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              The King Hall Law School USENET FAQ Part 2 of 9
             Frequently Asked Questions at and about King Hall
                            (c) Copyright 1995

                                    by

                           David F. Prenatt, Jr.
                          King Hall, 1995 Alumnus
                         U.C. Davis School of Law
                         University of California
                           Davis, CA 95616-5210

                      <mailto:[email]>

The King Hall Law School USENET FAQ (King Hall USENET FAQ) may be comprised
of more than one part.  If it is, please see the TABLE OF CONTENTS in Part
One for a complete list of the questions that I have attempted to answer
and for other important legal information.  Caveat emptor:  I assume no
obligation to anyone through the publication of the King Hall USENET FAQ.
Furthermore, all versions of the King Hall USENET FAQ are my personal
property and are protected by applicable copyright laws.  All rights are
reserved except as follows:  I hereby give my permission to anyone who has
access to this version of the King Hall USENET FAQ to reproduce the
information contained herein for non-profit purposes, provided that proper
credit is given to me as the author of this FAQ and that I am promptly
notified of any use other than personal use.  I may revoke permission to
reproduce any version of this FAQ at any time.

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              The King Hall Law School USENET FAQ Part 2 of 9
             Frequently Asked Questions at and about King Hall
                (c) Copyright 1995 by David F. Prenatt, Jr.

1)  ABOUT THIS FAQ.

1.1)  Who wrote this FAQ and how can I reach him?

     The King Hall USENET FAQ was written by me, David F. Prenatt, Jr.,
     1995 alumnus of the University of California, Davis School of Law
     (King Hall).  Until further notice, you can reach me by e-mail at U.C.
     Davis, [email] (<mailto:[email]>) or by
     snail-mail (i.e., U.S. Mail) through the U.C. Davis Law School:

          David F. Prenatt, Jr.
          c/o King Hall Alumni Association
          U.C. Davis, School of Law
          University of California
          Davis, CA 95616-5210

1.2)  What information is contained in this FAQ?

     Anything that I, as the author of this FAQ, decided would be of
     interest to members or would-be members of the King Hall community.
     See PREFATORY QUESTIONS (Section 0) for more information.

1.3)  How is this FAQ organized? [Rev]

     This version of this FAQ may be arbitrarily divided into unequal parts
     where I felt it was convenient to do so.  I did this for two reasons.
     First, some readers of this FAQ may have specific questions and may
     not want to read the entire FAQ.  If this version of this FAQ is
     comprised of more than one part, the first part will contain the
     complete TABLE OF CONTENTS.  Thus, readers of this FAQ may refer to
     the TABLE OF CONTENTS to find out where to look for the specific
     questions that they want answered.  Second, some computer services are
     unable to handle extremely large computer files.  Thus, if this
     version of this FAQ is comprised of more than one part, no one part
     will exceed 32k.  See the TABLE OF CONTENTS in this FAQ more detailed
     information about how the contents of this version of this FAQ are
     organized.
          This FAQ uses standard Uniform Resource Locator (URL) references
     to accomodate readers with a web browser:

          <ftp://[ftp_site]/[directory]/[archive]>
          (file transfer protocol)

          <gopher://[gopher_address]>
          (gopher protocol)

          <http://[World_Wide_Web_address]>
          (hypertext transfer protocol)

          <mailto:[e-mail_account]@[domain]>
          (SMTP: Simple Mail Transfer Protocol)

          <news:[newsgroup_or_article-number@newserver]>
          (NNTP: Network News Tranfer Protocol)

          <telnet:[telnet_site]>
          (IP: Internet protocol)

     These URL references will act as hyptertext links for those using
     Netscape to read this FAQ on the USENET.

1.4)  How can I obtain this FAQ?

     This FAQ is archived at rtfm.mit.edu in the pub/usenet/news.answers
     directory under the archive name ucdavis/king-hall-faq/part* (where *
     = 1 through 9), where it is available by anonymous ftp and e-mail
     request.  See Section 11.3.3.1 for more information about ftp and e-
     mail request.  This FAQ is updated once a month and posted to the
     USENET newsgroups ucd.king-hall (<news:ucd.king-hall>) and
     news.answers (<news:news.answers>).  Snail-mail requests to me for the
     King Hall USENET FAQ [Offline] (Version 1.6), released December 3,
     1995, will be honored within the United States (U.S.), if those
     requests are accompanied by $5.00 U.S. currency in the form of a check
     or money order for each copy ordered to cover the cost of printing,
     shipping, and handling; volume discounts and licensing agreements are
     available.  At my discretion, I may ship a more recent version of this
     FAQ unless you specify otherwise.  A hypertext version of this FAQ is
     currently available from the USNET FAQ Project:

 <http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/ucdavis/king-hall-faq/
         top.html>

1.5)  Are there any other FAQs available by the author of this FAQ?

     Yes.  I have published five other FAQS:

     The U.C. Davis USENET FAQ, appearing on ucd.general
     <news:ucd.general>, and available by anonymous ftp and e-mail request
     at the rtmf.mit.edu ftp server:

          <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/ucdavis/faq/part1>
          . . . [through]. . .
          <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/ucdavis/faq/part6>
          (see part 1 for a complete list of the TABLE OF CONTENTS)

     with a hypertext version available at the USENET FAQ Project:

  <http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/ucdavis/faq/top.html>

          The Davis, California USENET FAQ (Davis USENET FAQ), appearing on
     davis.general (<news:davis.general>), and available by anonymous ftp
     an e-mail request at the rtfm.mit.edu ftp server:

          <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/davis/faq/part1>
          . . . [through] . . .
          <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/davis/faq/part6>
          (see part 1 for a complete list of the TABLE OF CONTENTS)

     with a hypertext version available at the USENET FAQ Project:

    <http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/davis/faq/top.html>

          The Yolo County, California USENET FAQ (Yolo County USENET FAQ),
     appearing on yolo.general (<news:yolo.general>) and available by
     anonymous ftp an e-mail request at the rtfm.mit.edu server:

          <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/yolo/faq/part1>
          <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/yolo/faq/part2>
          <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/yolo/faq/part3>
          (see part 1 for a complete list of the TABLE OF CONTENTS)

     with a hypertext version available at the USENET FAQ Project:

     <http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/yolo/faq/top.html>

         The Sacramento, California USENET FAQ (Sacramento USENET FAQ),
     appearing on sac.general (<news:sac.general>)and available by
     anonymous ftp and e-mail request at the rtfm.mit.edu server:

          <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/sac/faq/part1>
          . . . [through] . . .
          <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/sac/faq/part6>
          (see part 1 for a complete list of the TABLE OF CONTENTS)

     with a hypertext version available at the USENET FAQ Project:

    <http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/davis/faq/top.html>

          The San Francisco Bay Area USENET FAQ (Bay Area USENET FAQ),
     appearing on ba.general <news:ba.general> and (pending approval of the
     *.answers team) available by anonymous ftp and e-mail request at the
     rtfm.mit.edu server.

     These FAQs are updated once a month and the most current versions are
     posted on news.answers (<news:news.answers>)-- except for the Bay Area
     USENET FAQ, which is still pending approval of the *.answers team--
     and the appropriate designated USENET newsgroup.  Offline versions of
     the December 3, 1995 releases of these FAQs are available within the
     U.S. by snail-mail request, if your request is accompanied by $5.00
     U.S. currency in the form of a check or money order for each copy of
     each FAQ that you order, to cover the cost of printing, shipping, and
     handling; volume discounts and licensing agreements are available.
     Including the FAQs that are listed here, I have about a dozen FAQS
     currently under construction and/or pending approval of the *.answers
     team.

2)  PREPARING FOR LAW SCHOOL.

2.1)  What should I do to prepare for law school?

     There is no right way to prepare for law school, academically or
     otherwise.  However, there are ways to maximize your chances of
     getting admitted to the law school of your choice.  In most instances,
     what prepares you for law school is just living.

2.1.1)  What sort of academic preparation is required for law school?

     An undergraduate degree from a prestigious university is by far the
     best way to maximize your appeal as a law school candidate.  However,
     many law schools do not even require that you have a four year degree.
     In any event, other than the undergraduate education that most law
     schools require, no scholastic preparation is necessary for success
     once you are in law school.
          While no scholastic preparation is necessary for law school, many
     law students have advanced degrees in various disciplines.  In fact,
     many of them have already achieved remarkable success in careers other
     than the law.  In other words, people who are among the best and
     brightest apply to law school.  As such, most law schools can pick and
     choose from whomever they want to have as incoming students.
          Rather than simply pick the elite of the best and brightest,
     however, law schools try to find people with unique and interesting
     backgrounds to achieve diversity in the law school student body.
     Thus, no student is guaranteed admission to any law school, regardless
     of his or her credentials.  This comes as quite a shock to many
     applicants with impeccable credentials who are rejected by the law
     school of their choice.

