author: Bill Davis

subject: Re: Quick FCP 4.0 question

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] (Sam Sundaram) wrote:

No keystrokes are necessary.

Put a clip on a track on the timeline. Put another behind (or in front of)
it on the same track. Where they join is a cut. To trim, just grab the end
of any clip with the arrow curser and shorten or lengthen it. There are
lots of other trimming tools on the tool pallet, but this is the most
basic process.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Quick FCP 4.0 question

text:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:39:29 -0700, [email] (Bill Davis)
wrote:

Or you can use the blade tool.  There's an icon with a picture of a
razor blade on the right hand side.

man I hate that program.


author: nappy

subject: Re: Quick FCP 4.0 question

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
of)
end

Be Careful what you say about FCP. Bill Davis will follow you around and
respond to every mention of FCP.

;)


author: Ron

subject: Re: Quick FCP 4.0 question

text:
"nappy" <[email]> wrote in message news:<p9dhc.24629$[email]>...

Just curious what program do you prefer?


author: Martin Heffels

subject: Re: Quick FCP 4.0 question

text:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:33:09 GMT, "nappy" <[email]>
wrote:

To quote your prez "I say, bring it on!" :)

FCP: Frustrating Crashprone Program

cheers

-martin-


subject: Re: Quick FCP 4.0 question

text:
"Ron" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
news:<p9dhc.24629$[email]>...

In a hurry I always use Premiere. It is so much faster than FCP for just
getting a cut out.

For features I prefer AVID because it is so much more stable and
professional.

I own an FCP system mostly as a gateway to bring shows into my studio. When
I HAVE to finish in FCP it is so frustrating because of the things I have
outlined in the past.

It is FRUSTRATINGLY SLOW!

IT CRASHES A LOT! Just crashes. No warning just ..poof!

It is ALWAYS rendering. It is ALWAYS "Preparing Video For Display"

It takes 5 minuites just to load a feature into the app. I am so sick of
that friggin beachball I could puke.

Bringing in replacement clips when doing comps in another app is torture.

Importing frame sequences from compositing apps is dog slow. Apparently I am
the only one doing this in this newsgroup. When I first posted this anomoly
most reponded with "What is a frame sequence? " They also accused me of not
knowing what I was doing because THEY had never used a frame sequence for
anything. They had to ask repeatedly ... and one even needed me to show him
which page of the friggin manual described them.

FCP handles audio about as poorly as Premiere used to prior to that
'programmer' leaving to program FCP. I have said this repeatedly also. With
little response from the amateurs here. I have NUENDO, DP, SONAR, AVID,
PREMIERE, AUDITION and many other apps and ALL of them crush FCP for
realtime audio playback. I have a fast machine with plenty of RAM and
editing in FCP is slower than it used to be on an 800Mhz PIII with Premiere
and a Raptor. I use the AJA IO on the G4 with FCP

FCP has often LOST media and requires reconnection often. .

FCP has often come up with ALL audio in a project out of sync!

There's more.. .much more. If you want more negative reviews go to
lafcpug.org. The USERS group for FCP. See how much trouble they have with
it.

This is what happens with our FCP setup.And yes, the local Apple dealer has
had it in his shop 3 times to replace the main board. There's nothing wrong
with the setup.


subject: Re: Quick FCP 4.0 question

text:
On 21 Apr 2004 18:16:55 -0700, [email] (Ron) wrote:

Vegas Video, and the Toaster.


subject: Re: Quick FCP 4.0 question

text:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:25:20 +1000, Martin Heffels
<[email]> wrote:

well somebody agrees with me.    Every time I sit down
at the MAC at school, the MAC goes:  heh heh let's see
what mischief we shall have today!


author: Martin Heffels (ROT13

subject: Re: Quick FCP 4.0 question

text:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:06:48 GMT, "nappy" <[email]>
wrote:

Me too. Premiere rules for quick and dirty work.

Agreed

We have one at our school, and after ideas of getting more FCP-systems
in, after all the frustrating experiences we had with it, it was
decided to not buy any more.

And that on a Dual CPU machine. Grrrrr Needs lots of RAM too.

Fortunately it does auto-save.

Yar.

What format are you using for this? Targa? Or is it slow with all
formats?

[...]

Ah yes, audio is a joke. Even my very humble Pentium II 350MHz, could
do reverberation real-time (Soundforge 5 or was it 4?). And if you
shit the effect just one frame, it needs to re-render. Grrrr.
Where does all this grunt of those two 1GHz G4's go??? Is it
used for the shiny interface gimmickery or what?

Yep.

Fortunatly that didn't happen. Onl;y time it happened for us if we
captured across timecode-breaks, then everythign after the break is
out-of-synch.

Oh yes, complaining about "start-up disk is full" when starting to
capture, even when there is 60GB free. And if I click on the "never
show message again", next time, it shows the message again. And then
the input-focus doesn't go back to FCP, so I have to use Apple+TAB to
get it back to FCP. Dodgy and annoying. And then the deault keyboard
layout, pfffff, guaranteed to get RSI from this. Who came with the
idea to use modifiers for shortcuts which are used all the time? Such
a moron should be executed by the firing-squad in his cubicle straight
away.

Ah well, ebough ranting

cheers

-martin-


subject: Re: Quick FCP 4.0 question

text:
I will be using FCP only as I have to, for editing class.
Thank goodness I can use whatever NLE I want
for my final film.


subject: Re: Quick FCP 4.0 question

text:
I can see why you don't like FCP.  I have not had those problems.
Would I prefer an AVID yes there are times I miss AVID.  With the
release of 4.0 mapping the keyboard helped.  Is it slower yes.   But I
have not had nearly the problems you have had.   The longest program I
have finished is just over an hour.  In the year that I have been
working with it hasn't crash that much at all.

I would have to say there is something very wrong with your system if
you can do straight cuts in premier faster than FCP.  With keyboard
mapping I pretty confident I could blow away someone in Premier 6.5 or
earlier.  (Haven't tried Pro yet).

How long are your image sequences?  The ones that I have done run
usually between 10 and 20 seconds and don't take that long to import.
I just bring them in one-frame stills and then drop them in a
sequence.

Over all my experience with FCP has been positive, that's really too
bad about the problems you have I know I would feel the same way.  As
far as lafcpug it's not exactly always a love fest on Avid-L.


subject: Re: Quick FCP 4.0 question

text:
"Martin Heffels" <[email] (ROT13)> wrote in message
news:[email]...
When

Doesn't seem to matter which format.  FCP goes through a fairly long import
process.. as opposed to Premiere where you are ready to work with the
sequence the moment you import it .

ack.

yeah... line him up with the asshole who spec'd  the S-Video connector


subject: Re: Quick FCP 4.0 question

text:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:43:32 GMT, "nappy" <[email]>
wrote:

Bugger. Will probably have to do just this pretty soon, but at least
we're prepared to have long breaks then. <sigh>

cheers

-martin-


author: John A Absood

subject: Ali Akbar Khan concert (NY)

text:
Hi,

I am just writing to ask if anyone has seen the Ali Akbar Khan
concert (5-2-92) in New York. I would like to learn what some
of the experts on this net thought about it. Being as ignorant
as I am, I felt that he did a beautiful job when he kept the
tempo slow. His Alaps and slow Gats were very lyrical and gorgeous.
However, I think his old age (70 yrs) prevented him from giving
to same flowing beauty to his faster paced expositions. I am
not an expert but I thought that his renditions of the ragas
in fast Gat were not impressive at all. He slipped a lot and
so forth. Anyway, I welcome more informed judgements on the
concert.

J. Absood


subject: Re: Ali Akbar Khan concert (NY)

text:
Little mistake. The date of the concert was (5-1-92). Sorry about
the slip.

J. Absood


author: Sandeep Mehta

subject: Re: Ali Akbar Khan concert (NY)

text:
This is not a expert musical opinion but I think that part of the
"distraction" was due to the *terrible* miking and balance that the
sound engineer had set up. The mics were too close to the sarod and
tablas. As a result either the sarod sound was distorted or the sound
of the snap when he hit/plucked the strings. When they played
together the tabla sound tended to mask the sarod. This problem was
only partially alleviated in the second half where they played
lighter ragas in a more relaxed mood.

Despite the sound problems, I thought that musically this was an
excellent concert. I was amazed when I saw Ali Akbar and Swapan
Chaudhuri in 1990 and I was even more amazed last night.

Maybe Jayant Naik will post a more authoritative review? :-)

It seems that this is a short but pretty gruelling tour - aprox 10
concerts in 15 days? Definitely catch them when they come to your
town!

/sandeep


author: Roy T. Myers

subject: Re: Ali Akbar Khan concert (NY)

text:
You are absolutely right about your impressions of the New York concert.
Khansab is simply superb during the Alap and slow/medium gats, but borders
on noise during the fast gats. There are a couple of reasons for this viz.
old age and lack of practice. He rarely practices and I guess that shows
during the fast gats. I usually go to his concerts just for the alap and
slow gats.
Bala
:


subject: Provigil vs. Straterra - differences?

text:
Does anyone know exactly how the mechanism of these drugs differ? From
my reading it seems like both are Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors
(NRI's). I'm wondering why the effects would differ - and why Strattera
seems to cause many more problems for people...

Thanks,

- Jason
http://www.jasonsweb.com
 "I would never do crack... I would never do a drug named
after a part of my own ass, okay?" - Denis Leary.


subject: Re: Provigil vs. Straterra - differences?

text:
Nobody understands how modafinil works; no, it is not an NE reuptake
inhibitor.  However, both modafinil and strattera appear to work on
noradrenaline (which is the same as norepinephrine -- two names for the
same neurotransmitter!). I take tons of modafinil, I have a great
source from India (Sun Pharma makes it, called Modalert), go to
pharma-orders.com and send them freedom-pharmacy's price and they'll
match it.  I got 100 200mg pills for about $110 with shipping; I've
ordered over 10 times and recieved each order and they guarantee
shipment.  Shipping can take up to 20-30 days, though.  However, it is
a schedule IV drug, so be careful.

Strattera is great if you need to concentrate; however, I advise you
NOT try to have sex while on it.  If you are male, you might begin
ejaculating very prematurely and sporatically, which can be
embarassing, and your partner may be dissapointed.

A great dosage scaling chart I found years ago is here:

http://www.docnotes.net/000855.html

This is only available by prescription (no known internet sources).
This was a very helpful drug for me when I went back to school.  It has
some side effects right off the bat, but they subside within a few
days.  Pretty much any MD will prescribe it though.

Modafinil + strattera is a good combo I still swear by.  I currently
take 80-100mg strattera per day and 200-400mg modafinil per day and
have done so for at least two years.  To read research on strattera,
follow this link:

http://nootropics.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=447

To read research on modafinil, see:

http://nootropics.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=448

To hear folks discussing the following topic, see:
Srattera as a Nootropic
http://nootropics.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=44

Take care.


author: Steve Sliwa

text:
For safer Smart Drugs than Strattera and Modafinil see
www.uniquenutrition.net

Sincerely Steve Sliwa


text:
Since you want to get into a scientific discussion, Mr. Slima, what
evidence do you have that modafinil or strattera are NOT safe?

That's what I thought.  Go hire another 25 compulsive liar to tell you
what to write on your website, you retard.


author: anomlee

text:
Are the sexual side effects resulting from Strattera as pronounced as
those associated with SSRI's?

I tried one 40mg pill one time and I could barely stay awake; it
freaked me out. I just got an Rx for 10mg tabs as I tend to respond to
lower doses of meds... figured it'd be a good place to start. But now
you've managed to worry me.

- Jason
http://www.jasonsweb.com
 "I would never do crack... I would never do a drug named
after a part of my own ass, okay?" - Denis Leary.


author: Twittering One

text:
"For the moon never beams without bringing me dreams
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;
And the stars never rise but I feel the bright eyes
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;
And so, all the night-tide, I lie down by the side
Of my darling- my darling- my life and my bride,
In the sepulchre there by the sea,
In her tomb by the sounding sea."
~ EA Poe


text:
What says the sea,
Little shell ~

"What says the sea, little shell?
What says the sea?
Long has our brother been silent to us,
Kept his message for the ships,
Awkward ships, stupid ships."

"The sea bids you mourn, O Pines,
Sing low in the moonlight.
He sends tale of the land of doom,
Of place where endless falls
A rain of women's tears,
And men in grey robes --
Men in grey robes --
Chant the unknown pain."

"What says the sea, little shell?
What says the sea?
Long has our brother been silent to us,
Kept his message for the ships,
Puny ships, silly ships."

"The sea bids you teach, O Pines,
Sing low in the moonlight;
Teach the gold of patience,
Cry gospel of gentle hands,
Cry a brotherhood of hearts.
The sea bids you teach, O Pines."

