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the fact that I have an old Falun Gong pamphlet that I got while taking a walk in a park with my wife in early '99, and I wish to scan it for the world to see, but can't because I dont' have a scanner (Li Hongzhi's obviously photoshopped image in the pamphlet portraying lotus and glorious rays, I must say, makes Mao's Cultural Revolution posters look professional, and makes the CPC's current propaganda department breathe a sigh of relief at their own inability to promote "Socialism with Chinese Characterstics"), maybe the contents too, because they have nothing to do with any ulterior objective or desires, and all truthful! And of course, because very few people here know of certain FLG practices before the ban, and experienced it first hand, what I'm saying must all be fabricated. Some local CPC hive decided to print random Falun Gong pamphlets to make Li Hongzhi look ridiculous so we can make fun of him, and bring him up as proof later that Falun Gong is actually a very doubtful organization. Of course! All a fabrication! Or it was a misunderstanding. Because maybe half a lifetime of mine spent in China suffering CCP's political movements and having close family that have been traumatized by them, maybe then I've somehow decided to become an unknowing minion of the CCP, and love them so much that my perception of Falun Gong is automatically skewed as evil and cult-like.

Wake up.

Colipon+(T) 20:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Well Colipon, regardless of your reasons, you are clearly on one side of the fence. Thus, there is no way that you will be our mediator. -Mcconn 13:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Is Truthfullness an absolute or relative value for the Dafa?
Daniel: Thanks for explaining why Falun Gong practitioners are reluctant to speak truthfully about the beliefs and goals of the Falun Gong to non-practitioners.

I appreciate that you shared your insights with us, but wonder if you have considered the implications of what you are saying. You suggest that certain truths of the Falun Gong should remain hidden within the confines of the Falun Gong community…rather like the policy of some churches of not allowing cameras inside. You acknowledge something I have been saying all along: that “practitioners do not like to talk about Fa-rectification and the more difficult things to understand about practitioner’s lives and the Falun Gong teachings.”    And you go on to offer a psychological explanation for this reticence:  that because practitioners consider their cultivation practices to be “very sacred” they avoid telling the complete truth about their beliefs because “we don’t like having all kinds of non-Falun Gong practitioners and commentaries mixed into the middle of our cultivation.”

Here’s the problem in what your are saying: if speaking the truth of the Dafa is contingent upon the reaction of other people, then Dafa itself cannot be based on an absolute principle of the universe called “truthfulness. Instead, Dafa is based on a relative principle of truthfulness: that we should speak the truth to non-practitioners only when we think what we say will not elicit a negative reaction or undermine one of our strategic goals (like eliminating the CCP).

Admittedly, this kind of philosophical distinction may not concern you. Does it really matter whether “truthfulness” is an absolute or a relative value? Even though Li seems to teach that truthfulness is an absolute principle of the universe, he could always issue a declaration on “The limits of truthfulness” just as he once did on “The limits of forbearance.”   There is no end to the Master’s adaptability.

But I want you to consider another ramification for what you are saying: if practitioners continue to conceal their higher truths to non-practitioners (for example, what you are willing to report in Wikipedia) then how can we believe what you say about the persecution or other important matters? So long as you maintain the right to withhold the complete truth of your beliefs and practices in Wikipedia, do you really think the rest of the non-practitioner world can take you seriously?

Most people do not like being lied to, so my advice to you and every other practitioner who edits here is to reconsider your position. Already, some practitioner editors have posted truthful statements, but those truthful statements are quickly shot down by other editors who wish to maintain a false image of the Falun Gong to the general public. For the purposes of Wikipedia editing only, I am therefore proposing that we agree to: Let’s take a poll on this proposal now:  All editors who agree that these two aspects of Falun Gong are true,  and notable enough to be reported in this article,  please indicate with your agreement below:
 * Acknowledging that a goal of the Falun Gong is the destruction of the CCP (through such means as spreading the Nine Commentaries, as promoted by Master Li) and
 * Acknowledging that Master Li is more than just a teacher or master, he also has a divine status and is considered by his disciples to be a main Buddha.

 * I agree. --Tomananda 22:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with those two acknowledgements.

Danielprice 18:11, 29 August 2006 (CT)
 * I agree. I also have some comments on what you wrote, I will put them below this poll. --Asdfg12345 23:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

You will see I have struck out my affirmation of your points, and I apologise for chopping and changing. You cannot define this Fa. I made the affirmation in haste in order not to appear wishy-washy about all this. Everything that Master has taught is Fa. What you have written is not Fa. What you have written is not exactly correct, anyway. The article will be written and it will include everything, but there is no need for this poll. As long as it is in the Fa, and with context, it is no problem for it to be discussed and included. I will be much more careful with everything I type into wikipedia in future, as I regret this. Read what I wrote below and you have my sincere apologies. --Asdfg12345 00:38, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

You have turned the things Daniel said into something they are not. I will address the problems I see with what you have written, and so much for wanting to keep the discussion page strictly for discussion on the actual article.

you wrote: "if speaking the truth of the Dafa is contingent upon the reaction of other people, then Dafa itself cannot be based on an absolute principle of the universe called “truthfulness.  Instead, Dafa is based on a relative principle of truthfulness: that we should speak the truth to non-practitioners only when we think what we say will not elicit a negative reaction or undermine one of our strategic goals (like eliminating the CCP)."

We speak the truth about Dafa to everyday people. We say Falun Dafa is cultivation practice, based on the principles of Truthfulness, Compassion and Tolerance. One refines their thoughts and conduct based on those principles, becoming better and better. We try to give up all ill thoughts and attachments, with the goal to assimilate to the characteristic of the universe and return to our true selves. Those kinds of things. All of that is something along the lines of what Dafa teaches. That is just what I wrote then, my own understanding. You must know by now the volume of scriptures there are in the Dafa teachings. If we meet someone for a brief moment, are we supposed to sum all that up in two or three minutes? Talking about higher dimensions, the Fa-rectification, Consummation, and Buddhas? Most people do not take such an intense interest in this as you have. If I had a while to talk to someone, and they expressed a lot of interest in the basic things I had explained to them, I would talk further. However it goes, cultivation takes time and effort, so people will never understand this in one go.

Basically, we have said that it is fine for all this to go on wikipedia and that we have nothing to conceal or be afraid of. It really would not make sense to talk about these things to the people we meet on the street, or include it in pamphlets we give out to people. One of the main points of interaction we have with the public is raising awareness of the brutal atrocities committed by the CCP towards Falun Gong. It is enough to get someone to accept a flier, we might be lucky if they read it, and it is a very rare person who can spare a couple of minutes to chat with us. That is the typical situation while doing truth-clarification work in public. Basically, we are reading some books and meditating, trying to get rid of all our bad thoughts and behaviours, and assimilate ourselves to Truthfulness, Compassion, Tolerance. We are also spreading jiuping and other material and sending righteous thoughts. There is nothing wrong with any of that. That is how Falun Dafa manifests in this dimension. You have downloaded some pdfs off the net and now you consider yourself an expert.

