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# 1998-02-21 - The Eloquence of Timothy C. May

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>From the archives.  Check for yourself if you don't believe me.

9 May 1997:
> Chiles and his co-conspirators should be shot for high crimes against the
> Constitution. After Clinton, Freeh, Kerrey, and the other traitors.
>
> Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right thing.
> Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all that.

12 Nov 1997:
> At 10:37 PM -0700 11/12/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote:
> >There are RC4 sourcecode in ftp.replay.com.
> >but, Is it  same RC4 developed RSADSI ?
> >
>
> It am developed.
>
> You go back where you came.  We tired your stupid
> questions on RC4 and your Misty posts.
>
> Sayonara!
>
> (And they wonder why we kicked Japan's butt.)
>
> --Tim May

26 Sep 1997:
> At 8:00 PM -0700 9/26/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote:
> >Does anybody want MISTY algorithm ?
> >If you want it,Please send e-mail to me.
> >
>
> I thought we got rid of your sorry ass two weeks ago!
>
> Go back to trying to arrange "male penpals," which Dejanews shows to be
> your activity on the Net prior to this recent playing of Misty.
>
> You go, chop chop.

Sad, isn't it?

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I would like to know the information my browser makes available to web sites. I use both Netscape and Internet Explorer.

Obviously web sites can determine my IP address for any given session; they can also look at cookies left by themselves and other sites.

Can anyone point me to where I can learn exactly what other information is made available (browser version?, OS version?, system name?, user name?, etc.)?

Thanks in advance.

David

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> >I call things as I see them. I've heard no spin-doctoring, just reports
> >of the child's behavior, admitted by her father.
>
> So one temper-tantrum by a 5 year old and its off to the BigHouse on
> Felony Assault Charges??

>From the sound if it; this was not "one tantrum", but a pattern of
behavior that the parents failed to address after being requested to do so.

Would you want your children class with another child who repeatedly went
into room-smashing rages with no appearant consequences for such behavior???

Sounds like the parents failed to "get around to" the counseling, and the
school forced the issue.

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On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Information Security wrote:

>   >   From: sunder<EMAIL_ADDRESS>>   >
>   >   1)From: "George Martin"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>>   >   Subject: News Release: High-Tech Surveillance
>   >
>   >   Here's a sampling of how state and federal agencies are using this
>   >   terrifying technology to spy on Americans:
>   >
>   >   * In North Carolina, county governments use high-resolution spy satellite
>   >   photographs to search for property improvements that might increase
>   >   property tax assessments.
>
>Was this cost authorized by taxpayers?
>

I have lived in Raleigh, North Carolina my entire life (over 30 yrs).
County governments consist of an elected board of commissioners who have
the power to make such decisions and expenditures without holding public
hearings on these matters.  Unless the local media jumps on one of these
proposals weeks in advance, nobody will even know about it or have an
opportunity to petition for a public hearing.  Once the county
commisioners vote on and approve it, our money is spent and the public has
no recourse (until the next election).  Here in Raleigh, Wake County, NC,
for instance, we have a Republican county commissioner and a board of
members.  When I heard from his daughter, a personal friend, about his
plans to cut funding to drug education and rehab programs and redirect all
of those funds to the county prison system, I decided to act.  I contacted
the commissioner himself, his office, and even had lunch with his wife and
daughter to discuss this issue.  As a family friend, I thought I would at
least be able to get a friendly, receptive ear.  His wife and daughter
were in full agreement with me, but the commissioner dismissed all of my
suggestions and pleas.  In fact, he told me that I was "high on crack" for
even suggesting that he *not* cut spending to drug education and rehab
programs.  i then appealed to the media, the public, and various county
drug rehab and education facilities and tried to petition for public
hearings on the issue.  After getting stonewalled by the GOP-controlled
county board of commissioners, funding to drug rehab and education
programs was cut by over 50%.  Since that time (two years ago), drug
arrests and convictions, violent crime, murder, non-violent crimes,
and admissions to treatment centers have all risen, in all of the basic
statistical measurement categories.

Wake county taxes have increased dramatically (almost 50%), and we have
just completed building a new county jail and several county jail annex
facilities.  In both percentage and numbers, our county jail population is
at the highest rate it has ever been.

On a related note, seven of the Wake county sherriff's deputies, who all
had laptop computers (with Internet access) in their cruisers, were
recently busted for spending all of their time on the clock surfing the
web and going to porno websites and adult chatrooms.  One of the deputies
has been arrested for using a sherriff's department scanner to scan in a
picture of his genitals which he then sent to a young girl, a minor, from
his cruiser while on duty.

Additionally, the officer in charge of the weapons armory for the
sherriff's department, which contains full-auto weapons such as the HK MP5
and the M16, was recently dismissed because it was discovered that he had
been spending all of his time on the clock in another section of the
building surfing adult sites on the web.  Meanwhile, the armory was left
unlocked, deputies were unable to get their weapons serviced within a
reasonable period of time, and an M16 "disappeared".

My tax dollars at work...

>
>No amount of control over the population is enough for the U.S. Government.
>---guy
>

Next...i'll fill you in on some of the more interesting discoveries I made
while working for the NC Dept of Crime Control and Public Safety.  They
don't need satellites to watch you here in Raleigh...they have hi-tech,
hi-res cameras perched on top of all the tallest buildings, in the
projects, at selected street corners, and various other points.

so much for your privacy...

