text:
. care to elaborate on this dictatorship?
I'm willing to elaborate on more, if you wish. As a source an
excellent book By Andreas von Bï¿½low, German Secret Service expert and
former federal Misnister under Gerhard Schï¿½der: "Die C.I.A. und der
11. September, internationaler Terror und die Rolle der
Geheimdienste."
First a remark about those 19 Arabs infiltrating those planes: I'm
certainly no racist, but I live in a rather multi-culty place and I
certainly don't see a guy with a thick foreign accent and allure
presenting a native's identification, in other words and to put it
plainly, for me an Arab is an Arab, a Negro is a Negro, a Chinese is
no Scotsman.
And then we have those fanatic Muslims, totally indoctrinated, ready
and willing and able to die for Allah, leaving a trail all through the
best lounges on the East Coast, where they had a real balls with girls
and booze... just before leaving for the Muslim Paradise...
And then there were those five Israeli observers on a warehouse roof,
observing and dancing in joy as the towers went down. (this was not
permitted to the Arabs on the Gaza Strip, though...)
And that planes can be piloted from outside, with the crew unable to
intervene, is old hat.
Title of the 5. chapter: "The American Administration - blind, stupid,
or fully informed ?"
A plane that crashes on the ground make a more or less large crater,
and components fly over a limited area. It seems that the plane that
came down over Pennsylvania was strewn over several square kilometers,
which means that it must have exploded in flight.
And so on, and so on, and so on, here just some random remarks.
As for the U.S.A. turning into a fascist dictatorship, the Patriot Act
curtails the citizens' basic liberties to an extent that makes
Democracy a mere farce. And we experience the longer the more that
real power behind  Governement and Administration in that country is
the longer the more in the hands of a few super and hyper rich people
and the common people has the longer the less anything to say...


subject: Re: Did/Does Europe (or UK) care about 9/11

text:
[email] (oops) wrote in message news:<41056822$0$36860$[email]>...

Are you equating Americans killing Nazi's to stop them from their
final solution and controlling the world to Al-qaeda killing 3000 on
9/11 because the US had a base in SA?

please elaborate.

Where the US bailed out the french ... once again?

the 1973 marxist gov or Augusto PINOCHET?

most of what you mentioned are tactics tied to the cold war.  im not
trying to be facetious, but do you see beyond just the acts?

So the terrorist attacks in europe are retribution for crimes those
countries are guilty of in the middle east?  Useing your same logic,
im suprised india most of africa and asia hasnt bombed most of europe.

9/11 was justified?  because the US had military base in S.A.? a base
that the Sauds wanted there?  Because some self righteous megalomaniac
mind fucked a bunch of poor angry arabs and gave them a face for their
misfortune?

now your being facetious ...

I have news for you sinshine, there are plenty of middle eastern
natives in the U.S. - and the few people who were there were mostly
military in S.A. bases that the U.S. was asked to post in post gulfwar
1....

Actually, yes i would.

Case in point for killing the Nazi's

now your talking out of your ass.  please present some link or
reference to this bit of information.

thats absurd.  the same arguements could be applied to europe and the
U.K.  it doesnt give it legitimacy.

what happened to your "abstract" thought?

much like the Nazi's?

again i ask, sincerely, what happened to your "abstract" thought?

you could reverse tis on both sides, but we you could also go back to
the beginnings of history to trace blame from one event/people to
another.

The U.S. as well as many european countries victimized by radical
islam have embraced arabs.  that arguement is dead sine you generalize
arabs as the perps for 9/11.  which is not the case.

I think your only seeing the parts you want. as states europe holds as
much (if not much more) guilt for "crimes committed" against the
middle east.

You seem to be one sided on your points.  this may be a small point to
make but the U.S. sent billions in aid to Iraq during the sanctions,
only to discover that this aide was not going to the citizens of Iraq,
but stockpiled by the government, apparently for themselves.  You also
continue to point all blame to the U.s., i think were all to blame,
not just the u.s.  not to mention the u.S. has dumped more
humanitarian aid and comfort into foreign countries than the entire
world combined.  i think that has to be worth something.  i appears
your view is much biased and anti-american.  the anti-american
sentiment in europe (france and germany mostly) is mostly due to the
media and the governments advanceing this feeling for thier own
political gain and popularity.  but thats just my opinion, seeing that
chirac isnt so popular in his country and hasnt been. just an
uneducated opinion.


author: rosignol

text:
In article <41056822$0$36860$[email]>,
 [email] (oops) wrote:

[zap]

[plonk]


author: oops

text:
[email] (rothko_) wrote:
<snip>

The difference is that the US (and some European countries) are still
doing it. It is useless to bomb Germany for Hitler now, because they're
not still doing it. It is not useless to bomb the coalition of the willing,
because they're doing it now.

Depends. Technically it is worth something. But it can either be a
sincere wish for betterment of the world, or it can be a white wash
for American policy and to keep national pride high, pride that can
be used to wage the next war and demonize the next enemy.

Thinking that the US is "the greatest nation on Earth" is just as wrong
as blaming all dissent with America on "hatred for the American way of
life". I am not an anti-American at all, but I would admit that I no
longer wear any American flags after the latest Afghan war. I am no
more anti-American then anti-Dutch, both of whom are committing crimes
against the freedom of the Iraqi people. I would not feel a bomb in the
US by Al-Queda is any more deserved then a bomb in Holland. On one hand,
the Dutch wouldn't have gone to war without the US, on the other hand
we should have known better and be less affected by blinding American
nationalism. It doesn't matter that we didn't take part in the conquest
itself or are not committing abu graib torture. We aide the occupation,
freeing US soldiers for torture (to put it extreme).

Recently I thought that Germany and France might be free from terrorism
by Al-Queda, but maybe they're not. The west attacked the Muslim
world in Iraq, while Iraq was innocent of the charges. This is a way
justifies an attack on France and Germany, because similarly they are
innocent, but in the same region as those that were guilty. Attacking
innocent western nations is therefore retribution for attacking an
innocent middle eastern nation.

I know, it is all kind of primitive, but it is all the justice we have
in international relations. The international criminal court has zero
credibility if it cannot put Blair and Bush under punishment. Balkenende
(PM of Holland) is also guilty of human rights violations FWIK, because
there are treaties that demand people to do what they can against
torture. Obviously after abu-graib we aren't doing anything we can, which
would be to retreat in protest, but we stayed aiding the US. I guess this
could be a punishable crime, but I'm not a judicial expert.


text:
[email] (oops) wrote in message news:<4108bc09$0$65124$[email]>...

You continue to equate the u.S. actions with nazi germany.  could you
elaborate?  The germans aimed to conquer and rule by military force,
the u.s. invaded iraq, ousted sadam and will hold elections within a
few months for teh iraqi people to decide. not to mention the current
president of iraq has a popularity rating through the roof.

it is both, it is an interest of the yanks (& any country for that
matter) that foreign countries are democratic and free socially and
economically.  iraq paid the families of palestinian suicide bomers as
an incentive to the suicide bomber to attack israel.  sadam incited
violence and death of innocent people, the world knows of his
attrocities. talk about crimes against humanity, we both know we could
go on about world court being bullshit, but especially in regards to
middle eastern countries like iraq, afghanistan, saudi arabia, iran
etc etc.

I do not necessarily belive the u.s. is the best, most powerful?
maybe, but the best, not necessarily.  btw, aiding is a crime.

Iraq may have been innocent of the reasons people were given but iraq
was hardly innocent.  if you believe the middle east was peaceful
before now or even before the first gulf war you are sadly mistaken
and need to read more up on it.

thats rediculous, unless you mean the iraqi citizens attacking germany
france and russia for supplying sadam with the means to create wmd tht
he used on them. but then still not, the attack should be on the
governments, the leaders and businesses who sold these items and not
innocent civilians.

aiding is a crime but you would have to show how they aided the u.s.
in theses crimes.  i get your point though.  the world court is a
joke, but who runs it?  you also assume bush and blair had knowledge
of these crimes of torture, do you have anything to back this up with?
 and as for those who were tortured, i understand that these people
were the insurgent al-qaeda ot bathist remnants and these are the same
people who are still killing innocent iraqis.  of course i only have
what the media is told by the government but if it is the case then i
do not feel sorry for these animals.
thats just my uneducated opinion.


text:
[email] (rothko_) wrote:

Nazi wanted "lebebsraum" for his "reich", which is pretty much the same
as the US wanting "oil" for its industry and living standard. Both attack
unprovoking countries on the basis of fabrikations, both claim to live
in a superior country (heavily nationalistic).

Apparently we believe different news sources.

What do you mean with "democratic." The issue "democracy" is a whole
lot more complicated then people seem to think. If the choice is between
chaos and hell, or a popularly backed dictatorship, then 1) a dictatorship
is in the interest of all countries and 2) it is democratic in its own
right.

And for me, these attrocities are on America's head, because America
backed and helped Saddam gain power. The attrocities of Iraq are also
balanced by the attrocities of the US and of Israel. If the US and
Israel are not themselves engaged in attrocities and surpression, not
to mention shameless landgrab, then they would have a position to say
"Irq is doing things that it shouldn't". If the US hadn't gone to war
in Vietnam, it might have had a say about Saddam going to war against
Kuweit. The US is like a thief, accusing other thiefs of stealing (and
it's probably about stolen loot in the first place). Not very convincing.

<snip>

I do not think that. Since I like democracy, I just wish that this
violence is their own, not ours. We in the west evolved from extremely
violent countries, much more violent then the current Middle East. How
would we have achieved democracy and stability if Arabs had been supporting
our abusers/kings with money and troops, and threw our countries in
chaos by offensive war ?

I don't say I would do it, I just say there might be a justified case
in the eyes of Islamist jihadi's.

No, that's not what I mean exactly. The torture scandal came out, and
we and the world then knew about it. Anyone following the story closely
and without severe pro US bias, could conclude that the probabilities
were that the torture scandal went to the top. Even if it didn't went
to the top, it still happened and it was significant. It wasn't 5
marines doing something wrong, it was far bigger. But that wasn't
all, we knew before the whole Iraq war that the US was violating
human rights in its Cuban base. This fact proves to anyone that this
torture isn't a single incident but part of something bigger. To not
conclude that is playing outside odds or being plain stupid.

So, once the Abu Graib scandal hit the news and the story developed, we
had an opportunity to say "no, we don't accept torture," and we could
have "done everything against torture we could have done" and backed
out of the coalition. We didn't, so we are complicit of the torture
ourselves now.

Seems uneducated. The US has picked up mostly innocent
people. Secondly, the US is just as much as an animal as Iraqi
torturers if they torture.  When you torture a /suspect/, you are
not torturing a convicted criminal, you are principally torturing an
innocent person. This person will be damaged for life, he will have
received a life-sentence of sorts before he has even been found
guilty. Punishment before the conviction, even before the crime ?
Under those grounds you and me are elligable for torture.

