author: nmstevens

subject: Re: Plagiarism ?

text:
[email] (wrter) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Well, the legal test is, I believe, "substantial copying."

Now -- define substantial copying. Unfortunately, there is -- and
clearly can be no precise definition, because things like plot,
structure, theme, character, relationships, scenes, etc., can't be
precisely quantified.

Obviously, it can never simply be a matter of counting lines, because
it's very rare that a movie literally "steals" from another movie or
from a script in so direct a fashion.

And that, I'm afraid -- is what lawyers and courtrooms and juries are
for -- to hear all the evidence and make such determinations.

Obviously, the instant I saw the coming attractions for Swimfan, I
instantly said, "Oh, teen Fatal Attraction."

But then, when I saw "Alien" I said, "Oh, big budget, "It, the Terror
from Beyond Space."

When I saw, "Piranha" I said, "Oh, Jaws in a lake."

When I saw, "Claws" I said, "Oh, Jaws in the woods."

When I saw, "Lake Placid, I said, "Oh, Jaws in another lake."

Plot copying is very common, but plots, in and of themselves, are not
copyrightable. Taking the plot from another movie doesn't rise, by
itself, to the level of "substantial copying."

The plot of "Beast From 20,000 Fathoms" was copied, with variations a
number of times -- "The Deadly Mantis" "The Giant Behemoth" "It Came


author: BuzzGrief

subject: Re: Plagiarism ?

text:
Boy, I sure do.

To make it shit-simple, you got the right attorneys and enough money, there are
no such things as "laws".

Nesci

The other Buzz

"One nation under surveillance"


author: Dr. Jai Maharaj

subject: Re: Plagiarism ?

text:
In article <[email]>,
 [email] (BuzzGrief) posted:

There is some truth to what Nesci says, but there
are instances where no amount of money can negate
the existence of laws.  WorldNet defines plagiarism
as "a piece of writing that has been copied from someone
else and is presented as being your own work".

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti


author: Just another American

subject: Illegal aliens threaten U.S. medical system  and  Anchor Baby Goldmine

text:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43275

Illegal aliens threaten U.S. medical system

by WorldNetDaily.com, March 13, 2005

Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton,
Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker.

He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8
– all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter
Flor, the family had what is referred to as an "anchor baby" – an
American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a
ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.

But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal
incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000.
Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth
to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another
child, Cristian.

The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public
welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma.
Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last
year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two
"anchor babies."

While President Bush says the U.S. needs more "cheap labor" from south
of the border to do jobs Americans aren't willing to do, the case of
the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in
the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical
costs.

In fact, the increasing number of illegal aliens coming into the
United States is forcing the closure of hospitals, spreading
previously vanquished diseases and threatening to destroy America's
prized health-care system, says a report in the spring issue of the
Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.

"The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical
consequences," writes Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of the report.
"We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can
be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen."

According to her study, 84 California hospitals are closing their
doors as a direct result of the rising number of illegal aliens and
their non-reimbursed tax on the system.

"Anchor babies," the author writes, "born to illegal aliens instantly
qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous
rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security
Income and Disability Income."

In addition, the report says, "many illegal aliens harbor fatal
diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such
as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio,
dengue, and Chagas disease."

While politicians often mention there are 43 million without health
insurance in this country, the report estimates that at least 25
percent of those are illegal immigrants. The figure could be as high
as 50 percent.

Not being insured does not mean they don't get medical care.

Under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985,
hospitals are obligated to treat the uninsured without
reimbursement....

According to the report, between 1993 and 2003, 60 California
hospitals closed because half their services became unpaid. Another 24
California hospitals verge on closure, the author writes.

"American hospitals welcome 'anchor babies,'" says the report....
Anchor babies are citizens, and instantly qualify for public welfare
aid: Between 300,000 and 350,000 anchor babies annually become
citizens because of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the
State wherein they reside."

Among the organizations directing illegal aliens into America's
medical systems, according to the report, are the Ford
Foundation-funded Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund,
the National Immigration Law Center, the American Immigration Lawyers
Association, the American Bar Association's Commission on Immigration
Policy, Practice, and Pro Bono, the Immigrant Legal Resource Center,
the National Council of La Raza, George Soros's Open Society
Institute, the Migration Policy Institute, the National Network for
Immigration and Refugee Rights and the Southern Poverty Law Center....

Many illegals entering this country have tuberculosis, according to
the report.

..."TB's swift, deadly return now is lethal for about 60 percent of
those infected because of new Multi-Drug Resistant Tuberculosis. Until
recently MDR-TB was endemic to Mexico. This Mycobacterium tuberculosis
is resistant to at least two major anti-tubercular drugs.... Latent
disease explodes later....

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ascribed 42 percent of
all new TB cases to 'foreign born' people who have up to eight times
higher incidences apparently, 66 percent of all TB cases coming to
America originate in Mexico, the Philippines and Vietnam."

Other health threats from illegals include, according to the report:

Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or "kissing bug
disease," is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which prefers to bite
the lips and face.... The disease also infiltrates America's blood
supply... No cure exists....

Leprosy, also known as Hansen's disease... is endemic to northeastern
states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy
from India, Brazil, the Caribbean and Mexico.

Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America... Recently, according
to the report, there was a virulent outbreak of dengue fever in Webb
County, Texas, which borders Mexico....

Polio was eradicated from America, but now reappears in illegal
immigrants as do intestinal parasites, says the report.

Malaria was obliterated, but now is re-emerging in Texas.

The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons report includes a
strong prescription for protecting the health of Americans:

Closing America's borders with fences, high-tech security devices and
troops.

Rescinding the U.S. citizenship of "anchor babies."

Punishing the aiding and abetting of illegal aliens as a crime.

An end to amnesty programs.


subject: Re: Bloody November coming to congress soon!

text:
Jennie wrote:

You are SO right!  And many times they get benefits that tax paying
citizens that are born here cannot get.  It is so unjust!


author: Jennie

subject: Bloody November coming to congress soon!

text:
Come to American. Free health care for anyone who can not speak English.
Legal Americans have been punished for years of congress lying...VOTE in
November! Let's ride our house of scumbags...

Have a baby in America all expensive paid!

What a joke...


author: DB

text:
"USA1st" <[email]> wrote in

Unjust?

What about the Federal & State Government bums that raid Single & Divorced
Dads for 70% of their take home pay? And if that's not enough, they tell
these dead broke dads to go out  and get a better job so they can pay more
money to a single mom that wants to sit on her fanny all day.  Having a
baby is instant income for all woman now, and they have the Government to
thank for it! LOL


text:
If you are illegal have a honeymoon in the USA and get your free health care
and free baby deliveries...come on in!


subject: Re: Illegal aliens threaten U.S. medical system  and  Anchor Baby Goldmine

text:
As soon as they are legal and businesses have to pay for decent wages and
benefits America will have the largest group of poor ever seen in the USA.
A business will drop the legal to get the cheap non illegal...


author: [redacted]

text:
In <[email]> by Jennie <[email]>
   on Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:31:07 -0500 we perused:
*+-As soon as they are legal and businesses have to pay for decent wages and
*+-benefits America will have the largest group of poor ever seen in the USA.
*+-A business will drop the legal to get the cheap non illegal...

   You hit the problem on the  head: unionised socialism.  Frank the Lame Old
Rust Belt  got a whole  section of the  country named for him.   Kinda ironic
these lazy jealous commie bigots now call  themselves "social conservatives",
when their xenophobia created the Great Depression to begin with.

				- = -
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	      BachMozart ReaganQuayle EvrytanoKastorian
       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
  ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice.  Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal] [Windows is for Bimbos]
   [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]


author: realitytrucker

subject: Trucker jumps off bridge

text:
Some guys will go to extremes to avoid a DOT inspection!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,269636,00.html


author: Easy

subject: Re: Trucker jumps off bridge

text:
On 2 May 2007 21:06:54 -0700, realitytrucker <[email]>
wrote:

Musta had one of the job we dont want.
My guess is he wasnt a God fearing American.
maybe he was trained like at the REO go for the water.


author: Glenn Klein

subject: Re: Trucker jumps off bridge

text:
realitytrucker wrote:
It was reported that the tractor was stolen as for why he jumped of the
Tappen Zee Bridge it will remain one of life's mysteries


author: Rocky

subject: Re: Trucker jumps off bridge

text:
"realitytrucker" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I've heard of one driver that had a heart attack and died right on the Scale
before.  It seems that could happen more than just once too.

Rocky http://wookiee.home.att.net


author: Dave Smith

subject: Re: Trucker jumps off bridge

text:
Easy wrote:

You would be surprised what some drivers will do. I once had a driver try
to hang himself. He was a local dump truck driver,  a likeable old guy,
over 70, who could not read or write who had a 20 year old truck that he
still owed money on..We pulled him over because his load of gravel was not
tarped and he was obviously over loaded. When we pulled him over his rad
was leaking and he asked if we could follow him to the job site, which was
only a mile away, and I agreed. When we got to the job site he grabbed a
piece of rope and headed off into the woods saying that he was going to
hang himself. When he didn't come back in a few minutes we thought maybe he
was serious and called for assistance. They found him in a tree with the
rope around his neck and getting ready to jump. He spent a few days in the
psychiatric wing at the local hospital. He retires shortly after that.


author: RoadRunner

subject: Re: Trucker jumps off bridge

text:
Scale

I can attest to the driver dying on the scale ... his name was Cecil ... and
he died in my arms ... he was a very good friend and co-worker.  He's missed
very much.

Shawn


subject: Re: Trucker jumps off bridge

text:
RoadRunner wrote:

It happened at the scale where I worked. I wasn't there at the time, but I
guy came in and parked and asked the guys on duty to call and ambulance for
him.  The ambulance came and took him to the hospital but he didn't make
it.  On another occasion when I was on duty a driver who appeared to be
only in his 30s or 40s came in and wanted to get to a hospital because he
thought that he was having a heart attack. We were just leaving for supper
at the time so we gave him a ride, which would be faster than waiting for
an ambulance.  When we checked on him later we were told he had been
released. It seems that he had been taking a few too many road pills.


author: Manatee

subject: interview advice?

text:
I have a job interview monday morning. Any advice on how to act and what to
say?

