subject: Re: ant:  urge male circumcison for their notion!

text:
"Martin" <[email]> wrote in message

That should read, on the hole...........

Also it needs be reminded that bi-fags and blood-banks
introduced HIV to the white het population.

Had the CDC locked up the first few cases of gift-givers many years
ago, look at the lives and money that could have been saved.

Here we are 25+ years later and the grubment still hasn't done a thing
but pass out con-dumbs.

Don't pay your taxes and watch the grubment go into action..........
or have a 17yo girl have a baby by a church-member...........

Do you wake up in the morning and wonder why reality slaps every-one
but you in the face?


author: Death

subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

quit using that as your excuse for being a cuntboi.


author: Martin

subject: Re: Awakening Giant: Chinese researchers urge male circumcison for their nation!

text:
On Sat, 31 May 2008 21:57:45 -0500, "Death" <[email]>
wrote:

Indeed.  It's quite amusing that every Tom, Dick and Harry has an
opinion about HIVAIDS, and they all believe it's more important and
relevant than mine, which is based on actually living with the virus.


author: No One

text:
Martin <[email]> writes:

You are lying no matter how you try to spin it.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

LOL


author: Dionisio

subject:
Re: Awakening Giant: Chinese researchers urge male circumcison for
 their nation!

text:
No One wrote:

Oh, is that what you call it? Boredom.

How obsessed you seem to be with that.

(Particularly when you've been given the verbal equivalent of a wedgie the size of the
Grand Canyon...)


author: anonymous

text:
Death wrote:
Not remotely true.  It is a diasease where those sthat engage in sexual
behaviour
be they homosexual or heterosexual where blood or bodily fluids are
exchanged in ideal
conditions such as can be the case in an SM environment, analy sex, drug
needle use,
people with serious bleeding gum disease, having other sexually
transmitted diseases
including herpes where tiny microcopic sores exist in and around body
cavity or opening involving
membranes them the risk if contracting aids while engaging in such
behaviour is extremely high.
In North America, drug users homosexual or heterosexual male or female
were one of the high risk groups.
Homosexuals were another group, sports heros were also at risk as were
members of bans who had sex with a lot of groupies.

In other parts of the world there were different factors and certainly
in Africa there were cultural ritials
that involved blood and other bodily fluids that put them at risk they
they come in contact with risky people carring the disease.

No, the blood banks along with the medical professions around the world
thought it was a homosexual dissease for a few years and probably
believed that no changes to their practices were necessary.   Bi-fags
were probably monogamous so possessed a low risk.  Bloodbanks bought
blood from skidrow underprivileged people and
many were drug users looking to get cash from selling bood for their
next fix.  That was far removed from homosexualty.   Women are generally
careful with whom they have sex because STDs are much more difficult to
detect and treat in a woman.  Heterosexual white males wouldn't have gay
sex with a guy even if a gun was pointed at their temples.

Traditionally, globally, CDC type authorities are slower to move on
newer health problems or unknown health concerns or disease until more
is known and AIDS certainly fell into that category.

Most homosexual men use condoms but most heterosexual men don't want to.


text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Another no-show, just what I expected from you cuntboi.
In the 60+ or - years (your number) how many deaths have been by HIV?
Your claim is that HIV is *nearly always fatal*, well idiot prove it.

As I thought idiot/liar cuntboi.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Here ya go shitlips, point out the lie:

"Death" <[email]> wrote in message


text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I wonder, did you know the HIV test was first used to check crops?
Unless that is an ear of corn sticking out of your ass, I'd advise you to
pass
on your next test.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"Death" <[email]> writes:

... most adults would be embarassed to behave like you do.


subject: Re: A male circumcison

text:
"Dionisio" <[email]> wrote in message

I know what is coming from Noone, idiot.
I see his parents didn't use a lot of words
when he was young, but what he heard, he learned well, lol.


subject: Re:  Chinese male cum for their nation!