TATTOOMAN

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    [snip]

>but the US refused for a long time to sign the CBW treaties, and I'm not
>sure they ever did follow through and destroy their supplies.
>				Thanks!
>					Bill

    they built an enormous incinerator in Utah near the Nevada border
    in the area of Dugway, but not within that restricted zone. it went
    operation about 18-24 months ago, was closed last year for
    verification of contamination (Utah and EPA obviously against it),
    and as far as I know, it's opeartional and doing its thing.

    the govt was also building a facility in the south pacific; maybe
    on what's left of Bimini or one nearby which are within the
    protectorate --no idea what the status of that one is except
    Greenpeace was doing their usual howling about transporting
    the stuff both in the US and across the big pond --they were
    planning on exporting the stuff through the port at Oakland
    Navy Yard.

    one of the largest caches of obsolete stuff used to be in
    the old munitions bunkers just south of Long Beach between
    the freeway and the ocean --if not seal beach, then huntington
    beach --the bunkers were for the Long Beach naval ship yard
    and the port of LA.  have no idea what the status is as that
    was years ago --you can see the bunkers from the freeway --they
    go on for a couple miles.

    we did not want the incinerator on Utah, and are not too
    enthused about the reactivation of Dugway as a "more secure"
    Area 51 --it is, and much harder to access with no visibility
    points that plagued area 51.

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At 12:11 PM -0500 on 2/20/98, Bill Stewart wrote:

> Heh - West Coast Cypherpunks end up on Japanese TV :-)

So do Anguillan ones. And Boston ones, but they get edited out for talking
too much. And not having the requisite goatee ;-). Anyway, when they do pay
attention to these things moneypunks are more interested places in like
Financial Times, Institutional Investor, and of course Forbes. :-). Nikkei,
which is the Japanese equivalent of the Wall Street Journal, will do.  Of
course, J. Pierpont Morgan hired a PR man to keep J. P. Morgan & Co., Inc.,
*out* of the papers. I expect that'll happen soon enough... :-).

> Good article.

Thank you.

> If you're trying to emphasize the financial stuff,
> moving it up to the beginning would help, but I don't know the audience
> you wrote it for.

There were three lists, each with it's own group of paid ringers. One about
the net in general, with Rheingold on it, one on the net in Asia, with no
one I recognised, and one on net commerce, with me. :-). I was just warming
them all up for the next rant, which will be more on finance, with the
stuff at the end. That rant will only go to the commerce list.

> _Bell_ Labs,

Oops. Drag. Even a spelling checker would have caught that one...

> However, the Electro-Mechanical telephone switch was Not Invented Here -

I know the story about the mortician. The point I was trying to make was
that AT&T were "incentivized", by the cost of regulation, certainly, but
mostly by economics in general, to automate switching, not that they
invented the electromechanical switch in particular.

> The difficulty, of course, is that geodesic markets with bearer
> instruments make it easy to do business anonymously - so everyone
> may know that fraud was committed, but not know who committed it.

Actually, with anonymous bearer settlement, like with blind signatures, you
still need a perfect pseudonym to clear the trade, which, modulo a few
biometric peculiarities which I wrote a 40k rant about here in December
:-), is perfect anonymity. That pseudonym can have reputation, which is
(roughly) orthogonal to the biometric identity of the person owning that
pseudonym's private key.

Anyway, the whole point to bearer-settled transactions is that you're
trusting the issuer as far as the integrity of the certificates themselves
are concerned. First by the financial reputation of the issuer, and then by
the ability to inspect and validate the certificates when they're exchanged.

Since we haven't figured out a way to do a workable offline protocol,
modulo hints of one on the FC98 program :-), the problem of inspection is
handled by using an on-line protocol, which, in the case of Chaum,
essentially issues new, but blinded, certificates in the "name" of the
public key accepting them for payment or receipt. For larger value
transactions, anyway. The whole issue of doing a transaction offline with
current bearer settlement technology is obviously a question of financial
risk. I claim that the cost of bearer protocols, even when you reissue
blinded bearer certificates for every transaction, will still be cheaper
than book-entry settlement. It'll certainly be faster to clear and settle.

The exception to this, of course, is micropayments, where hash collision
tokens like MicroMint and hashcash, will probably be tested stocastically
for double spending, and expiration and other thing will probably handle
the rest. Since these will eventually be device-level payment systems, I
expect that fraudulent devices will have a harder time operating if their
reputation goes than people will, but maybe not.

The problem of the reputation of the issuer is simply a matter of
demonstrating nonperformance of the obligation represented by the bearer
certificate.

Which brings us to the parties using the certificates for exchange. I
expect the functional anonymity of blinded bearer protocols will be good
enough, but, like I said before, if someone wants to accept
second-generation offline blinded certificates in payment, their
willingness to do so is a function of financial risk. More to the point,
the reciever can test these certificates, and the person who offers them
for exchange is simply out their value if they turn out to be double spent,
so the risk is actually borne by the spender, same as it ever was.

Finally, there's the issue of fraud outside the integrity of bearer
certificates. Again, it's a function of financial risk. For low value
transactions, even the use of a perfect pseudonym is not necessary, and you
could use utterly anonymous transaction. However, I expect that persistant
perfect pseudonymity will be the rule, and that it will be functional
enough anonymity (modulo the biometric problems of transaction analysis I
talked about in December) for even the most decerning cypherpunk.