"And where is the reward, little shell?
What says the sea?
Long has our brother been silent to us,
Kept his message for the ships,
Puny ships, silly ships."

"No word says the sea, O Pines,
No word says the sea.
Long will your brother be silent to you,
Keep his message for the ships,
O puny pines, silly pines."
~ Stephen Maria Crane


text:
"Wild Sea Herbs ~

These Wild Herbs were not
like the others. The beach dunes
secured the soil a different way.

Beyond the Salt water, sea plants
submerged. Sea Parsley on rocky
shores grew like elephant ears,

ripening within the warmth of
the ancient sea. Sea-kelp and
Sea Quill undulated in synch.

Carefully I placed sea plant cuttings
and cut pieces of Wild Bearberry with
captured bits of golden sand
in rows of small dixie cups."
~ Louise Marie DelSanto


text:
"Sea Slant ~

On up the sea slant,
On up the horizon,
The ship limps.

The bone of her nose fog-gray,
The heart of her sea-strong,
She came a long way,
She goes a long way.

On up the sea slant,
On up the horizon,
She limps sea-strong, fog-gray

She is a green-lit night gray.
She comes and goes in sea-fog.
Up the horizon slant she limps."
~ Carl Sandburg


text:
"Sea-Gifts ~

Give thou a gift to me

Said a red-lipped laughing girl
While the summer yet was young;

And the sea laughed back and flung
At her feet a priceless pearl.

Give thou a gift to me

Said the maiden once again
On a night of wind and rain.

Like a ghost the moon above her
Stared through winding-sheets of cloud.

On the sand in sea-weed shroud,
Lay the pale corpse of her lover.

Which is better, gain or loss?
Which is nobler, crown or cross?

We shall know these things, maybe,
When the dead rise from the sea."
~ Victor James Daley


text:
"Back To The Sea ~

I hold a shell up to my ear,
and listen.
Listen to the sea calling me
Me without gill or fin
Back to my very origin.

Way back
Back to the saline sea of my mother's womb
Back to life's ultimate swim
To begin my life and be.

Back further still
Back to the moment of conception
In a sea of love
Poised to start the first inning.
I am back to my very beginning.

Then ages and ages back
Back a billion years or so,
When a primitive organism was I
Climbing out of a gigantic sea
A new species, the start of my family tree."
~ Mollie Odell Bourne


text:
"The Sea and the Hills ~

Who hath desired the Sea? ~ the sight of salt water unbounded ~
The heave and the halt and the hurl and the crash of the comber
wind-hounded?
The sleek-barrelled swell before storm, grey, foamless, enormous, and
growing ~
Stark calm on the lap of the Line or the crazy-eyed hurricane blowing
..."
~ Rudyard Kipling

http://www.poemhunter.com/p/m/poem.asp?poet=3109&poem=27469

~ * ~


text:
Maybe Strattera is not the drug for you.  Have you tried modafinil?

Or was that day you tried strattera and had the bad side effect (you
say sleepiness) an isolated incident?

What is your body weight?  Does the inital dose correspond to the one
indicated in the chart I referenced?

http://www.docnotes.net/000855.html


author: Nofrillsdude

text:
Hi Strattera is more like an Effexor or Wellbutrin, it inhibits
reuptake of norepinephrine....modafinil is believed to have activity in
the brain similar to amphetamines, without peripheral side effects like
tachycardia, etc. I've heard theories it works on histamines too, but
that doesn't make sense to me. I think Provigil is more addicting than
people realize, I take Concerta and never abuse it, when I took
Provigil, I felt like I could walk through walls...(figuratively) I did
not like it, I was "too" happy. And it costs a FORTUNE. I would ask
about Conerta, it is a shame Cylert is no longer available that drug
worked great for me, it was withdrawn due to lagging sales, btw, not
the liver issue.


text:
oh and Provigil is believed to affect dopamine more than norepi, it did
help me concentrate


author: Michael Cargill

subject: Sad news, Miyamoto dead at 51

text:
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Nintendo game designer Shigeru
Miyamoto was found dead in his home this morning. There weren't any more
details yet. I'm sure we'll all miss him, even if you weren't a fan of his
work there's no denying his contribution to gaming culture. Truly a Japanese
icon.


author: Joe Ottoson

subject: Re: Sad news, Miyamoto dead at 51

text:
"Michael Cargill" <[email]> wrote in
news:b6atsk$3f30a$[email]:

April 1st is gay.


author: Rikimaru

subject: Re: Sad news, Miyamoto dead at 51

text:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:35:19 +0100, "Michael Cargill"
<[email]> wrote:

This might have been slightly amusing had the *EXACT* same joke been
done on the usenet last April 1st.  Try to come up with some fucking
originality dumbass.


author: mnemonic

subject: Re: Sad news, Miyamoto dead at 51

text:
Japanese

you know what else is dead? this skank joke. nice try.

abe m.


author: Relic

subject: Re: Sad news, Miyamoto dead at 51

text:
"Michael Cargill" <[email]> wrote in message
news:b6atsk$3f30a$[email]...
Japanese
(Sniff Sniff) Oh how horrrible...Him and Bill Gates, dying
on the same day (April 1st)...I shall wear my sackcloth
whilst I play Zelda today...(sniff sniff)^_<


subject: Re: Sad news, Miyamoto dead at 51

text:
Rikimaru <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

April 1st 2003

In a tragic fit of passion, noted game maker, and and creator of such
beloved characters as Mario and Donkey Kong, Shigeru Miyamoto apparently
ended his own life via a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head at
5:15PM (EST) yesterday after hearing about a new April Fool's joke
circulating around the Internet suggesting that the beloved creator of
StarFox had died in a car accident. Reports of a suicide note were
circulated, but police are refusing to comment until Miyamoto's next of
kin can be notified. Unoffical sources report however that the note
stated, "If the world thinks it's funny to joke about me dying a
horrorific death, see how funny it is when I take my own life, and with
it, the new Zelda game featuring the realistic and macho Chest Hair Link
to my grave!" Neighbors reported heartbroken ranting from Miyamoto's
apartment shortly before the gunshot was heard.


author: Tim Smith

subject: Re: Sad news, Miyamoto dead at 51

text:
In article <b6au43$3f7cp$[email]>, Michael Cargill wrote:

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subject: Re: Sad news, Miyamoto dead at 51

text:
"Michael Cargill" <[email]> wrote in news:b6au43$3f7cp$1
@ID-108275.news.dfncis.de:

Only if they're sexy and wearing wax lips.


subject: Re: Sad news, Miyamoto dead at 51

text:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:42:27 +0100, "Michael Cargill"
<[email]> wrote:

People like you deserve to die more than Saddam does.


author: Tekaran

subject: Garlic Recipes

text:
Anybody have any garlic recipes they could share.  I'm not looking for the
"secret recipe", just something that gives me a general idea how to make my
own for my worms.  I want something like what is on the Berkley Power Worms.

Thx


author: Bassman

subject: Re: Garlic Recipes

text:
Buy a can of BANG in the garlic flavor.  Fish love it.  Make me want to run
out and order Italian food. ;-)
http://www.gambler-bang.com/bang/

Bassman

"Tekaran" <[email]> wrote in message
news:41po8.54$[email]...
my
Worms.


subject: Re: Garlic Recipes

text:
Get a bottle of the Pro Cure juice stuff, garlic flavor, squirt it into the
baggie of worms - enough to coat the worms and a little extra - and roll the
baggie up tight and let 'em set overnight.

Joe

Tekaran wrote:


author: Pat Goff

subject: Re: Garlic Recipes

text:
Here's the best on I know:
Go to the store, but a can of garlic Pam, spray it on your worms.  Go
fishing.

"Tekaran" <[email]> wrote in message
news:41po8.54$[email]...
my
Worms.


author: Andrew Kidd

subject: Re: Garlic Recipes

text:
Not sure about this, but I don't think power worms are made with garlic.  I
think they have developed some sort of protein based scent of they're own.
I have tried melting used power worms to re-pour in my own mold, and that
was a HUGE mistake.  I nearly vomitted from the smell that was coming off of
those things.  Ended up throwing it away.  It smelled like I was boiling
dead, rotten fish!!!!


author: Steve @ G & S

subject: Re: Garlic Recipes

text:
"Bassman" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
run

I know what you mean.  Everytime I fish with garlic scented Chompers, I have
an urge for spaghetti!


author: Susan Lam

subject: piano class in san francisco bay area?

text:
I had about 5 years of classical piano when I was a kid.  I am looking
into taking some piano classes again.  I am more into a class(with
more people) than a private one.  Is there any good piano class in SF
bay area?  The only one I know some far is SF Conservatory of music
but looks like they only offer degree program.

Thanks,
Susan


author: Alan Young

subject: Re: piano class in san francisco bay area?

text:
In article <[email]>, Susan Lam
<[email]> wrote:

Susan, as an adult with a musical background I think you will get much
more mileage out of private lessons than from *any* class. No class
will keep pace with your particular combination of remembered,
forgotten, and never-learned skills.

But if you must, I'm sure some local colleges will have piano classes.
Try SFSU Extension, Lone Mountain College, or City College.


author: Nicolai Zwar

text:
Alan Young wrote:

This is undoubtedly true, but learning in class can be more fun and
therefore more motivating.


author: The Rochell's

subject: Couple questions..

text:
Well, since it has been over a year since I have scrapped ANYTHING (Yes, a
whole year and about 35 rolls later, I am still not ready to do any YET!)
BUT I do have some questions, since I am not in the scrapping groove lately!
-Can someone tell me about this CD swap, and maybe show me some example
CD's.... It sounds SOOOO neat.
-Also, what is the comp book swap..? They both sound great as I use Comp
books A LOT, so I may want to get in on something like that. Also, some
example pics of those as well.

I am so out of things, I mean, I look and stare at things, but as many of
you know this past year has been tough on us, and I am ready to get back
into scrapping, although DH thinks it is a waste of time. And he still
agrees with Susan W's hubby about them being crapbooks that just keep your
attention off what you really should be doing..
(I have been kinda down in the dumps on this topic, so, I am rambling
somethings off to you all... Cuz you all listen! lol.) Anyway, please let me
know about the above swaps so I can be prepared next time.
TIA
Tab in Collinwood, TN


author: Maureen

subject: Re: Couple questions..

text:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 00:07:15 -0500, "The Rochell's"
<[email]> wrote:

<snip>
Okay - my 2 cents ---- bottom line ---MEN ARE FROM MARS AND WOMEN ARE
FROM VENUS!!!!  Men only see $$$$ signs when it comes to anything in
their minds that is not practical, eatable  or macho man related! God
forbid they admit to understanding woman and their needs - Gosh their
buddies wouldn't let them forget!!! So all you ladies having this
problem when $$$ are tight nothing matters but those bills, food and
their toys -- and when $$ are available --- it's still not macho to
say otherwise - so in other words --- fight for every inch and don't
give in to the yards! it's a no win situation!  Unless you can
convince them it's your allowance and how you spend it is your
business!!! Future generation will appreciate anything you can leave
behind -- so keep scrapping!

Maureen in FL
aka Smilingtooo
:-) SMILE BE HAPPY :-)
www.picturetrail.com/smilingtooo
[email]

Pages complete in 2004: 16
Goal for 2004: a page a week
Pages complete in 2003: 37
Member since June 6, 2002


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Couple questions..

text:
sorry you hubby gives you such a time about scrapping mines the same
way. thinks my scrapping and other crafts are a  waste of time i could
be doing other things like dishes, laundry dusting all that good
stuffbut his hobbies are ok thanks for listening had to vent lol  sorry
i cant help you with the swaps im new to the group  lin


author: Tabitha McCarthy

subject: Re: Couple questions..

text:
I'm sorry but I can't help you with the swaps. I did see pictures of the
comp book swap and they were really neat. Plus I saw the ones that M-C made
in person :)

I'm so sorry to hear that your DH feels that way. Doesn't he understand that
your trying to preserve the memories? I believe its a way to preserve the
memories in a creative way :) Weren't you making him a scrapbook on his car?

