author: SMS

subject: Re: Can't Get Financing For A Laptop!

text:
Ex-ExPatriate wrote:

So you're saying if BOA has a very high level of losses, they just
increase interest rates and fees on their other customers, without
regard to the fees and interest rates charged by their competitors.

I reality, the interest rates and fees are decided by the market. No
bank can exist in a vacuum. There will be an exodus of credit card
customers if the fees and interest rates become uncompetitive. It
happens all the time.

Sitting down with a human at a credit union, with a few paycheck stubs,
would probably have gotten you a $2000 loan, provided your income showed
that you can afford to repay it.

In reality, $1650 is about right for a decent laptop. I just went
through helping a relative buy a laptop, and while there are often $500
laptops advertised, these always have some significant issues with them.
Many are good as a desktop replacement, but unsuitable for portable use.
Many omit vital features needed in laptops, and that are not easily
added on after the fact.


author: Ex-ExPatriate

subject: Re: Can't Get Financing For A Laptop!

text:
LDC <[email]> wrote in misc.consumers:

I work in the science field.  A "beer budget" laptop just won't do for
much of the scientific software out there that needs a "champagne taste"
notebook.  Anyone with whom you are acquainted in the biomedical sciences
will confirm what I say.

Did you note that I pointed out that this is exactly what they do in
DEVELOPING and UNDEVELOPED (2nd and 3rd world countries), because the
banking system is broken and corrupt, and does not do what Roosevelt-era
banking reformers intended it to do and which it did for 2-3 generations.

I suppose after Reagan and now Bush Junior---who have done what they could
to dismantle the New Deal and the Great Society----we are back to pre-
Rooseveltian banking reform days.  Expect the government to announce that
the government will no longer insure any bank accounts whatsoever.

I have a credit history:  in the 80s in the U.S. and in the 90s and 2000s
in a foreign country.  Whether you choose to acknowledge it is your
choice.

And I have a job history too:  looks just like the credit history.  And
yes, if you choose not to acknowledge it, then that is a fault you will
have to deal with.

Oh, so because you happen to suffer from a condescending attitude in which
you apparently express your dislike of me, and perhaps apparently because
I had the nerve of disagreeing or questioning your absurd assumptions
(would that be so?), you now somehow believe I will have continuing
difficulties in re-establishing myself in the US?  ROTFL!


author: Mikko Peltoniemi

subject: Re: Can't Get Financing For A Laptop!

text:
LDC wrote:

You're right. I hate to preach, but having to take a loan in order
to buy a $1500 laptop hardly seems like responsible spending. The
only exception I could understand is if the laptop is actually bringing
in money, and it's something that a cheaper computer, especially a
desktop, couldn't do. But even in that case it should be either paid for
by the employer, or a tax deduction.

Then again, even cheap computers nowadays are very powerful, and
perfectly adequate for most uses.


author: Paul

subject: FS: PENTIUM SYSTEM $600

text:
Pentium System Multimedia $600/best offer.
586 66mhz , 16 Meg RAM,800Meg Harddrive, 6x CDROM,250Meg Tape Drive,
1.44 Floppy, 14.4 Fax/Modem ,SCSI I/O Card, Enhanced IDE Controller
Card, SVGA
Video,keyboard, Sound card, Full Tower with plenty of room to expand.
Great system only used 1 month. Have new system.  I'll consider adding a
monitor to the interested buyer for this system.


author: LILhornie

subject:
SONIA SOTOMAYOR:  What We REALLY Want To Know Is ... Lesbian?
	Bisexual?  54-Year-Old Virgin?

text:
WHAT?

These questions are already bubbling within the "electorate."

So what d'you think?

----------------------

"The President's Pick"

"Kudos, and some questions, for Judge Sonia Sotomayor"

Wednesday, May 27, 2009

THERE IS MUCH to admire in the achievements of Sonia Sotomayor, the
New York judge tapped by President Obama to fill a Supreme Court
vacancy created by the impending retirement of Justice David H.
Souter.

Born to immigrant Puerto Rican parents and raised in a housing project
in the Bronx, Judge Sotomayor went on to excel at Princeton and earn a
law degree from Yale. She worked as a prosecutor and represented
corporate interests in private practice before being named to the
federal trial court in New York by President George H.W. Bush; she was
later elevated to a slot on the New York-based U.S. Court of Appeals
for the 2nd Circuit by President Bill Clinton. As a Hispanic woman
with such a diversity of legal experience, she would bring a welcome
fresh perspective to the bench.

Judge Sotomayor has spoken about how gender, ethnicity and race
influence a judge's views, and that should be one subject for her
confirmation hearings. In a 2001 speech, she said: "The aspiration to
impartiality is just that -- it's an aspiration because it denies the
fact that we are by our experiences making different choices than
others. . . . Justice [Sandra Day] O'Connor has often been cited as
saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same
conclusion in deciding cases . . . . I am not so sure that I agree
with the statement. First, . . . there can never be a universal
definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with
the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a
better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

Senators could ask her, then, how, when deciding a case, she balances
the quest for objectivity with her personal experiences. They might
also ask her views on judicial activism. In a panel discussion in
2005, she said that a "court of appeals is where policy is made."
Conservative critics have seized on this statement to argue that she
is a judicial activist who believes judges should make, rather than
interpret, the law. Yet her statement could just as easily be
understood to be explaining correctly that the courts of appeals --
and not the Supreme Court -- are the venues where the vast majority of
cases and policies are ultimately decided.

We hope Judge Sotomayor also will discuss her thinking in the case of
Ricci v. DeStefano, in which a group of white firefighters sued the
city of New Haven for failing to certify promotion tests because no
African Americans had scored high enough to qualify for advancement. A
trial court ruled against the white firefighters, and on appeal, Judge
Sotomayor and two colleagues essentially rubber-stamped the lower
court decision without elaboration, even though the case presented
important and undecided questions of law. That case is now awaiting a
decision by the Supreme Court justices whom Judge Sotomayor soon hopes
to join as a colleague.

Senators are right to closely scrutinize Judge Sotomayor's philosophy
and qualifications. She has produced a rich record of opinions as an
appeals court judge for the Judiciary Committee to discuss. Senators
also should remember that Mr. Obama, like any president, is entitled
to deference in choosing a justice.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/26/AR2009052602846.html?hpid%3Dopinionsbox1&sub=AR


author: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS

subject:
Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR: What We REALLY Want To Know Is ... Lesbian?
	Bisexual? 54-Year-Old Virgin?

text:
She's still a racist and sexist who said white males are inferior to
latin females.


author: KStahl

subject:
Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:  What We REALLY Want To Know Is ... Lesbian?
   Bisexual?  54-Year-Old Virgin?

text:
LILhornie wrote:

I want Republicans to oppose her. The more the better. The more
flamboyantly the better. I think it would be totally great because if
they target her unfairly they will totally lose hispanic support and
further decimate and trivialize the party. By 2010 they won't have
enough credibility to get any candidates elected in areas where
hispanics are a significant portion of the electorate.

Now, this isn't to say that they should back away from any issues that
truly represent notable hindrances to her confirmation. If there really
are things in her past that disqualify her and were not discovered by
those who vetted her, then that information should come out. But the
made up stuff by Republican sharks should be laughed off for the fiction
that it really is.


author: HONEYpot

text:
SONIA ... is this ... YOU?

http://www.xhamster.com/movies/152246/big_boobed_mature.html


author: krp

subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:  What We REALLY Want To Know Is ... Lesbian?  Bisexual?  54-Year-Old Virgin?

text:
"LILhornie" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Personally - I think he made a good choice! Nobody's perfect and she seems
to be really qualified. I think the Republicans would regret attacking her.


author: Deadrat

subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR: What We REALLY Want To Know Is ... Lesbian?  Bisexual? 54-Year-Old Virgin?

text:
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

Quit lying.  It makes the Baby Jesus cry.


subject:
Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR: What We REALLY Want To Know Is ... Lesbian?
  Bisexual? 54-Year-Old Virgin?

text:
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:

Well, at least that applies to Republican white males.


text:
"krp" <[email]> wrote in message news:c4cTl.1020$[email]...

It's more like pay attention Hispanic voters to how the Republicans go after her? Are they really the "party" for Hispanics? The GOP will really screw up if they go for it on her, I agree the Republicans will screw the pooch by attacking her.

MB


author: ray

text:
In article <c4cTl.1020$[email]>,
 "krp" <[email]> wrote:

The Supreme Court overturned four of her decisions since she's been a
judge.  How can you say that a judge who said "The job of a judge is to
create policy" be a SCJ???  Or the fact that she stated her minority
status would influence her decisions???  Neither of these things belong
in a Supreme Court Judges decisions.


author: Docky Wocky

text:
Washington Post, 5-27-3009

<snipped>

"... Senators also should remember that Mr. Obama, like any president, is
entitled to deference in choosing a justice..."
________________________
Funny how that deference stuff only seems to apply to Democrat picks.


text:
"M.Butzin" <[email]> wrote in message
news:oYgTl.20146$[email]...

MB> It's more like pay attention Hispanic voters to how the Republicans go
after her? Are they really the "party" for Hispanics? The GOP will really
screw up if they go for it on her, I agree the Republicans MB> will screw
the pooch by attacking her.

    Look let's start with she is a great pick. So she has some partisan
bones. Like Roberts doesn't? You see Marc, here's how it works. You get your
guy elected as President then he gets to name ANYONE he damn well wants to.
Sometimes the court zigs to the right, and sometimes it zags to the left.
THAT IS THE DESIGN. Unless somebody can dig some DIRT UP on her, like she
has been having sex with chickens, not liking her decisions is NOT the place
the Repugnants want to go. NOW - if they have evidence that she was or is a
member of the Puerto Rican terrorist cells they can go for that. Otherwise
they need to STFU.The only nominee that should have been rejected was BORK.
That imperialist asshole said that he could not find "ANY" right of privacy
in the Constitution, when in reality THAT is what the constitution is really
all about. THAT is the central reason for the little pissing contest with
King George.  Bork should never have been nominated and he should not be
allowed in the USSC even as a DEFENDANT.
\


text:
In article <oYgTl.20146$[email]>,
 "M.Butzin" <[email]> wrote:

Limbaugh brought up that point today, and asked:  How did the bashing of
minority Republicans hurt the Democrat party the last two elections???
Rice, Thomas, Alito???  It didn't do squat!  Not only the Democrat
opposition of these people, but the cut-downs and jokes of them as well!

