author: McCroskey

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Matt Whiting" <whiting_no_spam_AT_epix.net> wrote in message
and then
Get a clue, Matt. Do you think that after all these years, if they had

anything even remotely resembling a legally actionable cause, they
wouldn't
have already done that? That's why the vast majority of what you see
in
these threads is hot air and putzes whose valor ends where the mouse
cords
run out. :)[/quote:ecd2946046]

Juan, do you have a job yet?  Its' about 18 months since you left
Borland, isn't it?

Did you know that when you apply for a job with any large or medium
size company, HR googles your name?  What do you think they do when
they find all the posts about Zoom?

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author: BobR

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
I just love it when your reply reflects directly back on your own
image.  Once again, you have looked in the mirror and seen yourself.
We all know that you are as good as your word and your word isn't worth
shit.

PS:  What makes you think that anyone here, or anywhere else, cares
what you think?

Juan Jimenez wrote:
them.
That
the
independently
or the
out of
banned
went in,
interviewed
post
than
showing what


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Quote from the MASTER of knowing nothing about everyting...Janu Jimenez

Juan Jimenez wrote:
were


author: Juan Jimenez

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
A very, very stupid thing for the SNF people to do. Just like the stupidity
of last year. First he can get in, then no, it was a mistake. Who's on
first? What a bunch of buffoons.

"Cy Galley" <[email]> wrote in message
news:tmQ6e.9042$Bb3.7700@attbi_s22...


author: Ron Wanttaja

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:50:17 GMT, "Cy Galley" <[email]> wrote:

Sometimes the old traditions are the best. :-)

For those who haven't heard, half of Zoom's lawsuit against SnF was dismissed
last fall... the claim of invasion of privacy.

Ron Wanttaja


author: Steve Foley

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
It's too bad they didn't write the message on paint-balls and deliver them
with CO2

"Cy Galley" <[email]> wrote in message
news:tmQ6e.9042$Bb3.7700@attbi_s22...


author: Dude

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Cy Galley" <[email]> wrote in message
news:tmQ6e.9042$Bb3.7700@attbi_s22...

The fact that so many see it on ANN is not helping the cause of the SnF
folks. (or really Zoom).

I think both sides would do better to let it go, but its more likely that I
will catch a ride to Oshkosh on a supersonic flying pig.


author: ChuckSlusarczyk

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] says...
Robert;

Hi Frank #2 chicken thief
Missed ya at SnF this year .Still got that can of "pop" ya gave me a couple
years ago.I still can't get past the name to open and drink it :-)

See ya

Chuck( #1 chicken thief ) S RAH-14/1 ret


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

If I didn't hear about it, it wasn't a story worth telling, either that or
it was another expression of the chucksteak's pathological lying streak. :)


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"McCroskey" <[email]> wrote in
message news:426ee6b2$1_2@127.0.0.1...

As a matter of fact, I do. What's _your_excuse, putz? :)


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <426ee6b2$1_2@127.0.0.1>, McCroskey says...

Gee I never thought of that, think I'll do a google myself and see what happens
when I google jaun. After all I'm an employer:-)

See ya
Chuck (got a job) S RAH-14/1 ret


author: wmbjk

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
On 26 Apr 2005 20:11:14 -0500,
[email] (McCroskey) wrote:

Hire him as manager of the Inappropriate Emoticons Department?

Wayne


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"BobR" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Who cares what you think my image is, nitwit? Haven't you figured out yet
that if I want to know what your opinion is of me, I'll ask you?  Shoo, back
under your brownnosing rock.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"BobR" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Spoken by the typical Texas moron who couldn't spell a word right if his
life depended on it. Hell, if it weren't for gravity, you probably would
never have figured out how to land a plane!


author: ower

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Juan Jimenez"   wrote in a message:
stupidity
first?
 "Juan Jimenez"  wrote in another message:
Hear, hear the puppy is barking. And about the shooting thing, ain't that
a good idea?
ower


author: Ron Natalie

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Steve Foley wrote:
...or lead balls delivered with gunpowder.


author: LCT Paintball

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Steve Foley" <[email]> wrote in message
news:0bR6e.3405$ha3.2909@trndny02...

You makin' fun of me?

:)


author: Kyle Boatright

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Dude" <[email]> wrote in message
news:TZW6e.20151$[email]...

I figure that SnF has let it go.. They would be happy leaving it as status
quo- i.e. no zoom at SnF.  Zoom's the one who can't give it up.

My guess is that SnF would probably drop the ban if Zoom behaved nicely for
a few years and stopped publishing the annual series of anti-SnF pieces.
Today's selection was pitiful at best, with ANN taking plenty of implied
shots at SnF just in the tone of their articles.

KB


author: Roger

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
On 26 Apr 2005 19:06:47 -0700, ChuckSlusarczyk
<[email]> wrote:

yah don't even need to be an employer Chuck.  Any thing on here is
public and *almost* all of it gets archived.

Just search on some of the past posters. It does go a longggg way
back. <:-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


author: Dave S

subject: OT rebuttal...

text:
Darrel Toepfer wrote:

That same "proof" occurs in every state around the nation, probably on a
daily basis.. it just doesn't become a manipulative media spectacle.

Dave


author: Stuart & Kathryn Fields

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
I can't believe the attention that Zoom is able to get.  Who was the actor
that said: " I don't care what they say as long as they spell my name
right".  Other than providing keyboard practice to several people, what has
this thread achieved?  I'm at a loss to see anyway that any homebuilt cause
or education has been advanced.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Are you inciting people to shoot Jim Campbell? This is a really stupid
thing, even for you it's a new low.

"Ron Natalie" <[email]> wrote in message
news:425c7f48$0$5839$[email]...


author: Corky Scott

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:12:54 -0400, Ron Natalie <[email]>
wrote:

Don't be surprised to see Zoom take this and write up a story about
having his life threatened.

Corky Scott


author: Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Ron Natalie wrote:

You guys are just not being creative enough. Think of all the toys Acmeï¿½
has.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


author: Paul Folbrecht

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Another paintballer-pilot, eh?  Me too.

LCT Paintball wrote:


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Unless you don't believe the ANN story about them taping multiple copies of
the ban to the door of the ANN office, then you can't believe they have
dropped it.  Even if the story is embellished, it would be best for them to
use a process server or professional delivery service rather than tape.

I think there is plenty of anymosity on both sides, and if SnF were to let
it go, they would simply let Zoom have his press pass and let him in to rant
and rave however he sees fit.  Better yet, keep him under unobtrusive
surveillance so that if he starts any fights with anyone they have all the
evidence they need to throw him out and deny him entrance forever.

I met Zoom not too long ago, and frankly, I found him to be a rather meek
and nerdy kind of guy.  I bet I could raise his blood pressure with a stern
look.

The experience put the lie to both his self promoted test pilot image as
well as many stores about his behavior.  He did seem the type that would
hide behind a lawyer though, so I can believe those tales.  I understand he
did a good job of ruining some businesses, and I can't blame anyone for
taking action for being so maligned.  Unfortunately, everyone who reads his
reviews hasn't had a chance to meet him.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <[email]>, Roger says...

If that's the case I sure glad I never posted anything I wouldn't want publicly
known :-) Bet yawn and zoom can't say that .IMHO LOL!!

Chuck (I don't care what ya Goggle) S RAH-14/1 ret


subject: Re: OT rebuttal...

text:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 00:07:29 GMT, Dave S <[email]>
wrote:

Of course, most people given food and water sitll expire from natural
causes.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


author: Darrel Toepfer

subject: Re: OT rebuttal...

text:
Dave S wrote:

Thats true, people get served legal documentation all the time and you
never read about it anywhere...


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <[email]>, Stuart & Kathryn Fields says...

Probably because you've never been zoomed. You probably haven't been hurt by his
half truths and lies,you've never been hurt finiancially by him or have had your
reputation either personal or businesswise damaged by him. You probably never
had him call the Police on you and say you were threatening him etc ., etc.,Many
of us have been zoomed and we won't forget it.
He's never been held accountable for all the harm he's done in the past 12 years
to a lot of good people.

Your probably not aware of the whole story If you think he's just another
aviation writer why not write him and ask what the fuss is about .Ask him if he
ever flew Etheopian food relief missions like he claims,ask him what company was
he a test pilot for? Ask how he accumilated the flight time he claims when
people who fly for a living don't have that many hours. Chances are you'll get
"zoomed" and then you'll have a better understanding of what this is all about.
Go to http://www.ousterhout.net/ for a better overview  about this guy called
zoom.

Chuck S RaH-14/1 ret


author: Robert Bonomi

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <51ac$4262fd2a$40eda7b0$[email]>,
Juan Jimenez <[email]> wrote:

OH!  You mean that bullets would just bounce when they encounter such a
concentrated level of BS, right?


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

Speaking of low blows, how are you?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired?


author: Anthony W

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Why can't some one at SnF get a restraining order against him then when
he shows up they can have him arrested?

Tony


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
You're kidding! All this time I've been looking up to pilots assuming they
are a class above the rest of us. You've burst my bubble.

I'm not a paintballer-pilot yet. Mostly just a paintballer/small business
owner. I'm hoping to start some lessons this fall. In the mean time, I'm
lurking around and trying to learn what I can.

I enjoy building things that make the neighbors shake their head in
disbelief. I am amazed at the things the people in this group have
accomplished.

I've built a paintball tank with a 3" main gun, a "blooper" look alike for
taking out tanks that landed my picture in a magazine, and now I'm working
on a new tank that will borrow some building techniques from you guys. It
will be a fiberglass composite built around a steel frame, and will have a
semi auto main gun firering a foam round that I build, and boast a 40 rps
chain gun similar to the warthog's (but not quite as lethal I hope). :)


subject: Re: Zoom

text: In article <OG%6e.56781$[email]>, Dude says...


author: Juan Jimenez

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Dude" <[email]> wrote in message
news:OG%6e.56781$[email]...

No, you definitely didn't meet Jim. More than likely you meet Slucarzyk.
Wrong side of SNF.


author: Ron Wanttaja

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 02:42:54 GMT, "Dude" <[email]> wrote:

I don't think SnF sent Zoom a notice reminding him that he was banned from the
show last year.  And, of course, Zoom entered SnF grounds, despite the fact that
the ban was still valid, and despite the fact that he had an ongoing lawsuit
against the organization.  I don't blame SnF for sending a reminder this year.