I'm so sorry about everything. I wish there was something that I could do.
Keep your chin up girl. If you need to talk I'm always here :)

*Hugs*


author: Trish

subject: Re: Couple questions..

text:
Hi Tab:>)

April put the altered cd's that we all just made up on her page, if you want
to take a look:>)
http://community.webshots.com/user/cowchipper

Actually, she has some great comp books there that she made as well:>)
Hope this helps:>)


author: Deb in AR

subject: Re: Couple questions..

text:
Group hug for Tab!!!!  ((((((hug hug hug))))))  Cheer up gal.  We're here
whenever you need it.  I hope you and DH can talk about it and maybe he'll
see that scrapping is not only a way to preserve those memories, but also a
way for us moms to keep our sanity. :-)

I can't help you with the swap questions, but the CD swap does sound
intriging, doesn't it? hehehe I think April (cowchipper) is hosting another
CD swap on the net, but can't remember where it is right off the bat.


author: King's Crown

subject: Re: Couple questions..

text:
Ahhh Tab so sorry your husband isn't more supportive.  I wouldn't say mine
is Wahoo supportive, but he doesn't say anything bad.  Maybe a few eye
rolls.  There was a news bit on TV last night about "a car made by women for
women."  My husband's comment, "What did they put a scrap table in it."  I
had to laugh.  So, maybe you can ask him not to make comments or maybe you
can just laugh and ignore him.  You need to get to scrappin girlfriend. :D

I participated in the comp book swap and though I had never covered one
before compared to the others that came in the swap I did a good job too.
They were all so nice and so varied in design.  I had planned to give them
out as gifts, BUT... they have been laying out and as people come over and
see them everyone wants one.  I started with giving one to a girlfriend here
and a girlfriend there.  I learned quickly to hide a couple I wanted for
myself.  Then my daughter wanted one and the last one given away... my
daughter wanted to give one to a friend.  Everyone in her class thinks they
are neat and wants one.  So, I thought maybe I'd help her cover some to give
to the kids at the end of the year.  Go to Cowchippers web site below she
has pictures of the comp books she does.

http://community.webshots.com/user/cowchipper

The CD swap intrigues me and they look so nice, but I don't know what I do
with these little round works of art.

Another idea to get you scrapping is go to the RCS web site and take a look
at the challenges for the months.  I'm not keeping up with them on a monthly
basis, but do them as I have pictures and ideas that fit the themes.  I
think the lyric one has been the most popular
http://www.trilogentech.com/rcs/Links/Challenges.htm

Hope you start feeling better and start scrapping again,

Lynne


author: Sabrina

subject: Re: Couple questions..

text:
TAb, Don't let that grumpy hubby get to ya! Those sorts of people just
don't know what they are missing! I did not do either of those swaps but
from what I saw
posted..they looked like really good ones. I had to make a few of the
comp books
just for myself and it is fun to do. DOn't know about the CDs but they
looked good ,too. Ronni and April can tell you more
about those.
   Wer are just so happy to see you again!!

Hugs,
Sabrina in Kentucky


author: Mindi

subject: Re: Couple questions..

text:
tell your hubby to buzz off!!

so what if its something to take your mind off things.. THATS A GOOD THING
we all need something we can do that doesnt have anything to do with bills,
and dishes, and cleaning and working..

so to that I say.. SCRAP SCRAP SCRAP.. if that makes you happy.. and its
something you enjoy..

it doesnt have to matter to him why you do it.. or what you put in there..
you need it to help you..

as for the swaps.. I cant help ya there..
Im sure April can tho.. or Ronnie... I believe they were partners in crime
on those!

and dont worry.. we all get in those slumps.. I say sit down and make a
card.. or something.. not a LO.. just a no reason something.. It helps me..
to just sit and fiddle!

Mindi

"The Rochell's" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
lately!
me


author: Lori K.

subject: Re: Couple questions..

text:
My husband is the same way Tab.  The only thing is I tell him it makes me
happy and if I am happy then all the rest of the family reaps the benefits!

Lori K.

"The Rochell's" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
lately!
me


author: AmyScott

subject: Re: Couple questions..

text:
Yeah my husband likes to jokingly call it "Crapbooking".  I know he secretly
thinks it is neat though.


subject: Re: Couple questions..

text:
I was doing one on his car, until he sold it before we moved.... He was ok
with it until then...
It ahs been so hectic here that I never have time to think, but when I do
think about stuff it gets to me! lol... Thanks for the shoulder!
Tab

"Tabitha McCarthy" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
made
that
car?
a
YET!)
of
your
let


author: Bonny

subject: Zip bags, anyone?

text:
I have too many (is that possible?) 3 inch by 4 inch plastic zip bags, as I
seem to have purchased more baggies than I have drawer room (easy to do!).

So, if you would like some for the punchie swap, or for personal use, email
me privately and let me know how many you would like. Offer is good until my
supply fits in my drawer. ;-)

Take out "nospam" on both sides of my address to email me.

Bonny


subject: Re: Couple questions..

text:
Oh I see.. I'm so sorry.. You're very welcome.. Please if you can just take
some time out for yourself.. You really deserve it. Plus we all need some
time to ourselves to get back on track :)

*Hugs*


subject: Re: Couple questions..

text:
Amen LOL!

Lori

"Patty H" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Jniic.512568$[email]...
me
(Yes,
example
Comp
some
back


subject: BOL ANAMOL: bahe a.Nkhiyo.n se dhaar jiyaa meraa [V S RAWAT]

text:
This post contains the following lyrics.

11901	bahe a.Nkhiyo.n se dhaar jiyaa meraa ... dil to.D ke	1951/ Hum Log
11902	chalii jaa chalii jaa chalii jaa chho.D ke duniyaa	1951/ Hum Log
12065	ulajh gayaa jiyaa meraa naino.n ke jaal me.n		1951/ Jaadoo
11903	il le belii ... din hai.n pyaare\-pyaare ... aise me.n	1951/ Kaali Ghataa
12066	agar kisii se mohabbat na kii ... samajh lo nazar se	1951/ Kashmir
11904	tumako apanii zindagii ... dil beqaraar hai		1951/ Nageenaa
11905	yaad aa_ii hai bekasii chhaa_ii hai			1951/ Nageenaa
11906	dekho dekho jii kuchh bhii kar lo jiit hamaarii hai	1951/ Naujawaan
11907	ek aag hai dahakataa raag hai				1951/ Naujawaan
11908	o pi pi pi piyaa ham aur ham pi pi piyaa tum aur ham	1951/ Naujawaan
11909	rasate pe ham kha.De hai.n dil\-e\-beqaraar lekar	1951/ Raajput
11910	o baabuu kaise dil karuu.N qaabuu ... o jaanii		1951/ Sagaai
11911	payaam\-e\-ishqaraa ... bedaar hu_ii.n kaliyaa.N	1951/ Shokhiyaan
12067	gaa_o taraane man ke jii aashaa aa_ii... chham\-chham	1952/ Aan
12069	o ##madam## do se ho gaye ek ham ... o ##mister## dil	1952/ Aashiyaanaa
11912	zindagii badalii mohabbat kaa mazaa aane lagaa		1952/ Anhonee
11913	saajan tumase pyaar karuu.N mai.n kaise tumhe.n		1952/ Badnaam
11914	aajaa naa mere dilarubaa aajaa tuu aa ke phir naa jaa	1952/ Bewafaa
12070	moraa naazuk badan chhuve cha.nchal pawan		1952/ Deewaanaa
12071	kaalii\-kaalii ratiyaa.N yaad sataaye			1952/ Ghungroo

-Rawat
----------------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #11901 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrh07601, 1.00, 08/01/2004}%
\stitle{bahe a.Nkhiyo.n se dhaar jiyaa meraa beqaraar ... dil to.D ke}%
\film{Hum Log}%
\year{1951}%
\starring{Nutan, Shyama, Balraj Sahni}%
\singer{Lata}%
\music{Roshan}%
\lyrics{Udhav Kumar}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #11901 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
( bahe a.Nkhiyo.n se dhaar
jiyaa meraa beqaraar
suno suno diladaar
jaa_oge kahaa.N
dil to.D ke
dil to.D ke ) \-2

( o saathii merii taqadiir ke
tumhe.n kaise dikhaa_uu.N dil chiir ke ) \-2
meraa pahalaa\-pahalaa pyaar
merii pahalii\-pahalii haar
suno suno diladaar
jaa_oge kahaa.N
dil to.D ke
dil to.D ke

( merii duniyaa to hai barabaad hii
lete jaa_o tum apanii yaad bhii ) \-2
liye a.nsu_o.n ke haar
karuu.N tumase pukaar
suno suno diladaar
jaa_oge kahaa.N
dil to.D ke
dil to.D ke

jab nazare.n kisii ko na paaye.ngii
mose ratiyaa.N guzaarii na jaaye.ngii
leke dil me.n intazaar
kaise biitegii bahaar
suno suno diladaar
jaa_oge kahaa.N
dil to.D ke
dil to.D ke

bahe a.Nkhiyo.n se dhaar
jiyaa meraa beqaraar
suno suno diladaar
jaa_oge kahaa.N
dil to.D ke
dil to.D ke
%
#endindian
\endsong
-----------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #11902 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrh07602, 1.00, 08/01/2004}%
\stitle{chalii jaa chalii jaa chalii jaa chho.D ke duniyaa Gamo.n kii duniyaa}%
\film{Hum Log}%
\year{1951}%
\starring{Nutan, Shyama, Balraj Sahni}%
\singer{Lata}%
\music{Roshan}%
\lyrics{Udhav Kumar}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #11902 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
( chalii jaa chalii jaa chalii jaa
chho.D ke duniyaa
Gamo.n kii duniyaa
aaho.n kii duniyaa ) \-2
chalii jaa chalii jaa chalii jaa

( yahaa.N ko_ii nahii.n apanaa
na ghar apanaa na dar apanaa ) \-2
dilaasaa bhii bahaanaa hai
sataane kaa rulaane kaa
chalii jaa chalii jaa chalii jaa
chho.D ke duniyaa
Gamo.n kii duniyaa
aaho.n kii duniyaa
chalii jaa chalii jaa chalii jaa

( sitam jhele uThaaye Gam
rahe.n aa.Nkhe.n sadaa puranam ) \-2
gilaa kisase kahe.n jaa kar
muqaddar kaa zamaane kaa
chalii jaa chalii jaa chalii jaa
chho.D ke duniyaa
Gamo.n kii duniyaa
aaho.n kii duniyaa
chalii jaa chalii jaa chalii jaa

( jiye.n to ghuT ke mar jaaye.n
mare.n to ham kidhar jaaye.n ) \-2
milaa achchhaa silaa hamako
terii duniyaa me.n aane kaa
chalii jaa chalii jaa chalii jaa
chho.D ke duniyaa
Gamo.n kii duniyaa
aaho.n kii duniyaa
chalii jaa chalii jaa chalii jaa
%
#endindian
\endsong
-------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #12065 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrj10207, 1.00, 13/01/2004}%
\stitle{ulajh gayaa jiyaa meraa naino.n ke jaal me.n}%
\film{Jaadoo}%
\year{1951}%
\starring{Nalini Jaywant, Suresh}%
\singer{Lata}%
\music{Naushad}%
\lyrics{Shakeel}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #12065 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
ulajh gayaa jiyaa meraa
naino.n ke jaal me.n \-2
ba.Dii bholii thii aa ga_ii mai.n \-2
baalam kii chaal me.n
ulajh gayaa
ulajh gayaa jiyaa meraa
naino.n ke jaal me.n \-2

o o o o
o o o o
( maine to laakh chaahaa
dil naa lagaa_uu.N
dil na lagaa_uu.N ) \-2
( najaro.n kii maar bhalaa
kaise bhulaa_uu.N
kaise bhulaa_uu.N ) \-2
mai.n pa.D ga_ii
haay raamaa kaise ja.njaal me.n
mai.n pa.D ga_ii \-2
haay raamaa kaise ja.njaal me.n

ulajh gayaa jiyaa meraa
naino.n ke jaal me.n \-2

o o o o
o o o o
( baiThii huu.N piyaa tujhe
man me.n basaaye
man me.n basaaye ) \-2
( dha.Dake hai dil meraa
ni.ndiyaa naa aaye ) \-2
tuu bas gayaa
dhiire\-dhiire mere Kayaal me.n
tuu bas gayaa \-2
dhiire\-dhiire mere Kayaal me.n

ulajh gayaa jiyaa meraa
naino.n ke jaal me.n \-2
ba.Dii bholii thii aa ga_ii mai.n
baalam kii chaal me.n
ulajh gayaa
%
#endindian
\endsong
------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #11903 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrk05802, 1.00, 08/01/2004}%
\stitle{il le belii ... din hai.n pyaare\-pyaare ... aise me.n tuu aa jaa re}%
\film{Kaali Ghataa}%
\year{1951}%
\starring{Kishor Sahu, Bina Roy, Asha Mathur, Gop, Ulhas}%
\singer{Lata}%
\music{Shankar Jaikishan}%
\lyrics{Shailendra}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #11903 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
il le belii laa_ii laa \-2
il le belii aa re
din hai.n pyaare\-pyaare
mau shuu shuu mau terii
tuu meraa mai.n terii
aise me.n tuu aa jaa re \-2

ulfat kii hai ye nashiilii havaa
patthar kaa dil paanii\-paanii hu_aa
kaalii ghaTaa ye bal khaatii dekho iThalaatii \-2
il le belii laa_ii laa \-2
il le belii aa re
din hai.n pyaare\-pyaare
mau shuu shuu mau terii
tuu meraa mai.n terii
aise me.n tuu aa jaa re \-2

dekhaa hai tujhe kahii.n na kahii.n
lekin kahaa.N yaad aataa nahii.n
( nainaa na jaane par dil pahachaane
meraa dil pahachaane ) \-2
il le belii laa_ii laa \-2
il le belii aa re
din hai.n pyaare\-pyaare
mau shuu shuu mau terii
tuu meraa mai.n terii
aise me.n tuu aa jaa re \-2

mere balam mere pyaare balam
zabaa.N par rahegaa yahii haradam
jalembuu \12
il le belii aa re
din hai.n pyaare\-pyaare
mau shuu shuu mau terii
tuu meraa mai.n terii
aise me.n tuu aa jaa re \-2

aise me.n tuu aa jaa re
%
#endindian
\endsong
-------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #12066 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrk12001, 1.00, 13/01/2004}%
\stitle{agar kisii se mohabbat na kii ... samajh lo nazar se ishaaraa kisii kaa}%
\film{Kashmir}%
\year{1951}%
\starring{Veena, Nirupa Roy, Kuldip, Al Nasir, Arun, Kamal Kapoor}%
\singer{Zohra Bai}%
\music{Hansraj Bahl}%
\lyrics{Sarshar Sailani}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #12066 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
agar kisii se mohabbat na kii
to kuchh naa kiyaa
magar baGair kisii par
ko_ii jiyaa na jiyaa

