subject: Re: 4.2 ship date and being charged

text:
Dmitry is correct.  Mark Williams Company also charged me early.  I paid for
the priviledge of being a member of the Coherent Club and for CohWare on
6/21/93.  Recently, MWC made additional charges to my credit card, $48.00 and
$9.00 ($57.00). I spoke with a MWC representative and they confirmed that the
charge is for Coherent 4.2 + X Window, etc.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bruce Bigby
[email]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In article [email], [email] ("Dmitry L. Gringauz") writes:


author: Bruce Bigby

subject: Re: 4.2 ship date and being charged

text:
Chris is correct.  I joined the Coherent Club and received CohWare back in June.
MWC charged made a charge on my credit card for $53.00 for joining on 6/21/93.
Recently, MWC made 2 additional charges on my credit chard for $48.00 and $9.00
for Coherent 4.2 + X-Window, etc, and shipping and handling.  I confirmed this
when I called MWC and spoke with a representative.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bruce Bigby
[email]

P.S.  My comments and statements are my own.  Do not miscontrue them as the opinions,
statements, or policies of Xerox Coporation.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In article [email], [email] ("Dmitry L. Gringauz") writes:


author: John Miller

subject: Re: 4.2 ship date and being charged

text:
Dmitry L. Gringauz ([email]) wrote:
: >
: > I am a little confused. :)  Way back in the summer I joined the
: > "Coherent Club."  Did that automatically put me on some sort of
: > "These people are upgrading to 4.2" list?  The reason I ask is
: > that my American Express bill says that MWC charged my card
: > $50 on September 12 ($39.95 + shipping).  I assume this is for
: > the 4.2 upgrade (which I didn't even order).  However, when I
: > called MWC to find out what is going on, the nice customer service
: > guy (Addison?) told me that 4.2 isn't shipping for another couple
: > of weeks.  So we have two questions here:
: >
: > Why did they automatically sell me the upgrade without my asking?
: > (Which isn't a very big deal since I was already going to order
: > it in order to try it out.)

: By God, you  are confused, and a lot, too.

<snip>

: I was also told  that, as soon as 4.2 comes out, I will automatically
: be send  the upgrade at a  reduced price (that is, I'll be billed for
: it at the time of shipping, and that is holding, unfortunately  (hint,
: hint 8-) )).

: All these conditions were made very  clear to me at the time of the
: phone call, and things happened precisely as they were described to
: me (so far).

: >
: > Why did they charge me for it a MONTH before they are scheduled
: > to ship 4.2???

Well, just for the record, my experience was the same as Chris's -- there
was *no mention* of the automatic shipping/billing of 4.2 at the time I
joined the Club.

No big deal, though.  Anyone have an SVGA monitor they'd like to swap for
an unlimited-login version of 4.2 along with X11 still in the shrinkwrap?


author: Chris Mauritz

subject: Re: 4.2 ship date and being charged

text:
Dmitry L. Gringauz ([email]) wrote:
: >
: > I am a little confused. :)  Way back in the summer I joined the
: > "Coherent Club."  Did that automatically put me on some sort of
: > "These people are upgrading to 4.2" list?  The reason I ask is
: > that my American Express bill says that MWC charged my card
: > $50 on September 12 ($39.95 + shipping).  I assume this is for
: > the 4.2 upgrade (which I didn't even order).  However, when I
: > called MWC to find out what is going on, the nice customer service
: > guy (Addison?) told me that 4.2 isn't shipping for another couple
: > of weeks.  So we have two questions here:
: >
: > Why did they automatically sell me the upgrade without my asking?
: > (Which isn't a very big deal since I was already going to order
: > it in order to try it out.)

: By God, you  are confused, and a lot, too.

Well, maybe I am, but I'm not THAT confused. :)

: When I got called about the Coherent club membership, I was told  that
: the cost of the membership is $50.00 (at the time, it also included the
: Cohware V and free X-windows).  That amount got charged right away (in my
: case).

I got charged for that $50 right away too.  However, the guy on the phone
mentioned that IF I wanted to upgrade to 4.2, THEN I would get a "club
discount."  He didn't say "If you join the club, we will automatically
upgrade/charge you."

: I was also told  that, as soon as 4.2 comes out, I will automatically
: be send  the upgrade at a  reduced price (that is, I'll be billed for
: it at the time of shipping, and that is holding, unfortunately  (hint,
: hint 8-) )).

As I mentioned above, I got charged the original $50 way back when
I got the club phone call.  The reason I know that this charge was
for the upgrade is that it was broken down into 2 components ($39.95
+ $10 SHIPPING).

: All these conditions were made very  clear to me at the time of the
: phone call, and things happened precisely as they were described to
: me (so far).

Well, it wasn't made that clear to me.  I am not THAT annoyed since
I was going to try 4.2 out anyway.  What I am annoyed about is that
my credit card was charged a month before shipping.

Just to make sure, I called back again and talked to the same guy
and he said "Oh yeah, you're not the first guy to tell me this.  It
seems to have happened to other people too."  At that point, he
offered to credit my account and then make a new charge on the
shipping date.  I asked him when the "shipping date" was going to
be and he said "probably about 2 weeks" (on or about Oct. 10 by
my calculations).  I told him that seemed like a waste since MWC
would be charged a processing fee twice.  Then I told him that
I'll just wait a few weeks and if the product doesn't ship on
time, THEN I'll take his advice.  The whole thing just unnerved
me a little bit.

Regards,

Chris


subject: Re: 4.2 ship date and being charged

text:
I meant to say that Dmitry is INCORRECT and that Chris is CORRECT....

In article [email], [email] (Bruce Bigby) writes:


author: Trey Valenta

subject: Re: 4.2 ship date and being charged

text:
In <[email]> [email] (Bruce Bigby) writes:

I checked on this since it happened to me, too.  I was told that people were
not being billed til shipping time; apparently they were about to ship and
billing had commenced.  Soon after, a kernal bug was found and they held off
on the shipping of 4.2.  A few people had been already charged, however.

Any way, the guy told me that it should be shipping in week or so.

trey


author: Carl Witthoft

subject: wishful thinking: OSX version of ClarisCAD

text:
Ok,
so it's my personal pipe dream, but if anyone out there ever found
someone who'd got hold of the source code to ClarisCAD and ported it to
OSX,  I would love to have such a goodie.
Yeah, I know there's CADintosh and other decent small CAD programs, but
I always loved the original ClarisCAD.

SO.... any rumors?


author: sbt

subject: Re: wishful thinking: OSX version of ClarisCAD

text:
In article <[email]>, Carl
Witthoft <[email]> wrote:

Well, I worked at Claris in Product Development in those days and
worked with Craig, Mark, and the rest of the ClarisCAD on various
components. My fondness for ClarisCAD is the main reason I still have
an old 603e Mac running OS 8.6 (it had some problems with HFS+ and
other things that came with OS 9).

There are a few problems involved:

1) ClarisCAD was built as extensions to MacDraw II, under license, so
whoever would be involved would also need to get Apple to grant
permission to the MacDraw code.

2) The porting effort would be substantial -- you might note that it
was never even updated for the PowerPC line of Macs. In other words,
the memory model and much else would require significant
rearchitecting.

3) The code was really a tangled plate of spaghetti and, without a
roadmap, would be extremely difficult for anyone to maintain, much less
port.


text:
In article <[email]>,
Tim Murray <[email]> wrote:

Mixture of C++ and Object Pascal, based upon the MacApp framework.
Never updated for UPPs or other PowerPC-native requirements. Great
product though and one I never understood why the management of the
time cancelled -- it was a profitable product with a guaranteed revenue
stream and they didn't have anything with which to replace it (at least
for MacDraw, they had ClarisDraw/ClarisImpact to take a part of the
market and they could leverage the ClarisWorks codebase on which they
were built). By the way, the ClarisCAD folks were the bulk of the crew
that evolved ClarisWorks code into ClarisDraw/ClarisImpact (and the
ClarisDraw and ClarisImpact products were incredibly popular in the
Asian markets--especially Japan and Korea).


author: Rodney Smith

subject: Re: Utility for writing Help files! Please help me out!

text:
[email] (Morten Ranheim) wrote:

Might you be referring to RTF or "Rich Text Format"?  That is the help
format standard for Windows.

Rodney Smith


author: Gene Moffett

subject: extending MICS station modules

text:
we're connecting two buildings together...voice/data (adding about 70
phones).  I was thinking, it would be easier to have the modules in the
second building, rather than running a 100 pair cable...
The conduit is in the ground....no cable run yet....
Here's the question:

Can I run some LONG fiber..(fabricated, I would assume), and simply connect
the station modules IN THE NEW BUILDING?

(the distance is probably around 150 feet)

seems like a good solution....but maybe I'm missing something...

Thanks,
Gene


author: RichC

subject: Re: extending MICS station modules

text:
Regarding the plastic fiber cables:
HP spun off the optoelectronics to www.semiconductor.agilent.com/

The connector: HFBR-4506
Polishing Kit:    HFBR-4593
Crimp Tool:      HFBR-4597 (nice but you could do it without)

Standard Attenuation fiber:  HFBR-RMDxxx
Extra Low Attenuation fiber:  HFBR-EMDxxx
xxx is length in meters ï¿½ 022 is 22 meters

Compatible with HP Versatile Link Family of Connectors and Fiber Optic
Components 1 mm Diameter Plastic Optical Fiber (POF) in Two Grades: Low Cost
Standard POF with 0.22 dB/m Typical Attenuation, or High Performance Extra
Low Loss POF with 0.19 dB/m Typical Attenuation

According to the HP technical data the link should work up to aprox 30
meters from
0 degrees C to 70 degrees C so your 150ft span using plastic fiber may not
work.
The other extender devices are your best options.

Gene Moffett wrote in message
<723AB276Ebprophethotmailcom@207.218.245.68>...


author: Jeff Wasilko

subject: Re: extending MICS station modules

text:
In article <723AB276Ebprophethotmailcom@207.218.245.68>,
Gene Moffett <[email]> wrote:

You need a module extender to do this:

http://www.digitaltechniques.com/Product_Pages/Module_Extender/modulext.htm


subject: Re: extending MICS station modules

text:
Safer too.  While one could try FUSED 27 volt transient protectors (such as
PICO) and a
ground bonding wire outside of the copper bundle, fiber is the best.