> The lack of need for accounts and reputation capital is part of what
> makes geodesic markets financially advantageous.  On the other hand,
> reconciling these differences is complex enough that cryptographers
> and financial folks can make big bucks getting it right :-)

Say 'amen', somebody. :-). If, as I claim, digital bearer settlement can
reduce the cost of transactions by three orders of magnitude over all forms
of book-entry settlement, then we'll have no choice to adopt them. As
people quite familiar with Moore's Law, we all know how much money can be
made when you reduce the cost of doing something so much. The rest, of
course, will be history. :-).

Cheers,

-----------------
Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com), Philodox
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In<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on 02/20/98
   at 09:48 PM, Bill Stewart<EMAIL_ADDRESS>said:

>>   at 03:00 AM, Anonymous<EMAIL_ADDRESS>said:
>>>Use mail readers that don't automatically process HTML and
>>>connect to image servers, accept cookies, or run javascripts.  You are
>>>being watched by tricky defective, er, detective types. es.
>>
>>Several things here:
>>
>At 02:32 AM 2/18/98 -0500, William H. Geiger III wrote:
>>1.  If multipart/alternative
>>is used it is tolarable but pure text/html messages go into the bitbucket
>>with a autoreply explaining to the poster the error of their ways. :)

>HTML is a fine format for email.  It's ASCII readable, and supports
>content description tags that the user's mail reader can render as
>bold/italic/underline/header-levels//color/etc.  It's far superior to
>using bloated undocumented Microsoft Word attachments. 95% of the HTML
>email I get IS spam, but that's a separate problem :-) (After all,
>SPAMMERs like bright colored blinking attention-getting mail.)

 E-Mail is a messaging protocol
not a protocol for large documents (HTML is not sutable for large
documents either but that is for another rant).

WARNING: This is the only time you will see me say somthing good about
MickySloth.

I must admit that atleast MS Outlook follows the RFC's and makes use of
multipart/alternative when sending out HTML formated messages so others
are not forced to use a webbrowser to read their mail (unlike Net$cape or
Eudora).

There is no place for HTML in e-mail plain and simple.  Netsacpe has done a good job at screwing up the web we really
>>don't need the same favor from them with e-mail.

>Netscape mail is adequate for many people, just as Eudora is. Newer
>versions are pretty bloated, but including S/MIME mail encryption for
>everybody is a Good Thing.

Now this is really scary.  I think you need to sit down and rethink
this one Bill.

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In<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on 02/20/98
   at 08:30 PM, Tim May<EMAIL_ADDRESS>said:

>At 6:29 PM -0800 2/20/98, William H. Geiger III wrote:

>>No not at all. We have some serious problems with the County Sherifs
>>Department down here.
>>

>I'm having a hard time understanding all this criticism of the actions.
>>From what I've read, the girl bit, scratched, threw chairs, etc.

>Many of us think 13- and 14-year-olds who commit murder should be
>executed (well, I do), so why should younger children be exempt from
>legal action?

Well I think that we have a large gap between a 5 year old little girl
having a temper tantrum and a teanager gangbanger going and shooting
people.

>I know that if a kid was throwing chairs at me I'd be tempted to throw a
>punch back...something that is strictly verboten. Lawsuits, criminal
>prosecution, never work in the school system again, that sort of
>verboten.

Well you have definatly jumped off the deep end on this one Tim. If we
were talking a teenager going out of control then I would agree with you.
A 5 year old though??

>If a teacher can't defend herself, legally and professionally, from
>children biting and throwing chairs, the cops have to be called.

If a teacher can not subdue and control a 5 year old little girl without
resorting to physical violence or calling in the storm troopers it's time
to look for another line of work.

>And from what I've heard about this little girl, it's beginning to sound
>like she ought to be put down like a dog that can't stop biting. Or at
>least kicked out of the school completely...perhaps a reform school will
>straighten her out.

When have you ever been so quick to blindly believe the spindoctoring of
the government Tim?

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Timothy May wrote:

>(One can asssume that with more and more such things being added to the
>"watch lists" each year, that there will be less acceptance of cash, or
>anonymous digital cash, for such purchases.)

I tried to buy some chemicals down here with cash about six months ago. They
tried everything they could to get me to write a check and in the end I
stormed out of the building, leaving the merchandise on the counter. I
haven't been back yet, and there's probably a good chance that the security
camera footage was sent to the FBI. Come to think of it, that would explain
some rather wierd incidents I've observed since then.

People say that the only reason to pay in cash is if you have something to
hide. You're damned right. The last thing I want is a bunch of government
shills keeping track of what I buy so that they can stage some raid because
they have a record of me paying for a beaker "which could be used" to mix
chemicals which "could be used" as explosives, or metal "which could be
used" to make thermite which "could be used" for some nefarious purpose.

In America today if you have interests in biology, chemistry, or physics it
is considered grounds by both the government and the pathetic sheep to shoot
you. Pardon me if I'm a little bit paranoid these days. It used to be
intellectuals were just beat up and made fun of by the others in schools.

The American people consider anybody who does things in secret to be
automatically guilty. Forget the principles that America was founded on! When
the government sends the ninjas into your home because you were going 56 mph
when you passed a cop on the highway and looked over at him the wrong way
they sieze your computer. They find that you're running Linux. Oooh, you
must be evil because your computer is password protected but the Microshaft
apologist across the hall has his computer wide open.