In spite of the positions Bush gave to minorities, it didn't
seal-the-deal when it came to gaining support from these minority
groups.

Liberals will vote for Democrats, and conservatives will vote
Republican.  I say to Republican representatives, go get her and don't
worry about tomorrow.


author: Merle Finch

text:
"ray" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

The Supreme Court overturned Alito, too.


text:
"ray" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

    ANY justice's status affects their decisions. Even OLD WHITE GUYS.  As
the Indians say; "walk a mile in my moccasins."


text:
ray <[email]> wrote in news:[email]:

Sotomayor has 380 decisions to her name.  Of those, six made it to
SCOTUS, and three (not four) were reversed.  Reversal rates over the past
few years have been running around 75%.  (Which makes sense, since SCOTUS
wouldn't pick many cases just to affirm them.)  So her reversal rate is
significantly less than the norm.

Whaddaya think of that, ignoramus?

She said it's the job of an *appeals* court judge to set policy.  And
that's exactly what the appeals courts do.  The trial court applies the
law to a particular set of facts; appeals courts generally don't retry
the facts; they look at the law as it would apply to a wide variety of
similar cases.

Were you asleep in civic class the day they covered the US court system?

She's got quite a track record -- 380 cases.  Please detail for us how
her minority status unduly inflenced her decision in any, say, *one* of
these cases.  I'll wait.

Neither did interfering in Florida's election in 2000, but there you are.


subject:
Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:  What We REALLY Want To Know Is ... Lesbian?
  Bisexual?  54-Year-Old Virgin?

text:
Docky Wocky wrote:

No. It only applies to intelligent presidents. We did not have the
benefit of an intelligent president from January 2001 until January
2009. The unnamed person who occupied the oval office through those
years didn't have the ability to make wise choices.


text:
"Docky Wocky" <[email]> wrote in
news:Y1dTl.1029$[email]:

Rightards says the funniest things.

Remember all the Republican bloviating about up-and-down votes on judicial
nominees?  How they were gonna invalidate the fillibuster if the Democrats
tried such a thing?

Guess what song these hypocrites are singing now?


text:
"krp" <[email]> wrote in message news:F3kTl.1094$[email]...

ANYBODY has the right to change their mind on statements made in the past, <as they gain more information on the subject>. I also agree that Obama was right to pick another female, the fact that she "may" balance out the male Hispanics would be great.

But as I stated all Hispanics pay attention as to HOW the GOP party treats her.

Still a great Choice, BTW I know how things work for nominations with new President's.


text:
In article <F3kTl.1094$[email]>,
 "krp" <[email]> wrote:

IMO, we need an amendment that gets rid of the President picking judges,
and instead, make them elected representatives for a period of six
years.  Lifelong judges was a good idea at the time.  But because we've
become so separated and so partisan, it's time the citizens of this
country elect judges that represent their view on the Constitution.


text:
"ray" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

    It didn't, but it DID in the 3 elections before that. Ray - it is a
issue of the "Lesser of evils." If you don't get it - the Republicans were
turned OUT by the people because they said one thing and did another. What
the people did was change WHOSE dick is up their ass. It's time for a THIRD
PARTY.................


text:
ray <[email]> wrote in news:[email]:

Bwahahahahahahaha!  You and Rush really don't understand this?  Then let
me explain it to you.  Democrats didn't bash "minority Republicans"; in
the first place, W actually got a majority of the popular vote in 2004,
so how did the Republicans come to be a minority in the "last two
elections"?  Secondly, the Democrats bashed just particular Republican
fuck-ups, not for being Republican but for fucking things up -- two wars,
the economy, New Orleans, the DOJ, veterans outpatient health care,
Medicare Part D, anything Sarah Palin touched, et cetera et ad infinitum
et ad nauseam.

Rightards are going after Sotomayor for being "empathetic," in spite of
this being a reason that Bush pere gave for picking Thomas.  Rightards
are criticizing Sotomayor's fondness of Puerto Rican cuisine!  Rightards
are claiming that Sotomayor is a racist (that would be Newt) and
automatically biased (without, of course, citing any of her decisions).

See the difference?  Here's another.  Republican Party identification is
at an all-time low, as the GOP shrinks into a regional party of
obstructionists, on its way, one can only hope, to becoming the Whigs of
teh 21st century.  Hispanics, on the other hand, are the fastest growing
minority in the country, with a population concentrated in some key
(electoral college) states.  Kicking Republicans is the national
political pastime; kicking Hispanics is electoral suicide.

Bwahahahahahahha!  Condoleeza Rice/New Orleans.  Alberto Gonzales/black
Republican Representatives.  Oh, wait.  There aren't any black Republican
Representatives!

Liberals and independents will vote for Democrats.  Rightards will vote
Republican.  I say to rightards, go get her and don't worry about
tomorrow.  With any luck, you won't have a political tomorrow anyway.  Go
out in a blaze of stupidity!


text:
In article <9NlTl.17804$[email]>,
 Deadrat <[email]> wrote:

Thanks for your response.  It helps me to adjust my kill file which you
are now on.  Given the fact that you can't have a civil discussion
without using childish insults, it's clear to see that you are an ass
hole.  This of course is not your fault, but a problem with your
upbringing.  After all, if your mother was an asshole, she raised an
asshole.  And this seems to be your situation.  Reply if you wish, I
will not see it.


author: John Smith

text:
"KStahl" <[email]> wrote in message
news:4a1e829b$0$23341$[email]...

Not only that:
But when the shoe was on the other foot - republicans, trying to sneak
outrageously extremist conservatives in, whined and whined about their "Fair
and Balanced" choice being trashed. (Their attitude, emphasized then, was
that ONLY Conservative republicans TRULY knew how to interpret the
Constitution.)

They are also the ones who whine, constantly, about "activist judges", as
though it were true - AND it only came from the liberal Democrat side.


text:
Funny how the hypocrites always seem to be singing about anyone else's
embarrassingly partisan behavior.


text:
"M.Butzin" <[email]> wrote in message
news:P8kTl.20169$[email]...

MB> ANYBODY has the right to change their mind on statements made in the
past, <as they gain more information on the subject>. I also agree that
Obama was right to pick another female, the fact that MB> she "may" balance
out the male Hispanics would be great.

    She appears to be a fine jurist. That is ALL that counts. If we find out
she has been having sex with chickens agaiunst their will or is a secret Al
Queda terrotist, THEN I might have to revise my opinion. That she has
bruised the egos of some lawyers that have appeared in front of her.... HELL
most of them probably deserved it.

MB> But as I stated all Hispanics pay attention as to HOW the GOP party
treats her.

    I don't think it will be limited to Hispanics. Frankly I am COUNTING on
the Repugnant to be stupid enough to blindly attack her. I caught a few
minutes of Hannity last night. He was spastic over this and I felt like he
needed a good spanking.

MB> Still a great Choice, BTW I know how things work for nominations with
new President's.

    Oh I think it is a master stoke to screw up the Republicans. This is
likely to be the FINAL nail in the coffin of the GOP.


text:
"ray" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

    Your opinion is wrong - just as the left wing loons desire to get away
from the electoral college is wrong. For the same reasons. The founders were
RIGHT in how they set things up. The LAST thing America needs is a judiciary
that is POLITICAL and even MORE imperious than they are today.


text:
In article <GIsTl.1194$[email]>,
 "krp" <[email]> wrote:

I would welcome ten parties.  But as we both know, that will never
happen.  So it's time for the Republicans to become Republicans again
just like when Newt was running the show.  And I really don't believe
what the Dems said about minority Republicans had anything to do with
their losses.


text:
Deadrat wrote:

What a sweet idea that they won't have a tomorrow. Music to my ears.
Maybe they should reconstitute themselves as a party name
"The-party-that-hates-and-doesn't-have-a-chance-in-hell-of-ever-being-significant-again"


text:
ray <[email]> wrote in news:[email]:

Danada.

Up to you, Brave Sir Robin.

<*sob>
Oh, my God!  How will I carry on?
</*sob>

Guilty as charged.  But at least I can think for myself.

Oh, yeah.  And I'm not an ignoramus.

So long, Sparky.  We barely knew ye.

P.S. You couldn't even spell the President's name correctly in your sig.
Bwahahahahaha!


text:
In article <vKsTl.1195$[email]>,
 "krp" <[email]> wrote:

All things change, and back then, it was assumed that judges would act
on behalf of all American people.  Not the case today.  Today it's
appointing judges that represent the President or parties agenda.  I
mean, how would you like it if we had lifelong Presidents in this
country?

How would you act on your job if you knew that no matter what, you would
never lose your job and it would be there for the rest of your life?  We
would be a pretty unproductive country if we all had jobs like that.


text:
"KStahl" <[email]> wrote in message
news:4a1e832c$0$23341$[email]...

They're also making poinits, over and over again, as the whining child party
that only knows how to attack, smear and lie.

While it may or may not work out - as we have seen, the public is not the
best group for making decisions about who is most competant.
Also, the process would, probably, take more than a year - per candidate.


text:
"KStahl" <[email]> wrote in message
news:4a1e832c$0$23341$[email]...

He's talking about changing the Constitution. It's a STUPID idea. The
founders considered and REJECTED electing federal judges.  It's that whole
"checks and balances" thing that MORONS just are incapable of understanding,
they just want to get their way like all LITTLE CHILDREN. Same with those
who want to get rid of the electoral college.   STUPID ideas we'd come to
regret.


text:
"ray" <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...

