author: BNA

subject: MEMORY UPGRADE NIGHTMARE!!!

text:
Hi everybody,

I would never have thought how difficult it could be to order a couple of
SIMMS from a company in San Jose, California.  Browsing through the Bay
Area Computer Currents, I found an add by AMT International who advertized
their 4x8-80 Mac Type SIMMS for $115 each.  At the time I thought that was
a really good deal, so I called up the company and ordered the chips.
After the lady had confirmed the price to be $115, she asked me for my
shipping address and my Mastercard number.  Then I was asked if the
billing address was the same as my shipping address, which I specified to
be my work address (i.e., University of California at Berkeley).  When I
told them that my mastercard was from Europe she said that they could not
accept my credit card because their company policy wouldn't allow that.
Even after speaking to her supervisor, they still didn't want to accept my
card.  When I asked her if it is o.k. if a collegue of mine with an
"American Master Card" would call later and order the chips, she said
that's fine.

About 2 hours later, after my collegue agreed to order the chips for me,
we called AMT International again, but this time the price was $124
each!!  They gave us at least three different stories why the price quoted
earlier was not correct and neither wanted to sell it to me for the lower
price nor charge it to my "European Master Card", although I had contacted
Mastercard International before, who told me that AMT's practice is not
appropriate.  Not even to mention that they said they would call me back
about this two times and they didn't!

The moral of this story:

It's 4 o'clock in the afternoon and I still haven't got my bloody SIMMS.

I am quite curious what you guys in cyperspace think about this?  I know
that this message will never reach the popularity and impact of the
Pentium story, but writting this message certainly helped to control my
frustration a little bit!!!

Sidi Christen
Division of Biochemistry
University of California
Berkeley CA 94720


author: Jeff Jones

subject: Re: MEMORY UPGRADE NIGHTMARE!!!

text:
BNA wrote:
: Hi everybody,

: I would never have thought how difficult it could be to order a couple of
: SIMMS from a company in San Jose, California.  Browsing through the Bay
: Area Computer Currents, I found an add by AMT International who advertized
: their 4x8-80 Mac Type SIMMS for $115 each.  At the time I thought that was
: a really good deal, so I called up the company and ordered the chips.
: After the lady had confirmed the price to be $115, she asked me for my
: shipping address and my Mastercard number.  Then I was asked if the
: billing address was the same as my shipping address, which I specified to
: be my work address (i.e., University of California at Berkeley).  When I
: told them that my mastercard was from Europe she said that they could not
: accept my credit card because their company policy wouldn't allow that.
: Even after speaking to her supervisor, they still didn't want to accept my
: card.  When I asked her if it is o.k. if a collegue of mine with an
: "American Master Card" would call later and order the chips, she said
: that's fine.

: About 2 hours later, after my collegue agreed to order the chips for me,
: we called AMT International again, but this time the price was $124
: each!!  They gave us at least three different stories why the price quoted
: earlier was not correct and neither wanted to sell it to me for the lower
: price nor charge it to my "European Master Card", although I had contacted
: Mastercard International before, who told me that AMT's practice is not
: appropriate.  Not even to mention that they said they would call me back
: about this two times and they didn't!

: The moral of this story:

: It's 4 o'clock in the afternoon and I still haven't got my bloody SIMMS.

: I am quite curious what you guys in cyperspace think about this?  I know
: that this message will never reach the popularity and impact of the
: Pentium story, but writting this message certainly helped to control my
: frustration a little bit!!!

: Sidi Christen
: Division of Biochemistry
: University of California
: Berkeley CA 94720

Welcome to the wonderful world of competitive retail!!  This sounds amazingly like
the coin/precious metal market.

A friend of mine used to collect/trade coins and precious metals.  EVERY time he'd
call some place for a quote he'd get a fair-to-good price.  But when he drove down
to the store to sell or buy, SURPRISE!!!, the price magically went up if he was
buying, and down if he was selling.  they'd always tell him a story of the volitility
of the metals market and how prices move unexpectedly.  Most of the time he'd
knuckle under and buy anyway, he'd been hooked by then.

I, on the other hand, saw it for what it was, blatant theft.  The metals/coin industry
has evolved to the point where they know if they lie over the phone they can jack the
price up once the customer is in the door and still make a majority of the sales.

Bottom line is, as long as people go along with this it will continue.  If people can
be manipulated to the point where their desire to buy exceeds their rational thought
they can be conned.

If you don't ask me, ask any insurance agent (if they'll give you a straight answer).

Rave on!!!
  jeff

ne


author: MENDELSON CONSULTING

subject: Re: MEMORY UPGRADE NIGHTMARE!!!

text:
BNA ([email]) wrote:
: Hi everybody,

: I would never have thought how difficult it could be to order a couple of
: SIMMS from a company in San Jose, California.  Browsing through the Bay
: Area Computer Currents, I found an add by AMT International who advertized
: their 4x8-80 Mac Type SIMMS for $115 each.  At the time I thought that was
: a really good deal, so I called up the company and ordered the chips.
: After the lady had confirmed the price to be $115, she asked me for my
: shipping address and my Mastercard number.  Then I was asked if the
: billing address was the same as my shipping address, which I specified to
: be my work address (i.e., University of California at Berkeley).  When I
: told them that my mastercard was from Europe she said that they could not
: accept my credit card because their company policy wouldn't allow that.
: Even after speaking to her supervisor, they still didn't want to accept my
: card.  When I asked her if it is o.k. if a collegue of mine with an
: "American Master Card" would call later and order the chips, she said
: that's fine.

: About 2 hours later, after my collegue agreed to order the chips for me,
: we called AMT International again, but this time the price was $124
: each!!  They gave us at least three different stories why the price quoted
: earlier was not correct and neither wanted to sell it to me for the lower
: price nor charge it to my "European Master Card", although I had contacted
: Mastercard International before, who told me that AMT's practice is not
: appropriate.  Not even to mention that they said they would call me back
: about this two times and they didn't!

: The moral of this story:

: It's 4 o'clock in the afternoon and I still haven't got my bloody SIMMS.

: I am quite curious what you guys in cyperspace think about this?  I know
: that this message will never reach the popularity and impact of the
: Pentium story, but writting this message certainly helped to control my
: frustration a little bit!!!

: Sidi Christen
: Division of Biochemistry
: University of California
: Berkeley CA 94720


author: Ken Sullivan

subject: Re: MEMORY UPGRADE NIGHTMARE!!!

text:
BNA ([email]) wrote:
: Hi everybody,

: About 2 hours later, after my collegue agreed to order the chips for me,
: we called AMT International again, but this time the price was $124
: each!!  They gave us at least three different stories why the price quoted
: earlier was not correct and neither wanted to sell it to me for the lower

I've had the same experience, though not with SIMMS, when calling those
places with the smallish ads in the back of magazines. Usually they'll
say "There's been a price increase since we ran that ad". And usually
they want about the same as the other mail order places charage.

Ken
[email]


author: Bob Officer

subject: Gatto and the good old days with no-complusory education

text:
http://longstreet.typepad.com/thesciencebookstore/2011/03/coal-boys-1895.html

1965. Child labor.


subject: Re: Gatto and the good old days with no-complusory education

text:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:46:07 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob
Officer <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:

make that 1895.

Distractions seem to be the point of today.


author: carole

text:
"Bob Officer" <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote in message news:[email]...

  The Underground History of American Education
  http://johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/2b.htm

  "By 1917, the major administrative jobs in American schooling were under the control of a group referred to
in the press of that day as "the Education Trust." The first meeting of this trust included representatives of
Rockefeller, Carnegie, Harvard, Stanford, the University of Chicago, and the National Education Association.
The chief end, wrote Benjamin Kidd, the British evolutionist, in 1918, was to "impose on the young the ideal
of subordination. ... Students were to learn to think of themselves as employees competing for the favor of
management. Not as Franklin or Edison had once regarded themselves, as self-determined, free agents."

The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America
By Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt, former Senior Policy Advisor in the U.S. Department of Education
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/pages/book.htm

Free download of book
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/MomsPDFs/DDDoA.pdf
 large file, about 14gb.

Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling [Paperback]
John Taylor Gatto
http://www.amazon.com/Dumbing-Down-Curriculum-Compulsory-Schooling/dp/0865714487

The Makers of Modern Schooling
The real makers of modern schooling weren't at all who we think.
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history1.htm


author: Francis M Lee

subject: [ CHEAP SOFTWARE & TEXTBOOKS FOR SALE ]

text:
These software came with my new Gateway computer.  I already have them
from my previous computer.  They are all unregistered and in mint condition.

Microsoft MS-DOS 6.0 & manual .................................... $25
Microsoft Windows 3.1 & manual ................................... $35
Microsoft Works for Windows & manuals ............................ $65
Central Point PC Tools on Top (I didn't get a manual for this) ... $25
Diagsoft QA Plus (I didn't get a manual for this) ................ $15

Someone gave this to me.  I don't use it.  It is unregistered and the
manuals are still shrink-wrapped.

Borland C++ 3.1 & manuals ........................................ $115

Buyer pays any shipping and handling charges.
E-mail "[email]"

==========================================================================

BOOKS FOR SALE - _BRAND_SPANKING_NEW_ CONDITION

COMPUTER SCIENCE
----------------
Pascal - Goldberg, Brainerd & Gross ...................................... $
Fundamentals of Logic Design, 3rd Edition - Roth ......................... $
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Introduction to Algorithms : A Creative Approach - Manber ................ $30
Data Structures Using Pascal, 2nd Edition - Tenebaum & Augenstein ........ $
Computerization and Controversy - Dunlop & Kling ......................... $
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ECONOMICS
---------
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INDIA AND THE MIDDLE EAST
-------------------------
Islam : The Straight Path - Esposito ..................................... $
The Financial Expert - Narayan ........................................... $
The Thief and the Dogs - Mahfouz ......................................... $

LITERATURE HUMANITIES
---------------------
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To the Lighthouse - Woolf ................................................ $

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-------
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-----------
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Buyer pays shipping and handling
E-mail [email]


author: Mike Wilson

subject: MS-DOS 6.0

text:
.0 & manual .................................... $25

   Francis, I will meet your price on this, but ask that shipping
   (Priority Mail) be included.  If this is agreeable, e-mail
   [email] to confirm, with your address to
   mail money order.

   Were these on 3 and a half or 5 and a quarter inch diskettes?

