author: Otto Yamamoto

text:
Um .Yeah. I first copped to this on my mobile via Google Groups-I looked at
the first six lines, and saw the two 'Invocations', which pretty well
informed me of the tone of this thing.

Invocation 1: 'Even more egregious will be the directives to a nationalized
Detroit.'
Yeah, right. Krauthammer is using people's flimsy notion of the concept in
this country to generate unease. 'Nationalisation' of Detroit would mean
the United States Government would sieze, by force or other means the
physical plant and assets of GM, Chrysler and Ford, and declare it
Government property. That's a damn sight different than giving the big 3 a
$25bn bailout they are *asking for*. Krauthammer is either displaying
ignorance, or hopes people don't notice the following. No one in government
has suggested outright nationalisation of anything; and if you are indeed
going to nationalise auto manufacturing in this country, why would you
leave Toyota, Nissan and Mercedes-Benz out of it?

Invocation 2: Good old Chuck Shumer, who the 'conservatives' foam just a
little bit less over than Brand Clinton. Last I checked, Charles
Krauthammer was a propagandist for the fascist element, and not much of an
auto engineer himself. Krauthammer is indignant that Shumer should deign to
impose any conditions on the handout to the big 3. I suppose the money
should be just handed over, the Big 3 continue business as usual, until the
cash runs out, and then what? He mentions Detroit's obviously wrong-handed
approach to the Volt; but doesn't bother to specify any alternative. He
*does* manage to tie in Schumer with 'Soviet Union'; which is the upshot of
the whole article, anyway, really. Democrats=Commies, and they're gonna
turn America into Russia II.

So there ya go. It's just a whole lot of gussied up hand wringing and
fear-mongering from 'the Party of Ideas'. I'll wager Krauthammer and his
ilk pray daily to raise Ronald Reagan from the dead. If only Ronnie were
here, it'd all be better.

Personally, If I were running the show, I'd tell Detroit(and the banks, for
that matter): 'Sorry old chum, you fail at Capitalism. Better luck next
time'. Why should we have to pay for their lack of foresight? If you have a
poor business model in a Capitalist economic system, isn't it *supposed* to
fail? Sucks to be them. Cut out the deadwood and replace them with people
willing actually innovate and compete.


author: Premier Bush

subject: Re: Wash. Post columnist--politics and the economy, auto industry

text:
tin cup wrote:

Uh, the Volt has a gasoline engine that charges the batteries.  The engine
only runs when the batteries are low.  The idea of the Volt is a plug in car
that can also be driven on long trips.  You'll have unlimited range as long
as there is gas in the tank.


author: Rick Ratchford

subject: FREE Newsletter

text:
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http://www.profitmaxtrading.com/subscribe.html

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author: UMT

subject: Re: FREE Newsletter/Are You Nuts?

text:
Sign up for this 'newsletter' and you'll get exactly the same crap you
see 'published' on the forums PLUS endless, I mean ENDLESS sales
pitches to buy the course, the software, the seminar, blah, blah,
blah...   If you don't buy anything, your email address is sold to
Russian Mafia Spammers.

I wouldn't if I were you.


subject: Re: FREE Newsletter/No Credibility

text:
Yeah, right.   A testimonial from "Mr. Credibility"

Newbies Beware!

UMT


subject: Re: FREE Newsletter/"sweet!"

text:
"UMT" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Or, perhaps you'll get some really good FREE information and be as happy as
our client/members who write us such glowing emails such as this one that
came in this afternoon. Name and turn date have been removed.

=======================

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author: googled

subject: Re: FREE Newsletter/"sweet!"

text:
"Rick Ratchford" <[email]> wrote in message
news:K8Fqf.30346$QW2.1523@dukeread08...
as
make
so

Ratchford is still using his multiple personalities/sock puppets to write
self endorsements. Nothing but worthless nonsense while trolling the group
for suckers.


author: George Plimpton

subject: Re: "Fact:  the Bush tax cuts made no "transfer"

text:
On 12/11/2011 10:55 PM, [email] wrote:

No one I have called illiterate is whipping me.


author: [redacted]

text:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:26:09 -0800, George Plimpton <[email]>
wrote:

You are one crazy dumbass, you know that?


text:
On 12/12/2011 9:07 AM, [email] wrote:

You're wrong.  You probably don't know that, but you are.


author: L'eau Prosper Research

subject: Research Article on Market Manipulation - Released By L'eau Prosper Research

text:
Over the years, L'eau Prosper Research (Website: http://www.leauprosper.com)
had conducted extensive research and database analysis on large pool
of market data of world's actively traded futures, commodities and
financial instruments, with years of data down to minute and tick time
interval.

Using the present technologies, we transformed those market data into
a clean and purest form. Then, we sort out those data according to our
programmed database management algorithm. Why we are doing this? We
would like to gather the valuable statistical information that we can
conduct further analysis on market behavior, market profiling and its
broad market relationship.

Well, is this sort of like Tape Reading? Yes, but it is more than
that. Using current advanced computer technologies and theories
presented by many gurus, we are able to perform deep analysis,
testing, simulation and database application. So, it just not just
merely a Tape Reading.

Although we are performing a tough task, not to mention the very large
pool of market data and computer resources that needed, we found many
priceless information and findings throughout our extensive research
and testing, especially on market behavior. One that worth to mention
is, Market Manipulative.

The terms 'Market Manipulation' or 'Market Manipulative' is not new to
most of the Serious Traders and investors, but to explain it in
details is not an easy task. And we will not get into details over
here. We suggest Serious Traders do some researches and books reading
on this topic. However, before that, we have few questions for Serious
Traders to think about:

What is Market by definition in your view?
Market is a nature force?
Market is a form of force presented by a small group of people namely
market makers, big players, professional traders and etc.?
Market is a big crowd of people, which are investors and Serious
Traders
who are trying to make a living from daily trading?

In a well-developed market, there must be at least one person or a
group of people that has a market manipulative desire; usually they
are so-called big market players, market players or market
manipulators. The stronger their desires are, their presence on the
market will be more frequent and more obvious. We strongly believe, we
can track their trading pattern, activities and their behavior, on
whatever things, tricks or traps they trying to do or did on the
market. It is just like anyone who walk into the forest, his walking
path can be tracked even his is invincible, as long as he stepped on
the ground while walking.

By looking at the analyzed and sorted research results, especially on
those actively traded financial instruments on day-trading basis such
as ES, NQ, DELL, MSFT and FOREX pairs, we able to conclude a number of
important findings:

1. On those instruments that actively traded thru day-trading or
intraday basis, the market will define a definite trend at least once
per day, 90 Percent of these occurred around 30 minutes to an hour
after the market opened.

2. If the trend that the market manipulators (or market players)
trying to define got beaten (or reversed) by another market force,
another trend will assume immediately until the market close. This
happen 70 Percent of the time 2-3 hours, after the market opened.

3. When a trend is started, normally in the morning, the trend will
pause or break for a few times throughout the trading day, to attract
other group of Serious Traders or market players to open opposite
trades and often, this is a trap.

4. Losing is unavoidable and is a part of the trading business. Even
Market manipulators have losing trades, consecutive losing trades.

5. To be a winner in this trading business, long-term availability of
trading capital plays an important role.

6. Dominant trading time frame does exist , and the trading activities
or behavior of market manipulators play a major influence on this
factor.

7. It is not necessary for market manipulators to trade a basket of
markets. For them, diversification is not necessary.

8. Market manipulative behavior behaves and reacts differently on
different time frames, even for one financial instrument. Thus, one
financial instrument will have different trading behavior for each
time frame. So, there are no trading systems that can work in all time
frames, even for one financial instrument.

9. The market manipulative behavior and the market manipulation
activities are totally different on daily, weekly and monthly trading,
as compared to intraday trading using tick and minute chart. Thus, one
has to consider this factor when creating an indicator, not to mention
the trading system. It is very hard to have an indicator that works
well across all trading timeframe.

10. Market Manipulators does not look at the same time frame over time
for one financial instrument, and they keep switching from time to
time. Different group of Market Manipulators will have different time
frames to look at and to trade with. All these confirmed our previous
findings that dominant time frame does exist for each financial
instrument.

For more information on Market Manipulation and related topics, please
kindly visit L'eau Prosper Research Web Site at http://www.leauprosper.com


author: Blash

subject:
Re: Research Article on Market Manipulation - Released By L'eau
 Prosper Research

text:
in article [email], L'eau
Prosper Research at [email] wrote on 7/2/07 5:14 AM:

.......and your point is????


author: BrunoR

subject:
Re: Research Article on Market Manipulation - Released By L'eau Prosper
 Research

text:
Blash wrote:

"OM TARE DUM TARE DU SO HA   OM AH RA PA TSA NA DHI   OM MANI BEH MEH
HUNG   OM ZAMBALA ZHO NEH ZHA YEH SO HA   OM AH HUNG BENZA SIDHI HUNG
OM BENZE SATO HUNG."

Didn't you get it, blash?  '-)


text:
BrunoR wrote on 7/29/07 1:17 PM:

Now that you phrase it that way, I can see his point.......


author: Jim

subject: FS: Diamond Stealth 3D 4000 4MB AGP, $25

text:
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author: David

subject: Sniping

text:
I think we should remind ourselves . . . why are we posting here? To snipe,
ridicule, form little cliques, have a laugh (haha haha). Or are we here to
exchange ideas, post information, assist and motivate new people? Is this a
comedy venue? Or a serious forum for those interested in weight training?
I think we should stick to the serious topics
i.e.
how to loose weight
how to tone up with least effort
how to develop long muscles

OK?? Makes sense??


author: Curt

subject: Re: Sniping

text:
David wrote:

(burp)

He's a character in those Harry Potter books, right?

DAVID, THIS IS THE STUPIDESTEST POST YOU'VE EVER WRITTEN!

Well, yes. At least that's what you posted over in the DCC Yahoo
group.

I don't get it. Then again I'm not much for jokes and such.

Uh, this is Usenet you're talking about, right?

You fool! You spelled Avenue wrong. And what the heck is a comedy
avenue anyway? Really, David, this is misc.fitness.weights. Where do
you come off asking about comedy? And avenues? It's not
misc.laughter.gps, is it?

Duh.

Agreed. But nothing about avenues or streets or roads or lanes.

