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msg-77aa8098f919d72e7cd323d8fb48f0b4 | talk.politics.misc | Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:03:19 -1000 | Jerry Okamura | Re: Boehner and His TeaBaggers May Be Bringing Athens and Oslo To Your American Neighborhood | "pilotis" wrote in message news:201107311722.UTC.j1430f$bf7$[email]...
On 07/30/2011 02:15 PM, Jerry Okamura wrote:
OK, they're playing pick and choose with a cumulative bi-partisan mess.
Now that I can agree with.... |
msg-394acfeea48f0556274079c1c0638e8d | talk.politics.misc | 30 Jul 2011 21:54:31 GMT | Ray Fischer | Re: Boehner and His TeaBaggers May Be Bringing Athens and Oslo To Your American Neighborhood | First Post <[email]> wrote:
The rightard has the classic fascist mentality that all money belongs
to him and his corporate masters, and people who contributed for
decades to Social Security have no business asking for that money
back. |
msg-b7136fc9da59ac1c934efc4bafd547ae | talk.politics.misc | Sun, 31 Jul 2011 06:05:32 -1000 | Jerry Okamura | Re: Boehner and His TeaBaggers May Be Bringing Athens and Oslo To Your American Neighborhood | "Ray Fischer" wrote in message
news:4e347d49$0$2129$[email]...
Jerry Okamura <[email]> wrote:
Cut taxes for the rich and cut benefits for everybody else.
Is the best policy to make people more dependent on the government, or is
the best policy to help people to become less dependent on the government,
or for tha... |
msg-917d45f5ff8d0a8a31da8770c352c1ba | talk.politics.misc | Sun, 31 Jul 2011 06:04:04 -1000 | Jerry Okamura | Re: Boehner and His TeaBaggers May Be Bringing Athens and Oslo To Your American Neighborhood | "Ray Fischer" wrote in message
news:4e347d97$0$2129$[email]...
First Post <[email]> wrote:
The rightard has the classic fascist mentality that all money belongs
to him and his corporate masters, and people who contributed for
decades to Social Security have no business asking for that money
back.
Good question. ... |
msg-b3bac49e0a4e1357493195ea5634051d | talk.politics.misc | 31 Jul 2011 22:24:09 GMT | Ray Fischer | Re: Boehner and His TeaBaggers May Be Bringing Athens and Oslo To Your American Neighborhood | Jerry Okamura <[email]> wrote:
The brutal fascist wants to see people dead in order to teach them a
lesson.
Like you are? |
msg-0747403fe807ccc44c7ac24e06f9c020 | talk.politics.misc | 31 Jul 2011 22:23:06 GMT | Ray Fischer | Re: Boehner and His TeaBaggers May Be Bringing Athens and Oslo To Your American Neighborhood | Jerry Okamura <[email]> wrote:
Not a question, dumbass.
What "money", dumbass?
And did you forget that the government IS the people? |
msg-1fc16e672999972e7e2efb0750f31976 | talk.religion.newage | Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:56:50 -0700 (PDT) | [redacted] | Edmond Wollmann: The Forward Guard | http://tinyurl.com/4f668z
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
(c) 2008 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
The Sun http://www.edmondwollmann.com/
Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Gallery http://www.e-wollmann.com/ |
msg-41541dcacafcccffaad02c45d238e7f7 | talk.religion.newage | Tue, 7 Oct 2008 00:47:07 -0600 (MDT) | Ventas | Re: Edmond Wollmann: The Fool | In article <[email]>
[email] wrote:
URL fixored!!1!! |
msg-c55f1fc907ac852f71e26de24c42a9f8 | talk.religion.newage | Wed, 8 Oct 2008 00:29:27 +0000 (UTC) | That Wollmann Asshole | Re: Edmond Wollmann: Crab Wonton Fearing Kook | [email] wrote in news:0ee8310f-74d3-484d-be31-1b329b6a7669
@g61g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
Fixed. |
msg-53fe6806a0e686a167c25dd77faddb81 | talk.religion.newage | Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:03:37 -0700 (PDT) | [redacted] | Re: Edmond Wollmann: The Forward Guard | On Oct 6, 8:56 pm, [email] wrote:
"There will be great economic destructurization which will
necessitate power decentralization. Our greatest difficulties will
come from
governmental disarray and the final recognition that we have given far
to much
power to those in authority...
