author: Gary Brown

subject: Any Software Signals Generators Available?

text:
Hi,

I need a signal generator to test an audio amplifier.  My laptop is
available for generating audio signals.  Is there software or a
set of .WAV files available to generate sine waves and square
waves singly and in combination?

Thanks,
Gary


author: Dr. Gerhart Hlawatsch

subject: Re: Any Software Signals Generators Available?

text:
Look here: http://www.telebyte.com/pioneer/
or there: http://www.soundtechnology.com/download-center.htm
for shareware sound analyzers using the PC sound card. The generator is only part of a lot of other functions. IMO you should get along with with all the trial version. I haven't used it since a couple of years.
Greetings, Gerhart

Gary Brown schrieb:


author: Terry Pinnell

text:
"Gary Brown" <[email]> wrote:

Try http://www.dogstar.dantimax.dk/testwavs/
which has the following intro:

=================================
Audio Test Files
Fred Nachbaur, May 2002

These files may be of use for audio testing purposes. Except as noted,
they are in standard Windows "wav" format. Short descriptive text
items are included within the wav files, in case you have a wav
player/editor capable of reading them (such as CoolEdit).

All samples are ten seconds long, except as noted. Most can be
concatenated if needed, since all are set to begin and end on
zero-cross.

Where applicable, the zip files also contain a .png image of the
spectrograph or spectrogram of the corresponding wav file.
=================================


author: dgm

text:
"Gary Brown" <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Hi Gary

you could use LT Spice, available for free from www.linear.com for
this.

See the example waveout.asc which should cover pretty much exactly
what you want to do for the single square or sine waves, and a simple
adder with an ideal op amp and appropraite sources will get you any
combination you want.

cheers

David


author: Andy Peters

text:
"Gary Brown" <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

These things are pretty neat:
http://www.dazyweblabs.com/shannonsoft/page3.html


author: Rolavine

text:
You can do this with the Cool Edit program, that should be free somewhere on
the net, do a search.


author: Sir Gilligan Horry

subject: Sir Gilligan Horry is in Love...

text:
Sir Gilligan Horry is in Love...

http://instaview.me/268360777592908363_7631193/

I had a very vivid dream about a new restaurant last night.

The dream was so vivid, I just drew it all on an A4 paper.

Then I searched Google for a word told to me in the dream by the owner
of the restaurant, and I found that photo.

I'm in Love.

________________________________________

__________________

Alt Alien Research Intelligence Agency Official Admiral Wizzard.
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Best Aliens UFOs Videos Proof Evidence...
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Aliens UFOs Extraterrestrials Videos Documentaries...
http://YouTube.com/JimsSpaceAgency

Documentary "WATER" ... by Saida Medvedeva.
Beautiful Documentary ...
http://www.voiceentertainment.net/movies/watermovie.html

Double UFOblow!! Triple UFOblow!!! ALIENSblow Dr. Steven M. Greer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMzDpC4-liQ

"Project Mothership" UFOs Aliens Proof Evidence...
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subject: Re: Sir Gilligan Horry is in Love...

text:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:38:18 +1300, Sir Gilligan Horry
<[email]> wrote:

The word the owner of the new restaurant kept saying to me was...

"Latette" or "Latet".

P.S.
But it's amazing how vivid the dream was.
The restaurant seemed Italian and/or French.
It was new here in Canterbury, New Zealand.
And the staff were Oriental.

And it's amazing that it was just a vivid movie in my mind.

I just drew the tables, the views, the room, the furniture, the
gardens, the decor and colors, I remember the owners face,
and the architecture.

_________________________________________

__________________

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Best Aliens UFOs Videos Proof Evidence...
http://BestAliensUFOsVideos.blogspot.com

Aliens UFOs Extraterrestrials Videos Documentaries...
http://YouTube.com/JimsSpaceAgency

Documentary "WATER" ... by Saida Medvedeva.
Beautiful Documentary ...
http://www.voiceentertainment.net/movies/watermovie.html

Double UFOblow!! Triple UFOblow!!! ALIENSblow Dr. Steven M. Greer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMzDpC4-liQ

"Project Mothership" UFOs Aliens Proof Evidence...
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author: HVAC

subject: Re: Sir Gilligan Horry is in Love...

text:
On 10/11/2012 2:38 PM, Sir Gilligan Horry wrote:

Scan it. Post link.

--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo .. 变亮
http://www.richardgingras.com/tia/images/tia_logo_large.jpg


author: Dave Patton

subject: Re: Which is the most accurate format?

text:
Dave <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

Well, I just did a "quick search" on Google Groups.
In fact, I did two - one using the words:
  most accurate latitude format
and the other using words the original poster used:
  which format is more accurate latitude longitude
Both of these found a 35-posting thread from 2000
that's on-topic :-)


author: UTILSEA

subject: Re: Which is the most accurate format?

text:
Strange ?..
it's very easly if you use (D)DDMM.mmm
the accuracy is about  (in meters).
1852*10e-n (where n is how many dï¿½cimals are displayed)

for a format (D)DD.ddddd
 (1852*60)*10e-n

for (D)DDMMSS.sssss
(1852/60)*10e-n

for sample if you use a format like (D)DDMM.mmm your accuracy is
1852*10e-3  = 1.852 meters

Regards


author: Stichting ST

subject: Re: Which is the most accurate format?

text:
On 02 Mar 2003 18:09:27 GMT, [email] (UTILSEA) wrote:

That is very litte grainage.
I always use the local grid of a country. Here in Europe most are metric in
meters. (just like UTM can be)
So I have points like:
093397,787 E 463353,097 N
with the comma being decimal. So this position is given to the millimeter.
 (mostly professionals manage a 25 mm 90% accuracy
)
My Garmin GPS12 gives in local grid mode on-screen the position in meters.

The same notational accuracy you have with earth-centered Cartesian
coordinates in metric. Things like 3909377.002 X 306783.897 y 5013438.936 Z

Piet


subject: OK

text:
OK

_____________________________________________

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http://BestAliensUFOsVideos.blogspot.com

Aliens UFOs Extraterrestrials Videos Documentaries...
http://YouTube.com/JimsSpaceAgency

Documentary "WATER" ... by Saida Medvedeva.
Beautiful Documentary ...
http://www.voiceentertainment.net/movies/watermovie.html

Double UFOblow!! Triple UFOblow!!! ALIENSblow Dr. Steven M. Greer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMzDpC4-liQ

"Project Mothership" UFOs Aliens Proof Evidence...
http://ProjectMotherShip.medianewsonline.com
http://BestUFOVideosOnYouTube.site11.com
http://ProjectMotherShip.webng.com
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author: Brian E. Clark

subject: Re: OK

text:
In article <[email]>,
[email] says...

Okapi.

--
-----------
Brian E. Clark


author: Helmut Wabnig

subject: Re: OK

text:
On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 00:18:11 +1300, Sir Gilligan Horry
<[email]> wrote:

Agree.
The Aliens are cuming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3QgCkeQano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY8m5X0WctQ

w.


subject: Re: OK

text:
On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 00:18:11 +1300, Sir Gilligan Horry
<[email]> wrote:

Agree.
The Aliens are cuming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3QgCkeQano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY8m5X0WctQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhd5bDuJKsc

And thea are already here, been seen, do you see?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ratTxnFJqEc

w.


author: pete johnson

subject: two dentists

text:
I have word that Mark Bunker has been arrested in Chicago. The details
seem sketchy, so I am posting a transcript of a telephone call from the
two dentists who accompanied Mark to the Chicago org, where he was to film
a refund of over $200,000.

-----

The following is a transcript of a phone call between "Shukaido" (a
Milwaukee-based Scientology critic), and "B", a Chicago dentist and former
Scientologist.  "B" and her husband (also a dentist) have been attempting
to obtain a refund from the Church of Scientology in Chicago, and have
reportedly been barred from entering the building to fill out the
paperwork in the past.  Mark Bunker, a producer for XenuTV was on hand
with his video camera to record the events, which were supposed to include
a police escort to facilitate their entrance into the building.

According to Mark Bunker, the Chicago Police had advised him to call 911
at 7:20 Central time, and a police cruiser would be sent to escort "B" and
her husband to the 7:30 meeting, which had been arranged in advance with
staff at the Scientology Org.

At 8:36 PM, I received a telephone call from Jim Beebe in Chicago,
advising me that Mark Bunker had been arrested.  After calling Stacy
Brooks (an executive at the Lisa McPherson Trust in Clearwater, Florida),
I called Mark's cell phone number; the call was answered by "B".

-Shukaido

===

Tuesday, January 25, 2000 approx. 8:43pm.  This was a conversation between
B (on Mark's cell phone) and Shukaido (on his home phone) taped on a
digital answering machine with B's permission approx 15 seconds into the
phone call.

Recorded and edited by Shukaido Transcribed by Xenuchick

B:  [Shukaido]?

S:  Now just for the record, I do have your permission to record this?

B:  Yes

S:  So the Scientologists were staking out the front of the building?

B: So - when we were walking, we went to get out of the car to go to the
Org everyone was gone.

S:  Everyone had disappeared?

B:  Everyone had disappeared from the back of the building.

S: Ok

B:  We were walking up to the door, I was behind [my husband] and Mark was
behind me.  And I remember two guys in black jackets coming up and they
start grabbing Mark. They really roughed him up!  They grabbed his arms
and he started saying, "Who are you??" They tried to get the camera out of
his arms but he had a grip on it. They then said, "We're Chicago Cops" and
we said, "Where's your uniform? Where's your ID?"  and he said, "Forget it
lady, it doesn't matter who I am".  I said "Why are you doing this to him,
why are you pushing him around?" Then they knocked his cell phone to the
ground.

