author: [redacted]

subject: Re: DDS Referencing question

text:
"Brett" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

This should be enough in your new DDS.
     A          R RECORD                    FORMAT(FILE)
Where RECORD is the existsing record format of the existing file called
FILE.


author: Jonathan Ball

subject: Re: DDS Referencing question

text:
Brett wrote:

Three ways spring to mind.

1.  CRTDUPOBJ command

2.  In SQL, run the statement CREATE TABLE newtable
LIKE oldtable

     NOTE:  you need to be at (at least) V5R1 for this
SQL option
     to work; possibly even V5R2

3.  CPYF command using the CRTFILE(*YES) option


author: Roger

subject: Re: DDS Referencing question

text:
On the Record Format of the new file use the keyword
FORMAT(library/filename),
where library/filename is the Physical File you want to duplicate.

Brett <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
: I am wanting to create a work file that looks exactly like a physical
: that already exists.  I am wanting to know if there is a way to create
: a physical file, referencing another physical, without having to
: define the actual fields in the work physical file. just references.
: The reason I am doing it this way is to keep us from having to
: manipulate our change management software in order to compile the RPG
: and I do not want to maintain two identicle sources.
:
: I know that I can reference at field level, I just am not sure I can
: do it at the file level.
:
: Thanks for any help,
: Brett


author: Bert

subject: Re: DDS Referencing question

text:
Hi,

You better use FILEA in your program, and in a CL before it, issue CRTDUPOBJ
or CPYF, and issue OVRDBF from FILEA to FILEB.

That way, you don't need a FILEB in your database during compile time, and
you can use QTEMP to store FILEB in runtime.

"Brett" <[email]> schreef in bericht
news:[email]...


author: Simon Wong

subject: RE: Help with listener

text:
Hi,

I was wondering if it is possible to detect changes in a Vector? For example
a way to determine if a new element as been added to the vector.
Your advise would be much appreciated.

Regards,
Simon


author: Ingo Pakleppa

subject: RE: Help with listener

text:
On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:01:13 -0700, Simon Wong wrote:

Not a vector, but if you have a List instead, you can. The trick is to
implement your own implementation of that interface and use it. Vector is
a class, so you can't do that. I believe it is actually final, so you
can't derive from it, either.


author: Bill Nickel

subject: Re: Help with listener

text:
You could wrap a Vector and detect changes that way.

Class FooVector
{
     private Vector m_myVector;

     .
     .
     .

     public void addElement(Object o)
     {
	 // your add event code here..
          m_myVector.addElement(o);
     }
}

You would then have to write all the methods that correspond to what you
normally can do with a Vector.

Ingo Pakleppa wrote:


author: David Corn

subject: Re: Hmmm... I think this line of thinking is wrong... (was Re: An example of how overzealousness can hurt...

text:
On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:30:54 GMT, [email] wrote:

As I've said, I haven't been downloading the sourcefiles to make them.
I've been downloading the RPMs.

DC


author: seepeejay

subject: Norstar Voicemail

text:
Hi,

I've got a 4 port Norstar NAM Voicemail in place and recently we
implemented CCR to direct calls as they come in. Unfortunatly unaware
of the limitation of the 4 ports which are also used by voicemail
users, alot of the calls are getting redirected to reception or
ringing for quite awhile before a port is availible for a caller.

What i'm trying to find out is what my options are for allowing more
people onto the system, I've gotten a quote from bell saying 2
additional ports are 3600 and 4 additional ports are 6700.
Unfortunatly this is a little (slightly alot) out of our budget.

Is there a cheaper alternative to allowing daytime CCR and users
connecting to voicemail to play nice with each other? could a full
upgrade of the voicemail system all together be more economical? and
how much would it involve to configure the new one to act like that
old system (not retain messages, but just reprogram the same
extentions).

I'd be grateful for any suggestions anyone can provide,

Thanks,

Chris


author: Nortec in MN

subject: Re: Norstar Voicemail

text:
Since the NAM is history, take a look at the CallPilot150.  May be less
expensive too.

"seepeejay" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Magsub

subject: Re: Norstar Voicemail

text:
[email] (seepeejay) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

If you dont need the calls going through CCR or AA and you have PRI,
use DID's for some extensions and take the traffic off the ports.


author: Joerg Diekmann

subject: Calling super in overwritten methods

text:
Hi - not sure if this is possible - but it feels like it could be with
some serious ruby-fu.

I have the following:

class A
  def method1
    method2
  end

  def method2
    return 100
  end
end

class B < A
  def method1
    super
  end

  def method2
    return 200
  end
end

This is what happens:

b.method1 # 200

But, what I want is:

b.method1 # 100

Is this possible at all?

Thanks
Joerg


author: Brian

subject: Re: Calling super in overwritten methods

text:
Hey,
Assuming your trying to make a determination in class B as to which
method to use, you could make method2 a class method.

class A
  def method1
    A.method2
  end

  def self.method2
    return 100
  end
end

class B < A
  def method1
    x = 1
    puts A.method2 if x == 1 # => 100
    puts method2 if x == 2 # => 200
  end

  def method2
    return 200
  end
end

B.new.method1

- Brian

On Dec 6, 5:36 am, Joerg Diekmann <[email]> wrote:


author: micathom

text:
You didn't say if you can change class a if so you should probably
start the redesign there before resorting to vodoo.

= class A
=   def method1
*     method2_A
=   end
=
=   def method2
=     return 100
=   end
+   alias :method2_A :method2
= end
=
= class B < A
=   def method1
=     super
=   end
=
=   def method2
=     return 200
=   end
+   alias :method2_B :method2
= end

or so. This makes your intentions quite clear I'd say.


author: Trans

text:
Joerg Diekmann wrote:

Local methods would do the trick. We don't have those. But here's a
cool way:

  require 'facets'
  require 'kernel/as'

  class A

    def method1
      as(A).method2
    end

    def method2
      return 100
    end

  end

  class B < A
    def method1
      super
    end

    def method2
      return 200
    end
  end

T.

(http://facets.rubyforge.org)


text:
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Joerg Diekmann wrote:

     harp:~ > cat a.rb
     class A
       CLASS = self
       def method1 *a, &b
         CLASS.instance_method(:method2).bind(self).call *a, &b
       end
       def method2
         return 100
       end
     end

     class B < A
       CLASS = self
       def method1
         super
       end
       def method2
         return 200
       end
     end

     p A.new.method1
     p B.new.method1

     harp:~ > ruby a.rb
     100
     100

just because you can, however, doesn't mean you should.  why do you want to do this?

-a


author: Paul Lutus

text:
Joerg Diekmann wrote:

No, not without some tortured coding. You have redefined method2 in your
derived class, consequently this redefinition takes precedence in instances
of the derived class, and this is by design, not by accident.

Remember that the call to "method2" in the parent class, called with "super"
as you show it, is still in the context of an instance of the derived
class, so the call is resolved to refer to the derived class method2, not
the parent one.

If, as you say, you really want the result of the parent's method2, then
don't redefine that method in the derived class. Or use different method
names to create the distinction you want.


author: hemant

text:
On 12/6/06, Joerg Diekmann <[email]> wrote:

Indeed but sometime back, we had similar discussion here and someone
(David I guess) proposed:

class Parent
 def knox
   puts 'parent'
 end
end

class Child < Parent
 def knox
   puts 'child'
 end
 def test
   self.class.superclass.instance_method( :knox ).bind( self ).call
 end
end

Child.new.test


text:
Ok pity there's no simple Ruby solution to it. I'll just have to rename
my methods in my derived class then. Thanks though!


text:
Hmmm ... that doesn't work for me.

class A
  def method1
    method2
  end

  def method2
    return 100
  end
end

class B < A
  def method1
    self.class.superclass.instance_method( :method1 ).bind( self ).call
  end

  def method2
    return 200
  end
end

b.method1 # Still 200 instead of 100

Hemant Kumar wrote:


author: David Vallner

text:
Joerg Diekmann wrote:

Having a "simple" way would be way too C++, since it -is- horribly
breaking object-oriented behaviour. Might as well bring back "virtual".

The unbound method Ruby fu is just right in my opinion, it makes it
instantly clear that the code isn't behaving polymorphically, but uses
the class as a function namespace.

David Vallner


author: Jonathan Shore

subject: disabling cursor universally (not just for specific window)

text:
I would like to be able to disable the "mouse" pointer (cursor)
universally on a display regardless of what application or window
context it is in.

This makes sense for my application as I am using a touch screen and
don't have to have a pointer to get a sense of location context.

As I don't have source control on all of the elements in my application
I can't change the cursor to a blank pixmap (I know that one can change
the mouse pointer when it enters an application context).

As for solutions, the easiest would be if there is a way to disable in
the X server itself (I'm using XFree86 4.0.1).  Some other ideas that
came to mind were:

* changing the cursor font (assuming that none of the applications
creates their own pixmap cursor)
* using a X-server proxy to filter out all cursor change requests,
replacing with blank cursor request (does a proxy server exist that I
could hack up?)

Does anyone have ideas on this?

Thanks

Jonathan Shore
CTO
E-Publishing Group Inc (Japan)

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.


author: Adam Huuva

subject: Re: disabling cursor universally (not just for specific window)

text:
In article <9145aa$glr$[email]>, Jonathan Shore wrote:

Hack your driver. If you're using a software cursor you just need to
make PushPixels() OR ( GetSpans() AND FillSpans() ) dummy functions.

More info in ddx.PS found in xc/doc/hardcopy/Xserver in your 4.0.1 source
tree.

Cheers,


author: Cerberus AOD

subject: Re: [OT] Who are gamers voting for?

text:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:32:49 -0500, in my rec.games.frp.dnd coffee mug, which was
quite moldy, Mark Stahl, a dying weevil, wrote the following with his antennae:
:)>don't forget "are a member of a minority group" or, god forbid, "are a
:)>member of a minority group suspected of possibly commiting a crime" in which
:)>case a bush government will not only not leave you alone but can be expected
:)>to hunt you down and execute you....