text:
"Dionisio" <[email]> wrote in message
...
(Particularly when you've been given the verbal equivalent of a wedgie ...

`````````````````
He wishes he had something up his ass besides his head.............


text:
On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:18:07 GMT, anonymous <[email]>
wrote:

Perhaps in the fairytale world of gay and black HIV campaigners.
However, back in the real world we discover that the majority of
HIVers are black and/or gay, and that the majority of new HIV cases
are amongst blacks and gays.

Let's have a look at the statistics from the US, for example, which is
a country that has a mixed population of blacks, whites, gays,
bisexuals and homosexuals.

<http://www.avert.org/usastatg.htm>:

----- Begin Quote -----

During 2006, 49% of all new HIV diagnoses and 49% of new AIDS
diagnoses were in black people.

[...]

Male-to-male sexual contact probably caused the majority (66%) of
infections in white people living with AIDS.

----- End Quote -----

35,180 new cases of HIV diagnosed in the US in 2006;

18,645 are believed to be via MSM contact or are MSM drug users;

17,356 are black, or at least claim to be.

Obviously some of those diagnosed HIV+ fall into more than one
category, however these figures do torpedo your "Not remotely true"
theory out of the water.

The percentages are similar in the UK, see
<http://www.avert.org/stats.htm>.  Interestingly, the ethnic figures
seem to have been removed from Avert's website.  Perhaps they are too
sensitive because they show about half of new HIVers in the UK are
black.

Raciest nonsense.

More nonsense.  And it also blows another hole in your argument.  If
gay men are more likely to use condoms, why are more than half of HIV
cases in countries such as the US and UK amongst gays?


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"Death" <[email]> writes:

Foul-mouthed idiot.
See what you just said - you even quoted your own lie.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Run along boi, some strangers dick needs sucking.
A herpe is waiting to jump down your throat.
That is foul-mouthed gloryholeboi.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Now you whine because I have sunk to your level?
hahahahahha  you are a cuntboi to be sure.


subject: Re: A male circumcison

text:
No One wrote:

Is it just me, or did that just ratchet up the funny index by a whole order of magnitude?


text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

As I thought idiot/liar cuntboi
another no-show. I see why you suck dick, you have no balls
of your own and are all mouth.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
In your opinion cuntboi but don't let that stop you.
Point out the lie with a short explanation if you can.


subject: Re: searchers urge male circumcison for their nation!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I'll take that as a No, you didn't know
and that is Not an ear of corn sticking out of your ass.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"Death" <[email]> writes:

Foul-mouthed, shameless idiot.


subject: Re: A male circumcison

text:
"Dionisio" <[email]> wrote in message
news:48476a76$0$5167$[email]...
Actually it is getting boring.
I can only stand a little girl whining for so long.


author: Emerson Wainwright

subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
On Jun 5, 8:08 pm, Dionisio <[email]> wrote:

We ought be take care when responding to No One.  She is not well.
Not only does she believe that A can equal its opposite, but she is
now saying that a person can have a dialog with himself.  Which, I
guess, is possible -- if a person is diagnosed with multiple
personality disorder.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Why should I be ashamed that you are a cuntboi, that
is your parents place.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
Emerson Wainwright wrote:

Begging your pardon, but that is hardly the astonishing revelation.

And since this is a.p.h. -- where men are men, and play with them too -- I fail to see how
you could miss the "deviance" of a man playing with "her."


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Noone doing its 12yo girl imitation.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message

LOL, point to it, idiot.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"Death" <[email]> writes:

Lying foul-mouthed idiot.

Message-ID <9XH1k.1914$[email]> (from "Death"):

: >
: > Foul-mouthed idiot.
:
: LOL, point to it, idiot.

... see? :-)


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"Death" <[email]> writes:

Foul-mouthed idiot.

As to pointing to it, just look at a random selection of your
recent posts.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I see what you snipped also cuntboi.
Doing your little-girl-wanna-be imitation again I see.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message

No, I'll look at what you responded to idiot.
Now do your worm imitation.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Thanks wormieboi


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

No balls worm


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

LOL, point to it, idiot.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

LOL cuntboi


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
Death wrote:

Now, now...

If you two can't say anything nice about one anther, could you at least be more creative?


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"Dionisio" <[email]> wrote in message

What? Throw pearls before that swine?
OK, I'll say something nice concerning Noone,

he hasn't lied in the past ten minutes, but
then he is properly eating shit off another males dick.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

point to the lie


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
No One wrote:

Oops! You were wrong, Death. Apparently he did lie...


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
No One wrote:

I don't care how many times you repeat your new word, no reward. No crackers. No
Cheez-Its. Not even a Cheeto.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"Dionisio" <[email]> wrote in message
news:48488047$0$30230$[email]...
No One wrote:

Oops! You were wrong, Death. Apparently he did lie...


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message

A simple task obviously above your ability


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
No One wrote:

Or maybe he's confused as to whether or not he lied...


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"Death" <[email]> writes:

Foul-mouthed lying idiot.
(I actually did post something that did "point" to one of his numerous
lies and he just ignored the post).


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"No One" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

A simple task obviously above your ability.
What you posted was a piece of a post and linked it to something
else in a different post, real clever cuntboi.


subject: Re: circumcison for their notion!

text:
"Death" <[email]> writes:

Foul-mouthed lying idiot.


author: Bob Lee

subject: Re: AIDS: An Explosion of the Biological Time-bomb? now on Borders.com

text:
David Wright wrote:

A preview of 3 chapters from the book "AIDS: An Explosion of the Biological
Time-bomb?" is viewable for FREE at:

http://www.bhc.edu/eastcampus/leeb/aids/index.html

The publisher demands the book not be entirely available.  For 2 months this
book was entirely viewable on the web but cannot be now.  Sorry.


author: David Wright

text:
In article <[email]>, Bob Lee  <[email]> wrote:

If this is supposed to be some sort of justification for spamming,
it's not working.

  -- David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone
     These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
       "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
                  were standing on my shoulders."


author: Ilena Rose

text:
My guess is Newsgroup Monitor-Want-a-Be Davey was the one in the front row
of his 6th grade class, waving and shouting "Teacher, Teacher, Susie snuck
in 37 seconds after the bell!" and similarly tattletaling tales to get
teachers approval ...

In article <8siquj$a60$[email]>, [email] (David
Wright) wrote:

**In article <[email]>, Bob Lee  <[email]> wrote:
**>
**>
**>David Wright wrote:
**>
**>> Not on misc.health.alternative, it's not.  That's why newsgroups have
**>> charters.  Oh, not all of them do, but I think it's pretty clear that
**>> sci.med is not intended as a channel for hawking products, too.
**>
**>A preview of 3 chapters from the book "AIDS: An Explosion of the Biological
**>Time-bomb?" is viewable for FREE at:
**>
**>http://www.bhc.edu/eastcampus/leeb/aids/index.html
**>
**>The publisher demands the book not be entirely available.  For 2 months this
**>book was entirely viewable on the web but cannot be now.  Sorry.
**
**If this is supposed to be some sort of justification for spamming,
**it's not working.
**
**  -- David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone
**     These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
**       "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
**                  were standing on my shoulders."


author: Black Cat

subject: Have any body used it. ?....... the ambrina for diabetes sex power

text:
hi!,
I have read many advertisements in google groups for a product ambrina?
(http://ambrina.com and some other webs...)
It claims to increase sex desire in women ( also for men). Have some
one used it or any body knows about it ?  It also claims to increase
sex power of men and women with diabetes.
Is it possible that, a same tab will work for both ( men and women).
I will be thankful for any advise or comments....
Blackcat
[email]


author: None Given

subject: Re: Have any body used it. ?....... the ambrina for diabetes sex power

text:
"Black Cat" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

It's a scam, don't waste your money.  If you want to turn a woman on there
are much better ways, (see below!)


author: Blash

subject:
Re: Have any body used it. ?....... the ambrina for diabetes sex
	power

text:
Black Cat  writes:

<<I will be thankful for any advise or comments....>>

    Try anchovies mixed into crunchy peanut butter........it will work just
as well........


author: Gary Woods

text:
"Black Cat" <[email]> wrote:

Anybody else's shill detector just hit the peg?

Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G


author: mike gray

subject:
Re: Have any body used it. ?....... the ambrina for diabetes sex
 power

text:
Black Cat wrote:

Every person that has tried it has died a very slow and
extremely painful death.

Other than that, and the ridiculously high price, I guess it's OK.

Doesn't do anything for sex drive, though.


author: hemyd

text:
"Black Cat"

I dunno. Noni from Tahiti increases my sex desire a lot.....

Henry.


author: BJ in Texas

subject: [SPAM] Have any body used it. ?....... the ambrina for diabetes sex power

text:
Black Cat <[email]> wrote:
|| hi!,
|| I have read many advertisements in google groups for a
|| product ambrina? (http://ambrina.con and some other webs...)
|| It claims to increase sex desire in women ( also for men).
