author: Kereru

subject: Re: 4 year old wetting pants.

text:
"kylee" <[email]> wrote in message
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I'd not go back to nappies or pullups. If I put pullups on my son he goes
straight back to weeing in them. I'd just keep her in clothes and change
them with a minimum of fuss. Maybe a quick comment like "Oh dear never mind,
I bet that feels a bit yucky" other than that NO attention for the wetting
good or bad.

Perhaps you could get her helping change baby's nappy but still don't try to
relate it to her.

I'd give it a few weeks to see if that was working. I would be pretty near
certain that it is stress related.

Good Luck

Judy


author: toto

subject: Re: 4 year old wetting pants.

text:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:02:18 GMT, "kylee"
<[email]> wrote:

First, make sure that there is no physical problem by taking her to
her pediatrician to check that she doesn't have a bladder infection
or something like that.

Second, *don't* punish her or reward her for her toileting behavior.
Let her change herself, but don't react to it at all if you want to
try to keep her in underwear.

My vote, though would be to ask her if she wants to be back in
diapers and to allow that if she wants to be a baby again for a
little while.  It will blow over after the stresses of the new baby
are done.  Meanwhile talk to her about all the things big kids can
do that babies can't manage.   And involve her in helping with the
new baby.  I am sure that your husbands being gone is probably
a stressor too, so keep her in touch with him if you can.  Does he
have email access?  He can write to her and you can read these
emails to her.


author: kylee

subject: Re: 4 year old wetting pants.

text:
I have put her back in pullups, mainly for when we are out and at night. The
only thing is she won't even bother even trying to go to the bathroom. She
will just wet in the pull up till it's soaked then ask for a new one. Yet
she won't have a bm in her pants. She will hold it as  long as she has to if
we aren't near a restroom .. though she has no problems wetting. I dind't
want to put her in diapers again cause I was afraid it would just basically
give her the signal that she didn't have to try any longer. Am I wrong?

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subject: Re: 4 year old wetting pants.

text:
She has an appointment soon with her ped and I am going to get her checked
out then, just to make sure.

I have been having her help me with the baby. She helps me dress him bath
him and chnage him. I have tried to keep her as involved with him as much as
possible.

As far as her dad is concerened she has been so angry about the whole
situation. He has called twice this week the first time she answered the
phone but she wouldn't aknowledge him and handed me the phone. When I asked
her if she wanted to talk to him she just walked away. Then he called
yesterday while she was napping,  I let her know after she woke up and all
she has to say was "I'm happy for you"
Anytime I try to talk to her about him being out to sea she changes the
subject, if I press her she just walks off.
We tried to prepare her as far in advance as we could for this. We took her
for a tour of the sub, let her see where daddy sleeps, eats and what not. I
even got her a calendar so that we could count off the days till daddy gets
back.. she seemed like it wasn't that big a deal.
Till the day we dropped him off at the pier and she wouldn't say goodbye to
him. She literally snubbed him, no hugs, kisses nothing.. I felt so bad for
the both of them. Course once we drove off she bawled all the way home.
I just don't know how to get her to open up about the whole thing .. so
talking to him really doesn't help since I can't get her to talk to him :(


author: toypup

subject: Re: 4 year old wetting pants.

text:
"kylee" <[email]> wrote in message
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I imagine BM's in the Pullups would be more uncomfortable than just wetting
them and she knows it.  I wouldn't worry about it all just yet.  Kids have a
way of regressing when they are under stress but they bounce right back when
things are all better.


author: dragonlady

subject: Re: 4 year old wetting pants.

text:
In article <n%L3c.25180$[email]>,
 "kylee" <[email]> wrote:

I think it depends on how you think of using a toilet.  If you think of
it as a discipline issue, so will she.

Right now, much of her life is out of her control.  She can't control
the fact that Dad is gone, that she has a new sibling to contend with,
that Mom's attention is necessarily split leaving less for her (and if
you even TRY to give her ALL of your attention while you are also caring
for a newborn, you'll kill yourself!).  Toileting is something that is
entirely in HER control:  she decides whether and where to pee and poop.
If you make it a discipline issue, I think she may decide to hold out
for a VERY long time, and you will be forced to escalate the
consequences (either positive consequences for using it, or negative
consequences for NOT using) until she decides to go along with your
desires -- essentially, passing control for this over to you, too.

On the other hand, if you just decide to NOT make an issue of it, and
tell her to let YOU know when she's ready again, she may feel more in
control of the issue (because she WILL be in control) and she may move
back to panties sooner.

I could be completely wrong -- lord knows, I am often enough! -- but I'm
guessing that if you don't make an issue of it and don't worry about it,
she'll be back in panties soon.

meh


author: Jan

subject: Re: 4 year old wetting pants.

text:
"kylee" <[email]> wrote in message news:<LwP3c.26417$[email]>...

I have found that books and stories (about other kids and dads who
just happen to have the same things happen to them) help a ton with
things like this. Find a book (or make up a story) about a little girl
whose daddy goes away on a sub and tell her all the things that
happen. If there are any particular things you think she may be
worrying about, put those in the story too. If she gets into the
story, let her fill in details or ask her questions (How do you think
Kimberly felt when xyz happened?). This might give you great insight
into what is going on.

Good luck,

Jan


subject: Re: 4 year old wetting pants.

text:
well at this point I am ready and willing to try just about anything.
Talking to her and punishing her for it obviously isn't working.
She is even more hard headed than her mother.. and that is saying something.
It's pretty much just been a power struggle between the two of us that is
just getting worse. So you are probably right.

Should be interesting. Cross your fingers for me

Kylee

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subject: Re: 4 year old wetting pants.

text:
In article <TQM3c.25801$[email]>,
 "kylee" <[email]> wrote:

BTDT.

I think one of my life's goals is to learn to avoid power struggles with
DD#2 -- who is now 18!  (I AM getting much better at it . . .)

Whenever I've found myself in a power struggle with her (and they are
VERY hard to avoid!) I ask myself if it is something that really
matters.  First, is it a safety issue.  (Car seats, and now seat belts,
are NOT optional.)  Second, is it really going to matter when she's 30?

In this case -- will it matter 26 years from now that your daughter
spent a few days, weeks, or even months reverting to wearing diapers
when her new sibling came along and life was tough for her?

Good luck, and let us know how this turns out.

meh


author: DaveC

subject: AV card for 8100/100 wanted

text:
Looking for AV card for Power Mac 8100. Please e-mail me with:

   * condition (is it new? used? how old is it?)
   * asking price

Thanks.

Enjoy,
Dave


author: Leanne Townsend

subject: getting a toned, fat free body...advice needed plz..:)

text:
Hi fellow newsgroupers. I am new to this particular ng and would first of
all like to tell you a bit about me and my situation before asking for any
advice.

   I am 19 and have two baby boys, one is 15 months and the other just 4
months, so as you can see my body has been through a lot in the last 2/3
years never mind anything else. I am 5ft 2 roughly. I went up to 10 and a
half stone in both pregnancies but have regained my pre-pregnancy weight of
just over 7 and a half stone.

   I am not exactly worried about losing any weight as such, just toning up
certain areas,..IE> my stomach, thighs and the tops of my arms. I am back
into a size 8 again, quite comfortably so i am pretty chufffed but i know my
target areas to work on.

  I would really appreciate any dieting or exercising advice to achieve the
body i have always dreamed about!! :o)

  TIA....Leanne


author: kimberly

subject: Re: getting a toned, fat free body...advice needed plz..:)

text:
well, it's hard to give advice without knowing your current fitness
level and health issues. so assuming since you are young still and have
no health issues, like diabetes and what have you. the perfect combo is
cardio work and some weight training. cardio will help burn the fat, and
weight training will help tone it up. first set some goals for yourself,
short term and long term. write them down. take measurements. this will
help with your motivation. infact take some pictures before and after.
there is nothing like seeing change to help motivate yourself. i'm glad
you don't care about the scale or weight. the scale doesn't know the
difference between muscle and fat anyways. and muscle weighs more
anyways. size 8 sounds great anyways. start off with some cardio 3 days
a week and weight train like two days a week. again, really don't know
if u have picked up a weight before, so i''m playing it safe. cardio
should be 15-20 minutes the first week. weight train upper body one day,
and the other weight train the lower body. light weights, high reps.
like 15-20 reps. one set each. it's so important to start out light and
easy the first week. i know you want to go gun ho, but this will burn
you out. be proud you are starting something. by the 3 week you will
know if your body can do more. like up your days in cardio and the time
to 30 minutes. and up your sets in weight training, like 2-3 sets with
lower reps and heavy weights. there is so much i could tell you. if u
have specific questions, email me and i will go into detail. now for
diet, i'm not a dietician, but watch your meats that are high in fat.
eat chicken, lean steak (round cut), turkey (there is turkey everything
out there), watch your breads. watch your dairy, like cheese. cut out
your soda, any high sugar drinks. watch your portions. i eat usually
every two and a half hours. like a chicken breast with a potato.
something with protein and a good carb combo. this gives my body energy
all day instead of  sitting down for 3 meals and overloading my body
with too much food at once. it can only burn so much and the rest gets
stored as fat. again, i could go on forever, so any specific questions
just email me. oh number one thing, drink your water. most important,
this will help so much. my abs really come out when i drink my 64 oz a
day, watch my salts and breads. from water alone, you will get energy.
you will notice. some people think dieting means eating less. this will
only result in failure. no food means no energy. no energy means work
outs. your metabolism will lower, meaning no fat burning and fat will be
stored. don't eat less, but eat smart.  good luck, and again email
please with anything else you need me to go into with details.
                                                   KIm Stone


author: joanne

text:
I thought I'd just say that the advice you gave was really helpful and
informative. I get bursts of 'this week i'll get fit' and go to the
gym every day but i know the best way is to build it up slowly until i
enjoy going down the gym.


text:
Thanks for the advice Kimberly. It does sound pretty logical to start off at
a slow steady pace rather than trying to run before you can crawl....lol

   I would say as far as health goes i am pretty much well but i guess you
could say my fitness levels are quite low. I have never really done much in
the way of "proper" exercise, as in set exercises. When i attempt to start
doing aerobic type stuff i get out of breath quite easily. I do smoke
though.. :o( not a lot, on average 3 a day, often less.