(looks Joe Humble's way)

Never mind.

I could stand to loosen ten pounds from my waist.

I'm not sure I like your tone!

My calf attachments are actually above my kneecaps.

HA!

Drat. Schuh has me kf'ed but I'm certain he'd LOVE that joke. Maybe
Pete will read this post.

As much sense as anything else you post.

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm still bitter over the whole payraise issue. Please
excuse me, David.


subject: Re: Sniping

text:
"David" <[email]> wrote

Nice troll David!

Burr


subject: Re: Sniping

text:
David wrote:
[...]

Yes, THAT was a banner day. Bastard could have at least waited until I
took the hat off.


author: Lucas Buck

subject: Re: Sniping

text:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 04:11:20 +1000, "David" <[email]> wrote:

"Present!"

Abso-frakking-lutely.

Where ELSE could you find material of this quality?

(excluding the formal wear at the dollar store, anyway)

You misspelled "mussels".


author: Jason Earl

subject: Re: Sniping

text:
"David" <[email]> writes:

I still thought you were serious at this point, and I started to
prepare a serious response.  Then I read this next bit...

Comedy genius.

The best part was that I am so used to seeing people (not you
obviously) write "loose weight" that my eyes skipped right over it.  I
then read the next line and missed that it talked about "toning up"
for precisely the same reasons.  The bit about "long muscles" finally
made it through to my conscious mind and caused me to think back over
the first two lines.  The whole paragraph then exploded in my head in
some sort of atomic irony bomb.

Perfect sense!

Jason


subject: Re: Sniping

text:
"Curt" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

ha ha!

Yes . . .I've noticed . . . .

It was just a typo. You know, I originally was going to say  comedy
'street' - I was just being fancy when I said 'avenue' and then I had to
make that typo!

Fer christs sake!

It's the loose screw  we have to worry about

Nothing wrong with MY tone, pal!

Mean and below the belt

You've been bitter every since the janitor peed in your hat


subject: Re: Sniping

text:
"download.com" <[email]> wrote in message
news:jM19i.329550$[email]...
:-)!


subject: Re: Sniping

text:
"Curt" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

He did that!? (I never trusted him)


subject: Re: Sniping

text:
"Lucas Buck" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Lucas, I know you are trying to mussel in on my Humour award - don't you
think you got enough of these awards? Curt told me I had the inside track
this time


subject: Re: Sniping

text:
"Jason Earl" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Ha ha! Actually I borrowed the 'long muscle' concept from Tavington - (he
doesn't post much most of us think he is a troll)


author: termite

subject: Left Forearm injury

text:
Hi,
    Shud I still continue lifting weights or shud I rest? Tried to do some
bi-cep sets but couldn't load more weights. Any recommendation excercise
which is less painfull but the same time continue to pack up my arms?

Thanks


author: OmManiPadmeOmelet

subject: Re: Left Forearm injury

text:
In article <[email]>,
 "termite" <[email]> wrote:

First of all, what exactly did you do to it???


subject: Re: Left Forearm injury

text:
I'm right handed...so I guess my left arm izzit that strong especially my
grip. I guess i might have pulled my left forearm muscle while doing the
bi-cep curls.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
some
Nicholson


subject: Explain to me how Ameriquest can operate in different states?

text:
Hello,
Can anyone explain to me how Ameriquest mortgage can operate in so many
states? I recently got my loan officer's license in Texas. I was
curious to find out if i could provide a residential loan to a friend
of mine in California, but i was told that i could only practice this
in Texas only. My mortgage broker, whom i have to be sponsored with,
also told me the same thing. So how does a mortgage company like
Ameriquest able to practice in all 50 states? Thanks.


author: Bishoop

subject: Re: Explain to me how Ameriquest can operate in different states?

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Licensed agents in all 50 states?


text:
Licensed agents in their perspective states but ok to work for a
brokerage firm based in another state? Ameriquest is a California based
Mortgage brokerage company. The laws in Texas are different for the
mortgage brokers here. So what process did they get approval to operate
in Texas? By just having a licensed agent in Texas? Just curious. So if
one can find a loan officer in California who is licensed to offer Cali
residents loans, that loan officer can work under a Texas mortgage
brokerage firm? If that is the case, then i can get my friend to start
a mortgage brokerage firm here in Texas and offer loans nationwide as
long as we can licensed agents from that particular state.

Bishoop wrote:


text:
If the COMPANY has to be licensed in each state then is it just a
simple form to fill out ?

The expenses would be minimal as most loans are done through the phone
, email, and fax nowdays, at least the way we do it here.  No need to
actually open an office. By going national, it would expand our
customer base. Don't know if Ameriquest has an actual office in each
state, which i doubt, but they do quite a bit of business over the net.

My  initial thought was that the reasons why one could do loans
nationally was that maybe the mortgage brokers were using national
lenders(Bank of America, etc) which is in most states.  That's  what i
thought anyways.


author: doubter

text:
On 6 Sep 2005 13:10:47 -0700, [email] wrote:

Assuming the question isn't a troll.

The COMPANY has to be licensed in each state.  It then hires agents that
are licensed in the state they will work.

Your friend can become licensed in another state and then do business in
that state, however the potential business won't usually justify the
expenses involved.   Ameriquest is expecting enough business in the various
states to justify the expenses.

This is no different than some other businesses, such a insurance to name
but one.


author: mkm

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

It's not a simple form. It's a very complex form.

If you are really interested in doing it, go to every states department of
banking website and look for information on being a mortgage broker.

Here are two to start with
NY's http://www.banking.state.ny.us/iambb.htm

And CA's, look for California Finance Lenders
http://www.commerce.ca.gov/state/ttca/ttca_business_display.jsp?path=Permits+&+Licenses&childPath=License+Handbook


author: -FYIS-

subject: How is this different from Blago?

text:
Michael Riordan, who was president of the University of Chicago Hospitals in March
2005, when Michelle Obama was promoted to vice president for external affairs and had
her annual salary increased from $121,910 to $316,962.
Hospitals spokesman John Easton told the Tribune that Michelle Obama's salary is in
line with those of the 16 other vice presidents at the not-for-profit medical center.

Riordan told the Tribune that the promotion and salary increase had nothing to do with
Obama's husband becoming a U.S. senator.
"She was hired before Barack was Barack," Riordan said.

Yeah, but her 3X raise didn't.
Michelle Obama was promoted to vice president for external affairs in March 2005, two
months after her husband took office in the Senate. According to a tax return released
by the senator this week, the promotion nearly tripled her income from the hospitals
from $121,910 in 2004 to $316,962 in 2005.

How is this different from Blago?
DanlK
o "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."
- Daniel Patrick Moynihan


author: Duine

subject: Re: How is this different from Blago?

text:
It isn't except, she was smart enough not to be under surveillance.

Duine

"-FYIS-" <[email]> wrote in message
news:glsvh2$h53$[email]...


subject: Re: How is this different from Blago?

text:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:16:48 -0500, "-FYIS-" <[email]> wrote:

	He didn't tell them to give the money to his wife.  Big
difference.


author: marcodbeast

subject: Re: How is this different from Blago?

text:
-FYIS- wrote:

  Perhaps a better question might be, how is it similar?


author: Allan Smith

subject: Re: How is this different from Blago?

text:
FYIS,

Where's the quid pro quo that makes it in any way similar?

Allan


subject: Re: How is this different from Blago?

text:
"marcodbeast" <[email]> wrote in message news:[email]...

I'll wait for the comparable FBI and Federal prosecutor's investigation to answer that
question.

(If a 3X raise walks like a duck, smells like a duck, ...)

DanlK
o "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."
- Daniel Patrick Moynihan


author: Dave K

subject: Re: How is this different from Blago?

text:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:23:07 -0500, "Allan Smith"
<[email]> wrote:

  Neocons have learned that you don't have to be in possession of
evidence of wrongdoing.  All one has to do is say it is so.  The press
will carry it from there.


subject: Re: How is this different from Blago?

text:
"Allan Smith" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Nowhere, until there is an FBI investigation, wiretap recordings and a Federal
criminal prosecution.

DanlK
o "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."
- Daniel Patrick Moynihan


subject: Re: How is this different from Blago?

text:
FYIS,

The new salary isn't unresonable for the position. The old one was quite
low.

As for Blago, I'm still waiting to see if he will be charged with any crime.
Talking about qpq isn't illegal. They'll have to prove a commission.

Allan


subject: Re: How is this different from Blago?

text:
"Allan Smith" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Quite true, even in light of it being a 3X raise, especially with what UoCH got from
it, a record profit of $103,642,743 in 2005, the year Michelle was promoted.

CHICAGO, June 20 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- While 2008 Presidential candidate Barack
Obama assures voters that he is fighting to make healthcare more affordable, the
second of a series of investigative videos on Senator Obama, titled "The Audacity of
Health Care -- Health Care Debate," demonstrates he has done NOTHING to make it more
so. In fact, the explosive new video, which can be viewed at
http://www.obamatruth.org/, alerts voters that Senator Obama has benefited from the
University of Chicago Hospitals marking up their actual costs by 350 percent on the
uninsured. The most troubling examples of Obama losing his moral compass on the
healthcare issue are his wife, an employee of the hospital, receiving an increase in
her total compensation by almost $200,000 a year shortly after he was sworn in and
University of Chicago Hospitals executives providing Obama with over $100,000 in
campaign contributions over the past few years.

The video tells how Obama who once appeared on the website of the Service Employees
Union with the quote "hospitals terrorize the uninsured" has done nothing to stop his
hospital, The University of Chicago Hospitals from spending over $10 million on
collection fees over the past two years in an attempt to terrorize people, many who
are uninsured, into paying bills that have been marked up far beyond cost. This
healthcare terrorism continued unabated despite the hospital posting a record profit
of $103,642,743 in 2005, a record that they will shatter this year (2007).

DanlK
o "The very continuation by Democrats of Bush's policies will be grudging, if silent,
acknowledgment of how much he got right." . . . http://tinyurl.com/7bnuzf
o 'The Next (curent) President' . . . http://tinyurl.com/55hcxs
o 'We Blew It' . . . http://tinyurl.com/75fjq8


author: Hactar

subject: Re: Quicksilver 290/456

text:
In article <[email]>,
Greg Johnson  <[email]> wrote:

You and someone else are reading it simultaneously, and you're up to
those pages?

