text:
On Oct 16, 7:32 am, gfn <[email]> wrote:

I remember the '60s and what was said about the protestors.  I
remember
the summer of love.

Who can afford to protest?  While I could take a vacation and protest
I have to schedule well in advance.  I don't like knowing that some
who represent me lack the social graces.  I forgive them even as they
embarass me and make our path harder.

What saddens me is yet another attempt to divide poeple, this time
along age lines.  While the young and old have different needs, all of
us who are lucky enough to survive into old age pass through all of
these phases.  A well rounded society will help the young and prepare
them for the time when they will have to support the next generation
and
the past generation who has moved beyond their productive years.


author: Ray Fischer

subject: Re: The Revolution means transfer of power from the Old to the Young

text:
Old Baye  <[email]> wrote:

Oh look - the socialist is whining about medicare cuts!

--
Ray Fischer         |  Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
[email]  |    The new GOP ideal


text:
Old Baye  <[email]> wrote:

Native Americans? Blacks?  No, wait, that was your country, wasn't it?

--
Ray Fischer         |  Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
[email]  |    The new GOP ideal


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: Is the fetus a human being

text:
On Oct 29, 7:58 am, Gwen Bennet <[email]> wrote:

You're the one who seems to have the need to constantly report your
friendship with newsgroup members and what you do in life.


subject: Re: Is the fetus a human being

text:
<[email]> wrote:

Because of your patholiigical need to share details of your life, we
know what job you have (had), how many children you have, we know
about your service record, your pay grade, the fact that your current
wife had an abortion, and more.

Once again you try to accuse other people of doing exactly what you do.


author: Tom S.

subject: Re: Is the fetus a human being

text:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:19:59 -0700 (PDT), [email] wrote:

Feel free to do the same, Bobby.  I'm especially interested in hearing
about your friendship with newsgroup members.  (((^:

Tom S.


author: Osprey

subject: Re: Is the fetus a human being

text:
Tom S. wrote:

Uh Tom...

Unlike you, I don't seek to find friends in a newsgroup. I have friends
right here at home, at work, and other community organizations I belong
to.  So if you think I'm like you and seek to find friends in a
newsgroup, you're on the wrong track.

Your life may be that lonely, but mine isn't.


subject: Re: Is the fetus a human being

text:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:53:36 -0400, Osprey <[email]>
wrote:

Any that will admit being your friends??

If you think I come here to find friends, you are sadly mistaken.
However, friendship does happen here.  And in chat groups, networking
spaces...... as well as all of the places you mentioned.

Tom S.


subject: Re: Did Hitler understand the Christian faith?

text:
On Jul 11, 12:02 pm, gladys swager <[email]> wrote:

I'm curious, Ms. Swager; Do you also use this argument against those
who would paint non-believing tyrants like Mao, Stalin, etc. as such?
The definition of a Christian is anyone who believes that Jesus Christ
lived, died, and rose again in fulfillment of scriptures. Thus, Hitler
was indeed a Christian, just as Stalin's dis-belief made him an
atheist.

See, I do agree that just because Hitler believed as you do, that
doesn't equate his actions as those you'd agree with. I would only ask
that you remain consistent, and remind those, like the juvenile wall
of text-provider here, who claims that Stalin, et. al, are the perfect
replicas of atheist worldviews, that having a similar opinion on one
aspect of life does not paint all of them as equal partners in crime.

Thank you for your consideration.


text:
"trog69" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
On Jul 11, 12:02 pm, gladys swager <[email]> wrote:

That differs little from the common claim/excuse that "He wasn't a "True
Christian" (tm).

I'm curious, Ms. Swager; Do you also use this argument against those
who would paint non-believing tyrants like Mao, Stalin, etc. as such?
The definition of a Christian is anyone who believes that Jesus Christ
lived, died, and rose again in fulfillment of scriptures. Thus, Hitler
was indeed a Christian, just as Stalin's dis-belief made him an
atheist.

See, I do agree that just because Hitler believed as you do, that
doesn't equate his actions as those you'd agree with. I would only ask
that you remain consistent, and remind those, like the juvenile wall
of text-provider here, who claims that Stalin, et. al, are the perfect
replicas of atheist worldviews, that having a similar opinion on one
aspect of life does not paint all of them as equal partners in crime.

Thank you for your consideration.


author: Dakota

text:
On Tue 7/13/10 11:30, [email] wrote:

Many say that Hitler wasn't a true Scotsman either.


author: Mike

subject: Motorist drives into Pizza Hut ... guess the driver's age

text:
To resurrect an old thread about the elderly always crashing into
things, here's a gem from Houston, where a car ended up _inside_ a Pizza
Hut!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6932589.html

Houston Chronicle
2 children hurt when car crashes into Houston Pizza Hut
March 27, 2010, 9:44AM

Two children were injured Friday night when a driver crashed her car
into a Pizza Hut in the 12000 block of Bissonnet.

According to Houston police, the 73-year-old woman was attempting to
park at the eatery around 8:30 p.m. when she accidentally pressed the
gas instead of her brakes.

ï¿½She then drove into the Pizza Hut lobby,ï¿½ Houston Police Department
spokeswoman Jodi Silva said.

The car struck an 9-year-old boy, who was sent to the hospital with a
collapsed lung, and an 11-year-old girl, who sustained minor cuts from
glass fragments. Both children were transported to Memorial Hermann -
Texas Medical Center.

The driver, whose name was not released, received a medical evaluation
at the scene.

No charges have been filed, but the incident remains under
investigation, Silva said.


author: Jo Baggs

subject: Re: Motorist drives into Pizza Hut ... guess the driver's age

text:
"Mike" <[email]> wrote in message
news:hommmb$sle$[email]...

This never gets old: Hilarious
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103856


text:
"Mike" <[email]> wrote in message
news:hommmb$sle$[email]...

I personally know a woman who did the same thing at a Wendy's.

She was 17 at the time.

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: [email] ---


text:
Mike wrote:

Closer to home - crash into Yacht Club

http://article.wn.com/view/2010/03/28/Yacht_Club_Beverages_suspends_soda_production_after_crash/


text:
On 3/28/2010 7:20 AM, Jo Baggs wrote:

That HAS TO BE a link to Grey Dawn ... :)  LOL.


subject: Re: Motorist drives into yacht Club ... guess the driver's age

text:
clams_casino wrote:

    Yacht Club Beverages suspends soda production after crash

          01:00 AM EDT on Sunday, March 28, 2010

By Gregory Smith

Journal Staff Writer

Soda and ice made for an atypically distasteful day at Yacht Club
Beverages in North Providence Saturday.

A sport-utility vehicle with a Pawtucket woman behind the wheel skidded
on ice on the Centredale Bypass, caromed off a utility pole, charged
down a narrow driveway, crashed into Yacht Clubï¿½s 1924 bottling plant
and destroyed a good deal of its inventory.

ï¿½She put us out of businessï¿½ temporarily, declared William Sgambato,
ï¿½owner emeritusï¿½ of Yacht Club.

The accident was one of at least two in Providence and North Providence
Saturday morning in which a motor vehicle struck a building.

North Providence police Lt. Daniel Cennamo said the motorist, Antonia
Francis, 43, apparently fell victim to a familiar problem at the bypass:
Water oozes from the ledge alongside the street, flows onto the pavement
and freezes in cold weather.

ï¿½She must have gotten disoriented. She hit her head ï¿½ and she drove
straight into the building,ï¿½ Cennamo said.

Francis was treated for a head injury at Our Lady of Fatima Hospital.

ï¿½It sounded like a bomb when it hit the building,ï¿½ recalled Sgambato,
who said family members were poised to enter the building for the work
day at about 8:10 a.m. when the accident occurred. Francisï¿½ SUV took
down a steel-reinforced brick support and a closed overhead door, plowed
inside and smashed 400 to 500 bottles of soda.

ï¿½Weï¿½ve been turning people away all day,ï¿½ lamented John Sgambato, who
with his brother Michael now co-owns the company. They are the sons of
William Sgambato, who added, ï¿½This was quite a fiasco.ï¿½

ï¿½Nobody got hurt (inside). Thatï¿½s the big thing,ï¿½ the elder Sgambato
commented as he pointed out the large sheets of plywood covering the
gaping hole in the structure.

The Sgambatos said it seemed so improbable that the out-of-control SUV
missed another building closer to the bypass, traveled through a tight
space between that building and a fence and then made a left-hand turn
in order to reach the plant.

The second accident occurred at about 9 a.m. in Providence, when a truck
struck a building at 1850 Westminster St., just east of Olneyville
Square, occupied by Crown Wholesale Jewelry. Fire Department Battalion
Chief Joseph R. Desmarais said the driver, a female in her 30s, appeared
to be hurt slightly and was taken to Rhode Island Hospital.

The impact at a corner of the building caused fractures in the
foundation, and a city building inspector was summoned to evaluate the
damage.


text:
On 3/28/2010 4:54 AM, clams_casino wrote:

...

Icy road, not the same kind of accident.


text:
Mike wrote:

Speed limit is 25 - " skidded on ice on the Centredale Bypass, caromed
off a utility pole, charged down a narrow driveway, crashed into Yacht
Clubï¿½s 1924 bottling plant".

"SUV took down a steel-reinforced brick support and a closed overhead door"

Neat trick at 25 mph.

I'll take chances with senior citizens vs. reckless drivers (any doubt
she was speeding), any day.

Wonder if she was on her cell phone as well?


text:
On 3/28/2010 8:09 AM, clams_casino wrote:

We take the reckless off our roads. We need to do the same with seniors,
once they start becoming dangerously confused behind the wheel.

Coulda been. Maybe putting on makeup, too!

Still not the same thing as being confused enough to step on the gas and
think it's the brake. Happens overwhelmingly to the over 60 crowd. Did
you see the age distributions of drivers of those "runaway" Toyotas?


author: Mark T. B. Carroll

text:
Mike <[email]> writes:

Indeed. Though, if it helped with the seniors' lobby, I'd be fine with
re-tests occurring every few years for /everybody/. Some of the advanced
driving qualifications in Britain require periodic retesting, and
goodness knows a lot of "pre-senior" people also drive abysmally. Also,
I'd be fine with such a move including more development of public
transport alternatives. I have some sympathy with seniors who, while
they don't drive well, are reluctant to give it up given the lack of any
other way to get around. Admittedly, it's hard to arrange anything like
that economically in sparsely-populated areas -- I guess some of them
will just have to move house if they become too isolated without a
vehicle where they are. Of course, it doesn't help how widely dispersed
families become in modern times.