Whether SnF or "parties unknown" were responsible for the alleged multiple-copy
delivery, we'll probably never know.  Like the "unwanted poster" Richard
mentioned, I bet it becomes a real collector's item....

Ron Wanttaja


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Well Chuck, I assume by your reply that something measurably positive is
being created by all of this bashing?  I wish there was as much creative
information about homebuilts here.  If you look at the relative amount of
postings and the content, the name of the newsgroup might be better called
"Bashing Practice 101"


author: Matt Whiting

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

Chuck, why haven't you all gotten together, pooled your resources and
then sued Zoom into oblivion?  I'm asking this seriously.  It seems like
a number of folks have reasonable grounds for lots of claims.  I can see
it being hard for any one person to fund this, then again, I'm surprised
that this zoom character can have enough money to keep suing people.
However, if 20+ people got together, you ought to be able to keep suing
him for quite some time.

Matt


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Awwww, poor baby, your feelings are hurt? Why didn't you ask someone to put
something on that?

What a joke, the pot calling the kettle black. :)

Juan


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Robert Bonomi wrote:

Actually yawn is concerned if anyone shoots zoom in the butt they might
hit yawn in the head.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:

Actually that would be a low BJ, juan is rather short.

Tony


author: Morgans

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" <[email]> wrote

Naw, this is the right way.

Low blow?  Speaking of low blows, how's your mom?


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:10:56 GMT, Anthony W <[email]> wrote:

Actually, they issued him a formal trespass warning when they kicked him out
back in the '90s.  It's a misdemeanor if he comes on the grounds.

As Richard posted, he'd promised to behave after a previous "permanent"
ejection, and didn't.  Since his final ejection in 1998, it's illegal for him to
enter the grounds...but he did last year.

For those who think SnF should give him one more chance, consider:  He doesn't
keep his word, and he has no compunction about breaking the law.  How, exactly,
is Sun and Fun supposed to trust him?

Ron Wanttaja


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
I feel a little guilty taking this wonderful thread a bit off-topic, but
here goes.

First of all I'm rather partï¿½time paintballer.. I'd play more often if I
didn't fly so much, that's for sure.

I too am amazed at a lot of the folks in this group, though I plan to
follow in their footsteps (or at least attempt to) in the very near
future: my RVï¿½10 tail & wing kits have been ordered.

A few years ago the idea of becoming a pilot struck me as a very lofty,
perhaps unattainable, dream, as well.  It's not!  Here I am now pushing
300 hours with my instrument rating and owning a Cessna 152.  Anybody of
reasonable intelligence who puts their mind to it can do this.  Go for it!

~Paul

P.S. Your paintball tanks sound mighty cool.  Sounds to me like you have
what it takes to build an airplane.

LCT Paintball wrote:


author: Russell Kent

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Dude" <[email]> wrote:

"Juan Jimenez" <[email]> replied:

As a card-carrying "nerd" who has met Chuck, I doubt anyone would ever
classify Chuck as a "nerdy kind of guy."  "Someone entirely too enamored of
all things Polish" perhaps. :-)

That said, I've never me Jim Campbell so I have no opinion if Dude's
(unflattering but not outright hostile)characterization is accurate.

Russell Kent


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Ron Wanttaja" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

He wasn't banned from the show last year. I was there when he went in, and I
took pictures. TV and newspaper crews took pictures, interviewed him, etc.
Bet Ousterhout won't publish those. :)


author: Dude

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Ron Wanttaja" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I am certainly not the most educated guy on the history of these antics, but
it has always seemed to me that SnF, or related parties, didn't handle it
well.  Not that Zoom was not at fault, but fixing his behavior isn't going
to happen.  The crux of Zoom's argument is that the airport is public
property or some sort of whining.  At any rate, fighting fire with fire
would seem to be the best plan.  Get his idiocy on video, and post it to the
net.


author: ChuckSlusarczyk

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <[email]>, Stuart & Kathryn Fields says...

Granted there is some bashing in some of the posts but the point of the posts
is to instruct not bash for bashing sake. It evident to me that you missed the
point of the postings. Did you go to http://www.ousterhout.net/ to get some
background before assuming that there was no positives to all this? Did you do
any Google searches to get a feel for what this is all about or are you just
playing newsgroup censor?

In my opinion zoom is a phony and thru the years he has damaged many peoples
name ,reputation and livihoods, is this OK with you? I would hope not. I'm sure
the 2 companies he just sued at SnF for non payment of unwanted ads wish they
could have been informed before doing business with him. That's the positve
message.

There is loads of homebuilt info here and from time to time a zoom thread will
pop up, run a while and stop .No big deal. Maybe you don't realize that most of
the people and companies zoom has hurt are deeply involved in the homebuilt
field. People that he bullied into silence while he had his magazine where he
controlled the content and never ran a letter to the editor from a lot of us
defending our positions. His side was the only one heard for a long time.

Only thru the Internet and RAH in particular did those of us who were zoomed
have a voice. I never knew that there were more then a couple of us who had been
zoomed until I started posting my story on the net. Then the gates opened and
the truth about zoom was opened to the light of day. The list of those who have
been zoomed reads like a "Who's Who in homebuilt aviation" list.

Maybe from you seemingly uninformed perspective it may seem that way but I
respectfully disagree with your conclusions.

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"zoom can fool most of the people some of the time ,some of the people none of
the time& jaun all of the time"   anon


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

 Granted, there is bashing going on, but they are always doing it with the
word zoom in the subject.  Simply put that word in your filter, and you
never will have to look at the zoom bashing again.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <_idbe.1475$[email]>, Matt Whiting says...

That's been recently discussed among a few of us .It would be done not for
profit because he doesn't have anything but for principle. Maybe it's time to
get serious about it . I'm all for it. I'd love to see him on a stand under oath
trying to explain his wild claims...

See ya

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Matt Whiting" <[email]> wrote in message
news:_idbe.1475$[email]...

Get a clue, Matt. Do you think that after all these years, if they had
anything even remotely resembling a legally actionable cause, they wouldn't
have already done that? That's why the vast majority of what you see in
these threads is hot air and putzes whose valor ends where the mouse cords
run out. :)


author: Ron Natalie

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Matt Whiting wrote:

Because the man is "judgement proof."  Any real assets he had lost a
long time ago in bankrupcy.  He's left a whole string of creditors
behind.

While Chuck and others have some assets, they don't have an infinite
amount to try to out-zoom zoom.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" <[email]> wrote in message
news:ocE9e.28698$d43.4837@lakeread03...

good thing you're retired, because your jokes suck. i suppose that's the
reason you keep trying to get attention by taking off your clothes in
public, eh? what a dweeb.

get over it already, dannyboy.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Morgans wrote:

Or That's a dirty crack, speaking of.....

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Ron Wanttaja wrote:

The difference with a restraining order is that he would have gone to
the gray-motel for a few days.

Tony


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <d43cn4$kmq$[email]>, Russell Kent says...

Actually I'm a closet nerd and was outed this week at SnF. I left my pocket
protector resplendent with 2 drafting pencils,matching ball point pen ,a 6" SS
rule and 2 magic markers ,one red  one black out in the open and I was quickly
found out.It's amazing how fast one can be exposed LOL!!!

Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

Why don't you publish them? Better yet, send them to me and I'll post
them for you.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


author: John Ousterhout

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

Jim Campbell was allowed to enter Sun 'n Fun once by mistake in 2004.

I've published portions of the Lakeland (FL) Ledger Newspaper story and
Jim Campbell's stories about the events of April 16, 2004.  I also
included links to the entire original stories.

I recommend reading them all and then deciding which story seems more
objective.

http://www.ousterhout.net/zoom.html

- John Ousterhout -


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Dude wrote:

I'm surprised it hasn't been done already.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


author: Stuart Fields

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Chuck:  Reading the list of the posters and some of their comments, it seems
that all of the instruction is going to the choir.  It seems all agree with
your point of view except Juan Jimenez.  It doesn't look like any kind of
open discussion, but if it makes the participants feel better, I guess
that's reason enough to continue.  Although I would like to see the number
of T hangars that could be built with the energy and time spent.
BTW I've been aware of Campbell's reputation for some time and have no
reason to defend him.

"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
says...
posts
the
some
you do
just
peoples
sure
they
positve
will
most of
homebuilt
he
us
zoomed
had been
and
have
called
none of


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

ROFLMAO! Instruct what, that guilt by association is the standard in this
country? Perhaps in your native Poland, but certainly not here. Or maybe
you're just trying to prove that being dense is an excuse to do anything you
want on Usenet? Or maybe you're just banging your head against the wall
because it feels good when you stop. Who knows.

And then again only because not one of you have the gonads to do it in
person. Hide behind the keyboard and throw rocks. Such a positive
mentality...

Juan


author: Jerry Springer

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:
Valor Juan???? I have personally seen him selling subscriptions to his
defunct magazine at Arlington.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In other words, you tried to break the corporate veil and failed. Boo hoo.
Whine on.

"Ron Natalie" <[email]> wrote in message
news:426d9d33$0$5840$[email]...


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Ron Natalie wrote:

If he has no assets, how does he keep hiring lawyers to file law suits?
  Most lawyers don't work for free and if he doesn't have credible cases
then he isn't likely to get a contingency lawyer either.

Matt


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

I wasn't joking.

i suppose that's the

Oh? When, pray tell, did I do that? Does the thought turn you on?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
For those keeping score, Zoom filed two more lawsuits at SnF:  "Contract and
Indebtedness" claims against Powrachute and Controlvision.  Polk County
(Florida) Court Case numbers:

2005CA-001448-0000-LK
2005CA-001449-0000-LK

This makes 30 lawsuits involving Campbell in the last 15 years, including five
in the past three years.

EAA previously reported that Powrachute has been in financial trouble, and the
imminent sale of the company was reported:

http://www.sportpilot.org/news/050331_powrachute.html

Ron Wanttaja


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:37:14 GMT, Anthony W <[email]> wrote:

Yep.  Ignoring the no-trespass notice is a misdemeanor, but ignoring a
restraining order would be a felony.