This is an interview with a company that has no official openings. I cold
emailed a manager there with a proposal on what I can do for the company. It
actually required two different proposals: the first proposal he rejected
but the second proposal interested him.

Neil


author: Scott T. Jensen

subject: Re: interview advice?

text:
"Manatee" <[email]> wrote:

Without knowing what the job is, what your credentials are, and who the
company is, I don't see much I can tell you.  That you've gotten this far
speaks well of you.  Good luck.

Scott Jensen


author: George Demmer

subject: Re: interview advice?

text:
"Manatee" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Neil, a job interview is nothing more than a sales presentation. You are
selling your services for a certain price; the employer will either buy
them -- or not.

So, just like any sales call, you need to do two things: first, you need
to find out as much as you can about the prospect -- their needs, their
wants, their budget, their fears, etc.  Then you need to explain to them
how your services match perfectly with their needs and preferences -- if
they do, of course.

And, just like any sales call, you need to interview the prospect as
much as they interview you. Some people are just not worth selling to --
or working for. They're not willing to pay enough, what they're looking
for is not something you can really deliver, their expectations are
unreasonable, or maybe you just don't like them and won't enjoy working
with them ... these are all things you need to find out BEFORE you agree
to the sale.

The techniques involved in "closing the sale" have been addressed in
literally thousands of books. And selling is an honourable profession
that demands great skill and finesse. Sadly, it has been sullied by the
millions of amateurs who think a business card makes them a salesperson.

The book I most recommend is "The New Conceptual Selling" by Steven
Heiman, but like writing, no one book will ever teach you all you need
to know.

cold
company. It
rejected

Is this the same company you were talking to before? Or did that one
fall through?

As I recall, you wanted to offer some kind of writing services, didn't
you?

What I'm wondering is why you seen so attached to the "job" concept?
What you are describing here is a cold call that you got a response to.
In this case, your "job interview" really is a sales call in the typical
sense of the term. This is the same process that any of us who sell
services tend to go through.

In fact, you may be hurting yourself by sticking to the job concept.
Hiring an employee is a much more complicated and costly decision for a
company than bringing in an outside service provider. There are all
kinds of costs, tax ramifications, labour laws, and administrative
hassles involved that don't apply to an outside contractor.

You already seem to have grasped the concept that you need to bring
value and benefit to the prospect if you expect them to "hire" you.  You
seem to be doing all right in getting yourself in the door. Now start
acting like a real professional business person with a valuable service
to offer rather than someone looking (begging) for a job. I think that
change in attitude will only help you.


author: Mark Carroll

subject: Re: interview advice?

text:
In article <[email]>,
Manatee <[email]> wrote:
(snip)

Generally, I'd try to look cheerful and enthusiastic (exactly the same
as when trying to get past immigration officers into a country (-:),
and if there's an easy way I can demonstrate right there my skills by
bringing along any of my past work, or the ideas I have for them, I'll
do so (with a borrowed snazzy laptop computer or something). IMHO it's
exactly like selling a consulting solution - you need to communicate
that you have skills that would benefit your employer's career and
business, and that you are eager to apply them on their behalf.

When supplying a clear vision of what I might do in a company, I tend
to ask for confirmation about different aspects of their business and
plans so that I don't get too far off track from what they want and
how they see themselves - you need to find out, without being cheeky,
as much about that business plan that you can so that you can present
yourself as a valuable enabling step for it. (That is, you don't ask
them for it! (-: You guess what you can from their promotional
literature, SEC filings if there are any, etc. and use those as the
basis for questions regarding matters that aren't as sensitive.)

Mind you, I've tended to seek jobs where they welcome some initiative
- that my supervisor is glad that they won't have to be constantly
thinking of and telling me ideas for what I should do. Given your
proactivity in generating proposals, I'm guessing that's what you're
after too.

Good luck! That's the best I can do without more information.

-- Mark


author: Eric Handbury

subject: Re: interview advice?

text:
In article <[email]>, "Manatee"
<[email]> wrote:

  I congratulate you in being proactive in your job-hunt.

  Make sure he/she is not just picking your brain over this new proposal.
You should be able to figure this out early if he/she is more concerned about
the proposal than how YOU can implement it. Always go back to the subject
at hand, which is the company employing you. Talk about other projects
that you have done for other companies to show that this proposal is not
a one-off.

  Good luck.   Eric.


author: John A. Weeks III

subject: Re: interview advice?

text:
"Manatee" <[email]> wrote:

Come somewhat hung over, look a bit strung out, wear a torn up shirt,
kick at least one chair, and use the F-word every 4th or 5th word,
and you will do OK.  That is, of course, assuming that your interview
is to replace Sammy Hagar as lead signer of Van Halen.

Context is important.

-john-


subject: Re: interview advice?

text:
"George Demmer" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Well, to provide more information they are a really good Internet Service
Provider (ISP). They had no jobs posted on their Web site. I emailed the
sales manager with a specific sales and marketing proposal. He wrote back
saying, "we are not hiring right now but I will keep your resume..." I wrote
again with another proposal about two weeks later; this time he called and
emailed me so I obviously generated interest. The first proposal must have
rung hollow for him -- while the second proposal must have spoken directly
to a need.

I think the lesson is that everybody is buying if the product or service
helps solve a problem or make them more money.

This one is very difficult. You can find out information from their Web
site. You can understand the products from a technical point of view. But
you can't really know exactly what they are lacking at any given time.

Absolutely true. Most people -- including me -- look at an interview as
being in the hot seat and persuading someone to hire them. No doubt the
better attitude to have is making the goal a simple one: Is this a good
match or not? And leave open the possibility that it is not a good match.
Seeing clearly is very important.

Going to get that right now.

They hired a "more experienced consulting firm" which I fully understand.
Given their extremely tight deadline I probably would have gone for
experience over giving the less experienced candidate a chance. They made
the right decision.

They said they really enjoyed meeting me and are going to consider me for a
position after they get their next round of funding.

Yes, but I am going to include sales and Web development in the mix. Right
now I have skills in web development that I can try to sell along with
writing and sales. My jobs up until now have all been hybrid jobs involving
multiple responsibilities. Is that a rational way to run a career or should
one specialize??

Trying for writing does not seem as realistic a way to make a living after
scrambling around trying to get contracts.

You are absolutely right and tommorow (Monday) morning I am going to treat
the session like a sales call and not a garden variety interview. So the
suit is back from laundry and I am going to listen to what sales manager
says are his needs and then sell, sell, sell. Well...only sell, sell, sell,
if I think it is a good match. :-)

Absolutely. Thanks for the idea.

Neil


subject: Re: interview advice?

text:
"Mark Carroll" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
to

That is right, I like to have some independence rather than just being an
undermotivated drone taking orders. Ick. I think I'd rather live on the
street than be an undermotivated drone taking orders.

Thanks.

Manatee


subject: Re: interview advice?

text:
"Eric Handbury" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

about

That is a good idea: stay focused. :-)

Manatee


author: Lubow

subject: Re: BLACK MONDAY COMING UP !!!

text:
Hello, [email]!
You wrote  on Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:49:45 -0700 (PDT):

Not so fast bh.  In the 1987 crash all commodities crashed down big time as
well.  Traders needed to liquidate their futures positions to finance their
stock margin accounts.

Lubow.


subject: Re: HOG MONDAY COMING UP !!!

text:
BUFFET IS GOING TO HAVE SEX WITH HIS PET HOG ON MONDAY,ANAL WARTS OR NO
ANAL WARTS !

"Arrest the oil commodity speculators for conspiracy to commit "price
fixing" !


subject: Re: HOG MONDAY COMING UP !!!

text:
On Jun 6, 10:27 pm, [email] wrote:

FWIW   'Asswart" is a nickname i have for comics half black daughter,
I have often called her my pet piggy.


subject: Re: HOG MONDAY COMING UP !!!

text:
buffethater has invested in KY jelly futures and has applied for
financing to buy a whole heard of hogs !!!
but unlike a perverted farmer, buffethater willbe on the "recieving end"
not the "giving end" of this clusterfuck....

"Arrest the oil commodity speculators for conspiracy to commit "price
fixing" !


author: Cory Hammer

subject: Zip Drive/Cyrix 686 & mb/2MB PCI video/30pin simms

text:
Items for sale:

Iomega Zip Drive (parell port) & 7 disks: $200 or best

Cyrix 686 P90+ & Triton 430VX motherboard: $200 or best

2MB PCI video card: $50 or best

8 1MB 30pin SIMMS: $5 per or best

Contact me via email if interested.  All items are in excellent
condition.


subject: OT: newsgroup recommendation

text:
I'm looking for a newsgroup or discussion group for usual home/life
topics for women. Few years ago there was a board on hgtv.com called
hometalk and it was cancelled. They used to discuss anything from best
shampoo on market to part time courses in community colleges.

Any recommendations? Thanks.


author: Sue

subject: Re: newsgroup recommendation

text:
I'm not sure why you couldn't talk about any topic on this newsgroup.
Although, you can subscribe to misc.kids.family-life and can talk about
anything you would like.


author: toto

subject: Re: newsgroup recommendation

text:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:16:11 -0500, "Sue"
<[email]> wrote:

The only problem I see with that is that tedneeley is posting through
google groups and s/he cannot get to mk-fl through google.

The description of how to subscribe to mk-fl is here:
http://www.robomod.net/misc.kids.family-life/pageone.html

Anyone who would like to subscribe is welcome, of course.
The group is a test group on only one server currently, but
we really would like to go back to news.groups and become
a big 8 group.  Atm, though newgroup creation has been
suspended while the process of creating and removing groups
is being overhauled.


author: [redacted]

subject: Looking for Online auctions besides Ebay

text:
I'd like to find another online auction besides Ebay.  I have used
Ebay for around 10 years and it used to be both fun and useful.  Not
no more.  In fact I just closed my Ebay account because there is no
sense having it any longer, when U never plan to use it again.