There is no way these things can ever be understood in a simple way. All this requires a base of personal cultivation, and that is something very difficult. You do not understand what Dafa is. This is an extremely upright thing. There is no question of concealing anything. People can go download that stuff, as you have found. If someone approached me and said he's been reading all this stuff and wants to know what I think, I'd spell it out for him then and there. He could then make up his own mind as to whether he believed it or not. It is not a problem for people to find out about this, what we are doing and what we believe. But to make sure that it is not misunderstood, that it is explained cleary and in its entirety, undistorted, and that the key points are made - that is something more difficult. There is no sense in doing that on a large scale and as a rule. Our goal is to save sentient beings before the Fa rectifies the human world, and talking about this could confuse some people and even lead them to develop ill thoughts about Dafa. --Asdfg12345 23:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

One more thing I want to say about the destruction of the CCP thing. That is more like an inevitable consequence rather than a specific goal. For example, if the CCP turned around and stopped persecuting Falun Gong tommorow then obviously we would not continue doing all this stuff. We have only ever called for an end to the persecution, and in doing so we have distributed jiuping, talking about the history of the CCP and contextualising the persecution of Falun Gong in terms of the evil nature of the CCP. The CCP is not going to turn around and stop persecuting Falun Gong tomorrow. It has gone too far for them, they would have to answer to very many people, and they would have to admit that they have been doing evil, many things - so that is very unlikely. The CCP's fall is no more than a result of their persecution of Falun Gong. In that sense, I do not strictly agree that the goal is to destroy the CCP. That will happen, though, but if they stopped then we would stop. It has always been that way, this is an important thing to mention, and it needs to be mentioned. As for the other point that I acknowledged, that should also be explained in a different way. As far as I know you only get that word Main Buddha from that painting, as Master Li has not referred to himself that way. I know you want to draw a distinction between Master Li and a normal Master or saviour, and that is fine too. Sorry to add this disclaimer type of message. Basically those two points are not far off the mark, but there is more to it. --Asdfg12345 23:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Asdfg: Sorry, but you do not speak the truth about Dafa to ordinary people, instead you speak the broad platitudes of Dafa...we believe in Truthfullness, Benevolence and Forebearance...without really divulging the most important points for Fa-rectification Dafa disciples. When was the last time you said to any "ordinary person"  that your job is to help eliminate the CCP and help save all sentient beings or that you expect to reach consumation because of your role as a Fa-rectification Dafa disciple?  When was the last time you ackowledged to an ordinary person Li Hongzhi's divine status and that he and his Dafa are offering the only hope for salvation mankind has?  In fact, when was the last time you even used words like "Fa-rectification"  or "salvation"  to an ordinary person?

 * Clearly you don't do these things and my explanation is different from Daniels. My explanation is that as cult members, Falun Gong practitioners have lost their ability to think independently from Master Li's words.  This explains why no practitioner has written any edits on Fa-rectification and Li's role in providing salvation to mankind, or the role of Fa-rectification disciples in helping Li to save all sentient beings.  We have spent months dancing around these issues, and with the exception of Daniel's recent revelations (thank you Daniel), we have made no progress.

 * For those who think that the CCP fabricated the term "cult" to describe the Falun Gong, please consider these observations from cult counselor Steve Hassan:

 * In essence, a destructive cult is an authoritarian group that is headed by a person or group of people that has near-complete control. Charismatic cult leaders often make extreme claims of divine or "otherwordly" power to exercise influence over their members.  Many legitimate religions have had powerful figures who have inspired enormous dedication in people.  Being a powerful leader is not inherently wrong, though it carries a high potential for abuse.  A group becomes destructive when its leader actively uses such power to deceive members and to rob them of their individuality and free will.

 * Many cults have their own "loaded language" or coded symbols and expressions, including buzz words, cliches, and trite platitudes that are used to shut down the thought process.

 * Cult members are taught that the leader is always correct, and are not allowed to doubt or question him or her.

 * Cult ideologies allow for many levels of "truth" including "outsider" and "insider" doctrines. the more moderate outsider material, which contains diluted versions of the group's beliefs, is given to the general public and new converts.  Recruits who ask questions are often told that they are not yet mature enough to know the whole truth.

 * Don't these descriptions sound an awful lot like the Falun Gong? And since I am an outsider, of course you guys don't want to reveal the "heavenly secrets"  or teachings "at a higher level" to me and the rest of the world.  Instead, you want me accept your program of demonizing and destroying the CCP without any critical judgment, accept that the Dafa really is "good" and otherwise keep my mouth shut.  Sometimes you guys even threaten law suits or jail time to your critics.

 * Frankly, I am tired of this charade. Would some other rational person who is not indoctrinated into the cult of Li Hongzhi please step forward and post something?  --Tomananda 00:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I said that there is no problem with an exposition of the teachings, and other practitioners have also affirmed that we will write something. Your own theories of Falun Gong being a cult do not have any credence here. The page is locked now and we are waiting for a mediator. I have lost enthusiasm in this at the moment. When the time to move forward comes then, if I can help, I will help and try to come up with something. You have seen that we are speaking in a straightfoward way to you and explaining things based on our own understanding, about why we don't talk about these things very commonly. This post indicates that you are not interested in hearing that, and more regrettably, that you have even started sympathising with the CCP on this issue. That is the worst part. Olaf told you before that all we are asking people to realise is the horror of the persecution and to be against the persecution, and then you can be saved. If, when faced with something this straightfoward, innocent people being tortured in all kinds of incredibly evil ways (http://www.faluninfo.net/torturemethods2/ - please refresh your memory), living people having their organs taken for profit and then their bodies incinerated... if you cannot be against this, then you tell me what kind of person you are. --Asdfg12345 01:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Total misrepresentation of my position! I do not condone the persecution of practitioners in China or elsewhere. But by painting me as a pro-persecution kind of guy, you are changing the subject which is getting the Falun Gong to be honest about it's teachings and goals. As I've said repeatedly, I do not trust the Falun Gong to speak the truth to me.  As Li himself says:
 * "It is not allowed to casually disclose so many heavenly secrets to ordinary people." Zhuan Falun, 2nd edition, p. 91.
 * I will say it one more time: Two wrongs do not make a right.  It is wrong for anyone to persecute Falun Gong practitioners.  It is also wrong for the Falun Gong to lie about it's teachings and goals in order to manipulate the gullible press and Western politicians.  The moment you start being honest with me...and all of Wikipedia readers....will be the moment I will take another look at all those persecution claims.   --Tomananda 01:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Tomananda, I admire your patience and persistence. Last time I checked, however, people trapped by cult-inflicted emotions and beliefs don't just agree with you every time you tell them something rational. I could guarantee you that at this moment, that even after mediation, this article will present a very noticeable pro-FLG bias (plz also take the time to read the recently modified FLG section on the History of the People's Republic of China article that completely deamonized the CCP), simply because the majority of Wikipedians in participation are only familiar with the western side of the story, and secondly because it is largely not rationale that is employed in the writing of the article, but rather emotion. Colipon+(T) 02:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Tomanda, you're totally taking that quote out of context and Olaf already explained why a few weeks ago. We don't lie. I know that you know that the beliefs that you are referring to exist and that Falun Dafa encompases more than what most people know, and thus want people to understand or know about these other aspects, so that they don't have the "wrong" understanding of Falun Gong. I understand your perspective, so please try to understand ours. I don't doubt that many of the people we have come into contact with (polititians included) who have made efforts to understand us have come to understand that we have these beliefs. But as Asdfg12345 already said, most of the people we talk with do not have such interests and in the two minutes we talk to them for we only have time to talk about the fundamentals of Falun Dafa cultivation. Our biggest concern is having people understand the persecution, so naturally this is where our focus is. Truth, Compassion, and Forbearance are the fundamental principles of Falun Dafa, and cultiviting your heart according to these prinicples is what's most emphasised and most important in the practice (even in recent lecures, Mr. Li still makes this clear). At the same time, it's not difficult to have people understand these, so naturally when we talk to people about Dafa this is what we emphasise. Yes, there are other very important beliefs in Falun Dafa, mostly comming about in recent years, but despite their great importance they are still not as fundamental as the above points in understanding Falun Dafa, and are comparably much harder to understand. If I thought that by talking about the Fa-Rectification to people they could understand it correctly, then I certainly would (and with some people I have), but it's not likely that they will. So, usually I don't. And like I said, our focus is the persecution, so it's counterproductive to get into the lengthy discussion that that would entail, and being such a shocking or "strange" thing, it would naturally shift that focus. If you try to understand what I'm saying, I think you will see that this isn't about conceiling truth or creating some big façad, like you say; instead, it's about not creating misunderstandings, focusing on the task at hand, and thus sticking to the basics. This has been said a number of times, but you don't accept it and insist on twisting it.