So much for white guys in the south, huh? :-)
One DUI and they going to ON YOU, MAN! :-)

:)>
:)>people may be under the impression that republicans "leave them alone", but
:)>they perpetuate a great many social ills, and most emphatically don't leave
:)>a large number of people alone....
:)>
:)>
:)>"Robert Haith" <[email]> wrote in message
:)>news:[email]...
:)>> Unless you want to have an abortion, or want to buy some "obscene"
:)>> products, or are gay, or want to se recreational drugs in the privacy of
:)>> your own home, or etc......
:)>>
:)>> Get real.
:)>>
:)>> >
:)>> > I am voting for Bush, myself, mainly because the Republicans LEAVE ME
:)>> > THE HELL ALONE.
:)>> >
:)>> > I can't put it any more succinctly. I believe in smaller government,
:)>> > less intrusive government, and so for me the choice is simple.
:)>> >
:)>> > -Henry
:)>

------------------
Cerberus AOD / A Paper Cut ([email])
ICQ UIN: 8878412 (take out SCREWTHESPAM to mail me, okay?)
"Children of tomorrow live in the tears that fall today"
-Children of the Grave, Black Sabbath


author: Edward Lee

subject: What is best virtual CD software?

text:
I'm looking for reccomendations on virtual cd software. I help administer a
community technology center of 15 Windows 98 workstations and a single
Windows NT server. Having to swap CDs in and out is quite the hassel,
especially when a class is being taught to young kids. I'm using a bunch of
educational software titles, MS Encarta, Mavis Beacon, and some others.

I have been looking into network versions of the following:

CD Emulator (http://www.penreader.com/cde/index1.htm)
Virtual CD (http://www.virtualcd-online.com)
Virtual Drive (http://www.farstone.com/env22/products/vd.asp)

CD Emulator is by far the cheapest, and cost is real important. Virtual
Drive is about 8x as expensive, with Virtual CD somewhere in the middle.

Anyone have any insight/experience? Each has a trial version, but I'm in
kind of a rush and don't have lots of time to evaluate each version.

Thanks for any info,
Ed Lee


author: Chris Pitzel

subject: Re: What is best virtual CD software?

text:
Hi.  If you run Linux, you can use the mount(1) command with root
priviledge to mount .iso images of your CD-ROMs onto the filesystems of
a linux machine.  The linux machine can then be accessed via samba.

I'm not sure if this would work though, but doesn't cost a cent and is
fairly robust if you know what you're doing around unix.


author: Dragon

subject: Re: What is best virtual CD software?

text:
These 2 programs are a good cheap solution.

Free good emulator: http://gamefix.moax.com/files/daemon247a.zip
To make cd-images use blindread: http://www.blindread.com/main.htm

The emulators you list isn't that good. They dont work if the cd is copy
protected.


subject: Re: What is best virtual CD software?

text:
Thanks Chris. Unfortunately, I have no Unix/Linux experience and the person
that does the day to day administration has even less experience than me.

Ed Lee

administer a
of


subject: Re: What is best virtual CD software?

text:
Thanks for the suggestion. Does this program offer a network version as the
others that I have been looking at do?

Thanks,
Ed Lee


subject: Re: What is best virtual CD software?

text:
Hmm..  I'm not certain that such a setup would even work.  Do these CD
programs that you run want to be present in the local computer, or are
they networkable (ie: you put the CD-ROM into the CD drive of your
server and share it)?  Also, where do such CD programs 'derive' their
sound from?

Those are some issues I can think of, albeit I've never tried to perform
such tricks with such low-quality software packages as games or encarta.


subject: USB drive kits - any of them support >128/137GB?

text:
Bought a 160GB IDE hard drive, put it in a USB2 drive kit.  Although I
put in the "EnableBigLBA" registry entry, and I *can* make a 160GB
partition if connected directly to the motherboard onboard LBA -
apparently the USB to IDE bridge in the USB2 drive kit doesn't support
48-bit addressing - because only 128GB of the disk is visible to XP Disk
Management.

I checked another vendor of such kits - ADS Pyro - and they don't
support greater than 127GB:
http://www.adstech.com/support/faq/faqanswers.asp?id=2#2

Anybody know of a vendor that makes USB2 drive kits that DO support
48-bit addressing and therefore partitions bigger than 127GB?


author: Eric Gisin

subject: Re: USB drive kits - any of them support >128/137GB?

text:
The problem is these devices use a single USB-IDE bridge chip without a
separate firmware ROM.

They need a chip revisions just to add features like this. They should have
used eeprom.

So updating to
"Spoon2001" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
| Bought a 160GB IDE hard drive, put it in a USB2 drive kit.  Although I
| put in the "EnableBigLBA" registry entry, and I *can* make a 160GB
| partition if connected directly to the motherboard onboard LBA -
| apparently the USB to IDE bridge in the USB2 drive kit doesn't support
| 48-bit addressing - because only 128GB of the disk is visible to XP Disk
| Management.
|
| I checked another vendor of such kits - ADS Pyro - and they don't
| support greater than 127GB:
| http://www.adstech.com/support/faq/faqanswers.asp?id=2#2
|
| Anybody know of a vendor that makes USB2 drive kits that DO support
| 48-bit addressing and therefore partitions bigger than 127GB?
|


text:
Right!  I was able to flash the BIOS on my old ABIT KT7 motherboard and
enable 48-bit addressing when using the onboard IDE connectors.  But no
possibility of doing that with these cheap converter boxes.  I'll
probably return mine to the store and then get one when 48-bit
addressing is implemented on them.

Eric Gisin wrote:


author: So Hok Chun, Bill

subject: ftp and telnet server slow response

text:
Dear all,

I am using RH6.2.  I set up Samba and Netatalk successfully.

However, when I finished the set up process and tried to connect to the
server by telnet or ftp, it would take a long time to setup the connection
(>1 min in a 100Base LAN)

What's wrong with that?

Thx for your help.

Yours,
Bill


author: Dean Thompson

subject: Re: ftp and telnet server slow response

text:
Hi!,

You might like to check to make sure that the hosts are able to work out the
hostname for the incoming connection.  This means either check your DNS
settings in your /etc/resolv.conf file or add the IP addresses into your
/etc/hosts file.  I suspect the time that you spend waiting for your
connection is the machine trying to find out the hostname of the IP address
connecting into it.

Normally this can be seen when you do a "finger" on the local machine and you
see yourself connected from a IP number rather than a canonical name.

See ya

Dean Thompson


author: Richard Lewis

subject: Re: ftp and telnet server slow response

text:
On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 00:54:08 +1100, Dean Thompson
<[email]> wrote:

I'm having a similar problem. I'm running RH6.0, but recently upgraded
the kernel to 2.4.1 in order to compile in support for my Compaq Smart
Array controller. Everything seems to be working fine (eventually) but
for some reason networking services seem to be very slow to react.

At first I blamed the NIC and/or driver, but the same thing happens
when you use the local loopback. For example: telnet 127.0.0.1, or ftp
127.0.0.1 (wu-ftpd v. 2.4.2). I'm using IP addresses so I figure no
need to worry about any possible DNS issues. The odd thing is that it
appears to connect immediately because I get a message saying
"Connected to 127.0.0.1", but then it takes up to several minutes to
get the logon prompt.

Pinging the server works fine (both in loopback and from another box),
and the echoes come right back

Does anyone know why this is happening? Before the kernel upgrade it
worked fine.

TIA.

Richard Lewis
Network Support Engineer
Satellite Information Services
London.


author: dominique laflamme

subject: GalCiv: The Guided Tour?

text:
I was intrigued to see Brad Wardell issue a challenge in the form
of a saved GalCiv game a few weeks ago.

Hey, Brad, how about a easy saved game with some notes for us novices?

I'm thinking of:

"First, do *this* for this reason. See how this changes?
Good, now this should have happened, so do this; look for
this to change as a consequence. If you don't do that,
this awful thing happens, or this good thing never happens."

Take us through a few turns, if you would, so we purchase
some ships and maybe make a few different kinds of contact
with our neighbors.

I write this as a fairly complete and moderately timid
novice. I'm trying to dive into it, and I've read the FAQ and
some of the discussions of strategy, but I've never played any
of these recent strategy games (MoO, Civilizations, etc), so I'm
mostly stumbling around, hoping something good happens.

Just a thought,
Nick

ps - I know what I'm describing isn't trivial, but neither is
trying to figure out how to play the game from the documentation.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: GalCiv: The Guided Tour?

text:
In article <3d7306$[email]>, [email] (dominique laflamme) writes:

	Cool idea.  How about, I make a saved game with a story
behind it and see how people do.  I'll set the different players
to different difficulties.  Users should be able to beat it.  I'll
try doing this during the Christmas holiday.

Ho ho ho.

Brad


author: Rick DeBay

subject: Re: GalCiv: The Guided Tour?

text:
In <1994Dec20.181501.25653@wmichgw>, [email] writes:

Carriers at War walks you through the attack on Pearl Harbor, with
you as the Japanese player.  The text is all in the manual, so it
should be cheap and easy to do.  No programming required (except
for loading the saved game).


author: Brian J. Bernstein

subject: Re: Good books on NT:  any opinions?

text:
John Nolan wrote:

  I have read a bit of 'Windows NT Advanced Reference Manual' (or
something like that) published by Que Books. It comes with a CD-ROM of
some semi-useful utilities, and is fairly good. It has a decent
explanation of how NT works, and a fairly good chapter on the registry.