S: Ok

B: This whole time he was holding his camera, he wouldn't let go of his
camera.  He didn't provoke anything! We were only on the sidewalk, we
weren't even on their property. They told us to come for the meeting at
7:30 so we come to the meeting and they attack this guy for nothing.

S:  You didn't even get in the meeting before this happened?

B:  No, we were outside! We were standing away from the door, I'm behind
[my husband] and Mark was behind ME so he was WAY outside!

S:  Did you ever get any-were they cops, did you see any badges or-

B:  Well, finally the guy who had smart mouthed me showed me a badge and
the face was all rubbed off.  I said, "I don't believe this is you, your
face is all rubbed off"

S:  Did he get taken away in a cruiser?

[Break for answering machine recording.. it goes in 4 minute intervals]

S:  Did he get taken away in a police cruiser?

B:  No.. they were going to take him away and I said 'I want to see a
police car'. See, we'd called the police earlier and they told us to call
at 7:20 and they'd send a squad car

S:  Uh huh

B: So we called at 7:20 and there was no squad car yet, just these two
guys who came out of nowhere and just jumped him.

S:  Ok

B:  They didn't say we should call the police, they didn't tell us to get
off the property, they just jumped him!  We didn't know who he was! If he
would have said, "Turn it off, back up" that's fine he would have done it
but they just jumped him.  And they took the camera he had a cell phone on
and he was trying to call someone he said, "I wanna call my lawyer, I
wanna call somebody." And they said "You're going down, we're going to
lock you up and that's it". They wanted his camera and they were gonna
lock him up.  They never said 'turn off the camera, back up'.

S:  Do they have his camera?

B:  They have his camera.

S:  Do you know where he was taken?

B:  They went on Halstead and-where was that, [addressing her husband]
Ashland and Belmont

S:  Ashland and Belmont.

S:  Are you prepared to post bond or do we need to get someone there?

B:  I don't know how much bond would be, I mean, how do you post bond?

S:  They're talking about getting bond posted.  Uh-I need to get this
information back to Bob [Minton]. So this was completely unprovoked- Did
they ever say what they were arresting him for?

B:  I couldn't ask them, they said, "Lady it's not your business!" and I
said, ' It's my business I'm a citizen!' I said, ' He came with me, he
came with US. I'm concerned. I don't know if you're a real policeman so
I'm waiting for the real policemen to come the ones who are dressed in a
uniform with a car. So I now it's a cop!  So this other lady came,
(Schloss?) she was a scientist [Scientologist] and she was all on the side
of not our rights. She was on the side of the Scientology church, I think
it was a setup and they were paid by them. I don't know what's up but
there's something really fishy there!  I just said, 'Maam, why are you
taking him away? He didn't do anything, he was just coming with us?

S:  But did they ever say what he was being arrested for?

B:  Criminal trespassing. After-it took a long time to get them to tell
us.  And they said, "We're locking you up and we're taking your camera"

S:  Did he ever go on their property-Did he get that far?

B:  No. No he never did!

S:  How far did he get?

B:  He was-he was close to the street, not in the street but on the edge
of the sidewalk, towards the street.

S:  He was on the sidewalk about to cross the street?

[Break]

B:  No, [my husband] was close to the door, I was behind him and Mark was
behind me.  But he was-

S:  So was he in the parking lot?

B:  No, we were right in front of the Org. We were on the sidewalk, and we
were walking in front of the building to the door and he was filming so he
was closer to the street than to the door of the org because he was
filming all of us, he has to back up a little to get all of us.

S:  Ok

B:  They jumped him!

S:  Ok I'm going to call-I'm going to call Bob [Minton] again and let him
know that you have Mark's cell phone.

B: Yeah- well, I don't know how to use it. He wanted me to call, but I
don't know how to use it.  Yeah, my daughter does, we picked her up so-

S: Ok-

B:  What's your number?

S:  My number is [Deleted].  Are you guys ok? Did you go for your meeting?

B:  I didn't go inside because I said to the policeman that I knew, 'I'm
scared. What if they get me in there and never let me out? You saw how
they are, they are like really--- this all happened before the other squad
car came so they couldn't see how these other officers roughed them up.
You know?  So the lady said, "I'm going to listen to both sides of the
story. I want to hear their side".  So she heard the policeman's side. Who
knows?  They were paid. The lady (Pam?) from New York, she said they were
hired to protect them.  So we were hired by the org, and that's why they
jumped him.  So-they wanted us to come inside, they said, "We have a nice
warm place for you inside, you know, with a dictionary and blah blah blah"
Cuz she gave me the (not audible) and I said, "Well, I can't wait here cuz
I don't have a dictionary now do I? So I guess I won't find it." And she
said, "Well you can come inside, we have a nice warm---" and I said,
"Listen, don't tell me what to do. I'm not going to go inside, I don't
trust you people, I saw the kind of reception you had.  All you had to say
to this guy was don't come in.  That's all! You didn't have to do that!"

[Break in the tape- inaudible, but she is talking about being asked to
sign an agreement that indemnifies Scientology and all groups, including
The Marcus Group, a Scientology- friendly management consulting service,
against whom they have a lawsuit.]

B:  She said, "I want you to sign the waiver" I said, 'Look, do I look
like I was born yesterday?  I said, 'Ah, it says Scientology and all
affiliated groups, is that Marcus? We have a lawsuit against Marcus. You
think I'm going to sign this? Do you think I'm crazy? You'd better give me
all my money back.' She goes, "Well, [inaudible] to each other, Yes, we
botched it up-" and I said, 'Look just shut up, quit talking to me. I
don't even know you. You're another one. All of you with these big titles
who are here for one week and then I never see again. So as far as I'm
concerned, you're nothing to me.' So here we are standing outside in the
cold, freezing our asses off outside of the Scientology property if you
want to talk to me you can come over here and freeze your butt.' And she
said, "But it's cold, can't we go inside?" I said, 'I don't think so.' Cuz
I never went inside, I didn't know what to do.  I wanted to call Bob
[Minton] and ask him what I should do next! [laugh] You know.

S:  Well, I will let him know that you have Mark's cell phone. I'm going
to advise him of the situation---

B:  Yeah

S:  And we'll take it from there.  I don't want to run the battery any
more than I have to.

B:  Ok

S:  All right, I'll be in touch.

B:  All right

S:  All right, thank you, bye.

The following is a follow-up call made by "B" (on daughter's cell) to
Shukaido's home at 9:45pm

S:  Now clarify this for me, I've seen pictures of the org, there's a
sidewalk at the street, there's a parking lot and a sidewalk in front of
the building.

B:  There's no parking lot.

S:  There's no parking lot.

B:  No, there's just parking on the street.

S:  Ok.  But he never went off the sidewalk, he never went on private
property.

B:  No, he was on public property---

S:  Ok

B:  Because isn't a sidewalk public property? Yes.

S:  Yeah

B: Yeah, cuz he was on the edge of the sidewalk, close to the street
farthest away from their property.

S:  Was he walking down it or had he just stepped onto the sidewalk?

B:  We were walking to the door... we were walking to the front of the Org
to the door that is usually open.

S:  Mhmm

B:  And no one was out there to greet us and they usually are, and I
thought, Well, they aren't going to let us go in, but it was a setup
because [my husband] had his hands on the door to see if it was open I was
behind [my husband] and Mark was behind me, a few feet behind me to film
us and [inaudible] the door.  So he was not anywhere on their property, he
just had the video camera on.

S:  Mhmm

B:  And these two guys out of nowhere came and just jumped him. And he
said, "What are you doing, I'm just videotaping this." And they said, "Oh,
this is illegal" and I don't remember what else.  I hope they give us the
tapes back, do you think they will give us the tapes?

S:  Well.. they might use them as evidence, but I'm concerned over whether
or not they will be intact.

B:  Yeah-They might hold his camera too, right?

S:  I don't think they can justifiably hold the camera. I mean, it itself
is not evidence, but they might consider the tape as evidence.

B:  Yeah, well, they have the tape of [my husband] and I [Talking to
husband] --Maybe your whole tape is on it, the interview]

S:  I hope not.

B:  Well, I know part of our interview is on it.

[Break]

B:  Ok, I'll-we'll call you when you get him out, it won't be till real
late though---

S:  I just want to make sure he's ok.

B:  All right then, [Shukaido] thanks, bye

S:  Bye

= = =

Completed Tuesday, January 25th, 2000 at 11:44 PM CST.


author: Joel M. Eichen

subject: Re: two dentists

text:
"pete johnson" <[email]> wrote:

I love posts that start out like this. I think, "Who is this Mark
Bunker anyway? Is his dad Archie?"


subject: Re: two dentists

text:
"pete johnson" <[email]> wrote:

Hello!

I read it and there are questions.

(1) Refund of $200,000? For what? Does this have something to do with
the practice of dentistry? Just curious.

(2) Two dentists. I assume it has something to do with the practice of
dentistry. Otherwise it might say, two lawyers, two stockbrokers and
it might be posted at sci.med.lawyering (SML) or sci.med.gonnoffing
(SMG) insread of sci.med.dentistry (SMD).