Quicksilver is a brand name you recognize of something small, and you need
290 or 456 of them?

Quicksilver is an online service and your password is "290/456"?

It's a very odd old-style phone number?


author: Bill Turlock

subject: Re: Quicksilver 290/456

text:
Hactar wrote:

Damn, we got some smart fuckers on AFC-A!!!

OK. I have both the hardcover & paperback editions of Qs. I'd
stopped reading the pb at pg 290 of 456 when I decided to give it
away. So, now I have a ratio to use to find where that is in the
hc.

I've done that with other books before, liking to read the hc,
(cuz it's got larger print)  fanned the pages on the hc,
thinking, hmmm it should be right... about... here...! Opened the
book and there I was, right where I'd left off. srsly

But, Eben, Mike and Greg came mighty close. If I'd not rememberd
by myself, this would for sure have made me figger it out.
Congrats, and thanks for playing!!!

Bill "(if I'd ever want to finish it)"  Turlock, the collective
mind of AFC-A can solve *anything*


author: David Friedman

subject: Re: Quicksilver 290/456

text:
In article <[email]>,
 Bill Turlock <"Bill Turlock "@sonnnic.invalid> wrote:

My paperback edition of Quicksilver has 927 pages.


author: Sano

subject: Re: Quicksilver 290/456

text:
Bill Turlock <"Bill Turlock "@sonnnic.invalid> wrote in
news:[email]:

Reminds me of something I larned in 7th or 8th grade. Opening a
dictionary in approx. the right spot in da alphabet to find a word. (now
you just need google-foo)


author: Greg Johnson

subject: Re: Quicksilver 290/456

text:
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:43:31 -0800, Bill Turlock <"Bill Turlock
"@sonnnic.invalid> wrote:

What, your paperback is only 456 pages? My trade paperback of it is
920-odd pages of small print - I'd like to know why yours is less.


subject: Re: Quicksilver 290/456

text:
Greg Johnson wrote:

Mine only has the one story. It's a ::mumbledy::-ology. My hc has
all of the (3), I think.


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author: GeekBoy

subject: Re: VFW Lodge Under Siege by Mexican Racists in Calif.

text:
"Moderate Mammal" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Sure would liek to hear more than a one sided report.
I am sure there is a reason no arrests were made.


author: Kitty

text:
"GeekBoy" <[email]> wrote in message
news:1121837264.d26ce40fdea2b1a6e42fce5167d6f787@teranews...

well.its "politically" incorrect to arrest mexican lawbreakers--otherwise we
would not have the scourge we do right now. They can pretty much do what
they want when they want............

course someday that will CHANGE drastically.....and I'll be there

Kitty


author: George Z. Bush

text:
"Kitty" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Howzabout we figure out a way to blame Clinton for it, even though we all know
that Dubya's in charge of the politically correct/incorrect department these
days!  Maybe the rubes in the sticks won't notice it.

George Z.


author: Bleeding Edge

text:
George Z. Bush wrote:

  You'd better figure out how to stop, or you'll go bald.


subject: Alls well in Tommyland

text:
This move to Windows 7 was nothing buty a hassle Email wise.

Finally did get Email"Windows Live" to work, but not with Mailwasher.

The way I was able to Get Mail Live to install was HP tech found the whole
file at Microsoft allowing me to install the dam thing without using the MS
installer.
HP did spent far and beyond help for me, where MS was bullshit.

Will not do Email without Mailwasher, guess I was not completly happy.

But to piss me off, the second account user was able to get Windows live to
work with Mailwasher, just to piss me off. I call things like that "the
Wally Curse", because I know somewhere in Cleaveland if Wally knew how
frustrating this whole thin has been, he'd be smiling ear to ear.

Well someone has a mass Outlook Express Mass license and was able to give me
a running version of Outlook too which I installed and was able to make work
with Mailwasher. The only task left is for Outlook to find my other
accounts.

All said and done, Microsoft has left a door wide open by introducing a new
OS with no built in Mail client for people to become more motivated in
looking at Apple. My advice to HP is find a way to construct Comps that are
able to use variety of OS's.

My bets are the King of the Hill in 5 years is going to take a huge fall.


author: Ouroboros Rex

subject: Re: Alls well in Tommyland

text:
On 6/22/2010 1:38 AM, TomAldrich@youcan'tgettherefromhere.com wrote:

   Odd.  I would never find out about this, because my only windows 7
machine is quarantined from the internet except through work's
enterprise antivirus protected network.


subject: Re: Alls well in Tommyland

text:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:38:45 GMT,
TomAldrich@youcan'tgettherefromhere.com wrote:

  Microsoft is pushing people to web accounts for e-mail.  This dot
net stuff, and the Web 2.0 is where they are driving us to.  They used
to provide an SMTP server with their server products, but even that is
dropped now.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Alls well in Tommyland

text:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:38:45 GMT,
TomAldrich@youcan'tgettherefromhere.com wrote:

	I was not to happy they drop there Calendar, but did find one
that's better.

	BTW, any luck with that space game?


author: Mark

subject: Re: Alls well in Tommyland

text:
On 2010-06-22 12:53:09 -0700, Dave K said:

I will NEVER own another personal Microsoft PC.


subject: Re: Alls well in Tommyland

text:
On 22-Jun-2010, Dave K <[email]> wrote:

The trend being push as much as you can so people do all their business off
line site, along with that Privacy going down the tube because you fall in
to rule of the host of your Email, and what stops them from reading it.


subject: Re: Alls well in Tommyland

text:
On 22-Jun-2010, Mark <[email]> wrote:

I would like to see Manufactures enlarge their OS base, is Apples OS only
available on Apple.


subject: Re: Alls well in Tommyland

text:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:31:02 GMT,
TomAldrich@youcan'tgettherefromhere.com wrote:

  Nothing.

  We get our e-mail from some service and it does not matter where
they are.  If you POP e-mail, you might delete it from the mail
server, but what about backups?  Maybe they backup before you POP.
They have it if a subpoena is issued.

  Posts to this newsgroup are archived  all over the place. Everything
you do here is public.

  So, the moral of the story is, if you do not want it saved, don't
use the Internet.

  There are ways to get around this, and that includes using proxies
and anon remailers.  Most of them are fairly circumspect about
revealing things, but even they are compromised at times.

  So, the bottom line is if you do not want your stuff public, then
use the US mail, or hand deliver it.  Then you are only dependant upon
those that physically handle your stuff.


subject: Re: Alls well in Tommyland

text:
On 2010-06-22 13:28:36 -0700, TomAldrich@youcan'tgettherefromhere.com said:

I'm sure it can be hacked but i believe that it's pretty proprietary.


subject: Re: Alls well in Tommyland

text:
On 22-Jun-2010, Dave K <[email]> wrote:

Tell that to Bill Clinton when some General dug up a letter Clinton had sent
to him during the 60s when there was no Internet


subject: Re: Alls well in Tommyland

text:
On 2010-06-22 13:54:40 -0700, Dave K said:

Loose lips sink ships -:)


subject: Re: Alls well in Tommyland

text:
On 22-Jun-2010, Mark <[email]> wrote:

One of my problems I have with Apple, at least there is some some of
competition among manufactures for service on MS where Apple is a "only game
in town' thing


subject: Re: Alls well in Tommyland

text:
On 2010-06-22 14:54:41 -0700, TomAldrich@youcan'tgettherefromhere.com said:

On the contrary, that's one of the things that attracts me to Apple.
You know what your getting.  With MS, your mixing and matching and god
only knows how it's going to come out.


author: Leslie

subject: Induction blues . . .

text:
I've just returned from the OB's office and I am sceduled to turn up at the
hospital tomorrow morning at 6 a.m.  Unless something happens overnight I can
say goodbye to my dreams of a natural birth. :-(

Everything looked about the same at the appointment.  I am 3.5 cm dilated and
about 50% effaced.  BP was 124/76 while lying down, and I had just a trace of
protein.The doctor stripped the membranes to an extent, but my cervix is very
high so he couldn't do as thorough a job as I had hoped.  And so far I have had
no reaction to that.

My doctor says that he never lets a pregnancy go past 41 weeks (I will be 41
weeks 1 day tomorrow) because there is just too much potential for things to go
wrong.  He says that if I had been any other patient he would have insisted
(because of the baby's size) on inducing at 39 weeks.  He says that he turns up
the pit much more slowly than other doctors and that his protocol is to start
turning it down as soon as things get into a good pattern with a goal of
turning it off all the way as long as things keep going.  He says I can have
telemetry monitoring and walk around, and he would prefer that I stay on the
monitor but he will tell the nurses it is okay to let me off from time to time.

He says the baby being posterior doesn't worry him, that he will turn her
himself if she doesn't rotate on her own, which in his experience they usually
do.  He wants me to keep in mind that he is committed to helping me do whatever
he thinks is safe in order to get me a vaginal birth, even though other doctors
would probably try to section me because it would be easier for them.  I do
appreciate that he is more liberal than most doctors would be, but I still wish
I could wait a little longer.

Yes, I know I could *insist* but OTOH I want his cooperation in as many ways as
possible.  I am not going to find a more helpful doctor anywhere, and homebirth
is not an option for someone with my history, so . . .

I guess tomorrow we will be having a baby!  It is hard for me to get excited
about it when I am so scared about the induction.  It is just weird to know for
sure what is happening instead if being surprised by it, you know?  And it is
hard to let go of the dream of a natural birth.

Leslie

Emily (2/4/91)
Jake (1/27/94)
Teddy (2/15/95)
William (3/5/01 -- VBA3C, 13 lbs. 5 oz.)
and Lorelei, expected 11/2/04

"Children come trailing clouds of glory from God, which is their home."
                    ~ William Wordsworth


author: Cam & Shane

subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Good luck Leslie

We are thinking of you :-)

Hugs from Camille & Aiden


author: Kaybee

subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
"Leslie" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
the
can

I am so sorry to hear that you couldn't go naturally.  I am also sorry that
you are going on the 10th (today).  Sorry didn't get a chance to read
lastnight.  I am excited for you though.
and
of
very
have had
It will come.  I know it will.

41
to go
insisted
turns up
start
have
the
time.

