author: Dan Foster

subject: What is this mystery fileset for?

text:
AIX 5.1 on a 6H1:

devices.pci.1410d400

I've done a google search, searched on IBM's website, read this group,
did a 'find' on the NIM master, and other things, but no clue still.

I just need to figure out if it's for something important like SCSI
or something that I can ignore because cfgmgr is complaining about it
being missing, and I don't have any mention of it on any install media!

Is it needed for the FC 6205 PCI Dual channel Ultra2 SCSI adapter (4-R)?

-Dan


author: Dan Million

subject: Re: What is this mystery fileset for?

text:
Dan Foster wrote:

Do you have any non-IBM adapters in the machine?  cfgmgr will frequently
complain that you need driver "devices.pci.so.and.so" when such a driver
does not exist at all (at least not from IBM).

Dan


author: dan

subject: Re: What is this mystery fileset for?

text:
Dan Foster <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

devices.pci.1410d400

This is the device driver for an SP switch.  The fileset should be on
the PSSP media.

-dan


subject: Re: What is this mystery fileset for?

text:
In article <b767ft$g7u$[email]>, Dan Million <[email]> wrote:

No non-IBM adapters; Big Blue all the way (and the managers and budget
people are definitely 'big blue' as a result when it comes to paying out
for the huge mark-ups :-) ).

Someone mentioned it was for a SP switch adapter which makes perfect sense,
as I had forgotten it was originally installed in the machine but
subsequently never set up because we're in the process of retiring the SP
due to ridiculous PSSP licensing costs (and 4.3.3 going out of support Dec
31 this year was the nail in the SP coffin, so to speak).

After debugging my SCSI issue further, I am starting to think that the
problem may be from use of a 20m IBM SCSI cable (even though it works great
with a 2104-DU3) and am looking to get a 3m cable.

It's definitely a big relief to know that the particular fileset in
question was for the SP switch adapter and not the SCSI adapter!

Thanks for the responses - much appreciated.

-Dan


author: David I Schwartz

subject: Qualitative Physics discussions

text:
My original posting never seemed to make it so I'll try again...
Does anyone on the net know if there is a mailing list for Qualitative
Physics discussions? The topic never seems to show up here.  Perhaps, if
there were enough interest we could get a "comp.ai.qualitative-physics"
folder...

Thanks,

David I. Schwartz
[email]


author: Kefeng Hua

subject: Re: Qualitative Physics discussions

text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (David I Schwartz) writes:
|> My original posting never seemed to make it so I'll try again...
|> Does anyone on the net know if there is a mailing list for Qualitative
|> Physics discussions? The topic never seems to show up here.  Perhaps, if
|> there were enough interest we could get a "comp.ai.qualitative-physics"
|> folder...
|>
|> Thanks,
|>
|> David I. Schwartz
|> [email]

I think you need this address: [email]
Send a mail there. They will add your name on the list.

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author: Dennis Decoste

subject: Re: Qualitative Physics discussions

text:
To join the Qualitative Physics mailing list, send an email request to:

[email]


author: Stepan Yerega

subject: two drivers for COM ports

text:
Hello!

Anybody can help me to install TWO different drivers for different COM ports

for example:
serial.sys serves his loved COM1, but COM2 is a trator and wants to be
different ( he wants to be free, and I must help him).

Driver seems to be ready but how it can be installed?

If anybody can help me, PLEASE, send me a sample of INF file.

Stepan


author: IC-BOOK

subject: Re: two drivers for COM ports

text:
If you have on booard com ports (ISA PnP) you can do that by
manualy write another driver (not serial.sys) to second COM port.
But you must have realy another driver, not renamed serial.sys.

For example, you can build this driver from Windows 2000 DDK samples
and change its register name from SERIAL to MY_SERIAL.

If you have PCI multiport it is not so sample, because you need also
to write PCI enumerator.

Alexandr Kouchtch
IC Book
http://www.icbook.com.ua


author: Oleksandr Bublyk

subject: Re: two drivers for COM ports

text:
"IC-BOOK" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I'll try to explain the problem more precisely.
Stepan has written his own driver for COM port and now he wants to change
the standrad driver SERIAL.SYS on his own for particular COM port. So he
wants to know correct way to install it... As I understood the problem is to
write correctly inf-file and may be something else...

May be someone has solved similar problem?

Thanks.


author: Wayne C Knapp

subject: ... don't need ...

text:
Those of us that have been in the computer field for some time have heard
the phase "... don't need ..." many times.

   * people don't need teletypes, cards work fine.
   * people don't need CRT displays, teletypes work fine.
   * computers don't need more than 64k memory! (Remember CP/M)
   * computers don't need more than xxxk memory!
   * programs don't need graphics!
   * computers don't need better graphics!

I bought my Amiga because of the graphics it oftered in 1985.  I'm sure many
people did.  Now there are a lot of voices saying you don't need better
graphics!  As far as I'm concerned these people are looking backwards instead
of forwards to the future.  It doesn't matter if I need it or not, I want it.
Many people want better graphics.  Many people will pay for it.  Computers
that fulfill peoples wants will sell well, the ones that don't will die.  In
the computer world this year's wants often become next year's needs.  Who
would think of using cards today for program storage?

If the Amiga doesn't give me what I want, I'll buy a machine that does when
I get the chance.  Better graphics are very important, not because of need,
but because of want.  If the Amiga can't fulfill peoples wants, it will not
last.

                                                Wayne Knapp


author: Michael Portuesi

subject: Re: ... don't need ...

text:
Agreed. the only point I was trying to make was that for some problems
to be solved, you need capability X.  I understand as well as anyone
that the average buy computers to solve problems, and only the hackers
buy computers for technolgy's sake.

Well, I wasn't insisting that Commodore put 24-bit color into their
machines -- I was thinking something small and incremental, along the
lines of:

	* adding the other two bitplane pointer registers
	* increasing the color resolution by 1 bit each for R, G, and
	  B, using 15 bits in each 16-bit color register instead of 12
	* adding an 8-bitplane HAM mode.  This would be active
	  whenever the HAM bit is set and 8 bitplanes are active.

This would give you 32 greyscales at once in lo-res without
restrictions, 32768 maximum colors instead of 4096, and provide a new
HAM mode that can put all 32768 colors on the display at once.  But
from past discussions, it seems impossible to engineer this into the
current implementation of the Amiga chip set.  So I'll shut up now.

				--M


author: Mike Real Amigas have keyboard garages Meyer

subject: Re: ... don't need ...

text:
I keep seeing people making a silly mistake - assuming that people buy
a system because it has N bits of color, or multitasking, or whatever.
While it's true that some people buy machines for those reasons, most
people approach it with "I need a machine to solve problem X," not "I
need a machine with capability X." For a fair number of those people,
"problem X" is "my current machine is to slow." Also, many of those
people aren't willing to pay very much for abilities that they don't
see as relating to solving of their particular "problem X."

In other words, it's not whether "computers do/don't need" things,
it's whether people think they need computers with/without those
features. If you add a feature most people don't think they need while
driving the cost up noticably, you'll lose sales.

	<mike


subject: Re: ... don't need ...

text:
and let's not forget the famous

     * computers don't need multitasking.

Really, all of the arguments I've seen in this group (and received via
email) saying that the Amiga doesn't need things like 24-bit color
read a lot like the IBM/Apple/Atari people saying why they don't need
multitasking.  Sure, you can get by without it, but it's one more
feature that makes you more productive and distinguishes your system
from the rest.

As far as the people who think the Amiga's graphics problems can be
overcome by third-party expansions, might I remind you that the Amiga
is a powerful machine because of all the standard features that it
offers, and the synergy between these standard features and the
software.  24-bit color out of the box is far more powerful than
24-bit color with some bizarro third-party add-on, because at least a
magnitude more packages and applications will be written to take
advantage of features that are native to the host machine.

			--M


author: David C. Navas

subject: Re: ... don't need ...

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Michael Portuesi) writes:

I think there are two issues.

Issue one: Whether Joe Schmoe [that's me]
wants to pay for 24 bit color, and put up with the resulting performance
degredation.

   Well, I for one, don't, can't, and won't.  Until I can afford it :)
   That, [un]fortunately (you decide) is the mass market that Cmdre
   has the dealership to sell to.  They are not Silicon Graphics, and
   are not likely to become them anytime soon.

Issue two: Whether the Amiga needs a 24 bit standard to rest on, gfx
library support, etc.

   The answer, I think everyone will agree, is a hearty yes.  Let's
   try and solve the software problem first -- that's the cheap end
   of the issue [more or less].  Hardware add-ons by third parties
   can then be far more adequate to satisfy high-end folks.

David Navas                                   [email]
"Excuse my ignorance, but I've been run over by my train of thought."  -me


author: Neil Zanella

subject: VCD file format

text:
Hello,

I would like to know where I can find the specification of the VCD file
format which is sometimes used to describe waveforms. Also, does anyone
know of the existence of (possibly free) VCD wave form viewers for Linux?

Thanks,

Neil


author: Larry Doolittle

subject: Re: VCD file format

text:
Neil Zanella wrote:

Funny, if I cut and paste "VCD wave form viewers for Linux" into google,
and punch "I'm feeling lucky", I go straight to an answer to your question.

I personally use gtkwave.

        - Larry


author: Ajeetha Kumari

subject: Re: VCD file format

text:
Neil,
    VCD specification is part of Verilog IEEE Standard itself. I
remember that some old version of the LRM was available with VCS
installations (look for ovi*.ps under VCS installation tree - if you
have VCS of-course).

  About waveform viewer, I use GTKWave and am quite happy with it.

HTH,
Ajeetha
http://www.noveldv.com

Neil Zanella <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...


author: Ajay

subject: Where can i get a Unix type  shell for NT

text:
Hi,

Does anyone know where I can get a Unix type shell (korn, borne or bsh ) etc
to run on NT4.0.
 I need to write some fairly complex Unix shell scripts managing an
overnight batch process on Unix, but at the moment I don't have access to a
Unix machine; only my NT notebook.

Therefore if I can get hold of an Unix shell interpreter program to run on
NT I'll be saved.

please reply to this news posting or to my hotmail account
[email]
Any assistance appreciated.


author: Nicole Hamilton

subject: Re: Where can i get a Unix type  shell for NT

text:
"Ajay" <[email]> wrote:

Please take a look at Hamilton C shell, a complete recreation from
scratch of the UNIX C shell and utilities (grep, fgrep, head, tail,
sed, diff, cmp, cut, paste, xargs, su, cron, tar, strings, more, ls,
mv, cp, rm, etc.) with many enhancements including command line
editing, command and filename completion, procedures, local variables,
floating point, improved wildcarding, and much more.  You can learn
more and download a free working demo version at
http://www.hamiltonlabs.com/cshell.htm.  I am the author, so if you
have any questions, just let me know.