Mike Wilson
909 Roberval Drive
Virginia Beach, VA.  23454-6731
1-804-721-3573

 * DeLuxe2/386 1.25 #12909 * Selective Source BBS - Virginia Beach, Va


author: bostonbelle

subject: surrendering I-94 card at the US border - experts please advice

text:
While crossing the US border into Canada if one is going for a week end
to land, if the officer asks you to surrender the I-94 card what do you
tell him becasue I would need my I-94 card to re- enter the US.

Thanks.


subject: Re: surrendering I-94 card at the US border - experts please advice

text:
I am not on a green card but on my F1 here. I was told that if you are
just crossing the border for a few days they do not as kyou for the I-94
card. Unfortunately my issue is that last year I did a change of status
from H-4 and if I surrender my I-94 card then I will have to go for a
stamping again which I do not want to as I will be leaving for Canada in
September anyway.

Any suggestions?


author: kamran

text:
It all depends on your status in US.
If you are non immigrant then you MUST have to leave through designated
ports and surrender your I-94. You need a valid visa to come back to US.
If you are on Green card then it makes no difference if you surrender it
or not. You will get a new one when you will come back to US.


author: alam

text:
How many times are u going to ask this question....just do not surrender
it...tell them you have to go back to US to take care of your business.
Originally posted by bostonbelle
Thanks.


author: Mr. J. L.

subject: Re: THINKING ABOUT WINDOWS 95?? READ THIS!

text:
In article <449cpm$[email]>,
Nick Dolan <[email]> wrote:

forsale:
 PC (8) 1 meg 30 pin simm (name brand)    best offer
  (4)  256k simm 30 pin (by smart)       best offer
  (1)  Apple 64 pin  8 meg               best offer
        id : 1983-1988 apple
             341-0655a
             fd 1501
                9015   Japan
         was plug on the ROM slot for some reasons

          Previous used on Apple IIx
 open to trade
 for 486mb+cpu (vlb) dx2-80 up
+ shipping or cod
all items in sacramento.
reply if interesting [email]


author: [redacted]

subject: Closing costs deductions

text:
Which of these can I deduct from my closing costs for
selling my residential rental property?

home warranty
flood certification
closing fee
title insurance binder
title insurance
fed ex fees
tax on commission

Many thanks

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author: Craig Smalley

subject: Re: Closing costs deductions

text:
None

Craig Smalley

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author: David Woods EA MST

subject: Re: Closing costs deductions

text:
None, they are all a cost of sale.

David M. Woods, EA, MST
(617) 723-2422
Boston, MA
www.rytercpa.com

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author: Paul A. Thomas

subject: Re: Closing costs deductions

text:
[email] wrote

All of it.  It's rental property, and all the sales costs
are deductible.


author: Breezy

subject: Re: Closing costs deductions

text:
"Craig Smalley" <[email]> wrote:

These aren't deductible for rental property?

Faith

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subject: Re: Closing costs deductions

text:
They are a cost of sale.  They are NOT rental deductions.

David M. Woods, EA, MST
(617) 723-2422
Boston, MA
www.rytercpa.com

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author: Tom

subject: Re: Closing costs deductions

text:
Breezy <[email]> wrote

Not deductible on Sch. E. They are costs of the sale and
are reported on the 4797, reducing the gain or increasing
the loss.

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subject: Re: Closing costs deductions

text:
"Tom" <[email]> wrote:

Thanks [Dave too] for clarifying.

Faith

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author: Runedaur

subject: Re: Darby et al, NATURE, 1995

text:
In article <[email]>,
  howard hershey <[email]> wrote:

[neat argument snipped; please see Mr. Hershey's original]

He does?  Mr. Hershey, I for one read it only as a possibility.  It is
in the nature of possibilities, that they may be ruled out.

Where does this statement come from?  "Quite clear" from what?  Are
we still talking about Darby's hemophiliacs here?

That would be a good one.  How would we define AIDS in that group?
AIDS has very different patterns, depending on whether one is gay,
an intravenous drug user, a hemophiliac, a newborn, or an African.
There are even discrepancies between American-pattern and European-
pattern AIDS.  So, one wonders what sort of model one would use to
identify AIDS-type illness in a wholly new group, the mentally ill.

There is also the question of how severely scared an HIV- person
might be about his health.  Just because we are Western sophisticates
does not immunize us against the shamanistic "finger of death" that
anthropologists note elsewhere.  How many people die because their
doctors tell them there's no hope?  That the placebo effect
exists at all is proof enough of a psychological component to our
physiological wellbeing; there is no reason to suppose that the
effect is exclusively positive, i.e., towards healing.

Are you familiar with Philpott from other sources?

A) All drugs that have been tested are safe?  Wish I could recall
which ones were involved in the flap -- was it last year? -- about
drugs rushed to market and then had to be recalled ....

B)  He doesn't present any evidence -- I guess the quote from the
Physician's Desk Reference doesn't count?:

    For this reason, the 1994 Physician' Desk Reference (p.742-746)
    entry for AZT states: "It is often difficult to distinguish
    adverse effects possibly associated with AZT administration
    from underlying signs of [so-called] HIV disease."

I have read elsewhere (can't remember where; it's just one of
those bits that litter my excuse for a brain) that AZT was
developed in the 1960's to treat cancer, but was found too toxic
for human use.  Granted, Philpott does not mention this; but he
may have thought it was rather generally known.

Contrariwise, what is your evidence that the stuffs are not toxic
enough to brutalize an immune system?  Indeed, you imply that they
are as benign as aspirin.  That they have been "tested" is, alas,
not much of an argument, as I intimated above.  I know I could
fairly readily lay my hands on an account of at least one drug
that was approved and then recalled for toxicity, but, honestly,
couldn't you, too?

In the case of SMON in Japan, it was finally determined that the
very diarrhea-treating drug they were using to treat the initial
symptoms was itself causing the SMON.

Yet it remains:  mortality among British hemophiliacs was steady
*until* testing.  If HIV kills so readily, should not the death
rate have been rising instead from the presumed time of introduction
of HIV into the population?  Or did HIV not arrive in Britain until
1985?  If so, what of the putative 10-year latency period?  Why do
*you* think the mortality rate rises with the start of testing -- but
was steady until then?

I did.  I did it without an axe to grind either way.  I would be
very interested in a rebuttal to Philpotts.  You started off
rather well re: the possibility of factor VIII contamination.

BTW, how does a hemophiliac contract HIV from factor VIII?  I
thought the viability of HIV in fresh spilled blood was a matter
of hours, at most, before it dried up and "died" -- but factor
VIII is usually prepared dry, for months of shelf-life, isn't it?


author: relative truth

subject: The spread of disinformation (was: Darby et al, NATURE, 1995)

text:
Runedaur wrote:

: BTW, how does a hemophiliac contract HIV from factor VIII?  I
: thought the viability of HIV in fresh spilled blood was a matter
: of hours, at most, before it dried up and "died" -- but factor
: VIII is usually prepared dry, for months of shelf-life, isn't it?

The spread of "dissident" arguments which are convincing and sound
from a superficial point of view, but easily refutable by experts,
constitutes an efficient method to discredit the AIDS dissident
movement as a whole. Therefore it is interesting to examine the
origin(s) and histories of such fake arguments.

In the case presented by Runedaur, it is Eleni Papadopulos
herself who contributes in weakening the AIDS dissidents.

Extract from an interview with Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos (EPE)
by Christine Johnson (CJ):

  CJ:  I must confess I find it very hard to accept that
       haemophiliacs have not been infected through contaminated
       clotting concentrates. And I bet haemophiliacs do too.

  EPE: Unfortunately that is true but perhaps I can persuade you
       with one quick and simple explanation. Tell me this. If
       someone HIV positive is cut and bleeds how long does the
       blood remain infectious? Outside the body?

  CJ:  According to what I've read, for only a few hours at the
       most.

  EPE: And why is that?

  CJ:  Because HIV dries out and dies. Certainly that's what the
       CDC says.

  EPE: OK. Let me ask you this. How is factor VIII made?

  CJ:  From donated blood.

  EPE: Right. Have you ever seen a vial of factor VIII?

  CJ:  No.

  EPE: All right I'll tell you. It comes as a dry, flaky,
       yellowish powder and by the time it's used it's at least
       a couple of months old. Do you see the problem?

  CJ:  I do. If it's dry and that old any HIV in it should be
       long dead.

  EPE: Exactly. So how does factor VIII cause HIV infection
       and AIDS in haemophiliacs?

  CJ:  I don't know but I think I'm beginning to see why your
       group is not the toast of the town.

  http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/data/cjinterviewep.htm

The more I think about it, the more it seems plausible to me
that Papadopulos' main objective is to subtly undermine
the theories of consistent dissidents such as Duesberg, by
presenting superficially similar, but from a scientific point
of view obviously untenable alternatives.

That Papadopulos et al have succeeded in misleading so many
persons is really a tragedy.

Z. at Z.

The explanation of HIV denial:
http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=646482417


author: Grace Haliburton

subject: Re: Darby et al, NATURE, 1995

text:
Because testing occurred 8 years after the first infected treatments- on the low end of the average latency period, but reasonable. A certain number of patients who received the infected treatments in 1977 would have developed full-blown AIDS by 1985, which explains the increase in deaths without resorting to death-by-hypochondria or death-by-medication. The testing did not cause the increase in deaths, it just happened to be timed just right.

-Grace
"Never trust anything that thinks for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain." -J.K. Rowling


author: howard hershey

subject: Re: Darby et al, NATURE, 1995

text:
Runedaur wrote:
[snip]

HIV is not Ebola.  It does not kill by the same rapid mechanism.  The
initial response to HIV infection is simple flu-like symptoms.  Unlike
flu, however, the virus is not completely cleared from the body and
continually emerges from cryptic sites.  To affect overall mortality in
hemophiliacs significantly, the population must have 1) a *significant*
percentage of HIV+ individuals donating blood and 2) sufficient time
until the immune system of infected individuals is worn down
sufficiently to permit the opportunistic infections.  The time course
from initial infection to death by opportunistic disease is not measured
in days or months, but in years.  It is quite clear that in the U.S.
(not true in other countries, I am not sure whether homosexuals or
needle-using drug addicts were the primary infected group in Britain),
HIV/AIDS entered the blood supply *following* its initial wide spread
within the gay community (or drug community).  The disease caused by
HIV, of course, was and would be noticed first in that community and not
in the blood-product using community. The blood-product using community
would only get significant levels of disease *after* there is a
significant level of infection in the blood-donating community.