There's a possibility Zoom's stunt played a part in the dismissal of the
"Invasion of Privacy" half of Campbell's suit.  As I posted a while back,
Campbell's gaining access last year was a perfect example of *why* SnF had felt
it necessary to post his driver's license photo at the entries.  The Clerk of
Court's web page...

http://evilurl.com/HELLhymentitRUMP (doncha just LOVE evilurl.com? :-)

...doesn't list a transcript of the hearing on the motion to dismiss, just the
judge's order dismissing that count.  However, Campbell's attorney declined the
opportunity to refile (that's the 11/22 letter from Mr. Kuhn).  It might have
been because of the security company's legal arguments...or it could have been
because Zoom's actions made it impossible to claim that posting the photo was
unnecessary.

In Zoom's answers to interrogatories, he refuses to answer some questions
because of Sun-N-Fun's supposed "...propensity to use some information in a
smear campaign on the internet."  Sounds to me like he's blaming SnF for the
things said about him on RAH.  Interesting, no?

Ron Wanttaja


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
I certainly would take issue with either of those statements.

It's good you have your priorities straight.  Good luck on the aviation
career if and when it becomes a reality.


author: Corky Scott

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:52:30 GMT, "LCT Paintball"
<[email]> wrote:

Or, you could start, and just keep at it for 15 years like me.

Corky (going for longest buildtime) Scott


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In your mailbox. Let's see how good you are in keeping your word.

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" <[email]> wrote in message
news:NYE8e.24563$d43.4473@lakeread03...


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"John Ousterhout" <[email]> wrote in
message news:AsF8e.26629$GJ.4309@attbi_s71...

By mistake? ROFLMAO! There were no less than two TV crews and several
newspaper crews, right there at the media booth, they all waited right there
with Jim while Jim waited for the response to his request for media
credentials. He was told he couldn't have credentials, but he could buy a
ticket and come in like everyone else. He did. I was right there and can
confirm exactly what happened. No mistake, except maybe in your gullible
imagination.

Now, I'd like to see where you published on your web site the stories
confirming that SNF lied to the Polk County Tourism board in order to get
more funds from the board. They gave the PCT board one set of inflated
attendance numbers, and the IRS another set of much smaller numbers. Either
they lied to the board or they lied to the IRS. Which one is it, John?


author: Steve Foley

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Maybe someone could post a transcript of his competency hearing.

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Qid7e.11977$d43.10070@lakeread03...


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <[email]>, Stuart Fields says...

Beside the people who do post there is a large group of folks who just lurk.
Some because of their jobs  (aviation writers) who must be careful of
controversy so  they don't post but they certainly read the posts. Usually I see
them at air shows and  we discuss zoom among other things.I talked to Kevin
O'Brien from ANN this year and had a friendly ,as usual, discussion with him. I
also saw John Ballentyne from ANN who stopped at our booth to visit but I was in
the trailer working a deal so I couldn't say hi. There are things said that I,
out of courtesy to all the writers I know, wouldn't repeat in public.

You might be surprised to know how many writers zoom has zoomed :-)Most if not
all are aware of zoom and take a tar baby approach to him.

Others have written me private e mails stating they were not aware of zoom's
tactics and took him at face value until they saw the posts and went to John O's
zoom site.However they didn't want to get involved in a public forum.

Generally speaking the "choir" consists mainly of people who have been "zoomed"
at one time or another and have no fear in posting.

The purpose  or at least my purpose in bringing up zoom from time to time is to
make people aware of what a phony he is and how he used his magazine to unfairly
malign people. Also to warn potential advertisers that zoom may do to them what
he has done for years ,that is to run unwanted ads and bill the companies .If
they don't pay he bullies them with threats of lawsuits and collection agency's.
There would be an open discussion if zoom would defend himself but he's in a non
defensible position .His toady jaun doesn't provide any logical arguments he
just name calls and makes irrelevant statements.

Might make an interesting study . However the 5 mins I take to write a post
wouldn't get much done in the T hangar dept.LOL!! At that rate it would take me
about 10 years :-)

Which makes me all the more curious as to why you took me to task on this thread
and not jaun. jaun evidently approves of zooms tactics  because he constantly
defends him. You say you have no reason to defend zoom but you took the side of
criticizing the thread. I suspect that you knew if you criticized jaun you'd be
blasted and called names by him. On the other hand you and I have had a dialog
that didn't involve name calling and was on a civil level even though we  may
not entirely agree.I'd call that an "open discussion." :-)

See ya

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"evil didn't prosper because good men spoke and evil was nuts"   anon


author: John Ammeter

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
On Sun, 1 May 2005 19:25:29 -0400, "Juan Jimenez"
<[email]> wrote:

Juan,

Your post has no relevance to what Chuck posted.  Chuck made
the point that Jim Campbell had a magazine that he edited
and that he used to attack various people and companys.
However, he NEVER allowed any "letters to the editor"
telling their "side of the story" to be published.

The only way the "rest of the story" could be told was RAH
and the internet.  Only here did everyone have the same
ability to post.  Jim Campbell soon found out that his lies
and accusations would be found out and exposed for the rest
of the aviation world to see.

It's documented that he said he flew rescue missions in
Ethopia... He  did not

It's documented that he said he fathered a child .... He did
not

It's documented that he represented himself as a Medical
Doctor.... He is not

It appears that Jim Campbell hasn't changed any...

In that light, it's pretty obvious that RAH is the only menu
available for the truth to come out about Jim Campbell.

Do you have any suggestions as to a better means to exposing
Jim Campbells past and current actions??

Actually, John Ousterhout's website does quite a good job of
it and I highly recommend anyone even thinking of believing
what Jim Campbell says to check it out thoroughly....

http://www.ousterhout.net/


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <6b2f9$4275656a$4117d216$[email]>, [email]
says...

You must have conviently missed those pictures of Chuck confronting
Zoom and then Zoom being escorted out of Sun N Fun that recently were
referenced on this list:)


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <6b2f9$4275656a$4117d216$[email]>, Juan Jimenez says...

Seems you have me mixed up with your hero.He sends you to do his  dirty work
for him since he lacks the courage of his convictions to speak for himself..Did
he or did he not sue  2 ex advertizers on the 15 of April? I bet your proud of
that .Not rocks just facts,something you don't understand FACTS.

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Jerry Springer" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Oh, so that's why you and your buddies haven't sued? :)


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:
I didn't try anything.  You know you do no justice to your point by
throwing out groundless insults to people who have done nothing to
you (and even if they did, you'd look better if you could behave in
a civil manner in your postings).

Someone asked why Zoom doesn't get sued, and I answered factually.
There's nothing there to get.   I didn't, nor did anybody else here,
try to "pierce the corporate veil."   Your knowledge of the law
seems to be even less deep than your knowledge of aviation.   Neither
Zoom's businesses nor him personally has any assets worth going after.
All this was exposed during the US Aviator days and I have seen nothing
that indicates that has changed.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Matt Whiting wrote:

I've always wondered about this.  Even when he was in the dire throws of
the Chapter 7 proceedings on USAviator, he still managed to get legal
representation.   There are two reasons for this.   One is that there
are lawyers who are willing to take on cases like this even despite the
risk of not recovering anything (I think he has left behind a string of
stiffed lawyers as well if I remember the USAviator bankrupcy
proceedings).   Two, when he chooses to be, the man is quite charming
and persuasive.  This is why he succeeds at all.   If he didn't go off
the deep end when the rest of his skills didn't work for him, he'd be
quite a succesful figure.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <WBobe.1495$[email]>, Matt Whiting says...

First you need to read his bankruptcy reports and see how many attorneys he's
stiffed. Secondly it dosen't take a lot of money to sue a couple thousand will
start it. The real money starts when you get ready for court ,but there's a lot
of posturing that goes on before that happens. When he sues so called dead beat
advertizers the Collection attorneys take a piece of that if they prevail.
He served 2 former advertizers papers at SnF this year . That guy is a piece of
work.
He's got a lawsuit against SnF going on right now over his being banned from the
show. I guess jaun thinks zooms not banned so then why the lawsuit? Talk about
clueless.

Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret

"zoom can fool most of the people some of the time,some of the people none of
the time and jaun all of the time"   anon


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" <[email]> wrote in message
news:I3U9e.28947$d43.19193@lakeread03...

You're right, you weren't, much as you tried.

That's your reaction to that, dannyboy, not mine. Did you think we wouldn't
find out how much you like to hang out in rec.nudism? <chuckle>

Juan


author: Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Ron Wanttaja wrote:

I must have missed something, what's his beef with Powrachute?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Ron Wanttaja wrote:

Egads, this guy should be locked up.

Tony


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Ron Wanttaja wrote:

Has he ever actually admitted fault for his losing jobs and false
claims? Just how many types is certified in now?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


author: UltraJohn

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Corky Scott wrote:

Naw Corky I'm giving you a run for your money! I've been working on my KR-2
for 13 years so far and am at least .05% done!
John


author: Robert Yoder

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Truly amazing!
I don't read RAH for years, but when I do, people are *still*
being zoomed, lawsuits are *still* being filed, and RAH *still*
has postings with "zoom" in the subject line!

ry (I got zoomed before it was stylish)


author: Dave Hyde

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
John Ousterhout wrote...
pocket
6" SS
quickly

He was talking about his *shirt* pocket.

Dave 'TMI' Hyde
[email]


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:
I'll post them of you want, but they don't prove what you say other than
someone appears to be interviewing him. There's nothing there showing
what year it was.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


author: John T

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Just cause the news crews were at the press booth doesn't mean they were
covering campbell. Just getting their credentials, more like.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Steve Foley wrote:

Read the transcript of the 1980 NTSB hearing (Document se-4661) where
Zoom lost his Medical for his "mental illness".  Compare testimony with
some of his current statements and behavior.
http://www.ousterhout.net/zoom/se-4661.html

The Jim "Captain Zoom" Campbell Story: http://www.ousterhout.net/zoom.html

- John Ousterhout -
rah-14, still united


author: Juan Jimenez

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

And it says a lot about you that you don't mention that Kevin is a regular
writer for ANN and continues year after year to do the same, in spite of all
your BS.

Such as the fact that John also continues to write for ANN, and has a high
regard for Jim?

Now why does that not surprise me about you? :)

And yet many times more others write on a daily basis to ANN praising the
publication for its content. You'd be surprised of the people who write.
There are some who will be VERY surprised, very soon, to hear who supports
ANN in a major way.

And year after year it fails to make the slightest dent in ANN's continued
growth and success. But what the hell, you like to bang your head against
the wall, go right ahead. :)

One guess.

Pot, kettle, black, coming from someone who openly admitted in this very
forum that you started this by attacking me on the newsgroup without
provocation and without any other reason other than I said I had begun
writing for ANN.