  It's a 3"-4" book, and I believe the price was somewhere from $40 -
$60. Fairly complete, although there might have been 1 or 2 things that
I looked for that it didn't cover. Note that this book does NOT cover
API calls, nor does it really qualify as a programmer's manual. Good
user reference.


author: Nakarin Satthamnuwong

subject: \ref{} for figure

text:
I have the simple tex file here.  I am using mitex and Latex, both give me
the same results.
I don't why the \ref{} command does not wrok correctly for the figures.

Nakarin

\documentclass{book}
\begin{document}
   \chapter{A}
   \section{A1}
   \begin{figure}[h] \label{f1} \caption{Simulation 1} \end{figure}
    Figure \ref{f1} shows whatever1 Figure \ref{f2} shows whatever2.
    \begin{figure}[h] \label{f2} \caption{Simulation 2} \end{figure}
\end{document}


author: Lucian Wischik

subject: Re: \ref{} for figure

text:
Nakarin Satthamnuwong <[email]> wrote:

The refereince is to the *caption title*, not to the figure environment.
Therefore, the label must come after the \caption. (or inside it).


author: Scott Pakin

subject: Re: \ref{} for figure

text:
Nakarin Satthamnuwong wrote:

See http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=crossref

-- Scott


author: Jeff Watkins

subject: Zortech

text:
I recently purchased the zortech c++ compiler version 2.1.
I did so due to previous posts that it could generate windows apps.
I tried compiling the sample application that comes with ztc, with no luck.
The app does not even create a main window when it launches...

Does anyone have any sample source code that I might peruse that works with ztc
and windows 3.0?  I am very interrested in putting together a c++ application
and obviously need ztc for this.  Any help would be appreciated...

thanks
jeff


author: Wolfgang Strobl

subject: Re: Zortech

text:
[email] (Jeff Watkins) writes:

I use Zortech C++, but hadn't compiled the windows c++ sample which comes
with ztc v2.1, because I was mainly interested in getting my own code to
work with Zortech C++, and the switch from 2.06 to 2.1 solved my problems.

I just cd'd into the \zortech\sample\winexam directory and typed 'make',
after changing the memory model from 'medium' to 'small' in the makefile
(I have the small memory model libraries installed, only).
The makefile created one program, test.exe. It works. It displays one
push button and three different moveable child windows. The behaviour of the
program is a bit unintelligible to me, I will have to read the code
in order to see whether it does what it should.

Which SDK do you use? I use the 2.1 SDK, because I don't have the
SDK 3, yet. I tried the sample program with both Windows 2.11 and Windows 3,
it runs under both versions.

Wolfgang Strobl
#include <std.disclaimer.hpp>


author: Peter Lim

subject: Re: C++ handle on Zortech and Glockenspiel

text:
Well, I supposed you can hardly blame Zortech for this since it boils
down to using "unexported" resource. And we all know that Windows gets
totally confused in such situation. Okay, may be blame it on Microsoft's
linker if you must blame somebody  :-). Once compilation is done, everything
is handed off to the linker and there is nothing the compiler can do
beyond that point.

Thanks ! So, that's why my version of ZTC++'s Windows example worked
fine  :-).

Regards,                       ## Life is fast enough as it is ........
Peter Lim.                     ## .... DON'T PUSH IT !!          >>>-------,
                               ########################################### :
E-mail:  [email]     Snail-mail:  Hewlett Packard Singapore,    :
Tel:     (065)-279-2289                      (ICDS, ICS)                   |
Telnet:        520-2289                      1150 Depot Road,           __\@/__
  ... also at: [email]            Singapore   0410.           SPLAT !

#include <standard_disclaimer.hpp>


author: Karel Zuiderveld

subject: Re: Zortech

text:
In <[email]> [email] (Jeff Watkins) writes:

I had the same problem; after some digging in their source code I found a
small, but crucial error.

At a certain point a menu is loaded with the statement
 Wm1 = new WMenu(TopWin,"menudef");     // (or something)

Looking at the .RC file, only a MenuDef is defined. Since loading the menu
turns out to be case sensitive, the menu is not found.
The error handling Zortech implemented was not very elegant: it gives a
fatal error and the screen may freeze.

Edit your .rc file and you'll be doing OK.

I reported this bug to Zortech.

Karel


author: Ramman

subject: Boundled cables

text:
I'm wiring a new house and am planning to use bundled cable (2-CAT5e,
2-RJ-6, 2 Multi mode fiber optic). What is the advantage of speed wrap vs.
jacketed speed wrap? Is it worth the price difference? Is there any quality
difference between manufacturers of the bunded cable? Which distribution
patch panel is recommended? Any suggestions as to best pricing on the NET?

Thank you,
Richard Greene


author: Chuck

subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
What's the fiber optic good for? I'm wiring a home (4800sq.ft) and wonder If
I should run it. Owner wants built-in sound system, etc.
Thanx


author: Robert L Bass

subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
Hi Ramman,

In truth, you'd probably be better off using separate cables.  The bundled cable
is less flexible (both physically and from a design stand point), often
significantly more costly and much harder to pull.

On the plus side, bundled cable offers.... um... nothing really.  :)

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota, FL 34233
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 voice (Florida)
941-926-9857 fax
[email]
=============================>

"Ramman" <[email]> wrote in message
news:utU88.29218$[email]...
: I'm wiring a new house and am planning to use bundled cable (2-CAT5e,
: 2-RJ-6, 2 Multi mode fiber optic). What is the advantage of speed wrap vs.
: jacketed speed wrap? Is it worth the price difference? Is there any quality
: difference between manufacturers of the bunded cable? Which distribution
: patch panel is recommended? Any suggestions as to best pricing on the NET?
:
: Thank you,
: Richard Greene
:
:


subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
Digital Audio distribution and high speed computer communications.
"Chuck" <[email]> wrote in message
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If


author: Knucklehead

subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
"Chuck" <[email]> wrote in message news:<lTV88.9576$[email]>...

IMHO there's no value to fiber in the house.  It just doeesn't make
sense to have higher bandwidth media in the house than is available on
the "last mile".  The trend there is away from fiber.


author: Rob

subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
As a DIYer, I wouldn't agree that it offers nothing...

It's easier to pull one cable to a location (albeit, a bigger one), than to
pull 4 at a time (assuming 2cat5+2RG6).  You only have one spool to manage
versus 4.  Also, many DIYers enter into their plan with grand visions of x
Number of cables to every location, but as time passes and energy is
exerted, you suddenly start questioning, "Do I really need this extra RG6 in
the Kitchen".  Before you know it, you've pull 3/4 of what you originally
intended, because, well it's hard work.  Then you kick yourself in the pants
later for not spending the extra time or money to pull it.  At least the
bundled cable forces you to pull a reasonable minimum to every location.

And with one cable vs 4 (or more) in a single pull, you avoid twists,
insulation burns, crimps, knots and everything else that God likes to throw
at you for fun :)

"Robert L Bass" <[email]> wrote in message
news:_zW88.34605$[email]...
cable
vs.
quality
NET?


author: Lewis Gardner

subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
Right you are Robert!

Bundled wiring is bad idea since waste goes up (max spool length is about 5x
average run resulting in more "short ends") and you will kill yourself
trying to handle the heavy spools. The pricing it looks like close to a 100%
premium plus shipping. What about phones, doorbells, cameras... are you
going to run a wire bundle to each of them?

Go to Graybar or Home Depot. Try to get wire on 1000' spools (or the boxed
spools like General Cable has) not in "ez-tangle" boxes.

 In the wire closet or near by set up the cable spools on some old 3/4" or
1" plumbing pipe across a pair of sawhorses, two nails on both ends will
keep the pipe in place. Two people are required (3 is better) for the actual
wire pull, one to pull the wire and one to work the spools. The spool guy is
responsible for reading the wire list and bundling the wires with electrical
tape at each end. The wiring closet end MUST be marked! The wire runner guy
takes the bundle and proceeds to the destination via PRE-DRILLED holes. At
direction changes he will probably need to leave some slack and if you have
a third person handling the slack is their job. Three people can run A LOT
of wire in a day with the proper preparation. (actual job - 3 people, 18
hours, 12,000 feet of wire, 119 wires).

Preparation is the key. It starts with locating the devices in the rooms and
preparing a wirelist. Next you need to figure out the paths the wires will
take. This is best done either in consultation with the electricians or
better yet after them. Once you have the wirepaths drill the proper size
holes. 3/4" will be the smallest bit you will use. Get a Greenlee NailEater
auger bit and a 18volt cordless drill. Down the main "trunk lines" where
bunches of cable run you may need bigger holes, use you wirelist to figure
the max diameter of the wire bundle and make the hole 25% larger. Never
drill more than 1/3 the depth of any framing member.

With separate wires you get the wires you need to each location, save money,
save time and save your back.


author: Brian

subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
The 50 or 62 micron fiber in a data fiber cable won't work for digital
audio without a LOT of extra electronics on the ends.  You can carry
digital audio cheaper and easier over coax, even if you have to use a
pair of Audio Authority adapters to convert it from optical at the
source to coaxial.

Cat5e can easily carry gigabit Ethernet, so you're pretty well set for
a long time for communications.  You'd be better off to skip the fiber
and install some conduit or smurf tube now in case you *actually* have
to run th fiber later.  Take into account the cost of the
terminations, and the cost of the NICs and switches and you'll see
what I mean.

For that matter, the bundled cable is pretty much a waste of money as
well.  Individual cable spools are cheaper, easier to work with, offer
more flexible wiring options, and allow you to get the best of each
cable type for the job.