( samajh lo nazar se
samajh lo nazar se
ishaaraa kisii kaa
ke dil chaahataa hai
sahaaraa kisii kaa ) \-2
samajh lo nazar se

nazar me.n samaatii nahii.n ko_ii suurat
nigaaho.n ko bhaatii nahii.n ko_Ii muurat
ke dekhaa hai jab se \-2
nazaaraa kisii kaa

ke dil chaahataa hai
sahaaraa kisii kaa
samajh lo nazar se \-2

muhabbat ke badale me.n iimaan le lo
agar jaan kaam aa sake jaan le lo
magar dil naa to.Do \-2
Kudaaraa kisii kaa

ke dil chaahataa hai
sahaaraa kisii kaa
samajh lo nazar se \-2

naa ra.ng\-e\-mohabbat na buu\-e\-wafaa hai
ghajab hai ke aiso.n se paalaa aa pa.Daa hai
samajhate nahii.n jo \-2
ishaaraa kisii kaa

ke dil chaahataa hai
sahaaraa kisii kaa
samajh lo nazar se \-2
%
#endindian
\endsong
--------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #11904 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrn03502, 1.00, 08/01/2004}%
\stitle{tumako apanii zindagii ... dil beqaraar hai}%
\film{Nageenaa}%
\year{1951}%
\starring{Nasir Khan, Nutan, Bipin Gupta, Hiralal}%
\singer{C H Atma}%
\music{Shankar Jaikishan}%
\lyrics{Hasrat}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #11904 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
tumako apanii zindagii kaa aasaraa samajhe the ham
bewafaa nikale ho tum kab bewafaa samajhe the ham

dil beqaraar hai meraa dil beqaraar hai
us beqadar kaa tiir mere dil ke paar hai

( samajhe huye the ham jise ulfat kii chaa.Nd\-raat
ulfat kii chaa.Nd\-raat ) \-2
hamako jalaa rahii hai us bewafaa kii baat
biga.De huye
biga.De huye nasiib pe kyaa eKtiyaar hai
dil beqaraar hai meraa dil beqaraar hai

( duniyaa ke saath\-saath yuu.Nhii wo bhii badal gaye
wo bhii badal gaye ) \-2
aa.Nkho.n se aa.Nsu_o.n ke janaaze nikal gaye \-2
taqadiir kii
taqadiir kii nazar lagii har phuul Kaar hai
dil beqaraar hai meraa dil beqaraar hai
us beqadar kaa tiir mere dil ke paar hai
%
#endindian
\endsong
------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #11905 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrn03503, 1.00, 08/01/2004}%
\stitle{yaad aa_ii hai bekasii chhaa_ii hai}%
\film{Nageenaa}%
\year{1951}%
\starring{Nasir Khan, Nutan, Bipin Gupta, Hiralal}%
\singer{Lata}%
\music{Shankar Jaikishan}%
\lyrics{Hasrat}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #11905 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
yaad aa_ii hai
bekasii chhaa_ii hai
ro rahii hai Kushii
aa.Nkh bhar aa_ii hai

aa.Nsuu bhii piye terii yaad me.n haradam
mar\-mar ke jiye ab kisase kahe.n ham
haay kyaa ho gayaa
wo kahaa.N kho gayaa
dil meraa so gayaa

zaalim zamaane na itanaa sataa
wo hai.n kahaa.N tuu bataa de pataa
aas miTii meraa chain luTaa chain luTaa
miT gayaa hai nishaa.N
luT gayaa aashiyaa.N
maut kaa hai samaa.N

tuufaan me.n hai ulfat kaa safiinaa
khoyaa hai mere is dil kaa nagiinaa
pyaar to naa hu_aa
dard duur naa hu_aa
saath tuu naa hu_aa

yaad aa_ii hai
bekasii chhaa_ii hai
ro rahii hai Kushii
aa.Nkh bhar aa_ii hai
%
#endindian
\endsong
-----------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #11906 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrn07001, 1.00, 08/01/2004}%
\stitle{dekho dekho jii kuchh bhii kar lo jiit hamaarii hai}%
\film{Naujawaan}%
\year{1951}%
\starring{Nalini Jayawant, Premnath}%
\singer{Kishore, Lata}%
\music{S D Burman}%
\lyrics{Sahir}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #11906 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
ki \:	( dekho
	are dekho jii
	kuchh bhii kar lo
	jiit hamaarii hai ) \-2
	dekho
	o dekho jii

	( o zulmii nainaa waalo.n
	tum daaman laakh bachaa lo ) \-2
	hamase bachanaa hai mushqil
	ye naino.n ko samajhaa lo
	jahaa.N chaloge sa.ng chale.nge
	ban kar tumharii chhayaa
	aa
	ban kar tumharii chhayaa re
	hoy dekho
	are dekho jii
	kuchh bhii kar lo
	jiit hamaarii hai
	dekho
	o dekho jii

	( tum aisii qismat laaye
	ke ham jaiso.n ko paayaa ) \-2
	aur ham wo qismat waale
	ke tumane Kud bulawaayaa
	are kyaa daataa kii den hai
	raah me.n hiiraa paayaa
	raah me.n hiiraa paayaa re
	hoy dekho
	are dekho jii kuchh bhii kar lo
	jiit hamaarii hai

	kahaa.N lay ke jaiho

la \:	o
	kahaa.N lay ke jaiho raam \-2
	o zulmii nainaa

	ho
	ye zulmii nainaa tere o naino.n ke matawaale
	( dhiire\-dhiire ye man
	hu_aa teraa sajan
	din aaye milan waale ) \-2
	jiit kahaa.N kii haar kahaa.N kii
	dil khoyaa dil paayaa
	aa
	dil khoyaa dil paayaa re

ki \:	hoy
do \:	dekho
	are dekho jii kuchh bhii kar lo
	jiit hamaarii hai ) \-2

ki \:	dekho

la \:	aa haa
	dekho jii dekho jii dekho
	dekho dekho dekho jii

ki \:	hoy dekho
	are dekho jii kuchh bhii kar lo
	jiit hamaarii hai ) \-2
	dekho
	are dekho jii kuchh bhii kar lo
	jiit hamaarii hai
	dekho
%
#endindian
\endsong
---------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #11907 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrn07002, 1.00, 08/01/2004}%
\stitle{ek aag hai dahakataa raag hai}%
\film{Naujawaan}%
\year{1951}%
\starring{Nalini Jayawant, Premnath}%
\singer{Manna De, Chorus}%
\music{S D Burman}%
\lyrics{Sahir}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #11907 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
o ho
o ho
ho
ho
ho o o ho
ek aaG hai dahakataa raag hai
jawaanii merii jawaanii merii jawaanii merii
jal jaaye.nge agar paas aaye.nge jalaane waale

are re re re re re re re re
haay re
dil paaq hai nazar bebaaq hai
Dar kisakaa mujhe Dar kisakaa mujhe Dar kisakaa
pachhataaye.nge agar Takaraaye.nge zamaane waale
ho

aa
haay
ek aaG hai dahakataa raag hai
jawaanii merii jawaanii merii jawaanii merii
jal jaaye.nge agar paas aaye.nge jalaane waale
ho
o ho
%
#endindian
\endsong
-------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #11908 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrn07003, 1.00, 08/01/2004}%
\stitle{o pi pi pi piyaa ham aur ham pi pi piyaa tum aur ham}%
\film{Naujawaan}%
\year{1951}%
\starring{Nalini Jayawant, Premnath}%
\singer{Kishore, Shamshad}%
\music{S D Burman}%
\lyrics{Sahir}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #11908 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
sha \:	o
	pi pi pi piyaa
	pi pi piyaa
	ho ho
	pi pi piyaa
	ho o ho o ho o ho
	pi pi piyaa
ki \:	ham aur tum
sha \:	pi pi piyaa
ki \:	tum aur ham
sha \:	pi pi piyaa
ki \:	ham aur tum dono.n rahe.n ek saath
sha \:	naino.n me.n nainaa aur haatho.n me.n haath

ki \:	ham aur tum
sha \:	pi pi piyaa
ki \:	tum aur ham
sha \:	pi pi piyaa
do \:	ham aur tum dono.n rahe.n ek saath
	naino.n me.n nainaa aur haatho.n me.n haath
	jalaa kare.n jalane waale chaahe.n jo bhii ho
sha \:	ho o ho o ho
ki \:	ho o ho o ho
do \:	ham aur tum dono.n rahe.n ek saath

sha \:	rum paa
ki \:	paa paa paa
sha \:	rum paa
ki \:	paa paa paa

sha \: aa jaa o baa.Nke piyaa aajaa
	piyaa aajaa
	naino.n se ras barasaa jaa
	piyaa aajaa
	aa jaa o baa.Nke piyaa aajaa
ki \:	huu.n huu.n huu.n huu.n
sha \:	naino.n se ras barasaa jaa
ki \:	rut mastaanii
sha \:	aa haa
ki \:	raat suhaanii
sha \:	waa waa
ki \:	mauj me.n jawaanii bhii hai aajaa
sha \:	o pi pi pi piyaa
ki \:	o pi pi pi piyaa
	oy
do \:	jalaa kare.n jalane waale chaahe.n jo bhii ho
sha \:	ho o ho o ho
ki \:	ho o ho o ho
do \:	ham aur tum dono.n rahe.n ek saath
	naino.n me.n nainaa aur haatho.n me.n haath
	jalaa kare.n jalane waale chaahe.n jo bhii ho
sha \:	ho o ho o ho
ki \:	ho o ho o ho

ki \:	##yoodling##
%
#endindian
\endsong
------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #11909 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrr06101, 1.00, 08/01/2004}%
\stitle{rasate pe ham kha.De hai.n dil\-e\-beqaraar lekar}%
\film{Raajput}%
\year{1951}%
\starring{Suraiya, Jairaaj, Kuldeep}%
\singer{Suraiya}%
\music{Hansraj Behl}%
\lyrics{Kaif Irfani}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #11909 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
rasate pe ham kha.De hai.n dil\-e\-beqaraar lekar
guzaroge kab idhar se apanii bahaar le kar
rasate pe ham kha.De hai.n

tho.Daa saa pyaar de do ham zindagii banaa le.n
ho o o tho.Daa saa pyaar de do ham zindagii banaa le.n
ham zindagii banaa le.n
tho.Daa saa pyaar le kar
rasate pe ham kha.De hai.n dil\-e\-beqaraar lekar
guzaroge kab idhar se

aramaa.N machal\-machal kar tujhase ye kah rahe hai.n
ho o o aramaa.N machal\-machal kar tujhase ye kah rahe hai.n
aanaa o pyaar waale aa.Nkho.n me.n pyaar le kar
rasate pe ham kha.De hai.n dil\-e\-beqaraar lekar
guzaroge kab idhar se

