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User:Ipigott/Archive 15

Archive 1: January 2007 to January 2010, Archive 2: January 2010 to January 2011, Archive 3: January 2011 to June 2011, Archive 4: June 2011 to November 2011, Archive 5: December 2011 to August 2012, Archive 6: September 2012 to December 2012, Archive 7: December 2012 to May 2013, Archive 8: June 2013 to November 2013, Archive 9: November 2013 to August 2014, Archive 10: September 2014 to February 2015, Archive 11:March 2015 to August 2015, Archive 12: March 2015 to August 2015, Archive 13: September 2015 to May 2016, Archive 14: June 2016 to December 2016

January 2017 at Women in Red
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Happy 2017
--Camelia (talk) 12:19, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much and the same to you.--Ipigott (talk) 13:39, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, same to you two,, , , and  too.♦  Dr. Blofeld  14:17, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I hope that it is a Happy New Year for everyone, or at least not disastrous. I'll be happy to hoist a glass wishing us all health and happiness and many more days of editing. SusunW (talk) 17:19, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Let's make 2017 an awesome year! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:29, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

A toast to all of you, my friends... Ian,, , , , and ! --Rosiestep (talk) 18:34, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

 * Grin Victuallers (talk) 09:31, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Ipigott!

Happy New Year! Ipigott, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

– Davey 2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 13:13, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

 * Thanks very much. A Happy New Year to you too.--Ipigott (talk) 13:21, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy 2017!
Wishing good health and happiness as we start the new year! --Rosiestep (talk) 19:14, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

 * Thank you, Rosie, and all the best to you and your family too.--Ipigott (talk) 19:19, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
And many thanks for all your good comradeship this past year. Alafarge (talk) 16:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

 * All the best to you too. I look forward to further collaboration throughout 2017.--Ipigott (talk) 16:33, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Bonne année
Eh :) Anthere (talk)

 * Merci, . J'espère que nous aurons la possibilité d'élargir notre collaboration en 2017.--Ipigott (talk) 07:55, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Women in Technology
Hi, if you have time, would you please run a Wikidata list for Women in Technology? Thanks, --Rosiestep (talk) 00:04, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

 * I have made a couple of attempts at this but it is not successful as occupations such as technician and technologist are hardly used at all on Wikipedia or Wikidata. I suppose it's because technicians are not usually notable enough for Wikipedia unless they have excelled in something more specific. The Wikidata lists on computer scientists and scientists might help. There are also crowd-sourced lists on technology and engineering. Good luck with your Cisco assignment.--Ipigott (talk) 07:47, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for trying. In hindsight, 'Technology' is probably not a good word. 'Engineer' would be better.  I'd run the report myself, but don't know how. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:07, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * OK. I'll try to produce one on women engineers.--Ipigott (talk) 17:10, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Engineers. I see there are 73 on the list.--Ipigott (talk) 17:20, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! The list doesn't have the person's Q number. Can it be added? For example, the first entry appears to be a man (based on the image) and if I could click on the Q number, I'd be able to make the correction on the Wikidata item. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:44, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Done.--Ipigott (talk) 08:23, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata barnstar

 * Thanks very much,, but several others are responsible for initiating lists along these lines. As with so much of what I do on Wikipedia, I have just followed in others' footsteps.--Ipigott (talk) 08:15, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Women's History Month
Hello! I was thinking to organize a local meet-up focused around Women's History Month. I'm not seeing any resources or coordination for 2017, including on Meta. Are you aware of anything? Thanks! --Tbennert (talk) 21:12, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

 * That sounds like good news. Are you planning something for Montana? As far as I can see the only ones announced up to now are these. You can see WiR's evolving plans for March here. Please keep us informed of progress. (cc, ).--Ipigott (talk) 10:40, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, in Billings. I'm trying to figure out a way of doing something virtual for the rest of the state. I will definitely be in contact with, we've worked together before. And I'll let you all know once I've gotten farther along. Thanks for the resources! --Tbennert (talk) 19:20, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd also ping who I've co-facilitated with.  Might be a good topic for my "cowgirl hall of fame" or "women of the west" theme I mentioned at the WP:WPWIR page.   Montanabw (talk) 20:33, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Sonja Kehler
In Sonja Kehler, there's a ref in Danish. Could you please add it to positions where it applies, and perhaps even add what it has but the article has not, - like details about her teaching in Odense? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

February 2017 at Women in Red
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Can you help?
I am working on an article for Sarah Wool Moore and I think this says she was given an award for her help with Italian immigrants, but I am not sure. Can you help? SusunW (talk) 18:35, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
 * She is cited for helping the Society for Italian Immigrants, in particular by opening schools. However, the passage quoted is about an honorary award (diploma d'onore) bestowed on the Society itself, apparently by the Italian authorities. She is included as one of those responsible for its success.--Ipigott (talk) 08:24, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ian! Since she was one of the founders, that's huge. Appreciate the help. SusunW (talk) 20:21, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

WiR invitation pages condensed by year
As you and I are the main two editors involved with this, please see these. One page for the whole year let's us see at a glance what we've been doing. And on the meetup page, the "invitation link" will be the same all year. Also, there's now a link in the Navbox for each year's outreach/communication/invite templates. All the invite pages are now redirects to the year page, which manages the attribution issue. Hope in my effort to streamline, I didn't cause confusion. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:42, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2015
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2016
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2017
 * Thanks for taking the trouble to arrange all this year by year. I don't think there will be any confusion.--Ipigott (talk) 09:19, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review - newsletter No.2
Hello , We now have New Page Reviewers! Most of us requested the user right at PERM, expressing a wish to be able to do something about the huge backlog, but the chart on the right does not demonstrate any changes to the pre-user-right levels of October. The backlog is still steadily growing at a rate of 150 a day or 4,650 a month. Only 20 reviews a day by each reviewer over the next few days would bring the backlog down to a managable level and the daily input can then be processed by each reviewer doing only 2 or 3 reviews a day - that's about 5 minutes work! It didn't work in time to relax for the Xmas/New Year holidays. Let's see if we can achieve our goal before Easter, otherwise by Thanksgiving it will be closer to. Remember that we are the only guardians of quality of new articles, we alone have to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged by non-Reviewer patrollers and that new authors are not being bitten. This is even more important and extra vigilance is required considering Orangemoody,  and
 * A HUGE backlog
 * Second set of eyes
 * Abuse
 * 1) this very recent case of paid advertising by a Reviewer resulting  in  a community ban.
 * 2) this case in January of paid advertising by a Reviewer, also resulting in  a community ban.
 * 3) This Reviewer is indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry.

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A kitten for you!
Hi, Ipigott.

I really appreciate your participation in the article of Jose Antonio Sosa. I would like to count with you in future projects too.

Sincerely,

Fergus_Manx 01:24, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. Just tidied things up a bit as I was reviewing the article. May I suggest you add at least one reference to each paragraph, preferably secondary sources. As a new user, you're doing a really good job. Maybe your next addition will be the Escuela Técnica Superior de Arquitectura de Las Palmas de Gran Canaria (or its English equivalent). Just let me know if you need any help or run into any difficulties.--Ipigott (talk) 08:00, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

a couple of questions
I rewrote and documented a previously uncited article on Sesenne, who I found when I wrote the bio on another St. Lucian. I did not put her on the anthropologist's list because she wasn't really a scientist...but she inspired cultural preservation and got anthropologists to record the music of St. Lucia. I am curious as to whether she should go there as a "work", so to speak?

Secondly, I am nearing completion on Mayme de Mena, I SOOOOO wish my Oxford University Press approval password would hurry up and show up, and need someone to review it with a really critical eye. I felt like I had to explain a bunch of what was going on because the UNIA article is largely uncited and her whole identity thing is on the surface deceptive, but according to law, not at all. At any rate, should you have a chance to review it, I'd be appreciative. SusunW (talk) 21:49, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

 * You've done a great job on Sesenne. She obviously fits our coverage of Black Women. I wouldn't have considered her to be a anthropologist but as you point out, anthropologists have shown interest in her contributions to language and culture. I'll look at Mayme de Mena now.--Ipigott (talk) 11:04, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * De Mena seems to me to be very thoroughly researched. I see you have listed all the names she used in the box but I still found it confusing to have to deal with all her different names and name changes in the article. I don't know if there is any solution to this but perhaps you could try to keep "de Mena" as far as possible, while mentioning her name changes when they occurred. I'm afraid I can't help you with the OUP.--Ipigott (talk) 11:55, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, Ian. I was so thrilled last night to make the connection between Maymie and Leontine Kelly. I was a bit worried that I had done too much explaining both about UNIA and her identities, but I don't see how one could cover her without doing that. Would that I could find photos or that portrait. Wonder what happened to it? I am also concerned that without at least reviewing the OUP info, some vital clue might be missed. (Like it would be grand if they figured out if their mama moved to Jennings, which I suspect or if Mary L. of New Orleans University was actually Maymie, which I also am fairly sure of).

