author: Hyman Blumenstock

text:
Alex Vange wrote:

Read this you bigoted asshole, and assure us about how pure
white you are.  There is only one race, called homo sapien.
Even then, maybe the chimpanzee is also one of us.

                   The Real American Love
                   Story
                   Why America is a lot less white than it
                   looks.

                   By Brent Staples
                   Posted Monday, Oct. 4, 1999, at 4:28 p.m.
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                          The PBS broadcast last month of An
                   American Love Story--a 10-hour film about
an
                   interracial family--spawned a great deal
of
                   chatter to the effect that mixed-race
couplings
                   were the wave of the future. In fact,
they are the
                   wave of the past. Interracial marriages
                   accounted for only 2.2 percent of all
marriages
                   in the Current Population Survey of 1992,
a
                   gain of only two-tenths of a percent over
1980,
                   and the number of mixed couplings
actually
                   decreased slightly in 1991. The census
pattern
                   suggests that slightly more interracial
couples
                   will fall into each other's arms in the
coming
                   years but that there will be nothing
resembling a
                   dramatic acceleration of marriage across
the
                   color line.

                          But America already has almost 400
years
                   of race mixing behind it, beginning with
that
                   first slave ship that sailed into
Jamestown
                   harbor carrying slaves who were already
                   pregnant by members of the crew.
Americans
                   have grudgingly accepted the fact that
sex
                   between masters and slaves such as Thomas
                   Jefferson and Sally Hemings was frequent,
                   leading to a many-hued race of people who
do
                   not look African at all, even though they
call
                   themselves "African-American." Outside of
                   recent African immigrants to the United
States,
                   there are virtually no black Americans of
purely
                   African descent, which is to say no black
                   people who lack white ancestry, left in
this
                   country.
                          Four centuries of race mixing have
had a
                   similar impact on Americans who define
                   themselves as white. Convincing estimates
                   show that by 1950 about one in five white
                   Americans had some African ancestry. This
                   inheritance most often arrived at the
bedroom
                   door in the form of a fair-skinned black
person
                   who had slipped over the color line to
live as
                   white. Put another way, most Americans
with
                   African blood in their veins think of
themselves
                   as white and conduct themselves as
such--and
                   check "white" when they fill out census
forms.

            How did so much "black" blood get into so
            many "white" people? Consider the story
         behind the 1967 case of Loving vs. Virginia,
         in which the Supreme Court overturned laws
         in 17 states that forbade black people and
         white people to marry. Richard Loving was
         white and Mildred Jeter was black. In 1958,
         weeks after the two were married, the
         Caroline County sheriff dragged them from
         their marriage bed and jailed them for the
         crime of being married. The Lovings were
         then exiled from Virginia under pain of
         imprisonment. In banishing the couple from
         the Old Dominion, the Caroline County judge
         said from the bench: "Almighty God created
         the races, white, black, yellow, Malay, and
         red and placed them on separate continents,
         and but for the interference with his
         arrangement there would be no cause for such
         marriages. The fact that he separated the
         races shows that he did not intend the races to
         mix."
                This statement would have been
         ludicrous anyplace but was especially
         laughable in Caroline County--and in the
         Lovings' hometown of Central Point, which
         had been an epicenter of race mixing for at
         least 200 years. There were many such
         centers in the South. In cities such as
         Charleston, S.C., and New Orleans, for
         example, white families and their
         fair-skinned black relatives lived so close
         together that they bumped into each other on
         the street. Mixed-race people were initially
         treated as a "new people" who existed in the
         space between white and black and deserved
         a status not quite as high as whites but higher
         than that of black people in general. This
         special status began to dry up just before the
         Civil War and evaporated when slavery
         ended and free blacks competed with whites
         for jobs and political power. White
         Southerners became obsessed with drawing
         an impossible line that would preserve white
         "racial purity"--another way of referring to
         white political dominance. The "one-drop
         rule" defined as black anyone who had any
         black ancestry at all, even if that ancestry was
         invisible to the naked eye or in the
         genealogical record. Those who fell on the
         black side of the law often lost the rights to
         vote, to hold high-status jobs, and to defend
         their persons and property in the courts.

                      The revocation of special mulatto
rights
                      accelerated the practice of passing
for
                   white. Central Point was locally known as
the
                   "passing capital of the world." Passing
for
                   white was so common there that a section
of
                   Central Point had actually been named
                   "Passing.'' Some Central Pointers lived
as
                   negroes at home but crossed the line to
seize
                   white privileges just an hour or two away
in
                   Richmond, Va. Local children were often
taken
                   for white during excursions to nearby
towns,
                   where they shopped in stores that did not
serve
                   blacks and were admitted to the "white
only"
                   sections of movie houses.
                          Having learned the rewards of
whiteness
                   early, these children grew up, moved
away,
                   and continued the charade. Those who
entered
                   the armed forces, which were segregated
until
                   1948, were often classified as white and
                   attached to all-white units. This made
for dicey
                   moments when brown-skinned classmates
from
                   Central Point turned up in all-black
units. Some
                   of these former classmates kept the
secret, but a
                   few exposed the passers as frauds.
Neither
                   Britain nor France had laws that forbade
                   interracial marriage, and people in those
                   countries had no clue what the Yanks were
                   going on about when they argued over who
was
                   really white or really black. To the
French and
                   the British, race was defined by what you
                   looked like: If you looked white, well
then, you
                   were.

            Back in Caroline County, soldiers who were
            passing were sure to travel home alone to
         prevent their white buddies from knowing who
         and what they were. The passers from Passing
         married white spouses, moved into white jobs,
         took up residence in white neighborhoods. When
         the couples returned to Central Point to visit, the
         town went along with the masquerade. Families
         ditched brown-skinned friends and relatives, and
         children stayed out of school to avoid being seen
         on the colored bus headed to the colored school.
         Principals and teachers stuck to the script. One of
         them told Ebony magazine in 1967 that blacks in
         Central Point had "infiltrated the white race more
         than any other group of Negroes. When a student
         plays hooky from school for a week and says an
         in-law is visiting the family, we understand. The
         kids just can't afford to catch the Negro school
         bus without giving away the racial identity."
                This infiltration was common not just in
         Virginia but all over the United States. The most
         interesting document listed in the amicus briefs
         for Loving vs. Virginia is a statistical study
         called "African Ancestry of the White American
         Population" by Robert Stuckert, a sociologist and
         anthropologist from Ohio State University.
         Stuckert's statistical models are tough going, but
         eye-opening for what they show. Simply put, he
         examined census and fertility data to arrive at
         estimates of how many white Americans had
         African blood lines and how many fair-skinned
         blacks had crossed over the line to live as white.
         Stuckert's tables show that during the 1940s
         alone, roughly 15,550 fair-skinned blacks per
         year slipped across the color line--about 155,500
         for the decade. Stuckert estimates that by 1950
         about 21 percent of the whites--or about 28
         million of the 135 million persons classified as
         "white" in the census--had black ancestry within
         the last four generations. He predicted that the
         proportion would only grow in the coming
         decades. The belief that one's ancestors are
         "racially uniform" is a basic American fiction,
         Stuckert wrote, but a fiction nonetheless.

         Related in Slate

         In 1996, Eric Liu assessed the politics of
         miscegenation and racial identity as
         identified by the U.S. Census Bureau. On the
         eve of Alabama's vote to repeal their bans
         against interracial marriage, David
         Greenberg gave a "History Lesson" on the
         staying power of these archaic laws.


subject: Re: Population 6 BILLION!...and your slice of the pie??

text:
<snip of a lot of neo-nazi bullshit...>
Can you say EUGENICS, anyone?

Joyce


author: Alex Vange

text:
Dan Parker <[email]> wrote in article
<[email]>...

intelligent

   IQ tests.

industriousness

   The White nations and Japan are all prosperous while all Black nations
are the third world. You say it is the climate? Nonsense, All IQ tests have
proven that Whites are on average much more intelligent than Blacks.

and partially because we are the most successful
so-called aid

   I agree that interest is bad. International bankers are the enemies of
all countries.

  In multi-cultural Canada, people of all races have relatively
enjoying

  The standard of living is high now, because Canada used to be White.

    Here is part of David Duke's newsletter:

    "Entering my old neighborhood of Gentilly Woods in New Orleans had a
profound effect upon me. My once tidy and well-kept neighborhood was now
mostly Black and disheveled. It once sported many homes that seemed to
always have a fresh-painted look. Now they were adorned with peeling paint
an unkempt lawns of weeds and trash. In talking to some old holdouts in the
neighborhood, they told me that the once rare burglary, vandalism and
assault had now become commonplace. The diehard White remnants who remained
had adapted to the changes and found a way to endure each indignity and
violation the best they could. The change had been so gradual that they
were no longer shocked by new instances of crime, just resigned to them.
     "The streets had scattered groups of hard-featured Black men standing
around dilapidated cars giving hostile stares to an obviously unknown White
person trespassing in their neighborhood.
      "Even though it had been many  years since my last visit, my memories
became more vivid as I entered the boundaries of the neighborhood. It
seemed as though I had only been away a few scant hours. Now those memories
crashed against the images of the present causing me to feel off balance.
It was akin to visiting a healthy friend and then after a few short weeks
to see him wasting away with cancer. Afraid that perhaps me recollection
was more idealized than it really was--as soon as I returned home, I
ferreted out my old photographs.
     "Those photos clearly portrayed a community even more attractive than
I had remembered. Well-kept homes filled the album, often accented with
blooming flowers and finely trimmed shrubbery, sidewalks edged closely, and
many homes had a fresh paint look. Polished autos dotted the clean streets.
Even more dramatic were the Tom Sawyer and Becky Thatcher-like bright faces
of the children with whom I spent so many happy hours of childhood.
     "In my time they were the ruddy faces that filled our streets yards
and parks. They were all gone now, replaced by dark, angry teenagers, with
scarred skin and boomboxes; often with pistols and crack in their pockets,
menacing the streets where children now fear to venture. A picture
repeated, I believe, all over the United States of America. For the current
White residents of Gentilly Woods their story is much like the story fo the
frog that is put in a pot  of warm water while the temperature is slowly
increased until the poor creature is boiling and it is too late to save
itself. Is the traditional American already too lulled by the tepid water
to realize what is ahead?
      "Amercians can glimpse the future in the inner cities of America. The
political corruption, failing schools, drug problems, crime, the run down
housing and even the trash in the streets- all hold a preview of the coming
attractions of 21st century America. When all of America is of the same
racial proportion as that of the inner cities, there will be no White
infrastructure, and no white cornucopia of tax revenue mitigating the Third
Worldism. Criminals will no longer be held in check by White police,
prosecutors, juries and judges. The shrinking White tax base will be
inadequate to the costs of the criminal justice system and jails needed to
house lawbreakers. The housing, food, medical care, and schooling of those
who cannot provide their own--will no longer be able to live off the
support of the aging and diminishing European population."