[] [] "Ramman" <[email]> arranged some electrons to say:


subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
As far as ease of pulling, that is a non-issue. I am already paying an
electrician to put in Cat5e (i.e. the phone lines and network connections).
I believe from a reliability standpoint a single combined cable stands a
better chance of lasting the installation process due to it's combined
strength and resistance to "kinks". It will force the electrician to use
shallower curves/bends in the wire. The added insulation of the sheath will
be an additional protection. The house has conduit already in place where
the lines must go through the foundation.
As far as the fiber inclusion, the cost with or without the fiber is so
small ($70 for 400') relative to the price of the house that I feel I would
be remiss in excluding it. As far as the terminations, I can have the wall
6-connector multimedia outlets in place but leave the terminations off until
I need the fiber ... but I still have the option available to me.

I really appreciate all the comments, however all of the above not
withstanding, my questions concerning cable quality, and type of recommended
distribution panel have gone unanswered. I would REALLY appreciate some
guidance on these issues from those who have gone before me on this.

Thanks again,
Richard Greene
"Knucklehead" <[email]> wrote in message
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news:<lTV88.9576$[email]>...
wonder If


author: GS

subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
Knucklehead wrote:

For most application I would agree.  However there is at least
one exception....isolation for lightning protection.

I live in Florida, and had one CAT5 run to an attached utility
building, to support a terminal server. In the summer lightning
season, I was replacing hubs and components in the term server
with amazing regularity.

I went shopping on eBay and came up with some cheap ST-ST zip
multimode fiber, and ST to CAT5 adapters. Pulled it in and
haven't had a lightning caused failure for three years.


subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
Hi Rob,

You're right that it is simpler pulling one than four.  However, the bundled
cable is often much harder to actually pull than separates (I've compared on a
job site just to prove it to myself).  Also, bundled cable requires a larger
bend radius than separates.

Everyone has his own pet way of doing things and yours may be better for you
than mine is for me.  Here's what I do.  When I'm pull cables I prefer to use
"easy pull" boxes rather than spools.  I line up one box of each type of cable
for the run at the business end (away from the wiring closet).  I mark each
cable directly on the jacket with a Sharpie fine point laundry marker, using
simple English designations instead of numbers or codes.

I drill a 1/2-3/4" hole in the top or bottom plate of the wall above or below
the jack location and insert one cable into the hole, feeding a few feet ahead
for a grip.  Then I tape the additional cables to the first one at 6-10"
intervals so the cable feeds easily.

I find this method easiest for me.  You might want to try it or some variation
on it next time.

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota, FL 34233
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 voice (Florida)
941-926-9857 fax
[email]
=============================>

"Rob" <[email]> wrote in message
news:3_W88.100318$[email]...
: As a DIYer, I wouldn't agree that it offers nothing...
:
: It's easier to pull one cable to a location (albeit, a bigger one), than to
: pull 4 at a time (assuming 2cat5+2RG6).  You only have one spool to manage
: versus 4.  Also, many DIYers enter into their plan with grand visions of x
: Number of cables to every location, but as time passes and energy is
: exerted, you suddenly start questioning, "Do I really need this extra RG6 in
: the Kitchen".  Before you know it, you've pull 3/4 of what you originally
: intended, because, well it's hard work.  Then you kick yourself in the pants
: later for not spending the extra time or money to pull it.  At least the
: bundled cable forces you to pull a reasonable minimum to every location.
:
: And with one cable vs 4 (or more) in a single pull, you avoid twists,
: insulation burns, crimps, knots and everything else that God likes to throw
: at you for fun :)
:
: "Robert L Bass" <[email]> wrote in message
: news:_zW88.34605$[email]...
: > Hi Ramman,
: >
: > In truth, you'd probably be better off using separate cables.  The bundled
: cable
: > is less flexible (both physically and from a design stand point), often
: > significantly more costly and much harder to pull.
: >
: > On the plus side, bundled cable offers.... um... nothing really.  :)
: >
: > Regards,
: > Robert L Bass
: >
: > =============================>
: > Bass Home Electronics
: > The Online DIY Alarm Store
: > http://www.Bass-Home.com
: > 4883 Fallcrest Circle
: > Sarasota, FL 34233
: > 877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
: > 941-925-9747 voice (Florida)
: > 941-926-9857 fax
: > [email]
: > =============================>
: >
: > "Ramman" <[email]> wrote in message
: > news:utU88.29218$[email]...
: > : I'm wiring a new house and am planning to use bundled cable (2-CAT5e,
: > : 2-RJ-6, 2 Multi mode fiber optic). What is the advantage of speed wrap
: vs.
: > : jacketed speed wrap? Is it worth the price difference? Is there any
: quality
: > : difference between manufacturers of the bunded cable? Which distribution
: > : patch panel is recommended? Any suggestions as to best pricing on the
: NET?
: > :
: > : Thank you,
: > : Richard Greene
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:


subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
I used to do it alone most of the time.

I like working with boxed coils rather than spools because they can't over-spin
(like a fishing reel) if I pull fast.  No helper is needed to guide the cables
or supervise the spools.  It's not as fast as 2-3 guys working together but it
works for me.

Once in a while I would use a helper (or act as my techs' helper:)) on a wire
pull job.  It is faster but for me it's almost as easy working solzinho.  On a
really large job I'd definitely work with two helpers though.

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota, FL 34233
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 voice (Florida)
941-926-9857 fax
[email]
=============================>

"Lewis Gardner":
... Two people are required (3 is better) for the actual
: wire pull, one to pull the wire and one to work the spools.


subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
First the disclosure: Since I sell this stuff, I'm not exactly unbiased.  But I
try to be fair in making comparisons.

I've sold a fair number of ChannelPlus' Open House and OnQ panels to DIY'rs with
good results.  Both offer a wide assortment of modules and have flexible
mounting arrangements.

Here are links on my site to OpenHouse...
http://www.bass-home.com/completesystempages.cfm?theSystem=35

and OnQ...
http://www.bass-home.com/completesystempages.cfm?theSystem=37

If you would like to list the number of stations and services you require for
each jack, I'll be happy to help with configuration.

Ortronics, a known player in commercial network systems, offers the InHouse
system.  I've only sold a few of these but so far I've not had any complaints or
warranty service issues.  Here's a URL...
http://www.bass-home.com/completesystempages.cfm?theSystem=47

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota, FL 34233
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 voice (Florida)
941-926-9857 fax
[email]
=============================>

Richard Greene wrote:
:
: ... my questions concerning cable quality, and type of
: recommended distribution panel have gone unanswered.
: I would REALLY appreciate some guidance on these
: issues from those who have gone before me on this.


author: Ryan Erickson

subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
A friend of mine thought that the bundles would be easier to keep from
getting cut, too, until his braindead sheetrocker rocked *OVER* the wire
bundle sticking out of the mud ring!

He then proceeded to rotozip the bundles (2 or three in the whole house),
and pull them out of the way.  This left the bundles all but useless in a
couple of locations...

The moral of the lesson is this: Whether you bundle or whether you use
single wires (like I did -- WAY cheaper!), running them correctly and
prepping them so that they won't be in the way of the sheetrocker is more
important to their lifespan than the types of wire runs you use.

Ryan Erickson
[email]
http://erickson.myip.org

"Ramman" <[email]> wrote in message
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subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
I just ran the bundled cables in my own house and due to the fact that I do
large electrical work by trade, I felt right at home. The reels are large,
hard to manage alone and very limiting. The only thing missing was the EMT,
power puller and wire grease. It also bends easier than 4/0 cable. I see no
advantage to the bundled cable except the strange looks the builder and
electrician gave me. This is one of those things that looks better on paper
for the average home.

Rob (a low level electrician,(sorry wrong newsgroup):))


subject: Re: Boundled cables

text:
Excellent point...When I had my cable run, instead of coiling the wire's in
the boxes, I pushed as much of it up into the stud cavity as I could,
because I knew the drywallers would be lazy and use zip routers to cut the
rock holes around the boxes...That way, even if they completely ripped the
cable in the box (as was the case), I had plenty of slack spare in the wall
to pull out through the box.

"Ryan Erickson" <[email]> wrote in message
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where
wall


author: [redacted]

subject: Compile question need help

text:
Dear,
  I try to read FAQ but it can not solve my question.  I collect some
information to you for help......

   I got compile error as:
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GNU C++ version 3.2.1 (djgpp)
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function
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go32/v2 version 2.0 built Dec 24 2001 21:25:02
Usage: go32 coff-image [args]
Rename this to go32.exe only if you need a go32 that can run v2 binaries as
 well as v1 binaries (old makefiles).  Put ahead of the old go32 in your
PATH
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Set GO32_V2_DEBUG=y in the environment to get verbose output.

DPMI memory available: 41418 Kb
DPMI swap space available: 0 Kb
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C++ code as:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
#include <iostream>

int main()
{
   cout << "Hello World!\n";
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}
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  And I use system: OS is "windows 2000", and hardware is IBM NETVISTA
which
has P4 1.8G CPU and 128M DDR RAM.

  Another, I find a strange thing.  When I re-open "command tool" and
re-key some commands as gpp, gcc,.. etc.  The command tool is not any
response, but I execute rhide.exe then exit to return command tool.  The
command tool recover anything, I can execute all commands well.

  Please give me a hand.

Thank your support,
Jeen_dar Huang, 01/23/2003


author: Hans-Bernhard Broeker

subject: Re: Compile question need help

text:
[email] wrote:

The reason is your source code.  It's in an outdated dialect of C++,
which the newest version of the GNU C++ compiler no longer accepts.