It is good that he will let you off the monitors to walk around.  I think
that there is a way for you to walk around with the monitors on you.  I know
that my hospital has that.

usually

I love the fact that he will rotate the baby for you.  In the practice I go
to only 2 of the doctors will rotate the baby.  So if it comes out that I
have a breach I think I will insist that I get one of those doctors.

  He wants me to keep in mind that he is committed to helping me do whatever
doctors
do
wish

I wish you could wait a little longer also.  Makes you wonder why she is
being so stubborn.
ways as
homebirth
excited
know for
is

I know that you will (have) do a good job.

Kay
Eva 9/2002
little boy 1/2005


subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
[email] (Leslie) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

((Hugs))

Maybe next time?  <g,d,& r>


author: Nikki

subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Leslie wrote:

Aww Leslie.  I'm sorry.  I know the the feeling as I was the same way the
night before I went in with Luke.  If it helps at all, his was a fabulous
birth.  It felt very natural even though I had a little intervention to get
things moving.  I didn't have to deal with the pitocin so I can't offer any
experience there.  I was only at barely 2cm and so they put something on my
cervix until it was at 5cm and then AROM and that was the end of the
interventions.  I bet your labor will just  take off.  Good luck.  I'm so
excited to see Lorelei's announcment :-)


author: Kelly

subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Wow, your doctor sounds pretty flexible!  I hope the induction goes well for
you, as you certainly deserve it.  I know it is hard to let go of the idea
of a natural birth, but you will soon be holding your baby girl in your arms
and seeing those pretty baby eyes, the chubby baby wrists, and listening to
those sweet baby noises again!!  Good luck and hope you get some rest
tonight.  Did your husband change his schedule for tomorrow?

Kelly
#4 2/12/05

"Leslie" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
the
can
and
of
very
have had
41
to go
insisted
turns up
start
have
the
time.
usually
whatever
doctors
do
wish
ways as
homebirth
excited
know for
is


author: Mamma Mia

subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
lesile, you are so far in front of someone like me, who had one induced
labour that ended in a C and then an elective C and now a doc who is is
really unlikely to be convinced of anything else (i have given up on it a
bit actually)...

i know that is little consolatio nfor you, but we parents are way in front
anyway!  nd i know how you feel

christine
"Leslie" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Circe

subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Leslie wrote:

Would he even *consider* giving AROM-only along with some nipple stimulation
and walking around a couple of hours to work? I mean, if there's no turning
back, it doesn't make much difference. And if AROM works, intermittent
monitoring with a lot more time off the monitors would be a lot easier to
sell.

Given that you've been in labor several times before, have fully dilated
before, *and* have had a vaginal birth, I think the chances of AROM alone
working would be very good, provided cord prolapse isn't an issue based on
Lorelei's position. IOW, if he thinks pitocin induction can succeed even
with her being posterior, I can't imagine why he doesn't think AROM alone
couldn't work. And IME, an AROM-induced labor is night and day from a
pitocin-induced one, so I think it's worth trying if you're at the point of
no return!

I hear ya.

Well, I s'pose that depends. There's a few HBAC folks on the list, including
Elfanie. But it's a bit late now!

Well, maybe you don't have to let go completely YET. Ask him about AROM
only. Typical pitocin-induction protocol is to start with AROM, anyway, so
why not suggest that he break your waters and, provided there's no prolapse,
give you a couple of hours to walk and try nipple stimulation to get labor
going. If you haven't started a regular contraction pattern within a couple
of hours, THEN you'll agree to the pitocin. But why get out the hammer until
you're actually sure it's a nail?

Good luck, and one way or another, remember you'll be holding your little
girl soon.


author: Tara

subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
On 09 Nov 2004 22:52:20 GMT, [email] (Leslie) wrote:

I'm sorry you may not get the birth you planned.  You'll have a
beautiful baby girl very soon!  Best of luck to you.

Tara


author: emilymr

subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Good luck, Leslie..  And I can't wait to hear about Lorelei -- no matter
how she arrives!!  :)

Em
baby boy, due Nov. 18


author: laurie

subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
I'm sorry it hasn't happened on it's own, Leslie, but am so happy for you that
tomorrow you will be holding your baby! Can't wait to hear all about it. Good
luck!

laurie
mommy to Jessica,  3.5 years
Christopher, 18 months


author: Jamie Clark

subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Hugs Leslie.  It's still possible that you'll only need a little nudge from
the induction, and you could still do the rest of it on your own.  Whatever
happens, I'll be thinking of you!


author: Wendy

subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
I am sorry that you may not be having the natural birth you had hoped
for. : ( But, I am very excited for you and it will be so wonderful for
you to hold your baby girl at last! Good luck, Leslie, here's wishing
you the best and you will be in my thoughts all day tomorrow. : )
(((hugs)))

Wendy


author: Wildwookie

subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Hi

Firstly I hope everything goes well for you Leslie. I've been checking
regularly for the latest instalments and look forward to hearing about the
birth of your beautiful new baby.

Secondly I am expecting our first and I'm learning so much from this ng, can
I ask what does AROM stand for?

Denise
#1 EDD 29Jan05

"Circe" <[email]> wrote in message
news:7tckd.92053$bk1.74499@fed1read05...
stimulation
turning
of
including
prolapse,
couple
until


subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Barbara asked:

I did ask him about this.  He always breaks the waters when he induces anyway.
But he said he wants to get a good contraction pattern going right away.

Let me put it this way--my husband would never allow it.  Our last homebirth
attempt freaked him out.  He might go for the birth center, but they don't do
VBACs.

LOL.

thanks, Barbara. :-)

Leslie

Emily (2/4/91)
Jake (1/27/94)
Teddy (2/15/95)
William (3/5/01 -- VBA3C, 13 lbs. 5 oz.)
and Lorelei, expected 11/2/04

"Children come trailing clouds of glory from God, which is their home."
                    ~ William Wordsworth


subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Thanks, Tara! :-)

Leslie

Emily (2/4/91)
Jake (1/27/94)
Teddy (2/15/95)
William (3/5/01 -- VBA3C, 13 lbs. 5 oz.)
and Lorelei, expected 11/2/04

"Children come trailing clouds of glory from God, which is their home."
                    ~ William Wordsworth


author: Donna Metler

subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Well, we'll hope for labor tonight-and regardless, look forward to welcoming
Lorelei-regardless of how she gets here.

"emilymr" <emily@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:[email]...


subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Thanks, Em.  I will post a story as soon as humanly possible!

Leslie

Emily (2/4/91)
Jake (1/27/94)
Teddy (2/15/95)
William (3/5/01 -- VBA3C, 13 lbs. 5 oz.)
and Lorelei, expected 11/2/04

"Children come trailing clouds of glory from God, which is their home."
                    ~ William Wordsworth


subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Thank you, Laurie!

Leslie

Emily (2/4/91)
Jake (1/27/94)
Teddy (2/15/95)
William (3/5/01 -- VBA3C, 13 lbs. 5 oz.)
and Lorelei, expected 11/2/04

"Children come trailing clouds of glory from God, which is their home."
                    ~ William Wordsworth


subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Thanks, Wendy. :-)

Leslie

Emily (2/4/91)
Jake (1/27/94)
Teddy (2/15/95)
William (3/5/01 -- VBA3C, 13 lbs. 5 oz.)
and Lorelei, expected 11/2/04

"Children come trailing clouds of glory from God, which is their home."
                    ~ William Wordsworth


author: Ericka Kammerer

subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Wildwookie wrote:

	AROM = Artificial Rupture of Membranes (breaking your waters)

Beset wishes,
Ericka


subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Leslie wrote:
Okay, although in your shoes, I'd think I'd ask him why he thinks it
matters. But in my case at least, AROM clearly worked within 5 minutes. Do
you think he'd at least be willing to give you a half an hour or so before
starting the pitocin? IME, at least, when AROM works, it works *fast*.

My husband has never warmed up to the idea of homebirth. Honestly, if I
thought he'd go for it, that might be enough to induce me to have another
baby, but I don't think he'll ever come over to the "dark side" <g>!


subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
Thanks, Donna!

Leslie

Emily (2/4/91)
Jake (1/27/94)
Teddy (2/15/95)
William (3/5/01 -- VBA3C, 13 lbs. 5 oz.)
and Lorelei, expected 11/2/04

"Children come trailing clouds of glory from God, which is their home."
                    ~ William Wordsworth


subject: Re: Induction blues . . .

text:
That's a thought--I'll give it a try in the morning. :-)

Leslie

Emily (2/4/91)
Jake (1/27/94)
Teddy (2/15/95)
William (3/5/01 -- VBA3C, 13 lbs. 5 oz.)
and Lorelei, expected 11/2/04

"Children come trailing clouds of glory from God, which is their home."
                    ~ William Wordsworth


author: VeryNiceGuy

subject: Re: A real Golden Opportunity

text:
Goldtrend wrote:

gold went further down today.  So did South African Rand.

be patient.  whats the hurry?  wait longer.  wait for all the central
banks to finish their selling.  then sell some gold put-options at the
low.  don't say i never give tips har!


author: Amir Ikram

subject: Citizenship Test for People over 60?

text:
My Mother is 62 right now. She has been in Canada for three and half
years. She can't read, write or speak either English or French.
Is she exempt from taking test or not?
Thanks!
Amir


author: PMM

subject: Re: Citizenship Test for People over 60?

text:
Hi Amir

"Amir Ikram" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Here is what the Immigration Web Site says:

If you meet the basic requirements for citizenship, and are between the ages
of 18 and 59, you will be scheduled for the test. We will send you a "Notice
to Appear for a Citizenship Test" telling you the date and time when you
will be given your test. If you are 60 or older, you do not have to write
the test. You may be given a written test or, in some circumstances, an
interview. Your answers to the test questions will show whether you know
enough English or French and whether you know the information in A Look at
Canada.

You must know English or French
English and French are the official languages of Canada. You must know
enough of either language so that you can understand other people and they
can understand you. This means you need to be able to speak and understand
spoken English or French or be able to read and write in simple English or
French

So your mother would not have to take the test, but she would have to be
able to speak English or French.

PMM


author: Judy

text:
"Amir Ikram" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

How is this?