2.1.1.1)  What undergraduate program should someone pursue if he or she
          plans to go to law school?

     An unusual undergraduate major typically maximizes your chances of
     admission to law school.  However, your class ranking as an
     undergraduate is also very important because many other applicants
     will probably have a scholastic background that is similar to yours,
     so study something that you will enjoy and at which you will do well.

2.1.1.2)  Aren't political science majors better prepared for law school
          than other college graduates?

     As a rule, no.  Political science is a distinct and different
     discipline than the law.  Even so, many people who go to law school
     have studied political science as an undergraduate.  Other things
     being equal, they are no better qualified to study the law than anyone
     else is.  They are also at a distinct disadvantage in the law school
     application process, which favors diversity.  The number of political
     science majors who apply to law school and get accepted by the law
     school of their choice is proportionately small when compared to other
     undergraduate majors.

2.1.1.3)  Wouldn't someone who studied a challenging undergraduate major be
          better qualified to study the law than someone who studied
          underwater basket weaving?

     Not necessarily.  No matter how challenging an undergraduate major is,
     it does not qualify you to study law.  It merely demonstrates your
     ability in that undergraduate major and/or your commitment to that
     major.  Someone who excels at underwater basket weaving may be just as
     qualified to study the law as someone who excels at the most
     challenging undergraduate major.  More important is the fact that
     someone who has studied underwater basket weaving is more likely to
     get admitted to the law school of his or her choice based on
     diversity.

2.1.2)  What else should I do to prepare for law school?

     Whatever appeals to you.  Some sort of work experience is usually your
     best option.

2.1.2.1)  What type of work experience best prepares someone for law
          school?

     With the possible exception of legal work experience, no particular
     type of work experience prepares you for law school better than any
     other.  On the other hand, there is no work experience that does not
     prepare you for law school.  The law affects every aspect of modern
     living, including virtually every type of job, so every type of work
     experience prepares you for law school.

2.1.2.2)  What other kinds of experience prepare someone for law school?

     The best kind of experience to prepare someone for law school is
     overcoming some sort of personal hardship.  Law school can be a
     humbling experience, even for the best and brightest.  In my humble
     opinion, those who get the most out of the law school experience are
     those who know how to cope with both success and failure.

2.2)  How do I know if I'm ready for law school?

     Objectively speaking, no one is ever ready for law school.  No one
     leaves law school as the same person that he or she was when he or she
     entered.  Subjectively speaking, you are ready for law school whenever
     you make the decision to apply.

2.2.1)  What if I don't know why I want to go to law school?

     Join the club.  It is a rare individual who knows why he or she wants
     to go to law school.  Those who think that they know why they want to
     go to law school typically discover opportunities in law school that
     they had never considered before.  Some people stick with their
     original goals, but the odds are stacked against it.

2.2.2)  What if I am too old to go to law school?

     Nonsense.  If you are young enough to think about going to law school,
     then you are young enough to go.  There is no such thing as a good
     excuse for choosing not to do something that you want to do, and there
     is no time like the present to start making up for lost time.

3)  APPLYING TO LAW SCHOOL.

     In the United States and elsewhere, the law school application process
     feeds a cottage industry that is more or less controlled and directed
     by the benevolent leadership of Law Services.  For more information on
     the ins-and-outs of applying to law school, contact Law Services at:

          Law Services
          Box 2000
          661 Penn St
          Newtown, PA 18940-0998

     or visit the Law School Admissions Council Online Home Page on the
     World Wide Web (<http://www.lsas.org/>).

3.1)  To which law school(s) should I submit (an) application(s)?

     You should submit applications to as many law schools as possible,
     covering a spectrum from the schools that you really want to attend to
     the schools that you would attend if you had no other choice
     (regardless of cost--the higher the tuition at a particular school,
     the greater the financial aid awards are that they will offer).  I
     strongly recommend that you apply to my alma mater, King Hall, the
     smallest (total enrollment approx. 500) and youngest (established
     1969) of the four U.C. law schools.  U.C. Davis Law School is approved
     by the American Bar Association (ABA), it is highly ranked (both by
     academics and professionals), and it is very affordable to California
     residents (although tuition continues to rise).  Also noteworthy is
     the fact that graduates of King Hall have traditionally had the number
     one passage rate on the California Bar Exam (arguably the hardest bar
     exam in the nation), more consistently than any other law school in
     California.

3.2)  What do I need to do to apply to law school?

     Every law school's application requirements are different, so contact
     the law schools that you are interested in attending.  Most law
     schools require that you complete an application form and submit other
     information with your application, such as personal references, a
     personal statement, and the compilation of scholastic records that is
     provided by the Law School Data Assembly Service (LSDAS).  The LSDAS
     reports your score(s) on the Law School Admission Test (LSAT), which
     you should take as early as possible.  It is also important to apply
     for financial aid and scholarships as early as possible.  For more
     information on the LSAT, the LSDAS, and appplying to law school,
     contact Law Services (see Section 3 for information on how to contact
     Law Services).

3.2.1)  Who should I get to give me references for law school?

     The identity of the people that provide your references is not as
     important as their relationship to you.  Some law schools specifically
     request that you provide references from former professors or
     employers.  Whatever your relationship to the people whom you ask to
     provide as a reference, pick people who will lavish praise upon you.

3.2.2)  What should I include in my personal statement for my law school
        application?

     Be as honest as possible.  Explain why you want to go to law school
     and what you have to offer the legal profession and the particular law
     school to which you are applying.  Your personal statement is also
     your only opportunity to highlight the many achievements that do not
     fit on your application and to put your shortcomings into perspective.

3.2.3)  How does the LSDAS work?

     The LSDAS collects and standardizes your academic records to make it
     easier for admissions personnel at various law schools to compare you
     with other law school candidates.

3.2.4)  How do I increase my chances of doing well on the LSAT?

     There are many commercial LSAT preparation courses on the market, and
     you should most certainly take one.  The structure that such a course
     imposes upon you will force you to prepare for the LSAT.  Virtually
     all LSAT courses offer good study materials and basic test taking
     strategies.  However, there is no substitute for practicing sample
     LSAT questions under actual test conditions.

3.2.5)  How do I apply for financial aid in law school?

     Every law school is different.  Contact the financial aid office at
     the law school to which you plan to apply for this information.  At
     the very least, you will have to fill out a financial aid application
     and forward Financial Aid Transcripts (FATs) from every college you
     have ever attended (whether or not you have ever been on financial aid
     before).

3.2.6)  How do I decide upon which law school to attend if I am admitted to
        more than one? [Rev]

     UC Berkeley (Boalt; <gopher://law164.law.berkeley.edu:70/1>) is the
     undisputed number one choice of the four UC law schools among law
     school applicants with UCLA (<http://www.law.ucla.edu/>) a strong
     second; some people prefer to attend UC Hastings College of the Law
     (<http://www.uchastings.edu/>), because of its strong emphasis on
     business.  While King Hall stands in the shadow of its three older and
     more established sister law schools, the only U.C. law school to give
     King Hall a run for its money, IMHO, is Boalt Hall, primarily because
     Boalt Hall has such a high national ranking and thus attracts a highly
     distinguished faculty (some of which it occasionally borrows from King
     Hall).  UCLA has very good name recognition, and is an excellent
     choice if you intend to remain in the Southern California area.
     Because of its local name recognition and downtown San Francisco
     location, Hastings is a good choice for those who intend to work in
     the San Francisco Bay area.
          I could brag about the King Hall tradition of having the number
     one bar passage rate, the commitment of King Hall alumni/alumnae to
     public interest law, or the distinguished faculty and outstanding
     clinical programs that King Hall has to offer, but if you are having
     trouble making up your mind between King Hall and another UC law
     school, I suggest that you visit King Hall and see for yourself what
     my alma mater has to offer.  You can contact Sharon L. Pinkney
     (<mailto:[email]>) at the King Hall Admissions Office at
     (916)752-6477 to arrange a visit.  She can arrange for you to spend
     the day with a current law student and attend some actual classes.
     You will then be able to make an informed choice.
          Outside of the UC system, it is hard to beat King Hall.  If I
     were you, I would not give serious consideration to another law school
     over King Hall unless it places within the top 10 law schools found in
     the U.S. News and World Report rankings.  I applied to Harvard, Yale,
     and Columbia as well as all the UC law schools just in case I did not
     get admitted to King Hall, but I had made my choice to attend King
     Hall long before I sent out any of my law school applications (or
     received any of my inevitable rejection letters).