  What exactly should i be doing as far as cardio-vascular exercise and
weight-training goes?? I have an idea but i think a point in the right
direction would be great! :o)

   I have a weakness for dairy. I love full fat milk and can't get enough of
it and i know i don't get enough water!! I guess you could say that this all
needs to change. More water and a few glasses of SEMI-SKIMMED milk?? I don't
eat a lot of chocolate or crisps e.t.c.. but i do eat my main meal far too
late at night basically since this is my " relax " time when babies are
sleeping.

   I would really love my exercise routine to be fun and enjoyable. I often
find it all a bit of an ordeal and torturous at times..lol. I love dancing
to music and aerobic work-outs. I need motivation more than anything right
now though. I WILL do it! I will achieve my desired body and reach my
goals!! There i've said it.

   Another thing before i go....i feel my energy levels are quite low just
now maybe due to a lack of iron i don't know but i feel weak and lethargic
most days which doesn't help as far as exercise and motivation goes. Any
advice on how to build myself back up? I have iron and ginseng which maybe i
should start taking again. I am a busy active mum to two babies so this does
take up 90% of my time which is another factor. I hope to join a gym in
January if all goes to plan.

  Any feedback would be great. TIA...
Leanne


author: Bully

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"Leanne Townsend" <[email]> wrote in message
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3 too many !!!

Anything that raises your heart rate and brings you out in a bit of a sweat
!! Keep it up 3 times a week for 30-40 minutes.

A full body routine, twice a week (say Mon and Thu). Ask in your gym for
further details :-) !!

of
This is bad!!

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That has no bearing on anything!!!

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Look for a pump class then...!!

Could be due to a lack of exercise also !!

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Get more sleep :-) !


text:
the above response was good, although, i think 30-40 minutes duration is
too much to start off with. start slow. grab those kids up of yours and
go walking. really for the first two weeks start off with 15-20 minutes,
3 days a week. that's all you have to worry about now. you'll accomplish
this and be ready for more. for now, make it a goal to get more fit and
your reward will be to join the gym by jan. then once in the gym you'll
start a new goal, you'll try a aerobic class after you can achieve 30
minutes on a treadmill or stair stepper. small goals equal big success.
i know personally. i have lost 45 pounds on my own. that was two years
ago, i have kept it off and i'm better than ever. i never lost sight of
my major goal, to be a personal trainer. and now i just found out last
week that i passed my certification test for personal training. so,
picture a goal for yourself first before you begin. do your 15-20
minutes of walking, 3 days a week for at least two weeks then up your
time to 30-40 minutes or add days and watch your food. at least watch
your junk food of all things. really try a lower fat milk, if not
fat-free. trust me it will grow on you. i even enjoy fat-free cheese
now, and i use to love cheese. in fact i still do, i just have control
over it now. i'm a little worried about telling you about lifting
weights without physically showing you. i don't want u to get hurt. you
could do cardio and clean eating for dec. and plan for weight training
by jan. at the gym with an instructor. proper technique is so important.
to play it safe and also from overwhelming yourself with too much, maybe
you should just start doing exercises with your own body weight.
push-ups, sit-ups. squats (by holding a back of a chair), leg lifts,
lunges, trunk twist (with a stick across your shoulders), tricep dips
(hold the arms of a sturdy chair backwards, body at an incline, and
lower your body at the elbow joints), calf raises (by standing on our
toes on a edge of a step, hold on to something for balance). write down
your reps that you felt comfortable doing, so the next time you have
something to challenge yourself with. maybe try to squeak out one more
rep than before. sorry if i was repetitive about anything and rambled
on. remember you already did one of the hardest steps, deciding to
change. i'm not going to lecture you about smoking, i personally believe
through exercise alone you will find that energy you are looking for.
soon you will be fit and feeling good, who knows, you might look at a
cig totally different. you'll be feeling to good about yourself. so i
wouldn't stress yourself out about that. don't take on too much. whoah,
again sorry if i rambled. i hope i was helpful and good luck.
                                            Kim Stone


text:
Thanx Kinberley. Much appreciated! I'll keep you posted on how i am doing.

Leanne


subject: need advice

text:
I have over $150,000 in CD that gives me 5.3%-I get about $800 a month...I
need the income---like the safe principle--but would be willing to risk
principle for a higher rate paid out at least quarterly..
any idea?/
thanks
Michael


author: rick++

subject: Re: need advice

text:
You should go to a brokerage site like Fidelity.com or Vanguard.com
and look
under the section called "income".  These are aimed at the newly
retired who want
to make income from their savings while taking minor risks.
An immediate annuity pays over 6% and higher if you are over 50
(inflation risk).
There are newer "hedge" income funds that contain both long and short
investments
to maintain a premium of up to 3% over treasuries (market risk).
There are high-yield bonds and high dividend stocks which have some
element of market risk.


subject: Re: need advice

text:
On Oct 19, 5:01 am, "M.Balarama" <[email]> wrote:

Michael,

    You could buy a high rated preferred.  Generally, they pay
quarterly.  You aren't going to get the safety of FDIC insurance, but
there are double and triple-A rated issues that should provide you
with enough piece of mind.  Preferreds these days are really 30-year
or longer maturity bonds that are callable anytime after five year.
Usually they are issued at $25 par amount and are listed on the NYSE.
The most important thing to keep in mind that as securities, unlike a
CD, their price will fluctuate with interest rates, credit events,
liquidity, and any other risk associated with bonds, sometimes more so
given the maturity and whether the call is "in the money" or not.  You
may be to purchase one that is QDI eligible, where the dividends are
taxed at 15% rather than ordinary income.  You can purchase them
through any broakerage firm, but I would suggest dealing with one that
knows tha product well so as to explain all the ins and outs.  Hope
this helps.


author: Cal

subject: Re: need advice

text:
If you are NOT concerned with retaining the Principle, then you should look
into
the use of an:

            Immediate Annuity

If you are NOT familiar with this, it is a annuity that pays you a
Guaranteed
income for (at least) LIFE . Depending on your age, you could receive
anything from
$1,200 to $1,500 a month for as long as YOU live....
Cal Lester  CLU

"M.Balarama" <[email]> wrote in message
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author: John A. Weeks III

subject: Re: need advice

text:
In article <NdSRi.15312$[email]>,
 "M.Balarama" <[email]> wrote:

Well, it would have been nice to have a bunch more information such
as your age, what other money and income you have, and how much
more you need each month.  In the absence of all that, the best
I can suggest is see your financial planner or banker about
income funds.  It might be appropriate to put a portion of that
$150K into income funds.  Just don't get conned into paying a
big fee or sales commission for doing that.

-john-


author: emsie

subject: police check  - married name

text:
hi

i've just got my police check back finally after waiting for 35 days, i
just wanted to check something.  i'm divorced and on the police check
form i put on the form that i had been known by a previous married
name.  The form has come back and it just has my name which i use
now(my maiden name)

Is this going to be ok?  The Australian police check showed both names

Has anyone been in the same situation and did you need to get
another police check.  I think i will go crazy if i have to wait
another 6 weeks.

Thanks


author: GinaUK

subject: Re: police check  - married name

text:
Same thing happened to me: When I sent off for the police check, I put
all the names I had been known by on the form. When the police check
came it only had my current name on it. Like you, I was worried whether
it would be good enough for DIMA. My agent said it was fine and they
were correct. DIMA didn't query it and we have our visa.

Gina


author: Lili

subject: Re: police check  - married name

text:
"emsie" <member47911@british_expats.com> wrote in message
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subject: Re: police check  - married name

text: Do you know how long a police check is valid for in DIMA's eyes?


subject: Re: police check  - married name

text:
Thanks for the replies - i hope it will be ok, i've tried to call the
police helpline but i can't get through.  i didn't want to have to wait
for another one now i'm so near to applying.


subject: Re: police check  - married name

text:
"ex_exile" <member55498@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:32$397444$3930279$[email]...


subject: Re: police check  - married name

text:
Police checks are valid for 12 months. (see forms on DIMA's website)

Gina


author: Lamont Sanford

subject: Newbie E-Mini Question [closing prices]

text:
Hi there,

    I've been doing a bit of reading on futures and I'm curious about
something:

    If the pit-traded S&P contracts close at approximately 1pm while the
E-Minis are tradable virtually 24hrs, when is the "settlement price" for a
particular day determined for the E-Minis? Does the E-Mini arbitrarily set
it's settlement price to the current price as of 1pm so that it'll be
consistent with that of the full sized pit contract?

Thanks...


subject: Re: Newbie E-Mini Question [closing prices]

text:
Dear Vincent,

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CME E-mini futures rank among the most successful futures products ever
launched. This presentation will explore how E-mini futures work and
provide you with several reasons to consider trading these exciting
products.
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Lamont Sanford wrote:
the
for a
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text:
Most successful for who?

Brokers?

Exchanges?

Margin departments?

Proedge_Joe wrote:


text:
Final Settlement Rule
The Final Settlement Price shall be a special quotation of the
Standard and Poors500 Stock Price Index based on the opening prices of
the component stocks in the index,  or on the last sale price of a
stock that does not open for trading on the regulary scheduled day of
final settlement.

Try http://www.proemini.com/Emini/S&P_500/EminiS&PSpecifications.htm

Lamont Sanford wrote:
the
for a
arbitrarily set


author: [redacted]

subject: Most of this is true but bombs NOT Confirmed: TERRORISM, NEUTRON BOMBS, RED-LIST

text:
(sent to USCMike1's 32,336+ readers - please repost to your own mailing lists
and newsgroups - thanks)

Dear Citizens, Patriots, Veterans, et al:

   The information contained below has been circulating for quite a while
but, now the timing is getting much closer.  Everything mentioned below is
the actual plans of the New World Order elite illuminati, only the actual
time and date is still up in the air.

   Like I said, EVERYTHING below is TRUE and are the actual  plans of the NWO
bosses EXCEPT I have had NO confirmation on the Neutron Bombs aspect of the
post.

   Probably, most of the URGENT fearmongering is just a trial balloon or a
test to see how the public will react.  If we just pass it off they
definitely WILL proceed as they planned.  If we strongly resist them they
will back off for a while as that is what they have done in the past.

