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Hi everyone,

I work in Monitise's Communications team, based in London (please visit my userpage for full details) and I'd like to help contribute to keeping the Monitise Wikipedia page up-to-date with the latest information. There being a good deal of information about the company's financials in particular on the page that require regular updating, I hope that I can be helpful in sourcing the latest information for this.

As a first suggestion, I've outlined a couple of updates to the Infobox as laid out below - I'd appreciate if these were implemented and am happy to help with any referencing:
 * Under 'Number of Locations', this could be amended to 'United Kingdom, United States, Turkey, India, Hong Kong and Indonesia'
 * Under 'Key People', Alastair Lukies is now co-CEO alongside Elizabeth Buse, and Peter Ayliffe is Chairman
 * Under 'Revenue', the latest figure is 95.1m, correct to June 2014
 * For the category 'Owner', the list of names here is changeable due to the nature of Monitise being publicly listed. Our major shareholders page provides the latest information that I hope will be helpful in keeping this up to date
 * For number of employees, this now falls between 750-1000

Please update accordingly if appropriate. I will start to look at the rest of the article and make contributions either here or via my userpage - I welcome your feedback and comments. Thanks all.

HannahNStewart (talk) 17:04, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Reliable sources (see WP:RS) for those numbers would be helpful. John Nagle (talk) 03:50, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello - some citations have now been added to the text above. Please do let me know if you need any further in order to update.

HannahNStewart (talk) 09:20, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

COI issues

 * - presumably has some connection with Monitise. Please see the WP:COI rules. Thanks.

Took out some of the promotional material. There's still too much good-news-only happy talk. Monitise stock is down 96% in the last two years. Yet somehow that wasn't mentioned. John Nagle (talk) 19:01, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

 * Hi John,

 * Thank you for changing / amending the content accordingly. I have updated the page with some additional citations and have removed any double spacing that appeared.

 * Is it possible to add the below to 2012-present?

 * In June 2014, Monitise acquired Markco Media’s leading retailer offers, content and discount network, which includes the MyVoucherCodes brand. The acquisition augmented Monitise’s Buy Anything mobile commerce product offerings by connecting to a global network of 60,000 brands and retailers.

 * In Spain, Yaap – a joint venture between CaixaBank, Santander and Telefónica - made Monitise the technology partner behind Yaap Shopping, a virtual mobile commerce service for retailers. The service launched in June 2014.

 * 2014 has also seen Monitise founder and co-CEO Alastair Lukies awarded a CBE for services to mobile banking and charity and appointed as non-executive chairman of Innovate Finance; a new industry body which will look to represent Britain as a global leader in financial technology (FinTech).

 * In 2015 Monitise announced that revenue declined 6% to £89.7m (FY 2014: £95.1m), changes to the board and progress on transition to cloud. Elizabeth Buse stepped down as CEO and from the Board, on 9 September 2015, and deputy CEO and Chief Commercial Officer Lee Cameron was appointed Monitise's new CEO.

 * LouisaMonitise (talk) 10:50, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

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Teletraffic engineering/Blocking

Module by: Nomfundo N. Dlamini

Summary
The telephone system is not dimensioned such that all subscribers can be connected at the same time [2]. Providing sufficient resources to carry all traffic that could be offered in a telecommunications system would be very uneconomical [1]. Subscribers have to share resources because equipment at the exchanges is expensive. As a result of this, telecommunications systems are likely to experience problems at times, for example calls fail to get through. This phenomenon is termed blocking. Indiscernible amounts of blocking are acceptable in the telecommunication systems.

What is Blocking?
Blocking in telecommunication systems is when a circuit group is fully occupied and unable to accept further calls [1]. It also referred to as congestion. Due to blocking in telecommunications systems, calls are either queueued (but not lost) or are lost (all calls made over congested group of circuits fail). Such systems are called queueing systems (delay systems) and lost-call systems respectively. The proportion of calls that are lost or delayed during blocking portray the measure of the grade of service which is basically the measure of the service provided. A large grade of service indicates a poor service offered to the customer. The grade of service is always specified at the busy hour.
 * An example of a queueing system: a message-switched exchange
 * An example of a lost-call system: a circuit-switched exchange

The grade of service (B) in a lost-call system is defined as [1]:

B = Number of lost calls / Number of offered calls

B may also be defined as [1]:

 * B = Lost traffic / Offered traffic
 * B = Proportion of time in which congestion exists
 * B = Probability that a call will be lost through congestion

There are acceptable grade of service standards for different telecommunication systems [1]. Values which are lower than the stipulated values imply the systems offer poor service.