 * I think I am going to have to do a piece on David DeWitt, Maymie's brother and Leontine's dad. I am also interested in Angella, who became a teacher. Frustrating that we have so little of the black press publications available on line. This family were huge, huge, huge contributors, nationally to the development of the black community. SusunW (talk) 15:22, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Whose Knowledge? News - February 2017
Thanks for all of your support for Whose Knowledge? so far! Get ready, we're going to need lots of your help in 2017 :)

What's new in 2017:

1. Volunteers needed

''As Whose Knowledge? grows, there are lots of things to do! Can you help?''
 * Are you good with data entry, categories, mailing lists or social media? We especially need people to help with organizing knowledge for Dalit History Month, and building out our communications (including this monthly newsletter!) right now!
 * If you're interested in volunteering for these or any other projects, please signup here

2. Pilot projects

Building partnerships and testing our approach with marginalized communities.
 * Dalit History Month: We're working with Equality Labs to support Dalit communities in South Asia and the United States to map knowledge and create Wikipedia content. Dalit History Month edit-a-thons are coming in April!
 * Women's Human Rights Defenders: In partnership with Urgent Action Fund, we'll be supporting a group of women's human rights defenders around the world with more mapping and wiki content creation. Themes and geographies coming soon!
 * Kumeyaay Wikipedia Initiative: Following the 2016 Indigenous People's Day edit-a-thon, we're continuing to work with members of the Kumeyaay tribe in Southern California and Baja to map and contribute indigenous knowledge to Wikimedia projects. A discussion day with Kumeyaay community in San Diego is being planned for May.

3. Funding

We've got financial support for 2017!
 * WMF grant: 6-month funding (February-July 2017) was approved to pilot our approach to mapping knowledge and creating Wikipedia content with the Dalit community and global women's human rights defenders. Thanks for all your endorsements!
 * Shuttleworth Fellowship: Anasuya is a Shuttleworth Fellow! This means we'll be able to spend more time organizing, and have support for convenings, campaign infrastructure, etc.

4. Wikimedia Strategy

Find us at Wikimedia Conference.
 * Anasuya and Siko will be carrying the Whose Knowledge? vision of diversity, pluralism and representation of marginalized communities into movement strategy conversations in Berlin March 2017.
 * What's your vision for the Wikimedia movement? If you have a perspective that you'd like us to help represent in Berlin, please reach out and let us know!

In solidarity,

Siko (talk) 00:16, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikipage already published - deletedwiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Lee_Crawford Can you remove that page that exhibit the topic as a deleted one? Deletedwiki is only for moderators and could not do anything! http://deletedwiki.com/index.php?title=Kerry_Lee_Crawford — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khaled Abolaynain (talk • contribs) 18:06, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Deleted Wiki is a separate initiative to which I have no access.--Ipigott (talk) 09:07, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Review of initial updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process
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The Wikimedia movement is beginning a movement-wide strategy discussion, a process which will run throughout 2017. For 15 years, Wikimedians have worked together to build the largest free knowledge resource in human history. During this time, we've grown from a small group of editors to a diverse network of editors, developers, affiliates, readers, donors, and partners. Today, we are more than a group of websites. We are a movement rooted in values and a powerful vision: all knowledge for all people. As a movement, we have an opportunity to decide where we go from here.

This movement strategy discussion will focus on the future of our movement: where we want to go together, and what we want to achieve. We hope to design an inclusive process that makes space for everyone: editors, community leaders, affiliates, developers, readers, donors, technology platforms, institutional partners, and people we have yet to reach. There will be multiple ways to participate including on-wiki, in private spaces, and in-person meetings. You are warmly invited to join and make your voice heard.

The immediate goal is to have a strategic direction by Wikimania 2017 to help frame a discussion on how we work together toward that strategic direction.

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 * Update 1 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (15 December 2016)
 * Introduction to process and information about budget spending resolution to support it
 * Update 2 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (23 December 2016)
 * Start of search for Lead Architect for movement strategy process
 * Update 3 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (8 January 2017)
 * Plans for strategy sessions at upcoming Wikimedia Conference 2017
 * Update 4 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (11 January 2017)
 * Introduction of williamsworks
 * Update 5 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (2 February 2017)
 * The core movement strategy team, team tracks being developed, introduction of the Community Process Steering Committee, discussions at WikiIndaba conference 2017 and the Wikimedia movement affiliates executive directors gathering in Switzerland
 * Update 6 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (10 February 2017)
 * Tracks A & B process prototypes and providing feedback, updates on development of all four Tracks

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Meetup 37 invitations x2
Hi Ian, Please review WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2017 and make changes if you wish. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:47, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

 * You'll see I made minor adjustments to the two invitations and have added a word on other languages on the editathon page. I also invited to provide a link to Role Models but he seems to be tied up for the next couple of weeks. I'm not sure how  intends to proceed with Wikidata redlink lists in some of the other languages but it would be great if we could inform those concerned of their availability. Perhaps we should wait a few more days before we send out the invitations. In the meantime, we can announce the March focus on our main page and by adding clickables to our current editathon pages. As we are entertaining visitors over the next week, I may not be as responsive as usual.--Ipigott (talk) 17:02, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi you two. I am tied up with real life issues, but I'm travelling to Cambridge tomorrow to discuss this locally. It would be helpful if a semi blank editathon page could be created so I can describe the event. One college will be hosting invitees from all of the other Cambridge colleges. I can obviously clone the existing project pages but I'm not sure where it sits. Is it a parallel project on en:wiki? Have we moved to meta? Is there a facility for multilingual support? A blank page in the right place with aid me in understanding. Thanks for your forbearance. Victuallers (talk) 17:50, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Ian, enjoy the time with your visitors. I've tweaked the invites some more. I'll get them out by Monday. The other language Wikidata pages can be linked on our meetup page, e.g. "French-language Wikidata list of artists", once they're created., we don't have a "master template", but it would be a good idea to have one. This meetup page is the closest thing we have to a skeleton page. No, we don't have a presence on Meta... not yet. I think we should develop a strategy for it and get it done in 2017. Cambridge? Pretty cool! Go get 'em! I'm traveling for a wiki event; sorry for brevity. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:35, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Ian, one more, which I learned about through FB: nl:Wikipedia:Wikiproject/Gendergap. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:26, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks but they were already on the list. If you are happy with the international list and the international invitation, I could send them out tomorrow. I've prepared a draft editathon page on Role Models but am waiting for Roger's approval.--Ipigott (talk) 14:37, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

 * I've tidied up the international invitation and changed the links so that they work from other wikis and other languages. I think we should get all the invitations out this weekend. If you do the mass messaging for English, I'll send out the others in the normal way. I've tried it out on Jane's Dutch page and it seems to work.--Ipigott (talk) 15:36, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, get the international ones out and I'll take care of the MassMessaging. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * All sent out. Let's see what kind of a response we get.--Ipigott (talk) 09:08, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

 * In retrospect, I don't understand why meetup page #38 for "Role Models" wasn't included in WiR's March invitation, e.g. why we didn't wait to send out invites until after the draft meetup page #38 was sorted out. Why aren't "Role Models" part of #37... e.g. because it includes an in-person event? If this is the case, then shouldn't we split the A+F campaign from TheWomenYouHaveNeverMet campaign as each also have in-person nodes? Which redlists will #38 be using vs. #37? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:11, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Maybe we should have waited but I really thought we should get moving. The A+F events and The Women You Have Never Met have been attracting attention for weeks and Roger told me he was tied up until the end of the month. I'm pleased to see that we are now progressing on his Role Models page but it still needs more work. While Role Models is of course being held in connection with Women's History Month, the priorities are rather different and quite specific. The idea is to attract articles about women who graduated from women's colleges and have now become notable. I've suggested to that we should have a special invitation which we could send out to attract participation from women's colleges around the world. I'm still trying to get more details of the tie-üps. I don't think we need to send out another invitation to those on our main list. They can see what's going on from our /37 editathon page. I'm sorry if I have been putting too much pressure on you all but I think it is important to keep people informed of what is going on, especially when we are trying to get people to contribute in other languages.--Ipigott (talk) 15:57, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