   The detonation of even ONE neutron bomb on U.S. soil is just too
incredible to believe - AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME - although I would NOT put it
past the NWO enslavers to attempt doing just that at some future date.

   Remember, NOTHING happens by chance and the NWO illuminati elites have
been planning all of what has happened to our nation for a minimum of two
years before we signed the original Declaration of Independence from King
George the Third.  Only NOW we are dealing with King Clinton the Corrupt and
he is 100 times worse than King George.

   Please understand what I am saying:  Everything listed below either IS or
WILL BE true in the very near future.  The part I am having a difficult time
accepting and confirming at this particular time is the detonation of one
(much less several) neutron bombs within the next two weeks.

  The NWO illuminati will try to scare us into submission without them having
to fire even one shot.  They do and will use deception to win their battles.
Ever notice how much, if not MOST, of everything we hear, see,and experience
from our federal government is lies and deceptions???

  Now, if somebody (doesn't matter really who) actually DOES detonate neutron
bombs in the coastal cities, as stated below, then you in all probability
will NOT receive any more posts from me, [email] as I live in
downtown Los Angeles.  However, after having studied how our evil federal,
state, county, city, etc., governments ands law enforcement officers operate,
I feel that there is the majority of a chance that it is just another
deceptive scare tactic to beat WE the PEOPLE into subservient submission
without a fight on the part of the government.

    The government does NOT OWN our nation NOR WE the People, we Hired them
(for very high pay) to be OUR servants. It is unfortunate that we must now
eliminate most, if not ALL, of them before they destroy our nation and most
of us in it.

  My educated and faithful guess is that there will be NO NEUTRON BOMBS
detonated ANYWHERE (although I could be proven wrong by just one triggered
device).  But, we cannot just sit here and allow the NWO elite's plans to be
carried forward.

   I feel that we have at least 4 to 6 months before anything major and all
pervasive as all that is perpetrated against us.  And hopefully that they
(modern-day NWO illuminati) will not attempt anything grand until  10 to 18
months down the road . . . enough time for us to prepare for survival and for
those brave and hardy souls, to pre-empt them and take our nation back.

    Please read the bottom summarized posts very carefully and if you have
any questions please contact the original senders or me and I will try to
fill in the details for you.

  BUT IT IS DEFINITELY ALL TRUE as far as their plans are concerned.  Just
the timing MAY (hopefully) be off.

Your Born Again Christian Brother in Christ, USCMike1

PS:  Just in case the feds plan on using nearly undetectable microwave
weapons against us, I have now designed and am in the construction phase of
the detectors of lethal microwave energy indicators.

   If you wear these and see the little light flash on or stay on
continuously, you are being irradiated with a tremendously intense beam of
microwave energy and you will fry and be cooked from the inside of your body
in a matter of minutes and have only a few seconds to duck and get out of the
way and hide behind something metal (like carry aluminum foil or an
aluminized mylar plastic sheet or emergency "space" blanket with you at all
times) before your brain is fried or it causes your heart or brain to explode
internally in a massive aneurism (exploded blood vessel).

    The very least that could happen is that they (NWO illuminati) can cause
a massive heart attack or brain stroke within a few seconds unless you can
jump out of the way quickly enough.

   I have designed these microwave detection devices for the ladies and they
can wear them as earrings (pierced, clipped, or screw post) and/or as a
pendant on a necklace.  Guys can wear the pendants too unless they are into
body piercing - but then, maybe some "male" who is into New World Order Mind
Controlled body piercing would be better off like roast turkey anyway??????
(No apologies forthcoming on my part for my immediate statement).

    The other devices I am designing and building now is a little meter that
will indicate if you are in any type of EMF (electromagnetic field) or EMP
(electromagnetic pulse) energy field.  This energy is much less intense than
that detected by the earrings or pendants.

      They are so sensitive that they will show you how much microwave energy
is radiating from your cellular telephone antenna.  OBTW,  you need one of
these to determine if your are receiving dangerous doses of microwave energy
from your cell phone antenna.  This concentration of energy will  not blow
out your arteries or cause a stroke or heart attack immediately but it will
definitely cause headaches, tissue trauma, and cancerous tumors of your brain.

   I will test and certify that these instruments, in fact, DO measure and
detect certain emissions and radiation of microwaves and some other
frequencies and wavelengths and I will send info to you on how to test their
detection capabilities for yourself to prove to yourself that they really do
work.  I will include a certificate of guarantee and warrantee with a free
replacement policy if they should malfunction or break from normal use.

Your Constitutional Patriot and Born Again Christian Brother in Christ,
USCMike1

  Please read the summary posts below and start getting prepared.  Thanks to
[email] (Nicola Molloy) for forwarding the posts and to
Christopher Goodheart (is that a real name or just a pseudonym???) for
compiling the information.  This information has been available and sent out
for the past 3 years (and in some cases much longer for certain aspects).

In a message dated 8/27/99 9:29:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email] writes:

<< Subj:     [Fwd: SNET: ALERT!  TERROR PLANS, NEUTRON BOMBS, RED-LIST]
 Date:  8/27/99 9:29:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time
 From:  [email] (Nicola Molloy)