It's a sad, sad state of affairs.

>ObMinorNote: I recently tried to buy a bag of ammonium nitrate for my
>yard...the local yard store says it hasn't been available to ordinary
>customers since OKC. I had to settle for ammonium sulfate instead.

 Why do you need to buy ammonium nitrate to
make a bomb?

Assuming you just don't use something else which is more effective, why not
do this?

Then if they don't have anything to charge you with they plant some drugs in
your toilet tank and claim that you were in "possession of drugs with
intention to distribute." Of course you were going to distribute them!  Instead of dealing with the danger on a personal basis, we are
>using the government as our nanny, and also letting it record our
>purchases, open files on us for "unusual" purchases, and generally track
>our actions. Which actually won't have much effect on dedicated terrorists
>and criminals.

Exactly. Welcome to the shakedown extortion police state known as Amerika,
Land of the Freeh.

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At 6:13 AM -0800 2/21/98, William H. Geiger III wrote:

>Well you have definatly jumped off the deep end on this one Tim. If we
>were talking a teenager going out of control then I would agree with you.
>A 5 year old though??
>
>>If a teacher can't defend herself, legally and professionally, from
>>children biting and throwing chairs, the cops have to be called.
>
>If a teacher can not subdue and control a 5 year old little girl without
>resorting to physical violence or calling in the storm troopers it's time
>to look for another line of work.

My sister teaches Kindergarten/first grade in the LA County School
District, specifically, Inglewood (shudder). She is forbidden to:

- physically touch the children in any way

- discipline them in any meaningful way

- flunk them if they fail to behave or learn what is supposedly required

("Flunking Kindergarten" is tough, so where this rule really become
significant is in the higher grades, where all kids are promoted, even
those who can't read, can't add, etc.)

My sister says the teachers have zero power to do anything, and the kids
know it.

>When have you ever been so quick to blindly believe the spindoctoring of
>the government Tim?
>

Spare me the casual insults.

I call things as I see them. I've heard no spin-doctoring, just reports of
the child's behavior, admitted by her father.

--Tim May

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Sure, check out:  http://www.autobahn.org/main/addr.shtml

What year is it? 1984? hehhehe

Lates...

At 05:51 AM 2/21/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I would like to know the information my browser makes available to web
sites. I use both Netscape and Internet Explorer.
>
>Obviously web sites can determine my IP address for any given session;
they can also look at cookies left by themselves and other sites.
>
>Can anyone point me to where I can learn exactly what other information is
made available (browser version?, OS version?, system name?, user name?,
etc.)?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>David
>

Joshua Kunken
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At 9:23 AM -0800 2/20/98, Bill Stewart wrote:

>They'd also be focusing on the great job they've done eliminating the
>entire US stock of CBW and nukes.  Oh, we haven't?  Well their weapons
>of mass destruction are Evil, and ours are Freedom Fighting Tools.
>Actually the US and Former Soviet Union have substantially reduced the
>nuclear forces, especially older missiles that are hard to maintain,
>but the US refused for a long time to sign the CBW treaties,
>and I'm not sure they ever did follow through and destroy their supplies.

Nixon made a very big deal of signing some papers which would supposedly
get rid of CBW supplies and research. This was back in 1972.

(I remember this clearly, because I was in college and my roomates and I,
all libertarians, hooted when the supposedly eliminated CBW weapons got
loose at Dugway Proving Grounds and killed a bunch of sheeple (er, "sheep")
in Utah...and an excellent and rage-inspiring movie with George C. Scott,
"Rage," had a similar theme. Highly recommended, if you can find it.)

What really happened is that a bunch of military bacteriological warfare
facilities were turned over to the private sector. Oh, and renamed "cancer
research," which looked good to the sheeple, as Nixon had just declared a
War on Cancer.

So, Litton Bionetics took a big piece, the National Cancer Institute
formally took over some of the military's labs (but the staff remained
unchanged, and some of the military brass "retired" to these
now-civilianized facilities), and things went on as usual. Well, not "as
usual," as it appears the secret side of governtment drastically stepped-up
work on biological and chemical weapons.

And the stockpiles still exist, of course. Some are corroding inside VX
warheads near Hanford, Washington (a good place to be far away from). Some
are stockpiled in Germany, apparently too dangerous to even move. And some
are no doubt stockpiled in lots of other places.

Here's a little personal story:

I worked for two summers in one of the labs probably related to this whole
thing. I worked in an immunology lab in the summers of 1969 and 1970,
working on immunoassay methods. My job was mundane, to run experiments
directed by others, to bleed mice for their serum, to run centrifuges, and
so on. Others in the lab worked with monkeys, on cancer, and hepatitus.
Yep, we had one of the first clean rooms in the nation, with double
airlocks, devoted to Hepatitus B (I think it was). All of this in a
nondescript warehouse building in Springfield, Virginia, just down Highway
95 from Washington. The company was initially Melpar, then the lab was spun
off into Melloy Labs. Some of the labs, Melpar at least, were sold to
E-Systems, the spook/SIGINT private contractor.