HIV as a possible cause of the disease AIDS was first suggested from
evidence in the first community (in an industrially advanced nation)
attacked.  The time at which significant numbers of hemophiliacs would
be infected (sufficient to infect a significant number of hemophiliacs
by pure chance use of HIV-infected blood products) is dependent on the
prior spread of HIV in blood donor communities (like homosexuals), not
due to the ability to test individuals for HIV.  The only effect that
testing had on the hemophiliacs was 1) to identify those who already had
the virus and 2) provide a test for blood products to prevent infecting
others after that point.  In short, most of the 56% and 14% were
infected with HIV before the test came into existence.  But the disease
state does not appear with initial infection, but after long struggle
with the virus.  And the disease state is indirectly caused by the
virus, not directly caused by it.  Not a single one of the AIDS-defining
diseases is directly caused by HIV.  Each of them has a separate cause.
The only thing the AIDS-defining diseases have in common is that they
only cause disease (or cause a particular disease pattern) in
individuals with a severly compromised immune system.  Often it is not
enough to have an opportunistic disease, some of which can occur
occassionally in non-immune compromised individuals, the disease must be
of a severity or extent that does not occur in individuals without a
severly compromised immune system.  HIV causes the acquired immune
deficiency that is a requisite feature of AIDS.

Lag time.  Before there was a significant rise in AIDS in the
hemophiliac community, there was already some unlucky souls who happened
to get infected early (when the chance of being infected was low) and
who progressed to AIDS on the short side of the mean.  Add in both the
increasing chance of infection until blood could be tested (which means
that most people infected will have gotten infection within a year or
two of the ability to test blood) and the long lag time until HIV
progresses to AIDS, and you get rises in AIDS cases (but only among the
HIV+ hemophiliacs) for a long period of time even after blood could be
tested to prevent new infection.  If testing had not started when it
did, you would likely not have many HIV- hemophiliacs to examine, but
the AIDS cases would still have increased.

Freeze-drying is used.  It is often used to preserve the structure and
functionality of sensitve enzymes (like factor VIII and, incidently,
viruses).  Air drying is entirely different in its effect and usually
does destroy functionality by denaturing the proteins.


subject: Re: Darby et al, NATURE, 1995

text:
Runedaur wrote:
[snip]

Not really when he himself poiints out that no more than half of HIV+
patients got AZT *before* the onset and identification of AIDS (the
presence of one or more of the opportunistic diseases) and we are
talking about the difference between a death rate of 80/1000 and less
than 10/10000.  Even *if* every case of AIDS in patients that got AZT
were somehow due to the drug (a possibility that can be dismissed by the
initial studies of the effect of AZT alone in patients in double blind
studies with a placebo), that would still leave half of the deaths that
would somehow have to be explained by some *other* drug (different mode
of action and potential rare side effects) causing the symptoms of
AIDS.  He presents absolutely no evidence to support *even* the
assertion that AZT causes AIDS (rather than symptoms likd diarhhea and
nausea) that cannot be distinguished from infection, much less that
other drugs do.  The drugs in question have all undergone controlled and
double-blind experimentation where the potential side effects and the
frequency at which they occur have been measured.  Essentially, he
doesn't even look.  He just asserts that these other drugs *could* do
it.

If not that, he asserts, again without a shred of real evidence, that
AIDS is a psychosomatic disease, caused solely by people being worried
that they might get PCP or extensive thrush or any of the other
diseases.  All he does is claim that some of the deaths might be hidden
suicides (recorded suicides is contradicted by the evidence) by doctors
killing their patients (actually, the doctors are probably doing the
same thing for terminal and suffering AIDS patients that they do for
other terminal and suffering patients).

There is a very simple alternative explanation consistent with the
evidence that does not require all that hand-waving and different
explanations (AZT! and anti-fungals! and proteins in the extracts! and
psychosomatic disease!) Anything but the simplest explanation which is
that HIV infection leads to severely damaged immune system which renders
the patient susceptible to opportunistic infections.
[snip]

I have never claimed that all drugs are benign; and AZT certainly can
cause (rarely) death by a kind of allergic reaction and shock.  But
these drugs have all been tested quite thouroughly.  None of them cause
AIDS.  None of them destroy immune systems by specifically reducing CD4
lymphocytes.  Look up the drugs and their side effects.

[snip]


author: Robert S. Holzman

subject: Re: Darby et al, NATURE, 1995

text:
For a guy with no axe to grind you repeat a hell of a lot of
canards but I
will give you the benefit of the doubt.

But to this point, you are wrong on the survival of the virus
which
in a dry test tube may remain cultivable for a week or so(though
a large proportion of
the virus is lost)  and you are wrong on the preparation of
clotting factors which are "dried" in a special way which is a
rather good way to preserve viruses semipermanently.  These are
old Misc.Health.Aids arguments, it is too bad they need repeating
on other groups.


author: Gary Stein

subject: Re: Darby et al, NATURE, 1995

text:
"Runedaur" <[email]> wrote in message
news:8kilqp$4jg$[email]...
<snip>

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publications/hivaids/23.htm take a look for
your self that URL points you to a listing of all the major studies of
AZT.


author: Alan Barclay

subject: Re: Darby et al, NATURE, 1995

text:
In article <[email]>,
howard hershey  <[email]> wrote:

Actually, it was irrelevent in this case. The infected Factor VIII was
mainly US produced, so it was the US population which was significant
in infecting British haemophiliacs, not the British population.


author: Nick Bennett

subject: Re: Darby et al, NATURE, 1995

text:
On 12 Jul 2000, howard hershey wrote:

Homosexuals.  There are a couple of large, seriously affected pockets of
drug users in London, Glasgow, now Edinburgh I think as well, among others
no doubt, but the main spread was through homosexuals.

In Spain it's different, their epidemic is largely in drug users, but I
don't know how that's affected their blood transmission rate for example.

Bennett


author: stockjock-e

subject: Free Chat Forum

text:
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Looking forward to meeting you there!

Regards
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author: Alexander Lerman

subject: TOKEN-RING Card for HP LaserJet 4, $95

text:
TOKEN-RING Card for HP LaserJet 4, $95

This is the better JETDIRECT card capable of 16Mbps (as well as 4Mbps). This
card retails for $695. I have no use for it, so I'll let it go for the first
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author: Alan Brooks

subject: Halleluja, MWSM!!

text:
Have MWSM working enough that my posts are coming through.  This took
tracing of rnews activity, and a great deal of help from dedicated Panix
regulars.

Somewhere out there, I'm owing huge numbers of pints of Guinness for all
the help I'm getting...

Anyway, anyone who has been able to post to MWSM but whose posts haven't
been coming through, please try again and let me know if you can or
can't get in.

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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author: Jay Bala

subject: Re: Halleluja, MWSM!!

text:
AOL doesn't seem to pick it up. May be give it a bit more time?

Regards,
Jay Bala.
P.S. In the future please use:
[[email]]


author: Bluesea

subject: Re: Halleluja, MWSM!!

text:
"Alan Brooks" <[email]> wrote in message
news:crsj1t$ile$[email]...

Sorry, I forgot to report back here...I'm good, I'm in, I'm a happy camper.

Thanks to you and the others.


author: happy chappy

subject: evidence of undergoing medicals

text:
I got an email from DIMIA to do my medicals which is ok as I have
booked them for Wed the 3rd. They sent me a returnable cover sheet to
send with my police checks and it has a box to tick saying evidence of
undergoing medicals.

Is it ok to send the police checks before doing the medicals as I have
no receipt to say the medicals are booked. I guess it doesn't matter but
just checking.
Thanks for any replies.
Dave


author: Bookie

subject: Re: evidence of undergoing medicals

text:
I asked my agent about this. They said just to fax them a copy of the
medical bill when they had been done, which I presume they sent to
DIMIA. Not sure what to do if you haven't got an agent.


author: markrj

subject: Re: evidence of undergoing medicals

text:
Funnily enough we are in a similar position on a 139.  Because the
DIMIA are very picky, we decided to do everything requested and sent it
all together.  We completed our medicals (which were courier directly
from the health centre to LCU before being forwarded to DIMIA) and our
police checks.  I asked my CO about "evidence of undergoing medicals"
as we completed ours and they were finalised by LCU.  He confirmed that
DIMIA had received the health clearances and no action was required on
this item.

We will probably amend the checklist stating medicals completed and
receipt confirmed by DIMIA.

Hope this helps.


author: soonbethere

subject: Re: evidence of undergoing medicals

text:
Hi we got that form with the email that was forwarded on through our
agent, we took it along to the medical with us, but the receptionist
just shrugged her shoulders and said she didn't know why they would
need it, we agreed and just left it in the Ozzy file that we have
here at home.

Why would the DIMIA need evidence of the medical being done as long as
its been done within the timescale thats written on the request letter ?

Should we have sent that onto our agent with the reciepts? She never
asked, she just said phone up and ask the Dr's when they are being sent
and she will chase it up about a week later to check they have the
results???


subject: Re: evidence of undergoing medicals

text:
Thanks for your input.

So are you saying you took your police checks with you when you had
medicals done and they sent them all together?

It sounds like the easier thing to do as you know they are together,
although if things go astray it's more hassle to get them replaced.


subject: Re: evidence of undergoing medicals

text:
I am going to send the form off with my police checks tomorrow and have
just written next to the box that says "evidence of undergoing medicals"
that they are being done next week.

Like you say as long as they get them why does it matter?

Cheers
Dave


subject: Re: evidence of undergoing medicals

text:
We sent off for police checks and booked medicals at same time.  After
our medicals were completed, we received the police check certificates.

For a 139, the medical results are sent by the health centre - the
applicant does not do this.  We just have to return the police check
certificates and some other info DIMIA requested. Hope this helps.


subject: Re: evidence of undergoing medicals

text:
When we sent our police checks we just sent a copy of the receipt from
the health centre as our proof, and asked our case officer to confirm
that he had received the medicals, and heard no more about it.

Angie(and mark)


subject: Re: evidence of undergoing medicals

text:
Thanks for that. I can't wait to get the medicals done and out of
the way now.


subject: Loosely based or Rip-off?

text:
Got sort of an interesting question. Lets say I have an idea for a movie
along of the vein of "Strangers on a Train" but in my version they're
"Strangers on a Ferris Wheel". Same setup but different execution, would
I be okay legally? When exactly do you cross the line?


author: Richard Milton

subject: Re: Loosely based or Rip-off?

text:
Keop7 wrote

I appreciate that your example is probably just that, but you're
barking up the wrong trouser leg.  The whole point of Patricia
Highsmith's story is not what mode of transport they are riding
on but what they are planning.  So moving it to a cuckoo clock
factory in Outer Mongolia wouldn't make the slightest difference.
Anyone would recognise your source immediately you mentioned
swapping murders.