My wife getting her driver license renewed saw someone ahead of her -- a
woman with a very old lady in a wheelchair. It turned out the old lady
was getting her license renewed too, except her daughter kept having to
wake her up for different parts of the process. We prayed that she
wasn't actually planning to use it to drive.

Happens also to people learning to drive, of course. But, yes.

Then again, is it that Toyota drivers tend to be older anyway? (-:
Probably not, it's hard for me to judge overall, partly because I've
noticed that popularity of car brands seems to vary based on where I am
in the US. I've not seen enough to form a clear impression of such
demographics given how non-uniform they seem to be.

Admittedly, maybe once every few years, despite trying to take care, I
catch the side of the throttle with the sole of my shoe when I brake.
(Though, as I prefer stick shift, stopping at low speed I'd normally
have the clutch down at that point anyway.) I'm glad that barefoot
driving is legal in many states: I've often felt safer like that. Being
able to feel the exact position and shape of the pedals keeps me very
sure about where my feet are, and I can still press the pedals hard if
necessary. So, I've generally considered the prejudice against barefoot
driving to be somewhat irrational.

Mark


text:
On 3/28/2010 8:17 AM, Mike wrote:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/03/how-real-are-the-defects-in-toyotas-cars/37448/?rss=37448

     The Los Angeles Times recently did a story detailing all of the
NHTSA reports of Toyota "sudden acceleration" fatalities, and, though
the Times did not mention it, the ages of the drivers involved were
striking.

     In the 24 cases where driver age was reported or readily inferred,
the drivers included those of the ages 60, 61, 63, 66, 68, 71, 72, 72,
77, 79, 83, 85, 89--and I'm leaving out the son whose age wasn't
identified, but whose 94-year-old father died as a passenger.

      These "electronic defects" apparently discriminate against the
elderly, just as the sudden acceleration of Audis and GM autos did
before them. (If computers are going to discriminate against anyone,
they should be picking on the young, who are more likely to take up arms
against the rise of the machines and future Terminators).


text:
On 3/28/2010 8:48 AM, Mark T. B. Carroll wrote:

That's the usual response to targeted change: either you do it to
everyone, or no one ... and so the cost of change becomes prohibitive
... and the elderly continue to drive, with no retests ... and continue
to create drive-thru entrances in homes and restaurants where there was
none the day before.

And while this "equal treatment" may be the law after the ADA (I would
definitely argue that it's NOT), it's just dumb, IMO.

(Segue to health care) It's like an insurance company saying: "Sorry, we
won't cover prostate cancer screening for just the elderly. Either
everyone gets the test, or no one."

It's a very well documented fact that the elderly tend to suffer
diminished mental capacity with age. And the older they get, the worse
it gets.

I agree that if grandpa lives in the boonies, he needs his car, but
regardless, if he can't pass a retest, then he needs to lose his license.

Geez!!


author: Potatohead Exemplar

text:
Mike wrote:
---------------
You never stop being a self-righteous ass, do you? A
smug prick with cures for everything deemed a
roadblock on the way to paradise. Why, oh why, does
not the government listen to you when you know you
are so smart?

Did you notice the ages of those two women "yacht
club thread" building-bumpers? Forty-three and "in
her thirties". Perhaps we should test all women
drivers too.

Does it make any sense to you that the ages were
only posted in cases where the drivers were 60 up?
Because if the only ones having trouble with Toyotas
were the elderly, then the problem is easily solved:
make them drive Fords.

Jerk!!


author: Non scrivetemi

text:
Mike <[email]> wrote:

It's not dumb at all.

There are far too incompetent drivers and scoflaws on the road.

Test 'em all and test 'em often I say.


text:
Mike <[email]> writes:

I'm not sure that paying for a retest every five years or whatever would
be "prohibitive" -- it'd be tiny in comparison to the other costs of
motoring that drivers already willingly shoulder. (Though the costs are
so spread out over different categories at different times that many
probably don't realize how much they add up to.) It'd probably be
politically unacceptable, though, given how many Americans seem to
behave as if driving is a constitutionally-guaranteed right and know
deep down that they may not easily pass a retest.

I'd probably feel better if the initial test were a bit tougher, though.
It's well-known to be a joke. Inexperienced drivers do cause a lot of
accidents too so maybe it wouldn't be poor targeting to include an
automatic retest after a few years for newly qualified drivers.

Perhaps you could achieve reasonable targeting while pacifying the
seniors lobby if one instead had periodic retesting that is deactivated
if you pass two consecutive ones first-time and reactivated if you get a
traffic ticket? Or are elderly drivers -- the ones you fear are the most
dangerous -- not usually being caught for a minor violation before they
go on to do something major?

(snip)

Tangentially: I've wished that age discrimination weren't so prevalent:
I'm passing over quite a few job vacancy ads because of clear upper
limits on years of experience. (I've done programming-for-hire for
around twenty years now. It's not like my brain's ossifying (yet)!)

Indeed.

(snip)

Certainly it surprises me how casually people seem to take the idea of
being the operator of a large high-speed chunk of metal in public areas.

Mark


text:
On 3/28/2010 10:59 AM, Potatohead Exemplar wrote:

Nope. ;)

The median age of all the runaway Toyota drivers is 60.5. Now, does it
make any sense to you that such a skewed age distribution would would be
a matter of random coincidence?

I'd take that as an insult if it came from someone with full faculties!!


text:
On 3/28/2010 9:30 PM, Non scrivetemi wrote:

It's not dumb?

Does it make sense to test everyone for prostate cancer every five years
when we know the medical condition is strongly correlated with increased
age?

Likewise, dotage is a medical condition strongly correlated with
increased age.


text:
"Mark T. B. Carroll" <[email]> wrote:

Glad I'm not the only one who has noticed this.


text:
Mike <[email]> writes:

You remind me of a hilarious news story I read years ago in Britain: an
elderly woman had her learner's permit revoked. She was only partially
sighted and her passenger, helping her, was a legally blind friend. I
forget what offense she was initially pulled over for.

Mark


text:
Mike wrote:
-------------------
Which means that people from 30 to 90 have had
Toyota problems. OR... it could be from 20 to 100.

That means that just as many people UNDER 60 have
had problems as OVER 60.

You posted 60 up. I don't see the under 60s listed
there, do you?


text:
"Mike" <[email]> wrote in message
news:hoo7s3$b07$[email]...

So if half are over 60 and half are under 60, how do you make the leap that
old people are the problem? (even though they are :))


text:
Non scrivetemi wrote:
-------------
Some of us are good at it.
Credit where credit is due, I say!


text:
Mark T. B. Carroll wrote:
------------------
You only feed the nonsense that he's spinning with
stuff like that. No one is suggesting that an
ability-limited driver should be allowed to continue
driving at any age.

The keys here are that she was partially sighted and
her passenger was legally blind. They could be
teenagers and that wouldn't play either. Obviously
it's only "hilarious" because they were aged.

How about a couple of funny drunk driver stories to
even out the statistics.


text:
On 3/28/2010 12:30 PM, Potatohead Exemplar wrote:

By the way, do they let you have access to Google in the Rest Home? If
so, the answers to most of your questions are just a few clicks away.

PS: Good to see you back, we've missed you here. Hope you decide to
stick around and keep contributing.


text:
Potatohead Exemplar <[email]> writes:

Indeed. So you don't need to be agitated by the idea that they are.

That wasn't my impression -- the aged connection was just what reminded
me, not what makes it funny. Do you really think it doesn't work if
they're teenagers?

Feel free to provide some.

Mark


text:
Mike wrote:
-------------
No rest home yet. I have to drive to the library.

What? I'm going to spend the 15-20 minutes I have
left wildgoose-chasing after your crackpot diatribes!

BTW - inadequate response to my response to your
posit. Evasion is not acceptable. Perhaps a straw
man will do if it's past my bedtime.

Just remember, you aren't getting any younger. Just
older and more obnoxious. Won't be long before
there's drool on your own steering wheel.


text:
Potatohead Exemplar <[email]> writes:

Just so long as he stays continent. (-:

Mark


text:
On 3/28/2010 5:36 PM, Potatohead Exemplar wrote:

For sure, we're all getting older, but some of us accept the facts of
aging and would agree to be tested more often as we get older.


text:
Mark T. B. Carroll wrote:
-------------
Eh, what makes you think... oh never mind.


text:
Mike wrote:
-------------
Well I wouldn't mind being tested. My concern who
will be doing it and how difficult will it be,
time-wise. Where will it be done?

You know hard hard it is to get anything done at the
Registry. And they are a pretty snotty bunch,
usually. It would probably be an all-day event and
generally a very disgusting experience. And if I
were a drunken geezer, you can bet that I'd be sober
that day.

They send someone to my house for an interview and a
drive around the block, no problem. I'll put my
driving against yours any day. And when I'm not any
good at it, I'll tear up my license myself. Until
then, get off my case.


text:
Mike wrote:
-----------
A lot more people get killed by drunken drivers than
by old folks. You consistently ignore that. They
take down more trees and telephone poles and drive
into things more than old folks. And drunk drivers
is a problem that they can make go away a lot easier
than pestering geezers. My argument isn't with you,
which is a major waste of time. It's with the system
that lets these bastards out to kill again.

Odds are a drunk driver or a woman who insists on
talking on the phone while driving will kill me
before I kill one of them. I'm not usually out when
drunks are careening around but I dodge women on the
phone every day crossing the Dunkin' Donuts parking
lot. One of my coffee mates got his leg broken by
one a year or so back. She said the sun was in her
eyes and didn't see him. Trouble with that is the
suns sets in the west and she was driving east.

I recognized early on that it was nuts to talk on
the phone and drive and I do not do it. And I don't
drink alcohol... period.

Now you explain to me that other thing which you
ignore: if the median age for Toyota driver-problems
is 60, it means half the drivers were LESS than 60.
That's what median means. So why are you citing
geezer statistics only and not facing the full point
of your own stats?