 Christopher Goodheart wrote:
 }
 } RED ALERT!  Insider reveals plans by Feds to use neutron bombs in U.S,
 } provoking terror, Martial Law and purges of Patriots and militia
 } leaders who would defend the Constitution.
 }
 } "If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess
 } the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its
 } experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." --Samuel Adams
 }
 } CAUTION:  This information sounds fanatical to those who have not
 } followed the on-going expose's on the Internet about the Waco
 } Massacre, Oklahoma City Bombing, TWA 800 whack, China-gate,
 } Mafia-gate, etc.  The numerous cover-ups of the corrupt Clintonistas
 } (power elite minions) are unravelling like never before.  To keep
 } CONTROL (the "currency" of the power elite), these power elite
 } desperados appear to be planning terror on a much larger scale.
 }
 } Clinton has said we can expect terrorism soon, and indeed, like
 } self-fulfilling prophecy, these desperate insiders may well wag the
 } dog again, saying "I told you so" when it happens... conveniently
 } grabbing some patriot, militia or Middle East scapegoats in the
 } process.  [See background report on "WOLVES AMONG US" at
 } www.TLCalliance.com/alert.htm]
 }
 } This is why the bankster/Clintonista collusion may choose to create
 } and manage a crisis now that will put them in control even before Y2K
 } chaos reigns. Something is clearly being planned along these lines.
 } Pray for exposure and confounding of those involved.
 }
 } In the meantime, the best defense right now is a good offense.  Spread
 } the word aggressively to preempt these plans.  It's well known that
 } former sinister plans have been aborted when the element of surprise
 } was lost.  SO GET THE WORD OUT!!!  Alert your neighbors, friends,
 } acquaintances. Paul Revere had a horse and strong vocal cords. You've
 } got e-mail and a phone. For God's sake, use them. If enough good
 } people don't do enough to resist and reverse the plan and intent of a
 } corrupt cadre of power elite insiders and their minions, the void will
 } be filled by virtually Satanic forces that are on the move.  Invoke
 } the power of Almighty God to "TAKE COMMAND" of this entire situation!
 }
 }  Get back to basics folks! God, Guns, Gold & Grub. Pray & Prepare like
 } your life depends on it.  Stick to your guns.  And shoot straight!
 } --C.G.
 }
 } "When the strong man fully armed guardeth his own court, his goods are
 } in peace." --Jesus Christ [Luke 11:21.6]
 }
 } "I ask sir, what of the militia? It is the whole people... To disarm
 } people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."  --George
 } Mason, Founding Father who initiated and championed what became the
 } Bill of Rights.
 }
 } "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained
 } in arms, is the best most natural defense of a free country..."
 } --James Madison
 }
 } EXCERPTS:
 }
 }      "Sometime during the dates of September 9th through 13th (these
 } dates are tentative) at least ten Neutron bombs will be detonated in
 } all major U.S. coastal cities. Cities named as targets include
 } Seattle, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, New York, Boston and
 } Miami.
 }
 }      "The bombs, according to the source, were brought into the U.S.
 } "two weeks ago", or in mid-July, through Port Arthur in Texas. This
 } operation is being facilitated by the Russians. However, factions of
 } the U.S. and British governments are fully aware of it and will do
 } nothing to stop it. In fact, in concert with the denotation of these
 } nuclear weapons the named governments will plan for the "invasion" of
 } a "peace-keeping" force in the U.S. These forces will also be used in
 } Nazi-like fashion to seize dissidents and so-called "threats".
 }
 }      "...at least 50,000 U.S. citizens are to be "rounded up" and
 } taken to "concentration camps" by the U.S. Government in collusion
 } with foreign governments and bodies. This may take place sometime
 } after or during September 9th through 13th,  1999.
 }
 }      "This mass culling of people will be conducted in raid-like
 } fashion as "targets" are covertly taken from their homes, placed in
 } unmarked vans, transport vehicles, and large Chinook helicopters.
 } NATO, United Nations, and foreign troops will be used for this "round
 } up". The people targeted will be sent to "concentration camps", in the
 } words of the informant, where they will be killed.
 }
 }      "The informant mentions the "Red list", of which he and 50,000
 } others are included, along with the 'Blue' and 'Green' lists. 'Those
 } on the Red well be taken to FEMA concentration camps and immediately
 } executed. The Blue will also be taken to FEMA camps and be given the
 } choice between 're-education' or execution. The Green well be
 } 're-educated' then returned to what is left of society', said the
 } source."
 }
 } ----------------------------------------- introductory comments:
 }
 } Forwarded by Dr. Byron Weeks:
 }
 } As I try to convey the reality of the world to many of the walking
 } dead, the common response is, "they wouldn't do that to us, the
 } government is there to protect us, they work for us!" Yes, maybe in
 } another era, maybe according to the Constitution, maybe in our dreams,
 } and certainly the way we've been 'told' by the conspiratorial
 } corporate media and brought up to believe throughout our entire lives.
 } But not anymore, sorry to say.
 }
 } Most of our readers understand this but we have an entire majority in
 } the population at large that still has to undergo that 'awakening'
 } process. If you've paid any attention to the news this last week, it
 } has been extremely interesting to see some now retired FBI, ATF and
 } other Fed agents coming forward with revealing truths about the
 } horrific pure evil that was involved in the Waco, Texas incident with
 } the Branch Davidians.  After 6 years of blatant 'Lies' and incessant
 } denials to the public and to Congress, Janet 'For the kids' Reno is
 } now recanting: "Well, O.K. maybe we did use pyrotechnic devices on the
 } compound after all. But we surely didn't set the fire that burned
 } dozens of innocent children alive! We lied before, but we're not lying
 } anymore".
 }
 } Every citizen of the world needs to see the documentary film, 'WACO -
 } THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT'. You will see the government getting caught
 } in lie after lie after lie. You will also see FLIR video tape (Forward
 } Looking Infra Red) shot by a government helIcopter on the scene
 } showing beyond a shadow of any doubt whatsoever, machine gun fire,
 } during the night, shooting into the compound. Agents are now coming
 } forward disclosing the fact that people trying to escape the burning
 } building were shot at from
 } the Federal Agents who "...Did not set the fire."
 }
 } This documentary is the most moving film that you will ever see and
 } your life will never be the same afterwards. Producer Mike McNulty now
 } has uncovered piles of additional evidence which led him to produce a
 } second documentary on the subject. I have not seen this, but initial
 } reports indicate that it is even more powerful than the first one,
 } which is hard to imagine.
 }
 } "But our government wouldn't do these things!" View the evidence
 } presented in the film and you be the judge. The same holds true
 } (another example) in the Columbine High School shooting. Just as the
 } New York Trade Center and Oklahoma City bombings involved massive
 } media whitewash of the facts, the truth is now coming to the fore in
 } the Columbine disaster. See for yourself at
 } http://www.Columbine.home.dhs.org/
 }
 } Lastly on this subject, some people refuse to believe in the well
 } documented 'resisters' detainment/execution concentration camps on
 } U.S. soil. <snip>  [If what they have done is any indication of what
 } they may do... take the following seriously. --C.G.]
 }
 } clarence napier <[email]>
 }
 } ---- Original Message -----
 } From: NewsHawk Inc. <[email]>
 } Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 5:56 AM
 }
 }  EXTREMELY URGENT!
 }  Full-scale assault planned by NWO
 }  US to be "Attacked"; 50,000 Civilians Rounded Up
 }
 }  See the Citizens For UN Base Disclosure website
 }  http://users.sedona.net/~redstone/bar.htm
 }
 }  Breaking News
 }  July 29th, 1999
 }
 }  (The following is a special report unrelated to the information
 } contained on the CUNBD web site.)
 }
 }  CUNBD has been in direct contact with an agent within a powerful
 } government intelligence agency. This agent's name, address, phone
 } number and position with this intelli-gence agency has been obtained.
 } Other validative info has also been obtained. (More info at CRTF web
 } site below).
 }
 }  He reveals, if not confirms, that at least 50,000 U.S. citizens are
 } to be "rounded up" and taken to "concentration camps" by the U.S.
 } Government in collusion with foreign governments and bodies. This may
 } take place sometime after or during September 9th through 13th, 1999.
 }
 }  This mass culling of people will be conducted in raid-like fashion as
 } "targets" are covertly taken from their homes,  placed in unmarked
 } vans, transport vehicles, and large Chinook helicopters. NATO, United
 } Nations, and foreign troops will be used for this "round up". The
 } people targeted will be sent to "concentration camps", in the words of
 } the informant, where they will be killed.
 }
 }  Those targeted likely include militia members, anti-government
 } activists, conspiracy theorists, and so-called "patriots" and
 } proponents of the U.S. Constitution.
 }
 }  This event will occur in accord with another "planned" event.
 } Sometime during the dates of September 9th through 13th (these dates
 } are tentative) at least ten Neutron bombs will be detonated in all
 } major U.S. coastal cities. Cities named as targets include Seattle,
 } Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, New York, Boston and Miami.
 }
 }  The bombs, according to the source, were brought into the U.S. "two
 } weeks ago", or in mid-July, through Port Arthur in Texas. This
 } operation is being facilitated by the Russians.  However, factions of
 } the U.S. and British governments are fully aware of it and will do
 } nothing to stop it. In fact, in concert with the denotation of these
 } nuclear weapons the named governments will plan for the "invasion" of
 } a "peace-keeping" force in the U.S. These forces will also be used in
 } Nazi-like fashion to seize dissidents and so-called "threats".
 }
 }  The informant mentions the "Red list", of which he and 50,000 others
 } are included, along with the "Blue" and "Green" lists. "Those on the
 } Red well be taken to FEMA concentration camps and immediately
 } executed. The Blue will also be taken to FEMA camps and be given the
 } choice between 're-education' or execution. The Green well be
 } 're-educated' then returned to what is left of society", said the
 } source.
 }
 }  The source has also indicated that various para-military personnel
 } are currently being contracted by the Justice Department and the FBI
 } to carry out specialized "assassinations" of key people within the
 } militia and right-wing movements.
 }
 }  Update
 }  August 19th, 1999
 }
 }  The source reports more information to us:
 }
 }  "To my knowledge it is still scheduled on 9/11/99. However, things
 }  change. We made the move on the militia/patriot groups so public
 }  that they 'rescheduled' that heinous event. Instead, they slowly
 }  move a little closer each week by staging maneuvers. They could
 }  be rushed in September, or in October. The militias in Michigan
 }  think they will be outright attacked in October. That is what all
 }  these rainstorms and landslides are about 'up here'. All man made,
 }  and they are used as cover within which to move men, supplies, etc.
 }  closer into position. And they practice containment exercises."
 }
 }  We cannot vouch for the accuracy of the above claims!
 }
 } NewsHawk Inc. <[email]>
 }
 } [Note: This is a highly credible news source that broke the insider
 } story on JFK Jr's assassination via the same power elite
 } infrastructure to the secret government. --C.G.]
 }
 } ###
 }
 } To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
 } Subscribe CTRL [to:] [email]
 }
 } http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
 }
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 }
 } =====================================
(below is brief with [snips]

 } Final Comments:
 } Much of what is indicated here has been prophesied and should come as
 } no surprise to those who understand . . .  But prophecy is not etched in
stone; it's a
 } warning. If enough good people do enough to invoke divine  intercession,
vowing to make a difference to turn things around, there  can be major
mitigation.  Man has free-will so anything is possible. . . . --C.G.

 } If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his
 } immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an
 } unbeliever. 1 Timothy 5:8


author: Drew Stowers

subject: Re: Most of this is true but bombs NOT Confirmed: TERRORISM, NEUTRON  BOMBS, RED-LIST

text:
On Sat, 28 Aug 99 19:35:01 GMT, [email] wrote:

}
}(sent to USCMike1's 32,336+ readers - please repost to your own mailing list=
}s=20
}and newsgroups - thanks)

Yo Bozo!

How am I suppose to see if your glow in the dark earrings are glowing
in the dark, if they are in my ears?  Are you going to be selling
special glow in the dark earring viewing mirrors with each set?


text:
On Sat, 28 Aug 99 19:35:01 GMT, [email] wrote:

}
}(sent to USCMike1's 32,336+ readers - please repost to your own mailing list=
}s=20
}and newsgroups - thanks)
}
}Dear Citizens, Patriots, Veterans, et al:
}

Sorry for the second post, but I forgot to add something to my first
one.

For those who are worried about Deadly Government Microwave
Weapons(tm), and cannot wait for USCmike1 to come up with a warning
device:

Take a sheet of aluminum foil and make your own foil hat.  It would
let everyone know you are a nut (always valuable information for
innocent bystanders), protect your head and act as a warning device.


author: Barb

subject: people to people

text:
Does anyone have any experience with this organization?  My daughter was
nominated to go.
Thanks


author: Shelly

subject: Re: people to people

text:
"Barb" <b_nospam_shumway@_nospam_neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:DpE2d.19025$[email]...
I usually just lurk, but had to pop in on this one. My experience with
People to People is quite old, and I am sure things have changed, but I went
to Northern Europe and the Soviet Union with P2P in 1990. The trip is
pricey - much more expensive than it would be to go it on your own, but the
experience was terrific, and I would recommend it. It really was a fabulous
learning experience; I remember saying at the time that I felt like I had
learned more on the trip than I had in years of Social Studies classes. I am
still friends with one of the girls I stayed with in England (I stood up in
her wedding this summer!), and ended up training for a field related to the
program (I am trained as a Russian translator).

I don't know that I have much practical information on the program since it
has been so long, but I'd be happy to chat about it if you wanted to e-mail
me: [email].

-Michelle


author: Sue

subject: Re: people to people

text:
"Barb" <b_nospam_shumway@_nospam_neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:DpE2d.19025$[email]...

Hi Barb,

Yes, I have experience with it. My babysitter went to Ireland two summers
ago and my friend's son went to Austrailia last year in the program. My
daughter has been invited to go to this summer's program, which is Italy,
France and Spain. I am going to attend the meeting to see what they have to
say and how much it costs. I know that it is pricey and there is a lot of
fund-raising that has to be done. I supported both kids that I knew who
went. Both kids said it was a wonderful experience, especially being able to
stay with families that live where they were going. The parents said it was
well organized and there were chaparones. That's about all I know at this
time.


subject: Re: people to people

text:
"Shelly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

went
the
fabulous
am
in
the
it
e-mail
Hi Michelle,
Thanks for your delurking and sharing.  It sounds like this program really
impacted your life.   We are gong to the info meeting next month.  I have
saved your address if I have any future questions.
Thank you,
Barb


subject: Re: people to people

text:
"Sue" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Both kids said it was a wonderful experience, especially being able to
was

I would agree with the well organized / chaperones part. I remember that we
did get in a little "trouble" on the trip (sneaking out of a hotel when we
weren't supposed to, or ordering a glass of alcohol even though we weren't
supposed to), but we weren't really able to get in too much trouble, if you
know what I mean. The teachers we were with kept pretty close watch, and the
program was just structured enough that they were able to keep tabs on us
pretty well.