And I really don't believe

You really don't have to believe it enough Republicans did and moved away. When you get a shit pie in your face from "promises" you don't soon forget it. But your right it is time for Republicans to be Republicans again. That's the problem with both parties when the whores jump from one party to the next they continuously screw up and get away with it, the rule should be if you going to change parties it can't be done until your term is up and then you have to wait two years to run again.

MB


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
"ray" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

    The Republicans want to be Democrats. The pricks need to follow Arlen
Specter and just get it over with! As long as the Republicans are trying to
out-Democrat the Democrats they can count on continuing to LOOSE elections.
Just listen to the debate within the Republican ranks. Many of them want to
be to the left of the Democrats. What a bunch of boneheads. Their head up
the ass agenda for the past 8 years TOTALLY screwed this nation because some
dorks in the Republican wants to PROVE that they could waste 200 times as
much as the Democrats.


text:
"ray" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

    Judges have ALWAYS reflected the political ideology of the Presidents
that appointed them. The pendulum has swung back and forth for over 300
years. THAT was the design. Now some folks want to change it so there is no
swing of the pendulum, BUT they also DETEST the very concept of the pendulum
being at rest in the middle. They want the court to PERMANENTLY reflect ONLY
their views and the debate is rapidly losing civility. They don't have the
ability to understand that IF they get their way they will turn the US into
another Beirut.


text:
"M.Butzin" <[email]> wrote in
news:7fCUl.17415$[email]:

<snip/>

The Republicans *are* Republicans.  Which is to say, they're Dixiecrats.


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
In article <2VAUl.1950$[email]>,
 "krp" <[email]> wrote:

 Amen to that.  But you have to remember who led the charge; George
Bush.  He was the guy who wanted to "bridge the gap."  And as the
Republicans swung more to the left, they gained strength and seats.  The
GOP really thought this was the way to go.  They are rethinking that
strategy now that they lost both houses and the White House.


text:
In article <n0BUl.1952$[email]>,
 "krp" <[email]> wrote:

It's my opinion that people out there want the courts to run a different
course than any particular president.  Many in the last election
expressed dissatisfaction in the GOP, but that does not mean they want a
liberal court.  They were venting off.

But even if they do want a liberal court now, will the people 15 years
from today still want that???  Probably not.  But if enough positions
get filled by lifelong liberal judges, that's exactly what we have.

We went from an all Republican to an all Democrat government in just a
few short years.  That's how fast people change their minds about
leadership.  And when they do change their minds, they shouldn't be
stuck with judges they totally disagree with.


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
"ray" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

    It is impossible for me to decide who was worse. Bush 41 or Bush 43.
They both are record seekers for the worst presidents ever.


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR SHE WAS MARRIED to a MAN folks.

text:
"ray" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

    IF the people want that, they are wrong and our educational system has
TOTALLY failed in its duty to educate them about the 3 different branches of
government. The courts have throughout the history of the United States
swung between liberal and conservative. That is the way it is supposed to
work. That pendulum must swing and in BOTH directions. Once you stop it youj
have the start of a DICTATORSHIP.

    It isn't what *I* want at all, it is the way the system is supposed to
work. If the President gets to appoint 5 judges, than we wil get a very
liberal court. If he gets defeated in the next election and Newt Gingrich
gets elected and HE gets to name 5, then we will have a very conservative
court. THAT, Ray is how it is designed to work, and it HAS worked well for
over 200 years. When you screw with it, then get ready to start
goose-stepping.

    Yeah, that's the way of things. Isn't it grand that this is NOT Nazi
Germany or Cuba???? People changed their minds because of the BONEHEAD that
was in the White House and a TOTALLY corrupt Republican congress.


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
"krp" <[email]> wrote in message news:0LGUl.2012$[email]...

OH please the old man was way better than his son....................he had the experience of Reagan to guide him Dubya had Cheney and he was with Nixon....plus he had run the CIA and he could deal with dictators better. Cheney ran all over W. The old man never let anybody run over him.

Cheney's political career began in 1969, as an intern for Congressman William A. Steiger during the Richard Nixon Administration


text:
"krp" <[email]> wrote in message news:pbPUl.2057$[email]...

Some Presidents don't get to appoint any judges at all, it just depends on if a judge wants to step down.


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
"M.Butzin" <[email]> wrote in message
news:pkIUl.17464$[email]...

MB> OH please the old man was way better than his son....................he
had the experience of Reagan to guide him Dubya had Cheney and he was with
Nixon....plus he had run the CIA and he could deal MB> with dictators
better. Cheney ran all over W. The old man never let anybody run over him.

    Look at the record. Bush 41 screwed the pooch following Desert Storm and
he broke EVERY ONE of his promises to the people. He was a COWARD. When
Democrats threatened to cut off funding for the deployed troops he should
have let them. Every one of the assholes who voted to cut off funding for
the troops in a war would have faced RECALL elections and been finished
forever in politics. The fact is the old man didn't have the balls to do it.
His son was/IS a fukking IDIOT!


text:
"M.Butzin" <[email]> wrote in message
news:hQZUl.24955$[email]...

MB> Some Presidents don't get to appoint any judges at all, it just depends
on if a judge wants to step down.

    Or dies. However that is the way it works. Some justices hold out when a
President they strongly disagree with is in office. It's the way the system
was designed to work, and it has performed well over the past 200+ years.


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
"krp" <[email]> wrote in message news:kfPUl.2059$[email]...
KRP,

No one uttered a word about cutting funding, he put together a coalition of nations, what did Dubya do? Briton Poland who pulled out, Canada who was heavily supported by out tax dollars, Australia pulled out also then When H.W. had run Saddam out of Kuwait he called a halt to putting our troops in harm's way (the 100 hour war). H.W. had even the Saudis fighting Iraq the ONLY one who wasn't there was Israel we got the base at Incirlik (they pulled it from Dubya). Kuwait promised and delivered repayment to the US, you got your pages shuffled wrong on this one.
MB

It wasn't until Saddam issued a hit on the old man did Dubya cook up this war.


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
"krp" <[email]> wrote in
news:kfPUl.2059$[email]:

When was this?  I doubt there's ever been a politician who backed cutting
off funding for deployed troops.  There are instances in which Congress
has forbade *future* spending on military activities not yet undertaken.
Please name the Democrats who threatened to cut off this funding.  I
presume you're talking troops deployed in the first Gulf war.

We don't have recall (or even RECALL) elections for Congress.

<snip/>


text:
"krp" <[email]> wrote in message news:fb4Vl.266$[email]...

I'll agree with that..............


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
"M.Butzin" <[email]> wrote in message
news:J3_Ul.24956$[email]...

MB> No one uttered a word about cutting funding, he put together a coalition
of nations,

    Only TECHNICALLY CORRECT. They congress just refused to approve the
funding until Georgie agreed to HIKE TAXES considerably. Bush 41 CAVED. He
should NOT have.


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
"M.Butzin" <[email]> wrote in message
news:J3_Ul.24956$[email]...
"krp" <[email]> wrote in message
news:kfPUl.2059$[email]...

What world are YOU living in?
The republicans started out far right ... and kept right on going, off that
deep end.
THAT'S why they lost their base!
They were too "right wing" extreme for EVERYONE.

KRP,

No one uttered a word about cutting funding, he put together a coalition of
nations, what did Dubya do? Briton Poland who pulled out, Canada who was
heavily supported by out tax dollars, Australia pulled out also then When
H.W. had run Saddam out of Kuwait he called a halt to putting our troops in
harm's way (the 100 hour war). H.W. had even the Saudis fighting Iraq the
ONLY one who wasn't there was Israel we got the base at Incirlik (they
pulled it from Dubya). Kuwait promised and delivered repayment to the US,
you got your pages shuffled wrong on this one.
MB

It wasn't until Saddam issued a hit on the old man did Dubya cook up this
war.


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
"Deadrat" <[email]> wrote in message
news:p8UUl.8484$[email]...

    At the end of Desert Storm. They got him to agree to hike taxes or
they'd cut off funds. Bush 41 wt his pants and caved.


text:
"M.Butzin" <[email]> wrote in message
news:6L5Vl.34449$[email]...
"krp" <[email]> wrote in message
news:fb4Vl.266$[email]...

MB> I'll agree with that..............

    It has served this country well as the pendulum swings. Only TYRRANY can
stop the pendulum.


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
"krp" <[email]> wrote in
news:NBUUl.79$[email]:

Desert Storm was immensely popular, partly because George Herbert Hoover
Bush had clear, short-term military objectives, met them, and got out.
He did "cave" on raising taxes.  According to Wikipedia, in the fall of
1990, GHB proposed increasing fuel taxes to balance the budget.  This was
defeated in the House, with the rightards (led by Gingrich) and liberal
Democrats voting against.  The former because they opposed all taxes in
general and tax increases in particular; the latter, because fuel taxes
are regressive.  Congress passed a continuing resolution but Bush vetoed
it.  Now Bush was stuck.  The First Gulf War, which had started in
August, was ongoing and without a continuing resolution the gov couldn't
meet the payroll.  Thanks to Republican opposition, Bush needed more
Democratic votes than ususal to  get a budget passed and keep the gov
open for business.  Bush compromised, scaling back the fuel tax and
imposing a 10% surcharge on the top income tax bracket.  (Making it 31%.)

I don't know why Bush vetoed the continuing resolution, which gave
everybody a face-saving out on funding the war.  But with his own party
stabbing him in the back, Bush really had no choice but to compromise
with the Democrats.


text:
If  Souter had any balls and cared one bit about his country, he would
recind his plans to retire.


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
"Deadrat" <[email]> wrote in message
news:gTVUl.12168$[email]...

    Bush chickened out and RAISED taxes. He SHOULD have played CHICKEN with
Congress. Like I said, if they blocked funding the troops, they ALL would
have faced RECALL.


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
"krp" <[email]> wrote in
news:KiZUl.168$[email]:

He did, but he was playing a three-way game of chicken with the
Democratic majority and the rightard wing of his own party -- the deficit
to his left, the specter of an immobilized government to his right,
rightards behind him, and the opposing party in front of him.  He was
surrounded.  He would have been blamed for whatever happened.