You won't answer it so I will: because you are a
ballbuster and that's a common ploy that works well
for you with guys like Baggs, who seem to like
tossing themselves under your bus. With you, an
argument has to be won... by any tactic that will
work. Truth - getting at it - does not matter to
you, just winning an argument or wearing the other
until he or she no longer gives a shit.

No sale!

NOW... that being said, I'm done.


text:
Potatohead Exemplar wrote:

While at a red light this week, I noticed a gal adjacent to me driving
with a cigarette in one hand and a cell phone in the other.


text:
"Potatohead Exemplar" <[email]> wrote in message
news:jp%rn.36746$[email]...

I dont recall Mike ever beating me at an argument.  Of course, I'm getting
old and I dont remember so well anymore.


text:
"Potatohead Exemplar" <[email]> wrote in message
news:jp%rn.36746$[email]...

Spud and his wife being typical old hooligans on the road.  Shame on you
Spud, you crotchety old geezer.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=14953746


text:
On 3/29/2010 3:37 AM, Potatohead Exemplar wrote:

I'm not ignoring drunk drivers or other reckless drivers.

Ditto.  Have a nice day.


text:
"Jo Baggs" <[email]> writes:

Around here I figure that the winner is generally in the eye of the
beholder. I tend to settle for getting my evidence clearly out there
then letting readers make up their own mind. Posters tend to already
seem to know what they think. (-:

Mark


text:
Jo Baggs wrote:
----------
Nah, he just wears you down.
That's his game.
Either that or he confuses you so much you forget
what it was all about. The old dodge and ploy.
Nobody ever wins, the opponent just dies. :-)


text:
On 3/29/2010 5:00 AM, Jo Baggs wrote:

Don't let Grampa get you all riled up, Jo.

I consider our exchanges equitable, even when you are completely
unreasonable and intransigent when dealing with Islam. ;)


text:
Mike wrote:
------------------
Yeah, Jo, don't get all riled up less you decide
that riding his bullshit stallion isn't worth the
trouble and not bother saddling up any longer. He
wouldn't want that. Most everyone else has given up
a long time ago. I can hear him whispering to
himself, ï¿½Stay with me, Baggs, stay with me. Don't
leave. I don't wanta be all alone. Wah!ï¿½

And remember, if he doesn't know what ï¿½medianï¿½
means, he probably doesn't know what ï¿½equitableï¿½
means either.:-)


author: Kurt Nicklas

subject: #Obama's College Classmate: ‘The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia’

text:
Obama's College Classmate: ‘The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia’
 Greg Hengler
Blogger, Townhall.com

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/greghengler/2012/08/06/obamas_college_classmate_the_obama_scandal_is_at_columbia

Normally I don't give a rip about the "I know something you don't know
about Obama" story, but this one is absolutely fascinating. Wayne Root
over at the Blaze penned this beauty. Here's a how he concludes:

Why are the college records, of a 51-year-old President of the United
States, so important to keep secret? I think I know the answer.

If anyone should have questions about Obama’s record at Columbia
University, it’s me. We both graduated (according to Obama) Columbia
University, Class of ’83. We were both (according to Obama) Pre-Law
and Political Science majors. And I thought I knew most everyone at
Columbia. I certainly thought I’d heard of all of my fellow Political
Science majors. But not Obama (or as he was known then- Barry
Soetoro). I never met him. Never saw him. Never even heard of him. And
none of the classmates that I knew at Columbia has ever met him, saw
him, or heard of him.

But don’t take my word for it. The Wall Street Journal reported in
2008 that Fox News randomly called 400 of our Columbia classmates and
never found one who had ever met Obama.

Now all of this mystery could be easily and instantly dismissed if
Obama released his Columbia transcripts to the media. But even after
serving as President for 3 1/2 years he refuses to unseal his college
records. Shouldn’t the media be as relentless in pursuit of Obama’s
records as Romney’s? Shouldn’t they be digging into Obama’s past–
beyond what he has written about himself–with the same boundless
enthusiasm as Mitt’s?

The first question I’d ask is, if you had great grades, why would you
seal your records? So let’s assume Obama got poor grades. Why not
release the records? He’s President of the free world, for gosh sakes.
He’s commander-in-chief of the U.S. military. Who’d care about some
poor grades from three decades ago, right? So then what’s the problem?
Doesn’t that make the media suspicious? Something doesn’t add up.

Secondly, if he had poor grades at Occidental, how did he get admitted
to an Ivy League university in the first place? And if his grades at
Columbia were awful, how’d he ever get into Harvard Law School? So
again those grades must have been great, right? So why spend millions
to keep them sealed?

Third, how did Obama pay for all these fancy schools without coming
from a wealthy background? If he had student loans or scholarships,
would he not have to maintain good grades?

I can only think of one answer that would explain this mystery.

Here’s my gut belief: Obama got a leg up by being admitted to both
Occidental and Columbia as a foreign exchange student. He was raised
as a young boy in Indonesia. But did his mother ever change him back
to a U.S. citizen? When he returned to live with his grandparents in
Hawaii or as he neared college-age preparing to apply to schools, did
he ever change his citizenship back? I’m betting not.

If you could unseal Obama’s Columbia University records I believe
you’d find that:

A)   He rarely ever attended class.

B)   His grades were not those typical of what we understand it takes
to get into Harvard Law School.

C)   He attended Columbia as a foreign exchange student.

D)   He paid little for either undergraduate college or Harvard Law
School because of foreign aid and scholarships given to a poor foreign
students like this kid Barry Soetoro from Indonesia.

If you think I’m “fishing” then prove me wrong. Open up your records
Mr. President. What are you afraid of?

If it’s okay for U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to go on a
fishing expedition about Romney’s taxes (even though he knows
absolutely nothing about them nor will release his own), then I think
I can do the same thing. But as Obama’s Columbia Class of ’83
classmate, at least I have more standing to make educated guesses.

It’s time for Mitt to go on the attack and call Obama’s bluff.


author: Mike Lovell

subject:
Re: Theists taking America into a new Dark Age (Re: #Obama's
 College Classmate: ?The Obama Scandal  Is at Columbia?)

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On 2012-08-13, SaPeIsMa <[email]> wrote:

Currency goes up, currency goes down.  That won't destroy Europe, even
the loss of the Euro.

Your predictions of apocalypse are typically Christian.

And they typically don't happen.

It's not going to happen.  For ID purposes, maybe.  But not like the
French ban.

Who are these pinkies you keep referring to?  And I don't care what the
Democrats have been doing.

I know exactly what the Constitution says.  Again, available on line.

I guess you'll be claiming various "correct" interpretations that fit
your bias.

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On 2012-08-13, SaPeIsMa <[email]> wrote:

Ah I see, so more failure to cite and back up my "misquoting".

Lying again.

There's no projection there.  You are anti-Muslim.  Would you like some
quotes of your own words in the face of this denial?

I'm not a socialist, and I have no religion.

Simple.

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On 2012-08-13, SaPeIsMa <[email]> wrote:

No it's not actually.  The US is down, Europe is down.  They will bounce
back, and Europe will return to being a larger economy than the US.

Sorry if the facts don't fit your bias.

Thank you, I did indeed.

Wear a burqa in public.

The First Amendment is under attack, as always, by theists.  America
haters.

By demanding the Constitution be respected and not pissed on by theists?
Yes of course.  Thank you, I'll keep saving your ass.

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On 2012-08-13, SaPeIsMa <[email]> wrote:

Sorry, are you hear to defend yourself again being "misquoted" or
talk about the Muslim filth again?

The big problem is you are anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim - No use
retracting it now.

Christianity, religion of love!  LOL

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On 2012-08-13, Gray Guest <[email]> wrote:

No misquoting going on.  He has a bigoted fear of the Muslim *filth*
coming into America.

Yes, I do look smug over this one.

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On 2012-08-13, SaPeIsMa <[email]> wrote:

That's strange because, before the downturn at least.  If Europe was
considered a single economy it was the largest in the world.

It exceeded the US ;-)

I have thanks, I used to live very close.

There's no denial there.  Secular nations must be careful.

This is why you can still do these things in the US.

The pinkies??   I'm talking about inserting God into things, allowing
religion to be pushed by the government.

Way to trail-blaze for the Muslims and piss on the constitution.

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On 2012-08-13, SaPeIsMa <[email]> wrote:

Is that all you have to say on your bigoted attitude that led to signs
like that?

Nope, I'm not a Democrat.

Nah that's okay.

Well I'm not a Democrat so I'm fine then.

I'm more of a Libertarian.  I'd not vote for Obama or Romney.

Teaching your kids Gaelic?  Yep, that would qualify for idiocy.

No, people like you, you've made it clear your disdain for immigrants.

Ones different form yourself.

Well you want to slam the door on Muslims.  Yet your crazy theist ass is
over here.

What *filth* is coming over to the US?  Clarify your own hate statement.

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On 2012-08-13, SaPeIsMa <[email]> wrote:

Which doesn't negate anything.  Negation would be saying the opposite.

No, but you confirmed what I thought.  No cite, lying to my face.

Yep that's the dance I'm talking about.  No negation there.

I'll await your apology.

Nah you're alright, can you print it out and send it to me?  I'm out of
toilet roll.

We're not talking about the minority of immigrants are we.  The majority
of Irish immigrants and totally integrated.

They celebrate being "Irish" (which they are not of course) once a year.

If it's such a sparsely spoken language them yep, idiots.

Waste of time and effort.  Teach them something useful.

A genius?

Concession noted.

Concession noted.

Not at all.  The break through of the black middle class is happening
right now.

They've been up against the wall, guys like you, but breaking through.

http://commons.trincoll.edu/aris/

pinkies?

No idea what a pinkie is.  But do I like people pissing on the
constitution, no - Do you?

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author: SkyEyes

subject: Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ‘The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia’

text:
On Aug 9, 8:42 pm, Milt <[email]> wrote:

Milt, you're a Wildcat?  UA Alum?  Me too!

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes [email] OR
skyeyes [email]


author: Milt

text:
On Aug 11, 3:01 pm, Steve <[email]> wrote:

I don't post much. I'm certainly not as obsessed as you are.


text:
On Aug 11, 6:45 pm, Steve <[email]> wrote:

Wow, that's some projection by someone who spends copious amounts of
time stalking people who disagree with him.

As for getting my ass kicked, it's never really happened on here. And
certainly not by you.


