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Rec.Models.Rockets FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions): PART 1 OF 14

GENERAL INFORMATION

This portion of the r.m.r FAQ is maintained by Buzz McDermott, at
[email]. Comments, criticisms, suggestions and corrections
for this section should be sent to that email address.

1.1  What, exactly, is a 'model rocket' versus a 'high power' rocket?  Where do
     liquid fueled and homemade rocket motors fit in?  What about amateur
     rockets?

   'Model', 'high power', 'advanced', and 'amateur' are all terms which have
   many definitions, depending to whom you are speaking. In r.m.r., and in the
   FAQ documents, the definitions (if any) accepted by the NFPA, National
   Association of Rocketry, and Tripoli High Power Rocketry Association are
   used. If these definitions conflict the NAR definition is used.

   'Model rockets' are rockets that conform to the guidelines and restrictions
   defined in the NFPA 1122 document. These rockets weigh less than 1500
   grams, contain less than 125 grams of total fuel, have no motor with
   more than 62.5 grams of fuel or more than 160 NS of total impulse, use
   only pre-manufactured, solid propellant motors, and do not use metal
   body tubes, nose cones or fins. One inconsistency with this is the
   CPSC definition of a model rocket motor, which by their definition must
   contain no more than 80NS total impulse. NFPA document 1127-94 contains
   the most complete definition of a model rocket and the model rocket safety
   code. This is the same safety code as adopted by the NAR.

   'Large Model Rockets' is a term used in the FAA FAR 101 regulations.  It
   refers to NAR/NFPA model rockets that are between 454 and 1500 grams
   (1 to 3.3 pounds) total liftoff weight or contains more than 113 grams
   but less than 125 grams of total fuel.

   'High power rockets' are rockets that exceed the total weight, total
   propellant or single motor total impulse restrictions of model rockets,
   but otherwise conform to the same guidelines for construction materials
   and pre-manufactured, commericially made rocket motors. High power rockets
   also allow the use of metal structural components where such a material
   is necessary to insure structural integrity of the rocket. High power
   rockets have no total weight limits, but do have a single motor limit of
   no more than O power (40,960NS maximum total impulse) and have a total
   power limitation of 81,920NS total impulse. NFPA document 1127-1985 contains
   the most complete definition of a high power rocket and also the high power
   rocketry safety code. This safety code has been adopted by both the NAR
   and TRA. Metal bodied rockets are allowed by NFPA 1127 where metal is
   required to insure structural integrity of the rocket over all of its
   anticipated flight.

   'Amateur' rockets covers all other non-professional rockets that do not
   meet the criteria for model or high power rockets. This includes metal
   bodied rockets, liquid or hybrid fueled rockets, and rockets with any
   type of homemade rocket motor.

   'Experimental' rockets is an ambiguous term.  In the early 1980's it
   was used (reportedly coined by the magazine 'California Rocketry') to
   describe rockets that exceeded the model rocket limit at that time (1
   pound total liftoff weight and no motor above F power).  More recently,
   it has been used by the Tripoli Rocketry Association to describe the
   class of rockets that use pre-manufactured solid or hybrid rocket
   motors but that do not qualify as high power rockets.  This includes
   metal bodied rockets and those with more than 80,000NS of total
   power.

   'HPR-lite' is not any type of 'official' rocket designation but has been
   used to refer to rockets that exceed the old NFPA model rocket limit of
   1 pound but still qualify as NFPA model rocket under current guidelines.
   These rockets typically use E through G power and are built with much
   the same techniques as high power rockets.  This term originated in the
   internet 'rec.models.rockets' newsgroup. It should be noted that this
   term refers to legal model rockets, not any type of high power rocket,
   and might therefore be misleading to many. The term 'Large Model Rocket'
   should be used instead.

   Another term that has no formal definition but is more and more being
   used in the literature is 'hobby rocketry'. This term includes both
   model and high power rockets, but excludes amateur rockets. The
   term 'consumer rocketry' has also been used, and means the same thing.

   The term 'non-professional rocketry' encompasses all forms of model,
   high power and amateur rocketry.

   Finally, the editor of this document wishes to get on his soapbox for
   just one moment and add the term 'stupid rocketry' to cover all those
   who attempt to casually produce their own rocket fuel and/or motors
   without the benefit of very serious study, and implementation, of the
   processes involved and safety measures required. Especially note
   that this comment is NOT aimed at serious amateur rocketry
   organizations, college level research, etc. End of soapbox.
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1.2  NFPA, FAA, DOT, ... Who are all these organizations and how do they
      affect the rocketry hobby?

    DOT   (Dept. of Transportation) regulates shipping of rocket motors and
          reloads.
    CPSC  (Consumer Products Safety Commission) regulates what may and not
          be sold as a 'consumer' items at the retail level.
    FAA   (Federal Aviation Administration) is responsible for airspace
          control and regulates flights of rockets that exceed 1 pound and
          enter FAA regulated airspace.
    NFPA  (National Fire Protection Association) makes recommendations for
          use of non-professional rocket motors. Although the NFPA only
          makes recommendations, most state and local laws concerning the
          use of model rockets are based, at least in part, on NFPA
          recommendations; especially NFPA 1122.  The NFPA also has a draft
          definition and safety code for High Power rockets, NFPA 1127.
    BATF  (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco  and Firearms) has responsibility for
          regulations concerning storage and use of explosives. This agency
          has taken a recent interest in looking into how high power rocket
          motors are stored and used.
    ATC   (Air Traffic Control) You must notify the nearest FAA ATC center
          prior to flying Large Model Rockets or High Power Rockets.
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1.3    What is the current legal status of model and high power rocketry in the
       U.S.?

   A. FAA Regulations:
      * Rockets containing less than 113 grams of total fuel and weigh
        less and one (1) pound do not require any type of FAA notification
        and are not restricted by the FAA except where they pose a threat
        to aircraft.
      * FAA "large model rockets" (see the definition in #1, above)
        require that the nearest Air Traffic Control center (ATC) be
        notified of the launch between 24 and 48 hours prior to the
        launch. This is notification and not permission. In the U.S., try
        calling 1-800-WX-BRIEF to get the number of the ATC center nearest
        you.
      * FAA High power rockets (weighing more than 3.3 pounds, containing
        HPR motors, or containing a total of more than 125 grams of
        fuel) require a formal waiver be approved by the FAA and activated
        prior to the launch. Refer to the full r.m.r FAQ (dated 1 Oct 94
        or later) for more complete details.
      * NOTE THAT THE FAA DOES NOT PLACE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON FUEL-PER-
        MOTOR OTHER THAN THE TOTAL LIMIT OF FUEL. HOWEVER, MOTORS WITH
        MORE THAN 62.5 GRAMS OF FUEL ARE HIGH POWER ROCKET MOTORS AND
        REQUIRE HIGH POWER CERTIFICATION TO FLY. This does allow HPR
        certified flyers to conduct low-end HPR launches (with up to about
        240NS composite motors) without having to obtain a waiver.
      * Remember that HPR waivers, ATC notification and high power
        certification are all separate issues and must all be properly
        followed.
    B. CPSC Regulations/Restrictions:
       * G class model rocket motors (80.01-160.00NS total impulse) have been
         classified as high power by the CPSC. They are considered model
         rocket motors by the NFPA. These motors are now restricted for sale
         to buyers 18 years of age or older. This includes the sale of G
         reloadable motors.
    C. DOT Shipping Restrictions:
       * Most single use rockets motors with less than 62.5 grams of
         propellant are now classified as UN 1.4s and can be shipped via
         UPS (with a HAZMAT fee) or regular parcel post.
       * Most reloadable rocket motor fuel grains weighing less than 62.5
         grams each are now classified as 'flammable solids' and may be
         shipped via UPS (with HAZMAT fee) or regular parcel post.
       * The UPS HAZMAT fee is now $10
       * Any single use rocket motor containing more than 62.5 grams of fuel,
         and any reloadable motor fuel grain weighing more than 62.5 grams
         are classified as UN 1.3c, or Class B, explosives.  These motors and
         reload grains may be shipped ONLY via Federal Express to certain
         designated shipping points.
       * Aerotech has announced it has received an exemption for single use
         motors up to K class and reload grains for at least L, and possibly
         M class motors, which allow these motors and reload grains to be
         shipped UPS ground in the same manner as motors containing less
         than 62.5 grams of propellant. Aerotech says these are now shippable
         as class 4.1 flammable solids.
    D. BATF Restrictions:
       * Any rocket motor or reloadable fuel grain containing more than 62.5
         grams of propellant is now classified by the ATF as a Class B Low
         Explosive. This includes Aerotech reloads from J power and up.
       * You must have a federal Low Explosives Users Permit (LEUP) to
         legally purchase Class B rocket motors and reloads, except under
         certain restricted circumstances.
       * You must have a federal LEUP to legally store rocket motors or reload
         grains which contain more than 62.5 grams of propellant.
       * You must comply with federal low explosives regulations when
         transporting and storing Class B rocket motors.
       * You must be 21 years of age to obtain an LEUP.
    E. Other High Power Restrictions:
       * You must be 'high power certified' to fly high power rockets.
       * The NAR and Tripoli both have programs for obtaining high power
         certification. You need to join one or both of these organizations if
         you want to fly high power rockets.
       * You must be at least 18 years of age to become high power certified.
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1.4   I would like to get into Large Model Rockets. What are my options?
      Who has NAR certified E, F and G motors today?

    The following manufacturers currently have NAR certified E, F and G motors,
    as indicated.

    Motor Class      Manufacturer            Propellant Type

       E             Flight Systems, Inc.    Black Powder
       E             Aerotech/Apogee         Composite (ammonium perchlorate)
       F             Flight Systems, Inc.    Black Powder
       F             Aerotech/Apogee         Composite (ammonium perchlorate)
       G             Aerotech                Composite (ammonium perchlorate)

    There are 18, 21, 24, 27 and 29 mm diameter motors available. One
    manufacturer (Aerotech) has reloadable motor casings for 18, 24, and
    29 mm motors.