I was never a huge shopper on Ebay, but every now and then I need some
computer card or some memory, a part for the wash machine or some
other oddball item that I cant find in the local stores.

However, Ebay has gone to shit.  I waste hours on there and all I find
are items with excessive shipping, or imported junk.  When I finally
do find something that looks like a deal, I find out the seller only
accepts Paypal, and after having been robbed by Paypal once before, I
will never use them again.  Obviously Ebay wants everyone using paypal
because they make more money, but they have no way to filter out the
"paypal only" sellers.

I could go one about all the defective items I got from Ebay,
particularly in the last few years, but it's not worth my time.  I
believe everyone that signs up for Ebay has to learn the hard lessons
by themselves.

My reason for this message is to inquire if anyone has found any other
online auctions that are worth anything.  I have been on a few over
the years, but most of them have few or no items listed, and they seem
to vanish as fast as they are created.  I still need a place to buy
these occasional items, but it wont be Ebay any longer.

What else is there?


author: Larry Bud

subject: Re: Looking for Online auctions besides Ebay

text:
On May 5, 12:54 am, Bill <[email]> wrote:

Impossible, unless you force your customers to offer a fixed shipping
price.

I'll do that for you.  Why ISN'T it the buyer's responsibility to know
exactly what he's buying?


text:
Since you've sold stuff on ebay before, and presumably shipped items,
you know that packaging isn't free.  In fact, it's pretty expensive if
you're buying in low quantities.  And your time to go to the post
office/ups, etc.    So why do you think that charging for packaging is
"excessive"?

Granted, there ARE sellers that jack up the cost of shipping and are
making a profit on it.    Just don't buy from them.


text:
On May 5, 2:53 pm, [email] wrote:

Ever hear of Google.com?  Trying typing in "online auction" into
google.


text:
On May 5, 12:56 am, [email] wrote:

So because I defend the structure of a giant online auction, I'm an
employee?  LOL!  You're rich.

Why don't you start your own auction website and unbid (no pun
intended) eBay's fees?

Oh yeah, and now eBay has to determine the quality of products that
their customers list on the website?  G=geez..   You guys really don't
live in the land of reality.   Having ebay monitor product quality is
akin to a news paper's classified doing the same.  Ridiculous.

LOL!    You obviously work for eBay competitors!!!

Amazing.  I must be the luckiest person on earth never to get screwed
over by eBay or PayPal.    What time is the lotto drawing?


text:
On May 6, 3:51 pm, Steve <[email]> wrote:

Good idea, but that would go against what nearly everyone here is
complaining about, even though bottom-line price is what really
counts.   I'm not sure why it matters to these buyers what part of
their total is shipping vs. product cost.  In fact, for the anti-Ebay
crowd, they should be HAPPY the price is all in the shipping,
therefore eBay doesn't make so much in commission.


author: Dave

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I feel your pain.  Ebay is still a good place to buy some items.  But their
listing fees (for sellers) are getting ridiculous, so that might not last
much longer.  Ebay doesn't seem to understand that if nobody sells, nobody
buys, and ebay can't collect their cut.

I think *eventually* craigslist might replace ebay for many items, and
froogle will cover the rest.  No, these aren't auction sites.  But no
listing fees!  -Dave


author: Mike Berger

text:
I've never yet run into a "paypal only" seller that wouldn't
take a USPS money order.

[email] wrote:


text:
Yahoo has auctions, but, as the auction site gets smaller, there's
less to buy.

I for one have only had 1 problem on ebay in 71 purchases, and that
seller made good on the issue.  VERY good.  Perhaps buying computer
components is different, and I think eBay's main positive is to use it
for hard to find items.  I mean, if I need a hard drive, I'm not going
to bother with e-bay to save 10 bucks.

In as far as selling on ebay, the seller's fees are LOW.  What do you
people think it would cost to run an ad in the news paper, with a
severly limited exposure?  Or sell something on consignment?

As someone who sells stuff on the internet, I find PayPal a Godsend.
I don't have to deal with credit card companies, I don't have to worry
about keeping a customer's CC info secure, I don't have to go to the
bank to cash someone's check, nd I don't have to worry about a buyer's
check bouncing.

As a buyer, you can now buy stuff through PayPal using your credit
card, just like any other e-commerce site, so you have your credit
card company protection as well.

As far as shipping costs, I don't know how ebay could possibly
regulate that.  How many thousands (millions?) of listings are active
at any one time?


author: Steve

text:
Larry Bud <[email]> wrote:

It would be nice if ebay offered an option to sort buy-it-now listings
by bottom-line price including shipping, as other shopping sites do.


text:
Last auction I tried to post on ebay, the listing fee was 1/3rd the starting
price of my auction, that I was planning to list with no reserve.  Note
that's just the LISTING FEE.  If my item sold at my asking price (it
probably would have sold for more, but just for argument's sake), ebay's cut
would have been about 50%.  And no, it was not a low value item.  I never
listed the item.  Thinking of putting it on craigslist instead.  -Dave


author: Bill

text:
Larry Bud wrote:

They should base their fee on the price including shipping. They
could adjust what they charge so it's no more than it is today
for the honest seller who charges a reasonable amount for
shipping. But their current fee structure rewards sellers who
choose to charge usurious shipping "and handling" charges,
because they pay less for a $1 item with $10 shipping than they
do for a $10 item with $1 shipping.

They've done a better job exposing shipping fees than they used
to, showing it in the search results, but it still hasn't solved
the problem.

I'll now step back and wait for someone to defend a $10 shipping
charge on an item that costs $1 to mail, and point out that it's
the buyer's fault for not checking shipping costs ahead of time.

Bill


text:
On 4 May 2007 12:22:47 -0700, Larry Bud <[email]>
wrote:

And you are employed by Ebay in what capacity?

The seller fees that Ebay charges are outrageous.  Far from being
"low".

I have gotten MANY items from Ebay that were total trash, and most of
this occurred in the last few years.  Before that, I was fairly
satisfied.

Keep using Paypal, it's not "IF" they will screw you, it's "WHEN".
If you dont use a credit card, then Paypal has access to your bank
account.  Good Luck, you'll need it.
There are several websites that tell all the details such as
paypalsucks.com

Ebay COULD regulate the shipping costs, but they dont.  It would be
very easy to make everything ACTUAL SHIPPING.  The sellers can make
their minimum or starting bids high enough to cover the cost of
packaging, rather than charging HANDLING fees.

You obviously work for Ebay, but if by chance you dont, like everyone
that uses Ebay, you'll soon learn the hard way, and wish you had
listened to others who got taken.......


author: Max

text:
On Sun, 06 May 2007 11:51:47 -0800, Steve <[email]> graced this
newsgroup with:

that's a good idea.  Have you tried emailing their customer service?

One thing that's always bugged me is the inablility to select ONLY
negative feedback of a seller.


author: Jeff Jonas

text:
Hear, hear!
Particularly since ebay lets people print their own barcoded-postage
and HIDE the actual amount paid!  But the ebay postage system
/knows the actual postage paid/, so you're right.
That information should be used to calculate the sellers' fee.
But as of now, ebay HELPS sellers inflate postage fees:
their "postage calculator" allows the seller to add
their own surcharge for "handling" "packing materials" or whatever, which
- circumvents the fee on the selling price
- is a (an unenforced) violation of ebay's terms for "excessive postage fee"

BUT ... one seller used the postage calculation in a fair way.
Dutch auctions sell many of the same item at the same price.
He used the postage to allow a discount for buying more items,
even though the "postage fee" was really the bulk of the item's selling price.

But ebay's also gone backwards, such as no longer giving the
seller's full address, phone and contact information to the winning bidder.
How is one to "know your seller" when that is denied?

Yes and no ... sellers who want repeat business will be reasonable
about combining postage or making reasonable adjustments.

For a while, I sold plush toys on ebay.
I delivered an item myself to a buyer who was nearby
who then asked for a refund of the postage since hand-delivery
seemed "free" to her.  I refunded the postage because
the customer's goodwill was more important to me than the few dollars.


text:
[email] wrote:

Why do folks like you insist that anyone who is satisfied with
ebay and Paypal must be an employee? There are an awful lot of
people out there buying and selling for your claim that they are
terrible to hold much water.  They're not perfect, but they are
far from the devil that you make them out to be.

Bill (not an ebay employee)


author: cat

text:
"Max" <[email]> wrote in message

http://toolhaus.org/


text:
On 5 May 2007 03:22:19 -0400, [email] (Jeff Jonas) wrote:

OK, everyone has done a fine job of defending or trashing Ebay, but
the original point has still not been answered.
What are some OTHER online auctions?

Yes, I know about Yahoo auctions and they were the one I preferred
over Ebay recently.  Unfortunately, they are going to become history
in about a month, since Yahoo is shutting down their auctions.   Since
Yahoo is leaving the scene, and I prefer to not use Ebay, there is no
place left that I am aware of.  I know there must be others.  Does
anyone have a list of all the online auctions?  That's what I am
looking for.  How about a LIST of URLs !!!!


text:
The may not be the devil but clueless is close enough.
Long ago there was "Mursky's Worst Of The Web":
a MST3K-style commentary on the worst web sites
for a variety of categories: most broken Java, worst colors,
worst composition, worst grammar and spelling, etc.
Similarly, I'll someday have "how to annoy and irritate ebay buyers"
with the crap sellers have pulled on ebay such as
overcharging for postage, posting out of focus photos,
stealing photos from others, not knowing the product, etc.