And then there is a wide picture. The US was not in power in Iraq,
if Iraqis torture Iraqis (like Europeans tortured Europeans), at
least it is all contained within the same culture. Now with the US an
imperial element enters the mix. Even if Iraqis torture eachother,
that doesn't give others the right to also torture Iraqis. The
Iraqis have had a say in who controls them, through the democracy
of fighting. The Iraqis have had no power over who rules America,
therefore imperial abuse is less democratic then purely domestic
abuse.

What the US is doing, even if it could install a working democracy
in Iraq (for which there is not enough popular support or history
whatsoever), is non democratic in principle. What happens in Iraq
should be up to the Iraqis first, and the surrounding peoples second.
That is most democratic, and that is how we achieved our level of
democracy.


text:
Thats weak at best.  The rest of the world agreed to go to war in the
u.n. resolution if compliance was not met by Sadam.  he played for 13
years, shot at patrolling planes he agreed to allow to patrol in a no
fly zone of north and south iraq. i could go on but its really
tiresome, as far as the war, the u.n. agreed, in their home countries
for political gain they denied this and pointed fingers like cowardxs
who had not the balls or courage of their own convictions.

what news sources and what do they say?  im open to another point of
view and realize the news media in my country, as in every country, is
aimed at its own interests.
snip

right, but how popular was sadam?  and if it takes going through chaos
and hell to gain true democracy then it is a price that most people
are worth fighting for, as the iraqis showed the world in their
uprising after the first gulf war. short lived, yes, but a pulse on
the vein of iraqi spirit.

mostly european countries too, supplied sadam with WMD, france and
russia and germany.

thats very naive.  Sadam went to war to reclaim an old peice of real
estate that used to belong to iraq.  He aimed to control most of the
natural resources, as was part of a financial war openly aimed
agaoinst americas economy by opec back in the 70's.  the u.s. went to
war in vietnam to stop the spread of communism, 2 parts of which can
be placd in that commies were a threat to democracy and to the nation
of vietnams people who were never given a choice but instead fed
propaganda.

I do not pretend that the u.s. has not been involved in other
countries politics were it had no business being.  it has bitten them
in the ass, however, the fact that the west has seen so much blood is
in my opinion reason enough to fight against it in other places.  the
french aided the u.s. in their revolution in this same sense.  we can
find many instances of this in history.

And we know how rational the islamic extremists are.

I do not know where you get your news about cuba but the cuban
prisoners were given 3 hot meals, daily prayer, copies of the kuran in
arabic, hot showers, air conditioning, they were literally treated
better than the soldiers there.  this is widely know in most media,
please tell me where you heard of torture there?

I agree, torture is wrong.  But the people who were tortured were
insurgents, not iraqis pulled in off the street.  the cell block these
guys were in were confirmed and admittedly al-qaeda and bathist
remnants. not those just picked up off the streets.  torture is bad,
but not always wrong.  If you knew that someone was going to blow up a
school bus full of children and needed to stop it i hope youd find it
in yourself to get creative on your interrogation.

Thats absurd.  The iraqis had no say in who controlled them. Where do
you read this garbage?  Iraqis lived in constant fear of being dragged
from their homes in the middle of the night to be tortured, watched
their infant babies be slammed head first against a wall to gain a
confession, were forced to watch their daughters and mothers and
sisters being systematically raped in front of them.  Maybe your media
sources leave out the grim details of Sadam's regime and feel it more
necessary to point out abu graeb.  i would hardly equivicate the 2.
To do so is rediculous.

I agree, in terms of democracy.  but the end result will be democracy.
 saddam was bad and needed to go, maybe not this way.  i do not
necessarily agree with the war, but i do not in anyway disagree with
sadam going and the iraqi people having the opportunity to define
their own destiny.


author: David Naugler

text:
From:
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_829699.html

New Zealand abandons flatulence tax plans

New Zealand has abandoned plans for a flatulence tax on animals in the
face of fierce opposition from farmers.

The"flatulence levy was proposed to fund research into livestock
emissions which are blamed as a cause of global warming.

It would have required farmers to pay the equivalent of 3p for each
sheep, 19p for a beef animal and 26p for a dairy cow.

But the government agreed to face-saving industry-funded research
programme at a meeting with farmer representatives instead, reports
Stuff.

Federated Farmers vice-president Charlie Pedersen said the deal would
not cost farmers an extra cent.

He said: "It's counting the research that we are already doing and the
Government is going to put some money in to verify the research."

The tax proposal sparked angry protests by farmers and was ridiculed
in newspapers all over the world and on the internet.

Story filed: 12:14 Friday 17th October 2003
///
Ridiculed on the internet? Where?


author: Ian St. John

subject: Re: New Zealand abandons flatulence tax plans

text:
"David Naugler" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

One more time. There is no 'flatulence' nor 'flatulence tax'. The tax is on
methane emissions in the form of burbs from ruminant animals such as sheep
and cows.


author: BlackWater

text:
[email] (David Naugler) wrote:

   You know all those "wetlands" that the eco-nuts
   love so much ... I wonder how much METHANE they
   produce per acre ? Maybe they should be drained
   off and turned into golf courses. Hey - saving
   the world from global warming dontchaknow ...


author: Scott Balneaves

subject: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
So, this one's a question for [M]adman/All[-]*[Ss]eeing-I:

I've seen you assert that ancient texts are truthful accounts of history,
because (paraphrasing) "...Why would they lie?".

So my question is:

Are all ancient texts truthful?


author: Virgil

subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
In article <hskcmg$6qt$[email]>,
 Scott Balneaves <[email]> wrote:

No!


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
"Scott Balneaves" <[email]> wrote in message
news:hskcmg$6qt$[email]...

Outrageousy stupid!
"Why would they lie" questions mean absolutely nothing.
They certainly don't make it as a justification for claiming they are
telling the truth.

and/or: are all ancient writers of religious dogma and stories honest beyond
question?


subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
On May 14, 3:44 pm, Scott Balneaves <[email]> wrote:

You missed one of his cowardly handles: "Prophet".

Just how far do you think you can make him run?  Is anyone taking
bets?

Budikka


author: Bill M

subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
"Scott Balneaves" <[email]> wrote in message
news:hskcmg$6qt$[email]...

Firstly we have insufficient evidence to decide whether they are truthful or
not.

Secondly the poor lack of real knowledge in ancient time makes any of their
claims
very questionable.


author: Wexford

subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
On May 14, 4:44 pm, Scott Balneaves <[email]> wrote:

What ancient texts? Many of the ancient Sumerian tablets are probably
pretty truthful. They were accounting records. The Judeo-Christian
texts were patched together from thousands of fragments. There are
more variants (differences) among the existing New Testament fragments
than there are words in the New Testament. I can't speak for the Vedas
or Buddhist texts, although it seems that most of the crapola they
contain is monstrously tedious, obscure, and nonsensical, at least the
stuff I've read. Would you consider the Book of Mormon ancient? It's
utter bullshit.


subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
In talk.atheism Virgil <[email]> wrote:

Sssshhhhdammit ontday oilspay my unfay.


subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
In alt.atheism Budikka666 <[email]> wrote:

So far, he's not even entering the race :)


author: Mike Painter

subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
Bill M wrote:
There is a huge body of evidecne that show most of the claims of the
Christian Old Testament are false.


subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
If it's safe to assume - extreme events leave extreme evidence .......... I
have to ask ........ where IS that evidence.

Whether they would lie or not is a minor question (which, in a way,
automatically assumes the bible is in a position of validity and authority).
I, other atheists - and people who believe in other religions, do NOT base
reality on that biblical assumption.

There is not, nor has there ever been, any reason to accept the claims of
authority, and truth, of ANY "religious" aspects of the bible.

Yes, the bible mentions many cities in the mid east, that actually exist.
That is NOT proof that Jesus actually existed, and certainly don't prove he
"walked on water".

It has never been a question of whether they lie or not .................
the real work is separating the tons of lies from the specks of truth in an
ancient book of fairy tales.


subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
In talk.atheism Wexford <[email]> wrote:

All of them.

Depends on if you're looking at the copy to show the auditors or "the
other copy" :)

No, I don't think the book of Mormon counts as "Ancient".  Let's
count, for sake of argument, anything Koran age and older.

[M]adman/AllSeeing-I/Prophet often holds up the "They must be the truth,
I mean, what reason would they have to *lie* to us?" argument.

I'm interested to know if he considers ALL ancient texts to have a
certain "truthlikeness" (to borrow Tony's word from t.o.) about them,
or, if he DOESN'T, what method he uses to prove a text "truthful", or
if he simply considers some ancients "honest", and others.... not so
much.

We'll see.


subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
"Wexford" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
On May 14, 4:44 pm, Scott Balneaves <[email]> wrote:

What ancient texts? Many of the ancient Sumerian tablets are probably
pretty truthful. They were accounting records. The Judeo-Christian
texts were patched together from thousands of fragments. There are
more variants (differences) among the existing New Testament fragments
than there are words in the New Testament. I can't speak for the Vedas
or Buddhist texts, although it seems that most of the crapola they
contain is monstrously tedious, obscure, and nonsensical, at least the
stuff I've read. Would you consider the Book of Mormon ancient? It's
utter bullshit.

Which leaves scientology as the one and only true religion
...................... that's one reason I'm an atheist.


author: Darrell Stec

subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
Wexford wrote:

It is not impossible that the biblical texts were created the same way as
Dianetics, as science fiction on a bet.  We have not evidence that the
original inventors of the stories were not making up campfire stories for
amusement with perhaps a moral.  We have no evidence they took those stories
seriously.

That was the invention of those that were born centuries or millennia
afterwards.


subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
"Scott Balneaves" <[email]> wrote in message
news:hsl9k3$5pb$[email]...


author: Free Lunch

subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
On Sat, 15 May 2010 09:29:36 -0400, "[email]"
<[email]> wrote in alt.atheism:

It's every bit as reliable as any other scriptures.

...


subject: Re: Veracity of Ancient Texts

text:
In alt.atheism [email] <[email]> wrote:

So far, [M]/A/P's not entering the proceedings here either :)


author: Bryan Wise

subject: CF210

text:
About Claim CF210 (Constancy of Radioactive Decay Rates), I would like
to suggest an additional point: even assuming a variable rate of
decay, radiometric dating would certainly show relative ages, as decay
would be much more advanced in dinosaur fossils than in even the
oldest hominid fossils.


author: Mark Isaak

subject: Re: CF210

text:
On 4/25/12 12:36 AM, Bryan Wise wrote:

Problem is, when creationists claim that decay rates are inconstant,
they do not claim that they vary in any reliable way.  In one instance,
for example, they claim that the dating of the Shroud of Turin, and only
the Shroud of Turin, was altered by some sort of energy when Christ was
resurrected.  Or they say that rates might be affected by cosmic rays,
and so presumably depend on how deep something was buried when they rays
came by.  So maintaining relative ages cannot be concluded.