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On 2012-08-10, SaPeIsMa <[email]> wrote:

Great, show me what I said and where I negated it.

This where you find that I didn't, so ask me to look it up, tell me I'm
too stupid to look up the thread blah-blah

Basically *anything* to draw attention away from your inability to cite.

Right, now do the above dance for me.

Oh yes of course, I forgot about arguing on the Internet.

Yes, yes I'm sure they do.  I'm sure they all people or Irish descent
teach their children Gaelic!  Only a minority speak it in Ireland even.

Not that I believe you're telling the truth but if they did they're in
the minority, and idiots.

More debating skills shown here.

And again, brilliant.

There's no need, I already know about it.

Like I said, they are still integrating and it's only just now that
integration is going nicely.

Irreligion is growing faster than any religion there, and in the United
States.

So *any* religion.  Even your bogeyman, Islam!

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On 2012-08-11, Gray Guest <[email]> wrote:

You consider not having bigoted fear of immigrants and a xenophobic
attitude stupid?

Sorry about that... Remember the signs put up by the "intelligent"
people like yourself...

	"No blacks, dogs or Irishmen"

I'm pretty proud not to be like you thanks :-)

Want?  In a lot of cases it was to avoid starving to death, and they
kept their culture for a long time.

Most of them were hated when they arrive by petty minded individuals
like yourself.

But now you're in America - It's "Right, doors closed, everyone else can
fuck off".

BTW what *filth* is that then?

Is this another example of Christian love?

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subject: Re: Theists taking America into a new Dark Age (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: The Obama Scandal  Is atColumbia)

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On 2012-08-11, Gray Guest <[email]> wrote:

No more on average that anywhere else, there was a global recession if
you recall?

There's no Muslim occupation.  And you want to look at the reaction to
the perception there is.

You can't wear a burqa in France, you'd be arrested and fined.  You can
in the United States.

The problem in the US is the more the Christians piss on the
Constitution, the more the set precedent for others to do so.

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On 2012-08-10, SaPeIsMa <[email]> wrote:

It never does.

Pretty sure they did.

Yes, usually once a year ;-)  Basically they're about as Irish as
Antonio Banderas.

Fully integrated.

Some might *think* they're Irish but a quick trip to Ireland and telling
this to the locals usually results in a sharp correction.

Not enough time has passed.  Black people are still integrating, that's
only just started progressing nicely.  And there's still work to go.

Nope, even with immigration irreligion is growing in Europe.  Religion
is dying, all religions, right there.

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The Irish were hated by the existing population, who did everything they
could to keep them in ghettos and prevent integration.

It took a few generations for integration to occur.

This will happen with Muslims.

These days, Europe is where religions come to die! :-)  Islam will die
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author: 3109 Dead

text:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:24:12 -0700, Milt wrote:

Shrug.  Maybe twenty.


text:
On Aug 10, 1:08 am, 3109 Dead <[email]> wrote:

Naw. This is recreation for me. I couldn't give a shit what any of
them think. How many people read any of these posts? Six? Seven?


text:
On Aug 9, 9:24 pm, Kurt Nicklas <[email]> wrote:

Grades aren't the only consideration. In fact, if you ace the LSAT and
have a hell of a CV, you can probably get in with straight Cs.

Grade transcripts don't usually contain that info, for a really good
reason; most profs don't take roll. There were a few classes I only
attended for quizzes and tests.

Well, now you're just getting silly.

There's no biographical info in a grade transcript.

He explains it in his memoir. Have you read it? And Columbia College
is in NYC, and there are tens of thousands of students. I went to
classes with half the University of Arizona NCAA championship softball
team, but I couldn't name anyone else from the same class. If he was
quiet and sat in the back and just studied by himself, why would
anyone remember 30 years later?

Because no one gives a shit. They're irrelevant.

Nope. I don't care what grades either of them got in Chemistry back in
the old days. I do care about they're patterns of making money and
paying taxes.


text:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:42:41 -0700, Milt wrote:

Knickers is doing his meaningless rants about Obama's grades because he
doesn't want to talk about Mitten's tax returns and he's doing a good job
of deflecting you, too.


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On 2012-08-10, Gray Guest <[email]> wrote:

The US is a great secular power of the West, the greatest in fact.

Europe is ahead on the atheists though, and where religion dies,
quality of life increases.

You want to explain your sarcastic comment?

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On 2012-08-10, SaPeIsMa <[email]> wrote:

It's not up now is it!  Geeez!

Snip crap.

Neither is true but Europe being morally bankrupt?  Ridiculous.

And only a fool would assume this trend will continue indefinitely.

The poor immigrants have more children, everywhere, it's a trend.  Then
when they become less poor, couple of generations they start reproducing
at a slower rate.

Then another minority comes along and you go into "Chicken little" mode
I would guess.

They said the same about the Irish coming to America.

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text:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:24:35 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:

But he DID pay his taxes, right?


subject: Re: Atheist means NOT A THEIST (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ‘The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia’)

text:
On Aug 9, 9:38 am, 3109 Dead <[email]> wrote:

Wow, did pull a hammy stretching that far?

I have absolutely no problem with anyone's belief systems or lack of
same. I only object to attempts to indoctrinate others, and absolutist
claims of knowledge by anyone.

You know, given that I mentioned no names and gave no examples, you
sure did jerk that knee fast.


subject: Re: Atheist means NOT A THEIST (Re: #Obama's College Classmate:‘The Obama Scandal Is atColumbia’)

text:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:49:17 -0700, Milt wrote:

Yes, yes, and while most black people are members of the New Black
Panther Party, you want to obsessively talk about that, because you
aren't a bigot, right?


subject: Re: God gets the credit for everything good, but none of the blame! (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ‘The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia’)

text:
On Aug 8, 10:58 pm, BroilJAB <[email]> wrote:

Yeah, because all of that had something to do with Snopes.

If you can be so "offended" by what others believe, perhaps you need a
hobby. Stamps can be fun.


subject: Re: Theists taking America into a new Dark Age (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ‘The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia’)

text:
On Aug 8, 11:37 pm, Mike Lovell <[email]> wrote:
Yeah, you do that. Meanwhile, I'm going to live my life.


text:
On Aug 9, 2:33 am, duke <[email]> wrote:

Depends on the atheist. MOST atheists simply don't believe in a deity.
But there's a smallish group of loud, obnoxious atheists who seem to
think they KNOW there is no deity, that a deity is not possible.
They're not content with simply not believing in a deity. They have to
ridicule those who have a belief, and they try to push their atheism
on everyone they see. I call them "evangelical atheists" and they're
just as obnoxious as any other evangelical.


author: Jahnu

subject: Atheism, the only way for the intelligent (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ‘The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia’)

text:
3109 Dead <[email]> wrote:

The only position that leaves me with no cognitive dissonance is
atheism. It is not a creed. Death is certain, replacing both the
siren-song of Paradise and the dread of Hell. Life on this earth, with
all its mystery and beauty and pain, is then to be lived far more
intensely: we stumble and get up, we are sad, confident, insecure, feel
loneliness and joy and love. There is nothing more; but I want nothing
more.


author: Zacharias Mulletstein

subject: Fighting evil for God, or just killing people? (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ‘The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia’)

text:
3109 Dead <[email]> wrote:

Sampson Kanderayi, a mass murderer called The Ax Killer, killed more
than 30 people. The newspaper reported "he did it to appease evil
spirits." He was a Christian


author: duke

subject: Atheist means NOT A THEIST (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ‘The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia’)

text:
3109 Dead <[email]> wrote:

If you look up "atheism" in the dictionary, you will probably
find it defined as the belief that there is no God. Certainly
many people understand atheism in this way. Yet many atheists
do not, and this is not what the term means if one considers it
from the point of view of its Greek roots. In Greek "a" means
"without" or "not" and "theos" means "god." From this standpoint
an atheist would simply be someone without a belief in God, not
necessarily someone who believes that God does not exist. According
to its Greek roots, then, atheism is a negative view, characterized
by the absence of belief in God.


subject: Catholic torture (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ?The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia?)

text:
3109 Dead <[email]> wrote:

The Medieval Inquisition is a series of Inquisitions (Roman Catholic
Church bodies charged with suppressing heresy) from around 1184,
including the Episcopal Inquisition (1184-1230s) and later the Papal
Inquisition (1230s). It was in response to large popular movements
throughout Europe considered apostate or heretical to Christianity, in
particular Catharism and Waldensians in southern France and northern
Italy. These were the first inquisition movements of many that would
follow.

Torture was used after 1252. On May 15, Pope Innocent IV issued a papal
bull entitled Ad exstirpanda, which authorized the use of torture by
inquisitors. The Inquisitors were forbidden to use methods that resulted
in bloodshed, mutilation or death. One of the more common forms of
medieval inquisition torture was known as strappado. The hands were
bound behind the back with a rope, and the accused was suspended this
way, dislocating the joints painfully in both arms. Weights could be
added to the legs dislocating those joints as well.

The organization is still active today under the name of the
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Prior to becoming Pope
Benedict XVI, Cardinal Ratzinger was the head of the congregation.


text:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:04:41 -0700, Milt wrote:

The man's far too stupid for that.


subject: Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ?The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia?

text:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:38:54 -0500, Free Lunch wrote:

He's whimpering in fear.  Romney has dropped five points in the polls.
This tax thing is killing him.  They are throwing all the straw they can
in order to distract.


text:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:38:39 -0700, Syd M. wrote:

Never even heard of the asshole.  He's big on self-promotion though, I
see that.


text:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 03:05:44 +0000, Burning Peppers wrote:

It would be interesting if he faithfully tithed, but screwed the US up
one side and down the other.  That would show where his true loyalties
lay.


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On 2012-08-09, Gray Guest <[email]> wrote:

Not going to happen, not against the great *secular* powers of the West.

We need to fight all theists pushing their crap onto society.

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On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:41:48 -0700, Syd M. wrote:

These poor dumb bastards are frantic to arm wave the subject away from
the fact that Romney won't reveal his taxes.