    Several manufacturers sell rockets designed for E through G powered
    flight. Refer to the previous list of addresses and get a few catalogs.
    R.m.r readers have recommended kits from NCR, THOY, LOC, Aerotech,
    Vaughn Brothers, and others. Look for the following
    minimum features in E through G powered kits:
        - plywood or fiber centering rings rather than paper or cardstock
        - plywood, thick plastic, or G10 fins rather than balsa
        - thicker motor tubes
        - cloth rather than plastic parachutes
        - thicker-walled body tubes

    Remember to build these models stronger than smaller model rockets. Use
    CA and epoxy rather than white or yellow glue. These rockets will
    have to survive much higher stresses than smaller model rockets.
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1.5   Is the proper term rocket 'engine' or rocket 'motor'?

    I don't know. I don't really care. And neither should you!  In this
    document 'motor' and 'engine' are taken to mean the same thing and both
    refer to "the thing in the rocket which makes it go 'whoosh!!' (or 'roar',
    if flying high power :-)". If you want a sure way to start a fight with
    a fellow rocketeer, just argue that whatever term he/she uses is the wrong
    one.
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1.6   What do the letters and numbers on a model rocket motor mean?

    The NAR has developed a motors classification scheme which has been
    mandated by NFPA 1122 and most state regulations. This system
    specifies the motors total impulse class, average thrust, and ejection
    charge delay. This is printed on any motors certified by the NAR.
    the pieces are as follows, given the example:

        E15-10W

    The first letter indicates the power range, as specified in the table
    below. The number to the left of the dash is the average thrust of
    the motor, in newtons. The number to the right of the dash is the
    approximate ejection delay in seconds starting at the time of motor
    burnout. The final letter is an optional manufacturer designation
    for motor or fuel type. Note that letter designating total impulse of
    the motor specifies an impulse *range*, not an exact total impulse. For
    example, there are G motors that have anywhere from 90 to 160 NS of total
    impulse....an Aerotech G42 is rated at 90NS and a G40 is rated at 120NS.
    Motors with more than either 62.5 grams of total propellant or have more
    than 160NS of total impulse are considered High Power motors. You must
    be certified to purchase and fly these motors. Soon, it may also become
    necessary to have a license to store high power motors.

    Andrew Mossberg ([email]) recently posted this chart to
    rmr, which includes approximate propellant weights for maximum impulse
    motors for each class:

      P
      O
      W      Low       High        Low         High      200 ISP Propellant
      E     Limit      Limit      Limit        Limit            Weight
      R    (NtSec)    (NtSec)    (lbsSec)     (lbsSec)    (grams)   (lbs)
      =    =======    ========   =========   =========   ========   =======
      A        1.26        2.5       0.28         0.56        1.3    0.0028
      B        2.51        5.0       0.56         1.12        2.5    0.0056
      C        5.01       10.0       1.13         2.25        5      0.0112
      D       10.01       20.0       2.25         4.5        10      0.02
      E       20.01       40.0       4.5          9          20      0.04
      F       40.01       80.0       9           18          41      0.09
      G       80.01      160.0      18           36          82      0.18
      H      160.01      320.0      36           72         163      0.36
      I      320.01      640.0      72          144         326      0.72
      J      640.01    1,280.0     144          288         652      1.44
      K     1280.01    2,560.0     288          575       1,305      2.88
      L     2560.01    5,120.0     575        1,151       2,609      5.75
      M     5120.01   10,240.0   1,151        2,301       5,219     11.5
      N    10240.01   20,480.0   2,301        4,602      10,438     23.0
      O    20480.01   40,960.0   4,602        9,204      20,875     46.0
      P    40960.01   81,920.0   9,204       18,409      41,751     92.0

    Currently, consumer rocketry stops at rockets with a total of no more
    than 81,920NS of total impulse. Anything larger than that is by
    definition an amateur rocket.
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1.7  What is a CATO?  Is it CATO pronounced KAY-TO or CAT-O?

    The following definition has been posted to r.m.r. by Jack Hagerty,
    ([email]) editor of the excellent r.m.r Glossary. For even more
    complete information on the term CATO, refer to the glossary.

    A motor failure, generally explosive, where all the propellant
        is burned in a much shorter time than planned. This can be
        a nozzle blow-out (loud, but basically harmless), an end-cap
        blow-out (where all of the pyrotechnic force blows FORWARD
        which usually does a pretty good job of removing any internal
        structure including the recovery system) or a casing rupture
        which has unpredictable, but usually devastating, effects.
        Another form of CATO is an ejection failure caused by either
        the delay train failing to burn or the ejection charge not
        firing, but the result is the same: the model prangs.

    Opinions on the meaning of the acronym range widely. Some
        say it's not an acronym at all, but simply a contraction of
        'catastrophic' and should be pronounced 'Cat-o' (which sounds
        better than 'cata' over PA systems :-). Others maintain that
        it is an acronym but disagree on the meaning, offering a
        broad spectrum of 'CAtastrophic Take Off,' 'Catastrophically
        Aborted Take Off,' 'Catastrophe At Take Off' and the self
        referential 'CATO At Take Off.' The acronym crowd pronounces
        it 'Kay-Tow', like the Green Hornet's side kick. It has been
        pointed out, though, that all of the above are 'post-hoc'
        definitions since LCO's were using the term over range PA
        systems long before any formal acronym was established.
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1.8   When a consumer rocket motor fails (i.e., CATOs) does it explode or
      detonate?

    To be precise, consumer rocket motors do NOT 'detonate'. Black powder
    rocket motors 'deflagrate'. Detonation involves the creation of super-
    sonic shock waves. Use the term 'explode' when discussing CATOs involving
    split motor casings, holes blown out the sides of models, etc.
-------------------------------------------------
1.9   Why don't I just make my own model rocket motors?  Shouldn't I be able
      to custom-make better, more powerful motors at a cheaper price?

    This subject has been hotly debated on r.m.r. It is one of those
    'emotional' subjects that find people either firmly for or against.

    The bottom line is that rec.models.rockets is primarily a newsgroup for
    discussing *consumer* rocketry (which covers model rocketry and high
    power rocketry). Some amateur issues are discussed, but these are not
    the primary focus of the group. Manufacturing your own rocket motors can
    be a very dangerous thing to do, unless done properly, and with extreme
    care. The odds are you will not make motors that are of any higher quality,
    total impulse, reliability, or cost less than pre-manufactured consumer
    rocket motors.

    It is the opinion of the editor(s) of this FAQ that you should NOT try
    to manufacture your own motors. If, however, you insist on partaking
    in amateur rocketry, then the editor(s) of this FAQ urge you to get in
    contact with an established amateur rocketry group for guidance and
    assistance.
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Copyright (c) 1996 Wolfram von Kiparski, editor.
Refer to Part 00 for the full copyright notice.


author: Wolfram v.Kiparski

subject: rec.models.rockets FAQ Part 02 - Names and Addresses

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Rec.Models.Rockets Frequently Asked Questions: PART 2 OF 14

NAMES AND ADDRESSES

    This portion of the r.m.r FAQ is maintained by Wolfram v.Kiparski.
    If you notice any errors, inconsistencies, or ommissions, kindly email
    Wolf, at [email] so that it can be corrected.

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2.1 Are their any national-level rocketry organizations which I might join?
    What services do they offer?

    National Association of Rocketry      Model and high power rocketry for
    P.O. Box 177                            aerospace modelers in the U.S. and
    Altoona, WI 54270                       around the world.
    (800) 262-4872                        - sanctions contests and records
                                          - NARAM and NSL yearly national
    [email]                          competition and sport launches
    http://www.nar.org/                   - Liability insurance for
                                             rocket flying activities
         Complete information is          - "Sport Rocketry" magazine
         available at the NAR's           - Motor safety certification (model
         web site.                             and high power rocket motors)
                                          - High Power flyer certification
                                          - NARTREK continuing education
                                                  program

    Tripoli Rocketry Association, Inc.    High power rocketry enthusiasts
    P.O. Box 280                          - Sanctions & insures high power
    Bessemer, AL 35021                       rocket launches
    http://www.tripoli.org                - High power certification
                                          - Yearly national sport launch (LDRS)

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2.2  What are the addresses of some the rocketry manufacturers and suppliers?
     Do they offer catalogs?

    Here is a list of rocketry manufacturers and suppliers. The list is divided
    into a number of categories. Each address appears only once, but may in
    fact qualify to fit into more than one category. The rocketry industry is
    rather dynamic, so if this list is six months old, it may be out of date.
    The editor(s) of this FAQ can't verify if the companies are, or are not in
    business, although we've made efforts to contact all of them.  If you notice
    any errors, inconsistencies, misinformation, or omissions, kindly email,
    Wolf, at [email], so that corrections can be applied.

    Caveat Emptor

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2.2.1  Model and High Power Rocket Manufacturers - kits/motors/supplies/etc.