--
  Mark Isaak          [email]
"It is certain, from experience, that the smallest grain of natural
  honesty and benevolence has more effect on men's conduct, than the most
  pompous views suggested by theological theories and systems." - D. Hume


author: Mike Dworetsky

subject: Re: CF210

text:
Bryan Wise wrote:

Variable rates are not observed in reactions used for dating, and are pretty
much ruled out by atomic theory, yet variable rates are invoked as special
pleading by creationists, so this probably would not be wise.  They would
regard it as some sort of admission of weaknesses in the radio-dating.

--
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)


author: Arkalen

subject: Re: CF210

text:
On 25/04/12 08:36, Bryan Wise wrote:
It sort of depends on what the variation is, doesn't it ? If it's purely
temporal then that could work, but if it's spatial or varies along any
other dimension then radiometric dating wouldn't show relative ages either.


author: Ron O

subject: Re: CF210

text:
On Apr 25, 2:36ï¿½am, Bryan Wise <[email]> wrote:

If something like that was left out, mention of it is probably a good
thing.  The problem is that the anti evolution types are the guys that
have to look at the consistent dates derived using isotopes with
different decay rates in the same rock and come up with an excuse for
how that could happen.  Do you think that they care about the relative
age that variable decay rates would gives them?

They also reject the notion of superposition in geology.  What is not
relative about that?

Ron Okimoto


author: jillery

subject: Re: CF210

text:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:36:13 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Wise
<[email]> wrote:

As you likely know, Creationist claims about radiometric dating are
another traditional grasping of straws.  IIUC most of their evidence
for variable decay rates is better explained by contamination from
external sources.  This is a recognized problem, for which there are
known methods to detect and mitigate its effects, but it's not the
same problem as variable decay rates.

Creationists often focus on the alleged unreliability of radiocarbon
dating, and to their embarrassment, often confuse the two issues.  The
production of environmental C14, on which radiocarbon dating relies,
is continuous and varies somewhat over time.  These variations are
known and accounted for by cross-referencing results with other dating
methods, ex. dendrochronology.

The Creationist claims about radiocarbon dating are separately indexed
in the CD000 series.

Unrelated to this issue itself, when I looked up CF210 to remind
myself what it actually said, I was also reminded that Mark Isaak is
the editor of the List of Creationist Claims.  Presumably this is the
same Mark Isaak who also posts to this newsgroup, and I am remiss in
not explicitly noting his efforts to create and maintain a valuable
public resource.


author: TomS

subject: Re: CF210

text:
"On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:52:39 -0700, in article
<jna2o8$m69$[email]>, Mark Isaak stated..."

And then there is the claim of the Anthropic Principle: if
certain physical values were even slightly different, then human
life would be impossible. (And thus that these values had to have
been intelligently determined.) If radioactive decay rates were so
variable, then life as we know it would be impossible.

--
---Tom S.
"Ah, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it"
Lucy Lawless, the Simpsons "Treehouse of Horror X: Desperately Xeeking Xena"
(1999)


subject: Re: CF210

text:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:13:53 +0100, "Mike Dworetsky"
<[email]> wrote:

Creationists are very good at imagining such admissions and
weaknesses, but not so good at acknowledging their corrections.


subject: Re: CF210

text:
"On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:43:21 +0100, in article
<sln*[email]>, Arkalen stated..."

The claim seems to be that there might be some inexactitude in the
measurement of decay rates, and therefore any reference to decay
rates is totally unreliable.

Rather like noting that my alarm clock doesn't give the time to
a fraction of a second, and therefore I can't rely on it to wake
me up on time.

--
---Tom S.
"Ah, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it"
Lucy Lawless, the Simpsons "Treehouse of Horror X: Desperately Xeeking Xena"
(1999)


author: Bob Casanova

subject: Re: CF210

text:
On 25 Apr 2012 04:58:15 -0700, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by TomS <[email]>:

I like that analogy, although I'd argue against accepting
the original claim, even provisionally, until/unless the
claimants provide *detailed* data.
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
                          - McNameless


author: King Amdo

subject: Re: Truth

text:
Quote:

"When we mention metaphysics, most people think of the Occult, quickly
followed by  black magic, because they fear that which they don't
understand."

...that's the block in western peoples consciousness regarding the
occult...magic...due to the 'programmed' anti magic, anti occult in
particular anti goddess evil ritual basis of the masonic
(establishment) dodge christian blag...in the east poeople like all
this stuff!

BLACK LIKE THE EARTH!


subject: Re: Truth

text:
...so ultimately U can transcend material karma/facism so that U fly
like a witch on her broom from reality to reality...which when it
happens is as normal as anything, usually, but not always. Space and
time are not in fact fixed, this is easy and clear in goddess
auspicious eastern religions, and pyscopathically blocked by the masons
program here in the west, which is why these people are such complete
wankers :~


subject: Re: Truth

text:
...sorry sounds crazy this stuff....but makes sense in a culture (or
from a perspective) that even in this day and age has a very real
presense of the supernatural (India)....or goddess magic (paganism).


author: Gunner Asch

subject: Re: Surviving by moving

text:
On Fri, 03 May 2013 07:33:13 -0700, Leroy ProudEagle Garcia
<[email]> wrote:

Still waiting for those cites.

And waiting..and waiting......

"The ruling class doesn't care about public safety. Having made it
very difficult for States and localities to police themselves, having
left ordinary citizens with no choice but to protect themselves as
best they can, they now try to take our guns away. In fact they blame
us and our guns for crime. This is so wrong that it cannot be an
honest mistake."
Malcolm Wallop
former U.S. Sen. (R-WY)


author: Leroy ProudEagle Garcia

subject: Re: Surviving by moving

text:
On 5/3/2013 2:01 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

You lied about all those fabulous accomplishments.  None of them happened.


subject: Re: Surviving by moving

text:
On Fri, 03 May 2013 14:05:35 -0700, Leroy ProudEagle Garcia
<[email]> wrote:

Still waiting!

"The ruling class doesn't care about public safety. Having made it
very difficult for States and localities to police themselves, having
left ordinary citizens with no choice but to protect themselves as
best they can, they now try to take our guns away. In fact they blame
us and our guns for crime. This is so wrong that it cannot be an
honest mistake."
Malcolm Wallop
former U.S. Sen. (R-WY)


subject: Re: Surviving by moving

text:
On 5/3/2013 6:01 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

You're still lying.  It's pathological.


author: DoD

subject: POW EXPOSE

text:
Nothing In Israeli TV Documentary Indicates That Israeli Troops Executed
Egyptian POWs During Six Day War In 1967
Documented Evidence That Egyptian Troops Did Execute Israeli POWs During Yom
Kippur War of 1973

http://www.isracast.com/images/NewsImages/080307war1.jpg

The rest can be found here.

http://www.isracast.com/Articles/Article.aspx?ID=451


author: B'inyamin Cramer

subject: Re: POW EXPOSE

text:
"DoD" <[email]> wrote in message
news:461c1e5f$0$1372$[email]...

More yid lies, doodoo, you dumbkunt. The only time the yids speak the truth,
they apologise. It's never intentiona.


author: Concerned Aussies

subject: Re: POW EXPOSE

text:
In article <[email]>,
B'inyamin Cramer <tim'ef'[email]> wrote:

   (snip)

   Stop trolling,  you stupid cocksucker.  Get a job and don't
leech my tax money.


author: staten

subject: Re: POW EXPOSE

text:
"Concerned Aussies" <[email]> wrote in message
news:evi4ir$si8$[email]...

But spreading lies and dumping  idiotic  Nazi fables  on the usenet is his
"job". The stupid  cocksucker is not qualified even to remove roadkill from
highways. That's why he will continue to leech your tax money till one day
will be busted and thrown to jail for  abusing welfare system.


subject: Re: POW EXPOSE

text:
"staten" <[email]> wrote in message
news:12248$461d0c26$45487cba$[email]...

He is a loser. Because his job is a troll, he is a loser. But he is semi
successful at getting people to respond to him, so he is a semi-successful
loser. If everyone ignored him he would be a two time loser.

He knows that nobody other than the other bigots want to talk to him....

He knows that he has never been to Israel... You would think that if he was
there he would have taken a few pictures with a sign that said   "for
s.c.i.... Benjie in Israel 2007." to prove it, but then again, we know he
has never been there.

We know he doesn't own an audi, or a security company...

What a clown.


author: james g. keegan jr.

subject: dear stan

text:
dear stan:

at first, i thought you were simply an instantiation that t.b. had been
discovered by the less capable. i even considered sending you a note to
help you along.

then i read more of your follow-ups to kpd. i decided that an explanation
to you would do no good.

instead, i have purchased you a gift. it is a dual-purpose blowup doll. you
can punch it around, as i suspect you feel you are doing with kpd, even
though you are not. you can also use any of it's true-to-life orifices for
your particular pleasure.

perhaps as you express your troubled emotions with your new doll, you'll
find the intensity of your obsession with kpd has lessened.

kpd makes a fool of you with each of his responses to your posts, but not
as much of a fool as you make of yourself with your replies.

j

ps. don't forget to tell me where to send your doll


author: Kent Paul Dolan

subject: Re: dear stan

text:
Since Stan's reading this elsewhere, I took the liberty of
crossposting it there.  Far be it from me to act as a roadblock to a
total inter-newsgroup
war (where have we heard that before?  alt.tv.tiny-toons comes to
mind).

xanthian.

"james g. keegan jr." <[email]> wrote:


subject: Re: dear stan

text:
[email] (Kent Paul Dolan) wrote in
news:[email]:

perhaps stan will accept the doll, punch it around a bit, secretly enjoy
sex with it, and find himself growing closer to emotional health each day,

or not.


author: Stan de SD

subject: The truth about the homeless and Kent Paul Dolan - you suckers need to get a clue

text:
"james g. keegan jr." <[email]> wrote in message
news:Xns931AE5D7ABE36keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...

Perhaps you can kiss my ass. Now, if you wish to be a gullible fuck and
believe that KPD is some noble crusader for the homeless, be my guest.
However, the facts are that he's on the street because he pissed off
everyone around him to the point where nobody could even TRY to help him. He
has 4 kids and numerous co-workers who know how to get hold of him - why
aren't they bothering? Kent would rather be a martyr than get his shit
together, that's why...

Now, I know that you boneheaded liberals function on emotions rather than
fact, and that making a big fuss about how fucking COMPASSIONATE you are is
far more important than coming up with a workable SOLUTION (no, stealing
from the rich to give to the poor doesn't work - you just wind up with
another Cuba, where everybody is poor). Now, while everyone one of you naive
and misguided suckers wear your heart on your sleeves, you fail to mention
the fact that not far from where KPD makes his dumpster diving rounds, there
are thousands of people who not only do NOT have the advantages that Kent
had in his life (education, chance to learn new skills, high-paying jobs,
lots of professional contacts), but in many cases, don't even speak English,
and in some cases, aren't even in this country legally) Yet all of those
people manage to find jobs, put food in their bellies and roofs over their
heads, and even have the chance to enjoy simple pleasures in their spare
time... So why are they making it, and Kent isn't? Simple explanation - KENT
FUCKED UP. He blew his opportunities, burned all of his bridges, and went
out of his way to get in major pissing contests each time he didn't get his
way. Now he's at the point where people have given up - I have received
numerous e-mails from former friends and co-workers who have tried to help
Kent, but been frustrated by his self-destructive tendencies.