150 feet is well within a simple extender design I have (schematic is free
for asking).
I have not tried connecting the modules using the HP plastic fiber.  If you
are a brave
person the plastic fiber, ends, and a polishing kit can be obtained from
www.newark.com

Most will use multimode glass fiber with at least 6 pairs. (5 pair for
Nortel modules and one
for LAN computer network)

Gene Moffett wrote in message
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author: Steve Shiels

subject: Modelling Mandatory 1:m Relationships

text:
Hi,

can anybody provide some best practice advice on the best way to model 1:m
relationships that are mandatory at both parent and child entities.

I understand that modelling from the child to the parent simply requires the
child FK to not allow NULL and that that in itself is enough to indicate
mandatory participation from the parent end. However it still allows the
parent to exist in it's own right without the corresponding instance of the
child.

If for example you had a Video entity as the parent and a VideoCopy entity
as the child. How would you model the fact that each logical Video must
exist as a physical instance of VideoCopy and that each instance of a
VideoCopy must be related to an instance of Video?

Many thanks in advance,

Steve


author: --CELKO--

subject: Re: Modelling Mandatory 1:m Relationships

text:
One trick is to build a VIEW that with the 1:m relationship and then
use it instead of the base tables.  This does not prevent you from
having "childless parents", but it hides them from you until you can do
a clean up.


text:
As an aside, to do this in Standard SQL-92 you woul  use a CREATE
ASSERTION statement or a CHECK() constraint that references the other
table.  CREATE ASSERTION  is a CHECK() cponstraint done at the schema
level instead of the table level.


author: Ed Prochak

text:
Steve Shiels wrote:

Basically a "circular" relation?

How is it going to be 1:M if there is this requirement for a VideoCopy
entity for each parent "Video entity"? Well you cannot put a VideoCopy
attribute on the Video entity, then it would be 1:1. You might have to
do this with a trigger (or two). certainly it's not really possible
using foreign keys.

Just to make sure I understand, the parent "Video entity" would the
Movie title? and copy is the specific tapes and CDs, thus the one to
many. Have I got your meaning?

So first note it seems to me that the "Video entity" can exist first.
That's why it's the parent. It also can exist without the VideoCopy
entity. IOW a new movie is released, but your store hasn't gotten any
in stock yet. So are you sure you aren't making the constraint tighter
than it needs to be?

ed


text:
Many thanks Joe! I'll have a think about implementing this in my particular
scenario (one table acting as a parent to two child tables).

Thanks again!
"--CELKO--" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


text:
Hi Ed,

Many thanks for taking the time to respond, it is much appreciated!

be?

I am rapidly coming around to the opinion that I am seriously
over-complicating this :-) The work is for a course project and thus I'm not
too sure how explicit I can be in my details. Basically what I was trying to
achieve was to ensure that no parent row exists without the corresponding
child row AND maintaining this. However I think that this is probably
unnecessary, not a natural situation and probably not correct in my
particular set of circumstances:-) I think I'm going to go with ensuring
that at the start both exist, using DRI and a CHECK constraint on the
parent, and after that move on to the next 'challenge'.

Once again many thanks!

Steve

"Ed Prochak" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
1:m
the
the
entity


author: Jim Farland

subject: Dynamically allocated files

text:
Hello;

Is it possible to dynamically generate files from within COBOL without
assigning DDNames in the JCL.   The files that are dynamically
allocated would not already be allocated on the Mainframe.

Here is an example of what we are trying to do:

1) Read a company table to determine all companies that need to be
processed
2) Read in an input file with data for all companies specified in the
company table.
3) Create unique output files with the input data specific to each
company from the company table.
4) Each new output file created would not be defined in the JCL with a
DDName, and would not previously exist on the Mainframe.

Can Cobol dynamically create files that were not previously defined in
the JCL executing the Cobol program?

Thanks for any help that can be offered in advance;

Jim Farland


author: Solar Systems

subject: Re: Dynamically allocated files

text:
It sure is possible to dynamically allocate either new or existing files in
Cobol, using the BPXWDYN  IBM-supplied subroutine (which we also use in
assembler and PL1 programs).  Just set up a table of file allocation
parameters, then go through the table and call the subroutine for each file
to be allocated, similar to this:

Dynamic Allocation in High-Level Languages IBM has made available (as part
of Unix Services for OS/390) a generalized file allocation/deallocation
routine that makes it easy to allocate files in high-level languages, such
as Cobol or PL/1. This subroutine can also be called by Assembler programs
and REXX execs.  Called BPXWDYN, the subroutine is passed a single, varying
length character string of up to 100 bytes in length, containing the ALLOC
or FREE command and its operands, coded exactly as you would enter the
corresponding TSO command.   For the complete syntax rules, see the TSO HELP
section on the ALLOC command.   The subroutine can be called to allocate
input, output, or SYSOUT files. Since this is an IBM-supplied and supported
subroutine, it can be used to replace various user-written subroutines. When
using this subroutine, no JCL DD statements are required when running the
program. If any error conditions occur, they will be listed in the job lob
if the MSG(WTP) operand is included in the parameter string, as shown in the
following example. This example is of a Cobol program calling the subroutine
to allocate, open, read, print, close, and free a member of a PDS. For
simplicity's sake, the varying length parameter is always set to 100 bytes,
the maximum allowed.

       CBL NOLIST,NOSEQ
       IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
       PROGRAM-ID. COBDYNAL.
......*===============================================================*
......* This program dynamically allocates and deallocates a file
......* using the BPXWDYN IBM subroutine. No DD statements for the
......* file sould appear in the JCL:
......*===============================================================*
       ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
       CONFIGURATION SECTION.
       INPUT-OUTPUT SECTION.
       FILE-CONTROL.
       SELECT FILEIN ASSIGN TO FILEIN.
       DATA DIVISION.
       FILE SECTION.
       FD FILEIN
       RECORD CONTAINS 80 CHARACTERS
       RECORDING MODE IS F
       LABEL RECORDS ARE STANDARD,
       BLOCK CONTAINS 0 CHARACTERS
       DATA RECORD IS FILEIN-REC.
       01 FILEIN-REC.
          05 FILLER PIC X(80).

       WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.
       77 INPUT-REC PIC X(80).
       77 IN-COUNT PIC 9(9) BINARY VALUE 0.
       77 SUB-PGM PIC X(8) VALUE 'BPXWDYN '.
       77 ALLOC-CMD PIC X(100) VALUE
            ' ALLOC DD(FILEIN) DSN(P2RSY.TSO.DATA(COMPILE)) CYL(2,1)
MSG(WTP)  '.

       01 COMMAND-STRING.
          05 C-S-LEN PIC S9(4) BINARY VALUE +100.
          05 C-S-DATA.
             07 FILLER PIC X(100).

       PROCEDURE DIVISION.
       INITIAL-STUFF.
......*===============================================================*
......* MOVE THE "ALLOC" STATEMENT TO COMMAND, THEN CALL SUBROUTINE:
......*===============================================================*
       MOVE ALLOC-CMD TO C-S-DATA.
       CALL SUB-PGM USING COMMAND-STRING.
......*===============================================================*
......* OPEN THE FILE JUST ALLOCATED:
......*===============================================================*
       OPEN INPUT FILEIN.

...... READER.
......*===============================================================*
......* READ AND PRINT ALL THE RECORDS IN THE INPUT FILE:
......*===============================================================*
       READ FILEIN INTO INPUT-REC,
       AT END GO TO E-O-J.
       ADD +1 TO IN-COUNT.
       DISPLAY FILEIN-REC.
       GO TO READER.

...... E-O-J.
......*===============================================================*
......* AT END-OF-FILE, CLOSE INPUT FILE, MOVE "FREE" TO COMMAND:
......*===============================================================*
       CLOSE FILEIN.
       MOVE 'FREE DD(FILEIN)' TO C-S-DATA.
       CALL SUB-PGM USING COMMAND-STRING.
       STOP RUN.
//*********************************************************************

"Jim Farland" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Albert W. Paul

subject: Re: Dynamically allocated files

text:
IBM supplies a routine to do this. It is comes as part of the MVS operating
system software. It functions with all MVS version of COBOL. The following
is the introduction to the documentation attached.

DYNAM provides an interface between a high level language such as COBOL or
PLI, and SVC 99, the system dynamic allocation  routine.  It allows the user
to acquire system resources as the need arises and free them when they are
no longer required.  DYNAM takes simple parameters consisting of character
strings and translates them into the text units required by SVC 99.  In
addition, a special information retrieval function can be called to provide
all the information available about a particular allocation.  This
information is returned in a fixed format data structure.  For more
information about SVC 99 refer to the IBM manual:

"Jim Farland" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: S Comstock

subject: Re: Dynamically allocated files

text:
Jim Farland writes ...

Yes. You can issue TSO ALLOCATE commands from a COBOL program to dynamically
allocate files to ddnames that are declared in the COBOL program. So you would
allocate, then open and process, then close, then free.

Check out IKJEFTSR in the TSO programming services reference. Or schedule us to
come in and teach a class (Advanced TSO REXX covers that and more).

Hope this helps,

Steve Comstock
Telephone: 303-393-8716
www.trainersfriend.com
email: [email]
256-B S. Monaco Parkway
Denver, CO 80224
USA


author: William M. Klein

subject: Re: Dynamically allocated files

text:
Yes it is.

 Steve Comstock has given you the "traditional" ways of doing this in
another post.  However, if you have the "latest and greatest" COBOL compiler
(IBM COBOL for OS/390 & VM - V2R2) - then there is an even "easier" (and
possibly more "COBOL intuitive" way to do this).

Check out,

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/igylr205/4.2.3.1.
1

and look for the section beginning,

"Environment variable format (OS/390 QSAM files)--DSN option"

This option was NOT (is not) available with any earlier release of IBM's
COBOL compilers (and is not available except on OS/390 "or above").


author: Alister Munro

subject: Re: Dynamically allocated files

text:
I use variables to assign file names with my MF WB 2.4 compiler
(SELECT fl-cust ASSIGN ws-fnme.). Is this not possible with
other compilers ?

"Jim Farland" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: DBuck

subject: Re: Dynamically allocated files

text:
Jim Farland <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

You basically have 3 options:

1)  IF you have COBOL 390 or above, you can dynamically allocate the files
directly from your COBOL program
2)  You can dynamically allocate files using an assembler submodule (using
SVC99 - DYNALLOC)
3)  You can dynamically allocate files using TSO (as stated in another
response)

I believe that there   are samples of the last 2 options on the CBT tape...

Dave


subject: Re: Dynamically allocated files

text:
Can you provide an example with control loop type logic.

