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Major Mining Sites of Wallonia

The Major Mining Sites of Wallonia is a UNESCO World Heritage Site comprising four sites in Wallonia in southern Belgium associated with the Belgian coal mining industry of the 19th and 20th centuries. The four sites of the grouping, situated in the French-speaking Hainaut Province and Liège Province, comprise Grand-Hornu, the Bois-du-Luc, the Bois du Cazier and Blegny-Mine.

Description
The site was recognized by the UNESCO commission in 2012 and is officially described:

The four sites of the property form a strip that is 170km long by 3 to 15 km, crossing Belgium from east to west. It consists of the best-preserved 19th- and 20th-century coal mining sites of the country. It features early examples of the utopian architecture from the early periods of the industrial era in Europe within a highly integrated, industrial and urban ensemble, notably the Grand-Hornu colliery and workers’ city designed by Bruno Renard in the first half of the 19th century. Bois-du-Luc includes numerous buildings erected from 1838 to 1909 and one of Europe’s oldest collieries dating back to the end of the 17th century. While the Walloon region had hundreds of collieries, most have lost their infrastructure, while the four components of the listed site retain a high measure of integrity.

History
During the Industrial Revolution in the 19th century, mining and the heavy industry that relied on coal formed a major part of Belgium's economy. Most of this mining and industry took place in the sillon industriel ("industrial valley" in French), a strip of land running across the country where many of the largest cities in Wallonia are located. The named locations of this World Heritage Site are all situated in or near the area of the sillon industriel.

The mining sector in Belgium declined during the 20th century during deindustrialization and today the four mines listed are no longer operational. Today, they are each open to visitors as museums and are an important part of Belgian industrial heritage.

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erica

Etymology
From the genus name.

Noun

 * 1) Any of many heathers, of the genus Erica, used as garden plants

Noun

 * 1) heather

Noun

 * 1)   ("heath, heather")

source: wikimedia

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Veikko Vainio

Veikko Vainio (born April 1, 1948) is a retired Finnish professional basketball player. At 6'9" (2.06 m) tall, he played at the center position. He earned All-Tournament Team honors at EuroBasket 1967.

College career
Vainio played college basketball at Brigham Young University (BYU), with the Cougars.

Club career
In his club career, Vainio won one Finnish League championship, in 1967, while playing with KTP.

Finnish national team
Vainio was a regular member of the senior Finnish national team, with whom he played in 68 games. He helped lead Finland to a sixth-place finish at the EuroBasket 1967, averaging 7.1 points per game. He was selected to the All-Tournament Team.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ABC Sports Indy Racing

The result was keep. Sources found, kudos to Czar. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 13:19, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

ABC Sports Indy Racing

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

This game fails WP:GNG because there is no significant coverage in multiple secondary reliable sources. I tried my best to search through the game magazine archives (even with the alternative ABC Sports Indy Racing: Road to the Indianapolis 500 title), but I only found a promotional short press release/announcement paragraph in PC Action. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 20:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 20:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

 * Delete Fails GNG. There's a possibility that unknown offline sourcing exists, but we cannot assume such exists at this time. -- ferret (talk) 17:19, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Was doing some due diligence when closing this discussion and the curiosity got the better of me... Reviews in PC Powerplay, PC Games, and PC Player (much shorter than the others) should be sufficient for the GNG. And here's the PC Action promo blurb mentioned in the nom. Kind of wild to keep this American game based on coverage entirely outside the US but here we are. Courtesy ping  czar  02:09, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no idea how you found PCG and Powerplay reviews since even just searching for "Indy Racing" on archive.org game magazines section just returns me results for Indy Racing 2000 game, good job! Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:05, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

 * Comment I am willing to withdraw this with new sources. I have also managed to find Arizona Republic coverage at . I will also WP:BOLD move the article to Indy Racing (1998 video game), considering "Indy Racing" seems to be the most common name for this title, and all sources are from 1998, which leads me to believe it's not a 1997 video game like the article says. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:05, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If you're happy I'm happy, withdraw away. -- ferret (talk) 13:14, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


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förening

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 * 1) association, organization (usually on a more local level)
 * 2) chemical compound
 * 3) merging; the process when two entities are combined into one

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Talk:TransAsia Airways Flight 235/Archive 1

Accident images
There is a dash cam video of the plane hiring the bridge. A composite image of 3-4 still images from the video could and should be made and added to this article, under fair use. AHeneen (talk) 09:01, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There is an image that has been widely circulated on social media and is linked to on the current version of this page. I believe it was originally posted on Twitter by @Missxoxo168 but this person has now protected their account. Davidreid (talk) 09:51, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I have been in talks with some users with Wikimedia Taiwan to see if she would be able to release them to us, but that might get drowned out in the rest of the press asking for interviews, the images, and other things. It is part of a video from the looks of it, which are on various YouTube channels for news sources. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

This video is marked as CC-BY and the description says so. But I'm not sure if the uploader is the author. emijrp (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Coordinates need a source
, how did you arrive at those coordinates? Anyone know of a source for precise location? ― Mandruss  ☎  13:39, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Now has changed the coordinates. Pcchou, how did you arrive at your coordinates?? ― Mandruss  ☎  14:29, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

The exact coordinates where the plane hit the road are 25.062866, 121.617007 or 25°03'46.3"N 121°37'01.2"E! They are from Dash-cam video too. As you say No original research. But original or not, Mandruss, you can use Google Map "browse street view images" to these coordinates and Dash-cam for crash to see if you want. Change them or specify for what coordinates it comes - coordinates of the crash or coordinates where they dragged plane after crash. — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 14:59, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

 * We will eventually need a source if we can find one. While we are waiting for that, original research with reasoning is better than original research without reasoning. Looking at the dashcam in this New York Times article, it looks like most of the debris is just after the U-shaped structure that spans the road. I place that location at about 25.062876,121.616919. From that I would estimate the entry into the water at about 25.063477,121.617756 which I would round to four decimal positions or 25.0635,121.6178. Do you (or anyone else) disagree? If so, why? ― Mandruss  ☎  15:29, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Please add new comments at the bottom. It is impossible to understand the thread if your responses come before what you are responding to. How do you know that? I do not see any coordinates on the file page File:TransAsia Airways Flight 235.JPG. ― Mandruss  ☎  15:44, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

 * 25.063063, 121.618383 or 25°03'47.0"N 121°37'06.2"E. These are the coordinates of the image with submerged plane that is in the Article.
 * How do you know that? I do not see any coordinates on the file page File:TransAsia Airways Flight 235.JPG. ― Mandruss  ☎  15:47, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Use "Google brows street view images" Go to the road near the coordinates where I have given you for image. Turn your head to the left. Do you see specific oval building. Now, look the image in Article again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 16:05, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Close enough. Done. ― Mandruss  ☎  16:16, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

I was talking to another Wikipedian who could read Taiwanese and he told me where the press over there was reporting the crash site to be, so I wasn't coming up with it out of the blue. Based on the video and images available though, I made an approximation to the site, since it was easy enough to triangulate where it would have been in relation to the structures in the area. It might not have been the perfect approach, but as the IP wrote above, it's a start. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:28, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have just updated the coords per the discussion above, are you ok with them? ― Mandruss  ☎  16:30, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's fine with me, as I knew they wouldn't be perfect, but it would be a start for those who wanted to know where this roughly occurred. Thanks for your help with this! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:32, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Scroll down to the bottom of http://appweb.cna.com.tw/webm/menu/akey/201502045005.aspx and there is a map of the flight path. It appears to be upsidedown. Abductive  (reasoning) 19:00, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Alakzi has entered the correct coordinates. One can tell from the pale blue building on the bank of the river in some photos of the rescue operation. Abductive  (reasoning) 01:00, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 25.062866, 121.617007 or 25°03'46.3"N 121°37'01.2"E Exact where plane hit the road, but no matter your new coordinates are good.(Dashcam video http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/02/04/vo-taiwan-transasia-crash-dash-cam-video.tvbs-taiwan). Plane hit water may be somewhere here 25.063022, 121.617694 or 25°03'46.9"N 121°37'03.7"E

Choice of images and placement
(separated from previous discussion)― Mandruss  ☎  08:01, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

May I suggest taking the lead from the Chinese version of the page as far as choice of images and placement? Jlick (talk) 07:52, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Got a link? ― Mandruss  ☎  08:05, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * zh:復興航空235號班機空難 Mjroots (talk) 09:34, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * In general you can find the links to the page in other languages on the left-side toolbar. As this is an event mainly affecting Taiwanese and Chinese, the Chinese language page tends to be more detailed and up-to-date. Jlick (talk) 09:48, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, that link would be very useful if one could find it without knowing the Chinese word for "Chinese". I'll try the one Mjroots provided. ― Mandruss  ☎  11:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * - if you hold the mouse over the link, it will tell you what language it is. I don't know if it will help, but the "word" you are looking for is 中文. Mjroots (talk) 11:18, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. You learn something every day. So I looked at it, and I'm not thrilled by the choice of images. The tiny-boats-in-river one is particularly bad composition and would add little to the article. And a photo of a fire station? No offense, but I think we're doing ok on our own. Others may differ. But it looks like they picked up our infobox photo within about an hour of our adding it. ― Mandruss  ☎  11:22, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Lede
Of course, the AVINAME brigade has arrived to rid the lede of any continuity. Alakzi (talk) 02:33, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * What exactly is this supposed to mean? I assume you're referring to this edit to the first paragraph of the lead?
 * Before:
 * "On 4 February 2015, 10:55 local time (UTC+8), a TransAsia Airways ATR 72-600 crashed into the Keelung River, 5.4 km (3.4 mi) east of Taipei Songshan Airport, shortly after takeoff from Songshan. The aircraft was operating TransAsia Airways Flight 235 (GE235/TNA235), a Taiwanese domestic flight from Taipei to Kinmen (Quemoy). There were 53 passengers and five crew on board. 15 people have been rescued."
 * After:
 * "TransAsia Airways Flight 235 (GE235/TNA235) was a Taiwanese domestic flight which crashed into the Keelung River at 10:55 local time (UTC+8) on 4 February 2015 shortly after takeoff from Taipei Songshan Airport, 5.4 km (3.4 mi) to the west. The TransAsia Airways flight, operated with a ten-month-old ATR 72-600 aircraft, was flying from Taipei to Kinmen (Quemoy) with 53 passengers and five crew on board. Fifteen people have been rescued."
 * First, the change does create continuity with all other aviation accident articles that follow the guidelines (found at WP:AVINAME). Second, per WP:LEADSENTENCE, the page title should be the subject of the first sentence. I don't understand what you're complaining about? AHeneen (talk) 03:57, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Does that not read unnatural to you? It's just a roundabout way to say what was previously said in a descriptive manner, in a normative manner. Alakzi (talk) 11:49, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Taipei Fire Department and rescue efforts
The Rescue crews in Taiwan work to free passengers trapped in TransAsia plane source mentions "Wu Jun-hong, a Taipei Fire Department official who was coordinating the  rescue...". I would consider this a sufficient source for inclusion of a mention of the Taipei Fire Department coordinating the rescue efforts. I guess there might be an issue with going from an official coordinating to saying the department itself was doing the coordinating, but I personally see it as semantics, rather than OR or SYNTH. — daranz [ t ] 15:43, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, if you feel that detail is article-worthy. Thanks for talking. ― Mandruss  ☎  15:57, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Infobox photo choice
Comments? ― Mandruss  ☎  03:14, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) As far as I can tell, the infoboxes in a majority of aircraft-accident articles use a pre-accident photo of the aircraft when one is available.
 * 2) The river photo is not particularly informative, showing only an unrecognizable floating object, presumed to be fuselage.