No practitioner here has written about these things on wikipedia because: There may be more reasons that I'm not listing. Actually, I've been working on and off on a section about the Fa-Rectification and most of these things. It's not done yet though. Mcconn 15:44, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) it's not easy to explain them. In fact, it's quite an undertaking.
 * 2) we have been focusing on the intro, in which we don't believe such things should be included.
 * 3) There are simpler and more basic things that still need to be worked on.
 * 4) You've kept us pretty busy cleaning up all your other edits.

 * More weasel words from a devout Falun Gong practitioner who still refuses to accept that the concept of Fa-rectification and the idea that the Dafa offers the only chance for salvation for people during this period of the last havoc or final kulpa should appear in the introduction to this article! We are living in the end of times and Li is offering salvation to all sentient beings. Li's disciples are helping to save people and to the extent they live up to their duty to "clarify the truth"  and work towards eliminating the CCP these same disciples are promised the status of gods by Master Li.  You are all on a mission to save all of us non-belivers, yet you cannot even speak honestly about what your true role is, other than to expose the CCP for it's alleged persecution of practitioners in China.  You do lie about the Falun Gong, and yet I truly believe you don't recognize what you are doing because Li has so successfully brainwashed you.  So in a moral sense, you are not lying...only Li is, and he is therefore responsible.

 * As I said before, I am tired of repeating myself. You will never agree to an honest exposition of Li's teachings because Li himself forbids that level of honesty with "ordinary people."  You have your internal doctrine which you feel you can't share with the outside world and your external doctrine which is nothing more than a cleverly packaged PR image to gain sympathy and support for your group in its battle to undermine and ultimately destroy the Chinese Communist Party.  I believe  these last 6 months worth of discussion will reveal to any reasonable readers the truth of what I am saying.

 * Here in America there seems to be a growing awareness of the destructive nature of cults and how they distort people's rationality. Just yesterday a cult leader named Warren Jeffs, who like Li taught end-of-the world prophesies, was found and arrested for alleged crimes, including having sex with minors.  My hope is that some day the American media will look behind Falun Gong's carefully constructed public image and begin to report on the dark side of Falun Gong: the way Li manipulates his followers and deceives the public.

 * For now, I am going to take a break from these endless postings because I don't think they are leading to any progress in this article. I will, however, respond to any specific editing issues that arise.  --Tomananda 18:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Teehee... with normal cults (if you can call cults normal), the adherents would be busy pushing the full gamut of their ideological/religious stances on Wikipedia. With Falun Gong however... -- Миборо в ский 18:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Thats a great attempt to mediate...--Andres18 05:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Definition of cults in Chinese and English
Миборо в ский A group having weird beliefs is not a cult. A cult always conceals its core teachings for the purpose of recruitment which is the first step of brianwashing.

The International cultic Studies Association provides the following definition of cults: A group or movement exhibiting great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea, or thing, and employing unethical manipulative or coercive techniques of persuasion and control (e.g., isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgment, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of leaving it), designed to advance the goals of the group’s leaders, to the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, or the community.

邪教的定义 一个组织或社会运动对一个人, 一种思想, 或一样物件表现出过分的, 极端的忠诚和奉献精神, 并使用不道德的思想控制技巧去说服和操纵组织成员 (例, 把信徒从亲人和朋友中隔离开来, 使信徒极端疲劳以至无法认真思考, 使用特别的方法令到信徒对教主越来越顺从, 强大的组织压力, 对信息的控制, 破坏个人的自主性和判断力, 使信徒对组织产生依赖性和害怕离开). 组织的努力方向以教主的日标为主, 为了达到该目标, 不惜使用可能或实际上对信徒或他们的家庭以至社会有害的方式.

Three characteristics, which may be present to a greater of lesser degree, help to distinguish cults from other communities or groups. 1. Members are expected to be excessively zealous and unquestioning in their commitment to the identity and leadership of the group. They must replace their own beliefs and values with those of the group. 2. Members are manipulated and exploited, and may give up their education, careers, and families to work excessively long hours at group-directed task such as selling a quota of candy or books, fund-raising, recruiting, and proselytizing. 3. Harm or the threat of harm may come to members, their families, and/or society due to inadequate medical care, poor nutrition, psychological and physical abuse, sleep deprivation, criminal activities, and so forth.

三个特点可以把邪教从普通组织中分辩出来, 这三个特点的存在可能会有多有少. 1. 信徒们变得过份地热心, 毫不怀疑地献身于该组织的事务和对教主的忠诚. 他们被要求用组织的信仰和价值观去代替他们原来的信仰和价值观. 2. 信徒们被控制与利用, 他们可能会放弃其学业, 职业和家庭去长时间地从事组织指定的工作, 如卖组织的书或糖果, ?款, 招收新会员和传教. 3. 信徒们本人, 他们的家庭或/和社会可能会受到伤害. 这些伤害来自于不足够的医疗服务, 缺少营养, 心理或生理上的伤害, 不足够的睡眠, 犯罪行为以及其它.

