subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Alan Hope <[email]> wrote:

I don't know much about compost power, but I'm learning more about
power generation as time goes on.  I'll add solar panels first, then
I'll add a wind generator.  Then possibly a steam-driven generator.
Things take time, in fact time taken seems inversely proportional to
budget size.  Fortunately I have time, I have the rest of my days.

What I'm "bemoaning", if that's the right word, is the fact that
modern society forces people into a particular kind of conformance;
regular attendance at a job of some type, subservience in the
workplace, monthly bills, things expected like proper clothing and a
presentable vehicle, a reduction in the time one has for whatever one
feels important by half or more, and so forth.  I think the same
comforts could be achieved without jamming Man into such a stressful
mold, furthermore I think that over time the model will change into
one that is more liveable.

Ooooh, I love it when you talk dirty like that.  Are you wearing the
black leather undies?  <g>

No, I'm just a guy who put up with all he could take then decided to
find out how much of it he could be rid of.  Quite a lot as it turns
out.

It isn't "all things modern" that I have a problem with Alan, it's
what must be done to obtain and maintain them that I find offensive.
Unlike those such as you appear to be, who say "just shut up and take
it", I'm actually finding ways to survive without taking it.  Fakery
is not required.


author: Stan (the Man

subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Brother John wrote:

If you wouldn't mind. Some idiot left the cake out in the rain.


author: Sylvia

subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
In article <[email]>,
 Brother John <@net.com> wrote:

I don't think I'm allowed to, I'm a Boptist.  [1]

<...>

I suspect that yer conversion thingy is broke.

.

You insulted a country wot ya whined has got bazillions of bombs, mortar
rounds and missiles, and ya think that's bright?

      <peering at coordinates>

So, when are ya plannin' to stop bein' a guest of this country wot ya
despise?


author: PJ

subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"Alan Hope" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

No. But knowing Bob as I did, he's likely having the last laugh ... with
spatula in hand.

~ ~ ~
PJ


subject: [NEVER FORGET]  Aghast  in MW   (was:  Re: Aghast in Chickpea)

text:
Mr. Hope wrote:

.

Yes. Ray Haddad making what he considered a "joke" about Mr. Bob
Pastorio's cancer even *as* that man lay dying.

Worse than that, Haddad's repeatedly demonstrated inability to
understand why his odious behavior drew group censure.

Miz Bernie:  "First I must express my deep sadness at the
                      news of Bob's condition. [...]

                     "Witty and precise in his dealings with allies or
                       adversaries, he always managed to remain the
                       true scholar and gentleman -- and I've really
                       missed his presence in recent weeks.

                      "It is, therefore, a horribly rude shock to
                       realise that the news of his terminal cancer has
                       been used in a petty attempt by Ray to score
                       points over Alan in a totally unrelated quarrel.

                     "Very low blow, Ray -- even for you!  [...]  Shame
                       on you, Ray. Shame! Shame! Shame! P.S. No emails,
                       please. I already have all the  information I
                       need."

Ray Haddad:  "The problem is this, Bernie. Think about it. [...]
                       Because the nitwits of this group, you included,
                       use their own presumptions, not my words, to get
                       upset, this so called tragedy is worsened.

                      "Everyone dies. Bob seems to be near his time. All
                       of his friends here are really upset over this
                       melee here. None of his enemies are. Go figure."

      "Consequently, people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder
        value others primarily according to how well those individuals
        affirm their unrealistic self-image. This limited value of
        others usually means that people with the disorder aren't
        interested in or aren't capable of perceiving the feelings
        or needs of others. They may take advantage of other
        people to make themselves look as good as they imagine."

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00652.html


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"hush, puppy" wrote:

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<...>
.
<...>
.

Right. What good was it to preach that the folk Miz PJ asked about are
lazy 'cause they don't take the time to cook from scratch? It was
close-minded to assume that they all have that option.

As Miz PJ pointed out earlier:

   "people who are working at 2, or even 3 jobs, and barely make enough
    money to pay housing expenses and feed their families and buy
   gas for their cars, let alone have any money left over to enjoy life."

Who doesn't?


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"hush, puppy" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Funny you should mention that. I was a stay-at-home mom for 8 years and I
adored it. That's when I learned all my Mother Earth ways of growing,
preserving, shopping, cooking, sewing, etc. Then an
unplanned-for-absence-of-breadwinner occurred, and I had to get a job.
Wasn't a "keeping up with the Joneses" thing, it was a "gotta earn money to
feed my kids and keep a roof over their heads" thing. But interestingly
enough, that experience broadened my knowledge of how to stretch a dollar
and make the most out of every second in the day. I talk about that in the
first chapter of my cookbook, which is entitled, aptly, "Surviving a Hectic
Schedule." When I think back on that time of my life, I often get tired and
have to sit down. But back then I managed, and managed very well. And so did
my kids.

I'm thinking of firing up my blog again, but different from what it was
before. Not general chatty stuff, or solely food-related like my Bouquet
Garni blog; instead, focusing on what we're talking about here -- survival
tactics for busy families. Menu planning tips, ways to stretch grocery
dollars, how to cook cheap, how to make the most of time. It won't appeal to
the same audience as before but that's okay. Maybe what I have to say will
help some people, and that'd make it worth it to me.

You've made me think, which is good. And if I decide to go ahead with this,
I might tap you for some of the ideas you've shared (Goodwill shopping,
etc.)

~ ~ ~
PJ


author: serenebabe

subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
On 2008-03-01 06:58:26 -0500, "hush, puppy" <[email]> said:
<...>
<...>

This is what I also meant to reply to Sal's message. I saw she wrote
something about people not wanting to take the time to do the cooking
or shopping right. I skimmed right over it but it bit me in the ass a
few hours later. What?!?!? Christine did a marvelous job of responding
to that. Sal blaming the victim was a surprise. I suspect it wasn't her
intent.

And, PJ, I think that quality of life isn't taken seriously enough as a
priority. I feel for those folks, too.

Sad thing is, mainstream culture is constantly bombarded with the
message that a better quality of life can only be found if we go for
"convenience." It's hard to believe life can be better, more simple,
and calmer if we take on what seems like "more work" (prepping food
ourselves). If I'm working 8-6, picking up kids from daycare, helping
my sister get through her chemotherapy, and trying to get the shopping
done, I could easily be swayed by the falsehood that popping a tray of
pre-made meals into the microwave will make life better/easier.


author: Brother John

subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Sylvia wrote:

There is an easy way to get around it. It is known as reality. Try it
sometime.

I have eaten nothing but natural, unprocessed, chemical and preservative
free food since the seventies. My grocery bill is lower than anyone I know,
and my menus healthier and tastier. The only difference is that my time in
the kitchen is proportionally higher than most of those people I refer to.
The food doesn't prepare itself.

Nonsense. Cans and frozen food are up to 40% water weight. Fresh produce
purchased in reasonable quantities is never dearer, often cheaper. I have
lived in dozens of cities and a number of countries and NEVER found fresh
produce dearer than prepared foods.

You are falling into the free-range, organic BS. It doesn't make a
difference nutritionally, though some feel that it makes an
emotional/intellectual difference. I don't. Over the past decade or so,
various consumer tests on supposedly organic foods have shown no
nutritional improvements, even losses in some cases.

I spend a much lower proportion of my income on food now than I did in the
seventies, even allowing for a higher income level. I base that on the
wages paid to new graduates in my industry.

I deny it and I am most certainly living it. Reality that is.

Why not? It is often a good indicator.

BJ


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
hush, puppy wrote:

I thought you made your own sweets from sugar beets you grow yourself up
on Mt. Fucktheworld. Kinda cheatin', aintcha, Jeremiah?


author: hush, puppy

subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Towse <[email]> wrote:

That is not necessarily a valid concept.  If you eat well, your hunger
is satisfied, you don't feel a need to binge after dinner etc.  If you
eat crap, you need to eat a lot more crap to fool your body into
thinking it's been fed.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"Towse" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I reacted to what you wrote. Could it possibly be that you didn't write
exactly what you meant?

< ... >

< ... >

That wasn't necessary. If there was a miscommunication here, you play a role
just as I do. You sounded narrow-minded to me. I know you're not. So I
responded accordingly. Telling me to "get a grip" is pretty Ray-esque, Sal.

~ ~ ~
PJ


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
In article <[email]>,
 Towse <[email]> wrote:

      <UNsnip>
.
      </UNsnip>

    "family with 3 kids [...]  people who are struggling to
     make it these  days"

The folks Miz PJ was talking about are not going to be buying
blackberries or asparagus at all. See, that's the thing--veggies like
that are too expensive for them even in season.

.

To be fair, you had already offended Miz PJ because she said that she
wasn't talking about junk food, and right off you lectured:

      "[...] Doesn't need to be, though. Depends on whether you're
        buying snacks and frozen fish sticks, Pop-tarts and sugared
        drinks, frozen french fries and toaster waffles, Froot Loops
        and spaghetti-dinos, Gummy-bears and chocolate-covered
        graham crackers."

<...>

What do you mean "get a grip"? She didn't ask how can a family go
through money so quickly on groceries, she said that, as she is aware of
what food costs, she wondered how folks in tight money situations could
manage to feed their families good food. That's why she got ticked when
you lectured her about expensive junk food. Since you didn't get her
point the first time, Miz PJ reiterated:

      "What I am talking about is people's ability to feed their
        families with the kind of nutritious food *I* always bought
        for my family. And I know for a fact after surveying the
        grocery aisles today that it must be very, very tough. I
        would suspect that anyone who denies that isn't currently
        living it."

And, *still* you go on with:

It's obvious that you didn't pay attention to what she wrote or what she
asked, but even so, towse, how could you possibly think that she
wouldn't know that such people exist?

Face it, towse, you're the one who needs to "get a grip". Miz PJ asked a
specific question. You ignored her premise and her question and
*lectured* her what you thought she should be asking about (the expense
of junk food and not to buy expensive vegetables out of season), then
you got irritated with her because she wouldn't accept the information
you were trying to push, information that she already had and/or that
had nothing to do with her question.

Then, with Miz PJ still not knowing what you were on about, lecturing to
her about stuff she already knows/said, when she misunderstood your
definition of seasonal produce, but at least asked you, "Did I
misunderstand?", you snapped at *her* to "get a grip".

Are you not aware that you are reacting as if something personal was on
the line? Golly, good for Miz PJ this was just about the price of food,
and not, say Obama.


author: Jackson Pillock

subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Towse <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

Cheap chicken is a controversial issue here in England. Ever seen the
conditions these chickens grow in? Makes you sick. My solution: have a
better chicken once in a while, as a treat.