(For those who live, or lived, in the D.C. area, here are a few more
details. The lab was originally at the Arlington Boulevard facility of
Melpar, near the intersection with the Beltway. The biological labs were
spun-off and moved to West Springfield in 1970.)

I hadn't thought about this work for many years, until in the past couple
of years I've been reading up on the history of AIDS and the military's
work on monkey viruses. (Books, "Hot Zone," "AIDS, Ebola, and Emerging
Viruses," "Mary, Ferry, and the Monkey Virus," etc.)

It turns out that the period 1969-73 was a period of "privatizing" much
research that the military had formerly done. Several labs affiliated with
defense contractors were actively working with monkey cultures, and
maintaining contacts with Fort Detrick, the NIH, and the NCI. One figure
that stands out in this time period is Dr. Robert Gallo, who later achieved
fame for his HIV discovery (prior credit is often given to the French head
of the Pasteur Institute, Dr. Luc M.). I honestly have no way of recalling
if Gallo was circulating through our lab, or if the doctors I worked for
(Dr. Anne Jackson and Dr. Frederick Hyams) had contact with him.

As I learn more about this period, and the links between Hepatitus-B, AIDS,
and the timing of the big AIDS/HIV outbreak in the late 70s and early 80s,
I can't help wondering if the lab I worked in was involved in this whole
affair. A lot of things match up closely, and the absorbtion of Melpar into
E-Systems is part of the coincidences.

But all of this was a long time ago, before many of you were born.

The larger issue is that the spook side of government is only the tip of
the iceberg. For every $600 million "unindentified" building out past
Dulles Airport, eventually identified as the new headquarters of the
supersecret National Reconnaissance Organization (NRO), there are many
times as many "contractors" and "subcontractors" doing work too sensitive
even for the government to do. In fact, the unknown huge building in the
Virginia countryside was officially labelled as a Rockwell building, if I
recall correctly.)

(Readers may be familiar with Wackenhut, Science Applications, MITRE, etc.
Besides the large aerospace companies, all with large spook divisions, and
all with outlying offices doing work that few in the parent companies are
even cleared to know about.)

This is precisely the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us
about in his Farewell Speech, and that Washington in effect warned us about
in _his_ speech, when he warned about foreign entanglements and foreign
wars.

Footnote: Did the U.S. government and its subcontractors develop HIV as a
biological weapon? To be tested in Africa, as some suggest? Or was it an
accident, an accident let out of the labs of the Naval Health Sciences labs
(later Litton Bionetics) the East Bay of the Bay Area (site of many early
AIDS cases)? Or is it true that HIV viruses have been found in biological
specimens preserved for 40 years? And even if some HIV-like viruses existed
in nature, could the U.S. have isolated it and concentrated it in those
labs doing the work I described in the early 70s?

I don't know the answer to these questions. As my favorite researcher into
these matters puts it, "Food for thought and grounds for further research."
(Dave Emory, whose tapes can be bought. Use web search engines to find URLs
if interested.)

One thing I know for sure, the "secret" side of government is far larger
than most people think.

--Tim May

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You spammed to the Cypherpunks list:

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Those of you who are parents of toddlers and have watched in horror as
other parents seem to have zero control over their children, would
understand why the school reacted this way.  Getting the police involved
may not necessarily be the "right" thing to do, but there is a LOT of
pressure on public schools to be passive or suffer the wrath of
child-abuse lawsuits.

There are many times when they respond with "we don't do things that way
..." when they should just send the kid home.  There is no middle ground
where both the school and the parents are happy, unless the parents
really care and participate.  Getting the police involved was probably
just a way for the teachers and/or the administrators to pass the buck
to someone else because they feel powerless to deal with the situation.

(Isn't this a bit off topic?  But for the police part?)

Ern

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Jim Choate<EMAIL_ADDRESS>	Sent:	Friday, February 20, 1998 7:09 PM
	To<EMAIL_ADDRESS>	Subject:	Pensacola Police have lost their mind!! (fwd)

	Forwarded message:

	> From: "William H. Geiger III"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>	> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 20:27:22 -0500
	> Subject: Pensacola Police have lost their mind!!

	> I don't know if this story has reached the AP wire or not but
today the
	> brave defenders of the faith here in Pensacola, FL have done
their sworn
	> duty to protect us all by arresting a 5yr old on assault
charges (againts
	> one of the Adult staff of the school).

	It made it to CNN.

	> These are the same brave soles who a few months ago when
confronted by a
	> man sitting in his car with a gun to his head solved this
problem by
	> riddeling his car, surrounding buildings, and a McDonalds
playground with
	> over 100 rounds.
	>
	> As soon as I have some more information on this I will post a
full report.

	Their story was that the child had a behavioral problem and the
parents
	refused to get counceling when the school requested. She
apparently goes on
	room smashing temper tantrums on a regular basis. The father of
the child
	said it was the most ludicrous thing he had ever heard of,
reportedly.

	Can't say that changes the situation a heck of a lot though...

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> > Tim May<EMAIL_ADDRESS>said...

=snip=

> > In Feinstein's view, ``This whole information thing is moving so
> > fast that one has to be sure that kids are protected,'' she said.
> > ``I'm concerned when kids blow themselves up by building bombs (they
> > learned to make) by reading things in the encyclopedia. There is a
> > philosophy that anything goes. This is why I support the repeal of
> > the First Amendment and prison terms for thought criminals."