Our philosophical and religious beliefs... |
msg-430d873ff00c8f72102352ff3383168c | talk.religion.newage | Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:48:03 -0700 (PDT) | [redacted] | Re: Edmond Wollmann: The Forward Guard | On Oct 8, 3:55 am, Dave U. Random <[email]>
wrote:
Over and over I wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/52c3x3
Which is why I posted this in November of 2007 as Neptune slowly
triggers the conjunction and square:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astrology/browse_thread/thread/653128b29e394b70/db9300a9c6782074?hl=en&
Now we ... |
msg-02a17cbe968a7b40e5200f5638277c17 | talk.religion.newage | Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:32:30 -0600 (MDT) | Ventas | Re: Edmond Wollmann: The delusional kook | In article <[email]>
[email] wrote:
Flush! |
msg-0ec1e438f9ab0cacd330932c5c8c80d5 | talk.religion.newage | Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:51:03 -0600 (MDT) | Ventas | Re: Edmond Wollmann: The Asshat | In article <[email]>
[email] wrote:
URL fixored!!1!! |
msg-5e000cb2a31d0c8504c4a65798b53359 | talk.politics.tibet | 27 Apr 1994 17:28:56 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <[email]> [email] (Arnold Chu) writes:
You seem to be against TI, why don't have a try? :-)
What is your stand on TI? If not neutral, please try too. :-)
This approach is not a bad idea, though the practices may likely end up
with people's going back to argue on how inaccurate their opinions'
are being ... |
msg-2fb9cc6bb1ef02fc18ee1e7401c8ec95 | talk.politics.tibet | Wed, 27 Apr 1994 18:31:30 GMT | Nima Gyaltsen Dorjee | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <2pm7co$[email]> [email] (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
This looks like fun...
Let me put my 2 cents worth in this.
You are a triator to the motherland! How dare you seek
understanding?
They are a very small former SLAVE OWNERS who want to split the
Motherland. You are very priviledged have access to the net so
... |
msg-ae0048f3ac1c3ff34d65268b20dcf30a | talk.politics.tibet | Thu, 28 Apr 1994 19:46:29 GMT | Karen Lofstrom | Re: Karen as turncoat | Zhiqi Zuo ([email]) wrote:
: Our motherland have been occupied by the babaric Chinese
: soldiers. 1.2 million Tibetans have been killed during the Chinese
: occupation, though we only have 6 million at its peak. We Tibetans are
: now outnumberred by the flooding Chinese immigrants in our own land. Our
: culture is... |
msg-1b3f0c5d33ddff0aa5816e36a5b47d87 | talk.politics.tibet | 27 Apr 1994 19:25:40 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <[email]> [email] (Nima Gyaltsen Dorjee) writes:
...
Believe me, Nima. All the parts that I wrote are politically correct.
The obvious evidence is that almost all the people who showed any doubt
of it are from the Chauvinism China! Chinese must be taught.
Bod Langzen! Bod Langzen! Bod Langzen! Bod Langzen... |
msg-b89c9153bd85cc440718062069d003ee | talk.politics.tibet | Sun, 1 May 94 00:58:15 GMT | Wing Ng | Re: Karen as turncoat | Karen does a very credible imitation of the liberal Chinese. I
could have written her message, almost word for word.
Wing
In article <[email]> [email] (Karen Lofstrom) writes: |
msg-ab7541726f552c49bf6279e5c52e5ff8 | talk.politics.tibet | 29 Apr 1994 00:45:02 GMT | Junchun Yu | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <[email]> [email] (Karen Lofstrom) writes:
No matter what role your guys are playing, you seems to be only shouting
slogans and talk big words (maybe because you all want to make a parody
of the opposite side). I am not smart enough to understand what your
grand theory and I can not care less about the supp... |
msg-f18aa06deadb8ba0fb507ede6ef23679 | talk.politics.tibet | Wed, 27 Apr 1994 20:22:07 GMT | Nima Gyaltsen Dorjee | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <2pme7k$[email]> [email] (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
No, It is not Lice but Rice!! (-; (-; (-; (O-;
Nima |
msg-a7958bf5788b45f62c5764758f5c924e | talk.politics.tibet | 29 Apr 1994 15:38:22 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <2pplae$[email]> [email] (Junchun Yu) writes:
Your opinions are typical among some pragmatic Chinese netters. I am
talking from a Tibetan perspective, my views are typical among my
Tibetan compatriots in exile. Only these points count, which our
government has been presenting in many documentations and c... |
msg-857489693f552359b742728d7557913c | talk.politics.tibet | Fri, 29 Apr 1994 19:41:34 GMT | Karen Lofstrom | Re: Karen as turncoat | Junchun Yu ([email]) wrote:
: Could all of you folks, the pros and cons of TI, explain
: to us, in a very PLAIN EVERYDAY-LIFE English, what benefits the
: ordinary Chinese will earn if China lets Tibet go or what the
: benefits the ordinary Tibetan can get if Tibet remain in the big
: family of the China.
I (a pra... |
msg-a746b67fd06d456116fc91ceaababa9e | talk.politics.tibet | 27 Apr 1994 15:33:07 -0500 | Tingli Pan | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <[email]>,
Nima Gyaltsen Dorjee <[email]> wrote:
Do we think that we are a little bit rediculas and stupid, (I mean both
sides) when we are looking from our opponents side?
Tingli Pan |
msg-d06134ddd916762576f7af2e59d7e5dd | talk.politics.tibet | 29 Apr 1994 11:39:21 -0500 | Tingli Pan | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <2pr9le$[email]>, Zhiqi Zuo <[email]> wrote:
But Tibet is not an independent country. And the exile government has
never been recognized in the international community. And all your
auguments are based on nothing.