Cheers,

Joel

----


subject: Re: two dentists

text:
"pete johnson" <[email]> wrote:

Joel replied:

Could I suggest a new title instead of,

Re: two dentists

Lessseee. How about,

"A Tale of Two Dentites," by Charles Slickins'


author: Mark

subject: Molecular mechanics visualization software?

text:
Can someone recommend inexpensive (approx $100) software for the
display of basic newtonian molecular mechanical models. Nothing
sophisticated like full simulation software just something to bring
the visiospatial imagery out of my mind and onto my monitor.

Does software like this even exist? Especially with pre-made models of
cellular and molecular systems? This would seem to be a potentially
powerful means of communicating ideas and knowledge.

TIA,
M Smith

-------
You are what you eat. I wish I was Britney Spears.


subject: Re: Molecular mechanics visualization software?

text:
Neeevermind everybody, I found something on my own @
http://www.accelrys.com/viewer/ . Looks interesting.

Does anybody know of sources of pre-made models of the various
molecules discussed most often in this news group? Anybody? Anybody?
Bueller?

M Smith

-------
Self-reliance is fun. ;O)

[email] (Mark) wrote in message news:<[email]>...


author: DS

text: If all you want to do is look at molecules, Try Rasmol.  Its free.


text:
DS <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Thanks, I found that one also. The Accrelrys ViewerLite is also free
and seems to be a bit more advanced than RasMol or the newer Protein
Eexplorer. And then there's the issue that I don't have Netscape
installed. :O/

M Smith

-------
This is a tribute to the best signature ever.


author: Don Guenter

subject: can anyone be 100% sure about what the SETI software is doing?

text:
Hi folks!
I've been running the seti-software for quite a while. ok, I fon't have
many WU's finished, but that's not the point anyway.
my friend once asked me how I could be so damn sure about whether the
software actually processes the data collected from a radio telescope in
puerto rico. what if the whole thing is just a load of bullshit and
someone (not naming anyone, sorry...;o) ) just spies out our HD, spies
out what we do when online? is anyone here in posession of the source
code and/or can tell exactly what the software is doing (and PROVE
this!)? isn't this worrying anyone?
I wrote a mail about this problem to the seti project people- no answer
yet. It's more than four weeks now that I wait for a reply..

suggestions anyone?

christian


author: Fred

subject: Re: can anyone be 100% sure about what the SETI software is doing?

text:
Paranoia is alive and well I see...

Fred

"Don Guenter" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


text:
how could I? just kiddin'
at least I'm taken a little serious by some people here. I suppose my sorrows are
without reason, since the berkeley institution IS trustworthy.
by the way, I know win98 was/is able to send back hardware information to redmond. I
don't use Outlook, and IE only in cases NS doesn't work or crashes my computer over
and over again. there's no VBscripting possible on my machine, and OF COURSE i have a
firewall. so I don't think I am stupid. paranoid maybe. or too careful. I'll still
check that seti-data and be careful about it.
thank ya guys. hope, this is not a big mind-f***

christian


author: Wilfried Kramer

text:
Don Guenter wrote:

Lawrence was so friendly to copy the part of the FAQ. Thanks

No, I'm not one of THEM, trust me!-)

I personally do not trust information from the net fullhearted. A lot of
people here post statements, some of them I can check with my own
knowledge. This gives me some assumptions about possible trust. But I
never would let people (or software from them) have access to my money.
Or the data controlling it. So on my computer the only value in the data
is the work I invested for the setup. This is the thing I risk to loose,
whenever I install a tool from the net. I know about this, and sometimes
I give it a go. Even my OS can send information back to Redmond,
whenever I'm online (ever heard of a worm named Hybris?). This could
cost me more headache than any other tool I install.

Hey, that sounds fine to me ;-)


author: Roger

text:
It doesn't matter what the software... be it the Operating system, or *any*
application, there is no way of knowing absolutely.

However the seti project has a good reputation and"to me" is far more
trustworthy than many of the "big" software companies.

Think of it this way...If you ever play a CD, or DVD on your computer, you
are letting what ever the record label put on the disk run loose in your
computer.  Many audio CDs have autorun programs included.  Believe me, I'm
far more comfortable letting seti@home run on my system(s) 24 X 7, than what
I might find after running a CD.

Roger Halstead (K8RI) www.RogerHalstead.com
N833R  World's Oldest Debonair? s# CD-2

"Don Guenter" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Jason Stone

text:
Why what do you have to hide -CITIZEN ???
WE AT THE BUREAU OF INFORMATION ARE JUST DOING OUR DUTY AND PROTECTING THE
STATE FROM THE MENACE OF COMMUNIST SUBVERSION

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED >>>

lol,LOL, rofl

"Don Guenter" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Dave Shiels

text:
here is a result that is sent back to seti.  THe info is pretty much
innocuius.  It just describes the results of running a bunch of FFTs
on the signal data.
Try using the following once on a a seti instance then look in the
result file.  All of the transmitted info is in there.

-stop_after_process
        If a work_unit.sah file is present, process this work unit
        and stop after processing is complete, do not return result.
        If the client is started with this option, and there is
        a completed result.sah file present, the client will first
        return the results, then pick up a new work unit, process
        to completion, then exit.

If you really want to get anal about it then get a some network sniff
software and look at the traffic that is returned.  It should match the
contenets of the results file.

Don Guenter wrote:


text:
Don Guenter wrote:

Why are you concerned about this?

| X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (Win98; U)

You use an entire operating system, and the source code is not publicly
available. How do you know what your processor is doing while you are
just sending this question to usenet?

Does anyone know a reasonable group to Followup-to, possibly in
alt.paranoid.* ?


text:
Don Guenter wrote:

No, I'm not, as you can see in my headers. I'm also using Windows at
several places.

You asked whether S@h would spy you. The program comes from a serious
institution, and I do not see any reason to be suspicious about this.
But if you are, you should be worried about the most likely problem. And
that is the operating system, completely apart from the browser or other
software you use.
Sorry, but I understood your question as a joke. Sounds to me like
preparing for a hit by a meteorite while standing in the floods of the
Mississippi in quite another actual danger.
BTW, the S@H website states the source is not public available, and
explains the reason why (URL not at hand in the moment).

And what will an answer in this group help you? If you think it is
possible Berkeley may be a danger to your privacy/secrets/..., why
should you trust any answer here? E.g. if I told you as the first
answer, "I have the source, and I carefully checked it, it is
trustworth", would you trust me? And why?


author: Carolyn

text:
Don Guenter <[email]> wrote in message

Why wonder when you can find out for sure what S@H is doing on your
computer.  Go to
http://www.clinicunderground.f2s.com/research.htm
and travel down to the "What is Seti doing" section to start the process of
finding out the "true" story.


author: Phil Smith

text:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:45:55 +0200, Don Guenter <[email]>
wrote:

You mean I'm really looking for aliens? I thought I was actually
helping Osama Bin Laden (sp?) perform the calculations neccesary  to
develop an atomic bomb


text:
Wilfried Kramer schrieb:

see, I couldn't find that statement. if I had found it, I'd probably not ask
here.

I'm nut sure what I'd have thought. that's indeed a problem, but I hoped this
forum here to be independent. so I'd trust you more than the berkeley institute.
of course, you're right, that I, not being able to trust bill gates, ask whether
I can trust berkeley. maybe I am really irrational. but maybe you're one of
"them" (me being paranoid... ;o) ) and I'm right. what's then? maybe the whole
thing is too large for me... I have no idea how to go on. just imagine we're
spied out. and the berkeley thing is a whole big conspiracy. sounds crazy, mad,
whatever. no one would believe it. that's why you don't. you're not supposed to
believe it. you may think I'm crazy, Wilfried, cause I'm talking like a crazy
horse, but maybe I'm not?

christian

P.S.: I wouldn't have trusted you.


text:
ok, so I'll look at that result file, if I'm not content, I'll report back.

see ya

Dave Shiels schrieb:


text:
Wilfried Kramer schrieb:

did I ever say I trust bill gates? at the time I bought this computer I
wasn't able (lacking knowledge) to use or install a linux system. and as for
wintel systems, there isn't a "safe" browser. but that's the risk I need to
take when going online. it's just the question whether I should donate my
computing power for something with a good name but a bad mind or not?

would you have answered differently if I were using a UNIX-system? are you
one of those wintel-haters/flamers/whatever? why are you so mad at me at the
first place? I'm serious, so I can't laugh about your "joke". call me
paranoid. I'd rather be paranoid and wrong than not caring about anything
and be "used".

christian


author: Monica Ladberg

text:
"Don Guenter" <[email]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[email]...

mad,
to

Aehm, Seti is already running for a quite long time.
Donï¿½t You think that someone, at least one person, would have
told and warned the others in here?
I donï¿½t dare to visit Microsoft-pages on internet, because of
the danger of them spying out my computer if I do that;
I have left an internet-provider, because (even when I got mail and
news and hadnï¿½t sent more data than the checksums) I regulary had
more "send byte" than "received bytes". I always asked myself, what
f***ing data was sent to them.. so I left them. ;) I donï¿½t use ICQ and
other security risks, though Win95 is a risk by itself.. :)
But I donï¿½t have time and nerves to learn Unix/Linux, I am fed up
with it doing my webdesign on Unix-servers... :)))

So I think, beeing neurotic isnï¿½t quite bad - not at this time, or
generally at working with computers.. but:
what use would Seti have from spying out users instead of space? ;)
And - why should Seti from now on do that?
I think that the official known reason sounds realistic. ;)

But all I can tell after 71 work-units (slow cpu):
Seti@home had no negative effects on my computer, no police
came to me by far, none of the people and friends, whom I know
and who all run Seti@home had negative things to tell..