Regards,
Nicki Hamilton

Nicole Ashley Hamilton    KD1UJ    [email]
http://www.hamiltonlabs.com   Phone 978-440-8307  FAX 978-440-8308
Hamilton Laboratories, 61 Fairbank Road, Sudbury, MA  01776-1620, USA


author: Tom Grenier

text:
I think there are several products out there -- but I have been using MKS
Toolkit (http://www.mks.com/) for years, and have been very happy with their
product.

Tom

Ajay wrote:


author: Ron Reidy

text:
Ajay wrote:
cygwin is free at http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/download.html


author: Earl

subject: Re: Where can i get a Unix type shell for NT

text:
I just installed cygwin under NT4 and it works great.
However, there is no "vi" editor included in the download.
Anyone knows why and/or how I can get one ?

Daniel Brack wrote (on Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:49:17):


text:
Just do a search for vi on the net -- there are several out there for free.
Some even color code for some languages.  I remember vim as one of them.  I have
mks toolkit which includes vi -- but mks is not free.

Tom

Earl wrote:


author: BDAWG

text:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:01:43 +1100, Earl <[email]> wrote:

Try this one...

http://www.vim.org

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text:
Installed the 32bit dos version to run under NT4 and used the soft link "ln -s" command within the
cygwin distribution.
This has made the vi editor look like its is part of the cygwin distribution (i.e no new windows are spawned
when I run the editor from a cygwin prompt).
thanks!!!!

BDAWG wrote (on Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:35:02):


author: Sven Templin

subject: One device driver for all digital cameras searched

text:
Hello all,

I am looking for a device driver for MS Windows compatible operating
systems, which covers a large quantity of different digital cameras
(older and newer, different manufacturers, etc.). May somebody help?

Thanks, Sven


author: Don

subject: Re: One device driver for all digital cameras searched

text:
You didn't tell us which version of Windows you're using.  If you are using
Windows XP, it includes the drivers for most current and recent older models
of digital cameras. If you are using Windows 98SE you will probably have to
load the camera manufacturers' drivers for each camera.  Anything older than
Win98SE has problems with USB ports, and is difficult to use with a digital
camera.

Don

"Sven Templin" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


text:
Hello Don,

thank you for the reply. Yes I know about the problems with different
MS operating systems and different digital cameras. There is a company
which has to support different cameras on MS Windows OS. On W95 they
can install USB support by using a service pack, XP and W2000 are
supporting USB. But they do not want to install hundred of camera
drivers. Newer cameras will be supported as USB mobile memory/disk,
but older cameras running with proprietary drivers. I heard that a
software exists, which supports many cameras, but I do not know the
name. Other proposals welcome.

Thanks, Sven

"Don" <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...


author: Valentin Hilbig

subject: Combined Gopher 2.012 patches (very long diff)

text:
Hello again,

last week I posted a long diff already. This diff here contains that
last one, too (mainly because I am too busy to create partial diffs).
As usual, the diff is appended behind the .sig, so that this article
can be feed to patch directly.

Note that the patches are not only useful for the gopher server.

Highlights of this diff:
-  One completely new patch, in total two and a half are from me
-  Contains most of the other patches which were found in c.i.g
-  Does not contain patches I do not consider useful, like
   + allow ' or " in filenames
   + send lines containing single dots from shell commands,
     while duplicate the dot else (would be Gopher+ protocol
     violation)
   + any deletion of lines using patch
     instead I comment lines out using #if 0...#endif

What do the patches do? (as far as I remember)
-  Clients running on EOF don't loop any more
-  Client now calls Viewers with correct arguments on all platforms
-  STRlen() fix added so that client and server don't core
   unconditionally
-  some other Bugs around the new String allocation scheme are fixed
-  ASK can return binary files (untested)
-  Server tests for all possible file extensions (and compressors)
   under non En_US language.
-  There are no more empty Host-entries in the menu if you try to
   make files accessible under another view. Unused menu entries (in
   .names) are silently ignored.

The last two patches are mainly interesting when updateing the Server
from Gopher to Gopher+. Without this patches Gopher+ sometimes interprets
the contents of .names (or .cap) in a strange way (you see the menu
structure as usual, but you cannot access some files). However, both
patches do not help if you want to access Gopher+ with non-+ Gopher
clients (I think).

Patches from following Peoples were involved (list may be incomplete):
-  [email] (Brandon S. Plewe)
-  [email] (R.S.Jones)
-  [email] (Don Gilbert)
-  [email] (Mike Cherry)
-  [email] (Sven Goldt)
and of course
-  lindner@arcwelder (Paul Lindner)

Hint:
Perhaps you do not want to apply this diff to your sources because
this diff is relative to the original gopher2.012.tar. So make a
new directory, untar the original gopher2.012 into it and apply the
patch to the original data. This way you get exaclty the sourcecode
I use here. Afterwards you can see the real differences using diff
between your version and mine.

Everything comes with absolutely no warranty like ever.
... if you break anything, you own all parts.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Combined Gopher 2.012 patches (very long diff)

text:
Hi netters,

I got the Gopher 2.012 and get it compiled, core domped when I run the
gopher client.  Then I tried the patches from Valentin Hilbig, the same
problem exist.  The core dump occured when it tries to retrieve
directory form the server.

My system is running on Solaris 2.3.

Any suggestions will be appreciated!

Kin-Ping HUI
Computer Centre
City Polytechnic of Hong Kong
[email]


author: R. Stewart Ellis

text:
The lead in material for this patch mentions it is supposed to fix
"unconditional core dumps".  Might this have anything to do with the client
dumping core during mail?

What about the other two bugs I have been complaining about: 1)misparsing
directories returned from ftp sites that do not have spaces between the
fields, 2)incorrectly giving one entry in a gopher directory the name of the
previous entry.

Any of these three problems makes gopherd 2.012 and its client unusable.


author: Sheryl Coppenger

text:
In article <[email]>,  <[email]> wrote:

I'm running gopher on Solaris 2.3 with no patches and no problems except
for a couple of pesky bugs like dumping core when you try to email a
file. :-P  It's a pretty vanilla install.  My SERVEROPTS are
-DSETPROCTITLE -DCAPFILES -DADD_DATE_AND_TIME, no CLIENTOPTS.


text:
In article <[email]>, [email] () writes:
|> I got the Gopher 2.012 and get it compiled, core domped when I run the
|> gopher client.  Then I tried the patches from Valentin Hilbig, the same
|> problem exist.  The core dump occured when it tries to retrieve
|> directory form the server.

Sounds like it is a basic problem, perhaps wrong compile time options. I have no
other clue for you, I am sorry. The client runs under AIX without such problems
here.

|> My system is running on Solaris 2.3.
|>
|> Any suggestions will be appreciated!

Note that I am mainly working on the server. Some patches apply to the directory
with common subroutines, such that the client is fixed a little bit.


text:
In article <ellis.764420816@nova>, [email] (R. Stewart Ellis) writes:
|> The lead in material for this patch mentions it is supposed to fix
|> "unconditional core dumps".  Might this have anything to do with the client
|> dumping core during mail?

Maybee .. I personally work on the Server and (for the moment) not on the client.
Perhaps I am wrong and it does not fix the mail problem, but you should apply
the patch by [email] (Alan Coopersmith)
posted just a few days ago, which much more elegantly fixes the STRlen() problem.

You should apply following patches, too, which fix clear bugs:
- lindner@arcwelder (Paul Lindner)
- [email] (Sven Goldt)
and (it is about mail problem)
- [email] (Mike Cherry)

If you cannot find a patch in this newsgroup any more, just e-mail to me.
I can bounce it to you. But sometimes allow some days processing time, because
I am not in the university each day.

|> What about the other two bugs I have been complaining about: 1)misparsing
|> directories returned from ftp sites that do not have spaces between the
|> fields, 2)incorrectly giving one entry in a gopher directory the name of the
|> previous entry.

I did not observe both bugs until now, because I struggled with installing
Gopher for the (my) first time. Perhaps the last bug is fixed already, but I
think the first one will be still there for sure. Please e-mail to me a
description of your problem and I will try to fix it (because later on I must
fix it anyway). The description (for both) should be long and with much sample
data intermixed, so that I can reproduce it without problems - the longer, the
better :)

|> Any of these three problems makes gopherd 2.012 and its client unusable.

That is one of my biggest problems, because I am responsible here for setting up
a gopher+ server. That is why I am glad to receive error reports from other people
because I have not enough time (and imagination) to find all the bugs myself :)


author: Russ Bobbitt

subject: Navigational panels and relative links in latex2html

text:
Hi,

How do you tell latex2html generate images for the navigational panels
that are relative links? By default, the <img> tags' src attributes
point to the absolute path to the images in the latex2html
distribution directory (e.g. <img ...
src="file:/usr/local/lib/latex2html/icons/next.png">).

The problem is that when I move the output directory to another
machine, the links obviously become dead.  I suppose what I expected
was for latex2html to copy the images from the icons directory to the
directory it creates and then provide relative links to the copied
icons.

I have a feeling I'm missing something really obvious here.

Russ


author: Georg Kraml

subject: Re: Navigational panels and relative links in latex2html

text:
Hi,

Russ Bobbitt wrote:

Using the -local_icons option (or, alternatively, setting $LOCAL_ICONS
to 1) should to the trick. To quote from the online manual:

   [...]
   A copy of each of the icons actually used within the document
   is placed in the directory along with the HTML files and
   generated images. This allows the whole document to be fully
   self-contained, within this directory;
   [...]

I guess that should solve your relocation problem.

Best regards,
Georg


text:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 04:47:12 +0100, Georg Kraml
<[email]> wrote:

It certainly did. Clearly, I *was* missing something obvious. Thanks!

Russ


author: Bruce Richardson

subject: Re: How to buy online from US to Canada

text:
Dont buy from the states if you are in Canada
More than often we get stuff cheaper here in Canada, Harddrives for sure!
Call me Toll Free and see if we can't match or beat the prices you are getting.
Bruce 1-800-567-8481

Don wrote:


author: Ray

subject: Converting parallel port? ? ?

text:
A friend recently purchased a new Dell laptop, unaware that it didn't have a
parallel port. We got one of those mini-docks, but had a hell of a time
getting the old printer -- a HP LaserJet6L -- to print. It's still not
entirely satisfactory. We're constantly having to tinker with settings.

Is there some piece of equipment which can reliably convert a parallel
printer cable to a USB port?


author: Barry Watzman

subject: Re: Converting parallel port? ? ?

text:
Yes, there are USB to parallel adapters that will probably work in most
cases.

