
individual.net don't carry, including free*. and (IIRC) some
binaries.  My rather vague memory tells me that it's usual to
have to pay to post through Supernews; however since MetroNet
have a contract the service is free to their customers.  All
of which adds up to one satisfied customer here.  That said,
I've also kept individual.net as my main news server, because
I've never had a moment's problem with them.  A tenner a year
isn't all that much, even for those of us who don't work for a
living.


author: Ray Dawson

text:
In article <[email]>,
   Brian Carroll <[email]> wrote:

I have both f2s and ind news servers set up to fetch in NewsHound. Some
messages come from one, some from the other. I don't get any duplicated
messages and having both seems to work fine. It's been this way for over
a year.

Maybe I should try f2s news only for a while.

Cheers,

Ray D


author: Harriet Bazley

text:
On 20 Feb 2005 as I do recall,
          Frances wrote:

[snip]

Without having looked at the site (because FreeUK's news service has
always been adequate enough)... it's a *lot*, e.g. infinitely large, if
you don't have a credit card. Because you don't have an income.   (Not
that this stops the CC companies sending me endless soliciations for
custom - I've sometimes wondered at which, if any, stage after I
applied they'd check that I was actually in a position to pay off the
'loan'....)

Which is why I don't use *any* paid-for services on the Internet,
however token the fee, and even if they don't demand payments in
dollars.


author: quattrocchi

text:
In article <[email]>,
   Sendu Bala <[email]> wrote:

I've moved to free.teranews now following individual's demise into
charging monthly. I haven't tested whether it allows posting to moderated
ngs yet, but thought that the USD4 one-off fee was small enough.

I was having so much intermittent trouble with my own ISPs newsfeed - more
failed connections than successful (1) - that I needed another source.

Brian

(1) from Newshound log, for eg:
26 Nov 14:30:25 140 Server host name is : (news.ww.co.nz)
26 Nov 14:30:25 140 Newgroup time '041126 011621'
26 Nov 14:30:25 140 Resolving
26 Nov 14:30:25 160 Connecting to server news.ww.co.nz (216.65.98.79)
26 Nov 14:30:25 140 Connection in progress
26 Nov 14:30:25 140 connect: socket is ready for reading, or error returned by select()
26 Nov 14:30:25 140 connect: socket has error : 0
26 Nov 14:30:25 140 Connection established
26 Nov 14:33:23 015 Warning : No data received from server - timed out!


text:
[email] said...
Charging monthly?  Since when?  ITYF that if you check their
website the fee is an annual one - and fairly moderate at
that.


author: Jun Young Kim

subject: string and fixnum(float) concatenation....

text:
hi, forks...

see this source

irb(main):015:0> puts "%*s" % [ "1", 2 ]
TypeError: can't convert String into Integer
	from (irb):15:in `%'
	from (irb):15
	from :0
irb(main):016:0>

AIK, "%*s" is to use for concatenation of array.

but, I met the previous error message.

What's different ways I can take?


author: Peña, Botp

subject: Re: string and fixnum(float) concatenation....

text:
From: Jun Young Kim [mailto:[email]]
#...
# AIK, "%*s" is to use for concatenation of array.

can you point me a link to that info?

afaik, "*" is used for field widths, eg,

" 1"

" 1"

"ab"


author: Simon Krahnke

text:
* Jun Young Kim <[email]> (07:13) schrieb:

Maybe you meant "%*s" % [ 2, "1" ] if you expect " 1".

mfg,             simon .... l


text:
From: Peña, Botp [mailto:[email]]
#
# afaik, "*" is used for field widths, eg,

or precisions

#
# > p "%*s" % [2,"1"]
# " 1"
#
# > p "%*s" % [2,1]
# " 1"
#
# > p "%.*s" % [2,"abcdef"]
# "ab"
#

also, if just plain concat, %s will do

12


text:
thanks, wrong knowledge is more worse than wrong action.

2009. 02. 24, 오후 3:52, Peña, Botp 작성:

***************************
    DSLab, CQ 김준영 드림
              (02-2082-1091)
***************************


author: Bjoern Jensen

subject: manual install with make on Windows / Makefile:639

text:
Hi!    I try 2 'manually' install an special perl-module (XML-DBMS), which
needs other packages which uses a C-libary, so I have installed succesfully
gcc for windows.
But when I try to follow these steps:
1. perl Makefile.PL
2. make
3. make test
4. install

I get an error in step 2 (using UnixUtilities):
E:\prg\perl-xml-dbms-1.02\XML-DBMS>gnumake
Makefile:639: *** missing separator.  Stop.

I cant find a description of this error...?
Any ideas?
Thanks :-)
-------------------------------
E:\prg\perl-xml-dbms-1.02\XML-DBMS>gnumake -v
GNU Make version 3.77, by Richard Stallman and Roland McGrath.
...
E:\prg\perl-xml-dbms-1.02\XML-DBMS>gcc -v
Reading specs from E:\sysprg\MINGW32\lib\gcc-lib\i386-mingw32\2.8.1\specs
gcc version 2.8.1


author: bowman

subject: Re: manual install with make on Windows / Makefile:639

text:
"Bjoern Jensen" <[email]> wrote in message
news:9evkj7$du6$[email]...

as powerful as make is, it has its quirks. one common source of this error
is a space where it expects a tab. usually this occurs on lines following a
target:

foo:  some dependencies
    do this and that
^^
must be a tab, not a space.

another gotch area is continued lines using '\'. any whitespace following
the '\' will abort the make, and also be invisible. if you are using an
editor like Vim, set it to display whitespace and examine the area around
line 639.

this is also a popular error if you try to feed a nmake file to make.


author: Randy Kobes

text:
In comp.lang.perl.modules, Bjoern Jensen <[email]> wrote:

This error can arise if you try to use a 'make' program
that's different than the one used to build your Perl binary.
For example, if you're using ActivePerl, then Perl's Config.pm
says make='nmake', and things get confused if you try to use
a different make. You could change this to make='make'; this
might work for non-XS-based modules, but you'll likely run
into binary incompatibilities with XS-based modules in trying
to mix things compiled with gcc with that of ActivePerl (which
is compiled with VC++). You have a couple of options:
- compile Perl yourself with make/gcc;
- stick with ActivePerl which, for binary compatibility, means
getting VC++ 6 if you want to compile XS-based modules for
which there isn't a ppm version. VC++ comes with 'nmake', which
you can also get from
   ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/MSLFILES/nmake15.exe

best regards,
randy kobes


author: Andrew

subject: std::search versus strstr for std::vector<char>

text:
I am testing and performance tuning some code written by a colleague.
The code intent is to read the next XML node from an open file stream.
The node is returned as a std::string with the begin and end tags
suitable for parsing by xercesc. It works but for some strange reason
it runs like a dog with no legs when built using Visual Studio in
debug. It runs quite slowly in release mode as well. When using the
GNU compiler under cygwin it runs like greased lightning whether
compiled with -g or not.

