author: David Alex Lamb

subject: Comp.software-eng FAQ (Part 4): CASE tool vendors

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Last-Modified: 21 Nov 1997
Archive-name: software-eng/part4
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This is a list of contact information for CASE tool vendors, maintained at the
Software Technology Laboratory, Department of Computing and Information
Science, Queen's University.

It was originally compiled by Scott Marcus and Theo Heavey, formerly of the
CASE Research group, Dept. of Computer Science, Florida Atlantic University;
sponsored by Florida Industry High Technology Council.  After they lost their
funding for this list, the only way we've been able to keep it up to date is
if people volunteer to tell us what needs to change.

Please e-mail corrections to [email].

This information is available through the World-Wide Web as
	http://www.qucis.queensu.ca/Software-Engineering/vendor.html

+1 Software Engineering (see http://www.plus-one.com)
   +1Base (programming environment; see http://www.plus-
      one.com/+1Base_fact_sheet.html), +1CM (configuration management; see
      http://www.plus-one.com/+1CM_fact_sheet.html), +1CR (problem tracking;
      see http://www.plus-one.com/+1CR_fact_sheet.html), +1DataTree (data
      modeling; see http://www.plus-one.com/+1DataTree_fact_sheet.html),
      +1Reports (documentation generator; see http://www.plus-
      one.com/+1Reports_fact_sheet.html), +1Reuse (Reuse Library Toolset; see
      http://www.plus-one.com/+1Reuse_fact_sheet.html), +1Test (testing tools;
      see http://www.plus-one.com/+1Test_fact_sheet.html), +1ReverseC (reverse
      engineering/maintenance; see http://www.plus-
      one.com/+1ReverseC_fact_sheet.html), +1ReverseFORTRAN (reverse
      engineering/maintenance; see http://www.plus-
      one.com/+1ReverseFORTRAN.html), +1ReversePascal (reverse
      engineering/maintenance; see http://www.plus-
      one.com/+1ReversePascal_fact_sheet.html), Metrics4C (metrics tool; see
      http://www.plus-one.com/Metrics4C_fact_sheet.html), Metrics4FORTRAN
      (metrics tool; see http://www.plus-
      one.com/Metrics4FORTRAN_fact_sheet.html), Metrics4Pascal (metrics tool;
      see http://www.plus-one.com/Metrics4Pascal_fact_sheet.html),
      Metrics4Project (metrics tool; see http://www.plus-
      one.com/Metrics4Project_fact_sheet.html)
   2510-G Las Posas Road, Suite 438; Camarillo; California; 93011; USA;
      805-389-1778; Call Us; [email].
ACTL Systems Ltd.  (see http://www.sharat.co.il/actl)
   AbyS (analysis, simulation, structured methods)
   POP 8129; 91081 Jerusalem; Israel; Tel: +972-2-376459; Fax: +972-2-781406;
      [email]
ADPAC Corp.  (see http://www.adpac.com/)
   ADPAC CASE Tools
   425 Market St., 4th Floor, San Francisco, CA 94105; 415-777-5400
Advanced Concepts Center (see http://www.lmco.com/acc/)
   Lockheed Martin; 640 Freedom Business Center; King of Prussia, PA  19406;
      1-800-438-7246; Fax: (610) 992-6499
Advanced Logical Software
   Anatool
   9903 Santa Monica Blvd., suite 108; Beverly Hills, CA 90212; 213-653-5786
Advanced Software Automation
   Sold intellectual property rights to Hindsight tool in 1995 to IntegriSoft
      Inc..
   3130A Coronado Dr.; Santa Clara, CA 95054; Tel: 800-4-ASAINC; 800-427-2462;
      Fax: 408-492-1669
Advanced Software Technologies, Inc.  (see http://www.advancedsw.com/infopage)
   Graphical Designer
   7800 S. Elati Street, Suite 205, Littleton, CO 80120-4456; Tel.
      800-811-2784; 303-730-7981; FAX: 303-730-7983; [email]
Advanced System Technologies Inc.
   Renamed to AST Engineering Services, Inc. in January 1997.
Advanced Technology International, Inc.
   SuperCase (back-end, RE/M)
   Corporate HQ: 1501 Broadway, Suite 1314; New York, NY 10036; (212) 826-8855;
      fax to developers in Tel Aviv: +972-3-499990
   West Coast Office: 8950 Villa La Jolla Drive, Suite 1200; La Jolla, CA
      92037; Tel: (619) 453-3050
AGS Management Systems, Inc.
   Multi/CAM (front-end)
   880 First Ave.; King of Prussia, PA 19406; 215-265-1550
American Management Systems, Inc.
   Life Cycle Productivity System (front-end, back-end)
   1777 North Kent St.; Arlington, VA 22209; 703-841-6060
Andersen Consulting (see http://www.ac.com/)
   FOUNDATION (cooperative processing)
   33 West Monroe St.; Chicago, IL 60603
   69 West Washington; Chicago, IL 60602; 312-580-0069; 312-580-0033;
      312-507-5161
Applied Business Technology Corp.
   Project Workbench
   361 Broadway; New York, NY 10013; 212-219-8945
Applied Data Research, Inc.
   DEPICTOR (front-end)
   Route 206 and Orchard Rd.; CN-8; Princeton, NJ 08543
Applied Dynamics International (ADI) (see http://www.adi.com/)
   BEACON (embedded software development tool) 3800 Stone School Road; Ann
      Arbor, MI 48108-2499 USA; Tel. (313) 973-1300; FAX: (313) 668-0012;
      [email]
APPX Software, Inc.  (see http://www.appx.com/)
   APPX (4th Generation, Rapid Application Development)
   1100 Boulders Parkway; Richmond, VA 23225; Tel. 800-879-2779; [email]
Ascent Logic Corporation
   RDD-100 (systems engineering, requirements analysis)
   180 Rose Orchard Way, Suite 200; San Jose, CA 95134; phone: 408-943-0630;
      FAX:  408-943-0705
AST Engineering Services, Inc.  (see http://www.astes.com/)
   QASE (information systems engineering environment)
   12200 E. Briarwood Ave., Suite 260; Englewood, Colorado 80112; Fax: (303)
      790-2816; Tel: (303) 790-4242; [email]
ASYST Technologies, Inc.
   The Developer
   One Naperville Plaza; Naperville, IL 60540
ATA, Inc.  (see http://www.docexpress.com/)
   DocEXPRESS (Automated Documentation, Document Publishing, Database
      Publishing)
   3528 Torrance Blvd,  Suite 214, Torrance Ca. 90503; (attn: Cliff Sadler);
      Voice: (310)-316-6350; Fax: (310)-316-3982; [email]
Atria Software (see http://www.atria.com/)
   ClearCase
   24 Prime Park Way, Natick, MA 01760; tel. (508)-650-5100; [email]
Attar Software Limited (see http://www.attar.com/)
   XpertGen (C Code generation, Knowledge Based Systems)
   Newlands Road, Leigh, Lancashire WN7 4HN, England; Tel:44 (0)1942 608844;
      Fax: 44 (0)1942 601991; [email]
B-Core(UK) Ltd.  (see http://www.b-core.com/)
   B-Toolkit (B-Method complete tool support)
   Oxford Science Park, Oxford OX4 4GA, UK; Tel: +44 1865 784520; Fax: +44 1865
      784518; [email]
Bachman Information Systems
   Merged with Cadre Technlogies in July 1996 to form Cayenne Software.
BAeSEMA Limited (see http://baesema.co.uk/)
   Principia (Front end, repository); Principia/SSADM (Front end, SSADM,
      Analysis and Design); Principia/RAD (Front end prototyping with Visual
      Basic); Principia/PRINCE (project management support); Advanced
      Development Dictionary ADD (CA-Ingres database administration,
      repository); Perfect Impact (CA-Ingres database administration); Lifespan
      (configuration management)
   BAeSEMA Limited; Apex Tower; 7 High Street; New Malden; Surrey; KT3 4LH;
      United Kingdom; +44 181 942 9661; +44 181 942 9771;
BDQ Business Solutions (see http://members.AOL.com/BDQ/)
   SoftTest (Requirements Based Testing); VisionSoft Suite (Multi-Platform,
      Coverage, RunTime Error Checking, Project Statistics); VisionSoft
      DataVision (High Performance Portable Embedded Database)
   19 Woodend Drive, Ascot, Berkshire SL5 9BD, England; +44 1344 21161; Fax:
      +44 1344 873679; [email]; [email]
Bell-Northern Research
   ObjecTime now supplied through ObjecTime Ltd.
Bellcore (see http://www.bellcore.com)
   MYNAH (Business Flow Tester; see
      http://www.bellcore.com/ADAPTX/mynahbft.html)
   8 Corporate Place, Room 3A184 (IDS); Piscataway, NJ 08854 USA;
      phone:    800-521-2673; 908-699-5800; fax: 908-336-2559; web-
      [email]
Bender and Associates (see http://www.softtest.com/)
   SoftTest (Requirements Based Testing)
   PO Box 849, Larkspur, CA 94977, USA; (415) 924 9196; Fax: (415) 924 3020;
      [email]
Berard Software Engineering
   Berard Object and Class Specifier (BOCS)
   902 Wind River Lane, Suite 203; Gaitherburg, Maryland 20878; 301-417-9884;
      Fax: (301) 417 0021; [email]
Bluestone (see http://www.bluestone.com/)
   UIM/X (GUI development); db-UIM/X (GUI development, database applications)
   1000 Briggs Road; Mt. Laurel, NJ 08054; Phone: (609)727-4600; Fax:
      (609)778-8125; [email]
Bullseye Testing Technology (see http://www.bullseye.com/)
   C-Cover (test coverage analyzer, measurement)
   PO BOX 3428; Redmond WA 98073-3428 [email]
Cadre Technologies, Inc
   Merged with Bachman Information Systems in July 1996 to form Cayenne
      Software.
The CADWARE Group, Ltd
   SYLVA Series (front-end)
CASE Methods Development Corp.
   Renamed to CMD Corporation.
CaseWare, Inc.
   Renamed to Continuus Software Corporation.
CASEWorks, Inc.
   CASE:PM
   1 Dunwoody Park, Suite 130; Atlanta, GA 30338; FAX: 404-399-6236
The Catalyst Group
   PATHVU Series (RE/M)
   Peat Marwick Main & Co.; 303 East Wacker Dr.; Chicago, IL 60601 312-938-5352
CAST Software Inc.  (see http://www.castsoftware.com/)
   CAST Workbench (change management environment)
   735 Montgomery Street;  San Francisco; CA  94131; USA; (415) 296-1300; (415)
      296-1313#; [email]
CARDtools Systems Corp.  (see http://www.cardtools.com/)
   CARDtools (real-time)