Deception lies at the core of mind-manipulating cultic groups and programs. Many members and supporters of cults are not fully aware of the extent to which they have been abused and exploited. The following list of characteristics helps to define such groups. 1. The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment. 2. The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members. 3. The group is preoccupied with making money. 4. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished. 5. mind-numbing techniques (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, debilitating work routines) are used to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s). 6. The leadership dictates—sometimes in great detail—how members should think, act, and feel (for example: members must get permission from leaders to date, change jobs, get married; leaders may prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, how to discipline children, and so forth). 7. The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example: the leader is considered the Messiah or an avatar; the group and/or the leader has a special mission to save humanity). 8. The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society. 9. The group’s leader is not accountable to any authorities (as are, for example, military commanders and ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream denominations). The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have consider unethical before joining the group (for example: collecting money for bogus charities). 10. The leadership induces feelings of guilt in members in order to control them. 11. Members’ subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family, friends, and personal group goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group. 12. Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group. 13. Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

欺骗是使用心理控制技巧的邪教最常用的方法. 邪教信徒和支持者们对他们本身受到的欺骗和被利用并不了解. 以下的一些特点可以帮助找出这些邪教. 1. 邪教信徒们祟拜的是一个在生的教主, 他们对该教主表现出过分的忠诚和不经怀疑与思考地为该邪教服务. 2. 该组织的主要目标以招收新成员为主. 3. 该组织的主要目标以增加收入为主. 4. 对组织的教义和行为提出疑问和反对是不被鼓励的, 甚至会因此而被处罚. 5. 使用令人心灵变得麻木的技巧去停止信徒们对该组织和教主产生疑问. 这些技巧包括打坐入静, 唱圣歌和背诵诗句, 自我谴责的检讨, 令人极端疲劳的工作等. 6. 教主和领导层决定信徒们怎样思考, 做什么, 和感觉什么(例: 信徒们要从教主处得到准许才能去约会情人, 改变工作, 结婚; 教主可以决定信徒穿什么, 在那里居住, 怎样教育小孩等等. 教主这种种规定有时会到绝对的程度.  7. 该组织成员认为自己是精英份子, 教主是最伟大的个体, 该组织是最神圣的组织 (例: 该组织的教主被认为是救世主或神与佛的化身, 该组织和其教主从事着拯救人类的工作).  8. 该组织有一种两极的带对抗性的,我们对抗他们的思想, 这种思想会与社会产生摩擦.  9. 该组织的教主不需要服从于任何权威和法律. 该组织教导或暗示信徒们可以为了其认为好的目标而使用不道德的手段去活动.  10. 该组织引发信徒们产生罪恶感, 然后以此来控制他们.  11. 信徒对组织的忠诚, 切断或伤害到他们与其家人和朋友的关系, 也改变了他们原来的人生目标和感兴趣的活动.  12. 信徒们被要求付出不正常数量的时间在组织的活动上.  13. 信徒们被鼓励或被要求只和其它组织内的信徒来往.

Dr. Margaret Singer’s characteristics relevant to cult identification, some of them highlight the role of the cult leader. 1. Cults are authoritarian in their power structure. 2. Cults tend to be totalitarian in their control of the behavior of their members. 3. Cults tend to have double sets of ethics (one for the leader and another for the members; one for those inside the group, another for dealing with outsiders). 4. Cult leaders are self-appointed and claim to have a special mission in life. 5. Cult leaders tend to be charismatic, determined, and domineering. 6. Cult leaders center the veneration of members upon themselves. 7. Cults appear to be innovative and exclusive. 8. Cults basically have only two purposes: recruiting new members and fund-raising.

Margaret Singer博士列出了几点邪教的特点, 其中的一些主要说明了邪教主的角色. 1. 邪教的权力结构是独裁式的领导结构. 2. 邪教通常以极权方式去控制信徒们的行为. 3. 邪教通常有双重的道德标准, (给教主的是一套, 给信徒够又是另一套; 在邪教内讲一套, 在与社会接触时又讲另一套. ) 4. 邪教主是自封的, 他们都自称其生命有着特殊的意义. 5. 邪教主们通常富有魅力, 意志坚定并专横跋扈. 6. 邪教主们在邪教中提倡个人崇拜, 使信徒们崇拜教主. 7. 邪教通常使用新方式行事并有排外的思想. 邪教一般来讲只有两个目标: 招收新成员和收集资金.

By Those Definitions, Falun Gong is Not a Cult
1. Falun Gong has no power structure. All practitioners are simply students. There is only one teacher, Master Li Hongzhi.

2. I practice Falun Gong, no one tells me what to do. I can do whatever I want. I don't have to "clarify the truth," I only do this because I hate to see practitioners abused and tortured in China.

3. Master Li Hongzhi lives by his own teachings. He only talks about what he can do, and he doesn't talk about what he can't do.

4. Many people claim to have special missions in their lives. Maybe a musician says his mission in life is to spread beautiful music. A priest's mission in life is to promote his own religion, so what is wrong with being self-appointed and claiming a special mission in life? If Li Hongzhi founded Falun Gong, who else could have been appointed as leader? It is after all his practice.

5. Li Hongzhi is far from domineering, he is a believer in non-violence, compassion, and cherishment of life. He is perhaps charismatic, and in my experiences he is definitely determined. What is wrong with that?

6. Li Hongzhi accepts no gifts, and he does not seek veneration from his students. He doesn't even let his students pay for their own meals when they dine together.

7. Falun Gong practitioners do not recruit, people come to learn the gong on their own. Also, Falun Gong does not collect any money, and there is never any fund-raising.

Falun Gong is not a cult by any of those definitions of a cult.

Maybe by some definitions and some people's perceptions Falun Gong is a cult, but these are simply word games, and they avoid the key issue, is Falun Gong good?

Imagine this:

If a cult was good and it helped people, what is wrong with that? There are and have been for many years good and orthodox religions, however there definitely have existed evil and unorthodox religions. So maybe there are good cults, and there are bad cults.

Even if Falun Gong were a cult (which is just simply a word for describing a group of people with simialar beliefs), what is wrong with that? As long as it helps people, what is wrong with Falun Gong? It has certainly helped and changed me. Millions of people have regained there health and improved moral standards. You can read all of these stories for yourself, these are available for free download. We are not hiding anything.

www.clearwisdom.net

What is wrong with this? This in no way characterizes an evil cult. What is wrong with cultivating Truthfullness, Compassion, and Tolerance? Master Li Hongzhi has explained:

"Zhen, Shan, Ren is the Fa! And it is the manifestation of the Great Fa of the cosmos at different levels. It is absolutely not some human theory or guiding principle for ordinary human living, as human beings take it to be." ("Beyond the Limits of Forbearance")

Who keeps claiming that Falun Gong is deceptive? What are we hiding? How are we concealing our "core teachings"? They are availble for free download.

www.falundafa.org

Perhaps some Falun Gong practitioners simply don't like talking about their own beliefs with other people, this is just a personal choice. Have you ever considered this? Maybe they just don't want to talk about these things, or maybe they just don't want to talk to you.

We don't ever question you about your deepest core beliefs and feelings. Why bother us?

Read the books people!

www.falundafa.org

danielprice 8/31/06 1:30 PM

If you guys are not hiding the core teachings then why fight so hard to prevent these teachings being reported on wikipedia? It is because you guys are lying to the public on wikipedia that we must expose your real beliefs here. --Mr.He 19:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

What is there to hide?
I'm not fighting you from reporting anything. You can report the core teachings of Falun Gong all you want.

Look, I will simplify them for you right here:

Zhen-Shan-Ren

Truthfullness, Compassion, and Tolerance

The Cosmic Characteristic

Heshi Friends

danielprice

Just an opinion on mediation, nothing more
For a wide range of westerners and devout Falun Gong practitioners (see? there's no grey area. Try finding a "religion" where everyone's absolutely devout to its teachings that's not apparently a cult) to come and mediate on the topic of Falun Gong is really just an excuse to present an even more western perspective. It's like asking some Catholic cardinals to "mediate" over the issue of cloning. I wish you great luck, and may the Dharma wheel spin this article in the right direction.