Re-check your textbooks to learn about namespaces, and the "std"
namespace in particular.


author: Cesar Rabak

subject: Re: Compile question need help

text:
Hans-Bernhard Broeker wrote:

Besides, since the OP is trying to compile and link in a single call to
gcc, he has to call gxx instead of gcc in order the linking phase be
aware to link in the C++ libs.


author: David H. McCoy

subject: Re: NTFS & HPFS!

text:
In article <[email]>, [email] says...
No problem.....


author: Dave

subject: View a Report on a Form

text:
Is it possible to view an Access report, or is there a Viewer that I
can use, on a form?


author: Rick Brandt

subject: Re: View a Report on a Form

text:
Dave wrote:

Not that I know of.  If it's possible it would be with some third party tool,
not anything built into Access.


author: Danny J. Lesandrini

subject: Re: View a Report on a Form

text:
I haven't tried this, but could you output it as a snapshot and load
the snapshot in a browser control?


author: Saintor

subject: Re: View a Report on a Form

text:
I have similar process.  My app opens my reports saved in PDF with the
FollowHyperlink

"Dave" <[email]> wrote in message
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author: New Guy

subject: Re: View a Report on a Form

text:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:26:36 -0400, "Saintor"
<[email]> wrote:

This link did not take me to a message.

Please let me know what to do.


author: George

subject: Headcount of South African VO Developers

text:
Hi All

If there is no objection, is it possible to give me feedback who's VO
programmers in SA? and maybe province... yes I'm a VO serial Killer that
cannot afford to travel overseas
<VO Physco Grin>

At our company we are currently 3 guys, Andy, Charl, George... 2 in JHB 1 in
CPT

So far we're a BIG 3 strong ;-)

Thanks

George


author: Vic d'Hoop

subject: Re: Headcount of South African VO Developers

text:
There's  me  Western Cape.

There's a guy somewhere near Lanseria that has something to do with
Aviation.
Sasol was quite heavily into VO some years ago, don't know if they still are
?

Good idea George. When VO 1.0 was released, the Clipper Expert Group
launched  a user group for VO and the attendance must have been in the
region of about 50 - 60.
I wonder what happened to all those guys ??

HTH Vic
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text:
I got another response from Bernard Richard

That leaves us at only 5...:-(  well at least that read the newsgroups...

I wonder if CA / GrafX will supply this kind of information ? or is this
info covered by some kind secrecy cloak.

Let's see...

Cheers

George

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text:
George,

You might just find that you get the same kind of results with other
Programming languages as well. I think that anyone with half - a - chance
has either emmigrated or is doing work for foreign currency.

Only guys left seem to be people who are experts in advanced software like
"Edlin for Windows " and Cobol.

HTH Vic

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author: Gary Stark

text:
George,

CA can't; they simply don't have it.

Brian would only have information relevant to 2.6.

In both cases though, I think that they would regarded the information as
commercial and confidential.

George wrote:


author: Sandor Laza

subject: Re: Modifying SQL query for security??  What is your opinion?

text:
mc wrote:

Thanks for the advice!  I have received other answers too and all told
me, the implementation of this kind of solution is too expensive to
implement.
Then, you are the first one who think about it positively!  Since, we
are using Sybase, Ingres and Oracle your proposal can be really
interesting!
I will send an e-mail to the other people who was interested about this
topic, and direct them into comp.security.unix group.  I think, we can
have an interesting discussion.
Furthermore, I will send a bit tetailed explanation of my problem.

Thanks,

L.S.


author: L. Healy

subject: Odd behaviour with frames - can anyone explain this ?

text:
Hello All,

I am about to start writing a new application, using frames for the
first time.

But when I am writing a test app this happens :

1. I create a new frame and call it FirstFrame, saved in
FirstFrameU.pas.

2. I add it to an existing form.

3. I can see it on the form, but Delphi has changed it's name to
'FirstFrame1'.

4. I highlight it for editing and change the name back to FirstFrame,
which it seems to let me do.

5. Delphi still calls it 'FirstFrame1'.

6. So I then open then open the original Frame in it's own window and
change the name again, this works, but Delphi kicks up a right stink
about it and I have to remove it then add it again.

Am I missing something ? Why does it let you edit frames in two ways ?

Liam Healy


subject: Re: Odd behaviour with frames - can anyone explain this ?

text:
In article <XY_p8.5679$[email]>, Bruce Roberts
<[email]> writes

Thank you very much for this, Bruce,

So, this is what I have been doing -

1. I file|new|frame to create a frame and call it say, SourceFrame, and
save it in its own unit.

2. SourceFrame is now there for use as many times as I need it.

3. I select SourceFrame and put it on my form.

4. Then I can rename it (highlighting it on the form) TheVeryFirstFrame.

I now see it has appeared as :

type
  TForm1 = class(TForm)
    TheVeryFirstFrame: TSourceFrame;

5. Any code I write to drive events on that frame, I put in the Forms
Unit, and _not_ in the SourceFrame Unit.

6. I carry on putting more instances of SourceFrame on my form naming
each separately as I go, always writing the events for the Frames in the
main form unit, never in the original 'SourceFrame' unit.

However, I notice that if I put a button on the Frame in the form, then
hide the frame, the button is still visible - it seems to go directly
onto the form??

If I put the button on the original SourceFrame it appears on every
frame I add using that as the original type (which I suppose it would).

Do I need to create a new frame type whenever I want a new frame ?
Liam Healy


author: Bruce Roberts

text: FirstFrame is a frame type, FirstFrame1 is an instance of that type.


text:
"L. Healy" <[email]> wrote in message

It does. To add controls to the frame you need to be editing the frame type.

Yes. However, IIRC, you can create descendants of already define frames.


author: Darkstar

subject: !!! NEW SITE !!! for up to date programming and computer related links

text:
The new DARKSTAR site is up !

HOT links for Shareware, Programming, Computer Science, Computer Hardware, Computer Software and Search Engines.

check it out @

http://www.gre.ac.uk/~hs574/index.html


author: Curtis Green

subject: Solaris8 and Win2k peer network?

text:
Will my Sun Ultra running Sol8 be able to recognize or be recognized by the
win2k pc's on my peer network?

If so, after sys-unconfig, what should I enter as information?

Do I set the sun up as a server, or is there someway that it will receive
its ip address dynamically from win2k without specifing a domain?

also can't seem to get through the "Confirm Information" screens if I choose
DHCP [Yes].
I get   (all text now appearing as white on black lines)
    Just a moment...
    ifconfig: eri0: wait timed out, operationi still pending...
    Assertion failed: errmess != NULL, file main.c, line 338
    Abort - core dumped
    in.rdisc: No interfaces up
    Starting IPv4 routing daemon.
    starting rpc services: rpcbind done.

...frozen...STOP-a, reset-all, {0} ok boot ..gives ohci: unrecoverable usb
error. ( eventually) power off, power on, boot, DHCP [No] get it booted up,
sorry for the long post, omg!

Thanks in advance ;)

loving the curves, especially learning.


author: Josh McKee

subject: Re: Solaris8 and Win2k peer network?

text:
In article <4LKy8.41211$[email]>,
 "Curtis Green" <[email]> wrote:

What do you mean by "recognized"? Do you mean can your Windows PC's ping
the system? Or do you mean can they FTP to the system? Or do you mean
can they mount file systems from the system? What you mean by
"recognized" will define if the Solaris system will be recognized or
not. If you could tell us what you'd like to do we could give you a
better answer. To start off:

Windows PC's can see Solaris systems to ping, ftp, telnet. Windows PC's
cannot, without additional software, share files using drive mappings or
use the Solaris system as a print server.

What are you trying to do?

Solaris can use a Windows DHCP server to obtain its IP address. However
if you do this the system will not have a defined host name (it will
default to "unknown"). This will bring the system up on the network and
allow it to be useable, but I don't like the "unknown" host name given
(if anyone knows how to set the hostname while using a Windows DHCP
server I'd like to hear about how it's done).

Sorry, I cannot help you out with this error message. It might be
helpful to others if you would post the Solaris version you're using.
And possibly the hardware.

Josh


author: Chuck Swiger

subject: Re: Solaris8 and Win2k peer network?

text:
Curtis Green <[email]> wrote:

Sure.  Something like Samba (www.samba.org) might be useful to you.

Talk to your local network admin.  If you're that person, well, it's up to you
to figure out what your network looks like.

A Sun box can be a DHCP client, but it's generally not recommended-- normally
one gives a static IP to a Sun to use it as a server.

-Chuck

       Chuck Swiger | [email] | All your packets are belong to us.
       -------------+-------------------+-----------------------------------
       "The human race's favorite method for being in control of the facts
        is to ignore them."  -Celia Green


subject: Re: Solaris8 and Win2k peer network?

text:
"Josh McKee" <[email]> wrote in message

Initially it would be great if my pc's could ping my sun and vice versa.
I do have a copy of PC_Netlink installed and running on the SUN.
It seems I should be able to ping the win2ks' without PC_Nelink though.

The purpose of this is to be able to snoop packets on my lan with the sun,
using a unix program that I will install once I can access my network.

receive

Looks like if I want Solaris to obtain its ip address from Windows, I should
be installing Win2k Server.
I am running Win2k Pro on 3 pc's atm.

uname -a
SunOS Sun13 5.8 Generic_109291-04 sun4u sparc SUNW

ifconfig -a
lo0: flags=1000849<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv4> mtu 8232 index 1
        inet 127.0.0.1 netmask ff000000
eri0: flags=1000843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv4> mtu 1500 index 2
        inet 192.168.0.13 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255
        ether 8:0:20:b2:13:cd

arp -a
Device    IP Address     Mask                        Flags     Phys Addr
eri0        Sun13             255.255.255.255      SP
08:00:20:b2:13:cd
eri0        224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0                  SM
01:00:5e:00:00:00

netstat -rn
Destination                Gateway            Flags        Ref        Use
Interface
192.168.0.0              192.168.0.13     U                 1         20
eri0
224.0.0.0                  192.168.0.13     U                 1          0
eri0
default                       192.168.0.1       UG              1          0
127.0.0.1                  127.0.0.1           UH             34      3978
lo0

Thanks Josh, don't know if this is enough info or not.
I've set a default gateway to point at my win2k box with 2 lan cards in it.
The second card is ip 192.168.0.1
The first card -> cable modem.