   101 Metro Drive, Suite 250; San Jose, California 95110-1314; Phone
      408-894-9500; FAX 408-894-9600; [email]
Catalyst Software Ltd (see http://www.cse.dcu.ie/catalyst)
   Juggler (Project Management; see http://www.cse.dcu.ie/catalyst/juggler)
   165 Howth Road, Dublin 3, Ireland.   Tel: +353-1-833-0881; Fax:
      +353-1-833-0882; [email]
Cayenne Software (see http://www.cayennesoft.com/)
   ObjectTeam (collaborative object-oriented development; see
      http://www.cayennesoft.com/objectteam/); Teamwork (structured analysis
      and design; see http://www.cayennesoft.com/teamwork/); Vantage Team
   8 New England Executive Park, Burlington, MA 01803 USA; Tel: 800-528-2388,
      617-273-9003; Fax: 617-229-9904; [email]
CGI Systems, Inc.  (see http://www.cgisystems.com/)
   PACBase, PACBench, PACDesign, Transform (front-end, back-end, RE/M)
   1 Blue Hill Plaza; Pearl River, NY 10965; 914-735-5030
Chen & Associates
   ER-Designer (ERD)
   4884 Constitution Ave, Ste 1E; Baton Rouge, LA 70808; 504-928-5765
Cincom Systems, Inc.
   Supra; Mantis; Easy PC Contact; CASE Interchange
   2300 Montana Ave.; Cincinnati, OH 45211; 800-888-0115
CMD Corporation
   CASE/FRAMEWORK--METHODOLOGY, CASE/FRAMEWORK--SYNERGY (Information
      Engineering)
   100 N. Central Exwy.; Suite 710; Richardson, TX 75080; tel: 972-644-8173
      fax: 974-644-8175
CodeME s.a.r.l.  (see http://www.codeme.com/)
   CMZ (configuration management; see http://www.codeme.com/cmz/)
   14 Rue de l'Eglise, F-01630 St. Genis-Pouilly, France; +33 50420914; FAX +33
      50420914; [email]
Coding Factory
   CoFac (Cobol, code generator)
   100 Netro Park South; Laurence Harbor, NJ 08878; 908-290-0090
Cognos
   PowerCASE
   67 S. Bedford St.; Burlington, Mass. 01803; 617-229-6600
Computer Associates International, Inc.  (see http://www.cai.com/)
   CA-Datacom; CA-Ideal, CA-Dataquery; CA-Dataquery PC; TELON; IDMS/Architect
   World Headquarters: One Computer Associates Plaza; Islandia, NY 11788-7000;
      1-516-DIAL CAI (1-516-342-5224); Fax 1-516-DIAL FAX (1-516-342-5329);
      [email]
Computer Data Systems, Inc.  (see http://www.cdsihq.com/)
   Scan/COBOL; SuperStructure
   1 Curie Court; Rockville, MD 20850; 301-921-7000
Computer Sciences Corp
   Design Generator (front-end)
   3610 Fairview Park Dr; Falls Church, VA 22042; 703-876-1000
Computer Systems Advisers, Inc (see http://www.silverrun.com/)
   SilverRun (business modeling, client/server system development)
   50 Tice Blvd.; Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07675; 800-537-4262; 201-391-6500
Computer Systems for Business International Eastern Europe Ltd. (CSBI EE)
   Reseller for CASE/4/0 (business process reengineering, System Analysis,
      Design, Implementation, structured Methods; from microTOOL GmbH),
      objectIF (Coad/Yourdan, Analysis,Design,Implementation, OO-Methods; from
      microTOOL GmbH); PROGRESS products (from Progress Software Corp.)
   Pobedy sqr., 2. St.-Petersburg, 196143, Russia; Fax: +7 (812) 293-3513; Tel:
      +7 (812) 293-2762, 291-8122, 293-0521, 293-0544.
Compuware Corporation (see http://www.compuware.com)
   CATI tools (Abend-AID, CICS Abend-AID, CICS RADAR, File-AID family,
      TransRELATE, PLAYBACK, File PLAYBACK, SIMULCAST, dBUG-AID, XPEDITER,
      NAVIGATOR)
   31440 Northwestern Highway; Farmington Hills, Michigan 48018-5550
Confluent, Inc.  (see http://www.confluent.com/)
   Visual Thought (diagramming and flowcharting;  for UNIX; see
      http://www.confluent.com/vt.html)
   132 Encline Court; San Francisco, CA 94127; USA; 800-780-2838 tel,
      415-586-8700 tel, 415-586-8838 fax; [email]
Continuus Software Corporation (see http://www.continuus.com)
   Continuus/CM (configuration management; formerly Amplify Control);
      Continuus/PT (problem tracking)
   108 Pacifica; Irvine, CA 92718-3332; voice: (714) 453 2200;
      [email]
Cortex Corp.
   CorVision, Application Factory (front-end, back-end, RE/M)
   138 Technology Dr.; Waltham, MA 02154
   100 Fifth Avenue; Waltham, MA 02154-9863; 617-894-7000
Cullinet Software, Inc.
   Acquired by Computer Associates in or before 1990.
D. Appleton Company
   IDEF/Leverage
   1334 Park View Ave., Suite 220; Manhattan Beach, CA 90266
DataFocus Incorporated (see http://www.datafocus.com/)
   NuTCRACKER (porting Unix programs to Windows NT)
   12450 Fair Lakes Circle, Suite 400; Fairfax, VA 22033-3831, USA; (703)
      631-6770; (703) 818 1532 Fax;
Deft Inc.
   Deft
   Acquired in 1991 by Sybase.  Deft is no longer sold, but is supported for
      customers that already have the product.  Contact
      [email].
Deloitte & Touche Consulting Group (see http://www.dttus.com)
   4Front (structured methodology; see
      http://www.dttus.com/dttus/aboutf/mc/itc/4front/4front01.htm)
   1430 Carillon; 227 W. Trade St.; Charlotte, NC; 28202-1675; USA; (704)
      372-3560; (704) 331-1631; [email]
Digital Equipment Corp.  (see http://www.digital.com/)
   COHESIONworX; COHESION Team/SEE; COHESION ASD/SEE; DEC FUSE; DECset (see
      index at http://www.digital.com/info/key-case-tools-index.html)
   USA: DECdirect; Continental Blvd.; Merrimack, NH 03054; 1-800-DIGITAL;
      [email] (see DECdirect home page at
      http://www.service.digital.com/ddi/html/ddhome.html)
   Other countries: See contacts list at
      http://www.digital.com/info/misc/contacts.txt.html
Digital Insight (see http://www.csn.net/digins/)
   Robochart (flow diagram editor; see http://www.csn.net/digins/prodinfo.html)
   P.O. Box 533; Simi Valley, CA 93062-0533; USA; phone: (805) 583-3627; fax:
      (805) 583-3809; [email]
Digital Tools Inc.
   AutoPLAN (project scheduling tool)
   18900 Stevens Creek Blvd.; Cupertino, California 95014; phone: 408-366-6920;
      fax:   408-446-2140
Eastern Systems Inc.  (see http://www.easternsystems.com/)
   TestPlan (test management; see
      http://www.easternsystems.com/products/testplan.html); TestBed
      (static/dynamic analysis test toolset; see
      http://www.easternsystems.com/products/testbed.html); TestDesigner
      (testing tools; see
      http://www.easternsystems.com/products/testdesigner.html); TestWeb
      (benchmarking, client/server, testing tools); SQA Suite (client/server,
      testing tools; see http://www.easternsystems.com/products/sqasuite.html)
   P.O. Box 1087; Westboro; MA; 01581; 508-366-3223; Fax 508-366-1520;
      [email]
ECS Associates
   SQL-Link-Plus
   3812 Sepulveda Blvd.; Torrance, CA 90505; 213-378-9260
Eslog Genie logiciel
   Andromede (IPSE (incl. CMS - Tools Mngt - Architecture Mngt))
   4bis BuroSpace; 91571 BIEVRES Cedex; Tel: (33-1) 69-85-51-51; Fax: (33-1)
      69-85-50-18; [email]
EVB Software Engineering, Inc.
   Paradigm Plus / EVB Edition (OOAD (Unix and DOS)); HeragrapH (Ada 2D/3D
      Graphics, GUI toolkit (Unix/X windows and DOS)); GRACE (Reusable Ada
      Software Components); RLT (Reuse Library Toolset (Unix and DOS)); Ada,
      Object Oriented Development and Software Engineering Training;
   5303 Spectrum Drive,; Frederick, MD 21701; VOICE 301-695-6960 FAX
      301-695-7734; [email]
Evergreen Software Tools (see http://www.esti.com/)
   EasyCASE Professional 4.2; Database Engineer; EasyER; EasyER for Visual
      Basic; EasyER for PowerBuilder; EasyER for Visual Basic & PowerBuilder
   15444 NE 95th Street, Suite 244; Redmond, WA  98052; Tel: (206)881-5149;
      Fax: (206)883-7676
Excel Software (see http://www.excelsoftware.com/)
   MacA&D (multi-methodology, Macintosh) WinA&D (multi-methodology, Windows 95)
   P.O. Box 1414, Marshalltown, IA 50158  USA; ph. 515-752-5359;  fax
      515-752-2435; [email]; [email]
Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI) (see http://www.fzi.de)
   STONE
   Haid-und-Neu-Str. 10-14; D-76131 Karlsruhe, Germany; +49-721-9654-731
GOOFEE Systems Pty Ltd (see http://www.goofee.com/)
   GOOFEE Diagrammer (embedded real-time systems)
   [email]
Hewlett-Packard (see http://www.hp.com/)
   Distributed Smalltalk (see http://www.ses.hp.com/products/dst/main.html);
      SoftBench (SoftBench C/C++, SoftBench COBOL) (software development
      environment; see http://www.dmo.hp.com/sesd/products/main.html);
      SoftBench Configuration Managment (configuration management; see
      http://www.dmo.hp.com/sesd/products/softcm/main.html); UIM/X (GUI
      builder; see http://www.dmo.hp.com/sesd/products/uimx/main.html)
   3404 E. Harmony Rd, MS 81; Ft. Collins, CO  80525;
   Distributed Smalltalk contact: tel: (408) 447-4722; [email]
   SoftBench contact: tel: (800) 742-6795.
i-Logix Inc.  (see http://www.ilogix.com/)
   Rhapsody (OOAD)
   Three Riverside Drive, Andover, MA 01810; Tel: 508 682-2100; Toll Free: 888
      8 ILOGIX; Fax: 508 682-5995; [email]
IBM
   CMVC (configuration management, version control; see
      http://www.qucis.queensu.ca/Software-Engineering/blurb/cmvc)
ICONIX Software Engineering Inc.  (see http://www.biap.com/iconix/)
   PowerTools Series (OOAD); Object Methodology Overview (interactive CD-Rom
      course)
   2800 28th St, Suite 320; Santa Monica, CA 90405; 310-458-0092; FAX
      310-396-3454; [email]
i-Logix
   StateMate
   22 Third Ave.; Burlington, MA 01803; 617-272-8090
Imagix Corporation (see http://www.imagix.com/)
   Imagix 4D (reverse-engineering and documentation for C/C++; see