|| Have some one used it or any body knows about it ?  It also
|| claims to increase sex power of men and women with diabetes.
|| Is it possible that, a same tab will work for both ( men and
|| women).
|| I will be thankful for any advise or comments....
|| Blackcat
|| [email]

SPAMMER


author: Alan S

text:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:03:11 GMT, Gary Woods
<[email]> wrote:

They do seem to get more blatant, or is it just that we are
getting more cynical?

This one is so obvious I didn't think it needed a rebuttal.

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.


text:
Gary Woods <[email]> wrote:
|| "Black Cat" <[email]> wrote:
||
||| I have read many advertisements in google groups for a
||| product
||
|| Anybody else's shill detector just hit the peg?
||

What peg? Took it clean off... LOL BJ


text:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:11:24 +1000, "hemyd"
<myd!!![email]> wrote:

Hi Henry

Do you have any pictures of her?

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.


text:
hemyd <myd!!![email]> wrote:
|| "Black Cat"
||
||| hi!,
||| I have read many advertisements in google groups for a
||| product ambrina?
||
||
|| I dunno. Noni from Tahiti increases my sex desire a lot.....
||

You got a picture of her to share?   :-) BJ


author: Slap

subject: Re: [SPAM] Have any body used it. ?....... the ambrina for diabetes sex power

text:
"BJ in Texas" <[email]> wrote in message
news:2Rxue.1185$[email]...
so why re-post the crap?


author: Nico Kadel-Garcia

text:
"Alan S" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

We're not cynical. We're *jaded*.....


text:
"Alan S" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

That's it, Alan! My challenge now - I will get a photo of Noni from Tahiti,
even if I have to create one!!

Henry.


text:
Slap <[email]> wrote:
|| "BJ in Texas" <[email]> wrote in message
|| news:2Rxue.1185$[email]...
||| Black Cat <[email]> wrote:
||||| hi!,
||||| I have read many advertisements in google groups for a
||||| product
||||| It claims to increase
|||
||| SPAMMER
|||
|| so why re-post the crap?

Nomore than you did... :-) BJ


text:
"BJ in Texas" <[email]> wrote in message
news:nFyue.1708$[email]...
No, I smoked the web site, the product, and what it does


text:
Slap <[email]> wrote:
|| "BJ in Texas" <[email]> wrote in message
|| news:nFyue.1708$[email]...
||| Slap <[email]> wrote:
||||| "BJ in Texas" <[email]> wrote in message
||||| news:2Rxue.1185$[email]...
|||||| Black Cat <[email]> wrote:
|||||||| hi!,
|||||||| I have read many advertisements in google groups for a
|||||||| product
|||||||| It claims to increase
||||||
|||||| SPAMMER
||||||
||||| so why re-post the crap?
|||
||| Nomore than you did... :-) BJ
|||
|| No, I smoked the web site, the product, and what it does

Go back and reread my original post paying close attention to
the URL.
If you don't see anything, try clicking on it.

:-) BJ


text:
"BJ in Texas" <[email]> wrote in message
news:k9Cue.1761$[email]...
My Apologies.  Need my reading glasses I guess.


author: Cleverly done

subject: re: Conservatives

text:
Alan the Cherub wrote:

"Oh how clever. I malign you for your incessant one-note unfunny
bullshit, and you come straight back, not two weeks later, with a
claim that I have no original thoughts.

Goodness, sir, your wit is as sharp as a bowl of pea-soup. And it does
provoke the same reaction in the nether-quarters."

Heaven forbid that I hinder you sharply in the nether-quarters.  Pretty well
put you on the public dole, I'd suspect.

--Cleverly Done


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
Skipper wrote:

Tell me more. It seems you have some expierience in this area.


subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
Skipper wrote:

Now where would a tiny chicken get Kool cigarettes? Sounds like animal
abuse. Are you into animal abuse Skipper?


subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
Skipper wrote:
. Are you into animal abuse Skipper?
 In article <[email]>
Skipper wrote:

Shame on you!


subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
Skipper wrote:

Your own seizures cause you to write? What's that called?


subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
Skipper wrote:

I don't know. I've never met Grand. I can't say who Grand goes with,
( male or female).

Anyting else would be assuming that ine's screen name actually has
some relationship to the reality of the individual in all cases. So
that would make you the captain of a boat or a lover of peanut butter
or a child who likes to skip rope.


author: Skipper

subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
In article <zPJXi.2188$[email]>, Cleverly
done <[email]> wrote:

On behalf of fine pea soup everywhere, and I'll include pea soup fog in
that, great offense is taken at your comparison of Hopeless to pea
soup.


subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
In article <[email]>,
<"[email]"> wrote:

By continuing to climb up an elephant's ass.


author: boots

subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
"[email]" <[email]> wrote:

Get a room you two, and take a ewe too.


subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
In article <[email]>,
<"[email]"> wrote:

I suppose I am, since I have to expose your lack of intellect. Some
people would call if unfair, others, abuse.


subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
In article <[email]>,
<"[email]"> wrote:

Not even a very creative cut of my post to obscure the fact that by
putting you in your place intellectually, I'm potentially abusing a
dumb animal. How bestial of you.


subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
In article <[email]>,
<"[email]"> wrote:

Either you're working very hard at appearing abysmally dumb, or you
don't get out much.

Grand Mal goes with...? (Answer - hopefully not you.)


author: John Ashby

subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
"[email]" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Epigramlepsy

john


subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
In article <[email]>,
<"[email]"> wrote:

So you're a tiny chicken who smokes Kool cigarettes? Or eats them?


author: Grande Mal

subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
"Skipper" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Do you give any thought to what you write?


subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
"[email]" <[email]> wrote:

Puck humor.  The ambulance driver gets out, and looks around, takes a
fat cigar out of his mouth, and says "Oh. My. Gawd."


subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
"John Ashby" <[email]> wrote:

There's nothing like a rousing game of scrabbelepsy before bed to set
one snoring.


subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
In article <[email]>, John Ashby
<[email]> wrote:

That's funny. I notice "Koolchick" didn't manage to comment, which is
also funny.


subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
In article <dEOXi.4253$8S5.1444@edtnps82>, Grande Mal
<[email]> wrote:

Do you give any thought to your seizures?


author: Josh Hill

subject: Re: Conservatives

text:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:11:59 -0800, Skipper <[email]>
wrote:

The mind boggles.


author: TruckingNoob

subject: MICHIGAN

text:
Okay, in Michigan and looking for a trucking company.

 Have recently "re-graduated" from a training college/school. was out of the
industry for 8 years hence why I re-took training. seems 99% of the trucking
companies want the little diploma.

Anyhow. Yes, I'd love local work, would enjoy regional, and expect that for
my first 3 months to 1 year I'll end up having to do OTR.

 NO.. I don't want long draw out talks.. i just want ideas on some good
companies that seem to travel to and from and may be based out of Michigan
that you might be familar with.

thanks.


author: Rocky

subject: Re: MICHIGAN

text:
"TruckingNoob" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

By "little diploma" I think you mean the certificate from the truck driving
school.  Nice term.

Sorry, I don't know that much about this place, but from the driver I spoke
to, he sounded happy with it and it covers Michigan.
 http://www.nussbaum.com


author: Gashauler

subject: Re: MICHIGAN

text:
"TruckingNoob" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Look for companies that make their revenue from other than the truck. That
might help.


author: realitytrucker

subject: Re: MICHIGAN

text:
TruckingNoob wrote:

Email me.  I was in a similar situation.  I'll tell you what I did.


subject: Re: MICHIGAN

text:
"Rocky" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

  Thanks for the reply. Unfortunatley, they want me to have 2 years of
recent experience. But hey, at least I got a reply. Thanks. :-)


subject: Re: MICHIGAN

text:
"realitytrucker" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
the
trucking
for
Michigan

I'll tell you what he did, he went to work for USA Truck.


subject: Re: MICHIGAN

text:
"TruckingNoob" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
" The person you just responded to or talked about is Roger Wittekind. The
majority of this group has chosen not to respond to this person for his
constant delusional postings and repeated violations of the "Acceptable Use
Policy" for Giganews. Mr. Wittekind will nymshift and use fraudulent names
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author: "f'd by GASHAULER"

subject: Re: MICHIGAN

text:
"Gashauler" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Dave Ruff/Gashauler has been FUCKING with this newsgroup since December 16,
2003 when he falsely accused me of defending Richard.

The truth is, I would not attack Richard and Dave Ruff twisted that to into
what he wanted it to be.

On December 30, 2003 realityTrasher would join him with his "Defending
Richard BULLSHIT" and they have stopped at nothing to bullshit all over me
from that day on.

There was a one letter typo in a post of mine and before I knew it they
started all sorts of BULLSHIT about my CDL.  People would take a look at
this newsgroup and say things like all it is, is an argument over who has a
CDL or not.  Dave Ruff and Tim have basically reduced this newsgroup to
rubble and they are BOTH trying it again!

They, Dave Ruff/Gashauler and Tim/realityTrasher have not stopped the stupid
game they started on me back in December 2003 and I doubt if they will as
long as poster feed them.  Please, do not feed the trolls.

You best bet is not to reply to them at all.

More about Dave Ruff and how he and his butt brother realityTrasher have
tried their best to fuck up this newsgroup can be found at:
 http://misc.transport.trucking.justicegonewild.com/


author: DraggonFodder

subject: Union made a killing on GM IPO - Taxpayers now so much

text:
Obambi payed the union handsomely with stock options that they have
already started selling.  They have sold a third of them already on
will sell the rest to make big bucks.  Taxpayers will have to see GM
at $55 bucks or more to break even.  I call it criminal but Libs will
call it totally normal practice.  So this shows how you pay for
votes.  I still think GM is a two dollar stock and the unions better