-Michelle


subject: Re: people to people

text:
"Sue" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

to
to
was

Hi Sue,
We are going to attend the meeting to get all the info also.   When is your
meeting, ours is Oct. 23.   Everyone I have talked to about the program has
nothing but good things to say.  Her invitation is on the Australia trip,
she was hoping for Europe.  We are all quite excited about it but the cost
is expensive.  I hate doing fund-raising so I am curious to see what they
have to offer.  My husband and I are trying to figure out how we can go
also!  Maybe we can share stories after the meetings.
Barb


subject: Re: people to people

text:
"Shelly" <[email]> wrote in message
news:414dc93c$[email]...
we
you
the
Good to know the time is structured enough to keep the kids out of trouble.
One of my concerns is having my 13 year old daughter out on her own.  I like
knowing where she is and what she is doing.  This sounds like such a great
opportunity.
Thank you,
Barb


author: George Holt

subject: Holt CLOSE 7/16; Dow Passes 8000 to 8038.88; UP 63.17, Nasdaq Contines to Soar

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TBR    147 11/16   5,975    +12 11/16     ARDM     9            54     +1 3/4
TWX     49 5/8     7,157     +4 1/4       PCOL    10           240     +1 7/8
EVR     36 1/2        70     +3 1/8       RGNT     6 3/4        19     +1 1/4
CIR     23 9/16    2,772     +2           WTLK     4 1/4        23      + 3/4
SHI     26 7/16      117     +2 3/16      PTRN     4 1/4        78      + 3/4

NYSE Losers                               NASDAQ Losers

Symbol  Last       Vl(000s)   Change      Symbol  Last       Vl(000s)   Change
-------------------------------------     -------------------------------------
MDV     15 3/8        74     -2 3/8       CLFY    10 7/8     2,672     -3 1/16
COL     34        12,923     -4 15/16     AIPN     1 29/32   4,574     -0 15/32
DYT     34 3/8     2,194     -4 15/16     EPMD     2 5/8         5      - 5/8
PZX     26            82     -3 1/2       BUTI     9 1/8       172     -2 1/8
EK      68 3/8    16,761     -8 1/2       AMCE     2            15     -0 7/16
NOV     13 1/2       331     -1 1/4       BZET     4 1/8        81      - 7/8
TFS     20           143     -1 13/16     ANDW    27 3/8     9,779     -5 5/8
MK+      5 3/8        25     -0 7/16      ANRG     2 3/4        63     -0 9/16
WHC     25 7/8       210     -2 1/16      FBAYF    1 7/8                - 3/8
FTR     58 3/8       484     -4 5/8       EUPH     2 1/8       275      - 3/8
WAK     20 15/16      14     -1 5/8       NCDI     8 1/2       812     -1 1/2
JOS     26 3/4       518     -2 1/16      BLGMY    2 3/16       20      - 3/8
PRG      8 1/8       378      - 5/8       VANS    13 9/16    1,502     -2 3/16
JSI      3 5/16      107      - 1/4       BMAN     4 3/4       124      - 3/4
SLT      2 1/2        56     -0 3/16      NKOT     1 29/32     322     -0 9/32

                     AMEX Most Actives

                     Symbol  Last       Vl(000s)   Change
                     -------------------------------------
                     SPY     93 3/4     2,621     +1 7/32
                     HEC      6 3/16    2,477     -0 1/16
                     NBR     30 7/8     1,796     +2 3/4
                     KRY      2 13/16   1,434     -3 1/16
                     VIA.B   28 1/2       828      - 5/8
                     IVX     11 11/16     801     +0 1/16
                     TWA      6 11/16     754     -0 3/16
                     BTI     18 15/16     638     +0 1/16
                     UBS     11 7/16      551     +0 5/16
                     AHA     12 1/8       502     +1 1/2
                     FAX      9 3/8       484     +0 1/16
                     PGU      5 7/16      436      - 1/8
                     AXC      5 1/16      384      - 1/8
                     GCR      9 3/4       380      - 3/8
                     KEG     21 1/4       363     +0 13/16

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Symbol  Last       Vl(000s)   Change      Symbol  Last       Vl(000s)   Change
-------------------------------------     -------------------------------------
OPY+     6 1/16        2     +1 1/16      KRY      2 13/16   1,434     -3 1/16
AGB     27 1/4        14     +4 3/4       PHX      2 3/4       254      - 5/8
JMS+     5 7/8       124     +0 13/16     PQT      2 1/8        63     -0 5/16
AHA     12 1/8       502     +1 1/2       SKV      3 1/8        12     -0 5/16
BYE+    10 1/4               +1 1/4       EXX.A    2 5/8         6      - 1/4
TOC     13 5/8        47     +1 9/16      NOW      3 3/8        17     -0 5/16
WRS      3 15/16       7     +0 7/16      DMM.A   16 13/16       1     -1 5/16
DEN      2 1/2        11      + 1/4       RMC      3 1/4                - 1/4
CPH      3 3/16       23     +0 5/16      SCF      3 1/16        2     -0 3/16
NBR     30 7/8     1,796     +2 3/4       JOL      4 1/8         6      - 1/4
SLS     13 1/4        31     +1 1/8       FTG      2 1/4         2      - 1/8
IRI      4 1/2         8      + 3/8       PHN      2 1/4        17      - 1/8
LSR      3 7/8        13     +0 5/16      PZA      2 5/16        3      - 1/8
UQM      7 1/8        93     +0 9/16      MXC      4 3/4                - 1/4
IDC      5 7/8       169     +0 7/16      SOS     12 1/8        21      - 5/8

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 Stocks with VOLUME increases of greater than 50% Wed, Jul 16, 1997
                                                   VOL% PRICE  PRICE%
EQUITY NAME        HIGH     LOW   CLOSE   VOLUME CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE SYMB
AHMANSON         50.625  46.938  50.312    11993  +136% +3.312    +7% AHM
ALZA             31.562  30.875  30.875     5923   +59% -0.625    -2% AZA
AMER HOME PROD   83.188  79.750  79.938    23926   +82% -1.312    -2% AHP
AMGEN            60.125  58.875  60.000    74939  +154% +2.750    +5% AMGN
AMR CORP        100.375  95.125  99.500     9938   +61% +4.438    +5% AMR
APPLE COMPUTER   16.500  15.625  16.438    39422  +178% +0.500    +3% AAPL
ARCHER DANL M    23.812  22.438  23.500    29182   +67% +0.500    +2% ADM
ARMSTRONG WORLD  69.250  67.438  68.750     2622   +84% +0.625    +1% ACK
ATLANTIC RICH    69.125  67.938  69.000    11219   +73% +0.062    +0% ARC
AUTOMATIC DATA   50.188  48.750  50.188     8772   +60% +1.312    +3% AUD
BAKER HUGHES     46.250  45.250  46.062    43327  +184% +1.312    +3% BHI
BIOTECH GEN      13.000  11.938  12.938    15649   +53% +0.938    +8% BTGC
BKOOLYN UN GAS   29.625  29.188  29.625     1307   +97% +0.250    +1% BU
BOEING CO        60.500  58.125  59.625    39366   +54% +1.500    +3% BA
BOISE CASCADE    37.250  35.938  36.812     5794  +120% +0.812    +2% BCC
BORLAND           7.250   6.875   7.000     6791  +160% -0.250    -3% BORL
CAL. ENERGY CO   37.875  37.375  37.875     3154  +104% +0.000    +0% CE
CANDELA LASER C   5.875   5.625   5.625      232   +69% -0.250    -4% CLZR
CATERPILLAR      56.875  55.562  56.750    13660   +88% +1.375    +2% CAT
CHIPS & TECH     14.000  12.500  13.562    14946  +291% +0.125    +1% CHPS
CINCINATTI BELL  29.500  28.875  29.375     3448   +58% +0.750    +3% CSN
CIRCUS CIRCUS    23.125  21.500  23.000    27690  +167% +1.438    +7% CIR
CLOROX          130.875 127.875 130.188     4468  +170% +4.875    +4% CLX
COLGATE          74.375  72.562  72.562    13803   +96% -0.562    -1% CL
COMPUTER SCI     77.625  75.812  76.500     7260   +61% +1.000    +1% CSC
CONSLID STORE    38.250  37.625  38.125     6241   +71% +0.250    +1% CNS
CORNING GLASS    61.000  57.375  60.250    14875  +146% +3.125    +5% GLW
DELTA AIRLINES   88.250  84.000  87.062     8160   +57% +3.562    +4% DAL
DUPONT           63.125  61.312  63.062    32298   +78% +1.438    +2% DD
EASTMAN KODAK    69.500  67.438  68.438   167578 +1178% -8.438   -11% EK
ECHLIN           36.188  35.938  36.000     3872  +129% -0.062    -0% ECH
EGGHEAD SFTWRE    4.750   4.188   4.562     5306  +229% +0.375    +9% EGGS
FED NAT MORT     43.375  42.625  42.688    47440   +87% -0.062    -0% FNM
FEDERAL EXPRESS  60.875  59.125  60.750     5478   +97% +2.938    +5% FDX
FORD             41.875  40.375  40.375    59192  +111% -1.750    -4% F
FOREST LABS      47.500  46.625  47.500     2301   +53% +0.812    +2% FRX
GENERAL DYNAMIC  78.375  77.062  78.062     5148  +295% +0.188    +0% GD
GERBER SCI.      19.938  19.375  19.875      893  +152% +0.000    +0% GRB
GLAXO HOLDINGS   47.500  46.250  46.562    14372  +108% +0.000    +0% GLX
HEWLETT PACK     70.875  68.000  69.250    69951   +89% +1.062    +2% HWP
HILTON HOTELS    29.625  29.125  29.250    17124   +80% +0.062    +0% HLT
HONEYWELL        78.688  77.250  77.625    12709  +332% -0.875    -1% HON
INTEL            88.875  84.625  88.375   448115  +220% +7.469    +9% INTC
ITT              68.625  66.000  66.938    40357  +606% +4.312    +7% ITT
JC PENNEYS       59.000  55.812  58.188    10377   +93% +2.062    +4% JCP
KANAB SERVICES    3.812   3.688   3.688     1490  +237% -0.125    -3% KAB
KERR MCGEE       64.812  63.438  64.125     4914  +135% +0.500    +1% KMG
LILLY           116.875 110.500 113.500    21966   +69% -3.375    -3% LLY
LORAL            14.812  14.062  14.188    16737  +126% -0.250    -2% LOR
MARTIN MAR       24.438  24.000  24.375      942   +64% +0.188    +1% ML
MATTEL           35.125  34.750  34.875    18277  +119% -0.250    -1% MAT
McGRAW HILL      65.000  61.750  64.188     4056   +54% +2.812    +5% MHP
MCI COMM         37.125  36.000  36.812   154453  +249% +0.875    +2% MCIC
MICROSOFT       149.500 140.000 148.438   137799  +111% +9.969    +7% MSFT
NYS EL & GAS     25.500  24.812  25.062     7223  +321% +0.500    +2% NGE
PFIZER INC       61.375  58.188  59.188    93463  +439% -2.500    -4% PFE
QUANEX           32.750  32.375  32.562      889   +82% +0.062    +0% NX
REYNOLDS METALS  73.812  71.562  72.125     5791   +96% +0.938    +1% RLM
SONY             92.750  91.438  92.750     1593   +75% +2.000    +2% SNE
STONE CONT       16.812  16.062  16.812    11708  +107% +0.625    +4% STO
SUN MICROSYSTEM  45.125  42.500  45.000    88670   +82% +3.438    +8% SUNW
TAMBRANDS        49.938  49.875  49.875     5032   +69% +0.000    +0% TMB
TEXAS INST.     114.750 111.688 114.500    28851   +63% +5.125    +5% TXN
TIME INC         49.875  46.500  49.625    71568  +288% +4.312   +10% TWX
WASTE MANAGEM'T  31.500  30.500  31.062    38207   +94% -0.312    -1% WMX
WELLMAN INC      21.875  21.375  21.875     1905   +72% +0.500    +2% WLM
WELLS FARGO     265.500 261.000 262.875     8159   +64% -4.125    -2% WFC
WEYERHAUSOR      59.500  58.250  59.125     8289   +59% +2.125    +4% WY
WOOLWORTH        25.250  24.875  25.062    11451   +80% +0.500    +2% Z
ZENITH           12.688  12.250  12.250     6097   +90% -0.250    -2% ZE

