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msg-d41aa1a53d8e2af3d0cb40b21b4c5edb | talk.politics.drugs | 5 Dec 2006 08:18:59 -0800 | [redacted] | Re: Court told of cannabis couple's cottage industry | Terry wrote:
That piece of vomit probably thinks he's an upstanding, law abiding
model citizen. Rather like the upstanding, law abiding model citizens
who did their duty and reported Jews in hiding to the Gestapo. They
really are self righteous lumps of filth.
Clough |
msg-e29306c3e002541fda2cf716bbe741fc | talk.politics.drugs | 5 Dec 2006 10:12:39 -0800 | NH | Re: Court told of cannabis couple's cottage industry | Terry wrote:
Wait until people are locked up for inciting cannabis use. |
msg-2f161983a9683283515e00fade80fae2 | talk.politics.drugs | 5 Dec 2006 10:30:10 -0800 | [redacted] | Re: Court told of cannabis couple's cottage industry | Anton Gijsen wrote:
Maybe the scumbucket who informed will be a witness in court and be
named in the press.
Clough |
msg-3a1e1b6bae5e791145b069bcc676aaf4 | talk.politics.drugs | 7 Dec 2006 09:01:31 -0800 | Jethro | Re: Court told of cannabis couple's cottage industry | PeteM wrote:
depend who made the complaint I guess ...
If Mrs Miggins from down the road complains she is being plagued with
yobbos damaging her property the of course the police can ignore it.
If T.Blair, or GW Pharma, or GSK complain, they will get every courtesy
the police can extend. |
msg-0ba3b7b09b8528a521dc1f63ecb76b3d | talk.politics.drugs | 7 Dec 2006 11:37:03 -0800 | Jethro | Re: Court told of cannabis couple's cottage industry | Phil Stovell wrote:
you might say that, I couldn't possibly comment.
I have an ambivalence towards GW, as it seems they are quite happy to
smash the rungs off any ladder of genuine sympathy in the authories
they have used to get where they are by not helping advocate the case
for medical MJ.
I bet there are a few MP... |
msg-90e37f396d134cf86310e142e2e666db | talk.politics.drugs | Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:28:13 +0000 | Phil Stovell | Cannabis chocolate 'was helpful' | I expect Mr Miller will get a visit from the drugs squad, as he's just
admitted, from his wheelchair, that he's a dangerous criminal.
<http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=444192>
Cannabis chocolate 'was helpful'
Published on 08/12/2006
A 36-YEAR-old man in a wheelchair who suffers from multiple sc... |
msg-80cd3a6e9ec20e59052b08f9d050fb9a | talk.politics.drugs | 9 Dec 2006 10:30:51 -0800 | arclight | Re: Cannabis chocolate 'was helpful' | Clough wrote:
actually you might want to try, detectable for over 4 months, if the
person previously used large quantities on a daily basis.
I know this, because I was being drug tested and still wasn't
completely free of detectable metabolites after 4 months of drug
testing. Before I started being tested I had been s... |
msg-e93da722cd2c8c5da8ef77e862086aa3 | talk.politics.drugs | 27 Dec 2006 11:02:03 -0800 | King Amdo | Re: Court told of cannabis couple's cottage industry | [email] wrote:
really? I think BNP scitzo's are probably worse....
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.legal/browse_frm/thread/1ab74bc231198174/a0daff0db422fae0?hl=en#a0daff0db422fae0 |
msg-91596120229b6d73a6f7d193fef1f6c1 | talk.politics.drugs | Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:06:52 GMT | banjo | Re: Court told of cannabis couple's cottage industry | "PeteM" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
anyone got a proper link for this ? |
msg-f8527b9cb1813d7f553b101b07d53102 | talk.politics.drugs | Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:06:45 +0000 | Phil Stovell | Re: Court told of cannabis couple's cottage industry | On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:01:31 -0800, Jethro wrote:
Conspiracy? |
msg-a6d9229f3f36f2ff2701708e8892338c | talk.politics.drugs | Sat, 09 Dec 2006 13:42:26 GMT | Clough | Re: Cannabis chocolate 'was helpful' | On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:28:13 +0000, Phil Stovell <[email]>
wrote:
The metabolites of cannabis are detectable in the blood for up to a
month after abusing the drug.
A blood test will reveal if this man is a drug addict. This, together
with his confession, would enough to prove his guilt.
He should be charged not onl... |
msg-7dcc8f82135292927d920a7f4b9979f4 | talk.politics.drugs | Wed, 27 Dec 2006 19:43:07 GMT | clough | Re: Court told of cannabis couple's cottage industry | On 27 Dec 2006 11:02:03 -0800, "King Amdo" <[email]>
wrote:
They will be if they ever gain any political power.