 * No worries re pressure; we're good. :) Truth be told, I'm really glad has suggested this event, and that we'll be able to include it in our March line-up as "women who graduated from women's colleges" is a new topic for WiR. However, if Role Models (#38) is about "women who graduated from women's colleges", that point needs clarification on the meetup page. And we'll need redlists. In the US, the prominent historical women's colleges include the East Coast-based Seven Sisters (Barnard College, Bryn Mawr College, Mount Holyoke College, Radcliffe College, Smith College, Vassar College, and Wellesley College), plus the California-based Scripps College and Mills College. But certainly, we need to be inclusive of all continents (e.g. avoid UK/US content gender gap systemic bias), so I hope the plan is to include redlists based on, too. I don't know how to compile Wikidata redlists, let alone those based on university, but I assume you, or maybe , or others are sorting it out. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:36, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Perplexed by this comment from you on the WiR talkpage, especially in light of above: "Rosiestep is a little concerned that with the emphasis on Cambridge, the Americans might be under-represented. I'm looking for volunteers to keep the Stars and Stripes flying on this one too." --Rosiestep (talk) 22:58, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * This was in response to "avoid UK/US content gender gap systemic bias". I thought you mean UK vs US but your last comment indicates you meant UK plus US vs the rest of the world. Sorry about the misunderstanding. But you are certainly right in suggesting we need to bring colleges from the rest of the world on board too.--Ipigott (talk) 10:28, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Maybe we should split up #37 into (a) A+F, keeping all the redlists which are on #37 now, and (b) TheWomenYouHaveNeverMet as a geo-based campaign, using redlists of Spanish-language countries? It might actually make a lot of sense to do have a second-language emphasis as we launch our multi-language outreach. We could make #37 a March/WHM landing page. Then create #37a (A+F), #37b (TheWomenYouHaveNeverMet), and move #38 to #37c. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:41, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

 * : We're working on it. See Roger's talk page. I think /37 is fine the way it is. All the components contibute to the same focus. And as you can see, we're working on Roger's priorities.--Ipigott (talk) 16:45, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

In the Netherlands we are working on female professors of the University of Amsterdam. Professors can be role models too, not just graduates of women's schools, no? Think Mona Lisa Smile. As far as lists go, these are built upon queries, so you first need to load up the data before you can generate a list. As far as women in a book is concerned, I did this for Women Painters of the World. I first created an item for the book, and then for each woman in the book I either made an item with various statements including the statement that she is described in the book as a source with page number, or I added the statement about being described in the book. We should do this for all the dictionaries of women that we find. Even if we don't have time to write the bios, someone else might if we provide the data. Jane (talk) 17:38, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * , agree, professors/faculty is important, too. Re creating a list: is it possible to create one for women who were "educated at" (P69) "Barnard College" (Q167733) but don't have an article on en-wiki and format it like this? --Rosiestep (talk) 17:46, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, but someone has to add the items if they don't exist yet, and also add the statement on Wikidata that they were educated at Barnard College. It looks like there are two such items though: here is a query and I commented out the line that filters for bios on enwiki so you can see the list of 374 women here Jane (talk) 18:46, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review-Patrolling: Coordinator elections
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Invitation to international talkpages and contributors
Page stalkers: please forward this to your international contacts
 * Hi, thanks for your invitation, if I have a bit of free time, I'll try to do something. Cheers, --Elisardojm (talk) 16:39, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Bianca Williams (anthropologist)
What has she written?Xx236 (talk) 13:11, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Patience, my friend . I'm still working on it.--Ipigott (talk) 13:59, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

DYK for El Progreso, Jutiapa
Mifter (talk) 12:02, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Your talent
I'm trying to learn a bit more French at the moment. Really demanding learning one language. How you've managed to learn 15 languages or whatever it is beats me. You have a definite talent for it! It's one thing to learn words and be able to understand text, but the understand and communicate with a fluent speaker speaking at full speed. Even with Spanish I have trouble understanding what is being said! What languages do know know again?♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:30, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I started taking a real interest in French when I was about 10. From the age of about 13, I listened to French radio, read a French newspaper every day and when I was 15, I spent a few weeks in France with two French pen friends. At the time I was doing science subjects at school so reading French novels was an added attraction. Once I had more or less mastered conversational French, I found it was relatively easy to pick up other languages. I spent holidays with families in Austria and Spain learning German and Spanish. I didn't meet my Danish wife until I was 30. As a result, although I picked up the language quite quickly, I never managed to gain a perfect accent the way I did with the others. (It's said that men lose that ability when they are about 25 although women can continue until 40.) Most of the other languages I speak or read are based on these although I did take up Russian for a while in my early 20s and spent some time in Japan in 1969. Spanish is one of the languages which is spoken most quickly, up to 300 words per minute, compared to about 140 wpm for English and even less for German. So no wonder you have difficulty in following spoken Spanish. The French speak at more or less the same speed as the English. My wife has been improving her French on DuoLingo (duolingo.com). It's free and very effective. You should try it out but you have to give it at least 30 minutes a day for a few months. After that, you could try dating a French girl. Let me know how you get on. Good to have an exchange here not directly related to Wikipedia. (Hope I'm not breaking any rules. You never know who's watching!)--Ipigott (talk) 14:10, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I am in awe of your skills. *sigh* I'm doomed. I didn't start learning Spanish until I was over 50. No wonder it is so hard, not to mention 104 variations of each and every verb and the whole thing of inanimate objects having gender boggles my mind. The speed is indeed a huge issue. Never really understood why I only get about 1/3 of the things people say to me, but it makes sense. They talk way too fast and then there are the words I just don't know. I think I shall never master it, but maybe I'll be able to have an entire conversation one day. Not my talent and yet, I struggle on. SusunW (talk) 15:27, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Very interesting. I've learned some basic Italian stuff too and fins it easier to follow than Spanish, I'll often recognize phrases in some Italian films. I would love to be fluent in French, Spanish and Italian in particular. I've noticed a lot of word similarities, evidently based on the original Latin etc. I don't think I could commit much to learning any one fluently though, but I should get a good basic grasp of all three really for film watching purposes if no other ;-). I joined duolingo and already reached level 2 in French :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:29, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Good to hear you're both making progress with your languages. To tell you the truth, I never bothered too much with grammar. No one ever told me there were 104 variations of each Spanish verb. (I suspect there may be even more in French.) I seem to be able to pick things up more or less the way kids do, by imitating others. One of the main secrets though is recognizing what is different or special about English, for example all the non-translatable idioms. Once you get that sorted out, then you avoid making the same errors in all the other languages. Duolingo is good to start with but to make real progress you need to get together with native speakers.--Ipigott (talk) 16:18, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting that you say Spanish speakers talk too fast, . Here in Israel, it sounds to me like Hebrew speakers talk a mile a minute. But then they say I speak English too quickly. Regarding the gender-specific objects, that's a main feature of Hebrew. Since I started learning Hebrew as a child, it doesn't seem strange to me anymore. Yoninah (talk) 15:46, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It really is a quirky thing. Reading languages, I seem to do fine, comprehension is pretty easy. But once I try to vocalize or hear someone speak, I am overwhelmed. It is as if my ears just shut down and I hear only gibberish and my brain conveniently forgets everything. I know tons of words, just can never find them in my brain when someone tries to speak to me. I doubt that it is a fear of saying it incorrectly, because I have no problem with someone correcting my tense, or grammar, I literally just cannot find the words I need. I think it has to do with pace, because when I read, I can back up and re-read, but in a conversation, I get hopelessly lost. The gender-specific thing to me is also baffling. There is no rhyme nor reason to it in Spanish and then, to make it worse, there are transgender things, like water. El agua becomes las aguas in the plural. Why *is* that? Because it sounds better, is illogical to me. It sounds as it does. :s SusunW (talk) 16:10, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * And I was thinking of learning Spanish! I agree with you, reading is easier than listening. Yoninah (talk) 16:18, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Well I can answer that last one: You have to say "el aqua" rather than "la agua" because agua starts with a tonic vowel. But you would say "la nueva agua" as it is in fact feminine. But the easy solution is that you say "el aqua" because "la agua" would sound funny.--Ipigott (talk) 16:24, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Maria Eugenia Bozzoli
Mifter (talk) 12:02, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Cross-wiki talkback
Hi there Ipigott, I've responded to your comment on meta -- Samtar talk · contribs 19:20, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Women in Red/female bio editathon advice
"blank page: should not be in mainspace"