He's lost five points in the polls this past week and is scoring minus
ten in favorabilities.  This is killing him, and these stooges know it.


author: Patrick

subject: Theists taking America into a new Dark Age (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ‘The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia’)

text:
"Syd M." <[email]> wrote:

Religion claims that immorality always springs from a lack of religion,
but the facts prove just the opposite. Christianity has never been
stronger than it is today, Christians have churches in every community,
they monopolize radio and television time with religious propaganda,
they have forced their religion into our government, our laws, and into
our schools. They have done these things against the Constitution of the
United States, and against the most basic and sacred rights of all other
Americans. Like a sinking ship, with water rushing in and filling every
compartment where it was not supposed to be, so religion has attacked
our nation, rushed in where it was not supposed to be, where it has no
business to be, silencing all opposition, all opposing views, poisoning
the wells of our knowledge, and endangering the very roots of our
nation.

Christianity is that strong today, and yet we have not achieved any
respectable amount of morality in this country. Nowhere is the failure
of Christian morality more evident than in America. During the same time
that Christianity has been growing ever stronger and ever richer, over
the past thirty years or so, the use of harmful drugs has became a
national scandal, the crime rate has been climbing ever higher and ever
faster, the divorce rate has skyrocketed, and during that time our
nation has been embroiled in more wars and international conflicts than
in any other similar time period in its history. During that time, our
nation was also getting its 5000 or so weird religious cults, a
byproduct of Christian indoctrination. Right to-day we have the highest
narcotics abuse rate, the highest crime rate, the highest divorce rate,
and the highest 'religion rate' that we have ever had in the history of
this nation. What does Christianity say about these facts and how to
cure them? They tell us we need more religion and they are determined to
force it upon us. Christianity feels so strong today that it is moving
into politics to try to force its failing morality upon every American
through a Christian Dictatorship and a new Dark Age.


author: BroilJAB

subject: God gets the credit for everything good, but none of the blame! (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ‘The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia’)

text:
Milt <[email]> wrote:

It offends me that an invisible god is given credit for every good thing
that happens in the world, while every evil is blamed on humanity. There
is much evil in the world that is not the fault of human beings, such as
ignorance and disease and droughts, and most of the things that are good
are entirely the product of human love, effort or genius, such as
friendship and vaccines and even irrigation pipes.

Not all human beings are evil. We all possess great potential for good.
Yet a god could do so much good in the world that is not being done,
such as warning innocent children when to stay away from danger, or
preventing too many people from being born, or turning all the weapons
in the world into flowers. Surely a loving god would do these things,
and more, just as any wise and compassionate human being would if they
had the means.

And so, when a doctor saves someone's life, we truly owe our thanks to
the doctor, and the society that made her education possible. It is
insulting to both when a god is thanked for something that he could have
done himself but didn't. If a loving god really existed, we would not
need doctors in the first place.


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On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:05:05 -0700, Jason wrote:

...Just please, please, please don't talk about Romney's tax records!


text:
On Aug 8, 8:38 pm, "Syd M." <[email]> wrote:

Snopes is propaanda? Wow.


author: Syd M.

text:
On Aug 7, 10:11 pm, "betweentheeyes"
<[email]> wrote:

Only to right-wingers.


text:
On Aug 8, 6:30 pm, [email] (Jason) wrote:

No.
Don't visit propaganda sites.


text:
On Aug 8, 7:42 pm, Gray Guest <[email]> wrote:

Dream on, loser.


text:
On Aug 8, 8:43 pm, [email] (Jason) wrote:

Ah, suddenly the birther lie is revealed.
He is an AMERICAN, Jason. And no whining from you bigots will change
that,


text:
On Aug 8, 7:16 pm, 3109 Dead <[email]> wrote:

He got that argument from Fox. They've been pimping that all day.
Surely you don't think he came up with that himself... :)


text:
On Aug 7, 9:17 pm, 3109 Dead <[email]> wrote:

Hopefully right after President Soetoro releases his academic records.

What is he hiding, Pampers?


text:
On Aug 7, 6:16 pm, Kurt Nicklas <[email]> wrote:

Yeah, sure. What a great idea. Bring up Obama's college grades and get
yet another call for tax returns. You're just one hell of a
strategist, Knickers.

BTW, this story is four years old. It's not new, and it has nothing to
do with Obama's qualifications as president. More importantly, that
you believe that ANYONE has seen Obama's grades and knows what's in
them just makes you one of the most gullible morons in the world. But
then, that's why you're a Republican.


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On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:13:09 -0700, Milt wrote:

obamas_college_cl...

And Scopes already debunked the whole story a few years ago, which
someone was kind enough to post a link to here.

So now he's trying to claim an ad says Romney killed someone's wife.  It
doesn't but Knickers never let a good lie slow him down.  In fact, it
encourages him.


text:
On Aug 8, 6:30 pm, [email] (Jason) wrote:

You socialist. :)


author: Carl Kaufmann

text:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
<lossy compression>

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/columbia.asp


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On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:00:28 -0400, Carl Kaufmann wrote:

Knickers will be back next week to claim that Obama killed Vince Foster
and raped Juanita Broadderick.


text:
On Aug 7, 6:16 pm, Kurt Nicklas <[email]> wrote:

Don't you love the smell of right-wing desperation?


text:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:38:35 -0400, BDK wrote:

So when is Mittens going to release his tax records?

They'll probably destroy him, you know.

obamas_college_classmate_the_obama_scandal_is_at_columbia


author: BDK

text:
In article <63474255-584b-46bb-8f30-9233a25b26a8
@d8g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, [email] says...

Wow, the flopsweat from you idiots is visible over usenet.

--
BDK- Head FUD-Master Blaster.


author: SaPeIsMa

subject: Re: Theists taking America into a new Dark Age (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ?The Obama Scandal  Is at Columbia?)

text:
"Mike Lovell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

The Euro is on the verge of falling apart
Any more unproductive socialist countries like Greece going for a bailout
will blow the EU out of the water.

I doubt for long
We've already had issues with women who wanted to wear a veil for a driver's
license

Try again
But stupid and ignorant rhetoric is par for the course
Ironically just about all the Freedoms in the Bill of Rights are under
attack
And pinkies have no problems trying to silence and disenfranchise citizens
    Hell, the Democrats have over 150 years of history doing EXACTLY that.

Since you're clueless about what the Constitution says, you're in no
position to demand anything
Your approach is as ignorant for the Constitution as it is to religion in
general


text:
"Mike Lovell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Nah !'
I leave to you BOTH practices
    of misquoting people and talk about muslim filth
You do it so well.

There you go making stupid and ignorant projections
    But then, that's par for the course with you
You make stupid presumptions and then build strawman arguments to accuse
others with..
    Typical sleazy and dishonest tactic

Socialism, the religion of stupidity


text:
"Mike Lovell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

He's got your number down to a "T"


text:
"Mike Lovell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
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And now it's swirling in the bowl

Sure you did.

What things are those ?

Moron
God was "inserted" in to things from the get-go
It's liars like you who claim otherwise.

Indeed.
You are doing a good job.


text:
"Mike Lovell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

You went from they created their ghettos to
    Pretty sure they did

Is that what you're doing above ?

What dance is that ?
You're the one going from they made their own ghettos, to "pretty sure they
did"
You should have NO PROBLEMS proving that the Irish created their own ghettos

How could you forget what you don't know ?
Start here
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario/a-tongue-twisting-labour-of-love-in-canadas-gaelic-speaking-community/article2152770/page1/

You're right it's a minority
In what way does that disprove what I wrote ?

Never claimed they were majority
And it shows your stupid arrogance to claim they're idiots
There are many cultures that strive to teach their kids their ancestral
language
I also know someone who is 3rd generation of Hungarian descent
She spoke Hungarian before she spoke English or French
She also married a Persian
    They learned the others native tongue and taught it to their kids
Their children were raised in Farsi, Hungarian, English and French.
And are fluent in all 4.
Whether their children will continue depends on many factors.

And considering is a well-known economist and she's an engineer, only
something like you would rate them as "idiots"

Guess what that makes you ?

Just responding to your white noise

More white noise

Have you looked at the increase of poverty, single mother, absent father,
number of blacks in jail unemployment , etc of the black community, over the
last 40 years, since the Democrats brought in the "Great Society, and more
than doubled the welfare rolls in one year, and have kept adding to it for
the next 40 ?
 The clear evidence social breakdown of the black community ?

Are you out of your fucking ignorant mind ?

Feel free to support that claim

Funny though how the pinkies are deadly afraid of the increased activism of
Christians in the US
    Their knickers are so full, they squelch when the walk..

Does that describe you too ?


text:
"Mike Lovell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

So it still pisses you off that dogs were bared ?

I would suspect you call yourself a progressive and vote pretty straight
Democrat
    Maybe you should read up on the LONG ABUSIVE history of Democrats when
it comes to racism and discrimination, and general thuggery to promote
exactly that

The only people who would call themselves "Democrat" today are the ignorant
and those with no shame.

Some still have their culture today
And in another post, you called those people idiots

Yes
Typically "Democrats" who have a LONG history of discrimination both past
and current.

Only in your bigoted fantasies
But hey, it's a free country

More like "Democrat" love
Too bad you're too ignorant to know the difference


author: Gray Guest

text:
Mike Lovell <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

I consider misquoting someone to try and make points stupid.

1) Misquote your opponent.
2) Claim that's what he really said.
3) Argue against what you claim he said.
4) Look smug.

--
Refusenik #1


text:
"Mike Lovell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

They were ahead on both  even before the recession

Go visit France, Paris and Marseilles are 2 eye-openers
    And then look up the meaning of "tournante"

That's because the French have finally woken up to the problem and are
slowly starting to address it
Other Euro countries are still in full denial

The only ones pissing on the constitution are the pinkies
But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your bigotry


text:
"Mike Lovell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

You just negated your earlier claim
    You're too fucking stupid to even keep track of what you post

More ignorant presumption as usual

The ones I know speak Gaelic, and taught their children too.

blah, blah, blah..

blah, blah, blah..

If blacks aren't properly integrated, then it's due to all the actions of
the Democrats, and their thugs the KKK.  since the Civil War
You should read up on that

That depends on which religion your blubbering about
    But hey, we've already established that you're generally ignorant and
operate outside of reality


text:
"Mike Lovell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

1)    It didn't work too well, since the Irish spread out all over the
country
2)    The Irish, unlike the muslim in Europe did NOT create their own
ghettos and try to keep everyone else out

I know of Americans of Irish descent who are still fiercely proud of their
background AND SHOW IT, even though they qualify as patriotic Americans by
any standard

Hasn't happened in Europe, where they have built their own ghettos and can
be even violent to any who dare enter
    Read up on various muslim suburbs across Europe

Funny how the opposite is true


subject: Re: Theists taking America into a new Dark Age (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: The Obama Scandal  Is at Columbia)

text:
Mike Lovell <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

West.