Clough |
msg-246b10c597db950f4c7fe4800bfdd95a | talk.politics | Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:15:40 GMT | xofpi | Cheney In Unsecure, Disclosed Location Till Thursday. It's Okay. He's Just Pheasant Hunting. | So I guess it's fair to conlcude he's armed. Terrorists and pheasants, watch
your tail feathers.
http://www.austin360.com/aas/news/ap/ap_story.html/Washington/AP.V8727.AP-Cheney-Hunting.html
Vice President Cheney Goes Hunting
WASHINGTON (AP)--Vice President Dick Cheney is spending a long weekend at a
pheasant-hunt... |
msg-048f28999976ce9ec5a17de2dd8f7e67 | talk.politics | 7 Nov 2001 10:33:27 -0800 | Old G | Re: Cheney In Unsecure, Disclosed Location Till Thursday. It's Okay. He's Just Pheasant Hunting. | xofpi<[email]> wrote in message news:<gcEF7.13757$[email]>...
I hope that this was written in order to alert people to the fact
that there is a SECURITY PROBLEM with giving out information on the
location of the Vice President, while we are in war time. Considering
the fact that treats have already been made again... |
msg-1b6f382724d1608cec29b0d7bf82ade1 | talk.politics | Wed, 07 Nov 2001 19:15:01 GMT | xofpi | Re: Cheney In Unsecure, Disclosed Location Till Thursday. It's Okay. He's Just Pheasant Hunting. | In article <[email]>, Old G says...
"Treats" against the "president?" You mean on Halloween, when he went as a
legitimately elected President and a forceful Commander-in-Chief?
Actually, I posted this to make fun of Cheney the chickenhawk's cowering in his
bunker when he isn't making the world safe from the threat o... |
msg-0baadcea726105cc0ec765581feedf94 | talk.politics | Wed, 07 Nov 2001 19:52:21 GMT | Glen Heiman | Re: Cheney In Unsecure, Disclosed Location Till Thursday. It's Okay.
He's Just Pheasant Hunting. | xofpi wrote:
If you haven't hunted pheasants in the fall in South Dakota--------don't
knock it. |
msg-b614efe50ce6317c8065587b1dd1073b | talk.politics | 7 Nov 2001 14:37:30 -0800 | Old G | Re: Cheney In Unsecure, Disclosed Location Till Thursday. It's Okay. He's Just Pheasant Hunting. | xofpi<[email]> wrote in message news:<VKfG7.16379$[email]>...
Whatever your view I was attacking the Article for giving out the info not you. |
msg-453adf00b4e4b03e545ee5b92ab68c6c | talk.environment | 3 Mar 2001 19:32:17 -0800 | Chive Mynde | Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | Studies Show Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World
"In 2000 Nature magazine reported that a team of Chinese
scientists had tested the key principle of modern rice-growing
(planting a single, hi-tech variety across hundreds of hectares)
against a much older technique (planting several breeds in one field
... |
msg-034ea736fbe6f4d4a4a596cd77cd6676 | talk.environment | Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:43:20 -0800 | Dr H | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On 3 Mar 2001, Chive Mynde wrote:
}Studies Show Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World
Perhaps they could: with the aid of genetic engineering.
Dr H |
msg-debc01b97992ae626691edeeb54c0c16 | talk.environment | Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:47:22 +0000 | George Baxter | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | Chive Mynde wrote:
That reference is false. The research instute us the Rothemsted Instute
in Harpenden. It is true that they have researched for 150 years. I
visited them on their open day is 1999. During that open day, they
stated clearly that the in no differnce in yeild from oraganic
fertiliser compared to manufac... |
msg-030b0bdf1e201d858ebc8f21ec8e6433 | talk.environment | Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:10:34 +0000 | Ute Bohnsack | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | George Baxter wrote:
[snip - lots of controversy]
Weibel, F. et al. (2001): Bio�pfel - besser und ges�nder? Eine Vergleichsstudie
mit Standard- und Alternativmethoden der Qualit�tserfassung. In: �kologie und
Landbau 117, 1/2001, Bad D�rkheim, Germany
and
Weibel, F. et al (1998): Are Organically Grown Apples... |
msg-2afa9c1b1d4d14ac355f0696ad82085a | talk.environment | Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:13:22 GMT | Torsten Brinch | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:47:22 +0000, George Baxter
<[email]> wrote:
Then you must have misunderstood them. The data from the
famous 150 years Rothamstead continuous wheat experiment
(Broadbalk) show that manured plots give higher yields than
NPK plots.
Quite generally all long term agricultural experiments have
d... |
msg-8504ae9249a85349b9b7ff8dec2e3722 | talk.environment | Wed, 07 Mar 2001 12:31:02 +0000 | George Baxter | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | Ute Bohnsack wrote:
By how much are they healthier? The number 0.999999999999999 is bigger
than 0.999999999999998
But I would not describe that as significant difference, and certainly
not enough to persaude me it is worth paying up to 50% more. How much
healthier are they? You do not say.
Also the Soil Association ... |
msg-067998e6a9b06f2740a6d26956c35809 | talk.environment | Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:59:02 +0800 | John Riley | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:13:22 GMT, [email] (Torsten
Brinch) wrote:
Well, is this not the bleeding obvious?
