subject:
FAQ: comp.lang.tcl Frequently Asked Questions (5/5)
	(Last updated: December 17, 1993)

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Archive-name: tcl-faq/part5
Version: 4.4
Last-modified: December 17, 1993

	For more information concerning Tcl (see "tcl-faq/part1"),
(see "tcl-faq/part2"), (see "tcl-faq/part3"), or (see "tcl-faq/part4").

Index of questions:

XIII. Since Tcl/Tk appear to be extensible, are there any common extensions?
	o adatcl
	o addinput
	o Tcl argument processing
	o argument parsing with defaults
	o array name string matching extension
	o binary I/O
	o BLT toolkit
	o busy window
	o C++ compilation  of tk
	o C++ Tcl objects
	o calculator
	o Calc_Object
	o calendar
	o Canvas bitmap mask extension
	o CASTE
	o color settings
	o dashproc
	o define bitmaps in tk scripts
	o Drag and Drop directory browser
	o deck.tk
	o Directed Acyclic Graph (DAG) widgets
	o Disjoint listbox selections (Ewing)
	o Disjoint listbox selections (Ewing/Lutz)
	o Disjoint listbox selections (Raines)
	o Eiffel / Tcl interface
	o Enabled Mail
	o file I/O as events
	o file select (sherman)
	o file select (Silva)
	o font settings
	o foreach additional list enhancement
	o FSBox - file selection box
	o fumx
	o graph
	o GroupKit
	o HTML for Alpha
	o Hush
	o iconbutton
	o [incr Tcl]
	o Informix interface
	o Key List printing procedures
	o Key symbols enhanced support
	o Lamda pure Tcl functions - noble
	o Lamda anonymous procedures - thomas
	o Lamda functions - Wallach
	o lisp2wish
	o list select
	o list quicksort
	o Major / Minor command support
	o moreButtons
	o Multibyte Support for Tk
	o Multiple interpreter support
	o Multiple Extensions Management and Dynamic Linking
	o Mxedit
	o net CDF
	o Network management
	o Extension for Apple's Open Scripting Architecture
	o Oracle extension to Tcl.
	o Pacco (Pavia Active-Component Compound Objects)
	o Pack widget with no shrink option
	o package extension
	o Pie menus
	o Photo widget
	o Pixmap support 3.2
	o Pixmap support 3.3
	o Postgres extensions
	o procedure tracing
	o Salmon random numbers
	o readline-like function support for tcl
	o readline-like function support for tk
	o RenderMan bindings
	o Reregister interpreter name
	o Safe Tcl Interpreter
	o Scheme-based Tk
	o searchbox
	o secure tcl
	o showproc.tcl
	o SIPP extensions
	o Spreadsheet
	o SQL support
	o SunOS dld package
	o Sybase Tcl
	o System V ipc
	o tcl and tk shared library support
	o tcl debugger (libes)
	o tcl debugger (extended tcl)
	o Tcl externals
	o Tcl IPC interface
	o Tcl Packages
	o Tcl Packages simplified
	o Tcl SQL
	o Tcl-DP
	o tcl2array
	o tclcompare
	o tclIV
	o tclMIDI
	o tclOBST
	o tclprof
	o tclRawTCP
	o tclsockets
	o tclTCP
	o tclvogle
	o Extended Tcl (tclX)
	o tclX / Tk merge
	o tclX dynamic library patches
	o tclXt
	o tclXtsend
	o tcl_streams
	o tcpConnect
	o TDebug
	o text widget enhancements
	o theObjects
	o Tix widget set
	o Tk Japanized; support for Kanji
	o Tk auxilary library of bindings
	o tk Bell and Cutbuffer patches
	o Tk Canvas Segments
	o Tk Emacs bindings
	o Tk Emacs widget
	o Tk focus follows pointer
	o Tk Perl
	o tk RichText Format widget
	o Tk without X (beta)
	o tk-mod.shar
	o tkCanvSeg
	o tkFScale
	o tkGLXwin
	o TkSteal
	o tkText (Tk 1.3 compatible - Christenson)
	o tkText (Tk 1.3 compatible - Cole)
	o tkText (Tk 2.0 compatible)
	o Tooltalk interface
	o Transportable Objects
	o tree widget (brighton)
	o tree widget (richardson)
	o turtle graphics
	o validate
	o varframe
	o warp
	o widgetTree
	o wmstuff
	o X11 XID enhancement - kaplan
	o X11 XID enhancement - hoegeman

XIV. Is there any commercial use of Tcl/Tk?

End of FAQ Index

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From: FAQ Tcl/Tk Package Catalog
Subject: -XIII- Since Tcl/Tk appear to be extensible, are there any
		common extensions?

What: adatcl
Where: ftp://ftp.cs.colorado.edu/pub/cs/distribs/arcadia/adatcl7.3.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/adatcl7.3.tar.Z
Description: Interface between Verdix/Sunada compiler and Tcl.
Contact: [email] (Dennis Heimbigner)

What: addinput
Where: ftp://ftp.neosoft.com/pub/distrib/addinput-3.4a.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/addinput-3.4a.Z
Description: Implements two new Tk file handle callback commands.
Contact: "Mark Diekhans" <[email]>

What: Tcl argument processing
Where: From the contact
Description: Provides Tk-like argument processing to Tcl proc writers.
Contact: [email] (Karl Lehenbauer)

What: argument parsing with defaults
Where: From the contact
Description: Tcl code to parse arguments and provide default values.
	See theObjects-2.x for a C version.
Contact: [email] (Juergen Wagner)

What: array name string matching extension
Where: From the contact
Description: A small extension to tclVar to allow a pattern to be
	used with the "array names" command.  An array used as a
	2D-array by having elements of the form:  matrix(x,y) could be
	accessed by: array names matrix "1,*" to return all elements in
	the first column.
Contact: [email] (Stephen A Uhler)

What: binary I/O
Where: From the contact
Description: Tcl based way of reading binary data containing nulls.
Contact: "John Robert LoVerso" <[email]>

What: BLT toolkit
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/BLT-1.0b2.tar.Z
Description: Library of Tk extensions.  Includes new versions of
	graph, barchart, htext, and busy widgets, a table geometry
	manager and several other useful commands.
Contact: [email] (George A. Howlett)

What: busy window
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/busy-1.1.tar.Z
Description: Tk extension to create a busy command which prevents the
	user from clicking on application buttons while the program is busy.
	The author/contact recommends you move to the BLT toolkit.
Contact: [email] (George A. Howlett)

What: C++ compilation  of tk
Where:	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/distrib/tk3.2forC++.patch
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/distrib/tk3.3b3forC++.patch
Description: A patch that allows tk 3.2 main.c and other extension routines
	to be compiled with a C++ compiler.
Contact: Ken Yap <[email]>

What: C++ Tcl objects
Where: From the contact
Description: C++ code which allows you to develop software in C++
	and create C++ objects which implemented in Tcl/Tk.
Contact: [email] (Stephan Herrmann)

What: Calc_Object
Where: From the contact
Description: A Tcl object which talks to bc via expect.
Contact: "Terrence Brannon" <[email]>

What: calculator
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/calculator.tar.Z
Description: Simple Tk calculator
Contact: "Richard Booth" <[email]>

What: calendar
Where: From the contact
Description: Tk calendar widget
Contact: [email] (Sani Nassif [227])

What: Canvas bitmap mask extension
Where: From the contact
Description: Patch file for tkCanvBmap to add a -mask option for drawing
	bitmaps.
Contact: [email] (Thomas A Fine)

What: CASTE
Where: From the contact
Description: o-o programming based on Common Lisp Object System (CLOS)
Contact: [email] (Michael Braverman)

What:  color settings
Where: From the contact
Description: Tcl procedure to select appropriate color whether machine is
	color or monochrome
Contact: [email] (Juergen Wagner)

What: dashproc
Where: From the contact
Description: Defines procedures that take Tk like options and forces them
	to become variables in your procedure.
Contact: [email] (Phil Gordon)

What: define bitmaps in tk scripts
Where: From the contact
Description: Add a Tk command called defbitmap which allows you to define the
	hex codes for a bitmap to be used in a script.
Contact: [email] (Makoto Ishisone)

What: Drag and Drop directory browser
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/dragdrop-1.1.tar.Z
Description: Graphical paradigm for coordinating "send" commands
	Allows widgets to be registered as drag&drop sources/targets.
Contact: "Michael J. Mclennan" <[email]>

What: deck.tk
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/code/deck.tk
Description: A simple implementation of InterViews "deck" widget
Contact: [email] (Joe VanAndel)

What: Directed Acyclic Graph (DAG) widgets
Where: From the contact
Description: Tk DAG display widget (computed in LISP and visualized in Tk).
	To be made available in May, 1993.
Contact: [email] (Juergen Wagner)

What: Disjoint listbox selections (Ewing)
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/Listbox.patch
Description: Tk 3.2 listbox Disjoint selections.
Contact: "Marc R. Ewing" <[email]>

What: Disjoint listbox selections (Ewing/Lutz)
Where: From the contact
Description: Port of Ewing's patch to the latest Tk.
Contact: [email] (Dale Lutz)

What: Disjoint listbox selections (Raines)
Where: From the contact
Description: Code similar to that used by TkMail generalized.
Contact: [email] (Paul E. Raines)

What: SunOS dld package
Where: From the contact
Description: Tcl front end for SunOS 4.x dynamic loading routines.
Contact: "Jean-Luc Chatelain" <[email]>

What: Eiffel / Tcl interface
Where: ftp://ftp.dcs.gla.ac.uk/pub/glasgow-fp/authors/Duncan_Sinclair/fumx.*
Description: A set of functions to allow an Eiffel program to invoke the
	Tcl interpreter.
Contact: [email] (Stephan Herrmann)

What: Enabled Mail
Where: ftp://ftp.ics.uci.edu/mrose/safe-tcl/safe-tcl.tar.Z
Description: Incoming email processing tool based on Tcl
Contact: [email]

What: file I/O as events
Where: From the contact
Description: A Tk file handler command which uses Tk_CreateFileHandler().
Contact: [email]

What: file select (Silva)
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/fileselect.tcl.Z
Description: file selector box
Contact: "Mario Jorge Silva" <[email]>

What: file select (sherman)
Where: From the contact
Description: A "more over-developed file-selection mechanism".
Contact: [email] (Aaron Sherman)

What: Tk focus follows pointer
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/focus3.1a.PATCH
Description: Tk 3.[12] patch to implement focus follows pointer and
	key propagation model.
Contact: "Kennard White" <[email]>

What: font settings
Where: From the contact
Description: Tcl package "getfont" which returns a font matching request
	as closely as possible.
Contact: [email] (Spencer W. Thomas)

What: foreach additional list enhancement
Where: From the contact
Description: Enhance the Tcl foreach to support more than one list.
Contact: [email] (Wayne A. Christopher)

What: FSBox - file selection box
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/code/FSBox.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tkFSBox.tar.Z
	coma.cs.tu-berlin.de
Description: Tk 3.x File Selection dialog box
Contact: "Sven Delmas" <[email]>

What: fumx
Where: ftp.dcs.gla.ac.uk:pub/glasgow-fp/authors/Duncan_Sinclair/fumx.part{1,2}
Description: Tk/Tcl extention that allows it to front-end other languages.
Contact: [email]

What: graph
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/graph-1.1.tar.Z
Description: XY graphic plot and hypertext widgets for Tk 2.x
	The author/contact recommends you move to the BLT toolkit.
Contact: "George Howlett" <[email]>

What: GroupKit
Where: ftp://cpsc.ucalgary.ca/pub/roseman/groupkit-1.0.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/groupkit-1.0.tar.Z
Description: Tcl/Tk based version of InterViews GroupKit.
Contact: [email] (Mark Roseman)