 * Whereas GAs, like TAM Airlines Flight 3054, Adam Air Flight 172 and USAir Flight 405, don't. There's no hard-and-fast rule. Alakzi (talk) 03:23, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

 * I didn't claim there was a hard-and-fast rule (actually that would be a ridiculous claim, as there are no hard-and-fast rules at Wikipedia). I said it appears that's the case in a majority, and I questioned whether the alternative is better. ― Mandruss  ☎  03:26, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No, but the implication is that a pre-accident photo should be favoured for being the norm. If we're talking about the accident, it seems to follow that we should show a photo of the accident. Alakzi (talk) 03:35, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, so we disagree. Not the first time. That's why we're here in talk. Awaiting other comments. ― Mandruss  ☎  03:38, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Unless I'm blind, there are no pre-accident photos for any of your three examples, so of course we don't show pre-accident photos for them. ― Mandruss  ☎  03:33, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Regardless of the lack of pre-accident photos, the infobox should have a photo of the accident if it's available since the article is about the accident. AHeneen (talk) 03:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

I'll take the liberty of adding to the list of those who support the pre-accident photo. It seems safe since they made the last edit to put it back. ― Mandruss  ☎  04:58, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * An image of the crash scene is to be prefered. I can't imagine why a pic of an intact plane is what the readers are expecting. Abductive  (reasoning) 05:38, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I would rather see a photo of that type of plane as it normally looks than a picture of an unrecognizable mess.--Thnidu (talk) 05:51, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * An uncrashed plane looks like a plane. Add the image somewhere to the article. Abductive  (reasoning) 05:54, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This might look like this to you, but it would be wrong to assume that most readers are like you in that respect. Look, there are pros and cons to both sides of the question. It simply a matter of how much weight to give to each pro and con. We disagree on that, and there's nothing for any of us to gain by acting like the other side is a bunch of idiots because they fail to see the obvious truth. Let's just give this another 48 hours or so to get more opinions, and then count opinions, implement the consensus, shake hands, and move on. There's no real hurry on this. Okay? I would also like to suggest that you read WP:BRD. It's BRD, not BRDRD. The article needs to remain in the state it was when the discussion started, until the the discussion is completed. If you fail to observe that rule, there is no question who the edit warrior is. Trust me, I've seen this situation too many times at AN/EW. ― Mandruss  ☎  06:36, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * If you look at all the 2014 plane crash articles, you'll see images of a plane that isn't even the one that crashed used. Why? Because no free image of the plane exists. So you guys have gotten used to it--that's the only reason you think the infobox should hold a pic of the undamaged plane. Abductive  (reasoning) 06:42, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That's another valid argument for your side. But it is not the only valid argument and it is not the end of the discussion. Now, would you like to self-revert, or shall I do it? ― Mandruss  ☎  06:47, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * IMHO, it is the quality of the image which should be the deciding factor. The infobox photo is the first that the reader will see, so it should be a good one. SeeBOAC Flight 712 (a GA), where a really good quality photo of the accident is available and has been used in the infobox. In this case. the photo of the aircraft is better than that of the accident. Mjroots (talk) 06:29, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, what distinguishes an article with a crash picture is that some Wikipedian went out and took the picture, and when the plane crashed somewhere without easy access, the picture if it taken by those air spotters is used because those guys are prolific. But I say again, lay people (not airplane buffs like I suspect some of you here are) will be looking for the crash pictures. If you don't believe me check how many of the news media stories show a picture of the undamaged plane at all. Abductive  (reasoning) 06:34, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I prefer the photo of the original aircraft as it is so on most other articles about plane crashes on wikipedia, and it is weird if this article doesn't follow the pattern. PhilipxD  06:44, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Abductive - there was no such thing as a Wikipedian in 1968. We are grateful to M940504 for taking the photos and allowing them to be used worldwide. But they do not show up well at a smaller size. Mjroots (talk) 06:49, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

The article is about the crash and the infobox should contain an image of the crash. It can and should use an image of the plane hitting the bridge, under fair use. AHeneen (talk) 07:05, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you saying we should put this in the infobox? And despite the fact that it is nominated for deletion? ― Mandruss  ☎  07:18, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. The photo is nominated for deletion because it was tagged "Public domain" and that the author is unknown. The photo needs fair use rationale, plus it needs to be smaller. It's 1080x600 pixels...too big for Non-free content criteria (see specifically WP:Image resolution). AHeneen (talk) 07:26, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I could support that, it's a far better photo than the river photo, imo. I could handle the resize, but I don't know how to add the fair use rationale. ― Mandruss  ☎  07:29, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I now realize that it was uploaded to Commons, which is where the deletion discussion is. Although there is a case to be made that a pre-positioned recording device doesn't meet the threshold of originality to be copyrightable (see my comment at the photo's deletion discussion). I don't know how to handle the resize, but will handle the upload and fair use within an hour. AHeneen (talk) 07:37, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I gather (1) we're uploading locally instead of at Commons, and (2) we still need a resize. I now have three versions on my computer:
 * The original, 1080x600.
 * A resize of the original, 640x356.
 * A version cropped on the left, eliminating all of the buildings there and a little more, to give a 4:3 aspect ratio, and resized to 640x480. Since 480 is 34% larger than 356, the plane would appear that much larger in the thumbnail.
 * If you can tell me which of the latter two you want, and tell me how (I have no image experience except for Commons), I can upload it. ― Mandruss  ☎  07:59, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ File has been uploaded at File:TransAsia Flight 235 crash.png and added to the infobox. I've uploaded a 320 × 178 pixel version, which was one of the other preview sizes available for the image that was uploaded to Commons. I left out "Airways" in the name of the file, but that's not an important issue. AHeneen (talk) 08:28, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Only problem is that even at full size you can't make out the taxi. You can in either of my versions (a little better in the 640x480 one). I think that adds something significant. ― Mandruss  ☎  08:31, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and uploaded the 640x480. Note that the file page says: "This tag is not a sufficient claim of fair use", etc. ― Mandruss  ☎  09:11, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Guys, you're getting there. The image also needs a non-free fair use rationale. See File:G-ARWE-2.jpg for an example of this. Once that is sorted, there should not be a problem with it being nominated for deletion. Mjroots (talk) 09:22, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Knock yerself out! I don't know how to do that stuff, and I'm not feeling inclined to learn at the moment. ― Mandruss  ☎  09:27, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Non-free fair use in Mjroots (talk) 09:37, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Just so you know, the image is now tagged for speedy deletion. ― Mandruss  ☎  12:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * FFS, do I have to do everything myself? Mjroots (talk) 12:22, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * LOL. No, just this. ― Mandruss  ☎  12:24, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

 * There was already non-free use rationale? Also, Popular Mechanics don't hold copyright on this photo. Alakzi (talk) 12:25, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

 * I don't understand the need for the second template. The first one was added during the upload wizard and already explained how the image meets Wikipedia's NFCC, including a field for the article it's used in. If more needs to be added, why wouldn't the upload wizard explain that more needed to be done. Anyways, I was asleep and just happened to wake up to find an email about the speedy deletion (talk page message), so commented on the image talk page and here...I won't be around to edit for several more hours for further discussion. (It's not particularly easy to navigate & edit WP on a mobile phone) AHeneen (talk) 12:37, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The first one covers the image. The second one covers its use in an article. It is possible for a NFFU image to be used in more than one article, but a separate NFFUR template is needed for each use - see File:Barham Black.jpg, which is used in Black Mill, Barham and List of windmills in Kent, Mjroots (talk) 13:17, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That's not what the template documentation or WP:NFC says. Besides, the first box did quite clearly cover its use in this article. Alakzi (talk) 13:35, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * See WP:NFCCP, Section 10. part c. Mjroots (talk) 15:30, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was already there. Have you read the first box? Alakzi (talk) 16:03, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Pprune
Pprune is not a reliabl source. However, it is a source of reliable sources. This discussion thread on the accident has many links that may be of use, as well as much original research on the cause of the accident. If we can resist the urge to include the latter, it can be a valuable too in expanding the article. Mjroots (talk) 17:51, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