    AAA Model Aviation Fuels               Large model rocket kits and high
    Large Scale Rocketry Division            power kits, tubing, nose cones
    122 Summer Ave.                           Distributor - motors and parts
    Clarks Summit, PA  18411-2224          Catalog - $2.50
    (717) 587-5420

    Advanced Propulsion Systems            NEW MOTOR MANUFACTURER
    1717 East Calumet St. Ste. 272         High power reloadable motor systems
    Appleton, WI. 54915                     I through P power classes
    (414) 993-1600                          38mm, 54mm, 3inch, 98mm sizes
    [email]               Catalog - $5.00
    http://www.mhtc.net/~duck/apswebpage.htm

    Aerospace Specialty Products           Kits, scale kits, parts, mylar,
    P.O. Box 1408                                G-10 fiberglass
    Gibsonton, FL  33534                   Catalog - $2.00
    [email]               (see part 07 of this FAQ)

    Aerotech, Inc.                         Composite motors, reloadables
    1955 South Palm St., Suite 15               (B - M)
    Las Vegas, NV 89104                     Large model rocket kits; high
    (702) 641-2301                           power rockets, parts, supplies
    (702) 641-1883  FAX                     Hybrid motors
    [email]               Catalogs - Model Rocketry, High
            (Gary Rosenfield)               Power Motors, and Hybrid Motors
    [email]                  $2/each or $5/for all three
            (Ed LaCroix)
    http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com

    AeroVentures Industries                plans for large scale rockets
    P.O. Box 533                             1/8 Mercury Redstone
    Stuart, FL  34995-0533                    1/40 Space Shuttle
    (407) 283-8218                            1/30 Titan III
    [email]

    Apogee Components                      rocket motors 1/4A - F
    1431 Territory Trail                   Micro Motors (10.5mm) 1/4A - B
    Colorado Springs, CO 80919-3323        Composite 13mm B motors
    [email]             Long burn D, E, and F motors
         (Timothy Van Milligan)            Kits and supplies
    (719) 548-5075                         Educational materials and books
    http://www.ApogeeRockets.com           Catalog - $1.00, or see website

    Atlantic Rockets                       D through I sport scale and sport
    1308 Centennial Ave.                     rocket kits - 2.6 through 4 inch
    Piscataway, NJ  08854                    diameters.  rebirth of the
    (908) 235-0001                           Mountainside Hobbies line of kits
    http://www.AtlanticRockets.com         Catalog - FREE  (see website)

    BAM Industries                         Large scale kits for HPR
    327 El Paso                              Nike Smoke, V-2, custom work
    Chaparral, NM  88021
    (505) 824-3406

    Binder Design                          Back in business
    P.O. Box 80036                          High power rocket kits
    Portland, OR 97280-1036                 and supplies.
    (503) 244-3959                         Catalog - $2.00
    (503) 244-5149 (fax)
    [email]

    Black Rock Systems                     Carbon-fiber kits for HPR
    P.O. Box 1212
    Winnemucca, NV  89446
    (702) 623-3275

    Boyce Aerospace Hobbies                Scale rocket kits
    3430 Old Meadow Road                    micro-scale through large-scale;
    San Diego, CA  92111                    parachutes;
    (619) 277-6385
    email:  [email]           (see part 07 of this FAQ)
    WWW:  http://ideations.com/Boyce_Aerospace_Hobbies

    Centuri Engineering                    OUT OF BUSINESS 9/81
    Phoenix, AZ

    Centaur Rocketry                       OUT OF BUSINESS

    Cluster R                              See 'Rocket R&D/THOY/Cluster R'

    Competiton Model Rockets               OUT OF BUSINESS 12/87
    Alexandria, VA                           (see Pratt Hobbies)

    Cosmodrome Rocketry                    OUT OF BUSINESS
                                            or at least ceased production
    [email]            for a while.  Last rumored to
                                            be gearing up to ship kits again.

    Custom Rocket Co.                      Model rocket kits and parts
    P.O. Box 2086                          Catalog - $2.00
    Augusta, ME  04338
    (207) 623-4114
    (207) 623-0256 FAX
    (800) 394-4114

    Dangerous Dave                         OUT OF BUSINESS
                                            (but he does have a web site at
                                              http://www.ddave.com/)

    Dare Rocketry                          OUT OF BUSINESS

    Delta V Rocketry                       Model and high power rocket kits
    3179 Roosevelt St.                       and California-certified HPR
    Carlsbad, CA 92008                        dealer, parts, supplies,
    (800) 335-8284 (orders ONLY)              launch systems, electronics
    (619) 730-3702 (voice)                 Catalog - $3.00
    (619) 730-3704 (fax)
    [email]

    Doctor Rocket                          Licensed manufacturer of Aerotech
                                             compatible reloadable motors.
    (512) 251-2897                         Less expensive than the original.
    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tmontemayor/drrocket.htm

    Dynacom                                High power rockets (fiberglass
    P.O. Box 85                               and composite components).
    Boston, PA 15135-0085                  Catalog - $3.00
    (412) 751-9515
    [email]
    http://www.dynacom-inc.com

    Eclipse Components                     Competition model rocket parts
    570 Buckeye Dr.                         Blackshaft (phenolic) tubing
    Colorado Springs, CO 80919-1212         inexpensive
    (719) 598-6105                         Catalog - $1.00
    [email]
           (Todd Schneider)

    Edmonds Aerospace                      Model rockets and competition
    13326 Preuit Place                       kits, B/G, R/G, RC/G
    Herndon, VA  22070                      Inexpensive, and reputedly of
    (703) 471-9313                               high quality.
    [email]
         (Robert Edmonds)

    Energon Systems, Inc.                  OUT OF BUSINESS

    Estes Industries, Inc.                 Model rocket kits & motors
    P.O. Box 227                           Largest rocketry manufacturer
    1295 H Street                            1/2A through D engines
    Penrose, CO  81240                       North Coast F67 motors
    (719) 372-6565
    (719) 372-3419 FAX
    (800) 525-7561
    (800) 820-0202 replacement parts

    Flight Systems, Inc.                    OUT OF BUSINESS

    Galaxy Model Rockets                    OUT OF BUSINESS

    HOTT Rockets                             Large scale kits
    15200 Golden Sands                         for L - M motors
    Lake Elsinore, CA  92530
    (909) 471-0104 6:00-8:00 PM mon-fri
                   8:00 AM - 10:00 PM sat-sun
    [email]  (Jim Hart)

    Hypertek                                Hybrid high power rocket
    Division of Environmental Aerosciences       motors and launch systems.
    7290 South West 42nd Street                 (H - L range)
    Miami, FL 33155
    (800) 335-8284 (West coast dealer)
    (800) 221-7205 (East coast dealer)

    Kosdon Rocket Motors                    see Truly Recyclable Motors

    (The) Launch Pad                        D, E and clustered model rocket
    8470-H Misty Blue Court                    kits and plans.
    Springfield, VA 22153                    specializes in scale military
    (703) 455-8418                            missiles
      (Chuck Barndt)                        Catalog - $2.75
                                             (see part 07 of this FAQ)

    LOC/Precision                           Large model rocket kits; high
    P.O. Box 255                             power rocket kits;
    Macedonia, OH 44056                      parts and supplies;
    (216) 467-4514                          Catalog - $4.00

    M2F2                                   'Space Camel' boost gliders
    P.O. Box 915                            Catalog - send SASE
    La Jolla, CA 92038

    Microbrick Technologies, Inc.           See 'MRED Industries' entry

    Model Rectifier Corporation             OUT OF THE ROCKET BUSINESS

    Mountainside Hobbies                    OUT OF BUSINESS

    MRED Industries, Inc.                   OUT OF BUSINESS

    Nordic Rocketry                         Model Rocket kits
    P.O. Box 1164                            New company
    Wisconsin Rapids, WI  54495-1164        Catalog - $1.00
    (715) 424-0240

    North Coast Rocketry                    Manufacturer of large model
    NOTE: NCR is now manufactured by         rocket kits/parts/supplies,
          Estes Industries.                  and F & G composite motors.

    Nova Hobbies                            scale model rocket kits
    PO Box 352225                            space history oriented
    Miami, FL 33135-8225                     new - ASP kit  (see part 7 of FAQ)
    [email] (James Wentworth)

    Original Rockets, Inc.                  scale models of old kits for HPR
    P.O. Box 611722
    Port Huron, MI  48061-1722
    (810)982-3690 voice
    (810)985-4643 fax
    [email]
    http://users.aol.com/rgilbert1/ori/ori.html

    Orion Rocket Works                      OUT OF BUSINESS

    Public Enemy Rockets                    High power rocket kits
    25230 Marsel Ranch Rd.                   scale, cluster, staged, etc.
    Moreno Valley, CA 92553                 Catalog - $2.00
    (909) 243-7398

    Public Missiles, Ltd.                   Large model rockets and high power
    349 Cass Ave., Suite E                   rocket kits, parts, and supplies
    Mt. Clemens, MI 48043                    phenolic tubing, G-10 fins
    (810) 468-1748                          Catalog: $3.00
    (810) 465-2911 FAX
    [email]

    Qualified Competition Rockets           Offers a wide variety kits for
    c/o Kenneth Brown                        competition rocketry, incl.
    7021 Forest View Drive                   piston launchers, tubing,
    Springfield, VA 22150                    NARTREK packages, publications
                                             inexpensive
                                            Catalog: SASE

    Quest/Toybiz Inc.                       Model rocket kits & engines (A-C),
    P.O. Box 42390                            launch systems, and supplies
    519 West Lone Cactus Drive              Catalog: FREE
    Phoenix, Arizona  85989-2390              NOTE: Quest has -2- catalogs,
    (800) 858-7302 (toll free)                  one details retail kits in
    (602) 582-3438 (voice)                      stores and the other one
    (602) 582-3828 (fax)                        details "educational" mail
                                                order sales from Quest

    Rocket Dyne Systems                     Big kits for HPR
    P.O. Box 3132                            plans on releasing single-use
    Quail Valley, CA  92587                  HPR motors during Summer, 1997
    (909) 244-8446                          Catalog - $3.00

    RocketFlight                            OUT OF BUSINESS

    Rocketman Enterprises, Inc.             High power rocket kits, recovery
    8337 Penn Avenue South                    systems, videos and launch
    Bloomington, MN 55431                      support systems
    (800) 732-4883                          Catalog - $3.00
    (612) 884-3424 FAX
    http://www.kytec.spacestar.com/users/kytec

    Rocket R & D                            HPR kits and supplies, also
    308 E. Elm Street                        Aerotech/THOY/Cluster R dealer
    Urbana, IL 61802                         Tracking Smoke, ignitors,
    (217) 344-2449                           thermalite, chutes.
    (217) 344-0327 (FAX)                    Catalog pack - $3.00
                                            Price list - send long SASE

    Scotglas Manufacturing                  Large scale high power kits
    [email]

    Seattle Rocket Works                    Model rocket kits
    410 East Denny Way, Suite 115             1/30 Nike Smoke and MIRV Gryphon
    Seattle, WA 98122-2172                  Catalog - FREE
    (206) 720-2901
    [email]
        (Michael Park)

    Shecter Rockets                         Model rocket kits and parts:
    20505 E Clear Spring CT                    BT-5 to BT-55, inexpensive,
    Walnut,  CA  91789-3887                 Catalog - $1.00 cash
    (909) 595-5536 EVENINGS ONLY               or make payable to Fred Shecter

    Signature Gallery                       large kits for HPR
    4980 Cross Creak Rd.
    Sarasota, FL  34231-7472                 Brochure - FREE
    (941) 925-9904