What: HTML for Alpha
Where: From the contact.
Description: an early version of an HTML editing mode for
	the MacOS Tcl-based Alpha editor.
Contact: Scott W Brim <[email]>

What: Hush
Where: ftp://ftp.cs.vu.nl/eliens/hush-1.0.tar.Z
	ftp://ftp.cs.vu.nl/eliens/hush-contrib-1.0.tar.Z
Description: C++ API for Tcl/Tk
Contact: [email] (A Eliens)

What: iconbutton
Where: From the contact
Description: Tk 1.4 button widget which displays bitmap
Contact: [email] (Trevor Lowe)

What: [incr Tcl]
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/itcl-1.3.tar.Z
Description: Set of extensions to support object-oriented programming in Tcl.
Contact: [email] (Michael J. McLennan)

What: Informix interface
Where: From the contact
Description: Interface between Informix and Tcl/TK.
Contact: [email]

What: Key List printing procedures
Where: From the contact
Description: Printing TclX keylists for human consumption.
Contact: [email] (Spencer W. Thomas)

What: Key symbols enhanced support
Where: From the contact
Description: Tk enhancement for additional keysym support.
Contact: [email] (Michael Salmon)

What: Lamda pure Tcl functions - noble
Where: From the contact
Description: Provide support for unnamed procs in Tcl.
Contact: [email] (R James Noble)

What: Lamda anonymous procedures - thomas
Where: From the contact
Description: Set of Tcl modifications to allow definition of anonymous
	(unnamed) procedures
Contact: [email] (Spencer W. Thomas)

What: Lamda functions - Wallach
Where: From the contact
Description: Simple proc to provide a lamda-like capability in Tcl.
Contact: [email] (Dan Wallach)

What: lisp2wish
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/code/lisp2wish6.tar.Z
Description: Wish to Common Lisp interface
Contact: [email] (Jonathan Kaye)

What: list select
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/listselect.tcl.Z
Description: Simple file selector
Contact: "Mario Jorge Silva" <[email]>

What: list quicksort
Where: From the contactd
Description: short set of Tcl routines which implement the quicksort
	algorithm over lists using user-defined comparison function.
Contact: [email] (Nat Pryce):w

What: Major / Minor command support
Where: From the contact
Description: Set of modifications to Tcl 6.7/Tk 3.2 to allow the
	dynamic definition of new major and minor commands into Tcl/Tk.
Contact: David Herron <[email]>

What: moreButtons
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/moreButtons-1.0.tar.Z
Description: Small collection of extensions to Tk 3.4 which add a simple
	triangular button at the ends of scroll bar and a button
	which can have both bitmap and text.
Contact: [email] (Daniel Simmons)

What: Multibyte Support for Tk
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extension/patch-16bit.0.2.1.tar.Z
Description: Tk 3.2 support for 2 byte character strings.
Contact: [email] (Kazuro Furukawa)

What: Multiple interpreter support
Where:  ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/minterp-0.9.tar.gz
Description: Create/control Multiple Interpreters from TCL, and also
	Object Oriented Programming.
Contact: David Herron <[email]>

What: Multiple Extensions Management and Dynamic Linking
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/shells-1.0.tar.Z
Description: A small package for dynamic loading of Tcl/Tk extensions as
	suggested during the Tcl 93 Workshop.
	Includes a basic Tcl shell, a modified wish, and
	a SunOS dynamic extension loader.  A tclLoad command
	was posted separately by the author.  I am unsure it's relationship
	to the rest of the package.
Contact: [email] (Alessandro Bollini)

What: Mxedit
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/mxedit.2.1.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/mxedit.menus
	ftp://parcftp.xerox.com/pub/mxedit/mxedit.2.0.3.tar.Z
Description: An editable text Tk widget and a fully functional editor
	based on the widget.  Also, mxedit.menus is a Tcl script to
	put a veneer over Tk menus.
Contact: [email] (Brent Welch)

What: net CDF
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/net_tcl.tar.Z
Description: Tcl wish with hooks for netCDF (??)
Contact: Unknown

What: Network Management / SNMP
Where:  nexus.yorku.ca:~pub/tcl_snmp
	ftp.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de:~pub/languages/tcl/contrib/tcl_snm
	(tcl_curses, tcl_dbm, tcl_mib, tclnm, and tcl_snmp or tk_snmp)
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tcl_curses.shar.Z
Description: An initial implementation of an API for SNMP.  This is currently
	being reworked in the light of SNMPv2.  Please check with the mail-
	server for current status.  Send a help line to the mailserver
	for details of signing up for the SNMP tcl mailing list.
	Also note that the curses, dbm, etc. are various other packages.
	Contact the mailing list to ask for details.
Contact: [email] (Mailing service daemon)

What: Extension for Apple's Open Scripting Architecture
Where: ftp://ftp.msen.com/pub/vendor/ice
Description: Mac tickle extension for Apple's OSA communication.
Contact: Tim Endres

What: Oracle extension to Tcl.
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/oratcl-2.0.tar.Z
Description: Provide access to a Oracle Database server from within Tcl.
	Based on Tcl 7.3.
Contact: "Tom Poindexter" <[email]>

What: Pacco (Pavia Active-Component Compound Objects)
Where: ftp://iride.unipv.it/pub/Pacco/
Description: A way to manage objects in a distributed environment.  Uses
	Tcl 6.7/Tk 3.2, and prefers use of the shells-1.0 environment.
Contact: [email] (Alessandro Rubini)
	[email] (Alberto Biancardi)

What: Pack widget with no shrink option
Where: From the contact
Description: Code to add a noshrink option to Pack so that each button
	can be the same size.
Contact: [email] (Brent Welch)

What: package extension
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/package0.1.patch
Description: Tcl 7 extension to allow collections of related variables
	and procedures.
Contact: [email] (Cimarron Taylor)

What: Pie menus
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tkpie.tar.Z
Description: Menus presented as a slice of a pie rather than a box.
Contact: [email] (Don Hopkins)

What: Photo widget
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/photo-2.3.tar.Z
	ftp://dcssoft.anu.edu.au/pub/tk/photo-2.3.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/photo.tar.Z
Description: widget which displays a monochrome or color image using dithering
	(photo.tar.Z is an older version).
Contact: [email] (Paul Mackerras)

What: Pixmap support 3.2
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/TkPixmap1.5.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/garfield-TkPixmap1.10.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/TkPixmap2.2.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/TkPixmap3.6.tar.Z
	ftp://coma.cs.tu-berlin.de/pub/tcl/extensions/TkPixmap3.6.tar.Z
	ftp://ftp.ibp.fr/pub/tcl/contrib/extensions/TkPixmap3.6.tar.Z
	ftp://nic.funet.fi/pub/languages/tcl/extensions/TkPixmap3.6.tar.Z
	ftp://syd.dit.csiro.au/pub/tk/contrib/extensions/TkPixmap3.6.tar.Z
Description: Tk tkBitmap.c modification to support Xpm 3.2g
	monochrome or color pixmaps.
	Versions supporting previous Tk's are also available.
Contact: [email] (Sven Delmas)

What: Pixmap support 3.3
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/TkPixmap3.3b2-a.tar.gz
	coma.cs.tu-berlin.de
Description: Tk 3.3 tkBitmap.c modification to support pixmap images with
	-bitmap option.  Supports Xpm3, bitmap, and gif.
Contact: [email] (Sven Delmas)

What: Postgres extensions
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/PQTcl.tar.Z
Description: C and C++ versions of interface to the UCB libPQ Postgres
	relational database.
Contact: [email] (Robin J. Maxwell)

What: procedure tracing
Where: From the contact
Description: Tcl procedure tracing package.
Contact: [email] (Brian Smith)

What: Salmon random numbers
Where: From the contact
Description: Tk script displaying Salmon random function.
Contact: [email] (Glen Fullmer)

What: Libes random numbers
Where: From the contact
Description: Modified Samon random function for better behavior.
Contact: [email] (Don Libes)

What: readline-like function support for tcl
Where: From the contact
Description: Mods to tclMain to provide support for the GNU readline
	interface or with a few changes another similar interface.
Contact: [email] (Roger West)

What: readline-like function support for tk
Where: From the contact
Description: Mods to bind readline into wish.
Contact: [email] (Matt Wette)

What: RenderMan bindings
Where: From the contact
Description: Set of bindings to external RenderMan toolkit.
Contact: [email] (Michael B. Johnson)

What: Reregister interpreter name
Where: From the contact (or from the mxedit source code)
Description: Code allows user to change the name of the interpreter.
Contact: [email] (Brent Welch)

What: Safe Tcl Interpreter
Where: From the contact
Description: Tcl cmds to provide some level of security.
Contact: [email] (Karl Lehenbauer)

What: searchbox
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/searchbox-1.0.1.tar.Z
Description: Tk widget written that provides Emacs-like searching bindings
	and incremental, exact and regular expression searching
	abilities to Tk text widgets.
Contact: [email] (Tom Phelps)

What: secure tcl
Where: From the contact
Description: Extension to provide a send message evaluator
Contact: [email] (Thomas A Fine)

What: Scheme-based Tk
Where: ftp://kaolin.unice.fr/pub/STk-1.00.tar.gz
Description: Implementation of Tk replacing Tcl with Scheme.
Contact: [email] (Gallesio Erick)

What: showproc.tcl
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/code/showproc.tcl
Description: A new showproc
Contact: [email] (Lance Ellinghouse)

What: SIPP extensions
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tsipp3.0c.tar.Z
	ftp://ftp.neosoft.com/pub/tcl/distrib/tsipp3.0c.tar.Z
Description: 3D rendering toolkit for Tcl and Tk based on the SImple
	Polygon Processor (SIPP)
Contact: [email] (Mark Diekhans)

What: Spreadsheet
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/code/newspread.tar.Z
Description: Tk Spreadsheet like widget, built using canvas and text
	widgets.
Contact: [email]. (Craig Struble)

What: SQL support
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/isqltcl.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/sql_tcl.tar.Z
Description: A standard document for adding SQL support in Tcl and
	full blown support for INFORMIX in Tcl/Tk.  Now at version 2.1.
Contact: "Srinivas Kumar" <[email]>

What: System V ipc
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/svipc-2.1.1.1.tar.Z
Description: Tcl interface to System V IPC facilities.  Supports
	Tcl 7.3, Tk 3.6, TclX 7.3a.
Contact: "Joe Kelsey" <[email]>

What: Sybase Tcl
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/sybtcl-2.0.tar.Z
Description: Tk 3.0+ interface to Sybase database server, using SQL.
Contact: [email] (Tom Poindexter)

What: tcl2array
Where: ftp://ftp.isi.edu:pub/hpcc-papers/touch/tcl2array.tar.Z
Description: This package assists a developer in creating stand-alone
	tk/tcl applications.  This treats Tcl/Tk as truely embedded - the
	user of an application using this package won't have to install
	Tcl/Tk before using the application.
Contact: [email] (Joe Touch)

What: tclcompare
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tclcompare
Description: Compare two lists for equality
Contact: "David Herron" <[email]>

What: tcl and tk shared library support
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/code/tcltk_shlib.0.4.tar.Z
Description: new Makefile.in files for Tcl and Tk to support
	building both shared and static libraries.
Contact: [email] (Xiaokun Zhu)

What: tcl debugger (libes)
Where: ftp://ftp.cme.nist.gov/pub/expect/tcl-debug.tar.Z
What: tcl debugger extension which can be added to any Tcl/Tk application.
Contact: [email] (Don Libes)

What: tcl debugger (extended tcl)
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tcl.debugger.Z
Description: tclX source level limited debugger (patch to tclX)
Contact: "Karl Lehenbauer" <[email]>

What: Tcl-DP
Where: ftp://mm-ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/multimedia/Tcl-DP/tcl-dp-v3.0.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tcl-dp-v3.0.tar.Z
Description: Tcl Distributed Programming - a public domain extension
	which adds TCP/IP connection management, remote
	procedure call and distributed object protocols to Tcl/Tk.
	Version 3.0 is a major rewrite.
Contact: [email] or
	[email]