But what you perhaps can do:
With my Amiga1200 I had a programm called "SnoopDos"... it
recorded all (!!!) things, which happened on that computer.
Every Ram-action (with the "Speicheradressenbereich"), every lib
which was load, every directory which was read, written, searched..
really everything! It was perfekt, when a programm wasnï¿½t running
properly or when one wanted to know, what a program is really
doing... perhaps there is a similar programm for Win95/98, too?

    good look,

             Smurfy


text:
"Don Guenter" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
ask
this
institute.

Ummmm...Let's back up here a moment...This is Usenet and anyone on here can
be anyone they want with the rest of us having little in the way of being
able to verify anyone else is who, or what they say they are.

If you are knowledgeable in a field and you follow someones posts for a
while, you get a feel for whether they are legit or not...but there are no
gurantees.  If you are not knowledgeable in a field there are many who could
baffle the best with BS

I'd place my trust in an institution such as Berkeley far sooner than any
individual I'd never met.

whether
of
whole
we're
mad,

If you want to be paranoid, install a firewall that reports every time the
computer receives a ping, or access request.   This is particularly true if
you are on a cable modem that stays connected all the time, or have a static
IP.  It's kind of disconcerting when you see an app like ZoneAlarm (a
firewall) come up and tell you there is a request from somewhere trying to
access your machine(s).

supposed to
crazy

Every time we get on the internet there are those who can see (if they want
to) just what we are doing.  Your ISP can monitor where you go, what you
send, and how much time you spent in the porno group, or what ever
newsgroup(s) you visit

Viruses can be sent via HTML. Scripts, and HTML can do all sorts of things
when you visit any particular site.\

Roger Halstead (K8RI) www.RogerHalstead.com
N833R  World's Oldest Debonair? s# CD-2


author: Lawrence van der Meer

text:
"Don Guenter" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
ask

http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/faq.html#q1.9

Why don't you release the source code?
We decided not to make source code available for security reasons and for
science reasons as well. We have to have everyone do the exact same
analysis, or we can't have any control over our research and be confident in
our results. We were also worried that there may be a few people that want
to deliberately try to screw up our database and server.


text:
Such thing as being too paranoid.

Fred

"Don Guenter" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


text:
Roger Halstead (K8RI) www.RogerHalstead.com
N833R  World's Oldest Debonair? s# CD-2

"Don Guenter" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
for
to

Linux systems are no longer safe either.
Several access points have been revealed in the past couple of months.
Check the Semantic and LINUX sites.

Roger (K8RI)

the


author: netcat

text:
Roger wrote:

a misconfigured system (or one with known bugs unpatched) is never safe.
neither is one with a lazy/stupid/inexperienced sysadmin.

what was your point again?

rgds,
netcat


author: Archimedes Plutonium

subject:
Chapt2 Infinity-borderband 10^600 through 10^603; not borderline #799
 Correcting Math 3rd ed

text:
Alright, I have one last piece to refine to finish off this algebra
proof.

The proof that uses the smallest constant-multiplicative-series:

(1+1/n) x  (1+1/n) x  (1+1/n) x ..x (1+1/n) = n

It is not a borderline at 10^603 because we have to go to 10^606 to
solve for 10^603.

So we drop down to 10^600. (ln 10^600) is 1383.853

(ln 10^603) is 1390.761

So that the band for the Border of Infinity starts at 10^600 and goes
to 1.383*10^603

So Infinity is a BorderBand not a Borderline.

But I need to show how 10^600 to 10^603 is a unique first and that say
10^596 to 10^599
do not work.

I need to show that angles work for 10^600 to 10^603 and not something
previous.

I should not imagine that this is going to be difficult to show,
because pi is evenly divisible by 120 (Old Math 360 degrees) starting
at 10^600, and pi was not evenly divisible prior to 10^600 through
10^603. So I do not expect this chore to be that difficult.

In New Math pi ends with its 603rd digit rightwards and pi is a
Rational Number. Pi no longer is transcendental and we toss out all
transcendental and irrational numbers on the scrap or dumpheap of
math.

So what I need to show, then, is that pi with these 603 digits
rightward of the decimal point
is evenly divisible by 2pi--radians at 10^600 through 10^603 and
incapable of that feat before 10^600 simultaneously fulfilling that
equation in that bandwidth of 10^600 through 10^603:

(1+1/n) x  (1+1/n) x  (1+1/n) x ..x (1+1/n) = n

I am wondering whether the Fibonacci sequence in the region of 10^600
through 10^603 may offer a shortcut? In that we can mark a full-
circuit line in the logarithmic spiral and show this specialness of
the region 10^600 through 10^603.

Archimedes Plutonium
http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies


subject:
Re: Chapt2 Infinity-borderband 10^600 through 10^603; not borderline
 #800 Correcting Math 3rd ed

text:
On Aug 15, 1:05 pm, Archimedes Plutonium
<[email]> wrote:

Now correct me if I am wrong, but if we used the Logarithmic Spiral to
prove that 10^600 through 10^603 is special and delivers the algebra
equation:

(1+1/n) x  (1+1/n) x  (1+1/n) x ..x (1+1/n) = n

And satisfies the angles of trigonometry that 2pi is a full circuit.
Then would that not make the Log-Spiral at Infinity be a circle and no
longer a log-spiral?

The reason I ask is that we can imagine the Rectangle of Whirling
Squares for the log-spiral and that 4 squares make a circuit and each
square is a 1/4 circle.

So that at Infinity with pi being 603 digits with a "2" digit at
10^-600 and a "0" digit at 10^-601 and a "0" digit at 10^-602 and
another "0" digit at 10^-603. So in those four quarter circles, all of
them would be the same and thus a circle at Infinity. This is easier
to visualize of the log-spiral from 0 to 1 rather than the log-spiral
for 0 out to 10^603.

This is a feat that 10^-596 through 10^-599 could not perform.

And it rather makes sense that once a Log-Spiral reaches Infinity it
no longer remains logarithmic but turns into a full circle.

Now I wonder if Projective Geometry has a proof that a Log-Spiral at
Infinity turns into a circle? It would be a nice supporting evidence.
I would hazard to guess Projective Geometry does have such.

Archimedes Plutonium

http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom

where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies


author: [redacted]

text:
On Aug 15, 2:34 pm, Archimedes Plutonium
<[email]> wrote:

Relax, Archie. You are a way beyond being wrong or being right.


author: OM

subject: Re: News: Russian space official proposes $ 2-billion manned moon landing program

text:
On 25 Nov 2005 18:39:18 -0800, "Rusty" <[email]>
wrote:

"...To which one long-standing member of the Duma was heard to
respond, 'Didn't we hear this same promise and price back in the
60's?'"

				OM


author: Jochem Huhmann

subject:
Re: News: Russian space official proposes $ 2-billion manned moon
 landing program

text:
OM <om@all_spammers_WILL_burn_in_hell.com> writes:

"... and almost did it"?

        Jochem


author: Herb Schaltegger

subject: Re: News: Russian space official proposes $ 2-billion manned moon  landing program

text:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:24:21 -0600, Jochem Huhmann wrote
(in article <[email]>):

WTF?  Or in your alternate reality, did the N-1 actually make more than
. . . um, ZERO . . . successful flights?


author: Dave Michelson

subject:
Re: News: Russian space official proposes $ 2-billion manned moon
  landing program

text:
Herb Schaltegger wrote:

They key word is "almost," I suppose.  The N-1 didn't fly, but the rest
of the spacecraft did, and some parts, in modified form, did fly to the
moon, albeit unmanned, and still fly to this day, to ISS.  IIRC, some of
the N-1 upper stages were used, in modified form by Proton and Sea
Launch.  The folks who did their part of the job on the manned
spacecraft and upper stages must have been horribly disappointed when
the booster folks had their problems....


author: Pat Flannery

text:
Dave Michelson wrote:

The LK lander actually seems to have worked quite well on its unmanned
orbital tests.

Pat


author: Nomen Nescio

subject: Re: False identities or something more disturbing?

text:
From: Daniel <babylon@usa>

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Dragonblaze <[email]> wrote:

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In reality, the desperation by Anti-Christian Atheist government-
shills who've been chronically trolling these popular unmoderated
usenet newsgroups in abjectly failed attempts to obfuscate, divert,
confuse or otherwise defuse *Non-Atheist* freespeech, particularly
that of the Judeo-Christian variety, unto desperation, fear, panic
and unconscious *signals* that this Antichristian-Atheist world is
doomed to Global annihilation amid the worst holocaust, world-wide
tribulation, Armageddon and the end of the world: forcing each one
of the Antichrists into Death and Hell, imprisoned into dark Limbo
eternal, as Jesus Christ returns with the Dark clouds to Dominate
the earth wholly with His Ecclesia: as many who _believe_ in Him,
that He is Jesus the Christ: Son of the living God, ergo the Rock
of Ages! Thus the gospel of Christ-crucified unites all believers
faithfully and resolutely against their Antichrist Atheist empire.
regardless if they're "fundies", or perhaps only slightly less so
because in the Light all men do learn, develop & grow spiritually
forever and ever ad infinitum, regardless of race, creed or color
(unconscious signals from within remind Atheists they are DAMNED).