      http://www.imagix.com/products/imagix4d.html); Imagix 2000 (year 2000
      analysis and assessment for C/C++; see
      http://www.imagix.com/products/imagix2000.html)
   6025 White Oak Lane; San Luis Obispo; CA; 93401; USA; 1.805.781.6002;
      1.805.781.6003; [email]
Index Technology Corp.  Merged with Sage Software Inc. to form Intersolv.
InfoModelers, Inc.  (see http://www.infomodelers.com/)
   InfoModeler 3.0 (database modeling)
   110 110th Ave NE, Suite 409; Bellevue, WA 98004-5840; Phone (425) 637-2499;
      Fax (425) 454-7696; Sales (800) 963-0030; General Sales
      [email]; Information [email]
Information Engineering Technology Ltd.  (see http://www.iet.co.uk/)
   GuardIEn (configuration management for TI Composer tool); IRIS (IEF/Composer
      report development aid); CSE-Assist (add-on for TI Composer c/s
      encyclopaedia)
   The Old School House, Hurstwood Road, Otterden, Kent ME13 0BX, UK;
      [email]; FAX: +44 (0) 1622 858 649
Information Processing Ltd. (IPL) (see http://www.iplbath.com/)
   Cantata (C/C++ dynamic testing, coverage analysis, metrics tool; see
      http://www.iplbath.com/p13.htm), AdaTEST (Ada dynamic testing, coverage
      analysis, metrics tool; see http://www.iplbath.com/p14.htm)
   Eveleigh House, Grove Street, Bath BA1 5LR, UK; Phone:+44-(0)1225-444888;
      Fax: +44-(0)1225-444400; [email]
Innovative Software (see http://www.isg.de)
   OEW for C++ (class + relationship diagrams, code explorer, round-trip
      engineering, documentation), OEW for Java (class + relationship diagrams,
      code explorer, round-trip engineering, documentation)
   Kaiserstrasse  65 ; 60329 Frankfurt;; ; Germany; +49 69 236929; +49 69
      236930; [email]
Insoft Ky
   Prosa
   P.O.Box 9; SF-90101 Oulu; Finland; tel. +358-81-226128; fax. +358-81-221754
Institute for Information Industry
   KangaTool Series (front-end)
   8th Floor, 106 Ho-Ping E. Rd.; Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C.
Institute of Applied Computer Science (IFAD) (see http://www.ifad.dk/)
   VDM-SL Toolbox (see http://www.ifad.dk/products/toolbox.html); VDM-to-C++
      Code Generator (see http://www.ifad.dk/products/codegen.html); Dynamic-
      link facility (add-on to VDM-SL Toolbox; see
      http://www.ifad.dk/products/dlmodule.html); VDM++ Toolbox (see
      http://www.ifad.dk/products/vdmppproducts.html); VENUS solution (VDM++
      Toolbox combined with ObjectPartner from Verilog; see
      http://www.ifad.dk/products/venus.html); VDM++toC++ code generator (see
      http://www.ifad.dk/products/cppcg.html)
   Forskerparken 10, DK-5230 Odense M, Denmark; Phone: +45-63157131; Fax:
      +45-65-932999; [email]
Integrated Computer Solutions (ICS) (see http://www.ics.com/)
   BX (GUI builder for C, C++ & Java); DX (GUI development, database
      applications); ViewKit (C++ Framework for Motif); EPak (Package of 27
      Motif Widgets)
   ICS, 201 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 USA; [email], voice:
      617-621-0060; Fax: 516-621-9555; general inquiries: [email];
      updates: [email] (Mark Hatch)
Interactive Software Engineering (see http://www.eiffel.com/)
   EiffelCase
   270 Storke Road #7; Goleta, CA USA 93117; 805/685-1006; [email]
Intasoft
   SMS (configuration management)
   153 Sweetbrier Lane; Exeter EX1 3DG; England
Integrated Systems, Inc.
   AutoCode; MATRIXx/Systembuild
   3260 Jay Street; Santa Clara, CA  95054-3309; (408) 980-1500
IntegriSoft Inc.  (see http://www.integrisoft.com/)
   Hindsight (ASA20/20, SQA, TCA)
   3150 Almaden Expressway; Suite 150; San Jose, CA 95118; Tel:  408-266-8801;
      Fax-408-266-8802; [email]
IntelliBase nv/sa
   RIDL* (I-CASE: for Nijssen's Information Analysis Method)
   Plantin en Moretuslei 220; B-2018 Antwerp; BELGIUM; tel. (+32) 3 235 9596
      fax. (+32) 3 235-7955
IntelliCorp (see http://www.intellicorp.com/)
   LiveModel (OOAD: Martin/Odell methodology); PowerModel (Client/server, OO
      development environment); Kappa-PC (OO development environment: for
      desktop applications)
   US: 1975 El Camino Real West; Mountain View, CA 94040; TEL: 415-965-5500;
      FAX: 415-965-5647;
   International: IntelliCorp Ltd; Unit 6, Bracknell Beeches; Old Bracknell
      Lane West; Bracknell, Berks RG127BW; Tel: 44-1-344-305305; Fax:
      44-1-344-305100
Interactive Development Environments (see http://www.ide.com/)
   Software through Pictures (front-end; now a family of products with names
      beginning StP/); StP/OMT (object-oriented analysis and design), StP/Booch
      (object-oriented analysis and design), StP/ClassCapture (reverse
      engineering; for C++ and Smalltalk), StP/IM (information modeling),
      StP/SE (structured analysis and design), StP/RevC (C reverse
      engineering), StP/T (test case generator), StP/BPR (business process
      reengineering)
   595 Market St., 10th Floor; San Francisco, CA 94105; 415-543-0900;
      [email]
International Software Automation, Inc.  (see
      http://www.softwareautomation.com)
   Panorama C/C++ (back-end; see http://www.softwareautomation.com/index.htm);
      Panorama-2 (testing tools; see
      http://www.softwareautomation.com/year2000.htm); Panorama OO-Test (test
      coverage analyzer; see
      http://www.softwareautomation.com/www/test_use.htm); Panorama OO-SQA
      (metrics; see http://www.softwareautomation.com/www/sqa_use.htm);
      Panorama OO-Analyzer (automated documentation; see
      http://www.softwareautomation.com/statican.htm); Panorama OO-Browser
      (program understanding for C & C++; see
      http://www.softwareautomation.com/www/reengin.htm); Panorama OO-
      Diagrammer (diagramming and flowcharting; see
      http://www.softwareautomation.com/www/reengin.htm); Panorama OO-Playback
      (C/C++ dynamic testing; see
      http://www.softwareautomation.com/year2000.htm); Panorama OO-DefectTracer
      (problem tracing; see http://www.softwareautomation.com/year2000.htm);
      Panorama OO-MemoryChecker (testing; see
      http://www.softwareautomation.com/year2000.htm)
   7677 Oakport St. #105; Oakland; California; 94621; USA; 510-632-6688;
      510-632-3388; [email]
INTERSOLV (see http://www.intersolv.com/)
   APS Development Center (client/server development environment; see
      http://www.intersolv.com/aps.html); C++/Views (object-oriented
      application framework; see http://www.intersolv.com/cpls.html);
      DataDirect (multi-database development; see
      http://www.intersolv.com/direct.html); Excelerator II (I-CASE (front-end,
      back-end, RE/M); see http://www.intersolv.com/exc.html); Maintenance
      Workbench (see http://www.intersolv.com/bench.html); PVCS (configuration
      management; see http://www.intersolv.com/pvcs.html); Q+E (multi-database
      query and reporting; see http://www.intersolv.com/qe.html)
   Corporate HQ: 3200 Tower Oaks Blvd.; Rockville, Maryland 20852;
      301-230-3200; 1-800-777-8858
   International HQ: Abbey View; Everard Close; St. Albans; Herts AL1 2PS
      United Kingdom; Tel: 0727812812
   Merger of Index Technology Corp. and Sage Software Inc..
IPSYS Software Plc (see http://www.ipsys.com/)
   OBJECT IE (client/server application builder, Information Engineering);
      SSADM 2.1 (SSADM V4+); ToolBuilder (meta CASE tool); HOOD (HOOD method
      toolset)
   Marlborough Court,; Pickford Street,; MACCLESFIELD, Cheshire, SK11 6JD
      United Kingdon; Tel: +44 625 616722; [email]
ISDE Metasoft Ltd.
   SSADM4+sf (SSADM V4+, SQL code generation; v4.2 launched 2/5/95); Texel-sf
      (OOAD, C++ code generation); Designer+sf (Metamodelling; code generation
      for MWB); Methods Workbench (MWB) (meta CASE tool); ODF-Designer
      (Metamodelling; UREP/ODL generation); Business Integration facility (BIf)
      (business process reengineering)
   329-331 London Road, Camberley, Surrey GU15 3HQ, UK
   Sales:    (44) (0)1276 679499; Fax: (44) (0)1276 679498;
      [email]
   Support: (01425) 461580; Fax: (44) (0)1425 474233
      [email]
   See also VSF NA Inc.
Kennedy Carter (see http://www.kc.com/)
   Intelligent OOA (I-OOA, I-SIM) (Shlaer-Mellor OOA/RD)
   14 The Pines, Broad Street, Guildford, Surrey  GU3 3BH, U.K.; Tel:  +44 1483
      483 200; Fax:  +44 1483 483 201;
   Sales: [email]
   General Information: [email]
Kim, Prof. Tae Gyun
   Object-Oriented Designer (OOAD, freeware, OMT; see
      http://www.pufs.ac.kr/~ktg/ood.html)
   [email]
KL Group Inc.  (see http://www.klg.com/)
   JClass (JClass Chart, JClass LiveTable, JClass BWT) (Java Development
      Tools); Olectra (Olectra Chart) (ActiveX Controls); XRT (XRT/graph,
      XRT/field, XRT/table, XRT/3d, XRT/gear) (Motif Widgets)
   260 King Street E., Toronto, Ontario Canada M5A 1K3; [email], voice:
      416-594-1026 or 800-663-4723; Fax: 416-594-1919; general inquiries:
      [email]; updates: [email] (Paula Capstick)
Knowledge Based Systems, Inc (see http://www.kbsi.com/)
   AI0 WIN (Function Modeling, Activity Based Costing Support; see
      http://www.kbsi.com/products/ai0win.html); SmartER (Information Modeling,
      Database Generation; see http://www.kbsi.com/products/smarter.html);
      ProCap/ProSim (Process Modeling, Simulation Support; see
      http://www.kbsi.com/products/prosim.html); SmartClass (Object-oriented