You're nothing more than a two-bit, two-faced lying hypocrit, Chuck, and
nothing you say or do will ever change that. And _that_ is something _I_
will never stop reminding everyone of. Get used to it.

Juan


author: Morgans

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote
thread
constantly
side of
you'd be
dialog
may

All good points.  There are many, among the movers and shakers in the
aviation industry, that need to know the pitfalls of being zoomed.  They
should continue to read and learn, and not ignore the zoom threads.

There are others, like myself, that are not among the movers and shakers
(for now - I might have an ace up my sleeve for a future day ;-)...), that
continue to read, just because.. it's good entertainment, or... or...
whatever!

There are others that care not of zoom, or yaun, and who feel that the zoom
threads are an annoyance to their enjoyment of this newsgroup.  They should
use the zoom subject as a kill filter, and read not.  That was the reason
for one of my posts in this thread; to tell Stuart to filter, and others,
that feel the need to complain, that don't want to learn and be warned.

Clear enough, everyone? :-)


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"John Ammeter" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

That's because you can't read. Not my problem.

And yet ANN has exactly the opposite policy. Yeah, right.

I have a better idea... why don't you get a life and find something positive
to do with your time rather than waste it throwing pebbles at the cinder
block wall? NOBODY listens to you or the RAH Gaggle that means anything in
the aviation news industry, John. N-O-B-O-D-Y. Get over it, get on with your
life and stop defending the indefensible.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
sleepy6 wrote:

Obviously you misunderstood what those pictures actually represent. It
seems there was an expected civil disturbance at the local Hardee's and
the police went to SnF to ask zoom's advice where upon he offered to go
take charge of the situation. The fact that no such disturbance ensued
is proof that, once again, zoom is an indespensible asset to the community.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <EHmde.171446$[email]>, sleepy6
says...

Those don't count in jauns mind because it wrecks his premise that I never had a
face to face with zoom. Fact is I had quite a few .The year the zoom un-wanted
posters went up at SnF zoom was running around telling people (me included) that
the FBI had sent special agents to the show to investigate and that they had
latent fingerprints from the posters. And that who ever did it should confess
now and recieve a lesser penalty.

He asked me who I thought had done it. I said did you piss anybody off in the
last few years? Fact is there were a ton of people who could have done it.

In another face to face I told him he lied in his article on the Hawk where he
said he looped rolled and spun the Hawk . A group of about 5 or 6 of us watched
his entire flight and there were no loops, rolls and spins.Terry Fuller our test
pilot did in fact do some loops and wingovers that zoom saw in a previous
flight. He looked me square in the eye and said "If I wrote it I did it" .He
obviously believes his own BS. Just shows that jaun is wrong again....


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:
He didn't sue me, I didn't buy a subscription so why should I sue, Putz?


author: Kyle Boatright

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Juan Jimenez" <[email]> wrote in message
news:c68e2$426fe183$4117fdc2$[email]...

Kinda pointless suing someone who barely has two nickles to rub together,
ain't it?


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
The pot calling the kettle black. How quaint.

"Ron Natalie" <[email]> wrote in message
news:4270e6cd$0$5834$[email]...


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <426e2a5e$0$5825$[email]>, Ron Natalie says...
Two, when he chooses to be, the man is quite charming

I've said that for a long time but the guys his own worst enemy and he believes
his own hype.He's a joke in the industry and among his peers, he went from
having a fairly sucessful magazine and ended up with a nickle and dime web site.
Sadly he's hurt a lot of people in the process.

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

I also go to ham radio groups too. I got out of ham in 1972. I also go
to rec.aviation.military and I retired in 1994. As far as going to
rec.nudism does it mean I try to get attention as you say? It's quite a
stretch.

I know you are an immature boy who gets his jollies by being annoying,
but it won't work with me.

BTW, I notice you still haven't thanked me fot posting your pictures as
you requested. I won't hold my breath since you aren't man enogh to do so.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Anthony W wrote:

Hey, I don't want my tax dollars paying for his room and board. Then
again I'd like to see the look on his face when he meets his new cell
mate who hasn't seen a female in years. Ain't love grand?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:33:49 GMT, "LCT Paintball"
<[email]> wrote:

The wings are complete to the point where I'm ready to install the
fuel tanks.  The fuselage is complete to the point where I'm ready to
install the engine.  The problem with this is that I still need to
weld on some stand offs for the stringers that will define the belly.
Because the exhaust and the Piper Tripacer landing gear need to be
integrated, I have to move slowly and carefully there.  So I'll be
refining the engine and testing it this summer and installing the fuel
tanks.  Then when the engine is tested, I'll install it and finish the
belly.

One of my "tricks" I need to think about is how to route the exhaust
through the bottom of the firewall.  The plan is to have the exhaust
system augment the cooling.  It's going to take a while to figure
things out.

Corky Scott


author: Highflyer

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"UltraJohn" <[email]> wrote in message
news:AzC9e.12836$[email]...

I have a Pietenpol on the gear and ready to build the wings.  I started it
in 1967.  If I don't get it finished pretty soon we will both be "antiques"
before it flies! :-)

Highflyer


author: ChuckSlusarczyk

subject: Re: Zoomzzzzzz

text:
In article <[email]>, Robert Yoder says...

Hi Bob

Just goes to show why we have to keep exposing the zoomster for what he is a
Phoney. And that's an opinion and fact..he ain't changed a bit :-) Maybe it's
time for a "I've been zoomed and survived " reunion or maybe a listing of names
of those who have been zoomed.Would read like a who's who of Homebuilt aviation
LOL!! The list is long and illustrious :-)

Nice to hear from you.

See ya
Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Robert Yoder wrote:

Just felt the need to beat the Christmas rush?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Dave Hyde wrote:

Um...Dave, John.....is there something you aren't telling us?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
As I expected, your word isn't worth the nanoamperes used to transmit them.
Didn't your daddy teach you that a man is only as good as his word? That
ought to tell you what yours is worth. No one cares what you think the
pictures say or don't say, Dannyboy. All the events were independently
verified and reported in the general media and your opinion of them or the
pics is irrelevant, just like just about everything else that comes out of
your typing.

Get over it.

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" <[email]> wrote in message
news:5uT8e.25681$d43.4823@lakeread03...


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
John T wrote:

Just as likely they had no idea who zoom was.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
check the pictures before talking about something of which you know
nothing...

"John T" <[email]> wrote in message
news:NTS8e.69$[email]...


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <47ee7$427fd212$4117d216$[email]>, Juan Jimenez says...

Yawn....

http://www.ousterhout.net/

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"zoom can fool most of the people some of the time,some of the people none of
the time and jaun all of the time"   chuck s


subject: Re: ZoomZZZZZZZ

text:
In article <wcYde.9151$[email]>, Morgans says...

Good points as well Jim and appreciated.

See ya

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <eQnde.3343$aB.2874@lakeread03>, [email] says...

That sounds like the version that would get reported in ANN:)


author: Tim Ward

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
sleepy6
had a
un-wanted
included) that
had
confess
<snip>

What was the charge going to be? Felony satire?

Tim Ward


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Jerry Springer" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

yet another big talker falls off the side of the boat....


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Kyle Boatright" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

That's probably the reason no one sues you, ain't it?


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Kyle Boatright wrote:

Well, you could try selling zoom for what he think's he's worth. Since
yawn is firmly attached to zoom's backside you can throw him in for free.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" <[email]> wrote in message
news:_pdae.29034$d43.9494@lakeread03...

Your last post in rec.nude was today. Wrong answer.

Is it? :)

Oh, I'm sure you think you know a lot of things. Reality's a bit different.

I didn't ask you to do anything, dannyboy. That was your idea, not mine. Get
over it.

Juan


subject: Re: Zoomzzzzzz

text:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Shucks, you old chicken thief!  We do that every May at Pinckneyville!  Only
two weeks away now.  May 20, 21, and 22 this year.  The 107th annual rah
flyin. :-)

Highflyer


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <GB%ae.16703$[email]>, Morgans says...

The point is, there's no point on kielbasa don't you remember the old saying
"you can lead kielbasa to the plate but a "pencil" must be pointed". :-)

Anyway that could be the point ...or might be ,,,or not.

See ya
Chuck (the pierogi Kid) S


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

Yawn, I was just giving you a chance to change your mind. I posted them
in A.B.P.A if you care to look. I'll let other people decide what they
actually show.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


author: Cy Galley

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Boy that IS good advise! Why don't you try it sometime!

"Juan Jimenez" <[email]> wrote in message
news:97281$426421b6$40eda7b0$[email]...


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

<flashlight>

As I suspected, just like 7-Up, never had it, never will, no thing more than
empty space. Dork. :)


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
sleepy6 wrote:

The truly frightening part is I learned how to write like that in the
Air Force.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:
Amazes me how every time you post you show just that much more how big
of an idiot you are.


author: Anthony W

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

It must be hard to type with Zoom's hand up your ass.

Tony


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" <[email]> wrote in message
news:vKXbe.73$xY3.6@lakeread03...

Which leaves us somewhat short of the aforementioned two nickles...

KB


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

Now you are being deliberately ignorant. My last post to R.A.M. was
today too.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoomzzzzzz

text:
In article <d5epgv$rf2$[email]>, Highflyer says...

Hi John
P'ville was the site of my 2nd greatest chicken raid. I must admit that the
chicken was better there then the stuff I got at zooms party. So far I still
coming so hide the chickens LOL!!

See ya

Chuck( el Pollo Loco) S


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

Chuck, I am beginning to worry about you.

"Life is like a mug of beer, once the head is gone the rest is flat" -
Sgt. Carter

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <CPX8e.25696$d43.10782@lakeread03>, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired says

Hey Dan,

Yawn said:

Hmm ...not banned? No Press credientials were provided so he had to take
advantage of a bungle in the ticket office to buy a ticket and get in ,then he
stayed long enough to get some photos and beat feet before the cops came. Sounds
like he knew he wasn't a VIP at SNF. Oh the dashing young Dr Campbell is now a
fearless investigative reporter ,Oops, I mean kinda fearless ,ah...maybe a bit
fearful, well actually he's a coward, but he investigates err sorta
investigates...ah in reality he mostly fabricates his reporting. Did I mention
that this is all in my own humble opinion? :-)

I bet he would if jaun would send them to John or better yet send them to me
LOL!!I'll make sure the Judge that did the papers gets them :-)

If he's not banned then why didn't he show up at SnF??