All things being equal, the manure has organic matter which will
improve the function of the soil.
The trouble is that in the real world, all things aren't equal.
Manure is often an unknown quantity in regard to... |
msg-c00c0df5793d14510a12feb1ff5d365e | talk.environment | Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:12:25 +0000 | George Baxter | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | Torsten Brinch wrote:
I will check that, but that was contrary to what was said. Can you give
examples of how much higher is higher. As I cited in another post
number 0.9999999999999999 is higher than 0.9999999999999998 but not
significant. Are the yields significantly higher.
What about the production of organic ma... |
msg-6be0a6ddb5be41591f885d82512ea75f | talk.environment | Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:13:33 GMT | Torsten Brinch | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 12:31:02 +0000, George Baxter
<[email]> wrote:
(may I use this opportunity to remind you that I have asked you
to post a copy of the informally resolved complaint you have made to
ASA, and which you made reference to in a previous debate.
As you know, the ASA server does not hold it)
As rgards t... |
msg-93a523e4f7afb086d11a83c57da6a513 | talk.environment | Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:39:02 -0500 | Boulder Belt Organics | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | George Baxter wrote:
Of course one cannot test for taste as taste is very subjective-what is
ambrosia to one could be tasteless to another.
Lucy Goodman-Owsley
Boulder Belt Organics
New Paris, OH
http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/boulderbeltcsa |
msg-cd86436a39ac3589cb2afc0c085539bb | talk.environment | Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:26:11 +0000 | Ute Bohnsack | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | George Baxter wrote:
ok, last night was simply too late, so here goes (from first study cited - the
German language one which is same ongoing study as the English language
version):
* 31.9% higher in phosphorus in fruit flesh (appears to be strongly correlated
with fruit quality)
* 14.1% firmer flesh (12% at the end ... |
msg-1afb5c1c0a3369e694999e6582ba34d1 | talk.environment | 8 Mar 2001 04:35:59 GMT | Dick McDermott | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | "John Riley" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
I heard a presentation about the maize experiment and part of it was done
with green manure from plowed down cover crops and part was done with animal
manure. Both gave competetive yields
Which points to one feature, some might say weakness of organic agriculture.... |
msg-bfa4b7d44bd37e5909de8c42c1405783 | talk.environment | Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:45:22 GMT | Torsten Brinch | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:12:25 +0000, George Baxter
<[email]> wrote:
The difference between organic and artificial fertiliser in yield
terms in the Broadbalk experiment are not by any means big,
in other terms they are quite significant.
For a short introduction to the issue, see David Tilman,
"The greening of the gr... |
msg-af962134d08250215580e9807834f26e | talk.environment | Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:58:22 +0800 | John Riley | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:13:33 GMT, [email] (Torsten
Brinch) wrote:
Yep, the general public a almost as brainwashed here.
Of course, put a blindfold on, and all opinions go out the window.
For example, ask six people to give an opinion of the taste of some
green raspberry jam, and then try the same with six other people... |
msg-bfdf8a04578bfeeba1f240760fe1bef4 | talk.environment | Wed, 07 Mar 2001 17:37:02 +0000 | George Baxter | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | Torsten Brinch wrote:
I have twice emailed you at the return address you use to post to this
forum. I did so on 23rd Feb and again on 1st Feb. The email did not
bounce so I presume that you received them.
Can you send me your postal address to [email] . I do not
think putting private details on a forum like this is ... |
msg-8aff30c936a39f39b2ca69dcbd6c09c3 | talk.environment | Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:23:27 -0600 | gcouger | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | "Torsten Brinch" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
: On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 12:31:02 +0000, George Baxter
: <[email]> wrote:
:
: >Ute Bohnsack wrote:
: >
: >>
: >> Weibel, F. et al. (2001): Bio�pfel - besser und ges�nder? Eine
Vergleichsstudie
: >> mit Standard- und Alternativmethoden der Qualit�tserfassung... |
msg-597c68e55feaffc78a60467fdeffd2f2 | talk.environment | Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:58:33 -0500 | J K Cason | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | "Boulder Belt Organics" <[email]> wrote in message
news:3aa6801b$0$70816$[email]...
<snip>
If someone claims to taste a difference between two samples, it is a
simple matter to determine whether that ability is real. The triangle
test is recognized worldwide.
http://www.astm.org/DATABASE.CART/PAGES/E1885.htm
Test ... |
msg-1e2c822177b4c996f6fb376c335554b3 | talk.environment | Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:57:54 +0800 | John Riley | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:39:02 -0500, Boulder Belt Organics
<[email]> wrote:
So why do organic folks claim that organic food tastes better?
Regards John Riley West Oz |
msg-b69551e9b7217d1c796e99fe011d198e | talk.environment | Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:26:32 -0600 | gcouger | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | "Boulder Belt Organics" <[email]> wrote in message
news:3aa6801b$0$70816$[email]...