Ray wrote:


author: bobb

subject: Re: Converting parallel port? ? ?

text:
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:08:36 GMT, "Ray"
<[email]> wrote:

Dunno, but most laserjet would have an ethernet adapter/print server
as optional equipment. That would be the sure-fire way for the printer
to work nice.


subject: Re: Converting parallel port? ? ?

text:
Thanks Barry --

On an entirely different subject, do you know the minimum requirements for a
laptop to support Windows XP?

For instance, would a Compaq Presario 1200 series, circa 1998, with a small
HDD, take Win XP?

-- Ray
"Barry Watzman" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


subject: Re: Converting parallel port? ? ?

text:
Thanks Bobb -- I thought of that. I use a print server myself. But she
doesn't want to install an ethernet system. Her needs are very limited. In
addition, I have to say, I had a difficult time getting my Linksys print
server to working properly.

-- Ray
"bobb" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


subject: Re: Converting parallel port? ? ?

text:
I'd say that the absolute minimum to support XP is 192 meg of memory and
a Pentium II processor, 266 MHz or greater.  But that is absolute
minimum, it might run, but you wont' like it.  Hard drive is the least
of your problems, you can load XP in only a gigabyte or 2, and you can
get 4 to 10 gig hard drives for almost nothing, and hard drives are easy
to upgrade.

However, you could run into situations in which there are no XP drivers
for the video or sound or some other semi-critical component.

Ray wrote:


subject: Re: Converting parallel port? ? ?

text:
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:06:26 GMT, "Ray"
<[email]> wrote:

Min 4 GIG, 128MB, 100 GHZ.

It will run very sloooooowly, but it will run.


author: George R.

subject: Re: how to creat a dished wire mesh model

text:
Question for bob z.

Bob z. I am curious why you used Surface-Sweeps for the Wires? Is
there any advantage to using a Surface-Sweep instead of a Solid
Base-Sweep?


author: bob zee

text:
"George R." <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Mr. Dunn answered this correctly.  bob z. drew this in 2001+...
our IT/IS genius doesn't see us going to 2003 till late february at the
soonest.  why?  because he has to figure out how to 'ghost' 2003 to all of
us.  IRRITATING!!!

bob z.


author: Dale Dunn

text:
[email] (George R.) wrote in
news:[email]:

I think he did it in 2001+ which would not have allowed the multiple bodies
necessray to do the model with just one part file.


author: Brian

subject: Difference between enum class and enum struct

text:
Shalom

Is there any difference between

enum class Fruit : uint8_t  { love = 1, joy, peace, patience,
kindness };

and

enum struct Fruit : uint8_t { love = 1, joy, peace, patience,
kindness };

?

If there is, what is it?  If there isn't any difference, my opinion is
that it is kind of an unfortunate point for flexibility in the
language.
I may modify my support for strongly-typed enums to only support
enum class if there's no difference between the two.

Brian Wood
http://webEbenezer.net
(651) 251-9384


author: Michael Tsang

subject: Re: Difference between enum class and enum struct

text:
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Brian wrote:

No difference at all. The only differences between "class" and "struct" are

1. The default access level of "class" is "private", the default access
level of "struct" is "public".

2. "class" can declare a template parameter but "struct" cannot.
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author: Ian Collins

text:
Brian wrote:

There doesn't appear to be.  According to n3035, "The enum-keys enum
class and enum struct are semantically equivalent.


text:
On Feb 27, 3:04 am, Ian Collins <[email]> wrote:

I thought about mentioning that as well, but then thought
about how his post mentions struct is not acceptable in
some contexts.    That was an interesting reminder.

Brian Wood


text:
Michael Tsang wrote:

Please drop the PGP nonsense on Usenet!

He was referring to C++0x scoped enums, not classes and structs.


author: tomer

subject: From use cases to coding..how?

text:
Hi,

I am using use cases to model my application,
what now? what is the proper way to move from use cases to
coding? nouns are objects? verbs are methods?

Thanks in advance.


author: Willard Thompson

subject: Re: From use cases to coding..how?

text:
[email] (tomer) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Well, you need to make sure you have a good requirements
specification, i.e. everything that the software system ought to do.
After you have conducted a thorough requirements analysis, the light
turns green for what ever you want to do, really.  However, you ought
to begin designing a solution.  Check to see if your design
corresponds to your requirements.  Eventually, you reach a level of
granularity in your design that if you design any further you would be
doing the same thing as coding, so then this might be one way to know
when you ought to start coding.  Test you code and make sure that it
conforms to your design and requirements.

You can make sequence diagrams from use cases.  Upon having a set of
sequence diagrams you then can see various methods of various objects.
 From that diagram(s), your class diagram(s), and others, you could
then implement them.

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author: Michael Feathers

subject: Re: From use cases to coding..how?

text:
"tomer" <[email]> wrote

There's no real algorithm for doing this.  Often what I do is take a use
case and try to come up with a set of objects that can handle the "sunny
day" case, no alternatives.  Then I start doing the same thing with other
use cases, paying attention to what classes I already have and whether
certain classes should be renamed.  Sometimes these classes are named in the
use cases, at other times they aren't.

The key thing to recognize is that it is an incremental process and it takes
practice.  You have to start with success and the way to do that is to start
with something simple.. a very simple use case.  If none of your use cases
seem simple enough, try to simplify them with a mind towards expanding them
out to their full behavior later.  When you have a simple design that covers
a simple use case, write those classes and some tests for them to make sure
that you've successfully solved part of the problem, then bite off another
chunk.

One of the skills that you'll need as you do this is the ability to see how
you can change your existing code to accomodate the requirements in the next
use case that you tackle.  To learn how to do this, pick up the book
'Refactoring' by Martin Fowler and study the various 'moves' in there.
Another great book is Agile Software Development by Robert Martin, it shows
how to develop systems in this safe incremental way, and it provides some
criteria you can use to figure out whether you have a good design at each
step of the way.  In the interests of disclosure, I work at Bob's company,
but all of the people who made it the winner of the Jolt Award this year
don't :-)

Michael Feathers
www.objectmentor.com


author: Ed Morton

subject: Re: From use cases to coding..how?

text:
"tomer" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

In addition to the other responses you've gotten, keep reminding yourself
that:

1) use cases are a subset of your current specified requirements,
2) your current specified requirements are a subset of your total (current +
future) specified requirements
3) your total specified requirements are a subset of your total (specified +
unspecified) requirements

So, a given design that will satisfy your use-cases may be the wrong design
for your application (e.g. there could be reliability, performance,
maintenance issues). Use cases are valuable but they're just one input to
the design process.

    Ed.


author: Ralf Fassel

subject: tk 8.5 vs 8.4: "font actual" differences

text:
Could someone tell why on the very same system "font actual" gives
different results in 8.5 and 8.4:

% info patchlevel
8.4.14
% font actual {Helvetica 8}
-family helvetica -size 8 -weight normal -slant roman -underline 0 -overstrike 0

% info patchlevel
8.5.1
% font actual {Helvetica 8}
-family {Nimbus Sans L} -size 8 -weight normal -slant roman -underline 0 -overstrike 0

What is the magic behind using {Nimbus Sans L} in 8.5?

This makes a difference when generating Postscript output, where
suddenly instead of 'Helvetica' 'Nimbus Sans L' is requested.
The result is that my printer (HP LaserJet with PostScript engine)
substitutes a fixed width font instead of Helvetica :-/

    % canvas .c
    .c
    % pack .c
    % .c create  text 10 10 -font {Helvetica 8} -text foo
    1
    % .c postscript -file foo.ps
    % lp foo.ps
    => prints with Helvetica in 8.4
    => prints with Courier (?) in 8.5

Thanks
R'


subject: Re: tk 8.5 vs 8.4: "font actual" differences

text:
Hi Ralf,

I think its simply about font mapping!

As example ... I have no font named "Helvetica" on my machine, so ...

    (bin) 1 % font actual {Helvetica 8}
    -family Arial -size 8 -weight normal -slant roman -underline 0 -
overstrike 0

... returns "Arial".

I don't know where the mapping occurs, but the tcl 8.5 font man page
does not tell something about font name mapping - perhabs I overread
it.

Is it possible to tell in Postscript to download a font, not present
on the printer to get used?
Or is the printer device is configured to do NOT download fonts for
usage, if not present?

Best regards,

Martin

On 28 Feb., 19:20, Ralf Fassel <[email]> wrote:


author: Larry W. Virden

text:
On Feb 28, 1:20 pm, Ralf Fassel <[email]> wrote:

Two issues here, I think. First, I'd report this one as a bug - if
your machine has helvetica, and in 8.4 was getting helvetica when
asked, and now doesn't... that sounds strange.

Second, I notice on http://wiki.tcl.tk/20361 that someone says that
the text widget default changed from a proportional to a fixed width
font. I wonder if that change is wider than just the text widget...


author: Koen Danckaert

text:
On 28 feb, 19:20, Ralf Fassel <[email]> wrote:

The reason is that 8.5 uses xft fonts (anti-aliased).
The xft fonts have different names names from the normal fonts.

Unfortunately it seems impossible to use xft and normal fonts at the
same time (not only in Tk but also in other applications.)

--Koen


text:
* "MartinLemburg@Siemens-PLM" <[email]>
| As example ... I have no font named "Helvetica" on my machine, so
| ...

How do I tell?
 xlsfonts | grep -i helvetica
shows 560 lines, eg:
  -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--8-80-75-75-p-46-iso8859-1

So I think I really have an Helvetice in some variant.

| Is it possible to tell in Postscript to download a font, not present
| on the printer to get used?  Or is the printer device is configured
| to do NOT download fonts for usage, if not present?

Well, this would mean that the canvas would have to include the
relevant fonts if *not* using one of the standard Postscript fonts.
I don't think this is the way to go...

R'


text:
* "Larry W. Virden" <[email]>
| Two issues here, I think. First, I'd report this one as a bug - if
| your machine has helvetica, and in 8.4 was getting helvetica when
| asked, and now doesn't... that sounds strange.

It seems to be related to --enable-xft/--disable-xft at 'configure'
time.  If I use --disable-xft, I get helvetica again.

| Second, I notice on http://wiki.tcl.tk/20361 that someone says that
| the text widget default changed from a proportional to a fixed width
| font. I wonder if that change is wider than just the text widget...

Seems unrelated, since I explicitely ask for a certain font in the
canvas...

R'


text:
* Koen Danckaert <[email]>
| > What is the magic behind using {Nimbus Sans L} in 8.5?
|
| The reason is that 8.5 uses xft fonts (anti-aliased).
| The xft fonts have different names names from the normal fonts.