      The address for this newsletter is David Duke Report, Box 88,
Covington, LA 70434
http://www.duke.org

effective
among
brainwashed
decided
of

    Jews tell their own people to marry other Jews. Jews tell Whites that
race-mixing is good. They want to destroy our race through race-mixing.

    White people travelled a lot. We don't know for sure that it was
acutally a Chinese that invented gunpower. Anyway, I could make gunpowder
myself, while I could not make a radio or refrigerator or anything like
that.

Slav,
of

     Tesla was a White man. Hitler didn't consider slavs to be Germans.
Some countries should be more particular about who should be citizens.
Scandinavian countries should preserve their blonds while this wouldn't
matter in the USA.


text:
Henry Wilson <[email]> wrote in article
<[email]>...
the
need
and
should
people
not
intelligent
future
the
have
problem
the
should
answer
population.
need
the
the
do
brainwashed
decided
race.
creative
beginnings
wholly
the
the
science
fully
superior
the
real
and
change
disappear,
a
more
which
      If you agree on the solution to population that is good. That doesn't
mean I agree with you on other issues. And the problem with Whites is that
we are not having enough children.


text:
Henry Wilson <[email]> wrote in article
<[email]>...

   If there is any overpopulation today it is among the non-Whites. Whites
are not having enough children.
Ignoring race on this issue is what we don't need.

    Here is part of David Duke's newsletter:

    "Entering my old neighborhood of Gentilly Woods in New Orleans had a
profound effect upon me. My once tidy and well-kept neighborhood was now
mostly Black and disheveled. It once sported many homes that seemed to
always have a fresh-painted look. Now they were adorned with peeling paint
an unkempt lawns of weeds and trash. In talking to some old holdouts in the
neighborhood, they told me that the once rare burglary, vandalism and
assault had now become commonplace. The diehard White remnants who remained
had adapted to the changes and found a way to endure each indignity and
violation the best they could. The change had been so gradual that they
were no longer shocked by new instances of crime, just resigned to them.
     "The streets had scattered groups of hard-featured Black men standing
around dilapidated cars giving hostile stares to an obviously unknown White
person trespassing in their neighborhood.
      "Even though it had been many  years since my last visit, my memories
became more vivid as I entered the boundaries of the neighborhood. It
seemed as though I had only been away a few scant hours. Now those memories
crashed against the images of the present causing me to feel off balance.
It was akin to visiting a healthy friend and then after a few short weeks
to see him wasting away with cancer. Afraid that perhaps me recollection
was more idealized than it really was--as soon as I returned home, I
ferreted out my old photographs.
     "Those photos clearly portrayed a community even more attractive than
I had remembered. Well-kept homes filled the album, often accented with
blooming flowers and finely trimmed shrubbery, sidewalks edged closely, and
many homes had a fresh paint look. Polished autos dotted the clean streets.
Even more dramatic were the Tom Sawyer and Becky Thatcher-like bright faces
of the children with whom I spent so many happy hours of childhood.
     "In my time they were the ruddy faces that filled our streets yards
and parks. They were all gone now, replaced by dark, angry teenagers, with
scarred skin and boomboxes; often with pistols and crack in their pockets,
menacing the streets where children now fear to venture. A picture
repeated, I believe, all over the United States of America. For the current
White residents of Gentilly Woods their story is much like the story fo the
frog that is put in a pot  of warm water while the temperature is slowly
increased until the poor creature is boiling and it is too late to save
itself. Is the traditional American already too lulled by the tepid water
to realize what is ahead?
      "Amercians can glimpse the future in the inner cities of America. The
political corruption, failing schools, drug problems, crime, the run down
housing and even the trash in the streets- all hold a preview of the coming
attractions of 21st century America. When all of America is of the same
racial proportion as that of the inner cities, there will be no White
infrastructure, and no white cornucopia of tax revenue mitigating the Third
Worldism. Criminals will no longer be held in check by White police,
prosecutors, juries and judges. The shrinking White tax base will be
inadequate to the costs of the criminal justice system and jails needed to
house lawbreakers. The housing, food, medical care, and schooling of those
who cannot provide their own--will no longer be able to live off the
support of the aging and diminishing European population."

      The address for this newsletter is David Duke Report, Box 88,
Covington, LA 70434
http://www.duke.org

  Losing the war did not prove that the National Socialists were wrong. It
only proved that there were more communists and leftists than good people
in the world, and this is because the Jews control the media:

         There was a book in ordinary bookstores called "An Empire of Their
Own". It was a pro-Jewish book but it showed that the Jews ran Hollywood.

       Here are some quotes from a magazine for Jews called "Moment". It is
subtitled "The Jewish magazine for the 90's" These quotes are from the Aug
1996 edition after the Headline "Jews Run Hollywood - So What?":

       "It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish power
and prominence in popular culture. Any list of the most influential
pruduction executives at each of the major movie studios will produce a
heavy majority of recognizably Jewish names."

        "the famous Disney organization, which was founded by Walt Disney,
a gentile Midwesterner who allegedly harbored anti-Semetic attitudes, now
features Jewish personnel in nearly all its most powerful positions."

       The head of Walt Disney studios is now the Jew Michael Eisner. On
studios that were bought out by the Japanese the magazine says:

"When Mitsushita took over MCA-Universal, they did nothing to undermine the
unquestioned authority of Universal's legendary - and all Jewish -
management triad of Lew Wasserman, Sid Scheinberg, and Tom Pollack."

        Here are some quotes from the paper "Jews Control the Media and
Rule America"

       "American Broadcasting Companies (ABC), Coumbia Broadcasting System
(CBS), and National Broadcasting Company (NBC). Each of these three has
been under the absolute control of a single man over a long enough period
of time--ranging from 32 to 55 years--for him to staff the corporation at
every level with officers of his choosing and then to place his imprint
indelibly upon it. In each case that man has been a Jew.
       "Until 1985, when ABC merged with Capital Cities Communications,
Inc...the chairman of the board of directors and chief executive officer
(CEO) of the network was Leonard Harry Goldenson, a Jew...In an interview
in the April 1, 1985 issue of Newsweek, Goldenson boasted 'I built this
company (ABC) from scratch.'"

       "CBS was under the domination of William S. Paley for more than half
a century. The son of immigrant Jews from Russia..."

      "There has been no move by top G-E management to change the Jewish
"profile" of NBC or to replace key Jewish personel. To the contrary, new
Jewish executives have been added: an example is Steve Friedman..."

     "The man in charge of  the television entertainment division at CBS is
Jeff Sagansky. At ABC the entertainment division is run by two
men....nearly all of the men who shape young Amercians' concept of reality,
of good and evil, of permissible and impermissible behavior are Jews. In
particular, Sagansky and Bloomberg arre Jews. So is Tartikoff. Littlefield
is the only Gentile who has had a significant role in TV entertainment
programming in recent years."

      "American Film magazine listed the top 10...entertainment companies
and their CEOs...Time Warner Communications (Steven J Ross, Jew) Walt
Disney Co. (Michael D. Eisner, Jew)...Of the 10 top entertainment CEOs
listed above, eight are Jews."

      "The Newhouse media empire provides an example of more than a lack of
real competition among America's daily newspapers; it also illustrates the
insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all organs of opinion... The
Newhouse's own 31 daily newspapers, including several large and important
ones, such as the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Newark Star-Ledger, and the
New Orleans Times-Picayune; the nation's largest trade  book publishing
conglomerate,  Random House, with all its subsideries; Newhouse
Broadcasting, consisting of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87
cable-TV systems, including some of the countries largest cable networks-
the Sunday supplement Parade, with a circulation of more than 22 million
copies per week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker,
Vogue, Madamoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, HQ, Bride's, Gentlemen's
Quarterly, Self, Home&Garden...."

     "Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile ownership and
management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish advertising..."

      "the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington
Post. These three...are the newspapers which set trends and guidlines for
nearly all others. They are the ones which decide what is news and what
isn't, at national and international levels. They originate the news; the
others merely copy it. And all three newspapers are in Jewish hands...The
Suzberger family also owns, through the New York Times Co. 36 other
newspapers; twelve magazines, including McCall's and Family Circle..."

     "New York's other newspapers are in no better hands than the Daily
News. The New York Post is owned by billionare Jewish real-estate developer
Peter Kalikow. The Village Voice is the personal property of Leonard Stern,
the billionaire Jewish owner of..."

     "There are only three newsmagazines of any note published in the
United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report....The CEO of
Time Warner Communications is Steven J. Ross, and he is a Jew.
       "Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post
Co., under the Jewess Katherine Meyer Graham..."
      "U.S. News & World Report... owned and published by Jewish real
estate developer Mortimer B. Zucherman..."

      " The three largest book publishers...Random House... Simon &
Schuster , and Time Inc. Book Co....All three are owned or controlled by
Jews...The CEO of Simon & Schuster if Richard Snyder, and the president is
Jeremy Kaplan; both are Jews too."

 "Western Publishing...ranks first among publishers of childrens books,
with more than 50 per cent of the market. Its chairman and CEO is Richard
Bernstein, a Jew."

     "Jewish spokesmen customarily will use evasive tactics. "Ted Turner
isn't a Jew!" they will announce..."

     "We are doing more than  merely giving them a decisive influence on
our political system and virtual control of our government; we also are
giving them control of the minds and souls of our children..."