They buy corn chips and


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Jackson Pillock wrote:

So, that would also take care of fuel for your car. Very efficient shopping.


author: gekko

subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"hush, puppy" <[email]> let the dogs out in
news:[email]:

It isn't true.  Your farts will NOT power your house.


author: Alan Hope

subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
hush, puppy goes:

Right, because everyone was so much more free in the days before
industrialisation, when you had to slave in the fields from dawn till
dusk to achieve even a semblance of subsistence. Talk about regular
attendance at a job to someone who has to till some dust to grow a bit
of manioc, or walk miles every day to haul water. Talk about
subservience in the workplace to a family that might see their entire
food supply washed out by one flash-flood. You're in the unutterably
coddled position of worrying about "whatever one feels important" when
for the rest of the world, the only important thing is staying alive
until tomorrow.

If you had any idea how whiny, spoiled and juvenile you sound, you'd
fucking hush all right, puppy.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
hush, puppy goes:

You're a spoiled brat, that's all. Look at you on your computer
posting to Usenet about how much of the modern world you've forsaken.
What a joke.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Sylvia wrote:

Nope. It ain't broke. It is unbelievable how many times one US soldier can
miss? Compare the number of rounds expended per kill for other nation's
soldiers; it is beyond embarrassing. The US must have the world's most
ineffectively trained army. Of course that is a reputation the the US has
had since the late nineteenth century. In both WW2 and Vietnam, the Allies
often referred to US troops as Ice Cream soldiers. Nothing appears to have
improved since those days.

Nope. They are running out, and unless I decide to vacation in Baghdad, I'm
unlikely to find myself a target.

Guest? I haven't lived in the US in two decades (and I don't despise the
country, or most of its people, just its political thuggery). Many
Americans hate Bush just as much and any Iraqi does. In the coming decades
as the US segues into a third world nation many more will spit when they
hear his name. It is unbelievable how a man so stupid, so incompetent,
could have risen to a level of power where he could singlehandedly destroy
a nation like the US. Before being elected he was proved to be incapable of
successfully running a medium sized business, yet he was handed the world's
largest economy. The US is still functioning in a severely limited
function, but really it's only on life support, delaying the decay of the
corpse. That life support will be turned off soon as they cannot afford to
pay the power bill.

How long before all the US schools have Cantonese and Mandarin as
compulsory subjects? It will happens, but many are too insular to realise
that. Typically, they are completely unaware of international politics and
the US' slide into obscurity. In a few years greenbacks will be a cheaper
option than wallpaper.

I wonder if, like the Soviet Union, the US will be predominantly controlled
by crime syndicates once the economy implodes? They certainly have a head
start with a long history of criminal involvement in politics.

Watching the US is a little like watching an ant farm. You can see them all
running about, blissfully unaware of their impending doom. From where I
sit, I can see that the ant farm has been thrown into the garbage, the kid
who owned it lost interest and his mother threw it out. There is no more in
the way of life's resources coming their way, no more food, no more water,
no more protection from the sun. The ants in that farm think that
everything is normal, just not quite as much in reserve as there was
before. Maybe a mean kid with a magnifying glass will find them, after all
there is no longer any protection left, all the soldier ants were wasted
trying to invade an apparently defenseless but surprisingly more resilient
than expected insect community.

BJ


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Sylvia goes:

That's A-bop.

I specifically asked for B-bop.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Miz "PJ"  wrote:

He always did laugh when Gene Royer tried to explain nutrition.

  From the (Official) MW Archives, Section: Snake Oil Archive:

   Gene Royer:  "Cute, but no cigar, B-b.  Which tells me you really
                           didn't read the copy hype that you are so
                           vehemently attacking. You  don't even know
                           what it is. What a hoot!"

Chef Pastorio:  "Sadly, Geno, I did read it. That's why this is so
                           funny. It's exactly what the Risotrieneï¿½ you
                           peddle isn't. There's no 'food' in the 'food
                           supplement.' It's a chemical soup that
                           nourishes the multi-levels with money all up
                           the line and offers nothing nutritionally
                           that a decent diet wouldn't include. Drink
                           less alcohol and eat better and you wouldn't
                           need this stuff. "


author: Ray Haddad

subject: Re: [NEVER FORGET]  Aghast  in MW   (was:  Re: Aghast in Chickpea)

text:
On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:06:54 -0600, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
and Sylvia <[email]> instead replied:

Another of your lies, Sylvia. Show me the joke. Now. Or shut up.

Once again proving that I never, ever did what you declared I did.
Show me. Not Bernie's words. Not your words. Show mine.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
On 2008-03-01 07:52:08 -0500, "PJ" <[email]> said:
<...>
<...>

If you do that, let mothering.com folks know about it. They're all over
that stuff. :-)


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
In article <[email]>,
 Brother John <@net.com> wrote:

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.

We are discounting turning to a life of crime as a solution.

      <aside>
gawd. I'll bet he's about 15 years old. Bets?
      </aside>

      <grabbing (Official) MW PA System microphone>

Cleanup! (Faux) Old hippie, Aisle Four!

Whom do ya know?

The folks ya know must find ya insufferably full of yerself.

Well, now. That ain't gonna help the folks in question, the ones who
want to feed their families nutritious food though they are struggling
to make ends meet even while workin' extra jobs, is it? That's the
point, here, Skippy. They don't got enough money, they don't got enough
time, many don't got access to decent food, and some of them don't got
the damned kitchen, 'K?

Why don't ya explain that to those parents. Tell 'em how lazy they are,
but veil yer halo so ya don't blind them.

.

Plain frozen veggies are not surrounded by a block of ice. The veggies
in both cans and bags are already shucked/peeled/cleaned of inedible
parts.

That used to be true a long time ago. That oughta be true today. But, it
ain't, not in general, as I wrote, not where the folks in question would
shop.

*This* country, Skippy. We're talkin' about *this* country. The one ya
hate so much, but not enough to not be a guest of.

   "I have eaten nothing but natural, unprocessed, chemical and
     preservative free food since the seventies"

.

Oh, yeah? I got yer emotional difference right here:

      [EVERYONE ELSE  * * *DISREGARD* * *]

      [NO, REALLY, YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW]

      [I AM SOOO NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR Y'ALL READIN' THIS]

Why doncha do a petite bit of research on the difference between the
chemical content of the fat of "free-range, organic BS" chickens and
that of chicken-mill chickens? Then check the bacteria content. Then
find out what goes into the feed of both kinds of chickens--think
"bovine meat-and-bone meal". You'll find out about some more stuff
that'll put yer emotions in a whirl.

      [/EVERYONE ELSE  * * *DISREGARD* * *]

      [ YOU PEEKED, DIDN'T YA? ]

      <laughing>

Who ran them "various consumer tests", Skippy? Cites?

.

Another incredibly shallow, Self-congratulatory, Self-engrossed idiot
with no clue about how otter peeps live, but ready to lecture about
their lifestyle.
.

Re-inserting two lines for context:
.

You don't speak of a family, everything you say is "I"--not a valid
comparison. You don't have a clue wot we've been discussin' 'cause you
can't see past yerself and your protective delusions.

Yer "reality" has some interestin' contradictions. How is that possible?

.

I think that sez it all about this newbie.

NO BASKET!


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"Stan (the Man)" <[email]> wrote:

So you've decided to offer me up on the alter of perpetual castigation
along with Haddad, is that it?


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:14:54 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
and "PJ" <[email]> instead replied:

Namedropper!

Ok, all kidding aside, when you buy canned or frozen, the store
brand or generic label is almost always cheaper unless the others
are on sale. Sometimes even out of season fruit or vegetables
shipped from other areas where they are in season are loss leaders
for a store to get you in for shopping. Lettuce used to be a good
loss leader since it's economical to ship and seems so essential for
salads. Meats from a wholesale butcher is cheaper in bulk. CostCo
has large cans for restaurants that save tons of money for the
membership fee. Some credit unions pay your fees and they seem to be
everywhere these days.


author: Towse

subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
PJ wrote:

'Telling people to buy seasonal is so narrow-minded' came from you, PJ.
I was answering. I stand by what I wrote in all three posts to this thread.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Miz PJ  wrote:

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      <UNsnip>
      </UNsnip>

Hello? You obviously just didn't understand towse's definition of
"seasonal"... ummm... are you saying that you do now? 'Cause I still
don't get it.

Ahem...  "Compare and contrast":

 towse:  "Buy locally. Buy seasonally"

Miz PJ:  "[...] what exactly does  it mean for someone living in
              Michigan? Or other cold climates? To us, 'seasonally' is
              from late June through mid-September. So if families want
              to feed their children fresh fruits and vegetables, from
              what you're saying, they shouldn't do that nine months out
              of the year."

That is exactly what it looks as if towse is saying to you. Buy locally:
Michigan area.  Buy seasonally: growing seasons in the Michigan area.

   towse:  "Seasonal vegetables are just what they are ... the vegetables
                that are being grown and harvested in that season."

Ummmmm...  as opposed to buying the vegetables that are *not* being
grown and harvested in that season? How would you do that?

  towse:  "[...]  i.e. NOT berries, bananas [...] even though you're
                 thoroughly sick of snow and cold [...]"

So, buy only the vegetables that are being grown and harvested in that
season in the Michigan area... how is that different from what you
asked?  (Note:  Stick to the Chickpea banana crop, *in season*.)

If towse had only said "buy seasonally", she might have meant
"seasonally" as far as where the produce comes from, but "seasonally" in
which country? Produce has been shipped globally for decades. And, if
it's not in season anywhere, then how can you buy produce out of season?
Still, you specified "*fresh* fruits and vegetables", and towse's first
qualification was "buy locally", so that takes you full circle to "what
exactly does  it mean for someone living in Michigan?"

And, how does this answer your original question about the price of
nutritious food?

      <whispering>

I don't think it's yer grip, Miz PJ, I suspect that towse's reply is
slippery.

Oh.  So, no straight answer to come, huh?


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Jackson Pillock goes:

Cheap chicken and cheap pork, not by coincidence the two most popular
meats. Both of them utter deplorable filth, not only disgraceful but
also dangerous to the health.

When I were a lad, we had chicken on Sunday for a treat. One bird fed
two adults and four kids. Nowadays you get half a chicken as a
portion.

We eat too much meat, and that doesn't help if you're trying to keep
costs down. Eat less meat and more veg, and choose bulk foods that are
healthy, like wholewheat pasta or fresh potatos instead of chips,
chips, chips.

The Italians have a great system of dining. You begin with a primo
piatto of pasta, in various preparations. It's not a huge
washbasin-sized plateful, but it's a decent starter portion. That
takes the edge off your appetite, and you follow it with a secondo
piatto of meat or fish, and a contorno of vegetables. No more pasta.

If you still have room for tiramisu or zabaglione after that, you
haven't been paying attention.