What: Tcl extension tools
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/majorminor.tar.Z
Description: Extension to provide a development environment to ease
	implementing new commands within Tcl/Tk.
Contact: "David Herron" <[email]>

What: Tcl externals
Where: From the contact
Description: Tcl 6.x package to implement external variables.
Contact: [email] (Andreas Stolcke)

What: Tcl IPC interface
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tclipc1-0.tar.Z
Description: Implements Tk's send command without requiring Tk or X11.
Contact: "Kim Gillies" <[email]>

What: tclIV
Where: ftp://cpsc.ucalgary.ca/pub/tclIV.tar.Z
Description: Tk wrappers for InterViews 3.1 widgets.
Contact: [email] (Mark Roseman)

What: tclMIDI
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tclm-1.0.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/xdrum-1.0.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tclMIDI0.1.tar.Z
	ftp://ftp.sterling.com/usenet/comp.sources.misc/packages/xdrum
	ftp://ftp.sterling.com/usenet/comp.sources.misc/packages/tclm
	other comp.sources.misc archives
Description: Tclm is Tcl extended with Standard MIDI file manipulation
	commands.  xdrum is an extended Tk user interface with a new
	drum widget, which combines to create wishm.  Also includes Xdrum
	wishm script, which allows you to edit MIDI drum patterns.
Contact: [email] (Mike Durian)

What: tclOBST
Where: ftp://ftp.fzi.de/pub/OBST/OBST3-3 directory
Description: Tcl library for the OBST persistent object management system.
Contact: [email]

What: Tcl Packages
Where: ftp://toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu/pub/TclPackage.tar.Z
Description: Provide ability to create enclosed groups of code which the
	user can load as a unit.
Contact: [email] (Patrick C. Beard)

What: Tcl Packages simplified
Where: ftp://ftp.fzi.de/pub/OBST/OBST3-3:tclshells.tar.Z
Description: Small support package which simplifies building a
	customized Tcl/Tk interpreter.

What: tclprof
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/code/tclprof.shar.Z
Description: Tcl performance profiling facility.  Works with Tcl 6.4.
	Comes as a part of tclX, but does not require it.
Contact: [email] (Mark Diekhans)

What: tclRawTCP
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tclRawTCP.shar.Z
	ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de
Description: Raw TCP package for Tcl/Tk based on tcpConnect
Contact: "Tim MacKenzie" <[email]>

What: tclsockets
Where: From the contact
Description: Tcl extension to BSD sockets
Contact: [email] (Lance Ellinghouse)

What: Tcl SQL
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tclsql-1.0.tar.Z
Description: tclsql is a Tcl interface  to  SQL
	(Structured  Query Language).  Tclsql is probably INGRES 6.4
	specific, but it could be ported  to  other  SQL  platforms.
Contact: [email] (Christopher Hylands)

What: tclTCP
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tclTCP-1.0.tar.Z
Description: Tcl BSD socket library extension
Contact: "Kevin B. Kenny" <[email]>

What: tclvogle
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tclvogle.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tclvogleDOCS.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/vogleWish.sun4.exe.Z
Description: Tk [23]-D drawing widgets (alpha)
Contact: "Mike Hoegeman" <[email]>

What: tcl_streams
Where: From the contact
Description: System V stream I/O library for Tcl
Contact: [email] (Peter da Silva)

What: Extended Tcl (tclX)
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tclX6.5c.tar.Z
	ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/ucb/tcl/tclX6.5c.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tclX6.7c.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tclX7.3a.tar.Z
	ftp://ftp.neosoft.com/pub/tcl/distrib/tclX7.3a.tar.Z
Description: an essential package of extensions for Tcl.  Version 7.2a
	is compatible with Tcl 7.2/Tk 3.5.
Contacts: [email]

What: tclX dynamic library patches
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tclX_dld.shar.Z
Description: Patches to tclX to support GNU dld (v. 3.2.3) dynamic libraries.
Contact: [email] (Adrian J Ho)

What: tclX / Tk merge
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tclX-tk2.0.shar.Z
Description: Replacement files to incorporate tclX with Tk 2.x
Contact: [email] (Mark Diekhans)

What: tclXt
Where: posted to comp.lang.tcl - other locations unknown
Description: Tk hooks to allow calls to Xt routines.
Contact: Unknown

What: tclXtsend
Where: ftp://csc.canberra.edu.au/pub/motif/tclXtSend/tclXtSend.1.0.tar.Z
	ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/tclXtSend.1.0.tar.Z
Description: Allow Xt applications to send msgs to Tk applications.
Contact: [email] (Jan Newmarch)

What: tcpConnect
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tcpConnect.shar.Z
Description: Tcl/Tk TCP connect and Tk file handler extensions
Contact: "Pekka Nikander" <[email]>

What: TDebug
Where: From the contact
Description: Tk debugger one sources into their scripts.  Allows single
	stepping, etc.
Contact: [email] (Gregor Schmid)

What: text widget enhancements
Where: From the contact
Description: text widget wrapper
Contact: John Robert LoVerso <[email]>

What: theObjects
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/theObjects-2.3.tar.Z
Description: Small prototype-oriented object system.
Contact: [email] (Juergen Wagner)

What: Tix widget set
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/Tix1.0.tar.Z
Description: FileSelectBox, ComboBox, LabelFrame, ScrolledListBox
	DialogButtons widgets all implemented in Tcl along with
	a paper on writing Tk widgets in Tcl.  Minimal recompilation required.
Contact: [email]. (Ioi Kim Lam)

What: Tk without X (beta)
Where: ftp://toe.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/multimedia/misc/tknx0.3.tar.Z
Description: A version of Tk without the X dependent code.  Allows the
	construction of programs using send, after and a few of the
	other non-X specific commands.  Useful to use with Tcl-DP.
Contact: [email] (Brian Smith)

What: Tk auxilary library of bindings
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tkauxlib.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tkauxlib.README
Description: Extensive set of Tk enhancements to add more Motif
	compatibility in keyboard bindings, as well as add validation
	capabilities and other things.
Contact: [email] (Kevin B. Kenny)

What: tk Bell and Cutbuffer patches
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/bellcut3.2.pat
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/bellcut.shar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tkBellCutbuffer.shar.Z
Description: Tk 3.2, 2.3, and 2.1 patches to add bell and cutbuffer commands.
Contact: "Jim Davis" <[email]>
	[email] (Richard Ohnemus)

What: Tk Japanized; support for Kanji
Where: ftp://srawgw.sra.co.jp/pub/lang/tcl/jp/tk3.2jp-patch.Z
	ftp://srawgw.sra.co.jp/pub/lang/tcl/jp/tk3.2jp-update1.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tk3.2jp-patch.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tk3.2jp-update1.Z
Description: Patch to enable Tk/Tcl to use Kanji.
Contact: [email] (Japanized Tcl Project)

What: Tk Canvas Segments
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tkCanSeg.patch.Z
Description: Create a Canvas Segment object which is one or more disjoint
	line segments.  A version for Tk 3.3b1 is also available.
Contact: "Scott Schwartz" <[email]>

What: Tk Emacs bindings
Where: From the contact
Description: A set of Tk bindings for Text and Entry widgets to look like
	Emacs.
Contact: "Mark Weissman" <[email]>

What: Tk Emacs widget
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/TkEmacs1.3.tar.Z
Description: Emacs widget for the Tk widget set.  Allows emacs-lisp code to
	be sent to emacs and Tcl code to be sent from emacs to Tcl.
	Works with tk2.3 and tk3.0 (and should work with tk3.1 when it
	is available).  Contains patches for GNU Emacs 18.58 and 18.59.
Contact: "Sven Delmas" <[email]>

What: tkCanvSeg
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tkCanvSeg.patch.Z
Description: Patch to Tk 3.2 to add canvas segments, which allows one
	to draw disjoint line segments more quickly.
Contact: "Scott Schwartz" <[email]>

What: tkFScale
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tkFScale-1.3.tar.Z
Description: Tk 3.3 Scale widget which uses floating-point values.
Contact: "Paul Mackerras" <[email]>

What: tkGLXwin
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tkGLXwin-1.3.1.tar.Z
	ftp://media.mit.edu/pub/tkGLXwin-1.3.1.tar.Z
Description: Tk 3.x Silicon Graphics Graphics Library widget interface.
Contact: "Michael Halle" <[email]>

What: TkSteal
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/TkSteal3.6a.tar.Z
Description: Package to allow embedding of external applications
	(like emacs, ghostscript, xterm, etc.) into a Tk widget
	without changing the application.  Replaces TkEmacs.
Contact: [email]

What: tk-mod.shar
Where: From the contact
Description: Alternative geometry managers for Tk 1.4
Contact: [email]

What: Tk Perl
Where: From the contact
Description: An attempt to add tk widgets to Perl
Contact: [email] (Malcolm Beattie)

What: tk RichText Format widget
Where: ftp://multimedia.cc.gatech.edu/pub/tk-rtf-0.1.tar.Z
Description: Tk based Microsoft RichText File Format widget reader (pre-alpha).
Contact: [email] (Ian Smith)

What: tkText (Tk 1.3 compatible - Cole)
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tkText-inst.tar.Z
Description: A Tk 1.3 tkText text widget and installation patches
Contact: "Derrick C. Cole" <[email]>

What: tkText (Tk 1.3 compatible - Christenson)
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tkText.shar.Z
Description: A Tk 1.3 tkText text widget
Contact: "M. G. Christenson" <[email]>

What: tkText (Tk 2.0 compatible)
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tkText-2.0.tar.Z
Description: A Tk 2.0 tkText text widget
Contact: "M. G. Christenson" <[email]>

What: Tooltalk interface
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/toocl-1.4.tar.Z
	ftp://avahi.inria.fr/pub/toocl.tar.gz
Description: A Tcl/Tk interface to Tooltalk, based on Tcl 6.7 and Tk 3.2a.
Contact: [email] (Cedric Beust)

What: Transportable Objects
Where: From the contact
Description: A [incr Tcl] class implementing a base transportable object class.
Contact: [email] (Donald Edgar - SUN Scotland)

What: tree widget (brighton)
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/tree-3.4.tar.Z
Description: Tk 3.4 based widget for displaying dynamic trees,
	written in C++.
Contact: [email] (Allan Brighton)

What: tree widget (richardson)
Where: ftp://ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de/pub/tcl/code/hierQuery.tcl.gz
Description: Tk 3.3 based tree display widget, used by XF now.
Contact: david richardson <[email]>

What: turtle graphics
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/code/TkTurtle-1.0.shar.Z
Description: Extended Tcl/Tk simple Logo-like turtle graphics package.
Contact: [email] (R James Noble)

What: validate
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/code/validate.shar.Z
Description: example of using bindings to validate entry widget data.
Contact: [email] (Joe VanAndel)

What: varframe
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/varframe.tar.Z
Description: Extension to provide variable environment language-visible
	objects (user defined call frames) within Tcl.
Contact: [email] (Cimarron Taylor)

What: warp
Where: From the contact
Description: Tk warp command to move the mouse point to specific locations.
Contact: [email] (Thomas A Fine)

What: widgetTree
Where: From the contact
Description: Provide the ability to describe a tree of widgets to ease
	creation, etc.  Also includes matrix, a widget which supports a two
	dimensional plane of widgets or widget trees.
Contact: [email] (Hiroshi Sakoh)

What: wmstuff
Where: ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/wmstuff.tar.Z
	ftp://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/tcl/extensions/wmstuff.patch1.shar.Z
Description: Tk support for ICCCM WM_PROTOCOLS & WM_DELETE
Contact: "Mike Hoegeman" <[email]>

What: X11 XID enhancement - kaplan
Where: From the contact
Description: Set of replacement functions for default X Consortium XID
	management routines.
Contact: [email] (George C. Kaplan)

What: X11 XID enhancement - hoegeman
Where: From the contact
Description: tkXID function to allow tk to override the default
	XID allocation scheme. Add included header to tk.h and tkInt.h
	to have it used by libtk.a.
Contact: [email] (Michael Hoegeman)

What:
Where:
Description:
Contact:

------------------------------

From: FAQ Tcl/Tk Package Catalog
Subject: -XIV- Is there any commercial use of Tcl/Tk?

