author: Ilena Rose

subject: Woman Dies Of Blood Clot Just 3 Hours After Getting Gardasil ... how will Quack Vac Flacks Spin This Woman's Death?

text:
http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com
http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com/2007/08/politics-pr-of-cervical-cancer-while.html
I'm very much looking forward to seeing how "Quack Vac Flacks":

Andrew Kingoff
Coleah Penley Ayers
Paul Lee
Myrl "simple math" Jeffcoat
Terry Polevoy
Jeffrey  P Utz
Peter Bowditch
David "Orac" Gorski
Mark S Probert

. . .  spin this unnecessary death.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/GardasilVAERSDeaths.pdf
Please read  page 1 of this first report on deaths after Gardasil.
Through June, the number had grown to 5. She died 3 hours after her
jab of a blood clot.

Who or what  will they blame for this untimely death?

What "simple math" explains who ... other than the Vac Industry ...
benefitted from her unnecessary tragic death? Are readers aware that
this drug costs around $400  ? ? ? ?

Barrett perfected this technique with his  Multiple Chemical
Sensitivity notion that it's "anything but the chemicals" that are
harming hundreds of thousands of people suffering from MCS.

Here, his loyal sychophants parrot:

it's not the vaccination ...
or not  the breast implants ...
or not a chemical reaction to chemicals or pesticides

What's ironic and sad is  the more danger the drug or med device, the
more flacks are purchased to deny the dangers and harass and demean
and insult and defame activists such as myself and others here.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/GardasilVAERSDeaths.pdf
Please read page 1 of this first report on deaths after Gardasil.

The age of the woman is unknown ... yet going through the now over
2200 reports of injury and death, there were only 40 women between the
ages of 30 and 50.

That means the probability is that this now dead young woman was under
30 years old ... perhaps only 12 or 19.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/GardasilVAERSDeaths.pdf
(see page 2 and 3 of report 12 year old and 19 year old die)

To see more Quack Vac Flacks showing up to attempt to distract from
what is truly happening with this "safe" vaccination tells me that the
Vac Industry  knows they are in deep pooo pooo and better get as many
kids jabbed as possible, as quickly as possible, and add as many
shills as possible to try to whitewash the damage.

In the past, I have read estimates that only 10% of adverse reactions
actually get reported.

 In the breast implant Medline reporting system, there were over
250,000 last I looked. The FDA calls silicone breast implants "safe"
and this unnecessary vaccination, "safe."

The FDA has made a mockery of the word with help from the quackwatch
team.

http://tinyurl.com/2enev2
Found 2534 events with Vaccine is 'HPV4'

http://tinyurl.com/2f279j
Found 42 events with Age from '30' to '50' and Vaccine is 'HPV4'

http://tinyurl.com/yp6ajp
Found 39 events with Age from '1' to '19' and Vaccine is 'HPV4' and
Disabled

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/GardasilVAERSReports.pdf

Thank you for your interest ... please visit:

http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com/2007/08/politics-pr-of-cervical-cancer-while.html.


author: Coleah

subject:
Re: Woman Dies Of Blood Clot Just 3 Hours After Getting Gardasil ...
	how will Quack Vac Flacks Spin This Woman's Death?

text:
On Apr 20, 1:42 pm, Ilena Rose <[email]> wrote:

Read the archives.....it's been addressed over and over and over.  How
nice that you are 'looking forward' to yet one more time!!!  Go suck a
pickle and wait.


author: Myrl

text:
On Apr 20, 11:42 am, Ilena Rose <[email]> wrote:

I present you with a "gimme" Ilena.  I'll take ALL your touted 7
unproven associated deaths, and for the sake of argument, let you
present them as actual vaccine related deaths.

Now, I'm interested in knowing how you plan on spinning the
unnecessary deaths of 250,000 - 290,000 women who die globally each
year from Cervical Cancer.  70%+ of which are caused by the HPV virus,
which could have been prevented by the vaccine???


author: Spartakus

subject: Meet the new eugenicists - Tea Party Nation

text:
Right Wing Watch reports that Tea Party Nation emailed a warning to
its followers that our "uniquely American culture" is in danger of
extinction.  Not because of our economic travails, or our
entanglements in Iraq and Afghanistan, or the corporate takeover of
our political system.  It's because women are having fewer children.

I kid you not.  Here's a short excerpt from the email:

     "There are those in America who are continuously
      attacking the family, bent on redefining marriage
      and have established anti-family government
      programs. This has led to downward pressure
      on our national total fertility rate. ... Child bearing
      has become something distasteful to many
      women, an unwanted and painful experience
      to be avoided rather than embraced."

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tea-party-group-warns-white-extinction-america

And lest you think that TPN is thinking about *all* women, let me
assure you - they are only worried about white women.  Here's the
money shot:

     "The White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP)
      population in America is headed for extinction
      and with it our economy, well-being and
      survival as a uniquely America culture."

'Cause our culture isn't really American if it isn't *white* American,
don't you see?


author: william mosco

subject: Re: Meet the new eugenicists - Tea Party Nation

text:
On Apr 1, 9:15 pm, Foxtrot <[email]> wrote:

as a sox fan i agree... :)


text:
On Apr 1, 7:47 pm, Phlip <[email]> wrote:

i'd rate it as "stupid".  i don't think there's an issue where white
people are apologizing for something they had no control of.


text:
Eagle46 <[email]> wrote:

Ha ha!  We don't even know what percentage of the general population
is racist.  What makes you think that anyone has a percentage on tea
partiers?


text:
On Apr 1, 3:29 pm, "5950 Dead, 1093 since 1/20/09" <[email]>
wrote:

I don't find any degree of racism acceptable; however, you will find
it in any organization.
Right wing, Left wing, in the middle...you will find racism in all
sexes, creed, ethnicity, and race.


text:
On Apr 1, 6:00 pm, Spartakus <[email]> wrote:

So back to what I have been saying about you all along.  You really
don't have a clue.

You just like to make shit up.


author: Phlip

text:
On Apr 1, 4:37 pm, Eagle46 <[email]> wrote:

So, for example, how would you rate a bumper sticker "never apologize
for being white"?


text:
On Apr 1, 7:47 pm, Phlip <[email]> wrote:

It's a bumper sticker.  I'm white and I will never apologize for it.
I don't see anything racist about it.

It's no different than when people use to have black power on their
shirts or on their bumper stickers.

I've never seen that bumper sticker.


text:
On Apr 1, 5:04 pm, Eagle46 <[email]> wrote:

power is positive. Claiming victimhood status is not.


text:
On Apr 1, 8:09 pm, Phlip <[email]> wrote:

The bumper sticker is no different than any other bumper sticker where
a person is
proud of who they are.
To me, I see that bumper stick as showing someone who is proud of
their race.


text:
On Apr 1, 5:12 pm, Eagle46 <[email]> wrote:

Then why it doesn't say "say it loud I'm white and I'm proud"? Here's
why...

It bears repeating that blacks used to remind each other to be proud
of being black because nearly all of culture opposed that pride.
Blacks were routinely the target of cheap jokes in early movies, for
example.

So were Elmer Fudd and Alfred E. Neuman - parodies of white northern
Methodists and inept Irish immigrants, respectively - but these cheap
jokes were not _systemic_.

So if there's no concerted effort to denigrate whites, why should any
white think that any other whites somehow apologize for it?


text:
On Apr 1, 8:56 pm, Phlip <[email]> wrote:

I think you are putting way too much into this. Seriously.
It's a bumper sticker!!!

If you don't like it, don't buy it!!!


text:
On Mar 31, 6:27 pm, Phlip <[email]> wrote:

I've been free to do it. So what's your point?
Some of you who are trying to bash the Tea Party really have no clue
as to what you're talking about.
I am wondering who you are taking your orders from.


text:
Eagle46 <[email]> wrote:

The point that you are turning yourself inside-out to avoid is that
the various tea party organizations tolerate racism within their
ranks.  The cited article from Tea Party Nation being prime face
evidence.


text:
Eagle46 <[email]> wrote:

Really?  How about the NAACP?  The NFL?  MLB?


text:
On Apr 2, 12:04 am, Spartakus <[email]> wrote:

Oh? Like who? Please show me which tea party organizations tolerate
racism within their ranks.

This is the part where you start lying.


text:
On Apr 2, 12:06 am, Spartakus <[email]> wrote:

Of course you are going to find racist in those organizations.
Are you stupid?

Are you claiming that people in the NAACP can't be racist?
Are you claiming people in the NFL can't be racist?
Are you claiming people in the MLB can't be racist?


text:
Eagle46 <[email]> wrote:

Um, Tea Party Nation.   You know, the group that has this:

http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/destroy-the-family-you-destroy

on their web site?  That's a link to the article I cited in the first
post in this thread.  You *read* that post, didn't you?

Ha ha!


text:
Eagle46 <[email]> wrote:

Document an instance of racism by the NAACP.

Document an instance of racism by the NFL.

Document an instance of racism by MLB.

Unlike various tea party groups, these organizations certainly do not
tolerate racism.


text:
On Apr 2, 12:46 am, Spartakus <[email]> wrote:

A few problems.
I am not a member, so I can't view this.
Second, I signed up as a temporary member and I only got access to the
front page.
I saw now evidence to show they are supporting racism.

Do you want more time to try again or do you want to lie some more?

You have to be a member to read it.
I am not a member, it will not allow me.


text:
On Apr 2, 12:51 am, Spartakus <[email]> wrote:

How many white presidents have there been in the NAACP?
How many white people does the NAACP represent?

http://biggovernment.com/jdunetz/2010/07/13/the-racism-of-the-naacp/

Come on Sparky, are you going to play this dumb?

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/02/reverse-racism-alive-and-swell-in-nfl/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27373-is-racism-alive-and-well-in-major-league-baseball

And you have yet to provide any evidence that the Tea Party tolerates
racism.

Shall we talk about the racism in the Democrat party, that party you
are a boot licking member of?

The Democratic Party’s Legacy of Racism

Under pressure from fellow Republicans, Mississippi Senator Trent Lott
recently stepped down from his post as Senate Majority Leader because
of racially offensive comments he made earlier in the month. He was
persuaded to take this step by Republicans who believed that his
comments were at odds with the principles of their party.

Of course, Democrats have used the Lott affair to pillory the
Republicans as racists. Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, who had
first dismissed the idea that Sen. Lott was a racist, later claimed
that his stepping down did not really address the Republican Party’s
inherent racism. "Republicans have to prove, not only to us, of
course, but to the American people that they are as sensitive to this
question of racism, this question of civil rights, this question of
equal opportunity, as they say they are," Senator Daschle told CNN.
Among high-profile Democrats, Senators Hillary Clinton and Charles
Schumer offered similar comments.

It’s about time that Republicans quit pussy-footing around on the
issue of race. They need to point out that in both principle and
practice, the Republican Party has a far better record than the
Democrats on race. Even more importantly, they need to stress that on
the issues that most affect African-Americans today, the Democratic
position represents racism of the most offensive sort—a patronizing
racism that denigrates Blacks every bit as badly as the old racism of
Jim Crow and segregation.

Republicans can begin by observing that their Party was founded on the
basis of principles invoked by Abraham Lincoln. He himself recurred to
the principles of the American Founding, specifically the Declaration
of Independence, so we can say that the principles of the Republican
Party are the principles of the nation. In essence these principles
hold that the only purpose of government is to protect the equal
natural rights of individual citizens. These rights inhere in
individuals, not groups, and are antecedent to the creation of
government. They are the rights invoked by the Declaration of
Independence—life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness—not
happiness, but the pursuit of happiness.