I wouldn't say the popular opinions of Tibetans, rather it is the
opinions of some Tibetans.
Y... |
msg-d09a262f942218bbfabca2a3a97a0510 | talk.politics.tibet | 29 Apr 1994 21:44:39 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Karen as turncoat | Ok, I am back to normal now. :-)
It is hard for me to play this game to satisfy you guys, but WHY
don't you try this to show that you can do it MUCH BETTER?
I was just trying to show you how things are screwed up totally
and generally from the beginning to the end in THEORY then actions:
the dispute about Tibetan i... |
msg-f18ea76216d8be20444680d95e96bf94 | talk.politics.tibet | 29 Apr 1994 22:50:52 GMT | Junchun Yu | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <[email]> [email] (Karen Lofstrom) writes:
(My observation is that Mr. Zuo Zhiqi sounds like a naughty brat and
Ms. Karen Lostrom sounds like a arrogant snob in this game.)
Now Karen suppose you were a pragmatic liberal Tibetan, how could you
refute the above article you wrote as a pragmatic liberal Ch... |
msg-c4c2437f7154e4f0ad0f47b9224748e7 | talk.politics.tibet | 29 Apr 1994 22:44:47 GMT | jack chao | Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | Could some Tibetan intellectual enlighten me on some basic questions
about TI movement ?
I got the following mail to confirm what I read about what Tibetan
wants for their land. Roughly it's 1/4 of China and it will block the
connection of China to SinJing(?). so it may cause SinJiang to request
for independent. Then ... |
msg-10fd8eaf44c1318b22ae8621b7b542bb | talk.politics.tibet | 27 Apr 1994 22:17:18 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <2pmi63$[email]> [email] (Tingli Pan) writes:
I agree. Even so, you should have some ideas about my attitudes/opinions
now. I will try to make my tones much softer thus more rational. :-) |
msg-cb6bb187862d2b588eea368e14be728d | talk.politics.tibet | 29 Apr 1994 17:27:13 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Karen as turncoat | Then I guess that since Chinese are having the controlling
power, we Tibetans have to wait and see, while we will launch
more international campaigns to get helps.
BTW, we had our own government toally independent from ROC(for
38 years before the Chinese invasion), like CCP in Yanan. But
the difference was we Tib... |
msg-89429ae3f4629b2185dd6c14065a9a88 | talk.politics.tibet | 29 Apr 1994 18:01:29 -0400 | Eddie Cheng | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <2prv47$[email]>, Zhiqi Zuo <[email]> wrote:
Thank God.
I thought that was why Karen started the whole thing, so that SHE can
show YOU how to do it better. She never said that YOU could do the
same to HER. It's your own fault that you have to learn this the hard
way. :)
Now you know you are a Chinese... |
msg-dd99e220ad2011da58dc3024d96b0d6e | talk.politics.tibet | 30 Apr 1994 01:52:22 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <2ps30c$[email]> [email] (Junchun Yu) writes:
...
I agree, and I felt like though my :-) standings were almost all
from the line of the Tibetans in exile and a typical westerner.
The basic difference is a fatal one as shown before.
There might be no such a pragmatic Tibetan comming out to refute
your prag... |
msg-d0b3e1255ab7d15188aa9ff0418d97d2 | talk.politics.tibet | 30 Apr 1994 17:28:25 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <2ps2kv$[email]> [email] writes:
...
The very narrow Gansu Corridor can still links the two chunks together,
even if Inner Mongolia were gone. But the serious geopolitics problem
is still there.
Place Area(in million sq. km)
TAR 1.3
area living by Tibetans ... |
msg-2ceb03513d3392e193004a5a8e85d8c1 | talk.politics.tibet | 29 Apr 1994 13:32:46 -0500 | Tingli Pan | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <2prg1h$[email]>, Zhiqi Zuo <[email]> wrote:
More or less, you are right here.
That is the key point, as Chinese consider Tibet is part of China, and
Tibetans are Chinese as well.
But there are many different ethnic peoples working under a government,
why can't Tibetans?
Tingli Pan |
msg-dd712e93401a6ee8162f1f0164b9f2cf | talk.politics.tibet | 30 Apr 1994 01:45:21 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <2ps03p$[email]> [email] (Eddie Cheng) writes:
Agree to some degree. The problem is that people like Mr. Yu and
Andrew are still complaining, though Karen and I are actually
presenting some of their basic :-) standings to let them know that
nobody is ignored. They all failed to realize that it was becaus... |
msg-22691f0aaad09d964bb375f9e3e24e38 | talk.politics.tibet | 1 May 1994 04:09:10 GMT | Junchun Yu | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <2psdkm$[email]> [email] (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
Did you refer to Ms. Lostrom or me when you said "you".
