author: Mary

subject: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
Upon reflection, it occurred to me that my neighbor's new cat might be
a Ragdoll, because it goes limp when picked up and just sort of drapes
over you. I did a Google image search, and there she was!

Am I correct in recalling that Ragdolls have soft, thick fur, large
frames, gentle dispositions, and "Siamese-type" coloring? I do
remember that they are bred for that "going limp" characteristic.


author: Yngver

subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
Mary" [email] wrote:

Other cats may "go limp" when picked up too, like some Birmans do. Birmans have
similar coloring as well, so that's another possibility. Does the cat have four
white mittens?


author: ~*SooZy*~

subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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Mary" <[email]> wrote in message
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yes I have Ragdolls, I hope your neighbour doesn't let hers out!!!!!!!

Check out the link below to see mine


author: Helen

subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Mary" <[email]> wrote in message
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If you decide it is a Ragdoll, you might want to mention to your neighbour
that Ragdolls can be prone to heart disease. There's info about HCM
generally and a link about its relevance to Ragdolls specifically here:

http://www.felinecrf.org/related_diseases.htm#HCM_websites

But tell her not to panic, my cat (Persian) has had HCM for over four years
and is fine <touch wood>

HTH

Helen


author: Joe Canuck

subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
Mary wrote:

Hmm, how did I miss this post... aw well.

I have one Ragdoll.

They have thick fur, are very gentle, but there are different colourings
and patterns not all of which are Siamese-like.

Some go limp. I find mine will settle right down into my arms when I
pick her up, seemingly completely trusting of me not to drop her. They
also like to lay on their backs a lot.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Mary" <[email]> wrote in message news:<_EPyb.40807$[email]>...

A lot of cats - "pure bred", or otherwise, do this.  The "limp
ragdoll" or "docile ragdoll" myth was proven to be just that - a myth
(From GCCF):

"Ragdoll Cats: Many comments have been made about Ragdoll cats and so
the decision to recognise them was not taken until very careful
investigations had taken place. Reports were obtained from a leading
veterinary college to confirm that the central nervous system of these
cats is perfectly normal, that they are not in any way different from
other cats and that they are no more or less likely to be floppy when
relaxed than any other cat. It is also questionable whether they have
the very high pain threshold that has been suggested.

The Ragdoll was first introduced in the United States where the breed
was speedily patented. The only way in which such a patent could be
obtained was by the claim that the cat was unlike other cats; this
claim has since been discredited both in the United States and the
United Kingdom."

See above.  The cat could be a himilayan mix or a tortie-point
himalayan, a ragdoll mix, a birman mix, a siamese mix - or just a
plain ole Moggie - from what you have described. :)

-L.


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"Yngver" <[email]> wrote in message
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be
drapes
Birmans have
cat have four

No, her feet are dark, dark brown fading to splotches that look like
"Cookies and Cream" ice cream, as is her face. I looked at Birmans but
they all had longer hair. This cat's hair is super soft and fuzzy,
very very thick, but not long. I mean, not sleek like a DSH--but not
long. And she has a big, rounded head and round very blue, very
crossed eyes. I think when she fills out her normal weight might be in
the 12-13 pound range when SLIM. She is a big-boned baby, and so laid
back.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Yngver" <[email]> wrote in message
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have
four

why did you ask about mitted paws just curious?


author: PawsForThought

subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
My cat Mickey goes limp when I pick him up, just like a sack of potatoes.  He's
a DSH and gray with tuxedo markings.  If he's gray and white but has the tuxedo
markings, is he still a tuxedo because he's gray and white and not black and
white?

Lauren
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subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"~*SooZy*~" <[email]> wrote in message
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out!!!!!!!

Oh god, no, the cruel bastard who dumped the cat had her declawed.
:-(  And, we live on a busy street.
all sold

Gorgeous!


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"~*SooZy*~" <[email]> wrote in message
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all sold

Your adult ragdolls all look like this cat would if it had some TLC
and filled out some. Their fur is unique, isn't it? Very thick and
fuzzy but not very long? I think perhaps the neighbor's cat is a mix
because of her spatter "cookies and cream" markings and her very round
head and high forehead. Thank you.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Helen" <[email]> wrote in message
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years

As a Ragdoll owner and I know many other Ragdoll breeders and owners, none
have found this to be the case.

I think its another myth and the Ragdoll breeds have many LOL


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Joe Canuck" <[email]> wrote in message
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yes both mine are the same, they often just crash out on their backs to
sleep in the middle of the floor! LOL

my 6 weeks old Ragdoll kittens lay on their back, and lay like babies in my
arms already!  they are all totally litter box trained apart from one
accident a couple of weeks ago from one of them.
Ragdolls are amazing cats :-)


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"-L." <[email]> wrote in message
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Yes I read a report from Glasgow uni, about Ragdolls nervous system being
the same as a normal cats too,  a long while back.

I must say though my Ragdolls are really floppy, much more so than any other
cat I have had! I think you have to have owned a Ragdoll to realise just how
floppy they are, and very docile too.  But then again they are very big and
heavy type cats.
you can just hang them over your arm, they don't tense up or leap out of
your arms, I have never had a cat previously let me do this. But I have only
ever owned moggies who were never heavy or over weight.
You can hold them like babies, and put them down once asleep and they stay
that way with out moving. Even my 6 week old Ragdolls you can lay on their
backs.

It is also questionable whether they have

Yes some poeople seriously believed Ragdolls did not feel pain!!!!!!!
Hmmmmmm!!! wonder where that came from!

yes that is how all pedigree cats are made, have to have something
different.
Ragdolls look like Birmans, to most people until you really get into
learning about them, eg the head, ears, body shape, size. temperament etc
they are both beautiful, its those blue eyes I love :-)


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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-L. wrote:

Fortunately, the characteristic is not a myth with the Ragdoll.

Where do you suppose the breed name "Ragdoll" originated from in terms
of being descriptive of characteristics within the breed?


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
A cat that is so laid back, it goes limp when you stroke it.

A cat you can teach to fetch things.

A cat you can walk on a leash.

A cat you will never find on top of the fridge because it can't be bothered
to jump up.

A cat that weighs upwards of 20 pounds.

A Ragdoll is a breed of cat that began about 30 years ago in Riverside,
California, with the help of a woman named Ann Baker. Ann recognized
something very special about her neighbors' cats, and decided to further
them and 'create' her own breed, the IRCA Ragdoll.

It seems Ms. Baker used to market her ragdolls by tossing them in the air to
show how they would go limp as they waited to be caught rather than lashing
out with their claws.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Mary" <[email]> wrote in message
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Ragdolls are semi long haired, but one of mine has short hair the other long
haired.

This cat's hair is super soft and fuzzy,

does your neighbour not know what she is?


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
~*SooZy*~" [email] wrote:

Birmans have four white mittens. Some Ragdolls do too, but if the cat doesn't
have white mittens (or gloves, if you prefer), it's not a Birman.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"PawsForThought" <[email]> wrote in message

black and
I don't know but he sounds really pretty!


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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[email] (PawsForThought) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

I call that a grey and white tuxedo. ;)

-L.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
[email]  (PawsForThought) wrote:

Well, grey (often called blue) is genetically a dilute black. So in that
respect, he's a tuxedo cat, but I think most people think of tuxedo cats as
black with the white markings.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Mary" <[email]> wrote in message
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well mine are Blue colourpointed, maybe that one is a Seal there are lots of
different colours, inc Tabby, tortie, mitted
Mine are only kittens, 7 months and 9 months old


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"~*SooZy*~" <[email]> wrote in message
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myth
so
leading
these
from
when
being

Well, of course their nervous systems are the same! MIne is the same
as my sister's but I tend to be relaxed and floppy and she is type A!
It is more about temperament, I think, and a built-in predilection to
be laid back.

any other
just how

That is the thing. My neighbor's cat is just so ... DIFFERENT. I need
to see and hold a confirmed Ragdoll to know if this might be why.

But then again they are very big and
out of
have only
they stay
their
pain!!!!!!!
breed
be
temperament etc

They sound just lovely.

Just talked to my neighbor--the vet gave the kitty a clean bill of
health, although she had been in a fight as one ear is scarred. I'm
still boiling over the fact that some idiot declawed this gentle cat
then left her outside to fend for herself.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Joe Canuck" <[email]> wrote in message
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Joe is right, The words Ragdoll and docile go together! any Ragdoll owner
will tell you that just do a google search of Docile Ragdoll :-)


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
~*SooZy*~ wrote:

Mine does this often. She will also roll over on her back.

I play fetch with mine all the time. Her favorite fetch game is when I
throw bits of kibble which she promptly consumes. If I throw an rolled
up ball of paper she will return it and drop it in front of me for
another round. If I don't throw it she will protest with a few meows.

I've never tried this.

Exactly. Mine also leaves the Christmas tree alone.

My female is now very close to 18 pounds.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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~*SooZy*~" [email] wrote:

Lots of cats do that. My sister's Persian cat did that.

LOL. Lots of cats can be taught to fetch. We have one that just started doing
it on her own. That's not specific to Ragdolls.

IMO you can teach almost any cat to walk on a leash. All of our cats are leash
trained.

Two of our three are like this, and none of them are Ragdolls.

Like Maine Coons?

There are a lot of "stories" and controversy surrounding Ann Baker and the
origin of the Ragdoll. Seems like she wanted to make the origin seem
mysterious.
I guess that might appeal to some people. I mean, Ragdolls are beautiful cats
but the number of silly myths that float around about them has always been kind
of a turn-off for me. Breeding cats for their capacity to go limp just seems a
little strange to me--but that's just me.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"~*SooZy*~" <[email]> wrote in message

She just adopted her from the pound, she was to be euthanized this
week, so, no, she doesn't have any way of knowing. I offered her my
guess last night and have been sharing all advice and thoughts here
with her today.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Yngver" <[email]> wrote in message
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Birmans
have
doesn't

Yes Mitted Ragdolls are common, 2 of my 6 week old Ragdoll kittens are
mitted, like their Father,  I love their little white paws :-)
I did not know all Birmans were mitted, you learn something new everyday :-)


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
Thanks, Mary :)  You can see his picture at the link below.  He's the one with
the white mustache.

Lauren
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author: Sherry

subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
Yoda is yellow with tuxedo markings. More like a leisure-suit kitty than a
tuxedo.

Sherry


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
Thanks, Yngver.  I didn't know grey was a dilute black.  Yeah Mickey has all
the markings of a black and white tuxedo but grey.  He had a brother who was a
black and white tuxedo.