A list of commercial packages which use Tcl/Tk is being maintained by
[email] (Larry Rowe).  Contact him for details.

NeoSoft Communications Services <[email]>, (713) 684-5900,
9am - 4pm CDT M-F - provides commercial support for developing Tcl
applications, in short-term hourly, long-term hourly, or fixed-price
variations.  They have long term experience with Tcl.  The
also provide training, porting, bug fixing and independent software
development.

Computerized Processes Unlimited ( [email], (504) 889-2784
4200 S. I-10 Service Road, Suite #205, Metairie, LA 70001 )
offer courses on Tcl and Tk amoung other things.

------------------------------

End of comp.lang.tcl Frequently Asked Questions (5/5)
*****************************************************


author: Uncle Al

subject: Re: Meow Meow Henrietta Pussycat President of the United States Meow  Kitty

text:
Abdul Lohaus wrote:

Nothing.

I discard better when I pour bleach into my toilet.


text:
Travis Johnson wrote:

Nothing.

He things he's Jacques Derrida, caponized.


text:
Abdullah Lohaus wrote:

Nothing.

And he's too stupid to spell his alias right twice in row.  That
exceeds all expectations for stupid.  That's stooopid.


text:
Travis Johnson wrote:

Nothing.

"It takes a Village to have a Village Idiot," Hillary Ramrod Clinton.


subject: [MesNews] Filter, plonked user?

text:
Is there a way to create a rule in MesNews that not only removes a
message from a poster, but also removes all reply's to that poster?


author: Indi

subject: Re: [MesNews] Filter, plonked user?

text:
On 2011-01-12, MIke_O <[email]> wrote:

OMG! Are you telling me that messages can adhere to me somehow
and must be removed? This usenet thingie is dangerous!

Ok, sorry for the bad, bad attempt at humor.
I don't use MesNews but can you create a filter based on
"References:" to match the one based on "From:"?


author: Doug Freyburger

subject: [any reader] Filter, plonked user?

text:
MIke_O. wrote:

I extend the question to any reader.

I've read discussion about software that tracks certain users and kills
any response that references one of their posts. Doing that requires
maintaining a table of messages by those on the "super-kill" list.

I would like something simpler.  I have a lot of authors in my global
kill file.  A few of them manage to get a lot of responses.  I would
like the ability to filter based on content.  I could put a few
usernames in the "super-kill" list.  When the headers are downloaded
they could be filtered usign the regular header filters.  Then when the
message text is downloaded it have content filtering applied to it.
Most but not all folks include the username in the response citations.
Filtering on content and using the username would be good enough and
would be a lot simpler than the scheme of tracking with tables of
messageids.

I currently post with XPN.  As far as I can tell it does not support
content filtering.  A one point I switched from Thunderbird to XPN to
filter based on count of newsgroups - Odds of noise grow very rapidly
with the count of groups so I kill every post with more than 3 groups.
Doing that cut out well over half of my prior kill file.  Lately I've
taken up listing specific newsgroups in my kill file.  That cut out a
lot as well.  The list continues to grow anyways.

What newsreaders can filter on content?  I want to be able to kill based
on count of groups (crosspost noise correlation) including being able to
set certain high noise groups to kill any crossposted message at all, on
specific noisy groups in the list, on author per group or global, by
thread if possible with aging.  And the one that XPN does not offer - by
content so I can kill a small number of folks who trigger a lot of
responses.


subject: Re: [MesNews] Filter, plonked user?

text:
On 2011-01-13, Sqwertz <[email]> wrote:

Does that mean that MesNews doesn't fetch headers without
modifying them? Because certainly I successfully block all
replies to a certain author by filtering on that author's
"From:" address appearing in "References:".


subject: Re: [MesNews] Filter, plonked user?

text:
On 2011-01-13, Sqwertz <[email]> wrote:

Ah, right (forgot, sorry) -- it's working for me because that person's
server does use the poster's email addy as part of the Message-Id.


subject: Re: [MesNews] Filter, plonked user?

text:
On 2011-01-13, Sqwertz <[email]> wrote:

We slrn users have some flexibility with that as well, with
the help of a macro.


author: Gene E. Bloch

subject: Re: [MesNews] Filter, plonked user?

text:
On 12 Jan 2011 11:26:17 GMT, Indi wrote:

I haven't been using MesNews enough to remember its filtering
capabilities lately, so I opened it and browsed.

The dialog has eight rows for the rules, each with a button (with the
name of the field to test) on the left to activate the row, a selector
for the kind of test ("same as", "contains", etc), and an edit box to
type the value to test against.

Reference is row number six.

Name, e-mail, subject, size, MID, number of rules (sic), and IP are the
others.

The rest of the dialog box contains actions and other settings.

"Number of rules" is explained by a pop-up as "The number of rules in
the body of the message". I have no idea what that means.

The current version is 1.08.03.00, and seems to date to 2008.

Yes: from the About, we have:
**** Version : 1.8.3.0 - noel 2008 :-) ****

The developer is French, so that's Christmas 2008.


author: Frank Slootweg

subject: Re: [any reader] Filter, plonked user?

text:
Doug Freyburger <[email]> wrote:

  "The scheme of tracking with tables of messageids" is not that hard.
Dialog does that out of the box, i.e. without 'user-written' scripts,
etc..

  But read on.

  Filtering should be left to a .... ummm .... filter. Hamster is one
such filter and can do what you want, and more. I assume, but don't
know, that nfilter/News/Newsproxy can also do what you want.

  As you can see in my "User-Agent:" header, I use Hamster with tin and
I haven't yet found anything that I need/want, that Hamster+tin can't
do.


author: Mike Oxbig

subject: Re: [MesNews] Filter, plonked user?

text:
Gene E. Bloch presented the following explanation :

Yes! It has reference.. I have no idea how to use this to accomplish
what I am looking for. :D  it seems that it could get complicated.

I also wonder if there is a way to create a rule in mesnews that can
filter anything that is crossposted to several groups (this is usually
crap anyway).


author: Bob Henson

subject: Re: [MesNews] Filter, plonked user?

text:
Mike Oxbig wrote:

Can you filter the Newsgroups: line to look for a comma "," ? That works in
Thunderbird - If "'" then Mark Read AND ignore.


subject: Re: [MesNews] Filter, plonked user?

text:
Bob Henson has brought this to us :

I dont see a way to filter the news groups line.  Im still figureing
this software out. I just started to play with it last week.


subject: Re: [MesNews] Filter, plonked user?

text:
Mike Oxbig wrote:

It's a newsreader I haven't tried, so I can't help much, my ideas was just
a guess based on what you can do in other programs. Good luck with it
anyway - crossposting annoys me intensely, so it's always the first thing I
want to set up in a newsreader.


subject: Re: [MesNews] Filter, plonked user?

text:
Bob Henson presented the following explanation :

I totaly agree. Mostly, cross posted messages are from trollers. Not
always, but mostly in the groups that I read. I hope that I can figure
this one out or I will have to change readers.

I really like Dialog but it can become very complicated for rules. Im
getting old and figuring things out is not as easy as it was when I was
younger.  ;) Maybe I should just stick to Gravity. It has a very simple
interface.

Mesnews is a good combination. It has a nice user interface and is not
too complicated. The software doesnt have any real good documentation.
I have a feeling that the rule creation is much more powerfull than it
appears if you know what you are doing. It allows for reg-expressions
and I have a feeling that it gives you the tools that you need but does
not make it obvious.


subject: Re: [MesNews] Filter, plonked user?

text:
Mike Oxbig wrote:

That's what I found. If I block all cross-posted message, most of the
trolls are removed with them.

I found a couple of problems with Gravity, although I did like it, and it
wasn't too complicated. Albeit the author couldn't replicate it, there was
a threading problem here where reading unread mail using the "n" key
skipped deeply nested posts. Dialog certainly isn't readily intuitive (and
us old geezers do find it a tad hard), but it's by far and away the best
I've tried - and I've tried most of them.

Sadly, I usually have to rely on help from elsewhere with rules - they are
usually poorly documented, and if you are not a programmer, it takes a bit
of doing to get to grips with them.


author: Jeremy

subject: Re: Usenet: Predictions for the New Millennium?

text:
Jay Denebeim <[email]> wrote:

The users would see it as dropping the groups.


author: James W Anderson

subject: Moniker kills off porn spam site.

text:
About a month ago, saw a spamvertised  domain in the spamcop.net
stats, and after I got it into the Blue Coat filter for porn, looked
up the WHOIS and found Moniker was the registrar for it.

Well, had a problem with the normal reporting address for abuse, so i
shot it to the legal department there.

The site is now as dead as they can be, short of the domain being
completely cancelled, and that may be the case here so that the
spammer doesn't reregister the newly-available domain and use it
again.

I'll snip most of the WHOIS, but leave enough to show what happened.

Domain Name: FUCKBOOK-BLUE.NET
Registrar: MONIKER

Registrant [1463687]:
        Domain Manager
        Deactivated Domain

Domain servers in listed order:

        NS1.DOMAINSERVICE.COM         208.73.210.41
        NS2.DOMAINSERVICE.COM         208.73.211.42
        NS3.DOMAINSERVICE.COM         208.73.210.43
        NS4.DOMAINSERVICE.COM         208.73.211.44

        Record created on:        2010-01-17 08:09:03.0
        Database last updated on: 2010-02-17 16:49:27.653
        Domain Expires on:        2011-01-17 08:09:04.0


subject: Re: Moniker kills off porn spam site.

text:
"James W Anderson" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
,,,,

Dozens more FSCK - BOOK related sites at Moniker.
Didn't "Adultfriendfinder" buy Moniker?

And that one of dozens (likely many more than I've seen) only took a month?

By the way the spammers sites ping pong with our friend "Namerich" follow
the sites and affiliates and you find all these and feeders similarly named;
housewet, toolplows, (you know the style of name) DNS sites run by BILT and
net.cn who now prefer to stay a wrist length away from the pillz, pecker and
sex spammers.


author: Andreas Kohlbach

subject: Re: Moniker kills off porn spam site.

text:
bar0 wrote on 23. February 2010:

Wasn't Penthouse buy the Adultfriendfinder spammer? He lately acquired
ffn.com btw.

