text: You are being intentionally obtuse.
  
  I will use smaller words.
  
  I think anyone who wants anyone else to reduce their carbon footprint should lead by example.
  
  To fail to do so is hypocrisy.
  
  Neither of the two I have been discussing this with have indicated in any way that they have chosen to do so.
  
  me>you talks about 'improved technology' to avoid the issue.  skeezix wandered off into satire and also avoided the question.
  
  You say some people (not identifying  yourself as one of them) have chosen minor things to improve but you guys all still seem to want those strawberries and fresh fruits in the winter no matter the carbon cost, as near as I can tell.