My continued cultivation with the Dafa also gives me a feeling, and a hard one to explain at that, that the article after mediation will be all the more digusting to read than communist propaganda. Master Li teaches us how to bullshit in the proper manner. The majority of you "mediators" should seriously study his teachings more. Then you will be able to brainwash the entire western world more effectively!

Don't even try to convince me I'm wrong. I'm wiser than all of you. I can't explain why because frankly I have engrained philosophies too difficult for you to comprehend. Once you learn the true Fa, get back to me and I'll make it clear to you then.

Colipon+(T) 02:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

FLG funding
In reply to the previous posting, you are wrong. The ex-wife bought about a gross (150 copies) of the FLG book for $10 each. She then gave them all out. I have no idea how many times she did that. Transferring a cost directly to someone is same as them giving you money directly. It didn't cost $10 to make the book. She has repeatedly sent money back to China. By now, she must be well over the $100,000 dollar mark. The kid still has no college fund here that I am aware of. Like you, I do believe in karma. On 9/11, I sent the ex down to the Trade Center to help out(she is a nurse). I had to beg her to do it. Basically, I dropped $100 and filled up her sack with supplies. Then the excuses started: "How am I going to get down there?" My response: "Ask any cop." She took a "friend" to pass out FLG material at the grave site. How dare they desecrate the gravesite? 70 people from my neighborhood died that day. The ex now bears the same 9/11 marks as many others. When her time comes, it will more than likely be slow and painful. A fitting end. Cj cawley 10:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

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Cj cawley,

There are other costs involved in making and publishing books, Falun Gong is not trying to make some kind of profit off of people. I'm sure the rest of the money goes towards shipping costs and other publishing fees. Look, Li Hongzhi even once said that he wished he could have given the books away for free.

Your remarks were rude and uncalled for.

How is passing out FLG material at a grave site desecrating it?

Look Cj, some people just really love FLG and want to share it with everyone they know. What makes a grave site so special of a place not to hand out fliers? This sounds to me more like you and your wife had marriage problems, and this has nothing to do with FLG. Sorry if this sounded too harsh. I just want to say, your final comments were way off-colour and uncalled for.

By the way, I'm curious, what are "9/11 marks"?

Heshi friend,

danielprice

 * A grave is a place to respect and remember the fallen. Not for preachers and propaganda. It suprises me that people claiming about their high goodness would do something like that. So much for "Shan". --Yenchin 07:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Daniel -

 * My remarks were the facts. If you actually have the audacity to ask such a question about the crater on the lower West Side, then you have reached consumation.  There is no humanity left in you.

 * The divorce is the direct result of her FLG actions and related activities for your group. Her actions may well bring about the demise of many in China.  It will be completely legal.

 * As for the 9/11 marks, you again show your ignorance. Look at

her hands & face, she is marked is ways that come from within. Cuts that do not heal, etc. If you actually knew people that were there, then you would not need to ask that question either. Cj cawley 08:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Requesting topic ban against Simon
See here. Best Regards, --HappyInGeneral (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I would encourage everybody to participate and point out how partisan and inappropriate this requested topic ban is. Simonm223 (talk) 18:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * For anyone familiar with the behaviour of Asdfg12345 and HappyInGeneral, this request is outrageous. These two editors have POV pushing the heck out of FG articles for months, and now they are getting reverted they have the nerves of trying to topic ban one of the editors that is reverting their POV pushing? This pushes the limits way farther that I can stand. --Enric Naval (talk) 21:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Enric, please discuss the content which you may do so above. That is constructive. Labeling user conduct is not constructive. Thank you! --HappyInGeneral (talk) 21:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * This has been attempted for months years and it has been of absolutely no usefulness since Asdfg12345 and you are clearly trying very hard not to hear. (By the way, the accurate descriptions of the disruptive behaviour of an user does not constitute a personal attack, so references to WP:NPA are not having the effect that you think that they are having). --Enric Naval (talk) 22:53, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I feel the current situation and sentiments are quite unfortunate, and even confusing. Why can't edits be discussed? Why can't we thrash out the issues based on sources and policy? Every change I made was clearly explained in the edit summary, and I made a space above. If you have a problem, please point it out, explain why, or undo that edit, or whatever. Use policy and sources to support your argument, rather than generalised accusations. Show rather than tell how my edits are problematic. I am more than willing to have that discussion, support my arguments with sources, and where I'm wrong admit it and go with the better formulation.--Asdfg12345 00:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

 * The edits were discussed, for months you don't own the falun gong articles and other editors do not need to run every decision past the office of . Simonm223 (talk) 02:57, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I very much doubt that the edits where discussed but more importantly what I would like to point out to you that by doing blind reverts you are in practice blocking people you don't like to make edits and that is the actual practice of owning the article. --HappyInGeneral (talk) 12:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * A seemingly civil facade does not hide the end goal of single-purpose accounts. Any rational user can read through these discussions, look through user contributions, and see for themselves. I am not engaging in strawmen discussions and wasting my time to wait for my logical argumentation to be shoddily brushed away by users who simply do not want to agree, and who are forbidden to agree because of their belief system. Colipon+ (Talk) 03:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

This request is bullshit. I won't even dignify it by commenting at ArbCom. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 03:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Please do, I could use the support. Simonm223 (talk) 04:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm.. it's a pretty watertight argument you have, Colipon. Avoids all the actual trouble of engaging in the issues at hand. I like working with other editors, and would like nothing more than to have a collaborative environment here. I don't know how to make that happen. I don't even know what I've done wrong. Edit the pages, it seems. I am sure you are aware that 80% of the Persecution of Falun Gong page, which was full of serious research from academic journals and major newspapers, was all gutted. Simply deleted right off the page, whole sections that were groundbreaking research (like Munro's on psychiatric abuse). But all I've done is balance things here (like adding "decentralisation" to the section about Falun Gong's apparently hyper strict organisation, and making clear the status of the cult claims in the mainstream) with mostly good sources, documenting everything in a very clear way. I don't know what more I can do. But if there is, please tell me. I would like that we could just get on with the actual work rather than all the finger pointing.--Asdfg12345 12:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

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A SUMMARY OF BRAVE NEW WORLD BY ALDOUS HUXLEY
There is a world which is considered to be in the future in the story, Brave New World, written by Aldous Huxley. According to the story, after the world war nine, a new world emerges. In that world, almost everything is different from the world we live in now. Babies are produced in bottles and trained when they grow up by the world state. They are conditioned as the world state wants them to be. In the conditioning lessons they are made to hate some concepts like family, parents and love with some developed psychological methods. The people are separated into classes such as alpha, beta, gamma. And higher class people hate lower classes. Each class is trained as necessary for its position in society. They have to behave in the way that is wanted. Nobody must think about changing the system. So the ideas against the system and to think or speak about them are forbidden. There is no need to think about problems much. When there is a problem they take some 'soma', a drug which make them relax and get peace. Briefly, human beings have no difference from programmable machines in that world. And the interesting side of the case is that these are done for the safety of the world.