     Agreed


author: Dan Parker

text:
Hyman Blumenstock wrote:

Even funnier is that it was the separation on different
continents that RESULTED in the superficial differences
between the humans.  Take this whole thing to its
logical extreme, and you have no interbreeding between
tribes and eventually inbreeding.  Do you think maybe
God is trying to tell us something here about genetic
diversity creating health and strength?
Dan


text:
Alex Vange wrote:

IQ tests are culturally biased.  Think if you were stuck in a backwoods
emergency.  Would you want to rely on the brains of a city Mensa member,
or an illiterate hillbilly who couldn't even put his name on the IQ test?

In any case,  I'm too busy with Y2K to refute rascism step by step
(i.e. since the Asian brain is bigger, why did Hitler say Japan only
prospered because of White inventions?; England and pre-
Napoleonic Germany were very open, non-authoritarian states, which
allowed new ideas to flourish, while Japan was authoritarian.  Britian
ruled the seas, because the Chinese emporer forbade exploration he
couldn't control and so on.)  As for the African culture, Egypt was the
seat of early human learning and knowledge.

In any case, there is complexity on top of complexity.  The Kosherite/Hitler
disagreement was essentially a dispute over who would be slavemaster
(see Israel Shahak for how Nazi Germany was praised by fascist kosherites
and how Nazi Germany was instrumental in founding Israel).  The three
real alternatives were played out in the Spanish civil war, with Nazis
against communists and anarchists.  The communists turned on their
anarchist allies in order to get the argument down to no freedom for
anyone, just a choice of slavemasters.  Door number three is still there,
and is the only real answer according to all of history and basic cybernetics.

And Anarchism/libertarian also means freedom from as well as freedom to, so a
totalitarian approach to what side of the road to drive on, human rights
and so on is not inconsistent with the concept.  Bottom line, Hitler
didn't believe in a lot of the stuff he propagated, but it was a way for
him to stir up the basic genetic urges we have in us all to fight the leftist
slavery concept  (we all share 98.4% of the genetic profile of the
chimpanzee and its alpha ape driver, while there is only a .1% variation
between the three major branches of the human family; caucasoid,
negroid and mongloid - note how the latter two scientific definitions
have been defiled in the while language.  The only time chimpanzees
stop their dominance battles within the band is to fight another band).
Dan


author: Henry Wilson

text:
On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:55:27 GMT, "Alex Vange" <[email]> wrote:
I agree that there is an 'intelligence' problem. The brighter people
are having fewer offspring. Nobody can argue with that!

As for your racial views, I think you are revealing your own paranoia
and ignorance of the whole subject of human ability. Intelligence test
methods are rarely culturally fair.
While it is true to say that technology grew, of necessity, in colder
'white' regions, the proportion of the white population involved in
all the creativity is quite small. Most of your beloved 'Ayrians' are
no smarter than the average Indian. Also, you ignore the tremendous
damage that capitalism and misguided technology has inflicted, without
conscience, on the natural world.
That being said, I will agree that the excessive population growth in
the more primitive parts of Africa and Asia, in particular, are a
worry. Nothing good can ever come of it, not even increased coca cola
sales. the Earth simply does not have the resources to bring their
living standards up to an acceptible level.

We don't need more white kids. The world is already overcrowded.  We
need fewer children, generally, and none at all who going to be born
into a hopeless future.

Frankly, I hope that and will not be surprised if selective breeding
programs become necessary in many countries soon, including the
affluent ones.
Otherwise, human civilization will lose its ability to maintain its
current standards.


author: JR

text:
Alex Vange wrote:

Now wait a second here...hard featured black men staring at white strangers
with hostility are obviously making the color judgments of anti-white
bigotry.   Let's not make their mistake and ascribe  cause to _a negative
stereotype_.  What is the actual  origin  of the monumental  anti-white
bigotry , currently masquerading as "civil rights action" in this nation, an
anti-white bigotry which by the way is proselytized by blacks AND whites.

It is the _multihued_ DEMOCRATS, like President Stereotype and M'fuesi
M'Quota, not "blacks" who are originating this anti-white hostility.  It is
racist liberal filth that has made a specious political platform out of
redefining the dysfunctional tax dependent lifestyles of so many blacks  as
"white on black oppression."   That's the dishonesty behind the anti-white
hostility...the liberalscum-led  belief that all white waiters, white truck
drivers and white store clerks "oppress" all black people by "working for a
living" and  paying the welfare state taxes that have supported fifty percent
of black Americans for the last foty years. Of course this liberal scum
ignores the OTHER fifty percent of black Americans who ALSO have been forced
to pay the welfare taxation...they ignore because that's LIBERAL oppression
and no thieiving racist liberal is every going to admit that they are the
cause and not the remedy to increasing social chaos.

As for the crime that is so obviously worse  in the black population...they've
been told all their lives by thieving, racist liberal scum, who can't tell a
stereotype from a human being, or exploitation from honestly working for  a
living, that history grants them  "a right" to steal, especially from whites.
They are encouraged by media filth everywhere that if taxes aren't raised
enough to provide blacks with the exact same circumstances as honestly working
for a living, then they have "a right" to come boiling out of taxfunded
housing and steal in person.

With that raciast bullshit  spewing out of  every mainstream newspaper and TV
station in the country, I think it's a positive in favor of black Americans
that only fifty percent bought into the liberal welfare lie and that this
percentage is dropping.


text:
Dan Parker <[email]> wrote in article
<[email]>...

  They try to make them as fair as possible. Liberals will always make
excuses and will never face the truth.

if you were stuck in a backwoods

"Queen Hetop-Heres II, of the Fourth Dynasty, the daughter of Cheops, the
builder of the great pyramid, is shown in the colored bas reliefs of her
tomb to have been a distinct blonde. Her hair is painted a bright yellow
stippled with little red horizontal lines, and her skin is white."

Coon, Carleton Stevens. The Races of Europe. New York City, Macmillan.
1939, p.98

   The tomb of the wife of Zoser, the builder of the first pyramid in
Egypt, has a painting of her showing her with reddish-blond hair.

Heyerdahl, Thor, The Ra Expeditions, Garden City, Doubleday, 1971, p.249

   The mummy of Rameses II has yellow hair.

Egypt: Land of the Pharaohs, Time-Life books, Alexandria, VA 1992 p.8

    "A funerary mask with the attributes of the goddess Isis shows a vivid
blue-green color of eyes.

A General Introduction to the Egyptian Collections in the the British
Museam. London, Harrison and Sons, 1930, p.49

   The mummy of the wife of King Tutankhamen has auburn hair.

Carter, Michael, Tutankhamun, The Golden Monarch, N.Y. 1972 p.68

Red-haired mummies were found in the crocodile-caverns of Aboufaida.

Tomkins, Henry George, Remarks on Mr. Flinders Petries Collection of
Ethnographic Types from the Monuments of Egypt, Journal of the
Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland Vol. XVIIII, 1889,
p.216

The mummy of Rameses II has fine silky yellow hair.

Smith, G. Elliot and Dawson, Warren R. Egyptian Mummies, London, George
Allen and Unwin Ltd., 1924 p.99

   A blond mummy was found at Kawamil along with many chestnut-colored
ones.

De Lapouge, G. Vacher, L'Aryen, Sa Vie Sociale. Paris, Pichat, 1899, p.26

     Amenhotep III's tomb painting  shows him as having light red hair.

National Geographic Society, Ancient Egypt, Discovering its Splendors,1978
p.103

    An Egyptian scribe named Sakkarah around 2500 B.C. has blue eyes.

Strouhal, Eugen, Life of the Ancient Egyptians, Norman, Oklahoma,
University of Oklahoma Press, 1992, p.53

      A common good luck charm was the eye of Horus, the so-called Wedjat
Eye. The eye is always blue, and the word "wedjat" means "blue" in
Egyptian.

     Queen Thi  is painted as having a rosy complexion, blue eyes and blond
hair.

Hamy, E.T., "Races Humaines de la Vallee du Nil" Bulletin de la Societe
d'Anthropologie de Paris, 1886, p.739

    Paintings from the Third Dynasty show native Egyptians with red hair
and blue eyes.

Pijoan, Jose, Historia del Arte Vol III, Madrid, Espasa-Calpe, 1932, plate
XI

     The god Nuit was painted as white and blond.

Champollion, H., Le Nil et la Societe Egyptienne, Marseille, Musee Boreby,
1973 p.94

   A painting from Iteti's tomb at Saqqara shows a very Nordic-looking man
with blond hair.

Westendorf, Wolfhart, Painting, Sculpture and Architecture of Ancient
Egypt. New York, Harry N. Abrams, Inc. 1968 p.65

    Time-Life books recently put out a volume called Rameses II The Great.
It has a good picture of the blond mummy of Rameses II. Another picture can
be found in the book X-Raying the Pharaohs, especially the picture on the
jacket cover. It shows his yellow hair.

    A book called Chronicle of the Pharaohs was recently published showing
paintings,scuptures and mummies of 189 pharaohs and leading personalities
of Ancient Egypt. Of these, 102 appear European, 13 look black and the rest
are hard to classify. All nine mummies look European.

    The very first pharaoh, Narmer, also known as Menes, looks very
European, The same can be said for Khufu's cousin Hemon, who designed the
Great Pyramid of Giza. A computer-generated reconstruction of the face of
the Sphinx shows a European-looking face.

Egypt: Land of the Pharaohs, Time-Life books Alexandria, VA 1992 p.67

    It was once painted sunburned red.

Silverberg, Robert, Before the Sphinx; Early Egypt N.Y., N.Y., T. Nelson
1971 p.168

      The Egyptians often painted upper class men as red and upper class
women as white; this because the men became sunburned or tanned while
outside under the burning Egyptian sun.

       The information above is part of the information compiled by Phillip
Bonner and was printed in The Barnes Review, 130 Third Street, SE,
Washington, D.C. 20003

Kosherite/Hitler

  Nonsense. You have your beliefs because your only source of information
is the Jewish controlled media:

         There was a book in ordinary bookstores called "An Empire of Their
Own". It was a pro-Jewish book but it showed that the Jews ran Hollywood.