When using the GNU compiler I did some profiling using -p and gprof
and just as I expected, all the time is spent searching for the tags.
This is done using std::search. The buffer to be searched is a
std::vector<char>. This is ok, it is the obvious bulk of the work and
I exected gprof to say this is where it was spending the time.

My test programs takes about 2 seconds to run. But when I use studio
in debug the picture changes. I used Very Sleepy to do sample-based
profiling. It spends all its time entering and leaving critical
regions in locks that are taken in the implementation of std::search
and the iterators passed to it. The time taken jumps up to nearly 3
minutes! In release it takes about 5 seconds, which is much better
than 3 minutes but still more than twice as slow as GNU in debug.

I have spent some time with this colleague, trying to persaude him to
move from C-like coding and manual memory mgmt to using more C++-like
code and self-managing objects. Now that I've finally achieved this I
am wondering if we might be better off using strstr on the data buffer
associated with the std::vector<char>. He was using strstr before but
with various problems (like not ensuring it is NUL-terminated). I
advised on using the STL and std C++ facilities rather than C
functions.

Has anyone else looked at the performance of std::search versus strstr
on the underlying buffer? Why would one implementation takes so many
locks that it cripples performance? What would people here do? Revert
to using the C-like strstr......?

Regards,

Andrew Marlow


subject: Re: std::search versus strstr for std::vector<char>

text:
On 11 Mar, 19:55, "Martin B." <[email]> wrote:

Unfortunately, this work has to fit into a large project with a large
number of libraries, all of which have to be built with secure
iterators turned on when building in debug. For various reasons that I
won't go into here it does make sense to have these checks for most
containers. But IMO it does not make sense when the container is being
used as a string.

I am coming to the conclusion that when using std::vector<char> to
deal with an array of char instead of a std::string, one has to ensure
that the array is NUL-terminated and use the C string functions like
strstr in preference to the std functions that take iterators.
Otherwise it will run like a dog with no legs with Studio in debug.
What a pity.

So now instead of

std::vector<char>::iterator it = std::search(buff.begin(), buff.end(),
xmlitem.begin(), xmlitem.end());

I have:

// Avoid std::search due to cost of checked iterators in debug with
Visual Studio.
const char* foundPosition = strstr(&buff[0], xmlitem.c_str());

Regards,

Andrew Marlow


author: Nick Hounsome

text:
On 10 Mar, 21:51, Andrew <[email]> wrote:

I don't know about the main cause of your problem but STL will usually
compare realy badly to C functions when compiled with DEBUG
because non of the template stuff will be inlined. Without DEBUG and
with optimisation STL SHOULD be more efficient.


author: Martin B.

text:
Andrew wrote:

Check out MSDN / checked iterators:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa985965%28VS.80%29.aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa985982%28VS.80%29.aspx

_SECURE_SCL
_HAS_ITERATOR_DEBUGGING

... try setting both to 0

br,
Martin


author: Goran

text:
On Mar 10, 10:51 pm, Andrew <[email]> wrote:

Looks like you have _SECURE_SCL to 1 (that is the default and even in
release). That causes STL shipped with MSVC to use "checked
iterators", and uses mutexes (critical sections) and otherwise imposes
a non-negligeable performance penalty (it's a speed-safety trade-off).

Try defining _SECURE_SCL to 0 to get "raw" iterators.

Goran.


author: [redacted]

subject: Oracle OpenWorld 2011 - Engineered for Innovation

text:
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If you've attended Oracle OpenWorld before, you know it's the most important educational and networking event of the year for Oracle technologists, customers, and partners. Oracle OpenWorld is the only conference that goes this deep and wide with Oracle technology, providing thousands of sessions and hundreds of demos geared toward
helping your company get better results with the technology it has—and plan strategically for the technology it will need to keep ahead of the competition in the years to come.

Visit: http://bit.ly/4AnhQ for more details and follow https://twitter.com/Oracle_IndiaPR for OpenWorld updates. Use #oow11 (hashtag) while tweeting about Oracle OpenWorld 2011.


author: CarlosAL

subject: Re: Oracle OpenWorld 2011 - Engineered for Innovation

text:
On Sep 29, 11:22 am, [email] wrote:

Wow!

Spam from Oracle (India) itself!!

Seeing is believing...

Cheers.

Carlos.


author: joel garry

text:
On Sep 29, 2:32 am, CarlosAL <[email]> wrote:

That was my first reaction too.  But then I thought, well, it is on
topic, and if I hadn't already known about the hashtag, it would have
been informative.  I still don't quite get how to get backwards from
tweets that are replies to what is being replied to (without
downloading some tool that will go obsolete in some short time).
Maybe we need a google group fed from the tag that threads for us old
geezers.

jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
Here's a nickel kid, go buy yourself a new drill. http://www.team.net/mjb/hawg.html


subject: Re: 3d curve

text:
thanks for your reply
but that's not what i'm trying to do.
first of all it must be continuerly becaus i want to plot one of output,
second the time axes must be shown.
for example : 3D is time-output-position.
in my VI i cannot see the Curve. that's my question. Why? i see onyl a point..
thanks...


author: altenbach

subject: Re: 3d curve

text:
You see only one point because you only generate one point. Creating an array from a scalar just makes an array of lenght=one.

You could built your arrays in shift registers (But make sure the array does not grow forever or you'll run into memory issues).

Attached is a very simple demo that builds three arrays. (1) i=time, sin(f(i)), position (from a control) and plots it in 3D. See if this can point you in the right direction.

3D_TestMOD.vi:
http://forums.ni.com/attachments/ni/170/172642/1/3D_TestMOD.vi


subject: Re: 3d curve

text:
thank you very much,
wenn i want to plot two sinus curve with different positions or more than two, must i use 3D parametric surface?
is it right?
thanks


author: Simon Bretin

subject: shell programming question

text:
Hi all,

I'm kind of a newbie in shell porgramming and I'm wanting to do something I
can't do.
So I hope somebody will be able to help me.

The purpose of the script is to launch a program. The problem is that the
program often crashes and has to be relaunched. Also, when the program
crashes, some processe stays alive and have ot be killed before trying to
launch the program antoher time.

To do that I did a simple while loop :

while [ 1 -ne 0 ];
do
    echo launching prog
    ./prog > prog.log 2>&1
done

You can see that I did not write the part that kills the processes...
Because I do not know how to do that !

If somebody could help me !

Thanks a lot !

Simon


author: Roberto Nibali

subject: Re: shell programming question

text:
Hello,

This is not the best ng to ask stuff about shell programming. Next time
or for followup you might try comp.unix.shell. There are more people that
can help you (maybe).