There are some main characters the story is based on. One of them is Lenina, who is an alpha and a beautiful young girl. Another one is Bernard, who looks like a low class one but who is very intelligent. Due to the way the others threat him because of his appearance, he is alone and strange. And he has some dangerous ideas about the state. Because of his ideas, he has some problems with the director of the state.

Lenina likes Bernard. So she accepts his invitation to visit the savage reservation where uncivilized people live. Bernard goes to have the director, named Thomas, sign the sheet of paper for the savage reservation. During this time there is a conversation between them and in this conversation, Thomas talks about his old girl friend and says she was lost in that reservation. In the conversation, Bernard makes the director angry because of his words and so the director threatens him to send to a sub-center like an island.

At the end Lenina and Bernard arrives at the reservation, and they encounters Thomas' old girl friend who has been lost in that reservation and her son John. Soon Bernard thinks that he can defeat the director whom he is in trouble with, if he takes John and his mother back to civilized world. Because having a son is a good enough reason to be defeated in that world and the director, Thomas, has one : John. And Bernard takes them. As a result Thomas will not be a problem for Bernard.

Meanwhile, Lenina and John fall in love with each other but there is a big difference between their ideas because of their training. Lenina is a person who was trained by the world state and John was trained by Shakespeare's books which are forbidden. They are from different worlds and they can not understand each other. John is a strange one and everybody wants to see him, which disturbs him. John is alone in that world where all human values have changed. At the end, he commits suicide.

There is no possibility for the existence of that kind of world. The power of technology is clear but even technology can not dominate the life as in this example. I mean, as long as the world exists, there will be no events like all babies are produced in bottles and state trains them. It seems the writer has the fear that humanity will disappear because of the incredibly developing technology as lots of people do. I think our problem is that we need much more developed technology to reduce its bad effects. Technology is beneficial for mankind as long as it is used logically.

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The Pagan Beliefs Surrounding Christmas/Introduction

The month of December holds one of the most celebrated holidays in the world. Although Christmas is extremely popular, do we really know the story behind this celebration? Indeed, many questions go unanswered when it comes to Christmas. Today we are going to explore those questions and answers. We are going to look into many controversial aspects of Christmas, including things such as dates, customs, and traditions, so join me in this marvelous exploration of Christmas.


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Souliotic songs

A cycle of folk songs pertaining to the Souliotes and mainly to their wars against the Turks and the Albanians of Ali Pasha in 18th and early 19th century.

The first collection of Souliotic songs was published by the French philologist and historian Claude Fauriel in 1824 in the 1st volume of his “Chants populaires de la Grèce moderne”, a cornerstone for French and Greek laography. This was the first major collection of Greek folk songs (demotika) ever published in a European language. The songs are given in the original Greek and in French translation. Apart from the songs, this publication includes an extensive history of Souli and its wars (pages 223–283).

A footnote by Fauriel in p. 283 indicates that the collection was completed before the death of Markos Botsaris, i.e. before 1823. In other parts of the “Chants populaires” Fauriel published other folk songs directly related to the Souliotes, e.g. “The death of Kitsos Botsaris”, and “The Deliberation of Ali Pasha” (vol. 2, 1825, pp. 343–353).

Fauriel heard these songs from Greek refugees in Venice and Trieste.

After Fauriel many Greek and European authors published more Souliotic songs, as Souliotes continued fighting in the Greek Revolution which ended in 1829. In 1844 D.H.Sanders published some of the songs and their translation in German.

In 1852 the Greek historian Sp. Zambelios included a dozen of Souliotic songs in his collection of Greek folk songs. Among them was one for the death of Markos Botsaris (p. 644, song No 57). Souliotic songs translated into English were published in 1888 by Lucy M.J. Garnett.

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Unni Wilhelmsen

Unni Elisabeth Wilhelmsen (born 12 July 1971) is a Norwegian singer, songwriter, and musician. Her musical influences are pop music and the American tradition of the singer-songwriter in which the lyrics play an important role as well as the music. She lives in Oslo but has throughout her career had the whole of Norway as a venue. When she made her breakthrough in 1996 with her debut album To Whom It May Concern (Polygram), she became an important mediator of the singer-songwriter genre, a genre that has a broad audience in Norwegian popular music.

Career
Wilhelmsen was born in Oslo. She was given a guitar as a teenager and so the guitar became her first instrument. However, she had always dreamed of playing the piano, and later took it up. Her first tune featuring the piano came in 2006. She writes most of her music herself, but from time to time collaborates with others. Wilhelmsen is a full-time musician and releases her music on her own indie label, St. Cecilia Music. In addition to pursuing her solo career, in September 2013, Unni joined the Norwegian band "Di Derre" as a guitarist and vocalist.

Her debut as singer was at Smuget in Oslo, where music journalist Finn Bjelke was present. He liked what he heard and mentioned her to music producer Ole Evenrud at Polygram. This led to her first record contract, and her debut album To Whom It May Concern was released on Polygram 1996. She was awarded Spellemannprisen 1996 in two categories for this album. International release on Universal Music of To whom it may concern in Germany followed, but her international career was slow to develop. She started her own record company to be in charge. Now her audience outside Norway is growing; in effect she functions as her own distributor and a subcontractor for her former label, Universal.

Private life
Wilhelmsen lives in Oslo, Norway. She has installed her own studio in the kitchen, Fett Studio, and most of her album Til Meg (St. Cecilia Music, 2006) was recorded there.

Discography

 * To Whom It May Concern (Polygram, 1996), produced by Bugge Wesseltoft at the studio Bugges Room
 * Definitely me (Polygram, 1997), produced by Bugge Wesseltoft at Oslo Lydstudio
 * Back in the blonde (Universal Music, 2000), produced by Malcolm Burn at Clovet St. Studio
 * Disconnected (Universal Music, 2001), produced by Ronni Le Tekrø and Knut Bøhn at Øya Studio
 * Hurricane's eye (St. Cecilia Music, 2003), produced by Kjetil Saunes at Høytoglavt Studio
 * Til Meg (St. Cecilia Music, 2006)
 * 7 (St. Cecilia Music, 2010)
 * Live With Bodø Rhythm Group feat. Bodø Sinfonietta

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 * Spellemannprisen 1996: female artist of the year; album of the year for To Whom It May Concern

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Rover mission analysis and design

Objective
This rover design document is a collection of Mars rover design relationships. For deep space missions, there has been little published work of design rules-of-thumb, such as can be found for Earth orbiters. Space Mission Analysis and Design (SMAD) is a comprehensive resource for rules of thumb, empirical formulas, and algorithms for the design of low-Earth orbit, unmanned satellites. Some design guidelines provided in SMAD are broad enough to be applicable to deep space probes as well. Human Space Mission Analysis and Design (HSMAD) dedicates a few pages to the design of crewed lunar rovers; in particular, it provides a design algorithm to rapidly obtain order-of-magnitude estimates of mass and power requirements for a pressurized rover. The intent of the rover design document is to provide similar resources for the particular case of Mars robotic rover systems. The design document provides design rules of thumb and also references to articles relevant to the field of Mars rover design. The document is a collection of parametric relationships that help design and evaluate rover properties and performance (e.g. speed), both at the system and subsystem level, based on broadly defined scientific mission objectives.