    Stellar Dimensions, Inc.                Unique angular (rectangle,
    2135 Roosevelt Ave.                        pyramid, etc.) model rockets.
    Enumclaw, WA 98022                      Catalog - send SASE for brochure
    (360) 802-0953
    [email]
        (Patrick Spence)
    http://www.tx3.com/~netman

    Tiffany Hobbies of Ypsilanti (THOY)     See 'Rocket R&D/THOY/Cluster R'

    Truly Recyclable Motors                 High power and experimental
    Franklin Kosdon                          reloadable rocket motors.
    316 Carol Drive                          (E - R impulse range)
    Ventura, CA 93003
    (805) 642-1559

    U. S. Rockets                           High Power and model rocket kits
    P.O. Box 1242                            May get into rocket motors in
    Claremont, California  91711              the near future.
    (909) 398-1877  (FAX)
    (800) 266-3111
    [email]                   Catalog - see web site
         (Jerry Irvine)
    http://www.usrockets.com/

    Vaughn Brothers Rocketry                Model and high power rocket kits
    4575 Ross Drive                           kits and supplies; group launch
    Paso Robles, CA 93446                     systems
    (805) 239-3818                          Catalog - $2.00
    (805) 239-0292 (fax)
    [email]

    VectorAero                              R/C Rocket Gliders
    6 S. 211 Cohasset Rd.                     kits and supplies
    Naperville, IL  60540-3536                 Aerotech R/C dealer
    (630) 717-5830 evenings
    [email]
       (Kevin McKiou)

    Vulcan Systems, Inc.                    high-powered rocket motor
    P.O. Box 6099                            manufacturer
    Colorado Springs, CO 80934

    Weir Rockets                            Model rocket kits
    25 Metten Road                          interesting "oddroc" designs
    Neward, DE  19713

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2.2.2 Electronics/Recovery Systems/Other Rocketry Components and Supplies

    ACME Engineering                          composite fin canisters for HPR
    4835 Stillbrooke Drive
    Houston, TX  77035
    (713) 729-9641
    [email]
    http://www.AcmeEngrg.com

    Adept Rocketry                            Electronic stagers, timers,
    2545 Overlook Drive                        altimeters, flight computers.
    Broomfield, CO 80020                      Catalog - $2.00
    (303) 466-9605

    Advanced Rocketry Group Ltd. (ARG)        Source of scale information
    130 Matheson Blvd., East - Unit 10         scale data of Soviet rockets
    Mississauga, Ontario   L4Z 1Y6             Electronics
    Tel/Fax (905) 501-0456                     Imported Competition supplies
    [email]                   Competition gliders
                                               Plastic models

    Aero Pack International/Missile Systems   Phenolic airframe tubing,
    8190E Mira Mesa Blvd. 308                  threaded aluminum motor
    Miramar, CA  92126                          retainers
    (619) 566-2900 FAX
    [email]

    Balsa Machining Services                  Balsa and hardwood nose cones
    11995 Hillcrest Dr.                        & transitions up to 4.6" in dia.
    Lemont, IL 60439-4145                      & up to 17" long
    (630) 257-5420                            Replica Estes nose cones
    (630) 257-0341 (fax)                      Tower Launcher
    [email]                                Catalog - available at web site
    http://user.mc.net/~bms                     or send $2.00

    Black Sky Research Associates             R & D branch of Delta V Rocketry
    3179 Roosevelt St.                         altimeters, timers, launch rails
    Carlsbad, CA 92008                         (see Delta V Rocketry)
    (619) 730-3702 (voice)
    (619) 730-3704 (fax)
    [email]

    Cambridge Group                           see Emmanuel Avionics, Inc.

    Computer Innovative Designs               Modular flight systems
    1485 Estes                                 Altimeters, locators,
    Mississauga, Ontario   L5V 1M4             data sampling electronics
    (Mail Order Only)                          remote deployment devices
                                               software

    Cotriss Technology                        Fiberglass airframes
    3653 Slopeview Drive                      aerial photography
    San Jose, CA 95148-2828                   PIC adhesives
    (408) 238-5610                            Catalog - call for info.

    Dave's Parachutes                         OUT OF BUSINESS

    Emmanuel Avionics, Inc.                   Cambridge IA-X95
    1921 N. Gaffey #D                           integrating accelerometer,
    San Pedro, CA  90731                       also has Rocket Design Software
    (310) 832-8836
    [email]

    FireStar Electric Match                   Electric matches
    P.O. Box 533                              Ignition supplies
    New Haven, IN 46774-2674                  Information - $1.00 and SASE
    [email]
    http://www.ddave.com/firestar/

    Floaters Parachutes                       OUT OF BUSINESS

    Future Flight                             RC supplies.
    1256 Prescott Ave.                         Has one RC rocket glider kit
    Sunnyvale, CA 94089                         for experienced fliers.

    Giant Leap Rocketry                       most inexpensive phenolic tubing
    6061 Hibiscus Drive                         on the rocketry market
    Baton Rouge, LA  70808                        G10 fiberglass sheet
    (504) 769-6040 evenings and weekends          fiberglass nose cones
    (504) 769-0710 FAX
    [email]

    Hans Schneider                            complete and ARF video transmitting
    Transmitting Video Rockets                 rockets - black and white,
    42 Valley Forge Road                                  and color video
    Bordentown, NJ 08505                      send SASE for details

    Hobbytech, Inc.                           Max airspeed indicator
    34 Joslyn Drive
    Elgin, IL 60210
    (847) 695-5903 (voice/FAX)

    Holverson Designs, Inc.                   Launch pads for large RCRGs
    Route 1, Box 33                             and other rockets.
    Soldier, IA  51572
    (800) 832-7995 - orders only
    [email]  (Doug Holverson)
    http://www.netins.net/showcase/flexia/hd.html

    Impulse Aerospace                         Ignition and recovery systems,
    22833 Bothell Way SE, Suite 1148            including R/C based products,
    Bothell, WA 98021                           software, custom services
    (800) 568-2785                            Catalog - $2.00
    [email]
    http://www.impulseaero.com

    Jim Walston Retrieval Systems             Electronic rocket locators
    725 Cooper Lake Road, S.E.                    (transmitter/receiver)
    Smyrna, GA  30082                         Catalog - FREE
    (404) 434-4905
    (800) 657-4672

    KYLEX Enterprises                         sells a pamphlet on how to make
    Division BTMR                              your own spiral-wound body tubes.
    PO Box 1024
    Murray, KY  42071

    North Country Radio                       CCD cameras, transmitter/receiver
    PO Box 53                                   kits, and other electronics
    New Rochelle, New York 10804-0053           suitable for rocketry use.
    (914) 235-6611
    (518) 854-9280

    Pratt Hobbies                             Nomex recovery systems
    2513 Iron Forge Road                       R/C ejection systems,NiCad launch
    Herndon, VA 20171                           systems.  CMR-style nose cones
    (703) 689-3541 (voice/fax)                  and egg capsules.
    [email]                 Catalog: FREE
    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pratthobbies

    Retro Rocket Works                        laminated wood airframes for
    92 Willowleaf Drive                         rockets
    Littleton, CO  80127
    (303) 932-9410

    Robby's Rockets                           Ignition and ejection
    P.O. Box 171                                supplies
    Elkhart, IN 46515                         Catalog: $.55 in postage on
    (219) 679-4143                              large SASE, or $2 for catalogs

    Sentell Enterprises                       Parachutes, streamers, and
    104 Linden Drive                            other recovery devices.
    Hendersonville, TN 37075-2032             Catalog - $1.00
    (800) 4-CHUTES (orders only)               (includes fabric samples)
    (615) 822-6565

    Sonic Systems Ltd                         Custom nosecones for LOC 7.67"
    4509 East Hobart                            tubing
    Mesa, Arizona 85205                       Clear polycarbonate tubing

    Spherachutes                              Parachutes/recovery devices.
    P.O. Box 621956                           Catalog: $1 (includes fabric
    Littleton, CO 80123                         sample)
    (303) 798-2889                            Price Sheet: SASE

    Thrust Aerospace                          Rocket parts and supplies
    405 Tarrytown Road, Unit 203                FAI mandrels, tools, materials,
    White Plains, NY  10607                     custom fabrication services
    (914) 939-7602                            Catalog - $2.00

    Top Flight Recovery                       Recovery devices (parachutes,
    S12621 Donald Road                          X-form chutes, and streamers).
    Spring Green, WI 53588                    Catalog: $1 for fabric samples
    (608) 588-7204                              or SASE for just the price list

    Totally Tubular tm                        rocket tube supplier
    c/o Al De la Iglesia
    112 Cranbrook Dr.                          6mm through BT-55 size
    Howell, MI 48843                           couplers and rings
    (810) 231-1631 FAX                         hard to find items
    [email]  (Jim Fackert)             inexpensive
    [email]  (Al de la Iglesia)

    Transolve Corporation                     Timers, altimeters, location
    4060 E. 42nd Street                         beepers, etc.
    Cleveland, Ohio 44105                     Catalog: FREE
    (216) 341-5970

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2.2.3 Miscellaneous suppliers

     For those of you who like to buy their tubing, balsa, and other materials
     in bulk, this section may have the supplier that you are looking for.
     Also included are suppliers of the kind of goods that many of us find
     useful for model and high power rocketry.  While there are very many
     sources of materials from which one can build rockets, and there is no way that a
     list can completely cover this broad category.  Here is a list of
     companies that have been mentioned on r.m.r., or have been recommended to
     the author.  No company listed in this section is a rocketry specialty
     company.  Many of the companies in the preceding sections also sell "raw
     materials," so rocketry-related questions are best directed to them.