3.3)  How do I apply for admission to King Hall?

     Contact Sharon Pinkney (<mailto:[email]>) at the King
     Hall Admissions Office (916)752-6477 for this information; readers
     with a web browser may visit the King Hall Admissions Web Page on the
     World Wide Web (<http://kinghall.ucdavis.edu/pages/admiss.htm>).

3.4)  How do I apply for financial aid at King Hall? [Rev]

     Contact Lu Bastian (<mailto:[email]>), the Director of
     Financial Aid at King Hall, at (916)752-6573 for this information;
     readers with a web browser may visit the King Hall Financial Aid Web
     Page(s), which were still under construction as of post time:

          <http://kinghall.ucdavis.edu/pages/financ.htm>

          <http://faoman.ucdavis.edu/wip.htm>

          If I were to pick one reason why I chose to attend King Hall
     rather than some other law school, it would have to be the Financial
     Aid Department.  I cannot speak to the horror stories that I have
     heard about financial aid at other schools because Lu Bastian is a
     saint.  The members of her support staff, currently one Cyndie Alvarez
     Necoechea (<mailto:[email]>), have always been of similar
     character.  They have protected me from the harsh realities of the
     real world of financial aid.
          I had never been on financial aid before I attended King Hall,
     and I found the financial aid process at most law schools to be
     unnecessarily intrusive, degrading, problematic, and bureaucratic.
     The only place that I encountered any problems of my own making was at
     King Hall, yet the financial aid process at King Hall was by far the
     smoothest one (so smooth that I stopped entertaining any serious
     thoughts that I may have had of attending any other law school).  I
     cannot emphasize how important it is to listen to what Lu Bastian and
     her staff tell you to do.  When it comes to matters of financial aid,
     their word should be heeded as though it were gospel.  They will do
     their level best to pull your fat out of the fire, but they can't
     always do so.  And if they can't help you, no one else can.

3.5)  Where can I get more information about law school?

     Law School Services sponsors a number of Law School forums in
     different areas of the country to which virtually all law schools send
     a representative.  Contact Law Services for more information (see
     Section 3 for information on how to reach Law Services).  The
     bit.listserv.lawsch-l USENET newsgroup (<news:bit.listserv.lawsch-l>)
     also provides a forum for the discussion of issues related to law
     school.

3.6)  What sort of educational programs do law schools offer?

     Most law schools offer a Juris Doctor (JD) program.  This is usually a
     three year program that begins after you receive a four year
     undergraduate degree.  Some law schools also offer the JD program
     spread out over four years (for instance, in a night school program).
     A few people continue their legal education after they have received a
     JD (for instance, in an LLM program), but this is extremely rare.  A
     JD is typically a terminal degree.
          There are 176 law schools accredited by the American Bar
     Association (ABA).  These law schools are much more prestigious than
     schools that have some other form of accreditation, and most people
     think that ABA accredited law schools are much better than other law
     schools.  This is generally true, and if you have the option, you
     should attend an ABA accredited law school.  However, not everyone can
     attend an ABA accredited law school, and many fine law schools do not
     receive ABA accreditation.  For that matter, many fine lawyers never
     even attend law school.  Check with the bar association in the
     jurisdiction in which you intend to practice to find out about other
     options for studying the law.

3.7)  Can I transfer to King Hall from another law school?

     Yes, and in recent years, an increasingly large number of students
     have done so.  During my first year as a law student in 1992-93,
     approximately five students transferred to King Hall with advanced
     standing in the Two L class that was one year ahead of me.  The year
     after I graduated (1995-96), approximately *thirty-five* students
     transferred into the Two L class.  While some of these tranfer
     students come from law schools that do not enjoy as good a reputation
     as King Hall or are not as affordable as King Hall, a surprisingly
     larger number of these students come from law schools that are neck
     and neck with King Hall in terms of both reputation and price.
          King Hall transfer students tend to be exceptionally good law
     students, before and after they transfer to King Hall.  Moreover, the
     King Hall transfer students whom I knew seemed to experience a form of
     stress relief after they transferred to King Hall.  That is, a sense
     of euphoria overtook them as they settled into the law school culture
     at King Hall, and they found their King Hall experience more enjoyable
     and rewarding than their experiences at the law schools from which
     they transferred.
          I would normally take these glowing reviews of King Hall with a
     grain of salt.  It's possible that King Hall is a Shangri-la, but it's
     also possible that the first year of law school just plain sucks for
     most everyone.  Thus, no matter where someone attends his or her first
     year of law school, when he or she transfers to another school, things
     might seem much better than they really are.  At the same time, I have
     not heard picturesque accounts of other law schools from people who
     have transferred to those other law schools from King Hall, so I am
     inclined to accept the notion that King Hall transfer students are
     somewhat unique in their affection for King Hall.
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              The King Hall Law School USENET FAQ Part 2 of 9
             Frequently Asked Questions at and about King Hall
                            (c) Copyright 1995

                                    by

                           David F. Prenatt, Jr.
                          King Hall, 1995 Alumnus
                         U.C. Davis School of Law
                         University of California
                           Davis, CA 95616-5210

                       <mailto:[email]>

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             Frequently Asked Questions at and about King Hall
                            (c) Copyright 1995

                                    by

                           David F. Prenatt, Jr.
                          King Hall, 1995 Alumnus
                         U.C. Davis School of Law
                         University of California
                           Davis, CA 95616-5210

                      <mailto:[email]>

The King Hall Law School USENET FAQ (King Hall USENET FAQ) may be comprised
of more than one part.  If it is, please see the TABLE OF CONTENTS in Part
One for a complete list of the questions that have attempted to answer and
for other important legal information.  Caveat emptor:  I assume no
obligation for anyone through the publication of the King Hall USENET FAQ.
Furthermore, all versions of the King Hall USENET FAQ are my personal
property and are protected by applicable copyright laws.  All rights are
reserved except as follows:  I hereby give my permission to anyone who has
access to this version of the King Hall USENET FAQ to reproduce the
information contained herein for non-profit purposes, provided that proper
credit is given to me as the author of this FAQ and that I am promptly
notified of any use other than personal use.  I may revoke permission to
reproduce any version of this FAQ at any time.

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4.3)  THE THIRD YEAR OF LAW SCHOOL AT KING HALL.

4.3.1)  Why is there a third year of law school?

     Apparently, to make sure that your second year is not your last year.
     The first year they scare you to death; the second year they work you
     to death; and the third year, they bore you to death.  Keep this in
     mind when planning your course schedule.

4.3.2)  What does one do during the third year of law school?

     Different people do different things, but most of the time the third
     year of law school is simply a recapitulation of the second year.  The
     changing of the guard is effected on Law Review and Moot Court as new
     boards are elected to these programs.  Your third year is also a good
     time to do a clinical.

4.4)  LAW STUDENT ORGANIZATIONS.

     [Note:  I have specifically decided against including a list and
     description of the various law student organizations at King Hall.
     You will find such a list and description in the application pamphlet
     that is sent out to prospective law school applicants; readers with a
     web browser may visit the King Hall Student Organizations Web Page on
     the World Wide Web (<http://kinghall.ucdavis.edu/stuorg.htm>).  [This
     navigational link did not work the last time that I checked it.]
          Virtually all of the law student organizations at King Hall are
     chartered through the University and funded primarily through the Law
     Student Association (LSA) and bake sales.  Each organization defines
     its own purpose, and as each law student organization has an open
     membership, each organization is best defined by those students who
     choose to become its members.  One student organization that purported
     to represent a particular ethnic/cultural group held a vote wherein
     two of its members voted to exclude students who were not members of
     that particular ethnic/cultural group.  A big controversy erupted when
     the names of the two members so voting were published on the King Hall
     dayboard by one of the members who would have been excluded had the
     vote carried.
          During my tenure as a law student at King Hall, I belonged to a
     number of student organizations that I thought were worthwhile, and I
     served as the Vice President of the Federalist Society.  I also
     patronized all of the fund raising activities and social events that
     interested me without regard for which student organizations were
     hosting or sponsoring it.  As a general rule, I think it is foolish to
     boycott an unpopular organization.

4.5)  SERVICES AVAILABLE TO KING HALL STUDENTS.

4.5.1)  SERVICES AVAILABLE TO LAW STUDENTS THROUGH KING HALL.

4.5.1.1)  LIBRARY SERVICES AT KING HALL.

     Readers with a web browser may visit the King Hall Law Library Home
     Page on the World Wide Web:

          <http://kinghall.ucdavis.edu/pages/lawlib.htm>

4.5.1.1.1)  What library services are available to law students at King
            Hall?