I'm starting to think its just not possible with the win2k os...
Someone put me out of my misery, and tell me its 10 time easier with win2k
server...
...then I can get to formatting, partitioning .. etc

thanks
Curtis


subject: Re: Solaris8 and Win2k peer network?

text:
"Josh McKee" <[email]> wrote in message

Hey Josh

btw found some info on keeping the hostname of your sun system intact on a
NT domain.
..hopefully I can get mine to that point in the next couple days.
I can't say that this works, but here is a solution (link and relevant text)

http://www.solarisguide.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-01-20-006-02-QG-0006
The solution is to go to NT server, start DHCP manager and open the
properties page for the connection to Solaris and record the unique
identifier and the IP address. Then delete the connection to Solaris and add
a reservation of the IP address using the unique identifier. Also click on
the options button and add a hostname setting with the desired value. Then
reboot Solaris and it picks up the hostname.


author: veda

subject: Computing zero set of function of two variables

text:
Hi,

I am interested to know ways of achieving the following -

Lets say you have a function of two variables (z=z(x,y) )available to
you defined on a "grid" of points (x_i,y_i ), say, uniformly spaced on
the domain

The data may be available to you in the form

x1, y1, z1
x2, y2, z2
.....

in an array if it is convenient.

Using the "grid" (note that these are not finite elements, merely
square grid of points), how do you compute the curve(s) that represent
the set of points where z=0 on the domain?
In other words I am looking for routines to compute zero set of
function of two or more variables. Ultimately I want to be able to
"plot" these curves.

Your help will be greatly appreciated.

- Veda.


author: Terence

subject: Re: Computing zero set of function of two variables

text:
This is a three-dimensional system, which at best will have sets of a
two-dimensional surfaces fitting the points within some acceptable
(usually least sum-of-square distnces of points along perpendicuar to
the nearest point on the curve).
You can ask for the best fit of a single surface, but often a set of
non-intersecting surfaces may be a better representation.

There are sevral methods, depending on the treatment desired..
Commercial packages have all of them.

If you need to do it yourself, for plotting, I suggest you look up
"hidden line removal Algorithm" , I think, in proceedings of the ACS in
the early 1980's.. The whole Fortran code was given, which I carefully
typed into my computer and forgot where I put it, some 20 years and
hundreds of backup disks later.


author: glen herrmannsfeldt

text:
veda wrote:

(snip)

There are routines to do contour plots.  That sounds like what you want.

I believe there is a routine in
http://ftp.riken.go.jp/pub/iris/ugs/ugs.tar.gz

to do it.

-- glen


author: Beliavsky

text:
glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:

I would call Gnuplot (a good, free, and portable graphing program) from
Fortran using the "system" command (an extension present in most
Fortran compilers) to create contour plots, or on Unix, using
gnuplotfortran http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnuplotfortran .


author: Someone

subject: What is PowerSum, and how is it related to Cat?

text:
I bought a 12 port Leviton patch block from Ebay.  It was supposed to
be their "Gigamax" line, which is Cat5e.

Instead, I was shipped a panel that says "PowerSum" on it.

What is this, and is it better or worse than the Gigamax?  I can't
find any info on this at Leviton's web site.


author: Alan T. Shot

subject: Re: What is PowerSum, and how is it related to Cat?

text:
powersum is the level below gigamax. The line card I have shows
powersum(cat5), then gigamax(cat5e), then extreme6(based on proposed cat6
specs).

Hope that helps.

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author: Luc The Perverse

subject: Re: Console gamers, know the roots of survival horror games: Infogrames ALONE IN THE DARK on PC floppy disks

text:
"Zaghadka" <[email]> wrote in message
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^^

Consider yourself ch0wned


author: Boll Weevil

subject: Cents per Megabyte calculator...............................................anybody have one?

text:
Hi folks.. Im going through a bunch old purchase orders and I'm trying
to figure out our historical cost per megabyte.  Is there an simple
calculator around or fumula to convert gigabytes and $ to cents/mb?
Thanx.


author: Scott

subject: Re: Cents per Megabyte calculator...............................................anybody have one?

text:
(1$/GB) * (1GB/1000MB) * (100cents/1$) = .1cents/MB

Thus, To get from $/GB to cents/MB just divide by 10.

"Boll Weevil" <[email]> wrote in message
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author: Nik Simpson

text:
Boll Weevil wrote:

You are kidding right?

Just going back to Algebra 101, the following sounds quite a reasonable
approach:

1GB=1000MB
$1 = 100C

So (GB*1000)/($ * 100) or if you want to get clever (GB*10)/$

Geez ;-)


author: Blackbird

text:
Nik,
it looks that you can extend your formula to other currencies, just in case
you want
to start a business....
My 0.02 ?

"Nik Simpson" <[email]> wrote in message
news:hZv1b.2457$[email]...


text:
Blackbird wrote:
That's the wonder of Algebra :-)

BTW, is that 0.02 Dollars, or some other currency.


text:
That's EURO 'cause I'm in EUROpe and it translates to $0.01839 these days
:-)

"Nik Simpson" <[email]> wrote in message
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author: Verizon

text:
One minor correction,
1 GB=1024 MB, not 1000MB.
"Blackbird" <[email]> wrote in message
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author: Malcolm Weir

text:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:12:06 GMT, "Verizon" <[email]>
wrote:

Not true.

If you want to use SI prefixes, use SI multipliers!

There *are* SI prefixes for "1024", though.

So  1GB = 1000MB; 1MB=1000KB; 1KB=1000 Bytes!
and 1GiB= 1024MiB; 1MiB=1024KiB; 1KiB=1024 Bytes

Disk vendors use mostly decimal prefixes.  Well, nearly.  They say
that 2000 sectors (each 512 bytes) is 1MB, when in fact it's
1,024,000Bytes.  Which has no SI multiplier!

So actually 1GB = 2000000 sectors

[ The telcos and networking folk use the true decimal multipliers:
1Mb/sec is 1000000 bits/sec ]

Malc.


author: sense of reason

subject: Is anyone using Extent RBS billing and Authentication software?

text:
I am a beta tester with them and am wondering if there are many others
around that would like to form a knowledge group, as Extent seem to have
limited capacity in this area.
I can be contacted at [email]


subject: Linux Laptops now unbeatable

text:
Linux Laptops now unbeatable
----------------------------

Linux laptops are reaching the shelves
and they are now unbeatable.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2015171/system76-unveils-an-extreme-performance-ubuntu-linux-laptop.html

It had to happen.

We all know why Linux is used in supercomputers.

The public got conned with the netbook fiasco organized by micorshaft
to deny the public their fast perfoming netbooks.

But it that criminal effort by the suits against the public, students
and the techies has failed to stem the tide
of Linux in laptop hitting the shelves that are unbeatable.
Linux gaming frame rates are higher than any other
competing OS and it should be even higher for all those
manufacturers who cooperate with porting Linux
drivers.

Thos who don't cooperate with open source like microshaft and its
allies - give it a miss! Second rate
hardware and slow proprietary drivers do not lead
to a good user experience.


author: DFS

subject: Re: Linux Laptops now unbeatable

text:
On 11/22/2012 2:46 PM, 7 wrote:

Powerful Linux laptops have been around for years; nobody cared then,
nobody cares now, and nobody will ever care.

The problem is they run Linux.  Get it?


author: Snit

subject: Re: Linux Laptops now unbeatable

text:
On 11/22/12 12:46 PM, in article Nivrs.967097$[email]4, "7"
<[email]> wrote:

I am quite certain none of these laptops are super computers. They are in
the desktop / laptop category.

When and if the desktop Linux becomes good enough to entice users it will be
sold by the OEMs in massive quantities. Stop making excuses.

--
"90% of computers use Microsoft's Windows ... Macs account for 9% of the
market while the open source system Linux accounts for 0.8%."
-- Linus Torvalds


author: Henk & Ingrid

subject: Re: Linux Laptops now unbeatable

text:
Tard 7 wrote:
System76?, never heard of it.
Nobody is interested in your Ubuntu shitware!
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Linux&qpcustomb=0
Now run along Josh!


author: -hh

subject: Linux Laptops now unbeatable

text:
Oh, so they're now "unbeatable"?

Are you willing to pony up a $100 bet that Linux will thus have a 10% Marketshare by next year?

Express interest and we'll hammer out the specifics of the terms...

-hh


author: philo

subject: Re: Linux Laptops now unbeatable

text:
On 11/22/2012 01:46 PM, 7 wrote:

Thanks for posting the link.

I read the comments on the page and there was unanimous disappointment
that the mfg of the machine went with a *non* LTS version of Linux. Had
they gone with an LTS version it would more than likely have gotten praise.

Also: I did not see the price listed anywhere but if it's under 1000 USD
it's probably a good deal.


subject: Re: Linux Laptops now unbeatable

text:
On 11/22/12 1:09 PM, in article [email],
"Henk & Ingrid" <[email]> wrote:

System76 is a company that will be bought by Dell or HP if and when desktop
Linux earns a spot on the desktop of the general consumer.

--

"Maybe it wouldn't be quite as good, but we would all be okay."
- Richard Stallman, speaking about if his ideas were followed


subject: Re: Linux Laptops now unbeatable

text:
On 11/22/2012 5:59 PM, -hh wrote:

Remember, these losers don't even know what 'Linux' is, let alone
'marketshare'.


author: Nobody

subject: Re: Linux Laptops now unbeatable

text:
On 11/22/2012 4:59 PM, -hh wrote:
The terms would be you placing the wager money in an escrow account and
paying all the costs of the independent judging organization that
oversees the bet.


subject: Re: Linux Laptops now unbeatable

text:
Yes, a third party held Escrow is a requirement.

The reason why is because I've seen far too many arrogant loudmouths who predictably become welchers.

The other main requirement are clear, iron-clad terms that can't be weaseled out of either, through elimination of loopholes.