Lauren

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subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"~*SooZy*~" <[email]> wrote in message
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Kittens
TLC
mix
round
lots of
Yours are gorgeous. Hers (if it is one) is a Seal point, as the brown
is very dark, more like semi-sweet than milk chocolate.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Mary" <[email]> wrote in message
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No honestly! :-)  its believed Ragdolls are more relaxed and floppy, you
read it on so many Ragdoll sites.

well they are heavy, dead weight and just hang there, no springy if you know
whatI mean like Moggies :-)

awwwwww poor baby :-(     have you taken a picture yet? looking forward to
seeing her


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Joe Canuck" <[email]> wrote in message
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yes mine do too :-) stay there and sleep, they are so lovely to watch, they
completetly calm me down too, when I ever feel stressed

yes mine do too, like little puppy dogs :-)

no me neither, mine are strictly indoor cats
bothered
mine had a look, smelt it, its an optic fibre tree, not real so no point
playing with it!
oh wow :-)  mine are only 8lb but they are just kittens, how old is yours?
I love adult Ragdolls they are real live cuddley toys :-)


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Yngver" <[email]> wrote in message
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beautiful cats
always been kind
just seems a

You have never had one, yet you refuse to believe what those who have
them say about them. I find that a little strange.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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[email] (Yngver) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

I agree.  IME, the ones I have known are dumber than rocks.

-L.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
Mary" [email] wrote:

In that case, most likely she is a mixed breed domestic shorthair. Probably not
a purebred, but she sounds lovely just the same.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"PawsForThought" <[email]> wrote in message
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with

Oh boy and what a moustache too :-)   what a cutie he is,  beautiful cats
:-)


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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[email] (Sherry ) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

My Georgie looked like that.  He was one of two kittens we kept from a
litter when I was about 11.  He was the BEST cat!

-L.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
Same genes. I can't remember how the dilution gets in there, but it's the same
thing with calico or toroiseshell cats--when the colors are diluted, you get a
blue-cream cat. Same genes as a cat with black and orange patches, but the
colors are diluted. One of our cats is blue cream, but the fur is more mixed
and not so patchy except for one cream paw and a patch of cream color on her
belly. If the color wasn't dilute, she'd be mostly black.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"~*SooZy*~" <[email]> wrote in message
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you

I'm agreeing with you! Just saying that just because they have the
same sort of nervous system as other cats (as "L" stated) does not
mean they are not floppy and laid back!
you know

That's what she is like!
forward to

Wish I had a digital camera. Maybe my neighbor does. I'll try!


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"Mary" [email] wrote:

First off, I have a friend who has one and I've certainly been around Ragdolls
at cat shows--enough to know what they are like.

Secondly, the type of silly myth I'm talking about is the story that Ragdolls
can't feel pain, for example. I'm sure you don't believe that, do you? Or that
they are hypo-allergenic. Or that they are completely unable to defend
themselves.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"-L." <[email]> wrote in message
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doing
leash
bothered
further
the
air to
lashing
cats
been >kind
seems a

well I love Ragdolls because I love their size, beautiful coats, docile
personalities, blue eyes and there almost dog personalities, I love lap
cats, mine snuggle up on the settee with us, and sleep in my arms of a night
time, purring away, they follow me everywhere :-)  My Moggie is the same too
though, she is a tabby


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Yngver" <[email]> wrote in message
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Probably not

She's so unusual! But yes, she is lovely. I'll report on the vet visit
just as soon as I know.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Yngver" <[email]> wrote in message
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:-)

and the Ragdolls hallmark is their beautiful blue eyes :-)


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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Thanks, Soozy!!  Your kitties are very beautiful too :)

Lauren
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subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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She sounds very pretty!
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Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Mary" <[email]> wrote in message
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yes there are lots of floppy laid back Moggies out there :-)  a lot depends
on their relationship with there owners too.

Oh I hope you can take a picture somehow of her, when you have been chatting
about a cat its so nice to see them :-)


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Yngver" <[email]> wrote in message
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have
around Ragdolls
Ragdolls
you? Or that
defend

No, you were not only talking about that. For every characteristic
Soozy brought up, your answer was "big deal, lots of cats do this," or
"not all Ragdolls do this." It is a recognized breed. Just because you
don't happen to like these characteristics, or this breed does not
mean that they are not wonderful cats. Just like "L"'s rude comment
about them being stupid, your post displayed ignorance and prejudice
more than anything else. Unnecessarily antagonistic to those who have
and love Ragdolls.

I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts around
my house, but that doesn't mean Ragdolls are not perfectly charming
and certainly does not mean that they are not a recognized breed with
a set of known characteristics. They appear to be perfect for small
children, for example, because they can be dragged around and dressed
up in doll clothes without removing any of the child's skin.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Mary" <[email]> wrote in message news:<%63Ab.82152$[email]>...

So what?  What does that mean?  Not all ragdolls exhibit the behaviors
you describe, so I guess it doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot, does
it?

Just as you claim ragdolls are docile, "go limp" and are the
wondercats, IME, the ones I have met *are* stupid - they are a cat
that would sit there and let itself be mauled, rather than defend
itself.  Not exactly survival of the fittest, IYKWIM...  My anecdotal
generalization and your anecdotal generalizations aren't much
different from each other, other than the fact that yours are
pro-ragdoll, and mine are not.

Furthermore, the "traits" you claim are unique to ragdolls - that they
supposedly have been bred for -  certainly are not.  There are many
moggies, Persians, Egyptian Maus, Scottish folds, etc., etc., that
exhibit the same characteristics.  Someone who wants a docile,
limp-going, mellow cat can walk into any shelter in the US, pick up
kittens one at a time turn them over on their backs and assess them
for these traits.  There is no need to pay hundreds of dollars for
something that is not unique.  Unless, of course, you happen to like
the look, but then again, the look is rather color-pointed
moggie-like, in many regards.  Again, not something you cannot find in
a shelter.

The point is, the organization in the UK cited in the article tried to
prove that the ragdoll breed was unique in some *tangible* way.  They
could not.  The ragdoll myth is just that - a myth.  Like it or not,
you've bought into the myth and have been duped.  The woman who
orginally bred the cats was a nutcase:

"As time went on, Ann Baker’s statements and claims about the
breed became strange, supernatural - and - very hard to believe. She
publicized statements outlining how Ragdoll cats have human genes in
them, that they are immune to pain & that they represent a link
between us and space aliens."

She set up her own registery club, in order to "control" the breeding
and to be self-promoting:

"In 1971, Baker created her own cat registry & association known as
IRCA (International Ragdoll Cat Association). Since then, she has been
in bitter debate about how only her Ragdolls are legitimate and the
rest are fake.

In December 1975 Ann Baker had the name "Ragdoll" patented for the
first time. The patent is valid until the year 2005, and allows only
IRCA breeders to use the name."

Sources: http://www.ragdoll-cats.com/history.htm

Not a whole lot of credibility...

Like they say, "There is a sucker born every minute."

-L.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Mary" <[email]> wrote in message
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<cut>

Mary did you see the pictures of Bebe my skinny tabby moggie, she is half
Ragdoll believe it or not LOL she had 6 kittens, 4 Ragdoll look-a-likes and
one pure grey and one tabby grey, they all are beautiful 8 weeks old
tomorrow. She was bred with a pure Ragdoll.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

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"Mary" [email] wrote:

Sorry you misunderstood that point, but yes indeed, those were the silly myths
I was referring to.

For every characteristic

Well, your paraphrase puts a different tone on it. But yes, those traits are
not unique to Ragdolls.

 or

I don't recall that, but my point remains that most of those traits can be
possessed by all sorts of cats. To think such traits are only found in Ragdolls
is incorrect.

It is a recognized breed.

That's true, but most of those traits named were not specific breed
characteristics.

 Just because you

I didn't say that. In fact, I never said I don't like Ragdolls.

 or this breed does not

Never said they aren't, but I think to try to perpetuate such myths about them
is silly. If it's such a wonderful breed, what's the point of dreaming up
nonsense to try to distinguish them from other breeds? The cats should be
appreciated for what they really are.

Just like "L"'s rude comment

Whatever.  IMO it's a bit ignorant to fall for absurb myths and tales. Ragdolls
and other breeds of cats are fine animals without the exaggerations and false
claims.

Yes, but those named were not their genuine characteristics.

They appear to be perfect for small
If small children need to maul cats without being scratched, they should be
given stuffed animals. No cat should be mistreated, even those who are willing
to suffer in silence.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"-L." > Just as you claim ragdolls are docile, "go limp" and are the

Okay, sunshine, get with the program, will you? *I* never claimed
anything about Ragdolls. Others who have them have had a lot to say
about them, as we all have a lot to say about our cats here.

I am pro- "all kinds of cats."

they
in
to
They

Yes, well, I feel certain that you are ugly and that your mother
dressed you funny when you were a child. Now that I have reduced the
discourse to your level I'm sure you feel better.

Now pop on over to rec.pets.dogs.health+behav and trash whatever breed
you find "dumb as a rock." It's the weekend. Might as well live a
little.


author: Karen M.

subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
~*SooZy*~ wrote:

You *deliberately* bred your cat, knowing about the huge population
problem? And they're not even purebred, so you don't even have that
excuse? Please smack yourself upside the head for me. Are you really
that ignorant?


author: Cheryl

subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
In news:bqsugf$s2t$[email],
~*SooZy*~ <[email]> composed with style:

Bred, as in on purpose?


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"~*SooZy*~" <[email]> wrote in message
news:bqsugf$s2t$[email]...
around
charming
half
look-a-likes and

Man, I want to take another look now. I love those blue eyes!


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
Soozy wrote:

This is disgusting, and you should be flogged for intentionally
contributing to the overpopulation problem and taking homes away from
cats that really need them. Maybe you can explain to the animals at the
following link why you felt a need to not spay your "skinny moggie" and
purposely let her get pregnant:
http://community.webtv.net/zuzu22/overpopulation

Oh, wait. You can't because they are DEAD.

WTF is wrong with you? This world does not need any more cats. You
always struck me as being sort of an imbecile, but this really takes the
cake.