Atheists cannot defeat the Light, but can only be forced by angels
who preside over Hell into the abyssal of Damnation, Perdition and
eternal shame, upon everlasting contempt. That's their sole reward.
Prepare for the end. The demise of this world looms on the horizon.
Even now, they have a Judas in their midst very close to the belly
of the beast, one American Judas who betrays their In God We Trust
to be crucified & resurrected into Perdition excruciated day, also
night, in saecula saeculorum "secular" in-deed and in-fact. Indeed
when the hour of her Judgment comes, afar off the world will stand
in fear saying "The bigger they are, the harder they fall!" Fallen
*HARD* she shall, harder than any empire preceding nor ever likely
proceeding her upon God's planet Earth! Fallen forcing eleutherian
liberty unconditional, grand jubilee international, the Acceptable
Year of the LORD manifest to exactitude: every slate, skor, credit
and debit wiped clean universally. From heaven Kronos is unchained...

In Vigilance,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/

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author: Sabrina

subject: How do I "tame" my chicken and geese?

text:
I finally made my dream come true and got myself some chickens and 2
geese.
After reading everything I could find I set up 2 nice houses with
pond-
The chicken and geese are happy and healty- They roam free on 1 fenced
acre and go back to their houses at dusk.
What I wonder is , how do I get them so tame that they won't panic
when I come close? I got some chickens at 1 week age and kept them
inside until they were around 2 months- The others I bought as adults-
I can get some but I have to corner them to pick them up and check on
them.
The rooster panics when I come close. I got them as adults.
The geese are from a free- range farmer who kept them for 4 months.
My aunt in Germany has geese who follow her like dogs.
I know some people are as "nuts" as I am and have pet-fowl. I heard
stories about chickens jumping on people's lab and such.
Do I need a special breed or get them at 1 day age?
Thanks for your help.
Sabrina


subject: Re: How do I "tame" my chicken and geese?

text:
Sabrina:
Spend time with them.  Get a low seat and sit in with them, offering bits of
goodies from your hands.  Catch them now and again and sit with them in your
lap, petting and talking to them so they learn that you are not an evil
predator.
The ones you work with the most will surprise you and just come up into your
lap on their own eventually.  Today one of my teenage girls hopped onto my
arm as I was reaching for one of the others.  You will have a ball!


author: Jerry D. Jones

text:
Hi, Sabrina,

Just wanted to second what Roz said. Patience is the key - it will come.


author: Clucker

text:
Jerry D. Jones <[email]> wrote in message
news:cL657.334$[email]...

Also seconded - also, the more time you spend with them, the more used to
you they'll get. Just sitting in their area with a cup of /glass of <insert
favourite beverage here> and a book works really well, and works even better
if there's tasty chicken treats scattered around your feet.
Good luck, and enjoy their antics!


author: Tim Shoppa

subject: Knife switch, anyone, anyone?

text:
I'm looking for a good old-fashioned mongo DPDT knife switch. Like, 4
inches across if possible.

Radio Shack sells a modern teeny styrene one but in my head the it
should somehow be big and heavy, thick bakelite or even better
ceramic.

Are these in current use anywhere in the electrical trade, or just
collector's items?


subject: Re: Knife switch, anyone, anyone?

text:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:11:24 -0800, Tim Shoppa
<[email]> wrote:

I still see these in hardware stores every now and again.

Tom


author: LVMarc

subject: Re: Knife switch, anyone, anyone?

text:
Tim Shoppa wrote:
Tim,

Will search classic ee oldies stash and report.  I do beleive I have
what I call a Frankenstein switch.

Marc


author: legg

subject: Re: Knife switch, anyone, anyone?

text:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:11:24 -0800, Tim Shoppa
<[email]> wrote:

Look inside mains disconnect wall boxes, You'll see DPST knife switch
construction. Or do you really want a vanity device?

RL


author: Michael Black

subject: Re: Knife switch, anyone, anyone?

text:
Tim Shoppa ([email]) writes:
Can't you make one with a large hacksaw blade, and the wooden handle
from a skipping rope?  I'm not sure what you'd use for the clips part,
maybe bits of a fuse holder pressed together.

I'm sure it's the sort of thing that was described in the old books
for boys about electricity.

  Michael


author: Prepair Ltd

subject: Re: Knife switch, anyone, anyone?

text:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:51:09 -0800, Tom2000 <[email]> wrote:

They were in regular us in Spain of all places, we have a selection displayed on
our home website:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Switchboard/Generator.htm

Although most ours are new, we don't have any 'spares' for sale, but if you need
one and nothing else will do, have a look on ebay  http://www.ebay.es  (Spain)

Peter


author: Al

subject: Re: Knife switch, anyone, anyone?

text:
In article <V2GYi.4228$[email]>, LVMarc <[email]>
wrote:

http://scientificsonline.com/Product.asp?pn=3038806&sid=google&cm_mmc=goo
gle-_-cpc-_-edmu-_-knifeswitch&bhcd2=1194618408

has them for $3 to $4.

Al


author: Ilya S. Kuprov

subject: Re: I'm stuck!

text:
Why, sci.chem.student.homeworks
will be a perfectly popular newsgroup...

(:-)

Ilya S. Kuprov


author: Uncle Al

subject: Re: I'm stuck!

text:
"Peteï¿½ Byrne" wrote:

PV=nRT  P-chem book, under "pycnometer."


author: Dr. Dickie

subject: Re: I'm stuck!

text:
In article <UiRt5.9932$[email]>,
  "Peteï¿½ Byrne" <[email]> wrote:
in my
results to
The most likely cause would be the value that you are using for R, since
 the question has pressure in Pa, make sure that all your units cancel
(dimensional analysis?), that way you can be sure you have the correct R
value. Work it out long hand on a piece of paper, not all in the
calculator.


subject: Re: I'm stuck!

text:
We Industry Chemists can always tell when a new semester starts by reading the
homework problems tha suddenly appear here ...

In the Village ....
I am not a number ... I am a free man !!!!


author: dmitrey

subject: MIT replaces studying Scheme by Python language

text:
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, lead USA technical institute,
now uses Python instead of Scheme for its undergraduate CS program

link:
http://blog.snowtide.com/2009/03/24/why-mit-now-uses-python-instead-of-scheme-for-its-undergraduate-cs-program

some comments:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=530605

Some scientific software, Python-written and/or with Python API:
http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=browse&show=all&c=385
http://scipy.org/Topical_Software

Also, maybe, you will be interested in my 2 cents about using Python
for scientific/engeneering purposes:
http://openopt.org/Python_For_Scientific_Engineering

Regards, Dmitrey


subject: Re: MIT replaces studying Scheme by Python language

text:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:47:35 -0700 (PDT), dmitrey
<[email]> wrote:

End of MIT as we know it.

A.L.


text:
See also:
Google intends to speed up Python in 5x times
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/google-launches-project-to-boost-python-performance-by-5x.ars

On Mar 25, 2:47 pm, dmitrey <[email]> wrote:


text:
On Mar 27, 11:12 pm, A.L. <[email]> wrote:

I have scribed it mere FYI, I guess some people will more likely
switch to Python as programming language for scientific/engineering
purposes knowing the facts mentioned above.
Did you really think I have wrote it to waste my time for a holy war?
(Python vs Scheme vs something else)
D.


author: Paul Rubin

text:
A.L. wrote:

Face it -- they went downhill the moment they stopped using FORTRAN.  :-)


text:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:05:29 -0700 (PDT), dmitrey
<[email]> wrote:

So what?...

A.L.


text:
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:41:36 -0700 (PDT), dmitrey
<[email]> wrote:

Yes, I think that this is wrong group for such disscussion, including
first post about MIT and Sscheme. From OR perspective, all this is
totally irrelevant

A.L.


text:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:10:13 -0400, Paul Rubin <[email]> wrote:

End of Scheme means end of SICP (Structure and Interpretation of
Computer Programs), THE most ambitious introductory course for CS ever
developed.

For me, this means that QUALITY standards are replaced by QUANTITY
standards. MIT becomes as good as University of Paparazoo.

A.L.


author: Pentcho Valev

subject: VARIABLE SPEED OF LIGHT FROM AUTHORITY

text:
The variability of the speed of light has become a dangerous topic and
relativity hypnotists have been avoiding it for some time. Only
relativity zombies are still defending constancy by combining words
like "velocity", "speed", "locally", "globally" etc. So it is
necessary to show how hypnotists discussed variable speed of light
long time ago, when the topic was not so dangerous:

Steve Carlip wrote in sci.physics.research on Aug 1, 1997:
Anthony F. Badalamenti wrote:
: In 1907 Einstein wrote the following in "On The Influence Of
: Gravitation On The Propagation Of Light":

:      "From the proposition which has just been proved, that
:       the velocity of light in the gravitational field is a
:       function of the place..."

: Einstein is referring to the speed of light at this point, not its
: direction.

The problem here comes from the fact that "speed" is a coordinate-
dependent quantity, and is therefore somewhat ambiguous.  To determine
speed---distance/time---you must first choose some standards of
distance and time, and different choices can give different answers.
This is already true in special relativity: if you measure the speed
of light in an accelerating reference frame, the answer will, in
general, differ from c. In special relativity, the speed of light is
constant when measured in any *inertial* frame.  In general
relativity, the appropriate generalization is that the speed of light
is constant in any freely falling reference frame (in a region small
enough that tidal effects can be neglected). In this passage, Einstein
is not talking about a freely falling frame, but rather about a frame
at rest relative to a source of gravity.  In such a frame, the speed
of light can differ from c, basically because of the effect of gravity
(spacetime curvature) on clocks and rulers.
Steve Carlip
[email]
______________________________________________________________________________

Zombies should first answer the following questions (hypnotists will
remain silent):

1. Does the speed of light "differ from c" in accordance with
Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2)?

2. Is the gravitational frequency shift factor (1+V/c^2) due to the
fact that the speed of light "differs from c"?

Pentcho Valev


author: John Jones

subject: PENTCHO VALEV STOP CROSSPOSTING TO SCI LOGIC no-one there is INTERESTED

text: On Apr 24, 10:04�am, Pentcho Valev <[email]> wrote:


author: Eric Gisse

subject: Re: VARIABLE SPEED OF LIGHT FROM AUTHORITY

text:
On Apr 24, 1:04 am, Pentcho Valev <[email]> wrote:

[...]