: George Baxter wrote:
: >
: > Ute Bohnsack wrote:
: >
: > >
: > > Weibel, F. et al. (2001): Bio�pfel - besser und ges�nder? Eine
Vergleichsstudie
: > > mit Standard- und Alternativmethoden der Qualit�tserfassung. In:
�kologie u... |
msg-8d8cb4e35043b5a74f891846f83a7bcf | talk.environment | Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:57:46 +0800 | John Riley | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:26:11 +0000, Ute Bohnsack <[email]>
wrote:
Oh dear, Oh dear, Oh dear!!!
Sounds like Rudolph Steiner :(
Regards John Riley West Oz |
msg-54639b5e716fd2e580608bee2cccda6a | talk.environment | Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:43:33 +0000 | George Baxter | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | Torsten Brinch wrote:
To get enough manure for agriculture, you must collect it. How do you
collect the manure?
The cows and pigs as I recall produce as and when they need to, not in
some special lavatory or receptacle. So it will be dropped all over the
fields. So it needs to be collected pretty rapidly otherwise wi... |
msg-685b8fbcd78f20b3fb529c4f5d8be56c | talk.environment | Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:40:05 -0600 | gcouger | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | "John Riley" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
: On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:13:33 GMT, [email] (Torsten
: Brinch) wrote:
:
:
: >Anecdotally, my very old father rang me yesterday, weirdly just as I
: >was happily munching an organic apple, thinking how deliciously tasty
: >it was, to tell me that -he- had just thro... |
msg-5a1301fbf00349bb27d9fe6e3fa6835d | talk.environment | Wed, 07 Mar 2001 20:33:13 GMT | Torsten Brinch | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 17:37:02 +0000, George Baxter
<[email]> wrote:
You should not take a count of studies for more than what it is. It
just goes to show that there has been a considerable interest in the
topic. If you want to review these massive amounts of studies you
are free to do so. Perhaps you can hire a s... |
msg-ef4ecb46523a1f6bf1ac305600794824 | talk.environment | Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:46:11 -0500 | Boulder Belt Organics | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | John Riley wrote:
John where did you get the idea that organic food tastes better out of
that statement. What it says its different people have different
abilities to taste.
I must ask why opponents of organic foods who never eat the food claim
they do not taste better-how would they know if they do not consume them?... |
msg-f7024c3d9a59b33dbe345602081bd813 | talk.environment | Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:31:44 +0000 | Ute Bohnsack | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | John Riley wrote:
No matter what you make of these methods, Rudolf Steiner, anthrosophy, or
biodynamic methods - it doesn't discredit the other scientific methods used in
the trials or the results.
Regards,
Ute |
msg-da844c92a108f15cdd11910b5f72c365 | talk.environment | Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:39:58 +0000 | Ute Bohnsack | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | George Baxter wrote:
I'm not sure about most other parts of the world, but in much of Europe
livestock is on pasture in the summer and housed in the winter. This is the
period to collect manure, either as farmyard manure (mixed with bedding) or in
the form of slurry, which is recycled to grazing/hay/silage ground or t... |
msg-e15dd1176cc125530f993b46bab3810f | talk.environment | Thu, 08 Mar 2001 22:38:55 GMT | Torsten Brinch | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:43:33 +0000, George Baxter
<[email]> wrote:
I am stunned. Have you never been on a farm?
George, what struck me as weird was the figure 'five times the
normal'. OK, so you got carried way, but '3 times the normal' is
still pretty striking. However, I can now see what has gone wrong.
You ... |
msg-af5b0ea7d7798c174edfc1a217e2b5dc | talk.environment | Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:15:24 -0600 | gcouger | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | "Torsten Brinch" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
: On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 17:37:02 +0000, George Baxter
: <[email]> wrote:
:
: >Torsten Brinch wrote:
:
: >> Another reviewer examined 1230 (!) scientific studies comparing the
: >> nutirtional value of organic vs conventional food. This reviewer
: >> found that ... |
msg-2550f078669b54a0ad2c203e77fd3ba7 | talk.environment | Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:31:01 GMT | ant | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | "Boulder Belt Organics" <[email]> wrote in message
news:3aa79b15$0$46007$[email]...
most of the organic food i eat i grow myself so that automatically improves
the taste, i cant really say i can tel the difference between organic and
conventional wheat when used in breakfast products and flour<still chose it
in prefere... |
msg-4a93f5c21346ffc3ae7f1593250cb165 | talk.environment | Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:31:30 +0800 | John Riley | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:46:11 -0500, Boulder Belt Organics
<[email]> wrote:
I didn't. Are you disputing my general observation that "organic folks
claim that organic food tastes better"?
Have I not seen you say that?
Well I read it as "one cannot test for taste" which begged the
question, "how do organic folks know th... |
msg-4644253b95d168a7abce76c193c4e91b | talk.environment | 09 Mar 2001 06:08:15 -0800 | John McCarthy | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | Boulder Belt Organics <[email]> writes:
I never encourage superstition by buying organic food. However, when
it is served to me I eat it. I don't notice that it tastes different.