Something else about the Continental way of eating: take your time.
People in Italy, France and Spain have longer lunch-hours, and eat
proper meals in a more leisurely fashion. A midday meal is in my view
more healthy than a main meal in the evening, and it's a fact that for
the major part of human history, that's the way it worked. Dinner in
England used to be a full meal in the afternoon, and it's only after
the import of the concept of luncheon that dinner got shoved to the
evening. In most parts of the country, the non-U folk will still speak
of their midday meal as "dinner". Only the post metropolitan media
types have lunch at all.

Where was I? Ah yes: eating more slowly is better for you. You eat
less, because you're more attuned to your body's signal when it's had
enough. Imagine chugging a bottle of vodka: by the time your body
tells you it's had enough, you've already consumed too much and can't
row back. So it goes with eating. If you bolt it down your body's
signal will come too late. That's why you eat less at a long meal that
you do if you're eating against the clock.

And one last thing: eat a decent breakfast. Your morning behaviour
conditions your eating for the rest of the day.

What was the question again?


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
On 2008-03-01 04:29:58 -0500, Jackson Pillock
<[email]> said:
<...>
<...>

Having to explain what the animal is that we're eating has us much more
motivated to do this. We still buy meat from the CAFOs and other ugly
sources, but, have decided that the crazy expensive prices of the meat
from animals we know are well worth it. It's much better to eat a meat
we can explain to Maya "had a good life before it was killed." Better
for all of us in so, so many ways.

One more plug for Kingsolver's book. She has a fabulous section on
eating meat, even the usefulness of slaughtering your own.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"Stan (the Man)" <[email]> wrote in
news:47c94e1f$0$5641$[email]:

I'm very green.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
gekko <[email]> wrote:

Chuh, methane rocks!  Sticking a hose up one's ass to capture the
goodies is a bit more than I'm willing to deal with though.  <sniff>


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Alan Hope <[email]> wrote:

It's a pity that in those days nobody had time to do anything beyond
mere susbsitence isn't it, if they had perhaps they'd have found ways
of advancing Mankind beyond that level.  Oh, wait... someone must have
done that!  Ah, it was the wealthy dunnit, no doubt.  All bow down in
reverence to wealth, there, the reverent ones are good people.

Shame, isn't it?  I'm so pampered.  Why, I had running cold water
until around Christmastime.  Unfortunately I'm unable to re-thatch my
hut without doing it according to county regulations though, quite
specific, fairly costly.  Where was I...

If you weren't so blinkered you'd recognize that you yourself are in
their same position, even though the situation in your case is more
complex; a fire, an earthquake, some form of tornado, economic
collapse, you'd be done-for.

And the point of staying alive is what again?  Goodness I'd forgotten,
you're an atheist so the point of staying alive is to avoid the
extingusihing darkness that comes when the switch is flipped, isn't
that it?  I find it confusing.  I no more believe in an afterlife of
harp-strumming virgins than you do, yet I believe that life is for
doing what is important, not simply continuing a miserable existence
of existing in misery.  If people have no future but an existence
devoid except for misery, why don't they put an end to it?  Ah, now I
remember, suicide is a sin and would send them to hell.  Goofy stuff,
but they have a right to it.

Mirror, mirror, on the wall... oops, Alan, I'm quite impressed, you've
outdone me yet again!


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Alan Hope <[email]> wrote:

Is your goat that gotten?

All I've forsaken is the alarm clock, the cubicle, the commute, the
need for a new car, the lies spewen in mandatory company meetings,
neighbors' barking dogs within 50 feet, and the like.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Mr. Hope wrote:

Man gets an automagic upgrade, and he *complains*.  gawd.


subject: born Again on Mt. Fucktheworld      (Re: Aghast in Chickpea)

text:
"hush, puppy" wrote:

.
.
.

Are you suggesting that Ray Haddad has *not* spent years in perpetual
anti-social behavior? Behavior considered anti-social even for Usenet?
That he does not continue to do so?

Or, did ya say that rather than look at why yer benign may post have
elicited such a remark right now? Were ya hoping to deflect....

      <dramatic pause>

THIS?

      <yanking cord>

      <turning to see... curtain still in place>

summabitch.

         <yanking cord again>

Can someone give me a hand here?

      <waiting>

bastids.

      <grabbing machete>

Ahem. Were ya hoping to deflect....

      [WHACK!]

      <curtain collapses to reveal...>

1) Yer latest Dan'l Boone-esque posts haven't even cleared the top of
the newsreaders yet.

2) It's only been about five days since ya donned the Sackcloth and
Ashes. This ain't the Catholic Church, ya can't expect to gain complete
and instant absolution from peeps.

Hell, ya can't even expect peeps to put a quarter in the Snack Fund can
whenever they partake of a Tasty Snack in the MW Rec Room.

3)  <peering>  Yep.  Yer forehead is still stamped with [REGARD] WITH
SUSPICION.

Keep dunkin' yer head in cold water from time to time, and it'll wear
off faster.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"hush, puppy" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Nah, he's just funnin' witcha. I could see him saying something similar to
me, like maybe "What? You buy store-bought soap? I thought you made your own
soap from the hardwood ashes left from cooking pork butt over an open fire
and the lard you got from slaughtering one of your free-range pigs. Kinda
cheatin', aintcha Jeremiahess?"

As for the "Mt. Fucktheworld" thing, well that was sorta your MO for quite a
while. It'll take time for peeps to get used to this newer, kinder you. Be
patient, Jeremiah.

<g>

~ ~ ~
PJ


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"Towse" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Okay, whatever. The whole point of my post was that I know it must be really
hard for a family to afford their grocery bill these days, and I believe
that based on the meager amount of groceries that I buy ... and just for the
record, I don't buy Froot Loops, Pop-tarts, fish sticks, sugared drinks,
frozen french fries, frozen hamburgers, or any such gucky trash that you
mentioned. I buy nutritious food, make things from scratch even today, and
find my own grocery bill -- for just one person -- to be astounding. So, I
stand by what *I* wrote that I feel for parents who undoubtedly have a hard
time feeding their families with today's prices. Trying to feed a family of
4 or 5 or 6 has to be ungodly costly these days even if breakfast is limited
to oatmeal, it's always chicken rather than steak, there's no hot dogs, and
vegetables are purchased canned when they're not in season.

~ ~ ~
PJ


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Money talks. Sylvia <[email]> posts this:

<snip Sylvia's reasoned rebuttal down to this>

Yup.

Note that crops grown and sold locally _here_ are more expensive than
crops grown in, say, Garbanzo (translation "Chickpea"), Sonora, and
shipped in.  Interestingly enough. Buy a tomato from the roadside
stand and it's $3.  Per.  Tomato.  But at the local supermarket, this
particular batch they just trucked in from south a the border, are on
especial at $1.99/lb.

So while towse's opinionly lecture sounds good on the surface, people
who actually have to shop for their own food rather than have the
minions do it for them see through it.  Innit.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Mr. Hope wrote:

<...>

Most generous of it. Was it a cook, or did it merely wait table?

<...>
<...>

Ridiculous amounts of meat.

<...>

Much more civilized. A nice nap afterwards is even more civilized.

Belgium?

IIRC, there's a twenty minute lapse between your stomach filling and the
time yer brain gets the signal. If I'm not sure, I tell myself that if
I'm still hungry in twenty minutes, then I can have more. More likely
than not, I've already wandered away from table by then, havin'
forgotten about the extra food.

It helps if ya hang bright, shiny objects in the distance.

This is why, if I planned on a tasty dessert, that I eat it at the start
of meal. Otherwise, I'm unlikely to ever get to it.

Are those pancakes goin' unclaimed?


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Alan Hope <[email]> wrote:

Is "when I were a lad" correct?  It's odd not to see "was" used there.

In my teen years I ate what I was given.  As a young man living alone
I made my own trail-mix and ate that, fresh fruits and vegetables, and
salads; there were no treats then since I considered treats a lapse of
discipline.  When I was supporting a family of five we ate lobster as
a treat, or scallops, trout, or maybe a nice T-bone or a thick cut of
prime rib.  Now as I'm getting older a nice bottle of wine with a
beautiful sunset is an occasional treat, the wine being optional.

I've done the "health" thing, and I've done the "eat yourself to death
in three meals" thing, and I've concluded that the trick is learning
to listen to your own body since it will tell you how to select the
most satisfying of the available choices.  If you're eating something
other than what your body needs, it'll send you back for more and more
until it's been given something it can work with.  Steak is not
inherently more expensive than hamburger if you consider the entire
picture, in fact I've found that it costs less to choose steak,
overall.

I've also concluded over the years that almost nothing is the same for
everyone, that the depth of our individuality is more often
underestimated than not.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"Alan Hope" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

< ... >

< ... >

I love Peter Mayle's "A Year in Provence," as well as all the other books he
wrote about living there. He talks in great depth, with superb wit, about
the lengthy, multiple course meals in southern France, and it's a joy to
read about.

~ ~ ~
PJ


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
On 2008-03-01 12:18:29 -0500, Alan Hope <[email]> said:
<...>
<...>

Love the slow foods comments.

This, though, is the issue I struggle with most re: food. I know
intellectually it's true. I work hard to have a good breakfast,
modeling it for Maya. But, it is SO hard for me to eat from hunger in
the mornings!

As I understand, it's important to eat within 30 minutes of getting up
or something? Blood sugar related.

Eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a ... (duke?), and dinner like a pauper.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Jackson Pillock wrote:

I hear that ain't easy to be...


subject: Re: born Again on Mt. Fucktheworld      (Re: Aghast in Chickpea)

text:
Sylvia <[email]> wrote:

Irrelevant, two on one altar is overcrowding.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"Stan (the Man)" <[email]> wrote:

It must appear that way.  Just trying to find out what I'm dealing
with, Stan.  I don't mind getting my chain pulled now and then.

And no, we use all the sugar beets we grow up here on Mt. Fucktheworld
to make illegal booze that we sell to Sheriff Bubba, then we take the
cash from that and buy sweets with it, along with the supplies we need
to keep the meth lab going; it works out purty good you know, except
for the booze and the meth lab being imaginary and all.

On a slightly different topic, I figure another 3 good-weather days
might see the roof completed.  It'll be a major landmark for me, given
how totally terrified I was of getting up on anything taller than a
footstool a year ago.  A week or two ago we were inside marking the
location for a vent flashing, and I had a ladder up resting against a
roof truss while Mrs Boots kept the plum-bob from being too much the
pendulum at the end of its 12-foot line, I was thinking nothing of it
except that I could use a third arm for a couple minutes, and
afterward she said it was the most insane ladder-work she'd ever seen.
I highly recommend the idea of spending time doing things that scare
the bejesus out of you, but mileage varies; I saved probably $600 by
doing the roof myself (at a guess) and it could have been done a whole
lot faster, but I'd still be scared to death of heights.