Megan

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"Yngver" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
myths
are
Ragdolls
them
Ragdolls
false
be
willing

I have a daughter of nearly 5 my Ragdolls keep well away from her, they
don't like her rushing about.  She is allowed to sit and stroke them but
only if they come to her.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"Yngver" <[email]> wrote in message

prejudice
have

A non-comment.

and false

Which ones that Soozy made were false?

around
with

And which were they?

dressed
should be
are willing

Heh heh. I just watched a terribly mistreated cat being dragged around
that way. She was so traumatized she purred the entire time.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"Cheryl" <[email]> wrote in message
news:bqsvkk$25m10g$[email]...
pure as in Active Registered Stud Ragdoll


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"Mary" <[email]> wrote in message
news:bHnAb.83231$[email]...

yes they have really beautiful blue eyes, Skie has a lovely coat but her
eyes are not as deep blue as Moshi and the baby kittens,  their Mummy has
golden coloured eyes, but she is a Ragdoll cross Tabby Moggie, the sweetest
natured cat, she doesn't look or act like a Ragdoll one bit,  very slim,
light, tiny, playful and never lays on her back


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"~*SooZy*~" <[email]> wrote in message
news:bqsugg$s2t$[email]...
they
but

Most animal lovers teach their children about how to treat their pets.
My neighbor's cat loves their 3-year-old, and splits when she has had
enough. Her mother told her that she can play with the kitty when she
comes to her, but not when she is napping or not interested. This cat
is so happy! I think she knows they saved her life somehow--or maybe
she is just really happy to be out of the hellish pound atmosphere.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"Mary" [email] wrote:

The ability to learn to fetch, to learn to walk on a leash, the inability to
jump to  high places, and passivity were presented as traits unique to the
Ragdoll. They are not.

In the attempt to try to establish that something was unique enough about this
type of cat to patent the name, the originator Ann Baker tried to advance quite
a few odd ideas about the Ragdoll: among them that the cat has human genes and
is a link to space aliens. Makes one doubt most of the supposedly unique traits
attached to the Ragdoll to this day.

As above.
And I recall a Ragdoll owner who used to post here who presented the argument
that Ragdolls are so docile and passive they don't know what their claws are
for, therefore she felt justified in having the cat declawed. When the myths
surrounding a breed of cat are used to justify harming the cat, I feel there is
good reason to condemn such fallacies.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
In news:bqt7af$b0q$[email],
~*SooZy*~ <[email]> composed with style:

But you said the female is a moggy??  That means you are not breeding
purebreds.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"Mary" <[email]> wrote in message
news:%JnAb.83232$[email]...

ooops I mean the Ragdolls allow her to stroke them if they go to her!  they
seem to prefer a relaxed quiet atmosphere in the house.  If she charges
about they go off to their beds :-)
They play first thing in the morning and late in the evening and of course
at bedtime LOL

oh I agree, children should be taught not to stroke them while they are
sleeping, and no to follow them around. My youngest daughter has had cats
around her from birth so she doesn't really get too excited about them, when
the kittens were born we let her look in on them, but not to handle them
without one of us being there, until they were a few weeks old.

She is a dog lover though!  I have to tell her time and time again never to
stroke a dog in the street without asking first!


author: Rona Yuthasastrakosol

subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"Yngver" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
to

Individually, those traits are not unique to Ragdoll cats but from what I
understand, what makes Ragdolls 'unique' is that they have all of these
traits.  To say, "I know a cat that was trained to fetch, and another one
that walks on a leash, and another that...and none of these were Ragdolls"
doesn't nullify the idea that Ragdolls are (could be) a unique breed of cat.

(Note:  I don't have a Ragdoll nor have I ever (knowingly) met one.)

rona


subject: Update on pound resuce! was Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"Yngver" <[email]> wrote in message

around
argument
claws are
the myths
feel there is

I have never known a cat that did not let me know when it was unhappy.

Anyway, as it turns out, I think the kitty in question is just a
really, really laid back Siamese mix. She has gotten used to the noise
the kids make and just sleeps and kneads all day and seeks them out
for snuggling at night. She can be enticed to play very easily--but
she is still like a sack of potatoes when you pick her up. It's
precious. The kind of cat you have to get a bit of distance from if
you want to see her, she clings so close. I picked her up today from
my shoulder and damn if she wasn't looking right at me, eyes not
crossed at all. They just wander all over the place. The family loves
her, and I am just so happy she was spared from being killed at the
pound. A happy story. She rubs her face on the children's cheeks,
marking them as her humans.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
In news:bqt8ib$271gbd$[email],
Cheryl <[email]> composed with style:

PS - I have to wonder about the stud owners for allowing him to sire
moggies.  Aren't there "rules" for these things?


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"Cheryl" <[email]> wrote in message
news:bqt8ib$271gbd$[email]...

I bred my first and only litter of 3/4 Ragdolls sold within a week of being
born, as most were asked for before they were born.
my other 2 cats are only kittens nearly 8 months and 10  months who are
registered Ragdolls....


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
Rona Yuthasastrakosol" [email]  wrote:

No, because many non-Ragdoll cats can also have all those traits, and there are
obviously going to be Ragdolls that do not posess some of those traits, because
they are a matter of personality.

The breed standards--the physical characteristics established to distinguish
this breed--are what makes the Ragdoll a separate and distinct breed.

I know cats that have all the traits mentioned, in the same cat, yet
nevertheless they are not Ragdolls.

If there were a breed of cat whose uniqueness depended on conformation to a
standard set of behaviors, perhaps you would be right.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" <[email]> wrote in message
news:4a4Bb.46442$[email]...
inability
unique to the
what I
these
another one
Ragdolls"
of cat.

That's what I tried but failed to convey. Thanks.


subject: Re: Update on pound resuce! was Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"Mary" [email] wrote:

She sounds like a sweet cat. These stories always make me wonder who would have
abandoned such a nice cat, and really glad she found a happy home.


author: Karen

text:
in article xQaBb.85639$[email], Mary at
[email] wrote on 12/8/03 8:55 PM:

She sure sounds very happy!

Karen


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"Cheryl" <[email]> wrote in message
news:bqt92l$26kevu$[email]...

no there are no rules, the stud owner is a friend who I brought one of my
other Ragdoll kittens from, she loved my Tabby Moggie and said how pretty
she was and if I wanted to breed her with her stud boy I could when she is
old enough.


text:
"Yngver" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
would have

You and me both! After declawing her! What kind of beasts are walking
around in human form these days, and why aren't they sucked into space
before they can get their hands on trusting little creatures? No
wonder I have been accused of preferring the company of animals to
that of humans!


text:
"Karen" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Yeah. It just makes me love my neighbor so much, because she went out
of her way to rescue a cat that essentially had no hope. And this
woman is not one of those sickeningly sweet posers, she is just really
down to earth, just kind of goes about making her little chunk of the
world better however she can. This cat was certainly just one of
untold thousands ... millions? ...of cats slated to be killed this
week nationwide. Just a drop in the bucket. But still solid good. A
solidly good thing. She is safe forever now.


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
In news:bqtte7$qks$[email],
~*SooZy*~ <[email]> composed with style:

I see.  Not a responsible breeder.  I hope that he is neutered by now?
And your moggie spayed?


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"~*SooZy*~" <[email]> wrote in message news:<bqtte7$qks$[email]>...

Invite her down to the local pound so y'all can see how "pretty" a
trash can full of dead kittens is.

-L.


text:
She sounds like a gem. Your post solidifies the phrase, "You can't save them
all, but focus on the ones you did."
It keeps us sane, and keeps us trying.

Sherry


subject: Re: Anybody have a Ragdoll kitty?

text:
"Cheryl" <[email]> wrote in message
news:bqu8ep$253slc$[email]...

no my Ragdoll boy is going to be as closed stud when he is old enough and so
is my Ragdoll female,  and so will the other 2 females I buy during the
year.


text:
"Sherry " <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Sherry, I will never forget two years ago, when I went to the shelter
where I found Cheeky. I don't know if it caught me at the wrong time,
or what, but all those sweet little creatures in cages lining the
walls, roaming the rooms, looking at me, some rubbing up against me
like "PICK ME!!" They just left me with this excruciating feeling of
helplessness. It was just before Christmas and I offered to pay the
adoption fee for any of my family and friends who would take one of
the cats. Not ONE person took me up on it. I don't understand it. Cats
are such joys, and you know there are not many families that would not
benefit from their company. So many people live alone, too. It's just
sad that the many who do don't know how cheaply they can have
wonderful company! :)


author: SteveIA

subject: They're baaack! RWBB

text:
We've been listening hard morning and evening for about a week but
haven't heard a thing. Just now, on a drive around the section, we saw a
small flock (30-40) of Red Wing Black Birds.  I usually count on them
being back here in Southiowa by March 1st. Early is better than later.

Steve
41N
Southiowa


author: Buxtonite

subject: Re: They're baaack! RWBB

text:
SteveIA <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

I have a flock of between 100-150 RWBB's mixed with a lesser amount of
Brewer's BB's that have adopted me this winter. They sit at the top of
a huge 100 year old walnut tree. Be careful what you wish for. Between
the jungle-like noise they produce and the hundreds of pounds of feed
they go through a month they can become a nuisance. The smaller birds
( juncos, g-c sparrows,song sparrows, spotted towhees, house finches,
pine siskins,etc.)have to time there feeding  between the swooping in
and out of the RWBB's. The evening grosbeaks and California quail are
the only birds that don't seem to be intimidated by there size and
numbers.

I have to admit a large number of males in flight are quite beautiful.
The sound of a hundred or so taking off at once is also impressive.
They are definitely flighty.

By the way, I live 30 miles west of Portland, Oregon. Generally mild
climate. Very rarely gets below 20 F for any length of time.

Steve


subject: Re: They're baaack! RWBB

text:
RWBBs were very active at the upstream end of Lake Elkhorne, here in
Columbia, Maryland (a little SW of Baltimore) yesterday afternoon.

Fred

SteveIA wrote:


author: bthache

subject: Re: They're baaack! RWBB

text:
I really look forward to their return here in the spring as well (of course
here, that won't be until April at least!).... I just wish they would leave
the grackles and starlings somewhere else along their way!! :(


author: I M TheEggmann

subject: Re: They're baaack! RWBB

text:
Darn! I was at my vacation place on Long Island all week looking for RWBBs. I
came home to the city  last night. I'll bet my front yard feeders (which I
filled before leaving) have a ton of RWWBs under them today.


author: Accipiter

subject: Re: They're baaack! RWBB

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Just saw my first of the year today. First week of March as usual.


author: David Fouchey

subject: Re: They're baaack! RWBB

text:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:28:53 -0500, "bthache" <[email]>
wrote:

They are now here too Tammie along with Robins so it won;t be long
lass.

Dave


subject: Re: They're baaack! RWBB

text:
Ohhh, they're getting closer!! Any purple finches at your place yet Dave?
:)


subject: Re: They're baaack! RWBB

text:
David Fouchey <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
course
leave

Starlings stay here all year round. I saw the first Grackle of the year
this morning, a bird I acutely have a liking for, but then, they don't raid
my feeders.


subject: Re: They're baaack! RWBB

text:
On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 11:47:28 -0500, "bthache" <[email]> wrote:

Saddly none yet....