The problem you're flirting with isn't so much legal shit, it's the
problem that anyone reading your script will recognise your
source and put it straight in the bin.

Richard


author: wcmartell

subject: Re: Loosely based or Rip-off?

text:
[email] (Dlehmicke) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Which is a comedy about a couple of guys who have seen STRANGERS ON A
TRAIN. It isn't a rip-off, it acknowledges the original.

As someone who has a "rip-off" script of STRANGERS, what I did was
change the way the story worked by having a GROUP of women joke about
murdering their ex-husbands... and when the exs begin dying we have no
idea which one of the group took the joke seriously. There were
several other plot twists that I added - including a couple of major
ones that really take the story in a different direction... and no
scene where an important item falls into a storm drain (lighter in
STRANGERS, something else in MINORITY REPORT). No out of control
merry-go-round, either.

My rule for "rip-offs" - if you steal one thing you have to change
everything else.

- Bill
http://www.scriptsecrets.net


subject: Re: Loosely based or Rip-off?

text:
"Dlehmicke" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I should have added, "unless you make it yourself"

Richard


author: Crystal Dreamer

subject: Heard the heartbeat!

text:
Yesterday morning I got out my doppler and tried to find the baby's
heartbeat.  Much to my surprise, I did find it!  I'm only 10 weeks, so I
really wasn't expecting to.  It was 172 bpm.... so we're hoping the old
wives' tale will pull through for us!


author: Ilse Witch

subject: Re: Heard the heartbeat!

text:
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:35:23 -0600, Crystal Dreamer wrote:

That is so cool...!


author: Joybelle

subject: Re: Heard the heartbeat!

text:
"Crystal Dreamer" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

How cool!


author: Anne Rogers

subject: Re: Heard the heartbeat!

text:
ooh, how exciting, now give the doppler to a neighbour so you don't use it
everyday!

Anne


author: Harv

subject: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
I need some opinions on unsolicted e-mails. These are not "spammed"
messages. They will be sent to a target list of potential customers
within our industry. The messages will include a teaser line or two
with a link to a slide presentation on our web site. I should mention
that our company has been around for 21 years and is well known
throughout the industry.

Do you think these will be any more effective than the usual spam
e-mail? Or, because it is being sent to specific companies, we will
have a better than usual response?

Any and all help will be appreciated. Thanks!

Harv
Lyndhurst, Ohio


author: James Logajan

subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
Harv <[email]> wrote:

First, you may not think it is spam, but you are not the unwitting
recipient. People can't see your sincerity, all they can see is yet another
e-mail trying to sell them something. If your intent is to tarnish your
reputation, then yes, it should be just as effective as spam.

Obviously I think it is a bad idea. However, if you have accurate names and
titles of your targets and you know they are in the correct decision making
position, then carefully individualized e-mails _may_ pass muster. But the
e-mails should have "From" return addresses that are individuals in your
company who will respond to queries or complaints. Nothing is worse the
reply addresses that are generic "sales @ somecorp.com"

My advice is to tread very very carefully here.


author: Mike Turco

subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
Spam is unsolicited mail with a purpose behind it. Whether you are selling a
product, a service or a religion, it doesn't matter. Spam is spam and that's
what you are describing.

Consider establishing a newsletter that will be of interest to your target
audience. Try to encourage people to sign-up for the newsletter by including
a tag line at the bottom of each email going out from your company. You can
also advertise the newsletter on your website and on your printed materials.
I don't think that will offend anybody. If the newsletter is great and meets
the interests and needs of your customers then you will grow a nice, fat
mailing list.

The biggest mistake you can make, though, is to turn that mailing into an
advertisement. Think of it as PR as opposed to a sales opportunity.

Good Luck!

Mike


author: James Childers

subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
Unsolicited email IS spam.  The only real approved method of email marketing
is "Opt-In" email lists.  This way the recipient knows what they will be
receiving and have agreed to accept it.

Corporate America is especially sensitive to SPAM, and what's worse is they
have the money to sue you for damages.  Remember the theory of "deeper
pockets".  They have many more resources than you do.


subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
James Wrote:

James,

Your points are well taken. We were planning to send them using an
individual's name and then include the sender's name, title, company
name, web site link, etc. as a signature at the end of the e-mail.
This way it would appear to be personally sent.

Our biggest obstacle has been obtaining the decision maker's e-mail
address. But, despite that, we are hoping to get a better than average
response.

Any more thoughts out there? Thanks again.

Harv
Lyndhurst, Ohio


author: Tore Voldbekk

subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
"Harv" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
and
making
the

Still, this is the same as spam. Ok, some fewer receivers will probably
report to the abuse department, but a lot will. I wouldn't think twice. And,
if it is a company that I would likely be doing business with, I would
remember to skip them the next time. Ok, I am maybe a little harsher
regarding to spam than most, but I don't think this is even remotely a smart
idea. Rather call them or send them a snail mail letter. Email spamming
gives a very unprofessional image.


author: Eric Handbury

subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
In article <[email]>, "Tore Voldbekk"
<[email]> wrote:

  Can you explain the difference (in terms of spamming) between sending
an e-mail and sending a snail mail letter?

  Eric.


subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
"Eric Handbury" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Anyone can send away 100 fast emails. You have no idea if the guy runs the
company from a prison or if it is a serious company. And since the email is
so fast to send out, and doesn't cost anything, one assumes that it is some
junk they send to everyone. Also, since 99% of all the junkmail is
worthless, one assumes that all of it is. I don't get 100 snailmails a week
saying that I can be a millionaire by next friday just watching TV and eat
popcorn.

 Also a snailmail has actually costed the person something, but it doesn't
cost me anything. Email is the opposite. It costs me something. First of all
it costs me time. Second of all, I get a lot of my emails through my cell
phone, so there is costs involved. And, since my computer makes a noice
everytime I get a new message, I have to look. Then I have to change program
from what I am currently using, and look at the email. If it is spam, I just
lost consentration and time.

And, then it is the annoiance factor. Letters goes just in the green
archieve besides my desk, while email goes to abuse. I as many others really
hate spam mails regardless, and it will be the best way to get me of the
customer list.

So, if someone are planning to use spammails as a way to promote their
company, please let me know in advance. I would like to short stocks in the
company if possible. I think it is a very nice way to shoot oneself in the
foot.


author: leh

subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
"Eric Handbury" <[email]> skribis:

Some people pay for internet access, for example time or downloaded data.
But almost (?) noone pay for incoming snail mail.

Pozdrawiam, Leh.


author: Diamond

subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
Hi,
In e business as you may call it. Spamming is just like force entry into
a house. In this case your email box/address. I believe that no ones
wants that, force entry.
But you could use opt in email if you are interested in ebusines.

Diamond

Eric Handbury wrote:


subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
In article <[email]>, "Tore Voldbekk"
<[email]> wrote:

  This is becoming a spam vs. no-spam argument, but it may have value to
people who are deciding on whether to do it or not.

  Well, I don't know... I get tons of junkmail and its all junk (except
for the pizza coupons <g>, (which BTW I can get on the net so even they
are junk now)). Not to mention the huge social and environmental cost of
all this junk mail. Emails are just bits... infinitely renewable.

  But e-mails cost the least of all the unsolicited methods. You
advocated calling the prospective client... how much does this cost the
client? It costs big-time. The fact that I disrupt him/her from their
work to talk about my latest gizmo is an incredible productivity-drainer.
Of all the unsolicited methods, I detest cold calls. Because, as you
said, most of stuff people selling me is junk to me. I'm getting alot of
cold calls now that its Christmas-time from agencies asking for
donations, and it just destroys 10 minutes of my time. All I do with junk
e-mails is look at the subject... delete... look at subject... delete. It
takes less than a second each. No productivity-drain since I'm looking at
e-mails anyway.
  Spam mail takes alot more time, as well. Opening the letter, looking at
the pages, and tossing it. Again, e-mails are far less intrusive.

  You have to use filters for your e-mails, especially on the mobile.

  So do you remove the spam mailers from your supplier list like you
remove the spam e-mailers? Seems like a double standard if you don't.
  My annoyance factor is based on the level of intrusiveness, and the
highest is cold calls, then mail, and last, emails.
  This resistance to spam emails is due to people (geeks, mostly) who
believe that the Net should be this wild, untamed, non-commercial
frontier where they can play their Quake multi-user games, swap their
jpeg's of the Hubble space-telescopes latest pictures (oh, and their
favourite porn), and ICQ chat without the interference from big
business. Well, I got news for you... the Internet is the way it is
because business got involved, and all future innovations will be because
they have a business case. period...

  I think a well thought-out email campaign where you try to personalize
the emails, and target your emails to the appropriate target audience is
the least intrusive way of getting your message out there. When someone
calls me, I say 'please send me an email and I'll call you if I'm
interested'. Because emails take the least time and I've got all the info
(including the mandatory URL) if I want to delve deeper. Otherwise...
delete.
  I don't understand this backlash about spam emails. I don't blacklist
Chrysler because they just interrupted my favourite TV program with their
60 second junk car ad.

  My $0.02.   Eric.


author: Kev Martin

subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
One has to wonder how much paper from how many trees gets destroyed
each year/month/day for the pupose of snail mail spam.

Regards,

kev (scapes)

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author: Gary Weiner

subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
Eric Handbury wrote:

<SNIPPED>

The arguments you've made are certainly valid. Yes, one e-mail
solicitation is much less intrusive than one telemarketing call or even
one piece of direct mail.

The problem is you don't get just one e-mail solicitation. I must get
around 50 e-mail solicitations for every piece of physical junk mail,
and the only reason this number is so low(!) is because there is still
some stigma attached to sending SPAM.

Sending direct mail can cost anywhere from 30 cents for a cheap postcard
to several dollars for a very involved piece. Telemarketing calls also
cost a certain amount of money per solicitation. But e-mail is
essentially free. Where a telemarketer or direct mailer may only attempt
to contact "decision makers" in your organization, spammers can and will
send one to every e-mail address they have in your company. And not only
that, they can and will send you a new e-mail every week or day or hour
until they get their point across, because there's no additional cost.

The big resistance to unsolicited commercial e-mail (SPAM) is because
the potential for the pollution of this vital communication medium. If
everybody with something to sell sends out an e-mail solicitation, your
e-mail box will be so choked with junk, it will be impossible to use it.

Yes, but for most spammers, targeting their audience is a waste of time.
Why not e-mail everyone they can find, since the cost (for them) of
sending out 2 million extra e-mails is almost zero.