Thank you;

Jim Farland

[email] (S Comstock) wrote in message news:<[email]>...


subject: Re: Dynamically allocated files

text:
Almost all PC compilers have a method of "allocating" new files (with file
names not known at compile-time) - this has NOT ever been a part of IBM
mainframe compilers.

In the draft Standard, there is a new format of the Select/Assign clause
(that has
   Select file-name USING variable-name

which is "similar" (but not quite identical) to how many/most PC
implementations work today.

The IBM mainframe implementations (old and new) are quite different.

This is an area of "Standard COBOL" that is (rightly?) left almost entirely
up to the implementor as what a "physical file name" means is so different
on different operating systems.


subject: Re: Dynamically allocated files

text:
"Alister Munro" <[email]> wrote in message news:<9gqqtr$681$[email]>...

Can you provide an example of how you are using dynamic file
allocation?  Is it possible to assign a control loop with variables to
allocate, read, write, and free the files?

Thank you;

Jim Farland


author: Tim Coffey

subject: Re: Dynamically allocated files

text:
"DBuck" <[email]> wrote in message news:<9gra1o$9pure$[email]>...

Or perhaps something as simple as this, which uses a COBOL interface to all
the SVC 99 functions.

MOVE LOW-VALUES TO IDENT-SVC99-PARMS-AREA.
MOVE 'WAAPCODE' TO IDENT-DSNDA-DDNAME.
MOVE 'RCVD.DBKP0.NASMSRCE' TO IDENT-DSNDA-DSNAME.
MOVE DSN-TIMESTAMP TO IDENT-DSNDA-DSNAME (20:8).
MOVE 'TSTDA' TO IDENT-DSNDA-UNIT.
MOVE 'Y' TO IDENT-DSNDA-ALLOC-CYL-FLAG,
            IDENT-DSNDA-RELEASE-FLAG.
MOVE 1 TO IDENT-DSNDA-PRIMARY.
MOVE 1 TO IDENT-DSNDA-SECONDARY.
MOVE 80 TO IDENT-DSNDA-LRECL.
MOVE 24000 TO IDENT-DSNDA-BLKSIZE.
MOVE 'FB' TO IDENT-DSNDA-RECFM.
MOVE 'NEW' TO IDENT-DSNDA-STATUS.
MOVE 'CATLG' TO IDENT-DSNDA-NDISP.
MOVE 'DELETE' TO IDENT-DSNDA-CDISP.
CALL 'S9CALLOC' USING IDENT-SVC99-PARMS-AREA,
                      IDENT-SVC99-WORKAREA.

OPEN OUTPUT WAAP-CODE.


author: Dark Paladin

subject: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Now that Eidos is off the hook  with the Columbine 5 billion dollar
lawsuit of several game and entertainment companies, I thought it was
time somebody realized the truth of how Eric and Dylan could become
such horrible killers.

What follows is tasteless, mean spiritied, and incredibly sarcastic.
Which means it should appeal to most of our readers.

Eidos off the hook

Recently a ruling cleared Eidos of responsibility in the Columbine
lawsuit . The reason for dismissing Eidos's role in the lawsuit is
that the game in question, Final Fantasy VII for the PC, does not
feature guns in the game (which, for anyone who's played it, it does.
Anybody remember a character called Vincent? Hm?). For those
unfamiliar with the case, here's a brief time line:

    * April 9, 1981: Eric Harris is born.
    * Sept 11, 1981: Dylan Klebold is born.
    * December 10, 1993: Doom is released to the gaming public.
    * May 31, 1998: Final Fantasy VII is released for the PC in the
United States.
    * April 20, 1999: Eric and Dylan launch an organized attack on the
students of Columbine School. During the massacre, they kill 13
people, injure another dozen, then kill themselves.
    * April 25, 2001: Families of the victims of the Columbine
shootings launch a 5 billion dollar lawsuit again: AOL Time Warner,
Nintendo of America, Sony Computer Entertainment, id Software, Atari,
Sega of America, Virgin Interactive Media, Activision, Polygram Film
Entertainment Distribution, New Line Cinema, GT Interactive Software,
Eidos, and others.

People have wondered for years just why Eric and Dylan went on their
rampage that left 15 dead (including themselves). The lawsuit claims
that it was because of these computer games, games that were marketed
and sold to appeal to the violent nature of teenagers.

After some thought, I have finally uncovered how this event could be
possible. Here's a time line of my own showing how the two young men
could have become the killers they are today, thanks to the games that
the companies mentioned in the lawsuits make.

1993

It is a lovely December morning. Birds are singing in the cold air,
ignoring the fact that it is winter and they should have flown south
for the winter. Two young men get together to talk.

Eric: (Eric is wearing a straw hat and fishing pole, about to go
fishing in the creek.) What do you have there, Dylan?
Dylan: (Dylan is dressed in a starch white shirt, black pants and tie.
He holds up a strange looking box. On the cover it shows a man with a
machine gun, aiming at a large horned monster. Spooky music plays in
the background.) I don't know, Eric. I was on my way to Sunday school
when I found this box on the ground.
Eric: Do you think we should be playing with it, Dylan? I mean, it
looks bad.
Dylan: Ah, what can it hurt. I'll just open the box.

Rays of light burst from the box, searing into the young boys eyes.
The screeches of Hell are heard in the background.

Eric: Must...kill....
Dylan: Need...to...wear...dorky...clothes...rising...

Fade to black.

1994

A year has passed. How are the young men doing now that they are 13
years old, their hormones blossoming inside of them?

Dylan: Hey, Eric. How's it going.
Eric: Pretty cool. I just picked up this new game from the store!

Eric brandishes a cartridge in his hands for the GameBoy console
system. It is (cue spooky music)...Space Invaders by Atari!

Dylan: Cool! Let me play!

Soon all we see is the glow from the Gameboy console as the two young
men play, their faces awash in an unnatural green light. Their faces
are slack-jawed and hypnotized.

Eric: Hey, Dylan. (We can now see over their shoulders as Dylan
manipulates the buttons, forcing the tiny little spaceship to shoot
the harmless alien warships that are slowly moving back and forth,
making their way down the screen.)
Dylan: Yeah? (His voice comes out slowly, thick with syrup.)
Eric: Wouldn't it be cool if in gym, when we have to study dance, the
kids would all line up and just move back and forth while we shot at
them with guns? And the kids could all move faster and get closer to
us so we'd have to move faster and faster?
Dylan: Yeah. That would be cool.

Somewhere in the distance, the CEO of Atari laughs while having wild
sex with Satan

You can read the rest of the article here:

http://www.gamerspress.com/article.php?sid=482


author: Skylar Thompson

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Otara wrote:

In my mind, there are two things that make the US unique:

(1) We have schools. We have lots of them, and all children from
kindergarden to 16/17/18 are required to attend. Not all the children are
mature nor sane.

(2) We have guns. We have lots of them, and children can, in some cases,
get at them easily.

Immature/insane child + other annoying children + gun = carnage.


author: Chris Schack

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
In article <YEFg7.141172$[email]>,
"tools-tech" <[email]> wrote:

And hopefully THAT one will be soon.  Death to the Purple Abomination!

Chris Schack


author: Gabor Laufer

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Do you all really think, that those lawyers REALLY think that the games
are harmful? Do they REALLY think, that those kids killed because of a game?
Of course not, they know better.

But do they REALLY think, that they will find 7 out of 12 idiots, who will
blame the games,
which will result billions in their pockets?

Yeah....that is the real answer.

Gabor

"Dark Paladin" <[email]> wrote in message
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author: mike

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Let it go man. This horse has been beaten to death. Have some respect for
the dead...please!

"Dark Paladin" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Plissken

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Good article.

Anyone with a brain should know that video games aren't to blame
whatsoever.  The only thing involved in the lawsuit is the pain and
ensuing GREED of the families who've filed.  Unfortunately, this
country isn't full of people with brains.  The majority of the country
is populated by brainless sheep.  It's easy to steer sheep into one
way of thinking.

If you get a chance, watch the latest Chris Rock at the Apollo special
on HBO.  He addressed the "reason" behind the kids killing their
classmates that went something like this:

"Whatever happened to just plain crazy?"

There are always crazy people in society, and you can only blame the
people who did it.  Certainly their whole lives were full of
influences, but ultimately you have to blame the person who actually
committed the crime.  The highest up in the legal system (lawyers,
judges, politicians...) will never say such things.  Their jobs become
obsolete once 90% of court cases are thrown out due to the fact that
you can't blame someone else any longer.

Unfortunately, as these families see it, it's unprofitable to try and
sue two dead teenage boys.

Plissken


author: R. Mast

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Dark Paladin wrote:

<snip article>

*applause*

Good article!


author: Jonah Falcon

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Bah, people blamed everything from marijuana to comic books to rock 'n' roll
for violent behavior. (Embarrassing since marijuana is a DEPRESSANT. LOL)
Everything is at fault, of course.

The real reason is this: Some people have mental defects or in a bad
environment. They're either born fucked up or made fucked up.

Or, as the old saying goes:

Shit happens.

Jonah Falcon


author: Schrodinger

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
I didn't read all of your post, although believe that the press hysteria
about computer games is just that.

One good example is an article in last Sunday's Observer (as respected UK
"broadsheet").

The headline was something like "Computer Games are Bad for Kids - Official
Research confirms".

It went on to explain how some research from a Norwegian professor (he may
have been Swedish or whatever) had proved that children playing computer
games did not develop mentally in the same way as those performing a
relatively complex repetitive mathematical task.

It did not compare playing computer games with, say, playing football
outside or watching television.

The "disturbing" part of the research (according to the normally level
headed Observer) was that the frontal lobe specifically DID NOT DEVELOP
during gaming activities (a N64 was used for the test).

The frontal lobe helps develop personality and interaction with others.

I'll leave it to everybody else to draw their own conclusions about the aim
of the article and research, but my feeling was that it would have been a
valid test had they compared playing games with any one of the hundreds of
other things children may typically do in a day, not a complex and
repetitive mathematical test.

Like anything else, though, if you play games all of the time it is not good
for you - as with reading, eating, hopping and anything else.(This does
*not* include masturbating ;-0  ).

<rant over>

Schrodinger

"Dark Paladin" <[email]> wrote in message
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author: Invader Zim

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
but... he's not the one who's being disrespectful... the families of the
victims are the ones that are being disrespectful by insisting on suing the
entertainment industry. he just made a funny little sarcastic comment about
it.