       Here are some quotes from a magazine for Jews called "Moment". It is
subtitled "The Jewish magazine for the 90's" These quotes are from the Aug
1996 edition after the Headline "Jews Run Hollywood - So What?":

       "It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish power
and prominence in popular culture. Any list of the most influential
pruduction executives at each of the major movie studios will produce a
heavy majority of recognizably Jewish names."

        "the famous Disney organization, which was founded by Walt Disney,
a gentile Midwesterner who allegedly harbored anti-Semetic attitudes, now
features Jewish personnel in nearly all its most powerful positions."

       The head of Walt Disney studios is now the Jew Michael Eisner. On
studios that were bought out by the Japanese the magazine says:

"When Mitsushita took over MCA-Universal, they did nothing to undermine the
unquestioned authority of Universal's legendary - and all Jewish -
management triad of Lew Wasserman, Sid Scheinberg, and Tom Pollack."

        Here are some quotes from the paper "Jews Control the Media and
Rule America"

       "American Broadcasting Companies (ABC), Coumbia Broadcasting System
(CBS), and National Broadcasting Company (NBC). Each of these three has
been under the absolute control of a single man over a long enough period
of time--ranging from 32 to 55 years--for him to staff the corporation at
every level with officers of his choosing and then to place his imprint
indelibly upon it. In each case that man has been a Jew.
       "Until 1985, when ABC merged with Capital Cities Communications,
Inc...the chairman of the board of directors and chief executive officer
(CEO) of the network was Leonard Harry Goldenson, a Jew...In an interview
in the April 1, 1985 issue of Newsweek, Goldenson boasted 'I built this
company (ABC) from scratch.'"

       "CBS was under the domination of William S. Paley for more than half
a century. The son of immigrant Jews from Russia..."

      "There has been no move by top G-E management to change the Jewish
"profile" of NBC or to replace key Jewish personel. To the contrary, new
Jewish executives have been added: an example is Steve Friedman..."

     "The man in charge of  the television entertainment division at CBS is
Jeff Sagansky. At ABC the entertainment division is run by two
men....nearly all of the men who shape young Amercians' concept of reality,
of good and evil, of permissible and impermissible behavior are Jews. In
particular, Sagansky and Bloomberg arre Jews. So is Tartikoff. Littlefield
is the only Gentile who has had a significant role in TV entertainment
programming in recent years."

      "American Film magazine listed the top 10...entertainment companies
and their CEOs...Time Warner Communications (Steven J Ross, Jew) Walt
Disney Co. (Michael D. Eisner, Jew)...Of the 10 top entertainment CEOs
listed above, eight are Jews."

      "The Newhouse media empire provides an example of more than a lack of
real competition among America's daily newspapers; it also illustrates the
insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all organs of opinion... The
Newhouse's own 31 daily newspapers, including several large and important
ones, such as the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Newark Star-Ledger, and the
New Orleans Times-Picayune; the nation's largest trade  book publishing
conglomerate,  Random House, with all its subsideries; Newhouse
Broadcasting, consisting of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87
cable-TV systems, including some of the countries largest cable networks-
the Sunday supplement Parade, with a circulation of more than 22 million
copies per week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker,
Vogue, Madamoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, HQ, Bride's, Gentlemen's
Quarterly, Self, Home&Garden...."

     "Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile ownership and
management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish advertising..."

      "the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington
Post. These three...are the newspapers which set trends and guidlines for
nearly all others. They are the ones which decide what is news and what
isn't, at national and international levels. They originate the news; the
others merely copy it. And all three newspapers are in Jewish hands...The
Suzberger family also owns, through the New York Times Co. 36 other
newspapers; twelve magazines, including McCall's and Family Circle..."

     "New York's other newspapers are in no better hands than the Daily
News. The New York Post is owned by billionare Jewish real-estate developer
Peter Kalikow. The Village Voice is the personal property of Leonard Stern,
the billionaire Jewish owner of..."

     "There are only three newsmagazines of any note published in the
United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report....The CEO of
Time Warner Communications is Steven J. Ross, and he is a Jew.
       "Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post
Co., under the Jewess Katherine Meyer Graham..."
      "U.S. News & World Report... owned and published by Jewish real
estate developer Mortimer B. Zucherman..."

      " The three largest book publishers...Random House... Simon &
Schuster , and Time Inc. Book Co....All three are owned or controlled by
Jews...The CEO of Simon & Schuster if Richard Snyder, and the president is
Jeremy Kaplan; both are Jews too."

 "Western Publishing...ranks first among publishers of childrens books,
with more than 50 per cent of the market. Its chairman and CEO is Richard
Bernstein, a Jew."

     "Jewish spokesmen customarily will use evasive tactics. "Ted Turner
isn't a Jew!" they will announce..."

     "We are doing more than  merely giving them a decisive influence on
our political system and virtual control of our government; we also are
giving them control of the minds and souls of our children..."

cybernetics.
so a
leftist


author: Pontiff Maximus

subject: Re: Mike Tyson 'Busted Again'

text:
At least there is one nigger that can't own a gun! Didn't stop OJ!

"Nomen Nescio" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
assault allegation was made against the former heavyweight champion.
evidence related to a recent sexual assault in Nevada, police Lt. Tom
Monahan said.
one step in a very lengthy investigation. No arrests are imminent."
said, because the investigation is ongoing.
the Clark County district attorney's office to determine whether charges
will be filed, Monahan said.

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author: Timberwolf

subject: Re: Mike Tyson 'Busted Again'

text:
"Dumbass Maximus" <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

At least there is one nigger that can't own a gun! Didn't stop OJ!

  Hey there Chief...learn to read before you open your big, uninformed
mouth!
The police are 'investigating' a complaint. NO CHARGES have been
filed!!
Therefore, he has NOT been busted!! And you call yourself a lawman!!
Hahahahahaha!!! What a joke!!! Now get back in your TeePee chief!

"Nomen Nescio" <[email]> wrote in message


subject: Re: Mike Tyson 'Busted Again'

text:
On 28 Sep 2001 12:24:27 -0700, [email] (Timberwolf)
wrote:

I'm taking bets. 10-1 odds. Any takers? C'mon niggers, surely you
think Tyson is innocent.


author: Prophet

subject: Re: Mike Tyson 'Busted Again'

text:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 04:19:02 GMT, [email]
((s89)) wrote:

How is it that you have time to post in the newsgroups?
Aren't you busy at your local GOP headquarters?


author: Fred

subject: Re: Mike Tyson 'Busted Again'

text:
Let's see, This is the second time in less than 6 months he has been accused of this. I think the nigger
needs a kick in the ass up the gallows stairs.

Prophet wrote:


subject: #Is Kangarupe going down in flames?

text:
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/276-74/8049-rupert-murdoch-news-
corps-great-dictator-on-the-brink

Rupert Murdoch: News Corp's Great Dictator on the Brink

By Michael Wolff, Guardian UK

22 October 11

    He was as combative, up against it and past his prime as 2011's other
fallen tyrants. This was likely his last shareholders' meeting.

nder normal circumstances, Rupert Murdoch doesn't have much patience for
the annual shareholders' meetings that are required by law of American
public companies. He regards them as a farce, because they cannot change
the outcome in a company where a voting majority is secure, and as an
exercise in liberal corporate law designed to put him personally on the
spot.

Still, his handlers, whose job is, in part, to protect him from himself,
have long made him train for these meetings as though he's going into a
presidential debate. Without rigorous practice, he is quite liable to not
pay attention and appear quite bewildered, or pay too much attention and
explode in fury, or worse, truthful exasperation.

"He's going to keep asking me why there are no women on the board,"
Murdoch once told me as his PR aide, Gary Ginsberg, was trying to cajole
him into a practice session. "He wants to make sure I don't say, 'because
they talk too much.'"

The fine line at News Corp has always been between Murdoch's almost
deadset insistence that he be able to treat the company as his private
preserve, and his handlers' (lawyers, CFOs, press people) more
straightforward understanding that it is, in fact, a public company.

On this basic issue, push could not have come more to shove than at
Friday's meeting. The fundamental sham of a public company - one run
first and foremost by and for the Murdoch family, and countenanced by one
of the famous quiescent corporate boards in American business - was being
challenged by long-oppressed but newly galvanised shareholders.

It was a recognisable Murdoch in the midst of it all - as combative,
determined, up against it and past his prime as the year's other fallen
dictators. His hearing is shot and he won't admit it; thus he somehow
seems to answer off-point (his handlers are allowed to mention his
hearing issues, but there is a lot of prepping so that he can anticipate
the questions). His mind wanders and he has to forcibly refocus; hence
his pauses. But he remains sharp as a tack when he feels impatient or
personally under fire.

Stephen Mayne, his long-time Australian gadfly antagonist, played his
part, and Murdoch seemed almost relieved to play his. They've been doing
this for years. Of course, there was Tom Watson, the British MP, whom
Murdoch seemed to tolerate - if just barely - as an obvious publicity-
seeker. And the various others whom he surely believed he had effectively
dismissed, both by his own tartness and by closing down the meeting early.

In some sense, it rather seemed that Murdoch just regarded this as
shareholders - those dumb sons-of-bitches - doing what shareholders
always do: complain into the wind. Just a little more so, with a little
more security, with the company having to retreat to a fortified room
behind the Fox gates (rather than the usual junky theater in mid-town
Manhattan where they ordinarily conduct the meeting) - and with Murdoch
himself having to offer a bit more self-justification than he might be
used to.

There was nothing really to indicate Murdoch might suspect that more had
changed this year than at any time in the past, that his company would
not be able to run as a private entity any more, that the forces set in
motion would mount, not subside, and that, likely, this would be the last
annual meeting over which he would preside.
--
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution
inevitable” -JFK


author: Phlip

subject: Re: #Is Kangarupe going down in flames?

text:
And yet that's why Murdoch serves two masters - the pretense of a
company, including its advertiser revenue...

...and a back channel to the GOP's shadow power brokers. They invest,
_outside_ the revenue system, and _without_ buying noisy
advertisements. These would draw attention to their real agenda.
Murdoch's product, to them, is a reliably brainwashed constituency of
ditto-heads and Big Lie spreaders.