Generally, people aren't interested in sorting out the "good spammers"
from the "bad spammers".

In the case of the TV ad, Chrysler is helping to subsidize the cost of
the TV show you're watching. In the case of direct mail or
telemarketers, at least the people sending them out are paying for that
cost. Spammers advertise and the cost is paid by everyone else on the
network.


subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
"Eric Handbury" <[email]> skribis:

Nothing ?

Hang up immediately - that's all.

And if you get's 100 of them a day ?

Nope.

Stop using eristic tricks. it does't work on intelligent people.

Internet is fredo of choice. You can use it to make busness, bot you have
no right to make other people do it.

Ha ha.

Most of spam is opposite.

How many spams do you get daily ?

I just turn off sound and do something else than wathing it.

Pozdrawiam, Leh.


author: Chris

subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
There is this a site that is moving direct mailers from paper mail to
on-line mail, however they don't send it to your email account.
Instead to deliver it to an account they set up for you and they pay
you cash to receive offers.  They have some interesting data on how
paper mail hurts the environment.

Site:
http://www.greenmail.com

Data on environment:
http://www.greenmail.com/ctour0.asp?go=/environment.asp

Kev Martin <[email]> wrote in message
news:<[email]>...

[Additional quoted material eliminated. -George Demmer, Co-moderator]


subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
Kev Martin <[email]> skribis:

Yes, snail mail spam is bad.

Pozdrawiam, Leh.


subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)-The Last Word?

text:
To All:

Thanks for the great input. I?ll be sure to pass the information on to
my higher-ups before we actually go through with the plan. Frankly,
I?m starting to feel like the puppy that got caught chewing his
master?s slippers. It probably wasn?t such a great idea to begin with.

However, allow me to be the devil?s advocate for a few minutes?

As marketing professionals we see nothing wrong in sending hundreds or
thousands of flyers, brochures, post cards, or envelope stuffers to
potential clients. We also see nothing wrong in making cold calls via
the phone to unsuspecting business people. And, we do this knowing
that the response rate will only be in the 1% - 2% range.

But (a big ?but? here), as soon as we try to accomplish the same
through the Internet it?s labeled ?spam? and we are slapped on the
wrist for even thinking about it. Our plan was never to blanket the
Internet with millions of messages. Rather, it was to send a mesaage
to legitimate potential clients within our industry. If they felt the
e-mail was intrusive, all they had to do is hit the delete button. My
only concern was whether or not, based on our methods, we would
experience a better responce rate than the every day "spam" all of us
receive.

Maybe we should start a new thread on the differences between Internet
and traditional marketing techniques. Or, maybe start a discussion on
how we, as marketing professionals, can utilize the Internet to
achieve the same objectives.

Thanks again and have a good holiday season!

Harv
Lyndhurst, Ohio

[ Moderator's hint: How many unsolicited commercial e-mails (UCEs, the
  alternate name for spam) are people getting from fortune 500 firms?
  How many do you get from firms you recognize as being legitimate?
  Do you think they have done research into the risk and costs versus the
  payoff?  -JimL ]


author: DNAGCAT

subject: Re: Unsolicited E-Mail (Not Spam)

text:
I got a great email from a friend that stated when you get junk mail with
no-postage required envelopes...mix them all up and send them back to the
advertisers

....see how they feel getting a bunch of junkmail

One example is to send the pizza coupons to credit card companies...Im sure
they would start getting the hint!

Lance Ramoth
MONEY...For Internet Entrepreneurs
www.money.150m.com


text:
"Harv" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Another big problem is coming up. I read in the newspaper today that a guy
in Washington sued for spammers and received 2000 dollar in compensation.
The reason was because they broke Washington law by sending spam without
proper return adresses. I guess that is not what you plan in your campaign,
but real valid info in the email makes it so much easier for me and others
to close down your account. Finally its also coming to USA. Norway as well
as others already have 'strict' laws against spam. EU will get theirs up
shortly. And if spamvictims also successfully can sue in America, spammers
are hopefully aproaching a dark future.


text:
In article <[email]>, "Tore Voldbekk"
<[email]> wrote:

  I'm sure everyone (including spammers) are in favour of regulations
regarding the sending of unsolicited e-mails. It is done with every other
medium (for example, in Canada unsolicited faxes must be sent 9AM-9PM,
must include a phone# at the bottom for fax-list removal, etc.).
  Regulation would delineate the boundaries that constitute 'spam'. So
the company who is considering a targeted, personalized e-mail campaign
would not be subject to abuse from self-appointed spam-police!

  Of course, one problem with this is the differences in the regulations
between countries. But most legitimate e-mail campaigns are
intranational, anyway.

  Eric.


author: Jinxie

subject: Oops!  Sorry!  was: Re: MKP Due Date Calendar - 11/16/03

text:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:35:02 -0800, DeliciousTruffles
<[email]> wrote:

<snipped>

*-*November 16, 2003 Jinxie expecting a boy DUE TODAY!!!!

Sorry Truffles! :o)

Joseph Kieran Singh ***  born November 6th @ 5:23 pm.  Feet first
c-section.  7lbs. 12oz.  20 1/2 inches long.  Sorry thought I posted
it already.  :o)   Apgars 8 & 9 respectively.  Eating well.  Mild to
severe panic attack during section for me.  It was very odd, but i'm
doing fine now & no pain at all.  Walking everyday & thinking I
appreciate this whole experience a lot more now than I did with my
other two in my early twenties.  Amazing little thing he is.

Some pics

http://brandence.com/josephki/

<snipped>

Jinxie / Brandy

Jessica Rae (Jessie) 22-June-86
Russell John (CJ) 08-Feb-89
Joseph Kieran (Ki) 06-Nov-03
also assorted kids of the four-footed variety


author: Katie

subject: Re: Oops!  Sorry!  was: Re: MKP Due Date Calendar - 11/16/03

text:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:46:42 GMT, Jinxie
<[email]> asserted:

Congratulations!!  And that's a great name, too...

Katie
Mom to Joseph (Joey) born Nov 7/03
Real email: sphyrapicusathotmaildotcom


author: Daye

text:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:46:42 GMT, Jinxie
<[email]> wrote:

Congrats!!


author: Coccinella

text:
Congratulations Brandy and welcome to Joseph!
He is soooo cute!
Glad to hear you are doing fine now.
Love


author: Kat

text:
Congrats on your new baby!  Enjoy!
Kat
Mama to Maggie 11/03/01
and #2 EDD 02/01/04

"Jinxie" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: DeliciousTruffles

text:
Jinxie wrote:

Must have been a server hiccup.  :-)

Congratulations, Brandy!

Welcome to the world, little Joseph  :-)


author: Linz

text:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:46:42 GMT, Jinxie
<[email]> wrote:

Congrats! He's really dinky, isn't he - he looks smaller than Jack did
when he was born, and Jack was 7lb 7!


text:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:58:36 -0800, DeliciousTruffles
<[email]> wrote:

*-*Jinxie wrote:
*-*
*-*> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:35:02 -0800, DeliciousTruffles
*-*> <[email]> wrote:
*-*>
*-*> <snipped>
*-*>
*-*> *-*November 16, 2003 Jinxie expecting a boy DUE TODAY!!!!
*-*>
*-*> Sorry Truffles! :o)
*-*>
*-*> Joseph Kieran Singh ***  born November 6th @ 5:23 pm.  Feet first
*-*> c-section.  7lbs. 12oz.  20 1/2 inches long.  Sorry thought I
posted
*-*> it already.  :o)
*-*
*-*Must have been a server hiccup.  :-)
*-*
*-*Congratulations, Brandy!
*-*
*-*Welcome to the world, little Joseph  :-)

Nope was a "me" hiccup!  I put it under "External Version" when
answering a post from Usenet Fan! Oops! lol  I think I was tired. :o)

Thanks all!  We're really enjoying him. :o)

Hospital Web Nursery Link:
http://www.growingfamily.com/webnursery/babypage_view.asp?URLID=4C8I9E4M6Q

Jinxie


text:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:16:05 +0000, Linz
<[email]> wrote:

*-*On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:46:42 GMT, Jinxie
*-*<[email]> wrote:
*-*
*-*>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:35:02 -0800, DeliciousTruffles
*-*><[email]> wrote:
*-*>
*-*><snipped>
*-*>
*-*>*-*November 16, 2003 Jinxie expecting a boy DUE TODAY!!!!
*-*>
*-*>Sorry Truffles! :o)
*-*>
*-*>Joseph Kieran Singh ***  born November 6th @ 5:23 pm.  Feet first
*-*>c-section.  7lbs. 12oz.  20 1/2 inches long.
*-*
*-*Congrats! He's really dinky, isn't he - he looks smaller than Jack
did
*-*when he was born, and Jack was 7lb 7!

He is very small boned when compared to the rest of my side of the
family.  We're pretty muscular / broad shouldered people especially
the females. lol   He lost the 12oz. before we left the hospital, but
seems to be putting it back on now. :o)

Jinxie


author: The Sector Investor

subject: Fidelity Select Fund rankings for w/e 11/27/98

text:
Here are the one week returns for w/e 11/27/98.  For 2,4,13,26,and 52 week
returns and more FREE information on investing in sector mutual funds,
including advisor reviews, book reviews, some simple to implement systems
you can do on your own, and other links/ reading go to:

NEW: Now includes news links on funds and investing.

The Sector Investor
http://members.aol.com/sectorinv/

Fund Name                   Symbol        1 wk
Air Trans                   FSAIX         4.4%
Automotive                  FSAVX         0.9%
Electronics                 FSELX         3.3%
Energy Serv                 FSESX         -7.9%
Health Care                 FSPHX         1.4%
Home Finance                FSVLX         1.5%
Prec Metals                 FDPMX         -3.1%
Consumer Industries         FSCPX         1.1%
Food and Agriculture        FDFAX         0.0%
Leisure                     FDLSX         3.5%
Multimedia                  FBMPX         1.7%
Medical Delivery            FSHCX         1.1%
Industrial Material         FSDPX         1.1%
Regional Banks              FSRBX         0.4%
Defense and Aerospace       FSDAX         1.0%
Insurance                   FSPCX         2.4%
Chemical                    FSCHX         2.3%
Construction & Housing      FSHOX         2.6%
Industrial Equipment        FSCGX         2.5%
Retailing                   FSRPX         2.9%
Paper & Forest Products     FSPFX         2.5%
Transportation              FSRFX         3.9%
Brokerage & Inv             FSLBX         6.9%
Financial Services          FIDSX         2.8%
Biotechnology               FBIOX         0.2%
Gold                        FSAGX         -2.9%
Energy                      FSENX         -0.9%
Computer                    FDCPX         5.0%
Dev Communications          FSDCX         5.0%
Software & Computers        FSCSX         5.2%
Technology                  FSPTX         5.5%
Natural Gas                 FSNGX         -2.8%
Telecommunications          FSTCX         2.4%
Utilities Growth            FSUTX         1.9%


author: Seth Jackson

subject: Re: Tax exemptions

text:
[email] (David Lloyd-Jones) wrote:

You seem to be consistently neglecting the fact that DCA is most often
recommended and used with mutual funds, not individual stocks. That
fact nullifies your whole argument.


author: Jozef

subject: Turn 21 during I-485 processing

text:
Can anyone tell me what the consequences are when a child turns 21 while
her I-485 (based on an I-130 from one of the parents) is being processed?