-hh


subject: Re: Linux Laptops now unbeatable

text:
Snit wrote:

Of course and most people ignore the babblings in the article anyway and
move on to the important stuff.
Notice the link on the right: "Superguide, Superguide Windows 7, Quickly
master the basics of using Windows 7."
"7" just advocated Windows 7, LMFAO


subject: Re: Linux Laptops now unbeatable

text:
On 11/22/2012 9:01 PM, -hh wrote:

When dealing with people like you.

You see one of those in every mirror you look at.

Yes, it's a given those things are necessary for dealing with people
like you.  That's why you'll be required to pay the cost of the
arbitrator who will judge who has won the bet.


subject: Re: Linux Laptops now unbeatable

text:
On 11/22/2012 10:08 PM, Nobody wrote:

There's no indication -hh would welch.  He's not one of the babbling
idiots (cola Linux "advocates") that makes inane claims and runs away
constantly: Fraud 7, Rex Ballard, RonG, Hypocrite Homer, etc.


subject: Re: Linux Laptops now unbeatable

text:
On 11/22/12 8:08 PM, in article k8mpb8$gk7$[email], "Nobody"
<[email]> wrote:

I am happy to act as Escrow.

--
"But I have never, ever even run a Linux server and I don't even want
to; it's not what I'm interested in. I'm more of a desktop guy."
-- Linus Torvalds


author: Jon Richards

subject: LIL....... ( and thats all)

text:
Subject says it all really.
Trying to install linux but when booting from disk a1.3 all we get is-
LIL, then nothing happens. Presumably the machine hangs (keyboard locks up).
Any help would be much apreciated.
Yours frustratedly,

Jon, E-Mail : [email]
Spacetech, Space Science Resources.
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, and are
not necessarily those of Spacetech.


author: Mark Smith

subject: Re: LIL....... ( and thats all)

text:
In article <[email]> [email] writes:

  I got a similar problem when I origonally tried to install linux..  I
was installing from 3.5 disks and got nothing more than LIL?   (I got a
questionmark at the end of my text)..  The floppy continued to spin,
but it was deader than a door nail.. I'm not sure what the problem was, but
when I went to 5.25", that seemed to fix it..


author: Guru Aleph_Null

subject: Re: LIL....... ( and thats all)

text:
[email] (Jon Richards) writes:

How long did you wait? When I booted from the a1.3 disk, it seemed to
be *very* slow booting indeed! Since you probably already waited a
long time, I would dd/rawrite the a1.3 image again on a "fresh" floppy
(formatted of course) and try again. :(


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: LIL....... ( and thats all)

text:
In article <[email]> [email] writes:
try installing lilo on /dev/hda instead of the first partition!
worked overhere !

_____
Danny


subject: Re: LIL....... ( and thats all)

text:
[email] writes:

Uh... one can hardly install LILO anywhere when the boot disk won't boot. :)


author: Danny ter Haar

subject: Re: LIL....... ( and thats all)

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Guru Aleph_Null) writes:
hmm , this is what happens if you don't open 2 eyes in the morning... :-)
sorry, didn't read right, had some trouble installing lilo on several
harddisk partitions and when installing to the harddisk itself....

_____
Danny


author: frank mobl young

subject: Re: LIL....... ( and thats all)

text:
[email] (Guru Aleph_Null) writes:

Jeez.  Simple:  using FDISK, set ONLY the disk with lilo as the active
partition.  Disable any others.  Should work.  Give it a try.
						Frank


author: Mike Lipsie MPU

subject: Re: Crash and Burn: Windows 95

text:
In article <3mbvtu$[email]>,
Christopher B. Browne <[email]> wrote:

Nonsense.

I stopped by Fry's (here in Silicon Valley, it is computer nerd heaven -
the potato chips are next to the memory chips :-) and noted the software
that they carried.

They have a little over two aisles (whatever they are callled, they are
about 100 feet long and have seven or eight shelves with supports every
five feet or so) of DOS/Windows (mostly Windows) software.  They have
about 2/3 of an aisle of Mac software.  They have two shelves (about
5 feet each) of Windows NT and about the same of OS/2 Warp.  They have
absolutely no OS/2 applications.

Therefore, by your logic there is no OS/2 application for sale.


author: Jon Yaeger

subject: Re: LC III & monitor Question

text:
In article
<[email]>,
Tom Kruesel <[email]> wrote:

No.

      [email]


subject: Default priority for a unix process

text:
Hi,
I have a small query. We can enhance priority of a process using nice
and renice commands in unix. The priority can range from -19 to 20. But
I would like to know where is the defination been done that if a
particular is process is forked it would have a priority of say 'x' .
And can this be modified. Is it defined somewhere in the kernel or some
config file .

Thanks
Mohan


author: Bill Marcum

subject: Re: Default priority for a unix process

text:
On 11 Nov 2005 03:26:17 -0800, [email]
  <[email]> wrote:
A child process inherits its parent's priority.


subject: Re: Default priority for a unix process

text:
I understand that; what I want to know is where is it defined that by
default a process will have this priority ( nice value ) when it is
started ( even from the first process since the system is booted).

Regards
Mohan


author: Barry Margolin

subject: Re: Default priority for a unix process

text:
In article <[email]>,
 [email] wrote:

init, the initial process, starts with nice = 0, and everything inherits
from this.  I expect this is hard-coded in the kernel, but if you want
to be sure why don't you read the source?


subject: Struts Validator floatRange has roundoff error

text:
The Struts Validator floatRange seems to have roundoff error.

For the validation.xml configuration snippet below, user input of
90.00001 fails validation, as expected, but 90.000001 does not.

<field property="baseLocalities.latitude" depends="float,floatRange">
	<var>
		<var-name>min</var-name>
		<var-value>-90</var-value>
	</var>
	<var>
		<var-name>max</var-name>
		<var-value>90</var-value>
	</var>
</field>

Is this a known problem?
What is the best way to work around it?

Thanks,
Michael


author: Roedy Green

subject: Re: Struts Validator floatRange has roundoff error

text:
On 30 Sep 2005 08:40:15 -0700, "m_p_v_13" <[email]> wrote
or quoted :

I did not analyse your particular problem, but nearly always such
anomalies are God's fault for making 0.1 a repeating fraction when
expressed in binary.  See http://mindprod.com/floatingpoint.html


author: Andrew Thompson

text:
Roedy Green wrote:

Did God command us to use base 10?  In fact, what with the
entire Adam/Eve, 2x2 on the ark deal, it would seem '2'
is more likely the 'divine' number (for the Judeo-Christians).
If we didn't use base 10, why would we think twice about
the representation of such an obscure fraction as 1/10?


author: Michael Wallack

subject: Re: My system tray volume icon disappeared !

text:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

try:
control panel| multimedia|audio  check the box :show volume control on
taskbar

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begin:          vcard
fn:             Michael Wallack
n:              Wallack;Michael
org:            Department of Political Science,  Memorial University
email;internet: [email]
title:          Associate Professor
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author: Michael Nahrath

subject: Re: Style Sheets and Old Browsers?

text:
Cari D. Burstein <[email]> wrote:

how comes, someone with tht topic writes such bad HTML?

IE 4.5(Mac) crashes, iCab shows a lot of severe mistakes (for example
another <HTML><HEAD>-Section right in the middle of the code).

Are you _shure_ they know anything about web-design?

Michi


author: Jay Mookherje

subject: Minimum rectangle enclosing a set of 2D points

text:
Hi !
        Does anybody have any C code or algorithm which will compute the
minimum rectangle enclosing a set of 2D points ? Please forward all responses
to [email].

Thanks in advance,
Jay


author: Dave Wiley

subject: Re: Minimum rectangle enclosing a set of 2D points

text:
[email] (Jay Mookherje) writes:

Are you having any difficulty with the other homework problems?


author: Lee Lorenz

text:
Jay Mookherje <[email]> writes:

That one should be simple... just find the min/max x and y points... and
voila! minimum rectangle enclosing the points.

			Lee Lorenz


author: Dan Kearns

text:
In article <[email]>,
Lee Lorenz  <[email]> wrote:

Umm, I think he probaly meant _any_ rectangle, not just one parallel to
the axes.

This might not be the fastest way of it, but find the min/max x&y, then
do it again but with rotated coordinates and go all the way around, then
find the minimum rectangle from the resulting set of rectangles. would this
be a minimum of area or cirumference btw?

-d


author: Rob Walker

text:
In article <[email]>,
Lee Lorenz  <[email]> wrote:

Nice idea, unfortunately this assumes that the minimum rectangle will have its
sides parallel to the coordinate axes - probably a bad assumption.
For example:

                             X

                        X               X

                       X

                                  X

I guarantee that the minimum rectangle for these points is not:

                       __________________
                       |                |
                       |                |
                       |                |
                       |                |
                       |                |
                       |                |
                       __________________

In fact, all five points will have a bearing on the minimum rectangle here; it
will probably have one side passing through the two leftmost points and the
other sides at right angles and as close as possible to the centre.  But this
is just a guess.  You need to worry about the minimal enclosing polygon for
the convex hull of the points.  Hopefully there is a method simpler than
having to calculate the entire convex hull; you should try asking on one of
the math newsgroups as I recall a recent discussion on the subject there.

Good luck!
  Rob


author: Joseph O'Rourke

text:
In article <[email]>,
Dan Kearns <[email]> wrote:
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The question is: how finely must the search loop run in order to be
certain not to miss the minimum?  The answer is provided by an old
result that the minimum area enclosing rectangle has one side flush
with an edge of the enclosed convex hull.  So one can rotate to the next
hull edge, make one rectangle side flush with it, construct the other
three sides, compute its area, and proceed as Dan suggests.  This
algorithm is known as the "rotating caliper" algorithm for obvious
reasons; it is due to Godfried Toussaint.


author: Kenneth Sloan

text:
In article <2se380$[email]> [email] (Joseph O'Rourke) writes:

Two comments:

First - the original poster hasn't yet specified what he means by
"minimal".  Area?  Perimeter?  Width?  Length?  What?