sell quick or they may not make as much as they wanted.

DraggonFodder


subject: Re: Union made a killing on GM IPO - Taxpayers now so much

text:
On Nov 26, 11:57 pm, Lubow <[email]> wrote:

Haven't listened to the radio all week.  The pension funds were not
funded and the Union was liable for them.  Now that there is money in
there, it is the same as a payoff.  You have, as usual, taken an all
or nothing view (left only) and I am just passing on what is in the
news and adding my flavor to it.  Different pots of money is the
criminals way of saying that they took it but you can't pin it on
them.  I worked for the federal gov and I just shook my head at the
different pot of money stuff that drove our debt sky high.  When you
beg for more money (even though you have a ton of it in a fund you
don't use) it is my opinion that you are stealing.  So, at the end of
the year you are 50K in the hole and you have 75K in a misc fund but
you spend the 75K on new desks and computers and paper and msic stuff
and end the year 50K in the hole.  Do that a few years with your
household money and see where it leads... I digress,  you think anyone
with a different opinion than you, must be listening to hate radio or
some such nonsense.  But, you are fun to read so keep it coming.

DraggonFodder
They are going after seniors next.  Saw it in the news, not talk
radio.


author: Lubow

text:
On Nov 27, 2:45 pm, DraggonFodder <[email]> wrote:

So the point is that it's better for the country when the hedge funds
get access to IPOs over the workers and the small investors?


text:
On Nov 28, 9:46 am, Lubow <[email]> wrote:

Nope, if you buy on the open market, you can sell whenever.  If you
are part of the IPO, then you must have a waiting period to cash in.
Just because they are libs and voted for Obambi, they should not get
special treatment.  I call this treatment, payoff.  If this was a
conservative group, you would be in the front yelling, screaming and
whatever, but bending rules for libs is just normal.

DraggonFodder


text:
On Nov 28, 4:40 pm, "VegasNightOwl" <[email]>
wrote:

If seeing that factory workers have their health care plan funded is
the worst the SEC could do, I think it's great.

On the other hand we could have Chris Cox back running the SEC which
means making the SEC a wholly owned subsidiary of  the GSs, Madoffs,
Bilzerians and Posners of the world.


author: ausound

text:
DraggonFodder <[email]> wrote in news:24f64797-1cda-4de9-b6f3-
[email]:

whaaaaat? aren't lockup periods typically like 6 months? on IPO's??


author: Charlie Perrin

text:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:49:58 -0800 (PST), DraggonFodder wrote:

The UAW did not sell GM stock. The UAW Retiree Medical Benefits Trust
sold GM stock. The UAW Retiree Medical Benefits Trust is  a Voluntary
Employees' Beneficiary Association (VEBA). There are good tax and
business reasons to use a VEBA instead of paying benefits directly.

I'll let you do your own research, you may learn something.


text:
On Nov 26, 7:29 pm, DraggonFodder <[email]> wrote:

So it was not the UAW but the workers' health plan that benefited by
selling GM stock?  So how come you wrote that "Union made a killing?"

I have a hunch that hate radio (which you erroneously call, "truth"
radio) led you to believe it was the UNION that sold the stock.  Then
on Charlie's prodding you actually spent five minutes to look into the
matter and realized the hatemongers made a fool of you again.

Do yourself a favor. If you really have to repeat all you hear on hate
radio, repeat it in a hate radio newsgroup, not in misc.invest.stocks.


text:
On Nov 27, 6:16 am, "VegasNightOwl" <[email]>
wrote:

I don't know about a bandit but I think the workers made out like a
Paul Bilzerian, Victor Posner or a Henry Kravis.

Good for them!


text:
On Nov 27, 8:39 am, Lubow <[email]> wrote:

Wait a minute... those guys ARE bandits!


author: VegasNightOwl

text:
"DraggonFodder" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
On Nov 28, 9:46 am, Lubow <[email]> wrote:

Nope, if you buy on the open market, you can sell whenever.  If you
are part of the IPO, then you must have a waiting period to cash in.
Just because they are libs and voted for Obambi, they should not get
special treatment.  I call this treatment, payoff.  If this was a
conservative group, you would be in the front yelling, screaming and
whatever, but bending rules for libs is just normal.

DraggonFodder

Bending rules?  They've been broken by this arrangement.  Anybody else
would've done this and the SEC would've been all over their asses.

VegasNightOwl


text:
"Lubow" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
On Nov 28, 4:40 pm, "VegasNightOwl" <[email]>
wrote:

If seeing that factory workers have their health care plan funded is
the worst the SEC could do, I think it's great.

On the other hand we could have Chris Cox back running the SEC which
means making the SEC a wholly owned subsidiary of  the GSs, Madoffs,
Bilzerians and Posners of the world.

Unfortunately, the taxpayers are on the hook for this.  It may look like
it's all square but it's not.  The smoke and mirrors by everybody involved,
outside of the taxpayers, is astounding.  GM stock will have to go to $114
to be even with the taxpayers.  Quite frankly, I'm having a hard time
picturing it going above $45.

The SEC needs to become an entity with checks and balances within itself so
it doesn't become a back pocket card by investment firms and trading houses.
The laws are there to be enforced equally.  I know.  It sound corny and
honest, but if done properly, it can be done, and effectively.

VegasNightOwl


text:
On Nov 26, 4:09 pm, ausound <[email]> wrote:

Yes, but they suspended the rules.  The Unions can sell as much as
they want, when they want.  Our government, sold one third and will
not sell the rest for at least 6 months.  Lockup periods obviously
don't apply if the government is in control.

DraggonFodder
What a system.


text:
On Nov 26, 5:33 pm, Charlie Perrin <[email]> wrote:

The article that I read stated that (The union's health care and
pension trust fund earned $3.4 billion through the sale of one-third
of its shares in GM last week.).  Sounds like they sold some stock.

DraggonFodder


text:
"Lubow" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
On Nov 26, 7:29 pm, DraggonFodder <[email]> wrote:

So it was not the UAW but the workers' health plan that benefited by
selling GM stock?  So how come you wrote that "Union made a killing?"

I have a hunch that hate radio (which you erroneously call, "truth"
radio) led you to believe it was the UNION that sold the stock.  Then
on Charlie's prodding you actually spent five minutes to look into the
matter and realized the hatemongers made a fool of you again.

Do yourself a favor. If you really have to repeat all you hear on hate
radio, repeat it in a hate radio newsgroup, not in misc.invest.stocks.

Call it what you want, but from reading this, they made out like a bandit.
Plus I'm sure all of the proceeds went directly to the health care and
pension trust fund. ;)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/nov/25/gms-union-on-road-to-recovery-after-stock-sale/

VegasNightOwl


text:
"Lubow" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
On Nov 27, 8:39 am, Lubow <[email]> wrote:

Wait a minute... those guys ARE bandits!

Poncho Villa, Jesse James, John Dillinger, et al.  You get the point.

VegasNightOwl


text:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 16:29:39 -0800 (PST), DraggonFodder
<[email]> wrote:

The UAW Retiree Medical Benefits Trust (the VEBA) is a different legal
entiity from the UAW union. They have different pots of money, for one
thing, and what's in the VEBA has to be used for employee benefits.


author: John Albert

subject: Re: Acela/Electric Testing

text:
HaRRy wrote:
<< Acela EXPRESS will make the trip in slightly over 3 hours (3 hours 3
minutes was the last figure I saw, but I've also seen 3 hours 9 minutes
mentioned -- in any case about 3 hours).  This reflects it's limited
stops and higher speeds along much of the route, particular in curves,
and includes running at only current speeds between NHV and NYP (though
by the time it starts running, Amtrak may have negotiated higher speeds
in that segment).
  I really don't see any significant reason that Acela EXPRESS will not
perform up to these expectations as has been well documented >>

  It isn't going to be 3 hours and 3 minutes. Or 3 hours and 9 minutes.
  I had the pleasure of speaking to someone "in a position to know", and
he mentioned the following "running times" that he had been given for
the Acela high-speed train (numbers that, to my knowledge, have not been
"placed before the public and the press" yet):
  Boston to New Haven - 2 hours, 4 minutes
  New Haven to New York - 1 hour, 21 minutes
  Do the arithmetic.
  And remember, these are "paper running times". What will the *actual*,
"let's try it and see" times be?
  I don't think that *anyone* can predict that figure with concrete
accuracy yet - until the wire project is completed, until the trains are
here, and until they've operated a few "full dress rehersals" running
from NYC to Boston and back in "real time", out "among the other
traffic" that populates the New Haven line and Shoreline.
  Yes, they've indeed been testing at high speeds between Philly and
D.C., and also up towards Newark. But bear in mind that these tests are
run in the middle of the night, with ALL other traffic in between the
high-speed test points blocked from operating on adjacent tracks. It's
easy to hit 150mph when there's nobody else out there.
  But - to my knowledge - they have yet to conduct much "real-world"
testing, during normal operating hours. This is due partly to
operational limitations imposed by the FRA and others - I believe the
train is only allowed to operate around 90mph "among other trains". And
the train has yet to operate under its own power between New York and
New Haven, even at "regular" speeds.

  Then, and ONLY then, will it be seen what kind of a schedule can be
maintained "in the real operating environment". Even if all the
technical problems currently bedeviling the Acela are overcome, it will
face the biggest single problem out there - OTHER TRAINS in the way.

  I suspect that most readers of this posting live in or near an urban
area...
  A question for you all:
  Pick any major highway artery where you live.
  Drive from point A to point B at 8:30 in the morning.
  Then, drive it at 3:30 in the morning.
  Which trip takes longer? Why? What has changed?
  You are in the same car. Same road. Same driver. Same driving
abilities.
  But my guess is that the 8:30am trip will take a little - or a lot -
longer.
  The factor that "changed" was the introduction of other traffic around
you. Regardless of how well *your* car is running, and how well that
*you* are driving that particular trip, your trip times will be impacted
by the behaviour of other drivers and traffic that you cannot control.

  So it will be with the Acela train, particularly between New York and
Boston.
  Running from Penn to South Stations will be like running a gauntlet of
opposing trains, not to mention slower trains operating in the same
direction that may get into your way. This will be as daunting a problem