This is not so simple and most of the time cannot be done reliably. Since
I have no time to write the whole code for you I give you a starter that
should help you to solve your problem. Generally, I suggest you fix that
broken program. A program that crashes often is not usefull and should either
be banned or rewritten.

Not so good. Your launched program blocks the bash from doing more stuff.
You should write it as a daemon. See below.

It's also the toughest part :)

This is a basic approach for a system with bash support and ps -p:

----------------8<---------------------8<-------------------------------

#! /bin/bash

LOG=./my_buggy_prog.log
daemon_timeout=5
my_prog=./my_buggy_prog
my_prog_pid=$$
running=0

test_if_running(){
	ex=0
	ps -p $my_prog_pid | grep "${my_prog##*/}" 1>/dev/null
	if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
		ex=1
		echo "Warning, not running anymore" >> $LOG
	fi
	return $ex
}

while :; do
	if [ $running -eq 0 ]; then
		echo "launching prog ..." >> $LOG
		# Here you should add the checking of pending daemons!
		($my_prog >> $LOG 2>&1) &
		my_prog_pid=$!
		echo "prog launched with pid=$my_prog_pid" >> $LOG
		running=1
	fi
	sleep $daemon_timeout
	echo "retesting if $my_prog is still running" >> $LOG
	test_if_running
	if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
		running=0
	else
		echo "$my_prog is still running" >> $LOG
	fi
done

----------------8<---------------------8<-------------------------------

HTH a little bit. You can get further information posting to c.u.s. Best
regards,
Roberto Nibali, ratz


subject: Re: shell programming question

text:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:58:31 GMT, "Simon Bretin"
<[email]> wrote:

You might be a little farther along, trying to find a program which
does at least part of what you want, and then modifying it.  I believe
I've seen a couple of "watching" programs at Freshmeat over the years.

As far as killing these related processes goes, there are (at least) 2
schools of thought that I am aware of.  Some programs (like mail
transport agents) actually write their process ID to a file.  So, if
you know what file to look in, you can find out what process ID these
processes have.  Another thing you can do, is to run the ps program
and pipe the output of that into a pattern matching program, and strip
the process ID after matching just the program (or programs) you are
interested in.  Once you have the process ID(s), you send signals to
those programs with the "kill" function.

I hope that points you in the right direction.

Gord


author: Kasper Dupont

subject: Re: shell programming question

text:
Simon Bretin wrote:
[...]
[...]

You can send a signal to all processes in a process group.
Process groups can be created using the setsid or setpgrp
system calls. I don't know how you create a process group
and get its id from a shell script.


subject: Simple Regular Expression Help

text:
How can I strip this line with regular expession to get 12345 number
within brackets:

$line = "some text is here (12345 ms)";

This did not work:

$text = $line;
$text =~ m/\((\d+)\)/;


author: Jens Thoms Toerring

subject: Re: Simple Regular Expression Help

text:
[email] wrote:

No, beacuse the number isn't immediately followed by a closing
parenthesis but there's " ms" in between. If you always have
" ms" after the numbr just change your regexp to

$text =~ /\((\d+) ms\)/;

otherwise, if you want to accept arbitrary text after the number
(excluding the closing parenthesis), use

$text =~ /\((\d+)[^)]*\)/;
                              Regards. Jens


author: Greg Bacon

subject: Re: Simple Regular Expression Help

text:
In article <[email]>,
     <[email]> wrote:

: How can I strip this line with regular expession to get 12345 number
: within brackets:
:
: $line = "some text is here (12345 ms)";
:
: This did not work:
:
: $text = $line;
: $text =~ m/\((\d+)\)/;

Try

    if ($line =~ /\((\d+)[^)]+\)/) {
      print "\$1 = '$1'\n";
    }
    else {
      print "No match.\n";
    }

Hope this helps,
Greg


author: Mirco Wahab

subject: Re: Simple Regular Expression Help

text:
[email] wrote:

There are some misconceptions,

   $text =~ /\((\d+)\)/;

This expression (m is superfluous here)
evaluates in "scalar context", so the (unused)
"return value" is the number of hits (would be
1 in this case if the regex is correct).

If you say BRACKET '(' NUMBER (\d+) BRACKET ')',
the Regex engine thinks you mean it, so if
there is something between NUMBER and BRACKET,
your expression would not match. Better catch
such cases by an expression like:

    $text =~ /\( \D* (\d+) \D* \)/x

\D* means 'no number thingy', zero or more times,
/x  means 'use formatting' and ignore whitespace
     in Regex.

You could do several things now:

- 'in place' replacement of the whole bracket (...)
    thing by the number it contains (in $1)

    $text =~ s/\( \D* (\d+) \D* \)/$1/x;

    which will result in:  some text is here 12345
    note the s/  (substitution)

- *extract* the number but don't care about the text

    my @number = $text =~ /\( \D* (\d+) \D* \)/x;

    after this, the array @number has one element: 1234
    (here, the expression is evaluated in list context,
    returning the matches then)

Of course, there are more variants, but to give
you a start, this should suffice.

Regards

Mirco


subject: Re: Simple Regular Expression Help

text:
On May 16, 10:51 am, [email] wrote:

You are telling Perl to match an open paren, followed by one or more
digits, followed by a close paren.  but your string doesn't fit that
criteria (it has digits followed by a whitespace and two alphas).

You could do something like this (and consolidate the command), which
will (greedily) match everything after the digits up to the (last)
closing paren in your input string:

   my ($numbers) = ($line =~ /\((\d+).*\)/);


author: Mario D'Alessio

subject: Re: Simple Regular Expression Help

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

You didn't account for the "ms" in the text string:

$text =~ m/\((\d+) ms\)/;

or if there can be other strings other than "ms":

$text =~ m/\((\d+).*\)/;

Mario


author: Greg Jetter

subject: Re: Simple Regular Expression Help

text:
[email] wrote:

this worked:

use strict;

my $line = "some text is here (12345 ms)";

$line=~ m/(\d\d\d\d\d)/;

print $1;

prints :12345

there are I'm sure a few other ways  , but this one is pretty simple , if
you know the pattern to look for ,in your case 5 consecutive digit's.

good luck

Greg Jetter
Alaska-Internet-Solutions.com


author: Paul Ashby LADS LDN X8140

subject: Re: How to keep multiple views of a single object in sync with the object?

text:
Or maybe the model-view-controller mechanism

In article <01bcda2b$39639e10$0a14010a@kavanagh>,
	"Sean Dwyer" <[email]> writes:


subject: Suddenly Slow Amiga

text:
Yo, Campers!