Now all I'm scared of is running out of cookies, damn that would be
ugly!


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
PJ wrote:

Ahh, leave 'im be. He's been looking for an op to post that and be a
martyr. Allow him his moment.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"PJ" <[email]> wrote:

That likelihood is why I asked him the question instead of just going
off on him.

Ornery feller, ain't he?

Well you know, brighter folks pick things up faster than, erm, them
other folks. <g>  I figured hush puppies to be a softer kind of
footwear, and "hush" seemed totally appropriate as a reminder to
myself.

Patient?  I ain't going to be no steenking patient, doctors cost way
too much money!


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Money talks. "PJ" <[email]> posts this:

<ahem!>

I hold the exclusive license for froup explanations, Missy. You owe me
royalties.  I demand royalties from Internet replays, as well.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"PJ" <[email]> wrote:

I am utterly dismayed.  <g>


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"PJ" <[email]>!!! You got some 'SPLAININ' to do!
Especially regarding
news:[email]:

<snippy>

Girls!  Girls!  Can't we all just be friends???

:-) :-)


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"gekko" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns9A545A770892crinkles@217.68.187.32...

< ... >

Come visit me this summer and we'll go to the Chickpea Farmers' Market. I go
most every Saturday and it is such a delightful place. Nothing fancy about
it -- it's an outside market with a roof over it, no walls, cement floor.
Real farmers with sun-leathered skin back their trucks into rented stalls
and sell fresh produce that is picked that same morning. Early in the
season, when the market first opens, there are tiny new potatoes, rhubarb,
and asparagus so fresh it practically yells "go ahead! snap me!" A little
later in come baskets and baskets of the sweetest strawberries you could
ever hope to taste, and the whole place is ablaze with color with flats and
pots and hanging baskets of petunias, impatiens, and other annuals, as well
as perennials. As summer continues to move along the people who grow fresh
flowers on their farms sell them by the bunch -- gladiolas and sunflowers
are my favorites, and I invariably buy a few bouquets of each. There are
Amish ladies selling freshly baked pastries, breads, pies, cookies, and
homemade jellies and preserves. The "Cheese Lady" who is famous round these
parts for her incredible array of melt-in-your-mouth cheeses. Tables piled
high with extra-sweet sweet corn, to-die-for beefsteak tomatoes, cucumbers,
small white onions, green onions, and huge white and yellow onions, green
beans, raspberries, blackberries, watermelon, cantaloupe. When fall is
approaching, there are bushels and half-bushels of peaches, pears, apples,
cucumbers, and tomatoes, bunches of fragrant fresh dill for making pickles,
butternut squash, and pumpkins ranging from tiny pie-sized to giant jack
o'lanterns.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
gekko <[email]> wrote:

.

That's how it seems to be in a lot of places.

I wasn't certainly not agreeing with towse about her "buy locally/buy in
season"-to-save-money claim, nor was I saying that Miz PJ had agreed
with towse. That quote's from where I was doin' the "compare and
contrast" thingy regarding Miz PJ's question about towse's definition of
"seasonally".

I didn't find towse's lecture to sound good on the surface, either,
preachy "gawd, yer dumb" delivery aside.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
On 2008-03-01 10:53:39 -0500, gekko <[email]> said:
<...>

It may sound like a wealthy person's position, but, the long-term costs
of not buying locally are devastating.

Sure, trying to make it paycheck to paycheck it's not always going to
make sense to buy local food with a higher price tag. But, making a
conscious decision to (at the very least) *sometimes* buy locally and
sustainably grown is something everyone can do.

For people with money and without, buying long-distance imports from
mega-corporations is not only less tasty, but it contributes to crushed
local farms. The cost of everything goes up.

It's a longer-term investment, but, even those of us who have months
where we barely make the mortgage (not implying we're in poverty, by
any means, but, still) can be aware as we make our purchases.

I don't think Sal in her poorly-worded post (she sounded tired and
annoyed to me, perhaps at other things?) would expect people to live a
Pure Life of all whole and local foods.

But, I think saying "it's not realistic" as some have is diverting the
point. The point is poor people are more likely to eat shit for a
variety of reasons. And, it's in everyone's best interest (besides the
CEOs of the big corporations) to eat locally.


author: Ultraviolet

subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Sylvia <[email]> left the cake out in the rain:

<>

Forgetting animal rights for a mo, I've found that eating a little
red meat is very satisfying and I eat less of other ("bad") things
for a while afterward. Others have said the same. So, realizing
that, I would be inclined to spend more money and calories on, say,
a small filet mignon than the equivalent in bread, pasta, etc.

<>

I do the same and not because I'm afraid I'll be too full for it,
but because I know I won't. If I'm having a mad craving for
something and know I'll give in eventually, I might as well plan for
it rather than eat a bunch of other things and then have it anyway.

<>


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"hush, puppy" <[email]> let the dogs out in
news:[email]:

My body is a two-year old and is even now, as I'm eating a veggie
omelet made with egg whites, screaming "CHOCOLATE! GIMME CHOCOLATE! I
WANT COCOA PUFFS AND ECLAIRS AND GOOEY STICKY CHOCOLATE CHIP
CINNABONS AND ICE CREAM NOWWWW!"

My body needs some discipline.

Don't go there.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
hush, puppy goes:

No, it's not correct, it's a facetious idiom. Like "gold, I tells ya".

Sorry, I was miles away. What was the question again?


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Alan Hope <[email]> wrote:

Not really, when your goat is truly gotten you fall back to saying
"fuck off" and the like, and there goes the discussion.

You're welcome to your opinion, pally.  I'm not sure what it's based
on, but you're welcome to it, it's certainly of no use to me.


text:
"hush, puppy" wrote:

.

Yer only refusin' to accept the truth of wot I pointed out 'cause if ya
did accept it, you'd be admittin' that there ain't no "alter of
perpetual castigation"... and *that* would ruin yer apparent goal of a
transformation from Rancor Without A Cause to Drama Queen.

Not that anyone's noticed. Cary on.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Money talks. "hush, puppy" <[email]> posts this:

Oh yes you do!  You get all whiny, defensive, and serious when your
chain is pulled.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"Stan (the Man)" <[email]> wrote:

Boy, that was a brief moment.  (No, I ain't complaining.)

Dude, want a cookie?  Here, the first one's free. <g>


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"gekko" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns9A545B71D256Ecrinkles@217.68.187.32...

Yeah, but I can do it in 30 words rather than 30 paragraphs. <winkie
thingie>

You misspelled "foreplays."

But my straight sexual orientation forces me to respectfully decline your
offer.

~ ~ ~
PJ


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
hush, puppy" wrote:

Well, now ya did it, Miz PJ. See if puppy shows up at *your* door for
breakfast.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"hush, puppy" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

<g> back.

When my kids were little, they begged for sugary cereal but I refused to
budge. I'd subscribed to a nutrition newsletter and learned that if sugar
appeared first on the ingredients list, that cereal was a no-no. I also
packed their lunches and gave them homemade cookies and nutritious things
instead of store-bought snacks.

Then I heard a nasty rumor that they were trading their lunches with other
kids who lurved my nutritious stuff and homemade treats, while my kids were
longing for a little junk once in a while. I decided to lighten up a bit.

I'll never forget the time I was at the store, all 3 kids in tow, and we
were in the cereal aisle. As always, they were gazing longingly at Cap'n
Crunch with Crunchberries. For the first time ever, I picked up the box and
put it in the cart ... and 3 little mouths promptly fell open in shock.

That's a fun memory. :-)

~ ~ ~
PJ


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Typed that whole damned thing and pressed "send" instead of "spell check."

Oh well. You get my message.

~ ~ ~
PJ


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Jack Sprat could eat no fat, but "PJ" <[email]> could
post in misc.writing:

Only two, three Saturdays, then, eh?


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
It's a serenebabe <[email]> thing, innit, where
news:47c9c9bb$0$7012$[email], posted to misc.writing,
reveals:

Prolly packing for Cairo. But shhh!  Don't tell anyone or they'll
assume I'm there with her.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Miz Ultraviolet  wrote:

.

Well, there ya go!  "A small filet mignon". That's wot I get, not the
huge slab-o-beef wot's so popular.

Heck, you can have some bread or past, too, 'cause part of yer calories
needs to be in carbos.
.

Then it's settled. All peeps wot are goin' to have dessert with a meal
MUST eat their dessert first. I command it.

(I can do that, ya know.)


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
gekko <[email]> wrote:

Put some avocado chunks into that omlette and maybe they'll distract
your body from its chocolate addiction.

Hmmm.  I think mine got its ration of discipline back in my vegan
days.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Alan Hope <[email]> wrote:

Well, you being habitually correct, nearly, (and at least seeming to
know the difference), I though I should ask, no use passing up a
chance to learn something simply to avoid looking the fool.

Two questions really,

(a) can you reach your navel with either hand?
(b) have you seen your nether parts lately?

If the answer to both is "yes" you're probably not dead yet.

I saw a man yesterday who would have been lying to say "yes" to either
question.  I try not to judge people based on appearance, but he'd
make a dandy circus attraction.  It's a very strange world.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Mr. Hope wrote:

<...>

Did ya bring me back a PRESENT from wherever it was ya went?


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"hush, puppy"  wrote:

I don't get it. Why do you think you "got his goat"? How? About what?

.

Generalization, innit. It's been my observation that Mr. Hope sez "fuck
off" when he feels that someone isn't worth entering into a particular
discussion with to begin with (ex: when the Idiot Haddad tries to
banter), or because someone is *not* discussin' a point but dodging it.

.
.

I'm guessin' it's yer typical Luddite-esque stuff like:

      "Modern this, Modern that, the bottom line for me is that when
       the Industrial Revolution came along and masses of farm teens
       emigrated from farms where the work was simple but hard to
       cities where the work was easy and money was easy, a type of
       cultural suicide occurred and we are now simply observing the
       body as it rots."

... which ya share with us by usin' a society-rottin' computer and
internet connection.

That *is* you.

Lookit yer shoooze. I'll betcha ya don't own one pair that could have
been produced by pre-Industrial Revolution methods.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"PJ" <[email]> wrote:

I keep trying to get Mrs Boots to buy some pop-tarts as "blizgrits"
(something to keep us going if we're snowed in) but she keeps giving
me dirty looks and buying granola bars instead.  A guy can live on
pop-tarts but he'll just wither away on granola bars, oh well, part of
the price of love innit, I've sneaked in a few cans of chili and I'm
trying to horde cookies, chili and cookies will keep me going darned
near forever.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
On 2008-03-01 07:58:43 -0500, "PJ" <[email]> said:
<...>

So far we've kept Maya away from the pull of the sugary... pretty well.
She knows a good chocolate when she sees it, knows what cookies and ice
cream are, but, her tastes are definitely towards the healthy. In the
name of not making anything the "forbidden fruit" I do sprinkle
"treats" into our lives. Got a box of "healthy" (ha!) box cereal.
Something with gorillas or penguins or something on it. Something
organic -- now THAT is the biggest bullcrap label going these days,
huh? organic sugar IS STILL SUGAR!! -- and a bit lower in sugar than
some others. Maya only wanted a bite or two and was done.