I hope not.


subject: we did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

text:
we have our visas!!!
i am so pleased
we were told @5am this morning
what a lovely wake up call!!

all of us are really bouncy!!!

hang in there !!

pootle 26 & hubby & twins & older brother


author: Madhouse!

subject: Re: we did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

text:
Great news..i wouldnt mind being woken up at 5am for that news either...
All the best in your new life

Claire :D


subject: Re: we did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

text:
we are going rsms - we applied sep meds & pcc nov visa today

pootle 26

i think thats right - i have had quite a few glasses of asti !!!


author: Anita Cooper

subject: Re: we did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

text:
Well done, that is fantastic news!!

Please could you share your process and timelines, it would be good to know
how long each stage took.

Many thanks,

A

"Madhouse!" <member17348@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:32$278445$1978788$[email]...


author: Samuel Sharmat

subject: FA: Mac Beige G3 500 MHz 384 MB ZIP USB Firewire 2-button mouse for sale on eBay

text:
I'm selling my Mac on eBay. It's a great system and works perfectly.
Even if you don't want a whole system, it's worth it's weight in parts
if you want to part it out. Opening bid: $24.99

Here's the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14911&item=2738109946

Here's the info:

This is a fantastic complete package:

Beige G3 desktop with:
G3 500 MHz upgrade processor !
384 MB of RAM
USB PCI card with 2 ports
Firewire PCI card with 3 ports
ZIP Drive
4 GB Hard Drive
CD-ROM
Ethernet
Built-in ATI graphics
Built-in SCSI and serial
Macally 2-button programmable ADB mouse
Apple Extended Keyboard
Mac OS 9 installed

With speed, memory, and ports up the wazoo, this system is
set up to handle anything you throw at it: scanners,
cameras, PDAs, printers, midi adapters, game controllers --
you name it! (Also, it kicks butt in Jedi Knight II - Jedi
Outcast thanks to the game being native in OS 9 and the 2
button mouse!)

Payment: check, money order, or PayPal
Shipping: figure 30 lbs from 10128 zipcode mailed from
MailBoxes Etc. (Phone: (212)369-1508) You choose USPS or
UPS, insurance, and ground, 3-day, 2-day, overnight etc.
Also, if you're in NYC, you can pick it up. :)

Feel free to ask any questions and Happy Bidding!


author: TradeSmall

subject: Trading Books/Manuals and Tapes for sale / Auctions

text:
On AMAZON
1. July-May Wheat Spread / Grandmill
2. The Trading Rule that will make you Rick / Edward Dobson
3. Trading in the Trenches and The Scorpion Trading Method with Video / Lee
Gettess **** (Four Stars)

On EBAY
1. Advanced Commodity Spread Trading / Harold Goldberg
2. Seasonality in Agricultural Markets / ContiCommodity
3. The New Options Market
4. Contrarian Investing

Go to this link to get to the auctions:
http://homepages.go.com/~dweisner/1.htm


author: Thunderbird

subject: New Housing tax credit?

text:
Exactly how does the current first-time buyer credit (exp. Nov 30)
phase out and the new one (just signed into law) begin?  The old one
was based on closing date, the new one is based on the contract date,
so what happens if you close on a house purchase on Dec 2 on a PSA/
contract signed on Nov 15. Does that qualify for the new credit?
Note that I have a client that doesn't qualify for the credit based on
the current $75K income limit, but will qualify for the new increased
income limit (so he needs the new credit, even though the new credit
may have to be repaid if the 3-year rule is violated later).
Also was there any change in the new credit terms that effects the
sharing of the credit for non-married joint-owners?
I believe the old one could be shared pretty much as desired with the
income test applying to each person individually (so if one person was
over the income limit the other could claim the full credit).


author: Arthur Kamlet

subject: Re: New Housing tax credit?

text:
In article <[email]>,
Thunderbird  <[email]> wrote:

I believe the closing must be after November 7, 2009, the date the
law was signed.


author: Bill Brown

subject: Re: New Housing tax credit?

text:
On Nov 9, 3:49ï¿½pm, [email] (Arthur Kamlet) wrote:

The bill was signed into law on November 6th so a closing on Nov 7
would qualify of the other requirements are met.


author: D. Stussy

subject: Re: New Housing tax credit?

text:
"Arthur Kamlet" <[email]> wrote in message
news:hd9v81$etc$[email]...
<[email]>,

I would agree with that.  I also note that your closing date is after
November 30, so only the just signed bill would cover it.


subject: Re: New Housing tax credit?

text:
In article <[email]>,
Bill Brown  <[email]> wrote:

Thanks for the correction.  For some reason, my invite to the signing
never arrived :^)


author: emoneyjoe

subject: Re: Occupy San Fag Cisco protesters cut 2 police officers.  Time to start shooting them.

text:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:03:19 -0600, "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <[email]> wrote:

        Oh, come on, those democrats were called "the good old boys".

       There is no law against being a bigot as long as
no rights are violated.

       This seems to be an odd time to bring up racism.


text:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:57:41 -0600, "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <[email]> wrote:

      Depends on what you mean by discrimination.

       I agree, but there are probably more democrat
and leftist racists than there are republican racists,
but the left claims it is all republican or "right wing".

       Regardless of voting preference, there is nothing
wrong with voting in the general election for any reason
whatsoever.

        I don't think so, because it seems more of a campaign
plan by the left.


author: pyotr filipivich

text:
emoneyjoe <[email]> on Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:58:18 -0500
typed in misc.survivalism  the following:

	1) projection by the Democrats,
	2) thanks to the Anti-Discrimination laws, etc, it is not as easy
to identify the racists, due to the laws sanction on them being
allowed to express their views.

	The Left seems unable to distinguish between thought and action.
This might be a result of their own inability to restrain their
thoughts or actions, or to "think" in the first place.
	OTOH: Craig Chilton is the sort to give _any_ demographic a bad
name.

pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich
Denial is not a river in Egypt, "Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme,
a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the
denying person knows the truth on some level."  LTC Grossman.


text:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:27:21 -0600, "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <[email]> wrote:

        I have known thousands of bigots, but never
saw any of them do anything to seek to deprive
anyone of any rights or privileges.

        70 years experience working with them.

        All leftists talk like that. :-)

        For any reason, each person has the right to
vote his conscience.

        I believe in liberty and freedom, what better place
to start than the voting booth.


author: Gunner Asch

text:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:27:21 -0600, "(ï¿½`ï¿½.ï¿½ Craig Chilton ï¿½.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½)
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <[email]> wrote:

Because the KKK is the terrorist arm of the DNC.

Fact.

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
                                   Gunner Asch


text:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:26:04 -0500, emoneyjoe <[email]>
wrote:

So you arent a gun owner?

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
                                   Gunner Asch


text:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:17:15 -0800, Gunner Asch <[email]>
wrote:

      No.


text:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:05:13 -0600, "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <[email]> wrote:

       I don't understand that, i define sex as anything
that can lead to procreation.

       This is 2011, the more you talk about it, the
problem is made worse.

      I avoid those people that keep on doing things
that can be harmful.

       I know what they say that shows they are bigots,
but as long as they just talked, I saw no harm.

       I don't remember writing that.

       I wasn't aware that it affected the national vote.

       I doubt it.      Any intelligent normal person would
forget the times that far back and get on with their
lives, dwelling on problems for so long is not good.


text:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:08:32 -0600, "(ï¿½`ï¿½.ï¿½ Craig Chilton ï¿½.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½)
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <[email]> wrote:

Tell that to their Democrat masters

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
                                   Gunner Asch


text:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:09:58 -0600, "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <[email]> wrote:

        No they haven't, you typed in a name that doesn't
belong there.


text:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:45:26 -0500, emoneyjoe <[email]>
wrote:

Then you have no idea of the lengths the Left has gone to to deprive
honest Americans of their rights.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
                                   Gunner Asch


text:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:10:28 -0800, Gunner Asch <[email]>
wrote:

       Maybe they feel they can't take over by force as long
as there are 40 million hunters.

       There is a gun range 5 miles from my house, they
rent out a 50 caliber by the minute on some weekends,
I can hear that thing when the wind is right.


text:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:13:52 -0600, "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <[email]> wrote:

        Stupid, without romance, women are not interested.

        And maybe not.

       Pretty much, people as stupid as you are          boring.

       Nobody did  it publicly.

       That makes you a forger.

        So what else is new?

        ?       I doubt if segregation will be back.


text:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:31:17 -0600, "(ï¿½`ï¿½.ï¿½ Craig Chilton ï¿½.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½)
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <[email]> wrote:

Anyone know how to kill file this dumb bastard?  Every time I read one
of his spewed derangements..I feel I need a shower.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
                                   Gunner Asch


text:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 04:21:32 -0500, emoneyjoe <[email]>
wrote:

Correct.  And there are 150 million gun owners who own 400 Million
firearms in private hands.

Hence they have tried every low trick in the book to get those guns away
from their owners. It appears to have started backfiring on them in
recent years. But they keep trying.  Fast and Furious was their latest
attempt.

And it cost good men their lives.

50s are illegal here in California.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
                                   Gunner Asch


text:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:59:34 -0500, emoneyjoe <[email]>
wrote:

In most cases true.

However..swingers and others are exceptions to the rule.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
                                   Gunner Asch


text:
Gunner Asch <[email]> on Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:40:50 -0800
typed in misc.survivalism  the following:

 ^K
		author: craig chilton
	click on global
	your choice: never expire or expire after N days.

worked for me.
--
pyotr filipivich
"If Eric Holder gets indicted in Operation Fast & Furious,
should he get a civilian trial?"  The Iowahawk


author: TomTom

subject: Re: => 89-yr-old woman arrested over child's ball in her yard <= Amerikkkan Legal MADNESS !!

text:
Deadrat wrote:

There was a dispute between people about possession of some goods.  The
police stepped in, and arrested the woman with possession of the goods,
apparently on the grrounds of theft.  There was no theft, because she did
not take the goods as required by the law of theft.

Therefore, the arrest was incorrect, and false arrest.  The police should
have left the people involved to resolve their dispute according to law.


author: Deadrat

text:
"Reality_Checkï¿½" <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

No.  The woman intended to permanently deprive the owner of his property.
That's a crime.  Also possibly a tort, but still a crime.

What's B?