My supermarket and many others have both organic and non-organic
berries of various kinds. Would anyone like to organize a blind
tastin... |
msg-559ad9c9cb9875dcbd66d8a35383aa5f | talk.environment | Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:17:08 +0000 | George Baxter | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | Boulder Belt Organics wrote:
I eat oganic food occassionally. Not through choice but if it happens to
be on special offer and so costs the same, or less, than conventional
food. But refuse to pay up to 50% more for something that is essentially
on different.
Recently in the Times ( of London ), they conducted their o... |
msg-519cb595cd5b35f72eb545da8eb8a48b | talk.environment | Sat, 10 Mar 2001 14:15:31 +0800 | John Riley | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:31:44 +0000, Ute Bohnsack <[email]>
wrote:
Sorry, from what I've read and managed to understand of Steiner, I
regard him as a total fuckwit! NTPTFAPOI :)
If you seriously quote any Biodynamic Method garbage in a post with
anything else, I can't help but dismiss the lot. Sorry, it must be
the i... |
msg-f0747c98ae79c1bf0fb90677423b9c68 | talk.environment | Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:44:15 +0800 | John Riley | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:39:58 +0000, Ute Bohnsack <[email]>
wrote:
So where is all this manure coming from to grow all your sellin'
crops? The totals just don't add up IMO.
Ain't they pragmatic, now? :)
Housing stock is not normal in temperate Oz, AFAIK.
If you are prejudiced and can't tell the biased from the unbi... |
msg-5fdfeee873b037cb74390ab293663c83 | talk.environment | Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:08:55 +0000 | George Baxter | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | Ute Bohnsack wrote:
Racists make judgements on superficial and irration bases.
You appear to make judgements on the same basis.
You should judge things on the basis on whether they are true or not. |
msg-df6cf4dc6abad5d804a5c613738cfb22 | talk.environment | Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:40:56 GMT | ant | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | "Torsten Brinch" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
manure
is
consider
i note that george has ducked for cover again, after making untenable and
irrational statements that at best are misleading he has decided to drop the
thread, perhaps seeing me replying here where he should have will goad him
into posting. ... |
msg-53d572480eb72790d8ea824540e1afca | talk.environment | Wed, 07 Mar 2001 23:20:40 GMT | Torsten Brinch | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:15:24 -0600, "gcouger"
<[email]> wrote:
Dunno. What is the man asking?
Best regards
Torsten Brinch
Email: interpret dot in domain name |
msg-52e3a04396322ceca28764e082d9882c | talk.environment | Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:48:35 +0000 | George Baxter | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | People should be aware that Ant in an individual who has explicitly lied
on this forum. People should treat any statements he makes with extreme
caution.
He has claimed that www.probiotech.fsnet.co.uk is a Monsanto site. It is
not a Monsanto, nor has it ever been. It explicitly states so on the
site.
He has claimed i... |
msg-79bb6b044ab211992938e9addf543773 | talk.environment | Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:08:03 -0500 | Ian St. John | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | "John Riley" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
is
I once worked a day on a farm.
After some hard work, I noticed that the food ( payment ) was expecially
tasty...
I concluded that appetite is a factor in the 'taste test'.
Later, I was invited over for a meal, without working. I noticed that the
meal was es... |
msg-47a685d5b98021e8b0d0060811e72253 | talk.environment | Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:58:34 +0000 | Ute Bohnsack | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | John Riley wrote:
[snip]
What totals? Manure and/or slurry are also reycled to tillage ground (as I said
above). Also (and I've said that a couple times now), as far as nitrogen is
concerned organic farming also utilizes green manure crops, including
nitrogen-fixing legumes.
Your temperate climate is obviously warmer... |
msg-2aedc2c3535bf68665ee0bc7fe4ed57e | talk.environment | Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:56:57 GMT | David Kendra | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | "ant" <[email]> wrote in message
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from
to
there
required
from
the
little
cites
this
And I replied. Now tell us what are the scientifically proven disadvantages
are reduced benefits by using GE technology?
dk
put
it, |
msg-7542c0f84e77e59b51cd87e21c9253f2 | talk.environment | Tue, 13 Mar 2001 05:31:00 -0600 | gcouger | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | "ant" <[email]> wrote in message
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:
: "Torsten Brinch" <[email]> wrote in message
: news:[email]...
: > On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:43:33 +0000, George Baxter
: > <[email]> wrote:
: >
: > >Torsten Brinch wrote:
: > >>
: > >
: > >>
: > >> >What about the production of organic manure? That generally... |
msg-8582948c474b372a9c7c23108b8bc497 | talk.environment | Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:57:35 +0800 | John Riley | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 23:20:40 GMT, [email] (Torsten
Brinch) wrote:
That's one of the problems of this reactionary mob - they want a
different "form of agriculture". What about working with the present
system, improving techniques, changing practices when new, better ones
are proven ?