Chuck S RAH 15/1 ret oops I mean RAH 14/1 ret


author: Matt Whiting

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

Dork, well at last an honest signature finally!  :-)

Matt


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Byxde.4948$aB.3751@lakeread03...

I can tell. They forgot to teach you how to use a spell checker.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Jerry Springer wrote:

Actually yawn is short.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Jerry Springer" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

After all this time, Jerry, you still think I care what you think about me?
Does it really take years for you to take a hint?


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Anthony W" <[email]> wrote in message
news:M3tce.375$7K.98@trnddc06...

Wouldn't know. But you seem to be the expert, why don't you tell us about
it?


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Kyle Boatright wrote:
I beg to differ, zoom thinks he's important,I bet you could get a whol3
dollar for him if you sell him for what he thinks he's worth.

Does e-bay allow selling of people?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" <[email]> wrote in message
news:WWdae.29042$d43.15059@lakeread03...

You're the one in the hole, not me. You just keep diggin', keep yourself
busy. And do try to get over it. :)


subject: Re: Zoomzzzzzz

text:
ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

Y'know, Chuck, I never would have you pegged as s chicken plucker. Do
you really get into it to are you just doing sympathy plucks?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


author: Roger

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:01:34 -0500, "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired"
<[email]> wrote:

He's been "Zoomed" far too many times. <:-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Wrong again, as usual. He was told he would not be given press credentials
and could buy a ticket to get in like everyone else. It's all documented,
the general media took pictures, video and wrote about the entire incident.

Wrong yet again. He went all over the show, and I was with him. We all
thoroughly enjoyed the reaction of people at the show when he would show up
at booths and display areas.

You still haven't figured out how to shut your trap when you don't have a
clue. Figures.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
Chuck, what's a good e-mail address to send you the pictures yawn sent me?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


author: Rich S.

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Matt Whiting" <[email]> wrote in message
news:n4vge.2340$[email]...

Ah, Young Whiting. You underestimate the power of the Dork Side. . .

Rich S.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <n4vge.2340$[email]>, Matt Whiting says...

Hey Matt I'm glad I wasn't the only one to see jaun be honest about something
for a change even if he didn't realize it LOL!!

See ya

Chuck S


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

If you didn't care you wouldn't respond.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

You don't care about what anyone here posts about you and we feel
likewise, so why do you keep posting here?

Matt


author: CJ

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Juan Jimenez" <[email]> wrote in message
news:9e2a3$4272ecdb$4117fdc2$[email]...

Well, this is a classic.  An intelligent fuckwad would ignore the insult  An
average fuckwad says, "Wouldn't know...".  Juan,  connect the dots!  Anthony
was insulting you!  You graced his insult with, "Wouldn't know".  I think I
speak for many hundreds of people who evaluate you as an avergage fuckwad on
your best day.  Poll?

- cj


author: Darrel Toepfer

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:

Neither whole or parted out...


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <[email]>, Roger says...

Got that right "we" have been zoomed for a long time LOL!!

See ya
Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"there are those who have been zoomed,those who will be zoomed and those too
 dumb to know they've been zoomed" anon


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

You really enjoy the "look what idiot showed up" reaction?  :-)

Matt


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <cfa18$4266d27a$4117ff5d$[email]>, Juan Jimenez says...

Hmmm I wonder why? Why couldn't a famous (in his mind) reporter get Press
Credientials at an Air Show where anyone with even a remote Press connection
gets them? I think maybe it was because he was banned from the show?

Who told him that ? Bill Eickoff, John Burton,Patrick Slay ? Or was it a low
level Snafu by people who were not aware of the zoom situation ? Were they aware
they would have called security. They didn't know who zoom was and handled it
as if he were some one who just walked off the street and asked for Press
Credientials.
Why didn't he just buy a ticket this year and pay me a visit ?

I'm soon to get the photos but what general media wrote about the incident and
when was it published? Documents ? oh good lets see them ,or is this the
typical ANN ploy where your the general media and wrote about it on Ann ?

Maybe so but you didn't go where anyone knew him .Only one person told me that
he saw zoom but it was a day later.Had I seen him I would have had security
there in a minute.

Whose booths? What display areas? Names please . Why didn't you and zoom show up
at "my" booth so you could "throughly enjoy" "my" reaction? Why didn't you stop
at Paradise city and talk to Dave Piper or Chaz or Wayne Thomas??? You bought a
ticket.. Fact is you went to safe places where you were unknown and
people didn't know zoom would be arrested if caught.

Not true ,if anyone is clueless around here it's not me ..I don't believe zoom
was ever a test pilot ,a father,an Etheopian food relief pilot,Doctor,high time
pilot ,etc., etc....but you do.

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"zoom can fool most the people some of the time ,some of the people none of the
time,and jaun all of the time"    anon


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Rich S." <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

No he doesn't, like every whiting that ever lived, he too got hooked by his
dork side and wound up frozen and worthless in some nameless supermarket. :)


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Simple minds, so easily entertained. Here, chew on this wire while I plug it
in. <chuckle>


author: Frank van der Hulst

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:

Please! Please! Take the hint. DO NOT RESPOND.

NO-ONE (not Juan, Dan, or Jerry) CARES. REALLY!


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" <[email]> wrote in message
news:f5Cce.154$aB.23@lakeread03...

Look in the mirror, and get over it, willya? <chuckle>


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <RuKce.1619$[email]>, Matt Whiting says...

Because in order to earn brownie points with zoom he must keep defending
his hero.zoom lacks the testicular fortitude to defend himself here or on any
other forum so his lackey jaun tries to do it for him.

zoom could end all of this by providing proof  that what many of say about him
is false. I'm prepared to prove that anything I say I have proof for.For
example, if I say zoom claimed to have flown food relief missions in Ethiopia.I
have a copy of his magazine where he made the claim. I also know 2 of the
pilot's who actually flew those missions. One of them is a RAH-14 member and has
the log books to prove it.

For years he has harmed people with threats of lawsuits and damaged reputations
with his half truth innuendos and got away with it. He needs to be periodically
exposed so that other uninformed people don't get taken in by "young Dr
Campbell"s charm".

It would be a different thing if he apologized ,changed his ways and is now
doing what any of us trys to do.But that's not the case he's still billing
people for ads they didn't want and sueing them among other things.

Some say just ignore him he'll go away.But the fact is he is still doing to
people what he did 10 years ago. The 2 recent lawsuits against former
advertizers are proof of that, nothing's changed. I'm sure neither one of them
were aware of his past or tactics until they got threatened. I bet they wish now
that someone would have warned them.

If you bury your head in the sand when dealing with zoom he'll kick you in the
butt.

I had aother long talk with his former editor Tim Kerns at SnF and believe me
nothings changed in the way zoom does people. I can't wait till it's jauns
turn.  LOL!!

ChuckS RAH-14/1 ret

"zoom can fool most of the people some of the time,some of the people none of
the time & jaun all of the time"   anon


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Matt Whiting" <[email]> wrote in message
news:RuKce.1619$[email]...

To watch puppets like you fall all over yourselves. It's cheap
entertainment. I yank the chain, the RAH gaggle does the clown act. :)


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
CJ wrote:

His reply didn't make it back to my server.  The reason I and the rest
of us here are experts on this, is that we can plainly see the effects
of Zoom's hand up juan's ass.

Tony


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"CJ" <[email]> wrote in message news:WYZce.26968$[email]...

What would you know about intelligence? You see, if you were the owner of a
IQ in anything over two digits you'd figure out that 1) Anthony doesn't have
the brainmass to figure out how to put together a decent insult, let alone
one that deserves a response at his level, and 2) there aren't enough people
at your level of idiocy for you to claim that you speak for "hundreds". Now,
it may be the case that you're suffering from multiple personality disorder,
in which case, all I can say is that y'all need help with this personal
problem of yours. Any questions? One at a time, please. <rofl>


author: Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Darrel Toepfer wrote:

Guess I gotta work on my theory a bit more.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Matt Whiting wrote:

More like "look what the cat dragged in."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Matt Whiting" <[email]> wrote in message
news:ikC9e.1358$[email]...

Yes, the few times we ran into you and saw you trying to impress people with
your ignorance. *8)


author: Barnyard BOb -

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
==========================================

YEAAAAAAH...
Best zinger of the month.   :o)

Barnyard BOb -

The more people I meet,
the more I love my dog....
and Chuck S sense of humor.


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

If I have to explain it to you, you won't understand it anyway. <chuckle>

The staff at the press credentials at the booth, after talking to HQ on the
radio. Even you should be able to figure that out. Then again, maybe not...

That's for you to do the research. i'm sure you can get one of your
brownnosers to find that out for you on the internet. :)

But tell you what, I'll take pity on your ignorance this time and start you
off in the general direction. <chuckle>

http://search.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20040416&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=404160391&Ref=AR

Better yet, ask your buddy Ousterhout to look that up for you, he posted it
right here on April 17, 2004. <roflmao!>

Bwaahahahaha! Now there's an idiotic statement if there ever was one. One
thing I can guarantee you, Chuck, is that the number of exhibitors and
visitors at SNF that know Jim is much, MUCH larger than the ones who know
you, kiddo. Sorry to burst your bubble. Kleenex are to your left.//

Awwww. poor baby, you miffed you missed the fun? Don't worry, dannyboy will
send you the pictures. :P

Unhuh. Sure. :)

Look, putz, I think you're confusing me with someone who gives a shit if you
know what booths, what areas and what names. Shall I spell that out for you?
Go ask them yourself. Oh, wait, I forgot, many of those didn't go this year,
and many won't come next year because they only saw 1/3 as many people as
last year. I wonder why? Maybe you can ask your buddy Hognose to list the
booths, areas and names for you, since he was there too, as you can see from
the pics. Poor Hognose screwed up one of his legs on a jump and had to do
the entire show on one of those electric scooters. Oh, wait, Kevin is also
on your worthless shitlist? That's too bad. Ask John Ballantyne then. Pick a
name, any name! <chuckle>

Because you didn't rate the privilege, clueless. If you had a single neuron
left between your ears you would have figured that out for yourself...


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

Don't quit your day job ... if you have one.