     Ace Resin                                 Resin casting and molding supply
     7481 E. 30th St.                           polyurethane rubber and
     Tucson, AZ 85710                            RTV rubber, supplies
     (520) 886-8051                            Catalog - $3.00, or
                                                #10 SASE for price list

     Aerospace Composite Products              Composite building materials
     14210 Doolittle Drive                       fiberglass, kevlar, carbon
     San Leandro, CA 94577                       Full line of supplies and
     orders: (800) 811-2009                        equipment
     technical: (510) 352-2022                   Custom fabrication and
     FAX: (510) 352-2021                           specialty products
     [email]
     http://www.acp-composites.com

     Aircraft Spruce and Specialty Company
     Fullerton, CA
     Griffin, GA
     http://www.aircraft-spruce.com/main.html   Catalog - $5.00

     Alexander Aeroplane Company               Composite building materials
     P.O. Box 909
     Griffin GA 30224
     (800) 831-2949                            Catalog - FREE

     Alumilite Corporation                     resin casting and molding supply
     225 Parsons Street                         resins and supplies
     Kalamazoo, MI 49007                        will send literature, specs,
     (616) 342-1259                              and cured samples on request
     (616) 342-1299 FAX
     http://www.alumilite.com

     American Science & Surplus                All kinds of surplus, used, and
     3605 Howard St.                            new equipment, gadgets, gizmos,
     Skokie, IL 60076                           and useful odds and ends.
     (847) 982-0870                            Their address here is for mail
     (800) 934-0722 FAX                         order, but they also have
     http://www.sciplus.com                     retail stores in Chicago,
                                                Geneva (IL), and Milwaukee.

     Balsa USA                                 Balsa, basswood, plywood,
     P.O.Box 164                                and adhesives
     Marinette, WI  54143                          Wholesale prices
     (800) BALSA-US  orders only               Price list - $1.00

     Bare Metal Foil and Hobby Co.             Por-A-Kast, Por-A-Mold dealer
                                                urethane resin molding and
                                                casting, adhesive metal foil,
     http://colossus.net/gremlins/bmf/index.html

     The Castolite Company                     casting resins
     4915 Dean St.                              polyester resins and rubber
     Woodstock, IL 60098
     (815) 338-4670
     (815) 338-4671 FAX

     Composite Structures Technology           Composite materials
     P.O. Box 642                              fiberglass,kevlar,carbon,epoxy,
     Tehachapi, CA 93581-0642                  foam core, vacuum bagging, etc.
     (800) 338-1278                            Catalog - FREE
     http://www.tminet.com/cst                  occasionally sells materials
                                                 at bargain prices.

     Fibre Glast Developments Corp.            Large supplier of composite
     1944 Neva Drive                           materials, polyester and epoxy
     Dayton, OH  45414                         resins, vacuum bagging equipment,
     (800) 821-3283                            and all related supplies
     [email]                        Catalog - FREE
     http://www.fibreglast.com

     McMaster-Carr Supply Company              Looked everywhere?
     P.O. Box 440                              Can't find that "rocket part"
     New Brunswick, NJ 08903-0440               anywhere?
     (908) 329-3200                            Give McMaster a call.
     Atlanta - (404) 346-7000                    They stock "everything."
     Chicago - (708) 833-0300                  CATALOG - getting their 2500+
     L.A. - (310) 692-5911                       page catalog may be difficult.

     Micro-Mark                               Small tool company.
     340 Snyder Ave.                           The company isn't small!
     Berkeley Heights, NJ  07922-1595          Perfect tools for working on
     (800) 225-1066                             rockets.
     fax: (908) 665-9383
     http://www.micromark.com

     Middlesex Paper Tube Company, Inc.       Large manufacturer of paper tubes
     P.O. Box 588                             I.D.'s from 0.250" to 18.000"
     345 Chelmsford Street
     Lowell, MA  01851
     (800) 466-9317
     (508) 458-9317 FAX

     Ogilvie, Inc.                           RBC Industries dealer
     116 W. Santa Fe Ave.                     epoxy casting resins, fiberglass,
     Placentia, CA 92870                      RTV silicone rubber, adhesives
     (800) 341-4945
     (714) 572-6804
     (714) 572-0641 FAX

     Para-Gear Equipment Co., Inc.           Full-service parachuting supply
     3839 West Oakton Street                   company.
     Skokie, IL  60076-3438                    Parachute fabric, tapes, threads,
     708/679-5905                               cords, webbing, and hardware.
     708/679-8644 - FAX                        Nylon, nylon, nylon!!!
     800/323-0437 (orders - outside IL only)  Catalog - $5.00 (refundable)

     Paramount Tube Division                  Large manufacturer of
     P.O. Box 80400                             paper tubes.
     Fort Wayne, IN  46898-0400                    I.D.'s  0.093" - 12.000"
     (219) 484-4111
     (219) 483-0393 FAX

     Peck Polymers                            Japanese tissue for tissuing
     P.O. Box 710399                            those contest gliders.
     Santee, CA 92072-0399                     Dethermalizer fuse, wood,
     (619) 448-1818                             free-flight glider kits
                                                   Jetex dealer
                                                 (not "free" as in $$$  ;-)

     Quality Composites                        carbon fiber composite tubes
     8385 South Allen
     Sandy, UT   84074
     (801) 565-8803

     SIG Manufacturing Co., Inc.               Balsa, basswood, plywood.
     401-7 S. Front St.                         Wood building supplies for
     Montezuma, IA 50171-0520                   hobbyist, and more...
     (515) 623-5154                            Catalog - $3.00
     (515) 623-3922 FAX
     (800) 247-5008 (Orders)
     (800) 524-7805 (Modeler's Hotline)
     [email]

     Smooth-On, Inc.                           casting resins and rubber
     1000 Valley Road                           polyurethane and epoxy resins
     Gillette, NJ 07933
     (800) 762-0744
     (800) 766-6841
     (908) 604-2224 FAX

     Synair Corporation                        Resin casting and molding supply
     2003 Amnicola Highway                      Por-A-Cast and Por-A-Mold
     PO Box 5269                                 RTV rubber
     Chattanooga, TN 37406-0269
     (423) 698-8801                            will send literature, specs, and
     (800) 251-7642                             cured samples on request
     (800) 476-7266
     (423) 624-0321 FAX

     Techni-Tools                             tool company oriented toward
     5 Apollo Road, Box 368                    electronics/hi-tech R&D labs.
     Plymouth Meeting, PA  19462               Wide selection.  High quality.
     (610) 941-2400
     fax:  (610) 828-5623
     http://www.techni-tools.com

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2.2.4 Mail Order Sources

    This is a very incomplete list. Check out the pages of 'High Power Rocketry'
    or 'Sport Rocketry' for many more possibilities.  Check your phone book
    too!

    Atomic Rockets                            Model and high power rocket kits,
    10210 N. 32 St.                            parts, motors, and supplies
    Suite C6                                  Catalog - $2.00
    Phoenix, Arizona 85028
    (602) 404-1663
    http://www.goodnet.com/~atomic

    Belleville Wholesale Hobby                Estes, MRC, and Custom model
    1827 North Charles Street                   rocket kits, supplies, etc.,
    Belleville, IL 62221-4025                   at 30-40% discount from
    (618) 234-5989                              retail.
    (618) 234-9202 (fax)                      Catalog - $2.00
    http://www.apci.net/nrockets

    Bruckner Hobbies                          Estes, Quest, Aerotech, Launch
    2908 Bruckner Blvd.                         Pad, Top Flite Recovery,
    Bronx, NY 10465                             1/2A - G motors.
    (718) 863-3434 (Info)                     Catalog - Free
    (800) 288-8185 (Orders only)

    Commonwealth Displays, Inc.               Model and high power rocket kits,
    12649 Dix                                   parts, motors, and supplies.
    Southgate, MI 48195                       Catalog - $2.00
    (313) 282-1055
    24HR sale update line (313) 282-0750
    [email]
    http://www.commonwealth.net/rockets/cdi.html

    Countdown Hobbies                         Model and high power rocket kits,
    7 P.T. Barnum Square                        parts. motors, and supplies;
    Bethel, CT 06801-1838                       discontinued kits; space,
    (203) 790-9010 (voice/fax)                  science, and collectors items
    [email]                 catalog - $3.00 ($3 Canada,
       (Kevin Nolan)                                           $4 overseas)

    Discount Rocketry                         Aerotech, Apogee, Binder, Boyce,
    25944 Kaywood Court                         Cosmo., Custom, LaunchPad, LOC,
    Escondido, CA 92026-8408                    Mtnside, NCR, Quest, more, more
    (760) 432-9626                              Miss Rocket Booster posters
                                              Catalog:  $1.00, or check out the
    [email]  (Kevin Funk)                  online catalog with secure
    http://www.discountrocketry.com                    ordering via WWW.

    High Sierra Rocketry                      OUT OF BUSINESS

    Magnum Rockets, Hobbies and More, Inc.    Model and high power rocket kits,
    P.O. Box 124                               motors and supplies. "Class B"
    Mechanicsburg, Ohio 43044                   motor sales.  Hybrid motors.
    (937) 834-3306 (voice and fax)            Catalog - $3.00
    http://www.magnumrockets.com
    [email] (Ross Dunton)

    Red Arrow Hobbies                         Model and high power rocket kits,
    5095 Red Arrow Hwy.                        motors and supplies.
    Stevensville, MI  49127
    (616) 429-8233                            Catalog - FREE
    email:  [email]

    Rocket Science                            HPR and model rocketry dealer
    Larry Smith                                 kits, motors and supplies.
    2714 Augusta Hwy.                           "Class B" motor sales
    Lexington, SC  29072                       Hypertek dealer
    (800) 221-7205
    [email]
    http://www.scsn.net/users/rockets/

    Uptown Sales Inc., The Hobby Place        Discount Estes dealer
    33 North Main St.
    Chambersburg, PA 17201                    catalog - $1.00 refundable
    (800) 548-9941 orders only
    http://www.hobbyplace.com

    Zeppelin Hobbies                           Model and high power rocket kits,
    92 Route 23 North                            motors and supplies.
    Riverdale, NJ  07457-1200
    (201) 831-7717
    (201) 831-5989
    [email]                           Catalog - FREE

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2.2.5 Sources for Out-of-Production Model Rocket Kits

    Wondering if you can ever find and build that old kit you that you once
    had?  Give these folks a call (find their addresses, phone numbers, etc. in
    the preceding section).