-Invader Zim

"mike" <[email]> wrote in message
news:pqIg7.28735$[email]...


author: Bryan J. Maloney

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
In article <[email]>, Plissken
<[email]> wrote:

When I was that age, my parents stuck their nose into everything I did,
demanded to know where I was going, what I was doing, and who I was
doing it with.  That's what parents are SUPPOSED to do.  Parents are
supposed to annoy the hell out of their teenagers.  Mind you, I grew up
in a trashy lower-middle-class neighborhood, not a superior rich
neighborhood where such attitudes were considered backwards and
repressive.


author: Andy

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Plissken <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

I believe you're wrong, and unfairly (and unknowledgabley) maligning
the families. It isn't greed that is the motivating factor. It's
anger, pain and the feeling of helplessness that only those who have
had children stolen from them could ever feel. They're striking out at
anyone and everyone who may have played even the tiniest part in the
deaths of their children, in an attempt to dampen those feelings.

And as for suing people, in the US, your country is simply reaping
what it's sown. Your society*** is based around blame/vengeance. It's
always someone else's fault and no one ever admits their own
culpability in anything, even opening coffee.

***An observation, not a criticism, every country has its faults. The
US's just get pushed into everyone's faces ;-)

Andy


author: Lucian Wischik

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Plissken  <[email]> wrote:

But apparently, although it's easy to steer them, it's *impossible* to
steer them with video games?


author: Kevin

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Jonah Falcon wrote:

Actually I've seen people who are never violent become violent (kicking doors
and walls etc) after having dope.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Jonah Falcon <[email]> wrote:

Marijuana has been suggested to increase the chance of schizophrenia.
Schizphrenia has been associated with violent behaviour. Therefore.


author: Barney Miller

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Jonah Falcon <[email]> wrote in message
news:9lubdl$18u$[email]...
roll

Actually i beleive marijuana is officially classed as a halucinogen.


author: MadNetter

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"Jonah Falcon" <[email]> wrote in message
news:9lubdl$18u$[email]...
roll

It is? I must have been smoking the wrong stuff all these years. My dealer's
gonna be pissed.

Kevin "Kind Bud" Cogliano


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
In article <9lubsp$7bt$[email]>, "Schrodinger"
<[email]> wrote:

So give 'em a keyboard and teach 'em Bach.


author: James Garvin

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"Bryan J. Maloney" wrote:

I lived at the edge of the "other rich side" in St. Louis(Ballwin).  I
lived with my dad and we were pretty middle class...not enough to buy
everything we wanted, but enough to be comfortable and happy.  He wouldn't
leave me alone...always had to know what was going on....When he caught me
doing something he made sure I was punished in the most evil way possible
(ex: once I got drunk on a Friday night...he knew and waited until about
5am to wake me up...I was hung over and felt like hell.  He made me do all
the loud things like vacuum, mow, pound nails into a board, ect..)

Anyway, the rich bastards in my school could murder someone and their
parents wouldn't flinch.  There was a girl that wrecked 5 cars in 2
years...her parents just kept buying them for her.  A guy on the football
team put a kid in the hospital...he did it just because he wanted to...he
daddy got him off the hook....


author: Adrian Jackson

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:04:01 -0400, "Bryan J. Maloney"
<[email]> wrote:

Ask yourself this: if you believe it's okay to invade your kids'
privacy, do you also believe it's okay for your kids to invade yours?

The problem isn't so much the invasion of privacy, but what the
parents do about what they learn.  Is the parents' invading their
kids' privacy a vehicle to keep the kids and their community safe?  Or
is it really a vehicle to brainwash their kids by over-analyzing
everything they do, write, say, feel, and think for something that
goes against the parents' beliefs, and which must therefore be
punished?  A vehicle to over-shelter kids, keep them from EVER having
to make a mistake, EVER having to be hurt, EVER having to experience
the ugliness of this world?  THAT'S what's oppressive, and THAT'S why
invasion of privacy (not just between parents and kids, but as a
whole) is looked down upon.  The whole point of invading someone's
privacy is to find out "what they're doing wrong" in the eyes of the
privacy invader, isn't it?  After all, if the goal isn't to find
something bad, why the need to invade?

Back to that original question, would you let your kids invade your
privacy?  No?  How would that make you feel?  Violated?  Untrusted?
As if your kids were calling you a liar?  As if they were attacking
you?  But of course, it's a sign of LOVE when parents try to dig up
dirt on their kids, right?  Just not the other way around.  Why?  Is
it okay for adults to do bad things and hide them?  That's a good
lesson to teach.  Or maybe you're doing something behind your kids'
backs that you couldn't justify in light of what you've taught them?
Maybe it's just that kids are considered the property of their parents
until they turn 18?  And since they're property, they have no rights,
no mind, and only exist to serve their owners?  Kind of like slaves,
right?

For God's sake, let kids have free will!  Let them make mistakes so
they can learn from them!  Yeah, if they're making huge, felonious
mistakes, like trafficking methamphetamines in and out of the house,
stock-piling firearms, or building bombs, then for the love of God,
intervene!  If they're just writing stories about how they turn into
Godzilla and stomp all over the school though, that hardly qualifies.
:)


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Lucian Wischik wrote:

Yes... these people have a blurred vision of the line between fantasy
and reality. If it wasn't video game that confused the line farther, it
would have been television, music or even Shakespeare.

It doesn't matter what the media is... if it involves fantasy or
abstraction in any way... it will be misinterpreted. Now do we want to
get rid of all things that are creative or fantastic?


author: Otara

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 02:33:06 GMT, Kevin <[email]> wrote:

I've seen the same thing after people having carrots - correlation is
a tricky thing.  Might be that the reason they started taking drugs is
the same reason they decided to start kicking doors for instance.

Otara


author: CM

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"Lucian Wischik" <[email]> wrote in message
news:9lvut9$e2u$[email]...
roll

Suggested or proven? It was also suggested that it caused brain damage, was
addictive, and drained you of energy, none of which has ever been proven.


author: Clint Pross

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
[email] (Lucian Wischik) wrote in message news:<9lvut9$e2u$[email]>...

Marijuana has also been associated with getting girls to boink you,
although I always found it just made them sleepy and introspective.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On 22 Aug 2001 09:44:09 GMT, [email] (Lucian Wischik)
wrote:

http://www.nsf.org.uk/news_views/briefings/violence.html

"In a review of over 200 pieces of research into mental illness and
violence, researcher John Monahan concluded: "Compared to the
magnitude of risk associated with alcoholism and other drug abuse, the
risk associated with major mental disorders such as schizophrenia and
affective disorder is modest indeed."

Alcohol is also a depressant, and is considered to have a very strong
correlation with violent behaviour in Western societies.  Marijuana is
also, but much less so than alcohol.  This is not the same as
'causing' violence though.

Otara


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
In article <[email]>, James Garvin <[email]>
wrote:

Sounds like what happened to me the first time I stayed out all night.
It was the last time I stayed out all night until I was paying all my
own bills.


author: Acid Queen

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
In article <[email]>, [email]
says...

And how are you supposed to find out if they are trafficking drugs etc
if you never poke your nose into their business? Hope for divine
inspiration? Or assume they are going to announce casually over
breakfast "Oh BTW, Dad - thought I'd waste a few of the kids at school
today...." or perhaps "Gee, the last batch was so pure 20 people died
before we realized what was happening...."

AQ


author: Rich Goranson

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Unless, of course, you belong to a "non-traditional" religious group in which
case you get expelled, have your private property stolen and have to undergo
the first witch trial in the US in over a century. Just ask Brandi Blackbear.

Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA

Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the
strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. -- Thomas Paine


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
In article <[email]>, Adrian Jackson
<[email]> wrote:

How many children do you have?  I smell a disgruntled teenager here.

In fact, your choice to reduce everything to two extremes and exclude
the middle fairly screams it.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
In article <[email]>, rotten168 <[email]>
wrote:

By this argument, there should have been JUST AS MANY per-capita
mass-shootings in 1946-1951 in the USA as there were 1996-2001.  That
isn't the case.  Only a fool will just shrug his shoulders and say "Some
peeple r just krazee, d00D."  Something in US society has changed.  It's
not the fault of entertainment, but something has changed for the worse
between then and now.  Of course, other things have changed for the
better.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
rotten168 <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

I may be misreading, but you seem to be saying that it is impossible
to steer people with video games, but then admitting that it *is*
possible. Of course it is possible (and I agree with what you've
said).

Definitely not. No, what we need to do, is stop using the tv, vcr and
computer to babysit our children, and play an active role in their
lives. Dylan and Klebold were only able to do what they did, because
of the poor parenting they recieved.

We must also accept that any creative media can affect a oung, and
underformed mind/psyche/value system. Put that media out of their
reach or at least attempt to. 6 year olds shouldn't be playing quake
3, 8 year olds shouldn't be watching scream, and 12 year olds should
not be able to get a hold of dad's collection of hardcore pornography
collection.

Give your kids a chance to grow up, and at least TRY to keep adult
things out of their reach. "They'll find it anyway" is not a valid
excuse for not trying.

Andy


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 03:07:18 GMT, rotten168 <[email]> wrote:

Thats a theory.  you dont really know that for a fact.

Yes, yes I do ;).  I think thats whats called a leading question.   I
think this whole debate is a bit tricker than that, or it would have
been settled a while back.

Otara


author: tools-tech

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"rotten168" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Thats been tried before, again and again.  Like the book burnings of old,
there will probably someday be a nazi-style or communist-style CD burning
movement (and not the warez kind).  Then, once they realize that the problem
didn't go away, they'll move on to the next destroyer of children's minds...
Barney.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"CM" <[email]> wrote in message
news:9m120m$bsb8d$[email]...
'n'
LOL)
was

but the link between schizophrenia and thc HAS been proven, even though it
was only in the most extreme cases, it IS addictive and that HAS been
proven also. do a search on university research on THC and learn a little.
oh, and it IS a mild hallucinogen. abuse it enough and eventually you'll
see.
and are you saying smoking pot doesn't make you the least bit drowsy?!?!
smoke it and you'll FEEL the friggin energy drain! LOL

-Invader Zim


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
CM <[email]> wrote:

What sort of proof are you looking for? I remember a study of danish army
conscripts which showed a positive correlation between cannabis smoking
and schizophrenia, and am fairly sure it was causal. But not a very big
one. I don't know what sort of proof you're expecting out of "drain you of
energy" for a relaxant!


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:23:11 -0400, "Bryan J. Maloney"
<[email]> wrote:

Ad hominem.

If you ever come up with a valid counter-argument, let me know.


author: Jester

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
And the arguments of a parent are more valid than that of a teenager? Seems to me like both
sides are biased. And before you ask, I am a teenager, although I don't consider myself
disgruntled.