Matt


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Frank van der Hulst wrote:

I care deeply, really I do. I care so deeply....wait, what is it I care
about?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

...sez the spineless one who's so afraid of Zoom he won't come within 1000
feet of the ANN trailer and will run to the toilet and hide in the bowl at
the sight of "ANN" on his caller ID. :)

Which just goes to say nothing's changed in your pathological lying ways,
boy. Hell, you can't even tell a straight lie about Zoom taking photos of
you. That's why you'll always be nothing more than a spineless putz.
<chuckle>


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

Except that you've never run into me.

Matt


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <[email]>, Barnyard BOb - says...

Hi Unka Bob
Coming from you that's a true compliment that I most thankfully accept. Your
"best zinger of the month" award has way more value then even zoomys "bozo of
the show" awards.LOL!!!

Maybe see ya at P'ville

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <c434d$426802c0$4117ff5d$[email]>, Juan Jimenez says...

Privilege?? You were both to cowardly to let me see zoom because you both know
I would have called security and had him booted out again.You both knew he was
there illegally and the only reason he got in was a snafu.

Chuck (never been kicked out of an Airshow) S RAH-14/1 ret


author: John T

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Y'know Juan, I noticed that the emotions in your messages (chuckle,
roflmao) are kinda....oddly placed. Almost forced. Or maybe more like an
automatic reaction type thing. Just out of place for whatever you've
just said.
In fact, I think you're the only one who's used <chuckle> constantly in
messages...

Maybe switching to emoticons...

John


author: Juan Jimenez

subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Matt Whiting" <[email]> wrote in message
news:nr_he.2462$[email]...

Speaking from experience? Told you to say at the day care center and
continue receiving preferred customer treatment. :)


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <54ce2$4273febb$4117fdc2$[email]>, Juan Jimenez says...

Hmm haven't seen you near my tent either so I guess your "spineless " like me.
So do you do the toilet thing too??? LOL!!!

Spineless Putz ? That's  coming from a guy who won't test fly the BD-4 1/2  he
built. Therefore if I'm a spinless putz and I test flew all my designs then I
guess your even lower then a "spineless putz" ROFL!!! Yes sirre bob you and zoom
are both cases of all sizzle and no bacon.True aviation heros!!...NOT!!

Chuck(see ya at Oshkosh) S RAH-14/1 ret


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"Matt Whiting" <[email]> wrote in message
news:FKU9e.1371$[email]...

How would you know? :)

Juan


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Sure, clueless, you keep believing that. Take it to the pharmacy, maybe
they'll give you something for it. <chuckle>

Speaking of cowards, when are you going to grow some gonads and come visit
the ANN trailer? Oh, wait, I forgot, that white stripe on your back is
nailed to your booth... hahahaha!


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

How quickly you've forgotten that you don't rate the privilege. Alzheimer's
already? *8)

Ah, but in my case, ye spineless one, I will have the opportunity to do so,
whereas in your case, you can only wish for the opportunity, because you
will never, ever have the chance to fly something the likes of which I own.
That I can guarantee to you, in writing, stapled to that stripe on your
back. <chuckle>


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <63733$426c6139$4117fdc2$[email]>, Juan Jimenez says...

Just answer the question why didn't zoom get a Press pass? Where did he get the
one he was wearing in the picture?

I'll be there during Oshkosh. Unless it's locked ...again.

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
Chuck, if you do wanna visit zoom and juan, I'll go with ya. I'd like to
see what these guys look like!
You don't know me, but I've seen you several times at your Oshkosh
booth...always busy!

John


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Growing dumber in your old age. That's been explained ad-nauseum already.
Read, or get one of your gagglers to explain it to you again.

Try borrowing some balls that don't shrink and disappear when the sun comes
out. <rofl!>


subject: Re: Zoom

text:
In article <489be.7141$[email]>, John T says...

Hi John
Next time stop by and say Hi.Sounds like a plan that way I have a witness LOL!!!
See ya at Oshkosh..

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret.


author: Daniel Gregory Parker

subject: PO_MUD!!!!!!!!!!

text:
Hi ya!

  ***********                             **
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  **        **                            **
  ***********     **********              **
  **             **        **             **
  **             **        **
  **             **        **             **
  **              **********              **

  Dear MUdder_s.

  Someone posted a message on po mud, and our site at umich.

  Well, believe or not, we do have permission from the sysops,
  and we are here to stay.  So if you already player Po_mud,
  go right on ahead and get attached to your charaters.

  *smile*

  Even if we get booted from umich., we do have a back up
  site ready to be used.  So make a note of it, we ain't
  going anywhere.

  We are gonna stay for a longgggggg time!!!

  hehe.

  Butter -------> the nice god of Po_mud.!

  Po_mud!   po.engin.umich.edu 6666.

  danke!


author: Jackie F. Russell

subject: Re: PO_MUD!!!!!!!!!!

text:
This is not to start any type of flame war or anything, but i think
the majority of the readers here will agree, that one address posting
for a new mud is enough, but when we have to read the same address
10 times, it gets a little irritating.

Come on guys, everyone thats gonna read it read it the first time
you posted.

Brut


author: Kevin Delgado

subject: Re: PO_MUD!!!!!!!!!!

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Jackie F. Russell) writes:

Yur, jez jealous! ;)

Kevin (Terror)

p.s. Once again, that address is po.engin.umich.edu 6666

*cackle*
*strut*
*bounce*
*flip*
*wiggle*


subject: Re: PO_MUD!!!!!!!!!!

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Kevin Delgado) writes:
    ^
dunno how dat got dere....stupid fuckin keyboards in this lab!,; alw@ays
putting' extr)a char#&ters in. :)

Kevin (still wigglin' dammit!)


author: bob E

subject: Re: Alumni  Spectacular

text:
Who won ?????
Who placed second and third ??

Gee this is just like DCI


author: Jimbalaya

subject: Re: Alumni Spectacular

text:
Ouuuuccchhhhh!!!!!!! Tears on my pillow, pain in my heart caused by
Foooo...ooo.oooo
and we thought we were having such a great time in Miami......

Siglow wrote:


subject: Re: Alumni Spectacular

text:
Ken Norman wrote:

......LOLOLOL.........a zinger Ken........brought back
nightmares.....LOLOL

Jim C


author: Siglow

subject: Re: Alumni Spectacular

text:
Or does the name Philly Mafoos (sp) strick a familiar note? :-)

Siglow

Jimbalaya wrote:


author: Skycabs

subject: Re: Alumni  Spectacular

text:
They are going to use the Florida system...hanging chads. Toooo bad the
corps called Bush isn't in it. It would win thanks to Katherine Harris.
"bob E" <[email]> wrote in message
news:uIrGg.153$[email]...


subject: Re: Alumni Spectacular

text:
Sound like the same thing DCI said ----   now you get to see the same
corps each year .
May the most hype win .
Bob H wrote:


author: Ken Norman

subject: Re: Alumni Spectacular

text:
"Sounds like the same thing DCI said"

Naw, the credit goes to the VFW's Tony Schlecta.

      "They're ALL winners !!!"


author: Rob Perkins

subject: Items for the Rick Biggs Memorial Fund

text:
Hi,

I have two items I'd like to place for sale, with the intent to donate
all proceeds to Jan's memorial fund for Richard Biggs' kids.

The first is a pewter miniature kit of the Station, (Agents of Gaming
item BW-205) which is only partially assembled and is in fair
condition. If you already have the kit you might use this for spare
parts.

The second is the 2nd Edition of Babylon 5 Wars, from Agents of
Gaming, containing the rulebook, ship control sheets for Earth,
Centauri, Narn, and Minbari ships in that game, one set of the game
dice, two full color countersheets, and 1 misc countersheet. The box
also contains 12 unpainted pewter miniatures of some Centauri and Narn
fighter craft.

The sale will work like this:

1 -- If you're interested, e-mail me an offer price.
2 -- Once we're agreed on a price, I will hold the item for you.
3 -- To pay for the item, donate the agreed-upon price to Jan's
Richard Biggs Memorial, using PayPal, to [email]
4 -- Jan will confirm payment to me, and upon confirmation I will mail
the item directly to you. You should put your address and other
information in an email to me *and* in the PayPal notes to Jan.

Please send your reply to my email, rather than the newsgroup, though
I'll answer detailed questions about the items on the newsgroup, of
course.

Sale closes on September 30!

Rob


subject: Re: Items for the Rick Biggs Memorial Fund

text:
[email] (Jan) wrote:

So did I! I attempted to post it using my "usual" address
([email]) four times, but nothing has been getting
through on that address. I started to wonder if it smelled bad or
something, but then figured that Jay's software probably had my addy
in the "authenticated" list, but that the DB crash had done...
things... to it.

So, I took one of my gmail invitations and made me *this* address. I
am the same person. And once reauthenticated with Jay&Cheryl, and with
Agent reconfigured, I'm lucid again, here. :-)

(And, no, I wasn't bright enough to write them directly and ask about
it. That simple step didn't dawn on me until after I had changed my
config to this new addy. Sorry, Jay & Cheryl!)

Check.

Rob


author: Jan

text:
Wow, Rob, I was beginning to think that this was lost in the ether.

One minor correction - it's not MY memorial fund, just a PayPal account I
started to collect funds for the real memorial fund.

But yes, folks, Rob and I have discussed this.  He's even donating the postage
so keep that in mind when you make your offers.

Thanks Rob and everybody!

Jan
Check out http://rbiggsmemorial.starstuff.co.uk/ for a chance to win wonderful
Babylon 5 Prize Packages and benefit the children of Richard Biggs.


text:
Rob Perkins <[email]> wrote:

The sale will extend until October 7, since I wasn't able to see the
OP until early today.

Rob (please note the change in address)


author: James

subject: Skiing and Snowboarding Website

text:
Check out http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/yuko/ski/
for lots of pictures of skiing and snowboarding, maps, are more


author: Praetorian

subject: Re: New millennium

text:
Spatch said: Lets quit being anal and celebrate 12-31-1999

Whazzat mean ... exactly?  Or, er ... is being exact too 'anal' for you?


author: "Hyattian Flu"

subject: Bruce Moreland luvs Dr. Hyatt

text:
At the moderator's philosophy page here:

http://www.icdchess.com/ccc/resource/moderators/moreland.html

Bruiser Moreland states:

"If elected I will be pretty tolerant of crazy things said by Thorsten Czub,
and I won't support kicking out Bob Hyatt even if he gets into a fight with
a few dozen people (including me) simultaneously."

Yet more confirmation of a double standard at CCCage !