Nice conclusion, but I would have expected this author to research
more dots to connect, instead of simply comparing Murdoch's personal
style at the meeting (think Emperor Caligula called upon to do one of
his religious High Pontiff duties, and just rushing through it) to
veiled references to his scandals-upon-scandals.


subject: Re: #Is Kangarupe going down in flames?

text:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:22:18 -0700, Phlip wrote:

Part of that may simply be that this was in the Guardian, which has been
extensively writing on Murdoch for the better part of a decade now and
clearly recognize the danger the man presents to the UK.

--
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution
inevitable” -JFK

--
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution
inevitable” -JFK


author: Talley

subject: Re: Filthy JW Murderer MILTON HENSCHEL Joins His Master Satan The Devil

text:
PB,

~~~ did a Mild Breeze just blow in?? <g>

It's Good To See Your Font!

Take Yo' Shoes Off, 'n Stay A While...

TT


author: Sherwood

subject:
Re: Filthy JW Murderer MILTON HENSCHEL Joins His Master Satan The
 Devil

text:
Talley wrote:

	You know those terrorist are always in hiding . . ;O)

Sherwood


author: Stephen Andrewartha

subject: Re: Filthy JW Murderer MILTON HENSCHEL Joins His Master Satan TheDevil

text:
Sherwood wrote:

Indeed. In PB's case, hiding behind an anonymous remailer.

I'm just *sure* there's some conclusion I should be drawing
from the similarity between the pejorative-laden writing style
and anti-WTS hysteria of PB and Talley, together with the
fact that PB posts via an anonymous remailer. But it just
won't click.

Any help, anybody?

Stephen.


text:
Stephen Andrewartha wrote:

	IT's a lawyer showcasing various people's anti-jw positions through out
time.  Those 'tap' into the security scheme are permitted to speak
'through' IT, thus ITs writing style craftily changes from post to post.
  Your assumption to wonder about TT association PB is purposefully and
deceitfully simulated.

	Consider:
These hate-monger type anti-JW atheist, like TT (not all atheist),
believe JW's are the only ones to be beguilded by a Wizard hiding behind
the curtain in OZ BLASTING FIERY Judgments.

	ROTFLOL!

Excuse the spelling, no spell checker

Peace Out ;-)

Sherwood


author: DharmaTroll

subject: Re: Dawkins’ Mindless Delusions

text:
On Jan 10, 2:01 am, halfawake <[email]> wrote:

Oh I know that, Robbie. I put zenworm almost in the same category as
Keynes: silly folks who are comic relief but have insights from time
to time. The worm likes to step into the ring and hit me with a
breakaway chair when I'm kicking Keynes in the ribs, you see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJb07nPTLqY

--DharmaTroll


author: halfawake

subject: Re: Dawkins’ Mindless Delusions

text:
DharmaTroll wrote:

well, I'm up too late.  I'm starting to hallucinate that all you people
with weird pseudonyms are real!

Robert

= = = = = = =


subject: Re: Dawkins’ Mindless Delusions

text:
Nobody in Particular wrote:

thanks for that...whoever you're not...

robert


author: HIND

subject: Fasting - Ramadan --  is spiritually and physically beneficial - It is a reformation... It takes human-self from its raw-stage to most-purified-stage of peace with God....It enhances moral/social values and standards of worship...Ramadan brings about 'lustre/splendour' to the heart through which the door to visions opens...One foregoes many permissible things for the sake of God during fasting and that is the reason God Himself declares to be the reward for it...Those who are temporarily unable to fast are exempt with certain conditions...

text:
Peace be upon you and all....
(1)- Fasting in the month of Ramadan is indeed a [spiritual] striving,
an endeavour and it is only through such striving that one develops in
righteousness (taqwa) and attains nearness to God.
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(2)-The days of Ramadan are but few [Al Baqarah (2:185, 186)] and are
made obligatory so that effort can be made to attain the purpose of
life, which is to become a true servant of God....However, God is not
unfair, fasting is not intended as cruelty so those who are
temporarily unable to fast are exempt from doing so......Those who have
short-term illness or have to make urgent travels are exempt from
fasting during Ramadan....However, once they are better they need to
keep the fasts which were missed.....The illness that makes one exempt
from fasting should not be a mere excuse of an illness, similarly
commuting for work does not constitute 'travel' in this connotation.....
Indeed Allah cares for His true servants.
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(3)- In addition, those who do not have the strength to fast may give
expiation (fidya). Those who can fast at a later time may also give
fidya, it is a virtue. However it is essential for them to fast at a
later time.....The Promised Messiah (on whom be peace) explained that
those who can pay expiation /fidya and be exempt are those who do not
hope to be able to fast at a later time, like the elderly or expectant
mothers etc. It is not warrantable for others to simply pay fidya and
not fast, assuming disability.
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(4)- Islam is a religion in line with nature, therefore it makes
allowances for situations which naturally arise in life...However,
attainment of righteousness/taqwa should always be the aim, so if
fasting is not possible then either a needy person should be fed or
expiation /fidya paid.....The Salat /Prayer which has not been observed
with good intention will be thrown back at the worshipper, as is said
in a Hadith, similarly fidya that is given with bad intent will be
thrown back at the person.....The Promised Messiah (on whom be peace)
said that fidya is for those who do not have the strength or capacity
to fast. He said a religion which does not have any striving is
nothing.
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(5)- Fasting is not only spiritually beneficial but as science is now
acknowledging it has physical benefits as well.
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(6)- The Promised Messiah (on whom be peace) said that a person whose
heart is gladdened at the arrival of Ramadan but who cannot go on to
fast due to illness is deemed as fasting in the heavens. He said one
should always avoid excuses and pretexts.
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(7)- Holy Qur'an is a great source of guidance and nothing in it is
without the objective of benefit. It encompasses direction to develop
spiritual and moral values. Indeed, it also carries within it aspects
of worldly knowledge and states knowledge of which no one had an
awareness 1400 years ago but which are being proven now......The first
revelation of the Holy Qur'an was revealed in the month of Ramadan
(96:2)....The very first revelation pointed to the fact that the Creator
of the entire universe is God and He alone is worthy of worship.....
Surah Al Alaq (Ch. 96) closes on the message that worship of God alone
(sadja/prostration) is the source to attain nearness to Him.
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(8)- One way of worship that beautifies worship further and which
purifies the soul is fasting in Ramadan. It is a form of worship, a
striving that has Allah Himself as its reward.... Fasting is obligatory
(2:185, 186), so believers should not be negligent in understanding
this. The 'worship' of fasting can be a source of reformation as a
believer avoids many vices during fasting, in fact a believer also
foregoes many permissible things for the sake of Allah during fasting
and that is the reason Allah Himself declares to be the reward for
it.
(9)- The Holy Qur'an which was revealed in Ramadan is a guidance for
all time and age and now there is no requirement for another Shariah
(religious law)... One who wishes to seek this guidance with good
intentions will find manifest signs in it that will distinguish the
truth from falsehood..... Its commandments are comprehensive, detailed
with argument and reasoning, specifying all the pros and cons...In
addition it also presents reasoning and argument of its own veracity
as well as of what is false.....One who is blessed with such a book
should try and fulfill all its commandments, one such commandment is
to fast during Ramadan, to develop spiritually, to attain Divine
nearness and then to relate Allah's favor and grace.
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(10)- Not only was the Holy Qur'an revealed as the perfect guidance
but through Ramadan one is annually reminded that this blessed
guidance was first revealed in this month. This fact focuses on
raising the standard of worship during this month as well as enhancing
moral/social values so that one is as far removed from the evil of the
self as possible....The Promised Messiah (on whom be peace) said that
Ramadan brings about 'lustre/splendour' to the heart through which the
door to visions opens and one can 'see' God [in spiritual sense of
course].
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(11)- During this month Prayer/Salat is specifically offered to truly
seek purification of the self, each such Salat is offered with utmost
sincerity and completely devoid of any external influence, mindful
that Allah is watching. Purification of self is swift through such a
Salat and is only attained by those who fear Allah in secret/private.
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(12)- The ambience of Ramadan and observance of Salat brings about
purification of the soul which enables human to get rid of "nafs e
ammarah" (raw-stage of human-self which incites to evil) promptly
because these are the days when Satan is bound up in chains [metaphor]
.... Indeed our sincere efforts during Ramadan may take us from the
stage of "nafse lawwama" (reproving-stage of human-self) to "nafse
mutmainah" (soul at rest, most purifed stage of human-self). Indeed
Allah grants each person in accordance to their capacity.
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(13)- In Each Ramadan during the lifetime of the Holy Prophet (peace
and blessings of Allah be on him) Angel Gabriel used to revise all the
hitherto revealed Qur'an with the Prophet. During his last Ramadan the
revision was done twice. This draws the attention to the fact that
while one is fasting and offering sincere Salat, one should also read
the Holy Qur'an during Ramadan and listen explanatory lectures/Dars
(www.mta.tv ) One should also try and implement the Quranic
commandments in one's live; only then will one  be able to derive true
beneficence from it and will be among those who are grateful.
(14)-The holy Caliph also prayed to Allah for the enablement of
receiving all the blessings of Ramadan.
Promised divine peace of latter days @  www.alislam.org    www.mta.tv
with
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE.


author: beavis

subject: Re: Fasting - Ramadan -- is spiritually and physically beneficial - It is a reformation... It takes human-self from its raw-stage to most-purified-stage of peace with God....It enhances moral/social values and standards of worship...Ramadan brings about 'lustre/splendour' to the heart through which the door to visions opens...One foregoes many permissible things for the sake of God during fasting and that is the reason God Himself declares to be the reward for it...Those who are temporarily unable to fast are exempt with certain conditions...

text:
On Sep 27, 1:57 pm, johnnash <[email]> wrote:

Here is a quote from the koran. It may answer some questions.

Koran 9/12

The great allah grasped the beast from behind and thrust his full 2
inches into the buttocks of the holy swine and alas, 9 months later
the great prophet, mohammed was born.


author: johnnash

text:
On Sep 27, 9:42 pm, HIND <[email]> wrote:

if holy quran is the greatest book of guidance, then why are muslims
so misguided my deluded friend ? they seem to be doing everything
wrong these days.