on MBTA territory as it will be on Metro-North. There will be "good
days", of course. But there will be just as many, um.... "not-so-good"
days out there, with problems cropping up and down the line.
  Bear in mind that an operating schedule placed before the public
serves as a "best estimate" of reliable running times that can be
achieved on a daily basis. Publish one that's overly optimistic, and
you're going to have trouble fulfilling it. In order to be considered
reliable and believable, you must put forth a schedule that can be
*achieved*, say, 75% of the time.
  I recall a couple of years back hearing from someone who had been to
the planning sessions state that - in order to meet the proposed
"3-hour" schedule - *every* other train that might conflict with the
Acela would have to "move out of the way" precisely at the right
moments. Otherwise, you just weren't going to make it.
  But - how often in the real world does this happen?
  There are one or two enginemen from Metro-North who read and post here
regularly. If you don't believe me, ask *them*: how many "perfect days"
does one experience "out there" on the New Haven (or Hudson) Line?

  I think that even the 3 hour, 25 minute schedule (did you add up those
numbers?) is optimistic. The planners do their work "on paper" - looking
at the timetable speeds, and suggesting that they can get from point A
to point B in xx amount of minutes. But because they are "desktop"
engineers, and *not* locomotive enginemen, they miss some of the
realities of actual operation.
  This is why I suggest that the actual running times will prove to be
slightly less optimistic than their "paper proposals".
  As "the proof is in the pudding" (which must be tasted before it is
declared good), the Acela must be *tested* under "full-dress rehersal
operational conditions" before its schedule can be declared believable.
  And - after having conducted such tests (they *are* planning a series
of "acutal condition tests" before they put the train into service, I
would hope) - my prediction is that Amtrak will publish a New
York-to-Boston schedule of approximately 3 hours and 40 minutes for the
new non-stop train (give or take a few minutes).
  Perhaps over several years, they may be able to gradually tighten
those times, but it will indeed *take years*, requiring the virtual
reconstruction of the New Haven line. But for their "opening roll" -
those are the numbers. You read it here first (grin).

Cheers!
- John
(AMT/ex-CR/CSX - but not NS (or Acela) - engineman)


author: HaRRy

subject: Re: Acela/Electric Testing

text:
On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:09:22 GMT, John Albert <[email]> wrote in
misc.transport.rail.americas:

ï¿½Yes, they've indeed been testing at high speeds between Philly and
ï¿½D.C., and also up towards Newark. But bear in mind that these tests are
ï¿½run in the middle of the night, with ALL other traffic in between the
ï¿½high-speed test points blocked from operating on adjacent tracks. It's
ï¿½easy to hit 150mph when there's nobody else out there.

We can ignore most of your message because the above simply isn't true.  The
150 (and above) testing was conducted in the day time in RI, along the only
portion of the route that was ready for 150 mph, with all the other traffic not
disrupted.  I was corrected, by someone actually on the test runs, after I
erronously posted that it was done at night.

You too may say "never mind" now.


author: Wes Leatherock

subject: Re: Acela/Electric Testing

text:
On Sat, 11 Dec 1999, John Albert wrote:

      [ ... text deleted ... ]

     Santa Fe employee timetables had this special instruction:

     "Except as otherwise provided, first class trains inferior
by right or direction must clear the time of trains Nos. 11, 12,
17, 18, 21, 22, 211 and 212 not less than five minutes.  Second
class, extra trains and yard engines must clear the time of Nos.
11, 12, 17, 18, 21, 22, 211 and 212 not less than ten minutes."

     I believe Rock Island special instructions had similar
rules for the Rockets.

Wes Leatherock
[email]


author: Larry Caldwell

subject: Fire Blight

text:
I have a couple apple trees infected with fire blight.  I want to prune
the diseased limbs off, and know I should disinfect my pruning tools to
keep from spreading the disease to healthy trees.

So what do I use to disinfect the tools?  Paint thinner?  I have a big
propane burner, but don't want to take the temper out of my tools or melt
fiberglass handles.


author: JimiFromMI

subject: Re: Fire Blight

text:
According to Kains: "Five Acres and Independence":

   " ...both the tool and the wound should be well sterilized by wiping with
a rag or a sponge kept wet with a solution of corrosive sublimate (mercuric
chloride) made by dissolving a tablet of the chemical in a pint of warm
water".

This stuff is corrosive (eats metal if left moist indefinitely) so mix in a
glass, wood or ceramic container.  It is also poisonous and being that the
book was originally published in 1935, perhaps a more suitable treatment
exists today.

BR,

DVK


author: Treemonkey

subject: Re: Fire Blight

text:
To Whom it May Concern:
I came across your post it the newsgroups and figured I would help. I'm a
certified arborist in the rocky mountain region and a city licensed. Also I
am one of thirteen city employees that are  Cert. arborist. But anyway there
are a few types of things you can use you can pour bleach and water mixed on
it takes a few to work when dry it's safe to trim or you can use rubbing
alcohol but the best and easiest is a good old can of LYSOL and spray
between each and every cut so that you do not move the fire blight
throughout the tree and also when you move on to a new tree. If you need
more info the International Society of Arboriculture is a great place to
lots of info on pruning and the proper ways to do it. Good Luck
news:[email]...


author: Mahsamatman

subject: Re: Fire Blight

text:
Bleach at 1/4 cup per gallon.  If you cut into uninfected wood (which is the
only way to prune the disease out) you won't transmit fireblight with your
tools anyway.  The bleach is a precaution in case you screw up and prune in
the wrong spot.

A 90% or more pure solution of alcohol will also work and is less corrosive.
Not always at hand, and flammable, though, so the bleach is the best bet.

Rinse and oil the tools when you're all done.


author: Don Staples

subject: Re: Fire Blight

text:
Larry, the nursery folks down here use full strength alcohol, making sure to
clear off any debris on the blade as well.

"Larry Caldwell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Jan Flora

subject: Re: Fire Blight

text:
In article <[email]>, Larry Caldwell
<[email]> wrote:

Use a strong bleach solution. Dip the tool between each cut. Burn the
prunings. Fire blight is a real PITA. Bees can spread it when they
pollinate, IIRC.

Okay, this is out of a Rodale gardening book: it's a bacterial disease, spread
by rain and insects into flowers, where it spreads throughout the tree.
... Cut diseased branches 3-12" below infected area during dormant season
(depending on plant size).

   Jan (a Master Gardener)


subject: Re: Fire Blight

text:
I'm not sure why I didn't see the other responses at first, but Bleach has
my vote!

with
(mercuric
a
melt


author: Kelly E Jones

subject: Re: Fire Blight

text:
In article <[email]>,
Don Staples <[email]> wrote:

Full-strength (100%) alcohol is not generally a good sanitizer; oddly
enough, a 70%-90% alcohol solution (with water) is better.  'Rubbing
alcohol' is usually a 70% isopropyl alcohol solution.

Kelly


author: Terry Lomax

subject: Re: Why are people so RUDE at the grocery store???

text:
[newsgroups trimmed.  It's not a good idea to include
alt.support.childfree in a crosspost]

Rod Speed wrote:

A local store has a terrible setup for an express lane: it's the one
lane in which people can purchase tobacco products.  Found out the hard
way.  Had four or five items and saw the "express" lane open.  In front
of me was a woman (of course) with definitely more than the 10 maximum
items.  As she took out an endless collection of items from her cart, I
turned back to the person behind me in line (a man with very few
items), and said in a raised voice: "So much for the 10 items or less!"
He snickered.  The woman turned around and calmly pointed out that she
had to be in this line to get tobacco.  She bought a few cans of
chewing tobacco.  I was probably fortunate she was so calm, as nicotine
addicts usually have short tempers.  When it was finally my turn, the
clerk said the usual fake "How are you?"  Pretending he meant for me to
answer literally, I said, "Fine, except for having to wait behind
someone with a million items in the 'express' lane!"  I told him, "Too
bad management doesn't make the express line anywhere else than the
tobacco line!"

[snip Nilkids' suggestions at countering express line violations]

A rather new Walmart did something good with their express lines: the
counters are ultra-short.  Good idea, though people might be able to
fit more than 10 tiny items.

I pay most of my water bills in person.  They don't offer electronic
auto-pay.  The water office is so close to where I often have other
errands, the cost of going in person is that of driving about a quarter
of a mile, plus starting the vehicle one extra time.  This cost is less
than the 40 cents or so it'd cost to mail the bill.

Regarding the rude people in grocery stores, recently someone wrote a
controversial letter to the editor that offended a lot of readers.  The
letter complained about retired people who shop on evenings and
weekends, clogging up the aisles for the people with jobs who HAVE to
shop on evenings and weekends.  The letter requested that retired
people shop during the day on weekdays when most working people are at
work.  The old people fired back with belligerent replies, saying
they'll shop when they want.

In my experience, old people, especially old women, are the rudest.
Many old couples walk slower than snails, side by side to block the
aisle.  They take forever to choose items, and they fondle every piece
of produce with their filthy hands, sometimes dropping fruit and
vegetables on the ground.

I try to shop when households with children are most likely to be at
home having dinner.  This cuts down on some married couples as well.
Young single people without children behave the best.

The worst is when I'm able to shop during the day on a weekday,
thinking the kids are in school, only to find there's no school that
day and the stores are overrun with hyperactive children whose mothers
let them misbehave.

It would be good to know when Mother's Day is, so I could shop for
groceries a day or two before Mother's Day.  In case anyone isn't up
with the lingo, "Mother's Day" is slang for when the welfare queens get
their welfare checks and/or food stamps.


author: Bob Ward

text:
On 17 Jan 2005 18:23:44 -0800, "Terry Lomax" <[email]>
wrote:

They don't have to offer electronic auto-pay - the bank will mail them
a check (at no additional cost to you) if they don't take direct
transfers.


author: Sheldon Jolson

subject: Re: CPP Will Break Many Canadians

text:
In article <5npgch$jn7$[email]>,