Yes, it can, but not usually. You ... |
msg-e649cee9ba9fc4eab6020cb14741d7c9 | talk.environment | Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:37:30 -0600 | gcouger | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | "Torsten Brinch" <[email]> wrote in message
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: On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:15:24 -0600, "gcouger"
: <[email]> wrote:
:
: >Date: Mar 06 2001 20:18:59 EST
: >From: Roger Morton <[email]>
: >Subject: Alternative Ag Research, yields and profits
:
: >Critics of biotechnology call for more research into alternati... |
msg-bfd5528fb2d38b94476253c72baf5a35 | talk.environment | Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:53:45 -0600 | gcouger | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | "Ian St. John" <[email]> wrote in message
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:
: "John Riley" <[email]> wrote in message
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: > On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:46:11 -0500, Boulder Belt Organics
: > <[email]> wrote:
: >
: > >John Riley wrote:
: > >>
: > >> On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:39:02 -0500, Boulder Belt Organics
: > >>... |
msg-4a635136bc276be0ea8d353fe54359bd | talk.environment | Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:47:46 +0800 | John Riley | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:58:34 +0000, Ute Bohnsack <[email]>
wrote:
Well the manure came from the grazing land and you are putting it on
the tillage land. Where do you get the extra manure for the grazing
land then?
I have no objection to looking at them, it's using them is suspect.
You used them before by quoting the... |
msg-a1414b4ea05983cd360c3daf7712ad6d | talk.environment | Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:02:46 -0600 | gcouger | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | "Ute Bohnsack" <[email]> wrote in message
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:
:
: John Riley wrote:
: [snip]
: > >I'm not sure about most other parts of the world, but in much of
Europe
: > >livestock is on pasture in the summer and housed in the winter. This
is the
: > >period to collect manure, either as farmyard manure (mixed with
be... |
msg-3c6b2ca5ca935cfa404986048c5b2c54 | talk.environment | Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:57:35 GMT | Torsten Brinch | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:37:30 -0600, "gcouger"
<[email]> wrote:
Roger Morton did not include a full reference to the article you
are interested in, but this must be it:
"Global land resources and population-supporting capacity"
Eswaran, H; Beinroth, F; Reich, P
American Journal of Alternative Agriculture vol. 14, no... |
msg-ca7447e43f3cb17856fd3a2dca1b1902 | talk.environment | Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:28:29 +0000 | Ute Bohnsack | Re: Organic & Sustainable Farms Can Best Feed the World | gcouger wrote:
[snip]
I can't tell you off-hand, will have to go and ask him.
Ute |
msg-e312f7de65f98057d4bf34d3c6437435 | talk.politics.libertarian | Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:58:55 GMT | Yuma | Re: Only scum hiding behind "God's Debris" would defame a loyal American like McCain! | On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:06:45 -0700, God's Debris <[email]>
mumbled:
Drop fucking DEAD! |
msg-d47d98e18b3bf4f24ed7b7e04c8fe71a | talk.politics.libertarian | Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:02:25 -0800 | Curly Surmudgeon | Re: Only scum hiding behind "God's Debris" would defame a loyal American like McCain! | On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:58:55 +0000, Yuma wrote:
If it is your intention to be mean and vile then you failed. Dropping
dead during a fuck is one of the more pleasant ways to die.
-- Regards, Curly
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Osama didn't win, Bush lost. Strike that, Osam... |
msg-b061aeddeabb00208869ff4dbc2fd8bc | talk.politics.libertarian | Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:50:57 GMT | Yuma | Re: Only scum hiding behind "God's Debris" would defame a loyal American like McCain! | On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:02:25 -0800, Curly Surmudgeon
<[email]> mumbled:
Filleting you alive and dipping you in rock salt would suffice. |
msg-06f79b3c08cf95dcf31d3b05c243f8e0 | talk.politics.libertarian | Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:39:41 -0800 | Curly Surmudgeon | Re: Only scum hiding behind "God's Debris" would defame a loyal American like McCain! | On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:50:57 +0000, Yuma wrote:
Do your neighbors know aobut your issues?
-- Regards, Curly
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Osama didn't win, Bush lost. Strike that, Osama didn't win, _we_ lost.
----------------------------------------------------------------... |
msg-802c462bfe27e268ce4eccc108cec6fa | talk.atheism | Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:38:04 GMT | fasgnadh | Re: Atheist Clothing - The Wolves therein | [email] wrote:
http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html
Prove it! Most atheists hold this illogical UNPROVABLE belief
but frequently pretend otherwise.