Thanks,

Jozef


author: lairdside

subject: Re: Turn 21 during I-485 processing

text:
For I-130's if the petitioner is a USC I believe that they would be
fine. They are protected by the Child Status Protection Act (CSPA). For
LPR's there is a formula. You can find info here :

http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/howdoi/agingout.htm

]http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/lawsregs/handbook/CSPA092002_p-
ub.pdf[/url]

My understanding is that it's all based around the I-130 and the age
issue is related to that rather than the I-485. Except that dependants
of LPR's have to apply for AOS within 1 year of visa availability.

In other words I don't think the I-485 is affected by her age.

Hope this helps :)


subject: Re: Turn 21 during I-485 processing

text:
Thanks, it did! 'Age out' is the term I needed..

I found that the following article explains this issue best:

http://www.shrmglobal.org/function/immigration/fd073102b.htm

Jozef


subject: V. O.

text:
I was wondering about narration and the different types I could use in my
script. All I could come up with is this:

3rd person: The narrator (not a character) details the story.

1st person: A character is narrating the story in the past tense. Goodfellas

Group: Many people provide their own accounts in their narration. I'm thinking
of an early 80's /late 70's movie that I can't name.

I was tempted to throw in other more specific examples but I think they are
just good narration in general and not types. Name some movies that you think
have made excellent use of narration or some other types of narration that I'm
missing.
Movies that quickly come to mind are:

Goodfellas (the best IMHO)
Blade Runner (Everyone disagrees but I like the narrated version more)
AI (Ben Kingsley's voice was the best part of the flick IMHO)
Barry London (also good use of 3rd person and my fav underrated Kubrick film)
Rasing Arizona (Hilarious)
etc., etc., etc. I know mine I wanna read yours . . .

Peace,

Tony B.


author: Ameer

subject: Re: V. O.

text:
There's also 2nd person narration, as in: "You wake up in a cold sweat
and realize you were dreaming of your father. You reach over to
retrieve your glasses and look around the room." etc. Only example of
this that I can think of is in Europa (Zentropa), by Lars von Trier
(narration by Max von Sydow):

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0101829

It's a really weird kind of narration. Very creepy. Check that movie
out, it's pretty good.

Royal Tennenbaums has good 3rd person narration. Alec Baldwin's voice
is awesome.


author: Hercule Platini

subject: Re: V. O.

text:
TonyBoy74 <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I've always preferred this as well.  I think mainly because it's just better
that way, but partly because that's the version I always knew, so when I saw
the Director's Cut there was this overwhelming sense of something missing.
I'll actually go further and suggest that none of the changes in that
Director's Cut made the movie any better, but I don't want to start that
whole argument over again; I become embroiled every time it shows up in the
soundtracks newsgroup.


author: Peter Ketting

subject: Re: V. O.

text:
"TonyBoy74" wrote:

<snip>

are
think
I'm
film)

American Beauty.

Peter
(an observing screenwriter wannabe)


author: ªWrenº

subject: Re: V. O.

text:
ever seen "Casablanca"/ um, or was it "Key Largo"?.... some find
Hemingway's voice rather dry, but i like it. don't know if i answered
what you asked. hope so.


subject: Re: V. O.

text:
Peter Ketting <[email]> schreef in berichtnieuws
dHT%7.16835$[email]...
that

Casino.

Thessa


author: Keith Gillette

subject: WANTED: laptop computer

text:
I am in the market to purchase a lightweight laptop computer. I am looking for
something inexpensive and underpowered; something exteremely lightweight and
small.

Example models:	NEC UltraLight (original)
		Fujitsu Poqet PC
		ZEOS Pocket PC
		Toshiba T1000SE

If you have anything similar to these sample models that you are selling,
please contact me soon, as I'm planning on making a purchasing decision within
the next week. Here's a list of features to let you know if its worth your
while to contact me:

	8088/8086 microprocessor expected
	no harddrive or floppy necessary
	~1 meg main memory
	MS-DOS 3.3 or later

MOST IMPORTANTLY:

	< 5 lbs
	~8.5x11x1.5 inches

Thanks a lot! Hope to hear from somebody out there.

(=+=) Keith A. Gillette		[email]		(608)264-2343


author: Keith Kushner

subject: Re: WANTED: laptop computer

text:
[email] (Keith Gillette) writes:

: I am in the market to purchase a lightweight laptop computer. I am looking for
: something inexpensive and underpowered; something exteremely lightweight and
: small.
:
: Example models:	NEC UltraLight (original)
: 		Fujitsu Poqet PC
: 		ZEOS Pocket PC
: 		Toshiba T1000SE
:
:
: 	8088/8086 microprocessor expected
: 	no harddrive or floppy necessary
: 	~1 meg main memory
: 	MS-DOS 3.3 or later
: 	< 5 lbs
: 	~8.5x11x1.5 inches
:
JEM Computers, at 617-254-5500, is (or at least *was*, 2 months ago when
I ordered mine) selling refurbed Ultralites at $250 for the 1MB ramdisk
model, $300 for the 2MB ramdisk model, and $50 for the external floppy.
They come with internal modems, all cables and adapters, and DOS (3.?)
and Laplink in ROM, and would seem to fit all your qualifications except
for the 8088/8086 CPU: it uses a NEC V30.


author: Elizabeth Schwartz

subject: Re: WANTED: laptop computer

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Keith Kushner) writes:

They are up to $299 for the 1MB and $350 for the 2MB.
I am seriously thinking about buying one (have found a buyer for my
aging '286 desktop.) How is yours and how were your dealings with GEM?


subject: Re: WANTED: laptop computer

text:
[email] (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:

: They are up to $299 for the 1MB and $350 for the 2MB.
: I am seriously thinking about buying one (have found a buyer for my
: aging '286 desktop.) How is yours and how were your dealings with GEM?

The keyboard and screen are sub-par, otherwise it's fine. I *wish*
for an auto-resume feature like Toshibas have, though.  The disk drive
is redundant if one has another MSDOS machine, since Laplink works
fine. The battery is only good for an hour or two.

I had no problems with JEM, except I first called on a day when the
order-takers were off. The disk drive wasn't in stock but I received
it less than a week later.

Due to the keyboard and screen shortcomings I would not recommend it as
one's only computer. And the parallel printer port is part of the
external disk drive, which can be an annoyance. As an adjunct to a
desktop computer I find it adequate.


author: Tom Franklin

subject: FS: Windows NT 4.0 CD - $85

text:
Windows NT OEM 4.0 CD-ROM still in shrink wrap with manual.  Came with new
system, but I don't need it.

I will pay insured UPS shipping if pre-paid via certified funds, otherwise
shipping/insurance/COD charges will be added to price.


author: Edward Gibson

subject: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
This  is the best lawyer story of the year, decade, and probably
the century!

A Charlotte, NC, lawyer  purchased a box of very rare and
expensive cigars, then insured them against  fire among other
things.

Within a month having smoked his entire stockpile of these
great cigars and without  yet having made even his first
premium payment on the policy, the lawyer filed  a claim
against the insurance company. In his claim, the lawyer
stated the cigars were lost "in a series of small fires."

The insurance company  refused to pay, citing the obvious
reason: that the man had consumed the cigars in the normal
fashion. The lawyer sued .. and won!

In delivering the ruling, the judge agreed with the insurance
company that the claim was frivolous. The Judge stated,
nevertheless, that the lawyer held a  policy from the company
in which it had warranted that the cigars were insurable and
also guaranteed that it would insure them against fire, without
defining what is considered to be unacceptable fire, and was
obligated to pay  the claim. Rather than endure lengthy and costly
appeal process, the insurance company accepted the ruling and paid
$15,000 to the lawyer for his loss of the rare cigars lost in
the "fires."

NOW FOR THE BEST PART

After the lawyer cashed the check, the insurance company had him
arrested on 24  counts of ARSON! With his own insurance claim and
testimony from the previous case being used against him, the
lawyer was convicted of intentionally burning his insured
property and was sentenced to 24 months in jail and a $24,000 fine.

This is a true story and was the 1st place winner in the
recent Criminal Lawyers Award Contest.

ONLY IN AMERICA!
NO WONDER THE WORLD THINKS WE'RE NUTS!!


author: Bobby

subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
"Edward Gibson" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
<snip>

It's obviously an urban legend; What kind of insurance policy starts
coverage
before the first premium payment is made?


author: Billzz

subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
"Edward Gibson" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

A classic Urban Legend

http://www.snopes.com/crime/clever/cigarson.asp


author: Bill

subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
Edward Gibson wrote:

Thanks for posting this. I decided to do some exhaustive
research to see if this was real, and in all of 20 seconds I
discovered it was a hoax. I was going to say that you missed the
part about him being arrested for arson, but I saw when I came
back to the post that I had missed the last paragraph with that
info.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/clever/cigarson.asp


author: "no useful info"

subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
"Edward Gibson" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
I heard that story from a trustworthy friend of mine, so it's likely true.


author: Chloe

subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
"Bobby" <[email]> wrote in message
news:VNPYc.27726$bT1.9642@fed1read07...

It sounds like just a joke. But do you know what an insurance "binder" is?
It's a provision for temporary coverage and I believe may in some cases be
issued before the client pays the premium. I do think it's a safe bet that
if someone had a claim during a binder period they'd have to have paid the
premium before the claim would be paid.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
In article <UcVYc.797$[email]>,
 "Billzz" <[email]> wrote:

How come people love make up stories to bash America? What,
America--just like every other nation in the world--doesn't do enough
REAL stuff to make itself look stupid?