Would be a big help if provider would block IPs from "known" registrars
by default. May be issue a warning to the user that he is about to get
screwed if he would like to continue.


author: monsur haider

text:
হজ্জ যদি মহান আল্লাহ পাক উনার সন্তুষ্টি লাভের উদ্দেশ্যেই করা হয় ,তাহলে
ছবি তুলে ও বেপর্দা হয়ে হজ্জ করা যাবে না। আর যদি লোক দেখানোর জন্য হয়
তাহলে———-

-মহান আল্লাহ পাক উনার সন্তুষ্টি লাভের উদ্দেশ্যেই হজ্জ করতে চাইলে ছবি
তুলে ও বেপর্দা হয়ে হজ্জ করা যাবে নাইর যদি লোক দেখানোর জন্য হয় তাহলে
———-
হজ্জ্ব কেন করবে::মহান আল্লাহ পাক তিনি ইরশাদ করেন, তোমরা মহান আল্লাহ
পাক উনার সন্তুষ্টি লাভের উদ্দেশ্যেই হজ্জ ও উমরাহ আদায় করো। নূরে
মুজাসসাম, হাবীবুল্লাহ হুযূর পাক ছল্লাল্লাহু আলাইহি ওয়া সাল্লাম তিনি
ইরশাদ করেন, নিশ্চয়ই মহান আল্লাহ পাক তিনি ওই সকল আমল কবুল করেন না যা
খালিছভাবে উনার জন্য করা হয় না। হজ্জ, উমরাহ ও রওজা শরীফ যিয়ারত
প্রত্যেকটাই মহান আল্লাহ পাক উনার সন্তুষ্টি লাভের উদ্দেশ্যে করতে হবে।
কাদের উপর হজ্জ ফরয :মহান আল্লাহ পাক তিনি ইরশাদ করেন, “যাদের পথ ও ঈমান-
আমল-এর নিরাপত্তা ও আর্থিক সঙ্গতি রয়েছে তাদের উপর আল্লাহ পাক উনার জন্য
হজ্জ করা ফরয।”
হজ্জ কেন করবে: মহান আল্লাহ পাক তিনি ইরশাদ করেন, “তোমরা মহান আল্লাহ পাক
উনার সন্তুষ্টি লাভের উদ্দেশ্যেই হজ্জ ও উমরা আদায় করো।”
হজ্জ্বের সময় কি করা যাবে না: হযরত আবু হুরায়রা রদ্বিয়াল্লাহু তায়ালা
আনহু তিনি বলেন: “যে ব্যক্তি মহান আল্লাহ পাক উনার সন্তুষ্টি লাভের
উদ্দেশ্যে হজ্জ করবে এবং হজ্জের সময় কোনো প্রকার অশ্লীল-অশালীন ও ফাসিকী
বা নাফরমানীমূলক কাজ করবে না; সে গুনাহ থেকে এরূপ পবিত্র হয়ে ফিরবে যেন
সে সদ্যপ্রসূত সন্তান।” সুবহানাল্লাহ!
হজ্জের সময়ও শরীয়তবিরোধী জগন্য হারাম কাজ যেমন ছবি তোলা, বেপর্দা হওয়া,
যাবে না।
কেননা, হাদীছ শরীফ-এ ইরশাদ হয়েছে, ক্বিয়ামতের দিন ওই ব্যক্তি সবচেয়ে কঠিন
শাস্তি পাবে যে ব্যক্তি ছবি তোলে বা তোলায়।
কুরআন শরীফ ও হাদীছ শরীফ-এ পর্দা করার ব্যাপারে কঠোর নির্দেশ দেয়া হয়েছে।
যেমন হাদীছ শরীফ-এ ইরশাদ হয়েছে, “যে দেখে ও দেখায় উভয়ের প্রতি আল্লাহ পাক
উনার লা’নত।” হাদীছ শরীফ-এ আরো ইরশাদ হয়েছে, “দাইয়্যূছ অর্থাৎযে নিজে
পর্দা করেনা এবং অধিনস্থদেরকে পর্দায় রাখে না। সে কখনো জান্নাতে প্রবেশ
করবে না।”
তাই সকলেই একমত যে, বেপর্দা হওয়া ছবি তোলা,,কঠিন কবীরা গুনাহ ও ফাসিকী
কাজ। আর ফাসিক ব্যক্তির হজ্জ কি করে মকবুল হজ্জ হতে পারে?
এ অবস্হার হজ্জ্ব তো মহান আল্লাহ পাক উনার সন্তুষ্টি লাভের উদ্দেশ্যেই
হতে পারে না!!!
নয় কি???


subject: Re: যে দেখে ও দেখায় উভয়ের প্রতি আল্লাহ পাক উনার লা’নত

text:
"monsur haider" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

really?


author: Bruce Goatly

subject: Re: ?? ???? ? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ??'??

text:
monsur haider wrote:

That's easy for *him* to say.

--
Bruce


author: FrozenNorth

text:
On 9/27/11 10:42 AM, bar0 wrote:

<AOL> I agree with this post.  </AOL>

--
Froz...

The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.


text:
"BEI Design" <[email]> wrote in message
news:j5t655$d6m$[email]...

I thought bengagong used Arabic characters. Get it on!


author: Michelle Sullivan

subject: [Fwd: [sorbs.net #265558] #265558 has been updated.]

text:
Say no more....

-------- Original Message --------

http://support.sorbs.net/Ticket/Display.html?id=265558

SORBS Ticket 265558 [Subject: 77.68.44.35 - Blacklist De-Listing] has
been updated:

Dear Sirs,

We are using various legitimate purchased opt-in email lists only to promote
our auctions - we need to speak to the people we purchased these lists from
and so would request you to provide us some details of the "spamtrap"
addresses to progress this matter further with them?

We would also request removal from the blacklist as we have a number of
large on-line auctions underway at the moment for PLC's, Government /
Ministry Bodies and Blue Chip companies and now some of our clients are no
longer receiving their important registration and bidding emails relating to
these auctions because of this blacklist.

I shall await your quick response in this urgent matter.

Regards,

Oliver Player
PEAKER PATTINSON

-----Original Message-----
From: SORBS Support (Michelle Sullivan)
Sent: 10 February 2010 14:54
To: [email]
Cc: [email]
Subject: [sorbs.net #265558] 77.68.44.35 - Blacklist De-Listing

On Thu Feb 04 23:01:45 2010, [email] wrote:

You are sending mail to spamtrap addresses.

Regards,

Michelle


author: Seth

subject: Re: [Fwd: [sorbs.net #265558] #265558 has been updated.]

text:
In article <hl36k9$oov$[email]>,
Michelle Sullivan  <[email]> wrote:

Some of those words do not belong with each other.

You need to sue them for fraud.  Perhaps the official filing of the
lawsuit will improve your reputation.  Attempting to blame your
suppliers without causing them serious legal difficulties will not.

Seth


author: AntiSpam

text:
The scribbles of
 Michelle Sullivan <[email]> looked something like:

[ some spammer said ... ]

Ya don't say?


author: tjoen

text:
Michelle Sullivan wrote:
Spammer wrote:

LOL

LOL

LOL, 1000000 "perspective" customers


author: stinky

text:
In article <hl36k9$oov$[email]>,
 Michelle Sullivan <[email]> wrote:

....for those who don't follow notices like this...........this is meant
as a quasi-threat and/or an attempt to impress or bolster ones position.


author: WindsorFox

text:
Michelle Sullivan wrote:

     Who other than a spammer sends a catalog to a 'prospective'
customer? Who at all sends an 'invoice' to a prostective customer???


text:
"stinky" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I can't imagine how pleased the above mentioned PLiCk' s Ministries and Cow
Chip companies must be, now that these bids are firmly blocked.


author: Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

text:
In <hl50tf$stq$[email]>, on 02/12/2010
   at 07:56 PM, "WindsorFox<[SS]>" <[email]> said:

But they don't; they send them to perspective customers, which I assume
have something to do with Descriptive Geometry.


author: Thane

subject: Re: #265558 has been updated.]

text:
On Feb 14, 4:25 am, "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz"
<[email]> wrote:

Perspective in relation to diminishing returns at distance. Yes, this
fits spammer.

Thane


author: Kate Orman

subject: Re: rec.arts.drwho.moderated STYLE GUIDE

text:
In article <902gfl$5c4$[email]>,
Kim DeVaughn <[email]> wrote:

That's a very interesting suggestion - those postings are very annoying,
and perhaps persistent offenders should find themselves warned to stop.
What do others think?


author: Jack Beven

text:
On 30 Nov 2000 11:22:08 +1100, [email] (Kate Orman)
wrote:

   What is the definition of "excessive" quoting? Is it an objective or
subjective definition?

Jack Beven (a. k. a. The Supreme Dalek)
Tropical Prediction Center
New URL: http://www.mindspring.com/~jbeven/index.html  [email]
Disclaimer: These opinions don't necessarily represent those of my employers...


text:
In article <[email]>,
Jack Beven <[email]> wrote:


author: James Bennetts

text:
On 30 Nov 2000 17:20:06 +1100, [email] (Kate Orman)
wrote:

Stupid question: "little-invoked" in the sense that there were very
few messages with a 4:1 quoted/new ratio; or "little-invoked" in the
sense that such messages were usually let through despite the rule?

I think it's a good idea.

James


author: Nyctolops

text:
Kate Orman wrote:

That sounds like a good idea to me.  Four times as much old material
as new seems like a good cut-off point.

Karen Jo Nyctolops


author: buggs

subject: nntp server for Mac OS 10.1 and later??

text:
Does anyone know of any news nntp servers for mac os x?
Not command line either, but one with a gui and gui install.


author: Jeffrey M. Vinocur

subject: Re: nntp server for Mac OS 10.1 and later??

text:
In article <GOjw7.92871$[email]>,
buggs <[email]> wrote:

I haven't heard of anything new for OS X.  You want, therefore,
either a unix server with a GUI, or a Mac server which will play
happily with OS X.  Anyway, try http://www.newsreader.com/.


author: D.M. Procida

text:
buggs <[email]> wrote:

There's Web Crossing (http://www.webcrossing.com/) if you want to spend
a few thousand dollars on it and want an amazing festival of www-based
forum system and whatnot to go with it.

There's something at Carracho (http://www.carracho.com/) which also
claims to have a news server in it, but I couldn't be bothered to read a
web site with text that didn't wrap.

I'd like a news server for Mac OS X; INN would do if I don't have to
roll it myself.

Daniele


text:
not news server like nsp, nntp server, eg for me being a server. not news
group service like easynews etc.

but it's not that hard to port to os x from open i think, but no clue.
it's freebsd unix mac os x is.
"Jeffrey M. Vinocur" <[email]> wrote in message
news:9pt24g$ms7$[email]...


text:
carracho isn't an nntp news server. it is for filesharing only., it has news
like but only for caracho servers.
"D.M. Procida" <{$usenet$}@apple-juice.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1f0zdby.n4rvpwtjlh8N%{$usenet$}@apple-juice.co.uk...


text:
In article <1f0zdby.n4rvpwtjlh8N%{$usenet$}@apple-juice.co.uk>,
D.M. Procida <{$usenet$}@apple-juice.co.uk> wrote:

Compile it yourself, or configure it yourself?


text:
In article <i0sw7.95003$[email]>,
buggs <[email]> wrote:

Put quoted text at the top!

This makes no sense.  That URL, however, should be
http://www.newsreaders.com/.  Try there.

...

"No, really?"


text:
Jeffrey M. Vinocur <[email]> wrote:

I think asking a program to configure itself will have to wait until the
USB MindReader adaptor drivers have been finished for OS X. But I'd
prefer something precompiled.

Daniele


text:
In article <1f104ba.1flejyg1iei7n8N%{$usenet$}@apple-juice.co.uk>,
D.M. Procida <{$usenet$}@apple-juice.co.uk> wrote:

...I'm sure someone will make a package of it reasonably soon
(have you looked on the various OS X porting project webpages?).

But I've never really understood the point of precompiled INN
packages -- anyone who can deal with a big pile of
admittedly-cryptic text config files should generally have no
trouble with the actual compile (which, on a good day, is as
simple as "./configure --with-perl && make && make install").


author: Y&R&ATWT&GL

subject: Y&R = Jack & Gene-v's Relationship

text:
Jack even suspected that Gene-v was in a relationship with Jack was
never going to win BON. Personally I'd like to see him find out what
happened and help Gene-v or at least put a stop to all the whining
from Traci & Ashley etc about how mean Gene-v stole BON from the
Abbotts. Jack has pulled & all the people he has forgiven he ought to
forgive Gen'v. I think his pride was hurt more than his heart.


author: hab

subject: Re: Y&R = Jack & Gene-v's Relationship

text:
On Feb 10, 5:15 pm, "Y&R&ATWT&GL" <[email]> wrote:

We really don't know why she bought BON.  She hasn't said.  I'm
thinking in the end, she bought it to give it to Jack as a wedding
present.


author: Cheri

subject: Re: Y&R = Jack & Gene-v's Relationship

text:
"hab" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
On Feb 10, 5:15 pm, "Y&R&ATWT&GL" <[email]> wrote:

We really don't know why she bought BON.  She hasn't said.  I'm
thinking in the end, she bought it to give it to Jack as a wedding
present.