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
"Deadrat" <[email]> wrote in message
news:xOZUl.31016$[email]...

    Bullshit - IF he had played chicken then he would have LET them kill the
funding for the troops and not caved in like the WUSS he was. IF he had
stood his ground Congress would have raised the white flag, and if they
didn't? There would have been a shitpile of RECALL elections.


subject: Re: SONIA SOTOMAYOR:   A good pick

text:
"krp" <[email]> wrote in
news:Od4Vl.267$[email]:

Maybe.  Remember that he vetoed the continuing resolution.


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author: Cato

subject: Re: Spiders, Snakes etc etc

text:
G'day Mark,
I'm an American on Permanent Residency and have been here for over 3 years
now.  I still am not adapted to living with those hairy spiders, the
huntsmen.  Despite the fact that I know they're fairly harmless, just has
the knack of scaring one's pants off by the imdidating size...still I scream
and get my hubby to get the bloody thing out of the house or my car.
*grin*  Still, overall -- I'm OK -- your wife will be alright.  Just have to
get used to the fact that the Huntsmen spiders are here to stay and they're
natives of Australia.

Regards,
Dawn
http://members.optushome.com.au/dawndy13

"Mark Anthony" <[email]> wrote in message
news:9n09ui$s57$[email]...
against
such


author: Hills

subject: Re: Spiders, Snakes etc etc

text:
Cato wrote:

LOL - I've been here 40 years, and I don't like huntsman either! I
*hate* spiders. I can ignore daddy-longlegs. I can run from redbacks,
and get a shoe or stick and squash them (they stay still while you do
it!)

But I can't get used to huntsmen - they move so fast, and they like the
inside.. (at least the redbacks stay outside at our house).

Now mostly I avoid the huntsmen - run to the other side of the room and
call for my husband to 'remove' it. But my worst time was early one
morning, when I turned on the shower, stepped in, closed the door, and
THEN saw the palm-sized huntsman on the sliding door of the shower - NO
WAY OUT!!! and I'm standing there naked and wet.

You have no idea how carefully I opened the sliding door (so as not to
disturb it further, not knowing which direction it would run) and how
*fast* I got out of that shower!

I KNOW that they are harmless, and the worst it could have done was run
over my hand whilst trying to escape, but still they turn me to jelly.
LJ


author: Helena

subject: Re: Spiders, Snakes etc etc

text:
Hills" <[email]> wrote

Gee thanks, you have done to showers these days what the movie "Psycho" did
for showers back in my mother's day ;-)    I now check the shower stall
carefully whereas I never used to do that before. But I suppose better safe
than sorry. Just like I now check the laundry as I take it off the line
after my friend told me how she had brought in a Huntsman that had hitched a
ride on a towel that she had hung out on the clothesline.

Curious question:  where do you think the Huntsman came from that it got
into your shower?  I mean, that's always my question when I see a Huntsman
or other spider in the house:  "How do those %#*$^! things get inside?!?!?!"

When we first moved into our home we didn't really notice the window in the
toilet in the back of the house. It only covered about 80% of the space in
the wall. The top 20% was completely open - a primitive form of ventilation,
I suppose.  We figured that's where the Huntsman that we found in the next
room - the bathroom - came from.  So my husband covered it with a bit of
screen, as it should have been in the first place. No more Huntsmen in the
house since then. There are, however, other types of spider once in a while.
Big and fast, that just appear. Where do they come from??? It must be those
drains in the floors of bathrooms and laundries. I can't see how else they
come in.

Helena


author: spammy

subject: Re: Spiders, Snakes etc etc

text:
parking your car under or near trees guarantees a huntsmen...nothing worse
than one appearing while out for a drive.....

"Hills" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
years
has
scream
have to
they're
the
spiders
and
childrens
easily
please


subject: Re: Spiders, Snakes etc etc

text:
Ewww....*shuddering!!!!!!!!!!!!*  I hate it when I know that spring/summer
has arrived when I've seen the appearance of a huntsmen...*shivers!!*
I have the biggest case of arachnophobia -- I'm telling you.  I even got
scared sh*tless when my Dad bought this huge fake spider and put it on my
bed...he and my Mum and sister all were in my room, waiting for me to see
the spider on the bed and see how badly I reacted.  Grr..meanie them!  Ha.
That was back in USA and about 15 years ago.
I just can't get over the fact that the bloody huntsmens are soooooooo huge!
I've seen tarantula's, but they didn't really scare me that much because
most of the times I saw those spiders were when they're in a glass case.
Can't get to me, heh.  I just keep a good distance from the glass
case...with the idea of 'Just in case,they manage to break through the
glass!"  How silly of me, hehehe!
In general, I just am SCARED of any types of spiders...big or small.

Dawn
http://members.optushome.com.au/dawndy13

"Hills" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
years
has
scream
have to
they're
the
spiders
and
childrens
easily
please


author: Russell Driver

subject: Re: Spiders, Snakes etc etc

text:
spammy <[email]> wrote in message
news:iuIl7.2849$[email]...

Leaving the car under trees with a window open is really asking for it.
My friend did this and as she was driving off she tilted down the sun shade
to find a lovely,large Huntsman dropping into her lap  -- never seen her get
out of a car as fast in my life!

Russell


author: ness

subject: Re: Spiders, Snakes etc etc

text:
Dear Mark, Having arrived in Perth about 9 months ago and having the
same feelings as your wife i can quite understand what she is going
through. If a snake came on the TV back in England i would be crying
like a baby. Well since i have been here i have seen quite a few
redbacks but my way of dealing with them is to stamp on them and
anything else that i am not quite sure off. Its not too bad you soon
learn where not to touch and stuff and the children learn all about all
the nasties at school. As for snakes i have seen two (only babies but
that is not the point). After the first time when i nearly had a heart
attack and rain screaming down my friends drive things have got better.
I have decided that i was so scared of snakes because i had never seen
one. yes i am still scared but not as much it wears off. tell your wife
not to worry its not an eevery day problem and if you do see one just
run the other way (i did and it works!) if she wants to E mail me i am
at [email] good luck with the move see ya
nessQUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mark Anthony [/i]
[B]Hi All, We are just applying for our visa for Austarlia, but I have
   come up against something that I don't know what to do?

My wife is terrified of spiders and snakes, and we saw a program on tv
the other evening that has REALLY put the shivers up her. It showed
spiders such as red backs and others hanging on to the underneath of
wheelie bins and under the benches at bus stops, and snakes in the back
yards and childrens playgrounds!!??**

Can anybody tell me if it really is that bad, as this could quite easily
sway my wifes decision, and obviously I don't want that to happen,
please serious replies only, thanks.

Mark [/B][/QUOTE]


author: jeremy irons

subject: Re: Spiders, Snakes etc etc

text:
All this Huntsman spider stuff is starting to worry me now, the thread
started to look encouraging but now its getting very scary if like me
you hate the things. We are on our way to Queensland in around 1 months
time, how often do you see these Huntsmans? do they appear in all brick
built houses as well as wooden construction? do they run and hide once
spotted or do they linger and sneer at you while your pooing your
pants..Help........


subject: Re: Spiders, Snakes etc etc

text:
hehehe...its not too bad ...they usually run the other way when found

"jeremy irons" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Ym%l7.88247$[email]...


author: Johnny Boy

subject: Re: Spiders, Snakes etc etc

text:
"jeremy irons" <[email]> wrote in message
We are on our way to Queensland in around 1 months

We have been living in a semi-rural suburb of Brisbane, since January after
emigrating from NZ and in that time have had several Huntsman in the house
(which is brand new and brick construction on solid concrete slab), they are
relatively harmless, a painful nip at worst, but it's their size (average
small childs hand), long hairy legs, and SPEED that gives me the willies.

Redbacks are more of a problem where we are, (my wife killed 8 last week),
you just have to be careful and keep an eye out for the telltale "messy
webs" under your outdoor furniture, etc. And you have to swat them, insect
spray doesn't really affect these little buggers. A bite from one of them
will make you quite ill - similar to a massive hangover I'm told, but could
be more serious for a small child.  Encourage Daddy-Longlegs spiders around
your house - though they are one of the most toxic venomous spiders on the
planet they are harmless to humans and will trap and kill Redbacks in there
webs - I've actually watched it happen, (yes, yes I know, I should get out
more often).

Snakes, well, we once had an Eastern Brown (quite deadly) in my son's
preschool playground. It showed up shortly after a nearby bushfire where all
the wildlife escaped into residential areas to avoid being cooked. Now the
staff check the grounds thoroughly every morning before allowing the
children out there.

But the BIGGEST worry of any insect or animal for most Australians, is the
'white ant' (termite). It won't bite you or sting you - but it will eat your
house!

I hope I have put anyone off coming here because despite all of the above,
Australia, and I think Brisbane and South-East Queensland in particular is
the most wonderful place on Earth to live and bring up your kids,

Regards,
John

do they appear in all brick


author: Rocky

subject: Ed: Good going...

text:
Sheesh Ed, you bitch because I missed something you posted on October 5,
2003 and now the SUPER TROLLS have gone, in Shawn's words:  "FUCKIN' NUTZ
!!!"

I remembered the 2004 thread but I basically ignored you in 2003.  I thought
you were a TROLL in 2003 and I'm starting to think that again now.

I was looking at a bunch of post in a thread started on February 17, 2004 by
Dave D Ruff as the basis for Tim/realitytrasher's total bullshit on March
25, 2004.

If Tim Propes had played fair, he could have told me about your October 5,
2003 post but I'll be willing to bet he didn't remember it either!

Since you apparently wanted credit for being a "Torch Bearer" in this STUPID
FLAME-WAR I have given you credit for being a "Torch Bearer."  I hope you
are happy.

--- Stuff for Tim Propes is below ---

You are not just a TROLL anymore.  You are a SUPER TROLL.  A SUPER TROLL has
flagrant disregard for the truth and you have been a SUPER TROLL since you
got away with your bullshit of "Most of us here at MTT think your real name
is RICHARD BULLIS" on March 25, 2004.