System main specs: A3000D towered in Elbox Mirage case w/300 watt PSU,
DCE CyberStormPPC 233MHz w/060 50MHz & SCSI III, Elbox Mediator PCI
3000D busboard, Voodoo III graphics card, Spider II USB card, eFlash
card, Fast ATA 4000 card with DVD-ROM, 128Megs FPM RAM, 2 Meg CHIP,
ViewSonic PF775 17" multi-sync monitor, 9.1Gb Quantum SCSI hardrive on
CyberStormPPC SCSI bus, and usual peripherals. OS 3.9, CyberGraphX v4
(registered).

Phew! What a mouthful.

Problem:
Hard-drive operations have suddenly slowed  right down to a crawl. Even
boot-up takes 15 minutes. Yes - 15 minutes! :-(

Background:
One bright morning last month the A3000 was powered on as usual. A few
seconds into the boot process the Quantum Atlas V seemed to lose power,
the drive was heard to spin down momentarily and there was a faint
series of 'click-clock' sounds. This lasted only a few seconds,
then the machine appeared to boot as normal - only extremely slowly.
Booting took 15 minutes as opposed to the normal minute or so. It's
been this way ever since that morning.

Once booted the machine appears to operate OK but all hard-drive
activity is terribly slow - even slower than in the miggy's old
native '030' state.

Before the problem arose, the machine was working perfectly and nothing
new - neither hardware nor software had been added to the system in
months. This glitch just came out of the blue. Wham! There are no error
messages or requesters, nor blinking power signals at boot-up. Apart
from this glacial operating slow-down, the machine performs
'normally'.

On the SCSI bus there is the Seagate (was the Quantum) at ID 0, a SCSI
Zip drive at ID 5 and an old Sony CD-ROM at ID 6. The Seagate (like the
Quantum) is 68 pin Ultra SCSI whilst the Zip and CD-ROM are early 25
pin SCSI I devices. These are connected to the CyberStorm's SCSI bus
cable via a series of adapters. The adapters, cabling and terminations
are arranged EXACTLY as specified in the CyberStorm's manual. This
was done years ago and the arrangement has always worked perfectly.

I mention the above because both the Zip and Sony CD-ROM work normally
under the current circumstance. For instance, if I copy a wad of files
from either the Zip or Sony CD-ROM or FastATA DVD-ROM to RAM, the
operation occurs at normal fast speed. Ditto for CD-ROM/DVD-ROM to Zip.
Directory windows or listings from the CD-ROM/DVD-ROM or Zip are just
as fast as ever; however, any copying/moving/deleting/reading that
involves the hard drive - either as source or destination - is DEAD
SLOW.

Operations involving RAM to RAM - say a RamDisk to RAM copy - are
still as fast as ever.

This glitch seems to have everything to do with Input/Output to and
from the hard-drive only - yet since the problem persists after a
drive swap, it would appear not to be the drives themselves at fault.

Mouse cursor is fine - no slow-down there and no jerking or blinking.
Clock is fine.

Things I've done:
Thinking the problem was a dying drive, I replaced the Quantum with a
Seagate, but the swap has made no difference.

Disconnected Zip and CD-ROM from SCSI bus (and all pertinent references
to them in Sys: directories) leaving just a pure Ultra SCSI bus with
the one hard drive. No difference.

Checked voltages on hard-drive power plug - all OK. Even tried the
PSU's two spare power plugs - no difference.

Checked all cabling and connections - especially the SCSI set-up -
all seems OK.

Checked the battery for leakage - it's clean and working fine.

Pressed down on all mobo chips - all OK as far as I can tell.

Checked the seating of all cards - fine.

Removed and reinstalled memory SIMMs - they seem OK.

Checked for viruses using VirusZ III - program reports no bugs.

Replaced the entire Sys: directory with known good back-up. No
difference.

The machine has always been kept clean. I blow all the internals down
with compressed air at least once every six months. No dust nor rust!
(Keep dust out of anything electronic and it will likely outlive you.)

Epilogue:
So, I'm left scratching my head over this one. I've had the A3000
for about 14 years now, adding the CyberStorm/Mediator/Tower set-up 6
years ago. Never had this happen before.

Does anyone have any idea what the problem may be? Could it have some
bearing on the DMA between hard-drive and memory? Perhaps a faulty chip
on the mobo or CyberStorm...?

A clue, a hint, a rumination - all and any advice welcome! ;-)

Cheers, Tony McKee


subject: Re: Suddenly Slow Amiga

text:
On 8 Dec 2006 05:23:28 -0800, [email] wrote:

[snip a/the read]

Sorry, no help from here.

   --*TheBest*--


author: Clockmeister

subject: Re: Suddenly Slow Amiga

text:
<snip>

It sounds like the SCSI controller chip has done it's dash.

I would remove the board and have a good look at all the pins on the chip
and all solder joints to make sure none have lifted.
Thermal cycling will claim all electronics eventually, dust or not.


author: Jimmy

subject: Re: Suddenly Slow Amiga

text:
[email] wrote in news:1165584208.861986.166350
@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Hard drive, cabling or power is what I would have looked at first, which
you did. Try connecting the hard drive to the A3000 internal scsi and see
if that makes a difference. If so it is something with the CyberStorm. If
not then remove every card and external and just have the hard drive
connected to the internal scsi and check that. Still no good then it is the
cable or hard drive.


subject: Re: Suddenly Slow Amiga

text:
Hi Tony!

I've had exactly the same symptoms with some of my SCSI drives years
ago. Also thinking that it was the drive I replaced it (exactly as you
did). No change!
Later I replaced the PSU and had no trouble since. Measuring the PSU
without load doesn't give you an accurate reading, so you can't be
sure. A momentary drop or fluctuation in power is also hard to measure,
but most electronics don't like it, that's for sure.

That slow operation while booting would probably be the disk validator
being busy (what file system do you have on your drives?). This could
take a while for a big harddisk.

First check if there is still disk activity when you try to do
something (the disk validator might still be busy slowing everything
down...)
Try to switch the Zip drive to ID 0 and the Quantum to ID 5 to see if
that makes a difference. Maybe your CS-SCSI is slowly giving up on
you...