 Stocks that have reached a NEW HIGH Wed, Jul 16, 1997
                                                   VOL% PRICE  PRICE%
EQUITY NAME        HIGH     LOW   CLOSE   VOLUME CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE SYMB
AHMANSON         50.625  46.938  50.312    11993  +136% +3.312    +7% AHM
AIR PROD & CHEM  87.000  85.625  86.750     1781    -5% +0.875    +1% APD
ALCOA            81.250  79.375  80.938     6867    +3% +1.312    +2% AA
ALLIED-SIGNAL    90.625  88.438  90.000     5812    +4% +1.688    +2% ALD
ALLMERICA FINCL  44.000  43.250  43.438     1483   +12% +0.250    +1% AFC
AMP INC          47.312  46.375  46.938     4695   -11% +0.812    +2% AMP
BAKER HUGHES     46.250  45.250  46.062    43327  +184% +1.312    +3% BHI
BEAR STEARNS     37.250  36.375  36.438     2141   -29% +0.188    +1% BSC
CHEVRON          77.625  75.750  77.562    10363    -8% +1.000    +1% CHV
COMPAQ COMPUTER 133.500 128.250 133.500    39710    -0% +6.312    +5% CPQ
CORNING GLASS    61.000  57.375  60.250    14875  +146% +3.125    +5% GLW
DOW CHEMICAL     93.000  90.875  92.500     4613   -34% +1.812    +2% DOW
GENERAL DYNAMIC  78.375  77.062  78.062     5148  +295% +0.188    +0% GD
GENERAL RE CO   195.500 194.000 194.000     1536   -13% +0.000    +0% GRN
GLAXO HOLDINGS   47.500  46.250  46.562    14372  +108% +0.000    +0% GLX
INGERSOLL RAND   63.812  62.250  63.312     2270   -34% +0.812    +1% IR
MEAD             71.688  69.125  70.625     1410   -30% +1.312    +2% MEA
MOTOROLA         90.500  87.625  89.938    37639   +18% +3.000    +3% MOT
NATIONAL SEMICO  37.562  35.812  36.000    11610   -24% -0.750    -2% NSM
NORWEST CORP     64.000  60.500  64.000     9310   +40% +2.875    +5% NOB
NOVO NORDISK     57.250  56.250  56.875       85   -10% +1.125    +2% NVO
ORACLE SYS       59.000  57.312  57.438    83631   +38% +0.969    +2% ORCL
PARKER HAN       64.625  63.250  64.188     1192   -56% +0.812    +1% PH
PERKIN-ELMER     86.125  85.062  85.688      723   -54% +0.250    +0% PKN
QUANEX           32.750  32.375  32.562      889   +82% +0.062    +0% NX
RALSTON PURINA   91.000  88.125  90.375     2323    -2% +2.500    +3% RAL
RLC CORP         15.062  14.625  14.875      349   -53% -0.062    -0% RLC
RYDER SYSTEM     35.125  34.750  34.875     1580   -37% -0.125    -0% R
SONY             92.750  91.438  92.750     1593   +75% +2.000    +2% SNE
TEKTRONIX        65.250  64.500  64.875      491   -67% +0.312    +0% TEK
TEXAS INST.     114.750 111.688 114.500    28851   +63% +5.125    +5% TXN
UNION CARBIDE    52.875  51.938  52.500     3348   -35% +0.812    +2% UK
WEYERHAUSOR      59.500  58.250  59.125     8289   +59% +2.125    +4% WY
_DOW JONES IND  8069.080 7953.640 8038.880        0  -100% +63.170    +1%  NH
_DOW TRANS      2896.540 2836.740 2894.860        0    +0% +60.470    +2%  NH
_NASDAQ COMP    1581.550 1542.070 1580.630        0    +0% +38.500    +2%  NH
_NYSE COMPOSITE 486.410 480.990 485.200        0    +0% +4.260    +1%  NH
_OEX            917.460 904.200 913.820        0    +0% +9.670    +1%  NH
_S&P 500        939.320 925.760 936.520        0    +0% +10.850    +1%  NH
_VALUE LINE GEO 438.530 434.690 438.420        0    +0% +3.790    +1%  NH

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   The 170 stocks in the HI_EPS group are among the top 15% of all stocks
in Rate of EPS Growth and Relative Performance.

 Hi EPS Growth Stocks with VOLUME increases >50% Wed, Jul 16, 1997
                                                   VOL% PRICE  PRICE%
EQUITY NAME        HIGH     LOW   CLOSE   VOLUME CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE SYMB
ALLIANCE PHARMA  37.875  37.375  37.750     3149  +110% -0.125    -0% CE
ASPECT TELECOM   26.500  24.750  26.250     8349   +51% +1.500    +6% ASPT
COMVERSE TECHNO  53.250  50.500  52.812     3931   +72% +2.188    +4% CMVT
CONSECO INC      42.250  40.688  41.188    25359   +53% -0.750    -2% CNC
HARLEY DAVIDSON  51.875  49.750  51.625     6339  +167% +1.812    +4% HDI
OCTL             27.125  23.438  26.750    26698  +253% +3.312   +14% OCTL
ROBERT HALF INT  50.562  49.500  50.562     2089   +52% +1.312    +3% RHI
SERVICE CORP IN  35.750  34.938  35.500     9656   +70% +0.125    +0% SRV
STAR BANC CORP   45.562  45.000  45.562     2876  +267% +0.688    +2% STB
SUNAMERICA INC   59.000  55.812  55.875    52665  +912% -2.188    -4% SAI
WASHINGTON MUTU  65.688  63.750  65.188    33498   +52% +1.688    +3% WAMU
ZERO CORP        28.750  26.250  28.750      489  +115% +2.625   +10% ZRO

 Hi EPS Growth Stocks that have reached a NEW HIGH Wed, Jul 16, 1997
                                                   VOL% PRICE  PRICE%
EQUITY NAME        HIGH     LOW   CLOSE   VOLUME CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE SYMB
COMVERSE TECHNO  53.250  50.500  52.812     3931   +72% +2.188    +4% CMVT
HARLEY DAVIDSON  51.875  49.750  51.625     6339  +167% +1.812    +4% HDI
HBO & CO         79.250  76.625  79.000    10538   -15% +1.625    +2% HBOC
ORACLE SYS CORP  59.000  57.312  57.438    83429   +43% +0.969    +2% ORCL
TRANSTECHNOLOGY  24.875  24.625  24.812       61   -34% +0.312    +1% TT
TREDEGAR INDS I  59.875  57.500  59.625      150    -9% +2.250    +4% TG
ZERO CORP        28.750  26.250  28.750      489  +115% +2.625   +10% ZRO

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author: Hastings UFO Society

subject: Y2K Beefalo: Of God or Of THE BEAST??

text:
}}}ave a go ronnie.

thankyou luther. we seem to be having problems channeling out to the
internet luther. can you tweak the vfo or something?

ok ronnie. give it a try now.

uh

Hello. This is Ronnie Dobbs of the Hastings UFO Society channeling to
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uh

In response to the emerging controversy surrounding the Y2K Beefalo
Evolutionary Theory being argued over to misc.rural, a Big Discussion
erupted over to the HandyJiffy among Society Members when it was
reported to them by Resident Society Skeptic Cecil Simms.

Milt Johnson, who is not a member but had stopped in for some gas and
chicken wings asked just what Cecil thought a Y2K Beefalo had to do with
the Theory of Evolution.

Cecil responded by saying that the Evolutionary argument about the Y2K
Beefalo addressed "Crucial Issues" for Rural UFOlogists and
Alienologists and Genetic Bible Scholars by presenting an Animal
Husbandry Approach(AHA) to how Applied Evolution works. He said this
could maybe "shed new SCIENTIFIC Light" on what the Aliens is up to with
them always wanting to "Have Their Way" with our American Farm
Women(AFW) in an attempt to breed ALIEN HYBRID CHILDREN(AHC) in their
UFO LOVE NESTS(ULN), and their inexplicable and POSSIBLY SATANIC
fascination with cow lips and anises, and if we are all the products of
Alien Star Seed(ASS) and such.