Now, if you want to boo-hoo over him to show everyone else how much more
"humane" and "caring" you are , that's your right (and your waste of time).
However, nobody should be under the illusion that KPD is some poor helpless
victim of society fighting some noble cause. He made his own bed, and now he
has to lie in it...


author: edfan

subject: Re: The truth about the homeless and Kent Paul Dolan - you suckers need to get a clue

text:
"Stan de SD" <[email]> wrote in message news:<KfS0a.3968$[email]>...

All you sound is angry. It's boring. Why are you in here? It
apparently feels so good to goad a stranger, you can devote yourself
to it as if it were a whole new life.

Get over it. Leave. You hate everybody here, why hang out where you
are not appreciated?


text:
Anybody like to take a wild guess at how many completely
unsupported strawman our poster child for pathological
lying has set up and knocked down in the following skein
of lies?  I'm really going to count them all when I have
a day free, but today I've been invited out to lunch by
my professor friend here, and also have been using email
helping a professor at Berkeley debug his Logo
interpreter, and doing minor repairs to the campus
paper banner Columbia memorial, and being chided by the
head of the cleaning crew for putting all the furniture
back in place last night after the vampires left, making
him nervous about his insurance coverage of a geezer
carrying around couches, and chatting up the food service
young women to lend them self esteem, and other bits of
my usual day helping people, which puts mocking Stan a
distant aleph nullth on my list of important things to do.

xanthian.

"Stan de SD" <[email]> wrote in message news:<KfS0a.3968$[email]>...


subject:
Re: The truth about the homeless and Kent Paul Dolan - you suckers need
 to get a clue

text:
edfan wrote:
< re: Stain de STD>

But Stain de STD has started some of the longest threads in history !
Even if he is miserably unhappy, and he is, how dare you question his
immense troll value ?

.
.
.


text:
"Kent Paul Dolan" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

And tonight you will scrounge in dumpsters and sleep on the sidewalk. Having
fun, Kent?

news:<KfS0a.3968$[email]>...
enjoy
day,
him. He
than
is
naive
mention
there
Kent
jobs,
English,
their
KENT
went
his
help
time).
helpless
now he


text:
"Stan de SD" <[email]> wrote:

You should be so fortunate:

http://www.well.com/user/xanthian/images/DumpstersRestaurant.jpg

(Thanks, Laury!)

Probably in my portable lounge chair, actually.  I stayed up until 4
AM doing upholstry repairs to it with a 20 cm hank of Swedish-lay 1.5
cm polypropylene line (that such a line is hollow is important for the
repair I made, I was replacing a failed leather boot), some nine
strand marline, two #08 sewing needles and a pliers.  It is nice and
supportive again, and I'm quite smug of the repair I invented using
only stuff I had on my person.

Beyond your fool's capability to comprehend, yes.

A "David" brought his girlfriend "Genn" over today to impress her with
my research software in computational combinatorial complexity.  She,
a biologist, was suitably appreciative, and massively cute.

A "Ben" came by to drop off a can of apricot nectar, a banana and a
tangerine; he'd heard about me from the Clovis Public Library head
librarian, "Joe", four miles away, and decided to come do what he
could to assist.

My friend "Benny" dropped by to chat for a while about computer
security issues, and after some research I was able to recommend for
him a copy of wget.exe that satisfies a need he has.

My new wireless modem has allowed me to update my

http://www.well.com/user/xanthian/link_pages/general/JobsAndFreelance.html

page with links to employer information sites to make it even more
useful, a process still continuing.

"Mary Lee", the head of the campus poetry recitation effort, came by
to chat me up for my readings at the last meeting, and I promised to
make a poem about her hard to pronounce last name for next meeting.

So as you can see, compared to your empty life of self-hatred, petty
insignificance, and borderline economics that leaves you so much time
to spew hate and harrass the homeless here, my life is rich indeed.

xanthian, yo, ho, ho! It's plain to see, Stan's business failing
imminently!

And as for who needs to catch a clue, well, that goes without saying,
but here's a hint: when you start putting someone's name in article
headings, you are long past obsessed and well into insane, and you
have formally conceded the battle, you just don't know it yet.

Want to count how many threads you've started with "Kent" in the
subject line in alt.society.homeless?  I found seven in a minute's
looking.

Want to count how many threads I've started with "Stan" in the subject
line?  Keep looking.

Another hint: your count divided by my count yields infinity, the
measure of how obsessed you are with winning a war you don't even
comprehend, and can do nothing but lose faster and faster until you
learn how not to lie so easily demonstratably with every article you
post.


text:
"Stan de SD" <[email]> wrote:

Absolutely!  You having fun hearing from
others what a total retard you appear in
print?  We might as well _both_ be having
a good time.

xanthian.


author: Vox

subject: Bibi want piece , Bibi want piece today now in New York, straightaway right now.

text:
BiBi have "navman" GPS better than "roadmap" old paper technology.

Bibi always want piece, Bibi for piece always for piece.

Bibi want more piece of West Bank and more piece of Gaza.

Bibi want piece with neighbors too.

Bibi wants piece of Lebanon , piece of Syria piece of Egypt.

Bibi try hard for piece but "evil doers" not want piece with Bibi. Bibi get
upset and the devil make Bibi and kill women and little children.

Bwahhahhaha  ...Obama make Middle East play piece with Bibi, or Bibi get
upset and poop in pants again..


author: ralph

subject: Re: Bibi want piece , Bibi want piece today now in New York, straightaway right now.

text:
On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 13:29:08 +1000, "Vox" <[email]>
wrote:

Beware jew-hating nazis like Vox who can't spell PEACE, let alone
comprehend it.


text:
ralph wrote:

Ralph not smart like Bibi.

 Bibi like Ralf, Ralf good friend of Israel.

USA no.1 friend Ralf No. 2 friend of Israel, yep Ralf a big No.2 .

Bibi get No1 friend warmonger USA to veto UN. Will get Zionist servant house
boy Obama to veto UN .

Obama better get right this one, not like last time.

Last time I said get UN to "stand up" and leave with UN Israeli ambassador
when Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas make speech, not give overwhelming
"standing" ovation!!!

Illegal settlement NOT problem piece!

Illegal settlement NOT problem piece plan /road map /progress report/ Middle
East peace talk discussion/ negotiations/ thingummy thing.

 Palestinians WANT to give land to Israelis , Palestinians say here take my
house my land all my property I like to live in refugee camp with all
family, it cosy fun like camping out.

Bibi say UN is just  "circus of the absurd", if well crafted bullshit is not
listened to and that Abbas is given a standing ovation, its ANTI SEMITIC..

Bibi want "standing ovation too (sook. sook.) Bibi said Bibi for piece many
many times, believably.

Bibi want Obama make UN give Bibi standing ovation.

Obama! I want standing ovation , give Bibi standing ovation

WWWWWWhawhwhwhwaaaa..

Bibi want standing ovation!!!

(sook. sook.)


author: B J Foster

subject:
Re: Bibi want piece , Bibi want piece today now in New York, straightaway
 right now.

text:
On 25/09/2011 9:39 AM, Vox wrote:
...

See if you can *find* Israel, idiot.

"Only 1/640th the land mass occupied by the 22 Arab States.
Is Israel REALLY 'taking over' the Arab Middle East?"
http://www.masada2000.org/geography.html


text:
B J Foster wrote:

In my opinion they shouldn't be there in the first place,

They have brought European values/traditions which is out of place in and
ALL Arab world.

They have waged war with all its neighbours and the indigenous Palestinians
for 60 years.

They are fascist scum with complete disregard for UN resolution and
international laws.

They deserver the HELL they have created for themselves,

unfortunately lot of innocent people have perished in their blind
unrestricted aggression .


author: Gordon Levi

text:
B J Foster <[email]> wrote:

You want maps already! This is the U.N. partition plan
<http://tinyurl.com/589ndd>. This one shows the expansion of Israel
into Egypt, Jordan and Syria <http://tinyurl.com/3h94ses>. Finally,
this one shows the continued expansion of Jewish settlements outside
the 1967 borders <http://peacenow.org/map.php>.

Your map is totally dishonest. Are we supposed to be thankful that
Jews do not lay claim to Kazakhstan or Somalia? Which countries on
your map give Muslims rights that are denied to those from other
religions? Israel has special laws that apply only to Jews. They even
have Sharia law that applies only to Muslims.


text:
On 25/09/2011 7:28 PM, Vox wrote:

Wot are you doing in Australia, idiot?


text:
On 25/09/2011 11:13 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:

Israel should've taken Egypt, Sinai included and kept it - after the
unprovoked attack in 1967. That's the way it normally happens. Yet they
withdrew back into their borders.

Attack after unprovoked attack, for 60 years - if Israel were
expansionary they could have controlled Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan,
Iraq - but they didn't - they always withdrew back to their borders.

There are a few exceptions.
1. The Golan heights - given the number of unprovoked attacks by Arabs
and Israel's vulnerability, only a fool would fault them for holding the
Golan heights.
2. Jerusalem - their ancient capital. It is *not* a Muslim holy city -
those claims have been shown to be lies. In any case, freedom of
religion thrives in Israeli Jerusalem where it decidedly did *not* under
Jordanian rule.
3. Illegal Settler expansion - you can argue that settlers should go
back to pre-1967 borders. I don't. To the winner, the spoils. If they
wanted to live in peace they should not have conducted a terror campaign
for the last 60 years.

The Palestinians have conducted a campaign of terrorism over 60 years,
they have never recognised Israel, they reneged on the Camp David
accords (for which their leader got a Nobel prize) and now they are
using negotiation as a weapon again. Most of them are refugees from
neighbouring countries anyway - or descendants of refugees - Iraq,
Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. This is the sort of situation *we* would face
if Julia Gillard continued to welcome refugees. They should vote for
peace with Israel, *recognise* Israel and then *earn* their land.

Something tells me that they are panicking - the aid from Europe is
about to dry up. Everyone is fed up anyway. So now they have to earn
their way in the world.


text:
B J Foster <[email]> wrote:

You can't be serious! Neither the Soviet Union nor NATO can control
Afghanistan but you believe that eight million Israelis can control
over a hundred million Arabs. Israel had no choice but to withdraw
from the countries you list although they kept what suited them.

Sure. It's a great place from which to fire cannons. I suggest you
avoid it when Israel launches its array of guided missiles.

Can you provide some evidence that there is more "truth" in the holy
city claims by Jews or Christians than Muslims?

Israel is the same as Jordan. It is not possible to get married in
either country unless the couple belongs to one of the approved
religions.