I've bought a lot on ebay and I'd say about 1 in 100 deals goes bad.
Sadly, it's human nature to remember that ONE bad deal
more than the 99 that went right.
But that's usually because the effort and temperament of the seller,
particularly when they're lying or self-righteous.
Such as the seller who said his exercise boots were NEW
but they were in fact used, returned merchandise that were missing parts.
He claimed to be a dealer when in fact the mfgr
did NOT recognize him and refused to honor the warranty.
Ebay seems to allow that because the feedback system is broken:
dishonest sellers retaliate with negative feedback to hurt honest buyers,
thus the "feedback inflation" where positive feedback is expected for everything
even when neutral is truly deserved.


text:
On Mon, 7 May 2007 08:52:42 -0700, "cat" <[email]>
graced this newsgroup with:

holy crap! Thank you!  Perfect!


text:
On 5 May 2007 03:08:31 -0400, [email] (Jeff Jonas) graced this
newsgroup with:

Out of 143 transations on e-bay, I've had one bad experience.  And
*that* experience required some hashing back and forth with the seller
but I eventually (about  a month) received my money back.

Common sense dictates. Just like any other website selling something.

As for shipping and handling.  People seem to forget that those two
fees have *always* been out of touch with the real costs of doing
business.  I've seen  many times  websites that charged a much higher
than reasonable handling fee because guess what?  If  you return an
item, you *don't get that part back*.    Sell a $100 item for $1 with
a $99 handling fee.  You still pay $100 but only $1 comes back if you
return the item (and let's not forget ridiculous 20% "restocking
fees".)

Hey, e-bay isn't the only merchant site that has that problem.

As for paypal, anyone gone to Western Union or other electronic
funds transfer sites?  Their fees are no less than what Paypal
charges.   And remember that the *seller* pays the paypal fee, not the
buyer.

And finally, as for the sellers fees to list items on ebay, it's
absolutely NOWHERE near 50%.  One poster overshot the fee price by
a factor of 10.  The fees as outlined at their site are based on two
factors:

1.  Starting price
2.  Ending price.

Starting price is how the "insertion fee" is determined. I guess this
is to ensure that ebay gets something regardless if you sell the item
or not (no other fees are charged if the item doesn't sell).

The ending price determines the "Final Value Fee".  That's 5.25% for
items sold under $25. For items sold over $25, there's an additional
3.25% of remaining balance. 5.25% for the first $25, 3.25%s for the
rest above $25.  Ever go to a live auction and tried to sell an item?
You want a wake up call on commissions, you'll get one there.

How does one come up with 50%?.  I've sold motorcycles on ebay for
over $7,000 and I sure has hell didn't pay ebay $3,500 to list it.

And no, I'm not an employee but one of the hundreds of thousands of
ebay customers that DON'T set up websites to discuss ebay.

One thing I've learned about the internet is that the ONLY people who
go through the effort to say anything  are those that have an axe to
grind.  They usually represent  one tiny speck of the rest of the
worlds who's perfectly happy with that merchant.

But God forbid if THEY side with the merchant though since they'll be
labeled a collaborator or employee or at the very least, "ignorant".

And please, if I hear "it's not a matter of IF but WHEN..." one more
time......


text:
Max wrote:

But amusingly (or maybe not), people yell and scream when normal
merchants charge ridiculous shipping charges, and I'll bet that
they are often the same ones charging high rates on ebay (and
justifying it by claiming that they have expenses). Heck, on
Fatwallet there are even people who will claim that a free after
rebate deal is "cold" because shipping isn't free.

Bill


text:
On Sat, 05 May 2007 16:01:43 GMT, Bill <[email]> graced
this newsgroup with:

yup.. Like, DUH, don't buy from a merchant that charges too much.  Or,
if you do, don't bitch and whine about it all over the internet.

Merchants overcharging for their services were around a heck of lot
earlier than ebay.


subject: Long term visas EU?

text:
My wife and I were planing a move to Italy for a year and living on our
savings but the Italians are making it difficult to get a strait answer
about permits and visas.

Which EU country is the easiest to obtain a long term or residence visa?
It does not have to be Italy, we just want to take a year off without a
lot of hassle about forms and visas while we travel in the EU.


author: John

subject: Re: Long term visas EU?

text:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:58:08 -0600, <[email]> wrote:

This is a very international NG!  You do not say which country's
passport you and your wife hold. It could be extremely relevant to
anyone attempting to answer your question.


author: Philip George

subject: Re: Long term visas EU?

text:
There are all equally bad.  Schengen entry requirements are the same across
the EU.

If you're not millionaires you will find it almost impossible to get a
visa for more than 6 months.

In article <[email]>,
 <[email]> wrote:


subject: Re: Long term visas EU?

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] says...

Great point thanks and I should have thought of that but was in a hurry
when posting. We both have US passports.


author: Ulf Kutzner

subject: Re: Long term visas EU?

text:
Philip George schrieb:

Doesn't look imposible with
http://www.italyemb.org/ElectiveResidenceVisa.htm

Regards, ULF


subject: Re: Long term visas EU?

text:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 04:42:56 -0600, <[email]> wrote:

Right .... shame ... if you had EU passports it would have been
different.

Take a look at :-

http://www.italyemb.org/Visti.htm

Lots of info there. Looks like you can visit for up to 90 days with no
problem, but permit needed if you want to stay longer.


subject: Re: Long term visas EU?

text:
[email] schrieb:

What about http://www.italyemb.org/ElectiveResidenceVisa.htm ?

I hope you ca read the end of each line, I cannot with Netscape.

Regards, ULF


author: Philip

subject: Re: Long term visas EU?

text:
Ulf Kutzner wrote:

I see that they require that you have to show funds that
are "more than substantial" (whatever that means) and that the
money is not "derived from current employment or other work".
No specific amount of income or capital is mentioned.

The closest equivalent for the UK is "Retired persons of independent
means" who must show income of 25,000 pounds per annum, be over
60 years of age and not working. There is also the "Investor"
category which applies to persons of any age - all you need
is 1 million UK pounds!

Philip


author: Fred Goodwin, CMA

text:
Reapportionment Includes Unlawful Alien Residents

http://www.aim.org/guest_column/4623_0_6_0_C/

By Paul M. Weyrich  |  June 7, 2006

I received a call from a long time friend from California. To say the
least he was not in a happy mood. "Is anyone back there discussing the
impact of immigration on reapportionment?" he asked me. My friend is
former State Senator Bill Richardson, who served 24 years in the
California Legislature. He is also the Chairman of Gun Owners of
America and Gun Owners of California.  He left the Legislature to
become more effective with Gun Owners. Run by Larry Pratt in
Washington, Gun Owners has become one of the most effective lobbies in
Washington.

Richardson writes for his own website:

"They [Democrats] benefit from the flood of illegal immigrants-not
only from the possibility that they may someday register to vote as
Democrats  -- BUT THE DEFINITE IMPACT THEY HAVE ON THE CENSUS.

The Democrats' dirty little secret is knowing how to use illegal
aliens, although NOT registered to vote, to help them elect a
disproportionate number of left wing Democrats to office.

Few know that reapportionment of legislative districts is based on
census data, i.e. the body count, NOT registered voters. The law
requires approximately the same number of people (men, women, children
and babies) living with-in the boundaries of each district.

Illegal aliens, out of necessity and for cover, gravitate to population
centers, where they can mingle with those who speak their language.
Therefore they enlarge the ranks of the Mexican American population.
Like African Americans, not a high percentage of Mexican American
register to vote, leaving an opportunity for a small body of left wing
activists inside the Mexican area to run for office with financial help
from outside left-wing liberals.

As an example, imagine a border state X with a census count of
2,000,000 of which 20% are illegal aliens (400,000). According to law
each state Senate district should have 100,000 people living in it. In
state X out of the population of two million, including illegal aliens,
only a million can vote legally, because they bother to register to
vote. The state's registered voters are half Democrat and half
Republican. One could assume that in a normal election all the seats
would be competitive with either party having a chance to control the
legislature.

However, look at what could happen if liberal Democrats are in control
of the Committee responsible for reapportioning state X. Using just
three districts as an example, see what can happen with an abundance of
illegal aliens:

          Population  (D)   (R) illegal aliens and
                               unregistered citizens
District 1 100,000 20,000  5,000  75,000
District 2 100,000 30,000 10,000  60,000
District 3 100,000 10,000 45,000  45,000
Totals     300,000 60,000 60,000 180,000

By careful maneuvering of district lines, the Democrat reapportionment
Committee has done the following: By combining the large number of
illegal aliens and unregistered Americans, with a relatively small
number of registered Democrats and a smaller group of registered
Republicans, they create a sizeable number of safe Democratic seats.
In doing so, it requires them to cram as many registered Republicans in
as few districts as possible. They don't care if there are a few
Republicans in the legislature as long as they are not in the majority
and as long as they don't influence legislation."

Richardson told me that California would be a red state if it were not
for illegal aliens. "People wonder," said Richardson, "how California
can elect a Ronald Reagan by a million votes the first time and still
have a state Senate and state Assembly  controlled by the Democrats.
The reason is that the Democrats have controlled reapportionment for
the past 50 years." The same would hold true for two term Governor
Deukmejian and two term Governor Pete Wilson. Statewide, voters will
vote more conservative than would be reflected by the legislature. And
now that millions of illegal aliens are assisting the Democrats with
re-apportionment the state will always elect an overwhelming number of
Democrats to the state Senate and state Assembly. Moreover, by a two to
one margin, California will always send a liberal Democrat
Congressional delegation to Washington."

"Directly", said Richardson "although unknowingly [illegal aliens] play
a dominant role in how California is governed-without one of them
ever registering to vote.  Districts that are gerrymandered so
overwhelmingly one sided make a joke out of the democratic process in
California and other border states. This is jut another reason illegal
entry into this country must be stopped."

I seldom use other people's material to this extent but I felt the
point Richardson was making is so relevant to the current debate in
Congress over Illegal immigration that I thought he ought to put it in
his own words.

Frankly, in following the debate on the issue in both the United States
House of Representatives and Senate, I have not heard word one about
how illegal aliens affect re-apportionment. It is all the more reason
that the House should stand firm in its position.


subject: Re: Reapportionment Includes Unlawful Alien Residents

text:
It also includes Green Cards!