If the owner of the ball wanted to (and it is allowed under the laws of
the state in which this dispute happended), he could bring a suit for
conversion so as to recover damages.  That doesn't mean that the woman
couldn't also be guilty of criminal theft.

A different argument, no?


author: marika

text:
"Reality_Checkï¿½" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

I guess it depends which state you are in.  You are likely to find it in a
property law book, next door to things like bailments.   Sometimes it's not
more than a tort. .  Some places class it as a crime, some as a misdemeanor.
Some statutes use it in the sense that it's merely an act that is a
prerequisite to a tort or a crime more substantially defined in the statute.
That is, not a separate crime, just an act if committed supporting the
elements of the definition of the crime.

mk5000

----- Original Message -----
From: "marika" <[email]>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.mormon,ALT.USENET.LEGENDS.LESTER-MOSLEY
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: Should Mormons Vote for Obama?


text:
marika wrote:

Quite so.

The police said it was a crime, because "The actual rule is if you take the
property of another and convert it to your own use, it's theft."  That is
correct.  But there must be a taking.  There wasn't.


text:
"Reality_Checkï¿½" <[email]> wrote in news:6m7knqFfi28mU1
@mid.individual.net:

Not my job.  That would be the prosecutor's.

The intentional permanent deprivation of another's property without
permission *is* unlawful.

Certainly.  Although I don't know what damages she could show from the
trespass.

Only if she intended to be delicious.

<snip/>


text:
"TomTom" <[email]> wrote in message
news:gdm3e7$6mo$[email]...

The first version of the article I read was hard to read because it was very
very chopped up because of all the readers commenting on it, so I went back
and reread it.  It seems from the newspaper report that they are charging
her with petty larceny (but who is to say given the accuracy levels of such
reporting and of course the fact that they can change the charge so it could
be something different once she's charged although at this point I suspect
she has been).

I tried to look up the statute but didn't have the patience because it's not
state, it's local/municipal.

One of my first thoughts was that the police should have been out there
doing arbitration amongst the parties.  The police quoted in the article
allege they have been doing so all along and that this time, the show came
to a head.  There has got to be a really wacky back story about the history
of the arbitration attempts.

However, as it is almost Halloween, I think those kids will egg and TP her
house.  I feel a bit sorry for her

mk5000

"The worst is all the lovely weather/ I'm stunned it's not raining/ The
coffee isn't even bitter/ Because, what's the difference." --someone great,
lcd soundsystem


author: Christine

subject: paranoid OR a smart mom?

text:
Ok, It's about car saftey....

I read recently somewhere that you should always keep your items in the
trunk....BECAUSE if you would get into a wreck ( even a fender bender )
then something could hit your baby in the head,,OR another person or
you...( it was a canned good ) that I read about that hit a child in the
head, following a fender bender...( I dont know the outcome )
anyhow, I guess I never really thought of that, until i read
that........NOW when i see my DH's drill or ANYTHING on the floor of the
car, I  put it in the trunk.......BUT the problem is this:
my DH thinks I am Totally paranoid and it is a stupid thought...he'll
saysomething like...there is a 1 out of 20000000000 chance that
might happen ........but as always I say,,WHY take that
chance
but heres the main Problem...we are planning a smaill trip, ( under 3
hours ) and the 2 SD's want and HAVE to take the tv/vcr along in the
car...there is NO place for this, it is a small tv/vcr that plugs into
the cigarette lighter....one of them would have to put in on their
lap...( its small BUT still heavy enough to really hurt chloe if it
landed on her )  IT IS WAY HEAVIER THAN CHLOE!
last year DH wedged it between OUR seats in the front....I never
thought, what would happen if we would wreck.....

I just do not feel right taking a trip and KNOWING the danger if we
would wreck.....something really bad could happen all over a movie..

I HAVE to speak up when it comes to chloe's well being....because SHE
cant....the other children are well aware of everything..( I never
mentioned about the tv.. ) but they are fully aware of EVERYTHING....) I
guess VERY mature might be a better word...so at least they could say if
they still wanted to watch tv KNOWING if there was a wreck it might hit
one of them.  but Chloe cant say!!!!!!!!!

BUT, If I say anything..I mean ANYTHING about leaving the tv in the
trunk OR at home...DH will get soooo pi@sed off and there will be a huge
fight....

should I say something and stick to my thoughts and not allow the
tv/vcr...or should I just keep my mouth shut, and pray to God were
safe....no matter how nice I would say something, there WILL be a
fight..because he would say... i bought that so they could watch
tv in the car and i'm NOT leaving it behind on a trip

DH gets very mad if I say anything...because HE IS THE BOSS!  what HE
says goes..!........

I wanted to RENT an SUV for long trips because at least if chloe was in
another row it might not fly in the back but BESIDE her????
there is no way a child OR anyone for that matter could hang on to a tv
in an UNexpected wreck

and I figured for small trips when we take the car, then we could leave
it at home...BUT DH takes the tv, just for trips around here too..if we
are going to be in the car for more than an hour...its almost like the
kids wont travel without it!

so WWYD?

TIA...

http://www.growingfamily.com/webnursery/babypage_view.asp?URLID=9T8S0V9F5G


author: Jamie Clark

subject: Re: paranoid OR a smart mom?

text:
We take car trips frequently, and there is always stuff (diaper bag, purse,
groceries, snack bags, etc) behind the seats, on the seat, in the footwell,
etc.  I've never been in an accident, so there has never been a problem.  I
mean, you have to be able to reach into the diaper bag to grab a bottle or
book for baby, or snacks, or whatever.

That all being said, I don't think a TV/VCR designed for a home tabletop is
a good idea in a car.  There are specifically designed DVD players that hook
between the seats, and the straps would be enough to hold it in place in
case of an accident, I would assume.  If he specifically bought the TV/VCR
for car travel, then he made a bad decision and a bad purchase, which I'm
sure he'd love to hear from you (NOT!).  But since there is nowhere to put
it but on someone's lap, I think it's a bad idea, and wouldn't be
comfortable for a long drive anyway.  If it was purchased recently, I say
return it and get the portable one designed for vehicles.

I think you are a combination of smart and paranoid.  You can't take every
possible thing out of your car without it being a pain in the butt and
inconvenient, so to me, you are overboard there.  But, the TV that you have
sounds like a bad idea.


author: Leslie

subject: Re: paranoid OR a smart mom?

text:
I don't think you are paranoid at all.  If those kids can't get along without a
t.v. for a few hours they are spoiled anyway!

Leslie

Emily (2/4/91)
Jake (1/27/94)
Teddy (2/15/95)
William (3/5/01 -- VBA3C, 13 lbs. 5 oz.)
and Lorelei, expected 11/2/04

"Children come trailing clouds of glory from God, which is their home."
                    ~ William Wordsworth


author: Kathy Cole

subject: Re: paranoid OR a smart mom?

text:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:57:31 -0400, [email] (Christine)
wrote:

You are his wife, not his child.  If that's truly his attitude, I'd
start with marriage counseling and end with divorce if that didn't help
the situation.


author: Irrational Number

subject: Re: paranoid OR a smart mom?

text:
Christine wrote:

Sheesh!  Even if I'm in the car alone, I always make
sure that nothing will fly directly at me if I'm hit, much
less my child who matters most to me in this life!
I've been in many car accidents (car coming through
the red light to hit my front, rear ended a couple of
times, once hit on the driver side by car exiting a
gas station, etc.) to take any chances.

Basic physics:  If you have something in the middle
behind the back seat of a sedan or the last seat in
an SUV or station wagon, and the baby is in the
carseat facing the rear in the center of the car, then
if the car comes to a sudden stop from 35 mph, that
baseball cap or book or stuffed animal hits the baby
at 35 mph.  If your husband doesn't understand what
35 mph hitting you feels like, tell him to drive at 35 mph
without his seat belt on and slam on the brakes.  (I'm
being facetious here.)

If you have something to the side of the baby and
your car gets hit from the side, then it's the 35 mph
plus or minus the magnitude of the speed in the direction
of your car, so if baby gets hit, it could be more or
less than 35 mph.  (I don't know about you, but I
don't want a baseball cap coming at my child at 10 mph!)

I do have soft toys and blankets that are unsecured
and I sometimes have drinks in the cupholders.  And
a small diaper bag, but even there, I think I'll put it in
the trunk from now on, now that I'm thinking about it.

-- Anita --


author: Vicky Bilaniuk

subject: Re: paranoid OR a smart mom?

text:
Christine wrote:

This is correct.  If you would like a little anecdotal evidence, I was
in an accident (a rear-ending and a front-end collision that resulted
from it) and *NOTHING* stayed put in my car, and I mean NOTHING.  Not
even the dust stayed put!  I actually thought that my car was on fire,
because the dust that had accumulated in the floor mat (I've got one of
those big thick ones that holds tons of crap, so I only clean it maybe
once or twice a year, so it manages to accumulate a lot of sand and
stuff) came flying up and it looked like smoke.  I had a bag of salt in
the trunk, and it came flying forward with such force that it broke the
back seat.  The bag burst and there was salt everywhere.  If the back
seat had not been locked shut, we would have been pelted with salt!  (as
it was, the bottom of the seat came out, but the top, where the lock is,
stayed together, so we got lucky)  Both front seats broke, too.  It was
just one bizarre crash that definitely resulted in the car being written
off, but anyway...

Back when I took driving lessons, they told us that kleenex boxes were
really dangerous.  Never keep one loose on top of anything high up in
the car.  It can become a pointy projectile.

If it's on the floor, it's probably OK.  But then again, you might roll.

Now, after all the scary stuff I just said, I must say that I don't let
any of it bother *me*, even though I've got experience.  I still put
things in the car that lie around loosely (your chances of avoiding a
crash could be better, but they are not *that* bad), although I don't
put anything big or heavy in the passenger compartment for any real
length of time.  A TV/VCR set up for a road trip would be kind of
pushing it for me, but not because I would be afraid of a crash, but
because I would be incredibly irritated with the clutter and cramped
quarters that it would translate into.

Honestly I think your chances of avoiding an accident are pretty good.
Personally, I would just be ticked about the clutter, as I mentioned
earlier.  I would worry that while going around a tight turn, the TV
would fall on the baby, or something.  It would just be too tight back
there for my tastes.  I guess it depends on just how big this TV is, though.