aawaaz de rahii hai shaam\-e\-bahaar tumako
ho o o aawaaz de rahii hai shaam\-e\-bahaar tumako
shaam\-e\-bahaar tumako
daaman me.n muskaraate phuulo.n ke haar le kar
rasate pe ham kha.De hai.n dil\-e\-beqaraar lekar
guzaroge kab idhar se apanii bahaar le kar
rasate pe ham kha.De hai.n
%
#endindian
\endsong
--------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #11910 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrs18001, 1.00, 08/01/2004}%
\stitle{o baabuu kaise dil karuu.N qaabuu ... o jaanii}%
\film{Sagaai}%
\year{1951}%
\starring{Premnath, Gope, Yakub, Rehana, Vijayalaxmi, Hira Lal, Cuckoo}%
\singer{Lata, Ameerbai}%
\music{C Ramchandra}%
\lyrics{Rajinder Krishan}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #11910 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
la \:	o baabuu \-2
	kaise dil karuu.N qaabuu samajhaaye jaa
a \:	o jaanii \-2
	terii ba.Dii meharabaanii batalaaye jaa

ko \:	o baabuu \-2
	kaise dil karuu.N qaabuu samajhaaye jaa
	o jaanii \-2
	terii ba.Dii meharabaanii batalaaye jaa
	o baabuu

la \:	( terii jaan kii qasam meraa dil nahii.n bas me.n
a \:	jaa_o jaa_o jaa_o naa khaa_o jhuuThii qasame.n ) \-2
la \:	terii jaan kii qasam hai iimaan kii qasam
	mujhako hai tujhase pyaar meraa jiyaa beqaraar
	mujhako apanaa banaaye jaa
ko \:	o baabuu \-2
	kaise dil karuu.N qaabuu samajhaaye jaa
	o jaanii \-2
	terii ba.Dii meharabaanii batalaaye jaa
	o baabuu

a \:	haTo\-haTo ba.De dekhe pyaar jataane waale
	a.Nkhiyaa.N nachaa ke nakhare dikhaa ke
	jiyaa bharamaane waale
la \:	o
	jawaanii kii qasam zindagaanii kii qasam
	mai.n huu.N terii Gulaam
	tujhe meraa hai salaam
	mujhako dil me.n basaaye jaa
ko \:	o baabuu \-2
	kaise dil karuu.N qaabuu samajhaaye jaa
	o jaanii \-2
	terii ba.Dii meharabaanii batalaaye jaa
	o baabuu
%
#endindian
\endsong
--------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #11911 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrs18301, 1.00, 08/01/2004}%
\stitle{payaam\-e\-ishqaraa ... bedaar hu_ii.n kaliyaa.N}%
\film{Shokhiyaan}%
\year{1951}%
\starring{Suraiya, Premnath, Jeevan}%
\singer{Raajkumari}%
\music{Jamal Sen}%
\lyrics{Himmat Rai Sharma}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #11911 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
aa
payaam\-e\-ishqaraa
haa.N
man aj nigaah\-e\-naaz me.n (?) Kaanam
zabaan\-e\-yaar\-e\-man
hindii daman
hindii naa mai.n gaanam

( bedaar hu_ii.n kaliyaa.N
aur husn hu_aa raksaa.N
sholaa\-e\-shamaa larazaa.N
afasaane kaa unvaa.N
unvaa.N ) \-2

zaraa pata.nge kii aahaT hu_ii to bhaa.Np ga_ii
shamaa kii lau
shamaa kii lau se jo uriyaa.N sitaa.N ko kaa.Np ga_ii

zalii to aisii jalii naam kar ga_ii roshan \-2
bujhii to duniyaa ke aa.Nchal se tan ko dhaa.Np ga_ii
shamaa kii lau \-2
%
#endindian
\endsong
----------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #12067 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsra05404, 1.00, 13/01/2004}%
\stitle{gaa_o taraane man ke jii aashaa aa_ii dulhan ban ke jii ... chham\-chham}%
\film{Aan}%
\year{1952}%
\starring{Dilip Kumar, Nimmi, Nadira, Premnath, Mukri, Cukoo}%
\singer{Lata, Shamshad, Rafi, Shyam, Chorus}%
\music{Naushad}%
\lyrics{Shakeel}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #12067 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
ko \:	hoy
	he
	hoy gaa_o taraane man ke jii
	aashaa aa_ii dulahan ban ke jii
	naacho naacho man kii taal pe
	chham\-chham \-3

	hoy aaj Kushii ban\-Than ke jii
	kar ghar aa_ii hai dulahan ke jii
	naacho naacho man kii taal pe
	chham\-chham \-3

sha \:	dhak\-dhak ma.n me.n Dholak baaje
	chham\-chham pag me.n paayal
	ho chham\-chham pag me.n paayal
ko \:	aa aa
	hoy
	dhak\-dhak ma.n me.n Dholak baaje
	chham\-chham pag me.n paayal
la \:	baalam kii nazaro.n ne \-2
	kiyaa hai aaj meraa dil ghaayal
ko \:	aa
	hoy baalam kii nazaro.n ne
	kiyaa hai aaj meraa dil ghaayal
sha \:	bhed mai.n apane kholuu.N naa
	kuchh boluu.N naa
	sa.ng Doluu.N naa

	tiir chale chitawan ke jii
	rimajhim aaye din saawan ke jii
	naacho naacho man kii taal pe
	chham\-chham
ra \: aahaa
sha \:	chham\-chham
ra \: waah
sha \:	chham\-chham

sha \:	apane piyaa kii jogan ban jaa
	chho.D de mahal\-dumahale
	ho chho.D de mahal\-dumahale
ko \:	o
	hoy apane piyaa kii jogan ban jaa
	chho.D de mahal\-dumahale
la \:	phuul wahii sachhaa hai \-2
	jo kaa.NTo.n ke dukh bhii sah le
ko \:	ho
	hoy phuul wahii sachhaa hai
	jo kaa.NTo.n ke dukh bhii sah le
sha \:	pyaar ko jab tum jaanoge
	pahachaanoge
	phir maanoge

	ruup naye jiiwan ke jii
	milate hai.n dwaare saajan ke jii
	naacho naacho man kii taal pe

ko \:	hoy gaa_o taraane man ke jii
	aashaa aa_ii dulahan ban ke jii
	naacho naacho man kii taal pe
	chham\-chham \-3

	hoy aaj Kushii ban\-Than ke jii
	kar ghar aa_ii hai dulahan ke jii
	naacho naacho man kii taal pe
	chham\-chham \-3

	aa aa aa
%
#endindian
\endsong
-------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #12069 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsra18401, 1.00, 13/01/2004}%
\stitle{o ##madam## do se ho gaye ek ham ... o ##mister## dil kaa ##horn## aaj Kushii se}%
\film{Aashiyaanaa}%
\year{1952}%
\starring{Raj Kapoor, Nargis, Mohana}%
\singer{Rafi, Shamshad}%
\music{Madan Mohan}%
\lyrics{Rajinder Krishan}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #12069 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
% hfgk credits male voice to kishore, but it is of rafi.
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
ra \:	o ##madam##
	o o ##madam##
	o o o ##madam##
	he
	do se ho gaye ek ham
	na phaa.Nkaa na Gam
	o ##madam##

sha \:	o ##mister##
	a aa aa ##mister##
	dil kaa ##horn## aaj Kushii se
	baaje pam\-pam
	o ##mister##

	paapaa Kush maamaa Kush \-2
	dekh ke apanii jo.Dii
ra \:	wo kyaa jaane apanii shaadii
	kii muddat hai tho.Dii
sha \:	kal kii kisane dekhii pyaare
	aaj manaate Gam
sha \:	o ##mister##
ra \:	o ##madam##
	o o ##madam##
	he
	do se ho gaye ek ham
	na phaa.Nkaa na Gam
	o ##madam##

sha \:	o ##mister##
	o o o ##mister##
	dil kaa ##horn## aaj Kushii se
	baaje pam\-pam
	o ##mister##

sha \:	( ##marriage## kii raat hai
	ho o o o
	kitanii suhaanii ) \-2
ra \:	o lekin merii bulabul
	##marriage## hai aanii\-jaanii
	aanii\-jaanii jaanii\-aanii
	yaanii\-yaanii gyaanii\-dhaanii
	lekin merii bulabul
	##marriage## hai aanii\-jaanii
	kaun ye jaane kab pa.D jaaye
	Dhaa_ii ##watt## kaa ##bulb##

ra \:	o ##madam##
	o o ##madam##
	o o o ##madam##
	he
	do se ho gaye ek ham
	na phaa.Nkaa na Gam
	o ##madam##

sha \:	o ##mister##
	o o o ##mister##
	dil kaa ##horn## aaj Kushii se
	baaje pam\-pam
	o ##mister##

ra \:	##marriage## to hai ek guubaaraa
	hai ##marriage## to hai ek guubaaraa
	kabhii na phuule saaraa
sha \:	( maar\-maar ke phuu.Nke.n
	thak jaaye miyaa.N bechaaraa ) \-2
ra \:	are achchii hai wo biiwii
	jisakaa jaldii nikale dam

ra \:	kyo.n ##madam##
sha \:	abe jaa ##mister##

ra \:	o ##madam##
	do se ho gaye ek ham
	na phaa.Nkaa na Gam
	o ##madam##

sha \:	o ##mister##
	o o o ##mister##
	dil kaa ##horn## aaj Kushii se
	baaje pam\-pam
	o ##mister##
ra \:	o ##madam##
sha \:	o ##mister##
ra \:	o o ##madam##
%
#endindian
\endsong
-------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #11912 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsra18001, 1.00, 08/01/2004}%
\stitle{zindagii badalii mohabbat kaa mazaa aane lagaa}%
\film{Anhonee}%
\year{1952}%
\starring{Raj Kapoor, Nargis}%
\singer{Lata, Rajkumari}%
\music{Roshan}%
\lyrics{Nakhshab Jaaravchi}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #11912 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
ra \:	zindagii badalii mohabbat kaa mazaa aane lagaa
	haay zindagii badalii
la \:	dil ke Tuka.De ho gaye har saa.Ns ta.Dapaane lagaa
	haay zindagii badalii
ra \:	zindagii badalii mohabbat kaa mazaa aane lagaa
	haay zindagii badalii

	( sach to ye hai dil ke haatho.n apanii qisamat ban ga_ii
	apanii qisamat ban ga_ii ) \-2
la \:	dil ke haatho.n ye muqaddar Thokare.n khaane lagaa
	dil ke Tuka.De ho gaye har saa.Ns ta.Dapaane lagaa
	haay zindagii badalii
ra \:	zindagii badalii mohabbat kaa mazaa aane lagaa
	haay zindagii badalii

	( aaj kitanaa apane mu.Nh (?) par ek dil ko naaz hai
	ek dil ko naaz hai ) \-2
la \:	ek dil apane kiye par aap pachhataane lagaa
	dil ke Tuka.De ho gaye har saa.Ns ta.Dapaane lagaa
	haay zindagii badalii
ra \:	zindagii badalii mohabbat kaa mazaa aane lagaa
	haay zindagii badalii
la \:	dil ke Tuka.De ho gaye har saa.Ns ta.Dapaane lagaa
	haay zindagii badalii
%
#endindian
\endsong
------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #11913 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrb12201, 1.00, 08/01/2004}%
\stitle{saajan tumase pyaar karuu.N mai.n kaise tumhe.n batalaa_uu.N}%
\film{Badnaam}%
\year{1952}%
\starring{Balraj Sahni, Shyama, Ulhas, Murad}%
\singer{Lata}%
\music{Basant Prakash}%
\lyrics{Hasrat}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #11913 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
saajan tumase pyaar karuu.N mai.n
kaise tumhe.n batalaa_uu.N \-2
tan\-man tum par waar karuu.N
kaise tumhe.n batalaa_uu.N \-2

( naino.n se laa ke tumako
dil me.n basaayaa hamane
dha.Dakan kii lay pe apanaa
haal sunaayaa hamane ) \-2
bajane lage hai.n dil ke taar taar taar jii \-2
kaise tumhe.n batalaa_uu.N \-2
saajan tumase pyaar karuu.N mai.n
kaise tumhe.n batalaa_uu.N \-2
%
#endindian
\endsong
--------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #11914 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrb04002, 1.00, 08/01/2004}%
\stitle{aajaa naa mere dilarubaa aajaa tuu aa ke phir naa jaa}%
\film{Bewafaa}%
\year{1952}%
\starring{Nargis, Raj Kapoor}%
\singer{Geeta Dutt}%
\music{A R Quereshi}%
\lyrics{Shams Azimabadi}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #11914 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
( aa jaa naa mere dilarubaa
aa jaa tuu aa ke phir naa jaa
tujhe pataa de merii jaa.N
aisaa zamaanaa phir kahaa.N ) \-2