Yeah, that's something that people over 19 years of age never do. (-:

Seriously, though, I agree that there is a middle ground that needs to found, although where
exactly that is will be different for each child.

- Daniel


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"Bryan J. Maloney" wrote:

Does anyone have the numbers on mass shootings in America. A few studies
I've seen show that mass-shooting were at an all time low when Columbine
happened.


author: Falsadoom

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"Bryan J. Maloney" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Well I think population growth could be a big factor in that.

But I also think it's something allot deeper as the whole of society.

What has changed dramatically since the 50's?

1) A parent being home with their kids.
2) Faith based attendance.
3) A shift from everyone having a voice, to no one really having a voice.
4) "The mob" being replaced with corporations.
5) News media shifting from fair and objective, to a mouthpiece of who owns
them by spinning the issues. AOL owns CNN, Microsoft owns MSNBC, Rupert
Murdock is vying for DSS. Scary visions of the Illuminati anyone?
6) Increase in media violence which surprisingly enough are fed to kids via
the news and cartoons.

I could go on and on, but to only blame video games, to me not a very
accurate focus. It may be comforting for the parents of the ones who
committed the crime to shift their focus of blame from themselves, and their
children. And for the others seeking some sort of release and compensation
for their grief. But it probably has blinded them somewhat.

Bottom line is those are my opinions. I have no idea the merits or content
of the case and wouldn't try and judge the validity of it one way or
another. Because if it's about the industry marketing games that should have
had a stiffer rating, then I would say they have a case. A good one.
Especially in the current political climate.

Bottom line is we can sit here and speculate all day, and not know if the
case truly has merit or not.

Falsa


author: Plissken

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:06:50 -0400, "Bryan J. Maloney"
<[email]> wrote:

Yes, armaments have become cheap, accurate, faster, easier to get, and
more deadly than ever before.  Add to this that cities and suburbs
have become increasingly more crowded, and crazy people will have a
more profound effect on those around them than ever before.
It's too bad, but you'll NEVER get rid of all the nutjobs in the
world.  There will always be tons of them.  And yes, I am
college-educated (not a fool), and have been out of college long
enough to realize that there are, have been, and always will be, crazy
people in the world.  When I was in college, I used to think that
something or someone else was always to blame, too.  I've learned a
lot since then.  OF COURSE everyone has influences in their lives,
good and bad, but some people from bad homes surrounded by bad people
just can't break themselves out of a depressed/psychotic mindset, and
end up going apeshit.  It's a matter of symantics to call these people
"crazy" or "unfortunate" or "out of touch" or "disturbed" or
"influenced".  No matter what, it's always easy to go up the chain and
second-guess what caused them to do such horrible things.  The
difficult thing for most people to do is realize that you can only
ultimately truly blame the person who actually committed the crime.

Plissken


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"tools-tech" <[email]> babbled something about:

You're suggesting that if We let Them kill off Our video games, They might
also manage to kill of Barney?

Hmm.... decisions... decisions...


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"tools-tech" <[email]> wrote in message news:<YEFg7.141172$[email]>...

And in the meantime, you have the answer for societies problems? ;-)

Andy


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:11:34 +0200, "Invader Zim"
<[email]> wrote:

"Drug Abuse -- Drugs (including alcohol, tobacco, and street drugs)
themselves do not cause schizophrenia. However, certain drugs can make
symptoms worse or trigger a psychotic episode if a person already has
schizophrenia. Drugs can also create schizophrenia-like symptoms in
otherwise healthy individuals."

Otara


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"Invader Zim" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Vlsh7.22032$[email]...
proven.

LOL, no there is not any research that proves a link between thc and
schizophrenia, where did you get that idea and do you have any proof? And
extreme cases does not include the rant about Santa Ana and the Alamo :)
there was never a single shred of evidence to support that.

I have been getting high for over 9 years now and I've smoked it all, good
and bad. Yea, sometimes I get so mellow I get tired, but that is due to set
and setting more so than the drug. Oh, and I take it you "abused" it long
enough to know?

I've heard it said that some scientists classify marijuana as a
hallucinogen, but have you ever taken a hallucinogen? Worlds of difference,
pot does not produce visuals or distort audio (despite what Hollywood would
have you believe).


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"Lucian Wischik" <[email]> wrote in message
news:9m13kq$fg4$[email]...
was

I would have given him some proof but I was WAY too baked to really...

...hmmmm...

...is that a cookie?


author: Bryan J. Maloney

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
In article <[email]>, Adrian Jackson
<[email]> wrote:

Fine:  Children are not qualified to evaluate the raising of children.
The poster has later identified himself as being in the very age group
that he's demanding freedom for, thus introducing the possibility of
self-interest as the motive for his claim rather than the high-minded
language he adopted.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
In article <[email]>, Jester
<[email]> wrote:

Very often, it turns out that they are.  Teenagers usually know a great
deal less than they think they do--even moreso than somebody who has had
to pay all his own bills for a decade or two.  When I was 18, my father
was the stupidest man in the world.  By the time I turned 23, I was
astonished at how much he had learned in five short years.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
In article <Zx5h7.121320$[email]>,
"Falsadoom" <[email]> wrote:

Do you know what "per capita" means?

Is it accurate to just throw up one's hands and say "there are crazy
people, so nothing can be done"?


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
In article <[email]>, Plissken
<[email]> wrote:

Can you point out where I said "all"?  By your lack of logic, we should
simply avoid any sort of crime prevention, whatsoever, since it won't be
possible to prevent ALL crime.

For that matter, let's also outlaw vaccines.  They can't prevent ALL
infection of the organism they're meant to protect against.

Oh, and we might as well repeal all laws and do away with law
enforcement, too, since they can't capture ALL criminals.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"Andy" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
news:<YEFg7.141172$[email]>...
old,
burning
problem
minds...

yes, kill Barney! Death to the purple dinosaur! Vive le France! Vive le
Republique!

J.S.


author: Steven

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
*Sigh*

It's just sad a thread like this even has to exist.  Such a tragedy
like that never should have happened.....some parents should NEVER be
parents.

Steven


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Quite true. However, I would suggest that parents could just as possibly have self-interest
as the motive for wanting to be able to learn everything that their children are doing.
Knowing everything the children do would give them more power over the children, and wanting
power is as biasing a factor as wanting freedom. And that's not even addressing the cases
where the parents are first-time parents, in which case they have no more experience in
raising children than the children themselves.

- Daniel


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:13:43 -0400, "Bryan J. Maloney"
<[email]> wrote:

Doesnt that assume that the people arguing against him have no self
interest in arguing that older people are more mature? ;)

Otara


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Yes, parents often do know more than their children give them credit for. However, an
argument should be evaluated on its own merit, and not dismissed because it's coming from
someone younger. Just as parents aren't always wrong, neither are teenagers.

- Daniel


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:47:33 -0400, "Bryan J. Maloney"
<[email]> wrote:

So if two people give the exact same argument, the argument is
magically more valid if given by the one who has paid his own bills
the longest?

Woe be to us should some guy who's paid is own bills for 100 years
come in here and tells us we're all clowns with size 25 feet, rainbow
hair, and big red noses!  ;)


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"Bryan J. Maloney" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

There's some similar father's day prose that I will try and recite that is
very rough and I can't give credit to who wrote it...

When I was 3, I thought my father knew everything and could do anything.
When I was 8, I thought my father knew everything and might be able to do
some things.
When I was 12, I thought my father knew most things, but couldn't do very
much.
When I was 18, I thought my father didn't know anything, and couldn't do
anything.
When I was 23, I wasn't around enough to realize he knew allot more than I
gave him credit for.
When I was 30, I was calling him for advice.
When I was 60, I wish he was still around to give me advice.

Roughly recited by unknown writer.

Falsa


author: Ykalon Dragon

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:45:28 -0400, "Bryan J. Maloney"
<[email]> wrote:

He probably does. But a city with a population of 250 000 usually have
a higher crime rate than a city of 75 000 and yes that is "per
capita".


author: Lucian Wischik

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Bryan J. Maloney <[email]> wrote:

If population size and growth has no effect on the per-capita murder rate,
I'd be surprised. I'd expect a faster growing society to be less stable,
less settled, and so have more murders. I'd also expect that people who
moved from low-density to high-densitity living would not be used to it:
most would cope, but some would crack.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"Bryan J. Maloney" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Yes, didn't realize those figures were per capita. But I provided many
points to support some of the things in my opinion could possibly be a
factor.

Sure there are cases nothing can be done. You were generally pointing to an
increase and asking why it could increase. I don;t think simply saying the
world is just getting crazy is a scientific response to that.

Falsa


author: Invader Zim

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"Bryan J. Maloney" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I do believe you missed his point.

-Invader Zim


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Steven wrote:

Remember, they don't call it dope for nothing!


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Steven wrote:

Hooray!  We have a winner.  I'm thinking if your IQ matches your shoe
size you shouldn't have kids :-)


author: Ashikaga

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"Jester" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
However, an
it's coming from
teenagers.

Daniel, I know I am not your mother (that's a genderly impossible), but how
old are you?  ;-D  Anywayz, how about those teenage parents?

Ashikaga


author: Bromley

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Come on, he presents a reasonable point and all you can do is come up
with a ridiculous example.  Bryan's point was that a person who has
(a) lived longer and (b) experienced more of the realities of life
(ie. earning money, paying bills etc.) MAY be more qualified to
express an opinion on a subject.  He even supplies a relevant example
from his own life, which means at the very least it's true for him.

If Alexander the Great and your Aunt Flo gave you the exact same
argument for invading Persia, I still think Alexander's would be more
valid because of his experience.  (Oh no, I just gave a ridiculous
example :) )


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
In article <[email]>, Adrian Jackson
<[email]> wrote:

What's the topic of the argument?  Or are you intentionally pretending
to be obtuse?  People who have had to live on their own devices for
several years are much more likely to understand the way life works
out--they're much less prone to paint all social situations in terms of
pure "enemies" and pure "friends" with no middle ground.  An adult who
does this is very often considered neurotic (imagine having to share an
apartment with James Carville & Rush Limbaugh at the same time!).  A
teenager who does this is merely being a teenager.