Europe seems to be ahead on Muslim occupation and financial disaster.

If you don't understand that perhaps you shouldn't be playing with the
adults.

--
Refusenik #1


text:
"Mike Lovell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

Obviously, you  never had a chance to go behind the Iron Curtain when it was
still up ?
That was a place where religion was being suppressed if no outright killed
And t was such a wonderful place for quality of life
    NOT !

And as for the "great secular powers of the West", particularly those Euro
ones
They are both financially and morally bankrupt
Their societies are aging so fast that some of them will disappear in a few
generations
And the muslims who are sliding in to take over the place are reproducing
like rabbits
The odds are than within a few generations Europe will be a Caliphate


text:
Mike Lovell <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

If you are so stupid as to want to ignore it that is your affair. some
people choose not to.

And the Italians? What of it?

The Irish and the Italians WANTED to be become Americans, to learn the
langauge, live the life, benefit form the system. Not exactly what the
filth moving in here now wants is it? They want to change the system to
meet thier demands. You might understand that some might resent that.

--
Refusenik #1


text:
"Mike Lovell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

The difference between the Irish in American and the muslim in Europe is
that the Irish could and did integrate
In Europe the muslim are NOT integrating, instead they are creating enclaves
from which the are spreading out and pushing out the Euros
It's akin to a cancer starting to spread all over the place and replacing it
with their brand of poison


subject: Re: Fighting evil for God, or just killing people? (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ʽThe Obama Scandal Is at Columbiaʼ)

text:
"Zacharias Mulletstein" <[email]> wrote
in message news:[email]...

SO you're claiming that it was BECAUSE he was Christian and not because he
was mentally ill that he killed those people
Are you really this stupid ?

Oh wait..
    Yes you are...


author: Scout

subject: Re: Atheist means NOT A THEIST (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ?The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia')

text:
"duke" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...

'without god' doesn't suggest that God(s) do not exist?

'not god' doesn't suggest that God(s) do no exist?

I think it does.

According


text:
Mike Lovell <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

Yeah, Europe is doing a bangup job on the front lines.

--
Refusenik #1


subject: Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ‘The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia’

text:
On Aug 8, 7:17 pm, Milt <[email]> wrote:

That his grades overall were far from good enough to get into Harvard
Law?

That he rarely attended class?

That he attended Occidental and Columbia as a foreign student named
Barry
Soetoro?

That there is other biographical data difficult to fit into his
official life story?

Why doesn't anyone seem to remember him at Columbia?

If his grades were so stellar then why not reveal them?
Why is it necessary to go to such lengths to hide the "fabulous"
grades you
think he got?

Heck, he won't release his records and he and his flunkies won't even
say
WHY they won't release them!

Of course, if you'd rather his records not be released because there's
embarrassing stuff
in them we could just drop the demand and concentrate on making him
defend his miserable
record as president. And, of course, it's his inability to defend that
record that's behind the whining about Mitt's
taxes.

So, Milt, how about it? Barry's academic records for Mitt's tax
returns. Fair enough?

---
As a side light,  in 2004, John Kerry withheld his transcripts while
he championed himself as some great liberal intellectual.
After he lost, his Yale transcripts were made available,
and lo and behold, he actually had marginally WORSE grades at Yale
than did Bush.


author: Jason

text:
In article <jvu5va$1cm$[email]>, Carl Kaufmann
<[email]> wrote:

Also visit this site:

rootforamerica.com


author: Burning Peppers

text:
3109 Dead <[email]> wrote:

Not 9only put the Christian Republican in prison but also get him in
trouble with his cult masters for not paying his 10% cult fee.


text:
3109 Dead <[email]> wrote in news:jvsenv$7kk$[email]:

Right after Obama releases his college records, passport records, the F&F
documents and an explanation as to the unusual nature of his SSN.

They'll probably destroy him, you know.

--
Refusenik #1


text:
"SaPeIsMa" <[email]> wrote in news:k0b3r4$48n$[email]:

They are so predictable.

--
Refusenik #1


author: Scientology FTW!

text:
"SaPeIsMa" <[email]> wrote:

We have the same phenomena with Christanics in the United States, refusing
to integrate so profoundly that they oppose the teaching of science in the
public school rooms, refuse to get their children innoculated against
diseases, no end of lunatic insanity from the cultists.

In all respects the adherants of Christianity is equal to those of Islam.


text:
On Aug 11, 7:32 pm, Steve <[email]> wrote:

Now, THAT is a lie, One Flipper.


author: Samuel Harrigon

subject: Irrational theists (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ?The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia?)

text:
[email] (Burning Peppers) wrote:

Now, what accounts for this resurgence of irrationalism in America?
Well, there are undoubtedly many factors involved, but certainly one of
the most significant is the inability or unwillingness on the part of
many, many people to reason well. Most people do not know how to think
critically beyond a very rudimentary level. America, for all of its
stress on technology and science, continues to produce an abundant crop
of intellectual vegetables who neither care about what is true nor even
if they did, how to go about ascertaining what is true. So make no
mistake about it: you are born with the capacity to reason, but you are
not born with the skill to scare? To reason. Proper reasoning must be
learned and practiced. Even with the proper guidance, it can take years
for to ingrain proper reasoning habits, to the point where they become
second-nature.


subject: The Bible - Pro ethnic cleansing, slavery and massacre (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ?The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia?)

text:
[email] (Burning Peppers) wrote:

The Bible may, indeed does, contain a warrant for trafficking in humans,
for ethnic cleansing, for slavery, for bride-price, and for
indiscriminate massacre, but we are not bound by any of it because it
was put together by crude, uncultured human mammals.


author: Joe Bruno

subject: The problem with theists, moving the "God goalposts" (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ?The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia?)

text:
Gray Guest <[email]> wrote:

One of the most common pastimes in philosophical discussion is
"the redefinition game." The cynical view of this game is as
follows:

Person A begins by making a contentious statement. When person B
points out that it can't be true, person A gradually redefines
the words he used in the statement until he arrives at something
person B is prepared to accept. He then records the statement,
along with the fact that person B has agreed to it, and continues.
Eventually A uses the statement as an "agreed fact," but uses his
original definitions of all the words in it rather than the obscure
redefinitions originally needed to get B to agree to it. Rather
than be seen to be apparently inconsistent, B will tend to play along.

The point of this digression is that the answer to the question
"Isn't atheism a religious belief?" depends crucially upon what is
meant by "religious." "Religion" is generally characterized by belief in
a superhuman controlling power--especially in some sort of God--and
by faith and worship.

(It's worth pointing out in passing that some varieties of Buddhism
are not "religion" according to such a definition.)

Atheism is certainly not a belief in any sort of superhuman power,
nor is it categorized by worship in any meaningful sense. Widening
the definition of "religious" to encompass atheism tends to result
in many other aspects of human behavior suddenly becoming classed as
"religious" as well--such as science, politics, and watching TV.


text:
In article <XnsA0A9C876F2749Wereofftoseethewizrd@88.198.244.100>, Gray
Guest <[email]> wrote:

The main reason that Obama refuses to release those records is probably
due to those records clearly showing that he was a foreign exchange
student. Everyone knows that being a foreign exchange student is an easy
way to get into colleges like Columbia.


subject: Theists can't understand what atheism means (Re: #Obama's College Classmate: ?The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia?)

text:
[email] (Jason) wrote:

It is an unfortunate human tendency to label everyone as either "for" or
"against," "friend" or "enemy." The truth is not so clear-cut.

Atheism is the position that runs logically counter to theism; in that
sense, it can be said to be "antireligion." However, when religious
believers speak of atheists being "antireligious" they usually mean that
the atheists have some sort of antipathy or hatred towards theists.

This categorization of atheists as hostile towards religion is quite
unfair. Atheist attitudes towards theists in fact cover a broad
spectrum.

Most atheists take a "live and let live" attitude. Unless questioned,
they will not usually mention their atheism, except perhaps to close
friends. Of course, this may be in part because atheism is not "socially
acceptable" in many countries.

A few atheists are quite antireligious, and may even try to "convert"
others when possible. Historically, such antireligious atheists have
made little impact on society outside the Eastern Bloc countries.

(To digress slightly: the Soviet Union was originally dedicated to
separation of church and state, just like the USA. Soviet citizens were
legally free to worship as they wished. The institution of "state
atheism" came about when Stalin took control of the Soviet Union and
tried to destroy the churches in order to gain complete power over the
population.)

Some atheists are quite vocal about their beliefs, but only where they
see religion encroaching on matters which are not its business--for
example, the government of the USA. Such individuals are usually
concerned that church and state should remain separate.


author: Free Lunch

text:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:43:37 -0700, [email] (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

You are completely ignorant. Really, totally ignorant. An evil, lying
fool.


text:
Free Lunch <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:

Actually it looks as if he changed nationality in Indonesia and then didn't
change it back when he moved back here.

Probaly because
1) it was more hip to be from Indonesia.
2) He hates America so wjy not reject it's citizenship.
3) It was a cheat way to get into and financial aide ofr college.

Frankly there ain't a thing in there that doesn't sound like a typical
scumbag lib.

But if you can show us where his collge records or passport records so we
can review them...

--
Refusenik #1


text:
In article <[email]>, Free Lunch
<[email]> wrote:

OK--provide the URL of a site that has Obama's college records and
passport records. Did you know that Obama's Social Security Number is
actually someone else's social security number? It was not released to
anyone that lived in Hawaii.


text:
In article <XnsA0A9E268B56CCWereofftoseethewizrd@88.198.244.100>, Gray
Guest <[email]> wrote:

Thanks for an excellent post that is 100% correct. It's the best post that
I have read today.


text:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:05:05 -0700, [email] (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

Why would anyone provide such information to have criminals use that to
steal from them? You are a completely ignorant fool. You are a racist.


text:
[email] (Jason) wrote in
news:[email]:

Thank you.