We should remember that the Republican Party was created in response
to a crisis arising from the fact that American public opinion on the
issue of slavery had drifted away from the principles of the Founding.
While the Founders had tolerated slavery out of necessity, many
Americans, especially within the Democratic Party, had come to accept
the idea that slavery was a "positive good." While Thomas Jefferson,
the founder of what evolved into the Democratic Party, had argued that
slavery was bad not only for the slave but also for the slave owner,
John C. Calhoun, had turned this principle on its head: slavery was
good not only for the slave holder, but also for the slave.

Calhoun’s fundamental enterprise was to defend the institution of
slavery. To do so, he first had to overturn the principles of the
American Founding. He started with the Declaration of Independence,
arguing that "[the proposition ’all men are created equal’] as now
understood, has become the most false and dangerous of all political
errors....We now begin to experience the danger of admitting so great
an error to have a place in the declaration of independence." Thus
Calhoun transformed the Democratic Party of Jefferson into the Party
of Slavery.

The most liberal position among ante-bellum Democrats regarding
slavery was that slavery was an issue that should be decided by
popular vote. For example, Stephen Douglas, Lincoln’s opponent in the
1858 Illinois senate race and the 1860 presidential campaign,
advocated "popular sovereignty." He defended the right of the people
in the territories to outlaw slavery, but also defended the right of
Southerners to own slaves and transport them to the new territories.

The Democratic Party’s war against African-Americans continued after
the Civil War (which many Democrats in fact opposed, often working
actively to undercut the Union war effort). Democrats, both north and
south fought the attempt to implement the equality for African-
Americans gained at such a high cost. This opposition was often
violent. Indeed, the Ku Klux Klan operated as the de facto terrorist
arm of the national Democratic Party during Reconstruction.

Democrats defeated Reconstruction in the end and on its ruins created
Jim Crow. Democratic liberalism did not extend to issue of race.
Woodrow Wilson was the quintessential "liberal racist," a species of
Democrat that later included the likes of William Fulbright of
Arkansas, Sam Ervin of North Carolina, and Albert Gore, father of Al,
of Tennessee.

In the 1920s, the Republican Party platform routinely called for anti-
lynching legislation. The Democrats rejected such calls in their own
platforms. When FDR forged the New Deal, he was able to pry Blacks
away from their traditional attachment to the Party of Lincoln. But
they remained in their dependent status, Democrats by virtue of
political expediency, not principle.

As the incomparable Ann Coulter has observed, when Strom Thurmond, the
praise of whom landed Sen. Lott in hot water, ran a segregationist
campaign in 1948, he ran as a Dixie-CRAT, not a Dixie-CAN. When he
lost, he went back to being a Democrat. He only repudiated his
segregationist views when he later became a Republican

Even the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which supposedly established the
Democrats’ bona fides on race, was passed in spite of the Democrats
rather than because of them. Republican Senate Minority Leader Everett
Dirksen pushed the bill through the Senate, despite the no-votes of 21
Democrats, including Gore Sr. and Robert Byrd, who remains a powerful
force in the Senate today. In contrast, only four Republicans opposed
the bill, mostly like Barry Goldwater on libertarian principles, not
segregationist ones.

Indeed, the case of Sen. Byrd is instructive when it comes to the
double standard applied to the two parties when it comes to race. Even
those Democrats who have exploited the Lott affair acknowledge that he
is no racist. Can the same be said about Sen. Byrd, who was a member
of the KKK and who recently used the "n" word on national TV?

"Ah, but this is all in the past," say the Democrats. "Now we push a
pro-African-American agenda." But the reality differs significantly
from the claim.

Take the issue of education. The single biggest obstacle to the
achievement of true equality in the United States is not poverty, but
education. If Democrats sincerely wished to help the minority children
on whose behalf they claim to labor, they would embrace school choice
to help such children escape the trap of sub-standard schools. But
that would offend the teachers’ unions upon which the Democrats depend
for financial and "in-kind" support. So as has often been the case
with the group politics of the Democratic party, African-American
interests are sacrificed to other groups who have more pull.

"Affirmative action" has become the touchstone of Democratic racial
politics. Democrats portray anyone who opposes affirmative action as
racist. But affirmative action, as currently practiced, is racist to
the core. It is based on the assumption that African-Americans are
incapable of competing with whites. It represents the kind of
paternalistic racism that would have done honor to Calhoun. For the
modern liberal Democratic racist as for the old-fashioned one, blacks
are simply incapable of freedom. They will always need Ol’ Massa’s
help. And woe be to any African-American who wanders off of the
Democratic plantation. Ask Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Shelby
Steele, or Ward Connerly. Although they echo the call for a "color-
blind society" that once characterized the vision of Martin Luther
King Jr., they are pilloried as "Uncle Toms" of "Oreos" by such
enforcers of the Democratic plantation system as Jesse Jackson or Al
Sharpton.

If we need the perfect symbol for the true character of the Democratic
Party when it comes to race, we need look no farther than Rhode Island
Congressman Patrick Kennedy. Rep. Kennedy portrays himself as a friend
of African-Americans. But his touching solicitude for African-
Americans as a group is gross hypocrisy. When inconvenienced by a real
African-American woman trying to do her job, Rep. Kennedy shoved her
out of his way, giving her arm a yank for good measure. In practice,
the Democratic Party as a whole cares as much about real African-
Americans as Rep. Kennedy does.

Mackubin Thomas Owens is professor of strategy and force planning at
the Naval War College in Newport, RI, and an adjunct fellow of the
Ashbrook Center. The views expressed here are his own and do not
reflect the position of the War College, Navy Department, or
Department of Defense.


subject:
Re: Meet those crying "Wolf"! Re: Meet the new eugenicists - Tea
 Party Nation

text:
pnyikos <[email]> wrote:

[--FauxNy's shooting the messenger deleted--]

Ahem...

     "The White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP)
      POPULATION in America is headed for extinction
      and with it our economy, well-being and
      survival as a uniquely America culture."

[emphasis mine]

Only if you ignore the numerous Asian, African, Latin, etc influences
in our music, cuisine, literature, etc in our American culture.

Having fun with your red herring?

     "Our vision is a vibrantly diverse democratic society
      in which everyone is treated equally under the law,
      given the freedom and opportunity to pursue their
      dreams, and encouraged to participate in our
      nation’s civic and political life. Our America
      respects diversity, nurtures creativity and combats
      hatred and bigotry."

http://www.pfaw.org/about-us/our-mission-and-vision

Ahem...

     "The White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP)
      POPULATION in America is headed for extinction
      and with it our economy, well-being and
      survival as a uniquely America culture."

[emphasis mine]

Ha ha!  Eugenics was very popular and respectable in the first third
of the 20th century.  For example, Theodore Roosevelt believed in
eugenics.  Consider these quotations from "The Works of Theodore
Roosevelt":

     "I wish very much that the wrong people could be prevented
      entirely from breeding; and when the evil nature of these
      people is sufficiently flagrant, this should be done.
      Criminals should be sterilized, and feeble-minded
      persons forbidden to leave offspring behind them."
      --Theodore Roosevelt, in "Twisted Eugenics"

     "Criminals should not have children. Shiftless and worthless
      people should not have families which they are unable to
      bring up properly. Such marriages are a curse to the
      community."
      --Theodore Roosevelt, in "Race Decadence"

Margaret Sanger offered her *qualified* support to the eugenics
movement for a brief time, until she realized that eugenics was
inextricably intertwined with racism and class bias.  Many of the pro-
eugenics words attributed to Sanger in various pro-lie tracts were
actually authored by someone else.

Well, you've never been very good at divining the motivations of your
adversaries.  That would require something called "reading
comprehension", a skill you are notably deficient in.

[...]


text:
pnyikos <[email]> wrote:

Unsupported claims ignored.

What's interesting is the degree to which racism is tolerated in the
various tea party movements.  The cited article from Tea Party Nation
being prime face evidence.


text:
On Apr 1, 1:46 pm, Spartakus <[email]> wrote:

Please do tell us just what the degree is.
I am still waiting for your numbers


text:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 10:48:07 -0700, Eagle46 wrote:

Just as a matter of curiosity, what 'degree' would you find ACCEPTABLE?


text:
Spartakus wrote:

Judson Phillips is not the "leader" of the tea party movement.  There
isn't a leader.

"In my opinion Judson Phillips is a profiteering wanna be," said Robin
Stublen, founder of the Punta Gorda, Fla. Tea Party. "He is
irrelevant."


text:
william mosco <[email]> wrote:

He's not the author of the above-cited message either.  The author is
Dr. Rich Swier, a regular contributor of commentary on the Tea Party
Nation web site.

True, and there are several tea party groups.  Tea Party Nation is one
of the largest of these groups.

Ha ha!  Well, Tea Party Nation *is* a for-profit enterprise.  But they
are major players in the tea party movement.


text:
On Mar 31, 1:31 pm, william mosco <[email]> wrote:

Besides lobbyists like Dick Armey, publicity firms like Russo Marsh,
and their financiers the Koch Bros?

For an experiment, try calling yourself a teapartier, then try doing
anything that crosses any of them, without taking orders from them.
See how long you are free to do it.

Pot. Kettle. Black. 'Nuff said!


text:
Phlip wrote:

Its a smear campaign nothing else.  The tea party has no real
leadership.  You can put a bunch of yankee fans in yankee stadium and
pick out the assholes quite easily.  That doesn't mean every yankee
fan is an asshole.


text:
Spartakus wrote:

I thought I read his statements within the link you provided.

You're not seeing my point.  Anyone would see these comments as
silly.  I'm a red sox fan.  If I go to fenway park and some  dim bulb
starts acting like an ass it doesn't mean I'm an ass too or that I
should stop being a red sox fan.

There's always going to be people who are in it for personal gain
rather than political goals.


text:
On Mar 31, 4:46 pm, william mosco <[email]> wrote:

And said people actually have you bamboozled into thinking the
teabaggers have no true leadership.

Who do you think provides those free buses that appear out of nowhere
and cart the same 200 nitwits to rallies all over the country? Gawd?


text:
william mosco <[email]> wrote:

Understood; not all tea partiers are racist asshats, but many are.  If
someone were to post racist asshattery like the cited article from the
Boston Red Sox's official web site, and blast-email that same
asshattery from boston.redsox.mlb.com to subscribers, that would be
another matter.  Btw, my compliments on your team preference.  Fuck
the fucking Yankees.

Yep.


text:
On Mar 31, 9:48 pm, Spartakus <[email]> wrote:

Really? How many? What percentage?
You are a bigot, so why would you talk about someone else being
racist?

But out of curiosity, just how many would you say are racist?

 If


author: pnyikos

subject: Meet those crying "Wolf"! Re: Meet the new eugenicists - Tea Party Nation

text:
On Mar 31, 7:46 pm, william mosco <[email]> wrote:

and People For the American Way (PFtAW), a militantly leftist
organization.  Being of their kind himself, "Spartakus" probably
thinks they really live up to their bogus name.

Note, the culture, not the race.  What is unique about the culture
goes back to the Founding Fathers.  You'd think an organization with a
name like PFtAW would be concerned about that, but it seems that is
the furthest thing from their minds, just as making China live up to
the name of "People's Republic of China" was the furthest thing from
the mind of Mao Zedong.