True, but blanking the page is never a correct course of action. In this scenario, it's an inappropriate cross-namespace redirect, so the correct action is to add Db-r2 (or Db-rediruser, which redirects to it). See also WP:CSD. — Smjg (talk) 17:56, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Thanks . I already sent you a message on your talk page. I'm afraid I don't know all these codes but just wanted to indicate that the page should be deleted. I thought my comment in plain English was pretty clear. In any case, it looks to me as if this information should be brought to the attention of who created the page in the first place.--Ipigott (talk) 08:20, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ?? I have no idea what those codes mean either! Jane (talk) 08:47, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Lucie Ingemann
Hi, I started nominating some A+F editathon articles for DYK. (I don't mind dealing with the system, and I also have a backlog of QPQs.) This is a very nice article that you wrote. I just wonder if you could provide an inline citation for this sentence, as I'd like to base a hook on it: She shared with her husband a deep sense of art and religion with the result that even her flower paintings often reflected religious and mystical themes inspired by German Romanticism. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:49, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Thanks for keeping the flag flying. It's good to hear you have not been intimidated by developments on DYK. The sentence you quote is based on Weilbach's biography. There was already an inline ref for the paragraph but I've now included one more. I'm glad to hear you like the article. The fact that not even the Danish Wikipedia includes an article about Lucie Ingemann, shows how women still frequently stand in the shadow of their husbands. I thought it was a good choice for Women's History Month. Thanks once again for the great work you are doing on DYK.--Ipigott (talk) 08:12, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Furra
Mifter (talk) 12:02, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Overview #2 of updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process
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As we mentioned last month, the Wikimedia movement is beginning a movement-wide strategy discussion, a process which will run throughout 2017. This movement strategy discussion will focus on the future of our movement: where we want to go together, and what we want to achieve.

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 * On reading through this and some of the links, I was surprised to see there was no mention of Women in Red in the Meta page on Gender gap although all the other WikiProjects are mentioned for English and other pertinent languages. Is this simply a mistake or is Women in Red not considered as a viable approach?--Ipigott (talk) 07:58, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh my gosh, this made me laugh out loud. In conversation with a WMF staffer yesterday, this exact page was mentioned, and we agreed that no one was keeping it updated. To answer your question, though, the fact that WiR is missing from it is neither a mistake nor because someone doesn't consider Women in Red as a viable approach. It's simply that no one has bothered to add it to the page. Another missing one is Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2016 (while Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2013 is listed). --Rosiestep (talk) 16:42, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Glad to see you noticed it too. Thanks for adding it. I see that recently a few additions have also been made to Gender bias on Wikipedia but if we are to expect any serious attention to the problem in the evolving strategy, it might be useful for you and other interested parties to make sure it provides the right background. I am a little hesitant to become involved in this and similar sources, given the existence of Systers, etc. I think it would be more effective if women were to work on this rather than male editors who think they understand the problem. It also seems to me that the whole question of the gender gap is receiving very little attention in strategy development but perhaps you all feel that the other new orientations will eventually lead to a more equitable environment.--Ipigott (talk) 17:24, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Our thought process is on the same track. Stay tuned for an update, my friend. ;) --Rosiestep (talk) 20:34, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Maymie de Mena
Mifter (talk) 12:02, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15)

 * This message, "We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15)", was sent through multiple channels by Gregory Varnum on 15 and 16 of March 2017 to village pumps, affiliate talk pages, movement mailing lists, and MassMessage groups. A similar message was sent by Nicole Ebber to organized groups and their mailing lists on 15 of March 2017. This version of the message is available for translation and documentation purposes

Dear Wikimedians/Wikipedians:

Today we are starting a broad discussion to define Wikimedia's future role in the world and develop a collaborative strategy to fulfill that role. You are warmly invited to join the conversation.

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Nina Simonovich-Efimova
Any input you might have (or help with the red links) on her would be lovely. I think she would make a wonderful GA. I could just leave the links out, but her mom opened the first kindergarten in Russia and her dad was a well-known physician. Then there is her husband, who was a distinguished sculptor in his own right and her teacher who was an artist. I also wondered if could peruse it for clarity and weigh in on whether we should add more about her other books. Of course, if either of you know someone who works with Russian sourcing and could help with the redlinks that'd be awesome. SusunW (talk) 23:20, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Very interesting article. Certainly worth bringing to GA. I've started to go through it and am surprised at "née Hudson" under Early life. I've tried to see where it comes from as it appears to be a result of mistranslation but haven't been able to find it.--Ipigott (talk) 08:24, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I see the mistranslation comes from http://www.jewish.ru/culture/art/2001/07/news8707.php. Her mainden name was Augustina Gutsohn from Hamburg.--Ipigott (talk) 08:52, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Not too sure what Mena/Мена refers to. Is it Dea Mena, the goddess? The link is to a disambiguation page.--Ipigott (talk) 11:17, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've been through the whole article. You've already done a lot of good work but we need to be careful about the translations and transliterations. There seem to be a number of other English-language sources which could be drawn on too. The lead seems to contain a few details which are not fully addressed in the article, e.g. on her painting. It might also be interesting to develop more on the theatre in Moscow which was apparently known as the Efimovs' Puppet Theatre. We also need to include more illustrations. I can help with the red links but am in the midst of writing biographies of the Swedish and Finnish artists associated with the Åland art colony.--Ipigott (talk) 13:03, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I love discovery. Sometimes you go to the well and pull out a totally fascinating gem. Who doesn't like puppets! I truly depend on you with translations and transliterations, which is why I always ask you before moving forward. Even though I use multiple translator programs, I am always unsure. I will see if there are other sources I have access to, but most that I could find, I used. There is no rush, obviously, but I'll start on some of the red links. Maybe would be interested? I have no idea about the photos, even the one on the Russian article was fair use. I didn't really like it because the one I used had examples of her work. SusunW (talk) 15:10, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, and Mena is a fairy tale. I found various versions. An old man and woman have several carts, he goes to town and trades it for a horse. Coming home he encounters a guy and trades the horse for an ox, then the ox for a goat/pig, that for something else and finally arrives home with a poker/needle, with which the wife either beats him, or uses to kindle the fire/sew his clothes. I found no article on it whatsoever, but multiple versions of the story on line. SusunW (talk) 15:17, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm tied up for the rest of the day but I'll try to get back on it tomorrow. There are lots of images if you search in Russian. I can help with the red links too but the priority should be to complete the article.--Ipigott (talk) 17:30, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Lucie Ingemann
Mifter (talk) 00:02, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK
I have nominated an article of yours for DYK - Template:Did you know nominations/Lilian Brøgger. SL93 (talk) 11:37, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for picking this one up for DYK. It will help to promote our current WiR focus on book artists.--Ipigott (talk) 12:31, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I have come across the project multiple times and I think anything to support it is great. SL93 (talk) 12:40, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you very much. I appreciate it all the more from someone who does not have obvious connections with Denmark.--Ipigott (talk) 09:08, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Ana Milodanović
I am totally fascinated with this woman's work. It is gorgeous! At any rate, I have no idea how good you are with Croatian, but it baffles me. Names from an article, do not match with names in the hr-WP—an "a" here and "i" there, all sorts of extraneous letters abound. If you have skill with this language, can you make sure I did not make any blatant errors. As always, help is much appreciated, but if you are busy with other things, not to worry. SusunW (talk) 22:55, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Tied up at the moment but will look at it tomorrow. I think Rosie speaks Croatian.--Ipigott (talk) 20:05, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Not to worry, Ian. When/if you get around to it will be fine. In the meantime, I'll ping Rosie and see if she can help. SusunW (talk) 20:43, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, I speak Serbian, but it is quite similar to Croatian. Writing is another thing, though, for me. I'll look at it, but am also pinging who may be able to assist. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:38, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! SusunW (talk) 00:07, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pinging me. I checked the links and translation and could not find any mistakes.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:58, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much . Appreciate your help. SusunW (talk) 22:48, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you; . Always nice to be in touch with you. :) --Rosiestep (talk) 23:01, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Lilian Brøgger
Mifter (talk) 00:02, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Jadwiga Szubartowicz
— Coffee // have a ☕ //  beans  // 00:04, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Precious five years!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Thanks . You have been doing a wonderful job of following us all up over the years. It's great to have committed people like you to encourage participation on Wikipedia. Precious work indeed!--Ipigott (talk) 08:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Thank you! Just yesterday I talked to a user ready to leave ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Vera Maslovskaya
This one took days to work on and I am still sure that it could use work. There were virtually no links in the Belarusian article to point me towards correct identification of places. The translator programs picked up various phrases as Russian, Belarusian, Ukrainian, etc. and with each variation gave me different spellings, not to mention the whole history of the region which I felt was necessary to briefly cover so that the events of her life made sense in context. I haven't created redirects because I am really unsure of what her maiden name should be, though I am fairly sure the spelling of her first married name is the way most sources list the name. Her second married name, is sometimes spelled with an "a" and sometimes with an "o", but I noted that if the translator picked words up as Belarusian the result used "a" and if they were identified as Russian they used "o"s. As always, your expert eyes would be helpful. If you cannot assist, maybe you know someone who can help. I thought of asking because technically she did live in Poland. Maybe Piotrus can help with places, but I think none of the personal names are Polish. SusunW (talk) 23:12, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked at it yet but as I think I may have explained before there is no "standard" transliteration scheme between Russian, other Slavic languages and English. The best we can do is to provide the original name in, for example, Belarus and Rusiian, with a probable transcription into English. If I have time, I'll have a proper look tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 14:56, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ian. If you can great, if you are too busy, not to worry. SusunW (talk) 15:15, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I've sorted out Ogrodniczki. It looks to me as if you have correctly identified her maiden name as Mateychuk. Are there any other place names you need help with? It looks to me as if you have done a very good job on the article.--Ipigott (talk) 14:37, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I think her second married name is more likely to be Korchevskaya.--Ipigott (talk) 14:53, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, thank you. I changed the name. As I said, the place names are toughest. Any idea where Hrabovo (also known as Grabowo), Olpen (Olpin) in Polesia, Kalantaev in the Vawkavysk District might be? I don't necessarily care if they all have links, but without being able to identify them, we can't even say, near ... SusunW (talk) 15:35, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * For a start, your Hrabovo is Grabovets in the Brest Region of western Belarus. It is located to the south of Baranovichi. It's covered in the Belarus Wikipedia: see Вёска Грабавец.--Ipigott (talk) 09:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I think this must refer to Olpen in the Brest Region. See here. The church certainly exists: see here.--Ipigott (talk) 09:44, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I think your Kalantaev must be Kalanaja in Grodno covered as Вёска Каланая in the Belarus wiki. Any more?--Ipigott (talk) 09:23, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no idea how you did that, Ian, but thank you. SusunW (talk) 13:17, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Belated reply that I don't think she has much connection to Poland. I cannot even find a Polish spelling of her name. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:46, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Dutch?
I need help with Dutch. While researching sources on these conferences I discovered a major story and fascinating history of the User:SusunW/International Archives for the Women's Movement. It was stolen by the Nazis, a big part of it ended up in Russia and after ten years of negotiations between 1993 and 2003 the Russian part was finally returned to the Netherlands. It is right now jumbled into the article on Atria Institute on gender equality and women's history, but I think that it needs to be separated—the collected documents are not the same as the institution which houses them. The archive is one collection in Atria's holdings, not the entirety. Atria also is the repository for the archives of the Business and Professional Women International (formerly IFBPW), the International Federation for Research in Women's History (IFRWH), and the International Federation of University Women (IFUW), which aren't even addressed in the article. So... back to my original request I found this but it is only in Dutch and will not work in any translator program. If you have time, can you peruse it and input any pertinent information in the draft for the International Archives article? I'll probably go ahead and move it to mainspace tomorrow because I want to take out the history portion of the Atria article and point it to the collection article. As always, thanks for your help. If you cannot assist because of other obligations, not a problem :) SusunW (talk) 20:30, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