Kinda related: I want to cringe every time there are messages that
"kids don't like vegetables" because it's just NOT TRUE. The message is
*everywhere* and even the most well-intentioned people try to convince
us it's an issue.

My baby love love loves kale, collards, brown rice, whole grain
everything, molasses as her sweetener of choice, etc. etc. And,
thankfully, she's had a few experiences where she's with a really
picky-eater friend and Maya hasn't swayed from what she likes. But,
wowsa, once the real peer pressure starts it's gonna be hard!


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Money talks. "PJ" <[email]> blogs this:

When Miz Alnatchral, an acquaintence from years ago, employed natural
childbirthing techniques to squeeze out her very first cribmonkey,
she and Mr. Alnatchral were determined that *their* children would be
raised right, and fed only wholesome, nutritious foods.

No sugar!  was the word in the Alnatchral household.

Little Daisy Alnatchral was given sugar-free vitamins, fresh fruit to
top her whole grain pancakes, and when she went to stay with Gammy,
Gammy was handed a pouch of carob pops for Little Daisy's treats.

NO SUGAR, Gammy was sternly told.

Didn't take little Daisy -- now in her terrible twos -- long to find
Gammy's stash and after that, there was no way she settled for the
sugarless living, even at home.  She made life such a living hell
that the Alnatchrals gave in.

A few years, and several sprogs later, I visited the Alnatchrals,
'round Easter time.  The kitchen table was heaped with baskets
overflowing with chocolate bunnies, Peeps<tm>, Jelly Bellys<tm>,
sugar-coated frosted Coco-bees, entire boxes of Andes mints, cookies
and the Alnatchral knee-biters were each clutching orange sodas as
they ran amock through the house, shredding Laffy Taffy<tm> as they
screamed at one another.

I swear that Daisy -- now a chunky 10 year old -- had a knowing smirk
on her face.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"gekko" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns9A54715AD2EDFcrinkles@217.68.187.32...

Oh go ahead. Stick needles in my already oozing winter wounds.

~ ~ ~
PJ


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
On 2008-03-01 16:51:12 -0500, gekko <[email]> said:

I was going to mention the travel prep but was afraid everyone would
then know about our affair.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Sylvia <[email]> wrote:

I expect they knew how to cobble up a pair of wearable boots back
then.  All that nasty hand-work, what a shame, now we have to pay
premium prices for anything hand made.  Individual pieces of
mechanical things hand made and hand fitted, what an absolutely
disgusting misuse of human life.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Money talks. "hush, puppy" <[email]> posts this:

You ever really look at the ingredient list on those things?  Most of
'em are pure sugar with some grains mixed in.  Oh, sure, the sugar
masquerades as other things -- fructose, honey, malitol, sorbitol --
but it's sugar.  And fruit!  Dried fruit has a very high
concentration of sugar, making it a rather unhealthy snack if you're
fretting over sugary things.

Have Mrs. puppy make her own granola so she can limit the sugar and
get your porky potbelly all flat and smooth.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"gekko" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns9A545CDACE7AEcrinkles@217.68.187.32...

Damn, you sure write good. You just made me laugh, girly.

~ ~ ~
PJ


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"hush, puppy" <[email]> wrote:

      <UNsnip!>
.
.
.

"ATFQ", innit.

<...>
.
.
.
.
      </UNsnip!>
.

Peeps still do:   http://tinyurl.com/2ocbqd  So, why ain't you, with yer
Luddite-esque whinin',  wearin'  pre-Industrial Revolution method-made
shoooze?

LIAR!  LIAR!  LIAR! Mr & Mrs Jass have always done beeeyoutiful
handwork! I pick out the leather meself, and Mr. Jass measured both me
feets all sorts of ways to make a last, so me boots are always wot I
want and they never need a break-in period.

Ahem... that's Pablo Jass, the bestest traditional bootmaker around.
Lampasas, TX. I highly recommend this product or service.

Nonsense. You can top dollar for poor quality handmade stuff as well.

So, back to the point, which is:  why are ya surprised that ya draw
[WHAP!]s when ya whine about otter peeps not livin' up to the standards
that ya don't meet yerself?

      <blink!>

You wear *mechanical* shoooze?

Hmmm... a life spent makin' "hand made and hand fitted" "mechanical
things". Certainly wouldn't be yer run-of-the-mill life.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
gekko <[email]> wrote:

Now don't you go making false assumptions about my belly, cause I know
you just hate being wrong.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
On 2008-03-01 11:35:19 -0500, "PJ" <[email]> said:

<...>

Deeto.

Gekko, you say you're not a professional writer. Or, you're not a
writer. Or something like that. You said it so brilliantly a few months
ago, wish I could quote it.

Anyway, I'm consistently impressed with your writing skills. Talent.

Do you aspire to be a professional writer? Or, are you content doing
whatever it is you do professionally? (programmer or something?
scientist of some sort?)


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Sylvia <[email]> wrote:

Okay, I'm confused.  Why did I suspect I might have gotten his goat?
Because he keeps ranting on about something that seems irrelevant.  It
must seem relevant to him, but I don't see it.

Here's the thing.  Sure, the Industrial Revolution did a lot of good
stuff.  No argument about that part of it.  I have lots of stuff I
wouldn't have had otherwise.

But here's the rub.  Nowadays the world is organized around all the
post-industrial-revolution stuff.  Huge (well they seem huge to me)
monthly bills are almost impossible to avoid.  To pay them you pretty
much have to plug in.  Which is okay for most people, but not for
everybody.

Suppose a guy wants to do the highest quality hand work.  He's
competing with the machine.  Plugging in takes away all your time, and
it isn't clear that you get back much except the ability to give more
time.

Everybody wants to retire, to get out of the rat-race.  The whole deal
is a stress machine.

Sorry Sylvia, I don't do hidden links, too much malware out there.

The old ones ain't worn out yet.

This is true.

Silas Marner would ESAD in our world.  Maybe that's a good thing, but
I don't think so.  Overall we probably have more choices about things
and fewer choices about how we live.  Depends on what you think is
important.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
It's a serenebabe <[email]> thing, innit, where
news:47c9c7e4$0$7029$[email], posted to misc.writing,
reveals:

I've sold my writing, but it's a hell of a lot of work, if you ask me.

Much easier to herd cats.  So that's what I do.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"hush, puppy" <[email]> wrote:

.
.
.
.

Obviously.

Is there an echo in here?

      <amused>

Telling you yer a spoiled brat is "ranting"?

It's most amusin', actually.

'Course ya do, ya just keep dodgin' it. See where I asked:

   "So, back to the point, which is:  why are ya surprised that
     ya draw [WHAP!]s when ya whine about otter peeps not
     livin' up to the standards that ya don't meet yerself?"

Right down there  v   , where ya ignored it.

      <snip diversion>

Use a Mac.

.

Weasel. That's not what I asked.

<...>
<...>

      <snip diversion>


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
gekko <[email]> wrote:

How'm I gonna read your novel if you waste your time babysitting a
bunch of nerdy geeks?


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
Sylvia <[email]> wrote:

So shoot me already.

It could be a hallucination, would you know?

Seems to me if he wasn't ranting he'd be able to come more to a useful
point instead of just trying to spank me into being something that
lets him be comfortable.  He has his set of complaints about the
world, I have my set of complaints, it's okay for him to air his but
it ain't okay for me to air mine?  That just ain't entirely right
somehow.  Now the next time he starts whining about how the US is a
big bully slapping Iraq around or whatever, I could call him a
juvenile spoiled brat, but that would just be rude.

So email me one.  I'd like the macbook pro, the one with the
backlighted keyboard, please... and don't forget the 12volt converter,
we do DC here.  Otherwise you'll need to wait for me to come up with
one some other way.  Odds are there's some waiting in your future.

Okay, I'll dig more to the grit then.  Soon's I get back from havin' a
smoke.  Ah, that's better.  Now, it seems to me that the answer is
that I didn't have time to hunt up a cobbler because I was busy doin'
all my obligations, so I went to a store and bought some shooz.

Sometimes diversions are the important part, trick is to recognize
when.


subject: Re: Aghast in Chickpea

text:
"hush, puppy" <[email]> let the dogs out in
news:[email]:

The nerdy geeks don't need any minding.  It's the other managers I'm
herding, luv.  And only one of them is nerdy.


author: Gosia

subject: Am I eligible to file for RRP?

text:
Hello,

I live in Seattle, WA - landed in Vancouver, BC about 1.5 months ago.
I would normally like to settle down in Vancouver however:

I have bad allergies that give me flus, respiratory infections and
asthma. My doctor here in Seattle (whom I trust and who was treating
me for the past year) - recommended that I take immune shots to become
desensitized to allergens in my surrounding area.

He says that is not advisable for me to complete my move now - because
it would create stress and therefore could exacerbate my overall
health condition. It is also better to do the initial therapy with one
doctor instead of going to several and learning about the candian
medical system. He said also that 80% of the patients receiving the
immune therapy become very healthy within 1 - 1.5 years.

Given all of this - I would like to postpone my settling down in BC
for another year and apply for a returning resident permit. I think
from a reasonable standpoint - they should grant the RRP for me. At
least if Canada treats its immigrants respectfully.

Can you confirm this?

Once I get my RRP I would like to visit Canada especially once I start
getting better. Is that okay for me to visit Canada on RRP - or should
I apply for some tourist visa to be able to do so?

I would be obliged for help!

Thanks!


author: Andrew Miller

subject: Re: Am I eligible to file for RRP?

text:
RRP can only be granted to those PR who established their permanent residency
in Canada and will maintain substantial ties to Canada during absence. Looks
like you only formally landed in Canada just to activate your PR status and
returned to Seattle where you live and work. In such case RRP application will
be refused. Doctors in Canada can treat your allergy as well as American ones,
so your reason for RRP will not be taken seriously.


author: Brandon Davies

subject: Re: Am I eligible to file for RRP?

text:
hi andrew,
the rrp form asks "what connection will be/have been maintained with canada
during your absence", what are some of the valid "connection"?
thanks.
brandon

"Andrew Miller" <[email]> wrote in message
news:d6CS6.21160$[email]...
residency
Looks
and
will
ones,


subject: Re: Am I eligible to file for RRP?

text:
If person has established residency in Canada then certain ties are being
created - residence (home or apartment and everything what is associated with
it like phone, cable and other utilities accounts), employment, family (spouse
and children if any living also in Canada), social and economic ties
(memberships, bank and investment accounts, tax returns), etc.