"Meet the new eugenicists" a blatant case of crying "Wolf!"  Also, it
could be a kind of Pee Wee Hermanism.  "Spartakus" is likely smarting
from the masses of evidence linking Planned Parenthood founder
Margaret Sanger to the eugenics movement of her time, and wants to
make it look like any conservative documenting this is just a pot
calling the kettle black.

Hah! PFtAW probably loves tycoon Soros for the way his dollars helped
the takeover of our political system in 2008.  And that goes double
for "Spartakus" and the other seven musketeers, named below.

Non sequitur.  The key issue is that America is no longer the "melting
pot" it used to be and there is little understanding of the uniquely
American culture among the new immigrants.  While the WASPs are not
the only embodiments of that culture, the others like myself (an
immigrant myself) are wondering whether the people like myself will be
outnumbered when it comes to preserving that culture by people
committed to a radically different culture.

You can see it in the abortion newsgroups, where "Spartakus" and the
other musketeers (listed below) trample on the principles behind the
6th amendment, the writ of habeas corpus, and one of their number
(Keegan) has implied that the 14th Amendment is without validity.  And
yet they dominate the abortion newsgroups, regularly defaming William
Mosco, to whom I am following up here, as being a foe of the
Constitution when he is one of its staunchest upholders.

It didn't read that way to me.  There was, however, mention of Judson
Phillips and even a link to a screed of his against the Methodist
Church:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/tea_party_nation_founder_lets_get_rid_of_the_socia.php

 It is not altogether clear whether his real beef is with the United
Methodist Church or with all churches that call themselves
"Methodist."

This is my first look at TPN and it looks like a typical left-wing
organization from this one article, but I could be mistaken about
that.  If they are, they hide it better than PFtAW does.

Touche.  Spartakus isn't above guilt by association.

Of course, especially in a movement as widespread as the tea party
movement.  This is something "Spartakus" may be ill equipped to
understand, since he and the other seven Musketeers (Gwen Bennet,
"elizabeth", Ray Fischer, Galen Hekhuis, Patrick "The Chief
Instigator" Humphrey, "IAAH," james g. keegan, jr.) run a "mini-
movement" in talk.abortion whose behavior wrt most issues is as
tightly conformist as what one got in the typical U.S. Communist Party
cell in the days of Stalin.

There is some reason, by the way, to suspect the triumvirate in charge
(Fischer, Keegan, "Spartakus") of being CP members or at least former
CP members themselves.

By the way, today I will be reposting an "oldie but goodie" April Fool
Special, vintage 1994.  It is directed squarely at Keegan.

Peter Nyikos


text:
On Apr 1, 1:04 am, Eagle46 <[email]> wrote:

He is bigoted against unborn children, pro-lifers, and conservatives.
Did you have any other groups in mind?

It'll be interesting to see whether he'll give an actual percentage.

Be sure to read my follow-up to Bill Mosco of a few minutes ago.  The
announcement at the end will be of special interest to you: I promise
to repost an oldie but goodie from 1994 featuring the words of a
pollice detective arresting someone who "posted as james g. keegan,
jr."

It's a difficult art form I tackled, a monologue by an actor in a
drama, letting you surmise by his words what is happening, but I think
I handled it rather well.

Peter Nyikos


author: Ray Fischer

text:
Spartakus  <[email]> wrote:

It's because _white_ women are having fewer children.

"white extinction".

They're nazis.

The racism of the right is never far below the surface.


text:
Because gay people should be ordered to marry people they don't love,
in order to breed?

At least they are being open and obvious about their true agenda:
Unhappy babies make good cannon fodder...


text:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 16:37:42 -0700 (PDT), Eagle46
<[email]> wrote:

But it seems to be a driving force with the Teabaggers.


text:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Eagle46
<[email]> wrote:

Sounds like someone who is defensive and truculent.

I'm white, and nobody has ever ASKED me to apologize for it.


author: james g. keegan jr.

text:
In article
<[email]>,
 Eagle46 <[email]> wrote:

"The cited article from Tea Party Nation being prime face
evidence."

poor dumb bobby


text:
On Apr 1, 8:28 pm, "5950 Dead, 1093 since 1/20/09" <[email]>
wrote:

But you are ignorant, racist, hateful, and a bigot.
I think you should at least apologize for three of those.  One of
those you can't help.


text:
On Apr 1, 7:58 pm, "5950 Dead, 1093 since 1/20/09" <[email]>
wrote:

You're not even close to reality.
The Tea Party is growing by leaps and bounds and neither the Democrats
or Republicans have figured a way to stop them.
They are composed of people from all walks of life, color, sex, and
many other things.
They are people who are fed up with Government as usual, they are
tired of being lied to by both parties.
The main focus of the Tea Party is to send a notice to all the
politicians, either do the job you were elected to do or be fired.
They are a threat primarily to the liberals because right now the
liberals are getting their tail ends handed to them by the tea party.

Is their racism in the Tea Party? No
Are their Tea Party members who are racist?  Sure, but you will find
that in ANY organization.
That doesn't make the entire party racist.

 And your use of the term "Teabaggers"
is just as offensive as anyone else using a derogatory term about
anyone else, their political affiliation, sex, creed, ethnicity,
etc...

So I guess you think it's ok for you.


text:
On Apr 1, 7:58 pm, "5950 Dead, 1093 since 1/20/09" <[email]>
wrote:

You might be the racist.
Strong indicators show you are. You're the only one obsessed with
race.

Why are you a racist and a bigot?
Did you get beat up a lot or something?


text:
On Apr 1, 9:59 pm, Mitchell Holman <[email]> wrote:

What ever floats your boat mickey

Sure mickey..sure. What ever you say.


text:
On Apr 1, 10:55 pm, Mitchell Holman <[email]> wrote:

https://teaparty-centrists.com/Home_Page.html?gclid=CMeQ2o36_KcCFYXc4AodsClPrw

http://theteaparty.net/?cdtrack_creative=e3d7dff6-fb5c-4fc2-9c70-eeb33aba9998&cdtrack_source=3db6b64a-7523-476f-83ab-f6d50ea69417

http://teapartypatriots.org/crr.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

http://www.teaparty.org/

Want it broken down to individual tea party sectors in states?

Here is the one in my state.

http://www.delawareteaparty.org/


text:
On Apr 1, 8:18 pm, "5950 Dead, 1093 since 1/20/09" <[email]>
wrote:

You are being fooled.  Which is why you will be undermined.

You're an ignorant whack, who is leading you around by the nose?

Really? And you have supporting evidence to prove that?
You are really a racist.

You have just judged white people over 65 years of age.

Verses being lied to by you???

Not at all.

I think your mental health is in question.

Really? How many of these images have you seen? I have never seen one
yet.

 Oddly enough, you don't see pictures like that of Joe Biden or

You're a stain.

I am curious as to the roots of your racism, hatred, and bigotry.

And there are the crickets.


text:
In article
<[email]>,
 Eagle46 <[email]> wrote:

you should know.


subject: Re: Meet those crying "Wolf"! Re: Meet the new eugenicists - Tea Party Nation

text:
In article
<[email]>,
 pnyikos <[email]> wrote:
[...]

the plagiarizing perfesser never forgets his dishonest vendettas.


text:
In article
<[email]>,
 pnyikos <[email]> wrote:

[...]

the plagiarist has moved on to posting announcements of his vendettas.


author: Steve

text:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:58:06 -0700, "5950 Dead, 1093 since 1/20/09"
<[email]> wrote:

Nope, but they seem to really dislike you stupid leftists.


text:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:28:23 -0700, "5950 Dead, 1093 since 1/20/09"
<[email]> wrote:

But people DO expect you to apologize for being irresponsible.


text:
In article
<[email]>,
 Eagle46 <[email]> wrote:

[...]

projecting, are you?


text:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:08:05 -0700 (PDT), Eagle46
<[email]> wrote:

Oddly enough, they still have a 30% favorability rating, same as what
they had last November.

But their UNFAVORABLE ratings jumped from around 26% to 55%.

I don't think they're going to be doing any leaping and bounding any
time soon.  The public has figured out that they're a bunch of
ignorant whacks, being led around by the nose by a small coterie of
multi-billionaires.

That's why the rallies seems to be 95% white, and mostly over 65, huh?

But they love being lied to by Faux News and the Koch Brothers.
Imagine that.

Actually, it looks like the Republicans are taking the most damage.
Just being associated with the Teabaggers leaves their mental health
in question.

Yes.

But the Teabaggers have the images of Obama with the bone through his
nose.  Oddly enough, you don't see pictures like that of Joe Biden or
Bill Clinton.

Nope, but it stains it.
Then maybe they shouldn't have named themselves that in the beginning.


author: Mitchell Holman

text:
Eagle46 <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

    There is no such thing as "The Tea Party."
Not on any ballot in any state, no platform,
no agenda, no membership, no candidates.

   How can a party that doesn't exist have members?


text:
In article
<[email]>,
 Eagle46 <[email]> wrote:

projection again.


text:
Eagle46 <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

   Back up your claim that there is such
an entity as "the Tea Party".

   Running away from your own claims?

  "If you are going to make the claim, prove it. "
"Osprey" (robert heishman)

news:[email]:


text:
In article
<[email]>,
 Eagle46 <[email]> wrote:

what about yours?


author: Nomen Nescio

subject: Terror and Religion

text:
Islam is a filthy, vile, vicious, cancerous, political manifesto of terrorism masquerading as religion, with its tenets clearly written in the blood of its victims. It is political cancer metastasizing into an anti-western genocidal cult. Its adherents are the most simpleminded of nationals cheering the murder of innocent civilians. Islam, like its communist neighbor, is attempting to destroy all western thought in favor of intolerance, mass murder and mass conformity. Islam is a direct attack on the individualism and freedom of thought that helped create the western world. If Islam is permitted its cancerous spread, the world will enter another dark age of bigotry, intolerance, and the genocidal rage of madmen masquerading as religious leaders.

If Israel is any test case, Islam has proven its political ideology is one of hate, intolerance and genocidal rage. Virtually every Islamic nation is ruled with an iron fist because their Islamic populations behave like rabid dogs. Islam has proven itself incompatible with civilized western values, and should be treated as a political manifesto of terrorism.

Spare me the body count of other religions. I haven't seen Catholics, Protestants, Jews, or any other religion take such pleasure in murdering innocents in my lifetime. The past is the past, and islam's murderous ideology seems to currently command somewhat of a popular monopoly in the "Joy of Killing" westerners, and, being a westerner, I'm quite prepared to return the favor a thousand fold.

For westerners, the destruction of islam is a matter of survival. Unfortunately, too many religious individuals have been fooled into granting islam that which it does not deserve: survival. I've seen images of the followers of islam jumping, clapping, and cheering in a euphoric murderous orgy of twisted joy when some of islam's storm troopers killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11. Since I'm personally unencumbered by any religious baggage, I clearly see islam for the political manifesto of terrorism that it is, and that its followers are as deserving of the fate that their terrorists so willingly bestow upon others. Islam has earned its place in history with the bombing of the world trade center; now, we just need to secure its final resting place in the trash bin of history.


author: tim gueguen

subject: Re: Terror and Religion

text:
"Nomen Nescio" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
A message he apparently has so little faith in he posted it anonymously.

tim gueguen 101867


author: The Proud Infadel

subject: Re: Terror and Religion

text:
Nomen Nescio wrote:

WELL SAID. NOTHING LIKE THE TRUTH TO GET THE POINT ACROSS. TOO BAD THE
SKUZLAMS DON'T TRY IT. OOPS THEY CAN'T DO THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADMIT
THEY SUPPORT TERRORISM. OH WELL, THEIR SILENCE AND INACTIVITY JUST
SUPPORTS THE FACT.


author: Iron Maiden - The Sign Of The Cross.mp3

subject: Re: Terror and Religion

text:
"tim gueguen" <[email]> wrote in message

Anonymous posters aren't murdering innocent people.


subject: Re: Terror and Religion

text:
"tim gueguen" <[email]> wrote

So keeping your name off the white pages means you distrust what you say
on the phone??