ranoot@***uniserve.com says...

It is difficult to say whether the Canadian or American
retirement programs will go bankrupt first.  The problem
for each is the government's failure to listen to recognized
authorities on the issue.  But that, I suppose, is the lot
of the politician.

						- sbj -


author: Doobie Keebler

subject: FOX News: Cheney Indicted by Texas Grand Jury

text:
First goes Senator Stevens: next up, Vice President Cheney.

FOX reports:
 . . .Cheney is charged with engaging in an organized criminal
activity related to the vice president's investment in the Vanguard
Group, which holds financial interests in the private prison companies
running the federal detention centers. It accuses Cheney of a conflict
of interest and "at least misdemeanor assaults" on detainees because
of his link to the prison companies.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/11/18/cheney-gonale-indicted/

.
.

BBC reports:
. . . A Texas grand jury has charged US Vice-President Dick Cheney for
"organised criminal activity" related to alleged abuse of private
prison inmates.

. . . The indictment says Mr Cheney - who has invested $85m (£56m) in
a company that holds shares in for-profit prisons - conspired to block
an investigation.

. . . The indictment has not been seen by a judge, who could dismiss
it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7737093.stm

.
.

With Eric Holder the presumptive AG, how many of the Old Guard at DoJ
who held their powder during Ashcroft's and Gonzo's reign of terror
will now step up? This is gonna get real interesting.

Some days you just gotta sit back and smell the shadenfruede.

.-=d00b
..


subject: AP News: 'Arraignment set for Cheney, Gonzales in Texas'

text:
On Nov 19, 7:12 pm, John Galt <[email]> wrote:

Arraignment set for Cheney, Gonzales in Texas
By CHRISTOPHER SHERMAN – 11/19/2008

RAYMONDVILLE, Texas (AP) — A Texas judge has set a Friday arraignment
for Vice President Dick Cheney, former U.S. Attorney General Alberto
Gonzales and others named in indictments accusing them of
responsibility for prisoner abuse in a federal detention center.

.
- more -
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6121865.html

Oddly, the sound of laughter was conspicuously absent at the
proceedings . . .

.-=d00b
.
.


author: Full Speed Ahead

subject: Re: FOX News: Cheney Indicted by Texas Grand Jury

text:
On Nov 19, 3:51 pm, Doobie Keebler <[email]> wrote:

- http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/11/18/cheney-gonale-indicted/

- Some days you just gotta sit back and smell the shadenfruede.

Guerra sounds like a really, um, dedicated guy:

"After Guerra's office was raided as part of the investigation early
last year, he camped outside the courthouse in a borrowed camper with
a horse, three goats and a rooster. He threatened to dismiss hundreds
of cases because he believed local law enforcement had aided the
investigation against him."


author: David Johnston

text:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:51:18 -0800 (PST), Doobie Keebler
<[email]> wrote:

Too indirect.  It will never hold up at trial.


author: BradGuth

text:
On Nov 19, 12:51 pm, Doobie Keebler <[email]> wrote:

Perhaps they can use testicle electrocution and waterboarding to get
the truth out of Dick Cheney.

How many billions of our hard earned loot can BHO nationalize away
from Cheney?

 ~ BG


text:
On Nov 19, 1:28 pm, Doobie Keebler <[email]> wrote:

Toilet paper ?

 ~ BG


author: Ken

text:
On Nov 19, 12:51 pm, Doobie Keebler <[email]> wrote:

But ya just can't believe everything FAUX NOISE reports
OK I see the BBC reported it too so apparently FOX wasn't using
Badhdad Bob as it's source


author: Jerry Kraus

text:
On Nov 19, 2:51 pm, Doobie Keebler <[email]> wrote:

So, does this mean that Cheney is heading for the Big House?  Somehow,
I doubt that.


author: St Louis Bob

text:
On Nov 19, 3:19 pm, Jerry Kraus <[email]> wrote:

Jerry...I have resigned myself to at least knowing the ENTIRE WORLD
knows that Cheney is a rotten son of bitch , crook.  If he was black
in Texas he would be put to death by now.


text:
On Nov 19, 3:19 pm, Jerry Kraus <[email]> wrote:

Big house? Certainly not.

Better he should share Nixon's legacy.

May history record the man he truly was.

.-=d00b
.


author: kim

subject: Re: AP News: 'Arraignment set for Cheney, Gonzales in Texas'

text:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:48:02 -0800 (PST), Doobie Keebler
<[email]> wrote:

With all the money Cheney has, I doubt if he has to poke his head in
court for the entire proceedings.  Gonzo's attorneys are being paid by
you and me...


author: adam russell

text:
"David Johnston" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Just like "Only Nixon could go to China", "only texas could indict cheney".


author: John Galt

text:
Jerry Kraus wrote:

Well, yea.

They've been interviewing various legal beagles (Law School Deans, etc.)
on the radio down here in Houston about it. They've all read the
documents, and suffice to say that they all think the grand jury in
Willacy has lost their collective minds if they think it won't get
laughed out of court.

JG


author: Harold Burton

text:
In article
<[email]>,
 Jerry Kraus <[email]> wrote:

As much as Rush was.  :-)


text:
In article <pQ2Vk.344275$[email]>,
 John Galt <[email]> wrote:

Bingo!


author: J

subject:
Re: "LIONEL......I'm Home! Get on your Red Corset".......yells little
	Paco

text:
On Aug 10, 10:37 am, [email] (The Doctor) wrote:

You little prick!! Badmouthing me when I wasn't here to defend
myself.

You're a pro-zionazi retard.


author: The Doctor

text:
In article <[email]>,
J  <[email]> wrote:

TRoll JQ!


author: The Demon of Mockery

subject:
Re: "LIONEL......I'm Home! Get on your Red Corset".......yells little
  Paco

text:
Hail Eris! The Idiot wrote:
<snip>

No, you really are retarded, at least in your posts. That you're
pro-Zionazi is, of course, known fact.

Snarky


text:
In article <[email]>,
The Demon of Mockery  <[email]> wrote:

Into the nitorgen vat with you fully!!


author: EconomicDemocracy Coop

subject: Open Letter to Obama to Support Single-Payer Health Care

text:
"Single payer reform, as embodied in these bills, would eliminate the
bewildering patchwork of private insurance plans with their exorbitant
overhead and profits, as well as the costly paperwork burdens they
impose on providers. These savings on bureaucracy - nearly $400
billion annually [sic] – are sufficient to cover all of the uninsured
and to provide first dollar coverage for all Americans. No other
approach can provide comparable coverage at a cost our nation can
afford."

"..a kinder, gentler public option would quickly fail in a health care
marketplace where competition involves a race to the bottom, not the
top, where insurers compete by NOT paying for care. But HHS Secretary
Sebelius has made clear that any public option will be far worse than
that, specifically crafted to prevent it from evolving to a single
payer. This kind of public option would amount to a government-run
clone of private insurance, reproducing the worst features of private
plans."

= = =

Open Letter to President Obama to Support Single-Payer Health Care

Dear President Obama:

We are physicians from across the spectrum of our profession; primary
care doctors and specialists, public health experts and
administrators. We work in hospitals and clinics, private practices
and universities, corporations and public agencies. Some of us are
young, still in training; others are greatly experienced, and some
have held senior positions in American medicine.

We applaud you for reopening the national discussion of health care
reform, and enthusiastically endorse your call for reform that would
assure universal, comprehensive coverage at an affordable price, while
improving the quality of care. Yet we are dismayed by recent
developments in Washington. The single payer reform that could achieve
our shared goals has been dismissed from consideration in favor of
proposals that will neither fulfill your promises nor meet our
patients’ urgent needs.

Like most of our colleagues and the majority of the general public
[per repeated polls -ED], we believe that single-payer reform is the
standard against which other health reforms should be measured. Sound
single payer proposals have been introduced in both the House of
Representatives (H.R. 676, The U.S National Health Care Act) and the
Senate (S. 703, The American Health Security Act of 2009).

Single payer reform, as embodied in these bills, would eliminate the
bewildering patchwork of private insurance plans with their exorbitant
overhead and profits, as well as the costly paperwork burdens they
impose on providers. These savings on bureaucracy - nearly $400
billion annually – are sufficient to cover all of the uninsured and to
provide first dollar coverage for all Americans. No other approach can
provide comparable coverage at a cost our nation can afford.

Mr. President, you once embraced a single payer reform that would
threaten private insurers, and foresaw its passage if Democrats
regained control of the House, the Senate and the White House. These
conditions have been met. Yet now Democrats propose diverting
additional billions to private insurers by requiring middle class
Americans to purchase defective policies from these firms – policies
with so many gaps and loopholes that they currently leave millions of
our insured patients vulnerable to financial ruin.

Moreover, a “public plan option” would do little to mitigate the
damage of a reform that perpetuates private insurers’ dominant role.
Even a robust public option would forego 90% of the bureaucratic
savings achievable under single payer. And a kinder, gentler public
option would quickly fail in a health care marketplace where
competition involves a race to the bottom, not the top, where insurers
compete by NOT paying for care. But HHS Secretary Sebelius has made
clear that any public option will be far worse than that, specifically
crafted to prevent it from evolving to a single payer. This kind of
public option would amount to a government-run clone of private
insurance, reproducing the worst features of private plans.

Mr. President, we ask that you join us in endorsing single payer
reform as the only practicable means to reach our shared goals, and
H.R. 676 and S. 703 as the appropriate starting point for debate in
the House and Senate.

Respectfully,

Thank you for your support at this historic time.

Marcia Angell, M.D.
Past Editor-in-Chief, New England Journal of Medicine
Senior Lecturer, Harvard Medical School

Oliver Fein, M.D.
Assoc. Dean, Weill Cornell Medical College
President, Phys. for a National Health Program

Arnold S. Relman, M.D.
Past Editor-in-Chief, New England Journal of Medicine
Professor Emeritus, Harvard Medical School

Quentin Young, M.D.
Nat'l Coordinator, Phys. for a National Health Program
Past President, American Public Health Association

Steffie Woolhandler, M.D., M.P.H.
Associate Professor of Medicine, Harvard
Co-founder, Phys. for a National Health Program

James G. Kahn, M.D., M.P.H.
Professor, UCSF School of Medicine
Chair, California Physicians Alliance

David L. Scheiner, M.D.
President Obama's longtime personal physician