When PR is leaving Canada temporary with the intention of returning after even
prolonged absence those ties are not being severed and are maintained - and
this is what RRP application asks for. Of course person who only "landed" to
activate PR status and shortly after left Canada without establishing residency
and any of the above will be refused RRP as law prohibits issuing of such to
person who didn't establish his or her permanent residency in Canada in the
first place.


author: ~Tony~

subject: Re: unmarked/mismarked police cars

text:
On Sat, 3 May 2003 10:13:13 -0500, "richard" <[email]> wrote:

Since you are so fond of TV shows for your sources of info, I'll
address this in a fashion that might make sense to you.

Ever watch "COPS"? That's what they have "stop sticks" for.

When the guns are in your face, the dogs are aching to tear your arms
off, and when you are being thrown to the ground to be handcuffed, it
might dawn on you that this guy WAS a real police officer.

If the car is plain in nature, the chances are that he might not be in
uniform either.....this however does not negate the scope of his
authority in pulling you over.

Cops down here like "bush bonders". Leaving the vehicle makes the run
to catch you and throw you down on the ground, and slapping the cuffs
on you....all the more fun. It's too bad when you scrape your face on
the pavement. It's a shame when you are bruised for a week by the
clubs for disobeying an officer's request.

You're back to THIS again?

No need to respond.....

This one's been refuted three times aready......

TRY IT Bullis!!!

You'll be refused, and if you spout off your mouth, you'll tell it to
the judge.

~Tony~


author: Truckinsp

subject: Re: unmarked/mismarked police cars

text:
Tony, this guy is just "cop baiting".....he hasn't the balls to do this stuff
on the street so he spews his great bravery here.....

He obviously hasn't been working much lately.....wonder if his "company" put
him on suspension.....probably for lying to them.....Gardner is probably trying
to clean up their act and get out of the "conditional" rating, and they
probably can't do it with people like Stoopid hanging around.....

Here is a person who starts every post as obnoxiously as possible....can you
even imagine having HIM for an employee???

He's so pathetic that the only attention he can get is negative.....yet he
needs attention so bad that he just keeps it up....best thing to do is killfile
him and don't give him what he craves.....or only answer those posts where he
could lead a newbie astray.....I made a BIG mistake by taking him off my
killfile to see what he was saying about OHP.....don't think I'll do that
again....


author: Meat-->Plow

subject: Re: unmarked/mismarked police cars

text:
On 03 May 2003 22:48:04 GMT, [email] (Truckinsp)wrote:

Well said. Bullis is maybe 5'10 and 150 lbs. The only place he can be brave is
hiding behind a monitor. He would never say the things he does in person. I
would have no problem calling him a St00pid pervert to his face any time he's in
NE OH. Be happy to meet him.


subject: Re: unmarked/mismarked police cars

text:
On 03 May 2003 22:48:04 GMT, [email] (Truckinsp) wrote:

You're right. I've about had all I can stand anyway.

I'm letting it go for awhile......

~Tony~


subject: Re: unmarked/mismarked police cars

text:
On Sun, 04 May 2003 02:38:53 -0400, ~Tony~ <[email]>wrote:

Reading Bullis is like watching a building burn. Or like watching a train wreck.


author: Brian Elfert

subject: Got my Turbotax rebate in 4 weeks!

text:
I signed up for my Turbotax rebate online 4 weeks ago and the money was
deposited in my account today!  Four weeks for a rebate is pretty good.

The money was electronically deposited in my account.

You still have to print out a page and mail it along with UPC and receipts
to the rebate center.  This rebate is handled by Paraggo on behalf of
Intuit.

Brian Elfert


author: The Real Bev

subject: Re: Got my Turbotax rebate in 4 weeks!

text:
Perth wrote:

Paid top dollar, did you?  I think Costco has TT Deluxe plus the state
version for $25+tax.


author: Bill

subject: Re: Got my Turbotax rebate in 4 weeks!

text:
The Real Bev wrote:

He didn't say that he bought the base program from Intuit. The
post he replied to was talking about the state program and
that's free after rebate no matter where you buy it from. Of
course, I prefer to buy a boxed version so I don't have to save
the download, given that it's the same price.

Bill


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Got my Turbotax rebate in 4 weeks!

text:
Brian Elfert wrote:
was
good.
receipts

How did you get your order number so you could apply for the online
rebate? I downloaded TT state but never received an order number. Tried
to get my order number through the shopintuit website but the request
always times out before a reply is received.
Dale Eisman


subject: Re: Got my Turbotax rebate in 4 weeks!

text:
helena wrote:

I did my Turbotax rebates via mail-in and had them back in a
month. Online with Staples couldn't have been that much faster
(and based on my experience it's more reliable).

Costco will have TT Deluxe for $14.99 after a $10 coupon and the
$10 rebate in a week or who. Check the coupon book you should
have gotten in the mail.

Bill


subject: Re: Got my Turbotax rebate in 4 weeks!

text:
helena wrote:

Anybody here need the $40 in days rather than the month or so that
Intuit takes?  <sigh> This explains why the payday-loan people are
thriving.


author: helena

subject: Re: Got my Turbotax rebate in 4 weeks!

text:
The Real Bev wrote:
the
for free
Good info-but Costco's rebate will prob take a lot longer since you
can't submit the rebates online, like you can do at staples.


subject: Re: Got my Turbotax rebate in 4 weeks!

text:
Brian Elfert wrote:
the
for free
anything.

Great to hear about how submitting your rebates online worked for you.
I heard that Staples had started doing that and I think it's a great
idea-much easier for us.

Also they have a Tax Center setup on thier website, which makes things
easier to navigate and has some useful tips on being prepared for tax
season-for those interested:
http://www.staples.com/products/spotlights/marketing/tax_05/


author: Robert Morrisette

subject: Re: Got my Turbotax rebate in 4 weeks!

text:
I bought TT at Staples online and did not have to mail anything for the
rebates. Premier TT was $50 after $20 rebate. Also received rebates for free
TT state and free Quicken. Better deal than ordering from Intuit.

Bob M

"Brian Elfert" <[email]> wrote in message
news:41db2679$0$45224$[email]...


subject: Re: Got my Turbotax rebate in 4 weeks!

text:
[email] wrote:

Didn't you get an email receipt when you made the purchase? I
would expect it would be there. If there's really no way to get
it from the website (or at least that you've been able to), then
look for a phone number for shopintuit.com. You may need to look
on your credit card, in theory the number should be listed with
the transaction.

Next time just buy a boxed version in the store (or from Amazon,
no sales tax). It's not like you save any money buying from
Intuit, and you get a CD in case you need to reinstall.

Bill


subject: Re: Got my Turbotax rebate in 4 weeks!

text:
Robert Morrisette wrote:

Everything is better than ordering from Intuit, which seems really
stupid of them.  Perhaps they don't want to undercut their vendors,
though...  Staples has TT Deluxe for $29 after on-line rebate
(free-after rebate State software and some other crap too) and Costco
has it for $25 after mail-in rebates -- presumably you get the other
crap free too.


subject: Re: Got my Turbotax rebate in 4 weeks!

text:
"Robert Morrisette" <[email]> writes:

I looked around for Turbo Tax with no rebates but couldn't find anything.
I never thought to look at Staples Online.  We don't have any Staples
stores around here.

Brian Elfert


author: luna

subject: baby constipation  Help!

text:
Does anyone have any safe home remedies?  My DS is 7 weeks old and has had
problems with constipation for 1 1/2 wks.  We took him to the doc after a
couple days and the doc suggested watering down his formula a bit and baby
suppositories (one a day).  His regular doc was unavailable so he had to see
a PA.  The suppositories do produce a BM but he still can't go on his own.
We saw his regular doc on Thurs and she suggested watering down the formula
even more (4 parts formula to 1 part water).  He is eating plenty and
gaining weight at a very healthy pace so she is not concerned with
temporarily thinning the formula down.  She also suggested giving him light
Karo syrup mixed with water.  He still is having a really hard time going on
his own.  When he does go, it's nothing more than a few hard pebbles.  He'll
be going in for his 2 month check up in 10 days.  Any suggestions until
then?  I hate to see him this uncomfortable:(

FYI- I cannot breastfeed due to nutritional health problems that I have.

Thanks!


author: Sophie

subject: Re: baby constipation  Help!

text:
"luna" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
see
formula
light
on
He'll

Give him an ounce of prune juice , in a bottle, by itself.  He'll go in no
time and be just fine.


author: Elana Person

subject: Re: baby constipation  Help!

text:
I have to agree with Sophie, although my DS#2 didn't have constipation until
he was older and on solids, my niece was in the same boat as you and her
doctor suggested that she be given a small amount of prune juice as well.
This seemed a little young to me at first, but it was the only thing that
helped her and she is perfectly fine now (as long as she eats her vevggies!)

HTH,
Elana
Mom to Timmy 1/5/01 and Sam 8/28/02
EDD 5/15/05

"Sophie" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
had
a
baby
own.
going


author: nmd

subject: LC 2/160 $495

text:
Hi,

 Great computer, comes with everything.

 $495 no kbd
 $549 w/kbd

 Call, or email me.

 Neil

 [email]
 (617) 464-2289


author: Brad Mittelstedt

subject: Re: LC 2/160 $495

text:
nmd ([email].) wrote:

:  Hi,

:  Great computer, comes with everything.

:  $495 no kbd
:  $549 w/kbd

So it is like a Pentium with a 1 gig SCSI hard drive and a 17 inch
monitor?

You said it comes with everything.

PS.  That must be a hell of a keyboard for $54.


author: KVL

subject: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
Paying off large credit card debts can be a treacherous experience, if
you let it be that way. Especially, if you have four or more payments
to make every month. I had eight payments to make every month. Rather
than going through any kind added stress of negotiating with any of the
creditors, I simply accepted that I had gotten myself into the credit
debt mess and I was the only the one who was going to get myself out.
It was close to $14,000.00 in credit card debts alone. Plus I had my
regular living
expenses to meet also. My total debt was about half of my yearly net
income. And yes, most of my debt came from me being very foolish as a
young adult. Part of it came from having to cover emergencies that
would have been easier to cover, if I hadn't been foolish in the first
place.

Find out all about the easy to follow FIVE activities, that will set
you free from that credit card habit way before the debts are even
gone. Then impliment a course of actions and attitudes to pay off those
debts. It's all in Use Cash To Buy It! It worked for me, and it can
work for you.
VISIT: www.usecashtobuyit.com or www.authorsbookshop.com

It took me about 4 years to pay off the whole entire debt, on my own. I
did a lot of very FRUGAL living during that time too. I learned some
valuable lessons about the real costs of items.... Comparing what I
"NEEDED" to what I "WANTED" There is a big difference, only when it
comes to the COST.