Really, no wonder everyone thinks everyone else is nuts.


author: Gordon Reeder

subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
Bill <[email]> wrote in news:[email]:

Just 'cause it didn't really happen doesn't mean it
isn't a good story.


author: N

subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
"no useful info" <not for you> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

LOL! Isn't that where all urban legend stories come from? ;-)


author: Robert Morein

subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
In article <[email]>,
 "no useful info" <not for you> wrote:

Is that the same friend who told you that Dihydrogen Monoxide would make
a perfect desktop?


subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
Gordon Reeder wrote:

So has this newsgroup now become the place to post fictional
stories AND requests for computer help?


author: Ben

subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
Robert Morein wrote:

My wife's best friend said it was true and she should know because she is a
hair dresser and owns a dog.

:-)


author: The Ranger

subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
This wasn't a good story, though, Gord.

So Bill R asked:

Which group? You've posted to two.

As far as mc-related topics, you missed: Republicrat Bashing, Democan
Bashing, Festively-Challenged Bashing, Obesely-Challenged Bashing, and
of course there's always the Years-long favorite Kerrbush Bashing.

The "Killfile-friendly" Ranger


author: Chuck

subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
"Bill" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
news:[email]:

Oh, my coffee cup holder has stopped coming out when I start my computer.
How do I get it to come back out?

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 8/27/2004


author: Joel M. Eichen

subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:19:30 GMT, Bill <[email]> wrote:

Why? Its very frugal. We paid nuttin' to read it!


subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
"Ben" <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...
true.
a

No, she is a dog and owns a hairdresser :).


author: The Real Bev

subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
Chuck wrote:

Stick a paperclip into the little hole in the front.  Automatic
operation is unreliable, so your system has automatically switched to
the safer manual system.

Don't thank me, we're here to help.


subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
Chuck wrote:

That is actually one of the best computer stories I've ever
heard (the version where the cup holder marked "4X" breaks). I
actually thought it was true, but it seems like it might be an
urban legend (although I found an old newsgroup posting which
said that a friend who worked tech support had gotten a similar
call after that story was already out).

Bill


subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
In article <[email]>,
 "no useful info" <not for you> wrote:

Your hairdresser is a dog?


subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
"The Real Bev" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
computer.

Thanks for the help...

Once I had my coffee sitting in the holder while I was looking at porn, and
the coffee cup holder just sucked itself right into the computer. Made a
mess of my coffee when it spilled all over my printouts on the computer
desk...

:)

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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 8/28/2004


subject: Re: OT-True or Urban legend?

text:
Robert Morein wrote:

Each to their own...

(I wasn't a dog last time I looked btw.)


author: Walter Cohen

subject: Smoked microwave

text:
My wife left a potato in the microwave for what would have probably been 45
minutes, if I let it.  The potato clearly caught fire.  By the time I heard
the smoke alarm go off and rushed in, the kitchen was full of smoke and the
microwave was still on.
After shutting off the oven and opening the door (no more flames at this
point) I surmised that there was probably a minimal flame/fire and more
smoke than anything else.

I cleaned the inside pretty well and you can't see any visible damage.
Trouble is the inside of the oven smells of smoke.

I can still use the oven as it appears not to be damaged and it cooks food
ok, still.  Question: is there something I can do to get rid of the smell?
Like some sort of home-brewed concoction that I could leave in the oven
while it boiled and fumigated/deodorized the inside?  Any commercial
products?  Baking soda?

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Walter


author: Tracey

subject: Re: Smoked microwave

text:
"Walter Cohen" <[email]> wrote in message
news:gwoYe.9733$[email]...> I can still use the oven as it appears
not to be damaged and it cooks food

I'd start with a bowl of plain white vinegar.  Put it in there, close the
door and leave it for a while.


author: Tim Fischer

subject: Re: Smoked microwave

text:
It will eventually air out.  In the meantime, the smoke has covered the
internal fan, etc. so it's going to take a bit.

Not sure about any magic formulas, but I'd probably try putting a glass of
water in there, and putting the microwave on the lowest power setting for
about 60 minutes.  This will run the fan, provide little, if any, heat, and
hopefully air it out.

Good Luck,
-Tim


author: Richard J Kinch

subject: Re: Smoked microwave

text:
Walter Cohen writes:

A new unit? What are they, about $50 nowadays?


author: Art Todesco

subject: Re: Smoked microwave

text:
Been there, done that.  I tried vinegar
and water, boiling it.  Nothing helped
but time.
Actually, on my oven, the "flame sensor"
popped .... actually after I shut if
off.  This
is a fusable link on the top of the
oven.  The heat finally caused it to
open.  New sensor,
and it's good as new.  The smell finally
went away after a few weeks.  This oven has
very poor air circulation compared to
other units I have owned, so it took a
relatively
long time.

Walter Cohen wrote:


author: Stormin Mormon

subject: Re: Smoked microwave

text:
How long should the original poster run the microwave with the bowl of
vinegar in there? Would 45 minutes be adequate?


subject: Re: Smoked microwave

text:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:27:08 -0500, "Tim Fischer"
<[email]> wrote:

We had a microwave at work in which someone left a bag of popcorn for
almost half an hour...the smell never completely left it.  The plastic
inside is porous and there's usually grease and such way up in the
vents that will absorb a lot of the odr-causing particles.

We finally just ditched the silly thing when it still stank miestly a
year later.  Microwave ovens are cheap.

(I do miss my Samsung, bought in 1976 or so, it was still going strong
in 2003 when we finally gave it to Salvation Army....was all stainles
steel inside except for the fang rille and light fixture in the top.)

JIm P.


subject: Re: Smoked microwave

text:
"Richard J Kinch" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns96D8F2B56E98Csomeconundrum@216.196.97.131...

Seems wasteful, inefficient for such a minor issue.

And a decent microwave is far higher than $50.

-Tim


author: Mortimer Schnerd, RN

subject: Re: Smoked microwave

text:
Richard J Kinch wrote:

The GE Spacesaver I installed over my stove last month ran about $450.


subject: Re: Smoked microwave

text:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:23:43 -0700, in misc.consumers.house [email]
wrote:

I still have my 1975 microwave it's only 500 wats but it's so simple that a 5
year old can use it.  Yes the sides are metal, also the door latch is metal.


author: Nike

subject: Going Off Milk...Help...

text:
Hi there, my baby only 19weeks, and he already going off his milk :( I'm
really worried. He lost his week about 3ounces in a week, and he only had
about 20ounces milk the most these few days. Today is worst, he only take
about 7ounces. I start giving him baby rice as the health visitor recommend.
He took it, but what's about the milk? I thought he supposed still drinking
his milk. Anybody else going through the same problem like me? I really want
to know what's wrong with him....


author: Cathy

subject: Re: Going Off Milk...Help...

text:
Nike wrote:

When my daughter was quite young, I can't quite remember how old, she was
down to four feeds a day.  I breast fed, so I have no idea of quantities,
but I can remember other people saying that their babies of similar age were
having 8-9 feeds per day.  I tried to 'force' DD to have more feeds, but she
wouldn't take them.  And then after a while she picked up again, and went
back up to 6 feeds.  I was told that she wasn't going to starve herself, and
I think she was teething at the time, which may have put her off for a
while.  But, she wasn't losing weight, so I wasn't too worried.  Sorry, not
really any advice - just an anecdote.  Actually, another thought - a
friend's baby strated refusing milk fairly early, and the only way she could
get him to have a bottle was to do it in bed.  And then he'd go to sleep.

Cathy


author: Ericka Kammerer

subject: Re: Going Off Milk...Help...

text:
Nike wrote:

	Maybe you need to wait on the rice cereal?  The
general recommendation is 4-6 months, with the preference
being on the later side (and many would say it's best to
wait until at least 6 months before introducing solids).
If you still want to feed rice cereal, do it *after*
feeding milk, and don't do large quantities.  I'd still
suggest stopping the cereal for now.  It sounds like it's
not agreeing with him if he's dropping his milk consumption
so dramatically that he's losing weight.

Best wishes,
Ericka


author: Tori M.

subject: Re: Going Off Milk...Help...

text:
"Ericka Kammerer" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
had
take
recommend.
drinking
want

maybe I am reading this wrong but I was thinking they started giving the
cereal because he was going off the milk, not the other way arround.  19
weeks would be about 4 months anyway.

Tori


author: liza claxton

subject: help I have a gifted child

text:
Hi, I'm in the UK and have just been told that my 6 yr old son is
gifted (as if I needed telling!!!) Is there anyone out there who can
offer some advice?


author: toto

subject: Re: help I have a gifted child

text:
On 22 Oct 2004 15:27:08 -0700, [email] (liza
claxton) wrote:

Gitfted children are still children.  Respect his feelings and
abilities, but remain his parent.

Make sure that he has all the materials to learn whatever he
wants to learn.  Put him in touch with mentors who are masters
in the subjects he is interested in, get him books even if they
seem to be too hard for him in *your* estimation.  Then stand
back and let him have his wings.


author: H Schinske

subject: Re: help I have a gifted child

text:
[email] wrote:

Check out http://www.hoagiesgifted.org .

--Helen


author: Jeff

subject: Re: help I have a gifted child

text:
"toto" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Good advice for anyone who cares about any child.

Jeff


author: Richard

subject: Debt I Don't Owe

text:
I once had an E-Z Pass account (this is a device that allows you in
some states to go through a toll and get charged automatically).
Whenever my balance ran low, my credit card was automatically charged.
In 2000, I gave it up, returned the device, and cancelled my account.
A few weeks later the associated credit card expired and I got a new
one, which automatically cancelled the arrangement between the
now-closed account and the credit card.

The transit authority agrees I turned in the device--there is no
dispute there. But they said I never cancelled my account, so they
kept adding weekly service charges (which I was aware of and paid when
I had the account). They could no longer charge it to the credit card,
so they just kept running it up. They never sent me a notice that they
were doing this--they said they did several times, but I never got it
(and they say they have my correct address).

If they sent this to me a month or so later, I'd owe a few bucks,
which would have annoyed me, but I may have paid it just to shut them
up. I had no motivation to ignore them.

But now, I hear from a debt collection agency after three years that I
owe over $500 in back service charges.

After three years, I no longer have proof I cancelled my account, and
I can't prove I never got their letters.

I really don't want to pay the $500. They said I could dispute this in
writing, but say it's unlikely to change their minds since I have no
proof. Do I have any choice other than going to court and swearing
that I cancelled the account? I have a terrific credit rating and
don't want it damaged

Any suggestions gratefully received.


author: Seth Breidbart

subject: Re: Debt I Don't Owe

text:
In article <[email]>,
Richard <[email]> wrote:

Did they explain how you could have an account without the device to
use?