I (not as any part of in this role_playing therapy) will later
say something about the advantages of letting Tibet get independence
for China.I am not representing any government or organization so I
think... |
msg-b44159121a3d3019488136daab862ff4 | talk.politics.tibet | Mon, 2 May 94 10:01:42 GMT | Wing Ng | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <2pu4fp$[email]> [email] (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
Surprise! Read D.L.'s "Freedom in Exile" and see the map. There is
_no_ Gansu corridor, it's all swallowed by Tibet and Mongolia,
and there is no more land connection between PRC and "East Turkestan".
D.L. also detached the Northeast and calls it "Manchuria" f... |
msg-e77a0c922335cdfd10e8245180c93168 | talk.politics.tibet | 29 Apr 1994 19:57:00 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Karen as turncoat | It is Tibetans' right to chose to be or not to be Chinese,
we don't want to see the Tibetans losing their identity. To
many of us, Dalai Lama's suggestion that Tibet should become a
Shangrila type international nature park is a great and
wonderful idea. Chinese should learn to respect human rights
and practice demo... |
msg-ff414231b870de81074aaf0ebe513cf2 | talk.politics.tibet | 29 Apr 1994 20:20:16 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Karen as turncoat | We are positive that time will come for us Tibetans to
have our own government. We can do and live without
Chinese approval and promises. No matter what Chinese
have done to us, no matter what Chinese think, we don't
hate Chinese. But we need our right for self-detemination.
We can't reach something more and common ... |
msg-c75c2807e3960a3fb400d2fdb8dc11a4 | talk.politics.tibet | 1 May 1994 16:40:42 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <2pva16$[email]> [email] (Junchun Yu) writes:
I thought that your opinions would be those that had been frequently
presented by TI people, so as to be typical thus of realistic meaning.
My idea of the ideal world is that we only have one government and one
country (I am serious). Sounds real?
If it beca... |
msg-29c733e7b9c0c480d9803b2f46bc9bdd | talk.politics.tibet | Tue, 3 May 94 03:21:57 GMT | Wing Ng | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <[email]> [email] (andrew �) writes:
Actually D.L. said his family helped a Chinese family that suffered
from famine, so there are Han Chinese there in his neighborhood.
Relate to the thread few weeks ago whether Xining is included
in D.L's Tibet: it is, see his "Freedom in Exile". Qinghai definitely
h... |
msg-4b8786c9ce8273fc0b5951b7e19c14c1 | talk.politics.tibet | 29 Apr 1994 15:57:00 -0500 | Tingli Pan | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <2proqc$[email]>, Zhiqi Zuo <[email]> wrote:
Since Tibet is part of China, then the people live there don't have too
much choice, but Chinese citizen. Unless a foreign country wants to
accept an individual as its citizen. (many Chinese staying in US is a
good example)
I support democracy, but that doesn't m... |
msg-267de4024965160d78f13eab6c15b76f | talk.politics.tibet | 1 May 1994 20:06:25 GMT | Junchun Yu | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <2q0m2a$[email]> [email] (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
But all the opinions here are cliches now and almost everybody is still
goof around at square one.
That's not the problem. Like it or not, China has absolute controlling
power over Tibet and this power will not be gone even if it allows
Tibet independence. So C... |
msg-ffb776efb54f7e1b4fe103ee07072dae | talk.politics.tibet | 3 May 1994 16:47:06 GMT | Junchun Yu | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <[email]> [email] (Wing Ng) writes:
Iranians is a concept that is more fuzzy than the term "Chinese".
It could mean Persian,Tajiks,Aserbiajiang. Many famous Persian
poets are called Azer poets in USSR like Shadi,Rubai (I am not sure
the English transliterating of these names). Persian is currently
called ... |
msg-f724baaea931a17251d1eb894fa889c4 | talk.politics.tibet | 29 Apr 1994 22:01:39 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Karen as turncoat | In article <2prsas$[email]> [email] (Tingli Pan) writes:
...
I somehow surrender to your thinking. Although human rights are
universal, we still have treason crimes in all the countries. A
state is different from an individual, but we should have more
choices, shouldn't we? :-(not sure)-:
John
Our Tibet has our ... |
msg-5d8e06b9db236409027c526e247f04f1 | talk.politics.tibet | Sun, 8 May 94 06:19:00 GMT | Wing Ng | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <2q5v6a$[email]> [email] (Junchun Yu) writes:
The term Iranian is meant to be fuzzy. They are only whites,
Caucasians, no way of telling what language they spoke when they
were alive :-)
Wing |
msg-8047c92ab1c0fc2cb43bd9374470d5eb | talk.politics.tibet | 3 May 1994 19:19:33 GMT | Joe Huang | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <[email]> [email] (Wing Ng) writes:
I would not support a Tibetan claim to the Gansu corridor, but aren't
you overstating the historical facts quite a bit ? If Gansu corridor
had _never_ been inhabited by anyone except Han Chinese for 3,000 years,
what do you consider the XiXia Kingdom (900's to the 1270... |
msg-2079e8cb418ac05d6ff53b0ef21301eb | talk.politics.tibet | Sun, 8 May 94 06:28:54 GMT | Wing Ng | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <[email]> [email] (andrew �) writes:
D.L., or his group, say one thing and then another thing elsewhere
that contradicts. I don't mean that they lie, but it reflects various
factions, or uncertainty about what they really want.