Dave


author: Dave Lee

subject: raw brass and silver

text:
Anyone here have experience using a silver horn with a raw brass bell? I'm
kicking around the idea on a c trumpet.


subject: Re: raw brass and silver

text:
Silver plating is so thin that it probably wouldn't make much difference if it
was raw brass or silver.

If someone can post Schilkes study on that, it makes the whole thing pretty
clear.

David
http://www.mp3.com/davidhoffman


author: Jim Donaldson

subject: Re: raw brass and silver

text:
http://www.dallasmusic.org/schilke/Brass%20Clinic.html#Finishes

My guess is that a raw brass bell on a silver horn will make no practical
difference from a silver plated bell on a silver horn. I also think the raw
brass on silver would be way ugly.

Jim Donaldson
Denver Colorado
[email]

The Schilke Loyalist
http://www.dallasmusic.org/schilke


author: Annette Meyer

subject: Stupid pilot tricks

text:
"Most engine failures are due to fuel starvation".
One of the FBOs at my home airport (3HE.  Liv. Cty., Michigan) HAD a nice
Cherokee 140 for lease.  Some guy rented it last weekend, put 4 (!) adults in
it and flew "up north" for a color tour.  He landed at St. Ignace (a nice
airport N of the Straits of Mackinaw--where Lake Huron meets Lake Michigan).
He didn't buy gas there, because he thought the plane only took 80 octane.
He flew to Cheboygan (maybe 30 nm) to get 80 octane.  Didn't make it.
He went into a patch of poplar trees about 1 mile short of the runway.
The plane was totaled (one aileron salvageable) but apparently no one was
injured much.
Who would fly a plane without knowing something as basic as what grade of fuel
it used???  Liv Cty doesn't have 80 octane--where did he think the plane
got fuel the rest of the time???
I'm glad nobody was injured, the pilot was incredibly lucky--the route from
St Ignace to Cheybogan is mostly over water.  But there are few enough
affordable light planes out there--we don't need dopes crashing them out of
sheer stupidity!!!
Just my $0.02 worth!
Annette
Cherokee N8297N


author: Albert Dobyns

subject: Stupid pilot tricks

text:
AM-> From: [email] (Annette Meyer)
AM-> Subject: Stupid pilot tricks

AM-> "Most engine failures are due to fuel starvation".
AM-> One of the FBOs at my home airport (3HE.  Liv. Cty., Michigan) HAD a nice
AM-> Cherokee 140 for lease.  Some guy rented it last weekend, put 4 (!) adults
AM-> it and flew "up north" for a color tour.  He landed at St. Ignace (a nice
AM-> airport N of the Straits of Mackinaw--where Lake Huron meets Lake Michigan
AM-> He didn't buy gas there, because he thought the plane only took 80 octane.
AM-> He flew to Cheboygan (maybe 30 nm) to get 80 octane.  Didn't make it.
AM-> He went into a patch of poplar trees about 1 mile short of the runway.
AM-> The plane was totaled (one aileron salvageable) but apparently no one was
AM-> injured much.

I think I'm as surprised as you are that the pilot wouldn't know what
fuel the plane uses.  No excuse for not knowing that.  Does that plane
use 100LL avgas?  Isn't the plane labeled with what fuel is to be used?
The Warriors I used to fly had stick-on labels next to each fuel tank
cap saying 100/100LL only!  Is 80 octane cheaper?  Did the 140's use
80 octane?  I've never flown a 140 so I don't know, but it's for DANG
sure the pilot is required to know!!  I also wonder if he did a weight
and balance.  4 adults in a 140 sounds like it's pushing the max takeoff
weight unless the tanks weren't full.

AM-> Who would fly a plane without knowing something as basic as what grade of
AM-> it used???  Liv Cty doesn't have 80 octane--where did he think the plane
AM-> got fuel the rest of the time???
AM-> I'm glad nobody was injured, the pilot was incredibly lucky--the route fro
AM-> St Ignace to Cheybogan is mostly over water.  But there are few enough
AM-> affordable light planes out there--we don't need dopes crashing them out o
AM-> sheer stupidity!!!
AM-> Just my $0.02 worth!
AM-> Annette
AM-> Cherokee N8297N

Annette, I'd say your $0.02 worth gives advice that's worth a whole lot
more!

* SLMR 2.1a * We'll tow it out of the landing lights and try again!

----
MidWest BBS - 708-513-1034 -ILINK Charter Member, UsMail Regional Hub, Usenet


author: Allen Miller

subject: Re: Stupid pilot tricks

text:
In article <293ng5$[email]>, [email] (Annette Meyer) writes:
                                                                  (?)

[He then ran out of gas]

One night this summer a friend and I were returning from a night flight
at about midnight.  When we were tying down the plane, I noticed headlights
in the field off the east northeast corner of the runway, about 200 yards
away.  This was odd, since there is no road there.  Maybe kids messing
around, I thought.  Then they began to move slowly.  We watched for a
while and it looked like this vehicle was towing something.  "Hey Dan,
that car is towing an airplane!"  Sure enough, a few minutes later
a pickup pulled onto the ramp pulling a C172.  Of course we couldn't resist
this one, so we walked over, and met two very sheepish looking gentlemen.
They said they had an engine failure in the pattern, then experineced
bad turbulence and landed in the field.  Seemed plausable at the time.
The next day the FAA showed up asking about the fuel starvation incident.
Hmmm.  Pilot-induced engine failure.  It turns out they had flown from
Holyoke (?) and run out of gas in the pattern at Downtown Fort Collins,
a 1 hour flight.

Allen Miller                                  [email]
Department of Physics
Colorado State University


author: An Metet

subject: Re: most beautiful pornstar ever

text:
Compiling such "most", "best" lists are not
like listing the world's tallest mountains
or longest rivers.

Did you ever notice those lists in other fields that
go something like:

"Top 100 ...." or "100 Most ...." or "Best 100 ..."
and after naming the 99th entry they leave
position 100 empty as a way of acknowledging
the impossibility of the task, to avoid pissing
off a lot of people and to leave a hope in the minds
of many that they are the unnamed 100th entry.

(I think this comes from the practice of the National
Academy of French -- no, the National PORN Academy
of France, you knuckleheads -- that always kept the last
chair empty.)
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author: greg sandifer

subject: Re: most beautiful pornstar ever

text:
My vote would definately be for the very beautiful and oh so lovely
Gwen Summers, she is the sweetest lady you could ever meet and she is
more beautiful in person than she is on camera.

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author: kirbrel

subject: Re: most beautiful pornstar ever

text:
Sylvia Saint, one of the all-time most beautiful.

Dina Jewel--Nana Gibson

Nikki Dial
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author: Heinrich Kurt Von Moltke, Esq.

subject: Re: most beautiful pornstar ever

text:
raquel darrian

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author: Thomas

subject: Re: most beautiful pornstar ever

text:
My favorites are:

Dina Jewel a.k.a Nanna Gibson

Anuschka Marek a.k.a. Lolita-Anna

Britt Morgan

Bunny Bleu

Candy Evans

Best regards from Denmark

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author: F50 GT

subject: Re: most beautiful pornstar ever

text:
Racquel Darrian

    - F50 GT

Thomas wrote:
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author: Jason Todd

subject: I Would Imagine The RSPWCC Agrees With This

text:
http://www.salon.com/entertainment/comics/this_modern_world/2010/11/30/this_modern_world

Jason


author: trijcomm

subject: Re: I Would Imagine The RSPWCC Agrees With This

text:
On Dec 3, 8:18 am, Jason Todd <[email]> wrote:

Stop crying about actually having some opposition that may just
prevent the Demwits from driving the country into the ground like they
have for the last several years. The last time Obama invited the
Repubs up, he tried to ambush them. Unlike the Demwits, the Repubs
aren't going to make the same mistake twice. Besides, I believe
Boehner has met with Obama anyway. McConnell said that the main goal
was to get rid of Obama because that's the only way that Obamacare can
be repealed -- something most Americans want. As far as START -- where
are the compliance reports that prove Russia has been living up to the
agreement? And where is the report on negotiations of the treaty? The
Russians have a track record of signing agreements and not living up
to them, as we have found after the fall of the Wall. Unlike the
Demwits, who want folks to sign off on stuff they haven't even read
(ie. Obamacare), Repubs have this absurd notion that they shoudn't
approve things that they haven't been fully informed about. Meanwhile,
unemployment continues to rise and the Demwits have no answers, that's
for sure, except to increase taxes and punish the very people who may
be able to create jobs and put people back to work.


text:
On Dec 3, 6:18 am, Jason Todd <[email]> wrote:

People don't want bipartisanship, or do you forget last month.

Of course to Democrats, bipartisan only means "cater to our whims"


text:
On Dec 3, 12:20 pm, Crapgame13 <[email]> wrote:

A simple "yes" would have sufficed.

Jason


subject: Trisha #1

text:
Trisha Yearwood has the #1 Country Album this week, selling 45,000 copies of
"Inside Out."  It's her 2nd #1 album, following 1997's "Songbook," which spent
two weeks at the top.  This is the first of her eight studio albums to debut
higher than #3.


author: Hoyga

subject: Re: Trisha #1

text:
This is great news!  However, it got me to thinking....why this one?  She, thus
far, has done less press/media for this CD.  RLW had just as good reviews when
it came out.  What is it about this album that pushed it?  Or maybe what were
the competing albums when RLW debuted?  Anyone?  :)

Gia


author: DuvallChlban

subject: Re: Trisha #1

text:
My guess would be lack of notable competition. I'm a huge fan of Trisha's
so there's no way I mean this as a slam,
but 45,000 units for 1st. week sales is
not spectacular by any means. I seem
to recall that Vince Gill's last CD sold
somewhere around that number it's
first week, but didn't hit #1.
None the less, I'm very happy for her.
She's one of the finest vocalists around,
in any genre.


author: Pete

subject: Re: Trisha #1

text:
In article <[email]>,
 [email] (Hoyga) wrote:

Because it's mostly CRAP being sold these days?...Pete


author: sbp

subject: Re: Trisha #1

text:
I certainly think timing, as you mentioned, is perhaps the most substantial
reason.

Another reason being that the market seems more geared toward I Would've
Loved You Anyway type of music at the moment as opposed to Real Live Woman
style of music, which was the first single from her previous release.

I would also be interested to know where Real Live Woman, the single, was
charting at the time of the album's release.  Because, it seems like I'm
hearing I Would've Loved You Anyway more than I was hearing Real Live Woman.