Tragedy did pave my way -three times during my payment plan. How did I
make it through, without using credit? Read, Use Cash To Buy It!©
2005.

A GOOD attitude has a lot to do with what people can get through in
their lives, even large debts.

For those of us who grew up in the mid 70's to the late 80's - The
"ME" generation, we were really messed up by that. Who cares if we go
into debt and suffer more mental and physical problems, as long as we
look like we are Okay on the outside. We can't blame anything or anyone
for the consequences we are suffering as a whole, except for ourselves.

I made a vow to myself, not to live this way anymore, during my days of
paying of the debt, and after. Thanks to my husband, who was my
boyfriend back then, I don't know if I would ever seen the light. I
wanted the easy way out and found out there was NO SUCH THING. No quick
fixes, no quick easy money making schemes will help a situation of
credit card debt, I can tell you that first hand!

For anyone in the midst of the stress that debt causes, I know it's
almost impossible to "see the end of the tunnel". But it is really
there, I promise.

KAROLINA V. LINARES
author of
USE CASH TO BUY IT ©2005
http://www.usecashtobuyit.com
http://www.authorsbookshop.com

******soon available in E-Book format******


author: frugalOne

subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
I especially liked this part on the website to buy the book:

"Use Cash To Buy It!
accepts these forms of electronic payments
thru PayPal's secure site.
Make this your last purchase
using a credit card."

:)

In fairness, they also accepted money orders.


subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
Hello All,
I'd to interject one last thing about "Use Cash To Buy It!" I do have
to accept various forms of payment through PayPal as my service of
choice. It's really the only way online sales are conducted. There is
no-way to get around that, in most cases.
It's my firm belief that a person, in debt should stop using credit
cards and start using one debit account for limited spendings needs.
Even though they are in debt, they can't stop being a consumer.

Karolina V. Linares


subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
I hope you looked for it in your local library... because as the author
of the book, I can tell you right now, I haven't sold any copies to
public library systems yet. Hopefully I'll get to that point soon. If a
library system buys books from me, to loan out for free, I think that
would be great. I, myself, checked out countless books from the
library, I still do. I support the public library to the hilt. My
mother has been a library employee for almost 20 years. But I also
bought and buy the books that really helped me and continue to help me,
if not for any other reason than to support an author, who worked hard
to get a message out to the public.
Besides a person who "feels" they are broke... are only that way
because they are allowing themselves to live in that state of mind and
they are letting finances control them in a distructive way. In order
to not be "broke" or "in the hole" (as I was) I had to change my
attitude and many people can't realize how to do this, so that is why I
wrote "Use Cash To Buy It!"(c). It really has a message to help the
change the misguided young adult culture about credit in USA. We can't
close our eyes to the fact that millions of people put themselves into
debt, due to their own misguided mistakes. It could be remedied and
possibly even stopped in our culture.

Karolina V. Linares


subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
There is tons of free information out there to help people if they
search hard enough,
but when I was in major credit card debt, I did buy a few good books
and wore them out to the max!
Especially the The Complete TightWad Gazette. I invested my small $20
plus tax for it.
It helped me a great deal. The author of that book, as well as other
authors who write books to help people, need to earn a living somehow.

Karolina V. Linares


author: Andy

subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
KVL wrote:

If your motive was to help people, you would post your advice on a free
website.  But instead you are selling your advice in a book, which
means you are trying  to help yourself by selling stuff to people who
can least afford it. Nice.

Andy


author: FACE

subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
On 23 May 2006 04:34:31 -0700, in misc.consumers.frugal-living "KVL"
<[email]>, in glistered weave writ large for all to see:

You are not here to actually discuss, are you?

FACE


subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
What is it that you would like to discuss? If I am spamming then my
message should not have been allowed to be posted.
This is afterall a non-moderated group.
I am really looking for people (especially young adults) who are in
trouble with credit card debt, to help them the same way I was helped,
basically all on my own! Yes I am selling a book, but nothing else.

KAROLINA V. LINARES
author of


subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
You don't have to report me to anyone, basically because I found this
group with several different messages about getting out of consumer
credit card debt and my intentions in no way are to harm anyone. Not
only that, but it is a public group. I have not used it to send emails
to anyone.
Thanks
Karolina V. Linares

If my message to help young adults break the credit card habit-
disturbs you so much, I will kindly leave this group. No harm done.
Just ask.


subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
Dear Face,
You are right, credit card debt can become a problem for any age
person. But there is a major unfortunate trend with young adults, right
out of college, not being able to support themselves. It's too
ingrained into their minds that life would not be complete without a
lot of frivilous things, (that are great to have when you can pay for
them upfront) but easier and faster to get on credit. I learned many
hard lessons of my own with this way of life and want to help people
break free of it. I also learned a heck of a lot about becoming frugal
in order to pay off my large credit card debt, because there is no easy
way out. This is the truth that makes some people angry.

Thanks
Karolina V. Linares
http://www.usecashtobuyitcom


subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
On 25 May 2006 11:03:56 -0700, "KVL" <[email]> wrote:

What about supporting it by donating copies of your book to libraries?


author: AllEmailDeletedImmediately

subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
"Andy" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
KVL wrote:

If your motive was to help people, you would post your advice on a free
website.  But instead you are selling your advice in a book, which
means you are trying  to help yourself by selling stuff to people who
can least afford it. Nice.

which isn't really a problem.   but posting it here and then haughtily
claiming
"i can do it because it's not a moderated group".....


author: Ward Abbott

subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 08:56:46 -0400, FACE
<[email]> wrote:

Did YOU actually have to repost the spammers' web sites?


subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
KVL <[email]> wrote:

Hahahahahhahahaa.  Are all spammers this stupid?


subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
"KVL" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
What is it that you would like to discuss? If I am spamming then my
message should not have been allowed to be posted.
This is afterall a non-moderated group.
I am really looking for people (especially young adults) who are in
trouble with credit card debt, to help them the same way I was helped,
basically all on my own! Yes I am selling a book, but nothing else.

time to report her to her isp.


subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
Well thanks for the reply.  Was not i that said you were a spammer, I see
that no followups are set for your message and i was asking that to
determine for myself. :-)
I understand your looking for young people with credit card problems and
trying to sell your book.  My experience is that kids get a credit card,
consider it free money and max it out with no thought of the future and that
they may actually have to pay it back when they have nothing to show for it.
And these kids can be 18 or 50....

On 23 May 2006 08:21:31 -0700, in misc.consumers.frugal-living "KVL"
<[email]>, in glistered weave writ large for all to see:


author: Peanutjake

subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
If you really want to help people get out of debt, then post your
information FREE.
Stop trying to make money from people who are trouble already.

PJ

KVL <[email]> wrote in message
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subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
"KVL" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

you're selling something.   that's the problem.   now, if you wish to
provide a link for a FREE download.......


subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
I have done a lot of renting of rooms.  So obviously i deal with a lot of
"live for today" people.  I agree that the youngsters are the worst about
this.  One young couple got a dept store credit card and maxed it out *that
night* on various "stuff", none of which, i know from experience, they will
have when they still have a multi-thousand dollar bill.  At the other end of
the spectrum, was a retired guy, who got a credit card, maxed it out and
then was sitting here concerned that the company (Sears) was taking it out
of his bank account where he had direct deposit for his SS and SSI, so he
closed the account.  But it was his mindset that got me and i won't
forget.....  He told me that they were "stealing it".  I commented that
maybe they wanted the money back that they had loaned him on credit. He
looked at me with complete innocence and said:  "it's their fault anyway,
they gave me the card".

IMO, too many people look at credit cards in that juvenile way.
I wish you the best on your books, though an old canard comes to mind that
goes something like "those who heed the advice don't need it and those that
need the advice won't heed it."  I can imagine how far i would get telling
some 18 year old that they really don't *need* that iPod unless they have
the cash for it. Perhaps time has jaded me.

FACE

On 23 May 2006 09:43:07 -0700, in misc.consumers.frugal-living "KVL"
<[email]>, in glistered weave writ large for all to see:


subject: Re: Stop the Credit Card Craziness!

text:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 13:23:30 GMT, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Ward
Abbott <[email]>, in glistered weave writ large for all to see:

Yes.


subject: citizenship

text:
Hi ! I have a question about working visa ...is it true
that 6 months being in australia with working visa makes you able to
apply for citizenship???
thanks for your reply
cheers
Ali


subject: Re: citizenship

text:
ROFLMAO!!

Haven't heard that one before but it is a good un :p

Completely false I'm afraid, you currently need 2 years on a PR visa
which is probably going to increase to 3 years next year. Thats to say
you currently have to have been resident in Oz for 2 years before you
can apply for citizenship.


author: jeeva

subject: Re: citizenship

text:
That's rubbish.

For sometime I've been stiring the internet hoping to find any new news
on citizenship bill for my own application - due next year.


author: Pollyana

subject: Re: citizenship

text: Its a great one, you're right!! Don't we all wish it was that quick :)


subject: Re: citizenship

text:
Sure do! Been here almost 5 years and still not eligible :p I must be
one of the few people hoping for a rule change because then I'm eligible
in 2009 not 2010 :D


subject: Re: citizenship

text:
I arrived in 2003, Pros Marriage, Spouse visas, got PR in April this
year, so if goes to 3 years I am eligible in 2009. (unless we get the
rumoured allowance of temp residence on spouse visas in which case
it'll be 2008)


subject: Re: citizenship

text:
I'm glad there is someone else hoping for a change in the rules :D Maybe
we can go to Canberra and wave some banners around :p


author: JAJ

subject: Re: citizenship

text:
They're talking about a 2 year credit for temp residence, not 1 - so it
could be as soon as 2007.    But wait and see how it plays out.


author: Joe H

subject: APC and HD Question

text:
I don't go much of anywhere, so got a 50V500 HD LCD TV, and it has a
cooling fan in it, and when I turn it off, the fan runs untill it is cooled
down.
Question: Would it be wise to put a APC on it for lighting protection and
for the time to let it cool down if the power went out ?

I,ve got a APC 650 on the computer, I suppose I could put it on the TV, but
price's have come down on the APC's at at 'Sams', so I need some advise
here.
TIA


subject: Re: APC and HD Question

text:
The APC does not even claim to protect from a type of surge
that typically causes damage.  They claim to protect from a
type of surge that typically does not exist; then leave you to
make assumptions.

  The concepts for protection, used in virtually every high
tech facility such a telephone switching stations, 911
emergency response centers, cell phone towers, and commercial
broadcasters, is the same concept that Franklin used in 1752.
Lightning seeks earth ground.  If it finds a path to earth via
your TV, then plasma may cook.