This would bother me more.

Sounds like a good idea.  You could rent one with an LCD panel that has
plugs sitting there ready and waiting for a VCR or a video game, and the
bonus is that it comes with head phones and it lets the parents play
different music.  You also get a remote control.

If the thing is kind of big, I would just put my foot down and say that
the back seat is too cluttered and that they might not be able to hold
onto the thing properly in a tight turn (also remind them that they
might not like having it on their laps for all that time).  If people
bitch, then tell them that the problem would be solved if you rented
that SUV (and remind your DH that if you rent the SUV, you'll put the
mileage on someone else's vehicle).  If safety is what you're most
interested in, though, you might want to check into renting a van
instead.  A van would probably be cheaper anyway.


author: Ilse Witch

subject: Re: paranoid OR a smart mom?

text:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:57:31 -0400, Christine wrote:

That's right, and the problem is particularly an issue in cars with open
trunks, such as SUV's. So hiring one to prevent the problem might not be
such a good idea. Anything that is lying around in a car can move when you
hit something, but things that are on the floor will generally just move
under the seats and not cause too much damage. However, I agree with you,
you want to avoid anything lying around that can seriously harm your
child (or yourself). In that sense, anything that is pointy, sharp or
about half her weight should be in the trunk.


author: Nikki

subject: Re: paranoid OR a smart mom?

text:
Christine wrote:

That is true.  I knew a teen that died in a car wreck and the cause of death
was a speaker from the back dash.  It flew up and hit him in the head.  I
was in an accident where I went off onto a causeway.  I didn't tip over but
it was one heck of a bumpy ride.  The largish plastic cooler and everything
else in the back seat landed in the front seat.  I was not injured.

I'd get one of those things to hang in from the seat back - or make
something that would do that.  You could strap in on pretty tight I think.

I don't think that would be getting you anywhere.  There would just be more
stuff to fly around.  In addition cars are generally safer then SUV's in
other ways.

takes the tv, just for trips around here

I don't have one but if we ever take a traveling vacation I'll probably get
one.  My kids are to young to read but old enough to bicker, lol.  The
magnadoodle only lasts so long!

How old are the kids in question?  Maybe one of those game boy things would
be a compromise as well, especially for the shorter trips.


author: Sophie

subject: Re: paranoid OR a smart mom?

text:
I've actually read the same thing.  If you have things like strollers,
diaper bags, they should be in a trunk or at least anchored down somehow.
When I had my accident eveything just slid forward (the type of accident it
was).

Same guy who went for a vasectomy without discussing it?  You have bigger
problems then the TV/VCR, sorry for being blunt.

If it's on her lap won't it just fall on the floor in an accident?  I can't
imagine how it would fall sideways and into an infant carseat.

Well we would never buy one.  If kids can't survive a car ride without a TV
or VCR, gimme a break. And yes we've done long car rides - from NC to TX and
back, as well as NC to MI and back, not to mention NC to CA yrs ago.


author: AT

subject: Re: paranoid OR a smart mom?

text:
I don't think you are being paranoid. Securing heavy things is always a good
idea. If the tv/vcr thing you are talking about is big enough, they make car
bags for them. The bag is then suspended between the front 2 seats. Works
well for viewing and securing the tv. We got ours at Target for a pretty
reasonable price. Happen to have it right here since we no longer use the
TV!

"Christine" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Ok, It's about car saftey....

I read recently somewhere that you should always keep your items in the
trunk....BECAUSE if you would get into a wreck ( even a fender bender )
then something could hit your baby in the head,,OR another person or
you...( it was a canned good ) that I read about that hit a child in the
head, following a fender bender...( I dont know the outcome )
anyhow, I guess I never really thought of that, until i read
that........NOW when i see my DH's drill or ANYTHING on the floor of the
car, I  put it in the trunk.......BUT the problem is this:
my DH thinks I am Totally paranoid and it is a stupid thought...he'll
saysomething like...''there is a 1 out of 20000000000 chance that
might happen ''........but as always I say,,''WHY take that
chance''
but heres the main Problem...we are planning a smaill trip, ( under 3
hours ) and the 2 SD's want and HAVE to take the tv/vcr along in the
car...there is NO place for this, it is a small tv/vcr that plugs into
the cigarette lighter....one of them would have to put in on their
lap...( its small BUT still heavy enough to really hurt chloe if it
landed on her )  IT IS WAY HEAVIER THAN CHLOE!
last year DH wedged it between OUR seats in the front....I never
thought, what would happen if we would wreck.....

I just do not feel right taking a trip and KNOWING the danger if we
would wreck.....something really bad could happen all over a movie..

I HAVE to speak up when it comes to chloe's well being....because SHE
cant....the other children are well aware of everything..( I never
mentioned about the tv.. ) but they are fully aware of EVERYTHING....) I
guess VERY mature might be a better word...so at least they could say if
they still wanted to watch tv KNOWING if there was a wreck it might hit
one of them.  but Chloe cant say!!!!!!!!!

BUT, If I say anything..I mean ANYTHING about leaving the tv in the
trunk OR at home...DH will get soooo pi@sed off and there will be a huge
fight....

should I say something and stick to my thoughts and not allow the
tv/vcr...or should I just keep my mouth shut, and pray to God were
safe....no matter how nice I would say something, there WILL be a
fight..because he would say...'' i bought that so they could watch
tv in the car and i'm NOT leaving it behind on a trip ''

DH gets very mad if I say anything...because HE IS THE BOSS!  what HE
says goes..!........

I wanted to RENT an SUV for long trips because at least if chloe was in
another 'row' it might not fly in the back but BESIDE her????
there is no way a child OR anyone for that matter could hang on to a tv
in an ''UNexpected wreck''

and I figured for small trips when we take the car, then we could leave
it at home...BUT DH takes the tv, just for trips around here too..if we
are going to be in the car for more than an hour...its almost like the
kids wont travel without it!

so WWYD?

TIA...

http://www.growingfamily.com/webnursery/babypage_view.asp?URLID=9T8S0V9F5G


author: Hillary Israeli

subject: Re: paranoid OR a smart mom?

text:
In <[email]>,
Christine <[email]> wrote:

*DH gets very mad if I say anything...because HE IS THE BOSS!  what HE
*says goes..!........

[snip]

*so WWYD?

Seriously? If the situation is as you describe, and there isn't more to
the story that we don't know about... I would insist that we go to
marriage counselling, or I would strongly consider leaving the marriage. I
would not quietly remain submissive to a man who would not listen to my
opinions but would instead get angry at me because HE IS THE BOSS and what
HE SAYS GOES.


author: Donna Metler

subject: Re: paranoid OR a smart mom?

text:
Would it fit into one of the holder things they sell which attach to the
seats? At least that would provide some restraint. I know I've seen those at
places like Best Buy or Circuit City.


author: Tori M.

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Well.. If it is a tv made for going in the car doesnt it have straps to keep
it at a certain hight in the car?  I have seen some that are made to strap
on the 2 front seats so the kids can watch it.

We always have a ton of stuff in our back seat but I never leave anything
over the back seat level.. I think the real problem is things left on the
rear  window ledge not the floor.  I am having a hard time seeing a can of
corn get lifted off the floor and wacking someone in the head from a
*simple* fender bender.  Simple being 2 cars wack into each other at normal
road speeds the car stays upright...   Though we usualy get plastic and we
put all the heavy stuff on the floor and the light stuff on top so it would
be more likely that we would get wacked with a loaf of bread.

Oh I saw a thing about leaving baseball caps on the back window ledge could
get you decapitated (verry ironic I think getting decapitated by a cap) so I
will NOT ride in a car with anything there.. hehe I usualy clean it off for
a person I am riding with.

Tori


author: Carla

subject: Re: paranoid OR a smart mom?

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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:06:24 -0400, Kathy Cole <[email]>
wrote:

I totally agree...what a complete a$$hole.  This sounds way beyond
"typical" male ego -- I put typical in quotes because my husband would
never even CONSIDER acting like this towards me nor would I to him.
Thank god he never pulls any of that alpha-male macho sh!t.

I obviously don't know this guy but I think I'm fairly safe in saying
he's not the 'counseling' type because he thinks he has done nothing
wrong.  If I'm not mistaken, isn't this the same guy that went and had
a secret vasectomy a few weeks after your baby was born? If so sheesh
what a schmuck!

Good luck

Carla
Mom to Victor Paul born 5.16.04
www.victorpictures.com <--See him here!


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7 and 14.....

http://www.growingfamily.com/webnursery/babypage_view.asp?URLID=9T8S0V9F5G


author: Marie

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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:28:44 -0400, "Sophie" <[email]>
wrote:

That is something we will not back down on. How stupid is it to have
to have a tv in the car? How about read or play games or listen to
music. My aunt brings their playstation in the car with them.
Marie


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yes I strongly feel that we NEED it....!

Dh has two kids from other relationships, and Chloe....he was NEVER
married, until me!
he just can NOT handle being told what to do or what NOT to do...he HAS
to be the boss...he has ALWAYS been his own boss, ........and I am NOT
the bossy type, I only speak up when it has something to do with the
well being of Chloe...

I try to say things as sweet as possible...ie. i'll ask him to tighten
the carseat......I have to say...honey, would you please tighted
the carseat for me then he will still be disgusted about it ( he
HATES the car seat ) but we wont fight...but if I just say in a plain
tone,,,will you tighten the carseat..then there is a fight.........
I have to be REALLY SWEET ALL THE TIME!!!
EXTRA SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean I KNOW if i'm asking something in a smart a@@ed tone...but you
have to handle him like an egg....he doesnt have a bad temper..he'll
just act like a real jerk..as long as I dont say anything about ANYTHING
we get along great!

Grrrrrrrrrr...

June Cleaver.........

http://www.growingfamily.com/webnursery/babypage_view.asp?URLID=9T8S0V9F5G


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Carla wrote:

Here's my take on the guy and the situation:  he's just used to getting
his way.  It might not have anything to do with his ego or anything like
that.  It simply might be that he's used to getting what he wants,
always.  He needs to learn that life can't always be that way.  The
people around him need to stop being submissive (which is starting to
happen now that the baby is here).  This will cause a lot of turmoil for
a long time, probably, but it's what needs to be done, IMO, otherwise
he'll never get the opportunity to learn.


subject: Re: paranoid OR a smart mom?