Target Audience
This document is intended for students who desire to understand the high level scaling laws of rover systems and science payload designers who need to measure the impact of their payload on a rover vehicle. This document can also serve as the starting point for the development of more elaborate rover system design tools in the fashion of MSE.

System level design
Wilson et al. provide a database of eight Team X rover designs which are used to derive mass fraction relationships.

Payload mass fraction
Inputs Instrument mass

Outputs Rover total mass

Based on Team X designs, Sojourner and MER, the payload mass fraction $$a_{science}$$ of a rover is between 8% and 16% of the total rover mass and it is on average 12%. Therefore, for a given scientific payload mass $$M_{science}$$, including instruments and acquisition tools, the expected total rover mass $$M_{rover}$$ is provided by the following relationship.

Operations Cost
According to the NASA budget request for 2005 and to a NASA press release about the MER operations extension the average operations cost rate of a rover is approximately $1.25M per month.

Exploration performance
Inputs wheel diameter

Outputs Rock clearance and obstacle density

Rock Clearance
A rover equipped with a rocker-bogie suspension is able to drive over rocks whose size is less than one and a half times the wheel diameter.

Rock abundance
The number of rocks that are larger than a given size is derived from the rock abundance model developed by Golombek.

Rover Hardware Subsystem Decomposition
The remaining of this page is organized according to a subsystem decomposition of a rover system, as illustrated in the figure. Each subsystem section provides sizing and scaling relationships.

Power
Design rules that govern a rover power system are no different from those that apply to a regular spacecraft power system. SMAD provides guidelines for the design of spacecraft power systems.

Two types of power system have so far been used on Mars: solar power (MPF, MER) and radioisotope power (Viking landers). The MSL rover is expected to be the first Mars rover to use a radioisotope power system (RPS).

Solar power
The solar power system of surface vehicle differs from that of a satellite due to interactions with planetary dust. Over time, the deposition of dust on solar panels contributes to the degradation of power output.

Experience with the first 300 sols of Spirit operations shows that dust deposition losses reach a maximum of 30% over time . The experimental curve of loss due to dust ($$L_{dust}$$) as a function of mission duration can be approximated by the following function:

$$L_{dust} = 0.7 + 0.3*exp(-T/100)$$

where T is the mission duration measured in sols. Loss due to dust is combined with losses ($$L_{i}$$) due to solar array inherent degradation. The resulting formula for end-of-life power ($$P_{EOL}$$) as a function of beginning of life power ($$P_{BOL}$$) is:

$$P_{EOL} = L_{i}* L_{dust} * P_{BOL}$$

Multi-mission radioisotpe thermoelectric generator
A MMRTG generator is about 0.64 meters in diameter (fin tip to fin tip) by 0.66 meters long and weighs about 43 kilograms. A MMRTG generates 125 We at beginning of life; the output power diminishes over time at a rate of 1.6% per year.

A MMRTG uses 4kg of Pu$$^{238}$$; one gram of Pu$$^{238}$$ costs approximately $2000.

Mobility
The rover mobility subsystem includes hardware aspects (e.g. suspension, wheels, motors) but also performance aspects (e.g. ground clearance, mechanical speed).

Mobility hardware
As a reference, the mass of the MER mobility subsystem is 34.5 kg.

Mechnical speed
The figure shows the mechanical speed of various Mars rovers and Earth testbed rovers (References: MER ; Sojourner and MSL ; ExoMars ; Marsokhod 75 ; FIDO ; Nomad ; IARES-L and KWM

Sojourner
Sojourner references: ,

The mass of Sojourner is 11.5kg of which 9kg go into the vehicle. The rover's dimensions are 65cm in length, 48cm in width, and 30cm in height.

Power subsystem:

Solar arrays use GaAs cells; they weigh 0.340 kg and have an area of 0.22 m2. The nominal peak power is 16.4W. Primary batteries weigh 1.24 kg.

Thermal subsystem:

Three RHUs were installed in the axle of the rover inside the WEB.

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Update to new logo
Since FlySafair recently updated their logo and branding, would it be possible to update this image to the newer logo? I have a file with the new logo straight from the FlySafair website if it helps. AirplaneNiner (talk) 15:49, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

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Ceratozamia vovidesii

Ceratozamia vovidesii is a species of cycad in the family Zamiaceae endemic to the Sierra Madre de Chiapas of Mexico.

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User:Bogsat/notes

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 * Vandalism

Disambiguation link repair - You can help!

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Kosovars

Kosovars or Kosovans are the citizens of Kosovo. Kosovars are predominantly ethnic Albanians.

Kosovar citizenship is acquired by birth, adoption, naturalization, international treaties, or through some other specific forms.

Ethnic groups
Kosovo sources has a population of around two million. Ethnic Albanians form the majority in Kosovo with 92.9%. Most Kosovar Albanians are Muslims and speak Albanian.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kagojer Nouka

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Lepricavark (talk) 23:54, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Kagojer Nouka

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This is not a notable film. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFILM. Bythebooklibrary (talk) 21:42, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:01, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - Covered in The Indian Express, NDTV and CNN-News18. Has major actors among the cast. Probably enough to meet our criteria for WP:GNG.  Jupitus Smart  09:11, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, sufficient coverage in reliable sources to make an acceptable article. Antrocent (♫♬) 19:42, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 15:32, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep has reliable sources coverage such as Indian Express, CNN-News 18, IBN and NDTV, passes WP:GNG Atlantic306 (talk) 22:50, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes WP:GNG easily with WP:RS. --  Dane talk  00:59, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep of a film topic that met WP:GNG even when first nominated. The nominator may wish to review WP:V and the intent of WP:SIGCOV and WP:NF.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 19:31, 1 October 2017 (UTC)


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East Asian Calligraphy/The dot

The dot stroke is the simplest stroke in East Asian writing systems. Despite its name, it is not just a dot — it has length (sometimes quite long), and direction. In fact, it is the shape of this stroke, and not its length, that makes it a dot stroke.

Examples of the dot stroke: 1 It's harder to determine what a stroke is in hiragana, since hiragana is inherently cursive. Dot-like shapes can be found in い、う、え、お、か、く、な、ふ、へ、む、や、ら. 2 Korean jamo tend to be freer in stroke specification, sometimes ㅅ, ㅈ, ㅊ, ㅉ can end on a vertical stroke or a right falling stroke as well.

If dot strokes can come in so many shapes or sizes, then what makes a "dot"?

In general, a dot stroke is defined by the following properties:

 * 1) They go downward.
 * 2) * Most dot strokes go diagonally downwards and rightwards. A few go leftwards, or straight down.
 * 3) They start soft and end hard.
 * 4) * Dot strokes don't trail off. The instant before you lift your pencil / pen off the paper should be one where you're applying force onto the paper.
 * 5) They tend to curve down.
 * 6) * This is mostly a consequence of the second point above. As you apply more and more force you tend to draw your hand closer to your body, hence curving the stroke downwards.
 * 7) * However, please don't overdo this. This feature should be a natural result of point 2 above. If you find yourself curving the stroke deliberately, then you're probably overdoing it. If it doesn't curve, then leave it. Not all dot strokes need to curve.