      Design, C++ Code Generation; see
      http://www.kbsi.com/products/smartcls.html); SmartCost (Knowledge Based
      Cost Estimation; see http://www.kbsi.com/products/smrtcost.html); ProSys
      (Rapid Application Development; see
      http://www.kbsi.com/products/prosys.html)
   Corporate Headquarters: One KBSI Place; 1500 University Drive East; College
      Station, Texas 77840; Phone: 409.260.KBSI; Fax: 409.260.1965;
      [email]
KnowledgeWare, Inc.
   Acquired by Sterling Software on November 20, 1994.
Language Technology
   Defunct; products acquired by KnowledgeWare, Inc., itself acquired by Cadre.
LDRA Group of Companies
   LDRA Testbed (static/dynamic analysis test toolset; see
      http://www.qucis.queensu.ca/Software-Engineering/blurb/LDRA)
   (ALL E-mail [email])
   LDRA Technology Inc.: 3000-3 Hartley Road, Jacksonville, FL 32257, USA; 904
      268 3267; Fax: 904 268 0733.
   Program Analysers Ltd,: 56a Northbrook Street, Newbury, Berks, RG13 1AN, UK;
      0635 528828; Fax: 0635 528657.
   LDRA Technologie S.A.: Off Shore Voie No1, BP17 Batiment Stratege, 31312
      Labege, Cedex, France; 33 61 39 77 77; Fax: 33 61 39 23 22.
Learmonth & Burchett Management Systems, Inc. (LBMS)
   System Engineer (nee Auto-Mate Plus)
   1800 West Loop South, Suite 1800; Houston, TX 77027; 713-682-8530
      800-231-7515
Level One Consulting srl
   Level/1-User Sensitive CASE (OO lower CASE;  with powerful query engine)
   000 Via Monte Viglio, 57; Pescara; PE; 65124; ITALY; +39-(0)85-4153380;
      +39-(0)-4153380; [email]
Logic Works (see http://www.logicworks.com/)
   ERwin (data modeling, client/server applications; see
      http://www.logicworks.com/products/); BPwin (business process
      reengineering; see http://www.logicworks.com/products/bpwin/bpwin.html);
      OOwin (object-oriented modeling; see
      http://www.logicworks.com/products/oowin/oowin.html)
   University Square at Princeton; 111 Campus Drive; Princeton NJ  08540;
      800-78ERWIN; 609-514-1177; [email]
MacroProject
   CASE.Analyst (structured analysis)
   Archangelskyj pereulok, 1; Moscow, Russia 101934
MAGEC Software
   MAGEC (full life-cycle, Cobol, database applications)
   1603 LBJ Freeway, Ste 880, Dallas, TX 75234; 800-336-2432 214-746-4000
Magna Software Corp.
   MAGNA X (3-tier CS/TP Application Generator)
   20th Floor, 275 Seventh Avenue; New York, NY 10001; 212/691-0300
      [email]
Manager Software Products, Inc.
   Manager Series (front-end, back-end)
   131 Hartwell Ave; Lexington, MA 02173-3126; 617-863-5800
Mathworks
   MATLAB/Simulink
   24 Prime Park Way; Natick, MA  01760-1520; (508) 653-1415
Mark V Systems, Ltd.
   ObjectMaker 2.1 (aka Adagen) (full life-cycle)
   16400 Ventura Blvd., Suite 303; Encino, CA 91436; 818-995-7671 (voice)
      818-995-4267 (fax); [email]
Matterhorn, Inc.
   HIBOL (back-end)
McCabe & Associates (see http://www.mccabe.com/)
   Visual Quality ToolSet (metrics); Visual Testing ToolSet (testing code
      coverage); Visual Reengineering ToolSet (code visualization, metrics)
   5501 Twin Knolls Road, Suite 111; Columbia, Maryland 21045; 800-638-6316;
      FAX: 1-410-720-0192; [email]
McDonnell Information Systems (MDIS)
   ProKit*WORKBENCH, PRO-IV Workbench (windows ver of DOS ProKit) (upper CASE);
      PRO-IV Application Development (lower CASE)
   14311 Windcreek Dr., Chesterfield, Mo. 63017; (314) 214-4025 phone; (314)
      214-4030 fax
MEGA International (see http://mega.com)
   Procedure Design (flow diagram editor, documentation generator); Procedure
      Analysis&Design  (tool; enterprise; see for)suite System Architecture
      (structured analysis with architecture modeling); IS-Object Analysis
      (object-oriented analysis and design, UML); Application Analysis&Design
      (structured analysis and design); Database Builder (data modeling,
      Database Generation); Object Prototype (prototyping); MEGA (repository,
      suite of CASE tools, full life-cycle)
   10 boulevard du Montparnasse; Paris; ; F-75015; France; 33 1 42 75 40 00; 33
      1 42 75 40 96; [email]
Mentor Graphics Corp.
   Analyst/RT, Designer, Auditor (front-end)
   8500 Southwest Creekside Place; Beaverton, OR 97005; 503-626-7000
Meridian Software Systems, Inc.
   OpenSELECT CASE (front-end)
   10 Pasteur Street; Irvine, CA 92718; 714-727-0700 (ext. 224) fax:
      714-727-3583
Meta Systems
   QuickSpec, Structured Architect (SA), Structured Architect-Integrator (SA-
      I), PSL/PSA, Report Specification Interface (RSI), View Integration
      System (VIS) (front-end, RE/M)
   315 E. Eisenhower Parkway, Suite 200; Ann Arbor, MI 48108; 313-663-6027
MetaCase Consulting OY (see http://www.jsp.fi/metacase/)
   MetaEdit (meta CASE tool; supports most methods)
   Ylistonmaentie 31, FIN-40500 Jyvaskyla; tel. +358-14-4451 400;  fax
      +358-14-4451 405.
Micro Focus, Inc.
   COBOL/2 Workbench
   2465 East Bayshore Rd.; Palo Alto, CA 94303; 415-856-4161
MicroGold Software Inc.  (see http://www.microgold.com/)
   WITH CLASS (Object Oriented software engineering)
   76 Linda Lane, Edison, NJ 08820, USA; voice - 908.668.4779; fax -
      908.668.4386; [email]
microTOOL GmbH (see http://www.microTOOL.de/)
   case/4/0 (business process reengineering, System Analysis, Design,
      Implementation, structured Methods; see http://www.microTOOL.de/case40/);
      objectiF (Coad/Yourdan, Analysis,Design,Implementation, OO-Methods; see
      http://www.microTOOL.de/objectiF)
   Voltastr. 5; D-13355 Berlin; Tel: ++49 30 467 086 0; Fax: ++49 30 464 471 4;
      [email]
Midius Art&Science
   Object Plant (OOA/OOD/OOP OMT/UML tool; see
      http://www.softsys.se/ObjectPlant/)
   6B Fredmansgatan;  Stockholm; SE-11847; Sweden; [email]
Mortice Kern Systems (see http://www.mks.com/)
   MKS Source Integrity (change management for client/server to Web; see
      http://www.mks.com/solution/si/); MKS Integrity Engine (change management
      for Web; see http://www.mks.com/solution/ie/); MKS Toolkit (migration
      tool from UNIX to PC; see http://www.mks.com/solution/tk/); MKS
      Professional Services (custom integration, training, support; see
      http://www.mks.com/support/)
   Mortice Kern Systems Inc.; 185 Columbia Street West; Waterloo, Ontario N2L
      5Z5; Contact name: Margaret E. Dobbin; (519) 884-2251; FAX (519)
      884-8861; (800)265-2797; [email]
Netron, Inc.  (see http://www.netron.com/)
   NETRON/CAP (Suite of CASE tools TEXT development); NETRON/Client (Suite of
      CASE tools, GUI development); NETRON/Connect (Client/server: add on for
      NETRON/CAP or Client); NETRON/Fusion (see
      http://www.netron.com/products/fusion.htm); NETRON/Renovator (re-
      engineering; see http://www.netron.com/products/renovatr.htm);
      NETRON/Catalyst (multi-layer, client/server; see
      http://www.netron.com/products/catalyst.htm) CAPLink to Bachman (GUI or
      Text development from Bachman/Analyst)
   Platforms: DOS, OS/2, Windows, AIX, IBMCICS, TSO, ISPF, VAXVMS, WANGVS,
      IBMIMS, and AS400.
   Languages: COBOL, COBOL II, Java, Power Builder, Visual Basic.
   99 St. Regis Crescent N; Downsview, Ontario; Canada M3J 1Y9; 416-636-8333
Object International, Inc.
   OOAtool (object-oriented analysis)
   8140 N. MoPac Expwy, 4-200; Austin, TX 78759-8864 USA (512) 795-0202
      (voice); (512) 795-0332 (fax)
ObjecTime Ltd.  (see http://www.objectime.com/)
   ObjecTime (real-time object-oriented)
   ObjecTime Limited,; 340 March Road, Suite 200, Kanata, Ontario, Canada
      K2K 2E4; telephone: 1-800-567-TIME; (613) 592-3128; fax: (613) 591-3784;
      [email]
Objective Spectrum, Inc.
   BridgePoint tools now provided by Project Technology, Inc.
Objectory Corporation
   Objectory Support Environment
   North American office: Objectory Corp; 300 Atlantic Street, Suite 1111;
      Stamford, CT 06901; Voice: (203) 363 7555; Fax: (203) 363 7556;
      [email]
   Main office: Objectory AB; PO Box 1128; S-116 24 Kista; Sweden; Voice: +46 8
      703 45 30; Fax: +46 8 751 30 96; [email]
   German/European office: Objectory GmbH; WeltenburgerStrasse 70; D-816 77
      Munich; Germany; Voice: +49 89 92 404 222; Fax: +49 89 92 404 200
On-Line Software International
   AD/VANCE DataModeler
   2 Executive Dr.; Ft. Lee Executive Park; Ft. Lee, NJ 07024; 201-592-0009
Optima, Inc.
   DesignVision 1.7, DesignMachine 2.0 (front-end, back-end)
Oracle Systems Corp.  (see http://www.oracle.com/)
   CASE*Designer; CASE*Dictionary; CASE*Generator; SQL*Forms; SQL*Report;
      SQL*QMX; Oracle; SQL*Louder
   Oracle World Headquarters; 500 Oracle Pkwy; Redwood Shores, CA 94065
      415-506-7000
   ORACLE Corporation; 20 Davis Drive; Belmont, CA 94002; 800-345-DBMS
Pansophic Systems Inc.
   Acquired by Computer Associates in 1991.
Parallel Performance Group, Inc.  (see http://www.ppgsoft.com/ppgsoft/)
   objectiF (object-oriented CASE tool); case/4/0 (IEF-based CASE tool); Wizdom
      Pro (object-oriented application generator); Oberon/F (object-oriented
      language/development environment); Eiffel 3 (object-oriented
      language/development environment); LOOX (GUI design tool); RIPPEN
      (graphical DSP programmming tool, real-time multiprocessing)
   450 Jordan Road, Suite E, Sedona, AZ 86336, USA; tel: (520) 282-6300; fax:
      (520) 774-0896; [email]