     All King Hall students, faculty, and staff are issued a key to the
     building and have access to the law library (other than the reserve
     section) 24 hours a day.  Most books may be checked out to your study
     carrel, which you share with other students until your third year of
     law school.  In addition, the law library catalog is available by
     telnet at innopac.ucdavis.edu (<telnet:innopac.ucdavis.edu>; account
     and password=guest).  Check with the Law School Library Reference Desk
     at (916)752-3327 for more information on the various library services
     available to King Hall students.

4.5.1.1.2)  What should I do if I encounter trespassers after hours in the
            library at King Hall?

     You have many options to deal with trespassers at King Hall, but you
     are not obliged to do anything about them.  U.C. Davis is a public
     university, and members of the general public have a right to use the
     facilities at the law school to study or do legal research.  However,
     if someone doesn't have a key to King Hall, they don't have a right to
     be in the building after the law library closes.
          The official policy of the law school is that no one without a
     key to the building is allowed to be in King Hall after the law
     library closes, but this policy is not strictly enforced.  I always
     treated trespassers as "uninvited guests" and tolerated them unless
     they did something that bothered me.  However, if you want trespassers
     to leave, you don't need to give any justification.  Simply place a
     call to the campus police, and the campus police will get rid of the
     trespassers very quickly.

4.5.1.2)  Financial Aid. [Rev]

     For information about Financial Aid, contact the King Hall Financial
     Aid Director Lu Bastian  (<mailto:[email]>) in person or
     at (916)752-6573.  She and her staff, currently one Cyndie Alvarez
     Necoechea (<mailto:[email]>), have my unequivocal
     endorsement.
          Readers with a web browser may visit the Law School Financial Aid
     Home Page(s) on the World Wide Web, which were still under
     construction as of post time:

          <http://faoman.ucdavis.edu/wip.htm>

          <http://kinghall.ucdavis.edu/pages/financ.htm>

4.5.1.3)  Career Services.

     For information about Career Services, contact the King Hall Career
     Sevices Director Jane Thomson (<mailto:[email]>) at
     (916)752-6574.

4.5.1.4)  The Perfect Tender Infant Care Co-op.

     Student volunteers, some of them parents themselves, staff the Perfect
     Tender Infant Care Co-op, which cares for the infants (under one year)
     of law students.

4.5.1.5)  Computer Services at King Hall.

     For information about Computer Services at King Hall, contact Computer
     Specialist Steve Langford (<mailto:[email]>) at
     (916)752-SLOW.  While no one has all the answers, Steve has more
     answers about computers than most people do, and if he doesn't have
     immediate answers to your computer questions, he will usually be able
     to refer you to someone else who does.  See Section 11.2 for more
     information about computer services at King Hall.

4.5.1.6)  Food at King Hall.

     Between 9am and Noon during most school days, you stand about a 50/50
     chance of encountering a bake sale downstairs.  Similarly on school
     days, you stand about a 1 in 5 chance that some organization is
     offering free food to encourage attendance at one of its meetings.  If
     all else fails, there are several vending machines on the bottom floor
     of the law school.  Of course you can always brave the elements and
     take a five minute walk to the Silo or the Coffee House.  See Section
     5.1 for more information on food services on the U.C. Davis campus.

4.5.2)  SERVICES AVAILABLE TO LAW STUDENTS THROUGH U.C. DAVIS.

     See the U.C. Davis USENET FAQ for information about services available
     to law students through U.C. Davis (see Section 1.5 for information on
     how to obtain the U.C. Davis USENET FAQ).

4.6)  OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST TO KING HALL STUDENTS.

4.6.1)  SPECIAL EVENTS AT KING HALL. [Rev]

     Special events are constantly occurring at King Hall.  The list below
     is far from exhaustive.

          *    The One L Welcome BBQ (Sunday before Intro Week).

          *    The Intro Week LSA Kegger (Friday evening after Intro Week).

          *    The Phi Delta Phi Big Sib/Li'l Sib Mixer.

          *    Cardozarama:  The King Hall Talent Show.
               Thursday, February 29 through Saturday March 2, 1996

          *    Over the Hump:  The King Hall "Senior Prom" (and no, you
               don't need a date--why bring sand to the beach?).
               TO BE ANNOUNCED.

          *    The King Hall Legal Foundation (KHLF) Spring Auction:  To
               benefit public interest law.
               Davis Veteran Memorial Center
               6-10pm Friday March 15, 1996

          *    The Lorenzo Patino Banquet.
               Veteran's Memorial Center, 203 E. 14th St
               Friday April 12, 1996

          *    Various awards ceremonies.

4.6.2)  INFORMATION ON KING HALL STUDENTS, FACULTY, STAFF, AND ALUMNI.

4.6.2.1)  The King Hall Counselor.

     King Hall publishes the King Hall Counselor for the UC Davis Alumni
     Association which reports news and information about King Hall, its
     faculty, students, and alumni/alumnae.  Contact Amy M. Helsel Director
     of Development, Alumni and Public Relations, for more information at
     (916)752-6679 or e-mail the King Hall Alumni Association
     (<mailto:[email]>).

4.6.2.2)  The UC Davis Annual Fund/STUDENTS FIRST Campaign. [Rev]

     The two year STUDENTS FIRST Campaign, which is still in progress, will
     fund student scholarships and endowments for public interest law and
     trial and appellate advocacy.  A $75,000 gift by Kronick, Moskovitz,
     Tiedemann & Girard of Sacramento provides for scholarships to King
     Hall students and is accompanied by a commitment to provide employment
     opportunities for scholarship recipients.  Philip G. Satre, King Hall
     Class of 1975, and his wife Jennifer Satre gave a record breaking
     $125,000 gift and committed themselves to an additional gift of
     $125,000 with a challenge to match their original gift of $125,000.
          Contact Dean Bruce Wolk (<mailto:[email]>) at
     (916)752-0243 or Amy M. Helsel (<mailto:[email]>) at
     (916)752-6679 for more information about the STUDENTS FIRST Campaign.

4.6.2.3)  King Hall Faculty on the World Wide Web.

     For information on King Hall faculty, readers with a web browser may
     visit the King Hall Faculty Web Page on the World Wide Web:

          <http://kinghall.ucdavis.edu/pages/faculty.htm>

4.6.2.4)  King Hall Law Students on the World Wide Web. [Rev]

     A number of King Hall students maintain Home Pages on the World Wide
     Web:

          *    Haeji Hong (<mailto:[email]>), Class of
               1998, maintains a Home Page on the World Wide Web with links
               to outlines of first year courses and other useful
               information (<http://sunset.bph.jhu.edu/~haeji>).

          *    Lynn Loschin (<mailto:[email]>), Class of 1997,
               also maintains a Home Page on the World Wide Web with links
               to all sorts of items, some of which are even law-related
               (<http://www.microserve.com/PlanetX/lloschin.html>).

4.6.3)  LAW SCHOOL STUDENT PUBLICATIONS.

     There are several official law school publications run by King Hall
     students:

          *    Environs.

          *    The King Hall Advocate:  The current editor of this always
               controversial publication is Jeffrey Kravitz, King Hall
               Class of 1996 (<mailto:[email]>).  Free one
               year subscriptions are currently available for King Hall
               alumni/alumnae.

          *    The U.C. Davis Journal of International Law and Policy:
               This brand new journal is still in its infancy and is
               actively soliciting sponsors and donations.  Subscriptions
               are $18 for two issues.

          *    The U.C. Davis Law Review:  Subscriptions to the U.C. Davis
               Law Review are $30 for four issues.  Contact Alice Trujillo
               (<mailto:[email]>) for more information at
               (916)752-2551; FAX (916)752-4704.

4.6.4)  THE ORDER OF THE COIF.

     The Order of the Coif is an honor society whose membership is
     comprised of those law students who graduate in the top 10% of their
     class.  To qualify for membership in the Order of the Coif at King
     Hall, law students must complete a 75% of their units in graded
     coursework.

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                         U.C. Davis School of Law
                         University of California
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             Frequently Asked Questions at and about King Hall
                            (c) Copyright 1995

                                    by

                           David F. Prenatt, Jr.
                          King Hall, 1995 Alumnus
                         U.C. Davis School of Law
                         University of California
                           Davis, CA 95616-5210

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10)  LIFE AFTER KING HALL.

     Hard on the heels of the King Hall graduation ceremony is the
     beginning of the various bar review courses.  But before that time,
     students usually make preparations for admission to the California
     State Bar or other post-graduation plans.

10.1)  ADMISSION TO THE CALIFORNIA STATE BAR.

     Admission to the California State Bar for King Hall graduates requires
     a positive moral character evaluation from the California Committee of
     Bar Examiners, a passing grade on the Multistate Professional
     Responsibility Exam (MPRE), and a passing grade on the California Bar
     Exam.