   For  all  the problems  with  illegal  immigration,  I fear  Green-carders
more. Illegal immigrants  WANT to be here. Green-carders  think it is beneath
them to apply for citisenship and look at becoming American with disdain. Yet
they stay for decades and never learn the language.  That attitude of disdain
harbors terrorists more than illegals and  it is the Green-carders who set up
and  maintain  anti-assimilationist  institutions.   The jet  plane  and  the
satellite  dish have  changed the  old paradigm  of assimilation.   I believe
Green  Cards should be  limited to  seven years,  unrenewably and  require an
English test.  It is ironic  that this suggestion,  what I see  as "moderate"
reform, seems lost in  the fog of the opposing extremes.  But  if you look at
how Giuliani's policing quality-of-life crimes reduced crime overall (because
they  guy who  littered  also  committed other  crimes),  you should  suspect
Green-card reform would solve more problems  in the long run. Don't think the
old granma  housing illegals and teaching  them to hate America  is really as
harmless  as she looks;  Without her,  the terrorists  would be  homeless and
perhaps uninspired  and she is sneaking  hate fliers into  the prayerbooks in
the guise of cleaning them.

   Then think of  something else: is one Kerry/Blue  voter worth two Bush/Red
voters?  Well, congressional reapportionment  doesn't just count citisens, it
also counts legal  and illegal aliens.  THey may not vote,  but they are used
to weight the legislative vote.   In fact, urban political machines play this
up by  setting up unelected "neighborhood" organisations  to herd immigrants,
delay   their  assimilation,  but   keep  them   vocal  enough   to  frighten
conservatives into inaction.  Lincoln  objected that slave states could count
non-voting  slaves   as  3/5   a  person  to   up  their  census   count  for
reapportionment.  Well,  today,  illegal  aliens  count  in  the  census  for
reapportionment. The  LiverHole DumbOClucks, ever since  Andrew Jackson, have
been wise  to this. This  is why they  fund "neighborhood action"  groups for
every  ethnic minority,  to keep  them from  learning English,  from becoming
citisens, from assimilating, from straying too far, but most importantly from
VOTING. See, if  they become Americans, they just might have  a mind of their
own and vote the rascals out.

				    - = -
   Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Reagan Mozart Pindus BioStrategist
	   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
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subject: Reapportionment Includes Green Cards

text:
For  all  the problems  with  illegal  immigration,  I fear  Green-carders
more. Illegal immigrants  WANT to be here. Green-carders  think it is beneath
them to apply for citisenship and look at becoming American with disdain. Yet
they stay for decades and never learn the language.  That attitude of disdain
harbors terrorists more than illegals and  it is the Green-carders who set up
and  maintain  anti-assimilationist  institutions.   The jet  plane  and  the
satellite  dish have  changed the  old paradigm  of assimilation.   I believe
Green  Cards should be  limited to  seven years,  unrenewably and  require an
English test.  It is ironic  that this suggestion,  what I see  as "moderate"
reform, seems lost in  the fog of the opposing extremes.  But  if you look at
how Giuliani's policing quality-of-life crimes reduced crime overall (because
they  guy who  littered  also  committed other  crimes),  you should  suspect
Green-card reform would solve more problems  in the long run. Don't think the
old granma  housing illegals and teaching  them to hate America  is really as
harmless  as she looks;  Without her,  the terrorists  would be  homeless and
perhaps uninspired  and she is sneaking  hate fliers into  the prayerbooks in
the guise of cleaning them.

   Then think of  something else: is one Kerry/Blue  voter worth two Bush/Red
voters?  Well, congressional reapportionment  doesn't just count citisens, it
also counts legal  and illegal aliens.  THey may not vote,  but they are used
to weight the legislative vote.   In fact, urban political machines play this
up by  setting up unelected "neighborhood" organisations  to herd immigrants,
delay   their  assimilation,  but   keep  them   vocal  enough   to  frighten
conservatives into inaction.  Lincoln  objected that slave states could count
non-voting  slaves   as  3/5   a  person  to   up  their  census   count  for
reapportionment.  Well,  today,  illegal  aliens  count  in  the  census  for
reapportionment. The  LiverHole DumbOClucks, ever since  Andrew Jackson, have
been wise  to this. This  is why they  fund "neighborhood action"  groups for
every  ethnic minority,  to keep  them from  learning English,  from becoming
citisens, from assimilating, from straying too far, but most importantly from
VOTING. See, if  they become Americans, they just might have  a mind of their
own and vote the rascals out.

				    - = -
   Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Reagan Mozart Pindus BioStrategist
	   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
  ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice.  Everything fully disclaimed.}---
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author: Notchalk

subject: static weight

text:
It's me again...

Just wondering if anyone thinks I should be worried about static weight
in my lil boy.  He has been the same weight since 11 months old, and
he's now almost 16 mo.  Still has chubby cheeks, still night feeds,
still doesn't eat much solids.

Tonight we are going to try "nini's milk" (night weaning;))

Jo


author: Chookie

subject: Re: static weight

text:
In article <eegtd8$ah7$[email]>, Notchalk <[email]>
wrote:

IIRC from a recent ABA meeting:  he should be growing in weight, height or
head circ, but not necessarily all of them.  He should be meeting his
milestones and producing the requisite number of wet nappies.  Happy and
content is good too.


subject: Re: static weight

text:
Notchalk wrote:

I don't know if this is useful or not but ds recently went for a skin
prick test for egg allergy. It came up negative. However, his vomiting
episodes after eating egg clearly indicate he is *intolerant* to eggs.
We firgured this out for ourselves before the test and the paed
confirmed this for us. This means it doesn't affect his immune systyem
but his gastric one (I know there is a proper word for it but it
escapes me now). It seems my niece has the same problem. She has
stomach aches from eating any dairy and eggs. Her tests for allergies
came back mostly negative or mild, but it's clear she is intolerant to
some foods.

It was very frustrating looking into this subject because most sites I
looked at did not make clear the difference between an allergy and an
intolerance and hardly any of them mentioned egg intolerance, only
lactose/dairy.

Good luck with the tests. I can imagine it is worrying but without
being an expert I would day having an todller constantly on the go has
got to be a good sign. We have one of those to (except he's too lazy to
toddle just yet:) - exhausting but fun!

Jeni


subject: Re: static weight

text:
Notchalk wrote:
..

He's been a poor eater of solids, but he was, if I understood your
post, still taking a lot of breastmilk.

FWIW, if he's on steroids a lot, that could be a factor.  Steroids,
esp, in high doses, can slow growth.  Definitely something to ask the
doc about, esp. if he's taking the steroids more than just
occassionally, and/or not tapering the dose.

Naomi


subject: Re: static weight

text:
Notchalk wrote:
Whoah - Eczema and asthma...that threw up some red flags to me.  My
little guy was born in the 99th percentile and by 6 months had slipped
off the charts and he also had severe eczema on his face.  He didn't
gain any weight between his 2 month and his 6 month appointment.  At
that time my pediatrician had him RAST (ie blood) tested for food
allergies.  He came up with some significant numbers for milk, soy and
eggs.  I removed them from my diet and the eczema continued.  A couple
months later I went to an allergist and she did more RAST testing for
wheat, peanut, almond, sweet potato (because we thought he was
reacting), dust mite and cat.  He came up positive for ALL except sweet
potato and dust mite.  Since eliminating his allergens, he's a MUCH
happier baby and is gaining weight.  He's also sleeping much better
too!

Consider bringing up the possibilities of food allergies at your next
ped visit.  Good luck!  This email doessn't work, but post if you want
me to contact you with any other info.

Joanne M. - BF mom avoiding all J's allergens
Jeremy - 10/05 RAST+ to: milk, soy, egg, wheat, peanut, almond, cat -
first steps this week!
Nathan - 09/02 No known allergies and TERRIFIC big brother


subject: Re: static weight

text:
[email] wrote:

So you no longer eat cats?  ;-) (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Naomi


subject: Re: static weight

text:
[email] wrote:

hee hee hee...I wrote a post over on kidswithfoodallergies.com to a
woman with a daughter with a similar allergy list and of the same age
as my son.  I mentioned that we could have an allergy free wedding in
20 years or so.  She joked that she was working on a milk, soy, egg,
wheat, peanut, tree nut and cat free wedding cake.  The whole "cat free
wedding cake" had me giggling for days.


author: Melissa

subject: Re: static weight

text:
My lil guy has done the same thing.  (Not increased in weight and increased
about 1/2 inch between his 12 month and 15 month appts).  My pediatrician
said as long as he was reaching his milestones, seemed happy, and was eating
not to be concerned.  Kids have different growing cycles (my lil guy started
out in the 95% all around and now is down in the 45 for weight and 50 for
height...still 95% in headsize though, his daddy has a big head too!) So as
long as everything seems good..I wouldn't worry too much, just keep an eye
out etc.  Glad to hear the night weaning went well!

Melissa Walton
Mom to Connor born 05/24/05


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: static weight

text:
Notchalk wrote:

Since you are asking, yes, I would be concerned.  While it's certainly
not abnormal for weight gain to slow, or for babies to gradually drop
down percentiles, to my mind NO weight gain for 5 months in an infant
or toddler is a red flag, especially when that lack of gain drops him
off the bottom on the charts  (My daughter went throw periods of slow
gain, and hovered around the 5th percentile,  but even during those
times she gained SOMETHING ... typically around 8 ounces in the 3
months between appointments/weight checks.) If he was a poor eater that
might explain it, but given that he's still nursing often and eating
some solid foods ... well ... it doesn't seem quite right.

There could be nothing wrong, but I think it's better to check and find
nothing than to not check and miss something treatable.  I'd ask the
ped about running some tests.

Naomi


subject: Re: static weight

text:
On 2006-09-16 21:18:33 +0800, Notchalk <[email]> said:

P.S. he is 8.7kg or 19lbs

Hence, lil boy ;)


author: col

subject: Re: static weight

text:
Notchalk wrote:

 hi
I dont think you should worry a lot of baby stay a the same weight for
a while especial at this age
Is he walking yet and what age did he start? because that can be why he
isnt putting on weight just burns it off everytime
 What does your health visiter say? If she not worried I wouldnt be
 As for the eatin my son has never been a big eater as long as he still
having his milk he having somthing which is the main thing
Good luck with ninis milk
 If your stillworried get him checked Im sure hes fine but there
nothing like reasurance


subject: Re: static weight

text:
On 2006-09-22 23:16:14 +0800, "[email]"
<[email]> said:

hehe it is exhausting but fun!