It will be interesting to see if this further sparks her current single on
radio.  Because if that song goes top five, this could be just the beginning
for this cd.  There are a couple of even more commercially-inclined (read
'radio friendly') cuts on the cd (a couple that could even crossover).
However, I don't think these follow-up singles stand as good a chance if the
debut single doesn't crack the top twenty.  Of course, she could do like
Patty and refrain from releasing what I believe to be the more 'radio
friendly' tracks on the disc.

DuvallChlban wrote in message
<[email]>...


subject: Re: Trisha #1

text:
Pete wrote in message ...

Pete, I'm not sure that I follow.  Are you suggesting that her competition
is 'crap' or that her cd is 'crap'?


author: Barb May

subject: Re: Jamie Foxx Jokes About Killing 'All The White People' In His New Movie

text:
Dennis M wrote:

Bots have more self-awareness than Ubi -- and more personality too.
--
Barb


author: Ubiquitous

text:
Someone's sockpuppet wrote:

Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.

--
"Admittedly, conservatives give as good as they get.  The difference
 between us and [leftists] is that we can argue as well as inveigh.
 They can only hurl invectives." -- Don Feder


author: Jeff S

subject: Hopkins can move up in weight now.

text:
Now that B-nard has lost again,time for him to move to supermiddleweight
and make a superfight with Jeff"lefthook"Lacy,I really think Hopkins
would get his ass kicked in that fight.But you never know?

J.S


author: Paul Cassel

subject: Re: Hopkins can move up in weight now.

text:
Jeff S wrote:
Lacy would damage Hopkins maybe seriously. I hope this never occurs and
instead B would take his money and retire with dignity. I'm hardly a
Hopkins fan, but I don't wish to see him or anyone hurt.


author: geishaghost

subject: Re: Hopkins can move up in weight now.

text:
i never understood why, when a boxer seems to be fading, the impulse is
to say "move up in weight."  i think that hopkins would just get
hurt--i would feel better if he retired with his brains intact. he has
been a stellar champ, and now i just hope he can move on to the next
phase of his life.


author: GregoryD

subject: Re: Hopkins can move up in weight now.

text:
"Jeff S" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Yeah, when a boxer slows down and loses his reaction speed, the best thing
for him to do is always move up in weight so someone just as fast with even
more punching power can hit him in the head a few times.  Makes perfect
sense.

GregoryD


author: Keith Patrick

subject: Re: Hopkins can move up in weight now.

text:
The man's a month from hitting 41.  The last thing he needs to do right now
is jump in the ring with a young monster like that.  He should take a
farewell cakewalk (and being with Golden Boy now, that should be nooooo
problem) and retire.


author: ScottW

subject: OT:A Chilling Read

text:
http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article19106

 The genocide has spread to 3 countries and still, the UN is incapable
of acting.

 ScottW


author: Eeyore

subject: Re: OT:A Chilling Read

text:
ScottW wrote:

It's perfectly capable of acting.

The problem is that the Sudan government won't let anyone useful go anywhere
near the place and I guess the UN has ruled out a full scale invasion so far.
Talking of which, where would you launch an invasion from ?

Besides, did anyone mention Iraq ?

Graham


subject: Re: OT:A Chilling Read

text:
Eeyore wrote:

 I'd tell Khartoum if they don't allow a UN force in immediately we're
gonna start cruise missiling key gov't buildings and leader personal
residences.  If that doesn't work the UN should mount an invasion
force.   We can support landings from the Red Sea.

ScottW


author: Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

subject: Re: OT:A Chilling Read

text:
ScottW wrote:

"Washington, if you don't allow our troops in, we will bomb the
Capitol, the White House, the Treasury Department, the CIA and FBI
headquarters..."

Can you imagine what toopid would say about that?


subject: Re: OT:A Chilling Read

text:
Eeyore wrote:

Certainly not him!

He couldn't be bothered to serve. And now that he's old and fat,
decrepit and safe, he's a real hawk!

Yessir! You sure need to listen to him! A military genius, I say!;-)


subject: Re: OT:A Chilling Read

text:
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:

 You should be aware that idea of bombing the treasury dept
building was yours....so accusing me of failing to understand the
consequences of your idea....is projection.

 No evidence?   You're a rip'r...remember?  A  guy who
thinks doing NOTHING is meaningful.

 That alone could be considered an assassination attempt and
one might be guilty of some law somewhere.
 Especially troubling would be discrimination laws if you don't treat
all
 despots equally.

 What's the matter?  Your girlfriend has no talent
or just razor sharp teeth?

ScottW


subject: Re: OT:A Chilling Read

text:
Eeyore wrote:

 Coalition of the willing cruise missilers.  Seriously, the world is
sitting idly
by while the greatest atrocity of this decade continues unabated.
This is starting to surpass Rhowanda and if left unchecked will
in the relatively near future.

ScottW

ScottW


subject: Re: OT:A Chilling Read

text:
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:

 Thank-you for your completely racist  and utterly disgusting immoral
refusal to support prevention of genocide.

  ScottW


subject: Re: OT:A Chilling Read

text:
ScottW wrote:

Did I say that? LOL! Moron.

It would seem to me that your proposal would result in more innocent
people dying. I seriously doubt that the clerks in their treasury
department, for example, have much to do with genocidal policies, or
that them getting killed would bother those that are responsible.

Random bombing of beaurocratic offices, etc. may sound like it's 'the
right thing to do' to you, but as we all know, you are a complete moron
incapable of rational thought. Just look at the conclusion you just
leapt to with absolutely no evidence!

You have the nerve to talk about morality, you POS.

Also note that I had no issue with surgical strikes against the homes
of the leadership.

So we are back to 'blow me.'

LOL!

Moron.

________________________________________

toopid (n. Woefully Dense): a pitiful, bigoted, unsuccessful little man
with fatal mental and cognitive issues who is prone to emotional
meltdowns. He cannot distinguish between illogic and emotional appeal.
He tries ever-so-hard to play with the big boys but is unsuccessful in
that, too. PS: He usually jumps to stupid conclusions.


subject: Re: OT:A Chilling Read

text:
ScottW wrote:

A. There's no economic interest at stake.

B. Some of us have current military obligations that make it damned
tough to commit troops.


author: Bret Ludwig

subject: Re: OT:A Chilling Read

text:
ScottW wrote:

 The UN should be moved to a neutral country like Switzerland or
Sweden, or we should give them a decommissioned aircraft carrier with
its screws and reactors removed to anchor in international waters
somewhere. And we should have only a token presence there. It is a
haven for  kleptocrats as it is.

 In Africa the West should, as Luke O'Farrell said, adopt one of two
policies-leave it strictly to itself or recolonize it. The worst,
greediest western regimes would not be as brutal as most of those there
now.


subject: Re: OT:A Chilling Read

text:
ScottW wrote:

Cruise missiles is one thing. Finding an army to invade is another. Who do you
propose ?

Graham


subject: Re: OT:A Chilling Read

text:
ScottW wrote:

"gonna start cruise missiling key gov't buildings"

Please define your "key gov't buildings" then (since you are too dumb
to sense that the Treasury Department was merely an example). Please
define buildings that do not have low-level employees in them, or
perhaps just justify how killing them will do any good.

I find acts of war (as 'cruise missiling' or 'invasions' might be
defined by people with brains) to be very meaningful, toopid.

The fact that you don't shows more than anything that you haven't got a
clue. The fact that you want to pretend to be moral, and then show
disrespect when somebody follows a moral code that you disagree with,
shows better than anything your own utter lack of morals.

Thank you for agreeing with my assessment.

Indeed, it would be an act of war, toopid. But at least it would be
directed against those that are responsible for the atrocities and not
some nameless clerks in a government building.

That's too fine a point for your rather blunt mind.

Duh. No surprise to me that you're against discrimination laws, toopid.

My girlfriend is just fine. Thanks for asking!

I've just found that your wife is better at it. Perhaps it was all of
the practice she got when she was hooking.


author: Lutachris

subject: juncos in the heat

text:
It has been close to 80F here recently- think the juncos will be flying back
north to cool down?


author: bthache

subject: Re: juncos in the heat

text:
They're welcome to come back here but the snow would be just over their
heads now! ;)
I do still have one little song sparrow here all by itself.  It was busy
doing it's little scratch under the feeders most of the day. :)
80ï¿½!!!  I couldn't imagine that at this time of year.  Sounds like a whole
other world.


author: Dave Fouchey

subject: Re: juncos in the heat

text:
They are HERE!!!! At long last the Juncos have arrived, got home from
work this afternoon and there was the plumpest prettiest Junco I have
ever seen scratching through the leaf litter under the feeders.

Snow can't be far behind now!

Dave

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:11:06 -0500, "bthache" <[email]> wrote:


author: Doug

subject: '91' XJ: fluctuating idle when at stop, in gear

text:
The idle in my '91' XJ has been fluctuating by 500 RPM when I'm stopped in
gear (auto trans). If I put the truck in neutral the idle
fluctuation disappears. The auto-trans shifts fine and I recently (within
the last year) refilled the auto trans fluid 4 times (to get out as much of
the old fluid as possible)  w/synthetic auto-trans fluid. Am I looking at
serious problems here?


author: Mike Romain

subject: Re: '91' XJ: fluctuating idle when at stop, in gear

text:
That sounds like a dirty connection on the TPS.  It has a connection to
the tranny.  The plug just gets dirty and can be cleaned with a spray
contact cleaner.  WD40 will work.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Doug wrote:


author: DougW

text:
Doug did pass the time by typing:

Clean your throttle body.
http://members.cox.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html

A little fluctuation is normal, it's caused by either the alternator
or the AC compressor cycling.


text: Thanks Doug. I don't have to remove the throttle body to clean it do I?


text:
Doug did pass the time by typing:

Nope.  Not unless the idle stepper motor is well and truly
clogged, then it's four torx screws to take the idle assembly off.

Just spray into the little slot and with the engine off, open
the butterfly all the way and scrub it and the sides of the TB
with a toothbrush and some cleaner.

All bolts/screws only go to a few inch.lbs so only use a driver
on them, never a ratchet, and only tighten snug, like your putting
a screw into soft metal (which you are). :)

Just remember if you do take the idle assembly off, do not pull
the pintle out, that's a "bad thing".  Also don't run the engine
(or turn the engine on) with the stepper motor out and
connected, the pintle will go flying.


author: Yellow Dog

subject: FA: Williams Sinistar Project Team TShirt on EBay

text:
Well, I have finally decided to part with my Sinistar team tshirt.
Alas, I will never be an L in tshirt sizes again.