Society Member Bill Wiedenauer, who painted a nice sign of Jesus of The
Praying Hands that he put up on his field which sits next to State Road
13, immediately spoke up contending that "evolution is a Godless Atheist
Lie." As proof, Bill cited the statements in the bible saying it was
6000 years to Adam, and by such reckoning the earth couldn't be all that
much older, that monkeys dont give birth to men nor "vicey versy", that
no transitional fossils existed nor were any transitional forms being
produced today, that Darwin recanted his whole position on evolution on
his deathbed, and "I ain't no ape!" He adjusted the bill of his
Copenhagen Snuff baseball hat, nodded his head quickly and sat down
amidst a flurry of "AMENS", "HALLELUIAHS", and a "YOU TELLEM BILL" at
the end.

Cecil countered that if Bill was to go through Genesis backwards, he
would discover that the sundial didn't exist until about at least 2/3rds
of the way through Creation and that meant that for "any reference point
of arc transit to measure a complete revolution against  would have to
travel the circumference of the Primal Waters of at least a Cosmos. And
that would define a day in terms of incomprensibly "Big Time" compared
to solar days which could certainly yield the millions of years which
the theory called for.

Bill countered that what Cecil just said was just "so much SCIENTIFIC
doubletalk" designed to "confuse the mind."

Undeterred, Cecil then allowed as how the Gen1/Gen2 Controversy appeared
to allow for evolutionary theory in that in Gen1, man is created AFTER
the fish and in Gen2, man is created BEFORE the fish. The man created on
Gen2, according to Cecil, was on a barren planet because there weren't
no oceans, and if no oceans, he reasoned, "there couldn't be no fish."
"Thus", he said, rocking on his heels in what Society Member Ethel
Godwin described as "a Supercilious and Smug manner", we have the  image
of a "self-organizing principle" being formed in what is to be or maybe
already was the primordial ooze of the ocean floor which resulted in the
"protoform" of man to "gill" his way to the shores of Eden and wriggle
ashore and eventually "arrive" at the form we recognize as man today.

"Another Evolutionist Lie," said Bill, "show us the proof!"

"Show us your gills," said Cecil,"because I have yet to meet anybody who
can breathe seawater."

This sort of generated a flurry of accusations and counteraccusations
during which Miss Ethel tried to make a case for the Aquatic Ape or Man
bobbing on the shallow ocean floor with an elongated maxillary process
and compressed nasal bones in a fashion kind of like the dolphins with
an erectile soft-tissue tube extended "in all its God-Given Glory" like
a sort of snorkle out of the top of his head.

In what can only be described as a "stunned silence" at this last,
Society Librarian and Fund Raiser CoChairPerson Thyra Watson, who has
been helping UFO WATCH TEAM Leader Harlan U. Blount research the UFOs of
Ezekial and Elijah in the bible, said that she had come across material
by Gershom Scholem on the kabbalah that suggested that Adam himself was
considered to be an attempt at Speciation of the first of the Tribe of
Israel or Judah or something from the already existing herd of man maybe
along the lines of the Y2K Beefalo.

She added that it was general Judaic thought before, during and after
the time of The Baby Jesus that the Gen1 Adam is not Adam of Eden or
Behria but Adam Kadmon which is a kind of "protoformula" of, or for
creation which was formed in a sort of Prexistant or Prematerial stage
of Creation. She said that the Gen2 Adam is the formation of the first
appearance of man or Adam of Eden, or what the mormons refer to as "The
Dust Adam."

Miss Thyra also added that the era or epoch between the formation of
Adam of Eden and the "Sin of Adam" was and is thought by many, if not
most Judaites on the matter to be "nonmaterial" and only gaining flesh
when they was issued skins after the Sin. This, she said, coincided with
the notion of "Speciation" from the herd of man "a la" the Y2K Beefalo
maybe of the first of the line of the Tribe of Israel as opposed to Man.

Bill responded that the Kabbalah wasn't scriptural, and that he only
paid attention to "The Word of God as Revealed in the Holy Bible."

Miss Thyra allowed as how in Matthew 18:17, the Baby Jesus himself told
us to treat certain folks as Gentiles and Tax Collectors. She said that
there are no rules in the Bible which contain the exclusive rules for
treatment of Gentiles but that the rules for such treatment are to be
found in the Talmud which means that to obey "The Word of God as
Revealed in the Holy Bible" we must go outside the Bible to the Talmud
in this matter. She added that the Talmud points to the Kabbalah and the
Kabbalah points to the Bible. Miss Thyra also added that Psalm 8, among
other Scriptures in the Bible, points directly to the Kabbalah with the
use of Binah and Chocmah which are keystones to the Godhead and
explained in detail in the Kabbalah.

Bill wouldn't have no part of it saying that Miss Thyra was "twisting
the Scriptures out of context" so they would mean what she wanted them
to mean, and that the Kabbalah was of Satan, and that HE would continue
to go by "The Inerrant Word of God as Revealed in the Holy Bible" on the
matter.

This elicited another chorus of "AMENS" which Bill acknowledged with a
nod in their direction.

At this point, Harlan stood up and said that sounded all well and fine
to him as "The Word of God as Revealed in The Holy Bible" says in Psalms
90:4 and Peter 3:8 that it is 1000 earth solar years to the God Day
which elicited a hesitant "AMEN" from one of the Society Members.

Harlan then whipped out a Radio Shack SCIENTIFIC Solar Powered Pocket
Calculator and began pressing the buttons while saying that the Godly
Formula as Revealed in the Holy Bible for dating to Adam would be
roughly (365x1000)x6000 which yields 2,190,000,000 years "Amen".

A General Commotion broke out among the Society Members as a tug of war
developed over Harlan's SCIENTIFIC Pocket Calculator and other folks
were scrambling for paper and pencils. During the tumult, Cecil was
doing calculations on his own SCIENTIFIC Pocket Calculator and said that
his calculations agreed with Harlan's and stated that the figure seemed
to be "considerably more" than what even the Evolutionists claimed was
needed, "at least insofar as the Word of God as Revealed by the Holy
Bible is concerned."

"And," Cecil continued,"that is dating just to Adam of Eden."

By this time, Reverand Toby McDermott of the 1st Holiness Truth Church,
who had been notified of the growing controversy by what he later said
was "an anonymous phone call", arrived and and now held up a Bible faced
in Cecil and Harlan's general direction and loudly shouted, "I REBUKE
THEE IN THE NAME OF JESUS! BEGONE IN THE NAME OF GOD Y2K BEEFALO
SATAN!!!"

Several Society Members who were standing near Cecil and Harlan ducked
and scattered away except for Miss Thyra who was also doing the math,
and when she looked up, she quickly held up her Holy Card Bookmarker of
Our Lady of La Leche nursing The Baby Jesus at the Reverend, saying,"BY
THE MILK OF THE BLESSED BREASTS I REBUKE YOU FALSE PROPHET!!!" Cecil,
seeing this, immediately held up two pencils in the form of The Cross at
the Reverend, and Harlan made do with two chicken bones off someones
plate of Hot Wings and said the words, "I AM RUBBER AND YOU ARE GLUE!!!"

In the tense quiet of the standoff, the Reverend said, "I have heard
even your own Atheist Genetic Scientists can only trace back 6000 years
to eve."

Cecil said that if the Reverend was talking about the Genetic Eve, then
he thought the figure was more likely 200,000 years.

"HAH," replied the Reverend,"Not even your own SCIENCE can support your
Evolutionist lies. 200,000 years is not enough time that you claim you
need for evolution to have taken place."

Cecil said that the Genetic Eve, as he understood it, only accounted for
the present races of today, and didn't extend to the fossil record.

The Reverend countered that, as far as he was concerned, it was just
another Genetic Lie of the Evolutionists since no apes or monkeys he
ever heard of were giving birth to human babies.

Miss Thyra said that what she had read on the subject, that was not how
evolutionary theory is said to work. Her read on it was that evolution
takes place on successive and accumulative stages which were passed
through the filter of the natural environment, and that a trip over to
the Ag Station would show him how resistant strains of bacteria were
evolved. And since the bacteria before the application of the filter
were genetically different from the bacteria after the filter, it showed
that evolution is not just a theory, but Observable Fact.

Bill jumped in and said the fossil record didn't mean anything as no
transitional forms had been found.

Cecil responded that if that were true, that the archeoptyrix and the
Y2K Beefalo couldn't exist.

Bill rebuked Cecil by saying that, in his opinion, it would eventually
be shown that the archeoptyrix and the Y2K Beefalo are "Clever Fakes" of
the "Evolutionist Hucksters" just like the Piltdown Man and The Midwife
Toad. He said that, in his "heart of hearts", he was sure that the
archeoptyrix would be found to be like all the rest...just a single line
that died out and not transitional. And as for the Y2K Beefalo, everyone
had heard of them but he had never seen one, nor had anyone he knew ever
seen one.

He said that all most anybody had ever seen was meat patties in the
stores saying it was Beefalo...but from the looks of them, that they
could have just as easily been Ostrich patties by another name.

He then appealed to the Society Members by asking if any of them had
ever stopped by to look at the Y2K Beefalos at Beefalo Village over near
Whitehouse. He then asked for a show of hands, and when no one raised
their hands, Bill sort of stood an inch or so taller and said," I rest
my case."

Madame Thelma then spoke up saying that while both sides have made good
points, there are still "many footsteps to be taken" in terms of
accounting for all the changes in the various species. As evidence, she
cited that while many took "that nice Mr Kammerer" to task for the
Midwife Toad Scandal, the work that he had done with Tube Sponges and
Salamanders, as far as she knew, had never been challenged, and made
very strong cases, much stronger than the Midwife Toad, for a closer
look at Lemarqian schemes.

At this point, Communications Director Luther Atkins came in and
announced that he had an Urgent Communique for the Society. He had just
received information from http://www.laguiole-us.com that they are now
TEMPORARILY SOLD OUT of the the knife models 3pc11, and 3pc12. He said
the next expected delivery date for those models is January 1-10, and
said they said that if folks wanted to order them particular models now
anyway, that they could and that if they do, that their visas or other
charge cards won't be charged till they are shipped. He said they still
have other fine models available that you can get in time for Christmas,
but you better not put off visiting their site too much longer.