ParcPlace Systmems (see http://www.qucis.queensu.ca/Software-
      Engineering/blurb/parcplace)
   Objectworks\C++, Objectworks\Smalltalk (back-end)
   Corporate HQ: 999 E. Arques; Sunnyvale, CA 94086-4593; Tel: (408) 481.9090
      Fax: (408) 481.9095; [email]
Performance Awareness Corp.
   preVue; preVue-X; XStudio
   8521 Six Forks Rd., Suite 200; Raleigh, NC 27615, USA; Phone: (919)
      870-8800; [email]
Phoenix Technologies, Ltd.
   P-Source; P-Tools
   846 University Ave.; Norwood, MA 02062; 617-551-4000
Platinum Technology, Inc.  (see http://www.platinum.com/clearlake/)
   Paradigm Plus (OOAD, reverse engineering, meta CASE)
   17629 El Camino Real Suite 202, Houston TX 77058; 713-480-3233 FAX
      713-480-6606
Popkin Software & Systems (see http://www.popkin.com/)
   System Architect
   11 Park Place, NY, NY 10007; tel. 212-571-3434; fax. 212-571-3436
Powersoft (see http://www.powersoft.com/)
   Powerbuilder (client/server application builder; see
      http://www.powersoft.com/products/devtools/pb50/); S-Designor (database
      application builder; see
      http://www.powersoft.com/services/support/designor/)
   Corporate headquarters: 561 Virginia Road ; Concord, MA 01742-2732; tel.
      508-287-1500; sales: 800-395-3525
   Design products division: One Westbrook Corporate Center, Suite 805,
      Westchester, IL 60154, USA; Phone: (708) 947 4250; Fax: (708) 947 4251;
      [email]
Prescient Software, Inc.
   Merge Ahead
   3494 Yuba Avenue; San Jose, CA 95117-2967; [email]; tel:
      408-985-1824; fax: 408-985-1936
PROCASE Corporation
   SMARTsystem; C/Spot/Run
   A former employee reports that as of late 1995 this company changed its name
      and shortly thereafer went out of business.  Please DO NOT call their
      former 1-800-777-4776 number, as it has be reassigned to a completely
      different business.
Progress Software Corporation (see http://www.progress.com/)
   14 Oak Park, Bedford, MA 01730, U.S.A.; Tel: 1 617 280-4000     Fax: 1 617
      280-4901
Project Technology, Inc.  (see http://www.projtech.com/)
   BridgePoint Application Development Tool Suite (Shlaer-Mellor OOA/RD);
      BridgePoint Model Builder (OOA tool); BridgePoint Model Verifier
      (Analysis simulation & verification tool); BridgePoint Generator (Code
      generation)
   10940 Bigge Street, San Leandro, CA 94577, tel: 800/845-1489, fax:
      510/567-0250, [email]
ProMod, Inc.
   ProMod Series (front-end, back-end, RE/M)
   23685 Birtcher Dr.; El Toro, CA 92630; 714-855-3046; 800-255-2689
ProtoSoft, Inc.
   Renamed to Platinum Technology, Inc.
Quality Systems and Software, Ltd. (QSS) (see http://www.qss.co.uk/)
   DOORS (Dynamic Object-Oriented Requirements System) (database applications,
      requirements engineering)
   The Magdalen Centre, Oxford Science Park, Oxford, OX4 4GQ; Telephone +44
      1865 784285; Fax +44 1865 784286; [email]
QualTrak Corporation
   DDTS (see http://www.qucis.queensu.ca/Software-Engineering/blurb/DDTS)
   3160 De La Cruz, Suite 206, Santa Clara, California, 95054; 408-748-9500;
      FAX 408-748-8468; (product information: [email])
Rapid Prototyping Laboratory (see
      http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/research/canopus/mitchell/rpl.html)
   LOCANA (O-O Rapid Prototyping CASE Tool; see
      http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/research/canopus/mitchell/locana.html)
   [email]
Rational Software Corporation (see http://www.rational.com)
   Rational Apex (integrated interactive software engineering environment);
      Rational Rose (object-oriented analysis and design, Booch methodology);
      Rational CRC (object-oriented analysis and design, class-responsibility-
      collaboration methodology); SoDA (documentation generator); TestMate
      (testing tools); VADS (development environment for embedded systems)
   2800 San Tomas Expressway, Santa Clara, CA 95051-0951; tel. (408) 496-3600,
      1-800-RAT-1212; fax (408) 496-3636; [email]
Ready Systems Corp.
   Bought by Mentor Graphics in the early 1990's.  CARTtools product now the
      property of CARDtools Systems Corp..
Reasoning Systems Inc.
   category: reverse engineering, re-engineering
   3260 Hillview Ave.; Palo Alto, CA 94304; 415-494-6201 (voice) 415-494-8053
      (FAX); [email]
ReGenisys Corporation (see http://www.regenisys.com/)
   analyze:R intranet (Maintenance & Reengineering; see
      http://www.regenisys.com/analyze.html); datefind:R (COBOL, Year 2000; see
      http://www.regenisys.com/datefind.html); fieldfind:R (Year 2000; see
      http://www.regenisys.com/fieldfnd.html); maintain:R (Maintenance &
      Reengineering; see http://www.regenisys.com/profile.html#maintain)
   4725 North Scottsdale Road, Suite 210; Scottsdale, AZ  85251-7622; Tel.
      602-970-1131, Fax 602-970-1132; [email]
Ristanovic CASE (see http://www.RistanCASE.ch/)
   Development Assistant (browser/analyzer for C and PL/M)
   Zielackerstr. 19; CH-8304 Wallisellen-Zurich; Switzerland; Tel.: +41 1 833
      07 57; Fax: +41 1 833 06 14; [email]
SACO Software and Consulting GmbH
   CONQUEST CASE tools (RTM)
   SACO GmbH, Heckenweg 28, 97289 Thuengen, GERMANY; [email]; FAX:
      ++49 9360 5348
Sage Software Inc.  Merged with Index Technology Corp. to form Intersolv.
Sapiens International
   Perfect; Object-Modeller; Sapiens; Quix; Vision
   Sapiens USA; P.O. Box 4349, Cary, NC, 27519-4349; 1-800-858-9473
Schemacode International Inc
   Schemacode (see http://www.rgl.polymtl.ca)
   89 Gleenbrooke, suite 100; Dollard des Ormeaux, Quebec H9A 2L7 514-683-8693;
      fax 514-683-6792; [email]
SDP Technologies, Inc.
   As of April 1995, the Designor Division of Powersoft.
SELECT Software Tools (see http://www.selectst.com/)
   U.S. Headquarters: 19600 Fairchild Road, Suite 350; Irvine, California
      92912; USA; tel: (714) 477-4100; (800) 577-6633; (800) 647-6633; Fax:
      (714) 477-3232 ;
   International Headquarters: Westmoreland House, 80-86 Bath Road, Cheltenham,
      Gloucestershire, GL53 7JT, England; tel: +44 -1242-229700; Fax: +44
      -1242-229701
Sema Group (see http://www.sema.be/)
   Clyder (formal object-oriented requirements; see
      http://www.sema.be/p_clyd_g.htm)
   Sema Group Belgium: Rue de Stalle 96; 1180 Bruxelles; Phone : +32 2 333 55
      11; Fax : +32 2 333 55 22; [email]; [email]
SES, Inc.  (see http://www.ses.com/)
   SES/workbench (animation and simulation of mission-critical systems)
   4301 Westbank Dr., Bldg. A, Austin, TX 78746 USA; (512) 328-5544; FAX (512)
      327-6646; [email]
SETT, Inc.
   GRAMMI (Ada X window, GUI builder)
   5303 Spectrum Drive,; Frederick, MD 21701; (301) 695-6960; [email]
Sirius Press International, Inc.  (see http://www.siriuspress.com/)
   DocBase (class documentation browser; see
      http://www.siriuspress.com/docbaswp.htm)
   564 Mission Street, Suite 343, San Francisco, CA 94105    USA; Phone
      415/399-9810; Fax 415/399-9857
Six Sigma Case
   Canonizer
   13456 SE 27th Place; Bellevue, WA 98005; 206-643-6911
Softlab, Inc.
   Maestro (front-end, back-end, RE/M)
   1000 Abernathy Road, Suite 1000, Atlanta GA 30328-5613 Tel: 404-6688-811,
      Fax: 404-668-8812
Softstar Systems (see http://www.SoftstarSystems.com/)
   Costar (COCOMO, estimation)
   28 Ponemah Road; Amherst, NH 03031 USA; Voice: (603) 672-0987; Fax: (603)
      672-3460; [email]
Softool Corporation (see http://www.softool.com/)
   CCC/Harvest (configuration management, problem tracking, process
      management); CCC/Manager (configuration management, version control); CCC
      QuikTrak (spreadsheet version control)
   340 South Kellogg Ave., Goleta, CA 93117; 805-683-5777; [email]
Software AG of North America, Inc.
   Adabas; Natural; Construct; Predict; Predict Case; Super Natural
   11190 Sunrise Valley Drive; Reston, VA 22091; 703-860-5050
Software Architecture and Engineering
   Now Template Software, Inc..
Software Emancipation Technology, Inc.  (see http://www.setech.com/)
   DISCOVER (REENGINEER/set, REENGINEER/sw, DOC/set, REPORT/sw, DOC/sw,
      ADMIN/set, ADMIN/sw, DEVELOP/set, PROGRAM/sw, DESIGN/sw, DEBUG/sw)
      (development information system)
   Kiln Brook V, 20 Maguire Road, Lexington, MA 02173-0843; Phone: +1 (617)
      863-8900;  Fax: +1 (617) 863-5441; [email]
Software Productivity Centre (see http://www.spc.ca/)
   Metricate (metrics); SoftGuide (software process improvement); Prodoc
      (software documentation); ISOplus (ISO for software)
   450 - 1122 Mainland St.;  Vancouver; BC; V6B 5L1; Canada; Voice:
      (604)662-8181; Fax:  (604)689-0141; [email]
Software Productivity Research, Inc.
   Checkpoint, SPQR/20 (estimation, measurement, front-end)
   77 South Bedford St.; Burlington, MA 01803; 617-273-0140
Software Quality Engineering
   STEPMaster Test & Evaluation Management System (upper CASE, test management,
      work tracking)
   3000-2 Hartley Road; Jacksonville, FL   32257   USA; TEL:  904-268-8639
      FAX:  904-268-0733; [email]
Software Research, Inc.  (see http://www.soft.com/)
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Structured Solutions
   STRADIS (system development methodology)
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SunSoft (see http://www.sun.com/)
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author: Raving