--
Refusenik #1


text:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:15:21 -0700, [email] (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

You are easily misled.


text:
Free Lunch <[email]> wrote:

Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence
of gods. This absence of belief generally comes about either through
deliberate choice, or from an inherent inability to believe religious
teachings which seem literally incredible. It is not a lack of belief
born out of simple ignorance of religious teachings.

Some atheists go beyond a mere absence of belief in gods: they actively
believe that particular gods, or all gods, do not exist. Just lacking
belief in Gods is often referred to as the "weak atheist" position;
whereas believing that gods do not (or cannot) exist is known as
"strong atheism."

Regarding people who have never been exposed to the concept of 'god':
Whether they are 'atheists' or not is a matter of debate. Since you're
unlikely to meet anyone who has never encountered religion, it's not a
very important debate...

It is important, however, to note the difference between the strong and
weak atheist positions. "Weak atheism" is simple skepticism; disbelief
in the existence of God. "Strong atheism" is an explicitly held belief
that God does not exist. Please do not fall into the trap of assuming
that all atheists are "strong atheists." There is a qualitative
difference in the "strong" and "weak" positions; it's not just a matter
of degree.

Some atheists believe in the nonexistence of all Gods; others limit
their atheism to specific Gods, such as the Christian God, rather than
making flat-out denials.


author: Archimedes Plutonium

subject: EU next superpowerdom after USA; AP`s ODYSSEY in Europe

text:
(posting from Univ of Basel)

I posted earlier that I may need to revise my Superpowerdom theory
to include 5 superpowerdoms instead of just 4, where I said that
the Roman and Holy Roman superpowerdom was a one and continuous
superpowerdom only difference is that the capital city had moved
from Rome to some German place, much as if Washington D.C. in the
USA superpowerdom were to move to say Toronto after Canada joins
the USA as more states of the Union.

The reason I liked 4 superpowerdoms is because of the nice-ness
of the harmonic periodicity of numbers. You see, the Greek, then
Roman, then England, then USA superpowerdoms are all about 1,000
years in duration and it is always nice in a theory to have such
nice numbers.

But we cannot ignore the facts of observation, that England as
superpowerdom starting from year 1000 A.D. to year 1900 is stretching
it. So, the historical observations suggest that 600 years
seems more of a time period in which a superpowerdom lifespan
occurs. That the Greeks were the world`s superpowerdom for approx
600 years and then the Romans for the next 600 years and then
the Holy Roman Empire of Germany for the next 600 years and then
England from around 1300 to 1900 was the world`s superpowerdom.

What this suggests then is that the USA can look forward to being
the world`s superpowerdom-- to lead the world in technology and
progress for the future years until about year 2500 when the USA
will be replaced by a new superpowerdom.

And I believe the replacement will be a EU, a European Union of
countries, where those countries are like states of the USA.
A United States of Europe so to speak. And these European states
will speak their regional language be it Spanish, German, French,
Italian, etc etc, but all will speak English as a common language
as the administrative language for all members of the EU.

And recently I have been studying the atlas that I carry around
with me for curiousity and map guidance and I see that Europe
from Portugal to the eastern-most tip of Russia has approx 40
to 50 countries in all if we include the Middle East also. Such
that if all of these countries united into one nation and call it
EU that the size of population and resources would make this
EU the next world`s superpowerdom.

And that competition is healthy not only for individuals but for
nations and for superpowerdom nations. That superpowerdom status
is not something static but that there is movement underway for
a new superpowerdom to arise. And I can see and feel some of this
movement in Europe. In an earlier post I asked for an analogy
comparison of the European countries compared to the states of the
USA. We can make such a comparison both qualitatively and
quantatively. Quantatively is easiest, just decide upon some number
parameter such as average income of state--country workers, or
Gross Product GP of state--country and list the states--countries
from highest to lowest and then make a one-to-one correspondence.
I suspect California of the USA states has the highest GP and I
suspect Russia or Germany of the European countries has the highest
GP, thus California would be matched with Russia. But there are
many such number parameters to do matching.
But the qualitative comparison is more difficult. To give an example
here is that Germany seems to be the engine moving the other
European countries into an EU. And in the USA, California often
leads the other 49 states in laws and progress and so one can say
that Germany is the California of the EU. And after travelling
through Europe so briefly and seeing some of England, France, Italy
and Greece, on a qualitative analogy, I would say that England
is the New York state of the EU and that France is the Pennsylvania
state of the EU (breadbaskets) and that Italy and Greece are the
Massachussets and Virginia states of the EU respectively. But on
a qualitative appraisal of Europe so far, I must say that the USA/
Canada are far ahead of Europe in many items that are important
such as the transportation system of roads and highways in the USA
are the best in the world for its size, and the plumbing of water
and toilets and the toilets are prevalent and mostly all free
in the USA (Europe plumbing is primitive in comparison), and
the computer revolution has Europe about 10 years behind the
USA/Canada. That I would have expected what country to be the
most like the USA in Europe to be England, but no, I would say
that Switzerland is the country in Europe most like the USA,
simply because CH is the only country so far where I can get
onto a computer and communicate to the rest of the world. Almost
every small town in the USA has free access to computers. Here
in Europe I could not get on a computer at Cambridge Univ in
England and was even told to "get off of the grass lawn" where
Newton measured the speed of sound. Trouble with much of England
is that it loves to live on past heritage and traditions rather
than pragmatically moving into the future. Switzerland in 1999
is free-er than England, and although English is a 2nd language
in Switzerland, it is CH that is most like the USA of all European
countries at this time and in my humble opinion. And it is ironic
that CH is not in the EU, and in my opinion CH would be a better
choice for the capital of EU than Brussels Belgium. Make CH the
capital of EU, as Washington DC is the capital of the USA.


author: Schlau

subject: Re: EU next superpowerdom after USA; AP`s ODYSSEY in Europe

text:
In article <[email]>,
  [email] (Archimedes Plutonium) wrote:

 History isn't about the "nice-ness" of numbers. And British/English
"superpowerdom" didn't last 1,000 years by any strech of the
imagination.  Nor did Greek "superpowerdom" for that matter.

 So your suggestion that in 1300 ad then that England was a superpower?
Venice, Mamlukes of Egypt, Lithuania-Poland, and Germany were all
more powerful financially and militarily then England.

 No they weren't.  The Greeks didn't conquer the Persian Empire
until 330 bce and by 130 bce; Persia & Mesopotamia was lost to the
Parthians and Greece, Asia Minor, and Syria-Palestine to Rome.
That's just about two hundred years.

 Yes perhaps for the Romans. 130 bce - 410 ad.

 The Holy Roman Empire didn't emerge until 800 ad and by 843 ad the
split occured creating Germany & France. And in the Germanies & Italy
the Holy Roman Emperor over time lost much of his power to local
city-states and Dukes, so much so that by 1025 ad the Dukes were
electing the Emperors.

 Not even mentioning Europe or the Americas, with the Ottoman Turks,
Mongols, Ming-Manchu China, Persia, and Delhi Sultanate in India;
England was by no means a world superpower in 1300 ad, 1400 ad or
even 1500 ad.

  As I pointed out above your figures are all wrong and in any event
technology has so changed human society that any patterns that have
existed in past human history among the rise and fall of nation states
don't apply to the future.

 The EU doesn't grow enough food for it's self, doesn't have enough
natural resources to met it's needs like oil, and has the very large
problem of very unstable Russia/Eastern Europe as a neigbhor. And like
China & Japan rely on the US to buy 60% to 70% of it's manufactured
goods.

 (snip)

                                --Oscar Schlaf--

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Before you buy.


author: Anonymous

text:
What is the capital of?

In order to survive economically smaller countries must align themselves
in coalitions.  The US is a powerhouse due to size, amount of resources,
population and culture (political structure, social structure etc).  EU
in it's own way is doing the same thing. Soviet Union failed at it
because it's political/economic/social structure was faulty).  I suggest
in future one will see the North American Union(US, Canada, Mexico,
Caribbean), European Union, North Asian Union (Russia plus), East Asian
Union (China plus), (SE Asian Union Indonesia plus), SW Asia Union
(Iran/Iraq), and so forth.

India will stand alone due to cultural reasons plus she is large enough
to stand alone.  India will be a future trouble spot to the other
unions.

Africa?  Will probably split into two or three unions.  Roughly North,
Central, South with the North and Arabian Peninsula (Islamic Cultural
area) emerging as the main player.

The key to all this is which economic/political/social structures will
each choose to follow.  Those who choose socialism will obviously fail.
Those who choose unchecked capitalism will also fail. Those who choose a
system that place the worth and dignity of the individual citizen
paramount will ultimately win - and in doing so - expand.

That's the question for Jan 1st, 2001.  A thousand years later our off
spring might well be asking what is the capital of each planet?  I hope
so!

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author: Erik Jongejan

text:
I must say that the USA/

What do you mean? We don't flush in Europe?


author: HellPope Huey

subject: BECOME AN HONORARY NEGRO TODAY!!!

text:
Seriously, get funky here.

     http://www.desktopblues.lichtlabor.ch/


author: nenslo

subject: Re: BECOME AN HONORARY NEGRO TODAY!!!

text:
In article <JYt1g.31$[email]>,
 HellPope Huey <[email]> wrote:

ONLY IF I CAN BE SLEEP'N'EAT.


author: [redacted]

subject: Re: BECOME AN HONORARY NEGRO TODAY!!!

text:
A psycho et some ramen hell.
(with penquins on the moon)
And then he et a little girl.
(with penquins on the moon)
I can't pay no Doktor bill.
(with penquins on the moon)
Ten years from now I'll be layin' still.
(with penquins on the moon)
The man jus' upped my dose las' night.
(with penquins on the moon)
No hot water, no toilets, and no lights.
(with penquins on the moon)
I wonder why he's uppi' me?
(with penquins on the moon)
Taxes takin' my whole damn check,
Psychos makin' me a nervous wreck,
The price of gas is goin' up,
An' as if all that shit wuzzzn't enough:
THERE'S PENQUINS ON THE MOON!


author: Tartarus Sanctus

subject: Re: BECOME AN HONORARY NEGRO TODAY!!!

text:
HellPope Huey wrote:

I was named an honorary Negro many years ago. I played bass in a black
funk band (funk? that tells you how long ago it was) and the guitar
player actually said "I'm making you an honorary Negro".