10.1.1)  THE CALIFORNIA BAR EXAM. [Rev]

     The California Bar Exam (Bar Exam) is a three day exam that takes
     place every year during July on the last Tuesday, Wednesday, and
     Thursday of that month; similarly the February exam takes place on the
     last Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday of that month.  The first and
     third days of the Bar Exam are comprised of three essay exams each
     morning, and a "performance test" each afternoon; the second day of
     the Bar Exam is comprised entirely of the multiple choice Multistate
     Bar Examination (MBE).  The MBE is the key to passing the Bar Exam.
     The scores on essays and performance tests change in the multi-phase
     grading process, and are only predictable in that they gravitate
     towards the mean, regardless of the quality of the individual essays
     and performance tests.  In striking contrast, the answers to each MBE
     question are either right or wrong, and you will receive full credit
     for a correct answer or no credit at all for an incorrect answer
     (notwithstanding "scaling").
          More often than not, a good MBE score will make up for mediocre
     performances on Bar Exam essay questions and performance tests, and a
     mediocre MBE score will prevent otherwise qualified students from
     passing the Bar Exam; many bar applicants do not even complete the
     MBE.  MBE questions tend to focus on obscure rules of law that mislead
     even the best and brightest law students.  There are 200 of these
     multiple choice questions on the first and third days of the exam that
     must be answered in six hours (100 questions in each of the three hour
     morning sessions and 100 questions in each of the three hour afternoon
     sessions for a total of 400 questions).  These questions are drawn
     from six subjects:  Contracts, Torts, Criminal Law & Procedure,
     Evidence, Real Property, and Constitutional Law.  At the present time,
     the number of questions drawn from each subject varies.  However, the
     number of questions from each subject will be equalized by 1997.

10.1.1.1)  Qualifying for the Bar Exam.

     Graduates of King Hall are qualified to take the Bar Exam based on
     their graduation from King Hall, an ABA approved law school.

10.1.1.2)  Submitting an Application to Take the Bar Exam.

     You must submit an application towards the end of your last semester
     of law school to take the Bar Exam.  The application is very easy to
     complete, but there is a very small window for when you can apply.
     Obtain a passport photo well in advance and keep it on hand.

10.1.1.3)  Preparing for the Bar Exam. [Rev]

     Preparing for the Bar Exam is much like taking another semester of law
     school, only you have tests every single day.  While you should attend
     your substantive lectures, the best way to prepare for taking a test
     is to take practice tests.  Thus, you should review essay questions
     from previous Bar Exams and practice MBE questions until they are
     coming out of your ears.
          The following characteristic similarities and differences occur
     in the six MBE subjects:

          *    Evidence and Torts required a holistic approach to the law
               (i.e., these subjects test your comprehensive knowledge of
               the underlying legal principles and policies addressed by
               the subject matter);

          *    Contracts, Criminal Law & Procedure, and Real Property
               required a fact specific approach to the law (i.e., these
               subjects test your in-depth knowledge of case law as opposed
               to your general knowledge of the legal principles and
               policies addressed by the subject matter);

          *    Constitutional Law required a context-based approach to the
               law (i.e., this subject tests your knowledge of legal
               principles and policies as well as your in-depth knowledge
               of case law, but more than anything this subject calls upon
               your ability to make hard judgement calls by empathizing
               with the people who wrote the MBE questions and second-
               guessing their highly subjective interpretation of the law).

     Your strengths and weaknesses in each MBE subject will become apparent
     as you practice MBE questions.  Plan your studies accordingly.
          Contrary to popular belief, your law school alma mater and class
     standing have no statistical significance as to whether you will pass
     the Bar Exam.  Because of the importance given to the MBE, your
     ability to pass the Bar Exam was determined by the time you applied to
     law school (i.e., it depends primarily upon your ability to perform
     well on standardized tests such as the LSAT).  The good news is that
     you can acquire this ability through rigorous study if you do not come
     by it naturally, provided that you are properly motivated; a number of
     students supplement their commercial bar preparation courses with the
     Professional Multistate Bar Review (PMBR).  Even if you do come by
     testing skills naturally, the substance and format of various MBE
     subjects and questions are sui generis, so even the best test takers
     should practice thousands of MBE questions.
          It's best to think of the MBE as six separate exams merged into
     one.  Questions for each of the six subjects tested are developed by
     separate committees within the National Conference of Bar Examiners in
     association with the American College Testing Service (i.e., there are
     no "crossover questions").  Most of the winning test taking strategies
     are not portable from subject to subject, so focus on those subjects
     that give you the most trouble.  You will probably find that you are
     simply trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

10.1.1.4)  Taking the Bar Exam. [Rev]

     Taking the Bar Exam is nowhere near as bad as most people expect it to
     be.  As one of my colleagues put it, "the Bar Exam tests for minimal
     competency."  Even so, some of the brightest people whom I know have
     had to take the Bar Exam more than once because of overconfidence and
     a lack of proper motivation.
          Contrary to popular belief, your chances of passing the Bar Exam
     actually go up on your second attempt.  If you fail the Bar Exam
     twice, however, you are quite likely to keep failing it over and over
     again (hence, the abysmal passage rate for repeat takers).  Many
     people do not know what to expect from the Bar Exam until they
     actually take it, so they don't know how to prepare for it, mentally
     or emotionally.  The Bar Exam is very passable, however, and there are
     a lot of things that people know to do differently when preparing to
     take it a second time.
          Many capable people do everything that they should do to pass the
     Bar Exam and still fail.  As hard as they may study, some unforeseen
     circumstance occurs.  For example, for those who type or word process
     the Bar Exam, mechanical failure is a very real possibility (one
     person was gone by lunch the first day), and the Committee of Bar
     Examiners does not take responsibility for power outages.  So if you
     type the Bar Exam, bring a second typewriter--a manual typewriter.

10.1.1.5)  Waiting for Your Results from the California Bar Exam. [Rev]

     The worst part about taking the California Bar Exam is waiting for
     your results.  Even if you could be sure that you had passed, your
     career is on hold for several months.  If you already have a job lined
     up, this is not as much of a problem, but at least one person whom I
     know has lost his or her job as an attorney when he or she failed the
     Bar Exam [Hearsay alert:  This may not have been the proximate cause].
          Prepare yourself for a long wait after you take the Bar Exam and
     make plans for what you will do if you do not pass the first time.  If
     you fail the California Bar Exam, your colleagues at King Hall will
     most certainly find out about it.  A small group of unemployed
     individuals who have nothing better to do will cross reference the
     published list of those people who passed the Bar Exam with those
     people who were known to have taken it.  These busybodies will also
     use this information to determine your class ranking and make banal
     resolutions about your scholastic abilities.  If you pass the Bar Exam
     immediately after you graduate or don't even take it, you will simply
     become a face in the crowd.

10.1.1.6)  Post Mortem on the Results of the California Bar Exam. [New]

     For 94.7% of the 1994 King Hall graduates who took the California Bar
     Exam in July of 1994, the waiting and worrying about whether they had
     passed was over in mid-November of that year (an all time record, even
     for King Hall).  For many of my classmates from the subsequent Class
     of 1995, this knowledge gave them an overwhelming sense of confidence
     going into the July 1995 Bar Exam.  Indeed, almost everyone I met in
     the legal community of the greater Sacramento Area assumed that
     everyone from King Hall would automatically pass the Bar Exam.
          I address these comments to those people who are part of the slim
     percentage at King Hall who did not pass the Bar Exam the first time
     that they took it and to all those other Bar Examinees who tried their
     best and failed.  No doubt everyone will assure you that if you did
     well in law school and/or attended King Hall that you will pass the
     Bar Exam the first time that you take it.  Such is not the case.  The
     truth is that if you prepare properly for the Bar Exam, you will
     probably pass no matter where you studied the law; if not the first
     time you take the exam, then the second.  And the most important thing
     to focus on when you are putting forth your best effort is a thought
     that a kindred soul shared with me regarding his attempt at the July
     1995 Exam:  "This is my Bar Exam, no one else's."
          Failing at something as significant as the Bar Exam truly sucks,
     all the more so because it very seldom happens to someone who has
     prepared for it properly.  It also comes as quite a surprise to those
     people who have every reason to be confident in themselves and in
     their abilities, erroneously believing that they have done what they
     needed to do to prepare.  It comes as an even bigger surprise to their
     friends and family.  There are many good explanations that are offered
     for why capable people fail the Bar Exam, but there really is no such
     thing as a good excuse.  At the same time, you don't need an
     explanation or an excuse.  You simply need to take the Bar Exam until
     you pass.