subject: Facilitating the development and usage of moderation software

text:
The purpose of managing the Big-8 cluster of Usenet hierarchies is to
encourage and explore structural adjustments which make Usenet more
worthwhile for those who participate.

Towards this goal, moderation software provides a significant role. It
is plausible to see moderation software evolve to provide a
predominant, if not an essential component, of the Usenet concept.

For example and in some sense, browsers, kill files, DRM, directories
and security software are all variants of the the 'moderation' theme.

Soc.men.moderated has been paralyzed by spam flooding. Other
unmoderated groups have suffered, more or less from similar efforts of
disruption by determined intrusion.

I notice the following posted in rec.ponds.moderated.

"I am posting on behalf to the moderation team for rec.ponds.moderated
to invite all rpm posters to help fund the moderation software for the
group.

It costs $360 per year to rent the ReadyStump software that is used to
moderate posts to RPM.  The 2007 cost was covered by donations and it
is time to collect money to cover 2008. "

   http://groups.google.com/group/rec.ponds.moderated/msg/2afcf8b31d506d96

I have no comment concerning the moderators of rec.ponds.moderated
choosing to do such a thing.  I restrict myself to looking at the raw
numbers and implications in the wider sense.

In my opinion, $360 is a sizable chunk of change being paid out by a
relatively small number of participants so as to facilitate their
participation in a single Usenet newsgroup. Multiply that number by
2,500 and one is pushing $1 million. The follow on implications are
apparent.

Given the amount of time and energy expended concerning 'moderation'
in all it's manifestations, it would seem that the partnership between
Usenet management, service delivery, moderation, and user
participation is *already* inexorably bound together. Usenet managers
and service providers are dependent on the  moderation/filtering tool.
I think it is prudent to deal with that reality and become involved
with it, as perhaps (?)  ignoring it and casually taking what is
available for granted.

What does seem worth pointing out in the n.g.p forum is that mostly
everyone who participates in Usenet has a vested interest in seeing
such software developed, evaluated, implemented and made more easily
accessible.

I recognize that this is not an easy topic for the "Big-8" management
to discuss or become involved with regard.  Notwithstanding such, it
is a concern of fundamental importance and consequence. It ought to be
emphasized and explored, notwithstanding the awkwardness of the
thought. Much of what you do *now* and more of that which will be done
in the future depends on this moderation/filtering layer

Raving


author: Peter J Ross

subject: Re: Facilitating the development and usage of moderation software

text:
In news.admin.moderation on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:03:39 -0600, Raving
<[email]> wrote:

Some of us take the view that the principal purpose of such management
is to keep things ticking over, even if not much is happening, and
especially when there's no outcry in favour of "adjustments".

But only in moderated groups.

Alternatively, it's plausible to see Usenet's future as a largely
unmoderated alternative to moderated Web boards.

Yes, but it was already semi-paralysed by lack of interest in posting,
and there hasn't been any significant activity in the group since the
problem was sorted out.

I haven't seen any spew here in NAM (and one of my sources of articles
would be sending me articles with forged/faked approvals if they
existed), but a new reader could still be forgiven for thinking that
you and I were this group's only participants.

<snip rec.ponds.moderated request for donations>

So are you advocating the development of free alternatatives? If so I
strongly support the idea, and I'd be willing to give some time for
bug-testing.

For $360 I could probably buy enough used components to set up a whole
text-only news server, so it certainly seems a lot of money to spend
on facilitating moderation of one newsgroup.

<...>

It's presumably a topic of interest in alt.* and other hierarchies
too, and in all hierarchies it's principally of interest to
moderators rather than to hierarchy admins.


author: D. Kirkpatrick

text:
In article <[email]>,
 Raving <[email]> wrote:

There seems to be little incentive to create or update existing tools.

I use DMOD which runs on Windows systems but it is unstable and has
not been updated in many years.  I don't even know if it will run on
Vista.  I can get it to run on W2K and XP.

(FWIW, there is nothing that runs on a Macintosh - Classic OS or under
their flavor of Unix/Linux, ie OSX)

Automated bots that are available only run on Unix systems and only
then of a host allows it to run on their servers.

What would be nice is some kind of program that can run in automation
which has filters to reject or accept posts by selected criteria
(filters) or allow for trusted posters by e-mail address or IP address
(or both).  Part 2 would create a holding que accessible by any web
browser and allow the moderator to check a PASS-NOPASS box or return
to sender with a reason appended (sig line?).

DMOD has some of these features but only has a couple of automation
criteria slots, but to pass or not pass a message you need to scroll
through each message individually as opposed to being able to make a
decision on subject line and sender alone.

I find myself using a pop server polling program that displays message
title, date, and sender.  Much validity can be determined just from
that.  The same program shows a segment (user defined number of lines
to display) of the message for what is left over.  This second pass
determines validity as a post or spam.

What is left over from checking messages on the mail server is left
behind.  I then launch DMOD and pass over the remaining legit posts.

Much of this could be automated.  The question is whether someone is
interested in creating such an animal.

This then goes into whether moderation of any Usenet group is still
warranted with the advent of such user-friendly software to create
your own lists and message boards not to mention services such as
Yahoo and Google.

I think the future of moderation need to be answered first, then
determine if any additional software to perform moderation is
necessary.


author: Steve Bonine

text:
Raving wrote:

Unmoderated Usenet groups remain an important part of Usenet, but there
indeed does appear to be a need for the ability to create and maintain a
moderated Usenet group without having to be a complete computer guru.

The moderation facility that was put in place for soc.men.moderated was
simply inadequate.  In addition to the fact that no acknowledgments of
submissions, acceptances, or rejections was ever sent, no spam filtering
was implemented, a rather naive approach given the controversy
surrounding the newsgroup.  While it's possible to disrupt a moderated
group by "determined intrusion", using s.m.m as an example suggests that
such disruption is more of a problem than it really is.

A reasonably robust and flexible moderation platform, tended by someone
with adequate technical knowledge and sufficient investment of time, can
automatically discard such disruptive material.

...

I'm assuming that the "apparent implication" you're suggesting is that
there's a lot of money in the Usenet moderation market, and I don't
think that's the case.  To tap that potential, one would need to
convince moderators of existing groups to switch to a new moderation
platform, and that is unlikely.  The other strategy would be to capture
new groups as they are created, but given the pace of creation of new
moderated newsgroups, that's not much of a market.  Even if you believe
in the "if you build it they will come" strategy, there's just not any
money to be made in this business.

It's hard to envision any kind of partnership between these components
in the adamantly-decentralized environment that is Usenet.

You're implying that the future of Usenet is tied to the future of
moderated newsgroups.  While I'm willing to agree that having the
ability for an individual or a small group of people to create a
moderated newsgroup with much less hassle than today would be a benefit,
I'm not sure I'm willing to agree that it's quite this big a deal.

It will never be as easy to create a moderated Usenet group as it is to
create a moderated group at Yahoo or one of the other web hosting sites.
  Even if someone or some organization made resources available on a
server and developed an easy-to-configure and easy-to-use moderation
tool, it's still going to be much more difficult to set up the Usenet
group than the Yahoo group.

So unless you're appealing to a group of people who are already using
Usenet and prefer to stay here, a moderated Usenet newsgroup is simply
not the right choice if you're creating a new discussion forum.  The
number of such Usenet-committed groups of individuals is small.  There
have been only a few successful new moderated groups created in the past
year or so, and lack of moderation software is not the reason.

Would having such a moderation facility help Usenet?  Of course.  But
would it *save* Usenet, make it grow, bring back the golden years?  No.

Where is the incentive for someone or some group to pay for a server,
pay for bandwidth, develop new software, and provide consulting and
training to use it?  There's no traditional business case to do it; no
one is ever going to make any money providing this service.  I hate to
sound like gloom and doom, but let's be realistic.  If it were software
development *only* then I could see a group of people getting together
in the open-source spirit, but software is only one component of a
working moderation platform.  What is needed is a turnkey system
including computing resources that addresses the difficulty of starting
and running a moderated Usenet newsgroup, and that's considerably more
than just software.

Should the big-8 management board address this issue?  They're the only
organized group I know of who could address it, but there are so many
people who will take any action of the board as an excuse to attack them
that I am afraid that (a) the board will not take action because of the
expected attacks and (b) the vocal attackers will serve to effectively
scuttle any cooperative spirit.  Without such cooperation, the project
cannot succeed.  Essentially, Usenet is shooting itself in the foot.
That's sad.


author: Paul W. Schleck

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In <[email]> Raving
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I, too, pass no judgment on the rec.ponds.moderated moderation team.
It's certainly their choice what level of support they want to pay for
to enable the moderation of their newsgroup, and I can see the appeal of
an account on a server, available 24/7, that is directly connected to
the Internet, with someone else to do the installation and configuration
of Secure Team Based Usenet Moderation Program ("STUMP"), and even the
availability of a limited amount of custom programming by the STUMP
author.

However, it should also be pointed out that they're really not "renting"
the software for that price, a mischaracterization that seems to be the
source of a lot of confusion, as well as motivating a lot of
well-meaning, but not fully informed, suggestions by their newsgroup's
readership to find some "free" alternative.  The STUMP software is free
for unlimited use in moderating Usenet newsgroups and mailing lists, but
you still have to provide your own host and otherwise "do-it-yourself"
with the installation and configuration.  The ReadySTUMP service
provides all of that, but for a subscription price.

There is a community of moderators who subscribe to shell accounts at
Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC ("Panix") and have set up STUMP in
that environment.  In fact, at least one newsgroup was able to get set
up and running with STUMP in just a couple of days from one moderation
team copying their own Panix-specific installation of STUMP to the other
moderation team's account, and just changing some entries in the
configuration files, like newsgroup name and submission E-mail address.
This alternative was offered, via E-mail, to Phyllis, Jim, and Ron from
rec.ponds.moderated.

The cost?  Just the cost of a Panix subscription, which would be
$10/month, or $100/year.  The initial help to get up and running would
be provided for free by at least one of the moderation teams.  So, the
$360 for ReadySTUMP hosting could instead be used for nearly 4 years of
Panix hosting.  We would even be willing to provide this assistance to
another interested moderated newsgroup (as long as it doesn't become
overwhelming; perhaps one alternative would be to have the helped team
then help the next, and so on, "paying it forward").

We have no vested interest in Panix other than as satisfied subscribers.

- --
Paul W. Schleck
[email]
http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/
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text:
On Nov 7, 1:35 pm, Peter J Ross <[email]> wrote:

How about a public domain protocol for the open exchange and
repository of data/email?
. .. An unpatentable, unclosable,  uncooptable counterbalance to any
single interest, an "open standard" for public data/information.

In a sense, that is what Usenet has always been. .. an open exchange
of data/information that cannot be captured, closed, subsumed, re-
engineered by Google, Microsoft or whoever.

The moderation that I speak of would *foremost* be for the benefit of
the email/data/information, itself.

Surely, one place to incorporate moderation elements is as a protocol
of tags for the data that reside with the data. That is already
present in terms of the "header structure".

Another place to incorporate "moderation elements" is with the
newsgroup definition.

- "Moderation structure" that remains with the data element.

- "Moderation structure" that remains with the containing set (the
news group) which serves as the repository of the data element.