> She's a buffoon who is probably the first one who'll be sent to the wall
> if there's ever a Second American Revolution.

> As for her concern about Social Security numbers being posted online, did
> it ever occur to her and her ilk that perhaps the problem is the
> widespread use of SS numbers by increasing numbers of government
> agencies, by requirements that banks use them, by requirements that motor
> vehicle departments use them, and so on?

> "Duh."

> The solution is not a new set of laws to felonize information like this,
> but the elimination of the SS number as a universal identifier. Far too
> late for that, of course, but Fineswine's laws won't help anybody. In
> fact, law enforcement will continue its abuse of SS numbers, its role in
> falsifying records and official documents, and so on.

Along similar lines, the state of texas recently (last year) made it
illegal to post information such as drivers license numbers and whatnot on
the net. The company that was doing so promptly moved its web server from
dallas to antigua. Gee, seems like they had an effective law eh?

The problem is, the company was getting the information from the state in
the first place. Anyone with a bit of cash can buy the entire drivers
license database from the state of texas on CD-rom. Rather than
criminalizing private actions, it would have been much better for the state
to just =stop selling the information=! The databases already held would
quickly become stale, and the problem would pretty much go away.

The state sees such things as revenue streams they are intitled to. Even
though citizen-units cannot opt out of the database, they will sell it to
anyone who has the $$$ they are asking for it.

This is a great example of exactly how much respect a government agency has
for your privacy.

For instance, here is the information contained on George Bush's drivers
license...

Name: BUSH,GEORGE HERBERT
License number: 000173204
Address:  9 S West Oak Dr
Date of birth: 6/12/24
City/Zip code:> HOUSTON 77056-2121
Gender: MaleRace: White
Height: 6.01
Weight: 190 pounds
Eye color: Gray
Hair: Brown
Last transaction date: 3/30/93
Last transaction: Renewal

> Let's try to be sure DiFi is in D.C. when Abu Nidal makes his move.

Let's hope it takes place during a state of the union speech.

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We've been having some interesting discussions in scruz.general, my local
newsgroup. (We get together every few months for a "scruzfest," so a sense
of community amonst the discussants has been emerging. I probably now know
more folks by sight in scruz.general than I know Cypherpunks.)

I will forward a couple of my articles.

>X-From_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Fri Feb 20 19:22:21 1998
>X-Delivered: at request of tcmay on always
>Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:25:17 -0800
>From<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Tim May)
>To<EMAIL_ADDRESS>>Subject: Re: speaking of tax dollars at work...
>Newsgroups: scruz.general
>Organization: None
>
>In article<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Dirt Devil) wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I am actually on somewhat shakey ground in agreeing with Tim's desire
>> to hold to the BOR, simply because they have been so perferated.
>>
>
>Sure the Amendments have been perforated, but they're all we have left.
>Even now, as various laws try to close in on controlling speech, the First
>Amendment's crystal clear "Congress shall make no law..." language is all
>we have to hold back the tide.
>
>(And it is _still_ a battle, with Brandeis' "shouting "Fire!" in a crowded
>theater" being used to justify all manner of speech restrictions.)
>
>As for the Second, equally crystal clear, the record is even shabbier.
>>From outright bans on ownership of weapons in New York, to restrictions in
>California, to moves for confiscation of all guns, the tide is _barely_
>being held back.  (As Heather noted in her earlier message, all the
>folderol about the Second referring to a state-run militia, like the
>National Guard, is pure nonsense: the Founders were worried about the
>citizenry being able to fight back, and understood that only free men are
>allowed to possess weaponry.)
>
>In all cases where there is no crystal clear, solid, indisputable,
>"Congress shall make no law..."  language, the statist and professional
>bureaucrats, aided by foolish and short-sighted voters, whittle away the
>freedoms and rights of us all.
>
>The Bill of Rights ain't enough, but it's all we've got.
>
>And it's going fast.
>
>--Tim May
>
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Another article I wrote for scruz.general.