10.1.1.7)  Information for Unsuccessful Applicants. [New]

     For those Bar Examinees who do not appear on the published pass list,
     the Commmittee of Bar Examiners sends out a notice and encloses a
     brochure entitled, "Information for Unsuccessful Applicants."  This
     notice includes information that should help you figure out why you
     did not pass the Bar Exam.  If you passed the Bar Exam, of course,
     this information is somewhat unimportant.  But for "Unsuccessful
     Applicants," this information takes on great significance.
          To add insult to injury, the Committee of Bar Examiners made an
     error in the formula that it disclosed for the computation of written
     exam scores on the July 1995 Bar Examination.  Using the formula that
     was published in the "Information for Unsuccessful Applicants," many
     people who might have obtained an automatic reappraisal of their exam
     results after the "Phase II" reread and/or passed the exam did not
     pass.  At the time of the December 1995 publication of this FAQ, the
     Committee was aware of the problem and stated that it was a simple
     typographical error in the published formula.
          The Committee of Bar Examiners specifically will *NOT* entertain
     petitions for reconsideration based on its grading system or the
     judgment of its professional graders.  However, it *WILL* entertain
     requests for reconsideration based on clerical errors that resulted in
     failure or prevented the automatic reappraisal of a Bar Exam.  Of
     course, this is no guarantee of a favorable turn of events, but it
     does give examinees who should have passed the Bar Exam an opportunity
     for a reread.  Accordingly, if you receive a notice that you failed
     the Bar Exam, you should obtain copies (as opposed to the originals)
     of your written tests and look for arithmetic and/or clerical errors.

10.1.2)  THE MULTISTATE PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY EXAM (MPRE).

     The MPRE is a multiple choice exam, and the course offered at King
     Hall in Professional Responsibility (PR) should cover the substance of
     the MPRE.  The King Hall PR course (as opposed to the MPRE) is a
     requirement for graduation.  It is usually a good idea to take both
     the King Hall PR course and the MPRE at about the same time so that
     you can use the PR course to help you prepare for the MPRE.

10.1.2.1)  Submitting an Application for the MPRE.

     Submit your application on time.  There are very stiff fees for late
     applications.

10.1.2.2)  Preparing for the MPRE.

     If you spend more than 40 hours preparing for the MPRE, you will be
     overprepared.  Review your materials for the King Hall PR course,
     watch a taped lecture offered by one of the many commercial bar review
     courses, and practice multiple choice questions for the MPRE.

10.1.2.3)  Taking the MPRE.

     The MPRE is just like any other standardized multiple choice exam, and
     a mediocre performance is still a passing grade.  If you don't pass
     the MPRE the first time, you can take it over again as many times as
     you like and no one will ever be the wiser.

10.1.3)  THE MORAL CHARACTER EVALUATION.

     The Moral Character Evaluation is probably the most invasive
     experience you will probably ever have (barring an application for a
     top secret security clearance), but very little will prevent you from
     becoming a member of the California Bar, certainly nothing of which
     you are unaware.  If you are behind in child support or alimony, you
     cannot qualify, but most other people without felony criminal records
     do qualify.  Just make sure that you fully disclose all of the
     blemishes and warts that may appear on your record.
          Completing the Moral Character Evaluation Application is quite a
     chore.  You must obtain accurate information about things for which
     you probably don't maintain any records.  Moreover, you must get your
     fingerprints taken by a law enforcement official.  Contact Community
     Service Officer Christian Sandvig (<mailto:[email]>)
     of the Davis Police Department at (916)756-3740 for information on how
     and when to have your fingerprints taken.

10.2)  EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES AFTER LAW SCHOOL.

     The nice thing about being an attorney is that you can always find
     work.  However, you can't always find a job with a law firm, or a job
     that you want, or a job that pays you what you are worth.  In many
     instances, an attorney must work for him or herself.  Don't be afraid
     to do contract work, contact your local bar association for referral
     business, or seek employment outside of the legal profession.

10.3)  LIFE AS AN ATTORNEY.

     Lawyers are hated and feared by most people because lawyers are most
     commonly associated with legal problems like divorce, personal injury,
     and criminal prosecution.  Indeed, this is how most people first
     encounter lawyers.  But most lawyers have nothing to do with divorce,
     personal injury, or the administration of criminal justice.  They work
     for very rich people who pay very well for legal advice on wills,
     contracts, and other legal instruments that prevent people from ever
     having to appear in court.
          When a good lawyer does his or her job well and gets paid for it,
     it's simply not newsworthy.  Many lawyers are thus quietly transformed
     from being starving students to being upper middle class
     professionals.  Many people make more money after they graduate from
     law school than they or anyone else in their families have ever made
     in their entire lives.  I often hear stories about the disappearing
     middle class (i.e., the rich get richer and the poor get poorer).
     Higher education explains this statistical anomaly because of its
     resulting "leapfrog effect" on personal income, particularly with
     professional programs like law school.
          Along with the money, law school graduates obtain tremendously
     enhanced personal prestige because they command respect in their
     business and personal dealings with people who are unfamiliar with the
     law.  Having a law degree, however, does not necessarily make you a
     better person.  In some instances, it does exactly the opposite.  But
     that's a topic that is well beyond the scope of this FAQ.

11)  FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT COMPUTERS AND LIFE ON THE INTERNET
     FROM MEMBERS OF THE KING HALL COMMUNITY.

     The best places to obtain information about computers and life on the
     Internet at King Hall are from Computer Specialist Steve Langford
     (<mailto:[email]>) at (916)752-SLOW, Information
     Technology--Campus Access Point (IT-CAP <mailto:[email]>)
     at (916)752-2548, or from the USENET newsgroup ucd.comp.questions
     (<news:ucd.comp.questions>); readers with a web browser may visit the
     Network Administrator Resources FAQ Page on the World Wide Web
     (<http://tsp.ucdavis.edu/nar/NAR-FAQS.html>).  If you want to speak to
     an IT-CAP consultant, you should be prepared to furnish him or her
     with your login id and identification number.

11.1)  BASIC QUESTIONS ABOUT COMPUTERS.

11.1.1)  Why should I use a computer?

     It is easier and faster to accomplish many tasks by using a computer.

11.1.1.1)  Do I really need to use a computer?

     No.  You don't need to use a computer, but many tasks are very
     difficult or even impossible to accomplish without a computer.  You
     will also find that a modicum of computer literacy is required of all
     members of the King Hall community.

11.1.1.2)  Isn't it difficult to learn how to use a computer?

     No.  Learning to use a computer is very easy, but this is a very well
     kept secret.  People who are familiar with computers are very
     intimidating to people who do not know how to use computers.

11.1.1.3)  How can I get the computer training that I need?

     Admit your ignorance, both to yourself and to the people who offer you
     help.  Teaching people how to use computers is extremely difficult,
     but it doesn't have to be that way.  Many people erroneously assume
     that they understand how computers work, and this makes teaching these
     people extremely difficult.  Of course, people who know what they are
     doing may not be able to communicate with you or they may not be
     interested in helping you.  Avoid these people.

11.1.1.4)  What practical uses would I have for a computer as a law
           student?

     Most law students find that using a computer for word processing is
     much easier than typing a paper.  Moreover, most law firms use
     WordPerfect and demand that their associates be familiar with
     WordPerfect.  While word processing is not the only application for
     computers, it is easily the most common and most popular (second only
     to computer games).  Once you become familiar with word processing,
     however, you may want to stop by a store that sells software and do
     some window shopping.

11.1.2)  Do I need my own computer?

     No.  Computers are as ubiquitous as telephones.  The only reason you
     would want to have your own computer is for convenience, much like
     owning a cellular phone.

11.1.2.1)  What kind of computer should I buy?

     You should buy a computer with the features that you want at a price
     you can afford.  If you are reading this FAQ for a recommendation,
     then you probably want either a Macintosh(r) or an IBM/IBM Clone (PC).

11.1.2.1.1)  What is the difference between a Macintosh(r) and an IBM/IBM
             Clone (PC)?

     Macintosh(r) computers are much higher quality technology than PCs.
     However, PCs are the standard for computer technology and they are
     much more affordable than Macintoshes(r).  Thus, if you are on a
     limited budget, you probably want a PC, especially because whatever
     you do buy will be obsolete before you buy it.

11.1.2.1.2)  What is an IBM/IBM Clone (PC)?

     IBM assembles its computers from technology that is available on the
     open market and sets the standard for other computer companies (at
     least it once did).  Many companies build IBM clones (properly
     referred to as PCs) with technology that meets or exceeds the
     standards that IBM sets.

11.1.2.2)  What kind of features should I have on a computer?