Seth


author: Akbar Rqvst

subject: Re: Debt I Don't Owe

text:
On 4/15/03 10:14 PM, in article [email],
"Seth Breidbart" <[email]> wrote:

They are obviously claiming that returning the device is not tantamount to
closing the account.

1. Your credit rating cannot be "destroyed" by one rogue credit bureau.

2. You have to do some research on your own. Start with
http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/consumer.htm

3. Get aggressive with the credit bureau, telling them that (a) you owe
nothing, and (b) that you are claiming damages against them for fraudulent
pursuit of a spurious claim.

4. Without prejudice to your claim that you did close the account, demand
that they show you actual cases where they won on a claim that an account
left open when the transponder is returned gives rise to continued weekly
charges.

5. Get the names of everybody you speak to. Blizzard them with polite but
firm e-mails. Demand copies of the contract, the by-laws and anything else
that is relevant. Ask them how they can maintain their position with a
strait face. Contact the press.


subject: Re: Debt I Don't Owe

text:
[email] (Seth Breidbart) wrote in message
news:<[email]>...

I mentioned this, and they said it was irrelevant--the account was
never closed so it continued to accrue even if it went unused.

I consulted a lawyer, however, advised me to respond to the agency
with my explanation. He called their claim "ludicrous."


author: Brian ???

subject: WTB SCSI Hard Drive 250MB+

text:
I am looking for a 250+MB SCSI hard drive for my ps/2 model 50. I
would perfer an internal drive but if I can get a good deal on a
external, I would consider it.  I am looking for a good drive at a cheap
price and just need something reliable, not a high-buck screamer.
thanks
email [email]


author: Dean

subject: recent REIT drop

text:
anyone know what happened to reits on 12/31? i own about 5, and they
all got hammered...


author: WinickWatch

subject: Re: recent REIT drop

text:
"Dean" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

What?

-------------
Problems with Marvin Winick of Thornhill, Ont?  Funds that are supposed to
arrive "any day"?  Investments that are going nowhere?  Company what was
supposed to go public 4 years ago?  You are not alone.  Help is a click
away. - http://www.winickwatch.com


subject: Re: recent REIT drop

text:
sorry. what i asked was: "anyone know what happened to reits on 12/31?
i own about 5, and they all got hammered..."


author: Paul R. Erickson

subject: Re: VCDs for SALE

text:
On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:42:28 -0800, merson <[email]>
wrote:

Are these the licensed versions by Star, MeiAh, Universe, and Tai
Seng, or the HK/Taiwan pirate bootlegs that can be bought for $9 each?

Usually the pirate versions are visibly lower quality and/or mastered
off of laserdisc, which has visible loss on the screen..

If they are legit titles and not bootlegs, like from Star, with the
Star hologram (i.e. Jackie's VCD releases) then please send me a price
list. Thank you.

Also, what is shipping cost to the US from Singapore.. thanks.

    ________________________
    ____Paul R. Erickson____
__ARCLIGHT ENTERPRISES INC(DE)__
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
     Univ. of Texas/Austin
  Graduate School of Business
      MBA 1998  Marketing
       GBC Sports Chair

All that is required is that you should go as hard as ever you can.
 ..The rest belongs to fate."
      -Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.


author: [redacted]

subject: How to go about hiring a nanny?

text:
I'm a stay at home dad with a 2 yo and a 4 yo and looking to hire
someone to come in two days a week so I can work, but I have no clue as
to go about finding someone.

I placed an ad in the local paper, put ads online, but I've received no
response. Any suggestions?


author: Barbara

subject: Re: How to go about hiring a nanny?

text:
[email] wrote:
as
no

Where do the local nannies and sitters hang out?  Local parks,
playgrounds (indoor and out), pizza places, and book stores are all
pretty good bets.  So are preschools (where they are dropping off and
picking up kids), kids' activities, even the local supermarket.  Place
flyers at all of these places.  While you're at it, you and the kids
should hang out where the nannies do for a few weeks.  Pretty soon, you
will figure out who is good and who is, well, not so good.  Do NOT try
to steal the good nanny -- you will be reviled for life.  Do chat with
the good nannies and let them know that you are looking for someone.
They know who is looking for a job, and will generally recommend good
people.

Barbara


author: Me Again

subject: Re: How to go about hiring a nanny?

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Hi,
You might want to try posting ads in your local college(s).  Usually these
kids are looking to make a couple of bucks in between classes and
babysitting would work well for them.
Jackie M.


author: LadyCynthiaKay

subject: Re: How to go about hiring a nanny?

text:
There should be agencies in your area that could give you some names.
They do background checks and require references.   That would be how
I'd do it.  It seems the safest way.

Cynthia

http://mothersmuse.myblogsite.com


author: Donna

subject: Re: How to go about hiring a nanny?

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I just went through this process, myself.  I did the following:  posted on
craigslist, which brought in a few responses, and my husband asked around at
his workplace to see if anyone had a daughter who was looking for a part
time nanny job.  The two candidates whom I liked the best were found through
this route.  Our current nanny is a gem, and the daughter of one of my
husband's colleagues.

Hope that helps!

Donna


subject: Re: How to go about hiring a nanny?

text:
On 21 Feb 2005 12:10:38 -0800, [email] wrote:

Try a nanny agency.  There should be some in your telephone book.

Some online resources here:
These say they place nannies nationwide, so you may be able to
go through them.  Remember, however, that you need to interview
anyone you are entrusting with childcare yourself and screen them
carefully.

http://www.4nannies.com/

http://www.nanniesplus.com/

http://www.nannyassociation.com/


author: shinypenny

subject: Re: How to go about hiring a nanny?

text:
[email] wrote:
as
no

I "stole" mine from our health club babysitting service. I had been
going there for months, and from my observation, she was one of the
only sitters who got down on the floor and interacted with the
children, instead of sitting there chatting with the rest of the staff
or looking bored. Kids already knew and loved her, too.

It was easy - I just approached her one day and asked if she'd like to
come to work just for me, asked her how much $ it would take, and she
happily accepted.

Later on, after I no longer needed someone full time, I had good luck
going through local colleges. Referrals work even better. Just keep
asking around.

I did not have any luck with nanny services. The ones in my area
catered to full-time positions only, charged a hefty fee, and IMO only
gave a false sense of confidence that they'd done all the screening. I
figured I would *still* do the same screening myself, so why pay a
service?

With that said, our first nannny ("Mary Poppins") is still working as a
nanny, and she has landed her last couple of jobs via services.

jen


author: Beth Kevles

subject: Re: How to go about hiring a nanny?

text:
Hi --

I might post flyers any place where parents congregate, such as at
pre-schools, daycares and local churches/synagogues, and see if anyone
is interested in a nanny SHARE.  Also check with local nanny agencies
and your local college or university.

--Beth Kevles
  [email]
  http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic
  Disclaimer:  Nothing in this message should be construed as medical
  advice.  Please consult with your own medical practicioner.

NOTE:  No email is read at my MIT address.  Use the AOL one if you would
like me to reply.


subject: Vet Fees for lost dog

text:
I live a ways out in the country in Texas near the Oklahoma
border.

This afternoon (Sunday) a large and very tame dog showed
up.  The area is not real crowded (about 70 people within
7 miles) and so far, noone knows who the dog belongs to.

The dog is urinating blood (or has blood in the urine)
and needs medical attention to determine the cause.  If
the cause is a bladder infection, the treatment would
probably just be antibiotics, but it could save the dog
from kidney failure.

The dog is a Great Pyrenees, my favorite dog breed.
For some reason, Great Pyrenees tend to show up on
their own around here.

My guess is that someone dumped him out there to get
rid of him rather than take him to the vet.  But he
could just be lost.

Ideally, the vet would recognize the dog, treat him,
return the dog to the owner, and collect directly
from him.  But I can't count on that.

The obvious question is what happens if I take him
to the vet for treatment and then the owner shows
up and wants him back after I've paid for the
treatment.
* Would the owner have to pay me back the cost of the
  vet fees and the treatment costs?
* Could I refuse to give the dog back until repaid?

Eric Johnson


author: Robert Bonomi

subject: Re: Vet Fees for lost dog

text:
In article <[email]>,
wej3715 <[email]> wrote:

Check with the county.  Are 'dog tags' -- i.e. 'registration',
and/or "rabies vaccination" tags, required?  If so, and this
dog does _not_ have same, then the animal is abandoned. THEN
you can establish 'clear title', by turning the dog in to the
'animal control' officer / "dog catcher", and then "adopting"
(for a fee) the dog from the 'dog pound'.  At _that_ point,
_if_ someone claiming to be the 'former owner' shows up, you
are not required to surrender the animal.  HOWEVER, if you
_choose_ to do so, you can dictate the 'terms' under which you
will sell the animal back to the former owner.  Like "reimbursing"
you for your out-of-pocket expenses. (vet, 'pound' fees, tags,
etc.)


author: David Wallis

subject: Re: Vet Fees for lost dog

text:
[email] (wej3715) writes:

If it's the dog you care about, take it to the vet and pay to have it
treated. If the owner shows up, you would certainly be entitled to ask
for reimbursment for the vet bills (make sure you keep the paperwork),
but I don't think you would have standing to demand it. If the owner
really cares about the dog, he may be happy to pay you for taking care
of his pet. If not, then you can at least feel good about having
helped a suffering animal.


author: Christopher Green

subject: Re: Vet Fees for lost dog

text:
[email] (wej3715) wrote in message
news:<[email]>...

The vet is not likely to provide treatment on the speculation that he
may get reimbursed by some unknown owner. A public-spirited vet or a
well-heeled humane society may be willing to tend to a stray dog out
of charity, but I bet most would want you to agree to be responsible
for the bill.

Your willingness to make sure the dog gets treated for whatever is
ailing him is commendable, but it doesn't give you any kind of
ownership. If you believe the owner's conduct amounted to neglect,
cruelty, or abandonment (sounds like it to me), you may be able to
turn the dog over to the humane society instead of returning it. You
might then be able to adopt the dog back and thereby cut off the
previous owner's rights. But otherwise, if the owner shows up and
wants his dog back, the owner is entitled to get his dog back.

You should have a good case for restitution against the owner for any
money you spent in reasonably caring for the dog. Veterinary treatment
for an obviously sick dog is surely reasonable. Whether a restitution
claim would be worth pursuing in small claims court in Texas is
something one of the Texas lawyers who hang out here could answer.