( darawaazaa khulaa to khulaa
jhuulaa jawaanii kaa jhulaa
mujhe kyaa maa tujhe javaa.N
aisaa zamaanaa phir kahaa.N ) \-2
%
#endindian
\endsong
--------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #12070 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrd13902, 1.00, 13/01/2004}%
\stitle{moraa naazuk badan chhuve cha.nchal pawan}%
\film{Deewaanaa}%
\year{1952}%
\starring{Suraiyya, Suresh, ,Sumitra, Sham Kumar}%
\singer{Suraiyya}%
\music{Naushad}%
\lyrics{Shakeel}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #12070 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
( moraa naazuk badan
chhuye cha.nchal pawan ) \-2
( laaj a.nkhiyan me.n aaye
jiyaraa dha.Dak\-dha.Dak jaaye ) \-2
moraa naazuk badan

ho o
ThaNDii hawaa_o.n se mai.n sharamaa_uu.N \-2
nadiyaa kii laharo.n me.n tan ko chhupaa_uu.N
ko_ii dekhe naa haay

( laaj a.nkhiyan me.n aaye
jiyaraa dha.Dak\-dha.Dak jaaye ) \-2
moraa naazuk badan \-2
chhuye cha.nchal pawan
( laaj a.nkhiyan me.n aaye
jiyaraa dha.Dak\-dha.Dak jaaye ) \-2
moraa naazuk badan

o o
pa.nchhii ne jiiwan kii na_ii dhun gaa_ii \-2
sa.ng\-sa.ng jawaanii ne ba.nsii bajaa_ii
ko_Ii dil me.n samaaye

( laaj a.nkhiyan me.n aaye
jiyaraa dha.Dak\-dha.Dak jaaye ) \-2
moraa naazuk badan
( moraa naazuk badan
chhuye cha.nchal pawan ) \-2
( laaj a.nkhiyan me.n aaye
jiyaraa dha.Dak\-dha.Dak jaaye ) \-2
moraa naazuk badan
%
#endindian
\endsong
---------------------
% BOL ANAMOL: #12071 [V S Rawat]
%
\startsong
%stat{vsrg07001, 1.00, 13/01/2004}%
\stitle{kaalii\-kaalii ratiyaa.N yaad sataaye}%
\film{Ghungroo}%
\year{1952}%
\starring{Sumitra Devi, Om Prakash, Kuldip, K N Singh,  Muraad}%
\singer{Lata}%
\music{C Ramchandra}%
\lyrics{Rajinder Krishan}%
%
% Contributor: BOL ANAMOL #12071 [V S Rawat]
%
% Song courtesy: http://www.indiascreen.com (Late Shri Amarjit Singh)
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
kaalii\-kaalii ratiyaa.N \-2
yaad sataaye \-2

kaalii\-kaalii ratiyaa.N
yaad sataaye
sudh bisaraa_ii merii
duu.N mai.n duhaa_ii terii
haay more baalamaa

kaalii\-kaalii ratiyaa.N
yaad sataaye

( ratiyaa.N suhaanii bhuule
batiyaa.N puraanii bhuule
de ke nishaanii bhuule
priit kahaanii bhuule ) \-2
manawaa me.n chain naahi.n \-2
kaTatii ye rain naahii.n

sudh bisaraa_ii merii
duu.N mai.n duhaa_ii terii
haay more baalamaa

kaalii\-kaalii ratiyaa.N
yaad sataaye

chupake se chho.D gaye
manawaa ko to.D gaye
itanaa bataa do sai.nyaa.N \-2
kaahe mukh mo.D gaye
a.nkhiyo.n se duur kiyaa \-2
hu_aa majabuur jiyaa

sudh bisaraa_ii merii
duu.N mai.n duhaa_ii terii
haay more baalamaa

kaalii\-kaalii ratiyaa.N
yaad sataaye
%
#endindian
\endsong
-------------------end


author: Urzung Khan

subject: Re: BOL ANAMOL: bahe a.Nkhiyo.n se dhaar jiyaa meraa [V S RAWAT]

text:
[email] wrote:

  Lyrics were posted by me in January 2003.
  You made some observations there.
  Incidently, sai.nyaa.N has no middle .n,
  it is saiyaa.N.

  Urzung Khan


text:
Urzung Khan wrote:

located:
      From: urzung khan ([email])
      Date: 2003-01-24 19:16:18 PST

%
\startsong
\stitle{kaalii kaalii ratiyaa.N}%
\film{GHUNGROO}%
\year{1952}%
\starring{Sumitra Devi, Om Parkash, Kuldip Kaur}%
\singer{LATA}%
\music{C RAMCHANDRA}%
\lyrics{Rajinder Krishan}%
%
% Contributor: <Urzung Khan>
% Transliterator:
%
\printtitle
#indian
%
kaalii kaalii ratiyaa.N
yaad sataa_e
sudh bisaraa_ii merii
duu.N mai.n duhaa_ii terii
haa_e more baalamaa
kaalii kaalii ratiyaa.N
yaad sataa_e

ratiyaa.N suhaanii bhuule
batiyaa.N puraanii bhuule
de ke nishaanii bhuule
priit kahaanii bhuule
manawaa me.n chain naahii.n
kaTatii ye rain naahii.n
sudh bisaraa_ii merii
duu.n me.n duhaa_ii terii
haa_e more baalamaa
kaalii kaalii ratiyaa.N
yaad sataa_e

chup kaise chho.D gae
manawaa ko To.D gae
itanaa bataa do saiyaa.n
kaahe mukh mo.D gae
akhiyo.n se duur piyaa
huaa majabuur jiyaa
sudh bisaraa_ii merii
duu.n me.n duhaa_ii terii
haa_e more baalamaa
kaalii kaalii ratiyaa.N
yaad sataa_e
%
#endindian
\endsong
%

my posting of the above stands withdrawn.
-Rawat


author: JoanD'arcRoast

subject: Where is the best price for epoxy glue?

text:
Juergen & Kevin gave the suggestion for Starbond cyanoacrylate; thanks,
I bought some, and I it appears to be of good quality. [ no affiliation
] But next time, I'll ask Starbond if they can ship it cheaper -- FedEx
is a tad pricey...

Now I'm soliciting suggestions for Epoxy Glue. I use it with various
items (coffee grounds, sawdust, brass swarf, and metal filings, etc.)
for filling knots and bug holes... I don't imagine I need something
with super shear strength or other fancy aspects; just something that
dries fairly clear, and buffs up nicely.

I need maybe anywhere from 8 to 32 ounces, and hopefully about 15
minute pot life. (I currently am running out of some 5 minute type, but
sometimes it cures too quickly.)

So who sells an appropriate quality at a decent price?

The stuff on ebay seems to go for about $2.00 an ounce for generic glue
from hobby shops (when you factor in shipping and handling)...

Thanks for any help,
-j


author: John

subject: Re: Where is the best price for epoxy glue?

text:
In message <111220091457119907%JoanD'[email]>,
JoanD'arcRoast <JoanD'[email]> writes

For anyone looking for cheap CA, look at the building trade or model
making. I picked up Thick and Thin slow cure at 1/5th the price of ZAP
in the UK. Only has 1 year shelf life ( unless frozen) but it doesn't
last that long, so not an issue.


author: C & S

text:
Here is an option:

http://www.uscomposites.com/epoxy.html

"JoanD'arcRoast" <JoanD'[email]> wrote in message
news:111220091457119907%JoanD'[email]...


text:
I have had great luck with these products:

http://www.bsi-inc.com/

They make all grades of epoxies and CA glues, and sell many different
types of each.  He even has a military application line - they use his
stuff on the drones!

I have used the epoxy products for years in my construction business
as they are easily obtained since sold at a local store called Hobby
Lobby and are branded on the bottle as such.  However, when you read
the bottle, it says it is "Packaged by Bob Smith Industries".

I called them and they told me it wasn't a special formula, just a
rebranding.  I found this to be a good alternative to West Products,
System 3 and their stable as it are about 30 - 40% less than their
retail price.

Robert


author: Bill Noble

text:
there are places around where I live with names like "hastings plastic",
plastic warehouse and such - these places carry a range of resins and of
plastics - a gallon of resin plus hardener will run you $25 to $60 - you can
get all sorts of hardnesses, and you can adjust the pot life by how much
catalyst you use.

"JoanD'arcRoast" <JoanD'[email]> wrote in message
news:111220091457119907%JoanD'[email]...


author: Ecnerwal

text:
Shop where the boatbuilders shop. However, boatbuilders tend to shy away
from really quick, but you can get there easily enough by using the
"wrong" hardener for the season, or they do have some formulations
intended to be quick - or you can simply heat the components before
mixing for a faster cure.

Despite horrid webdesign and a lack of brand-name cachet, I've been
quite happy with stuff from progressive epoxy polymers.

If you yearn for conventional advertising System 3 and West System are
the ford and chevy, or lincoln and miller, of the epoxy religious views.


text:
In article
<[email]>,
Ecnerwal <[email]> wrote:

Thanks to all for the suggestions; I ended up using U.S. Composites.
(No affiliation.)

-j


subject: Help! Layover in Los Angeles (LAX) for 5 hrs with 4 kids!

text:
We are on the way to Tokyo and have a 5hr layover at LAX. I've heard
that it might be possible to go visit the beach for an hour or so
since it's only a few minutes away...  Which beach would this be?  How
hard will it be to find a taxi back to the aiport?

Any other ideas would be greatly appreciated... Or should we just plan
on biting the bullet and waiting for our next flight? (Is there
ANYTHING to do at LAX?)

Thanks so much for any suggestions!


subject: Re: Help! Layover in Los Angeles (LAX) for 5 hrs with 4 kids!

text:
[email] (rocketranger131!) wrote:

Somehow, the thought of doing an 11 hour flight to Tokyo after spending a few
hours at the beach is not a pleasant one. Unless you rented a hotel room and
were able to shower & change before flight time, it would not be a comfortable
flight.

The problem is that for international departures, you need to be in the terminal
at least 2 hours prior to flight time. That leaves you 3 hours to get somewhere,
spend some time there and return. If traffic is a problem (in either direction)
you would be in trouble.

Have you considered flying into LA a day before the Tokyo departure?


author: aes

text:
In article <[email]>,
 [email] (rocketranger131!) wrote:

I guess you *could* do this -- if you look at a map you'll see
that Playa del Ray beach, Venice Beach, maybe even Santa Monica
beach are just a mile or a few miles away -- and they're quite
nice.

Between delays in landing and getting to the gate on the incoming
flight and getting checked in on the outgoing flight and clearing
security, however, 5 hours could easily shrink to 3 or whatever.

I guess if I wanted to do this, and feel comfortable about it, I'd
want to have boarding passes for the second flight already
received when you check in for the first flight, or before you
leave LAX for the beach, and I'd want to keep the taxi right there
at the beach so there was no concern. about finding one to get
back to the airport.

In fact, even better would be to have an advance arrangement with
a limo service, so that as you come out of security from the first
flight a driver is standing right there with one of those
cardboard signs with your name on it . . .


author: James Robinson

text:
"rocketranger131!" wrote:

Venice Beach (six miles) and the Santa Monica Pier (8 miles) are a short
distance up highway one. There is lots of entertainment along that
beach, and the pier has a classic amusement park with rides on it, food
and shopping.  This would probably be the place you should go to see the
sights.

There's even a transit route between the airports transit center and the
beach. It takes 20 to 30 mminutes, and runs every 10 minutes during the
day. Here's a map:

http://www.bigbluebus.com/systemmap/index.asp

Though, given the amount of time you have, a taxi would be faster, with
the bus as an alternative.

If you just want to spend some time at a beach, there is a state beach
just off the end of the airport runways at Playa del Rey, which is a
little closer than Venice.  The aircraft can be noisy, however, since
this is under the noise abatement route.

http://www.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=617

I wouldn't recommend swimming here after a heavy rail though, since the
LA river empties into the ocean nearby and the water can be polluted.
If it hasn't rained, the river bed is dry, so no problem.


text:
Just go to the In and Out at Selpulveda, northwest of the field.  Have a
double-double. Mmmmm.


author: Adam Sowalsky

text:
Actually, you need to check in about 2 hours prior to departure. On a
layover, you generally already have your boarding pass, and if not, you can
request one upon landing. Your only time spent at the airport upon
re-arrival would be navigating through security since presumably all your
bags have been checked through.

In such a situation, I doubt you'll need more than an hour before you leave.

<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
few
and
comfortable
to do at LAX?)
terminal
somewhere,
direction)


author: mrtravel

text:
ERIKG3 wrote:

Nah, no Lilo and Stitch toy.