Now that you mention it... I noticed this one too.  The new look is at
first glance 'blurred' on my TFT...  I'm not yet sure what I like
better, the crisp edgy old non-anti-aliased letters or the new ones.
You get used to them once you look at them for a while...

| Unfortunately it seems impossible to use xft and normal fonts at the
| same time (not only in Tk but also in other applications.)

For now I'd be happy to continue to use the non-aliased fonts.  I see
there is a --enable-xft flag in configure.  I'll try this and see
whether it makes a difference.

R'


text:
* Ralf Fassel <[email]>
| For now I'd be happy to continue to use the non-aliased fonts.  I see
| there is a --enable-xft flag in configure.  I'll try this and see
| whether it makes a difference.

Sure enough, if I configure --disable-xft, I get the 'old' fonts.

R'


author: ludvig

subject: Re: How can I use the entire display? Here's a code snippet 4u

text:
Hi Christian.

It's all right what Tim Kannel says, hiresmodes occupies more than 64kb
and well, in realmode(or without VESA 2.0 or without...) you are stuck
with a 64kb-window wich i called a bank.
To writa to the top of the screen, use the default, bank=0, to write
under this bank, make a bankswitch.

How to do so in Borland4.52 C++ (or wirtually any C language without any
major modifs.)

void setbank(int bank)
{
 union REGS reg;
	reg.h.ah=0x4f;
	reg.h.al=0x05;
	reg.h.bh=0x00;
	reg.h.dl=bank;
	reg.h.dh=0;
	int86(0x10,&reg,&reg);
  }
}

Well, the routine loads the internal registers(accumulator etc) with
information and then it makes an interruptcall(if you program in some
sort of wierd language...).

Easy when you know it, right!

Ludvig Larsson


author: Neeraj C. MehtaValid till 19-Feb-94

subject: Horizontal Partitioning - Help needed

text:
I have a doubt on the circumstances under which horizontal partitioning  of
tables  is  to be done and want some guidelines for deciding if horiz part.
is required or not.  My problem is in a very specific  application  domain,
and an example from my application would call for a long explanation.  So I
am writing an example which I hope shall be easy to understand.  People who
know banking might hardly find sense in the example, but please pardon me.

Consider the foll case.  Consider a banking system in  which  account-type,
account-no is the key for transactions table.  Account type (char-1) can be
Savings-Account, Temporary-Account, Current-Account etc.  All  transactions
carried  out on all kinds of account are to be recorded.  In the ERD, there
is one entity called Transactions.  There is going to be a lot  of  traffic
on  this  transactions  table  for all kinds of (read/update/insert) opera-
tions.  There are going to be a lot of on-line updates (from  ATM  machines
as well as counters) and a lot of batch updates too.

Tentatively one might go for splitting this table horizontally as  Savings-
acct-transactions,  Current-acct-transactions,  Temporary-acct-transactions
etc.  But since the key for this table is account-type, the data would any-
way  have fallen in different pages making different transactions lock dif-
ferent pages.  So locking problems will not be reduced by going for such  a
split.  In fact from my understanding, a horizontal split is going to be an
overhead since we are unnecessarily increasing the number of tables in  the
db  (there  are  a  lot  of such cases in my application) and coding effort
might increase since  there  are  more  tables.   Lock-escalation  (Ingres-
specific - Ingres escalates the locking level from page level to table lev-
el if a limit is crossed, but this limit is  parametrisable)  might  create
problems,  but  can't  this  be  taken  care of by going for a higher lock-
escalation limit?  Or is splitting the table better than going  for  higher
lock-escalation limit?

What should one do in such cases.  What are the other implications of going
for horiz. splitting of tables.  I am using Ingres 6.4

Thanx in advance.

- R. Narayanan

Note - I am posting this from a friend's account.   Please  send  a  CC  to
[email] in case of E-mail replies.


author: "Mike H."

subject: Horizontal Partitioning - Help needed

text:
As I understand it, you wish to pollute the 3nf to gain performance
improvements. May I suggest that you partition the table. Physically, you
would use access routines to ensure that a request for a Current Account
will be resolved into a request on the Current Account table.

I know that this would increase path-length, but it might allow you to put
tables on different devices. There is also an obvious cost in increased
maintenance...

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author: Dagmar A. Bogan

subject: Re: Horizontal Partitioning - Heuristics (Long)

text:
I developed some general heuristics, that are not database specific, they may
be of help to you:

Why fragment tables?

1.  Increased performance; fragmented tables are smaller and faster to scan.
2.  Increased data availability; fragmenting reduces locing contention and
concurrency problems.
3.  Increased semantic data control and integrity checking.
4.  Facilitate administrative and security responsibilities for specific
entities.
5.  Distributes subsets of a table geographically to place data closer to the
user.

How to fragment tables:
1.  Review the logical data model user views and determine if there are groups
of users who consistently access only subsets of columns or rows in a table.
Divide the users into subsets: by function, location, access needs and security
needs.
2.  If different user views contain groups of attributes that describe the
same entitiy, but are mutually exclusive (except for the primary key), the
table is a candidate for vertical fragmentation.
3.  If different user views indicate different volumes for the same entity,
and each user view represents a mutually exclusive subset of occurences of
the entity, the table is a candidate for horizontal fragmentation.
4.  Study the queries to determine if there are any natural subsets of columns
or rows.

How should fragmentation occur:  Horizontal or vertical.

When should horizontal fragmentation occur:
1.  Different users consistently access specific subsets of rows of the table.

Problems with horizontal fragmentation:

1.  Degradation of performance if frequent or critical requests reference
multiple table fragments.
2.  Increased complexity for insertion, modification, or deletion of rows
3.  Require naming conventions for tables and entities, and strict adherence
to the standards

When should vertical fragmentation occur:
1.  Different users consistently access specific subsets of columns in the
table.

Problems with vertical fragmentation:
1.  Degradation of performance if frequent or critical requests reference
multiple table fragments.
2.  Increased complexity for insertion, modification, or deletion of rows
3.  Require naming conventions for tables and entities, and strict adherence
to the standards

How to test the correctness of decomposition:

1.  What is the completeness of the relation instance
2.  Can the relation be reconstructed from its fragments
3.  What is the level of disjointness

Hope this helps.  Dagmar

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author: John McCrory

subject: Re: ping problem

text:
127.0.0.1 is a special address used by the protocol software for testing.
When you ping this address the network is not used. If you can successfully
ping this address then all that you know is that your IP stack is installed
and working.

Likewise pinging the address that you assigned to the PC will only achieve
the same thing.

If you want to test the network then you must ping the address of another
computer.

Use the commands arp, netstat and tracert (traceroute) if you are having
problems as they are useful for diagnosing what is going wrong.

Have you set up a default gateway and the correct subnet mask
?

Catherine wrote:


author: Frav

subject: Access 2002 unexpectedly quits and Catastrophic Failure messages

text:
The Reps team have been experiencing that Access 2002 unexpectedly
quits
while working and also lots of Corruption Failures and "Record lock
can not
update" messages since the upgrade from Windows 2000 and Access 200 to
Windows XP and Access 2002 (XP) was done.
Now, they are working and at anytime in anywhere of the application
access
unexpectedly quits with no error messages and the info that was being
entered
is lost.

all computers have a standard configuration with the latest services
packs,
Microsoft Windows XP SP2 and Microsoft Office 2002 (XP) SP3, Microsft
Jet
4.0.8618.0, y have also check all the references and they are good.

Here are the references:
-Visual Basic for applications
-Microsoft Access 10.0 Object Library
-Microsoft Office 10.0 Object Library
-Microsoft Office XP Web Components
-Micrfosoft ActiveX Data Objects 2.8 Library
-OLE Automation

I heard something about Opportunistic locking if you disable it
(Oplocks) on
the server may reduce the risk of data corruption.

This problems occurred in an .mde file, but i also have experienced the
same
problem and i am working with the .mdb file

I've been dealing with this problem since 7/12/06 (more than 2 weeks)
doing
lots of different things like changing references, disabling and
enabling the
"open databases using record locking", compact and repair, migrate
database
to access 2002, contacting Microsoft co (The suggestions they gave did
not work)., etc.

Sometimes I have the opportunity to debug and the error usually comes
in
the next part (testing with a total of  3 users saving a new contact
record each user and saving all simultaneously at once), after the
other users are done saving when i got the error message then click on
cotinue process and it saves with no problem.

Code:

Sub WriteAuditlog(txtOperation, txtTableName, txtFieldName, frefnum,
OrgValue, CurValue)
Dim rstAudit As ADODB.Recordset
Dim fsql As String
   On Error GoTo Err_WriteAuditlog

   Set rstAudit = New ADODB.Recordset
   Set rstAudit.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
   rstAudit.CursorType = adOpenKeyset
   rstAudit.LockType = adLockPessimistic
   fsql = "Select * from AuditTable"

   rstAudit.Open fsql   ======================> IT WILL BREAK HERE

    rstAudit.AddNew

When i continue the execution after the message catastrophic failure it
saves the contact record with no problem.

 Does anybody know what could be happening?  if you need any more
information please let me know.  Thanks for your replies, any help is
appreciated!


author: Terry Smith

subject: Re: Access 2002 unexpectedly quits and Catastrophic Failure messages

text:
I believe I am having a similar problem with an Access MDB.  I have a
process that uses a DAO recordset to get data from ODBC-attached
sources.  Occasionally it terminates without warning.  I don't have the
corruption failure or lock errors, but I'm only querying the data in
this procedure.  It fails whether the client is Win XP SP2 or Win
Server 2003 SP1.  I haven't tested on other platforms.

I've rewritten the procedure to use ADO instead, and now get the
trappable error -2147418113 with description 'Catastrophic failure'.
If I put in error handling to resume on that error, it continues
without problems.

In my case, I get this issue primarily at one of the two sites I
support.  They should be parallel environments (both Win Server 2003
SP1 with XP SP2 clients running Oracle 10g R2, using Oracle's ODBC
driver, Access 2003, same MDB, etc.), so I'm trying to find what is
different at the site that doesn't have the issue.

For a work-around, you might try this article:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/187942

Have you found anything out on this issue?  If so, please share it.

Terry

Frav wrote:


author: Allen Browne

text:
Not sure exactly what's happening, but some generic suggestions:

1. Uncheck the boxes under:
    Tools | Options | General | Name AutoCorrect
Explanation of why:
    http://allenbrowne.com/bug-03.html

2. Compact the database to get rid of this junk:
    Tools | Database Utilities | Compact/Repair

3. Close Access. Make a backup copy of the file. Decompile the database by
entering something like this at the command prompt while Access is not
running. It is all one line, and include the quotes:
    "c:\Program Files\Microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe" /decompile
        "c:\MyPath\MyDatabase.mdb"

4. Open Access (holding down the Shift key if you have any startup code),
and compact again.

5. Open a code window.

Now, some more specific ones.