    Advanced Rocketry Group                   Estes and Centuri

    Commonwealth Displays                     Estes

    Countdown Hobbies                         Estes, Centuri, MPC, Cox, and
                                               more... kits, parts, ephemera

    Out Of Production                         Estes and Centuri
    1303 Scott St.
    San Francisco, CA  94115
    http://www.hooked.net/~pmagid/outofproduction.html
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2.2.6 Books/Videos/Computer Software/Technical References

    Apogee Components                         Book(s) on model rocketry.
    1431 Territory Trail                      "Model Rocket Design and
    Colorado Springs, CO 80919-3323            Construction," by
    [email]                Tim Van Milligan.
                                               Educational materials.

    California Rocketry Publishing            Books, magazines, tech reports,
    Box 1242                                    programs, data files.
    Claremont, CA 91711                        altitude prediction software
    http://www.usrockets.com/                 Catalog - see web site

    NAR Technical Services (NARTS)            Plans, technical reports, scale
    P.O. Box 1482                               data and more.
    Saugus, MA 01906                          Catalog:  Free to NAR members and
    [email]                              also on r.m.r archive and www.
    http://www.nar.org/NARTS

    Odyssey Productions                      Videos high power and model
    P.O. Box 450264                            rocket launches
    Garland, TX  75045-0264
    (972) 495-8576
    [email]

    Point-39 Productions                      Videos of high power rocket
    c/o Earl Cagle, Jr.                         rocket launches (like LDRS)
    1607 Apple Valley Drive
    Augusta, Georgia 30906
    (706) 790-5544
    [email] (Earl Cagle)

    Raging Rockets                            'How to' videos for high power
    (800) 899-2788                              rocketry.

    Rogers Aeroscience                         Altitude prediction software
    P.O. Box 10065                               and reference materials.
    Lancaster, CA 93584-0065                     Rocketry books - new and used
    (818) 349-4825
    [email]

    Saturn Press                              Books on scale rocketry,
    P. O. Box 3709                              rocketry scale reference
    Ann Arbor, MI 48106-3709                    materials, a great rockets
    (313) 677-2321                              of the world poster.
    [email]                          (see section on books)
      (Peter Alway)                           Catalog: FREE
    http://members.aol.com/satrnpress/saturn.htm

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2.2.7  International (outside U.S.A.) rocketry sources.

    The following is a listing of rocketry dealers, suppliers, manufacturers,
    hobby shops, etc.  This listing is very incomplete.  Please send
    comments and revisions to [email] so that this listing can be
    updated.  In the future, it is hoped that Part 13 of the rec.rockets.models
    FAQ will handle this section.  Please refer to Part 13 of the FAQ for more
    information.

    Advanced Rocket Components                High-power rocketry supplier
    P.O. Box 12957                             motors, kits, books, supplies
    London W12 0WE
    England, UK
    44 (0) 181 932 7772
    [email]

    Aerospace Education                        Model rocketry and high power
    Box 13-368 Onehunga                           kits, engines, and supplies
    Auckland  NEW ZEALAND
    09-624 3091
    09-624 2165 (FAX)
    [email]
    http://www.creative.co.nz/index/lyle/hpr.htm

    Atlas Ingenjorsfirma AB                   Manufacturer
    Nordana 147                                Scale rocket kits
    S-232 91 Arlov                             Model rocket motors (1/2A - D)
    Sweden
    46 40-44 55 80

    Rocketeers                                 Model rocketry and high power
    Box 7032                                    kits, engines, and supplies
    Roodeport
    SOUTH AFRICA 1715
    011 27 11 475 0880

    List of known European Manufacturers and Dealers:

         http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/omissbach/rocketli.htm

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2.3 What are some good books to read to learn more about model and high power
    rocketry?

   Handbook of Model Rocketry, Sixth Edition
       G. Harry Stine
       Synopsis:
         THE handbook on model rocketry. Covers just about everything you need
       to get started. Good tips for experienced modelers as well. Sixth
       edition was published March 1994. Available from several sources,
       including NARTS.

   Basics of Model Rocketry, 2nd edition
       Douglas R. Pratt
       Kalmbach Books, 1993
       Synopsis:
         A general introduction to model rocketry.
       The 2nd edition is highly revised and has become available as of Jan.
       1993. The first edition is very Estes/Centuri/FSI oriented. The
       second edition includes sections on composite motors, Aerotech, NCR
       and other more recent manufacturers.

   Model Rocket Design and Construction
       Timothy S. Van Milligan ([email])
       Kalmbach Books, 1995
       Synopsis:
         120 pages, 16 chapters, 240 illustrations, 40 photographs;
       This book is geared towards modelers wanting to know more about the
       art and science of building better rockets. Includes chapters on
       design, improving performance, constructions and other topics.
       The coverage of glider and helicopter recovery, the glossary, and
       construction and repoir techniques is very good.

   69 Simple Science Fair Projects with Model Rockets: Aeronautics
       Timothy S. Van Milligan ([email])
       Published by Apogee Components
       ISBN 0-9653620-0-0
       Synopsis:
         104 pages pages consisting of 5 chapters and 3 appendicies; including
         83 illustrations. Soft cover with 4-color artwork.
       This book contains topic ideas for rocketry related science fair projects
       from very simple experiments that can be done in an afternoon, to some
       complex ones that require more sophisticated measuring equipment. Each
       project begins with some background information that explains why the
       topic is important and should be researched. Most projects also give a
       starting point that tell what type of equipment may be needed, and also
       where the experimenter should go for additional background research.
       This is not a cookbook approach, as the actual experiment must be designed
       by the researcher.

   Model Rocket Propulsion
       Timothy S. Van Milligan ([email])
       Published by Apogee Components
       Synopsis:
         This two-volume publication explains in simple terms how a model rocket
       motor works. Through many hands-on demonstrations, students will understand
       the basic principles of rocketry, and how model rocket motors are similar
       to the solid rockets used by the Space Shuttle to launch astronauts into
       orbit.  Volume 1 is a 48 page booklet that can be used as a foundation for
       any educational unit on rocketry or space exploration.  The second 12 page
       volume describes more than 16 different rocket demonstrations that can be
       performed to provide "hands-on" learning of the basic rocket principles.
       Recommended for grades 6 and above.

   The Model Rocketry Handbook
       Stuart Lodge
       Argus Books 1990
       ISBN 1-85486-047-X
       Synopsis:
         British handbook on model rocketry. Geared towards beginners, but some
       good tips for more experienced rocketeers.

   Stu's Space: The Gospel According to Stuart Lodge
      Stuart Lodge
      25 Huntington Drive
      Castle Donington
      Derby DE74 2SR
      U.K.
     Synopsis:
        A more advanced book than his "The Model Rocketry Handbook". Includes
      10 chapters on Construction Techniques, Ignition and Launch Systems,
      Recovery Systems, Stability, and more.  Self published by Stuart
      using high quality photocopies.  Available directly from Stu.

   Rockets of the World, 2nd edition
      Peter Alway ([email])
      Saturn Press, 1995
      Synopsis:
        This book contains information on more than 200 versions of 137
      rockets from 14 countries and Europe. An absolute must buy for
      scale modeling enthusiasts and rocketry enthusiasts in general.
      Available via mail order from Saturn Press, NARTS, Quest, Countdown
      Hobbies, Magnum, Mountainside Hobbies and other sources.

   Retro Rockets:  Experimental Rockets 1926-1941
      Peter Alway ([email])
      Saturn Press, 1996
      Synopsis:
         More than 30 rockets flown by Robert Goddard and his
         contemporaries, depicted with dimensioned drawings,
         color-keyed drawings, and photographs.  Historical
         backgraound for each.  96-page hardcover.

   The Art of Scale Model Rocketry
       Peter Alway ([email])
       Saturn Press, 1994
       Synopsis:
         A complete and well written guide to building scale model rockets
       from scratch. Includes chapters on obtaining scale data,
       building techniques, and finishing your model. Also includes NAR
       scale competition tips. Complete plans for 13 different scale projects
       are presented. 96 pages, wirebound.

   Second Stage: Advanced Model Rocketry
       Michael A. Banks
       Kalmbach Books, 1985
       Synopsis:
         A good introduction to E/F/G level rocketry. Some good construction
       hints.
       [email]
       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mikebanks

   Rocket Propulsion Elements, An Introduction to the Engineering of Rockets.
       George P. Sutton.
       Sixth Edition, A Wiley-Interscience Publication,
       John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 1992

   Teaching Science Through Model Rocketry
       Tony Wayne
       3 Pigs Publishing, 1994
       Synopsis:
         The book is for the individual who teaches rocketry to others or is
       looking for another aspect of science to teach. It covers lesson plans,
       class setup, physics demonstrations, rocketry labs, rocket science
       background, teaching aides and more. Over 250 pages.
     Contact:
       Tony Wayne
       58 Court Place
       Charlottesville, VA 22901-2457

    Space Shuttle: The History of Developing the National Space Transportation
        System"
       Dennis R. Jenkins
         Second Edition, published 1996 by Dennis R. Jenkins
       Synopsis:
         contains enough drawings, artist's illustrations, and descriptive
         information to document several vehicles for future sport scale
         (and scale in a few cases).  The vehicles covered include Sanger's
         Antipodal Bomber, Tsien's V2-derived hypersonic research aircraft,
         Sanger I, Sanger II, X-15, delta-winged X-15, X-20, Spiral,
         System 50/50, BOR-4, BOR-5, Energia-Buran, SV-5D PRIME, HL-10, M2-F2,
         X-24A, B, and C, all of Maxime Faget's MSC Space Shuttle designs
       Contact:
        Mr. Dennis R. Jenkins
        8700 Ridgewood Avenue
        Unit B-406
        Cape Canaveral, FL 32920-2032
        (407) 868-0184
        [email]

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2.4 Are there any rocketry magazines available?