Good luck!


author: tom sullivan

subject: MPLA patch request

text:
I am posting one last time in search of a set of patches for MPLA (of
the Berkeley tools) to permit MPLA to run on a Sun 4 processor. The
source I have works great on a VAX; however, it fails when compiled on
a Sun 4 machine (using both cc and gcc). It will run, but generates
incorrect PLAs. I would appreciate any information leading me to
a solution to this problem.

thanks,

	tom sullivan
	washington university, dept of EE
	st. louis, missouri
	[email]


author: Bob Mayo

subject: Magic Version 6 BETA test sites wanted

text:
The Beta-test version of Magic version 6 is almost ready.  I have a couple of
test sites lined up, but am looking for a couple more.  I'm looking for
places that:

	+ can test it out *right now*  (over next few weeks)
	+ will give the system heavy use, such as one of the following:
		+ classroom use
		+ day-to-day use by chip designers
		+ extensive testing (many hours trying to break it)
	+ will report bugs quickly

A few of the advantages of V6 are:
	+ enhanced X11 support
	+ an interactive maze router from Livermore Labs
	+ a gate array router from Livermore Labs
	+ Stanford's IRSIM program and graphical interface to Magic
	+ lots of bug fixes
	+ better support for technologies with lots of layers and stacked contacts
	+ support for HP machines, MacII's, some system-V'ish stuff

The advantages to test sites are:
	+ a chance to try out the new features to see if you want to use new
	  release
	+ an opportunity to make sure the actual release will work in your
	  configuration (assuming you report problems you encouter!)
	+ great fame resulting from your efforts at making the actual release
	  as nearly bug-free as possible

The actual release will come out in two months or so.  (This will be a Berkeley
release, not a DEC release.  DEC is my employer, but they are donating some
of my time to this project.)  Also, due to a lack of manpower, this will be
a magic-only release.  Other tools from the previous release won't be included
(sorry).

Please send me a mail message if you are interested in being a test site.
I can only interact with a handful of sites, so I'll be choosing them based
upon how heavily they plan to exercise the system.

Thanks!

--Bob


author: rtripathi

subject:
grate place for Professional want make thereNetwork & job seekers
	join LinkedIn

text:
grate place for Professional want make thereNetwork &job seekers join
LinkedIn
I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. grate
place for job seekers
IT will help all of u getting job and making connection & Network with
many peoples like HR, VP,PM.....of ORACLE,IBM,
HCL,Google&MNC'S................

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/6/912/b82


author: Magnate

subject: Re: grate place for Professional want make thereNetwork & job seekers join LinkedIn

text:
"rtripathi" <[email]> wrote in

Um .... do you know anything about LinkedIn? It's a networking site, which
means you're supposed to KNOW the people you connect to. Spamming a
newsgroup of people you've never met is just .... weird.

CC


author: Michael Black

subject:
Re: grate place for Professional want make thereNetwork & job seekers
 join LinkedIn

text:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008, Hal Murray wrote:

Come on, nobody's going to attack the very obvious?  The guy can't
spell, so what difference does any of the rest make?  He can't be
taken seriously simply because his subject header has errors.

"Grate" should be "great".
"there" should be "their"

He also skipped a few spaces between words, though I'm not
sure if that's sloppiness or his trying to compress a long
subject into a more readable form.  Of course,  he should have
used fewer words,  but then people who use long subject
headers tend to feel the subject speaks for itself rather
than a lure to get people to read the message.  Indeed,
they may use a long subject header because they know few
will look at the message, but maybe they'll see the spam
in the subject header.

   Michael


author: Charlie Gibbs

subject: Re: grate place for Professional want make thereNetwork & job seekersjoin Linke

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] (Larry Blanchard) writes:

And the spelling and grammar of the subject line are hardly
professional.


author: Angelo Campanella

subject: T43- The Final Solution

text:
Dear All:

    My past posts here have dealt with my aging T43 (5+ years): First I had
trouble with the CD bay popping out (fastened shut with packing tape). Then
keys popped off, almost lost, tabs broke on 4 or 5 of them, taped back in
place. Then various speeds and RAM problems (outside RAM 1 gig hardly ever
mounted after a while). Then the screen went dead, so I bought two outboard
flat screens (big for desk, small for travel, darn nuisance). Finally last
week the task bar disappeared and the mouse arrow often disappeared down or
right. Called a local PC guru and he swore he'd fix it in a jiffy, bad
screen. He bought and installed screen, no difference. But now it won't
start past a few windows screens. He ordered a used exact replacement
(T43/2668-76U), only to find it unavailable.

FINAL SOLUTION: He trolled locally to locate a surplussed (bad economy)
T43/2668-76U. He swapped in my old battery and hard drive, hunted down a
driver for the new wireless card, and now I'm back in business. The frame of
this T43 is essentially new; all keys are present, CD tray obediently stays
shut, 2 gigs RAM comes up OK, task bar returned, screen is good.

There is a Santa Claus!

Last comment: The T43 seems to have a good reputation in the used market. I
can certainly vouch for it!

Angelo Campanella


author: Steve Stone

subject: Re: T43- The Final Solution

text:
It is getting more difficult to find decent replacement Keyboards for
the T4x family.
Most of the "new" one on ePay that have an asking price of around $40
USD  come with dead or sluggish keys.


author: ~misfit~

subject: Re: T43- The Final Solution

text:
Somewhere on teh intarwebs Angelo Campanella wrote:

Yeah, T43s are good machines.

I just bought a faulty T43p last week,  (2668-H2M - P M 770, 1GB RAM, 60GB
7200rpm HDD, 15 UXGA(1600x1200) TFT LCD, 128MB ATI FireGL V3200, CD-RW/DVD-R
Multi-Burner, Intel 802.11b/g wireless, Bluetooth/Modem, 1Gb Ether,
UltraNav, Sec Chip, FPR, 9c Li-Ion, WinXP Pro) for NZ$100.

It was described as running from battery but wouldn't charge from AC, couple
keycaps missing, otherwise in excellent condition. I have a donor machine
for the keyboard that I bought for NZ$40 knowing that the southbridge was
loose and I was semi-confident that I knew how to fix the problem. When I
went to pick it up and he gave me a power adapter that had tape around the
16V wire where it exited the brick I felt even more confident.

I got the machine home and fired it up from a freshly charged battery and it
was great, beautiful UXGA FlexView screen. I removed the keyboard and
palmrest and tested fuse F2 with my $5 multi-meter and, sure enough it was
open-circuit. I unsoldered the same fuse from my donor machine (damn tiny
little things, had to wear some supermarket 3.5x glasses and my LED
flashlight to see what I was doing) and piggy-back soldered it top of the
blown fuse in the 'new' machine.

It worked a treat! The dodgy AC brick went into the recycling, I added
another 1GB RAM to it and now it's an awesome machine to use. Great deal
considering last month I sold a lesser T43 (2668-84M) in similar condition,
(as refurbished, I clean out dust, lube fan, use AS5 TIM on CPU, do a fresh
install of the OS....) for 4x what I paid for the T43p.

I have four other ThinkPads with FlexView screens but they're all SXGA+. I
always thought that UXGA on a 15" screen would be too much. (I have two 20"
UXGA IPS Dell UltraSharp monitors (2007fp[?]) that are perfect, I couldn't
have imagined how usable that resolution *is* in a 15" format. A very
pleasant surprise.) Now I find myself wanting to use the UXGA T43p instead
of my main macine, this SXGA+ FV T60 (2007-7KU). Alas, the power of a Core 2
Duo over-rides the allure of a UXGA FlexView over an SXGA+ FlexView. If only
it were simple to swap the screen from the T43p into this T60.....
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
cozy little classification in the DSM."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)


subject: Re: T43- The Final Solution

text:
"~misfit~" <[email]> wrote in message
news:j4m73n$1t0$[email]...