Internist, Chicago, IL

And other signers, to see list or sign if you're a health
professional,, see
https://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/307/t/9577/shop/custom.jsp?donate_page_KEY=5022


author: Padraigh ProAmerica

subject: Re: Open Letter to Obama to Support Single-Payer Health Care

text:
The people don't want socialized medicine.

You are't gonna get single payer.

You won't get anything at this rate; too many Senators know their
careers will come to a crashing halt if they vote for this pig-in-a-poke
bill.

"Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and let them
surprise you with their ingenuity."
                         Gen. George S. Patton


author: MR

text:
On Dec 16, 5:37 pm, EconomicDemocracy Coop <[email]>
wrote:


author: Dimitrios Paskoudniakis

subject: Deductibility of Volunteering Expenses

text:
My college daughter will be volunteering with a medical services team and
spending a week in Peru in January 2013, for MedLife (www.medlife.org).

There is a fee to participate as well as airfare and other expenses.

I will be paying these expenses.  My daughter is my dependent and I claim
her exemption.

I also have the option of making a donation to MedLife, and receiving a 50%
credit of the donation toward my daughter's trip, and can deduct 50% of the
donation.

Per their website:

In accordance with the United States tax law abd regulations, a donation to
the MEDLIFE Fund is 100% tax-deductible by the person making the donation.
However, only 50% of a donation given to the 50:50 campaign in support of a
particular student's participation in a mobile clinic is tax deductible for
the person making the donation. The portion of a donation that reduces the
expense of a Mobile Clinic participant is not tax-deductible.

So it is apparent that a donation to this firm is deductible, and a donation
to this firm to get a 50% discount on my daughter's expenses is deductible
up to 50% of the donation.

Question is, if I don't make a donation, or for the non-deductible part of
the donation, airfare, and other expenses, are any of these deductible by me
(the payee) or my daughter (the volunteer)?

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subject: Re: Deductibility of Volunteering Expenses

text:
"Dimitrios Paskoudniakis" <[email]> wrote in message
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Is it a 501(c)(3)?

as there is no personal benefit -- ie. if she went to the foreign country
and visited friends, had a vacation, as well as did volunteer stuff, then
the entire airfare is not deductible.  And the organization must be a
501(c)(3).

BEGIN QUOTE
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p526/ar02.html#en_US_2011_publink1000229674
Out-of-Pocket Expenses in Giving Services
Although you cannot deduct the value of your services given to a qualified
organization, you may be able to deduct some amounts you pay in giving
services to a qualified organization. The amounts must be:

  a.. Unreimbursed,

  b.. Directly connected with the services,

  c.. Expenses you had only because of the services you gave, and

  d.. Not personal, living, or family expenses.

Table 2 contains questions and answers that apply to some individuals who
volunteer their services.

END QUOTE

You may even be able to deduct the mileage to get from your home to the
airport -- either actual expenses or 14 cents a mile.

Let's see what others say.  Maybe I'm too generous :).

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author: ira smilovitz

text:
On Sunday, June 3, 2012 12:51:09 PM UTC-4, Dimitrios Paskoudniakis wrote:

I would be very cautious. The website (it's actually medlifeweb.org) makes no mention of it being a 501(c)3 organization. Searches at Guidestar and the IRS Exempt Organization site come up empty for Medlife and/or Medvida. I wouldn't accept the fact that any donation would be deductible without further explanation from Medlife as to the basis for their tax-deductible claim.

Ira Smilovitz

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"Dimitrios Paskoudniakis" <[email]> wrote in message
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OK, The Schedule A Instructions include:

Contributions You Can Deduct
Contributions can be in cash, property, or out-of-pocket expenses you paid
to do volunteer work for the kinds of organizations described earlier.

Gifts of $250 or more. You can deduct a gift of $250 or more only if you
have a statement
from the charitable organization showing the information in (1) and (2)
next.
1. The amount of any money contributed and a description (but not value) of
any property donated.
2. Whether the organization did or did not give you any goods or services in
return for your contribution.

Contributions You Cannot Deduct
Travel expenses (including meals and lodging) while away from home, unless
there was no significant element of personal pleasure, recreation, or
vacation in the travel.

So it seems to me my daughter's registration fees, airfare, and other
expenses are potentially deductible, provided the organization provides a
statement for each component above $250 with items 1 and 2 above.  No part
of her trip is vacation, pleasure, or personal time.  If I pay these
expenses, can I claim the deductions?  It's not worth anything for her to
claim the deductions since as a full-time student her income is less than
the standard deduction.

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author: Pico Rico

text:
"Dimitrios Paskoudniakis" <[email]> wrote in message
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Is this the correct web site?

http://www.medlifeweb.org/

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author: Alan

text:
On 6/3/12 10:51 AM, Dimitrios Paskoudniakis wrote:
Sorry for jumping in late on this one....

You can not deduct expenses you pay for your daughter for her to
volunteer her services to a recognized charity. You are effectively
making a gift to your daughter. Just gift her the cash and let her pay
her own way assuming she can benefit from the tax deduction (i.e., she
has a tax liability and itemizing her deductions can provide a tax beenfit).

Assuming the website is correct, then under the 50/50 plan, you could
deduct the 50% of the payment that goes to the Medlife Fund.

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text:
"removeps-groups" <[email]> wrote in message
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I agree the airfare, transportation, and other expenses associated with this
volunteer effort are deductible.  No part of her trip is vacation, pleasure,
personal, etc.  Let's assume that the firm is 501(c)(3) since their web site
suggests direct donations are deductible.

The question remaining then is, if I pay the costs, can I claim the
deduction, even if it is my daughter doing the volunteer work, and I claim
her as a dependent on my return?

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author: John Levine

text:
Something is extremely fishy here.  The IRS publishes a definitive list of
public charities, and there is no charity named medlife.  The contact address
for medlifeweb.org says it's in Bangor ME, and a search of the 183 charities
in Bangor didn't turn up anything that looks like them.

So unless they are a subsidiary of a charity with a different name,
they're not who they say they are.  Any legitimate charity is happy to
tell you their legal name, their tax status, and send you a copy of
their current Form 990 public tax filing.

R's,
John
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Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly

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On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:41:35 PM UTC-4, Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:

Where did you find that statement? I looked everywhere and couldn't find it. That would be sufficient to satisfy me since contributions made to organizations in the process of applying for 501(c)3 status are deductible as if the application were already approved.

Ira Smilovitz

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"Pico Rico" <[email]> wrote in message
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Yes, sorry for the error.

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"Alan" <[email]> wrote in message
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What is your basis for this?  The statute does not seem clear.

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author: Bill Brown

text:
On Jun 5, 1:01ï¿½pm, Alan <[email]> wrote:
I'm pretty sure a member of the Mormon Church won a case establishing
this sort of expenditure by a parent IS deductible.  I will look for
the cite  when I can.

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text:
"Dimitrios Paskoudniakis" <[email]> wrote in message
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Another complication is that the volunteer work is in early January 2013,
but I will be paying the expenses in 2012.  In this case, can I deduct the
expenses in 2012 for volunteer work that is conducted in 2013, if I pay the
expenses in 2012?

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author: [redacted]

text:
On Monday, June 4, 2012 8:17:43 AM UTC-7, Dimitrios Paskoudniakis wrote:

IRC 170 just says

(j) Denial of deduction for certain travel expenses
No deduction shall be allowed under this section for traveling expenses (including amounts expended for meals and lodging) while away from home, whether paid directly or by reimbursement, unless there is no significant element of personal pleasure, recreation, or vacation in such travel.

It does not spell out explicitly that the deduction is denied when it is for expenses of a dependent.  Maybe there are court cases on the issue.

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author: Stuart A. Bronstein

text:
John Levine <[email]> wrote:

Actually the IRS list is not definitive.  There are some
organizations that existed before the IRS list (or even before the
IRS started approving nonprofits), and they are apparently
grandfathered in and are not on the list.

In this case their website says, "MEDLIFE is currently in the process
of becoming an approved 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. Until that
process is complete, all checks processed through our account at the
University of Maine foundation are tax-deductible."

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http://DownToEarthLawyer.com

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subject:
Re: Deductibility to not-yet-approved organizations [was: Re:
 Deductibility of Volunteering Expenses]

text:
On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 3:19:37 PM UTC-4, Seth wrote:

If the application is denied, the prior contributions become non-deductible. See http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=164254,00.html

Ira Smilovitz

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author: Seth

subject: Deductibility to not-yet-approved organizations [was: Re: Deductibility of Volunteering Expenses]

text:
In article <[email]>,
ira smilovitz  <[email]> wrote:

I know that approval (if done early enough in an organization's