Let's take a look at three examples, the Chinese character for "heart", the Japanese katakana mi, and the Korean syllable for si:

The first, third and fourth strokes of "heart", all of the strokes of "mi", and the second stroke of "si" all show the properties of dot strokes.

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Teletraffic engineering/What is the Engset calculation?/Solution 1

Table 1 below shows the results for Erlang B and Engset calculations.

Table 1: - TABLE COMPARING RESULTS FOR ERLANG AND ENGSET CALCULATIONS FOR NUMBER OF LINES SPECIFIED FOR SAME NUMBER OF SOURCES AND OFFERED TRAFFIC AT 0.01 GoS.

Notice that the Erlang B formula specifies the maximum number of lines needed even if there are fewer sources.


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User:Depreeeeee

My name is Amy. I widely known as Amy, turkey, or Depreee. You can find me a lot of this website's chat: http://play-mancala.com/

(Other info coming soon)

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Sports medicine

Welcome to the department of sports medicine!

Sports medicine or sport medicine is an interdisciplinary subspecialty of medicine which deals with the treatment and preventive care of athletes, both amateur and professional. The sports medicine "team" includes specialty physicians and surgeons, athletic trainers, physical therapists, coaches, other personnel, and, of course, the athlete.

Learning projects

 * Sports medicine

Resources

 * Search for more resources

Wikipedia articles

 * Resources
 * Exercise
 * Augustus Thorndike
 * Overtraining
 * Sports injuries
 * National Academy of Sports Medicine

Department news
Sunday, February 18, 2007 - Department founded!

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clint Eastwood in the 1980s

The result was Delete. The result was Delete. There is clear consensus here that the page shouldn't exist. There is a reasonable argument, not refuted, that some of the material may need to be merged. There is the obvious fact that all the material cannot be merged. Therefore, consider this a "delete", but with a delay involved so that any necessary merging can be done beforehand. Once this has been handled to everyone's satisfaction, tag the page for speedy deletion, and link this discussion. As an aside, while it is true that AfD is not the best place to request a merger, a merger is a reasonable outcome at AfD, and the entirely of this page is obviously not viable for a merger. !voting to keep for procedural reasons isn't really a !vote to keep. Linking a bunch of tangentially related guidelines is not helpful. Vanamonde (Talk) 14:57, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Clint Eastwood in the 1980s

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Redundant and non-encyclopedic. No other major actor (e.g., see Al Pacino and Dustin Hoffman has multiple pages covering each film in depth. In any case, everything in the film summary below is covered in the film article itself. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 05:10, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 05:10, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Speedy Keep It's this discussion that is redundant and non-encyclopedic.  Clint Eastwood is obviously a huge topic but we don't need six more pages to discuss how best to organise it.  See WP:ATD; WP:BEFORE; WP:LIGHTBULB; WP:NOTPAPER; WP:PRESERVE; &c. Andrew D. (talk) 16:03, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Excessive details running riot, e.g. "Later on, he drives a Dark Maple Red Metallic 1980 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight Regency 4-door sedan." This is more appropriate for a book than a Wikipedia article. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:33, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete This level of detail works with a book, not an encyclopedia article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:58, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete/Merge Absurd level of detail. The main Clint Eastwood is quite comprehensive already and this is not an appropriate use of splitting and summary style. Just direct readers to the book this is almost wholly sourced to, don't turn this into an entire book by itself copying every fact in that one. Reywas92Talk 00:58, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep per Andrew Davidson. This is an editorial problem snd should never have been brought to AFD. These articles should have been tagged for merger, and then discussed at Talk:Clint Eastwood in order to go about that business in the propper manner. Obviously, there should not be this many pages about Clint Eastwood, but there's a lot of material here that could be of some value, either in the film articles or weeded down to a few additions to improve the central article. I strongly urge an admin to close this discussion and direct the nominator to tag the articles for merger and begin a merger conversation with editors interested in tackling what would be a fairly large collaborative project. There are too many editoriall decisions to be made here to be simply solved by an AFD.4meter4 (talk) 04:42, 1 October 2019 (UTC)


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Talk:Sleepless (comics)/GA1

GA Review
The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.''

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 16:31, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Comments That's all I have for now. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:17, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * "eleven monthly issues published by Image Comics between December 2017 and January 2019" that's 13 months?
 * There was a gap between the first and second half of the story, so the schedule was monthly with a hiatus. This is detailed in the body, but I can't think of a clear way to summarize it in the lead. Any suggestions? Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I took out the adjective, which seems like the most elegant solution. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Infobox says "Publication date: 	Nov 2017 – January 2018"...
 * fixed Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Where is "Ongoing series" claim referenced? It had a limited run of just 11 issues... (also, prose says: "Although initially expected to run twelve issues", i.e. a limited run).
 * Updated to limited Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * "with Alissa Sallah, who was their colorist and editor, and Deron Bennett, who was their letterer." -> "with colorist Alissa Sallah and letterer Deron Bennett".
 * revised Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Lead could use a little more in the final paragraph.
 * I added a couple sentences. Let me know if it still needs more. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * "The initial concept for the story..." -> "The initial concept for Sleepless ...
 * revised Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * " New York Comic Convention." we just call this New York Comic Con right?
 * Indeed we do. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * "on March 2, 2017 at " comma after 2017.
 * added Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No need to link common terms like "art studio".
 * link removed Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Bitch Planet: Triple Feature - always a bit odd to part-link a title.
 * piped Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * " the plot subverts traditional female roles in fantasy" how?
 * clarified Argento Surfer (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * "lettering font" is "lettering" necessary here? A font is, after all, a series of letters in a particular style, right?
 * removed Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * "2200" comma for thousand separator for consistency.
 * added Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * " on March 13, 2019 collected" comma after 2019.
 * added Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Lady 'Poppy' Pyppenia vs Lady "Poppy" Pyppenia - be consistent.
 * revised Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * " release[21] and throughout its run.[22]" just put the refs together, readers can wait to the end of the sentence, it's only another four words...
 * moved Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The first issue began in medias res[25] with... same.
 * moved Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * "interconnected, or both.[28][8]" refs in order.
 * moved Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * "compared it to Art Nouveau[19] or woodblock prints.[19]" unnecessary first ref.
 * removed Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * "they complimented the artwork" do you mean complemented?
 * maybe, yeah. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Why two "Comic ending" categories?
 * I believe the second was due to the infobox parameter, which has been revised. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I've addressed all the easy ones. I will address the remaining two soon. Thanks for taking the time to look this over. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * no problem, ping me when you're ready for me to re-review. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:14, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I've made adjustments to everything you've mentioned so far. Thanks for your patience. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, cool, I'm satisfied with the article and am happy to promote. Good work. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:41, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Flow Motion

Fair use rationale for Image:Can-Flow Motion (album cover).jpg
Image:Can-Flow Motion (album cover).jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 18:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Wrong Titel
The correct spelling of the album is "Flowmotion" and not "Flow Motion". See: Spoon Records Catalog Please change it. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 12:08, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

title: Talk:Flow Motion