    Sounds like the wiring at the spot needs refurbished. Simple job. After
wiring is resolved, super-glue a stress relief wrap of your own concoction.

    In my dark past, I have used fine wire (single fine strand of finely
stranded wire), soldered outboard across open fuses from one contact to the
other... Just let it work in air. It will fuse open for  dead shorts, or a
few amps, depending on fineness. (That's the way it used to be 50-100 years
ago for house lighting; back to the future.)

    My 19"+ (1440x900) monitor works very well. I'm using it for the office.
Resolution beats anything I've had previously. Display switch (blue F7)
works properly 3-ways: desk only, thinkpad only and both.

    Ange


author: Stephen B Streater

subject: Re: Acorn risc are to slow

text:
In article <53bmik$[email]>, Lasse Olsen
<URL:mailto:[email]> wrote:

I've forgotton the original question now, but this may answer it anyway :)
The SA is made in much higher volume than any custom chips for the Amiga,
(Digital are now able to supply volumes of 1,000,000+) so it can make use
of economies of scale. The high volumes allow for much higher investment,
so The SA of next year will overtake the custom chip of this year, which
will be almost the same as the custom chip of this year because economies
of scale don't allow such a big investment.

Cycles well spent, in fact.

                                            ---

Which one? A reliable off the shelf PPro system is still unobtainable.


author: Nathan Eaton Jr.

subject: User Created Tables

text:
Anyone familiar with an approach or product for DB2 UDB that is either a)
similar to the QMF "save data" capability or that allows something similar
to the Oracle feature of granting "create table" at the tablespace level
instead of the database level?  Note: I have no Oracle experience, so please
let me know if I was misinformed of Oracle's abilities.

The goal is to provide a decision support user the ability to create their
own tables and to populate them.  In general, these tables wouldn't contain
data used to extend the formal database but would typically either contain
information pulled from the decision support database and used to subset the
data in subsequent queries or would potentially contain data from external
sources that needs to be joined with data stored in the database.

Capability should work with as many access tools/methods as possible, i.e.,
ODBC, SAS, etc.  With QMF, a user could write a query against several tables
in the database that selects keys representing a specific subset and run the
query in a QMF proc followed by the "save data" command which would create a
table matching the SELECT clause of the query and insert the query results
in the table.  The user has full control over the table, including the
ability to drop it.

For power users, could allow them to just execute the "create table"
statement (with plenty of education on EEE partitioning keys, the
appropriate tablespaces to use, etc.) if there were a way to grant "create
table" at the tablespace level ala Oracle (e.g., create a number of 'user'
tablespaces and assign each one to one or several users).

Not especially concerned about methods of populating the user-created
tables - though level of integration represented by QMF "save data" would be
nice - primarily concerned with the "create" event itself.

Expect to have to do extensive custom development to support this, but just
wanted to make sure it would not be an exersize in "recreating the wheel".

Regards,
N. Eaton


author: Doug Doole

subject: Re: User Created Tables

text:
In addition to the table space privileges mentioned in another post, you
probably want to play with schema privileges as well.

By default, DB2 for Windows and UNIX will allow a user to create an
object in any schema they want (CREATE TABLE BOB.TABLE1... even though
I'm DOUG). You can prevent this with:
   REVOKE IMPLICIT_SCHEMA ON DATABASE FROM PUBLIC

Now, only system administrators can create new schemas. (If you want
other users to be able to create schemas, grant them the IMPLICIT_SCHEMA
privilege.)

Now, suppose the user DOUG needs to be able to create objects. The
schema DOUG should be created (by a sysadm or someone with
IMPLICIT_SCHEMA) and DOUG can be made the owner with:
   CREATE SCHEMA AUTHORIZATION DOUG

After this, DOUG will only be able to create objects (tables, views,
etc.) in the DOUG schema and therefore won't be able to pollute any
other schemas.

Should someone else (say BOB) need to be able to create objects in
DOUG's schema, DOUG (or a SYSADM) could do:
   GRANT CREATIN ON SCHEMA DOUG TO USER BOB

Hope this helps.


author: Blair Kenneth Adamache

subject: Re: User Created Tables

text:
You can grant the use of tablespaces:

   GRANT USE OF TABLESPACE PLANS TO BOBBY WITH GRANT OPTION

"Nathan Eaton Jr." wrote:


author: Fabrizio Napolitano

subject: Re: User Created Tables

text:
Hello Nathan,

"Nathan Eaton Jr." <[email]> wrote in message news:<IWQ27.481286$[email]>...

For the first question a) I can't help you I haven't seen anything
like that yet (by the way won't this capability to be avaible in the
future inside the command center? It already as a save data option to
various kind of file: HTML,txt,CSV so why do not provided it with a
capacility like that? Or there is already and I didn't find it yet? At
this time you can even edit the query result set and update the
underlying tables online so it shoudn't be too far away).
About question b) you already have this capability:  infact as it was
already told you can grant use to a tablespace to user.
If you want to give distinct users diferents tablespaces and you don't
want them to write to a common tablespace (if their own one it's
almost full) remember to drop (or at least revoke privileges to) the
default user tablespace (USERSPACE1 or whatever you changed the name
at db creation time).


author: Sailesh Krishnamurthy

subject: Re: User Created Tables

text:
"Nathan Eaton Jr." <[email]> writes:

Have you considered the use of automatic summary tables ? Read up on
CREATE SUMMARY TABLE in CREATE TABLE in the SQL Reference. Think of a
summary table as being a materialized view. You have various options
for this - essentially regarding how it's populated and how it's kept
up to date. Under certain conditions you can declare it to be REFRESH
IMMEDIATE. In that case, any changes made to the original tables in
the query get automatically refreshed into the summary .. note that
this is not necessarily a full refresh - it will typically be some
delta that's recomputed. Another option is to say REFRESH DEFERRED, in
which case you issue an explicit REFRESH TABLE command to populate
it. Yet another option is to "convert" a table from being a normal
table to a summary table and back. You could do your inserts into the
summary table when it's in the "normal" state. Today, we don't permit
user-maintained summary tables.

Perhaps another option is to create global temp tables if you want to
all the apps to have the same table for the table but each
session/transaction to only "contain" the changes it made.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: User Created Tables

text:
Grant/TABLESPACE is available from v 7.x

PM

Blair Kenneth Adamache wrote:


author: Ivan

subject: Sonic Fury & Santa Cruz (again)

text:
I had some exercises in futility trying to get a Santa Cruz card.