Is your life that empty?


author: The Ghost In The Machine

text:
In sci.logic, Pentcho Valev
<[email]>
 wrote
on 24 Apr 2007 02:04:19 -0700
<[email]>:

I'm assuming you mean "speed of light in vacuo" -- lightspeed is easily
proven variable by a simple prism.  Of course, that prism isn't exactly
vacuous.

In any event, you are welcome to explain the creation of the tau lepton
by two electrons by using variable lightspeed theory.  Bear in mind that
the two electrons, since they were accelerated using magnetic fields,
cannot possibly go faster than light (at least, as far as most non-SR
characterizations of the problems put it).

(Hint: m_t / m_e = 3477 or thereabouts.)

[rest snipped]

Followups.


author: Cliff

subject: The Most Dangerous Global Warming Deniers in the World

text:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/10/most-dangerous-global-warming-deniers-world.php
  "... --the scientific evidence has only grown stronger,  ..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/22/most-dangerous-global-war_n_330614.html
  The worst of the worst.
  "The contenders are below."


author: Beryl

subject: Re: The Most Dangerous Global Warming Deniers in the World

text:
Cliff wrote:

Statisticians reject global cooling
<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091026/ap_on_sc/us_sci_global_cooling>

Global warming skeptics engaged in
"a concerted strategy to obfuscate and generate confusion in the minds
of the public and policymakers" - Ben Santer, climate scientist at the
Department of Energy's Lawrence Livermore National Lab


author: Bill Ward

text:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:04:02 -0400, Cliff wrote:

solar_variability/solanki2004-ssn.txt

Moberg seems to think it's relevant:

"According to our reconstruction, high temperatures - similar to those
observed in the twentieth century before 1990- occurred around AD 1000 to
1100, and minimum temperatures that are about 0.7K below the average of
1961-90 occurred around AD 1600. This large natural variability in the
past suggests an important role of natural multicentennial variability
that is likely to continue. "


author: Eric Gisin

text:
Sure fire way to show everyone you are fucking insane:
1. cross post to irrelevant groups.
2. use treehugger, huffingtonpost, or guardian as sources.

"Cliff" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Bruce Richmond

text:
On Oct 23, 2:00 pm, Cliff <[email]>
wrote:

The dickheads can't even read right.  They have "only 57% feel that
global warming is worth worrying about"

The source of that 57% says "The latest national survey by the Pew
Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Sept. 30-Oct. 4
among 1,500 adults reached on cell phones and landlines, finds that
57% think there is solid evidence that the average temperature on
earth has been getting warmer over the past few decades."

Believing warming exists and believing it is a problem are two
different things.  Whether the warming was a problem was asked as a
seperate question.  The same source also mentions that only 36% think
the warming is due to human activity.

http://people-press.org/report/556/global-warming


author: tunderbar

subject: Re: The Most Dangerous Global Warming Alarmists in the World

text:
On Oct 23, 1:00 pm, Cliff <[email]>
wrote:

The most dangerous climate alarmists in the world:

Al Gore, James Hansen, the IPCC, not necessarily in that order.

But you knew that already.


author: Frank

text:
Cliff wrote:

Actually the evidence has grown weaker.  Most reliable satellite data
shows cooling over the past 10 years.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: One of The Most Dangerous Global Warming Alarmists in the World

text:
On Jun 24, 6:38 am, Cliff <[email]>
wrote:

Ø How about 3 graduate degrees including
    physics. You should not throw stones when
    your house is made of glass.

    Your posts show abysmal ignorance. That is
     the home of fascist jackasses like you.

—— ——
There are three types of people that you
can_not_talk_into_behaving_well. The
stupid, the religious fanatic, and the evil.

1- The stupid aren't smart enough to follow the
    logic of what you say. You have to tell them
    what is right in very simple terms. If they do
    not agree, you will never be able to change
    their mind.

2- The religious fanatic: If what you say goes
    against their religious belief, they will cling to
    that belief even if it means their death.

3- There is no way to reform evil- not in a
    million years. There is no way to convince

    the anthropogenic_global_warming_alarmists,

    the terrorists, serial killers, paedophiles, and

    predators to change their evil ways, They
    knew what they were doing was wrong, but
    knowledge didn't stop them. It only made
    them more careful in how they went about
    performing their evil deeds.


text:
On Jun 23, 6:47 am, Cliff <[email]>
wrote:

Ø You are a broken record without the vaguest idea
    about anything, whether about politics or science.
    Best you stick with punching out piston rings.

—— ——
There are three types of people that you
can_not_talk_into_behaving_well. The
stupid, the religious fanatic, and the evil.

1- The stupid aren't smart enough to follow the
    logic of what you say. You have to tell them
    what is right in very simple terms. If they do
    not agree, you will never be able to change
    their mind.

2- The religious fanatic: If what you say goes
    against their religious belief, they will cling to
    that belief even if it means their death.

3- There is no way to reform evil- not in a
    million years. There is no way to convince

    the anthropogenic_global_warming_alarmists,

    the terrorists, serial killers, paedophiles, and

    predators to change their evil ways, They
    knew what they were doing was wrong, but
    knowledge didn't stop them. It only made
    them more careful in how they went about
    performing their evil deeds.


text:
On Oct 27, 2:10 pm, Beryl <[email]> wrote:

•• Cherry picked data will do it every time!!!

•• I saw it and read it and YOU make me puke!!!

––  ––
In real science the burden of proof is always on
the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
iota of valid data for global warming nor have
they provided data that climate change is being
effected by commerce and industry, and not by
natural phenomena.


text:
On Oct 27, 10:44 am, Frank <[email]> wrote:

•• the fascists & lefties are not concerned about
    the facts, it's the message counts.

––  ––
In real science the burden of proof is always on
the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
iota of valid data for global warming nor have
they provided data that climate change is being
effected by commerce and industry, and not by
natural phenomena.


text:
On Oct 27, 3:37 am, Cliff <[email]>
wrote:
•• Sure we found YOU!!!

––  ––
In real science the burden of proof is always on
the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
iota of valid data for global warming nor have
they provided data that climate change is being
effected by commerce and industry, and not by
natural phenomena.


text:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:04:55 -0700, Beryl <[email]> wrote:

  The temp alone does not tell the whole story either.
  We get melting ice producing cold water flows and ocean mixing
of cold lower waters with warm surface ones at times.
  The added energy is still there and will add to the baseline
for future events.

  The ignorant nutcases have to tell us by what magic the added energy
vanshes from the universe OR deny greenhouse gasses (all of them)
and show the flaws in all the prior science & research at this
basic level.

  Expect lying wingers.


author: Gunner Asch

text:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:04:55 -0700, Beryl <[email]> wrote:

SOME statisticans reject global cooling

"Upon Roosevelt's death in 1945, H. L. Mencken predicted in his diary
that Roosevelt would be remembered as a great president, "maybe even
alongside Washington and Lincoln," opining that Roosevelt "had every
quality that morons esteem in their heroes.""


text:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:14:25 -0500, Bill Ward <[email]>
wrote:

  Even if so, so what?
  This time we have the greenhouse gasses driving things with no end in sight.


text:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:11:56 -0700, "Eric Gisin" <[email]> wrote:

  You would use Rush or Faux to find lies?
  What does Palin say?


text:
On Jun 26, 7:42 am, Cliff <[email]>
wrote:

Ø ROTFLMAO:
    Not right - that chart is not worth the effort to create it.
    NOAA's Mauna Loa data is worthless
    1- it measures emissions from an active volcano
    2- they adjust it to provide a steady upward graph
    3- atmospheric CO2 from all sources is in
        constant motion until precipitation carries it
        earthward.
    4- CO2 = 3.62% of all GHG emissions.
                    0.112 % is man made

 GH GAS      |  TOTAL   | NATUR |MAN
———————————————————————————————
H2O Vapour | 95.000%     | 94.999% |0.001%
———————————————————————————————

CO2              | 03.618%     |   3.502%  |0.117%
————————————
———————————————————
Methane         |   0.260%     |   0.294%  |0.066%
———————————————————————————————
Nitrous oxide |    0.950%     |   0.903%  |0.047%
——————————
—————————————————————
Misc, CFC etc|    0.072%   |    0.025%  |0.047%
———————————————————————————————

Ø As for temperature, CO2 has zero effect

Ø The 1,500 year trend indicates that
    glaciation is near

—— ——
There are three types of people that you
can_not_talk_into_behaving_well. The
stupid, the religious fanatic, and the evil.

1- The stupid aren't smart enough to follow the
    logic of what you say. You have to tell them
    what is right in very simple terms. If they do
    not agree, you will never be able to change
    their mind.

2- The religious fanatic: If what you say goes
    against their religious belief, they will cling to
    that belief even if it means their death.