>X-From_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Sat Feb 21 12:54:42 1998
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>In article<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:34:16 -0800<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Tim May) wrote:
>>
>> >Cruzans,
>> >
>> >Here's one of my articles to the Cypherpunks list, a list FBI Director
>> >Louis Freeh recently denounced as being a haven for information
>> >terrorists.   Should we stop sanctions and let the Middle East worry about
>> him?  Should we continue sanctions?  Should we forget about UN
>> inspections?
>
>1. Nothing.  Sanctions almost never work. Sanctions for 38 years on Cuba have had
>almost no effect on Castro except to consolidate his position. (Much as I
>may dislike Castro's policies, no American should be threatened with jail
>time for committing the "crime" of travelling to Cuba, or selling stuff
>they own to Cubans, or buying Cuban cigars, etc. In a free country, which
>neither the U.S. nor Cuba are, one does not criminalize actions which do
>not directly harm other persons.)
>
>3. Bombing Iraq will be unlikely to work this time any more than last
>time(s). I have no energy to recount the info being provided on CNN and
>elsewhere, but consider that the weapons inspectors themselves claimed
>that their work over the past half dozen years had more effect on getting
>rid of weapons than the bombing campaign in 1991 did. Assuming they're not
>lying, how, pray tell, does a lesser bombing than 1991 then solve the
>putative problem?
>
>4. As for the "putative problem," it is indeed putative. So Iraq has
>"weapons of mass destruction." So does Iran. So does Syria. So does
>Israel. And so on, for most of the countries in the world. (Let us not
>rant about how Iraq used WOMD on its own people, or on the Kurds. The Sovs
>used WOMD on the Afghanis...did we threaten to bomb them? How about the
>Chinese? And so on.
>
>5. I repeat, it ain't our problem. Washington (the President, not the
>pesthole) warned us to avoid foreign entanglements and foreign wars, and
>yet the U.S. squanders its money and its soldiers' lives in dozens of
>foreign wars.
>
>(There hasn't been a legitimate war since the Revolution, possibly since
>the War of 1812, in my view.)
>
>>
>> I find myself in the middle on this one.  On the one hand, I think
>> Saddam's a threat to neighboring countries (particularly Kuwait),
>> although I don't know how big a threat.  On the other hand, I agree
>> with you that America should not be Cop of the World.
>
>Countries invade other countries frequently. I didn't see us going to war
>with the Soviet Union over Afghanistan. I didn't see us going to war with
>Israel when it (several times) invaded and occupied the southern part of
>Lebanon.
>
>Ah, but the U.S. likes wars with _little_ countries. Panama, which we
>invaded because our CIA-installed leader was taking too large a share of
>the drug trade. Grenada, because it distracted attention from the 240
>Americans killed a few days before in Lebanon. Nicaragua, because we
>didn't like the leader the people had elected. Somalia, for reasons no one
>seems to be able to articulate. Bosnia, because the Europeans, in whose
>backyard the Balkan states are, decided not to bother.
>
>And so it goes.
>
>--Tim May
>
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>Higher Power: 2^3,021,377   | black markets, collapse of governments.
>

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The last, for now, of the articles.

--Tim

>X-From_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Sat Feb 21 13:11:09 1998
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>Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:14:07 -0800
>From<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Tim May)
>To<EMAIL_ADDRESS>>Subject: Re: Anthrax--The Four Horsemen are Riding
>Newsgroups: scruz.general
>Organization: None
>
>In article<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>wrote:
>
>> In article<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Bob
>> O`Brien) wrote:
>>
>> > In article<EMAIL_ADDRESS>>> ><EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>wrote:
>> > >
>> > >It seems Clinton has backed himself into a corner on the situation,
>> > >and now has the choice of bombing Iraq or backing down from threats of
>> > >bombing Iraq.  Both are losing propositions.
>> > >
>> > >I'm also interested in hearing everyone else's opinions, as well,
>> > >since I'm still trying to form one.
>> > >
>> >
>> > At the end of the last "war", Saddam _personally_agreed_ to
>> > the UN's plan that would have accomplished all the inspections
>> > IN FIFTEEN DAYS.
>> >
>> > [Bob's for military action agains Iraq]
>>
>> If the UN had accomplished the inspections in fifteen days, would they
>> have been done and not done any more inspections?
>
>
>The realpolik of it all is that the last thing the "Oil Patch" wants is
>Iraq pumping a couple million barrels of oil and selling it on the world
>market.
>
>When oil prices plummeted in the mid-80s, Texas was hit hardly. Texas oil
>men were wiped out, refineries were closed, and the seeds of the S&L
>collapse were nurtured. (The seeds of the S&L collapse were of course
>planted when the government agreed to bail out banks and S&Ls, regardless
>of the risks they took.)
>
>Many of George Bush's friends, and even his own investments (Zapata, for
>example), were affected.
>
>Iraq was expected to pump more of the oil from the disputed oilfields than
>the Kuwaitis were willing to pump.
>
>As the war evolved, oil prices went up, and the Texans were partly saved.
>
>Having any final settlement of the Iraqi situation, and thus having them
>further depress the world oil price, would be unacceptable to the Oil
>Boys.
>
>Oil prices have been falling again, even with Iraq out of the oil market.
>Prices for light sweet crude are down to around $16 a barrel, maybe less.
>Texas is feeling the pinch again.
>
>A coincidence that the saber rattling suddenly is picking up?
>
>Wouldn't it be great for the Oil Boys if a war with Iraq spread, and maybe
>took out the Kuwaiti and even Saudi oil fields? Oil at $30 a barrel would
>shure be a purty sight to them good ole boys.
>
>Call me a cynic, but nothing is as simple as the sheeple are being led to
>believe.
>
>--Tim May
>
>--
>Just Say No to "Big Brother Inside"
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>Higher Power: 2^3,021,377   | black markets, collapse of governments.
>

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In<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on 02/21/98
   at 10:22 AM, Tim May<EMAIL_ADDRESS>said:

>At 6:13 AM -0800 2/21/98, William H. Geiger III wrote:

>>Well you have definatly jumped off the deep end on this one Tim. If we
>>were talking a teenager going out of control then I would agree with you.
>>A 5 year old though??
>>
>>>If a teacher can't defend herself, legally and professionally, from
>>>children biting and throwing chairs, the cops have to be called.
>>
>>If a teacher can not subdue and control a 5 year old little girl without
>>resorting to physical violence or calling in the storm troopers it's time
>>to look for another line of work.

>My sister teaches Kindergarten/first grade in the LA County School
>District, specifically, Inglewood (shudder). She is forbidden to:

>- physically touch the children in any way

>- discipline them in any meaningful way

>- flunk them if they fail to behave or learn what is supposedly required

>("Flunking Kindergarten" is tough, so where this rule really become
>significant is in the higher grades, where all kids are promoted, even
>those who can't read, can't add, etc.)