Posting anonymously to avoid hate mail has nothing to do with [lack of]
faith you moron. It's wisdom.


subject: Re: Terror and Religion

text:
"Iron Maiden - The Sign Of The Cross.mp3" <[email]> wrote in
message news:[email]...
Given their anonymity such a statement is baseless.

tim gueguen 101867


subject: Re: Terror and Religion

text:
"666" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Horsecookies.  Posting thru an anonymiser generally indicates an
unwillingness to stand up for what you believe in.

tim gueguen 101867


author: Zenobia

subject: UK government broke its own law by dishing out stimulants to troops

text:
The drug provigil was until recently only licensed to treat
people with rare sleep disorders such as daytime sleepiness.
Provigil can keep people awake and alert for over 24 hours. It
wasn't until this  April, that it became licensed to treat
"shift work sleep disorder", where people suffer extreme
sleepiness because of the odd hours they work. But, clearly, if
the Armed forces have been using it, in massive amounts, since
1998 they've been breaking the law.

When will the police or Medicines and Healthcare products
Regulatory Agency launch a prosecution?

	+	+	+	+	+	+
<http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/story/0,11026,1271362,00.html>

MoD bought thousands of stay awake pills in advance of war in
Iraq

Ian Sample and Rob Evans
Thursday July 29, 2004
The Guardian

A controversial drug which can keep people awake for days has
been bought in significant quantities by the Ministry of
Defence, the Guardian has learned.

The MoD has admitted to buying more than 24,000 Provigil pills,
which are licensed in Britain only to help people with rare
sleeping disorders shrug off daytime sleepiness. Experts say the
drug could be used "off licence" to keep pilots and special
forces troops awake on little sleep.

According to figures from the Defence Medical Supplies Agency,
which provides medical products "to sustain UK military
capability", the MoD has been buying the drug since 1998 at
prices at least 10% lower than those charged to the NHS.

The figures, which were released to the Guardian under the open
government code, show that purchases peaked with an order for
more than 5,000 pills in 2001, the year allied forces entered
Afghanistan. The next largest order - for more than 4,000 pills
- was delivered in 2002, the year before troops entered Iraq. In
total, the ministry has spent more than ï¿½43,000 on the drugs.

Provigil, which is sold by the Pennsylvania-based company
Cephalon, is licensed in Britain to treat tiredness associated
with the rare sleeping disorders narcolepsy and obstructive
sleep apnoea. In April, the Medicines and Healthcare products
Regulatory Agency decided to allow Provigil to be used to treat
"shift work sleep disorder", where people suffer extreme
sleepiness because of the odd hours they work.

But the introduction of Provigil, which is also known as
modafinil, has raised concern among some doctors who believe
that its ability to banish tiredness could be abused.

Last night, the MoD denied that the drug was given to the armed
forces and said it was unaware of any research it was carrying
out on the drug. The Defence Science and Technology Laboratory,
which runs the MoD's research programmes, did not respond to the
Guardian's inquiries.

If the military was investigating possible uses for Provigil or
had already authorised its usage, it would bring it in line with
other countries such as the US and France. French military
researchers openly recommend using the drug for 24-hour missions
and the French Foreign Legion is known to have used the drug as
long ago as 1991 to keep soldiers going during the first Gulf
war.

The use of controversial stimulants by the US military was
highlighted after an incident in April 2002 near Kandahar in
Afghanistan.

Two US F-16 pilots, Major Harry Schmidt and Major William
Umbach, mistakenly bombed a Canadian infantry unit, killing four
and injuring eight. In the ensuing legal discussions, the
pilots' lawyers said that the airmen had felt pressured into
taking amphetamine before the mission.

Special forces, who can be expected to go on missions lasting 48
hours without sleep, and pilots on long duration flights would
be the most likely users of the drug.

Precisely how Provigil works is unknown, even to its developers.
According to some reports, common side effects include
nervousness, insomnia, excitation, irritability, tremors,
dizziness and headaches. It may also cause "gastrointestinal
disturbances", including nausea and abdominal pain, and
cardiovascular effects such as high blood pressure and
palpitations.

Military interest in Provigil is fuelled by a desire to find
alternatives to existing stimulants used to keep tired troops
awake. While caffeine is used routinely, amphetamine - otherwise
known as speed - is is also authorised by some military forces.
But amphetamine has well-known side effects. According to Thomas
Scammell, a specialist in sleep disorder drugs at Harvard
Medical School, while the drug can effectively banish fatigue,
it can also make people jittery, more aggressive and impetuous.
"There are also plenty of cases of people leaving the military
addicted to amphetamine," he said.

In contrast to amphetamine, studies of people on Provigil
suggest that while the drug can keep them alert after going for
long periods without sleep, it is not addictive and does not
produce the potentially dangerous high associated with
amphetamine.

The US military has stepped up research into Provigil since the
1990s. In one test, at the Aeromedical Research Laboratory in
Alabama, helicopter pilots were given the drug after being kept
awake for 40 hours. The drug sharpened their performance,
especially between 3.30am and 11.30am, when tiredness is at its
peak. More recent studies at the Walter Reed Army Institute of
Research in Silver Spring, Maryland, showed people could still
function after being awake for 85 hours if given the drug.

Dr Scammell believes that while relying on drugs to stay awake
is bad in the long term, Provigil could be a better alternative
to existing drugs used by the military. "Most of the time, when
people are on [Provigil], they are just calmly awake, they don't
feel jazzed up or wired. I'm sure the military would love to
have a drug that didn't put soldiers at risk of those problems."


subject: Re: UK government broke its own law by dishing out stimulants to troops

text:
Lying toe-rags. When will the police or Medicines and Healthcare
products Regulatory Agency launch an investigation?

<http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3271803>

'Stay Awake' Drugs Only for Patients, Says MoD

By Gavin Cordon, Whitehall Editor, PA News

The Ministry of Defence tonight denied that British forces were
given drugs to enable them to operate for days without sleep.

The MoD confirmed that over the past five years it had bought
24,000 tablets of the drug Provigil which is used for the
treatment of sleep disorders but can also keep people awake
extended periods.

However it said in a statement that the quantities were
consistent with the prolonged treatment of four to six sufferers
from a sleep disorder such as narcolepsy.

It said that a report in The Guardian had given a "misleading
impression" that British troops were supplied with Provigil to
enhance their performance or prevent fatigue.

"UK Armed Forces personnel are not issued or prescribed Provigil
or any other stimulant drugs for operational or training
purposes," the statement said.

"In line with civilian medical practice, Provigil is only used
where clinically indicated for the treatment of sleep disorders
such as narcolepsy.

"The volume of supply quoted in The Guardian is consistent with
the prolonged treatment of four to six patients a year."

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:12:17 +0100, Zenobia
<[email]> wrote:


author: Ancient One

text:
I was in a select unit in the eighties and we were given a version of
pervatin, 7 day wonders we called them as it kept you going for 7 days
straight but when it wore off, oh my god...

AO


author: Joanne

text:
In article <[email]>, Zenobia says...

Old news this, "wakey wakey" pills were dished out to World War 2 pilots..


author: Havirrion

subject:
Re: UK government broke its own law by dishing out stimulants to
 troops

text:
Ancient One wrote:

Surely not 7 days without *any* sleep? Regardless of what drugs are
given after so long without sleep people start to just fall apart
psychologically.


author: DFC

text:
Ancient One wrote:

What does 'Oh my God' mean out of interest?

You slept for 7 days, became irritable?


text:
On 31 Jul 2004 07:34:55 -0700, Joanne
<[email]> wrote:

But was that against UK law back in World War 2?


author: SMACK

text:
DFC <[email]> wrote in message news:<410bb35b$0$6443$[email]>...

Amphetamines were widely used by all sides in WW2. The US gave them to
their troops on D-Day, telling them they were 'seasickness tablets'
British troops were told they were 'Horlicks Energy Tablets' on
something similar.

At the end of the war millions of Japanese were addicts, having been
given them to make them work harder in the factories.

RAF pilots, and crew wre given specially developed tablets of speed.
We couldn't have won the war without them as, once one side starts
using 'chemical agents' they get a huge advantage.

Of course old Adolf himselve survived on a cocktail of drugs including
Methylamphetamine and Morphine.

All stimulant drugs give takers a terrible 'comedown' that makes you
feel like you want to rip your head off. Lethergy, depression acute
feelings of paranoia and agression are all common. Nasty stuff.


text:
In article <[email]>, Zenobia says...

IIRC, just about all drugs were legal then...


text:
Joanne <[email]> wrote in message news:<[email]>...

No, coke, smack and dope were all made illegal in 1929 ( I think)
Amphetamine was indeed legal in the 40's and you could buy versions of
it over the counter up to about 1962ish. The Sunday papers ran a
campaign because people were starting to use these pills in a
recreational way, plus loads of women used them to control weight. I
certainly remember buying Preludin, a strong amphetamine type slimming
pill over the counter in the early sixties. IIRC they cost about 3/9d
(20p) for 12 tabs. These were the same pills that the Beatles talk
about taking in Hamburg?

However, to get back to the topic. Even if the drugs were 'legal' was
it legal to hand them out to service men and tell them they were for
sea sickness, or to give them energy? Numerous studies have shown that
performance may actually worsen after taking drugs like
Dexamphetamine. Subjects can be easily distracted and may become
confused and paranoid, especially after repeated doses over a few
days.


author: Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt

subject: Jesus

text:
You want to know Jesus, the First anointed Christ, here is a taster:-

BIRTH AND DEATH OF JESUS - PROVED

Many people know that Jesus was born of a Virgin in the manger of an Inn
situated in Bethlehem, the birth place of king David, the lion of Judah
tribe, and He died a very humiliating death on the cross at a place much
haunted and feared by people.  But why it happened so?

Why the Virgin Birth? -   The answer is very simple to the twice-born
people of "spirit", who are capable of "perceiving" and "intuition"
based upon logical reasoning.  At the same time it is well beyond the
apprehension of the once-born people of "flesh", who are capable of
"seeing" only and they believe what they could see or prove in material
terms or scientifically.  Thus, they take the Holy Books by the
"letters".  No wonder such people are also called the "people of Book"
and they address Super Servant Christ Jesus as Lord Jesus Christ so that
they could Lord over the others in His name.

Prophet Jesus, the First anointed Christ (Satguru) of God was to appear
among the people of Judah tribe who at the times of king David were
highly religious people and had a good knowledge of the Holy Books such
as Torahs.  They used to obey the moral laws of Moses to the very
"letters" and for their religious devotions; they were called the
"angelic people" or DEVTAS.  But the act of "adultery" by king David was
a "sin" that put the people of Judah tribe to a great "shame".