========

Well, she made it pretty clear that "she wanted something for herself since
she's always been under a mans thumb" so I doubt if it was a wedding present
for Jack. If that were true, why would she have called the wedding off?
Personally, I think the story with Neil going to be the COO of BON will be
good, so I'm glad she didn't marry Jack.

Cheri


author: Nancy Johnston

subject: Re: Y&R = Jack & Gene-v's Relationship

text:
hab wrote:

She claimed that she was feeling she was getting into the same
situation with Jack as she was with Colin.....that of being only
the "wife-e-poo" and nothing more and she didn't want that
happening to her again as she thought would happen when she
married Jack.

Nancy Jane


author: chicagofan

subject: Re: Y&R = Jack & Gene-v's Relationship

text:
Cheri wrote:

Yeah, I was naive to think maybe she was going to give it to Jack... or
share it with him.  Her insecurities were driving her.  As you said, she
needed something of her own, and never to be dominated again.  A life
with Colin would probably do that to anyone.  ;)
bj


subject: Re: Y&R = Jack & Gene-v's Relationship

text:
"chicagofan" <[email]> wrote in message
news:jhe43u$6r6$[email]...

That could have been a great out for her though. Just say...I wanted to make
sure you got it Jack and was going to surprise you with the news after our
marriage, and we'll run it together. Dumbass. :-)

Cheri


subject: Re: Y&R = Jack & Gene-v's Relationship

text:
Cheri wrote:

LOL... that's true!  I can't believe she is flirting around with the
black knight, Victor.  I certainly hope she's at least smarter than to
form a partnership with him.
bj


subject: Re: Y&R = Jack & Gene-v's Relationship

text:
"Nancy Johnston" <[email]> wrote in message
news:4f3bcdc4$0$1345$[email]...

Yes, for now...but once he sees Genevieve at the wedding, you know he'll
take it on. He'll hire YoHarmony and by next month she'll be VP of
operations and he will spend all his time in her office ala Karen. :-)

Cheri


author: who?

subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
Does anyone feel like this song would have been recorded better, if
George and Ringo would have been on the recording? I really doubt it.
The song isn't that
good to start with


author: M C hammered

subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 12:48 am, "who?" <[email]> wrote:

What I, Mista freakin Charlie, have offin at time's wonda'd, is like,
why the Yoke don't sing on the freakin tune??  It is, afta all, the
ballad of John AND Yoko...so couldn't they a traded line's or
sumpin??  I feel John was afraid a bein upstagered on his own song.
Othawise, he woulda let the Yoke sing lead.

Nuff said


author: Dave The Rave

subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 12:11 am, nowhere man <[email]> wrote:

George and Ringo were apparently unavailable.

                                   Dave The Rave


author: King Size Johnson

subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 5:54 am, Fattuchus <[email]> wrote:

Oh GOD NO! You can't immediately see what you just typed?!!!


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 5:52 am, Fattuchus <[email]> wrote:

I went to high school with "Paul". He's a very successful voice-over
actor.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
Danny's version of "The Ballad of John and Yoko" done nearly a year
ago!

My how time flies!

Excellent version, too, Danny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0hSWF48uEM


author: Fattuchus

subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 4:06 am, marcuscp <[email]> wrote:

Like the rhythm in Hava Nagila.


author: JohnB

subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 9:06 am, marcuscp <[email]> wrote:

The rhythm and structure of the song is fine, though it's not one of
their best, but I think Ringo's drumming would have been sharper. (I
don't think Paul used his cymbals and hi-hats as much as Ringo.)  I
think this might have helped the bass which is rather muddy (and too
prominent) to my ears. George could have played the guitar fills and
added an extra harmony vocal. The result might have improved the
recording a little but I still don't think it would have been a
favourite.


author: marcuscp

subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 8:17 pm, Fattuchus <[email]> wrote:

You should try a mash up. Love to hear it.


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 4:23 am, JohnB <[email]> wrote:

I was ready to say the same exact thing!!

/
/
/
/
/

(kidding . . . . I'm not a musician and can't discuss details like
that)


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 4:21 am, marcuscp <[email]> wrote:

My posts seem to get delayed.

Ever see this little movie?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479056/


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 4:21 am, marcuscp <[email]> wrote:

Ever see this little movie?  It's A Hard Day's Day.  It's about a day
in the life of a tribute band, like yours.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479056/

Very funny.


author: The Lone Star

subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 23, 11:48 pm, "who?" <[email]> wrote:

Even though it all a song by The Beatles should be, it might have been
very nice to have had George and Ringo on this one, of course.

In fact, it might have kept them all together.


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 23, 11:51 pm, The Lone Star <[email]> wrote:

I don't recall the date of the recording, but you might be right.


author: nowhere man

subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
"who?" <[email]> wrote in news:7f7814f8-4f1b-44a2-
[email]:

it's a classic.

I love it.

John was the impatient type.  He liked to record quickly.  And this track
suited that type of recording style.


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 3:48 pm, "who?" <[email]> wrote:

Hey, I've got a good idea! Why not post a list of songs by, to begin
with, the Beatles, the Stones, Yes, the top 100 artists of the 50's,
Led Zeppelin and Jethro Tull that would have recorded better if George
and Ringo had been on the recording. C'mon, I want lists and I want
them now!
As Phil A. Sshole would say:" I list, therefore I am.'


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 12:11 am, nowhere man <[email]> wrote:

It's an okay song. I don't mind it, but don't feel it was one of their
best.


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 12:15 am, marcuscp <[email]> wrote:

Why not? It's better than talking about Jews, or Muslims, and
reading the rest of the bickering.

:-)


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 4:19 pm, "who?" <[email]> wrote:

This would be perfect for you:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Category:Lists_of_lists


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 4:23 pm, marcuscp <[email]> wrote:

try this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_lists


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 12:23 am, marcuscp <[email]> wrote:

Have you heard that song, "Perfection" by Badfinger?


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 23, 11:48 pm, "who?" <[email]> wrote:

I agree with you.  It's not a particularly good song; however Ringo's
drumming would have been way better than Paul's plodding.


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 23, 11:48 pm, "who?" <[email]> wrote:

I'm not thrilled with the song either.  I do think Ringo's drumming
would have been much better than Paul's.


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 7:53 pm, Fattuchus <[email]> wrote:

Paul's drumming and John's slapping the back of  his acoustic drive
the song perfectly and sound great.  Paul's a good drummer when he
plays sparse, like in Let Me Roll It and Oh Woman Oh Why. How do you
think it should be played? Swing? Bossa Nova?


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
pretty good lyrics to tell the story.... yes about Paul's drumming.
He's great with a 4/4 beat on the tom toms, but not much else..

Craig


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 2:23 am, JohnB <[email]> wrote:

see if Ringo would overdub the song for a reissue????

Craig


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 25, 9:19 am, Musicman59 <[email]> wrote:

He wouldn't be so daft. It is what it is, what would be the point?


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 24, 5:28 pm, marcuscp <[email]> wrote:

It would be called: "The New Beatles Single Featuring Ringo".


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
On Mar 25, 9:32 am, "who?" <[email]> wrote:

I'd rather see "Caveman: The Musical."


subject: Re: "The Ballad of John And Yoko"

text:
Dave The Rave <[email]> wrote in news:b660248e-1dab-4c61-
[email]:

and Paul says, jokingly, that he isn't sure that George ever forgave him
(for going ahead without him and doing the track).


author: Blaine Armsterd

subject: Mad Ravings on Generations movie... Spoilers

text:
I have some steam to vent about the movie, Star Trek: Generations.  Here's some
spoiler space....

The Enterprise D definitely was destroyed before its time.  And I think the way
it was destroyed was cheesy for several reasons...

1.  Isn't this the first time nobody tried modulating shield frequencies?
2.  Whatever happened to ejecting the warp core?
3.  Didn't anybody examine Geordi's VISOR?  It seemed to be a pretty obvious
    course of action when they were retrieving people from know baddies.
4.  Why didn't anybody pick up the emissions from Geordi's VISOR?

Now here comes the predictable part, they get a Brand Spanking New And Improved
Enterprise E!  I didn't mind it with the original Enterprise, but this time it
was cheesy.

*******************************************************************************
* Hard to   ______ Believe, Harder_____to ________ Killfile!                  *
* \\  //   /      \ |\        /| |     \     ||                               *
*  \\//    |      | | \      / | |     |     ||    "If I Were a Dinosaur,     *
*   \\     |      | |  \    /  | |----<      ||       I'd be a Licalotapuss!" *
*  //\\    |      | |   \  /   | |     \     ||                               *
* //  \\   \______/ |    \/    | |_____/ ____||____                           *
*******************************************************************************
In God We Trust.  All others pay cash.


author: John Jess Naumann

subject: Re: Mad Ravings on Generations movie... Spoilers

text:
In article <[email]>, Blaine Armsterd <[email]> writes:

      Didn't see how they would have time to figure that out.  They were
      too busy getting slapped around.

      What indeed?

      Sure.  Everyone has a VISOR to check when they get returned from
      known baddies.  Come on, try again.

      You mean there were some?  I didn't know that.  And I paid attention
      to the movie too.

  Where was the Enterprise E?  I didn't see it.  I saw three ships at the end
  and none of them seemed to have the name Enterprise E.  Perhaps a cloaking
  device you saw through?  I know Picard beamed to the Farragut(nice touch),
  but that was it.  You sure you're not smelling limburger cheese someone
  left for you in the theater?

  What was a nice touch was that they followed the Next Generation Manual
  when it came to having the saucer section crash-landing on the planet. I
  went back to it that same night and said "well, I'll be damned, they got
  something right for once."  Check it out, it's really cool.

  Oh well, just responding publicly to a public comment.  Enjoy life, have
  fun.

  John


author: just another theatre geek

text:
In article <[email]>,
John (Jess) Naumann <[email]> wrote:

	GEORDI: I'm modulating the shield frequencies!
	LURSA or BEHTA: Aha! The fool is modulating the shield frequencies!
		Adjust the weaponry!
	BOOOOOOMMM!
	GEORDI: No good! Trying something else!

	Or, could it be, the bad guys are COMPETENT in attaching a spy device?


author: TheOmniJuggler

subject: Rings

text:
I'm learning 5 rings and my current rings are horrible. I want to find a
good set of 5 rings that I can practice with and won't break (I will
probably be practicing either inside or on grass, so concrete isn't a
problem) I don't like the fat ones.  Does anyone have any suggestions? A
friend of mine told me about Absolute Juggling rings, but I can't find a
place online I can order them,
Any help is appreciated! :D
-Taylor


author: Benjamin Block

subject: Re: Rings

text:
TheOmniJuggler wrote:

I'm quite a fan of my Dube Airflite rings. I find them easier for
pirouettes and numbers because they're
lighter than thicker rings. However, they pretty much blow off course at a
small bit of wind so they are
best used for inside only. I haven't tried any other rings than these and
so far they're great.
Hope this helps!

Ben


author: Will S

subject: Re: Rings

text:
TheOmniJuggler wrote:

Does anyone have any experience with the thin solo Renegade rings?  I was
thinking of purchasing some a few years back, but I settled on the fat
renegade rings instead (which are a lot of fun, and very pain-free but not
so great for numbers).