Wing |
msg-9d703b1d700cbff64f16f2df86d35509 | talk.politics.tibet | 3 May 1994 19:45:55 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <[email]> [email] (andrew �) writes:
If he is supposed to represent 6 million Tibetans, he is making
some point.
Things are screwed up. |
msg-e4f308524c3d5576037839fd94ec15f8 | talk.politics.tibet | Sun, 8 May 94 06:26:26 GMT | Wing Ng | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <[email]> [email] (Joe Huang) writes:
Xixia had citizens who are Hans as well as Tanguts, I think
some of the prime ministers are Hans.
Someone pointed out the Great Wall runs the whole length of
the Gansu corridor, rather good indication of who the inhabitants
are in my books.
Guo Moruo claims that Li Ba... |
msg-d69a50aa9f13d9109e4531f26ded2444 | talk.politics.tibet | 3 May 1994 14:39:01 -0500 | Tingli Pan | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <[email]>, Joe Huang <[email]> wrote:
.....
If we start the "all the time" from 1720.
Tingli Pan |
msg-8e9acef7669c24ba194222344bc35a04 | talk.politics.tibet | 8 May 1994 23:58:54 GMT | Joe Huang | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <[email]> [email] (Wing Ng) writes:
I'm not arguing the absence of Han people in the Gansu corridor,
just your claim that "Gansu Corridor has _never_ been inhabited by
anyone except Han Chinese for at least 3,00 years." Judging from
the fact that the Tanguts fought the Sung to a standstill, developed
their... |
msg-f947ebebe5fde6da6460502f335e82c3 | talk.politics.tibet | 9 May 1994 20:30:00 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <[email]> [email] (Joe Huang) writes:
True. Some mongolians(some Tibetans too) were found to have blue/grey eyes.
In XingJiang, this must be true too. As a northeast grown-up, I had met many
people having very light skin, very light brown eyes, and very light hairs.
Other than some slight looking differe... |
msg-df5d5eb97d72bc24df16f6968d160e05 | talk.politics.tibet | 10 May 1994 16:32:31 GMT | Dong Xiao | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <2qm6g8$[email]> [email] (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
I have this question for a long time, maybe you folks can answer.
I thought the "Caucasians" were Russians. But many white folks in the
States identify themselves as "Caucasians" even if they are originally
from, say, the UK. |
msg-9c9d59658c9a62103b8fa9dc0adc3f92 | talk.politics.tibet | 10 May 1994 20:03:53 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <2qocuv$[email]> [email] (Dong Xiao) writes:
...
According to a widely accepted and disputed theory, all the ancestors of our
human beings were from Africa. Sometime in the evolution and emigration
process, the human beings were classified VERY ROUGHLY into three(or five)
races: Black Africans, Yellow Mon... |
msg-88b1d41feae27df9514f8d408291fbc1 | talk.politics.tibet | 11 May 1994 15:01:41 GMT | Jeffrey B. Green | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <2qocuv$[email]> [email] (Dong Xiao) writes:
-
- I have this question for a long time, maybe you folks can answer.
-I thought the "Caucasians" were Russians. But many white folks in the
-States identify themselves as "Caucasians" even if they are originally
-from, say, the UK.
-
I would assume that i... |
msg-828208ac8ac1a7a67ec3ea2a22d04ec5 | talk.politics.tibet | 10 May 1994 22:43:56 GMT | jack chao | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | I think you were talking about the human's common mom "Lucy". :-)
Some time this year, TIME magazine had an article announced some
evidences and declared that human were evolved separately in different
places "concurrently". So the momie Lucy theory is in doubt. I don't
know what is correct, just some thing to toss i... |
msg-29fb3fe311133a36e19b4b8885f05dda | talk.politics.tibet | 11 May 1994 01:10:11 GMT | Zhiqi Zuo | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | In article <2qp2nc$[email]> [email] writes:
I have read it too, but it seemed to be a continuation of another
highly disputed theory for which there are only few evidences(?)
existing. The article was kind of biased, giving special favors to
some scholars while questioning other scientists' lacking of modern
techniqu... |
msg-09dce5a91a6b114219538c1e194ee4ee | talk.politics.tibet | 10 May 1994 22:20:15 -0500 | Tingli Pan | Re: Basic questions on Tibet Independ. | The theory of Caucasien, Mongoloid and Black Africans was way before the
"Lucy", which was discovered by Prof. Leaky (?!) in the sixties.
Therefore there should be no suprise of the contradiction between those
two ideas.