This tshirt was given to me by the Sinistar team when I worked at
Williams in 1983. The whole story is given in the EBay listing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160318241071

I am also auctioning off an XArcade TankStick in a separate auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=160318232669

Of course I would pick the night that they do the upgrade to the KLOV
boards .... : (

If it ain't broke....you ain't playin' with it hard enough!

[To Email Replies Remove the nospam from the address]


author: SalahiAndSon

subject: Re: Williams Sinistar Project Team TShirt on EBay

text:
Neat!
 : )

"Yellow Dog" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: x

text:
Love the underarm stains! Tell me it hasn't ever been washed.

ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=160318232669


author: Joe M

text:
I ended up getting his Bubbles design team t-shirt when he ebay'ed that one
last year.  The Bubbles is close to brand new.  They must have changed size
measurements over the years.  I take a large size t-shirt in stores now, but
that one is a size large and it's too small.  Oh well.  Anyone want a
Bubbles design team t-shirt in a large size that's really probably a medium
by today's standards?  I'd sell it for what I got it for (I'd need to look
that up).

By the way, the seller was very nice and easy to deal with.  So don't worry
about that if you are interested in the Sinistar T.

Joe ([email])
[email]

"Yellow Dog" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: WEade

text:
Actually, they have changed sizes over the years.  What used to be a large
is now a medium.  With people being "bigger" than before, they changed the
standard so people don't feel so bad for their weight.  My mom was also
telling me it is the same in women's sizes.  That way, a woman can say she
was a size 10 in high school and is still that size, even though a 10 today
is like a 14 years ago.

Bill

"Joe M" <[email]> wrote in message
news:NjFpl.8226$[email]...


author: ChrisRobin

subject: OT: LIBOR scandal, biggest financial crime in history?

text:
Can't believe no one's posted anything about the LIBOR scandal that's
slowly being unraveled across the pond. Just when you thought the
mortgage/MBS scandal was the worst the banksters could manage, they one-up
themselves:

"As the investigation into the LIBOR interest rate-rigging in the United
Kingdom becomes a financial scandal of tsunami-like proportions, some
analysts are openly wondering whether 16 of the world's largest banks have
perpetrated the biggest fraud in history.

"With the public coming round to the global significance of banks
potentially colluding like a cartel to favourably set the LIBOR, those
same analysts predict lawsuits worth tens of billions being brought
against the Western world's largest financial institutions by average
consumers.

"Early analysis suggests that for a period of several years before and
after the 2008 financial crisis, the London interbank offered rate (LIBOR)
was manipulated to such an extent that a family with a $100,000 mortgage
would have been $50 to $100 worse off a month because of the fixing."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2172377/LIBOR-scandal-rocks-US-experts-warn-biggest-consumer-fraud-history.html#ixzz20RU3XtcE

Karl Denninger at market-ticker.org estimates the damage to be roughly
$500 billion in the United States alone:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=208502


author: chandler

subject: Re: OT: LIBOR scandal, biggest financial crime in history?

text:
On Jul 12 2012 5:49 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Chandler


author: O-PGManager

text:
On Jul 12 2012 5:49 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

Seriously Chris?  Aside from me and Mo (who is completely preoccupied with
his hero Republican nominee) who's radar do you think would have even
registered on?

Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)


text:
On Jul 12 2012 3:49 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2172377/LIBOR-scandal-rocks-US-experts-warn-biggest-consumer-fraud-history.html#ixzz20RU3XtcE

most manipulations were the other way.  they lied about rates to pretend
their banks weren't in trouble.

mo_ntresor


author: VegasJerry

text:
On Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:49:41 PM UTC-7, ChrisRobin wrote:

These wing nuts love Wall Street. They love seeing their property values plummet and their IRA get ripped off. While I was marching against Wall Street, these fools had no clue as to why. They're still as clueless as Wall Street is regulation-less.

Jerry


text:
On Jul 12 2012 11:48 PM, O-PGManager wrote:

Hope springs eternal.


text:
On Jul 12 2012 9:48 PM, O-PGManager wrote:

cnbc comes through the cable in mom's basement.  it's pretty slick!

mo_ntresor


text:
On Jul 12 2012 6:01 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:

I've seen that idea suggested, but it still doesn't make any sense to me ï¿½
their accounting is total make believe anyway. Why waste a perfectly good
revenue stream when you're already cooking the books so systematically?

I read that the primary purpose of the manipulation was to improve their
derivative positions. I took that to mean this was another vehicle for
fleecing their municipal and pension clients via interest rate swaps,
etc... but admittedly, I'm still wrapping my head around the mechanics of
this one.


text:
On Jul 12 2012 4:01 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2172377/LIBOR-scandal-rocks-US-experts-warn-biggest-consumer-fraud-history.html#ixzz20RU3XtcE

.. and believe me, the same regulators who missed peregrine (AFTER
corzine's mf fucking) knew about the rate manipulations, likely encouraged
them.

mo_ntresor


text:
On Thursday, July 12, 2012 5:21:23 PM UTC-7, bratt wrote:

Does this mean you're in agreement? Or you just generally stalking me again?

Jerry


author: bratt

text:
On Jul 12 2012 5:06 PM, VegasJerry wrote:

plummet and their IRA get
clue as to why. They're

LOL

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator, rec.gambling.poker
Whose stated mission is to call out the Asses on RGP


text:
On Jul 12 2012 6:06 PM, VegasJerry wrote:

plummet and their IRA get

Yeah, Jerry is no fan of wall street whores.....
http://influenceexplorer.com/industry/securities-investment/0af3f418f426497e8bbf916bfc074ebc?cycle=-1

Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)


text:
On Jul 13 2012 12:37 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

Maybe this will help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEQldSi-heE

Chandler


text:
On Jul 12 2012 6:03 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:

them.

No doubt. I saw something yesterday that indicated The Fed "knew" about
this whole scheme as early as 2007, but it's hard to imagine something
like this being carried out without their full and active participation.


text:
On Jul 13 2012 10:33 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:

here's the peregrine suicide note:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/full-pfg-ceo-suicide-note

he's going to wish he'd died.

mo_ntresor


text:
On Jul 13 2012 10:33 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:

it's not a conspiracy theory.  they absolutely knew, 100% guaranteed.
they needed the banks to stabilize, and an artificially low libor was a
simple way to fake it.  there were tons of articles at the time.

mo_ntresor


text:
On Jul 13 2012 3:18 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:

Yep. Hey, maybe he'll do Corzine's time, too!


text:
On Jul 13 2012 1:57 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

corzine's going to blame that o'brien lady til he's blue in the sweater
vest.  anybody who knows anything about back office operations knows she's
an absolute flunky, doing nothing but what she's told to do.

mo_ntresor


author: Zeppo

subject: WWII German Bayonet

text:
Sigh.  My grandfather just gave me his personal German bayonet from WWII
and it's got several big rust spots on it.  Groan.  There's also some white
corrosion inside the metal sheath.  I'd like to recover it, but I don't
know if I can.  Does anybody have any suggestions?  Should I remove the
rust with sandpaper?  And if so, how do I get it to look black again?  It's
got a really nice black sheen on the non-rusted parts.

slightly depressed.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: WWII German Bayonet

text:
Zeppo <[email]> wrote:

Oil and steel wool on the steel parts. :)
(I don't know what the white-corrosion's source metal is)

Just got done restoring an old, small, high quality, been laying
outside in the desert for well over 20 years, vise with steel wool
and carburator cleaner.  Carb cleaner seems like it cuts the rust
better than anything I've ever used short of phosphoric acid (which
I didn't want to use on this, that would make it look too new;)

For guns with bluing still on them, it's steel wool and oil or
WD-40.  Bayonets? ...don't know! ;)  You decide, but just about
anything is going to be better than sand paper, ok? :)

The vise has 1+3/8" wide jaws and-
 "Modern"
  "M741"
"MILW WIS"

It's soooo cool! :)

The bench-clamp is broken, so I'm going to modify it for bolt-on
(which is the way I'da prefered it anyway;).

Alvin in AZ


author: Andy Dingley

subject: Re: WWII German Bayonet

text:
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:45:09 -0600, Zeppo <[email]> wrote:

I'm assuming this is one of the commonplace Kar98 bayonets, not
anything rare or valuable.

Don't even think about touching it.  German bayonets have particularly
deep bluing and _ANY_ mechanical cleaning is going to ruin this. You
will not be able to reproduce the bluing with a cold-blue kit from a
gunshop.

There's also a problem with these bayonets in that the scabbard
retention clips are particularly tight and they will rub the bluing
off themselves  (this may be how your rust started).

There are ways to improve things, but you shouldn't start out trying
to learn them on this piece.  Restore a lot of rusty old steel before
you even think about working on a piece with some personal attachment.
If you need to, buy another couple of these bayonets from eBay
(they're cheap, and you can re-sell them afterwards) and practice on
those.

Secondly, what can we tell you without even seeing a picture ?  Can
you put some up on the web ?

As a technique for de-rusting, I'd use wet pad electrolysis. I would
never "rub it with sandpaper", especially not for one of this pattern
(you have to look after that bluing).


author: Greyangel

subject: Re: WWII German Bayonet

text:
If you're after restoration, I think you'd be better off to worry about
getting the rust off then you can touch up the bluing with a cold blue
material afterward.  Start with a really fine paper (or steel wool) and get
only as aggressive as needed.

GA

<[email]> wrote in message news:cm8rd0$rrc$[email]...
white
It's


subject: Re: WWII German Bayonet

text:
Andy Dingley <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

Couldn't tell you.  You can look at it though.  see below...

<snip>

I don't know why I didn't think of posting a picture.  It's a good idea.
You can take a look at the knife at www.garyandsusan.com/knives.html.  It
does have a very deep bluing.  That's why I'm concerned about messing
with it.  All I've done is soak it in oil in the hopes that it will
arrest the rust.

You're right about the scabbard clips too.  You can see in the pictures
where they have scraped the bluing off.

And I've never heard of wet-pad electrolysis.  Is it the same process as
described here http://www.rowand.net/Shop/Tech/Electrolysis.htm?  How
well does it work?  Does it change the composition of the metal where the
rust is?

g


author: Chas

subject: Re: WWII German Bayonet

text:
"Zeppo" <[email]> wrote

Nice photos- very slick

Take a popsicle stick and trim the end to a chisel- let the rust catch some
oil, and scrape the major detritus off with the stick. A typewriter eraser-
just a little abrasive, and you can sharpen the point to work tight. Wrap
the end of a pencil with #(4)0 steel wool (4 ought) and rub lightly.
The leather is valuable- light leather dressing, no oil, no saddlesoap.