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My answer to the Vacectamy would be "Gee hun didnt know you felt that
strongly about me using a sperm donnar for #2 ;)"

Tori


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Christine wrote:

Well that should be old enough for game boys, cd players w/head phones, or
writing, reading, I'm not sure what else.  Mine are little yet :-)


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Marie wrote:

Oh see I'm anti-TV in bedrooms and I doubt I'll ever allow one in a bedroom
in my house.  TV's in cars...I don't mind that so much...anything for a more
peaceful trip!  I do the games (I spy etc.) and that is when we practice
ABC's or our address and phone number but *I* hate that stuff after awhile,
lol.  My kids don't watch much TV at home so I wouldn't mind it in the car.
We don't have one though :-(  We do the games, magnadoodle, sometimes other
toys and/or books (not very successful), books on tape, I read to them (they
are to little to read to themselves) all with a healthy dose of bickering
for good measure ;-)  We travel more then some people.  We go 3 hours away
on average of once every two months and on the off months we go 1.5 hours
away but back again in the same day.


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"Marie" <[email]> wrote in message
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TV
and
Is it any better to have books, toys, CD players etc in the car? At least
the TV can be strapped down. I wouldn't particularly want to get hit in the
head by a flying walkman, either! We did a lot of long car trips when I was
growing up-and usually the back seat  and the floor of the car weren't
really visible because of all the stuff back there.

There are now small video players and video cartridges for gameboys, but I
don't know how long they run. Frankly, when I first saw kids playing with
the things in the school cafeteria in the morning, I thought that it was the
stupidest thing I'd ever seen (watching TV on a 2 in screen?)-but for a long
car trip, it might not be so bad.


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I let my husband have the final say in most matters.  If he choses wrong he
knows about it though;)  I give him my opinion on the matter and then he
listens to me half heartedly and then i ask him again 2 more times.. if at
the end of that he still is bein stuborn then he most really feel strongly
about it and then I try to get over it.

Tori


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Will he go to marriage counseling?  Seriously, Christine, I don't know how
anyone can stand to be sweet ALL the time!

Leslie

Emily (2/4/91)
Jake (1/27/94)
Teddy (2/15/95)
William (3/5/01 -- VBA3C, 13 lbs. 5 oz.)
and Lorelei, expected 11/2/04

"Children come trailing clouds of glory from God, which is their home."
                    ~ William Wordsworth


author: Elizabeth H Bonesteel

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In article <[email]>,
Christine <[email]> wrote:

Hi Christine,

I know this isn't alt.butt.into.somebody.else's.marriage, but since you
mentioned it - this sounds just awful, not to mention unsustainable.  I
lived for three years with a guy who required constant sweetness, so I
know whereof I speak.

That said - have things changed (or become worse) since Chloe was born?
DH and I are both reacting to the stress of having an infant in the
house in ways neither of us had anticipated.  It's taken a lot more
concerted effort to keep "us" going than we thought it would - as much
as we both love Emily, she does sometimes provoke a wedge between us.

Either way, marriage counseling is a good idea.  Preferably before you
go completely nuts from trying to be nice all the time.

Liz


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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:08:21 -0400, [email] (Christine)
wrote:

Girl this sounds awful!! Was he like this before you married(or moved
in together or whatever)?
Marie


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you are SO right!!!!!!!

little by little hopefull he will understand that and learn to bend on
it...;-))

http://www.growingfamily.com/webnursery/babypage_view.asp?URLID=9T8S0V9F5G


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Tori M. wrote:

Muwahahahahahaha!!!  That is a good one.  ;-)


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Nikki said:

I am anti-t.v. period!  We will never have one in the bedrooms.  As it is we
would only have one in the house if it weren't that there is an ancient one
built into the wall in the kitchen, which is rarely turned on.

My kids are mad at me because we are going shopping for a new car and they want
one with a DVD player in it.  John is all for it so I am the bad guy.  I'm
sorry but to me the point of a vacation (or anyway one of the points) is
looking out the window at the scenery not being lulled and hypnotized by t.v.
We read aloud in the car, have conversations, play the alphabet game, the kids
read or draw pictures . . . they are going to have to put up with me and my
Luddite tendencies.

Leslie

Emily (2/4/91)
Jake (1/27/94)
Teddy (2/15/95)
William (3/5/01 -- VBA3C, 13 lbs. 5 oz.)
and Lorelei, expected 11/2/04

"Children come trailing clouds of glory from God, which is their home."
                    ~ William Wordsworth


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We did a lot of long car trips when I was

Oh so you have seen the back seat of my car;)  Dh is in charge of cleaning
the car.. hehe.. well this is everyday mess not trip mess.

Tori


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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:16:09 -0500, "Donna Metler"
<[email]> wrote:

A CD player is built into the car. Books, ok that can be an issue in a
wreck I suppose. Games like, oh I don't know the name, but you go
through the alphabet watching the signs? You don't have to have
*things* on a trip, though I wouldn't go without books lol.
I just think the idea of having a tv for the kids to watch in the car
is stupid (I wasn't joining in on the safety issue)
Marie


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Donna Metler wrote:

I think you can buy things that will let you plug them into the car.


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the
was

I think Marie meant the same thing I meant - why can't kids go a few hours
without watching TV, videos, or DVDs?  Not that books and things were safer
in an accident.

the
long


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"Leslie" <[email]> wrote in message
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That's what I thought. How tiring to be on eggshells all the time and not be
yourself.


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WoW thanks for all the advice...;-))

Now I feel kinda bad, like i was ripping on DH...because he IS very good
to me, and we get along so good....BUT its just when I dont agree with
him on something, it just seems like he wants everything HIS
way,,,UNLESS it is something that he TRUELY does not care about, then he
will let me think i made that decision...LOL.....
He did get WAY worse after we married!!!!
but all in all, he does treat me good......and its really hard to
explain how he is...because he does not think he is king [email] is
just very set in his ways....and if it has something to do with his
kids.....i usually do not have any say what so ever!
but like i said...he is very good to me..but when it comes to chloe's
well being then I DO speak up, and hes not used to that!

heres a small example: today we were at the church, ( we are kinda
active in the church ) and his 7 yo. told me the other day, that she IS
NOT going to sunday school OR vacation bible school because you do NOT
learn anything and it is so boring, and she is NOT GOING!!!!
soI told him how she felt and he somehow twisted it around to make ME
look like the fool...he said, in a cocky tone  i
dont know ANY child who would say that they LIKE sunday school and
I said  hey, i'm just letting you know what she said and how she
feels
and then he kinda caught himself...and said SHE WILL GO  and
it was case closed!

things like that are NOT worth a fight...just my baby's safety..;-))

thanks for all the advice...;-))

http://www.growingfamily.com/webnursery/babypage_view.asp?URLID=9T8S0V9F5G


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Leslie wrote:

:-)  I've never purchased a TV in my life.  I think my dh would move out
before he'd give up a TV though so I've had one for the past 10 years.
Another guy (men and their TV's) hated to even visit me without a TV in
college so he brought an old clunker over.  You had to stick a pen and a
pliers in the side of the thing to change the channel, lol.  I watch TV at
night some but I hardly ever watch anything during the day/evening.

Anyway - In the car I can read if it is quiet and I like to daydream if it
is quiet.  I do play those car games and stuff because I feel obligated but
really I'd rather just be left alone so I'd use the TV as a babysitter.  Bad
me!  I don't care much for traveling when the idea is to get to place B.  It
is different if the travel is actually part of the trip, where one stops to
do various activities along the way.

We read aloud in the car, have

I'm sure they'll survive and be better off for it!!  I really don't like
playing those games though.  I think the TV is really for me - not them.
Not so that I can watch it but so that I don't have to talk to anyone.
Shhh, don't tell ;-)


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I keep trying to get jeff to have us become amish or something meninite but
he wont;)  I said meninite so we could still have a computer... hehe

Tori


author: Cathy Weeks

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Marie <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Call us stupid, then, because we have one. When you live 18 hours by
car from your nearest relatives, then videos are a really nice luxury,
and make the monotony of a long drive much easier.

Cathy Weeks
Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01


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Marie wrote:

Heh heh, people keep mentioning books...  For me, books and cars are a
sure ticket to puke city.  ;-)  As a kid, I just stared out the window
and used my imagination.  I couldn't stare at anything inside the car,
or I would be in puke city.


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"Christine" <[email]> wrote in message
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WoW thanks for all the advice...;-))

Now I feel kinda bad, like i was ripping on DH...because he IS very good
to me, and we get along so good....BUT its just when I dont agree with
him on something, it just seems like he wants everything HIS
way,,,UNLESS it is something that he TRUELY does not care about, then he
will let me think i made that decision...LOL.....
He did get WAY worse after we married!!!!
but all in all, he does treat me good......and its really hard to
explain how he is...because he does not think he is king [email] is
just very set in his ways....and if it has something to do with his
kids.....i usually do not have any say what so ever!
but like i said...he is very good to me..but when it comes to chloe's
well being then I DO speak up, and hes not used to that!

heres a small example: today we were at the church, ( we are kinda
active in the church ) and his 7 yo. told me the other day, that she IS
NOT going to sunday school OR vacation bible school because you do NOT
learn anything and it is so boring, and she is NOT GOING!!!!
soI told him how she felt and he somehow twisted it around to make ME
look like the fool...he said, in a ''cocky tone'' '' i
dont know ANY child who would say that they LIKE sunday school'' and
I said '' hey, i'm just letting you know what she said and how she
feels''
and then he kinda caught himself...and said ''SHE WILL GO '' and
it was case closed!

things like that are NOT worth a fight...just my baby's safety..;-))

thanks for all the advice...;-))

http://www.growingfamily.com/webnursery/babypage_view.asp?URLID=9T8S0V9F5G

All the kids that I know of at my church like sunday school.. since VBS is
an optional thing in the summer only 1 week dont know why anyone would not
like that.. though I have honnestly never gone to VBS.. Never heard of it
til I got married and started to go to the church I go to now.  Besides you
learn all sorts of stuff in Sunday school.. For instance did you know that
Saul and Paul are the same person!  Lol  I taught kindergarden sunday school
this year and learned plenty;)

Tori