In&Out IMHO is overated.
Go to Ruby's for the shake.

On a more serious note, take a cab or bus to the Museum of Tolerance.


author: JF Mezei

text:
How many free hours between flights would be needed to make a side trip to
Malibu Beach worth it ?


author: Michael Brennan

text:
In&Out great burgers at great prices.

--mikeb

In article <[email]>,
mrtravel  <[email]> wrote:


text:
JF Mezei wrote:

Depends on traffic
Of course, who wants to go at 3 AM. :)
I once spent 2 hours getting from Century and I-405 to Malibu

The bad news was I was driving up the coast to San Francisco


author: Polar

text:
On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:02:25 GMT, [email] (Michael Brennan)
wrote:

Missed the beginning of this thread; )(*&&^%$# ISP drops messages.

If your baggage is checked through, and you don't have a lot of stuff to
schlep, take the kids up to Santa Monica. You can take free shuttle to
Parking Lot C, walk a few yards to the municipal bus terminal, and catch
the  #3 Big Blue Bus bus to Santa Monica for pennies.  Takes about 20
minutes. [1]  Or if you're feeling flush, a cab is about $25.

Check Santa Monica Big Blue Bus s chedule on their Web site to make sure
you don't lose time waiting around; they do run pretty frequently,
however.

You and kids can walk up & down the Promenade; maybe do some shopping;
plenty of eateries.  Or go to the beach, a whole 2 blocks away from
Downtown.


author: Cari

text:
"mrtravel" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
to

I can beat that...... 7 hours from Santa Monica to Topanga Canyon.  Yes,
there was a small fire in the Malibu Canyon.

Cari
www.coright.com


text:
Polar wrote:

They could also go to the amusement park at the pier.
I think they should just stop at Venice Beach. Is closer to LAX and the
people are more amusing.

OR.. Maybe the Museum of Tolerance.

And Ruby's for the shake, any day.......
Took my daughter to HB poer last week. I had a chocolate banana shake.
She likes the chocolate peanut butter.


text:
...get aggresively pan-handled by "the homeless", sight a celebrity, pick up an
anti-war sticker in front of the AMC theater, find out who really killed John
Lennon...


text:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:39:50 GMT, mrtravel <[email]>
wrote:

Aw, c'mon, it's not *that* much closer, and the street parking is
non-existent, so if they're driving, they have to pay for beach parking
lot.  If going by Big Blue Bus, it's not as readily accessible; have to
change, IIRC.

It's true that the Venice beach scene is a veritable zoo, but that's
mostly on weekends. Watch your wallet!


text:
"mrtravel" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Only when it rains.

Cari
www.coribright.com


author: Ruthless

subject: Jeremiah Wright at NAACP conference

text:
Just gave an incredible speech.

If he preached in a church in these parts, I would convert .


author: Rave On!

subject: Re: Jeremiah Wright at NAACP conference

text:
His speeches are incredible.  Unfortunately, while there are some
golden nuggets and some fantastic insight in his speeches, they are
masked by some of the venom, hate, and sarcasm that he spews while in
front of the masses.  He is a brilliant speaker, though.

Rave On!
Scott
--Open-minded, NJ--


author: rawbylaw

subject: Re: Jeremiah Wright at NAACP conference

text:
On Apr 27, 10:17 pm, [email] (Ruthless) wrote:

   i think his saying Africans, with their left brain centric,
creative and subjective mind way of learning and passing on oral
history,  were the ones who passed on the Old Testament to the Jews
3000 years ago, was errrrrrrrr shall we say,,,, frackin wacky and
ignorant and insulting in ways to many to number this early in the
morning.

-jim


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Jeremiah Wright at NAACP conference

text:
On Apr 28, 12:41 pm, "Rave On!" <[email]> wrote:

At what point in 20 years does BHO decide that he's not getting on the
plane to go drink the Koolaid ??


subject: Re: Jeremiah Wright at NAACP conference

text:
On Apr 28, 10:43�am, [email] (Ruthless) wrote:

I've watched several speeches.  He tells it like he sees it.
Sometimes, he crosses the line.  Whether it be with his humor or his
cynicism, he seems to purposely try to say something for the cameras
that goes over the heads of most in his audience.  The guy is
charismatic and very sharp, but too many will only judge him on the
sound bite of a sentence fragment rather than on the volume of his
words.

Rave On!
Scott
--Media Machine, NJ--


subject: Re: Jeremiah Wright at NAACP conference

text:
On Apr 28, 10:43 am, [email] (Ruthless) wrote:

  the entire thing.  pretty much the truth, eh?  what about this
passage
------------------------------
..African and African-American children have a different way of
learning.
They are right brained, subject oriented in their learning style.
Right brain that means creative and intuitive. Subject oriented means
they learn from a subject, not an object. They learn from a person.
Some of you are old enough, I see your hair color, to remember when
the NAACP won that tremendous desegregation case back in 1954 and when
the schools were desegregated. They were never integrated. When they
were desegregated in Philadelphia, several of the white teachers in my
school freaked out. Why? Because black kids wouldn't stay in their
place. Over there behind the desk, black kids climbed up all on them.
Because they learn from a subject, not from an object. Tell me a
story. They have a different way of learning....
----------------------------
 now, that some dangerous wacky shit my friends, Steve Marmer
summerize's
how dangerous:
"Wright basically asserted that there is inborn biological difference
between those of European stock and those of African stock that
culture and education cannot overcome.
I believe that biology is important. I believe that culture -- deep
culture -- is important. I believe that education is important. The
balance among these elements is even more important. But the
consequences of the view that there are innate biological differences
that trump culture and education is very dangerous.
I do not believe a civil society democratically constituted can
withstand such a view. Democracy as we know it in America, that goes
beyond mere plebiscite and extends to freedom of speech, of
association, to reliable contracts, fair courts, rule of law, and the
notion that no one should, on the basis of biological characteristics
alone, be excluded from full citizenship rights, cannot withstand the
notion that there are innate biological differences between races that
trump our common culture and our universal standards of education."

nothing wrong with the speech, eh?  It's not about me, Wright says,
but the Fatherland, errr Black Church

-jim


subject: Re: Jeremiah Wright at NAACP conference

text:
On Apr 28, 10:43 am, [email] (Ruthless) wrote:

  the entire speech, eh?   may i direct your attention to this
passage:

"African and African-American children have a different way of
learning.
They are right brained, subject oriented in their learning style.
Right brain that means creative and intuitive. Subject oriented means
they learn from a subject, not an object. They learn from a person.
Some of you are old enough, I see your hair color, to remember when
the NAACP won that tremendous desegregation case back in 1954 and when
the schools were desegregated. They were never integrated. When they
were desegregated in Philadelphia, several of the white teachers in my
school freaked out. Why? Because black kids wouldn't stay in their
place. Over there behind the desk, black kids climbed up all on them.
Because they learn from a subject, not from an object. Tell me a
story. They have a different way of learning."

  now, that's some dangerous wacky stuff, my friends. does it really
have to be explained why? well then, this cat Steve Marmer does a
decent job imho:

"Wright basically asserted that there is inborn biological difference
between those of European stock and those of African stock that
culture and education cannot overcome.
I believe that biology is important. I believe that culture -- deep
culture -- is important. I believe that education is important. The
balance among these elements is even more important. But the
consequences of the view that there are innate biological differences
that trump culture and education is very dangerous.
I do not believe a civil society democratically constituted can
withstand such a view. Democracy as we know it in America, that goes
beyond mere plebiscite and extends to freedom of speech, of
association, to reliable contracts, fair courts, rule of law, and the
notion that no one should, on the basis of biological characteristics
alone, be excluded from full citizenship rights, cannot withstand the
notion that there are innate biological differences between races that
trump our common culture and our universal standards of education."

 Wright's been dodging and weaving this morning about this is not
about him, but what he sees as an attack on the Black Church.  No, it
is about him, him alone and his words alone, nothing more nothing
less.

-jim


subject: Re: Jeremiah Wright at NAACP conference

text:
In article
<[email]>, "Rave
On!" <[email]> wrote:

I didn't find him hateful at all.

Did you watch the entire thing?

I thought he pretty much told the truth.


subject: Re: Jeremiah Wright at NAACP conference

text:
On Apr 28, 9:43 am, [email] (Ruthless) wrote:

I saw him this morning talking at the National Press Club.  I found
him to have a good sense of humor (open to being a Vice-Presidential
candidate), but Wally says that with attention shifting to him will
just kill Obama's chances.  I haven't decided if I agree or not .....
I hope not.

Bev


author: Evolution

subject: Re: Jeremiah Wright at NAACP conference

text:
rawbylaw wrote:

The suggestion was made on CNN that he may be trying to take advantage
of his notoriety to become the new Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson...

I don't think this is hurting him in the primaries, but certainly would
in the general should he manage to swing the nomination.

Laurie


subject: Re: Jeremiah Wright at NAACP conference

text:
RaveOn Scott wrote:

Ruthless replied:

Just want to make a *general* point here that telling the truth and venom/hate/sarcasm are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Demonstrating the latter may, on occasion, even be evidence that you are indeed in touch with the former.

rcb


subject: Re: Jeremiah Wright at NAACP conference

text:
rcb30 wrote:

Good point...  and the "truth" is unappetizing to many Americans, which
is why politicians lie...

Laurie


author: Ukes

subject: Re: Jeremiah Wright at NAACP conference

text:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:19:47 -0700, Evolution <[email]> wrote:

Except when politicians are telling us how smart, generous and great
we Americans are.

Then they're telling the truth. :-)


author: Wan

subject: Li Poly battery won't charge?

text:
Hi,

This will be my 8th Li Poly battery, a Kokam 11.1 V, 1500 mAh 3 cells
in series. When I connected it to my Triton charger, the "end" signal
came on in about 3 seconds. The battery was initially checked at
11.52V and after connecting it to the charger  it read 11.62 V.

My other batteries when fully charged read around 12.40 V+

Seems they should be all be working the same.

I wonder if this is the way a new battery should be now? Is it safe to
use it as is from the supplier (FMA Direct)? And should I call their
tech support about it?

Any input will be greatly appreciated.

Wan


author: Ted Campanelli

subject: Re: Li Poly battery won't charge?

text:
On 5/10/2004 5:05 PM Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these
great (and sometimes not so great) words of knowledge:

The battery should be OK.  When you first take a battery off charge, it
will read "high".  If you check it an hour later it will have dropped.
To be sure, check the voltage of EACH INDIVIDUAL CELL.  LiPo should not
vary BY MORE THAN .1 VOLT (point 1 volt) from each other.  If they vary
by more than that, charge each cell individually.  After that discharge
the pack and recharge it and see what it reads.


author: The Natural Philosopher

subject: Re: Li Poly battery won't charge?

text:
Wan wrote:

weird.

Onl time I had a prob like this was a kokam 560 pack. It hadsuch high
internal resistance the violts clocked 8,4 almoist as soon as I put it
on teh charger.

Dropping the charge current fixed it - but it takes a long tme to
charge.NOT the best lipo cells ever made the 560's...

Try charging it at about .5A and see what happens.

Maybe the pack is high resistance.


subject: Re: Li Poly battery won't charge?

text:
Ted Campanelli <[email]> wrote in message news:<scUnc.790$[email]>...

Ted,

My battery is a  Kokam and they come  already assembled, shrink
wrapped with no tabs for checking individual cells. Would it do any
good if I discharged the pack first then recharged it again to bring
it up to read a voltage of 12.40 volts+?

Wan


subject: Re: Li Poly battery won't charge?

text:
The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote in message news:<40A0B6A6.3000105@b.c>...

Thanks everyone. The question is moot now because I returned the
battery to FMA Direct. It took many phone calls over two days. I find
it difficult to believe that their tech support person would that
busy.

Wan


subject: Re: Li Poly battery won't charge?

text:
Wan wrote:

I'd try charging at a lower rate. Lipolys do 'improve with age' before
slowly becoming senile.


author: ville terminale

subject: the most and least competitive divisions right now

text:
the least gotta be the heavyweight division. after lewis left, it's
just a bunch of losers.


author: Highpoint

subject: Re: the most and least competitive divisions right now

text:
"ville terminale" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Not which divisions are talent filled, but which are the most competitive.

Super-Middleweight would in my opinion be the most competitive. There are at
least four fighters in the division with a realistic shot of becoming the
Ring champion.

The heavyweight division is competitive now with the departure of Lewis, as
is the ever exciting Junior-Welterweight division if only we could get it's
champion back in the ring.

Middleweight is the least competitive for the moment. Middleweight is
completely locked down by the Executioner.