3- There is no way to reform evil- not in a
    million years. There is no way to convince

    the anthropogenic_global_warming_alarmists,

    the terrorists, serial killers, paedophiles, and

    predators to change their evil ways, They
    knew what they were doing was wrong, but
    knowledge didn't stop them. It only made
    them more careful in how they went about
    performing their evil deeds.


text:
On Jun 26, 1:41 pm, hersheyh <[email]> wrote:

Ø The Hershey Nutbar doesn't know the meanings
    of the "Last Post" (It has two meanings to me) and
    he does downhill from there. Those 11 lines have
    one or more falsehoods per line

Ø The rest of his nonsense snipped

—— ——
There are three types of people that you
can_not_talk_into_behaving_well. The
stupid, the religious fanatic, and the evil.

1- The stupid aren't smart enough to follow the
    logic of what you say. You have to tell them
    what is right in very simple terms. If they do
    not agree, you will never be able to change
    their mind.

2- The religious fanatic: If what you say goes
    against their religious belief, they will cling to
    that belief even if it means their death.

3- There is no way to reform evil- not in a
    million years. There is no way to convince

    the anthropogenic_global_warming_alarmists,

    the terrorists, serial killers, paedophiles, and

    predators to change their evil ways, They
    knew what they were doing was wrong, but
    knowledge didn't stop them. It only made
    them more careful in how they went about
    performing their evil deeds.


author: Cassidy Furlong

text:
another factor is subsidence from erosion;
deforestation is probably quite important around glaciers, two.

thus&so:
I refer to the LAtribcoTimes report of the consortium study,
November 2001.  we must recall, Gore triggered BvG,
by filing the first lawsuit, which overturned the normal,
full count, a la Texas' lib-uh-ral rules ... back in the day,
before less than 2/5 of polling kiosks were ATMs.

as I recall, I also saw the W.Post version, but
not the Miami Herald one.

thus&so:
I don't currently drive, but I support the payment
of a fee for a Driver's License "ID," because I may want to drive,
anyway, at some time, by (say) renting a van (or two Segways,
chained-together .-)  [NB: Shrubeneggar's footsie
with the automobile registration fee, has been a big problem
with state funding, beyond all of the other problems (that is,
a.k.a. the Cargo Cult .-]
    anyway, a Voting Rights Act provision (Section 5,
the Preclearance Rule) was removed in 2000 --
just in time for Gore to blow both of his feet, off, in electoral
collegiate terms;
then, they renewed the Act (and the Dems actually brought an amendment
to the floor, voted-down, to extend the rule to all states &
counties)!!

thus&so:
you have given a condition of sufficiency,
that words typed aroundhereinat could have been a trigger, but
what will show a neccesity, that any one grokked a theorem
of Arivaderci Petroleum?

thus&so:
are not dilation of time and length (in the direction
of time-travellin' (sik), directly porportional?

thus&so:
how many of us'd ever understood a proof of the unfinity of the
primes?...  well,
if not, we'll never get p-adic numbers, or AP-didactical ones,
either.  anyway,
p-adics are cool, when subsumed in Galois theory (or vise-versa .-)

thus&so:
well, there's phi of me to one o'you; go figure!

--the duke of oil!
Rationale. In addition to political, economic, and mechanical
feasibility, one must consider the environmental consequences of
choosing ethanol over gasoline. In par- ticular, the amount of air
pollution released in the form of CO2 and other green house gases
(GHGs) is a crucial point of interest. In order to model the
difference in ethanol and gasoline emissions, it is necessary to
calculate the final mass of GHGs (in the case where 10% of the
gasoline energy supply has been replaced by ethanol) minus the ini-
tial mass (before the 10% replacement was implemented). If the result
is negative, the 10% ethanol scenario gives off fewer GHGs; if it is
positive, it gives off more.
Assumptions and calculations. Our model is based on the following
assump- tions:
1.
Itisassumedthatnearlyallofthegasolinerequiredfortheproductionofethanol
is used in the farming and harvesting stage, while other energy
sources (i.e., coal)
http://www.maa.org/pubs/cmj47.pdf
http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/chapter-8-the-permian-basin-gang/


text:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:11:56 -0700, "Eric Gisin" <[email]> wrote:

  How about teabagger?
  http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teabagger


author: hersheyh

text:
On Jun 26, 7:42 am, Cliff <[email]>
wrote:

As usual, you can count on Last Post (alas, misnamed) for a complete
non sequitur misunderstanding of the carbon cycle wrt the atmosphere.
Anthropogenic CO2 (largely by burning fossil fuels, but also by
converting forest to grass or grass to desert, processes that reduce
the amount of stored CO2 per acre) is *extra* CO2 added to and thus
disrupting a nearly equilibrium state in which CO2 released to the
atmosphere each year (largely all by decaying organic matter -- a
smaller amount is added by other natural mechanisms) is roughly
matched by CO2 being taken up by plant growth each year.
Anthropogenic CO2 uptake is largely due to conversion of cropland to
forest, which is not the current direction.

Unlike, for example, methane, atmospheric CO2, except for the annual
cycling into and out of plants, is, once present in the atmosphere/
upper ocean system, rather long lived.  But once anthropogenic CO2 is
present in the atmosphere, there is little discrimination (just a tiny
bit due to a very slight preference of plants for 12C over other
isotopes) between anthropogenic and non-anthropogenic CO2 in the
atmosphere.  But the level of CO2 in the atmosphere/upper ocean system
has become elevated because of the extra CO2 because the uptake outgo
cycle still can only make so much plant material per year and can only
store so much C per year (C is rarely the limiting resource for plant
growth).  Especially in a world where deforestation is continuing
apace, the outgo of C from the atmosphere is actually decreasing.
Think of the atmosphere like a bucket with a tiny hole (representing
the amount of water going to bucket #3 (representing long-term storage
as fossil fuels), but only one significant hole going to bucket #2
(representing the pool of carbon in the biosphere and the source of
most of the water going back to bucket #1).  Pour water in bucket #1
at a constant rate (removing it from bucket #2). The level of water in
bucket #1 is above the holes, but it  reaches an equilibrium level
because the outgo, largely through the big hole, balances the inflow
from bucket #2 (unless deforestation causes more to be pumped out).
That would be the normal *equilbrium* state.  But now start pouring in
*additional* water from a third bucket (fossil fuels) that had slowly
been filled over a very long time by one of the small holes at an
*increasing* rate.  Moreover, we also are pumping more water from
bucket #2 because of deforestation and desertification.  The effect
will be clear.  The level of water in our first bucket will go up
continuously so long as the *extra* amounts being removed from buckets
#2 (deforestation) and #3 (fossil fuel burning) are not compensated
for and #1 will contain more water.  And there will be no distinction
between the water that came from which bucket wrt which water
molecules go through which holes in this continuing process.


author: Claudius Denk

text:
On Jun 26, 10:41 am, hersheyh <[email]> wrote:

It's funny how you whackjobs never get around to explaining why this
supposedly matters.

But once anthropogenic CO2 is

It's funny how you whackjobs are always preaching to us about the
"truth" of AGW but you only discuss vague analogies of the "science"
that supposedly underlies it.

Moreover, we also are pumping more water from

Really?


text:
On Oct 28, 4:32 am, Cliff <[email]>
wrote:

You mean the adjusted version of them.


text:
On Oct 27, 4:27 am, Cliff <[email]>
wrote:

•• Sorry Cliff, you are the confused one
    There is nothing faked but some of Mann's
     and Briffa's  picked  cherry jam

––  ––
In real science the burden of proof is always on
the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
iota of valid data for global warming nor have
they provided data that climate change is being
effected by commerce and industry, and not by
natural phenomena.


author: Last Post

text:
On Oct 25, 12:26 am, Cliff <[email]>
wrote:

•• Apparently that page is obsolete but there is a
    lot of temperature data on the site including
    some of Briffa's data

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Warming_Proxies.html


text:
On Oct 25, 8:36 am, "I M @ good guy" <[email]> wrote:

•• None at all

•• No correlation - no connection

•• Less than 3% of the anthropogenic CO2
    gets into the atmosphere. 97+% is absorbed
    by the photosynthetic process

––  ––
In real science the burden of proof is always on
the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
iota of valid data for global warming nor have
they provided data that climate change is being
effected by commerce and industry, and not by
natural phenomena.


author: Leonard

text:
On 10/23/09 6:11 PM, in article hbta6o$i5o$[email],
"Eric Gisin" <[email]> wrote:

 Sure fire way to show everyone you are fucking insane:

 1. cross post to irrelevant groups.
 2. use treehugger, huffingtonpost, or guardian as sources.
 3. top post
ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½
Either way short term or long term the data
doesn't support man made global warming?

short term
http://junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/RSSglobe.html
long term
http://junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Moberg2005l.htm


text:
On Oct 24, 12:24 am, "Timothy Casey" <sixth-prime-
[email]> wrote:

What makes you think that is an either/or question?  The answer is
both!


author: Timothy Casey

text:
"Bruce Richmond" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
On Oct 23, 2:00 pm, Cliff <[email]>
wrote:
[SNIP]
.
Hear hear! But I have to ask, are you sure it's because they can't read or
could it be that it is because the green-shirts are telling lies to vilify
anyone who doesn't side with them?
.


author: gordo

text:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:34:35 -0700 (PDT), tunderbar
<[email]> wrote:

Al Gore is not part of the world community of scientists who through
many disciplines  tell the story about too much CO2 in the atmosphere
and how it is leading to many dangerous consequences for life as we
know it on the planet.Could it be that the frantic shills for the
republican fanatics would want us to believe that there is no truth to
the climatic changes taking place because Al Gore tried to educate
people in the US. The truth is that the US has 6% of the worlds
population and most of the world never heard about Al Gore.They do
believe that they are in jeopardy when lowlands flood or when the wavy
geese explode in the arctic and animals and disease appear where they
have never been seen before.It is a global issue not an Al Gore issue.


text:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:15:31 -0400, Frank <[email]>
wrote:

  Rush & Faux told you that one?
  The last 12 months were the warmest on record.
  Ask NASA.


text:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:15:31 -0400, Frank <[email]>
wrote:

  Rush & Faux told you that one?


author: Buerste

text:
"Frank" <[email]> wrote in message
news:hbsvci$fan$[email]...