If "Most of us here at MTT think your real name is RICHARD BULLIS" how come
I can find 10 posters in mid February 2004 that do *not* agree with that
statement and the only poster that claims he thought that was a Troll that
posted crap on October 5, 2003!

Apologies to Ed, but your Troll post on October 5, 2003 will not change the
following vote count from February 2004 and even if it did, it would only
make it 1 to 11 and still not "Most posters" as Tim incorrectly stated:

--- The vote count that Tim Propes BULLSHITTED about ---
*** 9 of the votes were on the same thread that Dave D Ruff posted about
aliens on and a link to his post is below so you can use that to verify most
all of the quotes used. ***

Despite what realitytrucker posted on March 25, 2004 the evidence below
shows only one poster claimed that "Rocky was Richard" and it was the same
poster that claimed there had been an Alien Abduction.

Starting with the statement Tim used to start a "Flame War" of:
"Most of us here at MTT think your real name is RICHARD BULLIS!"

tscottme started that flamebait with a statement like this from 2/20/04
"More precisely, I think you are Richard"

Rocky replied to Scott with:
"So what do you plan to eat with your words when you eat them?"

** NINE POSTERS DISAGREED WITH SCOTT **
** Among these are Scott himself and realitytrucker! **

Richard 2/18: "Sorry to burst your egotistical bubble scott, but I ain't
"rookie ricky" either."

Id 2/19 : "Nah... Richard ain't Rookie.."

Rocky 2/19:  "Rocky is not Richard"

SloRide9430 2/20: "Scott, I don't think he's Bullis...."

TurboTrucker 2/22:  "I kinda like the Rookie myself, and I feel he is
misunderstood by many in here...."

Informant 2/22: "It's not Bullis, just a wannabe-Bullis."

realitytrucker 2/22:  "I disagree with Tscott. As I said in a previous post
it seems as if Rookie has at least a little common sense whereas Bullis is a
blathering idiot in every sense of the word."

Amy 2/24:  "Actually, I think I know who Ricky, Rocky, Rookie is <if anyone>
and it is neither...... :)"

Scott 2/24: "You're probably right.", "He may not be Bullis but one of his
groupies, or more pathetically a groupie's groupie."

*** ONLY ONE POSTER AGREED WITH SCOTT ***

Davd Ruff on 2/19: "I think you're right Scott. The aliens had him but
realized what a bullshit artist he is then threw him back."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.trucking/msg/2917c7b8538e05cb

*****   CONCLUSION   *****

It was a single poster against 9 other posters, a poster that claimed there
was an Alien Abduction that would be the basis for this line used to start a
"Flame-war" that is still going on today.
"Most of us here at MTT think your real name is RICHARD BULLIS!"

I can find the quote by Dave D Ruff, but he basically points out that Tim
Propes should have known he was bullshitting when he posted about "aliens."

Pretty sad to think that a Flame-war that has engulfed MTT and has lasted
over 3 years was started by someone claiming they know about an "Alien
Abduction" when it was just a bad joke.

"Flamebait" compounds quickly when a newsgroup is filled with Trolls because
they enjoy adding to the "Flamebait" of other Trolls.

The power of "Flamebait" is mostly because nobody wants to admit it *is*
real.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamebait

Rocky - http://wookiee.home.att.net


author: RoadRunner

subject: Re: Good going...

text:
"Rocky" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
thought
by
STUPID
has
name
come
the
most
post
a
anyone>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.trucking/msg/2917c7b8538e05cb
there
a
"aliens."
because

Roger ... please explain to me ... WHY do you think that ANYONE gives a fuck
anymore ???  YOU are the one that keeps harping on this.  YOU are the one
that is taking away from MTT ... not the "trolls" ... which IMO I don't see
here ... except for maybe  ONE.  Check out the posts from the last 4 days
... how many were from "ROCKY" ... and how many by anyone else ... lets see
the numbers ... you seem so good at statistics ... post those for me.  Just
for shits-an-giggles.

Shawn


author: realitytrucker

subject: Re: Ed: Good going...

text:
On May 27, 12:12 am, "Rocky" <[email]> wrote:

                       <babbling snipped>

All of that typing and you didn't  say a damn thing that makes the
least bit of sense.

Do you read what you post?  And if so does it make sense to you?
Because it certainly doesn't to anyone else.

Damn, Woger, that crap is just senseless babbling.  Any newcomer to
the group reading that will think you are totally nutzoid.  Hell, we
already know you're insane but do you want other people to know how
looney tunes you really are?  I thought your goal was to "defend"
newbies from all of us viscious "trolls". Hell, if they read that
babble they'll run to us "trolls" to save them from the escapee from
the mental ward (thats you, sweetie).

You keep on posting, Woger.  Keep posting lunacy like that and I won't
need to post anything about you at all.  You're doing a fine job
showing how warped and obsessed you really are.  Keep on doing my work
for me.


subject: Re: Good going...

text:
"RoadRunner" <[email]> wrote in message
news:4659a210$0$10148$[email]...
NUTZ
2004
March
5,
you
you
that
only
same
is
his
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.trucking/msg/2917c7b8538e05cb
start
Tim
lasted
fuck
see
see
Just

Shawn, I give a fuck and if I were to start posting on this newsgroup today,
I'd want someone to inform me about the malicious posters that will post
total bullshit about other posters here.

After reading your post, I'd like to see what your definition of the word
"Troll" is.  It is certainly different from the definition of the word
"Troll" that I use at:
 http://communitiesonline.homestead.com/dealingwithtrolls.html

In the above link it also goes into very good detail about "High-end
Harassment by Trolls" that shows where Zï¿½ke, realitytrasher and Gashauler
fit in.

As for your last question.  Ed Propes takes care of "the numbers" and I
thought they were going down until Tim, Dave and Ed piled in a lot more
bullshit into this newsgroup.

Rocky - http://wookiee.home.att.net


subject: Re: Ed: Good going...

text:
"realitytrucker" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Here, I'll try to make it simple for a SUPER TROLL like you.

You used total bullshit to start this stupid FLAME-WAR on March 25, 2004 and
you still use BULLSHIT.

More specifically.  Using post in February 2004 I proved you used total
bullshit when you used the word "Most" on March 25, 2004.

Ed tried to come to your aid and have me count his October 5, 2003 post to
say that one out of eleven was "Most."  I can't agree with Ed either and I
really doubt if any reasonable person would.

There, was that simple enough?

 http://realitytrucker.the.bait.eating.troll.on.justicegonewild.com

http://realitytrucker.is.a.usenetbomber.and.one.of.the.misguidedvigilantes.com

 http://realitytrasher.is.all.flamebait.and.enjoys.slimefest.com

Rocky - http://wookiee.home.att.net


text:
"realitytrucker" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Here, I'll try to help the mentally challenged super troll named
realitytrasher.

FLAMEBAIT as used on this newsgroup is false statements to get other posters
to participate in a flame-war against another poster.

The above poster, realitytrasher uses FLAMEBAIT and he has since December
30, 2003.  realitytrasher has been caught using FLAMEBAIT to start a stupid
flame-war on March 25, 2004 and just recently I realized that he has
graduated to the level of a Super Troll after getting away with so much
FLAMEBAIT.

Rocky - http://wookiee.home.att.net


author: camilo

subject: remain in USA

text:
Hello I would like to apply for a PR but my fiancï¿½ has been more than
the 6 months permit in USA.  If I marry her am I gonna have any
problem.  Thanks


author: Shelley

subject: Re: remain in USA

text:
Are you asking if you will have a problem if you and your fiancï¿½e remain in
the US - or are you asking if this is a problem if you and your fiancï¿½e move
to Canada?
Take Care.  Shelley

"camilo" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


subject: remain in USA

text:
"Shelley" <[email]> wrote in message news:<Zp5c7.122878$[email]>...
Thanks Shelly!  You're right I was not so clear!  I'm in colombia
Working making the 1 year experience and she is going to stay in USA
more than the 6 months permit making the money.  After we get the
money + work experience, she is going to come back to Colombia and
we'll get married to apply together.

I'm not sure if that's gonna be a problem (that she remain in USA with
no permit).

Thanks


subject: Re: remain in USA

text:
The problem will be that if she gets caught working with no permit, she
might get a criminal record and then not be able to immigrate anywhere.
If she simply overstays in the US and then returns home, I don't believe the
CIC would have a problem.
Take Care.  Shelley

"camilo" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
news:<Zp5c7.122878$[email]>...
in
move


author: cece

subject: Question on 401 and IRA

text:
Suppose I have a 401K plan at work.  All its fund is at
investment company A.  Suppose I have an IRA account at Bank
B.  Suppose I'm now quitting my job, can I transfer my 401k
fund at company A to my IRA account at bank B?  Will there
be any difficulty or hidden costs?  What's better ways to
handle this?


author: Fran Matzen

subject: Re: Question on 401 and IRA

text:
cece wrote:

Better to open a separate IRA at firm C (Bank, Mutual Fund
Family, or Brokerage).  Then transfer 401K monies to that
segregated "rollover" IRA.  Doing this preserves your ability
to roll that money into a future 401K, if you ever wish to do
that.  If you mix 401K money with regular IRA money, you forego
the opportunity to EVER put it back into a 401K.

Lots of people are going to say "so what?".  An IRA is better,
more flexible than a 401K.  You'd have to be nuts to ever put
Rollover money back into a 401K.  Whoa, not so fast!  A 401K
has some advantages that an IRA lacks - namely, you can start
taking 401K money out, penalty-free, at age 55, under certain
circumstances.


author: Mark Freeland

subject: Re: Question on 401 and IRA

text:
"cece" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

You cannot transfer your *fund* to an IRA, since (generally) only cash may
contributed to an IRA.  Rather, the 401k will have to be liquidated and
transferred as cash.  That might be a problem if you want to continue owning
the fund and you cannot get it through the bank; or worse, if it is not open
to new accounts anywhere.