However, in this Dark Age, things happen "opposite" to the past
"enlightened" Ages.  Thus, the most religious people of Judah tribe
become the "highly" satanic people (misusers of the religious knowledge)
of the tribes of Isaac and they turned the shameful act of "adultery" by
their king David into an act of great pride to be boasted off publicly
with such an "arrogance" that if our king David did it, so why couldn't
we do it in the "steps" of our great king David.  In short, the people
of the Judah tribe were too clever for the rest of the tribes of Isaac.

The nature of these satanic people of Judah tribe was well illustrated
in Juda Iscariot, the only disciple of Judah tribe who, like his
forefathers, was well versed in the "letters" and accounts.  It was he
who begged Jesus to take him on for his literary skills, especially to
handle the "purse".  His love of Mammon and smartness culminated in
taking a bribe of 30 Shackles to deceive Jesus and this fact was known
to the Omniscient Jesus.  So, at the Last Supper Jesus rebuked Juda
Iscariot and turned him away for his smartness and dirty heart before He
baptised the rest of His eleven disciples in the Last Supper rites of
sacrifice.

Further, people knew that Jesus has come in the line of David among
these satanic people of Judah tribe, who had become the bad characters.
But when a woman saw Jesus doing good "deeds" worthy of the qualities
(salt) of old king David, then she remarked, "You are a real son of
David" in qualities but not in quantity or in flesh.  Remember that
Jesus healed many Jewish people but hardly any one of them thanked him
whilst a Gentile, who was healed not only thanked Jesus but he also
followed him.

Whilst the Gentile who were considered by the smart people of BOOK, the
so called Jews, to be the "simpletons", the "stones", become the great
religious people of "spirit", the Saints and earned the fame that
organisations like the present "Good Samaritan" openly speak of.

Now, the tribal "identity" of "flesh" establishes one's link or
"covenant" with our ancestors or Adam and by doing so one becomes a "son
of Man", which Jesus termed as the "wheat" plants, that our heavenly
father, the demiurge "creator" Yahweh, planted in this field of world -
Matt. 13.24-30.  But if you hide or severe your tribal link with your
ancestors as the people at present are doing so by becoming the
so-called Sikh, Muslim, Christian, Protestant, Catholic, Jew, etc. of
the "flesh" and not remaining of their "hearts" or "spirit", then such
people become the "tares" or the "sons of Satan", the fanatics and they
perform "bastardly" deeds befitting Satan that create "hell" as it is
being done in the Panjab, Lebanon, Israel, Bosnia, N. Ireland, etc.

This distinction between the "flesh" and the "spirit" St.Paul clarified
in His Saying, "A Jew is one who is inwardly (of the heart or spirit)
and not outwardly (of the flesh or tribe)".  About these "tares" Jesus,
said, "Every plant (person), which (who) my heavenly father, the
creator, did not Plant (has lost his tribal identity of flesh or has
severed his link or covenant with Adam, ancestors, or Abraham) shall be
uprooted (killed) along with the "roots", the fanatic supporters".
Christ Nanak Dev Ji stressed this in His Saying, "BEEO BEEJ (those who
keep covenant with their tribal elders) PATT LAE GAYAE (would have their
family honour intact).......

It was this tribal covenant with Abraham that St. Stephen, the first
Bishop of the Church of God was trying to explain and establish before
the high priest or the chief Rabbi in the Temple, the Master Viper, that
the Satan ordered his mountain of "fanatics" to stone him to death.

So, when Jesus was born most of the Jews, especially of the Judah tribe,
were the Jews of "flesh", the "tares", which, the creator, our heavenly
father, did not plant and he does not want to know.  Such "tares" were
not worthy of the "baptism" of John in water and He stressed that by
branding them a "brood" of vipers.  These "vipers", the spiritually sick
people especially of the Judah tribe needed Jesus, the Great Spiritual
Doctor, most and, therefore, Jesus took birth among them, the "tares",
not in a normal way but of a "Virgin".

Why in the manger of the Inn? -   Now, "Inn" is symbolic of the "Church
of God" in that as an "inn" is open to general public for the physical
rest, so is the "Universal Church of God", open to the people of all
nationalities and colours for the "spiritual" rest or regeneration.
Further, in the Church of God, unlike the Church of England, where the
king/queen of Mammon is the head, the lowest or the greatest Servant,
and not a Lord, is the Head of the Church.  So Jesus, our Royal High
Priest being the Head of our universal Church of God could not be born
anywhere else than the lowest place, the manger of the inn and that too
among the stable animals, which "serve" people as the beast of "burden".

As people are born in the tribal homes of their fathers, so, this humble
Birth of Jesus in the manger of an Inn is an "implicit" proof that the
Father of Jesus was not a normal father in flesh but God in Whose
Universal House, the Church, He took His Birth.  The stress laid by
St.Paul that Jesus was second Adam also confirms His Virgin Birth.

Further, Jesus when He was twelve years old, the age at which a boy is
certain who his father is, stayed behind in Jerusalem in His Father's
House whilst Joseph and Mary came looking for him, is also a proof that
His Father was God and not a human one.  Remember that the Hajj rites of
Abraham used to be for the boys aged 12 to 16 to establish their
covenants with their tribal elders and not for the grown up men or women
as it is presently happening reflecting the religious Darkness.

Now, the death of Jesus became a controversial issue among the people of
BOOK, the so-called Christians.  This issue is best tackled by knowing
that whatsoever applies to "flesh", the opposite applies to the matters
of "spirit".  Thus, in flesh every one of us has his own parents whilst
in spirit all of us have God as our single Parent, both Mother and
Father.  Kings rest their heads in the comforts of their palaces,
whereas our Royal King had no place even to rest His head (There is
another reason also but could be explained later on).  Kings normally
die a natural death in the comforts of their palaces well attended by
their courtiers and nobles whilst our Royal King Jesus was to face an
un-natural death of a very humiliating nature at a place much haunted
and feared by the general public and that too among the company of two
criminals; one of "flesh" who asked Jesus to set him free through His mi
miraculous Powers whilst the other of "spirit" acknowledged his fate but
at the same time he proclaimed that Jesus is dying for no wrong doing
i.e. even the criminals of "spirit" knew Jesus better than the lawyers
of "letters", the Rabbis.  Kings put on happily very expensive and
comfortable crowns made of the artificial materials whilst our Royal
King Jesus was forcibly put upon a very uncomfortable befitting crown
made of the natural living thorny bush against His Will.  In fact, the
death by stoning is not as humiliating and none of the Apostles met such
a humiliating death as Jesus did.

Here, it is worthwhile to mention the birth of the Second anointed
Christ in the name of Nanak, Who appeared in India among the people of
Khatri tribe, who, like the people of Judah tribe, were angelic or DEVTA
people in the past enlightened Age (TRETA) but they had become the most
satanic people in this Dark Age.  But the birth of the Second anointed
Christ, called "SATGURU" in Panjabi, was not of a Virgin, as the people
of the Khatri tribe had not severed their covenant with their ancestors
by becoming the Hindus of flesh or tribe.  That is, they remained Khatri
tribal people.  Thus, the spiritually sick people of Khatri tribe,
especially those who became Mullahs, were the sworn enemies of the
Satgurus and the Royal Kings.  In short, the people of Judah tribe in
the Middle East and of the Khatri tribe in India are great opportunists
and they have a great love for Mammon or "GREED" and, therefore, they
exploited the religious people to their utmost for their selfish
motives.  Remember that all the people of a certain tribe cannot be good
or bad but in general a certain trait is dominant among the people of a
particular tribe.

Further, in general, people of the West are seeking God more sincerely
than the people of the East but they are mostly blind to the matters of
"spirit".  This is well illustrated in the Parable of the Samaritan
woman at the well - John 4, who had Five husbands, KAAM (immorality),
KARODHH (anger), LOBH (greed), MOH (material love) and the Last one
HANKAAR (pride of her religious knowledge as she proclaimed Jesus to be
a Prophet), a husband living with her but she had overpowered it too for
she engaged Jesus in deep discussion.  But the Book people take the
literal sense and call this most knowledgeable and pious woman Jesus
ever met in His ministry as a "prostitute" marrying one husband after
the other.

Unfortunately, the so-called Sikhs of beards and turbans are familiar
with these five husbands but they are incapable of explaining them to
the Christians either.  Remember that the word "Sikh" stands for a
student of spiritual knowledge and he is known by what comes out of his
own mouth rather than what the Books say.  Funny costumes as put on by
the clerics do not make a person religious but a hypocrite, that Jesus
condemned the most.

So, both in Satguru Jesus and Christ Nanak, it is the "quality" of
speech that counts and not the reciting of the holy verses from the
Books or the dog-collars/robes of hypocrisy in which case they proclaim
to be working for God but they get paid for their labour in the currency
of Mammon.

In Kal Yug or the Dark Age, every one has to give his own account to God
and those who follow the so-called Sants or holy men blindly are wasting
their invaluable life as such false hypocrite Sants cannot give your
account to God.  Therefore, go by your own christ/satguru, the
 "innerman" or "ANTAR GURU" and experience "Philo", "ANAND" in the
company of the twice-born people of spirit/SURTI.

"HOLY SPIRIT (SURTI/common sense) SHATTERS THE FETTERS OF THE LETTERS
(Holy Books)"

Rom. 14.12: - Live by your own christ, the "innerman".
No christ (spirit), no Gospel and no salvation but Hell.

                                     Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar, M.Sc.
    144, Hamilton Road, Reading, Berkshire RG1 5RE, United Kingdom,
                                          Tel. 0118 962 3200

Gnostics are the living christs (satgurus) and NOT Christians, of Living
God/Par Brahm (Spirit),
Remember that to your Three "Gurus" mother, father and Pandit/Rabbi, you
render money or "MAYA" and they would give you "TANN CHINDAYA PHALL",
JATTEE, a healthy physical body.
To your "Satguru" Nanak Dev Ji/Christ Jesus, you render your "MUNN" or
"mind" for receiving Gospel, "MUNN CHINDAYA PHALL", SATT and,
To your "Sachae Paatshah" Gobind Singh Ji, you render your "JATTEE &
SATTEE TANN & MUNN" or the "physical body & mind" as sacrifice for
acquiring Salvation or "MUKT DAAN".
SACH is bitter but it leads you to heaven whilst SATT is extremely
bitter but it leads you to ANAND/Salvation.
Falsehoods or KOORRS are extremely sweet, MAKHAEON MITHHA, but they lead
you to Hell.

      For articles on sister Christian and Sikh communities, visit:-

http://www.nijjhar.freeserve.co.uk/gnostic.htm
http://www.nijjhar.freeserve.co.uk/sikhism.htm

              MY LECTURES ARE FREE.
THERE IS NO COPYRIGHT WHATSOEVER.
WORD OF GOD IS RECEIVED FREE AND
FREELY IT IS GIVEN.
MY LECTURES/TALKS ARE GIVEN "FREE".

People of Israel being anti-Semitic unfaithful to Abraham, the Father of
the faithful, there shall be no peace and they are rather bundled up for
final burning as stated in the Parable of wheat and tares.  For details,
read my article on the Chosen People.


author: AAlsbrook

subject: Re: Jesus

text:
Oh please, that's a bunch of malarkey.

How interesting that 'Chirst' is just one of many ancient 'Sun' dieties born of
a virgin mother and cruicified ( Krishna, Mithras, Horus...) .  The sun
symbolically 'dies on  December 21 (winter equinox),, and begins its slow
ascension again on December 25th,,,um,,not coincidentally, JEEZUS birthday !!
The birth of the 'Sun'  !!