 * 0.001 for cheap tie line circuits
 * 0.002 for within building inter-exchange connections
 * 0.01 for expensive international circuit groups
 * 0.02 for cellular circuit groups

The grade of service is the blocking probability. A higher grade of service implies high probability of loss during the busy hour. Blocking probability is the chance that a customer will be denied service due to lack of resources. A blocking probability of 0.01 means 1% of customers will be denied service. It should be as low as possible and can be decreased by [3]:

 * 1) Increasing resources in the system
 * 2) Offering incentives and discounts during off-peak hours to encourage usage of resources outside the busy hour.

Two formulae are used for calculating the blocking probability: the Erlang-B and Erlang-C. The choise of formula is dependent upon the method of handling of customers when all resources are busy.

 * Erlang-B: used for lost-call systems whereby calls are lost should all resources be busy.
 * Erlang-C: used for queueing systems whereby calls are queued should all resources be busy.

The Erlang-B formula is:

$$P_B = \frac{\frac{A^N}{N!}}{\sum_{i=0}^{N}{\frac{A^i}{i!}}}$$ .............(1)

where

A is the total traffic offered in units of Erlangs N is the number of circuits PB is the probability that a customer's request will be rejected due to lack of resources.

The Erlang-C formula is:

 * $$P_c = {{\frac{A^N}{N!} \frac{N}{N - A}} \over \sum_{i=0}^{N-1} \frac{A^i}{i!} + \frac{A^N}{N!} \frac{N}{N - A}} \,$$.................(2)

where:

A is the total traffic offered in units of Erlangs N is the number of circuits Pc is the probability that a customer has to wait for service

Example
Let us assume that a teletraffic engineer wants to design a telecommunications system that will be a lost-call system with a blocking probability of 0.02 (2%). The maximum amount of busy-hour traffic (BHT) that the engineer wants the system to support during the busy hour is 78 Erlangs. Using the Erlang B calculator, we can find the number of circuits or circuits that the engineer is supposed to budget for as being 90.

Click here for Erlang-C calculator

Exercises

 * Exercise adopted from this link

Consider the resource dimensioning of DTMF (Dual Tone Multi Frequency) receivers in the Xenon switching system. DTMF receivers are used to receive tones from the phone keypad and recognize the dialled digits. Thus a DTMF receiver should be allocated before dial-tone is fed to the subscriber. The DTMF receiver can be freed after digit dialling has been completed. The average duration of the digit dialling phase is 30 seconds. The total number of circuits in the system is 180. A XEN processor shall handle at least 20,000 originations in the busy hour. Calculate the blocking probability of the system stated using: The Erlang-B model.

 * Solution

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Mohitabad

Mohitabad (, also Romanized as Moḩīţābād; also known as Moḩīţābād-e Seyyedhā and Mahītabād) is a village in Rivand Rural District, in the Central District of Nishapur County, Razavi Khorasan Province, Iran. At the 2006 census, its population was 876, in 227 families.

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Talk:Iranian Students Polling Agency

@DGG I am pleased if you can explain more about deletion proposed. It seems to me, The reason that have been mentioned, "no evidence notably" is too vague. Anna karenina (talk) 17:46, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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segugio

Etymology
From (compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬), from a  language, from, from  (compare 🇨🇬).

Noun

 * 1) hound, bloodhound
 * 2) private eye, sleuth

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User:JWSchmidt/Blog/19 February 2007

Gratis versus Libre  The Wikipedia page for Gratis versus Libre explains how these two terms can be used to describe two types of "free" content. Will this prove to be useful terminology for making the distinction between "no-cost" and "free to copy/modify" content?

Can non-GFDL webpages include Wikipedia pages or do websites that include GFDL content have to clearly license their copies of the content as GFDL?
 * answers.com seems to license their pages as GFDL if they include content from Wikipedia.
 * About - still searching for Wikipedia content at about.com
 * Yahoo - still searching for Wikipedia content at yahoo.com

If there are websites that use GFDL content without clearly licensing their copies of the content as GFDL, can GFDL content be used in frames of proprietary LMS pages? See: wikilearner

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User:Visionovervisibility

About me
I am Steven McGee, I am a professor at Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. I teach a class on teaching with technology and help teachers learn how to contribute to Wikipedia. I love the band U2. My username comes from a line in one of their songs. We retain our sanity by having a vision of the future that goes beyond what is visible to us now.