     There is no easy answer to this question, but as a general rule avoid
     all the bells and whistles and buy only proven technology.  New
     technology is inherently unreliable because many bugs are found only
     after a product has been released.  Members of the King Hall community
     have access to a variety of computers through facilities supported by
     IT-CAP (<mailto:[email]>), so find out for yourself what
     features are the most useful and reliable.

11.1.2.3)  What kind of accessories should I get on my computer?

     It depends upon what type of applications you are using.  If you are
     reading this FAQ for a recommendation, then you probably only need a
     printer and/or modem (if that); you can probably get by without either
     one.

- - - - -

End of document:

              The King Hall Law School USENET FAQ Part 8 of 9
             Frequently Asked Questions at and about King Hall
                            (c) Copyright 1995

                                    by

                           David F. Prenatt, Jr.
                          King Hall, 1995 Alumnus
                         U.C. Davis School of Law
                         University of California
                           Davis, CA 95616-5210

                      <mailto:[email]>

Next document:

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       king-hall-faq/part9/faq.html>

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author: David Ritz

subject: Re: Russian site to "update" the life universe and everything!!

text:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Tuesday, 31 May 2011 15:55 -0500, in article <is3kkp$p0g$[email]>, bar0 <[email]> wrote:

$ dig \*.adobe-update-center.com

; <<>> DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2 <<>> *.adobe-update-center.com
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 33051
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;*.adobe-update-center.com. IN  A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
*.adobe-update-center.com. 86376 IN A   122.224.4.113

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
adobe-update-center.com. 172776 IN  NS  ns2.adobe-update-center.com.
adobe-update-center.com. 172776 IN  NS  ns1.adobe-update-center.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns1.adobe-update-center.com. 86394 IN   A   122.224.4.113
ns2.adobe-update-center.com. 86395 IN   A   122.224.4.113

;; Query time: 0 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
;; WHEN: Tue May 31 20:24:35 2011
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 127

$ uri adobe-update-center.com;sbl \*.adobe-update-center.com
adobe-update-center.com.dbl.spamhaus.org descriptive text
    "http://www.spamhaus.org/query/dbl?domain=adobe-update-center.com"
adobe-update-center.com.multi.uribl.com descriptive text
    "Blacklisted, see
    http://lookup.uribl.com/?domain=adobe-update-center.com"
adobe-update-center.com.multi.surbl.org descriptive text "Blocked,
    adobe-update-center.com on lists [jp][ph][ws], See:
    http://www.surbl.org/lists.html"
122.224.4.113 *.adobe-update-center.com : sbl.spamhaus.org : BLOCKED
    (127.0.0.2)
    http://www.spamhaus.org/SBL/sbl.lasso?query=SBL108200
    http://www.spamhaus.org/SBL/sbl.lasso?query=SBL110502

   References in http://adobe-update-center.com/

    1. http://adobe-update-center.com/download.asp
    2. http://adobe-update-center.com/download.asp
    3. http://adobe-update-center.com/download.asp
    4. http://adobe-update-center.com/download.asp

$ wget --no-check-certificate http://adobe-update-center.com/download.asp ; date -u
- --2011-05-31 20:27:28--  http://adobe-update-center.com/download.asp
Resolving adobe-update-center.com (adobe-update-center.com)... 122.224.4.113
Connecting to adobe-update-center.com (adobe-update-center.com)|122.224.4.113|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
Location: https://secureonlineweb.su/hop/forward.aspx?siteid=5903&aff=13340&camp=adobe [following]
- --2011-05-31 20:27:28--  https://secureonlineweb.su/hop/forward.aspx?siteid=5903&aff=13340&camp=adobe
Resolving secureonlineweb.su (secureonlineweb.su)... 84.22.98.27
Connecting to secureonlineweb.su (secureonlineweb.su)|84.22.98.27|:443... connected.
WARNING: cannot verify secureonlineweb.su's certificate, issued by `/C=US/O=GeoTrust, Inc./CN=RapidSSL CA':
  Unable to locally verify the issuer's authority.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
Location: http://secureonlineweb.su/p06/?siteid=5903 [following]
- --2011-05-31 20:27:29--  http://secureonlineweb.su/p06/?siteid=5903
Connecting to secureonlineweb.su (secureonlineweb.su)|84.22.98.27|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
Location: /p06/(S(qoue4a55zroiksutbsmjunez))/Default.aspx?siteid=5903 [following]
- --2011-05-31 20:27:29--  http://secureonlineweb.su/p06/(S(qoue4a55zroiksutbsmjunez))/Default.aspx?siteid=5903
Reusing existing connection to secureonlineweb.su:80.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error
2011-05-31 20:27:30 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.

Wed Jun  1 01:27:30 UTC 2011

secureonlineweb.su.dbl.spamhaus.org descriptive text
    "http://www.spamhaus.org/query/dbl?domain=secureonlineweb.su"
secureonlineweb.su.multi.surbl.org descriptive text "Blocked,
    secureonlineweb.su on lists [ph][ws], See:
    http://www.surbl.org/lists.html"
84.22.98.27 secureonlineweb.su : sbl.spamhaus.org : BLOCKED
    (127.0.0.2)
    http://www.spamhaus.org/SBL/sbl.lasso?query=SBL99430
Wed Jun  1 01:27:51 UTC 2011

As Lynx doesn't support SSL, I wasn't able to locate any malware.

- --
David Ritz <[email]>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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author: Kelly Chien

text:
On May 31, 9:38 pm, David Ritz <[email]> wrote:

<snip>

In those cases i use the view-source option of mozilla-esque browsers
likea so:

view-source://https://url..........

All it does is fetch the source and show it to you in a text box.
Absolutely no parsing occurs whatsoever. In fact, since i normally
have a browser open but not always a shell i use this for http sites
as well.


text:
On May 31, 10:59 pm, Susan <[email]> wrote:

No sentient being has ever denied that, nor have i either.

- T


text:
On May 31, 11:46 pm, David Ritz <[email]> wrote:

Sorry 'bout that. Works just fine in SeaMonkey/Netscape. In fact, in
those you can use view-source://URL in place of http://URL


author: Susan

text:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 19:55:38 -0700 (PDT), Kelly Chien
<[email]> wrote:

You're clearly a weirdo.


text:
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Hash: SHA1

On Tuesday, 31 May 2011 19:55 -0700,
 in article <[email]>,
 Kelly Chien <[email]> wrote:

Kelly, I think you mean "view-source:http[...]"  Adding the slash
following the first colon causes naught but failures.

- --
David Ritz <[email]>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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author: Vernon Schryver

text:
Without a qualification such as "the old version of lynx I'm stuck with",
that statement is wrong.  See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_%28web_browser%29#Platforms_and_features

As a test, I just now tried
   lynx -source 'https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=lynx+ssl'
on a FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE system with lynx-2.8.7.1_1,1
It worked fine, albeit with FORCE_SSL_PROMPT:YES in the global
lynx.cfg file.  I can't get FORCE_SSL_PROMPT:YES to work in .lynxrc

I would not trust mozilla's source either via 'view-source:' or control-U
to never parse the HTML.  Some versions of FireFox apparently reconstruct
the control-U source from some sort of parsed version of the HTML.
I know this because I prefer to omit all </p> as well as some redundant
<p> tags (validly according to the W3C verifier as well as the HTML
specification), but control-U in some versions of Firefox without
firebug claim I've included the stuff.  (There are other 'corrections',
but those are the easiest to see in my HTML.)

That's a special case of the general rule that you must always act
as if a chambered round can go off and never rely on the gun's safety.

As the SSL support demonstrates, Lynx is suffering freaping creaturism,
but I think still does not support any 'active content'.

Vernon Schryver    [email]


author: Simon Lyall

subject: [Draft] Sample "control.ctl" and "moderators" files.

text:
[ Please post all followups to news.admin.hierarchies ]

I am in the process of preparing a FAQ on the wide array of hierarchies
available throughout Usenet. As part of this FAQ I am including sample
configuration files to enable Usenet admins to more easily handle
non-standard heirarchies.

Below I have included sample moderators and control.ctl files (for INN)
that I have put togeather from several sources. I would very much
appreciate suggestions and corrections for any of the entries or for new
entries.

Within the control.ctl file some parts are commented out where I am
unsure of the correct entry while others (ie alt.*) no doubt need some
work or contain errors.

Suggestions for further information sources also appreciated and I will
of course acknowledge major (and hopefully most of the minor) contributors
(including those how have already sent me information) within the
credits section of the FAQ.

Thankyou in advance for your time.


author: Marc Roger

subject: Re: [Draft] Sample "control.ctl" and "moderators" files.

text:
On 16 Apr 1996 23:37:36 -0400, in news:<4krb57$[email]>,
Simon Lyall <[email]> wrote in news.admin.technical,news.admin.hierarchies,alt.config,news.software.nntp,news.groups:

I wonder: what if some bozo sends out a zillion forged rmgroups with tale@ in the
From: header ? Can control.ctl protect a site from loosing all its groups overnight ?
I don't think so.