Cheers,
Will


author: Adrian Pole

subject: Re: Rings

text:
Absoloutes are the best ring in my own opinion. there not as thin as most
rings and have a nice round edge that is easier on your hands. ASk Sondre
and he will tell you just how much he has improved since purshasing his
absoloutes.they are great for pancakes because they're a tiny bit heavier
than most rings.

you can get them from www.oddballs.co.uk.


author: ultimatewannabe

subject: Re: Rings

text:
TheOmniJuggler wrote:

I've had my Dube Airflite rings for over two years and haven't managed to
break any.  I'm rather tough on my props so I doubt that your 5 ring
cascade will hurt them much.

Mike


subject: Re: Rings

text:
TheOmniJuggler wrote:

Jugglingstore.com sells them:

http://www.jugglingstore.com/store/detail.aspx?ID=242


subject: Re: Rings

text:
Benjamin Block wrote:

I was wondering about dube airflights. because there light, maybe they
would help my 8 ring juggling. My grip is terrible and i cant release them
that high


author: Emman

subject: Re: Rings

text:
Will S wrote:

The only peoples I know who use them are Anthony Gatto and Ivan Pecel.


subject: Re: Rings

text:
Adrian Pole wrote:

So are the ODDBALL JUGGLING RINGS absolutes?
Thanks again Baby Bono,

-Taylor


subject: Re: Rings

text:
GLF00 wrote:

GLFOO, Are you sure these are absolutes? It doesn't say the brand so I
wasn't sure. I love jugglingstore and I sincerely hope they are! That
would make my life happier :D
Thanks!


subject: Re: Rings

text:
TheOmniJuggler wrote:

Says the manufacturer is beard so yes they are absolutes :) I recommend
them too, I got significantly better just changing to those rings and they
don't hurt your hands much at all if you juggle rings the good way.

Emman


subject: Re: Rings

text:
TheOmniJuggler wrote:

Well, we bought some for a friend a couple months ago and if I recall
correctly each ring had a little sticker on it that said "absolute".  To
make sure I asked my mom just now, and she remembers it too, so I'm pretty
sure that the jugglinstore.com rings are absolutes.  I think the the
fluorescent rings (and probably  most of the other ring types from
jugglingstore.com) are absolutes as well,but I can't say for sure.  Of
course, you could always just give them a call or shoot them an email.


subject: Re: Rings

text:
TheOmniJuggler wrote:

They look very much like them but you would have to ask jugglingstore
first to make sure.

Emman


author: Brendon M. Troy

subject: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Hey lurkers - I know there are a *ton* of you out there. I'm curious what
you think of rmp - does it amuse you, do you use it for Phish information,
is it like a rude, bacony train wreck that you're disgusted by but yet can't
turn away from, or what? Also, why not post? Do you not see anything that
you feel inclined to add to, are you intimidated by flaming assholes (like
myself), or what? Also, who thinks they've been lurking for the longest time
without any (or at least many) posts? Post your replies ... IF YOU DARE!

-Brendon

oPc: 7/23/97 Ghost: not necessarily the BEST in my book, but it'll always be
"The" Ghost in my book.

hidden gmail offer: I've got 4 invites. e-mail me a copy of your post to
this thread, along with a message about why you want g-mail and why you
haven't snagged an invite yet (preference given to lurkers, of course).


author: T to the G

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
I've been "lurking" here for years...since about 97 or 98, if I remember
correctly.

I used to post alot more back in the day, although it was never alot. It was
mostly tape trades, etc.

I still post from time to time, if I see something that catches my eye.  Mostly
I just can't get caught up in all the nonsense (politics, etc) that goes on
around here. I deal with that shit everyday at work.

I must say that I enjoy all the pron links though.

TG
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Don't fuck with us.  We drop bombs from like 33 feet out."


author: dbowiechangedmylife

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Hi - My name is Jessica  and I am a lurker...
I have a shameful, sick habit of reading even the most pointless
posts, mainly because I recently graduated college and moved home, and
I had been in need of some sympathy when Phish came to an end - I will
be honest, the bitchfest that proceeded the final show was
disheartening, but I still found it amusing - I mainly still *lurk*
because I have a love for the band and enjoy hearing the comments
about different shows, songs, encores, openers, etc. - I do not read
about politics because frankly, if I wanted to get the facts or an
objective point of view, I would not come here -
The reason that I have never posted is because I am intimidated a
little - I started seeing/ listening to phish around '98 - and I
really just love the music, love the band, and would never complain -
because some of the best moments of my life were spent with Phish -
Thank you for inviting the lurkers to "cross the line" because I was
scared...Maybe I'll start posting -
As for my favorite RMPer, I don't want to play favorites - Besides, it
changes everyday - (but I do favor Digs Under Rocks and Briantalope)

Go Cards -


author: No no

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
I started reading rmp about a year ago--I not only found it to be
amusing but a great source of information about various things such as
movies, other music, the news, ect...(because I have no cable and I
haven't picked up a newspaper in years).  I do post when I feel
inclined--which is rarely.  I've really slacked off reading rmp the past
several month because I realized sitting in front of a computer for
hours on end isn't good for your health, your complexion, or state of
mind on some days.  But recently I've started skimming through posts
about once a week just to keep myself updated.  OK--that is all.
LiveLoveLife...

Brendon M. Troy wrote:


author: tbone

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
i love to read the stuff,

but most posts i make don't get a big response,

i don't have the knowledge of phish that you guys all do.

been interested in phish for about a year before hiatus started.

"Brendon M. Troy" <[email]> wrote in
message news:chpkef$njf$[email]...
can't
time
be


author: Craig

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Brendon M. Troy wrote:

I don't like this suggestion that bacon is a negative thing


author: Mike Bove

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
If by "bacony," you mean salty and quite delicious, then yes, yes it is.

I don't know, I've been lurking around here since early 96. I use RMP primarily
for Phish info, but over the past couple of years it's grown into more of a
habit; you know, I always read it, that sort of thing.
It's interesting to me to watch regulars come and go, and I often wonder myself
how many lurkers are out there, ones that read every day, but rarely post.

I like this place, so I think I'll keep lurking.

***************************************************
I came out on top by the luck of the draw.
http://db.etree.org/abraxa


author: oscillation

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
[email] (T to the G) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Did anyboy read my post?

The Boy With a Thorn in His Side


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
"dbowiechangedmylife" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Right on, nice post :)  I'm not one to complain either- well about the band
anyway

cards will choke come playoff time, bet    :-P


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
<>

that's no excuse.
;-)
..sandy

----
phunkyside, inc
..handmade jewelry..
www.phunkyside.com


author: Art Vandelay

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
tbone wrote:

Don't worry, plenty of regulars on RMP apparently dont know squat about
Phish either, and that doesn't stop them from posting...


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
"ikegartrelljr" <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

I've been actively "lurking" since 1994.  In the beginning, it was for
info..  Then it turned into a newbie B+P obsession.  After I lost
interest in avid collecting I simply sat back and enjoyed the soap
opera.  I've been here ever since just to read what's next (yeah, I'm
a proud wierdo too).  Favorite r.m.p. poster?  There's been so many
that have come and gone.  But, there is one inparticular whose name
escapes me (I think it may have been Corey or something).  He was
posting actively in the spring and summer of 1997 and then he kind of
fizzled out.  He was so fucking obnoxious that you simply HAD to laugh
(even though he was pissing a lot of people off).  It seemed that
every subject line of his posts contained some flaming insult along
that lines of "ALL RIGHT YOU BITCHES!!!" or "LISTEN UP ASSHOLES!"  He
never really had much of value to say but the guy was absolutely
hilarious and, not to mention, the perfect social agitator.  If I
could remember the name he was using I'd research his posts for the
sheer humor.  I think that Bi Polarbear may be this guys 'modern-day'
replacement even though Bear is more laid back in his approach and,
not to mention, more refined.  I don't really have much else to say
besides that this forum could make an excellent dissertation for any
cultural anthropologist who "lurked" for a long enough period of time.
 A fictional novel could also be written about this place and, again,
it would take the right kind of lurker.  For me it's a hobbie and many
may say that it's an obsession (I don't mind it).  I simply enjoy
watching this movie that has a cast of thousands.

Back to the Bottom of the Ocean's Canyons,

The Boy With a Thorn in His Side


author: El Reesio

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
I've been lurking since '96, '97.

Use it for amusement as well as phish info, rumors, and of course show
reviews and set lists.

Its one of the few places I can go that I know is fresh.

I don't think it resembles a bacony train wreck.

I often want to post but I use google groups cause i'm too lazy, and
busy, to use a newsreader. So whats the point when it takes 4-7 hours?
Also don't really want my employer seeing everything that I would
post.

Favorite poster? thats tough. don't want to get on anyone's bad, or
good side.

Keep up the good work!


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
ikegartrelljr wrote:

Lurker, indeed. It never even occured to me that someone married that
douchebag.


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Lurkers, which rmper is your favorite and why?

----
phunkyside, inc
..handmade jewelry..
www.phunkyside.com


author: kiwi

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Lilith0516 wrote:

hah really... who the heck talks about phish around here anyway! ;-)

i was "only" interested in phish a year before the hiatus as well...
well a little more than that... my first show was 10/9/99, got into them
the summer beforehand... I see that as somewhat of a long time!  (I know
it's no mid to early 90s, but still ;-) )


author: dig under rocks

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
"Art Vandelay" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
| tbone wrote:
|
| > i love to read the stuff,
| >
| > but most posts i make don't get a big response,
| >
| > i don't have the knowledge of phish that you guys all do.
| >
|
| Don't worry, plenty of regulars on RMP apparently dont know squat about
| Phish either, and that doesn't stop them from posting...

WhatisYEM?


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
mary is his gay daughter....lynn is the one whop married the douchebag....

Drop moc.loa to reply


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Lilith0516 wrote:

he's no lurker, but i'm willing to bet you're ike's favorite rmper.  ;-)
  (call it a hunch)


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
I like Berkowitz (sp?). He's always got some great links, plus if I remember
right, he also occasionally hangs out at alt.books.kurt-vonnegut, on which I
also lurk.
I also like the guy who corrects other people's spelling and grammar, can't
remember who it is.
Also, Lizard is cool. I checked out his website and listened to a few of his
tunes.
I used to like Burndawg, but alas, I haven't seen him around in a while.
Charlie Dirksen was great, but it seems he, too, went the way of the RMP Dodo.

***************************************************
I came out on top by the luck of the draw.
http://db.etree.org/abraxa


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
<< > <>

oh my god, matt.. me too.. well my first show was 7.3.99 in camden.. the secret
is out.. i've been into phish since 94.. but never got myself to a show until
99... granted i was only 14 in 94.. and without an older sibling to help me
into the phishy world.. and while in high school.. phish just hadn't made it's
way down to south jersey.. so once i got into my freshamn year of college in
98/99.. it finally all started to come together..
and then they go on hiatus.. so i went to as many TAB shows and the like as
possible until phish came back..

all together i've been to about 20 shows.. not too shabby for trying to make up
for lost time..

and now their done.. (sigh) i just feel lucky for 2 things..
1.. i got to see them pre-hiatus.. when i listen to that show.. i feel the
difference.. even with it being only months before..
2.. i got to see them at all..

only regrets... no halloween.. and no nye..

but how can you even have regrets when you (meaning me) got to see them at all
and really connect with them...

thank you...
..sandy

----
phunkyside, inc
..handmade jewelry..
www.phunkyside.com


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
"dig under rocks" <[email]> wrote

Oooh, Ryan, you didn't even get the n00b question-acronym right! Go back to
"Start": http://www.phish.net/faq/yem.html.

;-)

-Brendon


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
WARDUNN28 wrote:

Lynn, Mary, whatever dude I'm not obsessed with them like you are

;)


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
<< > Lurkers, which rmper is your favorite and why?

he's no lurker, but i'm willing to bet you're ike's favorite rmper.  ;-)
  (call it a hunch) >>

honestly.. he freaks me out a bit.. not to mention he's a die hard bush
support..
s-cuse me while i puke..