If the form that triggers the crash has a subform that has a multi-table
query as its RecordSource, this could be an Access bug:
1. Open the main form in design view.
2. Clear the Link Master Fields and Link Child Fields properties.
3. Save. Close.
4. Open the subform in design view, and add a text box for the foreign key
fields (the ones previously named in Link Child Fields.)
5. Save. Close.
6. Open the main form, again, and restore the Link Master Fields and Link
Child Fields properties.
Typically the foreign key fields are not shown on the form, so their data
type is AccessField, and the bug seems to be with this type. By adding a
text box, you avoid the bug.)

Other alternatives would be to use an append-only recordset for the target,
or a DAO recordset, or execute an Append query instead of opening the
recordset.

You may be able to remove the OLE and Web Components libraries. Access gives
you those by default; remove them if you are not using them.

HTH


subject: Slow speed from my ISPs router to my home router.

text:
Connected via 768x dsl.  I've done several traceroutes from the outside to
my ip from various states/countries.  All show a 20ms jump from my ISPs
router to my home router.  This seems a bit high to me.  Is this normal for
dsl or is there something I can do to lower this?


author: David H. Lipman

subject: Re: Slow speed from my ISPs router to my home router.

text:
20ms is slow ???

And how do your compare that ? and to what ?

Now you can compare it to my Verizon DSL rated at 1500/128 in Kb/s, PPPoE, Linksys BEFSR41

tracert yahoo.com

Tracing route to yahoo.com [66.218.71.198]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    20 ms    21 ms    20 ms  10.5.61.1
  2    10 ms    21 ms    20 ms  at-4-0-0-1712.CORE-RTR1.NWRK.verizon-gni.net [13
0.81.7.41]
  3    20 ms    20 ms    20 ms  so-0-2-0-0.BB-RTR2.NWRK.verizon-gni.net [130.81.
7.157]
  4    20 ms    20 ms    20 ms  so-6-0-0-0.BB-RTR2.PHIL.verizon-gni.net [130.81.
7.185]
  5    20 ms    20 ms    30 ms  so-0-0-0-0.BB-RTR1.PHIL.verizon-gni.net [130.81.
7.213]
  6    20 ms    40 ms    40 ms  so-1-0-0-0.BB-RTR1.RES.verizon-gni.net [130.81.9
.26]
  7    20 ms    30 ms    30 ms  130.81.10.90
  8    20 ms    30 ms    20 ms  exchange-cust1.ash.equinix.net [206.223.115.16]

  9   100 ms   120 ms   100 ms  ae0-p800.pat1.pao.yahoo.com [216.115.98.21]
 10   100 ms   100 ms   100 ms  vlan26.bas1.scd.yahoo.com [216.115.101.34]
 11    91 ms   100 ms   100 ms  w1.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.71.198]

~ ~ ~
Dave

"louis.b" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
| Connected via 768x dsl.  I've done several traceroutes from the outside to
| my ip from various states/countries.  All show a 20ms jump from my ISPs
| router to my home router.  This seems a bit high to me.  Is this normal for
| dsl or is there something I can do to lower this?
|
|


text:
When I said "20ms jump" I mean't it's +20. So no matter what the numbers
are, the last hop from my isp's router to mine is +20ms.  So if my isp's
routers response is 100ms, mine is around 120.  If they're at 80, I'm at
100.  It's not exactly a 20ms discrepancy--sometimes a bit more, sometimes a
bit less, but usually around 20ms.

I'm thinking it's my router. I just need to find one that's faster, but
that's a bit tough since I haven't been able to find many indepth reviews
with real numbers.  Seems the higher end Linksys have good responses, from
the reviews I did find at http://www.smallnetbuilder.com.

Heh, I just looked at your results again and noticed that your last 2 hops
are equal.  Maybe I'll pick up the same Linksys as you and see if I get a
better response. Thx!

- louis

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
news:28Btb.26715$[email]...
Linksys BEFSR41


author: Matt

text:
This is the latency of the DSL loop and dslam headend.  A better router will
shave at best a couple ms off it.  Trading the DSL line in for a dedicated
T1 should cut it down substantially though.  I would think anyway.

Matt

a


text:
Sure @ $2,000/month...

Dave

"Matt" <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...
| This is the latency of the DSL loop and dslam headend.  A better router will
| shave at best a couple ms off it.  Trading the DSL line in for a dedicated
| T1 should cut it down substantially though.  I would think anyway.
|
| Matt
|
|
| > When I said "20ms jump" I mean't it's +20. So no matter what the numbers
| > are, the last hop from my isp's router to mine is +20ms.  So if my isp's
| > routers response is 100ms, mine is around 120.  If they're at 80, I'm at
| > 100.  It's not exactly a 20ms discrepancy--sometimes a bit more, sometimes
| a
| > bit less, but usually around 20ms.
|
|


text:
Hmmm, you may be right. I got a linksys router and it gives me the same
results. I have a friend on cable and there's no added latency on his last
hop. Unfortunately my cable co. doesn't allow users to run servers whereas
my dsl co. does. Maybe I'll call my dsl co and see if there's anything they
can do.

- l

"Matt" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
will


text:
A (full) T1 in my area is around $600, but still outta my price range.

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
news:lp2ub.44361$[email]...


author: Kurst

text:
You might want to try doing the pings your self one by one as well.
They might not be the exact same result.
Some routers are designed to ensure good traffic by processing ping and
tracing packets in the lowest priority.
so a +20 jump unless is effecting performance may not be an issue at all.
If you feel that performance is at premium and your is effected at that
level then you might be on the right track.
You will also start having to check all your phones and your demark to
ensure they are in perfect working order to ensure they are not adding noise
and skewing your results.

"louis.b" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
they
dedicated


author: George Jefferson

subject: Re: NTI Backup

text:
:> http://www.discjuggler.com/ has 1x for demo for free.  Don't know about
:> time restrictions, but don't believe there are.
:
:**  Yikes,...   1x would take hours to make one CD.   :o(

speaking of slow backups and NTI.  I have a 4x drive, NTI demo
with verify takes over an hour per CD. I was figuring the verify
doubled the time but it still should be 1/2 hour at 4x.  Is
the demo crippled running the drive slow? (there is no place to specify
the speed).

An hour per disk would be ok by the way, except that there is evidently
no way to perform a backup in multiple sessions. If you stop
a backup after a couple of disks it seems need to throw them away and
start over.


author: Rich E De

subject: Re: NTI Backup

text:
I have ver 2.1.1 and and under drop down for tools you will find CD Drive
prperties bottom of that page gives you an option of two different speeds
1-slower and  more compatability and 2- faster


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: NTI Backup

text:
In article <[email]>,
  [email] (Rich E De) wrote:
Drive
speeds

If you do pursue this further, make sure you check out the imaging
feature, creating a floppy emergency disk and a restore. For some of us
we couldn't get these features to work.

Dave Cohen

Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/


author: zigzag

subject: Re: SYQUEST IS DEAD!

text:
In article <[email]>, Big Tuna Bill
<[email]> wrote:

Check the little plastic teeth on the underside of the cartridge.  They
engage the cartridge platters with the SyJet mechanism.

If they are worn or broken, the cartridge won't load.

I know.  I've had two go that way.


subject: where can i get gunzip

text:
wh

where can i get gunzip to get into those tar.Z files?
i'm using DOS system. Thanx.


author: Timo Salmi

subject: Re: where can i get gunzip

text:
In article <[email]> [email] writes:
:where can i get gunzip to get into those tar.Z files?
:i'm using DOS system. Thanx.

Files of interest

 117185 Aug 19 10:25 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/unix/gzip124.zip
 gzip124.zip GNU zip for .(g)z files, don't confuse with (pk)zip

 327865 Sep 19 18:47 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/arcers/gzip124.tar.Z
 gzip124.tar.Z GNU zip, don't confuse with compress or (pk)zip

 1041 Jul 24 08:20 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/arcers/gzipmake.inf
 gzipmake.inf How to make Unix gzip operative

 2788 Oct 3 22:48 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/ts/tarzfaq.txt
 tarzfaq.txt What are and how to handle tar.Z and tar.gz files, T.Salmi

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa
Internet: [email]   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


author: Mike Zanker

subject: Re: where can i get gunzip

text:
On 21 Feb 95 15:54:39 +0800, [email] wrote:

The MSDOS gzip executable can be found on the official GNU
site, prep.ai.mit.edu, in pub/gnu. I forget the exact name
but it is obvious which one should be fetched.

However, I draw your attention to the latest WinZIP v5.6.
This can deal with gzipped tar files directly, allowing
the extraction and viewing of individual files. You'll
find this on both CICA (pub/pc/win3/utils ?) and Simtel
(SimTel/win3/archivers ?).

Sorry about the inexact locations, but you should find them
without much trouble.

Regards,

Mike


author: Ivan Hyslop

subject: Re: where can i get gunzip

text:
In article <[email]> [email] writes:

GUNZIP/WINZIP for .gz, .z files.

garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/ts/tarzfaq.txt
tarzfaq.txt What are and how to handle tar.Z and tar.gz files

If you are using windows try using winzip.
Available on ftp.winzip.com/winzip/winzip56.exe
oak.oakland.edu /simtel/win3/archiver/winzip56.exe

Or for DOS get hold of gunzip.exe it will unzip files with both a .z
and a gz extension.  You will sometimes come across files that have
been also compressed with tar as well as gnu, you can try tar4dos.zip
on those.

Some sites with these programs.
pds.nchu.edu.tw/wwfs/ccca/Operating-Systems/FreeBSD/2.0-ALPHA/tools/dos-tools/gunzip.exe
and /wwfs/ccca/Operating-Systems/FreeBSD/tools/dos-tools/gunzip.exe
physics.su.oz.au/FreeBSD/2.0R/tools/dos-tools/gunzip.exe
minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/BSD/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-2.0-RELEASE/tools/dos-tools/gunzip.exe

tutserver.tutcc.tut.ac.jp/MSDOS/Archiver/tar4dos.zip
ftp.cs.ruu.nl/pub/ARCHIVERS/pc/tar4dos.zip
plaza.aarnet.edu.au/micros/pc/oak/archiver/tar4dos.zip
ftp.huie.hokudai.ac.jp/.u1/msdos/archivers/tar4dos.zip


author: Robert Schmidt

subject: Re: where can i get gunzip

text:
On Wed, 22 Feb 1995, Ivan Hyslop wrote:

Once you have gzip, uncompression is achieved by typing

gzip -d <filename.Z>

(i.e. there is no gunzip command.)