Tingli Pan |
msg-56c00310eb2e603fd1b8101bb421b814 | talk.politics.european-union | 23 May 2005 06:59:53 -0700 | qlangley | German poll could swing the French their referendum | France is now in the final week of its referendum campaign, and the two
sides are very firmly drawn. Chirac's cronies claim the constitution
defends the European (meaning French) "social model". His opponents say
it institutionalises "anglo-saxon" capitalism. Yesterday's crushing
defeat for the German SPD-Green coaliti... |
msg-4f06ac9ffd23057f1efc10bd58486763 | talk.politics.european-union | 26 May 2005 06:10:30 -0700 | qlangley | Re: German poll could swing the French their referendum | You are unclear on what is meant by "Anglo-Saxon capitalism". What I
mean by this is a highly competitive deregulated market economy. All
political parties in France favour dirigisme - state guided capitalism
rather than laissez-faire. The CDU/CSU and the FDP even more strongly
favour moving towards deregulation an... |
msg-8f77640bf31840ce504faff602d8ca26 | talk.politics.european-union | 25 May 2005 08:34:21 -0700 | Tant qu'il fera jour | Re: German poll could swing the French their referendum | qlangley a écrit :
It is big indeed. But not all proponents of a "no" vote do oppose
Turkey'bid. Maverick socialist senator Melanchon favours Turkey'
application; he even is in favor of enlarging the Union to North
African countries from which so many of his constituents are coming; he
is enamored of the Third World
... |
msg-0d425feea9f1c0af7e1a94bf18455c82 | talk.politics.european-union | 24 May 2005 03:48:46 -0700 | qlangley | Re: German poll could swing the French their referendum | Good point. The Turkey issue is big in France. But I stand by my
point that the main issue is the future direction of Europe. Chirac
claims the constitution reinforces the French model of capitalism and
his opponents that it reinforces Anglo-Saxon capitalism. With Germany
likely to move, somewhat, in the Anglo-Saxo... |
msg-23eb71bbbaaf9567af475c1dee2d77a5 | talk.politics.european-union | 23 May 2005 12:11:00 -0700 | Tant qu'il fera jour | Re: German poll could swing the French their referendum | qlangley a écrit :
what
support
Well, the CDU/CSU is known to oppose Turkey'bid for EU membership; many
voters this side of the Rhine think they could block Ankara'bid by
casting a "no" ballot. It is not the right way to do it, but such is
their misled opinion. Over the Iraq war, Schroeder initiated the whole
thing du... |
msg-626d6fe5aa9486e3dda1c519ee716162 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:36:37 -0700 | Tera Free Nws | Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | The hysterics over at speaking truth might have a point.
After all I don't see anyone speaking up about this incident.
"I was there in San Francisco, all sucked into the frenzy. After all
we had the collection of Teachers, Mystics, Master Teachers and lets
not forget Renard who has *new aged* Ken wapnik's version of ... |
msg-2ce6661e0a54910a1adb4dbf81b727c0 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:48:38 GMT | Gene Ward Smith | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | Tera Free Nws <[email]> wrote in news:1190511397.583621.10780
@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
MT has always been a flake.
What they are teaching isn't ACIM, so in some sense it has no importance
to ACIM as such. The problem is, of course, that they say otherwise. In a
way Renard and MT serve a purpose similar to the ... |
msg-254e288a65a5615f6f13c1cc4f37eae5 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:19:18 -0700 | Tera Free Nws | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | On Sep 22, 9:48 pm, Gene Ward Smith <[email]> wrote:
Well seems like a problem when the commercial interests at the
Miracles Conference are endorsing all this teaching which isn't ACIM.
At least Mundy got off the rah, rah, band wagon.
Sounds to me like the all the rah, rah is coming from Rev Tony what-
he's-name in ... |
msg-5a3e8a7b030ce6f7e15f15a0194ac5a2 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:42:55 -0700 | Tera Free Nws | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | On Sep 22, 10:26 pm, Gene Ward Smith <[email]> wrote:
Yeah, well a mess and getting to be a bigger mess.
Funny, neither Wapnick nor MT are even comprehendiable. I've heard
numerous people describe MT's video's as ravings. Wapnickians seems
clueless to what Wapnick even believes.
Renard, isn't even a good Wapnickian.... |
msg-aaa9bb4b7f47443455702bc2cb56f4a0 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:04:49 -0700 | Tera Free Nws | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | On Sep 22, 10:47 pm, Deborah <[email]> wrote:
The text is written in a symphonic fashion with multiple levels of
redundancy.
I have the very first printing of the Blue Book. Everything one needs
to understand the author and his teaching is there. Wapnick's editing
has NOT made it impossible for me to come to very dif... |
msg-1935eddacf3a9c0ecd7efc087398f4a8 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:21:31 -0700 | Tera Free Nws | Re: Take heart, John | On Sep 22, 10:41 pm, A-Meister <[email]> wrote:
Well perhaps. It seems what is sadly lacking is a voice for non-
commercial interest and course integrity. Course teachings can be
hijacked by a few idiots, but someone should say it ain't right.
Mundy, Perry and Mackie seem a bit intimidated by Renard.