HIGHPOINT

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author: Michael Plumridge

text:
I don't think the lack of talent in the heavyweight division makes it any
less competitive than any other division. Perhaps less entertaining and
inspiring, but not less competitive. In fact, I think it's fair to say that
it has the potential to get very exciting very soon. I'd rather see two
semi-talented hacks in a war than two good boxers in a relative snooze-fest.
Of course ideally we'd see two good boxers play the whole chess game of the
fight and brawl a bit too, but that's asking a bit much. Stay tuned. It
might not have the action of the lower weights but it's very competitive at
this point as there are no clear favorites to dominate the division anymore.
I kind of like that. More fights with more fighters.

"ville terminale" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Jim De Pierro

text:
Most talent rich weight division would have to be jr. welterweight.  Least
talented is super middleweight.

"Michael Plumridge" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
that
snooze-fest.
the
at
anymore.


author: Josie & Randy Pike

subject: Stitching Party Help

text:
I am hosting a gathering for some stitching friends on Monday evening.
   Does anyone know of any stitching related party type games ?
  I am thinking  of making a list of statements or questions that each
stitcher could respond to and win or lose points.
   For example: 1. For each project you finished this year, give yourself 2
points.
2. Five points for entering a piece in an exhibition (state fair). 3.Lose 2
points if you haven't stitched this past week.
  Get the picture ??
   Any and all ideas appreciated.

Thanks ,
Josie


author: Joan Erickson

subject: Re: Stitching Party Help

text:
Josie & Randy Pike wrote:
	I've always likes word games.  You could do word scrambles for
stitching terms or a crossword puzzle or a word find and give them a
time limit to finish the game.
	Or, how 'bout stuffing a bunch of skeins in a jar and have them
guess how many?
	How about an impromptu designing session?  Give them each a
paper and colored pencils and see who can come up with a design the
group would like to stitch most?
	Never tried any of these--just a few ideas off the top o' me
haid!


subject: Re: Stitching Party Help

text:
Josie & Randy Pike wrote:
	Oops, replying to my own post---I now see that this was for
the *past* Monday! :(  So, how did your party go?


author: Norma Woods

subject: Re: Stitching Party Help

text:
4. so many points lost for things that didn't fit.
5. so many point gained for choosing the colour the recipient really liked.


author: PaulaB

subject: Re: Stitching Party Help

text:
"Josie & Randy Pike" <[email]> wrote in message news:<CtJM9.3814$[email]>...

What a GREAT idea!  This sounds like soooo much fun.  At a Christmas
In July open house at my (no-longer-in-business) LNS once she copied
designers' logos (all right, I know there's copyright things here,
but...) and we got to guess the designers' names.  Harder than you
think!  (And even with copyright stuff, I would think the designers
would be glad for a little free publicity.)  You could do grab-bag
type gift bags for prizes, if you plan to have them for the games...or
just little gadgets and gizmos that are inexpensive but fun and
useful.  For the list you have started above, you could add things
like number of WIPs/UFOs; how many complete sets of DMC/Anchor do you
own; how many states have you shopped in for stash; how many framed
pieces in your living room (or any other area, of course); how many
people stitch in planes/trains/cars; how many pairs of scissors do you
have; who's been stitching the longest/shortest length of time...and
that's about all I can think of right offhand.  But what a great idea!
 I may have to do this sometime!  Paula B.


author: Pat Dumas

subject: Re: Stitching Party Help

text:
Hmmm...

Let's see...

1) You could fill a clean mayonnaise jar with skeins of floss and have them
"Guess the Number of Skeins"

2) Additional questions for your sentence quiz:

    a.    Give yourself 1 point if you have visited an LNS in the last two
           days.
    b.    Give yourself 3 points if you have visited an LNS today.
    c.    Giver yourself 5 points if you bought something during your visit.
    d.    Give yourself 10 points if you were able to walk out empty handed!

3)    Give yourself (x) points if you've tried one or more of the following
        types of needlework
        a. Stumpwork
        b. Blackwork
        c. Whitework
        d. Bargello
        et.c etc.etc.

Just a couple of ideas!

Pat

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author: CandyCorr

subject: Re: Stitching Party Help

text:
Why do you need games?  This is a party for stitchers.  Just let them stitch
and they will have a great time.

Candy


author: Candide

subject: Wagner Ware Magnalite

text:
Just picked up a nice 2-3 quart saucepan from my local thrift.

It is very heavy and  has "Wagner Ware, Sidney Ohio, Magnalite" along
with a number on the bottom of the pan.

Bought it because it is very heavy (figure it is aluminium and not SS
since it is rather "vintage" looking and don't think they had SS
cookware in the 40's), and solidly made with a lid that fits securely
and tightly.

Can anyone tell me more about "Wagner Ware"? I have a Wagner Ware cast
iron skillet, are they cousins?

Also is are there any sort of foods I should not cook in this type of
pan? Is it oven safe?

TiA

Candide


author: Vox Humana

subject: Re: Wagner Ware Magnalite

text:
"Candide" <[email]> wrote in message
news:bf7e04$c4vn5$[email]...

I got a set of Magnalite cookware around 1980 and retired it a couple of
years ago.  I still use it in the rare instance when I need another pan of a
specific size.  It is cast aluminum and has a lot of mass.  That means it
conducts heat well and maintains an even temperature.  There are two major
disadvantages, in my opinion, to cast aluminum.  First, it reacts with
acidic food.  That causes the surface to corrode and can transfer a metallic
taste and color to your food.  The second issue is related to the first.
You shouldn't put aluminum in the dishwasher because the caustic dishwasher
powder will discolor and corrode the aluminum.  The roughened surface then
causes food to stick.  I believe that the Magnalite company closed some time
ago, so you won't find any new pieces.  My cookware has wooden knobs and
handles.  I also think that is a problem with cookware.  I like to start
things on the stove top and finish them in a very hot oven.  You have to be
careful about putting wooden handles in a hot oven or under the boiler.


subject: Re: Wagner Ware Magnalite

text:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:07:30 -0400, "Candide"
<[email]> wrote:

[...]

I envy you your find.  I have 5 or 6 pieces of Magnalite from sets my
mother and grandmother had, purchased in the 1930s and 40s.  They are
still among my favorite cookware.  As you surmized, they are
(pressure) cast aluminum.  The handles on mine are bakelite.  Bakelite
will take quite a bit of heat, but in the interest of preserving the
handles (there are no replacements available anymore) I keep them out
of the oven.

As noted, strongly acid foods, left in contact with the aluminum for
prolonged cooking, will etch the aluminum and induce a metalic taste
in the food.  Make your spaghetti sauce in something else.

The 12in dia by 3 in deep skillet is still the first thing I reach for
when starting a batch of onions for Indian dishes or any slow even
simmering.


author: Melba's Jammin'

subject: Re: Wagner Ware Magnalite

text:
In article <[email]>, B.Server <>
wrote:

That's the piece I spoke for when my mom died.   I love it.


subject: Re: Wagner Ware Magnalite

text:
<B.Server> wrote in message
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Thanks for both replies!

Was looking for a pot to replace my Teflon coated one as I'm chucking
that stuff out and slowly acquiring "good" pieces. Will mainly use this
for cooking rice and  perhaps steaming veggies/cooking other
non-reactive foods.

This thrift gets really great stuff in and hardly anyone goes after pots
and pans since people in my area won't touch anything without a "name".
Their loss and just more for me!

Peeked on eBay and all I can say is *WOW*; vintage Wagner Ware is a hot
commodity. People seem to really love them especially the larger
roaster/covered roasters. In fact have my eye on a few pieces, those
large roasters look just perfect for use on Thanksgiving.

Regards,

Candide


subject: Re: Wagner Ware Magnalite

text:
<B.Server> wrote in message
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The handles on mine are bakelite too, have quite few vintage
appliances/cookware to spot it by now.
Thanks for the tip, will keep my new baby out of the oven.

Looking for a nice enamelled cast iron dutch oven for slow cooking. My
current dutch oven is regular cast iron and turns my Coq au Vin a weird
colour.

My skillet is an old Farberware, but know what you mean. Have a nice old
copper "Reverware" sautï¿½ pan, but who can be bothered cleaning copper
after each use?  So it just hangs on the wall for mostly display.

Candide


author: TINY

subject: Re: Wagner Ware Magnalite

text:
Try looking at Flea Markets you can find a lot of nice old pots there and
there real cheap I just got a Wagner cast iron 5 qt. Dutch oven for $3.00
all seasoned up nice and ready to go.
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author: Ken B Lane

subject: Kenneth Lane's opera "Shakespeare"

text:
My single protagonist opera "Shakespeare" will be obtainable on the Valhalla
Records label in home video and CD formats.

Shakespeare reviews in his mind, chronologically his life  span's  work output
at the close of his life.

Higlights of his histories, comedies, tragedies and sonnets comprise the body
of the opera with a framework that encompasses his contempraries and the issues
of his day.

The video and CD will be obtainable in stores and online.

If there is anything to learn from the past, it is that many DO NOT LEARN, but
seek to gain, without the work ethic, fabulous lifestyles.

To sing with flair, with complete control of the vocal instrument, and with a
deep understanding of the communicative potential that singing CAN provide, one
should investigate one's own potential, be it professional or merely as an
added talent.

One can achieve quick, demonstrable results from the very first lesson if one
studies with a teacher who "has been there."  And dramatically long singing
careers augur the rightness of one's vocal technique.

I have sung professionally since age 17 and have commercial CDs on the Valhalla
Records label of live solo concerts in the main hall of Carnegie Hall, sold at
the Metropolitan Opera House, Barnes & Noble, Borders, HMV, Sam Goodys and
Tower Records.

For late-hour shoppers my CDs are also on sale at Colony Records at 49th Street
and Broadway, New York, until 1 AM everyday.

To comprehend what one can do with a good vocal technique, listen to track 4,
my "Siegmund heiss ich!," from Wagner's "Die Wakoere" on
my "Wagner's Epic Heroes" CD [Valhalla Records VRCD-1595].

All the best for the upcoming holiday season!

Kenneth Bennett Lane, Wagnerian romantischer heldentenor, composer 	of the
single-protagonist opera "Shakespeare," and teacher of 	singing at
Carnegie Hall and at The Festspielhaus of Boonton.
E-Mail: [email]
Current Manhattan [NYC] Bell Atlantic (Verizon)  Yellow Pages Classified
	Telephone directory, under MUSIC: Instruction:Vocal pg 1064
"2000" Musical America International Directory of the Performing Arts,
	pg 404
To Chat: (973) 335-0111 & (973) 541-1678
"The highest reward for a man's toil is not what he gets for it, but what he
becomes by it!"  John Ruskin


author: Brendan R. Wehrung

subject: Re: Kenneth Lane's opera "Shakespeare"

text:
A one-man show?  Darn, I was looking for a more expansive treatment of the
subject, with all those heldencountertenor roles for the parts originally
played by boys. Nobody's written for that range in years.

Brendan

Ken B Lane ([email]) writes:


subject: Re: Kenneth Lane's opera "Shakespeare"

text:
In article <911vf3$s7n$[email]>,
  [email] (Brendan R. Wehrung) wrote:
of the
originally

I suspect that Mr. Lane is something more along the lines of
the "bargain counter tenor" beloved of P.D.Q. Bach. He might be able to
sing those high parts if he voulnteered to become a "geldentenor,"
though.

T.C.

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author: David R L Porter

subject: Re: Kenneth Lane's opera "Shakespeare"

text:
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  from  Top_Catt <[email]> contains these words:

Now that's funny.

LOL.


author: A.E. Gelat

subject: Inflation

text:
Which country had the worst inflation, that is the highest multiplicand of
the basic unit in a short period.  It could be Germany after WWI or Hungary
after WWII.  Argentina had successive revaluations, a thousand at a time,
and cumulatively may get the prize.  Gibbons often makes a note about a
revaluation when new stamps are issued.

Tony

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author: Jay T. Carrigan

subject: Re: Inflation

text:
In Hungary, a 20 gram domestic letter cost 0.30 Pengo prior to May 1,
1945. By July 24, 1946 that same letter cost the equivalent of

     800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Pengo.

After the currency reform on Aug. 1 the new rate was 0.60 Forint.

I don't know if Argentina can top that or not.  I wouldn't overlook
Turkey either.

     Jay Carrigan          change domain to mchsi
     <www.jaypex.com>

In article <[email]>, [email]
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author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Inflation

text:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:01:54 GMT, [email] (Jay T.
Carrigan) wrote:

I couldn't even fathom that many 1 pengo notes stacked up next to each
other.  That's definitely more than the SNA budget!

A follow up question would be - how does a country get into these
hyper-inflation scenarios?

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