Being an honorary Negro does not give you full Negro privileges,
however. It's sort of like getting an honorary degree -- you can't
actually work in the field. I was not allowed to call anyone "niggah" or
call out the tunes, or sing, or have first crack at the foxiest women...
but after the gig I could sit at the table with the guys at Homer's Fish
Hut and have ribs and fried catfish and pig ear sandwiches on Wonder bread.


subject: Re: BECOME AN HONORARY NEGRO TODAY!!!

text:
[email] wrote:

with penquins on the moon

Dayum! I likes dat.


subject: 美逼升人民幣 中共嗆：奉陪到底

text:
美逼升人民幣 中共嗆：奉陪到底

【聯合報╱記者鄭惠元／綜合報導】 2010.03.22 04:28 am

中共商務部部長陳德銘昨天在中國發展高層論壇上表示，如果美國硬要將人民幣問題政治化，「那麼中國將奉陪到底」。陳德銘這番「奉陪論」，讓中美兩國因人
民幣匯率問題對立的氣氛更加緊繃。

陳德銘警告，如果各國大搞貿易保護主義，世界經濟將可能面臨「二次探底」的危機。

陳德銘昨天在論壇中發表演講，一開始，他說，正如主持人剛講的「我是問題比較多的部長，如果讓我發言，會要很長時間」，這話也說明大陸長期貿易大量順
差，以致人民幣匯率成為世界各國的眾矢之的，連帶成了陳德銘的頭痛問題。

他表示，人民幣匯率本來是個經濟問題，但美國已經把這個問題政治化了。他說，匯率問題是一個國家主權內的問題，而不是兩個國家之間應討論的問題。

陳德銘指出，這段時間總有個別國家盯著中國的貿易，希望人民幣匯率大幅升值後，能夠實現全球經濟的再平衡。但強壓一國貨幣升值對彼此都沒有好處，是一種
非理性的選擇。

陳德銘強調，中國總理溫家寶已經非常嚴正地向世界說了，人民幣匯率沒有低估。但如果美國財政部出於需要，做出了違背事實的答覆（在美國財政部的匯率報告
中，將中國列為操縱匯率國家），且「可能」將伴隨對中國貿易的制裁、國際貿易訴訟等，「我們也將奉陪到底」。

陳德明指出，美國強壓人民幣升值，並且借用「許多經濟專家的口吻」發言，暗示美國經濟復甦，必須要用人民幣升值來彌平差異的言論，並非是真相。

他指出，從今年起，中國對世界的貿易順差又下降了百分之五十。事實上，從三月開始，大陸的貿易可能逆差。這也是六年來，大陸首次出現單月逆差。

陳德銘說，若一個國家堅持零和博弈的觀點，忽視全球化條件下的互相依存，那麼一定會「一榮俱榮、一損俱損」；如果大搞貿易保護主義，「搞不好就會重蹈上
世紀三○年代保護主義氾濫的覆轍，導致世界經濟面臨二次探底的危險。」


subject: Re: 美逼升人民幣 中共嗆：奉陪到底

text: On Mar 22, 6:09 am, report2009 <[email]> wrote:


author: Anti-DabianchenVirus

text:
This is just another daily cut-and-paste troll post by the ugly
lesbian Philippino whore abianchen, a.k.a. report2009/Meichi. Ignore
her.

Facts about abianchen/Meichi the despicable, ugly lesbian Philippino
whore:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/ca085dc133ad3cae

Abianchen is a fraud, and above all, she is damn UGLY!

Picture of "abianchen" the Ugly:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/3415206204/

On Mar 22, 3:09 am, report2009 <[email]> wrote:


subject:
Shit face Meichi/Dabianchen/report2009, the ugly Philippino lesbian,
	is exposed as a pathological liar - again!

text:
For over a decade shit face has Meichi/Dabianchen/report2009, the ugly
Philippino lesbian, continuously claimed that she can "speak, read/
write perfect Chinese", but she showed again and again that she could
not even write simple Chinese phrases without having to cut-and-paste
them from the internet.  She couldn't even write "Well, I don't
believe or "resurrection", "heaven", "hell"... I believe we can only
live once there is no such thing "next life" in Chinese. This proves
that she cannot "read/write perfect Chinese" as she claimed and that
everything she writes is a lie. She has continuously proven that she
is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.
ROTFL!

Hey, shit face Meichi/report2009/Dabianchen, tell us why you hate your
own Philippino people so much, that you renounced your own ethnic
group and your gender to become "a guy from Taiwan"? Must be because
of your FAILED sex-change operation that made you look like this,
huh:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/3415206204/ ? Did you get
your plastic surgeon from Google as well?

Bwahahahahaha!!

On Mar 22, 6:09 am, report2009 <[email]> wrote:


author: John E. Hadstate

subject: Re: NSA,Windows, etc.

text:
"Mok-Kong Shen" <[email]> wrote in message
news:c7ll7j$qpq$02$[email]...

<Joke>

That "people are free to purchase guns" obviates the need for any other
laws.

</Joke>

The truth is that, in the US, almost no one is free to purchase guns (from
any retail or wholesale outlet) without some sort of government oversight
and approval.  The truth is, in most urban areas, some suburban areas, and
miscellaneous areas like military reservations, of the US, you are no more
free to possess a gun than you would be in Berlin, or Moscow, or Beijing.


author: Mok-Kong Shen

subject: Re: NSA,Windows, etc.

text:
John E. Hadstate wrote:

[snip]

Here in Germany one has to get a permission for gun possession.
Is there anything formally equivalent in US? (Or has matters
changed after 9/11?) Does the US government has a registry
of all guns possessed by its citizens? Thanks.

M. K. Shen


author: Marcel Martin

subject: Re: NSA,Windows, etc.

text:
"John E. Hadstate" a ï¿½crit :

That's not really what I saw in "Bowling for Columbine". And,
in this case, unless one admits that Americans are more criminal
than others (which is quite questionable), how can one explain
that the murder ratio is 10 times greater in the US than in any
other Western country?


author: Mxsmanic

subject: Re: NSA,Windows, etc.

text:
Marcel Martin writes:

Two reasons: (1) American culture is exceptionally violent as compared
to that of other developed nations; and (2) guns are exceptionally
present and available in American society.

Having unrestricted gun ownership without violence is fine, and having
violence without unrestricted gun ownership isn't too much worse, but
having unrestricted gun ownership combined with violence is a disaster.


author: Tom St Denis

subject: Re: NSA,Windows, etc.

text:
Mxsmanic wrote:

While gun violence is high in the US I'd say it's rather tame compared
to say Israel.  They don't have buses exploding because two waring
factions can't get over themselves [not to say the US isn't meddling
there but they should figure it out for themselves].

As for guns, Canadians have more guns per capita than the US.

Violence is higher in the states for a variety of social reasons.
Michael Moore has a nice take on it.  For instance, we all watch the
same horror flicks, Canada has it's share of "Negros", we have guns
here,  we have a violent past [took country from natives then fought
french for it], etc, etc, etc.

The states have more restrictions on guns than Canada.  Aside from not
being a charter right Canadians have more access to weapons as well as
laxer import laws concerning them.

Gun laws also don't really protect people as much as they would like to
think.  Murder was illegal far before gun control as even a thought.
It's just like the stupid modern laws concerning computers.  Theft and
piracy were crimes well before Napster came around.

Anyways, if you're going to shoot your mouth off about Gun related
crimes please watch the insightful and funny "Bowling for Columbine".
It really makes you think about where the violence in the US comes from.

Tom


author: Jim Steuert

subject: Re: NSA,Windows, etc.

text:
John E. Hadstate wrote:

Good point. In the "Banana Republic of Massachusetts",
if a woman accuses a man of yelling at her (no proof needed),
the conviction for domestic violence is automatic.
There are 15,000 restraining orders per year in Massachusetts.
Even the restraining order form has automatic boxes for surrender
of guns, children, property, homes, etc.

Then the corrupt female clerks of Massachusetts get involved, and
he never gets a hearing. Or they change the dates without notice.
Hearings without notice are commonplace in Massachusetts.

There are well-organized father's groups in Massachusetts who are up-in-
arms (they should be!) about the abuses of their rights.

I know a man who was arrested and jailed for attending  a pre-arranged
house closing even with his own lawyer in tow, as "violating a restraining
order".

Or, being with a new wife, kicked out of a restaurant because the
ex-wife shows up afterwards and makes a scene, only to learn later that
the police scoured the parking lot with guns drawn in plain site of their
young child.

Or for picking up a child for a rare visit.

In fact, I think I'll go violate a restraining order tomorrow.


subject: Re: NSA,Windows, etc.

text:
"John E. Hadstate" a ï¿½crit :

"BS" = bullshit?

This kind of judgement always learns nothing about what is judged,
but always learns a lot about the one who judges :-)

BTW,
I love the subtlety of the attack. If you prefer, we can speak
French, I will sell you the [sic]'s at wholesale price.


subject: Re: NSA,Windows, etc.

text:
Tom St Denis writes:

Canada is a far less violent society, though.


subject: Re: NSA,Windows, etc.

text:
"Marcel Martin" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
simple.

Usually.

Indeed, it was my intention that you learn my opinion of Michael Moore.  You
did well!

No attack intended!  In English (or at least in American English) it seems
to be conventional to refer to your statistic as the "murder rate" and it is
usually expressed as "murders per 100,000 population".  I'll grant you that
"ratio" is the right word and a "rate" that is not a derivative of time
doesn't sit well with me.  However, in our books, yours is not the
conventional terminology.  Unfortunately, I don't know enough about French
to understand your reference to "[sic]'s at a wholesale price."

I don't dispute your statistics.  A murder rate "10 times greater in the US"
may be a good thing if it deters people from moving here who are culturally
incompatible ;-)

Keep in mind that the murder rate you quote is an average.  Among certain
ethnic, racial or socioeconomic groups, it is much higher (or much lower).
In the area where I live, the "crime index" varies from 2 to 800 to 10 (the
national average is 100) over the space of 20 miles.  America is a diverse
country and statistics that average things out may badly distort the
picture.


subject: Re: NSA,Windows, etc.

text:
Mxsmanic wrote:

Exactly my point.  We have more guns yet less violent crime [though we
probably have comparable theft, fraud and other crimes].

You're post that I replied to suggested that the availability of guns in
the US was the cause of the violence.  It isn't.

Tom