"External video" box
The "External video" box in the Investigation section contains links to three dashcam videos, Nearest, Second nearest, and Farthest. Second nearest is now dead and is likely to remain dead. Farthest is so far as to be almost useless. Anyone opposed to dropping the box and keeping only Nearest? In External links? ― Mandruss  ☎  18:44, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Was this the second nearest? Alakzi (talk) 19:00, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup. Fixed. Thanks. ― Mandruss  ☎  19:09, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Can anyone translate the speech in Second nearest for me? Just curious. (I know what I'd be saying at that point, but it's not for mixed company.) ― Mandruss  ☎  19:15, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: I moved the box from Investigation to Flight. More reader value there. ― Mandruss  ☎  19:30, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Need for clarity
The phrase "crash-landed into the Keelung River after hitting Nanhu Bridge" suggests that striking the bridge caused the crash. While the exact cause of the crash is not known at this stage it is clear that the plane was out of control and in the process of crash landing before it hit the bridge. This phrase needs to be edited for greater clarity. Davidreid (talk) 07:25, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

 * The phrase "crash-landed" is very poor nomenclature, unless it is valid to describe ALL air crashes as "landings" too. Even if so-called "reliable" press media use inane phrases like that, we should not regurgitate such ignorant reporting. Let's not forget popular press media are among the most common "getting-it-wrong" sources we can reference, especially in the first few days after such accidents. EditorASC (talk) 01:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

scissors
"scissors were therefore used to cut and detach the seats" - really? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:17, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It might be lost in translation of the jaws of life. Mjroots (talk) 17:04, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Unrelated "crash", possibly worth mentioning somewhere
Does anyone think there would be any reason to include this skid off a runway of the same plane model on the same day of the accident? I don't have any reason to add it, but it might be worth a mention somewhere. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:39, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope and nope, imo ― Mandruss  ☎  16:44, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

 * As you said, it's unrelated... there's no gain from including it Audigex (talk) 17:09, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Port or left
We keep going back to "port". Is this a convention specified by WikiProject Aviation? "Left" sounds more appropriate to me, probably because that's the word used without exception by news sources. Google News Archive Search produces these results:

transasia 235 "left wing" - about 650 hits

transasia 235 "port wing" - no news hits, but one hit at Wikipedia (this article)

Granted, a lot of the "left wing" hits are referring to liberals. Nevertheless, even a small fraction of 650 is a lot more than zero.

What is the reasoning for "port", besides someone's vague idea of "correctness"? If av-buff correctness is the goal, we should be referring to a flameout in the number one engine. ― Mandruss  ☎  06:03, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

 * I agree with "left", per WP:JARGON. AHeneen (talk) 15:39, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Glad to hear that. A user "John" changed everything back to "left" a few hours ago, so maybe it will stick this time. If not, I call this a consensus! ― Mandruss  ☎  15:42, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

 * I agree as well. Alakzi (talk) 15:50, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

 * The problem with "Left and right" is that they're potentially relative. If the plane is upside down, is that the left, right or port wing? It also potentially uses a different frame of reference: is it right of the video, on the right hand side of the plane or even the "correct" wing. Port and starboard are unambiguous. Audigex (talk) 17:12, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * People will generally understand left to mean left-hand, just like if we were to talk about the left side of your car. Alakzi (talk) 17:15, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The left wing is always the left wing, whether the aircraft is right side up, upside down, or standing on its tail (and all news sources agree, as I showed above). Does your left arm become your right arm when you turn around? No ambiguity here, sorry. ― Mandruss  ☎  17:17, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

What flight engineer?
Flight engineer on an ATR 72-600? Wasn't it reported that the guy in the jumpseat was a check pilot? Alakzi (talk) 21:36, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen that, just going by one of the sources that was already there. It's an English language source, apparently in China or Taiwan. I've also seen reference to a flight engineer's body being recovered. So who to believe? ― Mandruss  ☎  21:43, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, the media seem to think that whenever there's a third in the cockpit, then it must be a flight engineer. The ATR doesn't have a FE station. I'll see if I can find a more reliable source. Alakzi (talk) 21:45, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I am sure it was reported before that he was a check pilot. MilborneOne (talk) 21:59, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Current Event
Does this still count as a "current event"? I added the banner but forgive me if I'm unfamiliar on the policies on what constitutes a current event. Thebombzen (talk) 05:03, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The banner is actually about the frequency of edits to the page, which is still quite high. On that basis, it is appropriate to keep the banner for now. WWGB (talk) 05:14, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Departure time discrepancy
There is a small time discrepancy between Flight and Investigation. According to Investigation, the flight departed somewhere between 10:51:13 (take-off clearance) and 10:52:34 ("contact Departure"). Flight says 10:53. To me, departure time would be narrowly construed as start of the take-off roll, which would have been very close to 10:51:20. Is this worth being concerned about? Is it even possible to resolve it? ― Mandruss  ☎  08:17, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

The reasons for the crew's action
"The authority made a preliminary determination that it was engine number 2 that went to idle/feather by itself and caused the very first warning sound at 10:52:38.3, but the crew then cut power to engine number 1 at 10:52:43.0. The reasons for the crew's action and the feathering of engine number 2 are undetermined as of yet"

The reason for the crew's action for cut power to engine number 1 after Warning sound is that this engine is start to "choking" due to insufficient flow of fuel to it. This action make a lot of sound, and they think that problem is in engine number 1. Now listen carefully in this video (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/06/asia/taiwan-transasia-plane-crash/index.html) how some of passenger hear sound from the LEFT SIDE (Engine N1) and move to the RIGHT SIDE of the plane shortly after take off. If idle/feather action for engine N2 is automatic this will prevent this engine from "choking" because fuel flow is reduced and probably sufficient for normal work of engine because of IDLE - i.e. engine N2 will look fine and as it action is normal reaction of "broken" noisy left engine N1.

"10:53:06 — Crew discuss cutting power to engine number 1 (left engine) and confirm engine number 2 (right engine) is idle. "

But not confirm that it is FEATHERING - i.e. they don't know it.

Feathering is to set the prop pitch lever so instead of facing at a right angle to drive air backwards and produce thrust, the propeller will instead turn edge-first into the airstream, reducing drag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enchev EG (talk • contribs) 16:44. 6 February2015

 * As this is not a forum do you have a suggestion based on reliable sources to improve the article? MilborneOne (talk) 16:47, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Per WP:NOR, we wait for official announcements. This has been speculated elsewhere. There is WP:NORUSH to insert details into the article, particularly not unconfirmed rumour or gossip. Mjroots (talk) 17:06, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

 * "10:52:38 — Warning sound recorded 10:52:43 — Crew cut power to left engine". For less than 5 seconds the crew decided to CUT THE POWER to the left engine when plane is still in gaining altitude. This can be done only when there is direct danger for MECHANICAL DESTRUCTION of LEFT ENGINE due to some kind of MECHANICAL ISSUE. There are two ways for the crew to determine that: 1. To see something wrong in engine and propellers (like smoke, fire or breakage) or 2. To hear something in engine work. In the dashcam videos it is clearly visible that there is no smoke, fire or breakage of left side. Only point 2 must be the reason for such unbelievable fast decision to CUT POWER of engine in such critical phase in the flight under 5 seconds! As I show you even CNN confirms that some of the passengers heard sound from left engine that scared them. This sound is heard and by pilots and is probable cause for their fast decision. If I do speculation on this subject - authorities make them too. There is no way for them to know what happened in PILOT'S HEADS. Question is why you publish their crap, but mine can not be even in talk section? If you see something ILLOGICAL in them - tell me. The problem with authorities is that they don't tell to public whether "idle/feather by itself" is normal function of the emergency system and whether it is DESCRIBE in CREW CHECKLIST and if the PILOTS ARE AWARE OF THIS FUNCTION. If they don't know about it - this automatically make them free from guilt. AS YOU SEE YOU CHANGED VERSION IN ARTICLE "Investigation" DRASTICALLY after my comment here. Take this as evidence that my comments are productive in one or another way for Wiki. Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enchev EG (talk • contribs) 18:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Enchev EG, you're wasting your breath. If you wanna discuss the aspects of this crash, try PPRuNe. Alakzi (talk) 19:00, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * May be you are right and I wasting my breath. But I don't want to comment in forums but here. As I said above if you want DELETE MY POST - I wont hold a grudge.

 * "GE235 flight received take off clearance from SongShan tower at 1051:13, after took off, at 1052:33.8 ATC controller requested the crew to contact Taipei approach. After 5 seconds, (1052:38.3), master warning sounded in the cockpit associated with right engine(2) flame out procedure message on display unit. The crew called it out. At 1053:04.0 the recorded parameters indicated that the left engine power lever(1) was progressively retarded to flight idle. At 1053:24, the left engine condition lever(1) was set to fuel shutoff position resulting in left engine(1) shutdown. Between 1053:12.6 to 1053:18.8, several stall warnings sounded. Flight crew declared an emergency at 1053:34.9 and reported an engine flame out. At 1054:09.2, flight crew called several time for engine restart. At 1054:20 the recorded parameters indicates a restart of the left engine(1). At 1054:34.4, master warning sounded, 0.4 seconds later, CVR recorded unidentified sound. Both recorders stopped recording at 1054:36.

 * The above information are preliminary and subject to change. Aviation Safety Consul"

 * Ask question "How something derived from "black boxes" can be subject to change?" and you will understand who is speculate and who not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enchev EG (talk • contribs) 19:33, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

 * (a) I'm not in the business of deleting people's comments. (b) We base our articles on WP:reliable sources. An editor, in his capacity as an editor, never is a reliable source. Alakzi (talk) 19:44, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Question is: Do you want to know the truth or you want to know the version of authorities? I don't make changes in Main Article so you don't need to worry.

The probable sequence of events is the flowing:

1. Fuel Coagulation make fuel system clogged. 2. Emergency system is probably programed to go in to IDLE/FEATHERING mode when some sings of clogging are shown. 3. First problem is detected in the RIGHT ENGINE and system IDLE/FEATHERING it. 4. When the same problem is detected again in the LEFT ENGINE the system did not do anything because this will be illogical to IDLE/FEATHERING two engines at the same time. For this reason the LEFT ENGINE was left to working even though it was suffering from fuel insufficiency. 5. The LEFT ENGINE made "CHOKING" noises that were heard by the passengers and pilots - and let them to conclusion that problem is in it. 6. They cut power to the left engine, shot down it, and try to restart unsuccessfully - leaving the right engine in idle/(and without them knowing in) feathering mode. 7. Crash.