Wouldn't it be better to:

- have all newgroup/rmgroup PGP signed by (a) trusted "hierarchy owner(s)",
  have these messages automatically processed (like nocem/nocemOnSpool with
  PGP-signed cancels)

- have a reference site with all the legal groups in each hierarchies available
  with FTP (uunet has that for the big8; for alt, all hope is lost, but there
  are many other "local" hierarchies out here...)


author: Raphael Quinet

text:
In article <4krb57$[email]>, [email] (Simon Lyall) writes:
[...]
|> Below I have included sample moderators and control.ctl files (for INN)
|> that I have put togeather from several sources. I would very much
|> appreciate suggestions and corrections for any of the entries or for new
|> entries.
|>
|> Within the control.ctl file some parts are commented out where I am
|> unsure of the correct entry while others (ie alt.*) no doubt need some
|> work or contain errors.
[...]
|> ## ALT
|> ##
|> ## alt.* is such a mess that we accept all newgroup creation msgs,
|> ## and only a very few rmgroup's.  It's much less time consuming for the
|> ## news administrators this way, although it is rather perilous.
|> ##
|> newgroup:*:alt.*:doit=newgroup
|>

Indeed, the entry for alt.* needs more work...  The entry above would mean
that alt.* groups could be created freely and would never be removed.  Of
course, different sites have different policies regarding alt.* and this is
often a controversial issue, but I don't think that the example above will
be really useful.

Here is what Bill Hazelrig suggests for alt.* groups:

---------- Excerpt from http://www.tezcat.com/~haz1/alt/notes.html ---------
Add the following lines to your control.ctl:

rmgroup:*:alt.*:mail
rmgroup:haz1@*nwu.edu:alt.*:doit=mail
rmgroup:{identification of other trusted source}:alt.*:doit=mail

You would also be well advised to forgo indiscriminately auto-newgrouping
alt.*, unless you're fond of joke groups appearing on your server.  To do
this, add the following lines to your control.ctl:

newgroup:*:alt.*:mail
newgroup:grobe@*netins.net:alt.*:doit=mail
newgroup:barr@*.psu.edu:alt.*:doit=mail
newgroup:smj@*.oro.net:alt.*:doit=mail
newgroup:davidg@*.netcom.com:alt.*:doit=mail
newgroup:[email]:alt.*:doit=mail
newgroup:haz1@*.nwu.edu:alt.*:doit=mail
newgroup:{identification of other trusted source}:alt.*:doit=mail

More conservative news administrators may prefer even simply:

newgroup:*:alt.*:mail

---------- End of excerpt from http://www.tezcat.com/~haz1/alt/notes.html --

The control.ctl file proposed above includes the addresses of several
"trusted" newgroupers/rmgroupers.  I encourage you to read Bill's comments
in his WWW pages (http://www.tezcat.com/~haz1/alt/faqindex.html) for more
information about that.

Of course, that control.ctl file will cause all newgroup/rmgroup messages
for alt.* groups to be e-mailed to the administrator.  This useful, in
case some control messages are forged.

But some administrators do not want to receive these e-mail notifications
and prefer a more liberal approach for the creation of new alt.* groups.
A good compromise between the example given above and "create all groups
but never remove them" is to use the following entry for alt.* groups:

## ALT
##
## Accept all newgroup's as well as rmgroup's from trusted sources and
## process them silently.  Only the rmgroup messages from unknown sources
## will be e-mailed to the administrator.
##
newgroup:*:alt.*:doit=newgroup
rmgroup:*:alt.*:mail
rmgroup:haz1@*nwu.edu:alt.*:doit=rmgroup
rmgroup:grobe@*netins.net:alt.*:doit=rmgroup
rmgroup:barr@*.psu.edu:alt.*:doit=rmgroup
rmgroup:smj@*.oro.net:alt.*:doit=rmgroup
rmgroup:davidg@*.netcom.com:alt.*:doit=rmgroup
rmgroup:[email]:alt.*:doit=rmgroup

This is what I recommend for the sites which want to process most of the
messages automatically and allow anybody to create alt.* groups.  Note that
this is not a foolproof system and it would be safer to get an e-mail copy
of all messages, in case someone posts a forged rmgroup message using the
address of one of the trusted sources.  However, when such a forgery is
detected by other administrators, it doesn't take long before someone posts
a booster newgroup message for the group which was invalidated.

-Raphael


author: Todd Mullins

text:
Raphael Quinet ([email]) wrote:

: But some administrators do not want to receive these e-mail notifications
: and prefer a more liberal approach for the creation of new alt.* groups.
: A good compromise between the example given above and "create all groups
: but never remove them" is to use the following entry for alt.* groups:

: ## ALT
: ##
: ## Accept all newgroup's as well as rmgroup's from trusted sources and
: ## process them silently.  Only the rmgroup messages from unknown sources
: ## will be e-mailed to the administrator.
: ##
: [ ... ]

I'm somewhat fond of the anarchistic intent of alt.*, so my personal
approach is to accept almost all "newgroup"s and no "rmgroup"s; the
"rmgroup"s get logged and "newgroup"s for alt.binaries.* and alt.sex.*
get mailed to me for manual intervention.  I hacked up a script that
removes any alt.* group that is dormant for more than n days (I use
n = 14).

Of course, I don't feed alt.* to anyone else, so I have a lot of leeway
with this.


author: Tallan Sparr

subject: Using programs such as forte net, and downloading Binary Files

text:
hello, I was wondering if someone could describe in detail how to
download Binary Files and how to use the program "forte net". Thank
you very much


author: Don Aitken

subject: Re: Using programs such as forte net, and downloading Binary Files

text:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 00:20:52 GMT, [email] (Tallan Sparr)
wrote:

I presume what you mean is Forte Agent. If you go to to their website:
www.forteinc.com  you can dowload either Free Agent (which is,
naturally, free) or Agent, which is trialware with a 30-day expiry.
Both come with very thorough help files which explain how to use them,
including how to download binaries.


author: Mitch

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] (Tallan Sparr) wrote:

In brief, you download the included files in most software by selecting
the messages that have them, then choosing the proper command from the
menus. It's that simple.


author: Dave Downin

subject: TIN & Threads

text:
I was wondering if anyone had solved the problem of getting TIN to display
only the unread articles in a thread.  It seems that every time a new
article is added to a thread, I have to read through all previous
responses.  Is this normal, or do I have something set wrong.  I have
read through the manual and don't see anything to control this.


author: Rob May

subject: Re: TIN & Threads

text:
Dave Downin ([email]) wrote:
: I was wondering if anyone had solved the problem of getting TIN to display
: only the unread articles in a thread.  It seems that every time a new
: article is added to a thread, I have to read through all previous
: responses.  Is this normal, or do I have something set wrong.  I have
: read through the manual and don't see anything to control this.

Use the <TAB> key rether than the <ENTER> or arrow keys to enter the
thread.   This will take you to the next unread article.

Rob.


author: L. E. de Rivaud

subject: Re: TIN & Threads

text:
Have you tried the configurable options (press the M key), and option #11?

Dave Downin ([email]) wrote:


author: Victor Menayang

subject: Re: TIN & Threads

text:
Rob May ([email]) wrote:

: Use the <TAB> key rether than the <ENTER> or arrow keys to enter the
: thread.   This will take you to the next unread article.

This one I knew, but is there a way to make tin displays
the name of the sender of an unread article rather than
the name of the original poster who started the thread?

For instance, in the thread list, TIN displays the following:

 2  +    best UNIX based news reader?             Howard Smith (smithh@logi

While Howard Smith is the original poster, not an unread
poster.  I have to list the thread before I can tell who
writes a follow-up.


subject: Precedent for Green card?

text:
Whilst we all agree that the Green card post might not in
itself be illegal, I am of the firm opinion that if it went
through the court system, it would set a precedent.

IMHO this case would be an excellent case to base a precedent
on and I would expect the courts to rule that this is in the
same league as junk fax.

Furthermore I think that Canter et al will realise this and
indirect have no real cause for concern.

Anyone out there like to comment?

regards

John


author: Martin E. Sulkanen

subject: Re: Precedent for Green card?

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (J.D.Watson) writes:

I wish I could share your optimism about a court case. A
spamvertisement has an effect on the usenet more like that
of junk mail delivered to your mailbox, rather than the crippling
effect of a humongous junk fax. I don't think that
the "cultural" atmosphere of usenet is much of a legal arguement.
I think the damn lawyers have us by the toe and it's going to get
much, much worse.