Its amazing how... |
msg-8cd94bb935dcd50cf44d25afc542e317 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:37:56 -0700 | Tera Free Nws | Re: Take heart, John | On Sep 22, 11:29 pm, Deborah <[email]> wrote:
Well, that's kindda the point. The only one's crowing about teachers
and speaker's circuits and bring people back to the course are the
commercial interest.
After all, for all his crowing, Renard has no real idea how many
people he turned off of course study with his book... |
msg-3a93eb1ec7aa96df4543f3a45f7bc497 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:11:05 -0700 | aum-orchestra | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | On 24 sep, 16:51, "mr bill" <[email]> wrote:
This is exactly the reason that the UTUR unified transcription
will *not* include interpretation at all! :-)
namazt� |
msg-319f6577799930c4bc8246e8f6903831 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:20:16 -0700 | Tera Free Nws | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | On Sep 24, 5:27 pm, "Carrie" <[email]> wrote:
Oh, you mean the trite observation that nearly everyone understands
from an early age.
Yeah, you're a brain and thinker. |
msg-8373ad6234d9f51c3f5f8b1ff8864778 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:22:05 -0700 | Tera Free Nws | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | On Sep 24, 5:48 pm, "mr bill" <[email]> wrote:
Carrie holds moral authority superior to yours.
She doesn't have to acknowledge differences accepted by morally
inferior beings like yourself |
msg-78095e9715dcd58b306a17debdddb282 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:36:47 -0700 | Tera Free Nws | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | On Sep 24, 10:21 pm, "Carrie" <[email]> wrote:
~Well gee, Carrie what makes you think that people don't accept you as
someone with scum bag values?
Why not live your stated belief and accept that people don't enjoy
being annoyed by people with scum bag values?
Its not exactly like you made a lot of positive impressi... |
msg-89c3bcdab59b3a392e22464d23020161 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 03:26:51 GMT | Gene Ward Smith | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | Tera Free Nws <[email]> wrote in news:1190517558.225680.172310
@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
Much ACIM "teaching" has been a mess for a long time, starting with MT and
with Ken going off the rails. |
msg-6574bfe88fdd8c3b0524ca0e1dad2478 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:41:33 -0600 | A-Meister | Take heart, John | Tera Free Nws wrote:
It's always been that way, John. Christianity
has a long history of cultic practices, under
the guise of brotherhood and forgiveness. The
fact that idiots attempt hijacking everything
that comes along is a reflection on them, not
on that which they've attempted to hijack. If
that's all Christianit... |
msg-4aa42ede28ee56d23396ca0ffe92ce0b | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:18:06 GMT | Deborah | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:04:49 -0700, Tera Free Nws <[email]>
wrote:
My own interpretation of the course, after several years of
selt-study, does not bear a whole lot of similarity to Ken's
interpretation either. He's too psychological for me. But I've never
been able to appreciate the first five chapters of the publi... |
msg-3d45bbf99258d5fecf957c55904d23d1 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:52:59 +0200 | Pieter | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | "Tera Free Nws" <[email]> schreef in bericht
news:[email]...
What follows after the first five chapters
must be seen as in complete harmony with them,
or one has to correct one's undertsanding of them.
Concerning content Jesus never contradicts himself.
Imo the Course is quite holistic.
Later chapters as well "contai... |
msg-0c1582bedb9f16f8b16183fa47154fed | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:29:49 GMT | Deborah | Re: Take heart, John | On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:21:31 -0700, Tera Free Nws <[email]>
wrote:
Why don't we all just read the course itself? What do we need with
the speaker circuit?
Deborah (BC) |
msg-34b3b656e16673f3172af6a0fe9e3060 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:04:09 +0200 | Pieter | Re: Take heart, John | "Tera Free Nws" <[email]> schreef in bericht
news:[email]...
Exactly. That's why the *sole* responsibility of
a miracle worker is to accept the Atonement
for him/herself. The rest is up to the Holy Spirit.
He will guide us.
Integrity in small things will sooner or later
manifest in integrity in larger issues. |
msg-e138cfb0bc450f8cc7e53a868e0137e4 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:11:20 -0500 | mr bill | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | that, my friend, will not stop people from interpreting, and from arguing
about those interpretations. |
msg-b3ac82a09dd3c27ba9c6fab202640491 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 03:47:50 GMT | Deborah | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 03:26:51 GMT, Gene Ward Smith
<[email]> wrote:
I just read the book. I don't need interpreters. But it does bother
me a lot that no one knows anymore what the *real* version is. And we
have you to thank for that, don't we?
Deborah (BC) |
msg-7e6cf9e3e890374f4250aa907eba09dc | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:30:21 GMT | Gene Ward Smith | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | Deborah <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:
If your bitter resentment didn't stop you, you could study the versions you
hate without bothering to read. They might help, and for sure they would be
different. |
msg-2bcc8dce9bc23e3162fdbd35a6eb3ca5 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:32:54 -0500 | mr bill | Re: Take heart, John | because of the very human tendency to play follow the leader. |
msg-b79407c2e90d8de9c944546fe337b1a4 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:27:01 -0400 | Carrie | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | "mr bill" <[email]> wrote in message
news:fCWJi.83707$[email]...