Facts have no business in this debate!


author: Cliff

text:
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 07:09:37 -0700 (PDT), "[email]"
<[email]> wrote:

  IOW You are just another lying winger.
  And utterly clueless.

  We should ask you about bushco, "WMDs" & Palin.


text:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT), "[email]"
<[email]> wrote:

  IOW You have no facts, science or third grade education.


author: Beryl

text:
[email] wrote:

Yup! That's what the article said.

"If you look at the data and sort of cherry-pick a micro-trend within a
bigger trend, that technique is particularly suspect," said John Grego,
a professor of statistics at the University of South Carolina."


text:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:29:41 -0700 (PDT), "[email]"
<[email]> wrote:

  Found a lying winger.


subject: Re:One of The Most Dangerous Global Warming Alarmists in the World

text:
On 10/27/09 3:36 AM, in article [email],
"Cliff" <[email]> wrote:

Ø Hey Cliffhanger, have you never heard of seasons???

ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½
There are three types of people that you
can_not_talk_into_behaving_well. The
stupid, the religious fanatic, and the evil.

1- The stupid aren't smart enough to follow the
    logic of what you say. You have to tell them
    what is right in very simple terms. If they do
    not agree, you will never be able to change
    their mind.

2- The religious fanatic: If what you say goes
    against their religious belief, they will cling to
    that belief even if it means their death.

3- There is no way to reform evil- not in a
    million years. There is no way to convince

    the anthropogenic_global_warming_alarmists,

    the terrorists, serial killers, paedophiles, and

    predators to change their evil ways, They
    knew what they were doing was wrong, but
    knowledge didn't stop them. It only made
    them more careful in how they went about
    performing their evil deeds.


text:
Cliff wrote:

How about the bit that leonard likes to include with each post?

"In real science the burden of proof is always on
the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
iota of valid data for global warming nor have
they provided data that climate change is being
effected by commerce and industry, and not by
natural phenomena."

His proposer/skeptic roles have actually been reversed. The burden of
proof is on commerce and industry, to demonstrate that pumping
gigatonnes of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere will produce no
disastrous effects.
But in leonard's version of "real science", our altered atmosphere is to
be regarded as a known "control" model, against which nature's work
should be measured. Very, very backward.


text:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:45:50 -0700, Gunner Asch <[email]>
wrote:

  And gummer loves lies.

  Anybody else want some of his endless death threats?


text:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:45:50 -0700, Gunner Asch <[email]>
wrote:

  Find a lying winger.


text:
Gunner Asch wrote:

The Associated Press commissioned four statisticians that said global
warming is real.  I could have puked.  This is left wing advocacy
journalism at it's worst.  The type stuff the op believes.

I've read that nearly 20% of the US population is functionally
illiterate.  As someone with a technical background, I think technical
illiteracy is far worse and there are those that take advantage of it.
Just because someone writes well or speak well does not mean they
understand what they are talking about.


author: Liberal Leroy

text:
"Cliff" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Your daddy's a teabagger?


author: I M @ good guy

text:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:23:37 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Richmond
<[email]> wrote:

          Maybe it was the corrected adjusted correct adjustment.


text:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:11:56 -0700 (PDT), "[email]"
<[email]> wrote:

  I posted links to the real charts/graphs.

  Guess you ignored them.


text:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:20:33 -0700 (PDT), Last Post <[email]> wrote:

  Where among the fabricated & faked data & charts?
  Plus confused lies I expect.


text:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:11:17 -0700 (PDT), Last Post <[email]> wrote:

  As shown by this chart, right?
  http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/#mlo_full


author: jk

text:
Last Post <[email]> wrote:

And just HOW does it get absorbed by the photosynthetic process
WITHOUT getting in the atmosphere FIRST?

Care to provide some evidence?

jk


text:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:48:07 -0400, Leonard <[email]> wrote:

   Shows a clear warming trend.

  "The webpage cannot be found"

   Perhaps you had
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/moberg2005/moberg2005.html
in mind?

  Shows a clear warming trend.


text:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:48:07 -0400, Leonard <[email]> wrote:

  "The webpage cannot be found"


text:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:09:09 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Richmond
<[email]> wrote:

        Now, there's an idea, shirts green on the outside,
red on the inside.

        The new one-world uniform.


text:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:19:06 -0400, Leonard <[email]> wrote:

  You clearly have not the vaguest idea what the subject is about.


author: Eregon

text:
Beryl <[email]> wrote in news:jMydnQM7fp7VDnXXnZ2dnUVZ_r-
[email]:

Only to total idiots - ie. EcoNazis, Brainless Socialists, and others too
stupid to avoid being sucked in by algore's get-rich-quick scheme.


text:
Frank wrote:

"In a blind test, the AP gave temperature data to four independent
statisticians and asked them to look for trends, without telling them
what the numbers represented. The experts found no true temperature
declines over time."

The facts could make you puke. OK.

Maybe you don't understand what the AP article said. Maybe you didn't
actually read it.


text:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:03:57 -0700, jk <[email]> wrote:

  <crickets>


text:
"Michael A. Terrell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Got THAT right!


subject:
Re: One of The Most Dangerous Global Warming Alarmists in the
  World

text:
On 6/14/10 8:16 AM, in article [email],
"Cliff" <[email]> wrote:

ï¿½ So you say, but your posts betray total ignorance.

ï¿½ Have you ever been in the Arctic?
    No? Well I have.

ï¿½ It is quite pleasant in mid summer.

ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½
There are three types of people that you
can_not_talk_into_behaving_well. The
stupid, the religious fanatic, and the evil.

1- The stupid aren't smart enough to follow the
    logic of what you say. You have to tell them
    what is right in very simple terms. If they do
    not agree, you will never be able to change
    their mind.

2- The religious fanatic: If what you say goes
    against their religious belief, they will cling to
    that belief even if it means their death.

3- There is no way to reform evil- not in a
    million years. There is no way to convince

    the anthropogenic_global_warming_alarmists,

    the terrorists, serial killers, paedophiles, and

    predators to change their evil ways, They
    knew what they were doing was wrong, but
    knowledge didn't stop them. It only made
    them more careful in how they went about
    performing their evil deeds.


text:
Eregon wrote:

The get-rich-quick workings of business have been conducted for so long
that they've become the default "normal" for generations of idiots.


author: cavelamb

text:
Buerste wrote:

Like hell it's not!

You ain't been down that river!


text:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:18:59 -0400, Leonard <[email]> wrote:

  And the ice keeps melting.

  You clearly have not the vaguest idea what the subject is about.


author: MTOMS

subject: academic earth

text:
Sam Wormley, get yo ass on here. Let's see your syllabus!

www.academicearth.org


author: MTOMS SHITT

subject: Re: academic earth

text:
Yo!  You're full of sh++.

"MTOMS" <[email]> wrote in message
news:jwzkm.40499$Db2.21260@edtnps83...


author: yourmommycalled

subject: Re: academic earth

text:
On Aug 24, 11:49 am, "MTOMS" <[email]> wrote:

Try http://www.meted.ucar.edu, Something a little more relevant to
science than a  course on John Milton. Try the climate change course
you might learn something and be able talk intelligently


subject: Re: academic earth

text:
You fucking idiot..there are all subjects at academic earth.

"yourmommycalled" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
On Aug 24, 11:49 am, "MTOMS" <[email]> wrote:

Try http://www.meted.ucar.edu, Something a little more relevant to
science than a  course on John Milton. Try the climate change course
you might learn something and be able talk intelligently


subject: Re: academic earth

text:
On Aug 25, 8:42 am, "MTOMS" <[email]> wrote:

Once again you can tell the uneducated fake conservative retards,
simply by reading their posts. I provided a link to free online
courses in science. SInce this is a science oriented Usenet group it
is appropriate that a series of science based  courses be referenced.
One of the more interesting courses at the site is a climate change
course. The response from braying ass "You fucking idiot..there are
all subjects at academic earth. "


author: Richard KOMZIK

subject: osteomyofibrosis with hemolysis

text:
Hello,

Sorry for the cross-postings.

Would you be so kind to let me know any recent information about the
treatment of the diagnosis "OSTEOMYOFIBROSIS WITH HEMOLYSIS". Anybody with
experience with given subject is kindly asked to provide me with the
information of the most recent possibilities of treatment and/or references
to documents upon given subject. I would also like to know if there is any
discussion list or other resources on INTERNET dealing with this.

As I do not access the USENET newsgroups on regular basis, would you be so
kind to send your answers directly via E-mail ([email])?

Thank you very much in advance.

Yours Sincerely


author: Cato

subject: Re: So Who Is Behind This Global Warming Scare?

text:
On Mar 20, 3:12 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
<[email]> wrote:

 Oops... left out a word... Tell me why I would be hanging by my neck
from a tree limb....???  How interesting...


author: V-for-Vendicar

text:
"Cato" <[email]> wrote

  Complicity in treason against the Human race and against Nature.


author: watch-dog

text:
Cato wrote:

Because you can't pay the carbon credits to be electrocuted in the chair.


text:
"watch-dog" <[email]> wrote

  Rendering your fat will produce more than enough oil to cover the cost.