The Pilots shouldn't be blamed even if their actions are wrong - and they are such because of unknowing of system reaction in such situation. Obviously and authorities don't know exactly how system works - whats is left for ordinary pilots. Of course, they are trying to accuse them and will make lie after lie - because to tell truth how you buy low-quality aviation fuels and risk life of thousand of people every day is not acceptable for them.

Now you can write lies from "reliable sources" in the main article without problem. Who ever want "unreliable truths", can see them in Talk section here even they are speculations.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Enchev EG (talk • contribs) 20:12, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

 * The answer is, we report what reliable sources say at the time, even if it subsequently turns out not to be the case. There is WP:NORUSH to get info into the article the second someone speculates about it. Mjroots (talk) 22:06, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

As you can see the LIES have started (http://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/02/06/lead-dnt-marsh-transasia-plane-crash-taiwan.cnn). THE PROBLEMS ARE NOT IN ENGINES AT ALL - CLOGGED FUEL SYSTEM IS THE REAL PROBLEM. It is no matter that the crew trying to restart LEFT ENGINE - it was going to stop working on its one(losing thrust) due to insufficient fuel supply shortly after making "choking" sounds. In this situation they couldn't do anything. They trying to suggest you that the right engine is "broken", the left engine is "ok" - so that they can blame the pilots for shutdown "wrong" engine - but in reality this false feeling of "broken" and "ok" is made by the automatic emergency system that chose to idle/feathering right engine first making it "broken" in delude minds of the "investigators" and left engine "ok". As I said: neither engine was broken and problem was in fuel system.

Frankly, when I calculate the data from dash-cam 3570 fpm descent rate and 44 knots speed in the bridge - I was shocked. Of course, I might be wrong in some extent with this calculation but to stabilize it in such low speed and not crash in the building - the pilots deserve only respect. But as everything in this world the price for there bravery will be punishment.

Don't listen so called "investigators". Now days there are no true Investigators. Even such professional agencies as Air Accidents Investigation Branch are nearly broke - they have a minimum budget and can not afford to hire new experts. They hardly survive. And this is on purpose - of course. When you are on the edge of survival - you have no choice to talk truth, but only lies that are given to you from above. And note: I talk for "AAIB" not for such made up castles in the sky as "Aviation Safety Council" with whose "investigation report" I would wipe my ass.

As you see from these theme in Talk - they change all section that must be gathered from "black box" with total different data. Believe me, this information was not only on Wiki. They are trying different lies, and testing them piece by piece, day by day in order to achieve max plausible FALSE DATA that will support their lie. You will not see any real data from real "black boxes". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enchev EG (talk • contribs) 09:20, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Investigation section problem
I don't see this in your section.

10:52:43.0時提及將一號發動機油門收

Why you refer source 19 without using it?! http://www.appledaily.com.tw/realtimenews/article/life/20150206/555472 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enchev EG (talk • contribs) 10:32, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

 * I have asked you on your talk page to sign each of your comments with . This is "good practice" per WP:Signatures. Please begin doing that.

 * This is the English language Wikipedia, so please write in English. We can translate using online translators such as Google Translate, but that requires extra effort and the translation is not always good. The above text translates as "10:52:43.0 One mentioned the engine throttle to close". ― Mandruss  ☎  10:53, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

 * I also can make translate with Google Translate. My question was: WHY YOU USE REFERENCE 19 BUT NOT USING DATA IN IT FOR WIKI ARTICLE. Your section "Investigation" reference only from source 18 by ASC. Enchev EG (talk) 11:14, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

 * I have verified that all of the existing "sequence of events" content is provided by the first source. I have translated the second source and I do not see any information that I feel needs to be added at this time, so I will remove it. However, the translation is not good. I will make the second source a "hidden comment" so that it can easily be added back if necessary. The Google translation of the second source is as follows. Thank you.

(Update: Added fly Security Council press conference content)

The complex is difficult for the aviation, flight safety will be open this afternoon press conference description. An executive director Wang Fei said, when the plane took off with two engines are good, the problem number two engine off after a warning, another number of engine throttle is cut, there is no automatic function, is artificially controlled, but fly Security Council now is not going to discuss who is going to turn off, but was sitting in the cockpit Liao Jianzong left seat, is the master.

Wang stressed that normal One engine does not automatically turned off, but the data on it is turned off, but the flight safety will not say who now turned off, and the other as long as there is a revival of the crashed aircraft is a two minute with engine failure. II aircraft engine (right engine) at a height of 1200 feet generate an automatic feathering (a system to automatically feathering), the aircraft will provide the driver a warning system to inform II engine problems, II engine failure, then One engine throttle is slowly coming back, is turned off, actually number two engine has been promoting and fuel door, the last driver to try to re-start the One engine, but did not complete the full start-up operation, the final restart of the engine is invalid.

Flying Security Council, said the aircraft took off after 1 minute warning came cockpit sound, suspected engine on condition occurs within three minutes had five points appear stall warning. Wang said that issue aircraft altitude 5th stall warning, the 1st 53 minutes 10 seconds height of 1600 feet, the second 53 minutes 56 seconds height of 700 feet, the third 54 minutes 06 seconds height of 500 feet, 4 54 minutes 13 seconds times the height of 500 feet is also the first 54 minutes 24 seconds five times the height of 300 feet, Wang said, the aircraft altitude at 500 feet maintained for some time.

Wang said the information came out after the fact-finding, recently discovered in the fly if there is a need to improve the placement of there immediately, and will be immediately on the ATR fleet or TransAsia Airways issued "Interim Flight Safety Notice" will not wait until the end of the whole investigation, but there is no An interim report to be published fly.

Flying Security Council press release said that this year February 4 TransAsia Airways an ATR 72-600 aircraft type, nationality mark and registration number B-22816, flight number GE 235 flights take off from Songshan Airport at 10:51 execution passenger task, on-board positive, co-pilot of a people, a people observer, cabin crew for 2 people, 53 passengers, a total of 58 people. The aircraft crashed after takeoff in Songshan Airport Keelung. According to the latest information the crash of the Central Disaster Response Center released on this day, the current death toll of 35 people, eight were not found there. Flying Security Council on February 4 after the Civil Aeronautics Administration received a notification, immediately set GE235 ad hoc investigation team to the scene. Survey members include Aviation Safety Council, Civil Aeronautics Administration, TransAsia Airways, French accident investigation bureau BEA, aircraft manufacturing company ATR, Canada Accident Investigation Bureau TSB, Transport Canada and the PWC PWC engine manufacturing companies, such as from about 38 people. GE235 The group is divided into flight operations, airworthiness and maintenance, wreckage, records, a survivor of factors, ATC / meteorological six groups and a total of 38 people. Grouping the case record was made February 4 cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder, the night complete data recorder download, time synchronization and interpretation (aircraft cockpit voice recorder (CVR) have two hours recording capacity, solid-state type flight data recorder (Solid-State Flight Data Recorder, SSFDR), about 750 parameters were recorded; salvaged wreckage has been completed after positioning and structural damage assessment records, including rafting and scattered wreckage focus placed on the Air Force base in Matsuyama headquarters; other groups investigating the progress of each case has been published in a press release before the progress of the investigation. Flight Safety will provide information at the time as follows: GE235 10:51:13 eligible Matsuyama flight takeoff clearance issued by the tower in Taipei time. After take-off and at 10:52: 33.8 Upon receipt of a request linking Taipei tower near field units. After nearly five seconds (10: 52: 38.3), the emergence of the main cockpit warning sound. Then the crew 10: 52: 43.0, referring to the One engine throttle back. 10:53:00 begin to discuss the program when the engine stalled. After about six seconds (10: 53: 06.4), the flight crew back again mention One engine throttle and confirm II engine flameout. 10:53: 12.6 to 10: 53: 18.8, the first occurrence of the cockpit stall warning sounds. 10:53: 19.6, the crew already mentioned One engine feathered and off the oil, appeared about two seconds after the stall warning sounds again. Flight crew at 10:53: 34.9 Matsuyama tower when the mayday call and inform the engine flameout. 10:54: 09.2, the crew drove repeatedly call again. 10:54: 34.4 cockpit occur when a second major warning sound, 0.4 seconds after the record is recorded to an unknown sound. Flight recorder in 10: 36.6 stops recording when: 54. (Life Center / Taipei)

 * ― Mandruss  ☎  11:36, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Current event?
Is it right to rm the current event template because it is still in the Portal:Current events JustPlaneEditing (talk) 13:24, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I've successfully avoided this squabble until now. I just read the template guidelines and they clearly guide against using the tag in this case. Therefore I'd strongly oppose it. ― Mandruss  ☎  13:29, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Per the template guidelines (I'm assuming the OP read this...) - "Generally it is expected that this template and its closely related templates will appear on an article for less than a day".  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:31, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Thanks for pointing that out JustPlaneEditing (talk) 13:32, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Taiwan or Republic of China
I think it might be useful to (1) establish an explicit consensus on this question, and (2) link to this thread in the edit summaries of reverts that return us to the consensus. We can put a DNAU in the thread to prevent it from being archived. The following could be copied-and-pasted into an edit summary:

Comments?