 * I've still quite a bit to do on launching our editathons for May but I would be happy to help you out in a day or two. In the meantime, you might get some help from .--Ipigott (talk) 07:04, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * SusunW thanks so much for your interest! In the Netherlands we now have monthly meetups at the Atria library and they would love to be able to share more of their rich holdings on English Wikipedia. My friend has started uploading some of their data to Wikidata as part of our ongoing collaboration so I agree that the collections should all be split out and linked to their proper items, if not articles. They have a lot of books and dictionaries about women too. Looking at the link, it looks like you can start by looking at Wilhelmina Drucker and Aletta Jacobs for information about what was taken and still is missing. Unfortunately, these archives were taken as war booty along with so much other stuff that I understand the liklihood of recovery beyond what has already been recovered is minimal. Jane (talk) 08:14, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks I have fixed the article on the Atria Institute, to reflect that it is a library and has multiple collections, an acquisition policy and a varied collection of holdings. Clearly we can expand on it more, but at least this is an article about Atria now. (It sort of struck me when I read the original as an article about the Louvre talking only about the Mona Lisa :/ ) I am thinking that the name should be changed to Atria Institute on Gender Equality and Women's History, but that is a small thing. On the IAV, which is only one of the holdings of Atria, my issue is that I cannot read this source . Thanks for pointing me to Drucker. Obviously there is much more to add to the draft on Jacobs and Rosa Manus, but I had just started digging into it, when I discovered the article on Atria. It's how my mind works, one thing often leads to another...which is both a blessing and a curse. SusunW (talk) 15:27, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of 2017 block of Wikipedia in Turkey for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2017 block of Wikipedia in Turkey is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/2017 block of Wikipedia in Turkey until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Ad Orientem (talk) 15:02, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

WPTR1000
Hi, I added 2017 block of Wikipedia in Turkey in Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Turkey). Please feel free to revert the addition if you disagree or think its bad humor. Regesta (talk) 08:09, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I should have added it myself. I'm more systematic in adding new articles to the Nordic Challenge. I've been trying to work out where you come from. I see you have also been working on the Spanish wiki and you offer a Greek translation of your user name. In any case. it's good to see the Turkish Challenge is now above 50%. I must say all your work on ambassadors with lists and categories is very impressive. Well done!--Ipigott (talk) 10:02, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Join the next cycle of Wikimedia movement strategy discussions (underway until June 12)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks, Roger. Resilience is indeed the appropriate term. I also really admire your resilience with all the tweets. I'm sure it all helps.--Ipigott (talk) 12:30, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

New Article?
Dear Ipigott,

you are a very good user! It would be very good, if you could bring Eva Strautmann (please take a look on german wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Strautmann) into the en wikipedia! What do you think about this? Please also go to: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egon_Schiele_Art_Centrum and on this: Hungarian National Gallery! Best Regards from Germany! Thank you so much! U.B. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:8C:2D1E:1001:A487:3A08:B536:56C8 (talk) 19:28, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Thanks for contacting me on this, whoever you may be. I am however rather confused by your message. Strautmann's only relationship with the Egon Schiele Centre appears to be a name listing in 2008. She would only deserve an article on the EN wiki if her artworks are held in the permanent collections of museums or galleries or if she has received wide third-party attention. I can unfortunately find no evidence of this. The sources used in the German article are essentially primary.--Ipigott (talk) 09:53, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Re: Women's March on Portland
Thank you so much for your improvements to this article. There are some sources on the talk page to incorporate into the prose, then I hope to nominate the article for Good status. Thanks for helping this one along! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:11, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

July 2017 at Women in Red

 * Is there a specific template for the article talk? Would it apply to Medea and Melusine, women in music quite literally? which I will expand no matter what the answer ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:57, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The template for Women in music is .--Ipigott (talk) 20:19, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Ditto. All the many things, far too many to count. SusunW (talk) 14:44, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Thanks very much, . I'm afraid I was a bit late in updating it this month. You had already send out the invitations. But I followed up by sending them to the new members I added. In any case, I'm always interested in looking at the profiles of our new members and always pleased to see the project continues to be attractive.--Ipigott (talk) 08:35, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You might be interested to know that I've also sent invitations to those on this list. I hope the interest in music is at least as good as it was in January 2016.--Ipigott (talk) 11:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Royal Swedish Opera
Have you seen their new historical database? --Hegvald (talk) 06:10, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Thanks, . At the moment, I'm trying to cover 19th-century opera singers from the Nordic countries. I searched the archive for a few names but nothing came up although I see there are indeed quite a few 20th-century performance hits on Birgit Nilsson as explained in the blurb. So apparently it covers more recent performances. It may prove more useful when I move on to the 20th century but unfortunately, as far as I can see, it does not provide access to biographies. But it's certainly useful to know the archive exists. --Ipigott (talk) 08:14, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