Assuming that you want simply to transfer the cash value, you should have
the transfer done trustee to trustee - don't ask for a cheque payable to you
alone.  Otherwise,  20% will be withheld for taxes.   The most reliable way
I've found to transfer cash from a 401k is to go to the receiving IRA (here,
the bank), and ask them how the cheque should be made out - it is going to
be something like: "Trustee at Bank B FBO you".  You then fill out the
company A forms requesting to close the 401k, with a payment made to trustee
(as instructed by the bank).  Sometimes the plan will send that money
directly, sometimes you will have to forward the cheque yourself.

Mark Freeland
[email]


author: Peter L

subject: Re: Question on 401 and IRA

text:
"cece" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

First of all I wouldn't put my IRA with a bank.  But in general I would say
yes, you can transfer your 401K to an IRA account.  Best is to open a
separate IRA account so as not to comingle your two accounts.  There may be
some hidden or not so hidden fees associated with this.  You may have to
sell funds you own with Company A.  There maybe transfer fees.  Check with
your 401K manager.


author: Ed

subject: Re: Question on 401 and IRA

text:
Fran Matzen wrote:

You can do the same with an IRA, under certain circumstances.


subject: Re: Question on 401 and IRA

text:
Ed wrote:

Yeah, but those circumstances are MUCH different.


subject: Re: Question on 401 and IRA

text:
Ed wrote:

Look, my recommendation forestalls no future options at all.
And while the funds are in a (separate) IRA, the owner can
do anything with the IRA as if it were a traditional IRA.
I just like the idea of keeping ALL options available.


subject: Re: Question on 401 and IRA

text:
Fran Matzen wrote:

The only difference I know about is if you retire, quit, or are fired at
55 or later, the 401k can be tapped without penalty. You can only take
money from the most recent 401k so if someone has 401k plans with one or
more past employers, that money should be rolled over into the current 401k.


subject: Re: Question on 401 and IRA

text:
Fran Matzen wrote:

Agreed.

I read somewhere that most people don't even know what their 401k plan
is invested in. I asked several people that have 401k plans and they
didn't know, on average they said they really didn't understand it but
they did know they were saving for retirement.

My own daughter has one. I asked her what she picked for investments.
Her answer, "moderate". I said fine but what are you investing in. She
told me they had 3 plans, conservative, moderate, and aggressive. You
could select one of them or you could pick your own funds and/or the
company stock. She told me she didn't know one fund from another and
couldn't be bothered so she picked a style instead.


author: Ephraim

subject: Re: Question on 401 and IRA

text:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 05:37:09 -0500, Ed <[email]> wrote:

I find this both unsettling and sad, and probably a political and economic
land mine in the not-too-far-distant-future. :-(


author: Brandon Force

subject: US-NC-Business Analyst (Powerbuilder, SQL, Windows), DB Basics Inc. #308

text:
DB Basics Inc. has been contracted to recruit and pre-qualify candidates
for this position.

Job Description:	Analyze systems gather, write, and document requirements.

Required Skills:  Requirements documentation experience. Knowledge of
Powerbuilder, SQL, Windows or C++.

Preferred Skills: Windows NT 4.0, MQ Series, LAN and mainframe interface
support.

Experience: 3 Years

Location: Raleigh/Durham (Ranked as the Number One best place to live in
the USA by 1995 Money Magazine)

Duration: On Going Long Term

Benefits: Free development certification training. Paid overtime. Life,
disability,  coverage at no charge.  Option to purchase medical, vision and
dental insurance.

For more information about this or other open positions, email your resume
to [email]


subject: Transferr Balance from One Fund to another.

text:
If you wanted to transferr your account from one fund to another do you
have to pay a fee? If so what is the fee?

D


author: Don Wilcox

subject: Re: Transferr Balance from One Fund to another.

text:
Read the prospectus for the fund to see if the fund charges a fee..
Read the Terms of Service and Fee schedule from your broker to see if he
charges a fee.

"(@_@)" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Jim Davidson

text:
"(@_@)" <[email]> writes:

You need to be clearer on what you want.

You can't "transfer" from one fund to another.  You can "exchange" from
one fund to another, which really amounts to "selling" one fund and
"buying" another.  The distinction is important, because this is a
taxable event.

As to whether there's a fee, it depends on the particular family (assuming
that you're exchanging within a single family).


author: Keith Busmente

subject: Effects on VUL Sales

text:
Okay, guys.  Let's get a thread in here that doesn't pertain to P&C.  How do
you feel the proposed IRA contribution limits will affect VUL sales?  And
before any anti-VUL pundits start screaming, I am referring to COMPLEMENTING
not REPLACING Roth IRA contributions.


author: Brent D. Gardner ChFC

subject: Re: Effects on VUL Sales

text:
Keith,

Good idea!  =)

It may hurt VUL sales, to some limited extent, but as long as we're selling
permanent death benefits where they are wanted, needed and suitable, VUL isn't
going to die because of higher IRA limits.

Think about it this way -- We've had defined contribution pension plans and
IRAs for several decades now and permanent insurance is alive and well.  Mutual
funds have been around since the mid 1920s and cash value insurance is still
delivering on the promise it makes.

For example:  I was placing life insurance where there really wasn't a large
apparent liquidity need prior to 2000 as a risk management hedge.  What if the
market goes down and then you die?  Would your spouse be able to handle a
market melt down AND the loss of a loved one at the same time?  Most of my
prudent clients can see how having permanent life insurance allowed them to be
as aggressive as they wanted to be without worrying about their spouse not
having the wherewithal or desire to micro-manage money they way they do.

Barry Kaye's books are great at showing how the proper use of insurance
products can fit great in an investment portfolio -- as a risk management tool
and a hedge against bear markets.  I highly recommend them.

Likewise, the books by Ben Baldwin on variable products.

Brent D. Gardner, ChFC
Chartered Financial Consultant
http://www.gardnerfinancialgroup.com/newsgroups.html
Growing old is mandatory.  Growing rich is optional.


subject: Re: Effects on VUL Sales

text:
Obviously will have some effect, but not really my target market. First of all
, they aren't raising the income limits and there is still that 59 1/2 penalty
that you don't have with VUL.

Steve, LUTCF


subject: Re: Effects on VUL Sales

text:
Kbusmente- You mean there are actually people who think some financial planning
tools should NEVER be used?

Yes, I think the new limits on IRAs will effect some VUL sales, not all.  My
last 3 VUL sales have been small business owners with corps so they can do
reverse split dollar.


author: Merl

subject: Re: Effects on VUL Sales

text:
There is an interesting statistic I read the other day --- less than 4% of
all investors contribute the maximum to either their IRA or their 401k. If
this number is correct, the new law should have very little effect on VUL.
Besides I don't see a real strong relationship between IRA contributions and
VUL.

Assuming a person has the need for life insurance in the first place, VUL
will always have a large market. I think it will eventually replace
everything else except term but who knows?
Merl

"Keith Busmente" <[email]> wrote in message
news:kzJK6.16851$[email]...
do
COMPLEMENTING


subject: Re: Effects on VUL Sales

text:
I don't think VUL will replace everything...companies pay much higher
commissions on whole life! ;>)


author: cal-lester

subject: Re: Effects on VUL Sales

text:
Unfortunately, I missed the ORIGINAL post, however
the statement below is NOT correct.

MANY companies pay a LOWER commission rate on
W/L than on Interest Sensitive &  Variable products.
Some even pay a higher premium on Term than W/L.

Cal Lester CLU


subject: Re: Effects on VUL Sales

text:
EXCELLENT!   Laughed my head off when I saw that.  Californy has taken a lot of
bashing lately, but one thing we are still lengths ahead of the country in is
that you cannot smoke in a public place here.  Even in outdoor stadiums you
must leave your seat to smoke.


subject: Artificial Intelligence

text:
On the net I have only found the situated one of the Ncsfutures system
that has a system working with Artificial intelligence to the situated
one www.ncsfutures.com

Of it you know others even if this seems toasts to see to me
from turns out to you?

I have only found some other thing on www.soldionline.it but only
written these of Ncsfutures instead they have a system in sale.


author: jack zaner

subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence

text:
Nice translation software :-)  Toasts to you too,  Jack
"S.o.S" <[email]> wrote in message
news:9pfKb.43387$[email]...


subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence

text:
Sorry for translation but Do you know about these?

"jack zaner" <[email]> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:wqjKb.1349$[email]...


subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence

text:
Sorry, I don't use AI to trade.  Do a Google search- - there are quite a few
references there.  Good luck,  Jack.
"S.o.S" <[email]> wrote in message
news:whnKb.45974$[email]...


author: Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year

subject: La Raza says 90% of latino infants born in USA on welfare!!

text:
The MX govt encourages this - go to america and steal from the
taxpayers.

http://www.examiner.com/county-political-buzz-in-san-diego/nearly-9-out-of-10-latino-babies-born-the-u-s-relied-on-wic-says-la-raza?CID=examiner_alerts_article

Nearly 9 out of 10 Latino babies born in the U.S. relied on WIC La
Raza says
June 14, 2011 1:57 pm PT .

La Raza sent out an email blast this week to supporters urging them to
demand that their local lawmakers “Save our babies! Stop extreme cuts
to the WIC program.”

The La Raza email blast pointed out that, “nearly nine out of ten
Latino infants born in the United States participated in WIC in
2008.   This program has been especially important for Hispanic
expectant mothers, who are less likely to have access to prenatal care
and medical information,” according to Jennifer Ng'andu, Deputy
Director, Health Policy Project for La Raza.

The WIC program provides food, nutrition counseling, and access to
health services to low-income women, infants and children.  However,
it is the ever-increasing Latino population in the U.S. that relies
heavily on the government subsidy.