The idea is to protect the data element, to protect the newsgroup
container, to allow each of those entities to be flexible or moderate
how they are perceived.

Moderation is discussed in a very, closed and restricted meaning of
the concept.

For example, how about a posting that is restricted and limited in one
sense .... say limited (moderated) to a summary.  Let's suppose that
48 hours after posting  ... or should the recipient wish to see more
detail, the moderation would change.

Making the concept of moderation feature, something fixed and static
is an oxymoron.

  ... Moderatable ... or  flexible to suit the circumstance.

It is the public, decentralized, "nobody owns Usenet" that can force
this moderatable public data/information/email onto those with private
interests.

This would protect and build upon Usenet's function as a public
repository and place of public exchange.

Usenet policy and moderation ought to be directed at keeping Usenet
as ...

- open
- independent of private concerns
- public repository
- flexibility and adaptability of interchange

 Whether you like it or not, achieving and protecting such a thing
requires managers with the gumption to decide, to act, and to see the
consequences through to effective conclusion.

   But the emphasis, the protection, the benefit is for the
'data'  ..  not the person, ... not the private interest.

Moderating structure helps to build that bridge to the personal,
private, occasion of usage-of-the-data. The ability to make flexible
for the occasion of usage is what makes the moderation issue important.


text:
Paul W. Schleck wrote:

Except that it's not really "their choice".  In the case of
rec.ponds.moderated, there were not people on the moderation team with
sufficient technical skill to set up and maintain the moderation
software.  This is typical of a person or a group of people who is
contemplating starting a moderated Usenet group.

Which is to say that if you have someone in the moderation group who is
computer savvy enough to do this, you have a choice.  Otherwise, using
the scheme that the rec.ponds.moderated folks have availed themselves of
seems the only alternative that's reasonable.

The premise that started this thread was that other less-expensive
alternatives need to be developed.

And they declined, for good reason.  They need the ongoing support that
they're paying for.  Don't get me wrong Paul, I think it's great that
you're offering to clone an operational moderation setup at Panix and
get people going.  That provides two of the three components that are
needed to support a moderated Usenet group -- the server (which Panix is
providing) and an installed and configured moderation platform.  What it
doesn't provide is ongoing support.  What are the non-technical
moderators going to do when there's a problem?  Are you offering your
services on an ongoing basis to answer their questions and tweak their
configuration?  And even if you are, perhaps the group wasn't
comfortable imposing on your volunteer time on an ongoing basis.

The "paying it forward" idea only works if the new team develops
sufficient technical expertise to clone their configuration and help set
up the next folks.  I don't think that's likely in most cases.

However, I do see the seed of something like what Raving was suggesting.
  The thing that is missing, as I see it, is that you and the group
you're discussing are the moderation team for a newsgroup, not a team of
people dedicated to ongoing support of moderation platforms.  What
you've offered is extremely generous and useful, but it only applies to
a moderation team in which there exists enough technical expertise to
maintain the moderation platform after it has been created.  The
rec.ponds.moderated team is a good example of a group of people who
evaluated your offer and made what they considered a reasonable decision
to avail themselves of a $360/year option instead of a $100/year option.

With just a little effort and the cooperation of a few people, I think
that this seed could be developed into something that would address the
needs of anyone or any group that wanted to start a moderated Usenet
group.  The two things that I see missing are documentation and a
commitment to ongoing support.

Right now, if someone is contemplating starting a moderated Usenet
group, there's relatively little chance that they'll hook up with you
and the group of people who is willing to help them get going at Panix.
  There needs to be a short document written that explains what you're
willing to do and how the whole scheme works.  This information needs to
be available to potential group proponents.  Perhaps one of the places
this could be done is on the big-8 wiki, although I am not suggesting
that the group only be offered to big-8 proponents.  The big-8 board may
be able to provide organizational or PR exposure for the group.

Which brings us to a more important aspect . . . the "group" needs to
exist as a formal entity dedicated to this task.  This allows a
commitment for ongoing support.  If the rec.ponds.moderated moderators
had been presented with an organized group of people who were willing to
help them get started *and* provide ongoing support, they might have
chosen that route instead of the one that they picked.  Having a formal
group provides some assurance that if one or two people drop out there
will still be support available, it provides coverage when individuals
are unavailable, a consistent contact point, and spreads the work over
more people.

Two more short comments.

This discussion reminds me of the open-source versus commercial software
decisions that are made every day in the corporate world.  It should be
made clear to the potential moderator(s) who are evaluating alternatives
that using this proposed "open source" option implies an ongoing
involvement on their part.  If they really intend to avail themselves of
ongoing consulting/support and are unwilling or unable to learn enough
about the moderation facility to do most of their own problem solving,
then a commercial alternative is the better choice.  $360 a year is not
a lot of money to spend if you're using the services.  I am not
advocating that this volunteer group become a babysitting service; the
moderator(s) of the group need to step up to do their part, or pay
someone else to do it for them.

Finally, I can't help but wonder if this would be throwing a party that
no one comes to.  It will be time wasted if a formal group is organized,
documentation is written and publicized, and no one takes advantage of
what's being offered.  I see precious few proposals for new newsgroups
these days, and even if this proposed committee does everything right it
still will be orders of magnitude harder to start a Usenet group than to
start a web-based forum.  Maybe the alternatives currently available are
adequate to handle the underwhelming number of people who need them.


author: [redacted]

text:
On Nov 7, 1:35 pm, Peter J Ross <[email]> wrote:

[...]

I'm not sure that the problem was sorted out.  None of my periodic
test messages has been posted.  There have been no posts at all for
quite some time.

[...]

I am currently considering starting up a moderated group and have run
into precisely this problem.  The ease of ready-STUMP appeals to me,
but the cost is discouraging.

Jayne


text:
On Nov 8, 9:46 am, Steve Bonine <[email]> wrote:

[...]

I'm contemplating starting a moderated Usenet group and I saw Paul's
post on this because I read NAM.  If I hadn't seen it, it was quite
possible I would have posted to NAM asking about alternatives to ready-
STUMP.  I was thinking about doing so when I saw this thread.  It does
not seem at all unlikely to me that others interested in creating
moderated groups would look to NAM for advice.  This could be
encouraged by adding this suggestion to the group creation
information.

Jayne


author: Doug McLaren

text:
In article <[email]>,
Peter J Ross  <[email]> wrote:
| In news.admin.moderation on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:03:39 -0600, Raving
| <[email]> wrote:
...

| > In my opinion, $360 is a sizable chunk of change being paid out by a
| > relatively small number of participants so as to facilitate their
| > participation in a single Usenet newsgroup. Multiply that number by
| > 2,500 and one is pushing $1 million.

Where did the 2,500 figure come from?  The number of moderated groups?

Looking the Roadrunner (Newshosting) news server, it has 2727
moderated groups listed.  But let's look at the ISC list instead --
it's probably more accurate.

It shows 300 moderated Big-8 groups.
It shoes 398 moderated alt.* groups.
It shows 5671 moderated non Big-8, non alt.* groups.  Breaking
   down those groups shows --

   3239 fido7  (gatewayed Russian-language Fidonet echomail)
    603 clari  (ClariNet, I thought this wasn't supposed to be propagated?)
    195 gov
    144 muc
    122 perl
    105 nlo
    103 linux
    ...

In any event, I doubt many of these hierarchies would need to take
advantage of any central moderation system.  And I doubt more than a
handful of the existing groups (Big-8, alt.*) would want to switch --
why mess with what works?

As for $1 million, it wouldn't surprise me if many times that figure
was spent setting up and maintaining the myriad web forums out there.

| For $360 I could probably buy enough used components to set up a whole
| text-only news server, so it certainly seems a lot of money to spend
| on facilitating moderation of one newsgroup.

Of course.  But you know that hardware is the cheap part of it --
hosting/bandwidth is a lot more, and $360/year would probably barely
pay a very `set it up and leave it alone' admin minimum wage for his
time.

Going back to a moderation system, $360/year could pay for a little
space on a shared system, but it wouldn't pay anybody nearly enough to
admin or maintain the system and software.  It could become cost
effective if some more groups signed up at that price, and if the
number of groups hosted there became significant, the price could even
go down (as most of the admin/maintenance work would not go up much
with additional groups.)

In any event, I don't see anybody who offers Usenet group moderation
setups at $360/year to actually make enough money to pay themselves
more than minimum wage for their time spent unless they can sign up a
lot of groups.

But if you consider that your time is worth $40/hr or whatever,
$360/year becomes quite cheap to let somebody else mess with it.  But
then again, I've been known to spend dozens of hours to save $10 --
and I doubt I'm alone in that.


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In <[email]> Steve Bonine <[email]> writes:

 [...]

They didn't decline, they just didn't reply (yet, it's been less than a
week).  Unless you have some additional insight with regard to what the
rec.ponds.moderated team is thinking or doing beyond what they've posted
to their newsgroup, we are just speculating.  Perhaps they are mulling
over my offer, in addition to whatever other offers were made.  Some of
the offers and suggestions made on their newsgroup involve starting over
cold with another tool, which I wouldn't recommend.  Perhaps my offer is
buried in their inbox with all of the impractical suggestions.

I'm not trying to publicly compel them to accept my offer, I'm just
discussing the issue of moderator tools, technical support, and costs in
the context of a specific example, and do so in a public forum where
they are free to reply.  Such a specific example is more concrete, and
useful, than much of the well-meaning "what-if" and "if you build it
they will come" speculation that has dominated discussion of this issue.

I'm not absolutely convinced that that's the case, at least long-term.
I would welcome the opportunity for further E-mail exchange with them
regarding their needs.  My personal experience is that once reliable
hosting services are found, and STUMP is properly configured, very
little ongoing maintenance is required, usually consisting of very
low-tech, basic computer literacy things like editing simple files.
They've already had nearly a year of practice with using STUMP.

Furthermore, exploring this option could be done low-cost, low-risk, and
without interrupting their moderation system currently running under the
ReadySTUMP hosting service.  At about 1 or 2 months prior to their
ReadySTUMP subscription expiring, a Panix account can be set up
month-to-month for $10/month.  STUMP can be set up in this account in a
couple of days.  The moderators, and other interested volunteer users,
can then try it out by directly mailing submissions (recommend just the
starting articles in a thread, so that followups can be threaded
properly by a newsreader) and evaluate the operation of the new system
over a generous 1-2 month period.

If the new system running in parallel meets their needs, they can simply
have isc.org change the moderator submission address to relay to Panix
instead, and shut down their ReadySTUMP service.  If they decide that it
doesn't meet their needs for any reason, they can shut down the Panix
account, keep the existing system unmodified, and renew their ReadySTUMP
subscription, no hard feelings.  But at least at that point, they would
have made an informed decision about the possibility of reducing their
ongoing operating costs by 2/3.  Such a self-help solution could even be
viewed as less risky, as it doesn't rely on the ongoing long-term
availability of the ReadySTUMP service (at any price), and might
encourage valuable self-sufficiency.