I don't have much of an opinion, except that WP:COMMONNAME would seem to support "Taiwan" per these results from Google News Archive Search:

taiwan - about 86 million hits

"republic of china" -"people's republic of china" - about 50,000 hits

Our article's title is Taiwan, also supporting the above. ― Mandruss  ☎  08:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

 * taiwan IS the republic of china. that's the formal name.  the people's republic of china is china.  just like america's formal name is the united states of america.  no one ever refers to the democratic people's republic of korea- we all call it north korea.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 10:06, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand that Taiwan IS the Republic of China. This thread is about establishing an explicit consensus about which name to use in this article. I gather you support "Taiwan". Thank you. ― Mandruss  ☎  10:37, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Dont need a straw pool as the normal convention is to use the name of the wikipedia article that is currently Taiwan and China. MilborneOne (talk) 16:46, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Technically, you're correct. However, this might reduce the endless back-and-forth that we have been dealing with for days. The idea being that a less-experienced editor probably understands consensus better than COMMONNAME. ― Mandruss  ☎  16:51, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

 * I also agree with the no need for a straw poll. This is an article about the TransAsia flight, NOT the Country. As such, we stick with pre-existing decisions on the article of the country in question, we shouldn't introduce inconsistencies just because a (smaller) consensus here disagrees with the one about the subject of the argument. I don't care which is right, I care that this isn't the place to discuss it: If you disagree, go discuss it on the Taiwan article, and in the meantime stick with convention. Audigex (talk) 17:15, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There is zero chance for a consensus here against Taiwan. As I have tried to explain, (1) I completely understand that we shouldn't need to be doing this, and (2) my hope is that this can be used to reduce the hassle involved in fighting the people who insist on ROC and PRC. Honestly, this thread is becoming more hassle than that for me, and I'm beginning to regret trying to address the problem in this way. Maybe it would be easier to just warn these people a few times and then take them to AN/EW. ― Mandruss  ☎  17:32, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Straw poll
NOTE: Support for Taiwan will also imply support for China not People's Republic of China.
 * Taiwan per WP:COMMONNAME and Taiwan article title. ― Mandruss  ☎  10:43, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Taiwan - for <IP_ADDRESS>, per their comments. ― Mandruss  ☎  10:43, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Taiwan (and China) per WP:COMMONNAME Mjroots (talk) 11:18, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Taiwan for ROC and China for PRC, per COMMONNAME. AHeneen (talk) 15:21, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Taiwan, common name and stop to turn around. Yug (talk)  16:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Compressor surge
Question: What is the strange sound from the Left Engine heard by passengers and pilots?

Answer: This sound is call "Compressor surge" (http://www.cast-safety.org/pdf/1_basics.pdf) and you may hear it in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFLqOtlyyqI)

Of course, the so called Investigators will not tell you that. They will quietly pass this subject, because then restart of left engine will become with compulsory character and pilots action will be logically.

"Compressor surge" and "Fuel filter clogging" are two events that usually accrue during take off and gaining of altitude. But as I said - they all are silent. The easiest and cheapest thing to do is to blame the pilots.

( If a compressor surge (sometimes called a compressor stall) occurs during high power at takeoff, the flight crew will hear a very loud bang, which will be accompanied by yaw and vibration. The bang will likely be far beyond any engine noise, or other sound, the crew may have previously experienced in service. http://www.b737.org.uk/enginemalfunctions.htm )

(Fuel filter clogging will usually be seen at high-power settings, when the fuel flow through the filter(and the sensed pressure drop across the filter) is greatest. http://www.cast-safety.org/pdf/1_basics.pdf )

Enchev EG (talk) 16:53, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

 * I participate in creation of the main article, but not directly. After some time in the article will be special section named "Compressor surge" but you still don't know it. Be patient - I know that this is not forum - and for this reason I'm here. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enchev EG (talk • contribs) 17:59, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

See also section
Of the four links in the section, I would question whether the Short Solent accident should be there. I can't see any strong connection. US Airways Flight 1549 should probably stay for now, but should be removed if it is proven that a birdstrike did not cause the loss of the engine in this accident. Mjroots (talk) 19:35, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Crash shortly after takeoff with engine trouble, one of hundreds. No other connection. Can it. ― Mandruss  ☎  19:46, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sky News now reporting that the crew shut down the wrong engine. Therefore I propose that the Air Florida flight be deleted (cause was icing), and the Kegworth Air Disaster be substituted, as that was a similar cause. Mjroots (talk) 19:55, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The Air Florida flight is listed because of the similar circumstances: it crashed into a river shortly after takeoff, clipping a motorway bridge in a major city, and there were even some survivors.AHeneen (talk) 06:31, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * - this is why I reverted you. Widely reported now that a functioning engine was shut down. Mjroots (talk) 18:24, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I never doubted that. However, "widely reported" isn't good enough for something like this. See the section I started below. --John (talk) 18:26, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Map
As for the map, I think it would be good to have it on the right side, as for malaysian's crash, and to get a sense of the localisation directly within Wikipedia's page. As there is currectly debates on its inclusion, I put it here. Yug (talk)  20:50, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Thank you for talking instead of edit-warring. I disagree with you. It gives no sense of localisation unless the reader already knows where Taiwan is in the world. If the reader clicks on the coordinates and goes to Google Maps or another interactive map tool, they can zoom in or out as much as they want. This is a waste of page space. ― Mandruss  ☎  20:55, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

 * If the issue is that it's too localised, then perhaps this will do. I disagree for the opposite reason: that it's not localised enough. If people wanna find out where Taipei is, they can just click on Taipei. Alakzi (talk) 21:00, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll be opposed to any map, since the reader is two clicks away from all the map functionality they could ever need or want. If someone wants to create a smallish map showing the flight path, I think that would be a lot more useful. ― Mandruss  ☎  21:08, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Alakzi (talk) 21:12, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, only the thumbnail needs to be smallish, the image itself could be largeish. ― Mandruss  ☎  21:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, we need something like this https://www.facebook.com/flightradar24/photos/pcb.844984902207601/844984642207627/?type=1&theater, creating in Open Street Map maybe. - Eugεn  S¡m¡on  (14) ®  11:38, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * - Keep the map, people who don't know Taiwan will easily understanding where it has occurred. _Varma 12:02, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * @User:Mandruss: "I'll be opposed to any map, since the reader is two clicks away from all the map functionality they could ever need or want." : then let's not write any article content and let's just write the reference sections, readers will be 1 click away from all fact they could ever need or want. Let's also not include any images, for the same reason: images are just one click away. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 13:33, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments. There isn't a lot of room in the body for any more images, so we have to be very selective about what we put there. Things are already very cramped. If you have too many images for the amount of text, you end up with a lot of white space which is something to be avoided (or the images push down into the References section). If someone wants to create a gallery near the bottom, a thumbnail for a map like this could be put there. Let's see what others think. ― Mandruss  ☎  13:53, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There's not much room in the article for a map of where Taipei is. However, a map could be created to show the flight path from the airport to the river, with annotations/notes of where events occurred (recorded/available from Flightradar24). I will try to make such a map sometime during the next few days (when I have time to do so). AHeneen (talk) 15:59, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I was just about to say exactly what <IP_ADDRESS> said. PhilipXD  04:51, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * A chinese language map...must be traslated

- Eugεn  S¡m¡on  (14) ®  12:38, 7 February 2015 (UTC) I am the author of this Map, then I made a English version, but I am not a confirm account of English Wikipedia, so I cannot upload the file, so sad..Tonghuix (talk) 04:55, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Philipxd has uploaded a version with both Chinese and English, and it is in use in this article. I have asked them if they might remove the Chinese. ― Mandruss  ☎  05:00, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I upload a English version svg file, so that others language could translate to their own. Tonghuix (talk) 05:54, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Cause some English strings copied from FDR and CVR, and my english not very good, so I upload svg file is Ge235 milestones en.svg Tonghuix (talk) 06:11, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


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Cookbook:Meatloaf

| Meat Recipes

Meat loaf is a meat dish, usually cooked in a bread loaf pan, made from ground beef and some sort of binder, often eggs, and seasoned with various spices and sauces. It is generally made by simply blending all ingredients together in a bowl, and is thus a quick and easy dish to prepare.

There are several recipes for meatloaf available in this cookbook:
 * Meatloaf I; with Worcestershire sauce and mushrooms.
 * Meatloaf II; a basic meat loaf.
 * Meatloaf III; a more basic meat loaf.
 * Potato Meat Loaf, Cheeseburger with potatoes in every slice!
 * Meatloaf IV; a meat loaf baked in a Dutch oven or glass baking pan.
 * Meatloaf V; a meat loaf using chickpeas or beans to stretch the meat. Also includes a vegan variant.
 * Meatloaf of Austria (Faschierter Braten)
 * Meatloaf Dinner

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title: Cookbook:Meatloaf


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Committee on the Judiciary

Committee on the Judiciary may mean:
 * United States House Committee on the Judiciary
 * United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary
 * Personnel, Public Grievances, Law and Justice (Parliament of India)

title: Committee on the Judiciary


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User:RyanTine

Hi! I originally created my Wikipedia Account as part of a Graduate Information/Computer Science Course and I plan to make copyediting contributions as I have experience with this task.

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Augustus Andrew Fritsch

Augustus Andrew Fritsch (1866-1933), known as A. A. Fritsch, was an Australian architect best known for a series of Romanesque Revival style red brick Roman Catholic churches built across Victoria from the 1900s to the 1920s.

Early years
Augustus Andrew Fritsch was born in 1866 to Gustav Augustus Fritsch and Christina Fritsch (née Holzer). The Fritsch's were a pioneer family who had arrived in Australia in 1849. Gustav Augustus was a successful brickmaker, a partner of the Upper Hawthorn Brick Company, along with his in-laws, the Holzer brothers, begun in 1883. The factory employed around 50 people and produced 250,000 bricks a week, which were used throughout Victoria. The brickworks site in Hawthorn near Camberwell Junction eventually became a park in 1995, known as Fritsch Holzer Park.

Fritsch began his architectural career by being articled to prolific architect John Beswicke, who lived locally in Hawthorn and designed many houses and shops in the area. At a young age he travelled through Europe and completed his training in the United States, before opening his own office in 1888 in Melbourne.

Remaining in Hawthorn, in his early years he was particularly active in the Camberwell / Hawthorn area, designing several houses in the late 1880s and 1890s, including for instance a pair of boom-style cottages in 1890 for his uncle Anton Holzer at 13-19 Carnavon Street, next to the brickworks. In 1893 he married Alice Mason, from Bendigo.