Learning and understanding subtlety and shades of meaning and
relationship takes time.  The teenager who really understands that the
vast majority of the world does NOT fall into the "friend" or "enemy"
camp is rare and probably had to deal with a lot of tragedy compared to
most teenagers.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] wrote:

And these mass-shootings are occuring in smaller towns, not in the big
cities with high crime rates.  And the overall per capita violent crime
rate has been declining.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On 23 Aug 2001 13:57:52 GMT, [email] (Lucian Wischik)
wrote:

Problem with this theory is that many of the shootings arent happening
in big cities.

Also doesnt really explain why its so much a US phenomenon.  Not
unique to there but far more common.

Otara


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"Lucian Wischik" <[email]> wrote in message
news:9m3250$56c$[email]...

That is a good point too. You can't really look at a town of 10 and then a
town of 10,000 and expect the same conditions or security to exist. Not what
I had in mind in my rebuttle but when you mention it, very good point.

Falsa


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Well, you can blame the religious right for that. This is what happens when you
live in a society which forces unsuitable parents to carry unwanted children to
term. If there wasn't such a huge social stigma against abortion in this
country you'd see less of this...as the Donohue/Levitt study has conclusively
proven.

Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA

Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the
strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. -- Thomas Paine


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:41:16 -0600, James Garvin <[email]> wrote:

Easy to blame the parents isnt it?  Because then you can think it
could never happen to you.

Otara


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
17, about to turn 18. Why?

When you say teenage parents, what age range are you talking about? It makes a big
difference whether they're 13, or 19. In relation to this argument, though, by the time the
children are old enough to have an argument about the parents invading their privacy, the
parents won't be teenagers anymore.

- Daniel


author: DemilinX

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Let me begin my apologizing if my comment does not further the discussion,
but this comment stood out and provoked a desire to share.

"Bryan J. Maloney" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I came upon this realization in full effect I believe about a year ago when
I had just turned 17.  I had gone through some rough experiences at the time
(death of close ones, events that disturbed my ethics, etc.) but I would say
my life has been mostly easy.   It was not an earth-shattering revelation
but nonetheless it was a bit startling.  I suppose it wasn't too surprising
due to that I had thought in terms of relativeness or "greyness" for a few
years by that point and not in absolute "black and white".  Only recently
have I come to appreciate the ideal thought process of young children who
see things such as killing or theft as always wrong regardless of the
situation.  It may only be due to the words of their parents but I find it
an astonishing display of absolute thinking.  The world may be "grey" to
some but I am predicting that it is in reality a mixture of absoluteness and
relativity.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Either that or they aren't as stupid as most teenagers are thought to be.

- Daniel


author: Damocles

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:31:12 GMT, Otara <[email]> wrote:

Yes, it's better to say it's society's fault and enact laws to control
video game content. That'll fix everything right quick.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
I found it interesting that no-one mentions the availability of guns
until post 22.  Wherever you stand on the gun control debate, I'd have
thought that it would be acknowledged that it is easier for someone
who is unbalanced to commit this sort of crime if they have access to
guns.

It's all risk/rewards situation.  Are you willing to take the risk of
x happening because you want y.  Are you willing to take the risk that
disturbed people will get their hands on guns for the benefit of your
right to bear arms.  It's not "wrong" to say that you are willing to
take that risk, it's just how you feel.

Obviously, the fact that they could get their hands on the guns does
not explain why they did it, but it is a part of the "Real Reason for
Columbine".  I know that Switzerland manages to combine high gun
ownership/availability with low gun crime, but let's face it, the US
is not (socially) Switzerland.  As to the "why", IMHO it's likely to
be the promotion of the cult of the indiviual over family and
community, but that's an unqualified opinion.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"Jester" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
for.
dismissed because
neither are
how

It was supposed to be a witty joke....

makes a big
though, by the time the
their privacy, the

You begin to sound like Jenny.

Ashikaga


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"DemilinX" <[email]> babbled something about:

Absolutely.

As an example, many people feel that it is "right" to kill in certain
situations. It's "right" to steal in certain situations. Obviously killing
and stealing have relative values of morality.

But when is it ever "right" to rape someone?


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
"DemilinX" <[email]> wrote in message
news:8a0i7.7396$[email]...
when
time
say
surprising
and

It is a mixture of both.  Most of us "good people" who would never have the
thought of stealing or things of that nature fall into that narrow
relativity "center" part of the spectrum.  A simple black and white, or as I
prefer, the 0 or 1 ideology is just a naive view, or perhaps, the person has
been raised up in a society so disenchanted, there seems to be only 0 or 1.

Yes, I am with you.  I also have come to appreciate the ideal of young
children to see stuffs so easily as absolutely good and evil, but we've
passed that stage and there is no way we can return to it.  I would really
appreciate the others to respect people who still can enjoy their lives with
simpleness.  I know they probably think they are spreading a wonderful
gospel of their newly discovered "dark truth of human lives" but I think it
is kind of depressing.  I am not sure how many of you want to live in
depression, but I for one don't.

Ashikaga


author: Otara

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:09:37 GMT, Damocles <[email]>
wrote:

Not by itself it wont.  But there is a line to be drawn, the only
argument is where and when.  Sooner or later it will be technically
possible to have photorealistic games that simulate rape, torture,
mass murder, paedophilia etc etc, and the effects of those games on
children would concern me greatly.  Most of those game types are
currently censored in most countries, its only the mechanism by which
that happens that changes.  Murder is OK for now, but I suspect that
wont last for much longer as the games get more realistic.

OTOH we still have any number of activities that are also quite
violent and can even involve physically injuring the opposition (ie
football, boxing and the like), and to regulate videogames while
allowing them to continue would seem like rather blatant hypocrisy to
me.

Thats the problem really,  trying to make it simple 'it was the
videogames'.  'no its not its the parents', 'no it was the guns'.  Etc
etc etc.   Really it needs to be of everything, and the real debate
should be more about how much of each, rather than whether any of them
apply at all

Otara


author: Paul Krenske

subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
On 27 Aug 2001 17:54:02 GMT, [email] (Knight37) wrote:

Ahh, Where a crime has a possible survival value attached then there
is a relative moral valuation on the crime. 'Yes I killed that man but
he was about to kill me with that machette' is a good example.

Where a crime has no possible survival value attached then there is a
absolute moral valuation on the crime. 'any crime committed in a
malicious manner for self enjoyment or pure self advancement with no
perceivable survival reasoning is wrong' ie rape or stealing simply
for monetary gain when the additional money has nothing to do with
survival (most white collar crime).

Of course there is some moral ambiguity about the term 'stealing'
based on the legal status of ownership especially in the area of
intellectual property rights. Napster etc.


subject: Re: The Real Reason for Columbine

text:
Well, there was that bit in Judges 19...and Isaiah 13.

Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA

Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the
strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. -- Thomas Paine


author: Charles Johnston

subject: Re: Printer forums?

text:
Are you teasing us?

Do you mean a printer discussion forum _besides_ the one you posted this
message in?


author: Edward Haines

subject: Re: Printer forums?

text:
Try http://www.dpreview.com/forums/, in particular
Epson Talk and Printers and Printing.

Ted Haines

nlam wrote:


author: nlam

subject: Re: Printer forums?

text:
Yes, that's exactly what I mean.  Besides this newgroup.

Norman

"Charles Johnston" <[email]> wrote in message
news:3bf4c075$[email]...


author: Stan

subject: Disaster recovery

text:
Right now we have 2 machines of same configuration in a veritas cluster,
one being the primary and other being hot standby for primary box.
Besides this, we have raid 5 disk array hooked on to primary box and it
gets export/imported to hot standby when primary box fails over (veritas
clustering), redundant controller/power supply etc. etc. so we have a HA
with a resilience of 5-10mins downtime if either box fails. (8.1.7.4 /
solaris 8.0)

However, the above strategy still exposes failures from media corruption
(via controller or due to disk array), problems with veritas cluster,
catastrophe in data facility, etc. etc.

I know remote standby databases are the ones that comes to mind
immediately (dataguard, when we get 9i), what approach one would take to
implement this.

i'm kind of leaning towards having a remote standby with manual recovery
mode and have archive logs ship to remote site via rsync/secure, as and
when it generates (every half hour) and apply archive logs to standby
once in 6hrs via scripts.

any comments are appreciated.

thanks


author: Mark Townsend

subject: Re: Disaster recovery

text:
in article [email], Stan at [email] wrote on
2/5/03 7:19 PM:

Not sure why you would want to manually configure this, when it's just a
Physical Standby with delayed apply. Any reason you don't want to use
Dataguard ?


subject: Re: Disaster recovery

text:
Mark,

couple of reasons for non-managed mode is that,

1. we have control over the time lag in applying archive log to remote
standby's thereby minimizing the chances of data corruption being pushed
to standby. however, we still have archive logs pushed to remote site,
its only that, apply them every 6hrs intervals.

2. besides, we have few databases on std. edition and couple of them in
ent. editions. so, managed recovery mode is not a option for databases
on std. edition.

we are yet to upgrade to 9iR2, where dataguard becomes more appropriate
than a standby.

Stan

Mark Townsend wrote:


author: William P.N. Smith

subject: Battery for treo 270?

text:
My wife's Treo 270 won't sync up to the network, won't finish
charging, and  the battery goes from 100% to nearly flat in a few
hours just sitting on the desk.

I'm not bad with electronics, is it fairly simple to get a new battery
pack and install it?  Where can I get one from?

Thanks!


author: Jim Anderson

subject: Re: Battery for treo 270?

text:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:58:11 -0500, William P.N. Smith <> said...

$49usd here <http://www.handspringbattery.com/>
with install instructions.

Have you tried a soft reset in the cradle? Fixes some battery charging
problems?


subject: Re: Battery for treo 270?

text:
Jim Anderson <[email]_finger.net> wrote:

That did it, many thanks!  Saved me a $50 repair on a device "worth"
$100 new!


subject: Re: Battery for treo 270?

text:
Jim Anderson <[email]_finger.net> wrote:

I just did that, I'll leave it charging overnight.  Thanks!

[FedEx lied, the Treo 600 didn't make it here today.  Grumble,
grumble]


author: Howell Parry

subject: WANTED: Panasonic CR-504-B CD driver

text:
Does anyone know where I can get the DOS and/or Windows drivers for
the Panasonic/Mitsushita CR-504-B CD drive?

If possible, could you reply via e-mail.

Any info would be appreciated,

Thanks,

Howell Parry.

**************************************************************
Howell Parry, Ascent Systems Software Ltd, Manchester, England

E-mail: [email]
**************************************************************


author: John Dulak

subject: USR Modem dead after Flash

text:
Group:

I attempted to upgrade the firmware on an external US Robotics 5686-D
Modem and now have a paper weight.