Even if they decide some time later that they would like to go back to
ReadySTUMP, that could be quickly set up again at the previous price.

And I wouldn't have made the offer frivolously or unrealistically.  The
community of moderators on Panix using STUMP were able to very quickly
(couple of days) get another moderation team up and running with STUMP.
I would also characterize this helped team as not deeply technically
savvy.  In fact, their existing newsgroup had been moribund for about 2
years because their previous moderation tools had been lost when their
shell account was closed (from non-renewal), the original author of
those tools was not available to reconstruct them, and the remaining
team did not know what to do to replace those tools.  Fortunately, they
posted to news.groups.proposals soliciting assistance and they were
willing to accept the Panix-hosted solution, one that has worked out
very well for them.

 [...]

Yes, but I would argue that those aren't equal thirds.  The reliable
hosting and the installation/configuration seem to constitute at least
90% of the effort or more.  They already know how to use STUMP, and
there would be very little difference between running it configured at
ReadySTUMP, or configured on Panix.  I doubt that they need significant
ongoing enhancements and custom programming.  I would welcome their
feedback regarding this.

Of all the reasons that they might decline the offer, I would hope that
a hesitation to ask anyone for help wouldn't be the principal one.  Once
up and running, very little assistance is required, certainly much less
than would justify the extra $20 a month for ReadySTUMP hosting over the
cost of a Panix shell account, IMHO.  The community of moderation teams
over on Panix would be happy to be available for any questions if it
would enable another moderation team to stretch their limited budget by
a factor of 3.5 or more.  If they don't know the question, or are busy,
they could at least refer them to someone who might know.  May of these
teams were able to get many questions about STUMP answered for free by
asking the STUMP author, or asking other moderation teams that were
using STUMP.  Anything specific to Panix can be answered by the Panix
support staff, or by many knowledgeable people that populate the
local Panix newsgroups.

I honestly disagree as to just how "technical" running a piece of
software is.  To me, truly "technical" work is designing and building
large, complex electronic or software systems, or conducting scientific
research.  Editing configuration files and monitoring E-mail messages
and web pages is the janitorial work of Information Technology (and
don't get me wrong, these janitors, IT or otherwise, do important work,
which would be sorely missed if not provided, but mostly consists of
routine monitoring and maintenance that any reasonably literate and
intelligent person can be trained, or self-trained, to do.)

It seems to be that any kind of turnkey moderation hosting is always
going to run afoul of poor economies of scale.  At most, a few hundred
customers would be interested in such a service.  On this point we
agree, it's not a cash cow.  In my opinion, it would seem to be a better
option to seek out the most cost-effective shell accounts that could
support moderation tools (Panix being just one of them, I'm sure), and
either enhance existing tools to the point that their installation and
configuration is much more automatic and user-friendly (STUMP is not
anywhere near that state today), or organize setup and mentoring teams
to provide free advice to get them over the 90% of the work, which is in
finding hosting and installing/configuring the tools.  These teams could
also be available for whatever minimal additional ongoing support and
question/answers may be required.  The moderation team community over on
Panix has already started doing this on an ad-hoc basis.

There's a classic conundrum in Economics that even if a product or
service truly costs a certain amount of money to provide, if that price
is not perceived to be affordable or worthwhile, then no one will buy
the product at a profitable, or at least break-even, price.
General-purpose shell accounts, with large amounts of useful software
tools already installed and configured, are available on the open market
for $10/month, possibly even less.  I don't think that most moderation
teams, existing or potential, will be able to sustain long-term,
economically or politically, the payment of three times that amount, if
there is the perception that whatever additional support provided may
not be worth the ongoing extra $20/month for the long-term.

- --
Paul W. Schleck
[email]
http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/
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text:
In news.admin.moderation on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:34:39 -0600,
[email] <[email]> wrote:

I'd guess that test posts are deemed off-topic, though you'd have to
contact the moderators to find out.

Did this one not reach you?

| From: "Crossbow" <[email]>
| Newsgroups: soc.men.moderated
| Subject: question for moderator
| Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:11:43 -0700
| NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:21:33 -0600

Given the delay shown in the Date and NNTP-Posting-Date headers, I'm
hopeful that my reply to the post may turn up eventually.


text:
In news.admin.moderation on Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:18:01 -0600, Doug
McLaren <[email]> wrote:

Hosting and bandwidth for text-only Usenet groups and the mail arising
from them should cost practically nothing if one has ordinary
broadband access.

If somebody proposed a moderated group I was keen on, I'd happily set
up some mail and news software, give the moderators shell accounts,
offer support, etc, etc.

You're forgetting that some people are willing to give their time free
of charge.

<...>

When I offer advice or answer questions on Usenet, I'm paid a lot less
than minimum wage. So far this year I think I've received a promise of
three pints of beer "if ever we meet in real life". Like the hundreds
of others who do the same kind of thing, I don't mind.

Usenet and the moderated groups on Usenet need volunteers, not
accountants.


text:
Peter J Ross wrote:

This sounds exactly like what I heard relative to setting up moderation
for s.m.m.  And what happens when the group starts receiving 20,000
submissions in an attack?  If the moderation platform is sufficiently
robust, it's not difficult to cope with this kind of thing . . . but if
it's a home system, with "ordinary broadband access", barely enough
computing resources to handle normal operation, and especially if the
person hosting the server doesn't have enough time to take care of it,
the newsgroup is toast.

And what happens if you get hit by the Twinkie Truck, or lose interest?
  The newsgroup dies.

That's why I keep harping on having more than one person involved, both
in terms of ongoing support and the server.  Having a group of people
who are willing to commit to ongoing support is key to a plan to make
this work, and having the server at a commercial site is much preferable
to having it in someone's home.

Yes, until they aren't.  Individuals decide that they want to give their
time to a different cause, and should have the freedom to do that
without leaving a trail of dead newsgroups in their wake.

I agree completely.  But the other thing that's important is not
depending on one individual.  I think that the best arrangement is to
have the hardware hosted at a commercial provider and to have a *group*
of people who have agreed to provide support.  This provides the best of
both worlds -- the cost of hosting these days is reasonable, and the
scheme isn't dependent on any one individual who might be hit by the
Twinkie Truck.


text:
In news.admin.moderation on Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:30:35 -0600, Steve
Bonine <[email]> wrote:

It's certainly partly based on my (not very pleasant) SMM experiences.

One uses filters.

Perhaps my broadband access is better than yours. I ran two NNTP
servers for a few months last year, without any complaints (f you
exclude the compaints when I decided to shut them down).

However, there does need to be an admin available 24/7, so it would be
necessary to give all the moderators shell acounts with some admin
rights in order to make such a system workable.

Not very difficult.

This happens to lots of moderated groups. When the moderator dies or
otherwise vanishes, the group is dead. This result is not affected by
where the moderation software is hosted.

Having experience of being the only moderator involved (in SMM), I
can't disagree with this recommendation,

But why should the moderators have to pay a dollar a day? What if some
indigent people from sub-Sarahan Africa want a moderated newsgroup?

Usenet would surely benefit if the whole world, rich and poor, could
participate, wouldn't it?

So one needs a team of moderators, not just one moderator.

For $360? No thanks. Who wants to spend that kind of money on a group
that might prove to be a spamtrap?

I find the cost *un*reasonable. I like Usenet a lot, but I'm not
willing to pay to read any individual group.


author: On the Road to Damascus

text:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:36:23 -0600, Tim Skirvin
<[email]> wrote:

And this requires submissions to be routed to the free moderation
domain, right?

Those who are fanatically opposed to anything connected with the Big-8
Management Board will not like this idea. Tough.

You could also then put into place a mechanism to remove rouge head
moderators.


text:
Peter J Ross wrote:

Only if the bandwidth to the server is sufficient to allow the attack to
reach the filters at the server.

Entirely possible.  I'm basing my conclusion partly on the demise of
s.m.m because the moderation facility was not sufficiently robust to
handle the spam attack.  I don't know if it was a bandwidth issue, a
server issue, an availability issue for the human admin, or all of the
above.

Not very difficult IFF the moderators have sufficient technical savvy to
be able to use shell accounts.  In many cases they do, but there are
also cases in which the moderator group wants to be moderators, and have
no desire or ability to be Unix administrators.

That doesn't make it desirable.  I'd like there not to be a single point
of failure.  Obviously there is a cost to that.

I think we have a disconnect here.  Having a server at a commercial site
is far less than that.

And indeed that is exactly what I am aiming for.

And a team of administrators, which may not be the same folks.

The *hardware*.  Not the software.  Paul's idea is to host at Panix.
That's about $10 a month.

Let me try again to articulate what I'm suggesting.  I obviously failed
the first time.

Paul has offered to clone a moderation setup at Panix.  Panix provides
the server cycles.  The use of STUMP is free.  (The $360 number is a
turnkey system, with support, which is not what I am suggesting.)

It would be nice if someone would supply server resources for less than
$10 a month, but I don't consider the charge unreasonable.  What I am
looking for is a robust system to support (new) moderated groups.
"Robust" means, to me, that if one individual decides that they want to
spend their spare time elsewhere, they can do that without leaving a
trail of dead newsgroups behind.

So a good compromise seems to me to be (1) pay Panix $10 a month for the
server; they're not going to fade into the woodwork (I hope), and (2)
put together a reasonably-organized group to provide admin support for
those moderation teams that are unable to provide it themselves.

Is this less expensive or less complex than just going to Yahoo and
creating a discussion group?  No.  But maybe it addresses the issue of
people who would rather have a Usenet group than a web discussion group.


text:
On Nov 14, 5:51 pm, Peter J Ross <[email]> wrote:
Soc.sexuality.spanking is currently suffering from a sporge attack
that is causing considerable disruption.

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.sexuality.spanking/browse_frm/thread/4d11
21ca49ef678d/23258f78f983f829#23258f78f983f829

The filters that SSS use are clunky and highly undesirable for some of
those participating.

Yes.

Uh huh ..

/snip/

Perhaps, a former FNVW might be interested in using his expertise to
help out the moderator(s) over at the creative spanking group, albeit
I'm *not* sure that they are actively seeking assistance at this time.


author: Larry Sheldon

subject: Re: DDoS ... fail

text:
On 3/18/2013 7:29 PM, BEI Design wrote:

You gotta think they are being hurt when they divert that much effort
away from their lucrative spam business.

--
Idioten aangeboden. Gratis af te halen.
h/t Dagelijkse Standaard


author: David Brown

subject: Re: DDoS ... fail

text:
On Monday, March 18, 2013 8:08:40 PM UTC-7, Larry wrote:

It's more likely that the spammers who lash out at Spamhaus (and similar services) are NOT making money, and use Spamhaus (etc.) as a scapegoat for their failures.  Spammers who are truly effective at what they do probably discount Spamhaus as inconsequential.

David N. Brown Mesa Arizona