Architectural career
The commission in 1894 for a presbytery for St Joseph's in Malvern, in the form of a large verandahed Victorian style house, marked the start of his long association with the Catholic Church, designing churches, convents, halls, and schools across Victoria over the next 35 years.

His first major church commission was replacing the church adjacent to his earlier presbytery at St Joseph's in Malvern in 1908, which was designed in a striking broadly Romanesque Revival form, in red brick with round arches, a rose window and a barrel vaulted interior, but also with details drawn from the Baroque like the paired cupolas, and a Flemish stepped gable. The red brick Romanesque Revival was a style adopted by other architects in this period for many Catholic projects, such as the grand St Joseph's in Benalla by Kempson & Connelly, also completed in 1908. Fritsch followed this trend in a more restrained manner than his first church, starting with St Joseph's Rochester in 1910, which set the forms and details he used for his series red brick Romanesque Revival churches over the next 20 years. These included the use of red brick with restrained rendered detailing, a tall gabled front with a central statuary niche and central window, banded voussoirs (first used at St Joseph's), attached piers that rise up as spirelets, and stepped gables. St Brigids, Port Fairy (1914), St Marys Corowa (1921), St Marys Maffra (1924) Our Lady Of Mount Carmel, Middle Park (1928) all follow this form. St Marys, Yarram (1915), St Brendans, Flemington (1925) and St Columbas, Elwood (1929) are also similar, but with the addition of towers – though only St Columba's was completed.

He also designed some churches in a more standard Gothic Revival mode, including St Augustine's, Kyabram (1910), Immaculate Conception, Ararat (1928), as well as the tower of St Alpius' Ballarat, the completion of an 1874 church in 1924. Another Gothic church which he added to while matching the earlier style was the landmark Immaculate Conception in Hawthorn, where he completed the transepts, adding a second, and vestries, complete with a small tower on busy Glenferrie Road, and completed the spire, in 1921.

Our Lady of Victories in Camberwell is his best known and most interesting church; built 1913-18 it is a much more thorough example of the Romanesque Revival, with large round arched widows and simple massing, given added weight by the use of rough-faced sandstone, and is topped by a landmark copper dome.

St Mary's, Bairnsdale is another very well known design, particularly for its landmark tower and painted interior, but only the rear half was built to his design in 1913, with the far taller tower than originally intended added by his son 20 years later.

In 1915 he was named as one of the architects for Newman College at Melbourne University; the actual design is attributed to Walter Burley Griffin, with Fritsch in a supervisory role.

Throughout this period, he also designed many other type of buildings such as chapels, church halls, convents, and school buildings, often new wings or extensions to existing sites, but also completely new ones, such as the Gothic style St Mary's Convent, Beechworth, and the classically styled St Patrick's College, Sale.

Later life
Fritsch's son, who was also A A (Augustus Alfonso) Fritsch (1882–1973), was trained in his father's office, and worked with him throughout his period of church work. He was finally made partner of the firm in 1932, just before his father's death aged 67 in 1933. Augustus Alfonso renamed the firm Fritsch & Fritsch and continued the long association with the Catholic Church, though far less prolific. He is best known for the front and lofty tower added to his father's earlier St Mary's, Bairnsdale in 1936.

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Novopokrovka, Kulundinsky District, Altai Krai

Novopokrovka (Новопокровка) is a rural locality (a selo) in Kursky Selsoviet, Kulundinsky District, Altai Krai, Russia. The population was 99 as of 2013. There is 1 street.

Geography
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Narodny

Narodny (masculine), Narodnaya (feminine), or Narodnoye (neuter) may refer to:
 * Narodny Municipal Okrug, a municipal okrug of Nevsky District of the federal city of St. Petersburg, Russia
 * Moscow Narodny Bank Limited
 * Moscow Narodny Bank (Moscow)
 * Moscow Narodny Bank (London)
 * Mount Narodnaya, the highest peak of the Ural Mountains, Russia
 * Narodnaya, a brand of Russian vodka
 * Narodnoye, a rural locality (a selo) in Ternovsky District of Voronezh Oblast, Russia

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User:C4bl3Fl4m3

I'm C4bl3Fl4m3, or CableFlame, if you want the non-1337 version. Human Sexuality is my main academic interest, and it doesn't seem like Wikiversity has a sexuality section. So I suppose if I want one, I'm going to have to make one myself.

What I'm Doing
I hope to someday be a formal sexual educator, teaching classes on sexuality to anyone who wants to learn more about their bodies, the bodies of others, and how to bring pleasure to themselves and others. It's a life goal for me to liberate as many people sexually as possible. The more we know about ourselves and our pleasure, the better life we can live. I believe in giving people honest answers about all sexual issues. I also believe in teaching young adults accurate sexual education so they can make informed and safe choices about their bodies.

I hope to create articles on wide variety of topics, including but not limited to:
 * BDSM/kink
 * Fetishes
 * Sexual Orientation
 * Gender Identity & Presentation
 * Sex Toys
 * Non-Monogamy

And, of course, the usual information on anatomy, birth control, STDs and safer sex practices.

Because I can't figure out exactly what department to do this under, I think I'm going to do this under the Interdisciplinary Studies portal, because sexuality is an extremely broad subject that combines biology, psychology, medical studies, anthropology, and others.

I'm writing this information here so that I can start building some credibility as a sexual educator so I can get my AASECT certification and/or eventually get a doctorate in the field (hopefully w/o having to take a BS BA or BS degree). I also want to build credibility so that I can get my name out there as a sexual educator so that I can start presenting on the subject at various events and/or have people hire me/get me to speak on sexuality.

Where To Find Me
Well, search the web for C4bl3Fl4m3. If you find it, it's me. I've never seen anyone else go by that name.

You can email me at that name at gmail.

I have a number of Instant Messengers, but I rarely use them anymore. (BTW, don't go IMing "C4bl3Fl4m3", 'cause you'll be IMing my cell phone, and I get rather angry when random people IM my cell.)

If you want to find me in real life, well, I live in Maryland right on the Washington DC/Maryland border in Takoma Park. I work in downtown DC.

If you'd like me to talk to your group on sexuality, please drop me an email.

What I've Already Done In The Field
Well, because I'm just getting started with the going beyond myself with my knowledge, I haven't done much formally. However

 * I've taught many people about sexuality one on one via instant messenger. Not just passing knowledge (although I've done that too), but hours long lectures that I've saved the logs of.

(Note! If you saw that lecture, you'd probably know it was long and disorganized. That was my first time giving a formal lecture on the subject and I prepared it 2 days ahead of time. I'm getting better at it.)
 * I gave a lecture called "Hacking Sexuality" at HOPE # 6 (Hackers On Planet Earth, 2600's convention) in NYC in 2006. I'd estimate that about 100 people attended, with more wanting to attend but we physically couldn't fit any more people in the room.

 * I wrote an article on Bisexuality that was printed in issue 4 of ISO DC, Washington DC's only singles newspaper.

 * I gave an interview on Kinky Sex Radio about fat fetishism, weight gain fetishism, and feederism.

 * I had an e-newsletter called Sex Info Bi-Weekly that I released a few issues of that talked about a wide variety of sexual related issues.

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Freddie Hooghiemstra

Freddie Hooghiemstra (7 August 1931 – 21 October 1990) was a Dutch field hockey player. He competed in the men's tournament at the 1960 Summer Olympics.

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Phyllis Eisenstein

Phyllis Eisenstein (February 26, 1946 – December 7, 2020) was an American author of science fiction and fantasy short stories as well as novels. Her work was nominated for both the Hugo Award and Nebula Award.

Early life
Eisenstein was born Phyllis Leah Kleinstein in 1946 in Chicago, Illinois, and lived there most of her life. While studying psychology at the University of Chicago in 1963, she met her future husband Alex at a weekly gathering of Chicago's science fiction fandom. In 1966, shortly after attending Tricon, the 24th World Science Fiction Convention, they were married. She continued college until Alex entered the U. S. Air Force and, following basic training, was posted to Germany; they lived there for three years and then returned to Chicago upon his honorable discharge from the service.

Career
Eisenstein had her first two science fiction stories published in 1971, the first in collaboration with husband Alex (he continued to be her writing partner for certain short stories). After establishing herself as a professional writer, she returned to college to finish her education, studying at the University of Illinois, where she earned a 1981 B.A. degree in anthropology.

She wrote eight novels, subsequently publishing six of them and nearly fifty shorter works of varying lengths in the genres of science fiction, fantasy, and horror fiction; Eisenstein also wrote a popular non-fiction book on the treatment of arthritis. Her stories have appeared in a number anthologies and in many major science fiction and fantasy print media magazines; these include The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, Analog Science Fiction and Fact, Galaxy Science Fiction, Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine, Amazing Stories, Weird Tales, and others.

Eisenstein's stories were nominated twice for science fiction's Hugo Award and three times for SFWA's Nebula Award.

Her 1978 short story "Lost and Found" was adapted for television in 1986, airing on the mid-1980s series The Twilight Zone (the first of three revivals of the classic series); the screenplay was written by the show's then story editor George R. R. Martin. She was an old friend of Martin and later convinced him to include dragons in his international best-selling fantasy series A Song of Ice and Fire. Martin then dedicated the third novel in the series, A Storm of Swords, to Eisenstein.

Eisenstein spent much of her adult life teaching writing; this began by assisting author Roger Zelazny at the Indiana University Writers Conference in 1977. She taught writing at the Clarion Science Fiction Writer's Workshop at Michigan State University, Oakton Community College of Skokie, Illinois, and the Writer's Digest School. For twenty years she was a member of the part-time faculty of Columbia College Chicago, teaching courses in general science fiction, popular fiction writing, fantasy, and advanced science fiction writing. In 1999, Eisenstein received an "Excellence in Teaching" Award from this institution; she retired from CCC in 2009 to devote more time to her professional writing career.