text:
On Sep 27, 12:42 pm, HIND <[email]> wrote:

Can you quote the verse that tells how to blow yourself up to kill
other muslims? thanks

Didn't mohammed butt-fuck pigs?


author: maz

subject: Re: Fasting - Ramadan --  is spiritually and physically beneficial - It is a reformation... It takes human-self from its raw-stage to most-purified-stage of peace with God....It enhances moral/social values and standards of worship...Ramadan brings about '

text:
The really ONEderful thing this year
was the coinciding events of Jom Kipur,
the Ramadan and the Peace Week!

namaztï¿½
www.acimradio.net/urwork


author: HSUmo

subject: HELP!!!

text:
I have this really good friend whom I trust and she trusts me too.  And
well, yesterday, she called and was sobbing like crazy...  So I asked her
what is wrong, she couldn't say it.  I sort of figured it out what
happened.  She was raped.  Not by some stranger, but by her "friend", it
happend about four month ago already, and then yesterday.  I was
furious.  I would want to go and punch the guy's lights out, but I am
3000 miles away...  I really don't know what to do, no one knows about
her situation, and she wouldn't call the campus police, nor call the
hotlines nor go to the support groups.  I don't know what to do, or how
to comfort her.  She keeps on thinking that it is her fault, that she
could have somehow prevented from happening.  She is totally scared of
him, everytime she sees him on campus.  That stupid idiot keeps on
calling her and nagging her too.  I guess it is because they went out
about 6months ago, but she broke up with him already.  Can't the guy get
a clue.  Man, if she gets pregnent, her world would be over.  What should
I do?  I am all lost...
	-mike


author: SOShoup

subject: Re: HELP!!!

text:
Mike,

I, too, had a good friend raped. It causes blinding pain and confusion in
the victim, and, to a lesser extent, those who care about her.  Just let
her know you still value her, care about her, that you don't blame her and
realize she was wronged. It suspect she's going to go through an enormous
range of emotions, so be ready. Just be ready to talk, listen and care.
And it really has to be her choice whether to call the police. What's
important is to let the victim know she still has choices and people who
care. And be sure to consider your feelings. You may wish to talk to
someone who cares, too. That will give you strength for yourself and for
your friend. Good luck!


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: HELP!!!

text:
In article <3gragq$[email]>, [email] (HSUmo) writes:

Mike, I am so sorry for your friend, and for you.  It sounds as if you are
already a good friend to her and I am glad she had you to turn to.  You can
continue to reassure her, and also maybe suggest she go to the counseling
center on her campus (if they have one).  Remember you can't fix things for
her, only listen and be supportive.  Goodluck to you and to her.  GAil


Despite Israel's Past Agreement to Halt the Expansion of Settlements,
	Construction Has Continued, According to Official Israeli Statistics


author: docremington

subject:
Re: Despite Israel's Past Agreement to Halt the Expansion of
	Settlements, Construction Has Continued, According to Official Israeli
	Statistics

text:
Don Ocean wrote:

Clearly, palisimians and general arabs should get a life.


text:
peace.seeker.27 wrote:

Cool. Contrary to what some funny people may think, jews need to live
somewhere too. Living is not an exclusively arab occupation.


text:
Deborah is confused. All of her quotes occurred before
the roadmap. See:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/05/20/GR2008052000194.html

On May 20, 12:24 pm, "[email]" <[email]>
wrote:


text:
[email] wrote:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26777622@N04/2508449919/


text:
torresD wrote:

There is no "palestinian land" in a palisimian sense of it, forget it.

Interesting, so, in a similar fashion, palisimians can go back to
where they came from, can't they?

Provided, the latter had it, in the first place, which they did not,
of course.


author: Mirelle

text:
On May 20, 9:24 am, "[email]" <[email]>
wrote:
Are you dressed on drag, rosen/slime?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26800421@N06/2508832227/

Mirelle


text:
"The coming years will be marked by the extension
of construction in greater Jerusalem."
    "The government will continue to reinforce Jewish
settlement along the confrontation lines, because of its
importance for security, and in metroplitan Jerusalem.
There is no disagreement in this house concerning
Jerusalem's being the eternal capital of Israel."
     "Jerusalem, whole and unified, has been and forever
will be the capital of the people of Israel under Israeli
sovereignty, the focus of every Jew's dreams and longings.
This government is firm in its resolve that Jerusalem is
not a subject for bargaining."
    "Israeli settlements in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza will
remain under Israeli rule with no change in their status."
     "In whatever negotiation, we will be firm in our stand
that Jerusalem is and will continue to be united and our
eternal capital. From our perspective, Jerusalem of Gold,
of Copper, and of Light - is ours."
- Yitzchak Rabin, 13 July 1992

     "In this agreement, which will allow the
Palestinians to manage their own affairs, the following
Assurances are made to Israel:
    "Unified Jerusalem shall remain under Israeli control,
and the body that will be the administrative authority
for Palestinians in the territories shall have no
authority there."
    "Israeli settlements in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza will
remain under Israeli rule with no change in their
status."
- Rabin, 21 September 1993

     "The borders of the State of Israel, during the
Permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which
existed before the Six Day War. We will not return
to the 4 June 1967 lines."
     "And these are the main changes, not all of
them, which we envision and want in the permanent
solution:
     "First and foremost, united Jerusalem, which will
Include both Ma'ale Adumim and Givat Ze'ev -- as the
capital of Israel, under Israeli sovereignty, while
preserving the rights of the members of the other
faiths, Christianity and Islam, to freedom of access
and freedom of worship in their holy places, according
to the customs of their faiths.
     "The security border of the State of Israel will
Be located in the Jordan Valley, in the broadest meaning
Of that term."
     "We committed ourselves, that is, we came to an
agreement, and committed ourselves before the Knesset,
not to uproot a single settlement in the framework of
the interim agreement, and not to hinder building for
natural growth."
- Rabin, 1994

"We, gentlemen, will not permit terrorism to defeat peace.
We will not allow it. If we do not have partners in this
bitter, difficult war, we will fight it alone. We know
how to fight - and we know how to win."
- Rabin, 1995

"Yitzhak would never have offered Palestinians control
over parts of the Old City of Jerusalem"
- Leah Rabin, 2000

Deborah


text:
On May 20, 9:24 am, "[email]" <[email]>
wrote:
We have seen you, rosen/slime.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26777622@N04/2508449919/

Mirelle


author: torresD

subject: Re: Despite Israel's Past Agreement to Halt the Expansion of Settlements, Construction Has Continued, According to Official Israeli Statistics

text:
"docremington" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Jews don't have to live on Palestinian Land.

Jews could come and live in the USA, anytime they want.

They can leave the Palestinians alone, in peace, in their own land.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14188.htm


author: Don Ocean

subject:
Re: Despite Israel's Past Agreement to Halt the Expansion of    Settlements,
 Construction Has Continued, According to Official Israeli    Statistics

text:
docremington wrote:

Thats the only thing you have posted that I agree with.. We will *NOT*
ever have peace in the ME as long as the Jews are there though.


subject: Re: Despite Israel's Past Agreement to Halt the Expansion of  Settlements, Construction Has Continued, According to Official Israeli  Statistics

text:
On 20-May-2008, [email] wrote:

Sorry, Vera, your stolen/made-up ohotos of Ed have disappeared!

Susan

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subject:
Re: Despite Israel's Past Agreement to Halt the Expansion of Settlements,
 Construction Has Continued, According to Official Israeli Statistics

text:
torresD wrote:

We already have a problem with the over 5 million Jews that are already
here. Please take ours too.


author: Pro-Humanist FREELOVER

subject: Church shooting tragedy in Wisconsin

text:
Condolences to friends, family, and acquaintances
of those killed in yesterday's tragic murder/suicide
in Wisconsin. All pro-human folks feel sympathy
and remorse when events such as this occur.

- - -

The naturalistic fact is that in a country loaded
with death-dealing devices (guns), the risk of this
occurring any time and at almost any place exists.

The naturalistic fact is that this occurs more fre-
quently in America than in any country of the world
except Iraq, a country plagued by religious suicide-
mass murderers at the current time.

Of note, the naturalistic fact is that it does appear
that the gunman in this case was a bible-toting
devout christian who killed at the very church he
attended for years. The naturalistic and, in all
likelihood, religiously influenced motive for his
doing the killings/suicide are under investigation.

The ability of religion to be a positive force, oft-
times promoted by religious authority figures, is
naturalistically and evidentially contradicted and
not supported when religious followers commit
acts of mass murder and suicide.

The ability of God or religious faith to be a pro-
tective agent (in this life) or for prayer to be a
demonstrated protector of believers is naturalist-
ically not supported and is contradicted when
mass death events (like the recent tsunami -and-
this church shooting) occur indiscriminately to
the humans who happen to be in the vicinity of
the life-endangering event.

- - -

The gunman who committed these murders and
his own suicide? Terry Ratzmann (excerpts from
the following article pertaining to the gunman) ...

 ... 44, of New Berlin, Wis. ... the gunman was affil-
iated with the Living Church of God, which has met
on Saturday mornings at the hotel, the 389-room
Sheraton, for four or five years ...

 ... Mr. Ratzmann was a computer programmer and
prolific gardener who mostly kept to himself but
dressed in a tie, jacket and dress pants every Sat-
urday for church. "He's a normal Joe, you know,
he's the guy that you'd never suspect to have done
this," said Shane Colwell, who lives across the alley
from the Ratzmanns. "I don't want his mother think-
ing that she's raised a lunatic that she should have
known was going to do this."

 ... Mr. Ratzmann had built a garage, a greenhouse
and a filtration system that collected rainwater for
fish tanks where he raised trout and that he took his
Toyota pickup truck on camping trips to "listen to
the coyotes under the moonlight," but did not hunt.

"He said he never even shot a thing in his life," Mr.
Colwell said. "The guy caught bunny rabbits in a
humane trap and drove 20 miles to release them,
because he didn't want to kill them."

What is the Living Church of God?

The Living Church of God, according to its Web site,
is "a new organization with an old history," led by Dr.
Roderick C. Meredith, who was ordained in 1952.

Its 200 congregations observe Saturday as the true
Christian Sabbath - Mr. Colwell said Mr. Ratzmann
refused to attend his wedding because it was on the
Sabbath - and "members today view themselves as
the spiritual heirs of the original Jerusalem Church
of New Testament time," the Web site says.

The church's mission statement includes "preach
the end-time prophecies and the Ezekiel warning,