Then I inadvertently came across some info claiming that Santa Cruz was
identical to Sonic Fury card (not only Cirrus Logic chip).

Namely, Santa Cruz IS in fact Sonic Fury, its just sold in Europe under name
"Sonic Fury".

I would appreciate any confirmation of the above-mentioned and also some
accounts regarding issues that Sonic Fury might be having (i.e. VIA 686B
bug...).

Thanx!


author: Ulrich Grassberger

subject: Re: Sonic Fury & Santa Cruz (again)

text:
http://grassomusic.de/english/cs4630.htm

-------http://grassomusic.de-------
grasso at telebel.de


author: Karen

subject: Re: Sonic Fury & Santa Cruz (again)

text:
Ivan,

Yes, the Sonic Fury is the Santa Cruz, sold under licence by Videologic in
Europe.  Videologic currently even point you to the Santa Cruz Windows XP
drivers rather than re-badging them as their own.  The card also says "Santa
Cruz" on it, even though it comes in a Videologic box.

I have a VIA 686B chip on my Epox 8K7A+ and my SoundBlaster Live! Value
crackled slightly with it.  I've not had any such problems with the Sonic
Fury.  The current drivers do have an issue with chkdsk under Windows 2000
and XP (you have to disable the drivers to run chkdsk successfully).  I
don't run many games so I can't talk too much about compatibility there, but
basically I like the card a lot.

Karen

"Ivan" <[email]> wrote in message
news:9sefl3$2e12$[email]...
name


author: Neale D. Hind

subject: Re: Sonic Fury & Santa Cruz (again)

text:
In article <3beb0def$[email]>, Karen <[email]>
writes

Also, while Videologic claims that the latest drivers are v4078, the
SantaCruz site has v4081. If you install these, be aware that the Sound
Check utility stops working (at least on my Win98 system).

Me too. My family plays lots of games and the sound is fine for that as
well (although it only emulates A3D, whereas EAX is hardware supported).

There is an A3D emulation update on the Sensaura website.


author: Dave

subject: Compaq 2500 and flight sim 2004

text:
I got my notebook today and one of the first things I did was install
Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004.  Everyone said it would'nt work.  It works
perfectly!  Only one time did I notice the slightest pause or break or what
ever its called when for an instant it pauses and this was when I just got
done loading the game and landed the Boeing the first time.  Just when the
smoke came off the tires it did a quick jerk.  After that I couldn't get it
to do it again.  I even did things that normally would make it jerk on a
desktop that I know of like pan around the plane very fast while its in
flight and a few other things and it didn't do it again.  I didn't turn down
any settings I did a normal load and played it.  I'm sure the HP/Compaq
basher's will not believe me or have something to add to it but it worked
perfectly for anyone else that would like to know.

Mobile P4 2.66 GHZ 512 ram 64 mb video


subject: Re: Compaq 2500 and flight sim 2004

text:
Hey buddy I was ON THAT FLIGHT!  Little jerk my ass!  I had newspapers
and magazines hitting me from behind, the overhead bins all popped open,
and a lady at the back of the plane puked.   I suggest you work on that
glitch!

Sincerely,

Unhappy passenger


author: Jeff Williams

subject: Re: Compaq 2500 and flight sim 2004

text:
"Dave" <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

I'm one of the people who said it "wouldn't work" (actually I said it
"may be playable, depending on what you consider playable - I wouldn't
enjoy it").  I'm glad you're enjoying your laptop and your FS2004 but
I stand by what I said.  You didn't turn any settings down because the
game turned them down for you when you installed it - go in and try
turning the various detail settings *up*, then fly your Cessna from
JFK over Manhattan and see what happens to the frame rate.

You may also just be one of those people that doesn't mind low frame
rates.  And by "low" I mean anything under 30fps or so; that's the
threshold where I really start to mind it.  Some people can go down to
as low as 10fps without really caring.

I'm telling you, FS2004 is a well-known hog - read the various reviews
at places like GameSpot or IGN.  It chugs even on powerful PC's.  I
have a GeForce 4 in my Athlon 2600+ desktop and I consider it barely
playable on that, and a GeForce 4 is several times more powerful than
a Radeon 7500.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but I am trying to just inject
a little reality into the situation for anyone else who may be reading
this and considering running FS2004 on an older laptop graphics chip
like this.  I'm sure it's possible; the question is whether you'll
enjoy it.  You obviously do.  I wouldn't.  It depends on what you're
looking for; if I'm going to play one of the latest and greatest
games, I want it to look like one of the latest and greatest games and
run well to boot.


subject: Re: Compaq 2500 and flight sim 2004

text:
That's good, thanks I laughed very hard.

"Dave" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
got
the


author: Steve Kotsopoulos

subject: X on Intel-based Unix Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ]

text:
Archive-name: x-faq/Intel-Unix-X-faq
Last-modified: Jan 7, 2002
Posting-Frequency: monthly
URL: http://www.fywss.com/stuff/Intel-Unix-X-faq
URL2: http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/~steve/misc/Intel-Unix-X-faq

This article includes answers to:

   What free options are there for X software on Intel-based Unix?
   What commercial options are there for X software on Intel-based Unix?
   What other sources of information are there?

Introduction
============

This FAQ covers general questions about X on Intel-based Unix, but not
topics that are already in other FAQs such as the general X FAQ that
is regularly posted by David B. Lewis <[email]> or the
XFree86 FAQ, etc.

The latest version of this article is available from
http://www.fywss.com/stuff/Intel-Unix-X-faq

If you have anything to add or change on this FAQ just let me know.

Please do not ask me questions that are not answered in this FAQ.  I don't
have time to respond to these individually.  Instead, post your question
to the net, and send me the question and answer together when you get it.

Frequently Asked Questions About X on Intel-based Unix (with answers)
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Subject: What free options are there for X software on Intel-based Unix?

  The most popular option is XFree86, which is an enhanced version of X386.
  X386 is the port of the X11 server to System V/386 that was done by
  Thomas Roell <[email]>.

  XFree86 is a freeware project which has its roots in Thomas Roell's
  X386 work. It is a port of X11R6 that supports several versions of Intel-
  based Unix and Unix-like operating systems.  This release consists of
  new features and performance improvements as well as many bug fixes.
  The release is available as source patches against the X Consortium
  X11R6 code, as well as binary distributions for many architectures.

  XFree86 is available from ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86 and the
  mirror sites that are listed there. More detailed information and
  the XFree86 FAQ are on their web site, url http://www.xfree86.org

  Several other options are available for people running NeXTSTEP on
  i486 and Pentium hardware. Information on mouseX, Cub'X and Co-Xist
  is available via anonymous ftp from cs.orst.edu in /pub/next/XNeXT.

Subject: What commercial options are there for X software on Intel-based Unix?