The National Council of La Raza contends that Hispanic families were
the hungriest families in 2008, and say Latino children make up nearly
40 percent of all children living with hunger. “The last thing we need
is to take food out of the mouths of vulnerable mothers, babies, and
young children,” Ng'andu said.

snip


author: John Smith

subject: Re: La Raza says 90% of latino infants born in USA on welfare!!

text:
On 6/15/2011 8:56 AM, Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year wrote:

Yeah, just as with cuba, we mainly get the criminals and poor ... la
raza is particularly nasty trash ... good thing a high percentage of
those teens end up in prisons and cemeteries, since the public servants
seem to be attracted to stocking America with garbage.


author: Iconoclast

text:
On Jun 15, 9:56 am, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
<[email]> wrote:

The USA needs to stop offering cash incentives for Third World scum to
come here and make Third World babies.  We should offer cash
incentives for them to leave.


author: f. barnes

text:
On Jun 15, 11:20 pm, "Bill Graham" <[email]> wrote:

Put an ad in the paper or on the bulletin board at the local market
offering enough money and someone will do it.  If they don't, then you
haven't offered enough.  That's how the system works.   At least
that's how it worked before all the damn illegals showed up.

and I know they won't do it for a fact. Our government


text:
On Jun 15, 10:20 pm, "Bill Graham" <[email]> wrote:
.

HAHAHA.  So that's your justification for 30 million illegals running
wild in america?  That your blackberry bushes must  be trimmed??
That's all most of these illegals are suited for - maid or gardening
work.  We don't need to let these unskilled third world bums in for
that.

Clean your own bushes, you lazy jackass.


text:
On Jun 15, 11:48 pm, "Bill Graham" <[email]> wrote:

What about your SS check?


author: Metspitzer

text:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:01:55 -0700 (PDT), Iconoclast
<[email]> wrote:

And pay for Spaying / Neutering


text:
On Jun 15, 10:01 am, John Smith <[email]> wrote:

La Raza means The Race.  They are all gringo-hating racists and we are
idiots for letting any mexican come to america.


text:
On Jun 15, 5:01 pm, Iconoclast <[email]> wrote:

Just stop all immigration from the third world.  We don't need to let
them in and then pay them to leave!


text:
On 6/15/2011 10:23 PM, f. barnes wrote:

Ain't that the truth, his kind, which are using America like a toilet
with their cheap arse ways, are the problem ... they just can't bring
themselves to realize that to get rid of the problem, they would have to
get rid of themselves!


author: Bill Graham

text:
f. barnes wrote:

You casn treat the symptoms, or you can troubleshoot the system and treat
the root cause of the problem. The illegal aliens are the result of a deeper
problem. that problem is out government giving the taxpayers money away. It
doesn't matter to whom they give it. They shouldn't be giving it to anyone,
because it isn't theirs to give. When that situation changes, then the
illegal aliens will go home and the people living under the freeway will
either starve to death or go back to work. To mess around with treating the
symptoms is just exacerbating the situation.


text:
On 6/15/2011 9:04 PM, Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year wrote:

Pay them in a damn bus or plane ticket out of here, and not a penny more!

Well, unless it is spent on ammo to stop them from coming back in ...


text:
Bill Graham wrote:

Then, to beat all, the government wants us (the taxpayers) to do our own
policing of the illegals! That's what I pay the INS for. They not only take
my hard earned tax dollars and give it to the bums, but then they expect me
to do their police work for them. I tell you what. Go and get all the INS
employees and send them to Mexico. Then we can enjoy spending all the money
we are paying them to sit around and do nothing!


text:
John Smith wrote:

Then who would I get to clear the blackberry bushes out of my back yard? -
Will you do it? - I don't think so. Will those bums that live under the
freeway overpass carrying those signs that say, "Will work for food" do it?
Nope., I tried them, and I know they won't do it for a fact. Our government
give-away programs have spoiled the hell out of them.. So, the only hope I
have, at my age, is the illegal aliens. As a result, you have no sympathy
from me. Petition the government to stop giving my money to bums,
reguardless of where they are from, and perhaps the situation will improve,
but until then, you better get used to the illegal aliens. I need them.


author: Hisler

text:
On 6/15/2011 10:20 PM, Bill Graham wrote:

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. To quote
former Colorado governor Dick Lamm, "You have a duty to die."


text:
On 6/15/2011 9:20 PM, Bill Graham wrote:

The correct answer is to send you down to mexico, if you are going to
pay cheap-starvation-3rd-world-causing-wages and ruin the country, we
need to rid of your ilk also!


text:
Hisler wrote:

Well, if Dick Lamm is a Robin Hooder, then he is part of the problem. The
solution is to stop giving my goddamned money away! Like the, "Cash for
clunkers" program. As long as the government steals my money and gives it to
the bums, the problem will persist, whether those bums are illegal or not.


author: Hamilton

subject: Re: Bottled Water?

text:
In article <6ect27$[email]>, "dlavelle"
<[email]> wrote:

Well a whole lot of cheap bottled water comes right out of the tap,
goes into the bottle and is hauled away by the gullible.  Selling
perceptions is right on.


author: John Watson

subject: A rapid and frightening drop in Blood sugar--Help!

text:
I am a Type 11 diabetic ( 58, diagnosed 9 months ago) who is using
Gluvance 2x 500 mg daily and have achieved decent control of blood
sugar with last HAC1 being 6.2%.

I checked my blood sugar at 8:00 am this morning and recorded a 107
which is a typical morning reading for me.

at 9:00 am I ate 3- 4" gluten free pancakes,maple syrup, 6 slices of
bacon and checked my blood sugar 2 hours later and got a 121. this is
a higher than normal late morning reading so I decided to go for a
walk and not snack

Feeling this was a bit high, I did not snack and went for a
walk--after walking about 40 minutes, I started to feel symptoms of
low blood sugar and immediately turned around.

When I checked my blood sugar at 1 PM--or two hours after the 121
reading-- it had dropped to 35!

Here are my questions:

1. Is nearly a 100 point drop in 2 hours normal?
2. What might cause this severe drop?
3. Should I be reconsidering medication level?
4. How dangerous at Bs levels in the 35-50 range

I have had other episodes of low bs, all occuring before lunch but
this was perhaps the most dramatic.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts

John


author: Rosalyn

subject: Re: A rapid and frightening drop in Blood sugar--Help!

text:
John, a suggestion here.....never, but never miss a meal.....I am type 2
also....use the same med you do.....I have gotten as low as 55 when
skipping a meal....scarey....take your med on time and eat on schedule,
and you should be okay.

Rosalyn.....Springfield Missouri


author: Alice Faber

text:
In article <[email]>,
 [email] (John Watson) wrote:

Gluten free, but not carb free; how much maple syrup?

So you walked for another 40 minutes after starting to feel low...

I've had exercise bring me down 100 points in 45 minutes! Of course this
was after an overindulgence in pizza...

The exercise

If I were you, I'd reconsider the carb content of my breakfast. In
addition, I'd plan on a small mid-morning snack (taking food away from
breakfast and lunch rather than adding food). Finally, if I were
planning an hour and a half walk, I'd take food along, of two sorts. I'd
take something that might be a good snack, as well as something sure to
boost blood sugar if I felt low.

I have no experience with diabetes meds, so I can't speak to how they
might be interacting with your blood sugar fluctuations.


text:
John Watson wrote in message
<[email]>...

Your experience illustrates the glaring problem with Glucovance.  Glucovance
is a mixture of metformin, which reduces your Insulin Resistance and
otherwise helps control blood sugar. . .and glyburide which stimulates your
betas to pour extra insulin into your blood during most of the day.

 When you get a bit more exercise, such as you describe, your need for
insulin drops.  Unfortunately, that glyburide is still whipping your beta
cells to dump  insulin into the blood so you crashed.

That is an illustration of what we call "the need to feed the insulin".
Once the glyburide portion of the Glucovance enters your bloodstream, you
are committed to eating a certain amount  of carb to "feed the insulin".
Since you seem to have fairly vigorous beta cells  (which allowed you to eat
that high-carb breakfast without going sky-high), then whipping those strong
betas means you are making quite a bit of insulin and must do quite a bit of
"feeding".

I hope you are not gaining weight.  Many of us do when we first augment our
natural insulin supplies.

A lot of docs prefer to prescribe separate metformin and glyburide pills.
Not only are the separate pills much cheaper as generics, but you have the
option of fine-tuning your glyburide doses.   Actually, once that metformin
really kicks in (it really works better at 1500 mg/day), then many folks
find they don't need any glyburide at all.  It's very useful for newly
diagnosed diabetics who are usually in Glucotoxicity and need that extra
boost from the glyburide, but after they knock out their Glucotoxicity by
normalizing their blood sugars for a while, they don't need the glyburide
boost any more.

You are going to have to negotiate an agreeable solution with your doc.
Make certain he knows about this, it is a med problem and he has the
prescription pad.

You asked if the drop is normal and if those low levels are dangerous.  The
answer is yes and yes.   You better start carrying glucose candy around with
you,  bG's that low can put you down.  At the least, your driving is
affected.  Don't drive, operate power equipment, or climb any ladders
unless you know you have "fed your insulin" enough to avoid those lows.

 Gallows Humor:  When I started augmenting my insulin, I told the folks I
deal with " If I start acting drunk and stupid, give me a cookie"  You might
pass the word to your friends until you get a handle on your glyburide dose.

Regards
   Old Al


author: Ted Rosenberg

text:
You were NOT 35.  If you WERE 35, you would have been unable to read the
meter.

You probably WERE low, but no where near that low.   You got a bad reading.

John Watson wrote:


author: Julie Bove

text:
"John Watson" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

121 doesn't sound particularly high to me.  But I also would not have a
snack if I had that number.

I guess it depends on the person.  I have had this happen to me.

Could be the fat in the meal.  Bacon has fat in it.  Don't know how much fat
was in the pancakes.  But if the meal had too much fat, it could have
delayed the absporption of carbs.  You might have gotten a spike while
walking, then a drop from the exercise.  Or...  The 121 might have been your
highest number, but the exercise was enough to knock your BG down.

Not if this is an islolated incident.  Record all of your hypos and the show
them to your Dr.