particularly to the 'Israelitish' peoples"; "learn and
practice servant leadership in all our dealings with
others"; and "build an atmosphere of radiant faith
within God's Church."

The goal, the site says, is to "restore Apostolic
Christianity, and all that this implies."

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March 13, 2005
 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/national/13cnd-milwaukee.html
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Information regarding the 'Living Church of God'

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=1tbnsmro3fpm7?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Living+Church+of+God&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a

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subject: Re: Church shooting tragedy in Wisconsin

text:
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <[email]>
wrote in message news:[email]...
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=1tbnsmro3fpm7?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Living+Church+of+God&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04a

Here's a recent story describing the search for what
may have caused the gunman to commit the act of
mass murder/suicide. Key excerpt: "... The national
director of church administration, Charles Bryce,
disputed reports about Mr. Ratzmann's angry depar-
ture from the Feb. 26 service but declined to dis-
cuss that week's videotaped sermon. ..."

---
Police Focus on Religion in Milwaukee Shootings
By Jodi Wilgoren

Published: March 15, 2005
 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/15/national/15milwaukee.html
---

Excerpt:

The police said Monday that they were increasingly
focused on religion as the motive for a man's murder-
ous rampage through a church service on Saturday
at a suburban Milwaukee hotel, promising a full investi-
gation even though the killings ended in suicide.

The local pastor of the Living Church of God, Randy
L. Gregory, who was killed along with his 16-year-old
son, appears to have been executed, the authorities
said, while others among the seven dead and four
injured were shot at random.

An earlier theory that the gunman, Terry Ratzmann,
may have been upset about losing his job has been
discarded after the police found that he had long
known his contract as a computer technician for GE
Healthcare would end on March 25. The authorities
also said they found no evidence to support church
members' reports that Mr. Ratzmann, 44, suffered
from depression, and said that he was not on medi-
cation.

So while they remain unable to explain why Mr. Ratz-
mann stormed out of services two weeks before - or
even whether the sermon that upset him was given
via videotape by the church's international leader,
Roderick C. Meredith, or by Mr. Gregory - the police
see the little-known church as the key.

"We believe that the motive has something to do with
the church and the church services more so than any
other possible motive," Capt. Phil Horter of the Brook-
field, Wis., Police Department said at a news confer-
ence on Monday. "We're looking at the church totality,
whether it's members of the church, members of the
hierarchy of the church, the sermons of the church,"
he added.

Investigators are combing through some 1,000 e-mail
messages and other files, about 70 of them encrypted,
on three computers seized from the home where Mr.
Ratzmann lived with his mother and sister, and one
from his office. A message left on the Ratzmanns'
answering machine on Monday was not returned.

"You're looking for logic in an illogical act," the Wauke-
sha County district attorney, Paul Bucher, told reporters
on Monday.

The Living Church of God, an offshoot of a sect seen
by some as a cult, the Worldwide Church of God, is
a fringe group that advocates literal adherence to the
Bible, observes a Saturday Sabbath, rejects the Holy
Trinity concept and frequently focuses on a coming
apocalypse. The national director of church adminis-
tration, Charles Bryce, disputed reports about Mr. Ratz-
mann's angry departure from the Feb. 26 service but
declined to discuss that week's videotaped sermon.

"We are a peaceful church," said Mr. Bryce, who flew
to Wisconsin from the church's headquarters in North
Carolina on Sunday to counsel local church members.

The police said Monday that Mr. Ratzmann purchased
the 9-millimeter handgun used in Saturday's shootings
last June. They said he was seen at the hotel on Satur-
day morning holding a briefcase, and apparently re-
turned home, where the briefcase - containing a Bible -
was found, before bursting into the hotel ballroom
brandishing the handgun 20 minutes after the 12:30 p.m.
service began.

- - - end excerpt - - -

This story reminds me of of another recent tragedy
in the U.S., the murders/suicides at Columbine and
in a church in Fort Worth:

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Columbine Revisited, For the Record
(Top Posts - Social/Legal - 033001)
 http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/social_legal/columbine.htm
---

Excerpts:

I still can't get it out of my mind. The nightmare at Columbine
still haunts me, renders heartbreak on my heart and soul.

The facts:

o 2 teenage boys, harassed and emotionally disturbed, set
   out to slaughter their classmates and teachers.

o 12 students died, 1 teacher died, and the 2 boys committed
   suicide.

o Anti-atheists and pro-religionists used the travesty as grounds
   for actively opposing disbelief and promoting faith based on
   the tragedy.

 ...

Jefferson County District Judge Brooke Jackson ordered
the release of 11,000 pages of material, mostly eyewitness
accounts recorded by investigating officers. ...

The testimony substantiates an argument investigators have
been trying to make since September 1999: The massacre
at Columbine was random and indiscriminate -- it wasn't
based on targeted groups or a hit list. (Though several so-
called hit lists did exist, they don't appear to have played
any role in the final killings.)

... Bullying at Columbine High was rampant, witnesses testi-
fied Monday, and victims' parents were shocked that the
principal has said there were no danger signs leading to the
shooting. ....

The first speaker of the day, former Columbine special edu-
cation assistant Patti Stevens, said her students were terrified
of bullying.

 ...  I posted many analyses of these events after the events
occurred. There was the appearance of exaggeration and
abuse by "christians with a cause", especially regarding Rachel
Scott and now, it appears, the exaggerations were also appli-
cable to Cassie Bernall. This in no way diminishes the sadness
we feel regarding Cassie's and Rachel's deaths nor does it
diminish the sympathy we feel towards those family members
and friends devastated by those tragic events.

However, now, in a clear moment of reason and a clearer under-
standing of what actually occurred, we must not stand idly by
while mythmakers and scare-mongers attempt to abuse the
tragedy for their personal political and religious causes.

 ...  From Val's dad . . .

"She really did a testimonial (to God and her Roman Catholic
faith),'' Mark Schnurr said. "It wasn't like what they've been
saying that somebody pointed a gun in her face and said,
"Do you believe in God?'

"First, they shot her, and she said, "Oh my God!' She was on
the floor under the library table and one of them looked back
and said - "Do you believe in God?'

"She said, "Yes, my mom and dad brought me up that way.'
They were reloading a gun and she crawled back under the
table and they went away,'' Schnurr said.

 ...  May the 15 victims of this tragedy rest in peace, may those
who played a part in causing this tragedy (if anyone is found
to have actively participated, with malice and forethought)
be brought to justice, and may we all, christians and non-
christians alike, do our very best to work together to prevent
violence to/by our children.

 ...  From a reporter's poignant and personal Denver Post
Online article (regarding her experience on the day of the
tragedy) ...  "I thought of my 10-year-old daughter. She's a
fourth-grader at Leawood Elementary School, just four blocks
from Columbine. . . . [later that evening] I tucked my daughter
into bed, a freshly lost tooth waiting under the pillow for the
Tooth Fairy. She complained of a stomach ache, so I sat on
the bed to talk. Just before curling up under her quilt, my
daughter said, "If I had three wishes, I wish this had never
happened, I wish I didn't have to go to Columbine some day,
and I wish people didn't die.'' ...

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text:
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <[email]>
wrote in message news:[email]...

---
March 14, 2005
 http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/living/religion/11136481.htm
---

Excerpt:

 ...

"We believe that the motive has something to do
with the church and the church services, more so
than any other possible motive," said Brookfield
police Capt. Phil Horter. "We are looking at the
church totality."

In that Feb. 26 service, a taped sermon focused
on how bad fortune befalls those who make ungodly
choices, according to a parishioner, who was there
and had known Ratzmann for years. That woman
said Ratzmann had struggled with unemployment
in recent years. Others who knew Ratzmann said
he had lost a job he loved three years ago.

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author: Jigme Dorje

subject: Re: The supreme teaching (was Re: fear, loneliness, and hopelessness)

text:
On Jul 17, 2:01 pm, oxtail <[email]> wrote:

Yes, there's a prescription for more complexity. Think it over some
more.
The understanding comes with the experience, package deal.

Jesus is a reference to the energies of the body that connect us to
the whole, another portal. The term "Christ consciousness" is
sometimes used.  Why shouldn't Christians also have a right to
religious experience.  Why should Buddhists have all the fun?


author: Catawumpus

text:
Jigme Dorje <[email]>:

     Christian religious experience goes back a couple thousand
years or so.  Why would you want to appropriate it for the
purposes of your religion?  I may have answered my own question
there.

-- Catawumpus


author: Evelyn

text:
"Catawumpus" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Buddhist religious experience goes back about 2500 years,  500 years before
Christ.   Just sayin'.....


author: Keynes

text:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 04:08:05 -0400, Catawumpus <[email]> wrote:

You have questions?
I thought you only had answers.


text:
Jigme Dorje <[email]>:

Catawumpus <[email]>:

Evelyn <[email]>:

     You mean you're just repeating me.  I mentioned Buddhism's
2500 history just a couple days ago:  plenty of time to
develop a range of ideas, I was saying, though not quite enough
to remove the ones that you and Jigme are bothered by.
Anyway, _his_ religion seems to be a semi-random conglomeration.

-- Catawumpus


text:
Keynes <[email]>:

     Since when do you think?  Stapling cliches to whatever you
see doesn't qualify.

-- Catawumpus


text:
"Catawumpus" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Aren't they all really?   They all only pretend to be real and solid.


text:
Evelyn <[email]>:

[religions]

     Maybe in a few thousand years Jigmeism will have worked up
an equal pretence.

-- Catawumpus


author: Gregory Bloom

subject: Hubble Rumor

text:
I just heard an interesting rumor.  It seems that the 'delays'
they are having with the Hubble Space Telescope are actually an excuse
to allow 'them' to observe an anomaly that was discovered last October.
It seems that one of the new KH-12 spy satellites had inadvertently
been pointed at deep space and picked up a faint signal which, after
churning through all sorts of signal processing, turned out to have some
information content.  The intelligence powers-that-be turned a few screws
and managed to get first crack at Hubble, with a cover story of bumbling
engineers sending the wrong coordinates, which require a WEEK to reset.