Well, for the first time EVER, Will slept through the whole night from
8pm till almost 6am the other night, and last night he only woke once
briefly about 11pm.

Tonight he ate more for dinner than he ever has before and still had a
breastfeed before bed.

This night weaning thing is so far working wonders for his appetite
during the day, and slowly positively impacting his sleeping patterns.

I think we're onto a winner.

DH is intollerant to eggs, too.  I've not noticed any issues with Will
and eggs - he likes them. But I still have it in the back of my mind.
I haven't gone the skin prick route yet.  His eczema isn't horribly bad
atm, since changing to a bit of soy - milk on cereal, yoghurt (not a
favourite) and some tofu for fun.  Then I read that a glass of soy milk
is like giving him 3 OCPs worth of oestrogen!  So going to go back to
dairy for a bit and see if his skin flares up again.  Trouble is the
chlorine from the heated swimming pool at lessons once a week messes up
the elimination diet results ;)

*sigh* we'll work it out.  Things are starting to work out well now, anyway.

Thanks for posting!!

Jo


subject: Re: static weight

text:
On 2006-09-19 23:51:14 +0800, [email] said:

Yup, he was taking as much as he wanted - never more though, I would
often still be leaking from letdown once he'd decided he'd had enough.

He is on steroid cream for his skin, and he's been on prednisolone only
twice for his cough (asthma).  We are trialling a non-steroid cream atm
that is TWICE the price - seems to work but not as well/fast.  I hate
using steroids, but one of the paeds at work says you end up using less
if you use a tiny bit each day rather than a good dose every few days
for the flareups.

:)

Thanks,
Jo


subject: Re: static weight

text:
On 2006-09-20 02:22:21 +0800, [email] said:

Yup that was one of my first thoughts, too. He has had 2 RASTs done,
one pre solids and one just recently. First one came up clear, second
one came us as allergic to animals (dog, cat, horse and/or cow) and
dust/mites and cockroaches (!!??).  Our dogs are outside and I already
knew he was allergic to them... a single lick on the cheek comes up in
welts.  So we make sure to wash thoroughly after going outside.

I was surprised that dairy, eggs, peanuts, wheat, etc came up as
negative, so it seems he does not have any food allergies.  However I'm
still skeptical.  He is now having soy milk on his cereal, and soy
yoghurt, but is still having small bits of cheese.  His IgE came up as
257 when it should be below 6, so taht shows his immune system has a
large tendancy to overreact to stuff in general.  None of this
surprises me, given our family history.  I sometimes think I'm being
selfish for having a baby with our family history of inconvenient
ailments!

I do find that if his skin is clear for a day, that is the day he'll
sleep better, so we are being more dilligent with putting cream on his
itchy bits instead of holding off on the steroids.

His lovely clear skin was marred yesterday by the swimming pool
chlorine at his lesson - must shower him off after lessons!

Thnks, Joanne!

Jo (also a Joanne)


subject: Re: static weight

text:
On 2006-09-20 03:49:33 +0800, [email] said:

But they are so tasty!  ;)

I think cat is a very common allergen - I've been allergic to them for
longer than I can remember.  Can't touch one then touch my face/eyes or
there'll be hives galore.... and lots of itching.

But I do like them

Jo


subject: Re: static weight

text:
On 2006-09-17 11:55:21 +0800, Irrational Number <[email]> said:

a bit, yes... but I just checked and he's dropped off the charts in
that area, too.  At least he's thorough!

Jo


subject: Re: static weight

text:
On 2006-09-17 23:37:38 +0800, "Melissa" <[email]> said:

Will was on the 50th %ile and is now below the 3rd.  Technically he
should be considered FTT but looking at his chubby cheeks, I know he's
not.  He's getting smarter each day, climbing up anything, adding more
words, running, all that stuff. I guess I was just after people's
thoughts on whether they would be worried in the same situation.

Thanks, Melissa!

Jo (Mum to Will, born 3 days after Connor)


subject: Re: static weight

text:
On 2006-09-19 00:42:53 +0800, [email] said:

Thanks for your honesty, Naomi.

There is a drop-in weight clinic in the morning which I am going to
take him in to, and see what they think.  The whole picture seems to me
that he's fine (given my husband's history of tiny growth until he was
15) but it's the numbers that are getting to me.

He IS a poor eater - that is until the last 3 days when we've night
weaned him (pretty much cold turkey, just to get him hungry).  It's
seeming to work so far.  He actually ate 1/2 a weetbix for breakfast
this morning, rather than a single teaspoon of whatever I've ever
offered him.

I've had him to the GP 3 times in the last few months for his eczema
and asthma, and just as an aside mentioned his weight (needed it for
the prednisolone dose) and he didn't bat an eyelid.  I think if it was
a way out, "He's TINY" then he'd make some kind of noise other than a
nod ;)

Anyway, thanks again for your advice :)

Jo


subject: Re: static weight

text:
On 2006-09-17 04:48:11 +0800, "col" <[email]> said:

Hi :)

He has been walking since just before 13 months, and yes, he is always
on the go!
Next visit to CHN is in 2 months time, so I'll see what she says then.

Last night's "nini's milk" went ok - he only fed at 4am and 7:30am
(after a bedtime feed at 7pm)  DH was able to resettle him when he woke
between 7pm and 4am though without TOO much trouble.  So he went a good
9 hours without a BF for the first time.  Today I'm just going to make
sure I offer him something to eat every 1/2 hour or so ;)

Thanks :)

Jo


author: Beth Kevles

subject: Re: static weight

text:
Hi --

Remember that the allergy tests (rast and skin both) are okay, but not
excellent.  They work better as you get older, but never approach 100%.
Which means that if you have a child with symptoms of allergy (ie
eczema) then it makes sense to try out an elimination diet.  If you do
one in conjunction with a food diary, you get a MUCH more reliable
indicator or what his allergies may be.

You may find the book "Is This Your Child" by Dr. Doris Rapp to be
interesting reading.  You should be able to get it at your local
library, and it's a pretty easy read.

Good luck with the allergies,
--Beth Kevles
  [email]
  http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic
  Disclaimer:  Nothing in this message should be construed as medical
  advice.  Please consult with your own medical practicioner.

NOTE:  No email is read at my MIT address.  Use the AOL one if you would
like me to reply.


author: Anne Rogers

subject: Re: static weight

text:
I think that's because as a one off, yes it's small, but it isn't tiny, my
first was below this weight through all the time yours has been this weight,
but he was increasing. He's even smaller proportionally now and as a one off
weighing we never get a comment, I think in the end, with both boys and
girls charts very few people actually know without looking what a normal
range of weights are for any given age.

FWIW I agree with Naomi, I suspect it's far more behavioural, that night
weaning and persistance with getting a good amount of solids in is likely to
sort things out (also, remember, that even with the right amount of calories
going in, if not enough sleep is occuring, it will be burned up with staying
awake, rather than growing), but with zero weight gain I'd want some checks,
myself, I'd particularly ask for a celiac disease check. We've just been
through similar with our 3 year old, we haven't got the test results back
yet, but the paed said in the end, if he's behaving in a healthy way,
developing normally etc. the chances of anything being wrong are very slim,
but you can't ignore it forever either and a few simple tests mostly likely
puts ones mind at rest and a less worried parent is going to be a better
parent when it comes to encouraging routines and habits that are going to
help the child thrive.

Cheers

Anne


subject: Re: static weight

text:
On 2006-09-19 21:40:38 +0800, "Anne Rogers" <[email]> said:

That makes sense, Anne.  He has always woken several times a night, and
once awake for the day, is ALWAYS on the go and wanting attention.  He
is in the "spirited" or "high needs" category ;)

I am wondering what the signs of coeliac disease are - I thought there
would be abdominal cramping or other bowel symptoms?

I got him weighed this morning and on the same scales at 12 months old
he was 8.2kg, and he's now 8.7kg, so that IS a gain, however small.  He
has also grown 6cm in height...  I measured him myself the other day
and it wasn't so accurate, it seems.

Anyway, I'll ask the doc about some tests next time I go see him for
the inevitable eczema or asthma and see what he thinks :)

Thanks, Anne.

Jo


subject: Re: static weight

text:
I think my DS was the same, but his weight gain improved so much when he
stopped waking up and eating 3 times a night!

there are usually, but it can be silent, or silent with the exception of
lack of weight gain

that seems a lot better, ok, so it's only a pound in 3 months, but weight
gain does have to slow down at some point! I'm be leaping around and
rejoicing if my toddler put on a pound in 3 months!

cheers

Anne


author: Eel-vis Blashly

subject: Finally Got My Surgery And Encourage Others To Look Into Circumcision Reversal

text:
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subject:
Re: Finally Got My Surgery And Encourage Others To Look Into
 Circumcision Reversal

text:
On Aug 9, 1:00 am, [email] (Michael America) wrote:

You realize Abraham was Arab.....and moslems cut their babies same as
the jewboys.

Yeah, i'm a student....in the same universe in which  Comix belongs to
MENSA.


author: Tony

text:
I'll foward this post to JF Mezei.

Eel-vis Blashly wrote:

--
The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG

Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city

Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know
proper manners

Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first
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Bur-ring, i'll get this one: WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM JERK!!? We're here to
help you dickweed, ok, ok give the power cord the jiggily piggily wiggily
all the while pushing the power button repeatedly now take everything out
of your computer except the power supply and *one* stick of ram. Ok get
the next sucker on the phone.

Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR (Deirdre McFibber)

There's the employer and the employee and the FROGGER and the FROGEE,
which one are you?

Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar (I just got EL-FROG-OED!!)

All hail Chuckcar the CZAR!! Or in F-R-O-Gland Chuckcar laFROG laCZAR,
ChuckZar!!