Beginning in 2000, Eisenstein began working full-time in Chicago's very competitive advertising business; she went on to become the executive manager of copy editors for more than a decade at Leo Burnett, Chicago's largest advertising agency, until declining health forced her retirement in 2015.

The completed novel, The City in Stone, the last volume of her "Book of Elementals" fantasy trilogy, was left unreleased when Meisha Merlin Publishing, a well-established fantasy and science fiction publisher, suddenly ceased operations in 2007; the novel remains unpublished, while the first two novels in the series are currently out-of-print.

Eisenstein completed The Walker Between Worlds, the first novel in a new science-fantasy series called "The Masks of Power". The first eight chapters from the in-progress novel, comprising 38,000 words, was published in 2007 as a limited edition trade paperback from KaCSFFS Press, a Kansas City, Missouri science fiction and fantasy independent publisher; this debuted for her Writer Guest of Honor appearance at Kansas City's longtime regional science fiction and fantasy convention ConQuesT 38. After completing The Walker Between Worlds, she purposely left the novel unpublished while she worked to complete the two remaining volumes in the series before publication. At the time of her death, "The Masks of Power" trilogy remained unfinished.

Death
Eisentein suffered a stroke in January 2020, and entered hospice care shortly thereafter. She died in December of that year in Chicago at age 74 after a protracted neurological illness, complicated by COVID-19 during the COVID-19 pandemic in Illinois. She was survived by her husband, Alex.

Book series

 * Tales of Alaric the Minstrel
 * Born to Exile (1977)
 * In the Red Lord's Reach (1989)
 * The Book of Elementals
 * Sorcerer's Son (1979)
 * The Crystal Palace (1988)
 * The Book of Elementals (omnibus) (2002)
 * The City in Stone (completed but unpublished)
 * The Masks of Power
 * The Walker Between Worlds (completed but unpublished)

Stand-alone novels

 * Shadow of Earth (1979)
 * In the Hands of Glory (1981)

Chapterbooks

 * Walker Between the Worlds, novella (2007)
 * Conspicuous SF (2009)

Collections

 * Night Lives: Nine Stories of the Dark Fantastic (2003), with Alex Eisenstein

Anthologies edited

 * Spec-Lit 1: Speculative Fiction (1997)
 * Spec-Lit 2: Speculative Fiction (1998)

Edited with Alex Eisenstein

 * The Stars My Destination, by Alfred Bester, Special Restored Edition (1996)

Nonfiction

 * Overcoming the Pain of Inflammatory Arthritis, with Samuel M. Scheiner, Ph.D. (1997)

Works featuring Eisenstein's stories

 * New Dimensions 1 (1971)
 * The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction (1973)
 * Long Night of Waiting (1974)
 * Best SF Stories of the Year (1976)
 * Best Science Fiction Stories of the Year #5 (1977)
 * New Dimensions 7 (1977)
 * The Year's Best Fantasy Stories 4 (1978)
 * Asimov's Choice (1979)
 * Best Science Fiction Stories of the Year, 1978 (1979)
 * Best Science Fiction Stories of the Year #8 (1980)
 * Whispers III (1981)
 * Shadows 5 (1982)
 * 13 Short Science Fiction Novels (1986)
 * What Did Miss Darrington See (1989)
 * Microcosmic Tales (1990)
 * New Stories from the Twilight Zone (1990)
 * New Eves: Science Fiction About the Extraordinary Women of Today and Tomorrow (1994)
 * 100 Hair-Raising Little Horror Stories (1994)
 * The Oxford Book of Fantasy (1994)
 * Sisters In Fantasy (1995)
 * Horrors! 365 Scary Stories (1998)
 * Songs of the Dying Earth (2009)
 * Gateways (2010)
 * Old Mars (2013)
 * Rogues (2014)

Published short stories

 * "Born to Exile" (1971)
 * "The Trouble with the Past" (1971), with Alex Eisenstein
 * "Inn of the Black Swan" (1972)
 * "Attachment" (1974), Nebula Award (nominee)
 * "Teleprobe" (1974)
 * "The Weather on Mars" (1974), with Alex Eisenstein
 * "The Witch and the Well" (1974)
 * "The Lords of All Power'' (1975)
 * "The Tree of Life" (1975)
 * "Sleeping Beauty: The True Story" (1976), with Alex Eisenstein
 * "Alter Ego" (1977), with Alex Eisenstein
 * "You Are Here" (1977), with Alex Eisenstein
 * "The Land of Sorrow" (1977)
 * "In Answer To Your Call" (1978)
 * "Lost and Found" (1978)
 * "The Man With the Eye" (1978)
 * "The Mountain Fastness" (1979)
 * "The Fireman's Daughter" (1981)
 * "In the Western Tradition" (1981), Nebula Award (nominee), Hugo Award (nominee)
 * "Point of Departure" (1981)
 * "Taboo" (1981)
 * "Dark Wings" (1982)
 * "Nightlife" (1982), Hugo Award (nominee)
 * "Subworld" (1983)
 * "The Amethyst Phial" (1984)
 * "The Demon Queen" (1984)
 * "Fair Exchange" (1985)
 * "Sense of Duty" (1985)
 * The Snail Out of Space" (1985)
 * "Weaseling Out" (1987)
 * "No Refunds" (1994)
 * "Boxes" (1998)
 * "The Cat" (1998)
 * "Dust in the Attic" (1998)
 * "The Island in the Lake" (1998), Nebula Award (nominee)
 * "The Park" (1998)
 * "The Robe" (1998)
 * "Wild Animals" (1998)
 * "Wallpaper World" (2001), with Alex Eisenstein
 * "Boltzmann Schiaparelli and the Lizard King" (2009)
 * "The Last Golden Thread" (2009)
 * "Von Neumann's Bug" (2010), with Alex Eisenstein
 * "The Sunstone" (2013)
 * "The Caravan to Nowhere" (2014)
 * "The Desert of Vanished Dreams" (2016)
 * "The City of Lost Desire" (2019)

Awards and nominations

 * Nebula: Best Short Story, (nominee, 1976) for "Attachment"
 * Balrog Award: Novel, (winner, 1979) for Born To Exile
 * Science Fiction Chronicle: Best Novella, (winner, 1981) for "In the Western Tradition"
 * Hugo: Best Novella, (nominee, 1982) for "In the Western Tradition"
 * Nebula: Best Novella, (nominee, 1982) for "In the Western Tradition"
 * Hugo: Best Novelette, (nominee, 1983) for "Nightlife"
 * Nebula: Best Novelette, (nominee, 2000) for "The Island in the Lake"

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Talk:David Hartman (TV personality)

Employment I.
This article fails to tell whatsoever Mr. Hartman did when he left "Good Morning America', and there seems to be more than a decade of missing Hartman history at that point. He seems to have vanished from the face of the Earth. In fact, when I decided to look him up, I was trying to figure out if he was still alive or not. He's alive, but he has doubtless exceeded retirement age by now. DAW <IP_ADDRESS> 01:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Employment II.
People, especially in this business, get considered for employment opportunities all the time. Most of these "considerations" never transpire into something concrete, and so, they are not important events, or noteworthy at all. They're just garbage. Wikipedia articles should be about real happenings, and not just idle "considerations". I have "taken out the trash" and elimated the whole discussion of the David Brinkley position. DAW <IP_ADDRESS> 01:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Lifetime
Does Mr. Hartman ever do anything that is not connected with his USAF service, show business, TV reporting, etc.? Was he a good son to his parents, and a good brother? Has he ever been married? Does he have any children? Even if he is a life-long bachelor (see Wilt Chamberlain), that is a noteworthy fact and should be stated. DAW <IP_ADDRESS> 01:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Requested moves

The result of the move request was: page not moved per discussion below. - GTBacchus(talk) 04:00, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

David Hartman (TV personality) → David Hartman – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:59, 7 October 2011 (UTC) Primary topic. Page views: 41,610, 4,820, 1,240. Marcus  Qwertyus   21:47, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support All three are from the U.S., but only David Hartman is or has ever been known on a national level. Clearly the primary topic.    --Born2cycle (talk) 19:58, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is a very common name, and the above support rationale doesn't seem to suffice in justifying the primacy this one should have over all the rest. -- Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 01:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It may be a common name but there are only two other people here with this name. International recognition is a very commonly accepted justification for primacy so I don't know what you mean. Marcus   Qwertyus   02:19, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem that way when looking at a Google News search. When looking at a simple Gsearch, Wikipedia comes out on top, the others are a ragbag. However we look at it, the rabbi seems more prominent. -- Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 07:30, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Oppose—yet another attempt to make WP an American-only site. Who TF is David Hartman? Tony   (talk)  02:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

 * As has already been explained, all three are from the United States. That is very presumptive of you to assume I'm part of some conspiracy. Marcus   Qwertyus   02:19, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Comment The broader issue of whether topics with common names like this are "really" the primary topic is being discussed here: --Born2cycle (talk) 22:00, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support The most notable of the three here, by a substantial margin. The first oppose suggests that David Hartman is a very common name, and we will find others; if we do, we can put the articles back where they are. I doubt it; David is very common, but Hartman (so spelled) is not. The second oppose seems based on the idea that some English David Hartman is being dissed; who? We could use an article on him, and don't have one. JCScaliger (talk) 02:57, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. None of the David Hartmans are really very notable. David Hartman (the TV personality) was B-list TV presenter 25 years ago; I'm not that sure that a lot more people are looking for him than for the rabbi, to the extent than many people are looking for any David Hartman at all. The rabbi fellow seems to be a lot more important and worthwhile than the TV talking head. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC says "A topic is primary for a term, with respect to importance, if it is has significantly greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term". We're an encyclopedia, not TV Guide or Hollywood Insider. For this reason the primary topic for Twilight is the scientific atmospheric phenomena and not the teen-oriented movie series, notwithstanding that a lot of people are looking for info on Edward and Bella. Given this, if there must be an article named just "David Hartman", it should probably be the rabbi. But keeping it as a disambig is probably best. Herostratus (talk) 02:37, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose – "most notable" is not good enough to conclude primary topic. None are primary here.  Dicklyon (talk) 02:43, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

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Portal:Science/Learn/Quotes

"...I believe that at the end of the century the use of words and general educated opinion will have altered so much that one will be able to speak of machines thinking without expecting to be contradicted." Alan Turing

"the equation E = mc², in which energy is put equal to mass, multiplied by the square of the velocity of light, showed that very small amounts of mass may be converted into a very large amount of energy and vice versa." Albert Einstein

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Weibo Gaming

Weibo Gaming is a Chinese esports organization owned by the Weibo Corporation.