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Wiktionary talk:Translations/Noting lemma forms in WT:ELE

 * from WT:BP Rod (A. Smith) 22:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

With the recent update to WT:AJ, we documented our common practice of differentiating the full format used for lemma entries from the abbreviated format used for non-lemma entries. We should do something similar in WT:ELE. I think the following wording reflects how we currently select English lemmata and belongs in the ==Basics== section of WT:ELE:
 * ===Lemma entries===
 * Each language may have its own traditional choice of lemma forms for various parts of speech. For English entries, the lemma form is usually the “bare” form: the singular form for nouns (e.g. word: but not words:), the bare infinitive form for verbs (e.g. talk: but not talks:, talking:, or talked:), and the positive form for adjectives (e.g. easy: but not easier: or easiest:).  With some types of words, an alternate form is the preferred lemma, e.g. the plural entry for a plurale tantum.  For other types of words, there may be no distinction between lemma and non-lemma forms, e.g. for pronouns, articles, prepositions, and defective verbs like may: that lack an infinitive form.  With such terms, all forms are treated as lemmata.  When the situation is unclear, editors are advised to use their best judgment on a case by case basis.

 * Following are guidelines for entries for the lemma form of terms. For non-lemma entries (e.g. for the plurals of most nouns), a more abbreviated format is used instead.

Is the above accurate? Is it too wordy for WT:ELE? Does it allow for enough or too much flexibility? Rod (A. Smith) 07:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Sounds good to me. But ideally ELE would address the format for "form-of" entries as well. -- Visviva 07:56, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

 * I think it would be much better to avoid using the term "lemma" instead of "base form." The above doesn't read very cleanly.  But the very last phrase is concerning.  AFAIK, we welcome clarifications on the form-of entries.  (That is, tags and a gloss, examples, pronunciation, etc.)  The wording you have above, suggests those be removed.  Again, AFAIK, only the ===Translations=== section is discouraged in the "form-of" entries (and only for noun forms and verb forms.)  Is there a better sub-page for this?  Entry layout explained is far too long as it is.  It obviously fails the TLDR test for most newcomers.  --Connel MacKenzie 08:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure about "base form", because that seems easily confused with "stem" or "root". "Citation form" or "canonical form" are pretty clear, but I'm not sure either is better than "lemma".  Is there a precise layman synonym?  Rod (A. Smith) 22:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Good suggestions, Visvia and Connel. We seem to need Entry in a nutshell for the TLDR problem and the full WT:ELE for the specifics, including the details for the non-lemma formats.  My understanding is that non-lemma entries are not supposed to include the following:
 * Etymology (e.g., the entry for speaking: should not show the Old English etymons specan: or sprecan:)
 * Other non-lemma inflections (e.g., the entry for speaking: should not show the inflection spoke: on the headword line)
 * Detailed definitions (e.g., the entry for speaking: should show that it is the present participle of speak:, but should not have separate definitions “communicating with one's voice”, “having a conversation”, “communicating by some means other than orally”, “delivering a message to a group”, or “being able to communicate in a language”)
 * Synonyms, antonyms, or other -onyms
 * Translations
 * Is anyone under the impression that non-lemma entries should contain the above information? Rod (A. Smith) 18:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

 * My understanding is that a non-lemma should include the following:
 * Alternative spellings (or whatever)
 * Pronunciation
 * POS header
 * Simple bold term inflection line (possibly with gender, number, etc. specific to that form but not any other inflectional forms)
 * A gloss/definition that links to the lemma and explains the relationship
 * Example sentences
 * Supporting citations
 * My understanding also is that a non-lemma should not contain other kinds of information, though I can imagine there may be exceptions in unusual situations, such as when a past tense form has an unusual etymology. Including synonyms & antonyms would get messy; consider that the antonym of whiter is less white, not blacker.  Likewise you run into problems if you're going to have synonym listings for all the inflections of Latin nouns, adjectives, verbs, etc. --EncycloPetey 23:25, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't think non-lemma entries usually need alternative spellings, example sentences, or supporting citations; all of those should ordinarily go in the lemma page. Conversely, I'm O.K. with a term derived from a non-lemma appearing at both the lemma entry and the non-lemma entry (say, double-dealing being listed both at deal and at dealing), and I'm O.K. with non-lemmata belonging to relevant lexical categories (like Category:English plurals). —Ruakh TALK 20:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

 * I have to disagree strongly about alternative spellings and citations. The non-lemmae need to have separate citations listed because they are different spellings from the lemma!  In Latin, for example, the reason we know that a particular word is irregular is through documented citations of the irregularity.  It would be silly to burden the lemma page citations with all the dozens of inflected forms, and would be difficult for anyone trying to make use of the data to parse out the appropriate citation or two that supports, say, the irregular dative feminine plural form.