I hate them both, With useless bogus bullshit you need at least *three*
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I'm a fulltime text *only* man on usenet now. The rest of the world
downloads the binary files not me i can't afford thousands of dollars a
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VBB = Volume based billing. How many bytes can we shove down your throat
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The only "fix" for the CellPig modem is a sledgehammer.

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This sig file was compiled via my journeys through usenet


author: shortT

text:
On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:31:54 PM UTC-4, Eel-vis Blashly wrote:

Dude. Invest in tattoo removal. In a few years you will be rich.


text:
One of my live in girlz just got a tatt (without my perm or knowledge,
as if) and, in case you've not noticed,
we are not young people, not even at heart.

If i make a fuss about it be assured she will soon have several.

I love the removal idea, wanna see ink run?   Give that tatt on tit 10
years, it'll be on her knees.


text:
On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 10:55:02 PM UTC-4, Eel-vis Blashly wrote:

Here is another. Invest in power chairs. As people's weight keeps rising they will sell like hotcakes. What a world!


text:
I wanna make money at this, how do we short common sense, exercise,
dietary moderation
and being decent?
Other than voting o'bamama, that is.....


author: Michael America

subject:
Re: Finally Got My Surgery And Encourage Others To Look Into
	Circumcision Reversal

text:
this piece of shit posts this because abraham made a deal with GOD that
all males would be circumsized as a sign of a covennent with GOD. THIS
IS WHY THE LEFT WINGERS HATE IT SO MUCH.
in return,GOD  promised abraham prosperity and the blessing on all his
decendents..remember, buffy is an arab student from canada whose cousin
was killed fighting americans in iraq...i heard his cousin shit his
pants and begged like a little girl before the marines killed him..


author: -DirtBag

subject:
Re: Finally Got My Surgery And Encourage Others To Look Into Circumcision
 Reversal

text:
On 8/7/12 6:48 PM, shortT wrote:

Hell YES!    First machine that can do it without huge # multiple visits
without much burning will clean up.   Tats look like shit when your over
40.


text:
On 8/8/12 8:34 PM, Eel-vis Blashly wrote:

McDonalds MDC   thats the play on fat.


author: Scott

subject: Paying Estimated Tax Question

text:
I'm self-employed, and it looks like I made enough income
in 2002 to go over the $500 threshold for needing to pay
estimated taxes quarterly.  This is the first time this has
happened.  Is the need to pay estimated tax based on the
first tax return where the $500 threshold is reached...or
does the IRS expect one to forsee the tax owed and start
paying it during the affected tax year..before that year's
tax return is prepared?

Thanks!
Scott


author: ed

subject: Re: Paying Estimated Tax Question

text:
Scott <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

The "threshhold" is now $1,000 you can owe without a penalty or paying
estimates, but once over that you must pay at least year's tax amount,
or 90% of the curent year's tax.  Also, your tax includes SE tax,
which will be considerably more than your regular tax.
You should compute your net income for the first quarter, annualize it
(multiply by 4) and compute the tax on it, and multiply that annual
tax by .225 to get your first installment.
Read publication 505, form ES instructions, form 2210 and instructions
and get a calculator for this at www.edcosoft.com/qitc.html


subject: Re: Paying Estimated Tax Question

text:
ed,

Thanks for the info on Pub 505.  I checked it out, and it
says:  "Generally, you do not have to pay an underpayment
penalty if either of the following conditions apply:  Your total
tax is less than $1,000, (less withholding and credits) or
you had no tax liability last year."

I had no tax liability in 2001, so it looks like I'm alright on
the penalty.  However, I will get the first quarterly estimated
tax payment for 2003 sent in by Apr 15th.

Scott

ed wrote:


subject: Re: Paying Estimated Tax Question

text:
Scott <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Sorry, Scott, I left out a word.  "You must pay at least *LAST* year's
tax amount or 90%......."
So if your tax last year, 2002, was, say, $800 you only have to pay
$200 each quarter in 2003.  ed


subject: Re: Paying Estimated Tax Question

text:
ed,

OK, that makes sense now!  It's also my understanding that one
must pay either "last years tax amount or 90%...."  whichever is
smaller.  In 2001, my tax liability was 0, so I figure I didn't need
to be making estimated payments in 2002...but I will have to
start as of April 15, 2003. Am I right?

Scott

ed wrote:


subject: Re: Paying Estimated Tax Question

text:
Scott <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Yes, that is correct.   No payments O.K. in 2002.  In 2003 1/4 of 2002
taxes is safe, but you could pay less if your income reduces from
2002.  ed


author: Al Brown

subject: Re: Caffiene and fat burning

text:
I would like to know more about this myself.  I had always been told to avoid
coffee (ie. caffeine) before any form of vigorous exercise.  Is it really all
that bad after all?

--Craig


subject: Re: Caffiene and fat burning

text:
|>
|>I would like to know more about this myself.  I had always been told to avoid
|>coffee (ie. caffeine) before any form of vigorous exercise.  Is it really all
|>that bad after all?
|>
|>--Craig
|>

I recently read a book "making the Marathon Your Event" - Richard Benyo, which
I thought was done very well...even if you were not interested in running
marathons.  Anyways I have heard many times in the past positive and negative
comments on caffine, but this was one of the only times I saw it in print in a
positive manner.  It states:

"Your increasing level or endurance over the 16-20 week program will,among
other things, teach your body to make a subtle shift to rely more on the free
fatty acids that area available in your bloodstream as an energy source instead
of almost exlusively on the glycogen stored in the muscles and liver.  There
is an almost limitless supply of free fatty acids, but it is much more
difficult for the body to convert them to energy than it is to use the limited
supply of glycogen.  It has been found that caffeine can jump-start the
free fatty acid use sequence, which is why before a long run or a marathon
some runners drink a cup or two of strong coffee...Some people, however,
do not perform well after drinking coffee because it upsets an already
nervous stomach.  The use or avoidance of caffeine is something with
which you may want to experiment on your longer runs".


author: Geoff Matter

subject: Re: Caffiene and fat burning

text:
In article <2guvck$[email]> [email] () writes:
I almost always have a cup of coffee before my morning workout.  These workouts
are often longish runs or XC skiing.  I do feel it makes the first half hour
"easier" in that my energy level has already surpassed that "just got out of
bed" feeling.

It does sometimes require an extra pit stop be made an hour into a run.

I start out so slowly in marathons I avoid the coffee.  I do not want to
feel energetic early on as that may lead to an overly quick pace.  Besides,
making a pit stop during the Boston Marathon is a logistical nightmare!

Geoff


subject: Re: Caffiene and fat burning

text:
|>In article <2guvck$[email]> [email] () writes:
|>>
|>>BTW I will be running a marathon (off season training) this weekend and I will
|>>have a cup of coffee in the morning before the race :-)
|>>
|>I almost always have a cup of coffee before my morning workout.  These workouts
|>are often longish runs or XC skiing.  I do feel it makes the first half hour
|>"easier" in that my energy level has already surpassed that "just got out of
|>bed" feeling.
|>
|>It does sometimes require an extra pit stop be made an hour into a run.
|>
|>I start out so slowly in marathons I avoid the coffee.  I do not want to
|>feel energetic early on as that may lead to an overly quick pace.  Besides,
|>making a pit stop during the Boston Marathon is a logistical nightmare!
|>
|>Geoff
|>
|>

Well this time I decided to make the coffee a bit stronger to avoid a pit stop.
Actually the logistics of the marathon was that you had to be at the starting
area at 5:00 am and the start was at 6:05...this worked out fine to get rid of
excess liquids.  Now that my first marathon is over I'm hooked and want to
do another one and push it a bit more.  Just wore my heart rate monitor for
the race and maintained a heart rate that I believed I could maintain, a little
below my AT (aerobic threshold).  Ended up running very even splits of around
6:45 miles with an official time [from the time the gun goes off till the
finish] of a 2:58:10 and an unofficial 2:56:08 (I got stepped on a bit at the
start and had to sit there and put my shoe back on and...)

Anyways still a believer that this theory is true.

-Jay Feenan


author: JJGun

subject: Re: Pangborn's HERO, Dr. Ralph C. Underwager Re: THEY JUST DON'T GET IT

text:
[email] (Kenpangborn) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

  No Pangborn, since I quoted YOU and not someone named "Philip Lewis"
I'll stop you right there liar. Your lies are too easy to catch.
Challenge me for God's sake! Challenge me!


author: Kenpangborn

subject: Re: A David Moore by any other name is still a PSYCHO

text:
David Dennis Moore of Bolingbrook, Illinois

 BIG EDIT BY DAVEY MOORE....

 Hmm Davey, far enough removed from your original claim yet? The one with the
Google reference? Hoping that maybe NOBODY will notice what you have editied
out in desperate hope you can get away with more lies?  Like the part that MY
comments were made to Phil Lewis?  HUH DAVEY?

Okay, Moore, I challenge you to EVER tell the truth! I have NO fears of you
ever meeting that challenge.

My comment to Mr. Lewis was that I regarded Mz. Kates attacks on ME as a badge
of honor since she HATES fathers and refers to all of us as "SPERM DONORS and
NO more!"  So I wa sreferring to the ENTIRE list of men including Dr. Warren
Farrell and about 20 father's rights activists as something to take note of.

NOW, let's cut through your bullsquat Moore. At the TIME of that comment, YOU
were claiming to be "AMAERICA'S FOREMOST FATHER'S RIGHTS ACTIVIST." Yet ODDLY
it seems Mz. Kates took NO notice of an insignificant little pissant PRETENDER!
 You were a loser THEN Moore and you are even a bigger LOSER today!


subject: Re: A KEN PANGBORN  by any other name is still a PSYCHO who supports a pro-pedophile

text:
[email] (Kenpangborn) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

  I didn't give a Google reference for a post that was made by any
"Philip Lewis" Pangborn.  I gave a quote by YOU, the person who
advocates, likes and SUPPORTS pro-pedophilia Ralph Underwager who
looks at that crime as "God's will".


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author: Karl Thrasher

subject: START YOUR OWN COMPUTER RESELLING BIZ!

text:
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author: Dr. W. Frank

subject: Re: FS: 6x IDE CD ROMS  $185

text:
In article <4aiddl$[email]>, [email] (T.F.I.
Enterprises) wrote:

I remember the low-ball priced 4X CD-Roms
sold by Computer City but "made by Acer" were:

      1. Made in China
      2. Had only a 64K cache, smallest extant!

Do your 6X CD ROMS have the same two unacceptable
characteristics????


author: Pete Stapleton

subject: NEW INTRA-DAY SOYBEAN PREDICTION

text:
PREDICTIVE DIFFERENCE

For the past three years I have been
posting predictions every three or
four months as Stapleton's Astro Market
Numbers indicated.

Each prediction was posted a few days in
advance of the dates of the predicted
Market price swing.  So far they
have all been 100% accurate, and as noted,
have all been a result of Stapleton's Astro
Market Numbers signals.

The Astro Market Numbers show the electro
magnetic condition of the world on a daily
basis, and on a minute by minute basis
when needed.

However, to use them on a minute by minute
basis to predict intra-day price movement
hasn't worked out, in the sense the numbers
were not sensitive enough to anticipate the minute
by minute price swings.

Minute by minute prices are as volitile as Keeno &
lottery numbers. It was possible a Astro Market
Number prediction of a price movement of one point
up and the price indicator moved a point down - it
would still be a ballpark call as far as the numbers
were concerned - But certainly not profitable.

Now, within the last month, I have refined the
calculation process of the Astro Market Numbers.
Hence, they should be able to do accurate intra
day predictions.  So in order to keep me honest
with myself - let's do the first test of the
ability of the Astro Numbers to do intra-day
predictions here on the intranet - misc.invest,
etc.

So, the first prediction will be:

THERE WILL BE AN INTRA-DAY SOYBEAN FUTURES PRICE
PEAK FROM 00:30 PM TO 01.01 PM, ON MAY 04, 1998.

TO MAKE CERTAIN THE PREDICTION IS CLEAR.

THE COMMODITY WILL BE SOYBEAN FUTURES.

THE DATE WILL BE MAY 04,1998 (MONDAY)

THERE WILL BE A PEAK IN THE INTRA DAY
TRADING PRICE OF SOYBEANS

BETWEEN 00:30 PM AND 01.01 PM.

(The safest trade may be to buy in about
00:25pm to 00:29 pm - and then ride the
beast until 00:40 pm.  Then try to get
out on the top of the up swing. If the
prediction is correct - then the upswing
should last until 00:43 pm to 00:44 pm

The exact top depends upon the amperage
of the celestial energies involved.  And
since this all depends upon a sunspot flare
which started on April 19, 1998, then it
should be interesting to see what develops.)

Pete

DISCLAIMER: STAPLETON'S ASTRO MARKET NUMBERS
are based upon an Astrology that works every
time reduced to numbers - the language
of science.

THE ENTIRE CREDENTIALED COMMUNITY !!! KNOWS!!!
ASTROLOGY HAS TO BE A MAGICAL BELIEF. SINCE THE
PREDICTION ABOVE IS BASED UPON ASTROLOGY REDUCED
TO NUMBERS - THEN IT HAS TO BE BASED UPON A
MAGICAL BELIEF ACCORDING TO THIS SAME GROUP.

Download 1998 SIDEREAL/TROPICAL EPHEMERIS (FREE)
NOW  from  www.c-zone.net/sidereal/
See Stapletons Astro Market Numbers For APR 1998


author: fashion t shirts seller

text:
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Burberry Bags   china supplier
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Bottega Veneta  china supplier
Bally Bags   china supplier
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Isabella Fiore Bags   china supplier (paypalment)(( http://www.brandtrade10.com
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author: James W Anderson

subject: Re: Google Allows Flagrant Spammers

text:
If Google sees enough reports indicating the top message in this
thread is spam, about the counterfeit goods, then they will deal with
it.

It's easy to do, although the method is not in compliance with RFC
2142 and two other RFCs.

Simply log into your Google Account, go to this group and this thread,
then when you open this thread you'll see the top message, which has
the spam in it.

Click on 'More Options', and you'll see more header info plus a
variety of viewing and other options.  One of them is 'Report This
Message'.  Click on that, a new tab will open and will be ready to go
since the 'This message is spam' radio button is pre-filled.  At the
bottom will be antoher button so click on that, a confirmation message
will appear.  When you see that simply click away the extra tab.

Anywhere you see spam in Google Groups you can do this with the spam
messages.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Google Allows Flagrant Spammers

text:
On May 1, 1:05 pm, [email] (Random Waftings Of
Bunker Blasts) wrote:
are you going to sue Google?  Do you have a lawyer?  Please keep us
posted


subject:
Re: Isabella Fiore Bags china supplier (paypalment)((
	http://www.brandtrade10.com ))

text:
Known flagrant Chinese counterfeit goods spammer.  Sent Google the
report about this.


author: Elmer

subject: Google Allows Flagrant Spammers

text:
On May 1, 12:28 am, James W Anderson <[email]> wrote:

Apparently Google has no interest in banning this kind of spammer. The
user has been around since August of last year, all the while spewing
nothing but spam to hundreds of newsgroups!

It'd be easy enough to automatically identify these posts as spam,
simply from their content and other user patterns. Surely in the ten
months they've been doing it, plenty of people have reported the posts
to Google as spam. Maybe they've just given up on trying to stop it.

Elmer


author: Larry Sheldon

subject: Re: Google Allows Flagrant Spammers

text:
On 5/1/2010 00:18, Elmer wrote:

What's interesting is, since my provider has no interest in propagating
spam or many trolls, I have no idea what y'all are talking about.


author: Random Waftings Of Bunker Blasts

subject: Re: Google Allows Flagrant Spammers

text:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:18:12 -0700 (PDT), Elmer <[email]> said:

Google has no interest in doing anything right anymore.

Google just stiffed me out of hundreds of dollars by yanking my AdSense
account for no apparent reason and refusing to pay me the money they owe. I
guess they like getting sued.


author: Damon R. Milhem

subject: Sound Boards for Sale!  16 bit SB compat & wavetable add-on

text:
Hello.  I'm selling the following 3 sound cards on AuctionWeb.  Low
starting bids!

Follow the web link listed below the item to read the complete description
or place a bid, or go to http://www.ebay.com/aw/ and search for the item
number.

Sound Galaxy NX Pro 16
  Sound Blaster Compatible 16 bit sound card
  http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=lcp84940

Sound Conductor 16 PnP
  Sound Blaster Compatible 16 bit Audiodrive ESS 1868 sound card
  http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=msm25648

Turtle Beach Maui Wavetable Add-On Board
  Adds great wavetable sound to your current sound setup
  http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=nsp4763

- Damon Milhem
  [email]

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author: Boundless

subject: Need freedom related info

text:
We are creating a new site about achieving personal freedom. We are
collecting links, articles, and other information for publication on the
site. If know of or have any such items that you would like published on
this site, please e-mail us more information at this account. We will review
the information. If we think that it is relavant and fits our guidelines, we
will add it to our site.

[email]
Thanks


author: Brad S.

subject: Re: Need freedom related info

text:
"Boundless" <[email]> wrote in message
news:NBzKa.11432
review
we

here's a link that's "relavant"  -  http://www.fairmark.com/


author: OnryAnRkst

subject: Re: Need freedom related info

text:
At that link, one of the first things you'll see, is:

"You have a right — and an obligation — to understand the
tax laws that apply to you." --Kaye Thomas

At this link http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/po3516.htm
you'll see the Treasury Assistant Secretary for Tax Policy
say this:

"[T]axpayers need to know up-front what their tax paying responsibilities
are so they can comply with the law.  But, the tax law is far too complex for
that to be possible." --Pamela F. Olson

So much for your "obligation" to understand the law . . .

--OnryAnRkst

                      http://NoGov4me.net


subject: FS: HDD's, floppy, misc SW

text:
I have the following items for sale.  Email [email] if
you're interested in buying.  Buyer pays shipping via UPS or FedEx
(so we both can track the package!) or we can arrange a pick up or
drop off in the Boston or Concord,MA area.

Pentium 90MHz w/fan.........................................$20

170MB HDD Conner CP30174E...................................$20
	3.5" half height

Seagate 330MB SCSI HDD......................................$20
	full height 5.25"

1.44MB 3.5" floppy in 5.25" caddy...........................$10
	If you remove it from the caddy, you lose the faceplate
	so it needs to be in a 5.25" drive bay.

Symantec Visual Page........................................$BO
	still in shrink wrap
Microsoft Money 97..........................................$BO
	open, but complete and unused.

8 SIMMs 30 pin 1MB 60 ns ...................................$BO

Cache chips
	(8) 256K (32 x 8) UM61256FK-15 28 pin DIP...........$BO
	(8) 256K (32 x 8) W24257AK-15 28 pin DIP............$BO


subject: Hammer Strength plate-loaded vs. MTS

text:
I joined the South Loop Fitplex in Chicago a few months ago while the
facility was being built. While I was waiting for the gym to be
completed, I had access to the other Fitplex gyms in the area and I
really enjoyed doing rows on plate-loaded Hammer Strength machines.
Today I went to the new gym (access to other gyms ended because the new
gym was finished), where instead of plate-loaded machines, management
chose to install the Hammer Strength MTS line, which uses cables/belts
and pullies. My back workout just sucked. The machine just felt wrong,
and the weight stack for the high row machine was insufficient. I'd
feel like a tough guy for obsoleting a machine if the mirror didn't
laugh at my fat ass.

1. Is the difference in feel between plate-loaded and belt-type
machines all in my head?
2. Why do you think the gym paid twice as much for the MTS machines
when the other machines work fine?

Also of note, the gym features 45 cardio machines (each with its own
LCD television), two group exercise rooms, one squat rack (nestled in a
corner), and two flat benches. The lesson here is to never join a gym
before it's built.

Honest answers (and even flames) are appreciated.