Its League of Legends team competes in the LPL, the top-level league for the game in China. It was owned by e-commerce company Suning.com for most of its history and was previously known as Suning.

Weibo are also members of the Esports World Cup Foundation Club Support Program, funded by Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund, which gives teams monetary rewards for painting the Esports World Cup tournament series in a positive light and driving engagement to the tournament, which is seen to some as a sportswashing tool that Saudi Arabia is using to distract the public from their poor human rights record.

History
The League of Legends team was founded as Suning Gaming on 28 December 2016, following Suning.com's acquisition of the League of Legends team T.Bear Gaming. A roster was formed to compete in the LSPL, China's secondary pro league; it consisted of XiaoAL (now Langx), Avoidless, dian, Fury, and Yoon. Suning placed second in the 2017 LSPL spring regular season and later swept Young Miracles in the spring finals to qualify for the LPL.

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List of Swiss women writers

This is a list of women writers who were born in Switzerland or whose writings are closely associated with that country.

B

 * Elisabeth Baumgartner (1889–1957), Swiss author of play is Bernese German dialect
 * Béatrix Beck (1914–2008), Swiss-born Belgian writing in French, novelist
 * Maja Beutler (1936–2021), German-language novelist, short story writer, playwright
 * S. Corinna Bille (1912–1979), short story writer, poet, novelist, children's writer
 * Teresina Bontempi (1883–1968), Italian-language Swiss journalist, editor
 * Irena Brežná (born 1950), Slovak-Swiss writer, journalist, activist
 * Erika Burkart (1922–2010), German language poet, short story writer, novelist
 * Martha Burkhardt (1874–1958), Swiss-born travel writer

C

 * Dominique Caillat (born 1956), playwright, non-fiction writer, works in German, French and English
 * Corinne Chaponnière (born 1954), Swiss-Canadian writer
 * Anne Cuneo (1936–2015), French-language novelist, journalist, screenwriter
 * Suzanne Curchod (1737–1794), French-language non-fiction writer, salonist

D

 * Laurence Deonna (born 1937), journalist, writer and photographer specializing in the Middle-East

E

 * Isabelle Eberhardt (1877–1904), French-language journalist, travel writer
 * Marianne Ehrmann (1755–1795), early German-language novelist, journalist
 * Ruth Erat (born 1951), German-language narrative works

F

 * Marie-Louise von Franz (1915–1998), German-language psychologist, writings on symbolism

G

 * Valérie de Gasparin (1813–1894), French-language non-fiction writer
 * Marthe Gosteli (1917–2017), Swiss women's history archivist and suffrage writer
 * Emilie Gourd (1879–1946), French-language journalist, feminist
 * Anne-Lise Grobéty (1949–2010), French-language novelist, poet, young adults writer

H

 * Anita Hansemann (1962–2019), Late start writer, books and libretto play
 * Eveline Hasler (born 1933), German-language novelist, children's writer, essayist, playwright
 * Jeanne Hersch (1910–2000), French-language writings on philosophy, human rights

I

 * Mirjam Indermaur (born 1967), German-language non-fiction writer
 * Henriette Ith (1885-1978), French-language writer and political activist

J

 * Fleur Jaeggy (born 1940), Italian-language novelist
 * Zoë Jenny (born 1974), German-language novelist, widely translated
 * Hanna Johansen (born 1939), novelist, children's writer, translator

K

 * Isabelle Kaiser (1866–1925), poet, novelist, writing in both French and German
 * Agota Kristof (1935–2011), French-language novelist, poet, playwright
 * Christina Krüsi (born 1968), author of the autobiographical Paradise Was My Hell describing child abuse

L

 * Monique Laederach (1938–2004), poet, novelist, translator

M

 * Ella Maillart (1903–1997), French-language travel writer
 * Janine Massard (born 1939), French-language novelist
 * Jane Marcet (1769–1858), English-language writings on science
 * Mariella Mehr (born 1947), German-language novelist
 * Isabelle de Montolieu (1751–1832), French-language novelist, translator
 * Hortensia von Moos (1659–1715), German-language writings on the status of women

N

 * Marguerite Naville (1852–1930), painter, photographer and diarist

P

 * Erica Pedretti (1930–2022), German-language non-fiction writer, essayist, playwright
 * Amélie Plume (born 1943), novelist, playwright

R

 * Grisélidis Réal (1929–2005), sex worker, writer
 * Alice Rivaz (1901–1998), French-language novelist, essayist, feminist
 * Noëlle Roger (1874–1953), French-language novelist
 * Annelise Rüegg (1879–1934), biographer, pacifist, communist

S

 * Isabelle Sbrissa (born 1971), poet, playwright
 * Anka Schmid (born 1961), screen writer, film director, video artist
 * Annemarie Schwarzenbach (1908–1942), German-language novelist, journalist, travel writer
 * Monique Schwitter (born 1972), short story writer, playwright, actress
 * Johanna Spyri (1827–1901), German-language children's writer, author of Heidi
 * Laurence Suhner (born 1968), French-language comic and short-story writer since 1984

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 * Regina Ullmann (1884–1961), German-language poet

V

 * Aline Valangin (1889–1986), novelist, short story writer
 * Aglaja Veteranyi (1962–2002), German-language novelist
 * Camille Vidart (1854–1930), women's rights activist, translated Heidi into French

W

 * Silja Walter (1919–2011), nun, German-language poet, religious writer

Z

 * Bertha Zuricher (1869-1949), author, painter and engraver

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 * 1) disappearing, vanishing
 * 2) going missing or lost
 * 1) going missing or lost

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Category:CAC Next 20

The CAC Next 20 is an index of security prices used with the Euronext Paris. It gathers the 20 companies whose market capitalizations are ranked after those of the 40 companies who compose the CAC 40.

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Wikipedia:Account suspensions/User:Jamaissur

User:Stephan KŒNIG
This user seems to believe that Wikipedia talk pages are his own personal blog and that Wikipedia is also a site to store personal images. For the past several months this user has continually posted blog-like, irrelevant and often incomprehensible messages to Talk:Bill Haley and other pages, and apparently has also exhibited his behavior on the French Wikipedia. He has been warned numerous times by myself and other admins to post constructive material, but appears to not understand. He is also a chronic uploader of images (mostly relating to Bill Haley) which he seems uninclined to add to articles (and I've lost count of how many times a bot has notified him an image is lacking a licence tag). Most recently (within the past 2 weeks) this user has begun using rotating, anonymous IP addresses (such as User:<IP_ADDRESS> to post his ramblings - which he signs, by the way so identification is easy - and now seems to prefer doing this rather than using his User Name. Suffice it to say he has tried a lot of patience.

Examination of his discussion page will require going into deleted files as he deleted all warnings, etc. on his talk page around the time he decided to go anonymous.

I have placed a 24-hour block on his latest IP address (<IP_ADDRESS>) though I expect that not to do much good. I have also blocked his user name for 1 week. I have informed him that I will treat him as a vandal if his behavior continues. Technically he hasn't performed explicit vandalism, but I would say he is in violation of WP:DISRUPT. 23skidoo 02:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Followup. Upon the expiry of his one-week block, this user proceeded to vandalise the Bill Haley article -- the first time he has been seen doing this (explicitly, he blanked parts of the article and inserted a "F*ck ya" message. I have suspended his account for one month and will be observing closely to see if he starts sock-puppeting using anonymous IP addresses. If he does, I will upgrade his account suspension to indefinite. 23skidoo 20:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Attribution noncommercial Share Alike/Partage à l'Identique 2.0 Belgium. Stephan KŒNIG...
 * Finally you added one of my two photos taken in Liege in May 1974. In Belgium the image is under license to Creative Commons

User:Jamaissur
Twenty four hour block for disruption. User was warned several times to refrain from personal attacks, and incivil and sarcastic edit summaries. El_C 11:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Thirty one hour block for continuing to employ incivil edit summaries. User was again advised to aim toward dispassionate edit summaries. El_C 12:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Forty eight hour block for continuing with (whether proclaimed as "heartfelt" & otherwise) sarcastic, mocking innunedo (was warned of this). El_C 10:31, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for 4 days for what appears increasingly to be an harrasment campaign against Jews. User will have one more chance to demonstrate his/her aims here are not designed to achieve antisemitic propagandist ends. Otherwise, an indefinite block appears imminent. El_C 03:39, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for 8 days since disruptive edits (per above focus ) continue. Since there was a lengthy pause in editing, refraining from indefinite block at ths time, but as mentioned, it does appear imminent, as the user's misconduct largely follows the pattern, albeit slightly more understated. El_C 23:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


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How To Search/Directory of Open Access Journals

Directory of Open Access Journals (DOAJ) - Journal Search
 * Purpose: "Increase the visibility and ease of use of open access scientific and scholarly journals thereby promoting their increased usage and impact."
 * Audience: Researchers.
 * Scope: "The Directory aims to be comprehensive and cover all open access scientific and scholarly journals that use a quality control system to guarantee the content."
 * Refresh Rate:
 * Further Information: While DOAJ started as a journal directory, it has expanded to catalog at the article level also. This page is for the journal level searching although, they seem to use the same operators at the moment. There are no written instructions for searching so the below information was found by trial and error.

Other Features
The DOAJ searches, both journal and article level, seem to have primitive searching mechanisms at the moment. Using this site as a directory for finding open access journals seems to be its forte at this time. 07/29/04