Under unix, you can use the standard tool

uncompress <filename.Z>

After uncompression, you will have a .tar file, which you need the tar
program to get useful files from:

tar xvf <filename.tar>


subject: Re: Searching for an NFS-Client for NT

text:
I know that WRQ makes server and client versions of NFS for NT.
You may also try the TUN*PLUS v8.0 which runs on Windows 3.11, WIN95
and NT and also include client and server versions of NFS among others
and is cheaper.

[email]


subject: Re: The "replaceAll" method of the String Class can't work, if a "?" character is in the value of an attribute of a XMLString!

text:
On Sep 16, 8:04 pm, Daniel Pitts <[email]> wrote:

It's always amazing to follow a troll.

Is this guy giving himself 5-star ratings on google groups? A lot of
his posts seem to have them.


author: Joshua Cranmer

subject:
Re: The "replaceAll" method of the String Class can't work, if a
 "?" character is in the value of an attribute of a XMLString!

text:
[email] wrote:

I have done my best to rectify this situation. I am currently bored and
as such had nothing to do but go through this thread, fixing aberrations
in the rating of various posts. It appears that I am not the only one
who has done this....


author: Lew

text:
[email] wrote:

It still amazes me how anyone buys into the GG star-rating system, given its
manifest, obvious and freely-discussed shortcomings.


author: Andrew Thompson

text:
Lew wrote:
..

It surprises you that there is 'one born every minute'?
That would be ..a nice mental place to be.  ;)


text:
Andrew Thompson wrote:

It's a special world here, to be sure.

Amazement and surprise are not the same thing.  I didn't say that it surprised me.

I've been seeing flowers and airplanes my entire life, but both continue to
amaze me.


author: Rob Hooft

subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!

text:
In <[email]> [email] (Kouhia Juhana) writes:

JPEG=compression method, JFIF=File format that is used for '.jpg' files.

Yes. LZW=compression method, GIF=File format that is used for '.gif' files.


author: Michael R Castle

subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Rob Hooft) writes:

Don't forget to add:
JPEG=compression method, HSI=File format used for some '.jpg' files.
JPEG=compression method, TIFF=File format used for '.tiff' files.
LZW=compression method, TIFF=File format used for '.tiff' files.
RLE=compression method, TIFF=File format used for '.tiff' files.
RLE=compression method, TGA=File format used for '.tga' files.
RLE=compression method, UtahRLE=File format used for some '.rle' files.
RLE=compression method, CompuserveRLE=File format used for some '.rle'
RLE=compression method, PCX=File format used for '.pcx' files.

Part of the problem is using the same name for both the compression
method and the file format, and in the case of jpeg, using '.jpg' instead
of '.jff' for the file extension.  Too late now, I suppose.  We're
stuck with it.  *sigh*

mrc


author: Warren

subject: GalCiv: Number of trade routes

text:
Sorry if this is a stupid question.  The manual says that we're
allowed to build 3 trade routes by default.  I know this number can be
increased with research.  But, on the trade screen in game, only 2
routes are listed.  So, how many are we really allowed.  Are we only
allowed 2 to start, or is that display misleading and I can create a
3rd one even if I already have the 2 trade lines occupied?  Not seeing
a blank line, I just never tried creating another route until seeing
this in the manual.

Thanks for any help.

Warren


author: Vorlin

subject: Re: GalCiv: Number of trade routes

text:
"Warren" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Two trade routes is what you start with (unless you chose a bonus as a
racial pick when creating the game), you can have 10 max eventually with new
+1 trade route tech discoveries.  You'll always know if you have an open
trade route because you'll see the number for it but no trade route info
listed after that number.

Just as a tip, whenever I get trade I usually have 2-3 planets make
freighters non-stop until I have 8 on my way to my target planet.  The ones
that are above my current trade limit I just put into 'guard' mode next to
the destination, that way when I research new +1 trade route tech my
freighter is right there ready to start the route (no travel delay).

Another tip, you can have multiple trade routes between the same planets.
So one planet in the Vega system can have 10 trade routes to the same alien
planet with no problem.


author: Code Monkey

subject: Re: GalCiv: Number of trade routes

text:
In article <1Xbsa.145557$[email]>,
[email] says...

Which can make for some delicious trade routes. In my last game I set up
an exclusive trade relation with the Altarians. All 10 of my freighters
passing down a perfectly straight path to their capital planet. 4 +50%
trade boosters in each sector, including their capital planet's - I was
getting between 3,000 to 5,000 each month from it :D


author: Philippe DUCHON

subject: Re: GalCiv: Number of trade routes

text:
Code Monkey <[email]> writes:

That's certain to get you their help if you ever get attacked by
another race... but, OTOH, if for some reason they declare war on you,
you'll hit the red in no time! (they should NOT declare war on you,
but sometimes they are allied with someone who does)


author: WiltMire

subject: Did Netscreen ever release info on how to reset a Netscreen 5?

text:
I've got one that's been sitting around for years.. password is long since
forgotten.

TIA


author: Jens Hoffmann

subject: Re: Did Netscreen ever release info on how to reset a Netscreen 5?

text:
Hi,

WiltMire <[email]> wrote:

Password recovery works since 2.6.x somewhere.
Before you had to sent the netscreen back for recovery.

Greetings,
   Jens


text:
"Jens Hoffmann" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
since

Thank you.


author: Kris Kwilas

subject: Re: Development of Oracle Power Objects for OS/2 stopped!!! E-Mail Campaign!!!

text:
In <[email]>, Shawn Ramsey <[email]> writes:

As well as Windows NT. Windows 95 should not make
the list, but that is IMHO.

Please provide some evidence for this claim or retract it.
Merlin has been hinted at as being the last Intel-specific version.
Except for Katt rumor column, which IBM denied flat out, Warp
was never claimed to be the last Intel version.

I will not buy crappy, third-rate ports of Windows software, and
I know many other OS/2 advocates and users that feel the
same way. Foisting off a Mirrors WP 5.2 for OS/2 and expecting
rave reviews(or anything other than tolerance and waiting
for the promised 6.0) is an example of how a major company
can blow it for themselves in the OS/2 marketplace. ISV's like
DevTech, Stardock, and CDS must be doing something right.

Kris

-----------------------------------------------------------
Kris Kwilas                                [email]
-----------------------------------------------------------
Author of the Highly Unofficial IBM OS/2 Beta FAQ(3/14/96)
Available from http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~kwilas/
-----------------------------------------------------------
Brought to you by the letters O and S, and the number 2.


author: Joe Ragosta

subject: Re: Microsoft soon to be doomed?...

text:
In article <617pen$ddr$[email]>, [email] (Kaz) wrote:

And what country is that?

In the United States, at least, copyright laws extend something like 50
years past the author's death.


author: Lucian Wischik

subject: Re: chapter* question

text:
Agustin Martin  <[email]> wrote:

Just a guess... but does \chaptermark{newheading} do it?


author: wald

subject: Re: chapter* question

text:
\chapter*[Whateveryouwant]{Convenciones} ?

"Agustin Martin" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


subject: Re: chapter* question

text:
Hello folks!

I had the problem, too.

I solved it with \afterpage(usepackage):

\afterpage{\thispagestyle{myheadings}\markright{Convenciones}}
\chapter*{Convenciones}
\afterpage{\thispagestyle{myheadings}\markright{Convenciones}}
...

Good luck!

Michael


author: Peter Wilson

subject: Re: chapter* question

text:
"Agustin Martin" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
    Use the tocvsec2 package from CTAN. it lets you switch off and on
chapter numbering.

Peter W.


author: Agustin Martin

subject: Re: chapter* question

text:
Lucian Wischik wrote:

Thanks. It wouldn't work (the heading was "Chapter 0. newheading"), but
you set me looking the fancyhdr docfile, and got what I wanted with
"\markboth{newheading}{}"

Thanks again to all who took the time to read this ;)

A.


author: Robin Fairbairns

subject: Re: chapter* question

text:
wald <[email]> top-posted:

doesn't work.  (or rather, it produces an unnumbered chapter with
title "[", which is probably not what was wanted.)

\chaptermark is the answer (already correctly guessed by ljw.)


author: Donald Arseneau

subject: Re: chapter* question

text:
[email] (Robin Fairbairns) writes:

That still gives the chapter number from the earlier chapter
(yuck).

You have to do a somewhat hackish:

\setcounter{secnumdepth}{-1}
\chaptermark{Convenciones}
\setcounter{secnumdepth}{3} %  Or whatever it was before

But then, why not use:

\setcounter{secnumdepth}{-1}
\chapter{Convenciones}
\setcounter{secnumdepth}{3} %  Or whatever it was before

avoiding both \addcontentsline and \chaptermark

Donald Arseneau                          [email]


subject: US-FL: Bay Pines-Sr M/MUMPS Developer - Bay Pines FL

text:
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author: game over man!!!

subject: Re: Blinking HD Light Drives me Crazy

text:
what was the fix

In article <4r7clf$[email]>, [email] says...


author: Grohn

subject: Error in the FAG

text:
This is nonsense in the fa
Self-Organizing Systems (SOS) FAQ
Frequently Asked Questions Version 2.8 May 2002

6.5 What is bifurcation ?

"...further changes then cause further splits at regular
intervals until finally the system enters a chaotic phase."

Bifurcations have explicitly notthing to do with time

Lauri Grï¿½hn
www.synestesia.com


author: Gordon D. Pusch

subject: Re: Error in the FAQ

text:
Grohn <[email]> writes:

The FAQ is clear talking about Feigenbaum's result, here.
"Interval" has more than one english meaning. It does not
necessarily refer to a ``time interval'' --- one can have
an "interval" of any continuous parameter or coordinate-like
quantity.

-- Gordon D. Pusch

perl -e '$_ = "gdpusch\@NO.xnet.SPAM.com\n"; s/NO\.//; s/SPAM\.//; print;'


author: CALResCo

subject: Re: Error in the FAG

text:
Grohn <[email]> writes:

Lauri,

As time isn't mentioned here, why do you think we imply such ?
The FAQ explicitly says "(with a small change in one parameter)"
which for, say, the logistic equation would be the growth rate.
The 'regular intervals' refers to the Feigenbaum ratio, not time.
Time does come in however where the system cycles between
the two (or more) values in successive iterations, but the phase
structure itself isn't claimed to be time dependent.

I'll modify the FAQ entry to make it somewhat clearer.

Chris Lucas
FAQ Maintainer


subject: Re: Error in the FAQ

text:
"Gordon D. Pusch" wrote:

You may be right but what about the word "finally" then.
Hasn't it anything to do with time?