Regards,

Hyattian Flu


author: SuneF

subject: Re: Bruce Moreland luvs Dr. Hyatt

text:
How is this relevant to computer chess?
This is spam is it not?

This NG really needs to be cleaned up, I see many personal attacks.

It is hard to believe this NG even has a moderator,
they are certainly not very good at their job.

Someone make me a moderator, and I'll delete all these spam postings at once!

Cheers,
Sune Fischer

"Hyattian Flu" <chessboa[nospam]@anonymous.to> wrote in message news:Uxcd7.41130$[email]...


author: Jeroen ;-}

subject: Re: Bruce Moreland luvs Dr. Hyatt

text:
spam postings at once!

Start your good deeds with stopping spamming yourself:
start with *not* quoting Sean's drivel in your response.

J.


subject: Re: Bruce Moreland luvs Dr. Hyatt

text:
May be I will delete YOU

"SuneF" <[email]> wrote in message
news:9l5u56$r2b$[email]...
once!
news:Uxcd7.41130$[email]...
Czub,
with


author: Robert E Green

subject: Re: Bruce Moreland luvs Dr. Hyatt

text:
In article <9l5u56$r2b$[email]>,
	"SuneF" <[email]> wrote:

I am unclear what CCCage is as referenced below.  Is this an adjunct to this news group?

I personally find both Mr. Moreland and Dr. Hyatt's comments here to be very useful and appreciate their input.

Thank you

Bob Green


author: Robert Hyatt

subject: Re: Bruce Moreland luvs Dr. Hyatt

text:
SuneF <[email]> wrote:

This newsgroup is _not_ moderated, which is the problem.  It allows a
couple of people to behave like a couple of dozen people, and wreck
havoc on an otherwise useful communication facility.


subject: Re: Bruce Moreland luvs Dr. Hyatt

text:
"Jeroen ;-}" <[email]> wrote in message news:9l6mhq$2s7s2$[email]...

At the very least they should learn to put [OT] or [off-topic] in the subject line
(so they can be caught by the filters).
This is considered good newsgroup behavior everywere.

-S.


subject: Re: Bruce Moreland luvs Dr. Hyatt

text:
"Hyattian Flu" <chessboa[nospam]@anonymous.to> wrote in message news:3Nvd7.46539$[email]...

I hate trolls.


author: Bruce Moreland

subject: Re: Bruce Moreland luvs Dr. Hyatt

text:
http://www.icdchess.com/signup.shtml

That is the signup page for CCC.  CCC was founded in 1997 after a bunch of
regulars here got sick of dealing with some people who still plague this
group.

CCC is a moderated forum.  At any given time it is moderated by three
members, who were chosen via general election.

The group is pretty active, and sometimes we have good discussions.  Because
you have to sign up before you can read, I don't think we have as many
readers as r.g.c.c., but we get a lot.  In the past five months or so we've
gotten over 700 signups.

Since the group is moderated, some of the really bad posts are simply
deleted, and if someone goes berserk they get kicked out.

I am a moderator of CCC.  Before the last election was held, moderator
candidates were asked to submit a statement:

http://www.icdchess.com/ccc/resource/moderators/index.html

Sean is quoting from my statement:

http://www.icdchess.com/ccc/resource/moderators/moreland.html

As you can see it isn't taken out of context.

In the past, there has been a great deal of controversy surrounding a few
members.  After dealing with that for a total of a year, I got tired of it,
and decided say up front how I'd handle future problems.  I got tired of
dealing with people who don't like these people and who might make a mission
out of getting them kicked out.

Note that I don't say that I won't give anyone else similar consideration.

bruce

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subject: Re: Bruce Moreland luvs Dr. Hyatt

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Yes, and the above is the worst of them all


subject: Re: Bruce Moreland luvs Dr. Hyatt

text:
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What you have done is give Hyatt Carte Blanche to do anything he wants !

Yet more confirmation of a double standard.


author: Cracker Jack

subject: Re: Bruce Moreland luvs Dr. Hyatt

text:
"Bruce Moreland" <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

695 of these signups are aliases of C.W.


author: Russell

subject: Re: Bruce Moreland luvs Dr. Hyatt

text:
Oh yes.  Look at that horrible post that he just posted.  He said that this
newsgroup isn't moderated.  Oh my!  What a troll!

But seriously, what is involved in getting this ng moderated? Or starting
another and getting it moderated?


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author: James Cummiskey

subject: KLGB Tower Trip Report (LONG)

text:
I had an opportunity today to visit an FAA Tower facility for the first time
per AIM 4-1-6.  What a valuable experience!  If you haven't had a chance to
do this, I recommend it (in fact, I think this should be a mandatory lesson
as part of the Private curriculum).

Although I fly principally out of KSNA, the tower there is undergoing
renovations (hence, it won't be available for tours until the end of
Summer).  I chose Long Beach both because of its proximity, and the fact it
has one of the most convoluted runway layouts of any airport I've flown to
(http://data.aopa2.org/airport/diagram.cfm?identifier=LGB).  Indeed,
according to the controllers I spoke with, KLGB is #8 nationwide on the
incursion list.

The folks at the tower were extremely friendly.  I arrived during a shift
change, and the camaraderie and kidding that went on among the controllers
reminded me a lot of the military culture.  Lots of gallows humor and
ball-breaking going on, but still conducted in a very friendly and
professional manner.   Seems like a fun place to work.   The Tower
Supervisor, Tito, was very courteous and knowledgeable--he had over twenty
years of experience..  He graciously invited all pilots to come down and
check things out (bring donuts for the controllers and you'll probably
receive priority on your next clearance <g>).  You need to call first for
reservations.

If you haven't checked out a tower before, it's a great opportunity to see
things from another perspective, and help demystify the whole ATC process.
I learned quite a bit.  Here's some of the highlights I thought some might
find interesting:

* According to Tito, most towers generally have all the controllers in a
single room (although there are exceptions like KPSP).  The controllers
rotate to different positions throughout the day (working a maximum of two
hours before a mandated break).  The positions at KLGB (which are pretty
typical) include:  "Flight Data," "Clearance Delivery," "Ground Control,"
"Local Control" (what pilots call "Tower"--at KLGB there are two tower
controllers; hence, "Local Control 1" and "Local Control 2," "Cab
Coordinator," and the "Tower Supervisor."

* The "Flight Data" position monitors the ATIS feed from ASOS, and talks to
various external weather sources.  He is responsible for distributing the
official weather to all the other positions.

* The "Clearance Delivery" position receives IFR clearances on strips of
paper fed from an automated machine connected to the FSS or ARTCC.
Interestingly, about 65% of IFR clearances are modified from what the pilot
requested on his flight plan.  Because of the complexity of the runways,
KLGB (although only Class D) also requires VFR pilots to call Clearance
Delivery to obtain a departure clearance, and the controllers use
handwritten local strips to manage these flights.

* Not a lot of surprises at the "Ground Control" position.  I did find out
that the "Request for Pushback" calls made by the airliners that I'm always
hearing are entirely optional.  KLGB Ground Control couldn't care less if
the pilots make them or not (they simply reply "Roger").  KLGB only has one
ground controller during normal wind conditions, but adds a second ground
controller when the winds switch around so that runways 16/34 are in use
(this apparently wreaks havoc with local pilots who aren't used to these
unusual conditions--espcially when taxiing).

* "Local Control" tower controllers monitor the same Approach Surveillance
Radar (ASR) feed that SoCal Approach uses.  AT KLGB, they use green
monochrome workstations called Digital Bright Radar Indicator Tower
Equipment (DBRITE) (see http://www.faa.gov/aua/ipt_prod/terminal/dbrite.htm
for more info).  The controllers drill down to a relatively small 10NM
scale, and use DBRITE for maintaining situational awareness to provide
sequencing and separation for IFR flights.  VFR pilots also can receive
basic radar service providing safety alerts, traffic advisories, limited
vectoring, and sequencing (although only when the IFR workload permits).
Typically, the two Local Control positions split up the airport into North
and South and then basically "timeshare" the long diagonal Runway 30 where a
lot of the heavy iron comes in.

* The "Cab Coordinator" coordinates with external agencies such as Center
and TRACON to allow the Local Control guys to focus on their local traffic
with the pilots.  The Cab Coordinator coordinates the hand-offs (incoming
and outgoing), and generally assists the Local Controllers when things get
hot and heavy.

* All radio transmissions are recorded on every frequency monitored (but
only retained for 15 days--unless there's a "deviation":  controller
buzz-speak for "someone screwed up").

* Tito showed me all the toys used in his profession including the back-up
portable radios that can be used in the event the controllers have to
evacuate the tower.  Of particular interest were the light-guns.  The tower
had two or three of them hanging from the ceiling ready for use.  Tito
recommends that pilots ask the tower to give them a test light gun signal
the next time they are on the ground AND while flying in the pattern to get
a feel for what the NORDO signals look like under real conditions.  He
recommends you try it under different meterological conditions (haze, etc.)
as well.  I thought this "hit me with the light-gun" tip was probably the
most useful thing I learned the whole day (and I can't wait to try it out on
my next flight).  In the pattern, Tito advises that the tower will usually
attempt to send the signal when the pilot is on DOWNWIND.

* I asked Tito what he thought the most common pilot mistake was.  He
responded that stepping on other people's radio transmissions, as well as
not listening up for your call sign were the most consistent problem he's
seen in his twenty years (this is probably aggravated by the fact there is a
significant amount of flight training going on at KLGB).    Tito advised
that pilots should be especially cautious when there are similar sounding
call signs in the area (this is the source of many incursions)--you really
have to listen.  WHEN IN DOUBT, ASK.  Pilots losing their situational
awareness on the ground was a particular problem at KLGB due to the
complexity of the airport layout.  Although the tower controllers have a
great view, they don't visually confirm every plane's position when issuing
clearances.  Make sure you know where you are when you reporting your
position.

* I asked Tito whether controllers prefer working IFR or VFR flights (I've
always gotten the impression that some controllers were less than
appreciative of VFR traffic).  Actually, Tito explained that most tower
controllers prefer working VFR traffic (since they immediately hand off
departing IFR traffic to departure control, VFR traffic allows them to "do
more controlling" until the pilot is out of their airspace).  According to
Tito, most controllers "like the action" and prefer to stay as busy as
possible.

* The official controller buzz-speak for GA traffic is "Little Guys."
Because of the numerous potential conflicts at KLGB (lots of LAHSO going
on), "Little Guys" generally will always be directed to go around to make
way for the heavy iron.  No surprises there.