Atheists, when presented with the horrors of historical
atheism (70,000,000 dead in the USSR, Maoist China, Pol Pots genocide,
North Korea) cons... |
msg-a45a30f0aef5de23a232066afb01c060 | talk.atheism | Tue, 29 Dec 2009 00:44:24 GMT | fasgnadh | Unmet Challenge to Cowardly Dishonest Atheists # 9 PROVE YOUR UNFOUNDED
BELIEF! was Re: Atheist Clothing - The Wolves therein | fasgnadh wrote:
Unmet Challenge to Cowardly, Dishonest Atheist Hypocrites # 9:
"PROVE IT"
Challenge Date: 20/12/2008
Those atheists who have already snipped and RAN AWAY, failing utterly
to provide ANY PROOF whatsoever for their MERE BELIEF include, in order
of importance in the atheist pecking order (inverse I... |
msg-6e2df5f877eb3ee9fff539db422d0786 | talk.atheism | Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:58:17 -0700 | Virgil | Re: Unmet Challenge to Cowardly Dishonest Fasgnadh PROVE YOUR UNFOUNDED SUPERSTITION! | In article <Ihc_m.65325$[email]>,
fasgnadh <[email]> wrote:
On the contrary, being a-theist does not require any beliefs at all, but
merely lack of certain beliefs.
Whereas ALL theists without exception hold illogical UNPROVABLE beliefs
though they may frequently pretend otherwise.
Unmet Challenge to Cowardly, Di... |
msg-19782cc59684fa46c5489b4079c54f6b | talk.atheism | Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:00:48 -0400 | IAAH | Re: Unmet Challenge to Cowardly Dishonest Atheists # 9 PROVE YOUR
UNFOUNDED BELIEF! was Re: Atheist Clothing - The Wolves therein | On 12/28/09 8:44 PM, * fasgnadh wrote:
That's untrue (but it's NOT untrue that you lie
about such things). Most atheists hold no belief
in any god, period, or are happy to know that no
evidence showing that any god exists has ever been
produced and so there's no rational reason to
believe in any god.
Ah, yet ano... |
msg-56c75f72b900a3d6322fe4e5e5a00d81 | talk.atheism | Tue, 29 Dec 2009 05:18:01 GMT | fasgnadh | Atheist admits they have no proof for their belief was Re: Unmet
Challenge to Cowardly Dishonest Atheists # 9 PROVE YOUR UNFOUNDED BELIEF!
was Re: Atheist Clothing - The Wolves therein | IAAH tries to slander me, then admits i'm right:
Bullshit, atheists linked to a site selling atheist
clothing, emblazoned with atheist beliefs,
including that item , and atheists drool over them
and preen and puff themselves and NOT ONE OF YOU
distances yourselves from the atheist messages being
presented.. until I ch... |
msg-79429fc95e4b069a33a6483febba7e77 | talk.atheism | Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:58:31 -0700 | Virgil | Re: Atheists find each god as unbelievable as any other god | In article <dig_m.65395$[email]>,
fasgnadh <[email]> wrote:
But even the most militant atheists only declare the non-existence of
one more god that any theist declares nonexistent, and MOST atheists
don't declare any gods impossible, only unbeleivable.
Since Fasgnadh's thesis is clearly irrelevant, accusing many a... |
msg-69985638c2e00602645afdc2d071fdc9 | talk.atheism | Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:02:04 -0400 | IAAH | Re: Fannynads runs. | On 12/29/09 1:18 AM, * fasgnadh wrote:
Nope, sorry. I don't have to "distance" myself
from what others say. Your obsession with a shirt
is pathetic.
Now, if you can't actually show that the word
"atheist" means anything but "without religion",
or that your claim about what most atheists
believe is true, or suppo... |
msg-caa887f95ce53843b6aa51128159a035 | talk.atheism | Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:15:33 -0500 | IAAH | Re: Fannynads disappears when called out on his lies. | On 12/29/09 2:02 PM, * IAAH wrote:
Since you've had more than enough time to respond,
and have in fact posted in other threads, we'll
just leave you as done like dinner, then. |
msg-ade454c49080d25aca570d1030773b3d | talk.politics.china | Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:59:51 -0800 | Mark Ferguson | Re: Who likes Bush ? | On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:47:44 -0800, [email] wrote:
Damn, you confused Feelshimself with facts. He will label you gay now
and rant.
Why yes, yes he does know he lies and forges crap. He also knows he
is stupid as well and that his ex-wide is now happily married-- to
somebody else of course. |
msg-5a06a97fb4a8f8e1d758ec94f455482a | talk.politics.china | Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:06:17 -0800 | Dr Feelgood | Re: Who likes Bush ? | "Mark Fergusliar" [email] wrote in message
news:[email]...
My only ex-Wife was burried over 40 years ago. I was unaware you had dug up her
body and married it you sick fuckinmg lying spammer |
msg-ab8dd634a54c90376e12a77641d6acd6 | talk.atheism | 8 Jun 2006 10:26:39 -0700 | The Fool | Re: God, logic, and God's attributes | Peter wrote:
More specifically, here's what I wrote:
What it says -- what any text says -- is subject to interpretation.
Clearly most Christians would consider this to be god created
everything but god. You can play the little snot nosed smart ass kid
and say "but it says everything!" but people would just laugh you ... |
msg-c7ab3cb97506a70003d5a60be9a7e191 | talk.atheism | Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:52:10 -0700 | Gandalf Grey | Re: God, logic, and God's attributes | "The Fool" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
I'm addressing this, at least in passing, in another post I'm preparing.