That's a reasonable argument. Why bother with morality if you can get
it by force?

The PLO recognised Israel in 1993
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/recogn.html>.
It remains the policy of the PNO.

They voted for Abbas, they have recognised Israel and they have
certainly earned what is left of their land. Unlike Arafat and unlike
every Israeli leader after Rabin, Abbas actually wants to negotiate a
two state solution. Unfortunately, there is no incentive for Israel to
negotiate and they will continue to avoid it by building more Jewish
settlements on Palestinian land.


text:
On 27/09/2011 7:30 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:

Why not? The Arabs would be better off with democracy, freedom of
religion and a modern economy - and the US would've saved tens of
billions in aid.

You're talking shit. Israel is not and has never been anything but
defensive.

Yes.

Ho hum.

That is my reasoning. Very few countries, if any, would've tolerated the
terrorism for so long.

Ho hum. They reneged on the deal starting with the 2nd intifada.

Like most leftists, you're a hypocrite - you hold Israel to the highest
(western) standards, yet you continually forgive violent terrorists and
are prepared to believe them. Guess what? They lie as a tactic. They
negotiate as a tactic.

Terrorists only negotiate when they are defeated. And then they use the
'peace' to regroup so they can attack again.

The Israelis have finally realised that they can live without
Palestinian labour. They day that the wall is completed, the terror
attacks will end. Abbas is defeated and *that* is why e is 'negotiating'.


author: habarah

subject: Job vacency for ex Bahai

text:
Hi Grim

Glentoran F.C seek new coach. An ideal position for any recently annexed
bahai. All they'd have to do is take their teeth out and put seats in.

(G.F.C are a part of the equal shite employment agency).

Any offers Porgie ?

By the way Grim.
Q: What do you throw an drowning ex Bahai?
A:  His ex commuity.

Jasher


author: Dermod Ryder

subject: Re: Job vacency for ex Bahai

text:
"habarah" <[email]> wrote in message
news:b0poqn$t66$[email]...

Jasher,

How do you stop an ex-Bahai drowning?

Take your foot off his head.

Grim.


subject: Re: Job vacency for ex Bahai

text:
"habarah" <[email]> wrote in message
news:b0poqn$t66$[email]...
annexed
in.

Nah! Georgie's only up for the "Blues" - he wouldn't know a good team
if it smacked him in the gob or the goolies!


subject: Re: Job vacency for ex Bahai

text:
"habarah" <[email]> wrote in message
news:b0poqn$t66$[email]...

There is a response to that floating about somewhere.


subject: Re: Job vacency for ex Bahai

text:
"Dermod Ryder" <[email]> wrote in message
news:b0q1un$s0qjt$[email]...
like Clitonville?


subject: Re: Job vacency for ex Bahai

text:
Call Dr Walker his patient is talking to himself again.

in article b1evml$q8i$[email], habarah at
[email] wrote on 31/1/03 11:09 pm:


subject: Re: Job vacency for ex Bahai

text:
"george.fleming2" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Yet another of Splasher's notorious bloopers!  Has it escaped your
attention that Habarah is at btopenworld and I'm at btinternet.  Not
even the DST is worth two separate subscriptions or sets of charges!

seats
team
Porgie looks


author: Dr. Convection

subject: The Nation's Weather

text:
From:
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/nation/7066285.htm

Posted on Tue, Oct. 21, 2003

The Nation's Weather
Associated Press

Cold rain lashed parts of the Northeast and Pacific Northwest early Tuesday,
while the western two-thirds of the nation basked under clear and warm
skies.

High pressure was expected to provide mostly clear to partly cloudy skies
across the Tennessee Valley, Southeast and Gulf Coast states.

Partly to mostly cloudy skies were predicted over the Great Lakes, Ohio
Valley, mid-Atlantic and the Northeast, as developing low pressure and a
cold front swings into the region.

Isolated showers and thundershowers were possible over central and southern
Florida, while rain showers mixing with snow was forecast in New York and
northern New England.

High pressure and clear skies were predicted for the Great Plains, Great
Basin, Four Corners, California and the desert Southwest. Temperatures were
predicted to remain well above seasonal norms.

The only exception to the pleasant conditions in the West was likely to be
in the Pacific Northwest and northern Rockies, where a cold front bringing
rain and some snow was forecast to hit Washington and Oregon.

Temperatures on Tuesday were forecast in the 50s and 60s for the Great
Lakes, New England and the Pacific Northwest; the 60s and 70s for the
mid-Atlantic, Rockies and Midwest; the 80s for the Gulf Coast, southern and
central Plains and interior West; and the 90s for the Southwest and parts of
Texas.

Temperatures in the Lower 48 states on Monday ranged from a low of 17
degrees in Berlin, N.H., to a high of 106 degrees in Thermal, Calif.

ON THE NET

National Weather Service: http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov

Intellicast: http://www.intellicast.com

University of Michigan site: http://cirrus.sprl.umich.edu/wxnet


author: Steve Dufour

subject: Re: The Nation's Weather

text: Thanks for the update Dr. C.  It's beautiful and sunny here in California. :-)


author: Roger Coppock

subject: Re: The Nation's Weather

text:
That coward from Calgary, Dr. Convection, STILL does not know the
difference between weather and climate.  Here on alt.global-warming,
it usually takes a fossil fool about a year to distinguish between
the two.  It's all an IQ test for Dr. Convection, and so far he's
flunking.

"Dr. Convection" wrote:


author: James

subject: Re: The Nation's Weather

text:
"Roger Coppock" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Apparently you never did know the difference and still don't. Why don't you
give us some India stories on how hot it gets.

Tuesday,
skies
southern
and
were
be
bringing
and
parts of


subject: Re: The Nation's Weather

text:
"Roger Coppock" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Apparently you never did know and still don't. Give us some more India heat
stories.

Tuesday,
skies
southern
and
were
be
bringing
and
parts of


subject: Re: The Nation's Weather

text:
Check my India posts again asshole.
Every one discussed climate, not weather.


subject: Re: The Nation's Weather

text:
LOL So hundreds died because of the climate. Not the weather. Yeah. Right.

"Roger Coppock" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


subject: Re: The Nation's Weather

text:
James wrote:
No Toll, THOUSANDS, not "hundreds," ARE DYING, not
(have) "died," because a warming planetary climate
contributed to one in a century record heat waves.  A
couple of thousand people died in India last year.
Thirty thousand, yes 30,000, or more in died in Europe
this year.

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subject: Re: The Nation's Weather

text:
"Roger Coppock" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Right.

Well, everyone has their own scary stories I guess. There is no accounting
for taste no matter how sophmoric they are.


subject: Re: The Nation's Weather

text:
James wrote:

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994259


subject: Re: The Nation's Weather

text:
"Roger Coppock" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
accounting
Why is this some sort of proof of global warmimg? In the first place the
population is much more than it was 50 years ago. In the second place, it's
weather. Don't you know the difference? Do you believe that weather directly
follows useful idiots claims of climate warming in the span of a few years.


author: Chive Mynde

subject: Re: The President's Job Description

text:
Andrew Langer<[email]> wrote in message news:<6S4za.5827$[email]>...

On a support group for breast implant survivors?

You're a sick person, Mr. Langer.


author: Andrew Langer

subject: Re: The President's Job Description

text:
In article <[email]>, Chive Mynde
says...

As you'll note, Mr. McAndrews, I am not the person who raised this issue in
a.s.b-i.  I merely responded to it.  If you have a problem with someone raising
the issue of the President's duties in a.s.b-i, then direct your concerns to the
person who first raised them here:  "gryb", the author of message
[email]

Oh, and LCHRPP "Chive Mynde", is there a good reason why you troll support
groups for breast implant survivors with responses to messages that are over a
month old?

Get professional help for your sickness, Mr. McAndrews.

- Andrew Langer

Any posts by Andrew Langer are his own, written by him, for his own
enjoyment (and the education of others).  Unless expressly stated,
they represent his own views, and not those of any other individuals
or entities.  He is not, nor has he ever been, paid to post here.


subject: Re: The President's Job Description

text:
Andrew Langer<[email]> wrote in message news:<7GMFa.8858$[email]>...

Again, your integrity is shot.  You *never* take responsibility for
*anything* at any time.  That's your whole entire philosophy in a
nutshell.

Your entire life revolves around passing the buck on to somebody else.

At CEI, you worked hard to deflect blame from corporate polluters onto
consumers and environmentalists.

I susepct you do the same thing now, in a different capacity.


author: Richard Hoenes

subject: Re: All mens groups in colleges (was feminist brownshirts)

text:
Organization:
X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2

In article <[email]>
[email] (Ted Frank) writes:

Try, "But Mom, he says I can blame my views on a fraternity, it's not
my fault."

So what you are saying is that (some?) men are inclined to using
sexual coersion, and that putting them in living arangements
with (a large group of?) other males, these inclinations have
a tendency to be legitimized and acted on? And then this subgroup
then pressures others of the group to engage in this behavior?

Can ANYONE point me to ANY of these posts where he has said exactly
what it is about fraternities that would turn otherwise normal students
into rapists?


author: Ted Frank

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Richard Hoenes) writes:

That's one possible hypothesis for why fraternity members have
a rape rate four times that of other campus groups.  Sanday identifies
additional requirements--a sense of belonging to an "elite" (provided
by the pledging process), a hierarchical system that devalues women,
and so on.

Read Sanday.  Then come back to the thread.


author: Nadja Adolf

text:
In article <[email]> [email] (Richard Hoenes) writes:

Yes, I believe that is what he is saying. Not only that, I think his
evaluation is very accurate.

A facetious response is that some of the people drawn into fraternities
aren't normal; in fact, from what I have seen, many participants in the
Greek letter system are more easily influenced by peer pressure than other
students. It is not surprising that a fringe 'daring' element that is
more persistent in pressuring others could gain control.


author: Buyhard for Tibet

subject: U.S. trade deficit with China breaks $100billion

text:
The following article from the Washington Times reports that almost a
quarter of America's trade deficit is caused by imports of Chinese
goods. This is costing America some of her best jobs in engineering
and manufacturing. If you think this is unacceptable, please join the
boycott of Chinese products at http://www.buyhard.fsnet.co.uk, where
you can register details of goods you put back on the shelf when you
realized they were made in China.