Any I have seen some books and even an accepted PhD thesis
were time were used as a horizontal parameter.

LG
http://www.synestesia.com


subject: Re: Error in the FAQ

text:
Grohn <[email]> writes:

It is the adjective form of "final." "Final" has many different meanings,
including ``not to be altered or undone,'' and ``of or relating to the
ultimate purpose or result of a process,'' as well as ``being the last
in a series, process, or progression,'' and ``relating to or occuring
at the end or conclusion of a process.'' Hence, the word "final" may be
applied to _any_ ordering or progression that has an endpoint --- it does
=NOT= necessarily refer to or imply that the process is ocurring in _time_.

Yes, it's not at all unusual to plot time along the horizontal axis.
What's your point ???

-- Gordon D. Pusch

perl -e '$_ = "gdpusch\@NO.xnet.SPAM.com\n"; s/NO\.//; s/SPAM\.//; print;'


subject: Re: Error in the FAQ

text:
"Gordon D. Pusch" wrote:

The context was "bifurcations". In this context it is
WRONG to plot time along any axis. The FAQ mentioned
may not be wrong but it is misleading at least
Most of the people on this globe don't have English
as their native language.

LG
metacomposer
Brussels
http://www.synestesia.com


author: Patrick Galbraith

subject: Re: Social

text:
Ken Smith wrote:
dostadanya tavareshi!
sozialisma!
communizma!

_NOT!!!!_

stick to UNIX!! Live free or DIE!


author: Phil Evans

subject: Engineer v machinist

text:
I am very upset that this normally profesional group seems to have come apart at the seems with the engineer v machinist debate.
What is most upsetting is the extreme rhetoric from both sides.
I am a British apprenticed engineer residing and working in N America.
I think that the American market could learn from some European experience.
The Europeans have a saying "design for manufacture"
This is achieved by the apprenticeship or as you call it in the US the co-operative system.
I did a 5 year apprenticeship at Rolls Royce aerospace engines division, this was similar to apprenticeships carried out it many industries
in the UK.
My first year consisted of one week in 4 pure theoretical college, the other 3 weeks was turning handles on every machine used on the shop
floor, this was called basic training and we ended up with our tool kit that we had manufactured.
The second year was spent one week in 4 theoretical in college and 3 weeks revolving around machine shops within the production environment,
actually producing, or helping to produce production parts.
After the first 2 years of working in a production environment we decided what discipline of engineering we wished to concentrate on and then
spent varying time in that environment and college.
After 30 years in the industry I realise that machine shop procedures have changed from my early days but I still have the design for
manufacture ingrained in me. I know what can or cannot be produce and what tolerances can be achieved by each machining process.
I am now in a position that I will only employ engineers who have been through this process, pure university trained engineers are not high
on my list.
Perhaps it is time for N America to concentrate on the co-operative system a little more.


author: Bo

subject: Re: Engineer v machinist

text:
On Sep 14, 3:03 am, Cliff <[email]> wrote:

Prototype and product development is full of hacks in order to quickly
prove out new concepts, and there is lots to be said for the adjective
"quickly" as time is money.  I do it all the time.  I leave the
production tools to the professional mold shops.

Bo


subject: Re: Engineer v machinist

text:
On Sep 12, 9:21 pm, Phil Evans ([email]) wrote:

I will admit I refused to read any of the posts, because the first
sentence turned me off.  Life is too short.

It is the engineer who IS a machinist who has often the most value,
because he can more easily zero in to the issues with "Design for
Manufacturing", "Design for Assembly", "Design for Automation", "Risk
Analysis", "Human Engineering", and other forms of statements of the
design requirements of various products.

Sometimes you also just have to tinker with possible solutions until
something clicks.  If the engineer can create his own tools and parts,
he can often speed solutions up considerably.  That is the opposite of
a machinist doing a drawing, but illustrates the need to cross lines
in who does what work.

Cal Poly at Pomona and San Luis Obispo has hands on machine shop
training along with engineering classroom work.  Oregon Inst. of
Technology does the same (& has the highest placement rate inside 6
months of any college in Oregon:  employers have been known to almost
fight over their graduates)

I graduated from Oregon Tech. in Mechanical Technology before going on
to Cal Poly, and the hands on machining experience is invaluable in
warning you often about what DOES NOT work.  You learn quickly, but
you have to be cutting metal, plastic, glass, ceramic and wood, or you
don't have the appreciation for what happens and why, and how fast you
can cut, etc.

I see no problem with a drawing being generated by whoever needs to
describe something.  If you are talking about an assembly fixture and
the "engineer" or design department doesn't have time and it is no big
deal, why shouldn't the machinist do the drawing and make the parts.

If you are going to "institutionalize" the machinists fixture, fine,
then just like the desginer/draftsman does it for the engineer, they
do it for the machinist's drawing.

Bo


subject: Re: Engineer v machinist

text:
On Sep 12, 9:21 pm, Phil Evans ([email]) wrote:

Phil,

America has a real problem when it comes to how it views
manufacturing. Until this changes things will only get worse. We
really don't have a decent apprenticeship program left in the U.S.
because big companies like Pratt and Whitney have killed their
apprenticeship programs and would rather sub out the work. This would
be an area that the private sector was left in charge of and has
failed. Our government doesn't want any involvement and doesn't care.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100


author: Jerry Steiger

subject: Re: Engineer v machinist

text:
"Phil Evans" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
.

I would guess that you know this, but the co-op system in the US is not
nearly as rigorous as the apprenticeship that you went through. A co-op
student may have very little more knowledge of real manufacturing processes
than a non co-op student. It all depends on what the companies that he works
for ask him to do.

The engineers I have worked with who went through English apprenticeships
did seem to know a fair amount about basic machining. That didn't stop them
from screwing up a design every now and then, but it usually wasn't from
lack of understanding of the basics.

I've known a few "pure university trained engineers" who were pretty near
hopeless for real design work. But I've known a number who had as good a
handle on the basics of manufacturing as any of the engineers I knew who
went through apprenticeships. They learned it through working on their cars,
taking apart and repairing home appliances, clocks, and anything else they
could get their hands on, summer jobs, and any number of other ways to get
their hands dirty. And I've known some very good designers who never had any
engineering training at all.

It will take a lot more than just the present co-op system. It will take
manufacturers asking the schools to teach real manufacturing processes. And
it will require more than four years to get an engineering degree. Which
will probably decrease the number of people getting engineering degrees. Not
something that is going to be very attractive to the people running
engineering schools.

Jerry Steiger
Tripod Data Systems
"take the garbage out, dear"


author: Cliff

subject: Re: Engineer v machinist

text:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:57:02 -0700, Bo <[email]> wrote:

  There's lots more to engineering than making a few
simple machined parts or drafting standards, though
knowing about both does no harm.


subject: Re: Engineer v machinist

text:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:57:02 -0700, Bo <[email]> wrote:

  Try doing most (if not all) of that in a 3D CAD/CAM system.

  Hack jobs remain hack jobs.


subject: Re: Engineer v machinist

text:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:57:02 -0700, Bo <[email]> wrote:

  WHY do you keep insisting on throwing away 3D models & producing
bits of paper (often for someone else to build 3D models from)???

  That so many here do *exactly* that *and very clearly have that
mindset as a given* actually does not speak well of SolidWorks
as a CAD system <sigh>. It also says something of it's typical
users as I assume those that post here are usually of the better
sort.


subject: Re: Engineer v machinist

text:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:41:40 -0700, jon_banquer <[email]> wrote:

  What's the job turnover rate for banquers?
  About 6 banquers/year?


subject: Re: Engineer v machinist

text:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:41:40 -0700, jon_banquer <[email]> wrote:

  <Snort>
  I've contracted there three times & they rejected your scribbled
job ap for janitor, right?


subject: Re: Engineer v machinist

text:
snip>
The engineers I have worked with who went through English
apprenticeships
did seem to know a fair amount about basic machining. That didn't
stop them
from screwing up a design every now and then, but it usually wasn't
from
lack of understanding of the basics.
end snip>

I didn't say apprenticed designers wouldn't screw up a design, done
it myself, but its less likely to be a screw up due to a feature
being unmachineable. :-)


subject: Re: Engineer v machinist

text:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:10:51 -0700, "Jerry Steiger" <[email]>
wrote:

  I recall some in England I worked with that had problems
with grasping a tangent function in BASIC.  Far better than banquers,
anyway. And I worry about the Germans too.


subject: Re: Engineer v machinist

text:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:10:51 -0700, "Jerry Steiger" <[email]>
wrote:

  I've known some I'd not trust to tie their shoelaces too.
  And some *I* much admired. Very sharp & always learning
(and willing to discuss & teach too).


author: Shadyabhi

subject: scope rules for "for loop"

text:
#include<iostream>
using namespace std;
int main()
{
	for (int i=0;i<1;i++)
	{
		cout<<i;
		int i=7;
		cout<<i;
	}
		return 0;
}

The above code gives output: 07

How come is the output that? When i run this program through GDB, i
found out that both these variables have same address.

TERMINAL OUTPUT WHILE USING GDB:

(gdb) break 8
Breakpoint 1 at 0x40093e: file test.cpp, line 8.
(gdb) break 9
Breakpoint 2 at 0x400945: file test.cpp, line 9.
(gdb) r
Starting program: /home/codefire/prgs/a.out

Breakpoint 1, main () at test.cpp:8
8			int i=7;
(gdb) p i
$1 = 0
(gdb) p &i
$2 = (int *) 0x7fff3323d628
(gdb) n

Breakpoint 2, main () at test.cpp:9
9			cout<<i;
(gdb) p i
$3 = 7
(gdb) p &i
$4 = (int *) 0x7fff3323d628
(gdb)

As far as i can say, it should have been error of redeclaration of i.
Please let me know of whats happening.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: scope rules for "for loop"

text:
On 3 huhti, 13:02, Shadyabhi <[email]> wrote:

The error was too stupid or GCC sucks. Maybe a bit of both.


author: Lionel B

subject: Re: scope rules for "for loop"

text:
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:02:00 -0700, Shadyabhi wrote:

It *can* be (insofar as any compiler is standards compliant) - but note
that *by default* it does not actually enforce the current C++ standard,
but adds some extensions (see the GCC docs for details).

I can confirm this for g++ (4.3.2) with switches

    -std=c++98 -pedantic -Wall -Wextra

which should enforce compliance with current standard. Not a peep, no
warnings, outputs '07'.

This does look rather like g++ is at fault here (I suspect Comeau is
correct).


author: James Kanze

subject: Re: scope rules for "for loop"

text:
On Apr 3, 12:02 pm, Shadyabhi <[email]> wrote:

I couldn't reproduce that.  Both g++ and Sun CC accept the code,
treating i as a redeclaration, outputting 0, then 7.