USR's "Modem Identification Utility" reported it as a model 568604; the
label calls it a USR5686-D. USR's web site and email from support claims
the file
"5686.03.04.05.D.E-v5.4.62.exe" is the correct firmware upgrade so I
downloaded it. This is supposed to be a "Windows Stand Alone Flasher".

Running this file gives the error message:

"Error 0 Running command fflash.exe".

If I unpack the above archive using PKunzip I get the files:
- fflash.exe
- flashfile.ini
- 5686.03.04.05.D.E-v5.4.62.dmf.
Running Fflash.exe gives the error message:

"Linked to missing export kernel32.dll set process affinity mask."

At this point I installed USR's "Modem Control Center" from the CD that
came with the modem. On running, it detected the modem and would allow
me
to adjust various parameters and use a terminal window to talk to the
modem. It also had a "Flash from Disk" option that asked for the
location of a .DMF file so I pointed it to
"5686.03.04.05.D.E-v5.4.62.dmf" and clicked OK. The progress bar moved
along and in a few minutes I got a "Completed Successfully" message and
clicked OK. I then went to the terminal function of Control Center and
tried to verify that the firmware version had changed to 5.4.62. I got
NO response from the modem.

Thinking things just needed to be reset and restarted I exited
everything, closed down Windows (95OSR2) and powered off the PC and the
modem for a minute or so. On restart I still can't get any response from
the modem and Control Center can no longer detect the modem. The modem
itself also acts differently when turned on. The "CS" LED used to stay
on when the modem was powered up, now it only flashes dimly.

I realize the chances of recovering the thing are slim but if anyone has
any suggestions I am willing to try and have nothing to lose. Even if
there is no fix I sure would like to know what I did wrong to avoid
future problems and maybe learn a thing or two.

           John Dulak


author: Franc Zabkar

subject: Re: USR Modem dead after Flash

text:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:13:56 -0500, John Dulak <[email]> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Try Sportster Modem Flasher:
http://flasher.webzone.ru/smf.html

- Franc Zabkar


subject: Re: USR Modem dead after Flash

text:
Franc Zabkar wrote:

Frank:

Thanks for the link, but I've already found "Sportster Modem Flasher"
and It will not even acknowledge that a modem is connected to the serial
port :-(. Is there something I am missing?

                 John


author: MasterBlaster

subject: Re: USR Modem dead after Flash

text:
"John Dulak" wrote

Have you tried another serial cable?

My Courier was working fine until one day *click*, it disconnected from
the Net, and like you, the normal number of LEDs wasn't on. I could still
send it commands though, but it wouldn't dial or connect. Turns out one
of the internal wires right by the modem-end plug was broken, and the
smallest bit of flexing would make the errant LED come back on, but only
temporarily. Bought another $10 cable, and everything's working again.

As for the bad flash part, good luck.


subject: Re: USR Modem dead after Flash

text:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:55:19 -0500, John Dulak <[email]> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Would the modem still be under warranty?

- Franc Zabkar


subject: Re: USR Modem dead after Flash

text:
MasterBlaster, Frank:

I have not tried a new cable and find it hard to believe the cable
failed within seconds of the Flash procedure.

The modem was bought used and is long out of warrenty. Thank goodness I
didn't pay much.

Anything else I should try with SMF besides just running it? The FAQ
mentions grounding pin 3 on the EPROM but is vauge about whether this is
done momentairly or continually. It also mentions selecting Line 1, line
3 and line 1 again. Any idea what they are talking about?

-----

Just tried Grounding Pin 3 On the EPROM during power on and I now get a
BOOT response from the modem!! Some progress anyway. SMF now finds the
modem but gives a message about the compatiblity of the SSF file and the
modem ID string. The FAQ states:

" In the beginning - having serviceable "native" firmware is a good
idea. Download the latest version of SMF, to start, click on first, then
second, then on the first line again. The second line will be replaced
with "Pro mode activated". It will stop checking for compatibility
(SMF.ICL file)."

Any idea what this first, second, first line business to enter "Pro"
mode refers to??

                  John


author: Art Jackson

subject: Re: USR Modem dead after Flash

text:
John Dulak wrote:
If you get the Boot Prompt, try sending ATGM to the modem to take it out
of flash mode. Good luck.


subject: Re: USR Modem dead after Flash

text:
"John Dulak" wrote

That's what one of my dead internals said when I rescued it from the dumpster.
Just "Boot>".

It tries to figure out what kind of modem it is (if it can) and looks up the info
in the file SMF.ICL.  If the modem's ID string doesn't match the cross-referenced
flash file you're trying to use, it will tell you so. That's to keep people from killing
their modem by accident.

Since yours is already dead, bypass the checking with "Pro mode".

What, you don't speak semi-translated Russian?

Run flasher.exe

Click on "Welcome To Sportster Modem Flasher"
"No more troubles..." changes to "Sure in your skill?"

Double click "Sure in your skill?"
"Welcome...." changes to "Flash on your own risk!".

Click on "Flash on your own risk!".
"Sure in your skill?" changes to "Protection is removed."

It will now accept any attempt to use a wrong "non-native" flash code,
and you can experiment with whichever one you want.


subject: Re: USR Modem dead after Flash

text:
MasterBlaster wrote:

  <Snip>

MasterBlaster:

THAT DIT IT!!! I now have my modem back. Though as a 568603 instead of
the original 568604, but it WORKS now. Thanks a bunch.

The most discouraging part of all of this is that I could get into so
much trouble using USR's tools and following USR's directions. They have
lost a good deal of credibility with me.

Anyone know what the difference is between the two models or where I can
find a .SFF or .DMF file for a 568604.

Thanks again.

               John Dulak


subject: Re: USR Modem dead after Flash

text:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:49:21 -0500, John Dulak <[email]> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

I could be wrong, but USR's filename, "5686.03.04.05.D.E-v5.4.62.dmf",
suggests that the same binary code is used in the 03, 04, 05, D, and E
versions of the 5686 modem.

- Franc Zabkar


subject: Re: USR Modem dead after Flash

text:
Franc Zabkar wrote:

Franc:

I noticed the same thing but using that file was what got me into
trouble in the first place.

                 John


subject: Re: USR Modem dead after Flash

text:
John Dulak wrote:

I think what Franc implied was that the firmware is the same for all
those models, starting with the 568603. There is an update file here,
ftp://ftp.usr.com/updates/archive/     that will flash your modem to the
latest firmware version. The update file confirms what Franc was saying.
Good luck.


subject: Re: USR Modem dead after Flash

text:
Franc, Art:

Well. I downloaded the file "00568603ud.exe" from the USR FTP server and
ran it. It did flash the firmware on my modem but the modem reverted to
"Paper Weight" mode afterwards:-((. I had to open the thing up (again),
ground pin 3 on the EPROM, then run SMF to get it functional.

USR has lost even more crediblity with me. I am not even interested in
reporting this to them. Their "Email a Technician" only get me
restatments of the information on the website and has been NO HELP WHAT
SO EVER with this problem or a previous problem with using PULSE
dialing.

                    John


subject: Re: USR Modem dead after Flash

text:
John Dulak wrote:
Did it leave the modem with a <boot> prompt? If so, then use a terminal
program to issue the command ATGM to the modem. I have used the *ud.exe
files on my external 178602 several times. Each time it flashes the
modem, it leaves it in the <boot> state. Issueing the ATGM command
restores it back to normal operation. Worth a try, it works for me.
Good luck.


author: Logan Lindquist

subject: Array resizing

text:
What's the best way to take a byte array that is (1,256,256) and make it a byte array that is just (256, 256)? Looping would seem to take a while. I can't figure out at this moment of a way to store the x and y into temp variables and then recopy them into another byte array. Maybe there is something that will just get rid of the damn 1, without doing either.

gracias, grazie, danke, merci, agradeça-o

Logan


author: David Fanning

subject: Re: Array resizing

text:
Logan Lindquist ([email]) writes:

a = Bytarr(1, 256, 256)
b = Reform(a)

Cheers,

David


author: Liam Gumley

subject: Re: Array resizing

text:
Logan Lindquist wrote:

Try the REFORM function.

Cheers,
Liam.
Practical IDL Programming
http://www.gumley.com/


subject: Re: Array resizing

text:
Thanks Liam and David !
  "Logan Lindquist" <[email]> wrote in message news:9suqq0$14k$[email]...
  What's the best way to take a byte array that is (1,256,256) and make it a byte array that is just (256, 256)? Looping would seem to take a while. I can't figure out at this moment of a way to store the x and y into temp variables and then recopy them into another byte array. Maybe there is something that will just get rid of the damn 1, without doing either.

  gracias, grazie, danke, merci, agradeça-o

  Logan


subject: changing date format on Solaris

text:
Hi all

I would like to change the date time format output for Solaris to
display a 2 digit year instead of a 4 digit year.
I am trying to change the LC_TIME variable, which is currently set at
the default of en_US.ISO-8859-1.
I tried changing this to en_UK, or to en_US.UTF-8
which no change in the output of the 'date' command.

Does anyone know what to do?

thanks
Deevan


author: Thomas Tornblom

subject: Re: changing date format on Solaris

text:
Is this what you're after:
---
spiff:~ (212)> date
Sat Jun 14 12:45:40 MEST 2003
spiff:~ (213)> alias date date \"+%a %b %e %T %Z %y\"
spiff:~ (214)> date
Sat Jun 14 12:45:52 MEST 03
---

Unless you you alter the LC_TIME locale, I don't think you will get a
two digit year with a standard date.

Thomas


author: DJ

subject: Re: changing date format on Solaris

text:
did you reboot the server?

"yy343" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


subject: Re: changing date format on Solaris

text:
I didn't reboot the server after changing LC_TIME; I can see if I can try that.

The second reply may work - thanks
Deevan


author: Bob

subject: Is it the ozone? An Epson 1270 color shift report on 7 different papers

text:
A week ago, I started a color shift test to try to find a glossy paper that
prints well on the 1270, and doesn't suffer the dreaded Orange Shift that the
Epson Premium Gloss does.  The Epson prints were made on the appropriate
paper settings, all other used the Photo Quality Film setting, as recommended
by their manufacturers.  All prints were made at 720dpi, high speed off,
microweave on.	The prints were stacked with sheets of plain copier paper in
between, and "cured" for 24 hours before being exposed to the elements.  The
following was posted to the Epson-inkjet mailing list earlier today, and has
also been sent to Epson directly:

(Editor's note:  These prints were actually place *inside* the ducting of my
AC system,  within 12 inches of the air filter.  Electronic air filters are
supposed to be prime generators of ozone.)


author: Jay A

subject: Re: Is it the ozone? An Epson 1270 color shift report on 7 different papers

text:
Whatever the reason for the color shift, I would say that there should be
SOME kind of compensation from Epson for those of us who bought these
printers on the assumption that print longevity would be greatly improved
over what was obtained from previous printers such as the 1200. I for one,
replaced my 1200 because I thought I would get longer lasting prints from
the 1270. That was the only reason. In reality, I got better prints from the
1200 because my 1270 has a tendency to show banding in the sky. If I knew
then what I know now, I would never have gotten rid of the 1200.