*  I was surprised at the number of controllers who had pilot certificates.
At KLGB, at least 12-15 of the 25 controllers had their tickets.  Indeed,
some ATC schools apparently require their graduates to get their private
rating (good thing it doesn't work the other way around).

* Finally, I was surprised by what appears to be a significant lack of
automation in the tower.  The controllers use lots of pencil and paper
(according to Tito, EVERY tower uses those manual strips of paper to keep
track of the airplanes).  At KLGB, the current ATIS information was hand
written on a half-ripped sheet of paper and posted up on a wall.  Local
controllers seemingly use their own personalized systems and lots of scratch
paper to keep track of what aircraft they are working.  The DBRITE
monochrome terminals look like something out of a black and white 50's
movie.  The functionality they provides seems really spartan (and even
archaic) in contrast to what is possible with today's technology.  While I
was there, one of the tower controller's DBRITE terminal started flickering
off and on (for a second or two at a time).  I asked what that was all about
(figuring it was some sort of alert).  The controller explained that "we
don't know what is causing that--it's been doing that for a while."  At one
point during the flickering episode, another controller shouted out "It's
frozen!"  The DBRITE screen (with dozens of airplane symbols on it) seemed
to freeze in place for a time.  Finally, the damn thing started working
again.  Not quite the "China Syndrome," but a little unnerving (especially
so if I was one of the bastards on short final).

All in all, a profitable hour spent learning more about our ATC system.
Highly recommended for all pilots.

Regards, Jim


author: T H

subject: Re: KLGB Tower Trip Report (LONG)

text:
This does happen a lot. I just visited the Cincinnati Tower and Approach
Control (CVG) which is Class B airspace. They also used manual strips of
paper and the radar screens looked very antiquated. They did tell us that
they are getting color displays next year.

Tyson
PP-ASEL


author: "Marco L"

subject: Re: KLGB Tower Trip Report (LONG)

text:
Great report Jim!  Well written too.  I have yet to visit the tower here at
KFRG on Long Island but now you've convinced me it is a must.  Thanks!

Marco

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author: SeeAndAvoid

subject: Re: KLGB Tower Trip Report (LONG)

text:
Thanks for the report.  Odd hearing about that place, been so
long since I trained there.  Most airports now seem pretty
simple compared to that place.  In the early 80's, it was
right up there in overall numbers nationwide, pretty sure
it had more traffic than Van Nuys, CA, which passed it
up a while ago.  I spent almost all my time on the north
half of that airport (east when they used 16/34) and
got my PPL/COM/IFR/CFI there.  I found the controllers
fairly easy to work with, only once did they almost kill
me.

As a side note, I worked as a gas pumper there for a few
months, and before the tower would open in the morning
we'd speed around the ramp and a couple taxiways chasing
rabbits, doing over 80mph easy.  Turns out, a few years
later I was at a party and met some of those controllers.
They said they'd come in before 6am just to watch us, and
still cant see how we missed some of those planes as
we turned the 'FOLLOW ME' van on a dime trying to
run over a rabbit.  We never got one, or a plane.  Ah to
be young and stupid.

I flew in there last year from Colorado for the first time
in at least 15 years.  Runways have deteriorated, especially
the ones I used, 25R and 34R.  Most of the flight schools
are smaller or gone altogether.  Kind of depressing.  Oh,
and the tower almost tried to kill me, again.  Just like old
times.
Chris


author: Ron Rapp

subject: Re: KLGB Tower Trip Report (LONG)

text:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 01:32:43 GMT, "James Cummiskey"
<[email]> wrote:

James,

I fly out of SNA as well.  My aircraft is over by Dove St on the south
east side (the Skylane with the Tweetie Bird on the tail).  I've
wanted to get a look at the tower for a long time, but the cab
construction has been going to for what seems like forever.  At one
time I think SNA had FOUR tower cabs on the field all at the same
time:  the old one, the new one, the temporary one, and a fourth one
whose purpose I'm not quite sure of.  That's got to be some kind of
record.

That must be germaine to Long Beach.  At SNA the call for pushback is
mandatory, I believe.  There's not enough room on Alpha for arriving
airliners to get to their gate if an airliner is pushes back at the
wrong time.  One guys pushes out at an inopportune time and the whole
east side comes to a standstill. :)

Have you taken a tour of the Riverside Flight Service Station?  It's
on the field at RAL.  The folks there are very nice and are more than
happy to give anyone a tour.

--Ron


author: Dean F.

subject: Billboard's Hottest Hot 100 Hits: 1964


author: Eric Ramon

subject: Re: Billboard's Hottest Hot 100 Hits: 1964

text:
On Mar 13, 7:18 pm, "Dean F." <[email]> wrote:

I think I counted ten Beatles records...or was that nine? I Feel Fine/
She's a Woman....counted twice as a double-sided hit? Actually I'm
surprised it was so few. Interesting to note that 7 of the top 10 were
Beatles or Supremes. Only 27 of the 100 were British.


author: "ppint. at pplay"

text:
- hi; in article,
	 <[email]>
	       [email] "Dean F." revisioned:
[>]

	- technically, the tamla motown era in the uk didn't start until
	the release - and success - of "stop! in the name of love"; prior
	to this, the only motown recordings released over here were those
	few artists picked up by emi and released on the stateside label
	(or, very rarely, one-off pick-ups by another uk record label,
	such as oriole).
	  and it took a year or so - and a loss-making rolling motown tour,
	and a major campaign by dusty springfield, before the tamla motown
	label's artists shared a decent slice of the sales and the charts.

	- perhaps you are ;-) but merkin rock'n'roll'd been devastated
	already by a) the major record corps; b) changing fashions;
	c) elvis' induction and his (re-)turning to films; d) natural
	wastage (choose one or more, and/or add further causes.......)

	- but would merkin rock'n'roll have revived without the british
	r&b groups bringing their brands of more-or-less modified race
	records, and original ballad and dance compositions, back to the
	attention of the usa in a form acceptable(ish) to white radio
	stations and tv?

	- come to that, would motown and stax've escaped the ghetto with-
	out the british invasion and the merkin musicians inspired by
	them making "nigger music" and music strongly influenced by black
	musicians vastly more important - and commercially successful -
	than it had been?

	- _something_ would've come along eventually, to jolt the music
	out of the doldrums of the anodyne, middle-of-the-road rut the
	music industry naturally sags into;
	  but would it've been born of race records crossing the gulf
	to sales and airplay across white merkia - or might it not've
	been a new dance craze out of mexico and the caribbean, or an
	amplified appalachian step, or something menacing crawling out
	of the louisianan swamps?

	- i don't know; but - and i had to - i know which way i'd bet.

	- love, a ppint. as could also vwbw
	[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
  "in a well-governed country, poverty is something to be ashamed of;
   in a poorly-governed country, wealth is something to be ashamed of."
               - attrib. confucius [ref. needed for quote]


text:
On Thursday, March 14, 2013 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Eric Ramon wrote:

1. It was ten Beatle records. "I Feel Fine" and "She's A Woman" charted separately.

2. Regarding the Supremes: everybody talks about how 1964 ushered in the British Invasion, but they seem to forget that it was also the year that soul music - and Motown in particular - started to get big.

3. As for only 27 of the top 100 hits being from the UK: I've long believed that the British Invasion wasn't nearly as devastating to American rock 'n' roll as conventional wisdom would have us believe. Perhaps I'm right?


author: Roger Ford

text:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:22:43 -0000 gmt, v$af$[email]
("ppint. at pplay") wrote:

No,the "Tamla-Motown era" in the UK was first built in small R&B clubs
all over the country but principally in London.This was circa 1963. I
know because I was a regular attendee at a couple of them. It spilled
over into the public arena in a big way in 1964 when "Where Did Our
Love Go" went high in the UK charts followed by the #1 hit "Baby
Love"---establishing The Supremes as a force to be reckoned with and
more importantly,pushing Motown and its works to the forefront of
public musical awareness here in the UK

The Motown releases on Oriole weren't "one off pickups". There was a
proper signed contractual distribution agreement between the labels
giving Morris Levy (no relation) and Oriole American access to the
catalog of the American company

And of course before that there had been several Motown releases here
on London (led by Marv Johnson's "Come To Me" in 1959 but that came
via the later release and thru the UA contract). The first *real*
Motown release here was the huge Miracles hit "Shop Around" in
February 1961.

Later that year Philips here took over Motown distribution with
several releases on Fontana---the most famous being the US #1 smash
"Please Mr Postman" The Marvelettes

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subject: Looking to drop 6 volts dc to 4.5 volts dc

text:
I'm looking to add a mod to my pinball machine with a couple of led's and
need to drop 6 volts dc down to 4.5 volts dc. Can anyone suggest which
resistor to use?

Thanks.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Looking to drop 6 volts dc to 4.5 volts dc

text:
.D.E wrote:

If I understand your question correctly, most people makes voltage
regulators out of Zener diodes. However, I suppose you could make a
voltage regulator using a couple of LEDs although it probably wouldn't
be as accurate.

For information on how to do this look at instructions for doing it
with a Zener and then simply adapt them for using LEDs instead. For
information on making a regulator using a Zener, type in ZENER VOLTAGE
REGULATOR in Google. Here's a couple of examples:

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_6/chpt_5/7.html
http://www.ycmou.com/st/Download/ALM/Zener%20Reg.pdf#search=%22voltage%20regulator%20zener%22


author: redbelly

text:
Al wrote:

That doesn't sound like it would work. Now you have an extra 0.1 V on
the LED.  The current could be easily double (or more) what is wanted.
"Close to the right voltage", in an LED or any diode, just doesn't cut
it in terms of limiting the current.

And if the source voltage is NOT a constant, exact 6V, it's even worse.

Resistors are the standard, simple easy way to limit current through an
LED.

Mark


author: J.A. Legris

text:
[email] wrote:

Alas, poor Hamlet may have known him "well", but he never said it. The
emphasis was on the word "knew" - an acknowledgment that death is
indiscriminant and mysterious.

For the pin-ball machine, try this:

"For in that sleep of death what dreams may come when we have shuffled
off this mortal coil..."


text:
J.A. Legris wrote:

Ha! Evidently a new word - use at your own risk:

"indiscriminant" - (noun) a mathematical expression that has nothing to
do with an actual solution.