oops
Edit conflict - I'll rest Victuallers (talk) 15:59, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem - all sorted out. Always appreciate your support.--Ipigott (talk) 16:04, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Just realized
I owe you a note of thanks after your kind words of yesterday. Apologies for the delay, but my head was swimming a bit yesterday afternoon. Still is, but I think I've got myself together a bit more today. :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:23, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I was the one thanking you. You really don't need to thank me. But I'm pleased to hear you're recovering from the shock.--Ipigott (talk) 10:05, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Jeanne Chasles
I am 99% sure that despite this saying she was the daughter of Philarète Chasles, that this, which is an "official transcription" says Emilie Elisabeth (née Dornbret) and Auguste Alfred Chasles, but if you have time, would you check it to make sure? I am always reliant on your language skills and appreciative of your willingness to help. SusunW (talk) 21:09, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, the birth certificate is quite clear that the father was Auguste Alfred Chasles. It's not like the French National Library to make errors like this. They pride themselves on "authority". By September 1869, Philarète Chasles was almost 71!--Ipigott (talk) 06:26, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much Ian. Because it was BNF's entry, I thought I was somehow reading the birth certificate wrong. SusunW (talk) 13:13, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Nina Simonovich-Efimova
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Didja know?
Didja know that the eminent man of letters (and writer of light verse, and mace-wielder) Morris Bishop was born in Willard Asylum for the Chronic Insane? Was, too! -- Hoary (talk) 02:50, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * More great work on a bibliography. Glad to see you're still so productive. Thanks for keeping in touch.--Ipigott (talk) 08:31, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Baroness
Maybe I am just leery of titles, or maybe I am tentative after having spent 3 days working on the unBaroness Eloísa D’Herbil, but I am unclear if Maggie Gripenberg was a Baroness or not, or if it is relevant. I see that the Project Runeberg calls her father a "Friherre", which google translates as Baron, but is it a title that extends to other family members or only to him? Is it something that should be in her article or is it fine as it is? SusunW (talk) 21:17, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think nobility should be an issue in her biography. I can see you go far further than I usually do with your biographies of Nordic women. A really well researched article -- but she seems to have deserved it. Well done!--Ipigott (talk) 14:34, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ian. Yes, she seemed rather important to Finland's dance development. SusunW (talk) 17:06, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you and post-event survey for Women in Red 45/Met Open Access Artworks Challenge!
We'd like to invite your participation in the post-event survey for the Met Open Access Artworks Challenge.--Pharos (talk) 23:28, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder, if you haven't filled it out, the post-event survey is open only until July 31.--Pharos (talk) 19:02, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Rapid AfD after questionable edits by single editor
Hi, Ipigott! If you recall a while back a page I created (the Rhonda Patrick page) had an AfD which you ultimately reversed. Since that point in time, the same page ended up getting a number of highly questionable (e.g. inappropriate IMO) edits that made the page, in my opinion, lower quality. Rather than simply reversing the edits, I was hoping to appeal to the editor directly, but was surprised to find that the article had already been pushed through an AfD. This is regrettable since the edits removed mention of Patrick's contributions in her field and also media references to her work! To have an AfD vote on the article after its best claim to WP:NOTABILITY was clumsily removed is not fair, in my opinion. I don't know if there's any recourse at this point. It's not my desire to push my will on the Wikipedian community, but I do think the AfD vote was undermined by these edits and that some of the delete votes were probably without awareness of these changes.

I posted a more thorough breakdown of the situation on the admin's talk page that approved the recent AfD, but haven't received a reply from him or her.

Either way... thanks for your consideration. Snazzywiki (talk)

 * As I am not an administrator, I cannot access the deleted article or the changes made. Perhaps or  can take a look.--Ipigott (talk) 06:53, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I've reached out to . If I don't hear back, I may drop a message on talk page as well. Snazzywiki (talk) 19:57, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Graph
Hi Ian, Roger gave me your name (Hes beside me now). We need a graph that shows the change from 15.5% to 17% over the last 2 years for a video for Roger and Rosies's talk. Do you have a simple one to hand or an easy place to find the data and we will create one? Cheers thanks 10:03, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * PS - just to say that a chunky histogram and big text would be ideal as it's inevitably going to be a low res video. Regards form the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:06, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

 * I'm not an expert on graphs but I expect you could use Microsoft Excel to create one. Unfortunately I do not have Excel on this machine and will not be returning to Luxembourg where I have all the MS stuff until early September. You can in fact retrieve all the data on the EN wiki (and on many others) from WHGI. If you run into problems, you can probably gain assistance from those listed on Grants:IEG/WIGI:_Wikipedia_Gender_Index or from . Please let me know how you progress. I would also be interested in graphs comparing progress on the EN wiki with that for other languages, especially languages in the top 10 such as Korean, Japanese, Norwegian and Swedish which are all above 20%. (See All time: Top 10 here.--Ipigott (talk) 10:33, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Roger has taken the link away and promises to make me a nice chunky graph while I work on his video talk. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:03, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

 * Have you been able to develop the graph? I think it would be of interest to the Women in Red project?--Ipigott (talk) 09:42, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid the production of the video was a lot more time-consuming than expected. With holidays looming, we ran out of time to create and incorporate a detailed graph. So, instead we've just flashed up the current en.wiki statistic of 17%. Here's a link to what we've done, which we wish to keep under wraps until its first showing next month. I may have to make one further edit to it, so there's still a small possibility of making changes, were someone to supply me with an appropriate histogram. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 10:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the link, . You've done a great job with the video.--Ipigott (talk) 14:21, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks - glad you like it. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:32, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Editathons
Hi. Thank you for doing that. The New Page Review process is is a triage. It is not a clinic, but for those reviewers who stop to help the walking wounded, their help is very much appreciated. Please see the discussion at on this editathon's deletions, and as one of our most experienced New Page Reviewers if you happen on situations where you can even help the facillitators with some advice before the event, it would also be greatly appreciated. As one retired polyglot cosmopolit to another, I share your enthusiasm, but my current mission is to gather feedback in order to improve the system. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:44, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I try to keep my eyes open for editathons involving women and the gender gap but I picked up info on the one in South Africa from this news source. Unfortunately, the editathon was almost over when I found it. I would have liked to discuss the event with beforehand but it was too late. As it involved new articles on women, it's a pity he did not inform us at WikiProject Women in Red. I think you will find numerous examples on the WiR pages of new editors whose first articles have been tagged AfD. There should be a better way of calling for more detailed review of early efforts. One AfD is usually enough to discourage newcomers from further work on Wikipedia. The other problem is that there are far too many editathons which encourage BLPs. It would be far better if their initial efforts were concentrated on notable figures who are no longer with us.--Ipigott (talk) 14:19, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * There is a better way, it's at AfC but there is a 6-week backlog. I've been facilitating editathons for years and I focus on teaching the participants the rudiments of Wiki markup, layout and Mos, how to research and identify RS and construct neat refs, and basic image policy and how to upload them. I generally check every student's efforts and then move it to mainspace if it's ready. I contend that no article is so urgent that it needs to be built in mainspace - and that's why I was the major proponent for getting the draft namespace created. If we could properly train the trainers we could avoid most of these problems. We urgently need more articles about women - and by women editors - but I concur that creating BLPs is not the best place to start. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:41, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe eyeball this for me, Ian? User talk:SusunW/Sandbox draft 2 Input is obviously welcome. SusunW (talk) 18:45, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Ipigott I did not know about the WikiProject Women in Red, It indeed was going to be great to be in touch with WikiProject in Red before I did the edit-a-thon. I should have set measures in place to ensure that all participants at the editathon (live streaming and at the actual event) was working in sandbox. My concern now is if it's possible to move all the entries that were created live on Wikipedia to a possible safe space like a sandbox so that it will be easier to continue mentor them. Luckily with their permission we have the participants usernames and contact details and are planning to have another edit-a-thon soon. can you please link me up with WikiProject Women? Bobby shabangu talk  21:58, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ian is one of WiR's key players. were the creators of the project and you can make contact with them directly or post on the Women in Red Talk Page SusunW (talk) 22:56, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi - Nice to meet you and thank you for taking the initiative to facilitate an event. You're welcome to post questions on the Women in Red talkpage; everyone is friendly and genuinely wants to be supportive/helpful. If I understand correctly, you are in South Africa, and if so, you are in luck, because there's an awesome Wikipedian editor there,, who happens to be the co-founder of m:Wiki Loves Women and m:Wiki Loves Africa! I'm hopeful she can lend some local support? --Rosiestep (talk) 01:46, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Guys thank you so much for the support, we were expecting 10 to 15 participants on the edit-a-thon but because of the interview we had 67 participants who turned out without having to register for the event including schools and others who attended online since we were livestreaming the event. I was the only experienced editor and I was kind of overwhelmed running around against time. I've learned 3 lessons here: 1. Running such a big edit-a-thon is not a one man's show you need other experienced editors or atleast volunteers that you would have trained to help you out. 2. You can't run such a big edit-a-thon for only one day, you need atleast 3 days, the first day being dedicated to train your volunteers and the second day to introduce the participants on Wikipedia including creating accounts for them, the third day will be where you are actually teaching them how to edit 3. Never ever create articles on the English Wikipedia, do all articles on Sandbox and encourage participants to contribute in their mother tongue... These are the things we will implement on the next editathon. However I still need to find a solution as to how to remove/deal with the articles that are there without having to delete them so that we can mentor the participants offline and republish them when we feel they are fit to be published. Thanks again for this support, I will be directly in contact with, Bobby shabangu  talk  21:26, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