And of course scholars already admit Christmas is just a bastardization of this
 old pagan tradition of 'yule' and so on...same thing indeed. Ditto for Easter,
and the 'crucifying' of the 'SON/SUN as it crosses the center of the zodiac in
the VIRGO/VIRGIN sign..... Hmm, that explains the Mary/Isis/Queen Semaramis
similarities.

Oh, and Easter is just another pagan holiday, too, by the way.

 To educate yourself that 'Jesus' never existed and was a composite solar diety
formulated by the Roman Empire for political control over the people, please
read 'The Christ Conspiracy'.  It's based on solid archaeological evidence.  If
most Christians knew the 'truth' they would be harder to control. (This is true
with all cults).

Knowledge=Power=Truth=Freedom......


author: bluskie

subject: Re: Jesus

text:
[email] (AAlsbrook) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Yes we knew that, intuitively.


subject: Re: Jesus

text:
"bluskie" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
news:<[email]>...
dieties born of
sun
slow
birthday !!
bastardization of this
for Easter,
zodiac in
Semaramis
solar diety
people, please
evidence.  If
(This is true

Without holy spirit = common sense you get no Truth but sweeter than
honey falsehoods.

Rajinder


author: Pastor Njygaard

subject: Re: Jesus

text:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:18:02 -0000, "Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt"
<[email]> wrote:

Hey. Sexy. The equation game. I've got a good one. The L-space
equation.

Knowledge = Power = Energy = Matter = Mass

Proving beyond all doubt that a sufficiently large library should
distort space just as a large body of matter. Explains how I seem to
gravitate to any bookshop I pass by.

...


author: timr

subject: Re: Jesus

text:
Hi,
I've done several years of research on truth and the bible.  Uploaded
some brand new translations to my web site.  Check it out.  I'd love
to hear your comments.  www.JesusInSummary.com
Ciao,
Tim Reago


subject: Re: Jesus

text:
Hi,

I had a glance at it but without holy spirit you are lost.

Holy spirit is common sense please.  For details, visit my web site.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Jesus

text:
"timr" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

All falsehood! There is no God or Jesus Christ.


author: David V.

subject: Re: Jesus

text:
timr wrote:

Then you must have come to the same conclusion I, and
billions of others, have come too; there is no truth in the
bible.


subject: Re: Jesus

text:
Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt wrote:

Actually, it's the other way around. Your blindness caused
by your religion is getting in your way. I am not lost and
I'm trying to help you find the way. First, you have to
think. Thinking is the enemy of religion. Once you start to
think all those gods will just disappear. Try it, you'll
live a much better life.


author: Ahn Fyuh Wi Dizayah

subject: Re: Jesus

text:
If one slows down to think about it...

Ahn Fyuh Wi Dizayah's Anti-Racism List presents:

THE NAZI GREEN PHENOMENON

-*-

You may also want to see my Anti-Racist Resources List.

http://www.geocities.com/g848138/anti-racist.txt

-*-

My Encounter

With A 'Nazi Green'
by Judson Cox

During the '2000 elections, I was enrolled as a student at the University Of
Georgia. During a presidential election, a large university campus is a
fascinating place to be. It is a microcosm of political views, ranging from
the mainstream to the absurd. During the election season, I was involved
with both Republican and Libertarian club events, though the colorful
activities of other political factions did not escape my attention. The
daily panorama of politics ranged from Libertarian gun raffles, which
succeeded in raising funds and generating media attention, to parades of
Greens, with their threats of violence, their costumes, and their typically
macabre signs decrying capitalism, environmental destruction, and the
military. There were also the banal activities of the Gore/Lieberman
supporters, and the politically incorrect witticisms that have come to be
expected from College Republicans.

The smaller organizations ranged from racial identity groups, hardcore
communists, holdout supporters of Jell-O Biafra, and Frank Zappa For
President boosters (surely a boon for the running mate, as Zappa had
recently expired). There was even a loose-knit cadre of anarchists and
Marxists who leafleted and spray-painted the campus with the message:
"Pigasus For President." I assume that this was not the same pig that the
Yippies ran against President Nixon. Given that many in this group
identified themselves as witches, however, I will not rule out reanimation.

Not long before the election madness, I met a girl who gave me a unique
insight into the Left. When I met this girl, who shall remain unnamed, she
was not committed to any political ideology. She was an unusually bright
girl; attractive and well humored, with a scathing wit. We spent a good deal
of time together. But at some point after our meeting, she began a strange
transformation. Gradually, her mood darkened; her humor became far more
negative and surfaced less frequently. She began avoiding political
discussions. Eventually, she admitted to me that she had become a Nazi (yes,
an actual Hitler-quoting Nazi).

Of course, I tried to dissuade her. I did my best to explain the failures of
socialism, and to defend the Jewish people. I attempted both reason and
emotion. I debunked the "Protocols Of The Wise Men Of Zion" as Czarist
propaganda, and I countered the conspiracy theories concerning the
Rothchilds and Israel. I listed the great accomplishments of famous Jews. I
even convinced her that science, philosophy, religion, art, economics, and
literature have all been greatly furthered by Jewish accomplishments. Though
it was all for naught. She had surrounded herself with charismatic Nazis,
and had been thoroughly persuaded by their lies. It was the end of our
friendship.

Time passed, and we traveled in different circles. It was not until the
'2000 election that our paths crossed again. I spotted her among a mob of
Green Party members who were agitating to get Ralph Nader on the ballot. At
the time, I hoped Nader would be to Al Gore what Ross Perot was to George
Bush, so I approached her and offered to sign her petition.

"Hey, ____," I said, "I thought you were a Nazi; what are you doing
supporting Nader?"

"I am a Nazi," she replied, "That's why I'm supporting Nader."

I must have looked a bit puzzled, because she continued, "What do you think
Nazism is? It's National Socialism. Only we don't support any one nation. We
want an end to all capitalist governments, and the environmental destruction
they entail. Also, we're all against the Jews. The Jews run everything; they
are responsible for capitalist exploitation and environmental destruction.
They are responsible for poverty, war, and global warming. What they are
doing to Palestine, they will do to all of us if we let them."

"So," I asked in disbelief, "the Green Party is anti-Semitic?"

"Most of us are," she replied, "Some of us even call ourselves 'Nazi Greens,
' especially in Europe."

"You are insane," I told her, as I walked away, feeling nauseous.

This exchange helped me understand what would otherwise be a puzzling
phenomenon. That is, in the past few years, the Left has grown increasingly
anti-Semitic. On its face, this just does not make sense. Jews are generally
associated with liberal causes, yet modern liberalism is growing less
accepting of Jews. The work of western intellectuals like Edward Said,
longtime champion of radical Palestinians, is partly to blame for the Left's
increasing anti-Semitism; but this problem reaches far beyond the
Palestinian cause. The Leftwing movement that began with Israeli divestment
campaigns (which equate Israel to Apartheid South Africa) on college
campuses has grown to the point where the phrase "Zionist conspiracy" is a
virtual shibboleth (if you will pardon the expression).

The rise of anti-Semitism on the Left came to a head following the September
11th terror attacks. With the appearance of books claiming to prove that
Israel was behind the attacks, the Zionist conspiracy became common
currency. Liberal websites and leaders spread this message, until blatant
anti-Semitism became commonplace at every war protest. Leftwing, Francophile
protesters brandished placards blaming the world's ills on Jews, while their
French counterparts defaced synagogues and graves, and attacked Jews in the
streets.

This tide of sentiment is not limited to young radicals. Indeed, there is
now a veritable cottage industry in which lawyers, led by the ACLU, make a
living defending those who seek to, or who actively encourage, killing Jews
in Israel and abroad. More and more, the Left makes it clear that the only
religion of which they approve is the one that preaches the killing of Jews
(and Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.)- radical Islam.

Even among mainstream democrats, anti-Semitism is not condemned. When Jesse
Jackson used the slur, "hymie town," a single liberal did not denounce him,
nor was Al Sharpton rebuked when he said he would not tolerate a Hadassah
(Lieberman's wife) in the White House. And Hillary Clinton is forgiven for
reportedly calling Dick Morris a "Jew bastard." The "Zionist conspiracy" is
even being leveled against the Bush administration as the term
"neoconservative" has resurfaced as a synonym for 'Jewish conservative.'


author: Phylter

subject: Re: Jesus

text:
"Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt" <[email]> astounded us
with: news:MaGFb.123$[email]:

Common sense isn't THAT common


subject: Re: Jesus

text:
Then answer any question:-
Let us see how many questions can you answer?

BIBLE UNDERSTANDING

Most of the people study Bible like a novel without understanding it and
get confused when they are asked very simple questions. Some of these
are put down here for your own spiritual assessment.

In the Light of John 3.6-8, of the "Flesh"(Adam) is born "flesh" and of
the "Spirit"(God) is "spirit", then who created Adam and Eve? Could
Mythology be Reality?

If "sin" is the transgression against the Moral Laws of Moses, then do
you commit "sin" or "blasphemy" against God? Why Jesus condemned
"hypocrisy" more than the "sin"?

Why John, the Baptist came to "Pave the Way" for Jesus? Can you become
the "son of God" without being a "son of Man"? Why John, the Baptist,
was not given his father's surname? Which tribe John belonged to and
what is its significance in the light of Moses?

Why Jesus took a "Virgin Birth" among the people of Judah tribe? Why the
birth of Jesus was in the manger of an inn situated in Bethlehem? Why
Jesus was the Light whilst John, the Baptist was not the Light but a
witness to the Light? Why Jesus called Nicodemus a "ruler" whereas He
himself came to serve and not to be served?

What are the "wheat" plants and the "tares"? Why Jesus called His
disciples the "salt of the earth"? Why Jesus performed miracles among
the villagers and not in Jerusalem except that of the "Fig tree"? What
is the significance of making the fig tree wither in Jerusalem?

In whose name John was baptising men in water? Why John did not baptise
a woman or a child? In whose name John, the Baptist was baptising men?
Why the Isac - Abraham and Ishmael - Abraham stories of sacrifice
differ? Which one is the true one?

Why Jesus had twelve men chosen as His disciples? Why Jesus Himself
never baptised anyone but left it to His disciples to do so? Why Jesus
sent 70 of His "outer circle" disciples in pairs to cure the physically
sick people? Why the Jerusalem Temple, the "Holiest of Holy" Temple in
the world was destroyed for ever in 70 A.D.? Can the present Jews of
"flesh" rebuild it?

What is the difference between "teaching" and "preaching"? Why in Jesus
our covenant is of the "Holy Spirit" and not that of the "letters" i.e.
the Epistle of Christ cannot be written in ink on paper - 2cor.3? In
Moses, the Rabbis were teaching the moral laws of Moses and Jesus being
the anointed Royal High Priest of God, we have the Gospel, "His Word"
revealed to us through our Mother, "Holy Spirit". In Jesus, do we still
stand in the need of manly priests similar to those of Moses, who put on
dog-collars, funny robes, etc.? Was Jesus a "Teacher" or a "Preacher"?
What is Holy spirit and Holy Spirit?

Why a woman cannot "teach", baptise people in water, become a deacon in
a Church of God, conduct the marriage rites, etc. but she can "preach"
the Gospel and share the "Last Supper", the Baptism of Jesus in "Holy
Spirit" or the "hiring" of Labourers? When did Jesus, the Foreman, pay
"Wage" to His "hired" Labourers?