They certainly could be dangerous if you are driving a car or operating
other machinery.  If out walking, you could faint and become injured from
fainting.  But in and of itself, the hypo is not dangerous because you are
not taking insulin and your body will dump glucose to protect your brain.
You would be wise to carry some hard candy, glucose tabs, or a tube of cake
icing with you in case this happens again.

Perhaps then it is the timing of your meds?  Wish I had an answer for you.


author: Frank Roy

text:
oldal4865 wrote:
(snipped)

I agree with Al on this. After 9 months you have probably reduced
glucotoxicity, lipotoxicity, and insulin resistance. Also your beta
cells may be producing more insulin.

"1. Introduction. There is now a large body of data documenting the
clinical efficacy of metformin in the treatment of type 2 diabetes, and
most of its clinical, pharmacological, and basic cellular aspects have
been addressed in several excellent reviews published during the past 20
yr. Recently, the UKPDS showed that metformin is particularly effective
in overweight type 2 diabetic subjects, a condition usually
characterized by insulin resistance. Moreover, in essentially all
clinical studies the improvement of hyperglycemia with metformin
occurred in the presence of unaltered or reduced plasma insulin
concentrations. Taken
collectively, these findings indicate the potential of metformin as an
insulin-sensitizing or insulin-mimetic drug, which is the focus of the
following.

Despite almost 40 yr of research, the precise cellular mechanism of
metformin action is still not entirely understood. Several cellular
mechanisms have been described but a single unifying site of action,
such as a receptor, an enzyme, or a transcription factor, has yet to be
identified. Nevertheless, it is generally undisputed that metformin has
no effect on the pancreatic ï¿½-cell in stimulating insulin secretion.
Mild
increases in glucose-stimulated insulin secretion after metformin
treatment are thought to be the result of reduced glucose toxicity on
the
ï¿½-cell secondary to improved glycemic control. ... In addition to
improving glycemic control, metformin has been shown to reduce serum
lipid levels. Metformin treatment results in a moderate (10ï¿½20%)
reduction in circulating triglyceride levels, particularly in patients
with marked hypertriglyceridemia and hyperglycemia, but also in
nondiabetic subjects. This has been attributed to a reduction in hepatic
very low density lipoprotein (VLDL) synthesis. Small (5ï¿½10%) decreases
in total circulating cholesterol have also been reported that were
essentially attributed to reductions in low density lipoprotein (LDL)
levels since high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol levels were
either increased or unchanged.

In addition to the improvement of the lipid profile, metformin appears
to have potentially beneficial hemostaseological effects. Fibrinolysis
is
increased and the fibrinolysis inhibitor plasminogen-activator inhibitor
1 (PAI1) is decreased. Moreover, a decrease in platelet aggregability
and density has been demonstrated. These additional effects of
metformin, which have been extensively reviewed elsewhere may explain
the advantage of metformin over sulfonylurea or insulin treatment with
respect to
macrovascular endpoints shown in the UKPDS. " Source: Pathophysiology
and Pharmacological Treatment of Insulin Resistance
http://edrv.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/21/6/585

Decreased Mortality Associated With the Use of Metformin Compared With
Sulfonylurea Monotherapy in Type 2 Diabetes
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/25/12/2244

Lipotoxicity in Human Pancreatic Islets and the Protective Effect of
Metformin
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/51/suppl_1/S134?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=metformin+&searchid=1040670908925_1157&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&fdate=4/1/1995&journalcode=diabetes

Frank Roy


author: Roxie

text:
What kind of meter do you use?  The One Touch Ultra is VERY reliable.  And you
are very wrong to tell John that his
meter was wrong, when he was probably dangerously low from the long walk--and
also unprepared for trouble.  His
troubles began when he believed that 121 was a high number.

The first day I used Humalog, I was not aware of the speed of onset, and found
myself at 32 while at the wheel of my car.
I quickly pulled over for tablets and Hawaiian punch.  And I have been in in
the 30s since then on occasion--and have double-
checked--and it was an accurate reading.

Just because you haven't experienced something doesn't mean that other people
haven't.  Your know-it-all attitude
may misdirect someone and endanger their life.

Roxie


author: Steven Gray

text:
Ted Rosenberg <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

Ted, I've been that low more than once under circumstances where I had no
reason to question my meter- and plenty of reason to believe it!  I was
able to read the meter and handle the situation.


author: REP

text:
In article <[email]>, Ted Rosenberg
<[email]> wrote:

That was my first thought, having tested at 35 a few times and once even at
0! I retested, and yes, I was low, but not 35 or 0 (I believe 0 equals
death or coma). I suggest doing all the tests you can on your meter (mine
has a check strip and test solution) and even open a new package of strips.
If you continue to get results that don't seem right, call the
manufacturer. Incorrect readings have been a real problem with some
LifeScan products - enough that they are under some sort of investigation,
or at least I was told that when calling about my meter.


text:
"Julie Bove" <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Julie:

I understand the danger of operating machinery or driving but wondered
if having a Hypo has any harmful impacts on the body assuming it is
caught in time...I had heard that experience with hypos reduces one's
ability to detect hypo symptons..is this true?
thanks
John


author: Nico Kadel-Garcia

text:
"Steven Gray" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns92ECEC2E3C8Fsgray2cflrrcom@65.32.1.7...

I've also done this when my control had been sloppy and bouncing for an
extended period. The worst case was being 22 mg/dL  but still conscious
enough to demand juice with a straw, after breaking my leg and having a lot
of control problems for a month (weird amounts of exercise on crutches, mild
infection, and a week of incredibly bad in-patient care while hospitalized
after the leg surgery). I was in a cafeteria at work for lunch and couldn't
hold my cheeseburger, my arm was twitching so wildly.....

While they juiced me and yelled at me, I managed to reach up over my head,
use the in-house phone to call my office and have someone bring up my
glucometer. My results matched those of the vampire summoned by the staff
nurse at the company, so I'm quite confident. And their results took 3
hours, marked "Stat". It took me a while to stop laughing when they called
me with the results, deeply concerned and wanting me to turn up at the
hospital for testing.....


text:
cc'd by email

There is NEVER a time when you "have no reason to question your meter"

If you are reading 35, you can not handle a meter properly.

If you READ 35, you probably have a bad reading.  I have read 30, and
350.  RARELY, but, when I re-took the 30, it was 65 and 63, quite a
difference, and when I re-took the 350, it was 162 abd 168, still high,
BUT not 350.

A home meter, no matter how good, is NOT always accurate, and whenever
you get an extreme reading, always re-take twice.

Steven Gray wrote:


author: John F Davis

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] says...

Well.... There has been a lot of discussion on that topic I'll give you
both my opinion and my memory of said discussion.

1: Opinion - Hypo's are a lot like drunks,  We've all seen people who
have spent far too many days "with their head in a bottle" (Drunk) and it
is for sure that getting drunk too often does indeed have side effects.

2: Results of the discursion - No clear outcome. No studies that anyone
could find have shown long term damage other than loss of hypo symptoms.
This may be because nobody is willing to do a long term study.


text:
"John Watson" <[email]> wrote in message

That can be true for some people.  I don't think it is necessarily true for
all people.


text:
I woke up the other night to use the bathroom, and then realized I was
hypo.  I went downstairs and took my bg, which was 16!.  I didn't
beleive it, but I was clearly having problems so, I ate some sugar, a
few spoons of jelly, and I don't remember what else - I took my bg
again, and I still felt lousy, but the lights looked a LOT brighter, and
it was 75.  So I went back to bed.  Of course, when I woke up, it was
200 - but I expected that to happen.

I checked the memory in my meter, and, what had seemed 16, while hypo
and half asleep, was actually 56

Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:


author: Alan Mackenzie

text:
Ted Rosenberg <[email]> wrote on Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:38:17
-0500:

Hmmm.  YMMV.  I remember when I was in hospital (mid 1980s) being
converted to human insulin.  Feeling a bit hypo one evening, I approached
a nurse and requested something to eat.  She responded with a BS meter
rather than food, and came back a minute or two later in a panic, saying
in effect "for God's sake, eat this quick!".  Apparently my BS had been
measured at 1.1 (aka 20).

Wonderful things, BS meters!  Seems an appropriate name, sometimes.  ;-)

My response to the nurse was to insist that my blood sugar, while low,
was not _that_ low - and to thank her for the bread and milk, of course.

Well, after having eaten something first, if you're feeling that way.
And, of course, if the cost of two BS strips won't mean not being able to
afford a meal in the coming weeks.


text:
Ted Rosenberg <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

OK, I'll accept that.  I should have said that I had symptoms consistent
with a very low reading and was more interested in treating the problem
than in pinning it down more closely.  I know that I've checked readings in
the 40's (on rare occasions), comparing a One Touch Ultra against an
Accuchek Advantage, but I can't swear to verifying any readings in the
30's.

Having made several thousand readings over the years, I think I know how to
handle a meter.  I think you're forgetting our favorite mantra- YMMV.  From
what I've read in here, different people react quite differently to extreme
lows (and to many other things).

Having participated in this group for over a year, I know that you're very
knowledgeable.  Still, I think that excessively strong statements like the
one you make above and the one you made to the OP ill become you.

That's more like it.


text:
"Alan Mackenzie" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Heh. Yeah, that happens when you're bouncing around and become less aware of
hypoglycemia. Tight control does help prevent this. And for some of us, the
glucometer use is a nearly reflex behavior and we could do it drunk out of
our gourds....

I had a nurse (during a nasty episode!) insist that my meter wasn't very
accurate. I said it was fine, and I'd have the results now rather than 3
hours later with her drawn blood sample marked "stat".

Mine said 22 mg/dL. So did her sample, which she got the labwork on 3 hours
later. (I knew that hospital's emergency staff and procedures very well, I'd
done a few consulting projects for their email.)


text:
cc'd by email
No, I think YMMV is MUCH overused, and, while I will admit to a remote
POSSIBLITY that you can still read a meter at 35, I't put the odds at
over 1000x1 against you being able to test and read while that low, no
matter HOW long you have tested.

Steven Gray wrote: