subject: Re: Burlington...

text:
A protection against creditors does not mean that BMC will not pay.  It is not
a true bankruptcy.   They still have to pay insurance, fuel, maintenance etc..

They still have to pay the creditors eventually.  A real bankrupcy would mean
that the doors are  closed and they are not longer in operation and no one gets
paid.

It would similar to someone going to a credit counselor and asking for help on
how to pay the bills.   They setup with the people you owe monthly payments.
In return the people that you owe don't call you every other day.  It's not a
proper explanation but it is somewhat close.

mary e.


author: TRKSMOVEAMERICA

subject: Re: Burlington...

text:
Who said it was OK?  Do you think BMC will have drivers beating down
their door to hire on?  Do you think that BMC will have a harder time
getting credit?


author: Rhonda Buchta

subject: Re: Burlington...

text:
I work for that division, and although the letter they sent home to every
one of us states it will in no way effect out division, all I can say is BS!

IF my parent company goes bankrupt it will eventually effect me.  IF they
have to sell out that division it affects me   IF they totally shut down
without the courts approval to go ahead with the reconsolidation  of debt
then it affects me as  more than likely it will affect my paycheck or lack
there of.

My boss is a PRICK!  He's an arrogant SOB! So with them buying up all the
mom and pop companies, and then begging for refinancing, and my boss having
the "I'm better than you"' attitude, i'm searching for a new  job.  I have
to ensure that if something ever happens to  hubby, that I will have a
source of income.

Rhonda

"Allan & Mary" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
closing
Eventually


author: M Tools

subject: Re: Burlington...

text:
Oh man.... Worked for them once, it's just part of their business plan. They
have done this one before, will likely do it again. I would not work for
them again though.
"TRKSMOVEAMERICA" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
then
that
was
what she
lifes !
people's
Would you


author: tscottme

subject: Re: Burlington...

text:
TRKSMOVEAMERICA wrote:

Well Mr Trks, first you might want read and understand the word "cocky"
before you accuse me of being that.  "Opinionated" is a more accurate
description.  Second you might want to read and repost the portion of my
message  where "I gave [you] the mess about people file bankruptcy are
such low lifes !"  It never happened and you shouldn't be so defensive.
  Third, people in my family have filed for bankruptcy so I am very well
aware that there are "good" reasons and "bad" reasons for doing so.

It doesn't do anyone any good to kid themselves and think filing
bankruptcy doesn't screw up your life for years to come.  Is it better
than the alternative, sometimes yes, sometimes no.  Would it be cool to
be able to run up some big bills, sign your name on a form and skate out
on repaying those debts, sure.  Would anyone here like it if their boss
or someone that owes them money did that to them? Of course not.  If
they wouldn't want it done to them it probably isn't something they
should do to someone else.


author: Thomas Hackett

subject: !!!!386 System for sale!!!!!

text:
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author: Murray Morris

subject: FS: 8GB Quantum UDMA Hard Drive - $195

text:
Quantum Bigfoot TX Ultra DMA (33 transfer rate to host) for sale. I've
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great but I picked up an 11.5GB drive so don't need all the space.

$195 + shipping (approx $10).  Price is firm.

E-mail if interested

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subject: Nordstrom, Inc. - JWN

text:
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author: Stan Brown

subject: Re: Another Positive amazon.com Experience

text:
"Scott en Aztlan" <[email]> wrote in
misc.consumers:

For you, maybe.

In June I ordered a DVD and two copies of a CD, both listed as in
stock, for free shipping.

About the expected ship date I got an e-mail that there was an
unspecified "problem" with the DVD and it would ship a couple of
weeks late.

A few days later I got another e-mail that there was a unspecified
"problem" with the CDs and that they might ship in August.

Long story short, I did eventually get the DVD and one copy of the
CD, but gave up waiting for the other and told them to cancel.

Both were to have been birthday gifts, and I ordered in what should
have been plenty of time allowing for the slow free shipping, but
because Amazon lied about availability and I believed the lie, I had
to scramble at the last minute to find something else.

Amazon has a good selection and a good Web site, but I think it's
gotten too big for its britches.


author: Kent Wills

text:
Someone once told me that on Sun, 5 Sep 2004 10:10:51 -0400, Stan
Brown <[email]> wrote:

[...]

	I had a similar experience.
	I ordered Alphaville's "Stark Naked and Absolutely Live" CD.
When the estimated arrival date came and went, I wasn't too worried.
It was just an estimate.  A week later I checked the site.  It hadn't
even been shipped yet.
	I wrote Amazon asking about the matter.  I got a lot of run
around and canceled the order.  I ordered the CD from a local store
(CD Warehouse) and got it six days latter.  Amazon's charge was around
$17.00.  The store charged me just under $13.00.
	I only use Amazon if there is no other way to get something.
They cost more and delivery takes longer.

Kent


author: Hal Hanig

text:
Kent Wills wrote:

Welcome to the club.  I no longer use them for anything.....they're not worth
the heartburn they usually cause.


author: Nonymous

text:
"Shawn Hearn" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

My experience with Amazon is this... If the product's page says "Usually
ships in 24 hours", then that's good.  That means it'll ship anywhere
between 1 to 3 days or so.  But if a product's page says "Usually ships in
48 hours", or "72 hours", etc., then all bets are off - it'll ship when it
damn well feels like shipping.


author: Stan Krute

subject: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
Hi

I've got a webpage that provides deep links
to comic strips that have been placed on
the web.

It's at http://StanKrute.com/StanleyDaily/comics

Anyone have thoughts as to the legality/illegality
of such a set of links ??

Thanks

Stan Krute


author: Isaac

subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
On 21 Jun 2002 23:09:31 -0700, Stan Krute <[email]> wrote:

Despite the fact that I think this is simply an attempt to advertise
your page, I'll bite.  I didn't go visit your page because I needed to
salvage at least a tiny bit of my self respect.  <g>

I think the law is somewhat unsettled on this issue.

It's certainly possible to use a link in a way that does create a viable
cause of action.  If the link creates a false impression of association
or endorsement, then there may be a number of causes of action including
those arising under the Lanham act.

If your link ends up causing increase traffic and resource usage on
the host computer, and the owner asks you to stop, refusing to
do so may constitute unauthorized access to that computer.  If the site
owner has a linking policy on the site, a request that you stop may not
be required in order to make your usage unauthorized.  The result
might be a number of state and federal causes of action, and your
actions might even constitue a serious criminal violation of state or federal
law.   You might even be a considered a terrorist which could have very
serious consequences.

Or that theory may be complete hogwash.  It's largely untested.

Obviously some linking is not actionable in any way.   And that's as it
should be.   The alternative is no real web at all.  But even when
there are no legitimate legal issues associated with linking, at least
some site owners still object.

People who host sites composed primarily of links to other sites,
framed or unframed, are sometimes complained about as free loaders.
Such accusations are more likely if you are taking steps to generate
revenue or to derive some benefit from traffic to your cite.

Isaac


subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
On 21 Jun 2002 23:09:31 -0700, Stan Krute <[email]> wrote:

This page has an extensive list of references on the subject.

http://www.jura.uni-tuebingen.de/~s-bes1/lcp.html

Isaac


author: Jeffrey Siegal

subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
Isaac wrote:

Which is kind of a silly argument.  If they weren't adding any value, no
one would ever use those links.  My experience is that many sites
composed primarily of links to other sites are tremendously useful.


subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
Hi Isaac

Thanks for taking time to respond ...

Nope, I'm truly curious as to folks' thoughts RE the legal
status of the deep links on the page. One interesting twist
is that they are links to GIF files rather than to HTML, PHP,
or ASP files.

I've Googled the 'net RE deep links, and not found a lot of settled
case law,
although I have found descriptions of some settlements and
some convincing (to me, at least) analyses. For example,
this (excellent IMO) work by Brian D. Wassom:

    http://wassom.com/writings/note_part02a-c.htm

Okay. One item on the site that I wanted folks' opinion on
was a prominent disclaimer above the links that goes as follows:

============
"These are hyperlinks to other websites. By providing links to other
sites, StanleyDaily.com does not guarantee, approve or endorse the
information or products available at these sites, nor does a link
indicate any association with or endorsement by the linked site to
StanleyDaily.com."
============

I added this disclaimer in order to buttress defenses against the
very problem you bring up:

  .   .   .   .   .

Hmmm. Interesting. As a user, I think of them as useful filters on
the vastness of the web's cyberverse. As a site builder, I thank them
for bringing me traffic.

Yes, I can see the increase in likelihood. When cases arise and make
their way through the courts on this point, it'll be quite
interesting.
My own take on it is that outlawing such sets of links would be akin
to
outlawing the sale of road maps and atlases. Yep, it'll be very
interesting
to watch this area develop.

Thanks again for your thoughts.

Stan


author: Rahul Dhesi

subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
In <[email]> Jeffrey Siegal <[email]> writes:

Google being my favorite example.


subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:42:53 -0700, Jeffrey Siegal <[email]> wrote:

Well, there are collections of links and then there are sites where
links are used to make it appear that the site owner has authored
material that someone else has created.  Even when such linking is
not a copyright violation, it can rise to the level of plagirism if there
is not proper attribution.

As an example of someone concernee about such a situation, NPR had a policy
(which to their credit, they've changed in the last day or so) requiring
would be linkers to request permission to link to their site.  NPRs
ombudsman cited two reasons for their old policy.

First, some people were creating links that made it falsely appear that NPR
was an advocate of one cause or another.  And second, some people were
creating commercial sites based on NPR content.

I don't find either of those complaints outlandish or silly, although
I think their original linking policy was silly.

See http://www.npr.org/yourturn/ombudsman/index.html

Isaac


subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
Speaking of which .... an interesting issue RE
Google, perhaps deserving of its own thread, is the
legality of their cacheing of web pages. Google
copies pages to its own server, and then serves the
pages up, albeit with a disclaimer, inlined or framed.
Has anyone ever seen discussions on the legality of
that cacheing and serving ??  Interviews with Google's legal team ??


subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
Did NPR ever provide links (how ironic that'd be) to sites that
were doing either of these things ??  I haven't seen any ....
perhaps these categories of possible 'misbehavior' are fears
rather than facts .....


subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
Isaac wrote:

But misattribution (even if implied) is a very different than "free
loading."


subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
In <[email]> [email]
(Stan Krute) writes:

This will become an issue only if somebody objects to the caching.  If
somebody objects to the caching, I suspect Google will provide an easy
mechanism for the web site owner to suppress the caching, and that will
almost certainly resolve the issue.

Remember, the issue of whether or not it's OK to archive Usenet postings
was resolved, originally by Dejanews, by supporting the X-No-Archive
header.  Since then I have seen no objections to the long-term archiving
of Usenet postings.

The only remaining question is whether an explicit action should be
required to suppress the caching, or whether the default ought to be no
caching with an explicit action required to enable caching.  I suspect
the courts will agree that the first is perfectly acceptable, primarily
because the second would deprive the public of a very useful facility
provided by Google without in any way giving the complainer anything
he cannot already get if he wishes.


subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
On 29 Jun 2002 13:34:20 -0700, Stan Krute <[email]> wrote:

I don't know, but if they didn't have any legal recourse against
those sites, they probably wouldn't want to give them any free publicity
either.

Given their quick change in policy I'm willing to give them the benefit
of the doubt about their rationale concerning their old policy.

Isaac

Isaac


subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:43:21 -0700, Jeffrey Siegal <[email]> wrote:

Different yes, but if the implication is that you did the work when
you didn't, and if you also generate profit from the work, that isn't
too far away from free loading.  The counter argument that it isn't
free loading would be the effort and value that the linker added.
Obviously that equation is full of variables for which we've assigned
no values.

I'm not going to put a lot of effort into defending the accusation
of free loading, because for the most part, I don't agree with it.

The cases where the accusation might be justified probably represent
the exception rather than the norm.  I just don't find the accusation
unreasonable enough to reject out of hand.

Isaac


subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
On 29 Jun 2002 21:16:44 GMT, Rahul Dhesi <[email]> wrote:

I don't think X-No-Archive resolved all the issues associated with archiving
Usenet postings.  It also wasn't the only accommodation deja made.  They
would also remove posts from their archive upon request.  I don't
know whether google honors such requests.

So you're pretty sure that courts won't take seriously the copyright
holders exclusive rights.  I'm not so sure.  It seems to me that the
same kind of argument could be made in defense of Napster and their
ilk.

I think it more likely that few people would actually object. It's
also possible that a successful fair use defense could work.  What
Google is doing seems more innocuous than space shifting or time
shifting.

Isaac


subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
Isaac wrote:

I would agree that misattribution can be a form of free loading. But
there are many forms of free loading that do not involve
misattribution.  Finally, I would suggest that misattribution is
entirely distinct from linking.  You can misattribute without linking
and you can link without misattributing.  When a wrong occurs, it is the
misattribution, not the linking.

I have assigned values, because I claimed that if the linking site
didn't add value, no one would ever use it.  Therefore, a site can never
be harmed by a "free loading" linking site, because harm can only occur
the the linking site is used, and it will only be used if it isn't free
loading.

I think there is an implication in the claim of "free loading" that the
owner of a work is entitled to extract as profits all the value that
ever flows from the existance of that work.  Which of course is not the
case.


subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:59:02 -0700, Jeffrey Siegal <[email]> wrote:

Of course, but aren't we talking only about misattribution associated with
linking?   I think I've been clear that not all linking has this problem.
Am I missing your point?  I don't see the value in making the distinguishing
them because in this context they happen together.

The perhaps I don't agree with how you analyze the values.  I think the
expense and effort required to generate the source material figures into
the equation.  Either you think that effort is irrelevant, or you have
assumed some small weight for it in your analysis.

Perhaps the owner feels entitled to share in the profits rather than to
receive them all.  That's all that's required to support an accusation
of freeloading.  If there were actual copying, there'd be no question
that the law was on the side of the owner.

Isaac


subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
Isaac wrote:

You have, I think, but I'm not sure that's true of the rest of the
thread.

*Sometimes* they happen together.  Sometimes linking occurs without
misattribution, and it is in that case that the alleged "free riding"
occurs.  It isn't necessary to bring up the question of free riding if
misattribution occurs, because misattribution by itself is a sufficient
reason to consider activity inappropriate.

I think that effort is not irrelevant in the abstract but is irrelevant
to the issue of linking.

OK, I'll grant that.  But does the owner of the work have a right to
share in all profits of whatever nature?  That's clearly not the case
either.

I don't understand what an "accusation of freeloading" is.  What law is
violated by freeloading?  Even in economic or moral terms, I'm not sure
that freeloading is itself a wrong, although it might be the cause of,
or an element of, a wrong.

There would still be questions, at least, of fair use and implied
license.  But there is no copying and therefore no such question in the
case of linking.


subject: Re: deep links to daily comic strips

text:
On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:18:06 -0700, Jeffrey Siegal <[email]> wrote:

I'm not saying there is legal claim.  By accusation I mean complaining
about or discrediting someone for not doing their own work.  There
is very likely no legal remedy for freeloading in the sense we're
discussing here.

Again, I'm not expressing any opinion about the ethics, I'm really
only suggesting that someone who feels that it is wrong isn't
being unreasonable.  They may of course still be wrong.

Isaac


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author: may

subject: baby slings

text:
hi all!

Any recommendations for a favorite type of baby sling?  DD is just under 9
months and  up to now I've been just carrying her in my arms (I'm a fan of
baby wearing) but the little sprite is getting too heavy to carry for too
long so I'm thinking of getting/making a baby sling.  I've found a couple
web sites for making them and I might give that a try first.  I'd love to
have one that I can use up through the toddler stage.

TIA,
Amy
Isabella's mommy 10/8/02


author: Laurie

subject: Re: baby slings

text:
may wrote in message
<0JuMa.32691$[email]>...

I love my Maya Wrap (www.mayawrap.com).  It's a tad tricky to get used to
but does come with a video, and there is a babywearing forum that is great
for questions.  It goes up to 35 lbs. I literally don't leave home without
it now.

laurie
mommy to Jessica, 27 months
and Christopher, 11 weeks

*This email address is now valid*


author: elizabeth emerald

subject: Re: baby slings

text:
"may" <[email]> wrote in message
news:0JuMa.32691$[email]...

dr ruth who posts on here can tell you more about them, but a nice aussie
one is at http://www.hug-a-bub.com.au


author: Suellen

subject: Re: baby slings

text:
It is so simple to make your own.
I'd recommend 2 web sites for instructions:

http://www.sleepingbaby.net/jan/
http://www.mayawrap.com

The first one has Jan's great info on how to make her sling, or to buy the
slings she makes...plus alot of other great crafts.  Jan, I hope you don't
mind I've listed yours here.
The 2nd one mainly sells slings, but also has a link in there for
instructions for making your own sling like theirs.

I've made several slings, and I'm no seamstress.  I've found some beautiful
batik cotton fabrics at my local mainstream fabric store.  I use 2 1/2 yards
of fabric, and just sew 2 hems, and then the one to add the rings on one
end.

You can easily use either of these patterns into toddlerhood..

Suellen
"may" <[email]> wrote in message
news:0JuMa.32691$[email]...


author: [redacted]

subject: 2 Patriot Act Provisions Ruled Unlawful

text:
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - Two provisions of the USA Patriot Act are
unconstitutional because they allow secret wiretapping and searches
without a showing of probable cause, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.

U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken ruled that the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act, as amended by the Patriot Act, "now permits the
executive branch of government to conduct surveillance and searches of
American citizens without satisfying the probable cause requirements
of the Fourth Amendment."

Portland attorney Brandon Mayfield sought the ruling in a lawsuit
against the federal government after he was mistakenly linked by the
FBI to the Madrid train bombings that killed 191 people in 2004.

The federal government apologized and settled part of the lawsuit for
$2 million after admitting a fingerprint was misread. But as part of
the settlement, Mayfield retained the right to challenge parts of the
Patriot Act, which greatly expanded the authority of law enforcers to
investigate suspected acts of terrorism.

Mayfield claimed that secret searches of his house and office under
the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act violated the Fourth
Amendment's guarantee against unreasonable search and seizure. Aiken
agreed with Mayfield, repeatedly criticizing the government.

"For over 200 years, this Nation has adhered to the rule of law - with
unparalleled success. A shift to a Nation based on
extra-constitutional authority is prohibited, as well as ill-advised,"
she wrote.

By asking her to dismiss Mayfield's lawsuit, the judge said, the U.S.
attorney general's office was "asking this court to, in essence, amend
the Bill of Rights, by giving it an interpretation that would deprive
it of any real meaning. This court declines to do so."

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20070927/D8RTNGM80.html

	Fure Bush go fuck your self.


author: Dave K

subject: Re: 2 Patriot Act Provisions Ruled Unlawful

text:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:44:54 -0700, [email] wrote:

<snip>

  One always hopes that integrity wins over perversion.  Yay!

  Ya think he'd enjoy ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h...  Nevermind.


author: Putt

text:
[email] wrote in news:492nf3h1f8rrlkuhu3q0flnu66fog9jmnd@
4ax.com:


author: trudogg

text:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:44:54 -0700, [email] wrote:

...it seems to be taking forever to get to Jan. 21, 2009...


text:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:32:21 GMT, Putt <[email]> wrote:

	True, but they are pushing more and more stuff though the
courts will take years to catch up to undo the damage.


text:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:23:37 -0400, trudogg <[email]>
wrote:

	That's due to the fact Bush needs more time to fuck things up
more.


text:
[email] wrote in news:cg3pf31qf5bva6c7j4kpaarei1nsucsmmh@
4ax.com:

I agree... The erosion of civil liberties is getting to be a little much..

Putt....


text:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:55:47 -0700, [email] wrote:

...after hearing that Obama and Clinton both are starting to back off
the idea of getting the troops out of Iraq, I don't see much hope for
the future. I knew BIllary would cave, it's the way she and her
husband do business...but I thought Obama was the real deal. Guess I
was wrong...


text:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:24:58 -0400, trudogg <[email]>
wrote:

	It no longer matters who is in office, they don't serve our
interests.


author: Doug

subject: Need Garden Tractor Advice

text:
I am currently in the market for a new Garden/Lawn Tractor and have no
idea what to buy or if it will do what I want. I need to stay below
$3000 including attachments if possible. I have about 4 wooded acres
including about 1 acre of grass. I plan on using a rear bagger on the
mower to bag grass clippings and leaves in the fall. More importantly
I really want to use it as a tractor. I would like to hall loads of
firewood out of the woods with a large tractor cart. I would also like
it to be able to scrape a driveway thats about 200 yards long with a
rear scraper box attachment. And finally I would need to push some
dirt and mulch around my lot with a front blade. Can I expect a garden
tractor to do all this? What about pulling some felled trees out of
the woods with a chain. Are the attachments for Murray,MTD,Crafstsman,
ect. interchangeable or can I use aftermarket attachments with any of
the brands mentioned. What HP should I be looking at also. Any advice
or experiences anyone will give me is greatly appreciated.
Thanks..Doug


subject: Re: Need Garden Tractor Advice

text:
I have a 23HP Craftsman with a metal cart and 48" front blade and a 52" mower
deck. The engine is a Kohler V Twin.
I have 6+ acres mostly wooded, less than 1/2 acre of lawn.
It plows snow on my 500' gravel drive as long as it does not get too deep.
During large snow storms I plow more than once. It also scrapes the driveway to
smooth and fill with the same blade that pushes snow. It hauls sand and dirt in
the dump cart. I built a wooden box to go inside the metal cart for when I haul
wood and rocks so the metal will not get banged up.

I am very happy with it and the whole package (tractor, blade, dump cart, wheel
weights and chains) cost less than $3000.

Good luck with whatever you get.


author: Bill Bolle

subject: Re: Need Garden Tractor Advice

text:
You can probably do almost all of the tasks you list with the exception
of pulling felled trees.  The problem is that you don't have the weight
in a garden tractor required do get enough traction to pull a felled
tree and besides I don't think that the belt drive or the transmissions
would stand up to that kind of stress.  There is an accessory known as a
"three point hitch" that you can get that makes the attachment sort of
universal and would allow you to use any other brand of accessory that
takes a "three point hitch". Anything around twenty horse will serve you
well, just try to get one that has a pressure oil system.  I've used a
Craftsman for 12 years and it still runs OK.
				Bill

Doug wrote:


author: Jeff

subject: Re: Need Garden Tractor Advice

text:
this isn't going to be terribly helpful, but hey, you never know.  i do a
few of the things you're talking about.  i haul a lot of heavy stone around
in a rubbermaid kind of cart (which i think is excellent in itself, btw,
better than one of the metal carts), i haul firewood around in it, etc.
mowing, can do.  scraping, have a front mounted scraper but i admit i do not
use it, but i could!  all of that is with a wheelhorse tractor, i cannot say
how many horsepower it is though.  the only troubles i've had with the
tractor is i had to replace the ignition switch on it because the contacts
in the back rusted out and kept running the battery down because of a short,
when i was checking to see what the problem was i broke the ignition switch
contacts because of the rust and the problem became pretty obvious!  other
than that i haven't had any problems at all with this tractor and it sees a
whole lot of use.  i got it because one of my close relatives had a
wheelhorse tractor and he said he loved it, and his is even more "well
loved" than mine is, it looks like hell but it's still running.  if you
can't tell i really like this tractor and highly recommend it.

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author: Rick and Lucinda Pannell

subject: Re: Need Garden Tractor Advice

text:
Doug,

With that task list, you may want to look into compact utility tractors.  In
my humble opinion, garden tractors are great for lawn care, but when you
cross into other duties, they fall short.  If you look at compact utility
tractors, a new one will cost you alot more than $3000 (try $10,000+).  Used
you might be able to find 2 wheel drive, older models (Ford N's, Deere,
etc.) or grey market that would be closer to your price range.

Good Luck,

Rick

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author: David J. Bockman

subject: Re: Need Garden Tractor Advice

text:
You might want to peruse the Kubota website, specifically their 'compact'
tractors: http://www.kubota.com/compact.cfm

Before starting my own business, I was employed at a local nursery, where I
used a Kubota B Series (http://www.kubota.com/bseriesf.gif)

It was really impressive.


author: Alan Cohen

subject: Sending Unencrypted Info By Email - Public Disclosure?

text:
I'm curious - if information is sent, say from an inventor to an atty,
via unencrypted email - either in the email itself, or as an attachment
- does that constitute public disclosure?

Seems like there are many ways for someone to intercept and read the
mail, although I don't think that it would be legal to do so.

Thanks


author: Emma Anne

subject: Re: Sending Unencrypted Info By Email - Public Disclosure?

text:
Alan Cohen <[email]> wrote:

No

There are a lot of ways to intercept mail, faxes, phone calls, and
in-person conversations too.


author: Richard

text:
While I'm unable to cite case law, I'd think the standard would be
something like "Has the inventor taken reasonable precautions to
prevent public disclosure?"

Regardless of that, if the information was intercepted (legally or
not) and made public, that would constitute public disclosure.  For
example if an employee, bound to a confidentiality agreement, were to
publish the invention in the newspaper, the invention would be
publicly disclosed.  What recourse the employer would have against the
(presumably former) employee is an entirely different question.

 - Rich


author: Barry Margolin

text:
In article <[email]>,
 Alan Cohen <[email]> wrote:

I doubt it.  A private email is not intended to be disclosed.


author: Tad

subject: Unmarried Couple in Seattle WA Tax preperation advice?

text:
My partner and I purchased a house together in Seattle, WA,
and think we need a professional this year to advise us on
taxes because of this.  Does anyone have any pointers to a
CPA in the Seattle area who perhaps specializes in unmarried
couples tax preperation?

Thanks,

-Tad

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author: MTW

subject: Re: Unmarried Couple in Seattle WA Tax preperation advice?

text:
Tad <[email]> wrote:

I'm in Gig Harbor, which is sort of near Seattle. But, my
views on the topic you raised are definitely "conservative"
(at least, compared to what is normally posted on this
board). If the property is owned as "tenants in common,"
then no one gets to deduct more than 50% of the expenses,
period. If owned as "joint tenants with right of
survivorship," then it sort of depends on the facts and
circumstances.

However, if your approach is to allocate 100% of the
deductions to the partner in the higher tax bracket, without
regard for economic reality, then I am NOT your man, period.

(How's that for a sales job ??? <grin>.)

MTW

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author: Harlan Lunsford

text:
Tad wrote:

Consider also an Enrolled Agent (EA).   to find one in
Seattle, either email me or go to "naea.org" website.

Cheer$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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author: Helen P. OPlanick EA

text:
FYI, CPAs are not the only tax professionals.  In fact, many
CPAs do not do taxes.

Helen, EA in PA
Member of The Tax Gang
Director, National Assoication of Enrolled Agents
Immediate Past President, PA Society of Enrolled Agents

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text:
Helen P. OPlanick EA <[email]> wrote:

By the same token, I know of many EAs who don't prepare
taxes, either.  Rather, they specialize in OICs and
representation of clients in collection matters.

MTW

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author: Byron Canfield

subject: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger Commits Suicide -- MALICIOUS CODE ALERT

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:U3pMc.205718$[email]...
from the large oak tree in his Californian garden.  In a suicide note found
at the scene he tells of his sordid sex life and lack of will to live.  A
copy of the suicide note which was found by journalists has been included
here


subject: Re: teaching obedience (was: Why Gary can't think.....).

text:
There are significant differences in development between a 5 year old and a 12
year old. The most significant is attention span. The length of lessons must be
shorter for a 5 year old than a 12 year old, even if the content is essentially
the same level. Having taught ages 6-16 at some point or another, I can attest
to that. Since you only have your own son to go on, Herman, that's not enough
of a sample to make a sweeping generalization on development.

There are even significant differences between a 12 year old and a 14 year old!
Between a 6 year old and a 9 year old, as well! It's very difficult to go down
to that level, after having taught higher aged children for even a year.

I went from first grade (3 years) to 6th-8th graders in the same class (yes,
there were differences even amongst same ability kids of the same age -
behavioral differences), then back to 4th grade (9-11 year olds) then to first
and am now back to 9/10s in the UK. The UK kids have the same behaviors at 9/10
that my 9-11s had in the US. It's the AGE.

Just because your child can read well before age 6 doesn't mean ALL children
will. It also doesn't mean that your child will be successful in school if s/he
can't sit still long enough to learn anything. Had an extremely bright, but
hyperactive 6 year old last year - couldn't keep him still long enough to learn
any tasks. Shame...

It IS likely that the 5 year old will have less difficulty because at age 5,
the child's brain is a lot more flexible. But that assumes that the 5 year old
is ready, willing and able to learn what you are teaching him/her. You want the
kids to learn concepts before rote. I can cram a 5 year old with all the rote
learning you want, but it takes longer if you want her to learn concepts and
remember them.

I'm sure with your wealth of experience teaching young children for so many
years, you can give loads of pointers on teaching to the age...

re: grading on a curve
So was rote learning instead of concept development. Can't have it both ways,
darlin'!

S'funny, if that were true than an awful lot of teachers are miracle workers!
It's not just teaching a concept, though, Herman, it's putting your ideas into
practice. I'll give you my class for one week. The range of ability is quite
limited in my class - enough that if you teach to the middle you reach
everyone, actually, at some level. My math class is a prime example. The
ability levels in that class are so close as to be negligible.

Since you are dealing with humans and not machines, you will NEVER find a class
that does NOT have SOME variation in it. Even if they start out the same, they
will grow according to different rates. If you have more than one of your own
children, you know what I mean. I doubt very much that your kids all grew in
exactly the same fashion.

I certainly agree with you there, as does the UK government. We were applauded
for having homogeneously-grouped classes for math and reading (the reading kids
stay together for other topics, as well, allowing us to scale the paperwork for
their levels). The school was given an award for the math grouping. It
completely rearranges after playtime and I get maybe a few of my kids and loads
of others across the year levels, all doing the same level of work. If a kid
zooms forward, s/he moves to a new class. Same if a kid goes backward. At
present, my kids were supposed to be doing Level 2 working toward Level 3
(there are 4 levels in primary school here, at the minimum). Since I've had
them, they are now at Level 3 working toward Level 4. Even their last year
teachers underestimated their abilities...

Sandi


author: Herman Rubin

text:
In article <[email]>,
SLieber24 <[email]> wrote:

I am not quite sure what you mean by attention span.  If you
mean doing the same thing for protracted periods, like watching
for movement, then gifted adults would come out with short spans.

I have stated, in this newsgroup and elsewhere, that I do not
consider long classes to be educationally sound if conceptual
matter is being presented; it is not a matter of keeping at
something until it is done.  When one studies mathematics or
physics, or reads the encyclopedia, the topic is constantly
changing, and one should not be spending any length of time
on one point.  It is not like reading a novel with everything
dragged out; attention span is needed for that.

Is it the age, or what they have and have not been taught and
expected to learn?  Are they expected to memorize lengthy items,
or many items presented together?  Is the need for a long span
of attention present because of this approach to teaching?

You will not find anything in what I wrote which says otherwise.
However, there seems to be evidence that if it was attempted to
get them to read by then, a much larger proportion would.  Holding
a child back because "it is not age appropriate" has no place in
anything which claims to be educational.

It also doesn't mean that your child will be successful in school if s/he

Understanding academic material does not involve huge blocks of time,
even if it involves much time.  Learning to do tasks might.  The old
one-room schoolhouse had to break the education time up, and pretty
much left the practice and development of skills to the child.

One does not "remember" concepts, one applies concepts to a variety
of situations.  Teaching concepts involves a totally different
approach than teaching facts, and is likely to require that the
teacher understands the concepts, which is not required for teaching
facts and skills.

I could; so could those who developed the new math, and those who
"reinvented" teaching reading with phonics.  Could the teachers
carry them out?

It is true that there was not much of a direct attempt to teach
concepts, but what is being done in a claimed attempt to teach
concepts now is not any better.  There was at least some emphasis
on structure in teaching language, and there was far less drill
on facts.  About the only thing for which there was massive drill
was penmanship.

While there was too much memorization, there was still the
expectation that the essentials of a course were available at any
time in the future without reminders.  This involved some development
of concepts; the ones who could not do it did not get into the
classes which required their use.

So what would you suggest I teach them?  I could teach the concept of
variable in a week, but unless it is used, so what?  From what I have
seen of your postings, you are trying to teach concepts, and you also
have that all too rare ability to often realize when you do not have a
concept, although you can use the concept in practice.  This does not
mean that you can explain or teach the concept to someone else.

Does the school allow essentially unlimited progress in these topics?
If a first grader is doing 5th grade or higher math, and third grade
or higher reading, and can progress two grade levels a year, which is
quite likely, how is this to be handled?  What happens when they reach
the highest level handled in the school?


author: Michael Moy

text:
SLieber24 wrote:

Is this in a classroom or one on one? The attention span problem is much
less
of a problem one-on-one.

Perhaps a six-year-old bright hyperactive child shouldn't have to sit
still
to learn.

It certainly takes more effort.

He does give this out though it's a little hard to follow.


author: Bob LeChevalier

text:
[email] (Herman Rubin) wrote:

I would define attention span as the interval of ability to work at an
ARBITRARY task, one which is not inherently "fun" and which requires
full attention.

Yes, many gifted adults have short attention spans.  ADD adults are
often well above average intelligence, but can only perform anywhere
near their capability in tasks which absorb them (i.e. which are
"fun"), and sometimes even then may require compensations such as
white noise or music backgrounds.  (I for one can go nearly insane
from sensory overload at a large loud group setting like a party or
dancehall).

I see no particular evidence that schools hold kids back from learning
to read well before age 6.  It is largely out of the schools' control
since the kids do not enter schools until age 5, and then into
kindergarten which is not entirely academic but is instead
transitional.

My proposal as posted by Dorothy would allow kids to start
transitional education at any age after they are potty trained at the
discretion of the parents.  There would then be no question of schools
holding children back from reading.  Would you accept this as one
facet of a reformed public system?

Having a hyperactive son, I can tell you that his attention span at
age 6 was not even 5 minutes.  He could not eat sitting down but had
to move around.  He could not be read to with the intent to teach
reading because he could not sit still to look at the book even for
the time needed to read a single page from a 1st grade level book.
Now at age 11, his arbitrary task attention span is still well under
10 minutes, though he has been trained to do SOME tasks with longer
duration, like free reading in a low distraction environment.

Evidence.  The classic picture of 19th century education was rows of
students doing their daily "recitation".  The textbooks I have, from
McGuffy readers on, support this stereotype.

That much I will buy, but it worked only because the rote memorization
was SO strict and overdone.

We have a flashcard program for teaching Lojban words - pure rote
drill ad nauseum.  It may be the most effective vocabulary learning
program there is for people willing to stick with the program (1 hour
a day or so without fail will average close to 100 words per week
mastered over a 3 month period, which is far higher than any standard
language program tries for.)  Because the method works by overdrill,
people using it DO NOT forget words they have mastered.  My wife and I
have performed at the 70-80% level 5+ years after learning a set of
words most of which were usused during the interval, and approaching
90% after a week of 20 minute review practices.

There are no significant concepts involved in the drill and kill
method used in our program, though developing arbitrary memory hooks
for difficult words seems to be a common effect.  I can also recall
some songs and poetry and the like memorized back in gradeschool more
than 30 years ago and never practiced or used since.  No concepts
involved there - indeed one thing I memorized was a Latin Christmas
carol without learning any Latin words or structure per se.

Thus I am unconvinced that the rote memorization for long term recall
and reuse of the sort I concede was likely in the last century
resulted in any significant "understanding" of "concepts".

A kid who can *consistently* cover two grades of material in an
arbitrary subject in one year essentially has a 200 IQ, which is
something like 6 sigmas above the mean.  How many such kids are there?

If you are talking about a single subject of interest and affinity to
the student, the percentage might be higher, but logistics makes it
difficult for a 7 year old kid to be in a 2nd grade reading class and
a high school math class in adjacent periods (and I don't think your
electronic classes will solve things for younger kids).


text:
Attention span means exactly what it means. A five-year-old will not have the
same level of concentration as a 15-year-old. Forget gifted or abnormal and
think of typical development. Don't throw in monkey wrenches. I'm talking your
average, everyday, run-of-the-mill kid. Just add intellect.

Think back to your own kids - without the rose-colored glasses. Ask your wife -
she'll probably remember more than you will. They didn't have exactly the same
characteristics even while having the same parents and same environmental
stimulation. They're human, not automatons that were programmed.

I've taught kids from 6-16, in large and small classes, hetergeneously and
homogeneously grouped. There are significant differences in the way 5-year-olds
and 15-year-olds need to be handled and taught. Mixing them in the same class
does not work. Mixing 12 and 15 year-olds in the same class is difficult.
Mixing 9-year-olds with 6-year-olds is difficult - I know, I've done both.
Voluntarily!

Long for the 5-year-old is between 10 and 20 minutes. Long for the 15-year-old
can be up to an hour. I'd like to see how you'd handle those two situations  in
one classroom...

When one studies anything with more than one child in one's care, one takes at
least an hour to get one point because one must maintain the attention of all
students while one teaches. This means that one must be aware of what each
student is doing at every turn and bring that student back to the topic. If
it's a 5-year-old, it can be every 2 minutes. If it's a 15-year-old of the same
ability, it might not have to be done at all.

There are significant developmental differences between a 5-year-old and a
15-year-old.

But reading a novel also entails a constantly changing situation. A novel is
like television inside one's head, where one must play all the parts of the
show as well as setting up the scenes. Far ahead of learning a topic in math -
which may NOT be constantly changing.

It's the age. Two different learning systems - same characteristics. It's the
age. Don't ASSume that you are all-knowing. I know what I'm doing - which is
why my kids tend to succeed despite the strikes against them. My kids are not
expected to do any memorization of anything beyond the basic facts, in math.
All else is taught via strategies, so that when memory fails, they can derive
the basic facts.

I present one topic and concept at a time, unless they show they already have
it mastered. Only then will I take it further. In reading, the only things they
have to memorize are the sounds and how to blend them. That way, when they
forget a word that they may have learned by sight, they can "derive" it using
the letter sounds.

It's the age! Or rather, the ages!

I have 8-10 year olds in my math class. There is a significant difference in
development between the 8, 9 and 10 year olds - most especially in attention
span. As the year goes on, that gap will close, since maturation DOES make a
big difference.

I always go a bit nuts at the beginning of a school year, if I take a group
that was the same age as the previous year. This is because I get used to the
kids' maturity level rising as the year progresses and forget about all the
hard work at the beginning to get them to that level. So it's always a shock to
get the "raw" student at the beginning of the year...

I do agree with you here. However, Denmark doesn't begin teaching its kids to
read until the age of 7 and they do very nicely indeed. England starts at age 4
1/2 and they tend to lose boys, especially, by about the age of 8. Early
reading pushing doesn't necessarily translate into later success...

Ever try to catch a butterfly? Or even a regular house fly? That was my little
fellow! Understanding academic material requires that the child at least attend
to the information, even if not the actual task. When a child can't do this,
very little learning takes place.

Very different times, then. Parents took control of their kids and they were
MADE to attend. Unless you are advocating bringing back those methods, and can
make parents support their kids again, you are looking at an ideal. As well,
one-room schoolhouse went to fourth grade in many places, 8th in some and many
later on. Beyond that, kids didn't have to go to school. Compare like with
like, not like with unlike.

Then do it. Take a Sabbatical and teach your way in a school - any school.
Teach 5 year olds of like ability (I usually have homogeneously-grouped classes
- you can use mine!) Come over and teach my kids in math - I have a really
tightly-grouped bunch of Year 4-6 kids. Prove it.

Were they trained adequately in it? Or is it like what the UK gov't is doing to
its teachers at the moment - requiring a particular method but giving scant
training. One weekend or a couple of days a term isn't enough.

As well, many deplored the loss of basic skills that appeared to arrive with
the "new math." Kids couldn't make change at the cash register and all that.
Sorry, Herman, ideally, your world would be great, but the real world requires
some fundamental skills.

Pardon?? My mother used to spout all sorts of things that she had been required
to memorize. My father still can. Rote memorization of facts and drill on skill
was the order of the day - before Sputnik. Then it turned to concepts and
children didn't have to learn the facts of history - just implications. So now
they can't tell where Bosnia is on a map!

England introduced the National Curriculum some years ago as a backlash against
the "Sputnik" generation. Now it's backing off and saying just go for readin',
writin' and 'rithmetic, and science. Kids now have less than an hour a week of
any other topic. And they will leave primary school without foundational
knowledge, the teachers will be blamed for not teaching them, etc...ad nauseum.

You see history of education through rose-colored glasses. Go read up on it.

Can you spell: E-V-A-S-I-O-N? or C-H-I-C-K-E-N?  You teach a concept to my kids
and have them learn it, and I will guarantee they will use it over and over in
class. It will be integrated into every topic we use. Now, will you rise to the
challenge?

The particular concept - f(x) - must be what you are talking about. But you
keep changing your definition of "concept" so it's awfully hard to pin down
exactly what it is you want to see happen. Explain "concept" fully... with
concrete examples - i.e. scenarios - perhaps teaching scenarios/roleplay.

Yes.

The head teacher takes them for private math tutoring. He has three kids now
studying for their GCSEs. This test is normally taken at age 16 in the UK.
These kids are ages 10 and 11. There is no such thing as "highest level handled
in the school" here. They work to go as high as they can. And this is
considered a school in a deprived area, mind you...

Our school only goes from Year 3 to Year 6. It has about 320 pupils. Next year,
there may be reading groups across Year levels, due to the introduction of the
reading program I currently use. I can see this school going to complete mixing
by ability in reading as well as math. I hope so, at least.


text:
Beggin' to differ here, I'm afraid. The Hornbook has been around since before
the 17th Century. It was systematic phonics - started with letter sounds, then
blends, which the children memorized. Then they practiced the Lord's Prayer.
The children learned to write by attaching tissue-like paper over the top of
the "book" (which was really a cutting board with the info on it) and tracing
the letters.

This was the primary method of teaching reading in schools for a few hundred
years. There was an experiment with look-say in the late 1800s, but it was
abandoned generally in the early 20th century. It was brought back in the 40s,
dropped briefly, then brought in full force in the 60s and has been with us
ever since. I think, lately, look-say has been given the boot, however, as
research studies show that systematic phonics reaches more students overall -
at least in the beginning.

Most empirical studies do show that there is little significant difference in
the achievement of about 50% of the kids taught by any method. For about
20-30%, systematic phonics is required. For about 10% or so, it doesn't matter
WHAT you use, it will be difficult for them to learn to read - these are your
truly LD kids.

EMH kids (those with mental retardation) learn to read the same way as average
children, just a lot more slowly (that's providing they have the IQ level of
about a 7-year-old). LD kids are the ones that have the monkey wrenches in
learning to read - they need strategies. Systematic phonics works best with
them, but not by itself. Mixed approaches with an emphasis on phonics work
really well for LD kids.

For the majority of the population, those studies also say that the samples
using systematic phonics tend to have better spelling skills than those who use
look-say or other approaches.

Sorry about the long explanation. This comprised a major part of my graduate
research over the last several years. It's also good to know so that one can
reassure nonreading teenagers that maybe there wasn't anything wrong with THEM
- that maybe it was the methods that didn't work.

I have a hornbook replica and texts from early 1800s up to now...


text:
In article <bdEy2.5$[email]>,
Bob LeChevalier <[email]> wrote:

			.............

If you take this attitude, you will find that even most bright people,
at any age, have short attention spans.  The thinking mind does quite
poorly in boring situations.  Until we can find a good way to get
time-sharing by the human mind, this will persist.

It is not that it is fun, but that it is a challenge for their minds
to come up with something new.  During WWII, college students who
volunteered for piecework or assembly line work did well for a short
time, and then very poorly.

	and sometimes even then may require compensations such as

"Inquiring minds want to know."  Nature did not create us with
settable selective filters.  Nor with the idea that we would have
to do repetitive boring jobs.


text:
In article <[email]>,
SLieber24 <[email]> wrote:

			................

I still can think of quite a few different aspects of attention span.

I know that quite well.  The two children we have seemed to behave
differently in just about every aspect, almost from birth.

But is the 5-year-old who is at the mental level of a 15-year-old, and
who has been taught to think and study on his own, going to have the
same type of behavior as the "normal" 5-year-old?

I do not think my doctoral students could take an hour of new
conceptual material.  They could take that long on development of the
consequences of what the basics they already have had, but even this
is pushing things.

Introducing a concept would take a few minutes.  Then would come
examples, illustrations of consequences, relations with other
concepts, etc.  If some of these examples or illustrations are not
quite gotten, it is not a big deal.  For those who do not get it
quickly, it will have to be looked at in a different manner anyhow.

This is assuming that every word one says is necessary for
understanding.  The important thing is that they learn, not that
you teach them.

This means that one must be aware of what each

Does that 5-year-old need all that explanation?  Expect them to
know what has gone before, provide enough of a challenge, and I
suspect you will find this changing.

If it's a 15-year-old of the same

If that 15-year-old has the same ability, he should have
learned it 10 years earlier, or at least 5 if not willing
or recognized.

Are they as great as the differences between two of the same age?

			...............

The "strategies" should come BEFORE the facts.  Many of the so-called
"basic" facts follow from the concepts, although one does have to drag
them out.  That process is basic reasoning, and should be formally
taught as early as possible.  Those who cannot do this may well have
problems in the "wiring" in their brains; there ARE some who cannot
learn grammar, and some who cannot associate names with faces.

There are situations in which one can, and should, go on, such as
teaching to produce proofs.  But generally this is the case, even
for college students.

In reading, the only things they

The idea of teaching by phonics is that they should rarely learn
a word by sight.  Until the educationists changed away from this,
"everyone" learned to "decode" this way.

I see far too many students staying at one topic too long, and
accomplishing nothing.  Does short term memory become long term?
Judging from college students, this may not be the case.  Its
failure is given as a reason for "year round" schooling at the
public school levels.  Does long term memory have to go through
the short term phase?  From my own experience, I would say the
answer is that it need not.

I suggest that the one-room schoolhouse conveyed the idea of learning
for the future far better.  There was a recognition that not all were
capable of an honest high school education, so there was not the motive
to reduce the level so all could accomplish it.

There were much longer training attempts.  The real problem is that
training is not the answer, but education, and even reeducation.

A machine can make change at the cash register.  The new math started
because the daughter of a mathematician, who could do the manipulations,
had no idea of what it meant.  The developers of it could teach children
what it meant, but not the teachers.  This was a MAJOR surprise.

The real world requires that people can translate problems into formal
symbols, so that computers can do them, far more than it requires that
they can do arithmetic.


text:
[email] (Herman Rubin) wrote:

I do arithmetic multiple times daily without resort to a computer or
calculator (the latter is rarely within reach, and when I am near the
former, it is usually doing text processing or running a full-screen
game and it is too much of a pain to call up the calculator function).
I seldom have the need to translate a problem into symbols for a
computer, and I worked as a top notch programmer for 14 years.

I see no reason why things will change for my kids, even if they start
carrying around P400 computer equivalents on their wrists.  It is
still faster to estimate or even to add in your head or on the piece
of paper that lists the numbers to be added, than to punch them into a
computer.

lojbab

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text:
Think all you want. Reality is not exactly what you think...

And you dealt, spoke and taught them in EXACTLY the same way, right? Probably
not. You adjusted and tailored your responses. Bet you can't remember what each
was like at age 5...

Yes. Mostly. It is a rare child who does not exhibit childlike behavior. Those
are the ones I fear for, because many of them end up with serious mental
problems later...

Then you really DO have inferior doctoral students. I was, as a Masters
student, required to have 3 hours of new material each week in each class, with
little practical work in class. And I have a learning disability!

Agreed.

But discovery learning has been an abysmal failure - especially in math. So,
without teaching, some children will learn, the majority will just play with
the toys!

(Just an aside - I was observed on Friday by the head of the math dept. at the
primary school here in the UK. She was amazed that I gave my kids about 5-8
minutes just to "play" with the manipulatives and said she was going to mention
it to the head of the science. Apparently, they never thought that kids needed
to actually see what they could do with them!)

I do. And it hasn't changed things much. My little nephew is five. He's learned
to read already. He's very much like his great grandfather - a deep thinker and
an intellectual. At school (he's in a Yeshiva), he's well behaved and serious
(they have 10 kids in his class). At home, he's a hellion. A five year old is a
five year old, regardless of intellect.

Are you now going back on your ideas of grouping by ability rather than age?
Sounds like you just said that the 15-year-old should have learned it at 5 -
but you've no idea what "it" is - what if " it" is differential calculus? Maybe
she wasn't ready for it at age 5, or didn't have the ability at age 5. What if
the 5-year-old is? They should be in the same class, no? You just contradicted
yourself - make a decision, Herman!

Much greater.

Well - DUH! That's how I start. After concepts/strategies are taught, I require
memorization of basic addition, subtraction and multiplication facts. I teach
them to use multiplication to do division, so that leaves out doing division
facts memorization.

No kidding? Really? Guess what - most teachers know this. Our schools of ed
(those hated places) teach us how the brain is wired so that we can teach to
the students' strengths and give them strategies for when they are in a weak
area.

This is my research topic, but I realize you are saying this for the public to
read. Only about 3% of English needs to be learned by sight. But kids
eventually learn the words by sight when they've seen them over and over again.
Even if they start out decoding, they learn a majority of them by sight at the
end of training. I know - I teach via systematic phonics.

I see...a minute is too long!

You are incorrect. ALL longterm memory has a short term phase. The length of
that term depends entirely on the individual's makeup and the amount of
overlearning the individual does - like repeating a new phone number to make
sure you don't forget it.

You do it. You go through the short term phase, but after a while it's
ingrained so you don't think about it anymore.

-------------------------------------------------------

And when the machine breaks down? It happens, you know!

At least now I know what I'm doing is right. If this is your definition of
concept, then I'm teaching concepts. I teach the kids what the concept is, then
after they have it, we do any manipulations required in a variety of ways.


author: jj, curmudgeon and tiring philalethist

text:
In article <[email]>,
SLieber24 <[email]> wrote:
My two children are entirely different in personality. One of them
just turned 6. Yes, I remember what the two were like at age 5.

They were incredibly different.  Now why must you question others experience?
Have you any EVIDENCE that everyone with different experience is either
incompetant or dishonest?

Ah yes, being different means that there is something wrong with the
child. I've heard THAT one before.

Still, having a very capable child in a class that provides NO effective
stimulation other than what goes by the window is not good, yes?


author: Gordon Bennett

subject: STNI Visa s/c 137 - How long - HELP!

text:
Hi All,

We've applied under visa subclass 137, STNI. Our nomination was granted
and we've completed all the police checks and meds. The final piece of
paperwork went to ASPC June 05 and I guess was received 20 June 05.

We need to be In Australia by mid Dec latest (due to pregnancy, travel
etc.). Our agent has kindly informed ASPC of our dilema but they
haven't responded. We are becoming highly stressed due to the time it
seems to be taking to process the visa and the inability to communicate
with ASPC.

Does anyone have any idea how long we are likely to wait until a visa
is granted/refused under this subclass?

Cheers GB


author: robert cowan

subject: Re: STNI Visa s/c 137 - How long - HELP!

text:
if i were you, i would phone aspc yourself.  we had to do this, and we
found out from dimia that our agent had not informed aspc of our stni.
we called aspc and told them of our situation and they confirmed that
they had received no correspondence from our agent. aspc were very
helpful over the phone, they emailed and faxed dimia that same day to
confirm all our details with dimia and then emaied us back to confirm
that dimia had received all the info required. all being 6 months late
(agents fault) things started to move really quickly after this was
done.
keep us posted of what happens

Rob & Marie


author: s/nurse

text:
[QUOTE=Gordon Bennett]Hi All,

We've applied under visa subclass 137, STNI. Our nomination was granted
and we've completed all the police checks and meds. The final piece of
paperwork went to ASPC June 05 and I guess was received 20 June 05.

We need to be In Australia by mid Dec latest (due to pregnancy, travel
etc.). Our agent has kindly informed ASPC of our dilema but they
haven't responded. We are becoming highly stressed due to the time it
seems to be taking to process the visa and the inability to communicate
with ASPC.

Does anyone have any idea how long we are likely to wait until a visa
is granted/refused under this subclass?

Cheers GB


author: neco

text:
Hi, I am on the same boat. Mine was recieved on 15th of June and still
waiting for medical request. We want to leave our countly by the end of
this year.

Visa processing on 137 used to be very quick until begining of this
year. According to Austimeline, Medeicas was requested around 1 or 2
mothes and visa was granted in 3 months in past.

However, It is not very different from subclass 136 recently.  It is
likely to take 4 month to 5 month for med req. and 1 or 2 more months
for visa grant unless you have an job offer.

www.austimeline.com could help you.


author: doris

subject: Tourist visa for 10 years

text:
Hello Experts !
I have tourist visa for 10 years . I've been in US 3 times, last time
I was too long. I've sent the application for extension of my stay in
US , sent them my I-94 and never received the answer. I've stayed
about a year and a half after 6 mths expired and then leaved the
country. I didn't show I-94 at the airport because it never came back
to me from Nebrasca.
Actually I have to go to US for 3 weeks in August.
Do you think I will be able to enter the country on my 10-yrs visa ?
Your advice is highly appreciated.
Sincerely,


subject: Re: Tourist visa for 10 years

text:
There is still a record of you leaving the US.  Even tho you did not
turn your I94 in, it is up to you to prove when you left.  I suggest
that you return to the US Embassy in your country and explain the
situation and get a new NIV (Non-Immigrant Visa).  If you try to
entry on the current NIV that you overstayed on, you will be refused
admission and barred from reentry for 5 years.  Per INA 235.b.1 not
only will you lose the ticket money, you will have a difficult time
even coming back.  As for applying for the extension, your original
entry was for 6 months only, even with an approved extension, that
would be 6 months more.  You overstayed even that.  I539
extensions were backlog, but you should have watch your own time.
Do us a favor and get the new NIV.
                                Fred

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author: Rete

subject: Re: Tourist visa for 10 years

text:
A tourist visa is not permission to live in the US for years and years.
There are immigration procedures for that.

R


author: true

subject: Re: Tourist visa for 10 years

text:
I think you can enter the US on your tourist visa without problems.

You applied for an extension of your I-94 while you where in the US.
During this application process you are legally entitled to stay in the
US until the answer to your application arrives.

You have at no time been out-of-status in the US because you did what
you were supposed to do, meaning you applied for an extension.

The fact that you didn't receive the extension in 1,5 years is not
your concern.

I'm not an immigration expert so you might want to see what other people
have to say on this.


author: greenhorn

subject: Re: Tourist visa for 10 years

text:
[email] (AftonOkla) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

I am not an immigration lawyer but I think this document will enlighten
all of you.

http://imminfo.com/Resources/INS/INSMemos/INSMEMOEOS_COSPending.htm


author: AftonOkla

subject: Re: Tourist visa for 10 years

text:
Sure but does he have PROOF he applied? If he does, fine, if not he is in a
whole heap of trouble.


author: Joachim Feise

subject: Re: Tourist visa for 10 years

text:
true wrote:

Well, even if you are legal while having an extension pending, it is
my understanding that the legal stay ends at the time the applied for
extension would expire.
So, for example, if you applied for a 1/2 year extension, your stay is
only legal for the 1/2 year you originally applied for, even if INS doesn't
send you an approval within that timeframe.
BTW, to the original poster: you should have gotten an INS receipt at least.
You can use that if necessary to demonstrate that you in fact applied
for an extension.

-Joe


author: ken grace

subject: testing, falling off wagon

text:
This is a bit embarrassing but here goes. When first diagnosed T2 four years
ago, I tested regularly (3x daily) for a year or so, exercised lots, watched
what I ate. Lost lots of weight.
Still exercising, weight's still down, but much looser about what I eat. I
know my BG control isn't what it should be - HbA1c tracking in the 7s after
initially making 5% club.
The thing is, I'm hardly testing at all these days. I know it's stupid, and
I'm going to get things back on track.
Has anyone else been through this? I'm not looking for advice, particularly,
but more interested in shared experiences. 'Fessin up on this newsgroup is
probably also part of getting on track again.
Ken Grace


author: Jenny

subject: Re: testing, falling off wagon

text:
Ken,

What you are going through is common.  We're only human.

I did great for three years, blew everything off for a whole year after
that, ended up with a huge blood pressure crisis caused by ignoring my blood
sugars and went back to what I knew worked for me and got things under
control again.

Now after a year and a half of very good control, I'm feeling the same
pressure to slough off, but am trying to deal with them in a better way. It
doesn't help that my once excellent exercise program which I stuck to for a
year has been torpedoed by a foot injury that refuses to heal.

But I think that the solution, for me at least, is to give myself times when
I can relax a bit rather than being extremely stringent and then giving in
utterly for weeks of months.

To be able to relax I've had to find drugs my body can tolerate that allow
me to boost my carbs a bit now and then.  Precose worked great for a while
and then started not being as helpful. Right now cinnamon is helping me a
low.

But the key is that my sloughing off can only be "now and then" not all the
time. The main thing is to avoid feeling that my whole life sucks because I
can't eat anything I like. I wrote this concept up on a web page at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/diab-diet.htm

--Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.4.
Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit  http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

"ken grace" <[email]> wrote in message
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years
watched
after
and
particularly,


author: misu

subject: Re: testing, falling off wagon

text:
I think after initially being good, we all experence periods of slacking
.. I do remember the day I was at the gy, prior to work out I used to
to test, and I was 175, instead of my much lower #'s ... afterward I was
much lower. I was pretty tight then. Some might call me obsessed. I
backed off, and have a looser idea about it all, now. I don't test
unless I have a cold or a sinus infection or feel otherwise unwell.
Rainbow


author: Martin

subject: Re: testing, falling off wagon

text:
I thought CeeBees reply was totally on the ball on this!

I have been exactly the same, or in fact far worse.  When I intially started
on insulin the idea of it was a little repulsive but also quite new and
exciting.  I was very keen to adhere exactly to the instruction given me and
I did start to enjoy some of the benefits of insulin use over diet, exercise
with Glucobay!  However as time has gone on I've missed injections and my
body started getting used to bgs of 15 to 18 mmols/l on a regular basis.  I
didn't test at all for a while because I already knew that the reading would
be very high!  Even now I hate my Lantus injection at night and often give
it a miss!!

A lifestyle change (i.e. new job) has pushed me back into action.  I have
terrible pain in my hands that I suspect is a result of neurophathy caused
by my negligence in keeping my blood sugar within the proper range.
Hopefully now that I am back in control the pain will eventually subside and
my general health will improve.  Do you feel you are not testing because you
have regular habits and genuinely feel you just don't need to?  Or are youi
just fighting back against a problem you are fed up with being in control
of....

I am sure you are not the only one

Martin.


author: SweetVenom Bob

subject: Re: testing, falling off wagon

text:
"ken grace" <[email]> wrote:

Oh yes i know how you feel. It's very hard for me sometimes to test on a
regular basis because i just get so bored with the diabetes. I've had it
for so long (nearly 30 years Type I), that i got burnt out on it about five
years ago. It feels as if i have some small child that requires constant
attention and which never grows up.

It's very frustrating because no matter how tight of control you have, no
matter how much you test yourself and watch what you eat and exercise, you
will not be cured.

SweetVenom Bob

Writing to me is as easy as deleting
OneTwoThree


author: Alan Mackenzie

subject: Re: testing, falling off wagon

text:
ken grace <[email]> wrote on Wed, 3 Mar 2004
23:12:39 +1300:

Embarrasing?  Whence comes the embarrasment?

Tell me, why are you so concerned about what your HbA1c level is?  This
isn't a trick question.  Think it through very thoroughly, before reading
the rest of my post.

Why is it stupid?  Has it occurred to you that maybe three times a day
was excessive?  Whose track is it you're going to be getting back onto?
(By the way, I've been a T1 for nearly 40 years.)

I'll give some advice all the same, and it'll probably vary a bit from
others' advice.

That is, that maintaining the sort of control your doctors advocate
costs, and it costs a lot.  It costs your freedom to enjoy life, it costs
your autonomy as an adult.  The "embarrasment" you've admitted to is a
sign of this.  It's a sign that you've allowed others to determine for
you the proper course your life should take.  Examine the motives of
these others: is a doctor who tells you to do blood tests 8 times a day
and tells you (however subtly and indirectly) that a BS over 120 is a
sign of slackness or badness on your part really acting in your
interests?  Or is it that he gets a kick out of telling his colleagues
how "compliant" all his patients are?

Now don't get me wrong.  I'm not advocating an "anything goes" position.
Of course you've got to look after your DM.  But it appears, from your
opening paragraph, you are already doing this:  your weight is still down,
you're still exercising, and presumably you're still eating sensibly.

Ah yes, that HbA1c thing.  It's a useful measurement for doctors but
it's of limited use.  It doesn't (as far as I know) influence diabetic
complications (or lack thereof) in any way at all - it's merely
correlated with those complications.  If you're telling yourself "I've
got to get my HbA1c down", you're putting the cart before the horse.  In
my opinion, the thing is grossly abused and it's far too easy for
sensible diabetic control to be subverted into a quest for lower HbA1c.
And it's horribly easy for a doctor to use as a put-down.

You don't have a DM control problem.  I think your problem is in essence
psychological.  Part of you is behaving like a naughty schoolboy, a sort
of underdog - that's the part which is "much looser about what it eats".
Another part of you is behaving "sensibly" like a topdog, determined to
squash and destroy its underdog counterpart - that's the part which
posted to this newsgroup and is determined to "get back on track".  Those
two are in a continual dogfight, and that doesn't make for a healthy
life.

Try do examine these dogs from the position of an impartial observer.
Topdog is probably bullying with catastrophic expectations:  "Unless your
Hb stays below 6, you WILL go blind and get kidney failure within 10
years" much like some mothers tell their kids "Tidy that toy away right
now!  Or do you really want the house like a pigsty?", as though there
was no intermediate grey area between the two.  Think about your
expression "back on track" - a track, say a railway track, allows no
variation of movement, insists that you travel in an exactly predetermined
direction (that determined by the track builder), there being no
possibility for negotiation.  Is that really the way you want to control
your diabetes?

Underdog, much more in touch with the real needs of your soul, makes sure
those needs get satisfied - looser eating, fewer BS tests, and so on.
Trouble is, underdog does so in an underhand sneaky way - "This is a bit
embarrasing, but...", "I know it's stupid, but I'm going to get things
back on track ....".  Who's kidding whom?

You need to get your topdog to ease up a bit, to realise that there's
more to life than HbA1c's, a lot more.  You need to get your underdog to
stand up openly and honestly for its needs, not sneakily.  I'm thinking
here of a friend, a smoker, who once told me in a mature adult fashion "I
know full well cigarettes are dangerous, but I enjoy them and I'm not
going to be giving them up."

Once you get those two parts of you talking to eachother amicably, then
you'll be able to work out a sensible middle way between the two extremes
of (i) totally ignoring the disease; and (ii) spending all your energy
controlling the disease.  Then you'll have energy left over to enjoy
life.


author: Ozgirl

subject: Re: testing, falling off wagon

text:
ken grace wrote:
diagnosed T2
or so,
about what I
tracking in
it's
advice,
'Fessin up
track again.

Sorry to hear this Ken.  I think most people with diabetes
have fallen off the wagon at some stage.  Pick yourself up,
dust yourself off and get back into it.  I find group
therapy helps me a lot so how about starting to read and
post in here regularly again.  Set yourself some mini goals,
go out and buy some low carb foods suitable for snacks and
back to testing. Good luck.


author: Stephanie Kolban

subject: Re: testing, falling off wagon

text:
Ken,
Don't be embarrassed.  It happens to the best of us.  I've been T1 for 21
years, and have gone through spells of not testing.  I've also gone through
loooong spells of testing, but not recording my sugars.  (For some reason, I
really hate keeping a record.)  The kicker for me is that I've always had to
adjust my insulin dosages to my sugars.  So, I would just guess at what my
sugars were.

As CeeBee mentioned, when you are first diagnosed, you are completely
focused on your diabetes.  Then you get some control, learn how to eat and
exercise, etc.  To me this is when things can get rather dangerous.  It is
easy to get lazy and apathetic.  You figure out that falling off the wagon
(not testing, not eating as well as you should) will not immediately kill
you.  It is extremely difficult to stay focused on this year in and year
out.  I know that I go through periods of being the superdiabetic to periods
of not wanting to mess with it.

Good luck climbing back on the wagon.  It's tough.
Steph

"ken grace" <[email]> wrote in message
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years
watched
after
and
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author: [redacted]

subject: Re: testing, falling off wagon

text:
My problem is that I can't take the side effects anymore from the diabetes
drugs. My doctor had me on Glucophage, then Actos which put on more weight.
Then Glucophage XR and now I'm taking Avandament. On all of these
medications, the diarrhea is horrible. Any suggestions on how to ease up on
this? I am to the point I have to take an Imodium AD every other day in
order not to have it.

My whole point in all of this is that I quit taking the drugs. Of all of
them, with Actos I had no side effects but it made me gain weight. Now with
or without the drugs, I have to take insulin injections. I am ready to give
up all together. I don't have any other places on my body that don't have
needle marks or that I have used to give myself a shot.

Any suggestions? It sounds like you have some answers.


subject: Re: testing, falling off wagon

text:
Appreciate the comments from everyone. It's helpful to get some different
perspectives on the whole control thing.
Ken

"Alan Mackenzie" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


subject: Re: testing, falling off wagon

text:
[email] wrote:

Well, I take metaformin as indicated in the sig. I beleive that this is
the generic name for glucophage. i wasn't put on it until I had been on
amaryl for a couple of months. I noticed that it would cause gas if I
had any "starch". This very same starch also made my numbers jump
everywhere. So as an experiment, I made the decision to cut out
starches. (all wheat rice and potato products). Metaformin now causes no
trouble at all, and my numbers are more controllable as well.

Nowadays, the place in my diet that was occupied by starches is now
taken by cauliflower/tomato.

Funnily enough, red lentils or any of the legume family, like dried
peas, which traditionally cause gas, no longer do (nowere near to the
extent that they did)


author: Ted Rosenberg

subject: Re: testing, falling off wagon

text:
come on! MANY of us here take insulin, a modern thin short needle is no
problem.  What are you usinfg, and where are you sticking.

[email] wrote:


subject: defacto visa from london

text:
i am applying for a spouse/defacto visa to oz. my partner is aussie and
we have been together for just over 2 years (just over 1 yr living
together).

i am about to send off my application to australia house (once i have my
met police clearance back which will probably be another week). i have
all the medical / xray results, prove of living together, declarations
from family & friends, joint travel/insurance documents etc. etc,
basically everything the have asked for! (i think!!).

i have read tons of info but naturally i am very nervous even though
everything is 100% above board......

do anyone have any tips? aussie house states it takes them approx 28
days for a review of the front-end loaded application then upto 4 months
in total to process the temp visa although i have read previous posts on
the expats formn saying that some people have been fully processed in
1-2 months. what experience(s) has anyone had thus far?

i would love to hear from someone in the same position....

regards - jamie


author: agwa

subject: Re: defacto visa from london

text:
My application sounds like the double of yours (Aussie girl, 2 years, 1
year together etc...).

Sent it off front loaded 13th Feb.  Had a call from agents today, saying
AHC wanted a phone interview.  Inerview lasted 2 mins and at the end of
it, granted me the visa which I'll pick up tomorrow...

Ave'It


subject: Re: defacto visa from london

text:
well.....fingers crossed, im off to sydney (where my partner comes
from). i went there in 2001 for a while to visit her family etc and
loved every minute of it!

i emailed aussie house for an appointment yesterday so i will wait and
see. i want an appointment as opposed to post as i have to leave london
by aug 27 as we have flights booked ( i will go to oz, regardless even
if it is for one year).

at least if i have an appointment  (even if it is in 2 months) i WILL
know one way or another on that day even though it may turn out that
sending it by post could be quicker, but i don't wanna take that chance
if you know what i mean!

for you - all those years together and a daughter.....you'll have NO
probs, i'm sure of it!

see ya - jamie


author: booboo

subject: Re: defacto visa from london

text:
Thanks Jamie

That was the info I needed.
I have decided to make an appointment to get visa on same day.
Your questions regarding this will also be of interest to me. I did
email them yesterday and asked how long does it take  till the
appointment once I have requested it. Iv,e heard it takes about
4-5weeks. As of yet , no answer.

Also having read the part about stat.declarations for a Spouse
it would seem in my case that I do not need to provide these. For
evidence of our relationship it say that this MIGHT be of the things we
could do.  We,ve been togther for 16 years and married for 11years. We
have plenty of other types of evidence of our continued committment
including our beautiful daughter.

Where are you hoping to live in Aus. We off to Melbourne (where I
was born). Let me know how you get on and best wishes to you and
your partner.

Cheers
BooBoo


author: Dinky

subject: Re: defacto visa from london

text:
Guys, Please do a search.
Many people, including me, have written about this just a couple
of days ago.
Front Loading is the way to go. Email for an appointment, turn up and 45
mins later it's yours! No interview or anything.

Dinky


subject: Re: defacto visa from london

text:
Hi Jamie

Ive heard it takes up to four months if you have front end loaded.

Please could you tell me about your stat.declarations. The people who
wrote them for you i.e. friends and family, did they have to get them
signed or witnessed by an Official or anybody. My friends have just
written theirs for my husband spouse visa and Im not sure if thats all
that is needed with the declarations

Cheers
BooBoo


subject: Re: defacto visa from london

text:
Hi Guys,
 In answer to questions:
I included form 80 - I think it needs to be done at some stage anyway.
I waited approx 4-5 days for a response to my email. I wouldn't
pester them and make sure you have medicals and police checks
approved in advance.
My appointment came thru about 5 weeks later.
Just turned up 20 mins before the alotted time (always a queue), they
called my name handed over the application[they had no interest in small
talk or help in finding things in my application]. Waited 30 odd mins
and then called back to be given my Visa.
All pretty cool, no questions, no interviews and no hassle.

Good luck to all.

P.S. We're heading for Sydney early next year.


subject: Re: defacto visa from london

text:
Originally posted by agwa

the sounds great, thanks and congrats!
j.


subject: Re: defacto visa from london

text:
Originally posted by Dinky

hi dinky,

i dont think i need to but did you/should i send in form 80 with my
application (i guess it wouldnt do any harm?). know where in the immi
site does it mention form 80 for defacto/spouse visas but i read
somewhere that people did sent it. maybe i should just keep it with me
in case they ask at my appoinment?

also photos. i have not included any in my app but should i take
some with me when i go to aussie house to apply, just in case -
wadda ya think?

cheers - j.


subject: Re: defacto visa from london

text:
Originally posted by Dinky

thanks dinky,

i emailed aussie house yesterday. how long did you wait for a reply
email and how long was it from time of email to time of appointment? do
they ring you for an appointment?

did they get funny about stuff when you were there? were they pretty
cool about everything? what does it involve when you go there etc?

enough questions, but thanks in advance!

cheers - jamie


subject: Re: defacto visa from london

text:
Originally posted by booboo

i heard 4 months too.

with regards to stat decs. i have got four in total, one from my parents
in london, one from partners mother in sydney, one from my brother in
london and one from our mutual friend in london. i went to a local
solicitor who drafted a stat dec template and inserted the decs from my
friends and relatives into separate dec templates and charged just ï¿½5
(seems to be the going rate) for each stat dec. the person who wrote the
dec had to be present so that the solicitor could witness them sign it
and put their stamp on the paper. (that was the hardest part, getting
friends and relatives to get time off work etc!).

whilst i was there my local solictor also stampled some photocopies of
birth certs & passports etc all for free but most places would charge
another ï¿½5 for each certified photocopy. i guess i was just lucky!

so, good luck with the app and go for the appointment at aussie house
instead of posting it, i have!

jamie


author: TrickyTree

subject: Re: defacto visa from london

text:
Quick question jamie1977

Re: Stat Decs

You say the person who wrote the stat dec had to be present at the
solicitors.
How does the person from Aus who wrote the stat dec attend?

As I will have a stat dec from my girlfriends folks and a friend
who know us.
But both will be in Oz?

This is the only part that is confusing me?!?!?!?!

Cheers

TT

Originally posted by jamie1977
jamie


author: Miguel

subject: How locate FAQ for this group (misc.writing.screenplays) into www.faq.org?

text:
I would appreciate some guide on locate this faq into www.faq.org
because that page appears confused.

Thanks in advance

(I will appreciate CC to [email])


author: Jeff Newman

subject: Re: How locate FAQ for this group (misc.writing.screenplays) into www.faq.org?

text:
If you are trying to find the FAQ to this newsgroup, go to:

http://www.communicator.com/faqs.html
http://www.communicator.com/writfilm.html

Another good screenwring FAQ:

http://screenwriting.miningco.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.t
eako170.com/faq.html

(Since the above link won't all be in blue, it won't be a clickable link.  Cut
and paste it by starting with the cursor at the END of the url ... i.e., with
the "l" of ".html")

Jeff Newman


author: Dena Jo

text:
[email] (Jeff Newman) wrote:

Interesting and useful link.  Thanks.


author: Peter Silberman

subject: New/Used 525 - 1.2gig SCSI Tapes

text:
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Please understand that with these low prices, I can't return LD calls on
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If interested, leave message in echo, call me at 214-696-3426 (home)
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Free Shipping on prepaid orders over $200.
Due to delivery problems with both UPS and USPS, no international sales
Sorry but no trades.


author: Scott Landon Fields

subject: Wanted:AC power adaptor for EVEREX Laptop (URGENT)

text:
I have a friend that is in DESPERATE and SPEEDY need for the external
AC power brick adaptor for an EVEREX Tempo VX 386SX-20 notebook.

They don't care if it is used or NEW. Please let them know if you have one
or where they can get one in less than 5 days.

Call 405-355-5566 and ask for Todd or Ron. Again, please respond and soon as
you can. They will work out price with you. Thanks.
The affore mentioned laptop is headed to Brazil for a long time.


author: "Booley"

subject: Re: Trading Systems

text:
"TradeStation" by Omega Research is pretty-much the "industry standard" in
charting and "roll-your-own" systems.
There are also *tons* of systems, indicators, paint-bars, and "show-me"
studies that have been written for this platform (vendors that are called
"Omega Solution Providers").
TS 4.0 has a "bouncing-tick" phenomenon where it "assumes" (as-in "makes an
*ass-out-of-you-and-me*!) that you were/are always positioned on the entry
"right" side of the trade during it's charming "back-testing". This,
of-course is a dog that not only "can't hunt", he is blind and deaf-and has
rabies as-well!
Now, there probably are some lucky souls reading this who've gotten richer
than Bill Gates with a "system" concocted in TS. If this is the case, don't
bother to "flame" me. I'm just speaking from personal experience!
The big problem with trading "systems" is when you really put them to the
test, there are a lot that will make money in the short-term; but when you
test them on large, significant amounts of data, they almost always "fall"
to the 50% or-less figure. Why-not flip a coin instead??
Then there are the differentiations that you will almost *have* to make
between long-entries and exits-and short-entries and exits.
Oh, not-to-mention money-management... Let's see... will it be
percent-trailing or fixed? Profit-targets or hard-stops? How about MM stops
for losers? How large will those stop values be? Will you
"stop-and-reverse"? Why not? How are you going to adjust those stops when
market volatility changes?? (The nemesis of many an unwary "systems"
trader!)
So you see... "It's not just a Job, it's an Adventure!"
The siren call of having your "high-speed-idiot" of a computer trade for you
is alluring indeed-that's why there are so-many "Ready-To-Wear" systems out
there.
Too-bad that 99% of them will put you in your local homeless shelter!
All-this being said-will *you* find, test, and "concoct" a winning system?
Stranger things have happened!!
                                                        Regards,
                                                        Booley (Hates Risk!)