  "Sport Rocketry"
      Journal of the National Association of Rocketry
      Published 6 times/year; subscription: $24/year
      Subscription:   Sport Rocketry
                      c/o National Association of Rocketry Headquarters
                      P.O. Box 177
                      Altoona, WI 54270
                      (800) 262-4872
                      http://www.nar.org/

  "High Power Rocketry Magazine"
      An independent consumer rocketry magazine. Formerly the journal of
      the Tripoli Rocket Society.
      Published 9 times/yr.; subscription $37.50/year
      Subscription:  High Power Rocketry
                     PO Box 96
                     Orem, Utah 84059-0096
                     [email]

  "The Rocketeer Collector's Journal"
      A publication for serious rocket collectors.
      Published 4 issues per year; subscription $16.00/year,
                                                $25 outside US/Canada
      Subscription:  Danny E. Sagstetter, editor
                     4432 North Fourth St.
                     Columbus OH 43224-1035
                     (614)268-6927
                     (614)268-3247 FAX
                     [email]

   "AstroMag"
      Canadian Rocketry magazine
      Published 3 times a year; subscription $14.95/year,
                                             $19.95 outside US/Canada
      Subscription:  AstroMag
                     17865 Meloche Street
                     Pierrefonds, Quebec
                     H9J 3P9  Canada
                     [email]
                     http://www.game-master.com/yves/

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Copyright (c) 1996, 1997 Wolfram von Kiparski, editor.
Refer to Part 00 for the full copyright notice.


subject: rec.models.rockets FAQ Part 03 - Rocketry on the Internet

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Archive-name: model-rockets/internet
Rec-models-rockets-archive-name: rockets-faq/part03
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 1997 May 1
URL: http://dtm-corp.com/~sven/rockets/rmrfaq.toc.html

Rec.Models.Rockets Frequently Asked Questions: PART 3 OF 14

ROCKETRY ON THE INTERNET

3.1  How do I get to the r.m.r archive site?

     To access the archive via the World Wide Web:
      (This has lately been the most reliable way of accessing the archive.)

         http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/archives/rec.models.rockets.

       The r.m.r. archive is also mirrored at:

         http://www.cmass.org:8000/rec.models.rockets/

     To access the archive via FTP:

         The r.m.r archive is available via anonymous ftp to sunsite.unc.edu.
         Login as 'anonymous' and specify your email address as password.
         Rocketry files are located in the following directory:

         /pub/archives/rec.models.rockets

         If you attempt to login specifying the above directory tree, you
         will be denied access.  Login at the root directory, and then
         move down through the directory tree until you get to the archive.
         SunSite used to not be this way, but they made access via ftp a
         little more cumbersome for security reasons.

    SUNSITE IS A BUSY PLACE!  If you attempt to access the archive via ftp
    during the day, you probably will be denied access.  Why?  Most ftp sites
    that allow anonymous login limit the number of users that can access the
    site at one time.  During the day, and even into the evening hours,
    hundreds of people are attempting to logon.  These people are not all
    rocketeers all trying to logon at once.  SunSite, and its mirrors,
    archive the Linux operating system, and the site everyday gets flooded
    with Linux users trying to find whatever they need.
    WHAT TO DO?  If all you want to do is browse and download, then use
    your favorite web browser.  If the response is slow at the r.m.r. sunsite
    archive, try the r.m.r. cmass archive.  If you want to upload a file,
    try late at night.  If all else fails, keep trying.  Very early Monday
    morning seems to be easiest, as well as during major holidays.

    The archive system is a Sun system running SunOS version of Unix.
    Remember that upper and lower case letters are different and unique on
    Unix systems. The files 'abc' and 'ABC' are different and may both be
    located in the same directory. Remember also that directory paths are
    separated by forward slashes (/), not colons or back slashes.

    Robert Sisk, the r.m.r archive moderator, writes the following:
      "For those of you who do not know about SunSite: SunSite is the place
       where rec.models.rockets keeps it archive.  Sunsite is available via
       anonymous FTP to "SunSite.UNC.EDU".  All of the r.m.r archive files
       are located at " pub/archives/rec.models.rockets". Uploads to SunSite
       should be placed into the "/incoming/rockets" directory.
       Why this directory? Well, the r.m.r archives are on SunSite, but they
       are managed by me (I volunteered). I only monitor the "rockets"
       directory for uploads. If you upload a file somewhere else, it MAY
       find its way to ME and eventually get placed into the archive.
       Currently, I am the ONLY person who places files into the r.m.r.
       archive. As other r.m.r members will tell you, I am open to
       suggestions for how to improve the archive.  Please remember, I do
       this in my spare time! SunSite is not my job.  One final note,
       when uploading a file to SunSite please send email to
         [email]
       telling me that you did upload a file and include a sentence or two
       telling me a little about the file."

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3.2  What is available from the r.m.r archive?

     This is the 'official' archive site for rocketry-related materials
     submitted by r.m.r contributors. The archive has a number of useful
     files.  The following are some of the subdirectories of the archive,
     and a brief description of what is in them.

      ARTICLES - documents.  Informative how-to articles, and other text.

      BATF - BATF information

      CATALOGS - manufacturer catalogs (a few might actually be current)

      CYBERROC - various software for rocketry, including VCP

      DIGITRAK - a directory for DigiTrak rocket flight modeling software

      ELECTRONICS - rocketry electronics

      FAA - FAA information

      GRAPHICS - pictures of rockets, launches, and people, scale data, logos, etc.

      LISTS - certified motor lists, club listings

      PLANS - rocket plans, including old kit plans and decal scans

      PROGRAMS - rocketry software, including tracking software and propep

      PROGRAMS.MAC - rocketry software for the Mac

      PROGRAMS1 - more rocketry software

      PROGRAMS2 - even more rocketry software

      PROGRAMS3 - yet even more rocketry software

      PROGRAMS4 - lots more rocketry software - Go Nuts!

      R.M.R_POSTINGS - an archive of every r.m.r. posting since late Nov. 1991

      RASP - a directory for RASP rocket flight modeling software (PC and Mac)

      RMRFAQ - the r.m.r. FAQ

      ROCKetCAD - demo CAD software for rockets

      SOUNDS - .WAV and Macintosh System 7 sound files of launches

      Winroc - a directory for WinRoc rocket flight modeling software

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3.3  How do I upload files to the r.m.r. archive?

      You can upload files to the archive by anonymous ftp via the following URL:

          ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/incoming/rockets

      Login as anonymous, and use your email address as a password.  Once in, go
      to the "rockets" subdirectory under the "incoming" directory.  Upload your
      files there.

      You won't be able to use a web browser to do any of this.  Use an ftp client
      instead.

      AFTER YOU UPLOAD A FILE, you must notify the archive's volunteer maintainer,
      Bob Sisk, at   [email].  Tell him that you uploaded something
      to the archive, and also describe whatever it is that you uploaded.  Bob will
      then move the file into the archive.  Since he does do this in his spare time,
      it may take up to a few days for him to do this, especially if he is busy.
--------------------------------------------------
3.4  What if I don't have ftp access? Can I still get to files from the
          r.m.r archive?

      There is another method for accessing files from the archive for
      those that don't have ftp access: ftp-by-email.

      Ftp-by-mail uses a special email address called 'ftpmail' to receive
      requests to get or put files from or to an ftp site.  To access this
      facility, mail a message to '[email]'.  The subject of
      the message doesn't matter. In the body of the message put only the
      commands to specify the system where the files are located and the
      files you want to retrieve.  For example, the following commands would
      get the index of all the files in the r.m.r archive and also retrieve
      the FAQ:

        connect sunsite.unc.edu anonymous (your email address)
        cd pub/archives/rec.models.rockets
        get RMRINDEX
        cd RMRFAQ
        get rmrfaq.p00
        get rmrfaq.p01
        get rmrfaq.p02
        get rmrfaq.p03
        get rmrfaq.p04
        get rmrfaq.p05
        get rmrfaq.p06
        get rmrfaq.p07
        get rmrfaq.p08
        get rmrfaq.p09
        get rmrfaq.p10
        get rmrfaq.p11
        get rmrfaq.p12
        get rmrfaq.p13
        get rmrfaq.p14
        quit

     Be sure to use your full email address without the parantheses.
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3.5. I have read-only access to r.m.r.  Is there any way I can still post
        articles to the newsgroup?

     You can post to any Usenet news group by sending mail to one of
     several mail gateways around the world. Send mail to one of these sites
     with the subject line being the subject of the post and the body
     of the message being the body of the post. Your email will be
     forwarded to the indicated news group. Use 'dashes'
     instead of 'dots' in the news group name.
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3.6  What are .ps files?  How can I read them?

     .ps files are PostScript files and are really meant to be printed on a
     PostScript laser printer rather than be viewed.  However, there is software
     available that will allow you to view the files.

     This is what you have to do:

     To Print Files:

       You need to have access to a PostScript-compatible laser printer.  An
       ink-jet or dot-matrix printer will not work.

       If you have a DOS machine, simply copy the file to the printer.

       C:\copy your_rocket_file.ps prn

       Macs have their own way of doing things.  Easiest is to use the widely
       available utilities, DropPS or  PSPooPoo.  Simply drag-and-drop the icon
       for the file onto the utilities icon.  The software and PostScript laser
       printer will do the rest.

       Scott Johnson <[email]> adds this note:

       You can print .PS (PostScript) files directly to a PS capable printer
       (any HP printer with an M in the model name is PS capable, as well as
       any MAC printer I think).  If your printer is NOT PS capable, you can use
       GV/GS to rasterize the image and spit the bit-mapped image to your printer.

     To View Files:

       Norman Heyen <[email]> tells us to:

       Go to ftp.cs.wisc.edu. Change to the /ghost/rjl dir and get
       gsview21.zip (1.2megs) This is the ghostview program and contains the
       installation stuff.

       Then go to /ghost/aladdin and get:
         gs403fn1.zip (1.1megs)
         gs403ini.zip (700k)
         and one of the following, depending on your platform:
         gs403dos.zip -or- gs403os2.zip -or- gs403win.zip -or- gs403w32.zip.

       The easiest way is to put them all in a temp dir, unzip the gsview21 file
       and read the instructions. (You will need to read them before too long
       anyway) Then run the setup (or is it install) program.

       Works pretty slick, but is a bit of a pain in the neck. From there, read
       the .ps file into gsview (it will be displayed on the screen) and use the
       print function to convert to other file formats.

       (Seems easier just to print the file - editor)

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3.7. What are some neat rocketry web pages to check out?