Second - at the level Joe describes it, the "rotate to the next hull
edge" algorithm is much, much older than Toussaint's "rotating caliper".
[Well...perhaps it's better to describe the older methods as "for each
hull edge", rather than "rotate to the next hull edge".]  Tossaint's
contribution (as I recall) is to make the sequential computation of the
area faster (by making it incremental) - but I might be mistaken about
that.

Third  (I lied...) - if you have a parallel machine, and don't mind a
(bounded) approximation, then you might be interested in:

@techreport{Sloan80d,
author="Sloan, Jr., K.~R.",
title="Analysis of 'Dot Product Space' Shape Descriptions",
number="TR74",
institution="Department of Computer Science, University of Rochester",
address="Rochester, NY",
month="June",
year=1980  }

@article{Sloan82a,
author="Sloan, Jr., Kenneth R.",
title="Analysis of 'Dot Product Space' Shape Descriptions",
journal="IEEE Transactions on Pattern Analysis and Machine Intelligence",
volume="PAMI-4",
number=1,
pages="87--90",
month="January",
year=1982  }

Embarassingly parallelizable, "linear time", and good bounds on the
error.  Dirt trivial to implement, too.  I recommend implementing this
method, and using it while you puzzle out the details of the rotating
calipers.

Don't try to extend it to 3D, though.


text:
In article <2se380$[email]>,
Joseph O'Rourke <[email]> wrote:

Yep, I think Joseph has it.

- Rob


author: Ralph Martin

text:
In article <2sdsmo$[email]> Jay Mookherje, [email]
writes:
responses

I have written a paper which discusses this and related problems. It
basically
uses the idea that Joe O'Rourke mentioned. Plenty of detail is given. The
paper
first appeared in CAD. Another version of it is available for anonymous
ftp:

Machine:
ralph.cm.cf.ac.uk

File:
pub/Geometry/boxing.ps

Ralph


author: Clifford Heath

subject: const_missing - why is it necessary to hook it at Module?

text:
Why doesn't the following code work?

class Foo
	def Foo.const_missing(sym)
		p sym
		sym.to_s
	end
end

Foo.new.instance_eval {
	Bar
}

I thought the missing constant Bar would be caught
by the const_missing, since it's available on the
class whose instance is being instance_eval'd.

What gives? I'm writing a DSL and want to catch missing
constants within a block being instance_eval'd

Clifford Heath.


author: David A. Black

subject: Re: const_missing - why is it necessary to hook it at Module?

text:
Hi --

On 3/18/07, Clifford Heath <[email]> wrote:

All that instance_eval does is set self and execute the block.
Constants don't depend on self for their scope; they use a kind of
quasi-static scoping, and the Bar in your block is resolved
(unsuccessfully) as Bar from the top level.

You'd need to add your const_missing method to Object, so as to cover
the top level.

David


text:
David A. Black wrote:

Ok, thanks David, I figured it was something like that.
There are very few cases where const_missing gets used
(Rails and Rake being two), and it's not obvious from
them or from the documentation that it works like that.

BTW, I recently saw a video of your "Curious developer"
talk on database design at the RailsConf 2006. I expect
to address many of the issues through my "ActiveFacts"
project (this DSL I'm working on is a fact-based data
modeling language). Would you be interested in private
communication regarding this project?

Clifford Heath.


text:
Clifford Heath wrote:

David, I got your response. Perhaps you didn't see mine?

Clifford Heath.


author: Thanh Ma

subject: wksh, dtksh, cdeksh

text:
Hi,

A friend of mine is developing wksh applications and noticed that
the PE has some wksh libraries/files, and the SDK has some others
(he will send me a list of the differences)

Questions:

1) If he is going to copy all wksh stuff from the SDK to the PE and then
   ship the PE with his apps then will there be any licensing issue (as the
   SDK is a separate product) ?

2) There was once a discussion about the _fate_ of wksh but I forgot what
   it was, something about it will be replaced by _dtksh_ (?)
   a) Will wksh be supported ?
   b) if not, what it will be replaced ?
      when ?
      will it be backward compatible with the currrent wksh apps ?

3) CDE has something that is based on ksh93. What will be on UW-2.x, wksh,
   dtksh, cde-ksh, what ?

Thanks,

Thanh Ma
[email]


author: J. Stephen Pendergrast

subject: Re: wksh, dtksh, cdeksh

text:
Thanh Ma ([email]) wrote:

: Hi,

: A friend of mine is developing wksh applications and noticed that
: the PE has some wksh libraries/files, and the SDK has some others
: (he will send me a list of the differences)

: Questions:

: 1) If he is going to copy all wksh stuff from the SDK to the PE and then
:    ship the PE with his apps then will there be any licensing issue (as the
:    SDK is a separate product) ?

I assume you are referring to the convenience functions?  If so, I don't
believe there is any problem.  The convenenience functions
are meant to be used as standard library routines by your programs.  Just
as you can compile one of our SDK header files into a program you write
and may ship that program without any license consequences, you may include
our convenience functions with your shell script product, either by "dotting"
it into your script or including the entire text inside.

: 2) There was once a discussion about the _fate_ of wksh but I forgot what
:    it was, something about it will be replaced by _dtksh_ (?)

Dtksh is likely to be the long term direction of this technology, although
no official announcements have been made by Novell on this point.

Dtksh is based on wksh source code, it was a contribution of Novell's
to the CDE effort.  Think of dtksh as the next generation of wksh technology.

:    a) Will wksh be supported ?

Wksh is supported in 2.0, and in my opininion will be supported
for some number of future releases.  No official announcements have
been made, however.

:    b) if not, what it will be replaced ?
:       when ?

Novell has not announced plans regarding CDE (and hence dtksh) as yet.

:       will it be backward compatible with the currrent wksh apps ?

Dtksh is not strictly backwards compatible with wksh, but it is nearly so.
In practice, I normally can port a Motif wksh script to dtksh in a
very short period of time.  For example, I recently ported a 2000
line script in about 15 minutes.  I think I had to change about 10
lines of code.

Unfortunately, one of the prices of donating the technology to CDE
was that Novell lost strict control of the product; we were not able to
convince the CDE designers to keep dtksh backwards compatible with wksh
(hey, we tried).

Dtksh is Motif-only, is based on ksh-93 which
has many language enhancements (associative arrays, floating point math,
C style "for" loop, string functions, hierarchical variables, and more).
Dtksh also has many enhancements over wksh, much better coverage of Motif,
and also access to CDE specific functionality like the CDE hypertext help
system and ToolTalk. So, there are dependencies between dtksh and CDE.

: 3) CDE has something that is based on ksh93. What will be on UW-2.x, wksh,
:    dtksh, cde-ksh, what ?

Wksh will be supported in UW 2.0 and 2.1.  Beyond that, no
plans have been announced by Novell regarding feature content.

There is no such thing as "cde-ksh".  The CDE version of this technology is
called dtksh.  Think of dtksh as the next generation of wksh technology.

: Thanks,

: Thanh Ma
: [email]

			-Steve P.


author: Dan Busarow

subject: Re: wksh, dtksh, cdeksh

text:
[email] (Thanh Ma) writes:

The information I got from Steve Pendergrast was that the CDE windowing
shell will be dtksh.  Dtksh sounds like a super set of wksh although I
don't have any specific information on the differences.  He said his book
on dtksh will be useful for wksh programming, I've taken that to mean that
dtksh is backwards compatable.

2.0 has wksh.

Dan


subject: Re: wksh, dtksh, cdeksh

text:
Thanks Steve for the info.
Looking forward to your new book .

Thanh Ma
[email]

[email] (J. Stephen Pendergrast) writes:


author: Jorge Fernandez

subject: BIGGER FILE SYSTEM

text:
Is there any BIGGER FILE SYSTEM TYPE on clarion development system??
We have to generate one about 3.5Gb file.

What about Oracle ??

Best Regards,
Jorge Fernandez


author: Edgard L. Riba

subject: Re: BIGGER FILE SYSTEM

text:
Hi Jorge,

ASA 7 (and 8) on WIndows NT can handle files larger than these.   I imagine
Oracle and others do as well, but I'm not familiar with these others.

Best regards,
Edgard L. Riba
www.tabogasoftware.com

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author: Kelvin Chua

subject: Re: BIGGER FILE SYSTEM

text:
Hi Jorge,

In most cases, 4 Giga is the limit.  In some cases, you can split the into
several files, like SAP DB.

In a particular case, Firebird SQL at www.firebirdsql.org will create files
bigger than 4 gigabytes on NT.

Thanks.

Kelvin Chua
SINGAPORE

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author: Tim

subject: Re: BIGGER FILE SYSTEM

text:
Do you have a table that needs to be larger than 4GB or is
this a collection of tables.

Any modern relation dbms can have a database larger
than 4GB. We are using DB2/UDB with 35GB databases and
there are no issues.

Tim

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author: ARMAS

subject: anyone who could answer this will have my respect.hehehe

text:
make a program that would input numbers and output it's roman numeral
equivalent and int words..

EX: input:109 output: CIX one hunderd nine


author: CBFalconer

subject: Re: anyone who could answer this will have my respect.hehehe

text:
ARMAS wrote:

This luser posted this earlier on c.l.c, and didn't get his
homework done.  He did get laughed at.  Now he is just trolling.


author: Jonathan Leffler

text:
ARMAS wrote:

I did that a long time ago - and it wasn't even a homework exercise.
It isn't even particularly difficult.  Maybe you should try doing it?


author: Kenneth Brody

text:
ARMAS wrote:

Several people have answered your homework over in c.l.c