, congratulations on the large turnout. Obviously it was far more than you expected. One of the things you can do is to inform the New Page Reviewers on their page at WT:NPR about any up coming events. That way they will be prepared for it, while ensuring that the students prepare their articles in their sandboxes or in the Draft namespace. Unfortunately some of the articles from this editathon cannot be kept because they are just not notable. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:06, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Bot
Hi, still no luck with getting somebody interested in coding a bot? Still doing great work I see, I wish I had your enthusiasm. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:24, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Sorry to say, those who I written to or pinged have not taken up the challenge. Given the wide interest in Women in Red by, perhaps he could assist us in finding volunteers. The task of assessing the length of an article as 1.5 kB of running prose and checking whether each paragraph is sourced does not seem too difficult to me. I'm really surprised nobody seems interested in helping out.--Ipigott (talk) 13:46, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Yup it doesn't seem that much of a tall order.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:59, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

You may not know this...
... but you make my day every time you post the new ENWP women's biographies percentage, such as today, at 17.07%. So, thank you, Ian. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:36, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

The World WiR Contest

 * I like to see things progressing as much as you do, . Last week, 34.23% of the new EN biographies were tagged "female" on Wikidata, putting us in the 9th place for new women's biographies by language for the week. I really hope we can help to get 's contests off the ground. I'm pretty sure they would bring about a considerable surge in our progress and would encourage participation from the developing countries. Despite all the efforts both he and I have made to find someone willing to create a bot to check the length and sourcing of new articles, there has been absolutely no response. Perhaps if you were to weigh in on this too, we could find someone prepared to help our. It would be a pity if The World WiR Contest could not begin in October as planned.--Ipigott (talk) 08:38, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Especially as some of us aren't talking.. It'll likely be November now.♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:23, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

 * It does seem strange. Whom have you -Ian and - reached out to regarding the bot? My assumption is the people who have run other contests who probably have a bot which could be tweaked; and WMUK leadership; and some leads from Mari; and who else? Knowing this would help with working together to sort out where to go from here. What bot information, e.g. contest criteria or whatever, are you including when you've reached out to potential bot-makers so they understand what's being asked of them (I'm not a techie person so need some help with understanding this)? Also, is the bot-maker position volunteer or will they be compensated? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:22, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I've contacted or pinged quite a number, most recently Headbomb and Sphilbrick on the WiR talk page and I assumed Edgars2007 would have seen my message too. Earlier I contacted The Earwig on his talk page but there was absolutely no reaction. I have also mentioned Harej and several others. What I am surprised about is that not one of them has shown any interest. Messages have also been posted at The Village Pump.--Ipigott (talk) 15:35, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

I asked a few people at the village pump and even offered to pay somebody. I gave Marti a message to pass on to some people she had in mind and nothing... I think we'll run the contest in November to support Asian month but getting this bot sorted is key. Who deals with Asian month? If we can get them on board and say that there's $4000 in prizes, on which some will be towards Asian women that might see something happen, didn't they use a bot previously?♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:38, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Some ideas:
 * m:Wikipedia Asian Month; appears that Le Loi is the "judging tool/tech" person.
 * Looks like the Women You Have Never Met contest relies on each country doing its own scoring, e.g. no bot.
 * Looks like there are other contest bots mentioned here along with who owns them.
 * I've never participated in WikiCup but it's been going on for some number of years and maybe they use a bot(?); is one of the facilitators so pinging.
 * is involved with the wiki Dashboard so might have a thought on this. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:25, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Thanks for all your useful suggestions. The Contest bots page looks interesting. Perhaps can try to contact those involved.--Ipigott (talk) 13:42, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I was wondering how things were going with the bot issue and if any of these suggestions have panned out? --Rosiestep (talk) 14:16, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Let's see what the Asian Month people can do!♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:10, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm thinking that it might be best to just have 6 continents and give 6 x 3 prizes 1st 2nd and 3rd for each continent and the rest for doing to ost of given occupations. It's going to be tough to get enough entries for every country. Are the missing lists developed enough? There were a lot of missing countries last time I looked.♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:18, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Great! Assuming you're pinging all the WAM contact folks (e.g. I think Addis is in law school and may not be as involved as in previous years), hope you get positive response soon. As for the missing lists, I know you've done a good job with developing them for your other contests. But if you're referring to Wikidata redlists, not sure re the status of them at this point or who is creating additional ones. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Rosie. Hopefully we can come to something which also benefits Asian month at the same time.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:16, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

September 2017 at Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:19, 28 August 2017 (UTC) via MassMessaging

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Thanks for reviewing Nemanja Miljković, Ipigott.

Unfortunately Domdeparis has just gone over this page again and unreviewed it. Their note is:

"Seems to fail WP:NHOOPS and WP:NANYBIO"

To reply, leave a comment on Domdeparis's talk page.

Domdeparis (talk) 12:49, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Notable in accordance with WABA League.--Ipigott (talk) 13:59, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

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User:Zhuo Jia Dai

Hi, my name is Zhuo Jia Dai. I am a maths grad from the University of Sydney. I like maths, although I'm not terribly good at it. My other interests include Go (board game), films, football (soccer) and, diminishingly, video games.

I love political satire and "Yes Minister/Yes Prime minister" are my favourite comedy series of all time. I also like the Chaser boys.

I mainly edit High School Mathematics Extensions.

Below is a modified version of my honours thesis. I intend to continue to improve it and eventually turn it into a wikibook. Please contact me about any suggestions/corrections you may have.

Thesis -- Algebraic Geometric Coding Theory (PDF)

source: wikimedia

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: User:Zhuo Jia Dai


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Andreyevsky, Altai Krai

Andreyevsky (Андреевский) is a rural locality (a settlement) in Oktyabrsky Selsoviet, Zmeinogorsky District, Altai Krai, Russia. The population was 2 as of 2013. There is 1 street.

Geography
Andreyevsky is located 96 km east of Zmeinogorsk (the district's administrative centre) by road. Bugryshikha is the nearest rural locality.

title: Andreyevsky, Altai Krai


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Talk:Agnes Grey

DYK nom
I nominated the article for DYK on expansion, if anyone wants to an offer an alternate hook, please do so at Template_talk:Did_you_know,Sadads (talk) 05:18, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments
Here are a few points I noticed:

Lead Style Genre - Autobiographical novel
 * Charlotte Bronte is linked twice in as many sentences.
 * Governess is capitalised once, but not any other times.
 * first sentence is completely unreferenced.
 * In the last sentence before the quote, it is ended with a comma but no quotations are used. Could a colon be used? (I'm not really an expert on punctuation, so I'm sort of asking about this one)
 * The first several sentences of the last paragraph (describing the similarity between the book and her life) are unreferenced.

Those are the only things I'm picking up with my quick read. I suggest a thorough copy-editing before nominating for GA, as I corrected several grammatical/punctuation problems. PrincessofLlyr royal court 16:00, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Sadads (talk) 16:02, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

 * I picked up the two lead problems and corrected these with a few other tweaks. Some other things I noticed

 * In the references change titles to either sentence or camel case rather than all caps.
 * Be consistent with the name order in the Sources cited section.
 * Be consistent with British or American English spelling. I was expecting British for context of article.

 * Keith D (talk) 22:28, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Keith D, sadads and I are both Americans. If you could convert to British spelling, it would be much appreciated.  Thanks.Henni2me (talk) 23:57, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have done a couple of spellings to British English. Unsure of the word fictious should this be fictitious? Keith D (talk) 00:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That was a typo on my part, we looked it up. Sadads (talk) 00:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Looking pretty good for a stab at GA now. Keith D (talk) 00:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Passages in the Life of an Individual
Pinion is of the opinion that "Agnes Grey" "is almost certainly a fictionalized adaptation of Passages in the Life of an Individual" This referenced statement is odd. "Passages in the Life of an Individual" is an unknown work. As far as I know, no-one, including Pinion, can say for sure whether it was factual, biographical or fiction. The general concensus seems to be that it was working title for "Agnes Grey". If this is true, then Agnes Grey cannot be described as a "fictionalised adaptation". This needs looking into.