     *** IMPORTANT ROCKETRY WEB SITES ***

        HTML version of the entire FAQ:

            http://dtm-corp.com/~sven/rockets/rmrfaq.toc.html

        ROCKETRY ONLINE

         Rocketry Online is a comprehensive web site for everything to do with
         rocketry and the Internet.  Darryl Mobley has made a great effort in
         maintaining this site, and if it is out there, you can find it here:

            http://www.rocketryonline.com/

        NAR: The National Association of Rocketry home page
            http://www.nar.org

            Home page of the NAR. This contains information on rocketry in
            general, This pagee includes links on:
               - How to join the NAR
               - List of NAR certified motors
               - NAR Technical Services (NARTS) on-line catalog
               - Sport Rocketry magazine
               - Model and High Power safety codes
               - NAR Section List with contact addresses
               - Schedule of NAR-sanctioned meets and sport launches

        TRA - Tripoli Rocketry Association
            http://www.tripoli.org

            Official home page of the Tripoli Rocketry Association

        CAR - Canadian Association of Rocketry
            www.rmc.ca/~rea/car.htm

            Home page of the Canadian Association of Rocketry. Check out what's
            happening north of the U.S.

        Australian Rocketry Association
            Email:  [email]  (David Sakko, Vice President)

        New Zealand High Power Rocketry
            www.creative.co.nz/index/lyle/hpr.htm

            Home page for the New Zealand High Power Rocketry organization. Get a taste
            of rocketry WAY down south.

        SAMROC
            http://samroc.lonnet.co.za/

            South Africa Model Rocket Club

        rec.models.rockets Buying Frenzy site:
            http://www.princeton.com/sjohnson/RocketryPage/Frenzy

            Scott Johnson has created web pages dedicated to the RMR "rocket
            buying frenzy."  It is here where you can get pictures, ordering and
            contact info, statistics, reviews (when posted to RMR or sent in),
            quotes from RMR'ers, etc! Helps answer the question "What is this
            frenzy?"

     *** ROCKETRY CLUB HOME PAGES BY STATE ***

        ALABAMA
            HARA: Huntsville Area Rocketry Association, NAR Section 403
            http://fly.hiwaay.net/~bday/hara/hara.htm

        ARIZONA
            Arizona High Power Rocketry Association
            http://www.goodnet.com/~roktdan/ahpra/

            SARA: Southern Arizona Rocket Association, NAR Section 545
            http://www.primenet.com/~tmorgan/sara.html

            SSS: Superstition Spacemodeling Society, NAR Section
            http://www.netcom.com/~tabarr/sss.html

        CALIFORNIA
            AEROPAC
            http://www.aeropac.org/aeropac/

            BAYNAR: NAR Section 359
            http://www.airaffair.com/Clubs/baynar.html

            DART: Diego Area Rocket Team, NAR Section 317
            http://users.aol.com/DART317/

            LUNAR: Livermore Unit of the NAR, NAR Section 534
            http://www.lunar.org/

            ROC: Rocketry Organization of California, NAR Section 538
            http://www.adradio.com/~jds/roc.html

        COLORADO
            COSROCS: Colorado Rocket Society, NAR Section 515
            http://www.rmi.net/craftscorner/cosrocs/cosrocs.htm

        FLORIDA
            Jerry Garcia Rocketry Club
            http://rio.atlantic.net/~elric/jerry.html

            Spaceport Rocketry Association, NAR Section 342
            http://www.metrolink.net/~riley/

        ILLINOIS
             CIA: Central Illinois Aerospace, NAR Section 527
             http://www.prairienet.org/rec/cia/

        INDIANA
             SCAM: Summit City Aerospace Modelers, NAR Section 282
             http://www.mixi.net/~bobhart/scam/scam.html

        KANSAS
              K.L.O.U.D.Busters Inc., TRA Prefect
              http://www.sound.net/~petek

        KENTUCKY
              Kentuckiana Rocketry Association
              http://www.louisville.edu/~atjewe01/kra.html

        MARYLAND
              NAR Headquarters AeroModelers Society, NAR Section 139
              http://chemgod.slip.umd.edu/~narhams

        MASSACHUSETTS
              CMASS: Central Massachusetts Spacemodeling Society, NAR Section 464
              http://www.cmass.org:8000/

        NEW JERSEY
              Garden State Tripoli
              http://www.cyberenet.net/~drusso

        NEW YORK
              ASTRE: Albany-Schenectady-Troy Rocket Enthusiasts of New York,
              Section 471 of the NAR
              http://www.netheaven.com/~wolf/astre.html

              LIARS:  Long Island Advanced Rocketry Society, TRA Prefecture 29,
               and the North Shore Section 142 of the NAR
              http://qa.pica.army.mil/~dkatz/liars.html

              MARS:  Monroe Astronautical Rocket Society, NAR Section 136
              http://nysernet.org/staff/billowens/mars/mars.html

              Tripoli Western New York
              http://members.gnn.com/RocketWeb/RocketWeb.htm

        OHIO
              Northern Ohio's Tri City Sky Busters, NAR Section 535
              http://www.beacon.com/%7Efrazer/nar535/

        OKLAHOMA
              Oklahoma Tripoli
              http://www.flash.net/~jbolene/okc-trip.htm

        PENNSYLVANIA
              Pittsburgh Space Command, NAR Section 473
              http://news.third-wave.com/mikea/psc.html

        TEXAS
            DARS: Dallas Area Rocket Society, NAR Section 308
            http://www.dars.org/

            Hill Country Tripoli, Austin
            http://www.ddg.com/HCT/

            NHRC: NASA/Houston Rocket Club, NAR Section 365, TRA 002
            http://www.phoenix.net/~rocket/club.html

        UTAH
            UROC: Utah Rocketry Club
            http://www.lgcy.com/users/n/nbaker/uroc.htm

        VIGINIA
            NOVAAR: Northern Virginia Area Association of Rocketry
            http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/8561

     *** WEB SITES OF GENERAL INTEREST TO ROCKETRY ***

        American Science and Surplus
            http://www.sciplus.com

        Apollo-Saturn Reference Page
            John Duncan's guide to the Saturn V and Saturn 1b, with loads of
            scale data for the modeler.
            http://thebest.net/jduncan/index.html

        Balsa Wood, Interesting Facts
            http://www.peinet.pe.ca/ECMC/techbal.html

        BATF
            http://www.atf.treas.gov/

        BATF "Orange Book"
             A scanned copy of the BATF non-copyrighted book titled,
             "ATF - Explosived Law and Regulation," generously
             provided by Tom Perigrin and Doug Caskey.
             http://mercury.aichem.arizona.edu/~tip/legal/Orange.html
             http://members.aol.com/RocketWeb/atf/orange.htm

        Certified Motor Listings
            NAR Standards and Testing Committee
              http://www.nar.org/
            Tripoli Motor Testing
              http://sunsite.unc.edu/rockets

        Cineroc Sites
            Places were you can find stuff about the old Estes Cineroc movie camera
            http://zorba.uafadm.alaska.edu/tvc/caps/caps201/s96students/rthomas/cinerocmovie.html
            http://hccadb.hcc.hawaii.edu/~cs_rapozo/modroc.html

        Early Space Flight
           John Sisson of UC Irvine has created terrific web page about early
           visions of spaceflight, including material from Ley, Disney, and our
           own G. Harry Stine.
           http://sun3.lib.uci.edu/~jsisson/john.htm

        Electronics and Rocketry
           Ed's web site devoted to electronics used in consumer rocketry.
           Currently has VCP files and information about Taniwha Flight Computers
           http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7318

        FAA Form 7711-2 Application for Certificate of Waiver
            downloadable/printable copy of Form 7711-2
            http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/Waiver.htm

        FreeFlight - An e-zine devoted to free flight gliders
            http://www.ff.grci.com

        K-12 education - A list of suitable rocketry related projects
            http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/Other_Groups/K-12/activities_text/rockets

        Model/High Power Rocketry Motor Dimensions
            http://members.aol.com/Dylander/motors.html

        Model Rocket Drag Analysis
            John DeMar's R&D report containing useful CD data
            http://web.syr.edu/~smdemar/rocketdrag.html

        Model Rocketry for Educator's
            Vincent Oraze's guide to model rocketry for educators.
            http://members.aol.com/voraze/toc.html

        Northeast Regional Contest Board page
            Jeff Vincent's guide to running a competition.
            Information for competitors in the NE Region.
            Current NAR point standings, by division.
            http://www.wizvax.net/jvincent/nercb.html

        Water Rockets
            Gary Ensmenger's Water Rocket Playground:
            http://www.h2orocket.com

        Yahoo -
            http://www.yahoo.com/Recreation/Hobbies_and_Crafts/Rockets

            The above is a great starting point and has a large number of pointers
            to other rocketry sites.

     http://dtm-corp.com/~sven/rockets/rockets.html

            This is the rocketry page of Sven Knudson.
            He has the most up-to-date HTML version of
              the rec.models.rockets FAQ.
            He also has great rocketry pages and the rec.models.scale FAQ.

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author: Puc Ouajio

subject: Re: Messages

text:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:07:32 GMT, [email] (teg) wrote:

Yes.

Well that one was fine :-))

Cheers,

Jim.


author: Kathy I. Morgan

subject: Re: Messages

text:
teg <[email]> wrote:

Yes, but how long is too long depends some on your news server and
whether you want the messages to receive good propagation.  If you are
posting binaries, you'll need to split them into reasonable sized pieces
for most servers.

If you are posting to text groups, snip out any quoted text not needed
for context.  Large sections of irrelevant quoted text will annoy other
readers and you may see complaints about it.

Also, keep in mind that the average reading level is probably about 5th
to 7th grade.  In most groups (of course there are exceptions) your
messages will be better received if you use relatively short sentences
and break the messages into paragraphs.  Make it concise and easy to
read.  (That means do as I say, not as I do--I've a tendency to get
wordy and convoluted.)


author: Red Mike

subject: Re: Messages

text:
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 05:53:00 GMT, [email] (Kathy I.
Morgan) wrote:

Depends on the readership too.

Some newsreaders can filter out messges over x number of lines, and I
know several people who do this, Memory is they block at 200 lines.

I tend not to download articles that show over 100 lines.

There's an old saying for a business memo:  one page.

This ought to apply to Usenet somehow.

For a new message, I think readership is best at about 4 paragraphs,
maybe 7 or 8 lines max each.

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