David Ray Griffin addresses this particular strategy of the anti-theists in
"God, Power, & Evil" when he notes that part of the problem of the 'problem
of evil' is caused by the fact that ... |
msg-be55c2d5c815776390a5c480914694de | talk.atheism | Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:43:33 +0100 | Lizz Holmans | Re: God, logic, and God's attributes | On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:52:10 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
<[email]> wrote:
The main trouble with the anti-theists is that their knowledge of
theology seems to have stopped at about the 8th grade.
Throwing a little non-orthodox Christianity at them and they *really*
lose their rag. Then the name-calling starts.
Lizz 'but you... |
msg-14ab55617aec20ebc86741acf44ea8ec | talk.atheism | Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:48:31 -0700 | Gandalf Grey | Re: God, logic, and God's attributes | "Lizz Holmans" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Yeah. I guess we could call that "The Barwell Effect" |
msg-87c9edf9095a8d8cfd7630b69d0a8b11 | talk.atheism | Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:43:00 -0500 | wbarwell | Re: God, logic, and God's attributes | Lizz Holmans wrote:
Non-orthodox theism doesn't work any better. |
msg-afb4c57da2760bc42e00da94072d2d3a | talk.atheism | Thu, 8 Jun 2006 20:50:52 -0700 | Gandalf Grey | Re: God, logic, and God's attributes | "wbarwell" <[email]> wrote in message
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That's an interesting point, Barwell. If we assume that it's true [and I
believe that much of it doesn't work any better] why is it that you seem
incapable of dealing with non-orthodox theology?
Your MO on the groups is to treat non-orthodox western theology t... |
msg-187046189f6ffb18f93ef8e89c32ef47 | talk.atheism | Fri, 09 Jun 2006 02:22:06 -0500 | wbarwell | Re: God, logic, and God's attributes | Gandalf Grey wrote:
I do that rather well.
You do not and don't have brains enough to see, you have been beat like a
gong.
If god gave us a god like free will and god like good nature that does no
evil, we could have a world with no evil.
This sinks the usual theologies.
It sinks your bastard process versions too... |
msg-47f264222c2ebd543538d489776425e2 | talk.atheism | Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:41:01 -0700 | Peter | Re: God, logic, and God's attributes | "Gandalf Grey" <[email]> wrote in message
news:4488f021$0$18497$[email]...
a
you
Your "non-orthodox theology" is simply the logical fallacy of ad hoc
hypothesis.
"An ad hoc hypothesis is one created to explain away facts that seem to
refute one's theory." -- http://skepdic.com/adhoc.html |
msg-2e039a52ab79c97e5a4019e0d86bb3e8 | talk.atheism | Fri, 9 Jun 2006 00:33:38 -0700 | Gandalf Grey | Re: God, logic, and God's attributes | "wbarwell" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
When are you going to start?
I see. So the way you deal with non-orthodox theoloies is to hurl insults
at anyone who brings up their existence.
Very convincing, Barwell.
It doesn't. But please go on with your delusion.
Really? How?
Actually, that's not ev... |
msg-2eca94da7c95540e21bd25ce35beec2d | talk.atheism | Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:57:39 -0700 | Gandalf Grey | Re: God, logic, and God's attributes | "Peter" <[email]> wrote in message
news:[email]...
Wow! Another logical fallacy you don't understand.
There's seemingly no end to your ignorance. |
msg-50c83421b79d92016a916e5dabe5e65d | talk.atheism | Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:17:04 -0700 | John Jarndyce | Re: God, logic, and God's attributes | "Gandalf Grey" <[email]> wrote in message
news:4489a85e$0$18493$[email]...
in
of
your
what
*really*
I
seem
Creating an ad hoc hypothesis is definitely logical fallacy, moron. Study
up:
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/skepticism/blfaq_fall_adhoc.htm |
msg-39ce018a7aba298746d86a20bd85c882 | talk.atheism | Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:47:13 +0000 (UTC) | [redacted] | Re: God, logic, and God's attributes | In talk.atheism John Jarndyce <[email]> wrote:
Read the very first line from that page, moron, where it says "Strictly
speaking, an ad hoc fallacy shouldn't really be considered a fallacy because
it occurs when a faulty explanation is given for some event rather than as
faulty reasoning in an argument."
What part of ... |
msg-4dd4c68f6b31e684d0bbe00d201e07e0 | talk.atheism | Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:32:48 -0700 | John Jarndyce | Re: God, logic, and God's attributes | <[email]> wrote in message
news:e6h3ch$bhf7$[email]
Are you saying that trying to evade the issue by creating an ad hoc
hypothesis is not logical fallacy? Think again. "An ad hoc hypothesis is
one created to explain away facts that seem to refute one's theory." --
http://skepdic.com/adhoc.html That is definitely log... |
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