existence) is retroactive to the organization's founding, but if the
501(c)3 status is ultimately denied are the contributions still
deductible?

Seth

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text:
ira smilovitz <[email]> wrote:

I got it from the FAQ on their website:
https://www.medlifeweb.org/faq.html

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text:
On Jun 6, 11:51ï¿½am, Bill Brown <[email]> wrote:

See White v. United States [84-1 USTC ï¿½9170], a 10th Circuit Court of
Appeals case.

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subject: Re: Deductibility to not-yet-approved organizations [was: Re: Deductibility of Volunteering Expenses]

text:
[email] (Seth) wrote:

No.  However in this case the organization is using a fiscal agent
that (presumably) already has its 501(c)(3) status.  So contributions
are to the agent, which then sends them to or expends them for the
benefit of the incohate nonprofit.

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On 6/8/2012 9:37 AM, Bill Brown wrote:
An interesting case with a slightly different set of facts as we are not
dealing with a member of a church on a mission. Quoting from the
conclusion in White (emphasis is mine):

When the payment is for part of the costs of necessary travel and for
all of the living expenses of a dependent member of taxpayers' household
SERVING AS A FULL-TIME CHURCH MISSIONARY AWAY FROM HOME we have no
difficulty concluding that the expenditure is deductible because the
expenditure primarily serves the church.

That said, White rejected the IRS contention in Brimley that control
(the control test), of the funds by the church was necessary for the
deduction. Interestingly, Brinley was appealed to the 5th Circuit, that
vacated and remanded it back to the tax court to allow the Brinley's to
provide more eveidence. The 5th Circuit made its decision after White
(the Brinley's cited White in the appeal). However, the 5th Circuit
rejected the 10th Circuit reasoning. The 5th circuit said:

The Brinley's payments would be deductible if they primarily benefited
the LDS Church or if the Church maintained discretion as to their use.
The evidence in the record before us does not establish that the LDS
Church had control over the Brinleys' payments or that any part thereof
primarily benefited the Church.

What we have here is a charitable organization that states in its appeal
(the 50:50 program) that only half the donation is deductible. It seems
to me that the charity is saying that you can't deduct one half because
they the charity don't benefit from the contribution nor do they have
discretion over the the use of the funds.

P.S. I don't know what happened to the Brinley's when the case was
remanded.

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text:
In article <jqte9t$979$[email]>,
Alan  <[email]> wrote:

I think they're saying that half is deductible *as a donation to
them*; the other half would be deductible as expenses in assisting
them in their cause (providing they timely get the 501(c)3
approved).

Seth

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author: dpb

text:
On 6/8/2012 3:24 PM, Seth wrote:

Can a "donation" have a set price?  For the fundraising w/ the 501(c)3's
I've been involved with, was always told by counsel that can have a
"suggested" donation but if the person didn't want to contribute at all
or made a smaller even token payment had to provide whatever it was
(raffle ticket; whatever) despite not getting the desired dollar amount.
  Is that just wrong or is there somehow something different in these
arrangements?

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text:
dpb <[email]> wrote:

The rule is that you are only allowed to deduct what you contribute
to the extent it exceeds the value of what you get in return.  If you
set a minimum "contribution" level when you get something in return,
that might be considered evidence of the value of what you get.

So yes, they can set a minimum "price" for some contributions.  But
if they do, the contribution may not be fully (or at all) deductible.

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text:
In article <jqu2e9$6te$[email]>, dpb  <[email]> wrote:

Sure: "Donate $100 to <college alumni magazine> and get an umbrella
depicting the college."

Only about $90 of that $100 is deductible.

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author: Patrick W. Gherrity

subject: Investor Challenge - Trades

text:
1.  Chrysler (C)

                   Buy       Current                  Total
  Date      Qty    Price     Value      Commissions   Cost

01/08/95    200    52.625    $10525.00    $40.00     $10565.00

Investor Challenge Position ($100000 initial capital)

                  01/06/95
BMET     700s      14.625          $10237.50
C        200s      52.625          $10525.00
GM       200s      43.25           $ 8650.00
PSCX     700s      14.75           $10325.00
Cash:                              $60852.50
                                   ---------
Subtotal                          $100590.00

Profit(Loss)Position                 $590.00

                Pat


author: Neal Hughes

subject: Re: Investor Challenge - Trades

text:
The following trades are posted for Mike, his news server is sick..

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All recommended funds are from our Weekend Update.

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$9,960.00 	Berger 100 Fund	645.50	15.43
$9,960.00 	Cohen & Steers	306.37	32.51
$9,960.00 	20th Cent Vista	952.20	10.46
$9,960.00 	Un.Serv.Wld Gold	696.50	14.3
$9,960.00 	Schwab Small Cap 	1028.93	9.68

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$50,000 	Money Market	50000	1

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$19,960.00 	Berger 100 Fund	1293.58	15.43
$19,960.00 	Cohen & Steers	613.96	32.51
$19,960.00 	20th Century Vista	1908.22	10.46
$19,960.00 	Un.Serv.Wld Gold	1395.80	14.30
$19,960.00 	Schwab Small Cap	2061.98	9.68

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author: Isaac Wong

subject: Re: Investor Challenge - Trades

text:
In a previous posting, Patrick W. Gherrity ([email]) writes:
Can you guys use e-mail instead? This is a forum for technical
discussion. Or create your own group say misc.invest.challenge


author: javalearner

subject: caw milk is better buffalo milk?

text:
hi
my son is 11 month old now and i'm still giving him formula milk in
day and breastfeeding  him at night. i'm planning stop formula milk
and start caw milk now. can u plz advice me which milk is good for
him? caw,buffalo,got or sheep?
he has no elergic rection from caw milk as i try it before....if caw
milk is better then it's fine it is availabe in any store but if
buffalo milk is more good than caw's milk then from where can i buy
this? as i read buffalo milk has more protine, more calcium ect and
clustrole.
and i'm giving him cheeder cheese and some other cheese as well plz
tell me.he is not eating food much just his hand size at one
time....but he is taking 750ml of milk+bf. is his diet is ok?
thanks


author: Denise

subject: Re: caw milk is better buffalo milk?

text:
"javalearner" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Its not recommended to switch a child to any source of milk, besides
breastmilk or proper formulas, before they're 12 months old.  And then, the
general recommendation is cow's milk.

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author: Beth Kevles

subject: Re: caw milk is better buffalo milk?

text:
Hi -

You can let your child drink any kind of milk, and cow's milk is
certainly the most convenient.  However, don't think of it as SWITCHING
from formula to cow's milk.  Instead, think of milk is part of a varied,
healthy diet.  Formula or breastmilk alone is a complete diet for an
infant. Milk alone is NOT a complete diet for anyone!  It's a convenient
source of protein, fluid and calcium, but it's not the ONLY form.  Some
kids eat cheese or yogurt but never drink milk.  (They drink water or
juice or whatever.)  Some kids never have ANY milk products, but still
eat a healthy diet.

So just integrate milk into your child's diet, but don't think of it as
a replacement for formula.  It's NOT a replacement for formula! And this
means that it really doesn't matter so much which kind of milk you
offer.

Do, of course, keep offering breastmilk as long as you can.  Breastmilk
IS a whole food, containing all the nutrition your child needs.  It
won't be adequate as your child gets older, but for the time being, it's
great.

--Beth Kevles
  [email]
  http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic
  Disclaimer:  Nothing in this message should be construed as medical
  advice.  Please consult with your own medical practicioner.

NOTE:  No email is read at my MIT address.  Use the AOL one if you would
like me to reply.


subject: Double Decking I-17 in Phoenix?

text:
A story in today's AZ Republic (online) mentioned it, maybe in 10 years
construction would start. This would be from the I-10 Stack to Dunlap
Ave. I know ADOT plans to widen I-17 between the I-10 split and the
stack, but I don't see where the extra space is going to be. As far as
double-decked highways go, what are they like in other places?


author: Larry Scholnick

subject: Re: Double Decking I-17 in Phoenix?

text:
"C.O." <[email]> wrote:
In the area north of Watts in the Los Angeles area, the Harbor Freeway (I-110) has 4
regular lanes plus 2 bus/carpool lanes in each direction.  As the freeway heads north
from an elevated section to a below-ground section, there was no room for the 4 (2+2)
special lanes.  So, the special lanes are elevated on a series of supports located in
the center divider of the below-ground section.

Drivers on roads that cross that section of freeway find themselves in a sandwich, with
the main freeway crossing below them and the bus/carpool lanes crossing above them.  At
certain points, there are even bus stops along the elevated section.  At the interchange
of I-110 and I-105, there are carpool-to-carpool ramps that allow bus/carpool drivers to
traverse directly from one freeway to the other without using the oft-congested regular
lanes.

Some of the bridges in the San Francisco Bay area are simply stacked; traffic in one
direction is on top and traffic in the other direction is below.  The Richmond-San
Rafael and the San Francisco-Oakland Bay bridges come to mind, but there may be others.


subject: Re: Double Decking I-17 in Phoenix?

text:
Jason Pawloski wrote:

Hmmmm... IMHO, double decking an already elevated freeway(between the
split and the Durango curve) might be somewhat of an eyesore. From what
I've seen, I-17 between the split and the stack is somewhat
underutilized anyway. But, having a separate section, and extending it
North of the stack to make direct connections to Grand Avenue could be
good for route continuity


author: Jason Pawloski

subject: Re: Double Decking I-17 in Phoenix?

text:
Rich Piehl wrote:

traffic lanes in each direction, which is essentially worthless IMO.

Jason


author: Rich Piehl

subject: Re: Double Decking I-17 in Phoenix?

text:
C.O. wrote:

Are you talking double decking with each deck having two way traffic, or
double deck with each deck carrying one direction?

Take care,
Rich

God bless the USA