Don't worry- it's expected.
That rust comes from a very toxic source- wonder what it is?

Chas


subject: Re: WWII German Bayonet

text:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 21:13:45 -0600, Zeppo <[email]> wrote:

Thanks for the pictures.

Nice to see that you still have the frog - they're much rarer than the
bayonets.

Hmm - bright orange rust. That means it's fresh, and produced by
something particularly corrosive. Fortunately it's fairly limited in
extent.

Same process, different arrangement. More description over here:
http://www.htpaa.org.au/article-electro.php
I've posted on the subject a few times too - other newsgroups.

You use a wet pad when there's a wooden grip, brass fitting or
something that doesn't want to be immersed. It's important to not let
the pad dry out. You can also use a partial dip technique, but that
can leave a visible line  (re-hang the piece every few hours and move
it around a bit.)

I have a de-rusting tank sitting ready near-permanently, mainly for
woodworking tools. I usually have enough of a queue to always have
something waiting to go in.  It's in the conservatory between the
kitchen and the workshop, so every time I stop for a brew it's an
excuse to go and fiddle with it.

As your bayonet has the plastic grips, then you should just be able to
immerse it without any trouble.

Incredibly well. It can take days sometimes, but the effects are
really good.

No, it only affects rust. This is the great advantage - you just leave
things in as long as you can be bothered - the process is
self-limiting when the rust has gone.

Rust is oxidised iron. Black rust is slighly oxidised, orange rust is
more oxidised (ferric and ferrous oxides). Typical brown rust is a mix
of the two.  The electrolytic process reduces these oxides back to the
less-oxidised state, then to iron.  As it works, a black powder is
produced. The surface turns black, then eventually becomes metallic. I
usually scrub it (wet) under the tap, using a fine 3M plastic abrasive
pad (pan scourer type). You'll see a _lot_ of this black powder coming
off.

The freshly cleaned surface is very "active" it needs to be dried
IMMEDIATELY, and protected against rusting with a wipe of WD40 or
similar.

This electrolytic process is just about the least damaging from the
steel's point of view. I prefer it to citric acid soaking.  It can't
"replace" missing steel, so you may still see some pitting, but it
does the best it can.

Steel rusts - it always needs something doing to it to preserve it.
Stopping at the black stage is quite a good way of achieving this -
not unlike a gunsmith's "browned" finish.  A coat of Renaissance Wax
afterwards is about the best preservative treatment. I'm inclined to
leave it in this condition and not even try to restore the bluing.

THE THING YOU WANT TO KEEP GOES ON THE negative (black) TERMINAL

THE THING ON THE positive (red) TERMINAL GETS EATEN AWAY


subject: Re: WWII German Bayonet

text:
"Chas" <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

There's no telling.  My grandfather is 85 years old, mostly blind, and
doesn't care for his stuff.  The last time I looked at it at his house a
few months ago it was in fine shape.  This time I find it like this,
sitting next to the scabbard instead of inside it.  So it was apparently
used for something, but I couldn't guess what.  sigh...

g


subject: Re: WWII German Bayonet

text:
"Zeppo" <[email]> wrote

yeah- and displaying war trophies has become a bit out of fashion in many
circles.

Looks like 'poking in a drain' to me- fats, a little drano- some crap to
make it stipple.

Chas


author: "Audrey"

subject: Burns Night

text:
I'm planning a Burns supper next year (yeah, I'm planning ahead - less than
70 sleeps till Christmas, I'm told). Can anybody pass on what happens at a
Burns night, apart from haggis and bagpipes, or are there any websites that
are useful? For those that have done this, is there anything in particular
that went down really well?

Ta

Audrey


author: bagpip

subject: Re: Burns Night

text:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:59:18 +1000, "Audrey" <scotiablue at optusnet
dot com dot au> wrote:

After the above comes whiskey, and so far nobodys ever been able to
remember much else after that.


author: John McCain

subject: Re: Burns Night

text:
"Audrey" <[email] dot au> wrote:

Hi Audrey,

Check this out:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=burns+night

Best, John


author: Chelsea Christenson

subject: Re: Which books did you hate and still hate?

text:
Janet Myers wrote:

No, but I saw the movie, which I liked.  Presumably the book will be
richer and more enjoyable, since that's the way these things usually
work.


author: Kay Dekker

text:
Chelsea Christenson <[email]> writes:
[_Cold Comfort Farm_]

Oh yes, definitely. _CCF_ is among the books I'd
have to take to my Desert Island. The sequels are
less strong - not hard, with _CCF_ being such a
tour de force - but still very funny. I think I first
read it when I was eight, and I still re-read it every
couple of years.

Kay, who took a few years to realise that porridge is
not normally cooked in snoods


author: H Schinske

text:
[email] wrote:

Sequels? *blink* There are sequels to _Cold Comfort Farm_? Tell us more.

--Helen


author: Ann Burlingham

text:
H Schinske wrote:

Abebooks.com and the Library of Congress catalog came up with
_Christmas at Cold Comfort Farm and other stories_ and
_Conference at Cold Comfort Farm_. It's not clear to me if any of
the other titles would be sequels.


text:
[email] (H Schinske) writes:

Well, there's _Return to Cold Comfort Farm_ - I think
that's the one with the aeroplane... and I'm fairly
sure there's another, but my brain is full of 'flu.

Kay, who's offline or he'd go a-hunting


author: Patrick Rose

subject: Sell Individually or as a Set? Prestige Mint Sets.

text:
Thinking about how to sell on EBay a complete set of Prestige Proof Sets.
Sell as a set or individually, which is likely to realize higher bid/bids,
minus listing and paypal fees? Insight welcome. Are buyers looking for a
lower price with a complete set or a premium to pay for the completeness?
TIA

patrick


author: Jeff Landon

subject: Re: Sell Individually or as a Set? Prestige Mint Sets.

text:
I would definitely recommend selling them separately.  I think most people
who are looking for Prestige sets aren't looking for a whole set -- they
want to buy one or two years.

If someone wants to buy multiple sets, they can place multiple bids.

I would also recommend that you offer to combine lots for multiple wins --
meaning that if someone wins more than one auction, they get a break on the
shipping.  This way, you'll attract multi-auction bidders.

Good luck!

--Jeff (L.)

"Patrick Rose" <[email]> wrote in message
news:P5emc.5531$[email]...


author: Cliff

text:
"Patrick Rose" <[email]> wrote:

Sell them individually.  I have gaps in some years and I'd buy one or
two but not a run.  You'd probably make out better doing the
individual thing.
Cliff


text:
Speaking as a buyer I see the argument both ways. IF I was on ebay and stumbled
onto your complete set I'd probably go ahead and bid on the entire set.....IF I
had the $$, Maybe even overbidding or over paying to save myself the hassle and
aggrevation of having to hunt down the sets one by one.
But the simple fact is, Not everyone has the money to buy all the sets at once
so selling them as a complete set would really narrow down your bidders pool.

On the other hand like the others have said, Most bidders are only looking for
1 or 2 sets to fill their gaps. It may take you longer to sell every set, Some
will go quick some you may even have to relist 2 or 3 times over depending on
bidder traffic. Some weeks seems like nobody bids and then all of the sudden
everyone is fighting over things nobody wanted the week before.

I don't know about fees or anything though, I only buy. I've never sold.
Steve


author: WinWinscenario

text:
I completely agree.  Some of the sets are worth very little, a couple command a
big premium.  If you sell them as a group, you usually get buyers who will just
give you money for the key sets and lump in the common ones.  Selling
individually you get some money for the common sets.

Regards,
Tom


text:
Might be a good time to point out that the 1996 set greysheet bid
broke the $400 barrier...finally.

Dondi3


text:
Every special issue the Mint made in 1996 has been soaring lately except for my
personal favorite, the 1996-W dime.

Regards,
Tom


author: Shane Penney

subject: Here's a REAL DVD release

text:
I wish KISS would attempt something like this. If Maiden can do it,
and still release decent albums, so can KISS.

The full contents of IRON MAIDEN: THE EARLY DAYS are -

Documentaries (115 min)
The Early Years  90 minute Feature Documentary
20th Century Box  Heavy Metal (1980)  25 minute feature.

Live At The Rainbow  1981 (35 mins)
Ides Of March
Wrathchild
Killers
Remember Tomorrow
Transylvania
Phantom Of The Opera
Iron Maiden

Live At Hammersmith 1982 - Beast On The Road (45 mins)
Murders in The Rue Morgue
Run to The Hills
Children Of The Damned
Number Of The Beast
22 Acacia Avenue
Total Eclipse
The Prisoner
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Iron Maiden

Live at Rock & Pop Festival 1983 Dortmund - World Piece Tour (35 mins)
Sanctuary
The Trooper
Revelations
Flight Of Icarus
22 Acacia Avenue
Number Of The Beast
Run To The Hills

Live at The Ruskin Arms  1980 (40 mins)
Sanctuary
Wrathchild
Prowler
Remember Tomorrow
Running Free
Transylvania
Another Life
Phantom Of The Opera
Charlotte the Harlot

Extras (40 mins)
Live on Top Of the Pops  Running Free and Women In Uniform

Live on Rock and Pop  Germany TV  Running Free
Promo videos  Women In Uniform / Run To The Hills / Number Of The Beast/
Flight Of Icarus / The Trooper

Rare and unseen Photo gallery featuring over 150 pictures and images

Full tour listings/ Discography/Tour programmes and artwork galleries.


author: FormerLeeWarmer

subject: Who Cares

text:
There is nothing Kiss can put out now, other than an album of previously
unreleased material, that I would consider buying. I've even lost interest
in a set of classic concert DVD's, thanks to the internet I've seen the
shows that most excited me. Gene really missed the boat on that one.

Anyhow the rock music scene is better now than it has been in years, bands
like The Donnas, Bowling for Soup and Green Day all releasing cracking
albums recently.
Sadly Kiss are an irrelevance in 2004.


author: Jackmac

subject: Re: Here's a REAL DVD release

text:
~~snip~~

To be fair to them, they have always been good with releases.  They always
put new track on the b-side of singles and also added unreleased stuff to
CDs.  Not just re-hashing the same old stuff.  Fair play to them.  I saw
them quite a few times in the 80s and 90s - great live band!  I agree, KISS
could take a leaf out of their book as far as releases go.


author: THE SPACE BOSS

subject: Re: Here's a REAL DVD release

text:
HOW COME NO TRACK'S FROM THERE BEST ALBUM, "POWERSLAVE"???

