text: Fair enough, I was out by 35 years. But the whites began subjugating the indigenous peoples of the area pretty much from the moment they arrived, so we are definitely talking 365 years of racially motivated oppression (albeit not immediately across the entire country).
  However, if you'd read my other posts on this thread, you would have seen that I was saying that what we really need is a more frank and honest conversation about racial identity and the Apartheid legacy - but we need to actually talk TO one another, rather than talking past each other and immediately taking offence at some perceived slight (like the Jacaranda listeners did when Morake tried to explain what post-Apartheid SA is like to those black people who - 25 years after the fact - have seen no discernible change in their lives). So we certainly agree on that point.