>My sister says the teachers have zero power to do anything, and the kids
>know it.

Well looks like she needs either to move or look at a career change.

Yes the laws in CA are fucked that does not excuse the actions here in FL
by the school and the local stormtroopers.

>>When have you ever been so quick to blindly believe the spindoctoring of
>>the government Tim?
>>

>Spare me the casual insults.

>I call things as I see them. I've heard no spin-doctoring, just reports
>of the child's behavior, admitted by her father.

So one temper-tantrum by a 5 year old and its off to the BigHouse on
Felony Assault Charges??

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In<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on 02/21/98
   at 01:45 PM<EMAIL_ADDRESS>said:

>The problem is, the company was getting the information from the state in
> the first place. Anyone with a bit of cash can buy the entire drivers
>license database from the state of texas on CD-rom. Rather than
>criminalizing private actions, it would have been much better for the
>state  to just =stop selling the information=! The databases already held
>would  quickly become stale, and the problem would pretty much go
>away.

No the solution is to remove the power of the State to collect the
information in the first place. I don't want anyone to have this
information regardless if it be in private hands or some government
buracrats hands.

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on or about 980220:2144, in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>
    Bill Stewart<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was purported to have
    expostulated to perpetuate an opinion:

    [snip]
>...
>>    absolutely. misplaced criticism and a personal offense to me
>>    as well as all other servicemen.

>Sending US soldiers in to do a fool's errand like that should offend you
>even more.
>
    absolutely, the government has obviously offended me more by
    its incredible stupidity: Vietnam, Somalia, Panama,
    Honduras, and the rest of their ill-conceived police actions
    and meddling; installing Khadafi, Hussein, the Shah, Nasser,
    whatever his name is in Syria, etc.; and now, the incredible
    attempt of Bubba to cover his domestic problems of an
    insatiable wandering dick with a "surgical" strike on the
    long suffering Iraqi population who will again be the
    collateral damage which doesn't happen (at least in theory).

    all the U.S. gains is an Iraqi population who hate the U.S.
    even more for our stupidity and therefore turn to Saddam who
    at least gives them pride, even if it does not feed their
    children --not to mention the enmity of the rest of the Arab
    world. even Iran is supporting Iraq which ought to tell us
    something.

    Pax Americana --yeah, Americana it is, but where's the Pax?

    if Bubba's going to press the button, he might as well press
    the big one and leave everything east of the beaches in Tel
    Aviv, all the way to Burma, a glass parking lot.

    out of the ashes of Iraq and the American morality, dont be
    surprised to see the man in the blue turban rise like the
    phoenix...

>And telling a free people that they should give up the guns
>they protect their families with because
>the UN will take care of protecting them is an offense to them.
>
    well, as I said: I have no regrets for what I did, but I
    sure as hell have regrets for whom I did the deeds. the
    sorry bastards who claim to be "my" government have no
    claim on my respect.

    as I said before: is it not odd that the more the government
    tries to abridge our freedom of speech, the more they want
    to confiscate our weapons?

    a well-armed populace is a threat to a corrupt, suppressive
    government; the first step in subjugating the American
    population to become part of the UN/NWO "family" is to
    confiscate personal arms in the name of public safety --or,
    the fear of criminal actions by loose cannons, etc.

    arms registration is the first step towards confiscation.

    I've been trying to find something about that pack of
    thieves trying to deify themselves that has not earned my
    contempt. I'll announce it, when I find it, but dont hold
    your breath.

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On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:59:25 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>
>>
>> I can hardly believe that any of these schemes are undefeatable.
>>
>> As soon as the CPU starts talking to a video and sound board,
>> this whole thing becomes easily breakable. All one needs to do is
>> to capture the signals that go to these boards and re-record them.
>
>In general, there's no way of building a secure system that
>prevents copying of information, but permits its consumption.
>The two are too closely related.
>
>The best you could do is a tamper-resistant hardware key on
>the audio/video card.  (This locks you into a design where
>the content is decoded on the card, which may be suboptimal.)
>And anyone who can crack the crypto chip can get unprotected
>digital copies and distribute them.  This is probably doable
>by the same kind of people who set up pirate CD factories.
<snip>

Ala VideoCypher from the 80's.  It didn't take much to cause the cpu
in the box to spill its guts.  Then again, it may have been because
the cpu was from TI.

-Doug
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    --
At 06:49 PM 2/19/98 -0500, Anonymous wrote:
> An article in the current issue of the German journal
> `Datenschutz und Datensicherheit' claims that exporting
> crypto software from anywhere outside the US to a third
> country violates US law if the software contains (only
> marginal amounts of) US-developed code, such as a C
> standard library, and that anyone distributing crypto
> software that has been compiled with an American compiler
> had better not visit the United States.  Is that true?

No one knows what the laws on cryptography in the US are,
least of all the courts or the lawyers.

There is a law against exporting armaments, or indeed doing
diddly squat with armaments, and the bureaucrats have decreed
crypto an armament, however they have displayed profound
reluctance to take this issue to court, so the implications
of such a law, and such a definition remain entirely unknown.

However since no one has yet been actually indicted, it is
unlikely that you will be the first.

    --digsig
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