U.S. trade deficit for 2002 largest in history
By Jeffrey Sparshott
THE WASHINGTON TIMES, 21st Feb 2003
     The United States recorded the largest trade deficit in its
history during 2002 as the American economy continued to demand
foreign goods while U.S. exporters found weak overseas markets,
according to figures released yesterday.
     The U.S. trade deficit for goods and services reached $435.2
billion for 2002, up 21.5 percent from 2001, the U.S. Commerce
Department said yesterday.
     The record-breaking trade deficit reflects stronger growth in the
United States than overseas.
     The United States' major trade partners, with the exception of
China, have seen poor economic growth. But they are still sending
goods to the United States, even though they are buying less.
     The U.S. trade deficit with the 15-nation European Union grew by
34 percent. And while Japan sent $5 billion less in goods to America
last year, it bought $6 billion less.
     U.S. Treasury Secretary John W. Snow said he would raise concerns
about the lack of growth in Europe and Japan this weekend when he
meets in Paris with finance ministers from the Group of Seven
industrialized countries.
     The Bush administration contends that trade spurs growth in
overseas markets for U.S. goods and services, enhances opportunities
for higher-paying American jobs, expands choices for American
consumers, and promotes U.S. security interests.
     Opponents of the free-trade policy contend it costs jobs.
     U.S. sales of capital goods, mainly computer accessories,
telecommunications equipment and semiconductors, fell by $31.1 billion
from 2001. Exports of industrial supplies and consumer goods also
tailed off, while those of vehicles increased.
     "If you look at details, virtually all of the decline was
attributable to the export of capital goods. What that could mean is
the global economies are weak and business investment worldwide is
soft," said said Mickey D. Levy, chief economist for Bank of America.
     U.S. imports of consumer goods, primarily pharmaceuticals,
household goods, televisions, VCRs, furniture and apparel, increased
the most. Food and beverage, and vehicle imports also jumped.
     The U.S. recorded its biggest trade deficit with China. The gap
reached $103.1 billion, even as U.S. exports to that country grew.
U.S. firms sold more aircraft, semiconductors, fertilizers, industrial
machines and chemicals to China, while China registered a surge in
sales of computer accessories, toys, games, electronics and furniture.
     The next biggest trade deficits were with Japan and Western
Europe.
     The figures are likely to worsen if the U.S. economy recovers or
at least continues to grow more quickly than those of our major
trading partners, said Charles Pearson, head of the economics
department at the Johns Hopkins School of School of Advanced
International Studies.
     "I think we're in a particularly vulnerable position with regard
to foreign trade. We're at the bottom of the [economic] cycle and when
recovery comes, that means sucking in more imports," he said.
     While China's economy is growing steadily, Japan and Europe are
faring poorly.
     The U.S. economy grew slowly during the past three months of
2002, according to preliminary Commerce Department figures. The
projected 0.7 percent annual growth rate for the fourth quarter is
likely to be revised down because of the trade numbers, Mr. Levy said.
     The United States pays for the trade deficit by importing
capital; that is, foreigners have to invest in the United States.
     Economists do not agree whether the trade gap is bad news or
unimportant. Mr. Levy said that overseas capital financing the trade
deficit is not "destabilizing or bad."
     Mr. Pearson said that if overseas investors lose interest in the
United States and stop funding the deficit, the value of the dollar
would spike and interest rates would rise, hurting the economy.


author: Water Babarian

subject: Re: U.S. trade deficit with China breaks $100billion

text:
Hey, buddy, you guys are doing a lousy job.

"Buyhard for Tibet" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Lobsang Dhondup

text:
"Water Babarian" <[email]> wrote in message
news:BS_oa.30513$[email]...

So, we are to dismiss evidence from 'Buyhard' because you fling out
nonsensical words?


author: CC Tang

text:
"Lobsang Dhondup" <[email]> wrote in message news:<a21c8d76700c53f64786b8dfbf42139b@TeraNews>...

No, I'd say we should dismiss evidence from 'Buyhard' because he
flings out nonsensical words he copied from a propaganda flier.


text:
"Lobsang Dhondup" <[email]> wrote in message
news:a21c8d76700c53f64786b8dfbf42139b@TeraNews...
Hopefully, you can do a better job than talking nonesense. The
article itself only proves the "Buyhard for Tibet" failed his
deed.


author: Patt Haring

subject: trained to KILL

text:
"Let's not beat around the bush, thousands of children, little girls and
boys, their mothers too are in train to feel the pain of hot lead ripping
through their flesh, they will soon know what it is like to scream as if in
silence while the roar of warfare smothers their voices. Searing
projectiles, gases, petrochemical weapons, bombs figuratively of apocalyptic
proportions raining down on their humble homes, burning skin from limbs,
melting eyes, causing horrors that Hollywood movies cannot replicate. Then
there is the smell, hair burning, fingernails, digits, limbs, bodies, and
the perishing stench of the dead. Flies, disease, famine all brought about
by mankind. By us all.

"Horrific, isn't it? It is an understanding of this reality that motivates
millions of the globe's citizens to demand that a diplomatic resolution be
achieved.

"Hope is largely what tomorrow's victims have. Oh and innocence, of not
being fully aware of the massive military build-up surrounding them,
training guns and bombs and weapons of mass destruction on their country.
For those more aware: hope of survival, of potential and of world opinion
stopping or reducing the degree of aggression that the United States and
Britain intends for them and their families. Hope remains today. But
tomorrow?

"Then there are the other kids involved in this war, the USA's kids
gathering in Kuwait, and on carriers in the Persian Gulf, the Mediterranean,
Indian Ocean, and in bases throughout the Middle East, Arabia and Europe
north and south. They too are being prepared. They too have had their 'shots
' and as Time Magazine reported are training to achieve 'peak physical and
mental condition'. And indeed as Time contact, Marine Lieut. Colonel Bryan
P. McCoy, says: "We're building them up to the point where they are
emotionally ready to kill."

"These military leaders want the war to begin ASAP. As they conclude that if
you let a 19-year-old sit around for long enough thinking about it, he will
soon start to think about what killing means.

"History does repeat: George Bush Snr's military tactics back during the
1991 Iraq campaign, led to the creation of, the now executed, Timothy
McVeigh "Oklahoma Bomber", and John Allen Muhammed, the 2002 alleged
indiscriminate serial killing "Washington Sniper".

"These are the minds being created again by a military that programmes
youngsters, "to the point where they are emotionally ready to kill".

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0303/S00038.htm


author: positivethoughts

subject: Re: trained to KILL

text:
"Patt Haring" <[email]> wrote in message
news:b4ck81$feg$[email]...
in
apocalyptic
Very emotive language.

September 11th. Innocent men, women and children blasted to oblivion by
fanatics who are quite likely to repeat the same attrocities to you and
yours.

Imagine you were in a hospital bed as a result of these attacks. Tell me
your
feelings about the perpetrators.

Vision


author: KARTOFFELKANONE

subject: Re: trained to KILL

text:
positivethoughts <[email]> wrote in message
news:b4dgca$gsj$[email]...
ripping
Then
and
about

Duh... the hijackers were mostly your friends the Saudis.  No Iraqis were
involved.

I'd be rightfully angry.  You should be too, instead of being led by fear,
think about what's really going on.  Bush let it happen and there were no
fighters scrambled during the attacks.  Your response is stupid as well as
ignorant, so you I don't know why I am even responding to such a halfwit
post.

Aww Jeez, this must be a troll.. If you are for real that stupid(how can
anyone be that numb upstairs?) read this:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html

No wait, if you're stupid keep listening to Rush and the like.  If you're
just ignorant you might want to know what's really going on.


subject: Re: trained to KILL

text:
<[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

<ranting drivel snipped>

Would you like a nice piece of pork pie?

Cheers NPW

 P/S with mustard?


subject: Re: trained to KILL

text:
"mike" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
and
ripping
if
limbs,
Then
and
about

Big long story. Short story follows.

UK TV. Two Iraqi women. Both have suffered as a result of Saddam. One
agrees with intervention. One doesn't. However both agree that Saddam is an
evil
person.

Most people of sound mind agree that Saddam is evil.

Many people disagree with Bush and Blair but they don't think that they are
evil.

None of us in this world are without fault.

Hitler, PolPot, Idi Amin, Saddam are probably more at fault.

Vision


author: shrub

subject: Re: trained to KILL

text:
And where were teh great moralists when thousands were dying in the
Sudan due to religious persecutions? How about Ethiopia? Why do we not
call for a regime change in N. Korea? Why a change in Cuba? Where were
the cries for regime change there. The great moral political machines
of the West were silent and deaf to the cries. Now the poor and
persecuted of Iraq get the attention of the moral leaders! They
warrant regime change!

Wonder why?

shrub

On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 23:59:46 +0000 (UTC), "positivethoughts"
<[email]> wrote:


subject: US MO: PUB LTE: Whose War On Drugs?

text:
US MO: PUB LTE: Whose War On Drugs?

URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1890/a04.html
Newshawk: chip
 Pubdate: Sun, 07 Dec 2003
Source: Joplin Globe, The (MO)
Copyright: 2003 The Joplin Globe
Contact: [email]
Website: http://www.joplinglobe.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/859
Author: Charlene Keener

WHOSE WAR ON DRUGS?

In my opinion the war on drugs was really created to pass a series of laws
that affect all citizens today.  These laws were the beginning of the
government's control and the loss of privacy for all of us.  The big
corporate drug companies wanted to protect their monopoly on the drugs.
They, in turn, with their huge profits, buy the president, senators and
representatives with their campaign contributions.  This is the long and
short of it, and they are not concerned about the health and well-being of
the general population, only the profit.

Pharmacy employees have observed that in many cases the first prescription
is followed by a second for the side effects of the first, then a third for
the side effects of the second, and on and on.  Big corporate drug companies
know a cure is not profitable but treating the symptoms and side effects is
very profitable.

To cover this greed the government created a cover-up, putting young people
in jail for life for doing no more than smoking a weed that grows naturally.
Once again big corporate business wins as these young lifers are put to work
for slave wages in Unicor.  Unicor is factories within the prison system
that big corporations own and that are directly competing in the marketplace
with your company paying your wages and your health-care insurance.  The
taxpayer is paying the prison costs and Unicor is reaping the benefits.

This is a government that puts the greed of so few above the health and well
being of so many.  The war on drugs was the inch we gave the government.
They took a mile and now we have the war on terrorism, the Homeland Security
Act and the Patriot Act.  Check what rights we as citizens lost this time.
It will make you sick, but never fear, they'll find a pill for that too.

Charlene Keener

Joplin
*********************

Mark Renfro
u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant)
u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining)
a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within)
di tli hi = (Warrior)
My Cherokee name.

E-MAIL [email]
(to send E-MAIL remove just one "s")

"The War on Drugs was never, ever about drugs,
it's about bigotry. You can change the law,
but changing the prejudice and fear of bigots who hide
behind drug war rhetoric is a far more challenging task.
It's time to expose the Drug War and the bigots who
promote the ideology of "Zero Tolerance."

-- Steve Kubby, 1998 Libertarian candidate for
Governor of California


author: Mitch

subject: Re: US MO: PUB LTE: Whose War On Drugs?

text:
Wheew!

"Mark2101" <[email]> wrote in message
news:5ggBb.17243$yf.14758@fed1read01...
for
companies
is
people
naturally.
work
marketplace
well
Security


author: Chrissy Chen

subject: Re: US MO: PUB LTE: Whose War On Drugs?

text:
Yahoo one more maggot whacked.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/09/international/middleeast/09IRAQ.html?e
x=1071550800&en=21c591136e24d5b8&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

Death to the christian military.