By this time, Harlan was outside in the Society Hudson honking on the
horn for folks who needed rides to their UFO WATCH Sites.

The meeting was immediately adjourned with the promise to take up the
subject of the Impact of Genetically Altered Grain from Crop Circle
Fields on the WTO, and European Markets, and also the organization of a
SCIENTIFIC Field Trip to Beefalo Village to see if they could actually
see a Y2K Beefalo.

This Concludes our Report.

Thankyou.

Ronnie Dobbs
President
Hastings UFO Society

NO CARRIER


author: HLAviation

subject: Re: Y2K Beefalo: Of God or Of THE BEAST??

text:
I read the whole thing as well as the last one (just started lurking the
other day), and all I can say is, can I have some?=;).  There is some diverse
reading here.


author: Bob Casanova

text:
On 12 Dec 1999 04:22:27 -0500, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by Hastings UFO Society
<[email]>:

<Excellent post snipped for bandwidth>

Welcome back, Ronnie!

(Note followups, if any)

Bob C.

Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)

"Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness
to believe, but in proportion to their readiness to doubt."
--H. L. Mencken


author: UserDemmi

text:
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author: TheThinkPadMan

subject: pcpartsGarageSale

text:
Warning Some of this parts are older but some of you might be looking
for them.

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 6mb memory module upgrade for Toshiba notebooks 610ct or
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author: OtisUsenet

subject: Timeline for medical exams for 2002 PR applicants?

text:
Hello,

I am wondering when a letter with medical exam information might be
expected for a person who sent the PR application on November 1, 2002
and received the confirmation on December 7th, 2002.
I have heard and read that this used to take a few months only, but I
was wondering if any recent  (2002) applicants who received their
medical exam information, could tell me how much time passed between
the time they had sent the application and the time they received the
letter about taking medical exams.

If it matters, the application was sent to the Buffalo, NY, USA
office.

Thank you.


author: Andrew Miller

subject: Re: Timeline for medical exams for 2002 PR applicants?

text:
You have to be patient - Buffalo is now assessing cases received in January
2002. Medicals are being done well after assessment. You have at least a
year or more of wait for medicals.


text:
first sorry if my words are not good news but:

Buffalo took almost 3 months to clear applications sent december 2001.Here
people start to talk about Dec 2001 sent applications in Dec 2002.The CIC
website just changed to applications sent in Jan 2002 in March 2003.Is almost a
month since CIC changed their word to applications sent Jan 2002 and since then
here, in this
NG i did not see a single "GOT IT" for assessment letter(Jan 2002).

      Of course that is not a perfect science but i must say things are getting
pretty bad.In Resume i may take even more then a year for you to get a word
base in the timeline this days.If i'm you,my friend, just forget about it and
enjoy your life and cross your finger for no interview.If is going to take then
around 2 months to clear a single month you still may have another 15 to 22
months (from Jan 2002 to Nov 2002 = 11 months. if take then 2 months to clear
one month ,we are taking about 11 x 2=22  sorry) just  to get you assessment
letter.These are the number now.The trick is to see how long CIC is going to
take to change their Webpage from  applications from Jan 2002 to Feb 2002 and
so on.
Again good luck and don't think to much.

Andrew Miller wrote:


author: Laurence Sheldon

subject: US 395 Beach front property?

text:
Been seeing 'quake reports from Elko, then Reno, then (a few moments
ago) a 3.5 WNW of Bishop.  Is the whole thing falling in?


subject: Re: US 395 Beach front property?

text:
It's another continental, beach front property land grab by Lex
Luthor:)


author: Jason Pawloski

subject: Re: US 395 Beach front property?

text:
On Apr 27, 6:39 pm, Laurence Sheldon <[email]> wrote:

I don't know but this is getting very scary. I felt the 4.7 on Friday
but slept through the one this morning. It seems like everyone's come
to the conclusoin that a 6.0 or worse is coming. Frankly, I'm very
scared.

I just hope I'm not at work when it happens, because if the ceiling
collapses, there's heavy machinery above me and it would guarantee my
death.


author: Andrew Tompkins

subject: Re: US 395 Beach front property?

text:
Laurence Sheldon wrote:

Hardly.  It's relatively normal to see a 4 or two on the 2-week map of
CA/NV, along with the occasional 5+ and a boat load of 3's.


author: JG

subject: Re: US 395 Beach front property?

text:
On Apr 27, 8:39 pm, Laurence Sheldon <[email]> wrote:

Another SF bay could be created, that "log flume" feeding Reno already
collapsed...a "big one" could open up a crater to Lake Tahoe and drain
the whole thing. Lt. Dangle, put on your hip boots and hard hat.

JG


author: Rich Piehl

subject: Re: US 395 Beach front property?

text:
lyon_wonder wrote:

You gonna' move to Otisville? 8^)

Take care,
Rich

God bless the USA


subject: Re: US 395 Beach front property?

text:
Andrew Tompkins wrote:

I've been seeing several 3.5-or-better a day for some time now--radio
said 150 "aftershocks".

But I was mostly trying to be funny.  Until Mammouth Lakes St. Helens.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: US 395 Beach front property?

text:
On Apr 28, 1:51 pm, JG <[email]> wrote:

What I'd rather see drained is Mono Lake, a lake without any outlets
(other than groundwater and evaporation).  It seems such a waste that
most water that ends up in Mono Lake is "stuck" there.

At least Lake Tahoe feeds the Truckee River.


subject: Re: US 395 Beach front property?

text:
Laurence Sheldon wrote:

I know  :-)

Just showing that what you are seeing is pretty much normal for the
area.  Although there are a good number in the Reno area in the last
week (the vast majority of which are in the 0, 1, or 2 range which most
people cannot feel).  15 at 3.0+, 7 at 3.5+, 4 at 4.0+.  All at less
than 2 miles depth and considered light earthquakes (even the 4.7).


author: Cameron Kaiser

subject: Re: US 395 Beach front property?

text:
[email] writes:

I'm sure the City of Los Angeles agrees with you.


author: Jonathan Powell

subject: Re: PB 170 4/40 $550 also 6 Meg ram module

text:
: Apple Powerbook 170 4/40 $550.00

: This is a 68030 processor at 25 mhz, Active Matrix Backlit greyscale
							     ^^^^^^^^^

Nope.  The 170 has an active matrix monochrome screen.

		JP


author: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS

text:
And the credit for this goes to internet users like myself who have made
americans realize that reckless drivers are killers and maimers and
should not be coddled.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290480,00.html

U.S. Traffic Deaths Fall to Five Year Low

Monday, July 23, 2007

ST. LOUIS ï¿½  Traffic deaths in the United States fell to their lowest
level in five years in 2006, and a federal agency credited strong law
enforcement and vehicle safety features as important factors in the decline.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said 42,642 people
were killed in highway crashes last year, a drop from the 43,510 in 2005.

"To me, that is 868 families that didn't get the terrible call that a
loved one was killed in a motor vehicle accident," said the agency's
administrator, Nicole Nason. She released the annual findings at the
33rd International Forum on Traffic Records and Highway Safety Systems
in St. Louis.

Her announcement was met with applause from the audience members from
around the country, who record traffic data.

(snip)


subject: Re: U.S. Traffic Deaths Fall to Five Year Low

text:
On Jul 24, 1:09 pm, [email] wrote:

True.

Older cars without air bags are replaced with cars with air bags.

More motorists wear their seat belts.

More aggressive enforcement and education against bad driving,
including DWI.

Roads are always being upgraded with various crash prevention and
crash survival technology.  For instance, on I-95 a cable barrier was
added to a wide grassy median strip.  Already stopped a few cars from
crossing over.  An old 1950s overcrowded expressway is rebuilt with
decent merge ramps and the like.


author: Larry Bud

text:
On Jul 26, 4:03 pm, "[email]" <[email]> wrote:

You're the one claiming there's too many.  How many is NOT too many?


author: John Mayson

text:
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Who knows, but I agree with him 100%.

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Austin, Texas, USA

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text:
On Jul 26, 8:21 am, Larry Bud <[email]> wrote:

How many would satisfy you???

Randy


author: Alan Baker

text:
In article <aDepi.10001$[email]>,
 Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <[email]> wrote:

Funny.

Speed limits have stay higher and traffic fatalities have dropped...


text:
On Jul 25, 3:56 pm, "[email]" <[email]> wrote:

How many deaths would satisfy you?


text:
On Jul 24, 11:53 am, "[email]" <[email]> wrote:

Kevin,

There are still too many deaths and serious injuries.

Randy


author: Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho'

text:
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
I guess you should take a bow.


text:
[email] wrote:
There's also the benefit next year that Lindsay Lohan will likely do
some serious time behind bars. That should save a few thousand more
innocents.


author: Notan

text:
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:

<snip>

Do you *really* think you had anything to do with it.

You're nothing more than an obsessed irritant.


text:
On Jul 23, 11:47 pm, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<[email]> wrote:

LOL!

And this with speed limits continuing to rise!!!  Blows every theory
you've had out of the water!


text:
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:

Did you have the doorways in your widened so that your overly inflated
self image fits through?

Take care,
Rich

God bless the USA


text:
On Jul 24, 9:15 am, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<[email]> wrote:

Actually, he's right. Speed limits have risen and average traffic
speeds have risen as well, and nothing that you've been calling for
has actually occurred (IOW, not only are there not tough jail
sentences for speeders, there are NO jail sentences for speeders, so
your campaign has accomplished nothing), therefore not only can you
*not* claim credit for lower fatalities since your platform hasn't
been put into practice, but the opposite of what you call for has
occurred, yet fatalities have fallen. It seems that doing the opposite
of what you advicate would actually cut fatalities.


author: David Johnston

text:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:47:18 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS <[email]> wrote:

Are you really dumb enough to think your rantings influence anyone?


text:
On Jul 24, 11:53 am, "[email]" <[email]> wrote:

The cuts in fatalities are, from what I've read, almost
completely unrelated to speed limits (up or down).
They're more a matter of improving automobile crash
survival technology, better highway design and
improvements in emergency trauma care technology.


text:
On Jul 24, 11:15 am, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<[email]> wrote:

LOL!  Only in your delusional mind are they not rising.