     1) Metro Link
        4711 North Powerline Road
        Fort Lauderdale, FL  33309
        (305) 938-0283
        Fax: (305) 938-1982
        email: [email]
        http://www.metrolink.com/

        Summary: OS:    AT&T System V 3.2, Interactive, Linux, LynxOS, QNX,
                        SCO ODT, SCO UNIX, Solaris x86, System V 4.0,
                        System V 4.2, UnixWare 1.1/2.0, Venix

                 HW:    Many graphics cards including those based on:
                        VGA, 8514, S3, ATI Mach 8/32/64, ET3000, ET4000,
                        Matrox MGA, Cirrus Logic, Western Digital
                        including boards from: ATI, Diamond, Matrox,
                        Number Nine, Orchid, Pixelworks, Trident.

                 Other: Motif, XIE Imaging Extension, Xv Video Extension,
                        Audio Drivers, Multi Media Tools

     2) Xi Graphics
	1801 Broadway, Suite 1710
	Denver, CO 80202
	+1.303.298.7478, 800.XINSIDE [800.946.7433]
	Fax:   +1.303.298.1406
	email: [email]

	Email:      [email]
	Web:        http://www.xig.com/
	Anon-FTP:   ftp.xig.com
	Mail lists: [email]

	Summary: OS:	BSDI, FreeBSD, INTERACTIVE, Linux, OpenServer,
			Solaris, UnixWare
		 HW:    Over 450 graphics boards from over 50 vendors,
			almost any monitor up to 1920x1440.
		 Other: Included extensions: MIT-SCREEN-SAVER, MIT-SHM,
			Double-Buffering, SHAPE, XIdle, XsightExtension,
			PEX-3D, SYNC, XTEST, RECORD, concurrent 24bpp &
			8bpp support (overlays), hardware gamma color
			correction.
			Optional Enhancements: OpenGL, Motif 2.0,
			CDE, Multihead, Mobile Computer Support..

	The Xi Graphics Accelerated-X products support 2D and OpenGL 3D graphics.
	It supports a great variety of consumer and also high-end 3D accelerators.

	The Laptop Server supports "hot key" switching between internal and
	external displays (internal, external or both).

	See web site for the most current list of supported boards and
	a free downloadable compatability demo of the server.

	The Xi Graphics Server, known as 'AcceleratedX', is bundled with
	Delix Pro.

     3) The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
	p.o. box 1900
	Santa Cruz, California 95061
	(408) 425 7222, (800) SCO UNIX,
	FAX: (408) 458 4227
	email: [email]

	Summary: OS: ODT 1.1, ODT 2.0, ODT 3.0
		 HW: X11R5 server support for SVGA, 8514/A, S3, TMS340x0,
		     GD5426, P9000, ET4000/W32, Mach32, WD90C33, 86C801,
		     86C805, 86C928, WD90C31, XGA2, QVision, misc. localbus
		     video systems (see Hardware Compatibility Handbook
		     for actual card vendors).
		 Other: Motif

     4) Answer Software & Consulting
	p.o. box 14171
	Columbus, Ohio 43214
	614-263-XLAB
	email: [email]

	Summary: OS: Coherent 4.0.1r72 or greater
		 HW: works with any VESA compliant video

     5) OpenWindows (shipped as part of the Solaris for x86 OS)
	SunSoft Inc.
	901 San Antonio Road
	Palo Alto, CA. 94303-4900
	Phone: 650-960-3200

	Summary: OS: Solaris for x86, SunSoft's version of SVR4
		 HW: ATI, Cirrus, S3, 8514, VGA, XGA, Matrox, Weitek, etc.
		     Complete list of supported cards available by
		     mailing [email].
		 Other: X11R5 clients, XView, OLIT, DeskSet, Adobe Display
			PostScript, XGL (3D Graphics), XIL (Imaging)

     6) Mark Williams Company
	Mark Williams Company went out of business about Feb 2 1995.
	Check comp.os.coherent for details and flamewars.

  NOTE: Other commercial vendors (including OS vendors describing
	bundled software) are welcome to submit summary information
	such as the above.

Subject: What other sources of information are there?

  There is a Usenet news group comp.windows.x.i386unix that contains
  mostly discussions about XFree86 and related topics. Many questions
  can be answered there.

  For information on X packages for DOS systems, consult the (PC)NFS FAQ
  available from seagull.rtd.com:/pub/tcpip/pcnfs.FAQ.v1.2.Z

  More general X information can be found elsewhere in the comp.windows.x
  hierarchy, and the FAQs that are posted regularly there.


author: qazmlp

subject: reformatting the blocks

text:
How do the format the blocks like this:
eg:
if() {
}
to
if()
{
}

The same should be done for all (for, while, else, function etc.)
blocks in a .C file.


author: Peppe

subject: Re: reformatting the blocks

text:
qazmlp wrote:

Please refer to ":help 'smartindent'", ":help 'cindent'", ":help
'cinoptions'" and ":help =" and follow the links to other parts of the
fine manual.

Peppe


subject: Re: reformatting the blocks

text:
Peppe </bin/[email]> wrote in message news:<slrnbig364.961./bin/[email]>...
Even after going through the FAQ, help pages etc for Vim, I could not figure out
the indentation option required for making the blocks like this:
if() {

}
else{

}

to
if()
{

}
else
{

}

in the existing code.

Only after that option is set, I can use =a{ or gg=G for formatting.

Can anybody help in this?


subject: Re: reformatting the blocks

text:
Peppe </bin/[email]> wrote in message news:<slrnbig364.961./bin/[email]>...
But the settings with these options, will have impact for the new
code. What do I need to do if I want to do the required change for the
existing code?


subject: Re: reformatting the blocks

text:
qazmlp wrote:

[First response]

For reformatting new code you could turn to the "=" command. Please see
":help =" to understand what it does and how to affect the behaviour.

[Second response]

Which option?

If this is all you want to do, you could either use :substitute or an
external program with the "=" command.

If you are still using vim under Unix, please do

    :help =
    :set hls
    /'equalprg'/
    <C-]>
    :!man -k indent
    :!man indent

Peppe


subject: Re: reformatting the blocks

text:
Peppe </bin/[email]> wrote in message news:<slrnbjih2p.od./bin/[email]>...
Thanks!

I tried for the following and it worked:
:%s/\ \ *$//  #to remove the trailing blank spaces
:g/if.*{/norm @b  #b register has i<enter>
:g/while.*{/norm @b
:g/for.*{/norm @b
:g/else.*{/norm @b


subject: Re: reformatting the blocks

text:
qazmlp wrote:

Glad you found a solution. As far as I can tell, @b must include more
than just "i<CR>".

At any rate, a different approach using "=" could be

    :set equalprg=indent\ -bl       " add options as necessary
    1G=G

Peppe   [I believe that is correct for Solaris, at least]