Which comes back to my belief in everyone having their own interpretation,
belief, and "truth"
Especially about a book like A Course in Miracles.
Arguing about what it means, or doesn't mean and who's right, wrong,
understands what it (the wor... |
msg-9a8b5c1b284d1e5104d99cade99e2246 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:01:15 +0200 | maz | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | "mr bill" <[email]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:fCWJi.83707$[email]...
yup. i'll adjust my statement. Not that there can be no more dispute,
but that there need not be any more dispute about what's been said. Better?
namazt� |
msg-695bfaf1f27a05ec08c1b02eef480d11 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:28:28 GMT | Gene Ward Smith | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | Deborah <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:
This is insane, Deborah. Your resentment has blinded you to the simple
reality that facts are merely facts. |
msg-4601559c9f38c786c68fb7ac51d522b7 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:46:26 GMT | Deborah | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:30:21 GMT, Gene Ward Smith
<[email]> wrote:
I don't hate any of the earlier versions, Gene. I've mentioned before
that when I tried to read the Ur, I got the feeling I wasn't supposed
to. Same sort of feeling Helen got when she went into a cave in
Israel. I consider it guidance, and would ask... |
msg-95a92ee4c84d2e9d6bab9cee89dd3308 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:48:03 -0500 | mr bill | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | i do not see how any of the arguing that goes on around here is any more
destructive that the rampant gossip that flies all over the damn place.
i do hope that you know the difference between "interpretation" and "belief"
and "truth" |
msg-e7c168177e3f5ebe19bcd82253060689 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:20:09 +0200 | Pieter | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | "Carrie" <[email]> schreef in bericht
news:fd9dl5$in3$[email]...
Do you deny that we can be helpful to
one another on our path back Home?
That the Holy Spirit is in everyone, and
can speak through everyone, if we want
to hear Him?
"If you make the mistake of looking for
the Holy Spirit in yourself alone your
thought... |
msg-55800dbf4fe3b14ab7510eae6804660b | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:49:26 GMT | Deborah | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:28:28 GMT, Gene Ward Smith
<[email]> wrote:
Uh huh. Well, the fact is you care more about scholarship than
anybody's salvation.
Deborah (BC) |
msg-57b78446b87b7cedfbe58caeaea75dd4 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:04:41 GMT | Gene Ward Smith | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | Deborah <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:
And were you also divinely guided to make nasty cracks about people who did
read it, and go on attack about it?
You are not being honest here. If you express hatred and fear so openly, do
you think it will not be noticed? |
msg-0af3055cfb60dc81f3dc73aacc1d6c29 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:05:25 GMT | Gene Ward Smith | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | Deborah <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:
It's FEAR, so no, it is not guidance. |
msg-cec2d3305edf10d00c9336830bea4121 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:21:30 -0400 | Carrie | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | "mr bill" <[email]> wrote in message
news:G8XJi.12836$[email]...
I know my perception and understanding of them (LOL)
Why can't I just be me and you just be you and we can accept that and
what each other believes? |
msg-bf865b67354125e4a55e0aac65521930 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:58:47 +0200 | maz | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | phew! :-))
thanks, bro. maz
"mr bill" <[email]> schreef in bericht
news:0D9Ki.13078$[email]... |
msg-246fa50dc28c3edbfb5d87d1fbc15421 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:06:36 GMT | Gene Ward Smith | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | Deborah <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:
And your support for this expression of hatred is what? Why did you feel
impelled to say it?
FEAR. |
msg-cb0ce587965049910f51736d8db2fe6a | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:16:00 GMT | Deborah | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:05:25 GMT, Gene Ward Smith
<[email]> wrote:
Who are you to say?
Deborah (BC) |
msg-612804d33920f1d6621c47b34bdbbec2 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:24:44 -0500 | mr bill | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | how am i stopping you from being you?
believe whatever you want to believe. while you are at it, take a close look
at why you do not want to let me do the same.
words have meanings, carrie, and if communication is what one desires, one
would do well to stick to what words mean when using them. |
msg-96fccff358debc726361a5f8839a4280 | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:20:08 GMT | Deborah | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:06:36 GMT, Gene Ward Smith
<[email]> wrote:
It's true. That's why I felt impelled to say it. Do you deny that
it's true, Gene? Are you going to tell me that you kept to yourself
the purpose of your interest in the copy of the Ur that CIMS obtained
from the copyright office because you were mo... |
msg-c8512fb7f880b8fc7d5c2c493c41b0df | talk.religion.course-miracle | Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:06:28 GMT | Gene Ward Smith | Re: Hey, Gene. You might have to write another letter to Mundy | Deborah <[email]> wrote in
news:[email]:
You told us yourself. You've made it very, very obvvious that you bitterly
resent other versions, and you attack people you percieve as responsible
for beinging them to light. If it had been guidance as you claim, you would
simply act in it yourself without making it into a... |
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