"Mitch" <[email]> wrote in message
news:JqkBb.115193$[email]...
of laws
the
drugs.
and
and
well-being of
prescription
third
effects
to
system
The
benefits.
and
government.
time.
too.


subject: update on China boycott

text:
By 4th July 2001 , supporters of this campaign had avoided buying
Chinese goods worth a total of $594,579 USD. To take part, please go
to www.boycott-china.org


author: Brian Turner

subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
I was going to buy 1 million dollars worth of toothbrushes in order to try
to make a car completely out of toothbrushes, but out of outrage, I decided
to make it out of Mexican popsicle sticks instead.  So, I tell you this so
you can add my 1 million to your total.

"Buyhard for Tibet" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...


author: Fred Farias

subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
[email] (Buyhard for Tibet) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

Thank You for the information.


subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
"Brian Turner" <[email]> wrote in message news:<Ujpb7.40594$[email]>...

In protest of your protest, I'm buying Chinese pirated CDs of American
movies and software valued at $1,594,579 USD... at a conversion rate
of probably about 10 RMB for every $100 USD of 'retail cost', I expect
this to cost me approximately 15,000 RMB ($2,000 USD).

Phew.


subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
[email] (CC Tang) wrote in message news:<[email]>...

You offer another reason to boycott- the refusal to buy stolen/fenced
merchandise.
Sell out the US for a measly $2000, is that you?

CCP China is a TOTALITARIAN STATE, that is the reason it should be
boycotted, it is a immoral collectivist state.  Its current government
does not have the right to exist. It will not allow dissent, and the
individual man or woman who thinks for himself intellectually, is not
permitted to exist.  Business people who cannot own, are getting as
much as they can in the next 40-50 years. Then that will be it.
Totalitarian states have no right to exist.  That should be obvious.
Go to www.boycott-china.org


subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
"Fred Farias" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

"Totalitarian" is a buzzword you like to throw against the wall cause you
like the stench it leaves, but it's not accurate, if the facts matter.  This
word implies controlling every detail of life, which is clearly not true.  A
great deal of dissent is allowed in China (less than the US or Europe of
course, but not much less than Singapore, which doesn't seem to draw your
ire, and a great deal more than Saudi Arabia).  A great deal of individual
freedom exists as well.

state.

Let's be honest, it's the "collectivist" aspect you really hate isn't it?
The idea of activist public sector taking a leading role in development.  If
they were right authoritarian, and commies were the ones in "reform through
labor camps" now that would a healthy, if imperfect perhaps, situation
right?

Is it your view that there is majority support inside China for toppling the
PRC and replacing it with something more to your liking?  If so, where's the
evidence?  Even the 1989 protesters weren't trying to topple the government
in case you weren't aware, and that was hardly a representative sample of
this primarily rural and small town country.

By the way, what do you think the average Chinese thinks about your boycott?
Think they appreciate it?


author: Jerker Nordlund/Anand Suresh

subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
Nothing can stop me from eating Beijing soup or Sichuan or satay spiced
vegetarian meals.

But I will not buy anything that comes from the PRC propaganda offices....

"Brian Turner" <[email]> skrev i meddelandet
news:8VJb7.41715$[email]...
This
A
collectivist
If
through
the
the
government
boycott?


author: Peter Ip

subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
"Jerker Nordlund/Anand Suresh" <[email]> wrote in message news:<BeRr7.3524$[email]>...

What is _Beijing soup_ and how do you eat soup?

BTW Satay is Malaysian and definitely not Chinese.

22/7


subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
Beijing soup:

Vegetables, scrambled eggs and chicken, sometimes pork (Which I don't eat)
in a clear broth, thickened by starch, sour and tasty with strong chili.

If satay is not chinese, please don't tell the chinese restaurants in
western sweden about it......

"Peter Ip" <[email]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email]...
message news:<BeRr7.3524$[email]>...
offices....


subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
"Jerker Nordlund/Anand Suresh" <[email]> wrote in message news:<rz3u7.5116$[email]>...

Well, remember to correct'em next time; satay is not (culturally)
Chinese.  "Beijing soup" sounds like hot & sour soup.


author: Brian Damage

subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
Satay is a South East Asian Dish that was influnced by the Tamils of Southern
India.  You obviously is a retard.  An idiot unemployed Middle Class Caucasion
European Male who hates Chinese.  You are one stupid fool that thinks that he is
one smartalec that can come over to the USenet and patronize Chinese people.

In article <rz3u7.5116$[email]>, Jerker Nordlund/Anand Suresh
says...

Brian "El Loco Chino" Damage


author: Marcus MacGregor

subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
What the heck are you suggesting? Eliminate them? Sneak in and
assassinate?
Or do you want a ground war with a peaceful nation of 1.2 billion?
You are just being silly, maybe you should get involved in LOCAL
politics. What is your mayor up to anyway?


subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
Jerker's idea of Chinese people comes from interacting with many uneducated
Chinese restaurant waiters and their faux Chinese dishes.

In article <[email]>, CC Tang says...

Brian "El Loco Chino" Damage


subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
CC Tang wrote:

If you next time replace the word "satay" with "Tibet" we might become good
friends U & I.

"CC Tang" <[email]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email]...
message news:<rz3u7.5116$[email]>...
eat)


subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
Hey Brian!

You just launched a boycott against answering my messages! And now you break
it yourself! Which foot are you going to stand on?

( Maybe your Damage has to do with the connection between the left and right
hemispere of the Brian?

"Brian Damage" <[email]> skrev i meddelandet
news:Y3ou7.13181$[email]...
uneducated


subject: Re: update on China boycott

text:
Sorry loser, I guess your reading order of my posts determined whether I replied
you after I posted the 'Jerker's a loser" post or not.  You and other free tibet
shitheads are all the same. A bunch of hate zealots disguising as enlightened
losers.

In article <1rqu7.3280$[email]>, Jerker Nordlund/Anand Suresh
says...

Brian "El Loco Chino" Damage


author: mathew

subject: Re: Georgia Crematorium Blames Jesus for Littering the Grounds with the Dead

text:
In article <a4u5ja$u3o$[email]>,
 "Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian" <[email]>
 wrote:

Yeah, they should have hired Germans to run the business.  Those guys
really know how to run a crematorium.

mathew


author: [redacted]

text:
i quote mick jagger off the "some gilrs" lp,
..."said you always have the lord by your side"
..."i was so pleased to be informed of this that i ran 20 red lights in his
honor"
..."thank you jesus! thank you lord!"

i also quote him, same lp,
..."black girls just want to get fucked all night. i ai'n't got that much
jazz!"


author: Ken Johnson

text:
"mathew" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Just when you were about to dismiss t.b as a waste of bandwidth, along comes
a post like this.

Ken Johnson


author: Freedom Fighter

subject: Re: Next weekend is 9/11 Prayer Weekend!  Oh boy!

text:
"Modemac" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

What can you expect from an imbecile that manipulates others through their
belief in the same myths and superstitions that he believes in, or claims to
believe in?

WE KNOW who really killed all those people in the towers, or at the very
least ALLOWED them to be killed!


author: Rev. Back It On Up 13

subject: Re: Next weekend is 9/11 Prayer Weekend! Oh boy!

text:
Hey.  HEY!  This is a RELIGIOUS group.  Don't ask questions like that
in here.


author: BDK

text:
In article <P5Ytk.19403$[email]>,
[email] says...

You "know" all kinds of shit that's not true.

We already knew that. You're family knew already, everyone around you
knew it already.

And you know what else we sane folks know? Everyone (except your fellow
kooktards) rolls their eyes when your name is mentioned.

Then the snicker, either out loud, or quietly, to themselves..


author: SODDI

text:
"BDK" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

You just got IRONY'ED to death, man.

Modemac is a SEX GOD.


text:
In article <Dq4uk.18714$[email]>,
[email] says...

So says the kooktard. Yawn.

Anyone who has 2001 as his favorite movie is no god of anything,
especially sex.


author: james g. keegan jr.

text:
Will Bush Suck the GOP Down the Drain with Him?
-Arianna Huffington

George Bush continues to swirl around the drain; the only question
now is: will he suck the Republican Party down with him?

Michael Gerson, the speechwriter responsible for many of the
president's rare moments of eloquence ("the soft bigotry of low
expectations," "Grief and tragedy and hatred are only for a time.
Goodness, remembrance, and love have no end.") certainly sounded
gloomy about the current state of the GOP during his spot on Sunday's
This Week with George Stephanopoulos: "The party is in a funk. There
is a lack of creativity, very little domestic policy energy. I think
it's going to be a problem."

Of course, Gerson is one of the party's brightest thinkers and a Bush
loyalist, so his calling it "a problem" must be translated as "a
disaster." In the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll [pdf], a
whopping 74 percent of Americans think the country is on the wrong
track. Only 24 percent think we're heading in the right direction.

Which makes the behavior of the leading GOP presidential candidates
all the more befuddling. To a man, every one of the top tier
candidates -- Giuliani, Romney, McCain, Thompson, and Huckabee --
seems intent on competing to see who can out-Bush Bush. Not a single
one of them has tried to put any distance between himself and the
president -- especially on foreign policy, the area of Bush's most
catastrophic policies. As George Will put it, "They are, if anything,
to the right of [Bush] on foreign policy. There's a bidding war to
see who can be more hawkish toward Iran."

I've written about how the lunatic fringe of the GOP has taken over
the party. Well, the takeover is so complete that those looking to
lead the party have come to the conclusion that the only way they can
win is to compete for the 24 percent of the country that does not
think we are headed over the edge of a cliff. They are all vying to
be voted head wacko of the lunatic fringe. Running on a platform of
heightened Bushism, they seem to think the reason three-quarters of
the country has turned against the president is because he just
wasn't extreme enough. So the problems of the GOP will only intensify
when Bush packs his bags.

The reign of Bush and Cheney has not only alienated the public. It
has also alienated conservative intellectuals like Gerson and Will --
and Bill Buckley, the godfather of conservative intellectuals.

Back in April, writing about Iraq, Buckley called public opinion on
the war "savagely decisive" and concluded, "There are grounds for
wondering whether the Republican Party will survive this dilemma."

If the Republican Party in its current shape ends up fading away to
obscurity and irrelevancy, for its epitaph, we can use the words of
Don Rumsfeld (trying to sugar coat a different debacle): "The
dead-enders are still with us, those remnants of the defeated regimes
who'll go on fighting long after their cause is lost."

Now, can some please explain to me why the Democrats keep caving in
to this bunch of dead-enders?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/will-bush-suck-the-go
p-do_b_71216.html


author: Quadibloc

subject: Re: Will Bush Suck the GOP Down the Drain with Him?

text:
james g. keegan jr. quoted, in part:

Those Americans who would like to see the United States backpedal on
its efforts to ensure that September 11, 2001 is never repeated, and
those responsible are brought to justice, can always vote Democratic.