  It gets even worse with the APC.  A surge protector does not
stop, block, or absorb surges.  It simply distributes the
surge to all other wires.  That simply means more destructive
paths through computer or TV.

  Protection is a building wide system.  One component common
to every protection system is not the protector.  Every
protection system is defined by its single point earth
ground.  Read about it in previous discussions:
"RJ-11 line protection?" on 31 Dec 2003 in pdx.computing  at
  http://tinyurl.com/2hl53
"Opinions on Surge Protectors?" on 7 Jul 2003 in the
newsgroup  alt.certification.a-plus   at
  http://tinyurl.com/l3m9
"Power Surge" on 29 Sept 2003 in the newsgroup
alt.comp.hardware at
  http://tinyurl.com/p1rk

  Notice what the APC avoids all discussion to sell their
grossly overpriced protector - earth ground.  And what does
that APC UPS do?  Connects TV or computer directly to AC mains
when not in battery backup mode.  Where is the protection?
Just more questions they hope no one asks.  Effective
protector should cost about $1 per protected appliance.  A
surge protector is only as effective as its earth ground -
which the APC does not provide.

Joe H wrote:


author: Jim Rusling

subject: Re: APC and HD Question

text:
"Joe H" <[email]> wrote:

I have most of my expensive electronics hooked up to UPS's.  I also
have a whole house surge protector.


author: Andrew H. Carter (Applied ROT 17 Left ; for Email do ROT 17 right

subject: Re: APC and HD Question

text:
On Thu, 6 May 2004 12:50:30 -0500, "Joe H" <[email]> wrote:

Well, that might depend upon how many times lightning strikes were to take
out your monitor.  The only thing(s) I don't have surged is my stereo, PC
to TV converter, and my all in one Lexmark X125 (printer, scanner, fax,
copier).  Now that doesn't meant I won't, I just have my priorities on my
PC.

Stereo bought at Big Lots for 		$99
Printer bought at Wal-Mart for 		$100-$200
PC to TV converter at Wall-Mart		$70-$90
PC bought from my brother		$400 (at least I think that was it)
Amount to replace the PC, prolly at least $700

Sharing the surge supresser is my CD Writer

If cost is no matter, then don't, but if the thought of having to
repair/replace it does, or if you don't want to fill a landfill with an
item that might have been prevented from going there, then do.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: APC and HD Question

text:
w_tom <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

You've been pushing the same issue for years it seems.  You're right.
A surge protector or a UPS bought at Best-Buy, Walmart or equivalent,
will not help if lightning strikes near the houses wires.  But the
industry likes the sheep of the masses where they are as it is just
fine: ignorant and ready to buy into whatever they think they'll
swallow.

This Earth Ground thing.  Can this 3rd pin on the outlet be helpful at
all?  It is ment to be "earth" or "ground" of sorts?  For instance, a
metal toaster that leaks electricity to the grounded metal cage, would
not cause an electric shock to someone touching the toaster.  The
circuit would see that there is a difference in electricity leaving
and returning, averaging a non-zero magnetic field and the circuit
breaker interrupts the power.  Obviously, this is for safety.  A
lightning strike would probably end up emitting high quantities of
electrons on all 3 wires, and the only escape is whatever electric
path it can find, eg, the computer, tv, any circuit board plugged in,
etc.
Would "Earth Ground" have to be a separate thick wire straight into
the ground with a low enough resistance (Ohm's) that keeps the
resulting voltage at the point you wish to protect low enough to
prevent damage?
So, how would I protect my computer?  Does the store sell thick enough
wire and would my basement have some sort of Ground, and are there any
UPS's with a real Ground hookup?


author: D. Wain Garrison

subject: Re: APC and HD Question

text:
I recently learned that the village where I live has a four wire code. Cost
me a bundle when I had to
change the existing gas kitchen stove to electricity because SWMBO did not
want to cook with gas.
Wain
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author: yazig

subject: cheap ECA stack?

text:
hi.  Years ago I used to make a really cheap ECA stack by buying the
individual ingredients and combining them in the proper ratios.  I am
pretty sure that as of 4-14-05 ephedrine is legal but more controlled
(expensive), so is anyone using ECA stack?  Is anyone making thier own?
and what is the cheapest way to buy it?
Thanks


author: Dally

subject: Re: cheap ECA stack?

text:
yazig wrote:

I buy 8 mg tablets from Canada.  It is easy to ramp up the dosage.  I
get generic caffeine tablets.  I don't bother with the aspirin anymore
since I stopped being a fat old lady.  (And aspirin doesn't seem
indicated anymore for just old ladies.  Funny how things go out of fashion.)

Dally


author: David Cohen

subject: Re: cheap ECA stack?

text:
JMW wrote:

Hmmm...I could see that with those individuals prone to ulcers. Seems
like there are those who ulcerate by looking at an aspirin tablet, and
those that can eat literally anything without a problem, and a spectrum
of individuals between. I've always been lucky being at the
cast-iron-stomach side of the spectrum.

He could be an old, fat, world class 275 pound powerlifting female, I
suppose.

Ah. The elite ones.

David


subject: Re: cheap ECA stack?

text:
EatMe wrote:

I don't know, although a google search or a medline search might
provide something.

I have the same effect as you. I don't need to be too regular, but I
get a bit "down" if I go too long without, even with taking or drinking
caffeine to prevent withdrawl headaches. But I think it may be due to
the tyrosine, or lack thereof. I use 25 mg ephedrine, 200 mg caffeine,
and 1000mg tyrosine. Tyrosine provides the precursor for lots of
stimulating neurotransmitters.

David


subject: Re: cheap ECA stack?

text:
On 6 Mar 2006 21:12:05 -0800, "yazig" <[email]> wrote:

Yes, No, No, Yes, Yes, and no.


author: John

subject: Re: cheap ECA stack?

text:
"yazig" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Ephedrine is now for asthma sufferers. You can still get it fairly easy. I
found it's best to buy the individual chemicals. E 25mg; C 200 mg; A 81
(baby aspirin) mg.


author: locker

subject: Re: cheap ECA stack?

text:
yazig wrote:
buying the
ratios.  I
anyone

Same answer as before. The stack works best when all three
ingredients are included.

locker


author: EatMe

subject: Re: cheap ECA stack?

text:
locker wrote:

Please cite your sources that indicate aspirin has any thermogenci
effects.  I'd really like to know.

Thanks,

Buttercup


subject: Re: cheap ECA stack?

text:
David have there been any studies done on the longterm effect of such a
stack as regards mood elevation and depression?  I've been on the stuff
mostly regularly for 6 years now and don't feel my best if I miss a
stack.


author: JMW

subject: Re: cheap ECA stack?

text:
"David Cohen" <[email]> wrote:

You have to look at cumulative effect.  Aspirin is a non-selective COX
inhibitor that tends to inhibit COX-1 more than COX-2.  Not good for
production of gastric mucosa.  Considering that the classic ECA stack
with the typical 325mg adult aspirin can be taken three times per day,
you're gradually depriving your innards of their protective interior
surfaces.


subject: Re: cheap ECA stack?

text:
locker wrote:
buying
legal
stack?  Is
it?

That answer was, 25mg ephedrine, 200mg caffeine and 325mg
aspirin. Don't take it too often because it will lose its
effectiveness. Bodybuilding.com has VasoPro for around $10 for
48 tabs with low, fast shipping. Order 3 bottles and save.


subject: Re: cheap ECA stack?

text:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:35:51 -0500, JMW <[email]> wrote:

I thought you lubed your ass Williams?


subject: Re: cheap ECA stack?

text:
"locker" <[email]> wrote

Aspirin does nothing for thermogenesis. It was found useful only in obese
old women. Are you an old fat lady, Locker? I thought so.

No, it doesn't. The thermogenic effect continues with continued use, while
the stimulant effect decreases.

Buy from numerous other sources and save far more.

0/3. You make <<joni>> proud.

David


subject: Re: cheap ECA stack?

text:
locker wrote:
buying
legal
stack?  Is
it?

Here's a link:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mp/vaso.html


subject: Re: cheap ECA stack?

text:
"David  Cohen" <[email]> wrote:

Consistent use is great for gastric ulceration, though.

He told Hobman that he's a world-class 275-pound powerlifting

You seem to forget, David, that "locker" gets all his wisdom from the
rocket scientists at bodybuilding.com.


author: Dr Tormento

subject: amazing option exercise failure

text:
I've been trading options for 28 years and have never seen anything like
this. Last Friday at the close I was long 200 NTRI and short 2 Sept 20
calls. The closing price was 22.48, nearly $250 in the money. Only ONE
contract was exercised. I'm sitting here scratching my head trying to
figure out how that happened. Maybe the contract was in an IRA with
insufficient cash. I dunno, but it's mighty, mighty strange. Today I cashed
in at 21.62, a $162 windfall.


subject: Re: amazing option exercise failure

text:
Friday was a momentous "get shorty" day and "screw the puts".  Talk about
max pain for those betting on a down market.  See what happens when you
trade with the sheep and lemmings?

Vito

"Dr Tormento" <[email]> wrote in message
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subject: Re: amazing option exercise failure

text:
"Uncle_vito" <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

   What are you talking about? This was a call option.


author: LibtardFilth

subject: Re: Up to HALF in U.S. have pre-existing conditions..which mean half of the Country WANTS Obamacare

text:
"Straw Man" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
<snip>

Why did libtards kill "Medicare Advantage"?  Oh that's right, they are the
problem not the solution.


author: Jeff M

subject:
Re: Up to HALF in U.S. have pre-existing conditions..which mean half
 of the Country WANTS Obamacare

text:
On 1/19/2011 5:09 AM, LibtardFilth wrote:

Because it made no sense to pay a premium to a private HMO to manage
Medicare patient accounts at a greater cost to taxpayers than it costs
to have the Medicare administration manage them itself?


text:
"LibtardFilth"  wrote in message
news:[email]...

"Straw Man" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
<snip>

Why did libtards kill "Medicare Advantage"?  Oh that's right, they are the
problem not the solution.

=======================
Sid sez:

"Medicare Advantage"??
The Insurance company gravy train that Republican bush,jr put in place?
Time to end the Republican raid on the treasury
=======================


author: Scout

text:
"Jeff M" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Sure it does, because the overall costs of the HMO are lower.

Assuming the care is the same, the only difference would be in
administrative costs.

Sadly Medicare has higher administrative costs on a per person basis

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2009/06/Medicare-Administrative-Costs-Are-Higher-Not-Lower-Than-for-Private-Insurance

And let's not forget the fraud

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/23/60minutes/main5414390.shtml

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22184921/

So one has to wonder if Medicare would actually save any money.