It's a bug.  It seems to be a frequent one, since it affects two
of the three compilers I have access to (g++ and Sun CC---VC++
gets it right).


subject: Re: scope rules for "for loop"

text:
On Apr 3, 1:40 pm, Lionel B <[email]> wrote:

    [...]

It is.  I checked the standard.  If you really want to stretch
it, I guess you could argue that the normative wording is
ambiguous, but that would require a lot of stretching.  And there
is an example (non-normative) of exactly this, stating that it
is an error.  So it's an error in g++.


subject: Re: scope rules for "for loop"

text:
On Apr 2, 7:19 pm, "Balog Pal" <[email]> wrote:

I used GCC compiler which i suppose is a standard compiler and it did
not show any error. Why?


author: Balog Pal

subject: Re: scope rules for "for loop"

text:
"Shadyabhi" <[email]>

Cameau reports:
"ComeauTest.c", line 8: error: "i", declared in for-loop initialization, may
not be
          redeclared in this scope
  int i=7;

Just as expected.

You shall not really use gdb for that purpose -- it may mis-report the
stuff. If you're interested in address, take it in code and write it out. Or
look at the assy.

Some compilers have switches to adjust the for scoping, you have to look
which is the 'default' or what switches imly which...


author: Hiromi Mitome

subject: What's Best Carray Case For PB?

text:
Hi, I am concerning about buying carry case for my power book. Can someone

tell me which one is best?

As I concern, the safey issue is my priority to buy, additionaly, I need

some space to carray my files and book.

Thanks


author: lstrom

subject: Re: Powerbook case recommendation

text:
In article <[email]>
[email] (Matthew Plumb) writes:

The fall LL Bean catalog shows three good laptop bags: One is a bookbag
like the Campus Carryall which has an expanding compartment; one is the
Sportsmans Computer Briefcase, and one is a backpack with a laptop
compartment. They run in the ballpark of $95, $95, and $60, plus
shipping. Call them for details, the number would be in the 1-800
directory.


author: Brian Caldwell

subject: Re: What's Best Carray Case For PB?

text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (Hiromi Mitome) wrote:

I use the Executive Traveler case from Kensington. It's great because I can pack not only my PB 520c but also my Portable StyleWriter. It also has room for spare diskettes, papers, notes, a paperback (albeit a slim one). It's made of black ballastic type nylon (I think there's a leather model out now). It has a super handle and also a carrying strap.

I tried another one before I settled on Kensington's ET case - forgot the name but it's from Calise. Problem was it did not fit the PB 5xx models. It also seemed not quite as sturdy and had a lesser amount of padding.

Hope this helps!


author: David Wadson

subject: Re: What's Best Carray Case For PB?

text:
I use the backpack model from TARGUS and it works great for at school when
you have a lot of papers and stuff to carry around.  I had one of their
smaller side cases but they just don't hold enough.  By the time a stuffed
in the computer, AC adapter, extra battery, disks, pens, pencils, lunch
etc. there is no room for text books.  Sure I could have gotten a regular
backpack for  $30 as opposed to $80 but this one has a great strap for
holding the computer in place.  Another main compartment with file
dividers and a very big roomy pocket on the outside.  It also has a panel
on the back you can zip the straps into and use the handle n the top.
Very nice looking as well.  Whatever you do though, by a big case!! Unless
you're absolutely cramped for space avoid those small ones.


author: Alen Shapiro

subject: Re: What's Best Carray Case For PB?

text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (Hiromi Mitome) wrote:

My SO and I both have TENBA carry cases. She has a 540c, I have a 180c (rats!!).
We are both delighted. It expands 4 inches (zipper around the sides) when
necessary for thick loads. I have, on occasion, put both PBs in one bag. It
is well made, plenty of pockets, well padded, mine's still like new after a year
of heavy use.

If you get one, (macwarehouse), make sure you get the larger of the two sizes.
Also, check, and increase, the amount of strap pushed through the shoulder-strap
adjuster, both of ours were adjusted too near the strap end when delivered.
Wouldn't want the strap to pull free, adjustment takes but a few seconds.


author: V.J. Tedesco III

subject: Re: Powerbook case recommendation

text:
In article <3cbmi0$[email]>, lstrom@198.137.231.1 (lstrom) wrote:

I've owned the LL Bean computer briefcase for about 6 monthes now and its
great!   I highly reccomend it.  I tried several different ones and this
one is by far the best.


author: Kyle Cassidy

subject: Re: What's Best Carray Case For PB?

text:
I've got a jansport briefcase that i like muchly as a powerbook carrying
case. one of the things that i like the best about it is that it doesn't
say "targus" or "kensington" or "steal me i'm a laptop computer" on the
side. it was only $30 too because it's a "briefcase" and not a "laptop
carrying case". it's got two big internal compartment, two side
compartments, and a bunch of internal pockets nice for putting disks, pens,
papers, etc in. i give it four stars.

look for it in your campus bookstore....

kc


author: 7 Seas Software

subject: Re: What's Best Carray Case For PB?

text:
I'm very, very fond of my Jansport Powerpack...set me back $50, but it is
excellent.  Large capacity for textbooks, padded interior pocket for my
PB, exterior pocket fits my AC adaptor and modem cords, and exterior
pocket holds my modem...it's really a great deal.


author: Matthew Plumb

subject: Powerbook case recommendation

text:
I need a case for my Powerbook that meets the following 3 criteria:

    1)  It must have a small front pocket that zips all the way down the
        side of that pocket (not just open on top).

    2)  It must hold a Powerbook 540 and AC adapter (preferably no bigger
        than necessary for just that).

    3)  It must have a shoulder strap.

I haven't been able to find such a case.  If anyone has seen a case like
this, please send me suggestions.  Thank you.

PS: The PowerBook 540 is an incredible machine and Apple is really stupid
    to have dropped it.  Just my 2 cents worth. :-)

---Matthew W. Plumb, [email] (Price Waterhouse hired me
                     on the assumption that I have no opinions.)

---America, a country so rich and so strong we can reward the lazy
                     and punish the productive and still survive.


author: Sam Funk

subject: Re: What's Best Carray Case For PB?

text:
[email] (David Wadson) writes:

I totally agree!  I bought the targus backpack for my 540c  - it works
great. It's got lots of room, leaves your hands free to open doors, or
carry other things, and has great protection against bumps, scratches, etc.

Highly recommended!


author: Jerry Busser

subject: Re: Powerbook case recommendation

text:
Matthew Plumb ([email]) wrote:
: I need a case for my Powerbook that meets the following 3 criteria:

:     1)  It must have a small front pocket that zips all the way down the
:         side of that pocket (not just open on top).

:     2)  It must hold a Powerbook 540 and AC adapter (preferably no bigger
:         than necessary for just that).

:     3)  It must have a shoulder strap.

The case that I've been using since I got my PB 140 in 1991 has been a
Domke reporter's satchel. It's made entirely of canvas, and it's just wide
enough that my PB and brick fit snugly alongside one another in the big
compartment.

Also, because it's made of canvas it's water resistant, and the thing is
tough. It's made by a company that specializes in gear for newspaper
photographers, so it's gonna take a ton of abuse and continue to hold
together. Also, unlike the bags mentioned in the another thread, the
strap runs all the way around the bag, and it can't come off, so there's
no danger of some plastic doohickey coming working its way loose.

The only thing it doesn't have is a poicket that zips down the side, I'm
afraid, but otherwise I'd stongly recommend your going to a photo store
in your neighborhood and checking out their Domke stuff. I think you'll
be impressed.

Jerry


author: Kristen Shepard

subject: Re: What's Best Carray Case For PB?

text:
In article <[email]>, [email] (Hiromi Mitome)
wrote:

I bought a "computer briefcase" from LL Bean (Lands End has them also).  It
cost $100, but it's lightweight, fits my 520c in a separate, padded
section, with room for the AC adoptor and other things (mostly my sandwich,
chips and apple for lunch), and I still have the other have to carry all my
files, newspaper, and allthe other crap people carry in their briefcases.
Plus, it has the added bonuses of 1) nice, wide shoulder strap, asnd 2) it
doesn't look like a computer case, but a large briefcase.

Patrick


author: Phillip `Ty' Young

subject: Re: Powerbook case recommendation

text:
the side of that pocket (not just open on top).
The Targus NotePac I just bought for my wife seems pretty neat!  Perhaps
not as well padded as some out there, but then I got it for $20 (used)
and it does answer 1 and 3 of your criteria (it may answer 2, to, but I
only got it yesterday and can't remember.)

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Ty Young, Teaching Fellow in Cello & Early Music  University of North Texas
internet:  [email]		           College of Music
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


author: S. Taylor

subject: Re: Powerbook case recommendation

text:
In article <3cev1t$[email]>, [email] (Phillip
`Ty' Young) wrote:

bigger
I just bought the same 2 days ago. Looked a few, and chose the NotePac
also. Seems just right for a minimum bag.

ST


author: Jeff Cole

subject: Data cable for Siemens C35i

text:
Hi all.

Is it possible to get a data cable that would link the Siemens C35i and
Psion Series 5 Classic - the one they supply has a normal RS232
connector on one end - with a Psion RS232 connector instead?

Thanks


author: Chris Archer

subject: Re: Data cable for Siemens C35i

text:
Hello Jeff,

Yes it is see :

www.serialleads.co.uk

Regards
Chris

Jeff Cole wrote:


subject: Re: Data cable for Siemens C35i

text:
In article <[email]>, Chris Archer <[email]> writes

Thanks very much. I should have looked at the other posts more carefully
before I sent this 'cause I've found it already. Very good service.


author: Yousuf Khan

subject: Hyperthreading thread priorities

text:
Now, I read this a long time ago, but I am of the impression that in an
Intel P4 Hyperthreading system, there are two logical processors, and that
the first logical always has priority over the second one. That is to say
that if the two logical processors attempted to use the same resources
within the same physical processor (registers, memory locations, etc.) at
the exact same time, then the first logical would always have the right of
way over the second logical. Is this impression correct?

    Yousuf Khan


author: Eric

subject: Re: Hyperthreading thread priorities

text:
Peter Boyle wrote:

To be correct such calculations should use worst case numbers so there
should be no way that a lower priority thread can cause you to miss
the deadline. An interesting question is: are there worst case numbers?
In the case of a dual processor where the cache could be invalidated
by the second cpu, you must assume everything misses the cache.

I suppose the worst case execution when the HT threads compete
perfectly is to double the instruction time, and assume the secondary
thread rolled over the primary threads' cache, and filled up all the
memory access queues ahead. Yeech.

Eric