Why a bishop can teach, baptise men in water, conduct birth, marriage
and death rites, etc. but he cannot "preach" the Gospel? Why the
preaching of Gospel is for the roving Preachers?
Why John refused to baptise the Jerusalem Pharisees and Sadducees in
water and rather taunted them by calling them a "Brood of Vipers"? Why
many Pharisees could not become the disciples of Jesus? Why Simon, the
Pharisee did not honour Jesus but Mary, a sinner did and left her
profession of prostitution for good?

Why St.Stephen prayed for those who were stoning Him to death? Was
"Saul" a bad person at heart? Why he killed the disciples of Jesus?

What is the "old wine", "old skin", "old cloth", "New Wine", "New skin"
and the "New Cloth"? Why you cannot patch an old cloth with the New
Cloth or take the New Wine on top of the old? Can you "teach" the New
Testament in the universities and colleges? Can you receive the Gospel
without the "grace" of God or revelations? Why Saul changed his name to
Paul after the Damascus miracle?

Why Peter was given the Key to the kingdom of heaven? Why St.Peter was
most drunk at the Pentecost? Why St.Peter requested His executors to
hang Him head down? Why St.Peter put Ananias and Sapphira to death for
telling a lie whilst the other Apostles or Jesus never cursed or put
anyone to death?

What is the difference between an "Angel" and a "Saint" and the "kingdom
of heaven" and the "Royal Kingdom of God"?

What tribe was Judas Iscariot and why did he deceive Jesus? Did Judas
Iscariot partake in the "Last Supper"? In whose name was "Bread" broken
and shared and "Wine" was drunk? How do you "Water" the Branch of the
"Vine" whose roots are in Jesus and produces "New Wine"? What is
"intuition"?

If our wisdom is "she" to the Wisdom of God, then why do we renew our
"inner man" and not an "inner woman"? If we are to go by the
"righteousness of God", then the "edicts" or "Fatwas" of Pope/Bishops
are of "christ" or of the "antichrist"? What is the best weapon to fight
the antichrist or Beast with? What is the difference between "INSHALLAH"
and "INSHPOPE" or "INSHMULLAH"? What is the meaning of the word Islam?

Why the Parable of Marriage and Divorce, Matt.19, is opposite in
narration to the laws of Moses?

Why in Jesus we are called the "Royal Priests" and "Royal Kings"? In
Moses the priests are called "Rabbi"; what the "Royal Priests" in Jesus
are called?

Why in Moses only the men of specific tribes could become "priests" but
in Jesus, both men and women of all tribes can become the "Royal
Priests"?

Why in Moses the people were "alienated" from God and the Jews shouted
Jesus to be a "blasphemous" when He declared the "Sonship of God"? Why
in Jesus "blasphemy" is against "Holy Spirit" and not against God or
"Son of God"? Is it not a "blasphemy" to call Jesus a Lord and God but
to export weapons(stones) to the poor third world countries or to bless
the warships of Beast? If Jesus and we have the same Loving and Merciful
Father, what relationship we bear to Jesus? Lord or Brother!!! If a
bishop is appointed by Queen, the head of Mammon in U.K., then how could
such a bishop serve God?

Why in Jesus our praises lie with and witness is our Father and not the
men as in the case of Moses you need at least two witnesses to support
your statement?

Why the "ego" of flesh is the enemy of the "Spirit" of God? Why "letter"
killeth and "spirit" giveth Life?

What is the "significance" of the "Promised Land" and the "chosen
people"? Why the "Promised Land" did become barren when the Jews became
unfaithful to Yahweh or Abraham and become lush green when the Jews of
spirit returned from Egypt? Why Moses himself did not accompany them
into the "Promised Land"? Why Israel was created in May, 1948?

Why the nations are making the "Atomic" weapons now and not earlier, say
100 years ago?
Why in Jesus, it is advisable to present the other cheek than to hit the
person back as in Moses? Why Jesus said, "Those who take to sword shall
die by the sword"? What is the fishing of men?

Did the soldiers who died in the two world wars glorify God or Mammon?

What was the difference between the physical bodies of Jesus before and
after the resurrection? Where did the "crucified" body of Jesus go?

What is the significance of the rending of the "Holiest of Holy" Temple
Curtain from top to bottom? Can Pope, bishop or your priest give your
account to God?

Why the people of West did not have a Prophet like Jesus and are more
sincerely seeking God? Why "Christ" in the name of "Jesus" first
appeared in the Middle East and then in India in the name of "Nanak"?
Who was crucified on the "Cross"; Jesus or Christ?

Why the women are more religious and compassionate than the men?

Many more questions could be posed and the answers lie with the living
"christs" and not with the dead "christians" of the "Letters", best
termed as "Super Donkeys" carrying Holy Books!!!!!

MATTERS OF SPIRIT ARE KNOWN TO THE LIVING "CHRISTS" OR THE SONS OF GOD
BY THE "GRACE" OF THEIR FATHER AND NOT TO THE DEAD CHRISTIANS OF
"LETTERS", WHO TRAMPLE OVER SUCH TREASURES LIKE A SWINE THUMPING THE
BIBLE ON THE TABLE LIKE A MAD MAN.

FURTHER, CHRIST NANAK HAS DESCRIBED THIS GOLDEN DARK AGE AS THE AGE OF
"SPIRIT" IN WHICH YOU GO BY THE WISDOM OF YOUR OWN "CHRIST" AND THE WORD
OF GOD IS YOUR GURU AND COMMON SENSE, THE STUDENT. ANY COMMENTS?

HOLY SPIRIT SHATTERS THE FETTERS OF LETTERS.

For further discussion, please contact:-

Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar, M.Sc.
Retired Senior Lecturer in Metallurgy
0118 962 3200

Gnostics are the living christs (satgurus) and NOT Christians, of Living
God/Par Brahm (Spirit),

Holy spirit (common sense or Surti) shatters the fetters of the Letters
(Holy Books).

Scriptures + Holy spirit = Gospel

Remember that to your Three "Gurus" mother, father and Pandit/Rabbi, you
render money or "MAYA" and they would give you
"TANN CHINDAYA PHALL", a healthy physical body.

To your "Satguru" Nanak Dev Ji/Christ Jesus, you render your "MUNN" or
"mind" for receiving Gospel, "MUNN CHINDAYA PHALL" and,

To your "Sachae Paatshah" Gobind Singh Ji, you render your "TANN" or the
"physical body" as sacrifice for acquiring Salvation or "MUKT DAAN".

SACH is bitter but it leads you to heaven whilst SATT is extremely
bitter but it leads you to ANAND/Salvation.

Falsehoods or KOORRS are extremely sweet, MAKHAEON MITHHA, but they lead
you to Hell as it happened during the Partition.

      For articles on sister Christian and Sikh communities by a
Sahajdhari Sikh, visit:-

http://www.nijjhar.freeserve.co.uk/gnostic.htm
http://www.nijjhar.freeserve.co.uk/sikhism.htm

"David V." <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Pastor Frank

subject: Re: Jesus

text:
"David V." <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
    Your god(s) / ideals have "disappeared" long ago, that is why you are so
cynical and paranoid. But your ideals didn't disappear because you started
thinking, they disappeared because you stopped thinking.


subject: Re: Jesus

text:
"Phylter" <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns945DBB2261462Smeagolsbane@192.189.54.177...
us
Let us see how many questions can you answer?

BIBLE UNDERSTANDING

Most of the people study Bible like a novel without understanding it and
get confused when they are asked very simple questions. Some of these
are put down here for your own spiritual assessment.

In the Light of John 3.6-8, of the "Flesh"(Adam) is born "flesh" and of
the "Spirit"(God) is "spirit", then who created Adam and Eve? Could
Mythology be Reality?

If "sin" is the transgression against the Moral Laws of Moses, then do
you commit "sin" or "blasphemy" against God? Why Jesus condemned
"hypocrisy" more than the "sin"?

Why John, the Baptist came to "Pave the Way" for Jesus? Can you become
the "son of God" without being a "son of Man"? Why John, the Baptist,
was not given his father's surname? Which tribe John belonged to and
what is its significance in the light of Moses?

Why Jesus took a "Virgin Birth" among the people of Judah tribe? Why the
birth of Jesus was in the manger of an inn situated in Bethlehem? Why
Jesus was the Light whilst John, the Baptist was not the Light but a
witness to the Light? Why Jesus called Nicodemus a "ruler" whereas He
himself came to serve and not to be served?

What are the "wheat" plants and the "tares"? Why Jesus called His
disciples the "salt of the earth"? Why Jesus performed miracles among
the villagers and not in Jerusalem except that of the "Fig tree"? What
is the significance of making the fig tree wither in Jerusalem?

In whose name John was baptising men in water? Why John did not baptise
a woman or a child? In whose name John, the Baptist was baptising men?
Why the Isac - Abraham and Ishmael - Abraham stories of sacrifice
differ? Which one is the true one?

Why Jesus had twelve men chosen as His disciples? Why Jesus Himself
never baptised anyone but left it to His disciples to do so? Why Jesus
sent 70 of His "outer circle" disciples in pairs to cure the physically
sick people? Why the Jerusalem Temple, the "Holiest of Holy" Temple in
the world was destroyed for ever in 70 A.D.? Can the present Jews of
"flesh" rebuild it?

What is the difference between "teaching" and "preaching"? Why in Jesus
our covenant is of the "Holy Spirit" and not that of the "letters" i.e.
the Epistle of Christ cannot be written in ink on paper - 2cor.3? In
Moses, the Rabbis were teaching the moral laws of Moses and Jesus being
the anointed Royal High Priest of God, we have the Gospel, "His Word"
revealed to us through our Mother, "Holy Spirit". In Jesus, do we still
stand in the need of manly priests similar to those of Moses, who put on
dog-collars, funny robes, etc.? Was Jesus a "Teacher" or a "Preacher"?
What is Holy spirit and Holy Spirit?

Why a woman cannot "teach", baptise people in water, become a deacon in
a Church of God, conduct the marriage rites, etc. but she can "preach"
the Gospel and share the "Last Supper", the Baptism of Jesus in "Holy
Spirit" or the "hiring" of Labourers? When did Jesus, the Foreman, pay
"Wage" to His "hired" Labourers?

Why a bishop can teach, baptise men in water, conduct birth, marriage
and death rites, etc. but he cannot "preach" the Gospel? Why the
preaching of Gospel is for the roving Preachers?
Why John refused to baptise the Jerusalem Pharisees and Sadducees in
water and rather taunted them by calling them a "Brood of Vipers"? Why
many Pharisees could not become the disciples of Jesus? Why Simon, the
Pharisee did not honour Jesus but Mary, a sinner did and left her
profession of prostitution for good?

Why St.Stephen prayed for those who were stoning Him to death? Was
"Saul" a bad person at heart? Why he killed the disciples of Jesus?

What is the "old wine", "old skin", "old cloth", "New Wine", "New skin"
and the "New Cloth"? Why you cannot patch an old cloth with the New
Cloth or take the New Wine on top of the old? Can you "teach" the New
Testament in the universities and colleges? Can you receive the Gospel
without the "grace" of God or revelations? Why Saul changed his name to
Paul after the Damascus miracle?

Why Peter was given the Key to the kingdom of heaven? Why St.Peter was
most drunk at the Pentecost? Why St.Peter requested His executors to
hang Him head down? Why St.Peter put Ananias and Sapphira to death for
telling a lie whilst the other Apostles or Jesus never cursed or put
anyone to death?

What is the difference between an "Angel" and a "Saint" and the "kingdom
of heaven" and the "Royal Kingdom of God"?