(haha)
..sandy
p.s. sgtpeppermann is my fav lurker...

----
phunkyside, inc
..handmade jewelry..
www.phunkyside.com


author: Kahreeni

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Berkowitz is cool but arent most of his links cnn.com......nothing great
about that


author: spinkle

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
sandy, Camden was 7/10/99 =)

"Lilith0516" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
secret
until
me
it's
in
as
make up
all


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Lilith0516 wrote:

nope, definitely not... i saw a total of 15 shows

yeah, i saw 3 pre hiatus shows, which i'm very happy i got to experience.

same here! :-(  I've been sayin all along I'd love to go to a phish NYE
show... I never expected it to end and me not get it.  (same with
halloween)  I was in NYC for the 2002 NYE hiatus ending show... but was
without a ticket.  :-(


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
STFU, n00b.  He was doing it Ken Jennings style.  DUUUUUUH!

"I'm starting to get over the urge to kill somebody and into the urge to rock."
 Ani DiFranco

"I cannot and will not cut my conscience to fit this year's fashions."
--Lillian Hellman


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Brendon M. Troy wrote:

hah really... i'm disappointed, ryan...

WATSIYEM?


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
"Brendon M. Troy" <[email]> wrote in
message news:chq09m$9op$[email]...
| "dig under rocks" <[email]> wrote
| > WhatisYEM?
|
| Oooh, Ryan, you didn't even get the n00b question-acronym right! Go back
to
| "Start": http://www.phish.net/faq/yem.html.

I actually never knew about that acronym......


author: ikegartrelljr

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
<< > Lurkers, which rmper is your favorite and why?

he's no lurker, but i'm willing to bet you're ike's favorite rmper.  ;-)
  (call it a hunch) >>

honestly.. he freaks me out a bit.. not to mention he's a die hard bush
support..
s-cuse me while i puke..

(haha)
..sandy
p.s. sgtpeppermann is my fav lurker...>>>

Sandy, I am sorry if I freak you out. I do think such ideas are
unwarranted and needless, like the dem party, but that is just me. Can't
we be friends? Do you hate Roy Jone Jr? He didn't forget!

cheers and beers,

i


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
<< same here! :-(  I've been sayin all along I'd love to go to a phish NYE
show... I never expected it to end and me not get it.  (same with
halloween)  I was in NYC for the 2002 NYE hiatus ending show... but was
without a ticket.  :-( >>

me too.. total bummer.. if only i knew you then we could have chilled out in
our no-phish misery..

ended up just chillin out around the city with my other ticket-less friends..

..sandy

----
phunkyside, inc
..handmade jewelry..
www.phunkyside.com


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
kiwi wrote:

You see, this is why people are afraid to post on RMP.  It's ruthless.


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
"dig under rocks" <[email]> wrote

Hehe, good save!

-Brendon


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Y'ALL MUSTA FORGOT

"ikegartrelljr" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
<<  << > Lurkers, which rmper is your favorite and why?

he's no lurker, but i'm willing to bet you're ike's favorite rmper.  ;-)
  (call it a hunch) >>

honestly.. he freaks me out a bit.. not to mention he's a die hard bush
support..
s-cuse me while i puke..

(haha)
..sandy
p.s. sgtpeppermann is my fav lurker...>>>

Sandy, I am sorry if I freak you out. I do think such ideas are
unwarranted and needless, like the dem party, but that is just me. Can't
we be friends? Do you hate Roy Jone Jr? He didn't forget!

cheers and beers,

i

it's cool, i... we can be friends.. but i'm not saying it'll be easy.. i mean
your views are very strong and i often find myself on the complete opposite
side of the room from you..

..politics..shmolitics..
:-P
..sandy

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phunkyside, inc
..handmade jewelry..
www.phunkyside.com


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Scott Tillman wrote:

The first few times I posted I got royally chewed out by Robbie.  I
stopped posting for a while, but kept reading and soon figured out what
was what.  That learning curve is pretty steep, though.  But damn, you
just gotta weed out the uber-pansies, ya know?  Not much need for
lightweights around here.


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Scott Tillman wrote:

what, not a fan of having pine cones inserted into your rectum?

<rimshot>

rectum, damn near killed 'em!


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
<< > sandy, Camden was 7/10/99 =)

blizzam!! >>

haha.. and by 7.3.99 i of course meant 7.10.99..
i also saw them then next year in camden on 7.3.00...

whoops.. damn my burnt brain..

..sandy

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phunkyside, inc
..handmade jewelry..
www.phunkyside.com


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Lilith0516 wrote:

yeah, that's what melissa and i did too... got wasted and wandered to
times square to watch the ball drop... haha


author: The Bi Polar Bear

subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
I'm an idiot and I apologize...you are pretty cool.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Phish...They scared the shit back into you
-------------------------------------------------------------


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Art Vandelay wrote:

Yeah, that's what kept me lurking at first, it doesn't seem as friendly
as it is


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Art Vandelay wrote:

haha, that's why melissa doesn't like posting sometimes, becuase she
feels as if she gets criticized for everything she says... but that's
just the way we are, we criticize everyone for everything ;-)


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Lilith0516 wrote:

yeah that's right, damn you for not remembering every date of every
phish show you've seen!

10/9/99, 9/11/00, 9/12/00, 2/24/03, 2/26/03, 3/1/03, 8/2/03, 8/3/03,
12/1/03, 12/2/03, (simulcast of 6/17/04), 6/19/04, 6/20/04, 8/14/04,
8/15/04

;-)


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
The Bi Polar Bear wrote:

No prob, I see it as a rite of passage.


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
kiwi wrote:

*yam* ... I got to "criticized" before your post bored me to tears


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Rusty Jay wrote:

haha, what, don't like reading the conversation? ;


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
n00bs get hazed, it's the way of the world.  eventually they grow up to be
hazers themselves.

it's a beautiful system.

think of yourself as the RMP pledgemaster, robbie..

"Art Vandelay" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Craig wrote:

you're not very good at criticizing, you need more practice.


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
kiwi wrote:

gah, my face lost its nose and mouth.

if anyone finds them, let me know.


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
Art Vandelay wrote:

I'm never posting here again!  <runs away and cries>


subject: Re: Lurkers? (nPc)

text:
found 'em matt

-)

"kiwi" <[email]> wrote in message
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author: Thomas Rosen

subject: How to cut support

text:
I have a question about cutting support and here is the case study which
I wish to investigate.

Let's suppose that Germany has:
A PIE
F ADR
A MUN

And Russia has:
A VEN
A TRL
A BOH

Germany moves:
PIE - VEN
ADR S PIE - VEN
MUN - TRL

and Russia moves:
VEN H
TRL S VEN
BOH S TRL

Does Munich moving into Tyrloia cut its support of Venice or does
Boehmia's support of Tyrolia allow Tyrolia to maintain support of Venice
despite Tyrolia being attacked?  Will Piedmont move into Venice and
Venice have to retreat?  If Bohemia can't support Tyrolia to maintain
its support of Venice, could Bohemia hypothetically attack Munich in
order to prevent Munich from cutting Tyrolia's support of Venice?

Thank you,
Thomas Rosen
[email]


author: Steve

subject: Re: How to cut support

text:
Thomas Rosen wrote:

*Yes*

*No*

*Yes*

Retreat or disband at Russia's discretion.

No. Boh-mun will have no effect on the abilit of mun to cut tyr
support for ven. Given the effective presence of these pieces and
no others, Germany has a forced capture of Venice available to
him (with the moves you posted), regardless of the Russian
defense. If Russia suspects this attack on ven, he might try
something else that might be effective... like supporting an
attack on Munich.

Also, on-line rules are posted here:
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/diplomacy_rules.htm

Check page 10 of the new 2000 rules for support cuts.

Steve


author: Nick Wedd

subject: Re: How to cut support

text:
In article <[email]>, Thomas Rosen
<[email]> writes

Yes.

No.  A unit that is attacked cannot give effective support (unless the
attack comes from the destination of the supported move, not the case
here).

Yes.

No.  A unit that is attacked cannot give effective support (except as
mentioned above).

Nick


author: W. Scott Radeker, IV

subject: Georgia Tech!

text:
I finally made it.  I thought we would never get this on the newsfeed.

I just have one thing to say:

I'm a ramblin' wreck from Georgia Tech,
and a helluva engineer.
a helluva helluva helluva helluva
helluva engineer.
Like all the jolly good fellows,
I drink my whiskey clear.
I am ramblin' wreck from Georgia Tech,
and a helluva engineer.

The best fight song in the land...

Scott


author: Jeramia Ory

subject: Re: Georgia Tech!

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (W. Scott Radeker, IV) writes:
	So _that's_ what the words are.  When we (Nebraska) played you
guys in the Citrus Bowl in '91 all we could make out were the first two
lines, so we sang the entire tune after that as helluva helluva helluva ...
etc., substituting f*cking queer for engineer.  Ah, memories

Jeramia Ory
[email]
[email]


subject: Re: Georgia Tech!

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Jeramia Ory) writes:
That's just the first verse.  And sorry about man-handling you in the football
game.  :-)  We did end up national champs that year.

the other verses will be posted tonight...in case ANYONE cared.

Scott


author: Ernst Raedecker

subject: Re: AC Line filter question

text:
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:08:06 GMT, "Richard Freeman" <[email]>
wrote:

Richard,

this has to be considered an el-cheapo answer, clearly coming from
someone who has never seriously looked at his AC outlets.

You see, where I live, in the center of Amsterdam, the AC mains is
heavily polluted. How do we know that? We can HEAR it.

A good audio dealer has a kind of "AC noise sniffer", being
fundamentally a plug with a little loudspeaker attached to it. If he's
a nice fellow, you may lend it for a day. Plug it into the wall and it
will filter out 50 Hz (Europe) or 60 Hz (USA). Theoretically it should
be silent. But it is not.

If the mains is polluted, you will hear all kinds of frequencies,
buzzes, rings, cracks etc coming out of the wall. Turn on a lamp with
a dimmer and if the dimmer is awful quality, you will hear an extra
brrrrrrr coming from the dimmer. TL lamps may be audible too.

All this noise is going into your amplifier and other equipment. Now,
a good amp has some sort of filtering, adapted for "normal" more or
less quite AC mains. Filtering adjusts the sound, so heavy filtering
will be problematic, therefore heavy filtering is not done as a
standard.

In comes the extra AC filtering for polluted mains. Now the simple el
cheapo filters don't allow heavy currents to run, so the amp may be
suffocating somewhat when he asks for large amounts of current. This
will compress the sound, makes bass weak or slow, etc.
So the really good filters should allow for, maybe 16 A to run, and
still be as neutral as possible. This however, seems to be always a
problem. I have tested a few filters. The cheap ones are awful and
even the expensive ones (needed for the big currents and the good
quality parts) do influence the sound audibly.

So the question remains. What is worse? The pollution or the filter? I
opted for a non-filtering, shielded outlet block. This works the best
in my situation.

My neighbour plays classic guitar and likes to do his own recordings.
He has a nice condenser mike. The mike needs power supply to operate.
When he plays back his recordings, he can always hear the rattling of
the AC mains, introduced by the power supply of the mike itself.

In a good amp you will not hear the rattling and all the high freqs
from the mains themselves, that would be poor design. However, some
"unrest" may be audible, and the very low signal level ambience
details may get lost.

Building a special audio mains group wil help many times, because many
times the main sources of pollution are in your own house: dimmers,
computers, tl lamps, fridges, halogene lamps, etc. But if the
pollution comes from outside, the separate group will not help.

I know a guy who lives in a village. The electricity company was
laying new cables in the street. He asked for a dedicated cable,
coming straight from the "verdeelstation", the electricity
distribution box in the street. He got permission, paid a considerable
sum of money, and now has really really good sound.

In short, mains troubles are not something to ridicule.

Ernesto.