Amandajm (talk) 07:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Some more comments
Amandajm! Fancy seeing you here. I have a few more minor comments - not really a review, since I added rather substantially to the article here, but I do hope they'll make the article better. This article is nicely written, but...
 * There are words such as doesn't and isn't in the article, such as ...but representing a character who in fact doesn't gain in virtue, which is usually discouraged. It should be does not. ✅
 * Agnes Grey has a very "perfect" and simple prose style which moves forward gently but does not produce a sense of monotony. "Perfect"? As it's a quote, I believe it needs a reference.
 * Critics such as George Moore, suggest that Agnes Grey represents a style that "had all the qualities of Jane Austen and other qualities". Same here.
 * Cates Baldridge describes Agnes Grey as a novel which "takes great pains to announce itself as a bildungsroman" but in fact never allows its character to grow up or transform for ideological reasons. Direct quote needs a direct reference, once more. I'm also not sure about the fact that Agnes Grey represents ...a character who in fact doesn't gain in virtue. Agnes does seem to have learned more at the end. Hmm...
 * ✅, I think. It was a little more radical position as far as I could tell, so I tried to make sure that the attribution was in the sentence and the ref at the end of the paragraph

 * However, Agnes stalls in her development because of the corrupted nature of the household in which she is employed and the ineffectiveness of the moral transformation, become a static member of the bourgeois, ambivalent to the Victorian value of moral transformation in virtue.[7] This sentence sounds slightly awkward. Is the moral transformation about her or about the people she is trying to help? And "becoming a static member..." might be better if the subject becoming a static member is Agnes.
 * The "Critical reception" section could be largely expanded, I think. If I can, I'll try to help. :)
 * There isn't a whole lot of surveys of the criticism, but I will certainly relook, make sure we are not missing anything. I didn't want to go off into the OR direction and the couple of works I read didn't give Agnes Grey an explicit verdict on Agnes Grey, instead they almost assumed it's relevance and then moved on to their point, commenting on the extreme position of Moore. Also, we didn't try ILLing anything, so if anyone has easy access to sources that would expand on what we already have, go ahead and give it a shotSadads (talk) 14:42, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Great work, everyone, and I hope this helps. :) I look forward to what we can do on this article, which has a great deal of potential. Warmly, Clementina   talk  11:41, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * F.B. Pinion agreed to a large extent that Agnes Grey was quite a masterwork but that Moore's examination of the piece was a little extreme and his "preoccupation with style must have blinded him to the persistence of her moral purpose" in the book.[11] This sentence sounds a bit too fast - as if it's rushing rather breathlessly along. Perhaps a few commas could make it more relaxed.✅

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Filmmaking Basics/Thumbnail Storyboard/Storyboard frames

Move in progress
This page will be moved and reformatted at Reference:SBTDS:Storyboard Frames

 * Current Location
 * Wikiversity (English) $$\Leftrightarrow$$ Humanities $$\Leftrightarrow$$ Art and Design $$\Leftrightarrow$$ Fine Arts $$\Leftrightarrow$$ Film and Television $$\Leftrightarrow$$ Narrative Film Production $$\Leftrightarrow$$  Course #01 - Learning the Basics of Filmmaking $$\Leftrightarrow$$ Lesson #004: Thumbnail Storyboards $$\Leftrightarrow$$  Lesson 4 Storyboard Frames

Here are possible storyboard frames

 * All the Thumbnails
 * These are the current thumbnail storyboards for this movie Seduced by the Dark Side!. These are the storyboards drawn for Lesson #4 of Course #1 of the WikiU Film School.

 * Creating a storyboard
 * To create your thumbnail storyboards for Seduced by the Dark Side!, print out the unformatted script and select the thumbnail storyboards that you think fit the action and mood of the scene. If you prefer, you can draw your own thumbnail storyboard.  A wonderful program for drawing your own thumbnail storyboards is the free version of ArtRage2.

Thumbnail storyboard frames filmed from inside the line

Draw a line between the actors

 * The Floor Plan!
 * Look at the floor plan for this movie. Then draw a line between the two people in the story.  Unless they move or unless you move the camera while crossing the line, never jump across this line.  Rule: You must never cut from a shot on one side of the line to a different shot on the other side of the line.

The wall with the poster, the old person and the young person

Be careful when you cross the line between the the Young Person and the Old Person.

 * How This Works
 * Above is one possible floor plan for the movie Seduced by the Dark Side!. When you are filming, you can go anywhere you want.

 * However, when you are editing, you must never cut from a camera shot in the pink area to a camera shot in the green area. If  you do, there will be a sudden confusion in the mind of the audience.

§

· #1001 → ↔ The Young Person with the Old Person behind and the Poster

· #1002 → ↔ The Old Person with the Young Person behind and the Poster.

· #1003 → ↔ The Young Person turns to face the Older Person.

· #1004 → ↔ The Young Person talks to the Older Person.

· #1005 → ↔ Just the Young Person and the Old Person.

· #1006 → ↔ The Young Person talks as they both look straight ahead.

· #1007 → ↔ The Young Person turns and talks to the Old Person.

· #1008 → ↔ The Young Person turns and talks to the Old Person who is looking at the Young Person.

· #1009 → → The Old Person talks to the Young Person.

· #1010 → ↔ The Young Person talks (telephoto).

· #1011 → → The Old Person turns to the Young Person.

· #1012 →  →  → The Old Person thinks and then replies (wide-angle shot)

· #1013 → →  → The Old Person thinks and then replies (telephoto shot).

· #1014 → →   → The Old Person thinks and then replies (over-the-shoulder shot)

· #1015 → → Just the Young Person.

· #1016 → → The Young Person talks.

· #1017 → → The Young Person thinks.

· #1018 → → The Young Person turns and talks to the Old Person.

· #1019 → → The Old Person smiles.

· #1020 → → The Old Person talks.

· #1021 → → A close up of the Poster

Thumbnail storyboard frames outside the line
· #2001 → → A close up of the Poster from beyond the Young Person and the Old Person

· #2002 → → A shot of the Poster from far beyond the Young Person and the Old Person

· #2003 → → A shot of the Poster from far beyond the Young Person.

· #2004 → → The Young Person turns to the Old Person (Wide Angle - Over the Shoulder)

· #2005 → → The Young Person turns to the Old Person (telephoto - Over the Shoulder)

· #2006 → → The Young Person thinks.

· #2007 → → The Young Person talks.

· #2008 → → The Young Person talks.

· #2009 → → The Young Person talks (telephoto).

· #2010 → →  → A wide angle shot which is why the Old Person in the Distance looks distorted.

· #2011 → →  → The Old Person thinks and replies (telephoto shot).

· #2012 → →  → The Old Person thinks and then replies (over-the-shoulder shot).

· #2013 → →  The Old Person thinks and then talks to the Young Person.

· #2014 → → The Old Person Smiles.

· #2015 → → The Old Person talks to the Young Person (telephoto shot)

· #2016 → → The Old Person has turn to the Young Person and is talking.

· #2017 → → The Old Person has turn to the Young Person and the Young Person is talking.

Ending Shots
· #8001 → → A distant shot of the whole scene.

· #8002 → → Ending Shot of the Young Person and the Old Person walking.

· #8003 → → Ending Shot of the Young Person and the Old Person walking and then composited into the Matte Painting.

Ambiguous
· #0001 → → The Young Person is looking directly into the camera.

· #0002 → → The Old Person is looking directly into the camera.

A Blank Frame
· #9001 → → A blank thumbnail storyboard frame.

· #9002 → → A black thumbnail storyboard frame.

==By Ugoglen

· #3001 →

· #3002 →

· #3003 →

· #3004 →

· #3005 →

· #3006 →

· #3007 →

· #3008 →

· #3009 →

· #3010 →

· #3011 →

· #3012 →

Reference materials

 * Reference materials for Seduced by the Dark Side! that you might need.
 * All the Lesson 4 Storyboard Frames. This sheet will give you ideas for your storyboards.
 * The unformatted script. Print this script outline and use the numbers on this script for your thumbnail storyboards.
 * The original story. To get additional information for your storyboards, look at the original story.
 * The [[Media:SBTDS Script Ciprian2.pdf|formatted script]].
 * The floor plan for the movie set. This will help you plan your shots.

(aka All Storyboard Frames)


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nonclassical

Adjective

 * 1) Not classical.
 * 2)  Not governed by the rules of Newtonian mechanics, or by the classical theory of electromagnetism.

title: nonclassical