I'd probably buy this if it had some powerslave tracks. You know, I'm the kind
of guy who really WANTS to like things, especially getting into a new band with
a huge back catalog to explore. So I tried to like Iron Maiden, but could just
never get into them. Of course this was around 1986, so perhaps things have
changed now.

Back then, I was heavily into punk rock with only some metal (like Black
Sabbath), and I had some friends who were a bit younger than me who were
totally into metal and listened to Iron Maiden, Judas priest, DIO, etc.... and
I never really could get into any of that, but I DO remember being quite fond
of "Powerslave", so I'm assuming this is thier best album. Does Iron maiden
have like a box set, or something?

"Know the past, control the present, and guide the future"


subject: Re: Here's a REAL DVD release

text:
I think that "The Trooper" was of Iron Maiden's best work

In article <cl8g4i$1qj$[email]>, [email] says...


author: Fredrick Garvin

subject: Re: Who Cares

text:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:52:31 +0100, FormerLeeWarmer wrote:

 Agreed.

Yup, sad indeed.....


subject: Re: Who Cares

text:
I though you only used this name when posting to the ALice cooper newsgroup.

You slipped...

:)


subject: Re: Here's a REAL DVD release

text:
THE SPACE BOSS <[email]> wrote:

This DVD set was Volume I. Volume II comes out next year.

Shane


subject: Re: Here's a REAL DVD release

text:
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:23:56 -0400, steveh99 wrote:

Great tune!


author: howie feltersnatch

subject: Re: Here's a REAL DVD release

text:
i am not a maiden fan but this is worth the bucks but maiden hammersmith is
only 45 mins, full broadcast was 90 odd mins on laserdisc !!

"steveh99" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


subject: Re: Here's a REAL DVD release

text:
Oh, ok well thanks

"Know the past, control the present, and guide the future"


subject: Re: Here's a REAL DVD release

text:
still love live after death and powerslave, i can1t stand them now but
thought they peaked in 85.

"Fredrick Garvin" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


subject: YZ has Changed : Fulla Lumps

text:
peep the video on launch.com

dude in atlanta looking like jd
what you think

peace 2deph


author: Kuahmel Allah

subject: Re: YZ has Changed : Fulla Lumps

text:
dude in atlanta looking like jd <<<

Same rusty grill and the whole shot?
--Kuahmel Allah, Los Angeles
"LOS ANGELES!!!"--Krondon
"For God's sake, eat a burger!!!"--Calista Flockhart
"I rep for the hood!!!"--RossAndersen


author: Keepin' it Gangsta' (but properly punctuated

subject: Re: YZ has Changed : Fulla Lumps

text:
2deph <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

What happened to their shitty Beatles album?


author: pallaver

subject: Finals of WUCC downloads?

text:
So I still can't stream off http://www.strizna.cz without
having to wait for it to buffer - anybody know of a site
where I can download the men's and women's final?

Thanks, NP


author: tony leonardo

subject: Re: Finals of WUCC downloads?

text:
It appears to be a QT file to me and I've been trying to
download it but no luck so far. However, I have been able to
wait out the buffer and its been fine. On a MacBook Pro,
circa 2009.

The Strizna guys told me they will keep the videos up for
some time (1-2 months) and then after that will produce a
DVD of it, so maybe then.

Or some hacker out there can break the code and make the
videos available.

And of course there is also UltiVillage which will likely
have part of the keys games downloadable with commentary
from my Blockstack.tv compatriot Tom Styles (who did 2008
Vancouver as well)


author: Appleby

subject: Re: Finals of WUCC downloads?

text:
It's stored as a .asf file.

Upon looking at the source code, the link is here:
http://archiv.strizna.cz/akc_0000000216.asf

If you don't know how to download this link, you can use a
downloader. There's many of those programs available online
for free.

Note that the file is 1.2 Gb.


subject: Re: Finals of WUCC downloads?

text:
If you use Firefox, follow these directions:

http://inner.geek.nz/archives/2005/05/15/howto-save-nearly-any-multimedia-file-in-your-web-browser-to-your-hard-drive/

Takes forever though- Open finals took like 6-7 hours to
download.


subject: Re: Finals of WUCC downloads?

text:
Easier way - just use the links I posted above and right
click "Save Link as" (or "Save Target As" for IE users)


subject: Re: Finals of WUCC downloads?

text:
Whoops, to be more specific, the link I posted above is the
Women's final.

Master's: http://archiv.strizna.cz/akc_0000000215.asf
Mix: http://archiv.strizna.cz/akc_0000000217.asf
Men's: http://archiv.strizna.cz/akc_0000000218.asf


author: zwk

subject: ISO VHS Letterman Sept. 8

text:
I'm looking for a VHS Monday night's wonderful tribute to Warren
Zevon, needless to say I watched but did not tape.
Although I am able to trade I would prefer to send a blank tape and
have a copy sent back - something of the sort.

Thank you,

ZWK

"Enjoy Every Sandwhich" - Warren Zevon

"The only thing we knew for sure about Henry Porter was that his name
wasn't Henry Porter" - Bob Dylan


subject: Re: ISO VHS Letterman Sept. 8

text:
it's being played again tonight..wednesday,9/10 on VH1...the commercial said
'prime-time'..you can tape it yourself


subject: Re: ISO VHS Letterman Sept. 8

text:
ooops....i saw VH and my mind went to the vh1 special that is airing again
tonight...
sorry...no info on the letterman show.


subject: Re: ISO VHS Letterman Sept. 8

text:
[email] (Cpyle4bob) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Thanks so much!


author: Daniel Wendel

subject: Solo at the Academy

text:
Hi, all:
	I've noticed several people allude to the fact that Han was in the
Imperial Academy for a while.  I know this came up in the Zahn novels, but
Zahn's "canonicity," if you'll excuse the term, is dubious at best.
	Was there origonally another source for this idea, or is it solely
the product of Zahn's imagination?  Anyone???  Bets???

Daniel

P.S.  Sorry if this post is duplicated, but my newsreader's giving me crap
today...


author: Zia McVay

subject: Re: Solo at the Academy

text:
Daniel Wendel ([email]) wrote:

: Hi, all:
: 	I've noticed several people allude to the fact that Han was in the
: Imperial Academy for a while.  I know this came up in the Zahn novels, but
: Zahn's "canonicity," if you'll excuse the term, is dubious at best.
: 	Was there origonally another source for this idea, or is it solely
: the product of Zahn's imagination?  Anyone???  Bets???

	This snippet of Han's past, like many of the other ideas in his
books, was probably taken from the WEG material.  It is also mentioned
in Dark Empire.  Where it originally came from is anyones guess, but
its reasonable enough that I'll buy into it without losing hair over
whether its "canon" or not.

				-Zia McVay
				[email]


author: Gallandro

subject: Re: Solo at the Academy

text:
In article <2c0v1p$[email]>, [email] (Daniel Wendel) writes...

It's a pretty well established fact unless you're a "movies ONLY are
canon" type.  Lucas himself has said Han was in the Academy, although his
version of why Han was discharged is slightly different from the more
common story.  Brian Daley was the one who created the story about how Han
was kicked out for helping to free some Wookiee slaves, but he is
vague about details.  It was Daley's version that was then expanded upon by
West End Games for their sourcebook.  Zahn, in turn, took it from West End
Games.  Since any new books that come out now use WEG material as their base,
Han's past is a canonical base for anything you'll see written about the
years following ROTJ.

--Gallandro

    "Reality, it's not for me, and it makes me laugh.
    Fantasy world, and Disney girls, I'm coming back."    --The Beach Boys


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Solo at the Academy

text:
In article <2c0v1p$[email]>, [email] (Daniel Wendel) writes:
I have Han Solo adventure books and Han's Academy days are referred to in here
as well in fact these books state his outfit is a striped down emipirial uniform


author: Ed Williamson

subject: Re: Solo at the Academy

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Zia McVay) writes:

Actually, the earliest that I saw Han's time in the Academy mentioned was in the
Han Solo trilogy, where they also explain the stripes on his pants legs as being
Blood Stripes(?), which are given to only the best of the best pilots.

                                           scw


author: Fadin Fast

subject: Re: Star Wars Episode III - Fall of the Republic - Story treatment verification please

text:
Gene,

I checked out your story treatment.  Most of it, considering the time frame
that is set with names such as Senator Palpatine, seems to pertain to
Episode One.  The story of the Kaiburr Crystal is not all that new and the
fact that Anakin was disfigured and forced to adapt the breath screen and
life support apparatus of Darth Vader when Obi Wan accidentally knocks him
into a pit of molten lava during a battle is not new either.

Based on the discrepencies between your story treatement and what we know so
far of Episode One, as well as the fact that Lucas hadn't began seriously
writing Episode One let alone Episode Three until Sept of 94, (I'd consider
the opening title sequence "serious writing" considering the other opening
sequences were some of the last thing written in the original trilogy), my
guess would be that this was a draft for an unreleased novel or even more
likely a comic book.  None-the-less, you do have somewhat of an artifact on
your hand considering that it is an original copy.

Finally, if it were infact a plan for a movie (we do know that Lucas had
every intention of writing not only the 3 prequels but the 3 sequels as well
in 1984 when you purchased you story treatment) I find it extremely hard to
believe that he would "outsource" any of the creativity container therein.
Lucas would have written this all himself were he truly considering using
this material for Episode Three.

As for the value, I'm sorry, I have absolutely no idea.

Just my opinion...

Check out my website at
http://members.home.net/jonbigelow

Gene Schenberg wrote in message ...


author: Pszemol

subject: Shrimps larvae - molting

text:
Anybody knows how often Lysmata Amboinensis larvae molts?

When should I expect first molting after releasing
larvae to the water column by their mother shrimp?

Adult Lysmata molts every other week - I would assume
a fraction of this time for the larvae - have you got
any more precise info about shrimp larvae molting?


author: Claudio Cauchi

subject: Re: Shrimps larvae - molting

text:
I've read that the larvae will molt very frequently in the first week
of their life. I can't remember exactly how many times. try a search
in this group on breeding shrimp. A number of interesting threads were
built up in the past years. I am trying to breed shrimp as
well(Palaemon elegans) and I found these threads very helpful.
Hope I've been of some help & Good luck with your shrimp.
PS. have you ever been succesful in rearing the larvae to adults?
if yes, would you please reply with a summary of the setup, water
chemistry, food etc used?
Klaws


subject: Re: Shrimps larvae - molting

text:
"Claudio Cauchi" <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...

Thanks.

No, this is my first attempt.


subject: F117/F16/Predator parts  on Ebay

text:
Parts of shoot down F117/F16 and Predator  on Ebay,
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14050&item=6521532212&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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