What tribe was Judas Iscariot and why did he deceive Jesus? Did Judas
Iscariot partake in the "Last Supper"? In whose name was "Bread" broken
and shared and "Wine" was drunk? How do you "Water" the Branch of the
"Vine" whose roots are in Jesus and produces "New Wine"? What is
"intuition"?

If our wisdom is "she" to the Wisdom of God, then why do we renew our
"inner man" and not an "inner woman"? If we are to go by the
"righteousness of God", then the "edicts" or "Fatwas" of Pope/Bishops
are of "christ" or of the "antichrist"? What is the best weapon to fight
the antichrist or Beast with? What is the difference between "INSHALLAH"
and "INSHPOPE" or "INSHMULLAH"? What is the meaning of the word Islam?

Why the Parable of Marriage and Divorce, Matt.19, is opposite in
narration to the laws of Moses?

Why in Jesus we are called the "Royal Priests" and "Royal Kings"? In
Moses the priests are called "Rabbi"; what the "Royal Priests" in Jesus
are called?

Why in Moses only the men of specific tribes could become "priests" but
in Jesus, both men and women of all tribes can become the "Royal
Priests"?

Why in Moses the people were "alienated" from God and the Jews shouted
Jesus to be a "blasphemous" when He declared the "Sonship of God"? Why
in Jesus "blasphemy" is against "Holy Spirit" and not against God or
"Son of God"? Is it not a "blasphemy" to call Jesus a Lord and God but
to export weapons(stones) to the poor third world countries or to bless
the warships of Beast? If Jesus and we have the same Loving and Merciful
Father, what relationship we bear to Jesus? Lord or Brother!!! If a
bishop is appointed by Queen, the head of Mammon in U.K., then how could
such a bishop serve God?

Why in Jesus our praises lie with and witness is our Father and not the
men as in the case of Moses you need at least two witnesses to support
your statement?

Why the "ego" of flesh is the enemy of the "Spirit" of God? Why "letter"
killeth and "spirit" giveth Life?

What is the "significance" of the "Promised Land" and the "chosen
people"? Why the "Promised Land" did become barren when the Jews became
unfaithful to Yahweh or Abraham and become lush green when the Jews of
spirit returned from Egypt? Why Moses himself did not accompany them
into the "Promised Land"? Why Israel was created in May, 1948?

Why the nations are making the "Atomic" weapons now and not earlier, say
100 years ago?
Why in Jesus, it is advisable to present the other cheek than to hit the
person back as in Moses? Why Jesus said, "Those who take to sword shall
die by the sword"? What is the fishing of men?

Did the soldiers who died in the two world wars glorify God or Mammon?

What was the difference between the physical bodies of Jesus before and
after the resurrection? Where did the "crucified" body of Jesus go?

What is the significance of the rending of the "Holiest of Holy" Temple
Curtain from top to bottom? Can Pope, bishop or your priest give your
account to God?

Why the people of West did not have a Prophet like Jesus and are more
sincerely seeking God? Why "Christ" in the name of "Jesus" first
appeared in the Middle East and then in India in the name of "Nanak"?
Who was crucified on the "Cross"; Jesus or Christ?

Why the women are more religious and compassionate than the men?

Many more questions could be posed and the answers lie with the living
"christs" and not with the dead "christians" of the "Letters", best
termed as "Super Donkeys" carrying Holy Books!!!!!

MATTERS OF SPIRIT ARE KNOWN TO THE LIVING "CHRISTS" OR THE SONS OF GOD
BY THE "GRACE" OF THEIR FATHER AND NOT TO THE DEAD CHRISTIANS OF
"LETTERS", WHO TRAMPLE OVER SUCH TREASURES LIKE A SWINE THUMPING THE
BIBLE ON THE TABLE LIKE A MAD MAN.

FURTHER, CHRIST NANAK HAS DESCRIBED THIS GOLDEN DARK AGE AS THE AGE OF
"SPIRIT" IN WHICH YOU GO BY THE WISDOM OF YOUR OWN "CHRIST" AND THE WORD
OF GOD IS YOUR GURU AND COMMON SENSE, THE STUDENT. ANY COMMENTS?

HOLY SPIRIT SHATTERS THE FETTERS OF LETTERS.

For further discussion, please contact:-

Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar, M.Sc.
Retired Senior Lecturer in Metallurgy
0118 962 3200

Gnostics are the living christs (satgurus) and NOT Christians, of Living
God/Par Brahm (Spirit),

Holy spirit (common sense or Surti) shatters the fetters of the Letters
(Holy Books).

Scriptures + Holy spirit = Gospel

Remember that to your Three "Gurus" mother, father and Pandit/Rabbi, you
render money or "MAYA" and they would give you
"TANN CHINDAYA PHALL", a healthy physical body.

To your "Satguru" Nanak Dev Ji/Christ Jesus, you render your "MUNN" or
"mind" for receiving Gospel, "MUNN CHINDAYA PHALL" and,

To your "Sachae Paatshah" Gobind Singh Ji, you render your "TANN" or the
"physical body" as sacrifice for acquiring Salvation or "MUKT DAAN".

SACH is bitter but it leads you to heaven whilst SATT is extremely
bitter but it leads you to ANAND/Salvation.

Falsehoods or KOORRS are extremely sweet, MAKHAEON MITHHA, but they lead
you to Hell as it happened during the Partition.

      For articles on sister Christian and Sikh communities by a
Sahajdhari Sikh, visit:-

http://www.nijjhar.freeserve.co.uk/gnostic.htm
http://www.nijjhar.freeserve.co.uk/sikhism.htm

You are right.  How could Queen defend the faith of God when she is the
head of Mammon?


author: Halah

subject: Re: Jesus

text:
Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt...

No.

MORE LIKE BABBLE UNDERSTANDING AM I RITE LOL


author: S. C. Claus, esq

subject: Re: Jesus

text:
Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt wrote:

A ***lot*** more than you can.


subject: Re: Jesus

text:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:13:07 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<[email]> wrote:

Pa F? What are you doing all alone and lost in cyberspace on Yule day?
Shouldn't you be busy at home breaking up the floorboards to fetch out
your family for christmas dinner?

...


subject: Re: Jesus

text:
Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt...

Jesus fucking christ, can you do nothing but post the same shit into
every argument?


subject: Re: Jesus

text:
"Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt" <[email]> astounded us
with: news:8gSIb.116$[email]:

Let's not, the bible is full of shit, as are you, fuck off!


subject: Re: Jesus

text:
[email] (Pastor Njygaard) wrote in message news:<[email]>...
 they are christimas dinner and it's taking him a alot longer then
normal to catch them, cockroaches are smarter then most christians.


author: erikc

subject: Re: A Random Act.......

text:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:48:16 -0400
"Dore Williamson" <[email]> wrote:
-- origin: alt.christnet.second-coming.real-soon-now:

Sex IS better than "eternal life in heaven" because "eternal life in
heaven" is a lie made up by people afraid of death to comfort themselves
with.  Sex is at least real and enjoyable, and in some cases "heavenly".
Try it some time.

Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight             |      "The Truth against the World."
ICQ 26776011             |                           -- Bardic Motto

"Today on Jerry Springer:  Religious whack jobs melt down before your
very eyes..."

======
"There is four of us. All with the same spirit. There is God,
the Father, the Creator of the Universe, the God of Gods. The
there is the Holy Spirit, which is the power and indwelling
of Godliness, and then there is the first Christ, the teacher
and sacrificial lamb, and then, there is me, the judge and
redeemer. We are all one, in the same Godhead, but at times
separate entities."
                Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:49:28 -0500
                From: "Dore Williamson" <[email]>
                Message-ID: <[email]>
======
"NOT believing I am Christ is insanity and ignorance of
prophetic scripture to your own eternal demise. But that isn't
my problem. If you think sanity is ignorance, arrogance, and
infidelity of Christ, and your eventual eternal justice in hell,
then you have no clue of what sanity is."

                Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:04:38 -0500
                From: "Dore Williamson" <[email]>
                Message-ID: <[email]>
======
Remove "21" to respond.


author: Dore Williamson

subject: Re: A Random Act.......

text:
you wrote..

No, eternal life in heaven is a reality of your souls fate. Denial of God,
and the ignorance of the fact of man's intricate creation and ability to
procreate, that this great occurrence is limited by false understanding, as
to have occurred out of nothing, has no source and happened all by itself is
absurd and ridiculous, for the men of knowledge and wisdom. Those who KNOW
that eternal life is assured have NO fear of death, as you surmise, but
those who have no knowledge of this hope, have nothing to look forward to,
but blindness and ignorance of their fate, think that sex is the most
pleasurable and enjoyable thing that there is in life, having no concept of
the realities that the inner soul and man's peaceful spirit, and  what's
drive them to joy, happiness and security, denying the truth even to
themselves. I have had much sex in my life, I also had the experience of
eternal life and heaven to compare it to, and hands down, sex is no contest.
Heaven and the kingdom of God, is steadfast, real, true, and more peaceful,
enjoyable, joyous, happy and secure than any one moment in the throngs of
passionate lust. Having experienced both, awesome sex and heavenly dominion,
I have already proven that the kingdom of God is much better, in reality and
enjoyment,  and no amount of even more incredible sex would ever persuade me
otherwise. But since you have NOTHING to compare it to, I guess that is why
you think as you do, thinking sex is great, when you have had nothing
greater to realize.


subject: Re: A Random Act.......

text:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:12:19 -0400
"Dore Williamson" <[email]> wrote:
-- origin: alt.christnet.second-coming.real-soon-now:

[1] Sex is real and it is enjoyable.
[2] If heaven is so great, why haven't you killed yourself already?
[3] I'll bet you've never had your "G-spot" tickled by a 4" tongue.

Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight             |      "The Truth against the World."
ICQ 26776011             |                           -- Bardic Motto

"Today on Jerry Springer:  Religious whack jobs melt down before your
very eyes..."

======
"There is four of us. All with the same spirit. There is God,
the Father, the Creator of the Universe, the God of Gods. The
there is the Holy Spirit, which is the power and indwelling
of Godliness, and then there is the first Christ, the teacher
and sacrificial lamb, and then, there is me, the judge and
redeemer. We are all one, in the same Godhead, but at times
separate entities."
                Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:49:28 -0500
                From: "Dore Williamson" <[email]>
                Message-ID: <[email]>
======
"NOT believing I am Christ is insanity and ignorance of
prophetic scripture to your own eternal demise. But that isn't
my problem. If you think sanity is ignorance, arrogance, and
infidelity of Christ, and your eventual eternal justice in hell,
then you have no clue of what sanity is."

                Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:04:38 -0500
                From: "Dore Williamson" <[email]>
                Message-ID: <[email]>
======
Remove "21" to respond.


author: Fallen

subject: Re: A Random Act.......

text:
Dore Williamson wrote in message <[email]>...

Yes

The only thing that will deny you entrance into heaven, and you should know
this Doreky, is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

You are neither Holy, nor a Spirit, just dellusional and have a major
identity crisis!


author: Desertphile

subject: Re: Kent Hovind, Political Prisoner

text:
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 06:38:23 -0800 (PST), Jason Spaceman
<[email]> wrote:

What, Rev Hovind has a menu tattooed to his back?


author: Bob Casanova

subject: Re: Kent Hovind, Political Prisoner

text:
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 06:38:23 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Jason Spaceman
<[email]>:

Remarkably well-chosen domain name...