Jay

Bob <[email]> wrote in message
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author: Gary Eickmeier

subject: Re: Is it the ozone? An Epson 1270 color shift report on 7 different  papers

text:
Let's try the Canon papers before it's all over with. Canon Photo Paper Pro and
Canon High Gloss Photo Film. They have the nicest gloss of all the papers, and
Nai Chi has had great luck with them.

Gary Eickmeier


author: Richard

text:
Good work, but how about one final test involving car
exhaust fumes ?

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author: Skydog

text:
Thank you for your efforts -- I've been reading with great interest!  What a
disappointment (I've had my 1270 just one week).  The results are stunning,
but worthless with any color change.

I don't hold much hope in Epson fessing up and making some changes, but who
knows......<sigh>

Thank you,

-Pat-


author: Nai-Chi Lee

text:
In article <8kbej6$qrh$[email]>, Bob  <[email]> wrote:
...

Bob, I have done similar experiment and obtained results similar to yours.
But I cannot draw the conclusion that "it's the ozone".  Let's look at
your test conditions and results for PGPP:

1. High ozone concentration + circulating air + no light = moderate shift
2. Low ozone concentration + circulating air + room light = major shift
3. No circulating air + direct sunlight = very slight change
4. No circulating air + room light = no change

As a scientist/researcher/engineer/whatever, I would eliminate ozone as
a factor based on the above observations.  Instead, I would say exposure
to circulating air is the number one factor, followed by exposure to
strong light.  Naturally, the combination air flow and light will induce
the most rapid orange-shift.


text:
In article <8kcmrn$5tl$[email]>,
  "Jay A" <[email]> wrote:
be
improved
one,
from
from the
knew

Contact Epson customer support.  Epson has provided 2 black and 2 color
carts to people who complained, offered to by back Epson Premium Glossy
paper, and even offered to buy back the printer.  I think that's pretty
reasonable.  I'd rather have prints that didn't color shift, but clearly
the solution to that won't come just by wishing for it.


author: Richard T. Cunningham

subject: Mercury 32 Puzzle with two local domains

text:
I'm confused on how to separate users when I have two local domains.

I have both domains listed as local domains in the core/local domains
tab.

Here's the problem:

[email] and [email] both go into the joe mailbox
regardless of which domain it is.

I have no problem making an alias for two different mailboxes when the
same user name exists for both domains. The problem is, I don't want
to have to alias every user name when it only exists for one domain.
Do I make sense?

As far as I can tell, the limitation is that the user name cannot have
the @domain1.com appended to it under Mercury 32 (which is kind of
silly because all versions of Windows above 3.11 can handle long
filenames).

What's the best solution?


author: Nomad

subject: Re: Mercury 32 Puzzle with two local domains

text:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:25:57 -0700, Richard T. Cunningham
<[email]> wrote:

Unfortunately, that's the way Mercury currently works with mulitple
domains -- all the domians are accessible to all users, as the user
"database" is just a flat schema.  If you need the same username in
different domains, you have to use aliases as you mentoined above.

However, preventing mail for a valid user coming in from the wrong
domain is tricky as there's no "builtin" way to stop it.  Again,
aliases are probably the best way to fix it, but it's still alot of
configuration for something that isn't usually much of an issue in
most cases -- most people are worried about making sure legitimate
mail gets in, not preveting it from coming in through the "wrong
door".

Better (or some would say "true") multi-domain support is being worked
on at the "scribbling on paper and scratching the head" stage for some
future release, but I can't even give the slightest guess as to when
or which version it'll be included.

Laters


author: tym

text:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:16:41 +0200, Nomad <nomad***@***absamail.co.za>
wrote:

OT I know - but talking of new version s - any guess at to 3.33? or
greater?
Tym

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text:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:16:41 +0200, Nomad <nomad***@***absamail.co.za>
wrote:

Thank you! I've read every scrap of info in the help files and needed
to confirm I wasn't crazy (and overlooked something).


author: MegaWatt

subject: Mass Binhexing

text:
Is there an alternative to fcnvt that would allow me to binhex all files
in a directory? This would be very helpful.

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author: Kenneth Mitton

subject: Re: Mass Binhexing

text:
Maybe a shell script that runs fcnvt on every file in a dir? I don't know
how to write it, but I've seen it done.
	--Ken

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author: Fred Condo

subject: Re: Mass Binhexing

text:
In article <3677us$[email]>, [email]
(Kenneth Mitton) wrote:

Howsabout something like....

#!/bin/ksh
# convert any AppleDouble files to AppleSingle
for file in $(file * | egrep double | cut -f1 -d ':')
do
        fcnvt -i double -s $file TMP
        mv TMP $file
done
# now convert the files to BinHex
for file in $(file * | egrep single | cut -f1 -d ':')
do
        fcnvt -b $file $file
        print "Converted $file"
done


author: Alex Oren

subject: Re: There are many ways, but this is the best...

text:
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:15:16 -0500, "SsZERO" <[email]> wrote:

} Allan Liedtke wrote in message <[email]>...
} >
} >> SsZERO wrote:
} >> No, this is linear as far as I'm concerned.  Doesn't matter what you do
} >> to the numbers between 100-0 or 10-0, it will always be confined to that
} >> fixed path. If you were to GRAPHICALLY represent that sequence, you
} >> would use a number LINE.
} >
} >We have a winner!!  An all expense paid trip back into high school math
} >classes!!
} >
} >The equation for his countdown is X^2.  Any graphing calculator can show
} >a disbeliever that this is a NON-LINEAR function.  Think before you
} >speak!
}
} Amazing. You'd believe anything a graphing calculator tells you.
} You are completely missing the point of what I am interested in. Please try again.

Let me suggest my own non-linear countdown (fixed font please):

  9           3
    8       4   2
      7   5       1
        6           0

or even (counter-clock-wise countdown?):

     9
   8   2
  7     3
   6   4
     5

Another non-linear countdown would be the non-ancestral fluffy feathers of a
nobleman :-)

Admittedly, this has nothing to do with math or linear *equations*, but limiting
yourself to a single domain is, in itself, linear thinking...

BTW, the original statement was:
} Thinking linearly will ultimately get you nowhere.


author: Heiko Blume

subject: zlink & kermit wont do BREAKS correctly / DD Docs available ?

text:
did anyone else have problems with sending BREAKs with z-link ?
telling from the modems LEDs it looks like a normal char or a *very* short
break...dosnt work anyway.
kermit (3.79, version 3.82 posted recently doesnt work, although the ez-install
reported no errors....) does send a break, but it drops DTR ... that causes
the modem to hang up. i'm not goin to tell the modem to ignore DTR since
proline wants it.
btw, kermit cant keep up with 19200bps, z-link does. on the other hand z-links
'vt100' has bad bugs/incompatibilities, seems like it scrolls the screen when
vttest (a prgm to test vt100s) writes to the last screen position !

sth else: what does DDD Pro do when i select 'optimize a disk' ???
i wont try it out on my harddisk...
a documentation would be nice to have.


author: David Whitney

subject: Re: zlink & kermit wont do BREAKS correctly / DD Docs available ?

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Heiko Blume) writes:

I know of this problem and will fix it. It is actually sending an ascii 0.

I fixed that bug. What version of Z-Link are you using? The last version I
posted survived all 80-column tests made by vttest. 132 column stuff doesn't
act right, but Z-Link won't bomb (as others are claimed to do).

I am glad to hear that Z-Link holds out at 19,200. I had no way of testing
it at that speed.

David Whitney, MIT '90                     Still learning about my Apple //GS
{out there}!harvard!think!whitney          and all of its secrets. Any and all
[email]                          technical info appreciated.
DISCLAIMER: If they only knew what I was doing and saying here...


author: Doug Brandon

text:
The optimize a disk function simply writes zero's to the unused blocks
of a disk.  When files on a disk are deleted, the actual data on the disk
isnt erased, just the directory entry.  Zeroing the unused blocks can
many times make the disk pack much better.  Optimizing any disk which
isnt going to be packed is pretty pointless.


author: Jason

text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (Heiko Blume) writes:
   ^ Ein andere (sp?) pastry? :)

	DDD Pro, and the rest of the packers that I know about, read the
block allocation bitmap on a device, and zero the unused blocks. This makes
for significantly better packing (as there's much more "similar data", which
is how all packing algorithms that I'm aware of work), and doesn't hurt "real"
ProDOS disks (or whatever), as it doesn't affect the files on the disk. I
personally wouldn't recommend using any of the packer's "optimize" functions,
as some of the programming in them is pretty shoddy, and I wouldn't doubt that
some/all of them wouldn't properly handle a large device (like a hard drive).

	For real (in the general sense, anyways) optimization, Glen Bredon's
"Beach Comber" program defragments (moves all the pieces of a file together
to make access to the file quicker) ProDOS devices. I've never heard about it
failing (I have a friend with an 80 Meg HD and a bbs - he uses it pretty
frequently), but Mr. Bredon does recommend backing up one's HD before using
his program. As I understand it, Beach Comber is part of the ProSel utilities.
Sorry, I don't know about addresses or anything like that - someone here
probably does.

	Jason - Not your average iconoclast.

"His mother was apoplectic, but the parking lot was his to keep until his
hair grew back..."


author: Tim Knight/CT

subject: 7011-230

text:
Just received the above today.....now I have one of each.

This one has obviously been set up as a diskless workstation (I
think)......no sign of a hard drive ever having been installed.

There is 1 MCA adapter that I will pass along to whomever needs it .
It is a DBI P/N 30001404 Rev. G which I believe is an async
adapter......it has 2 db15f ports.

Any takers? ([email])

CT of Aix fame


author: IBMMuseum

subject: Re: 7011-230

text:
Hi CT,
     Two *HDB-15F* ports (they look like a standard VGA connector).
Your guess is correct, it is an RS-6K-only async adapter. I dunno if
it needs a break-out box or not.
                           David
                           [email]