    It sounds pretty bogus to me, but I have to admit it's hard to imagine
how sending the wrong coordinates could take a week to correct.

               -Just fanning the flames....


author: Doug Roberts

subject: Re: Hubble Rumor

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Gregory Bloom) writes:

Now _that_ is an interesting rumor. Where did you hear it?

--Doug


author: Chip Salzenberg

subject: Re: Hubble Rumor

text:
According to [email] (Gregory Bloom):

Psst!  You're right!  My friend at the NSA told me all about it!
He even told me the NSA code name for the project:

	*plonk*


author: TomS

subject: American Academy of Religion

text:
American Academy of Religion
Guidelines for Teaching About Religion in K‐12 Public Schools in the
United States

page 21, "Can creation science or intelligent design be taught in schools?"

<http://www.aarweb.org/Publications/Online_Publications/Curriculum_Guidelines/AARK-12CurriculumGuidelines.pdf>

Hat tip to NCSE:

<http://ncse.com/news/2010/07/american-academy-religion-teaching-creationism-005712>


author: Desertphile

subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On 23 Jul 2010 09:29:59 -0700, TomS <[email]>
wrote:

Of course it can; in a great many schools Creationism is "taught"
(though there is nothing about Creationism that can be taught:
Arkansas dies to, mandated by law, and failed).

The issue is if Creationism may or should be inflicted upon
public: the answer is No.


author: Kalkidas

subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
"TomS" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Their answer is yes. So let's see them put their money where their mouth is
and develop and lobby for a curriculum for teaching creation science and
intelligent design in public schools.


subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
"TomS" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

IMHO - there is only one guideline for teaching "religion" in public
schools............. DON'T.

Just skimming through their "suggestions" - children would need several more
hours if they covered these topics.
There is an apparent bias to teach only "good" views about religion - and
ignore the bad points.
(It's like taking, only, the sugar coated, RCC/Pope views about that nasty
topic called child molestation.)


author: Rodjk #613

subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Jul 23, 11:29ï¿½am, TomS <[email]> wrote:

I cannot say I read the document thoroughly, but from what I have read
it seems sensible.

Rodjk #613


subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:15:35 -0700, "Kalkidas" <[email]>
wrote:

Of course it is Yes. It isn't just Creationism that can be
"taught" in public schools: white supremacy can also be taught,
and geocentrism, and astrology, and phrenology, and palm reading.
The issue isn't whether these things can be taught: the issue is
if it is legal, moral, ethical, and justified.

The Arkansas State Board of Education tried to do exactly that, as
they were required by law to do so, and they failed miserably.
There is nothing about Creationism thatcan be taught--- not just
"may be taught," but =CAN= be taught.


author: Ron O

subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Jul 23, 1:15ï¿½pm, "Kalkidas" <[email]> wrote:

QUOTE:
Can creation science or intelligent design be taught in schools?
Yes, but not in science classes. Creation science and intelligent
design represent worldviews that fall outside of the realm of science
that is defined as (and limited to) a method of inquiry based on
gathering observable and measurable evidence subject to specific
principles of reasoning. Creation science, intelligent design, and
other worldviews that focus on speculation regarding the origins of
life represent another important and relevant form of human inquiry
that is appropriately studied in literature or social sciences
courses. Such study, however, must include a diversity of worldviews
representing a variety of religious and philosophical perspectives and
must avoid privileging one view as more legitimate than others.
END QUOTE:

You of all people (likely a non Christian IDiot) should know why
creation science and intelligent design are not taught legally.  It is
legal to teach creationism and intelligent design (has been
acknowledged to be so for decades) just not in the science class.  It
also has to be taught in a manner that does not favor one religion
over another.  The format is supposed to be in a comparative religion
class.  This document claims that it would be a good thing to teach
kids some basic things about religion.  Probably a good idea since
religion is so pervasive in our society.  The problem that they have
is that the ID perps and the fundamentalist religious nuts that want
to teach creationism and ID in the public schools do not want their
kids educated in religion they only want their religious notions
taught.  That is why they would rather run bogus scams than do
something that they can legally do.

This is likely something that someone as incompetent as yourself just
can't understand, but is the reason why the ID perps lied about the
science of intelligent design and then had to run the bait and switch
on rubes like yourself when they had to admit that they never had the
science to teach.  Denial is just away of life for guys like yourself,
but you might want to wake up and actually look into the situation
before continuing to make such a fool of yourself.  Your only future
is to become someone as worthless as Pagano, and even you have to have
some idea that you don't want to go there.

Ron Okimoto


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
"Kalkidas" <[email]> wrote in message
news:i2cm8c$v4n$[email]...

No matter what religious fanatics claim - creationism and ID are crap.

"Should we teach "crap" in ANY public school classroom?

NO!
(Unless you have a classroom for "This is the CRAP that some people actually
believe")
Then again, that still leaves an opening to teach religion......


subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Jul 23, 7:15ï¿½pm, "Kalkidas" <[email]> wrote:

Actually, it is Yes, but **not** in science classes

And it's worth adding that they *also* stipulate:
"Such study, however, must include a diversity of worldviews
representing a variety of religious and philosophical perspectives and
must avoid privileging one view as more legitimate than others."

How do you think the DI will react to that?

RF


author: bpuharic

subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:15:35 -0700, "Kalkidas" <[email]> wrote:

they can be discussed as subjects in history. they can not be taught
as science.


subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Jul 23, 11:15ï¿½am, "Kalkidas" <[email]> wrote:

How do you propose that creation science be taught when it doesn't
exist?


subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:29:06 -0700 (PDT),
"[email]"
<[email]> wrote:

Certainly Creationism can be taught in public school's science
classes. The proof is that in many schools it is being taught.

Publically or privately?


subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

To teach it anywhere, gives it a validity it never earned.


subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

They won't, because neither AAR nor NCSE will never lift a finger to promote
teaching intelligent design in any schools, no matter what kind of class it
is taught in. They're just bluffing, giving politically correct lip-service
in order to appear to be "liberal minded". Maybe they don't want to offend
certain donors, or members. Whatever, it's just a bluff.

AAR thinks that all "worldviews", including all religions, are entirely
human in origin, and recommends methodological atheism as the proper
approach to studying them. The glaring irony of this ludicrous position
apparently escapes their notice.


author: Bob Casanova

subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:16:20 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by "[email]"
<[email]>:

Not really; we teach how Ponzi schemes work, but that hardly
validates them.


author: Eric Root

subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Jul 23, 11:42ï¿½am, "Kalkidas" <[email]> wrote:

"naturalism," not "atheism."  The method avoids use of non-diety
supernatural hypotheses, also.

Eric Root


author: David Hare-Scott

subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
Kalkidas wrote:

And the glaring inability of any particular religion to show that its view
is superior to all the rest has not.  So how do you choose which one(s) to
teach?

David


subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:42:06 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by "Kalkidas" <[email]>:

How is that ironical? IOW, how else than from an external
viewpoint can a religion be studied *objectively*? And
what's the only external viewpoint when "all 'worldviews',
including all religions" is the subject?


author: Frank J

subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Jul 23, 2:42ï¿½pm, "Kalkidas" <[email]> wrote:

NCSE encourages students to learn anti-evolution pseudoscience They
(aka "creationism") on their own time, and has plenty links to it.
What it *doesn't* do is misrepresent evolution to a captive,
impressionable audience for the sole purpose of promoting unreasonable
doubt. If that's what you want - and it is - you would prefer anti-
evolution sites.

Uh, as you know, it's "methodological naturalism," and it's not a
"worldview."

No, the irony is anti-science activists pretending that we "censor"
anything.


author: RAM

subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Jul 23, 1:42ï¿½pm, "Kalkidas" <[email]> wrote:

Please elaborate on this "glaring Irony,"  I see none.    Maybe it is
because I don't know what is meant by "methodological atheism."   It
would help if you could elaborate on this point as well.

Also there is no paradox in teaching "worldviews," including religion
as entirely human in origin and to do so from a scientific
perspective.

I generally view you as a fool who doesn't understand science and is
confused about many things.  This post seems to be another data point
in this regard.

Prove me wrong.


subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Jul 23, 7:42ï¿½pm, "Kalkidas" <[email]> wrote:

Why should they? It's nothing more than a dishonest attempt to sneak
"scientific" creationism into science classes.

Where does the AAR recommend this?

You mean, that it is "glaring irony" that a school should teach the
*facts* about different religions as objectively and possible, rather
than picking on one out of many religions as representing the Truth?

It seems a very sensible approach to me. Which religious belief would
*you* teach as "truth", and on what basis would you decide to teach
it?

RF


subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
"Eric Root" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist4.htm
"Peter Berger suggested that the term "methodological atheism" be used to
describe theologians and historians who study religion as a human creation
without declaring whether individual religious beliefs are actually true."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_of_religion
"Most sociologists and anthropologists who tend to see religion as
inseparable from and determined by the social context resort to what is
called 'methodological atheism': when explaining religion they reject divine
or supernatural explanations for the status or origins of religions, because
they are not testable.[10]"


subject: Re: American Academy of Religion

text:
On Jul 23, 8:08ï¿½pm, "David Hare-Scott" <[email]> wrote:

Judaism of course. The reason being that Ben Stein was the one who
finally "demolished" "Darwinism" (invoking the "nuclear option" of
Godwin's Law) after millions of Christians and Muslims tried and
failed.

I trust that the same science class that discusses the "weaknesses" of
"Darwinism" will also discuss the weaknesses of the Virgin Birth and
Resurrection claims.

;-)