Even the Democrats, though, don't take such a position - they attack
the Iraq war as an irrelevancy, a distraction, and complain that Osama
bin Laden hasn't been caught yet in Afghanistan. (They wouldn't invade
Pakistan any more than Bush would, and they know it; they're just
conveniently taking advantage of the fact that Bush has the real
responsibilities of being President and having a difficult situation
to contend with.)

The fact is - terrorists are now on the loose in Iraq, and we need to
crush them so that the Iraqi people - they are human beings too - can
get on with building their future, showing the whole Islamic world
that fanaticism leads nowhere, while being cozy with the U.S. means a
bright prosperous future. This goal isn't currently achieved when the
terrorists can kill the ordinary Iraqi people.

John Savard


author: * US *

text:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:52:17 -0800, Quadibloc <[email]> wrote:

You don't do that by terrorizing those who were never involved.


author: Ray Fischer

text:
Quadibloc  <[email]> wrote:

The Republicans have killed FAR more innocent people in it's invasions
than were ever involved in 9/11.

All true.

Thanks to Bush.

You sound like a nazi saying that the enemy needs to be crushed, no
matter how many innocent people die as a result.


text:
In article <[email]>,
 Quadibloc <[email]> wrote:

yes. united states forces. the same one which illegally invaded a
sovereign nation. and no one wants then there.


subject: Disproving Creation: Dogs Know When Their Owners Are Coming Home Ergo Baby Jesu™!  lol

text:
You know how profoundly stupid and desperate the creationists are
when, instead of doing science and reporting on that as real
scientists do, they write juvenile and blindly gullible books
featuring pathetic claims, as Jerry Coyne points out here::
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/rupert-sheldrakes-new-book-dogs-know-when-their-owners-are-coming-home-ergo-jesus/

Budikka


author: Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess

subject: Re: Disproving Creation: Dogs Know When Their Owners Are Coming Home Ergo Baby Jesu™! lol

text:
On Jan 30, 2:21 pm, Budikka666 <[email]> wrote:

They definitely got it wrong since everyone knows that dogs just have
exceptionally good hearing -- it's the cats who are telepathic.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Dogs have owners; cats have staff."
   -- Don Kresch


author: Devils Advocaat

text:
On Jan 30, 11:02 pm, MarkA <[email]> wrote:

Being that cats are gods, they already know what everyone is going to
be thinking before they think it.


author: MarkA

subject: Re: Re: Disproving Creation: Dogs Know When Their Owners Are Coming Home Ergo Baby Jesu™! lol

text:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:47:15 -0800, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:

The irony there is that cats, while truly telepathic, don't give a shit
about what others are thinking!

--
MarkA

If you can read this, you can stop reading now.


author: Raymond Karczewski

text:
A Judiciary Controlled by Corporate Wealth!!  A Solution:  BOYCOTT,
BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT!!

Jeffersonne 152.163.100.67  wrote:

Raymond Karczewski ([email]) wrote:

Oct 10, 2006 11:15AM

j:  >  Throwing out all the religious rig a morole, our judiciary is
filled with Reagan, Nixon, Bush I, and Bush II, appointees who are
corporate magnates.  It would take 100 JFKs to save America. But, it
can be done. Dont give up on our system. It is those who pervert the
system that must be removed.

rk:  Jeff, It is a fact that Americans live their daily lives under
the hypnotic spell of mind Control, both religious and political.
Check the TV, Radio, and Print media.  You will see that what I say is
True.

rk:  Such mindcontrolling influence  is so commonplace through mediums
of broadcast and print news, buttressed by Judeo Christian
multimillion dollar Evangelistic operations, the blind and ignorant
believe it to be a normal state of consciousness.

rk:  The Sovereign People who forgot who they are, and where their
Sovereignty comes from,  is the problem, not the politicians or the
priests/clergy.  When servants become the master, all those corrupted
in consciousness, have been caused to worship upon the altar of
BASSACKWARD.  They live in confusion and strife, from the cradle to
the grave.

rk: This BASSACKWARD shroud which encompasses actions and thought of
the American People manifests itself in governmental and street crime,
Civil and International wars, financial, Corporate, Government, and
Religious exploitation which author organized deceptions promoted
daily by publicly media invested churches and government leaders.

rk:  Where is the hue and cry of the public over the theft of
Trillions of Dollars (The Leo Wanta Fiasco) from the American People?
This is the signature of blind, obedient and grovelling  Sheeple  who
can  hardly muster a  whimper over the theft of their tax  monies they
have entrusted to their illusory fictional government, a government
which doesn't even bother anymore to cover up their crimes and acts of
tyranny with their previously routine schmoozy positive imaged Public
Relations Campaigns.

rk:  Ah!  That was the "Old World Order, was it not?"  Americans are
currently being conditioned to accept the Death of the their
Constitutional Republic and primed to meet the NEW WORLD ORDER as
groveling slaves.

rk:  Their spirit has been broken.  They doubt themselves. The
American man today is not much more than a posturing effeminate eunuch
bound by  hollywood images of men who lived in days of yore. They do
not see themselves as standalone Sovereigns, as individuals equal to
all, masters on none.  They readily however grovel before their public
servants as moany-groany, impotent, codependent playacting punks.

rk:  The People of America  are caught in the web of bankruptcies and
foreclosures of real estate property they purchased with valueless
paper fiat currency known as the Federal Reserve Note.

rk:  Millions  of credit strapped foolish people are finding out they
have been hoodwinked out of their life-long accumulation of property
gained by the sweat of their brow in return for their "enslaving
promise"  to return the federal reserve notes and pay off the
"imaginary" interest accrued to  nonexisting money (the illusion may
appear real but it can never be True).

rk:  Who says one cannot create something out of nothing.  The
Satanist elitists prove this out every day in the lives of a Legion of
Enslaved Sheeple now ruled through  remote controlling authority.
The People of American do not realize how they and their families have
been made into slaves through their consent to accepting 14th
Amendment citizenship by cunning lawyers and bankers.  They sold their
souls for the mess of pottage called SECURITY.

rk:  That Jeff, IS THE TRUE PICTURE Of America Today.

rk:  The people must AWAKEN and CAST EVERY INCUMBENT OUT OF OFFICE.--
EVERY INCUMBENT, BAR NONE.

rk:  The VOTING MACHINES ARE A FRAUD.  BOYCOTT THEM!  DEMAND PAPER
BALLOTS.  ACCEPT NOTHING LESS IF YOU MUST ENGAGE IN THE USELESS
EXERCISE OF VOTING.

rk:  There is nothing Stronger than 300 plus  million individuals,
standing independently one from the other, shoulder to shoulder from
the Atlantic to the Pacific, from the Mexican to the Canadian Border
WHO KNOW WHO THEY ARE and understand their proper relationship with
THEIR SERVANT GOVERNMENT TO END THIS NEW WORLD ORDER NONSENSE, NOW,
TODAY, THIS VERY MOMENT.  Know it in your heart and IT WILL MANIFEST
IN YOUR LIVES.

rk:  As for our present TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT --- BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT,
BOYCOTT IT, and you will understand what it means to be the MEEK WHO
SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH.

rk:  No need for violence.  After all, the outcome is a
self-fulfilling prophecy.  The only thing Civilized man has not done
since the beginning of time to throw of Tyranny, is the nonviolent
Spritual Act of BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT.

PLAY THEIR GAME NO MORE AND THE GAME IS OVER!!!

       Raymond Ronald Karczewskiï¿½ -- A Living Christ
***********************************************************
 FOOLPROOF PLAN FOR TAKING BACK OUR COUNTRY

              October 11 2006:  DAY 618

JOIN NATIONAL CORPORATE CONSUMERS BOYCOTT ALREADY IN
PROGRESS. Tis the peaceful Way to Show Corporate Government
Who's BOSS!
SEE: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch121.html#BOYCOTT

Do not surrender your guns: be prepared to use them
for Self-protection in the event Martial Law is
declared.

Begin IMPEACHMENT proceedings on President Bush and other TREASONOUS National Leaders.

DEMAND RESIGNATIONS FROM THE TOP DOWN.

***************************************************
In the NEXT TWO NATIONAL, STATE, AND LOCAL ELECTIONS.
WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN!  WITHOUT EXCEPTION, VOTE ALL
INCUMBENTS OUT -- ALL INCUMBENTS!
***************************************************
(FORGET THE ABOVE STATEMENT - AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE TWO NATIONAL ELECTIONS IN WHICH TO RESOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS.  THE TIME TO SOLVE THEM IS NOW!

REMOVE THE OLD. INSTALL THE NEW!

LET TRAITORS KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR CONTINUED EXPECTATION OF EMPLOYMENT WHILE CONDUCTING BUSINESS AS USUAL.

THE NEW ORLEANS POLICE HAVE ALREADY LEARNED THAT LESSON. They Stopped Coming to Work until it was safe to return.

It is time all SATANIC leadership learn the same harsh lesson which accompanies the loss of one's integrity.

DO YOUR PART! Put the FREE back into the LAND OF THE
FREE!

 Raymond Ronald Karczewskiï¿½ -- A Simple Man of Truth
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 In the illusion based world of man's thought, there  exist
  healthy egos and unhealthy egos --visit my home page and
         meet the unhealthy ego's worst nightmare!
              http://www.arkenterprises.com
************************************************************


author: Uncle Vic

subject: Re: Is atheism becoming a religion?

text:
One fine day in alt.atheism, [email] wrote:

Why does this website suddenly turn into a barrage of 9-11 conspiracy
theories?


author: David Canzi

subject: Re: Is atheism becoming a religion?

text:
In article <Xns9BC3A95FB4BC6vicman@216.196.97.130>,
Uncle Vic  <[email]> wrote:

Old pest, new morph.  Before he started morphing he used to post
as "useful_info" asking people to visit a web site (not the same
site he's peddling now.)

Troofers (and members of other denialist movements) think they're
independent thinkers when, in fact, the last independent thought
most of them have ever had was choosing which crowd to follow.


author: The Chief Instigator

subject: Re: Is atheism becoming a religion?

text:
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 05:07:46 +0000 (UTC), David Canzi <[email]> wrote:

...not to mention a botched Russian obscenity in his chosen alias.

...and that's been a fair constant since I waded into Usenet two decades
ago.


author: Michel Montaigne

subject: Re: Is atheism becoming a religion?

text:
Seems like word games are being played here.   To call atheism a
religion is oxymoronic.  How can one disbelieve a concept or idea that
presents no evidence in reality but is believed to exist?  Goofy IMO.


author: Christopher A. Lee

subject: Re: Is atheism becoming a religion?

text:
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:06:05 -0800, [email] (Michel
Montaigne) wrote:

It's believers who can't think outside the box, who project their own
need for a foundational ideology and all its baggage onto everybody
else.

How many Christians have you met who actually understand that to an
atheist, not believing in what is merely the god of somebody else's
religion is no different than the eg a Christian not believing in
Zeus?