 * Likewise, an inflected form may have an alternative spelling that the lemma does not have. A non-lemma page should therefore have an alternative spellings section of its own.  --EncycloPetey 22:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Re: citations: Are you saying that citations for an inflected form should never appear at the lemma entry, or only that they shouldn't necessarily appear at the lemma entry? If the latter, then I agree completely; but if the former, then I beg to differ. If in the oldest known citation using a noun, it appears in the plural genitive, then I think that citation needs to be included in the entry for the noun, i.e. the entry for the noun's singular nominative form. The entry for the lemma is really the entry for the word as a whole; that's why we define dictionary as "A publication, usually in the form of a book, […]" and not "The singular form of a noun used to refer to a publication, usually in the form of a book, […]" or whatnot.

 * Re: alternative spellings: How can that be? Either the same word has multiple spellings for one form (in which case the lemma page should note that in the inflection line, inflection table, and/or usage notes), or it has multiple spellings for all forms (in which case the lemma page will have its own alternative-spellings section). Can you give an example of what you mean?

 * —Ruakh TALK 00:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

 * I do mean that they shouldn't necessarily appear in the lemma page. I imagine that the citations for a lemma page could include the lemma form or various inflected forms, and even alternative spellings (see the citations for parrot).  However, I want to see the inflected forms backed up with at least some citations specific to that form and listed on the non-lemma page.

 * With regard to alternative spellings, I mean exactly what I say. sometimes only one or two of the inflected forms have alternative spellings but the lemma does not.  For example, a Latin word might have an alternative form for the accusative singular, but not for any of the other forms.  For example ingēns has two forms of the ablative singular, but only a single form for each of the other inflections.  I've set up the appropriate pages for ingēns, ingenti, and ingente to show how I would handle this.  Putting the alternative spelling information onto only the lemma page would cause the information to be visually lost.  In the case of some entries with multiple inflectional parts with mutliple forms (such as deus), it can be be downright confusing. --EncycloPetey 03:09, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

 * It seems like your approach would be less effective for deus, because suddenly deī would need to have a full-out explanation of its alternative spellings dīvi, dī, diī, and dii, (are those last two really different, or is that just a typo?) explaining which alternative spellings exist for which senses. If, instead, all the information is in the declension table at deus (as it is currently), and the entries for inflected forms all point there, then we don't need to worry about all these complicated explanations at the inflected forms; if we want to be explicit about it, we can even have dei say to see deus. —Ruakh TALK 03:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

 * As I said, it gets really confusing in the case of deus, but that's an exceptional case. There are only a handful of those in the whole of the Latin language.  For most alternative spelling issues, there are just one to three forms with alternatives (or all of them), and there's usually just one alternative. --EncycloPetey 04:17, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I've been talking to Ruakh about including definitions etc. of non-lemma entries, and I disagree quite strongly with what appears to be the current practice of simply stating the grammatical form of a word. If a reader doesn't know these grammatical terms, it isn't helpful for them to see something like "first-person singular pluperfect form of X" instead of an actual definition. For example, I'm going to use the word citisem, the first-person singular pluperfect form of the verb citi. Assuming that the reader does not know what "pluperfect" and "citi" mean, if the entry for citisem only includes "first-person singular pluperfect form of citi" they need to look first at citisem, to see the form, citi, to see "to read" and then pluperfect, to see that it means "pertaining to action completed before or at the same time as another," which honestly might not be the best definition. After all of this, without the definition "I had read," they still might not know what "citisem" means. Better I say to see as much as possible about the word "citisem" in its own entry than for it to be necessary to hop around wiktionary looking at definitions for other words. It might take more time to include all this information, but in the end it's more helpful for the readers. Sorry for being so wordy, but I feel strongly about this =) — [ ric | opiaterein ] — 18:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

 * The reason is that we want to avoid multiple unnecessary duplication of content. Consider that the Latin adjective albus has 3 definitions and 35 inflected forms.  If we add definitions to the non-lemma pages, that's 105 additional definition lines that have to be added and maintained.  Then there are the comparative and superlative forms of all Latin adjectives, which aren't included in the count above.  Just for the forms of albus, that's an additional 42 forms with 3 base definitions.  Now multiply all that by two, beacuse the comparative of "white" in Latin can mean whiter, but can also mean "rather white", and the superlative can mean "whitest" but can also mean "very white".  It makes more sense to explain this behavior of Latin adjectives once in a single location instead of needlessly repeating it on thousands of individual entries.

 * Likewise, consider that the Spanish verb tener has 7 definitions and 61 additional inflected forms. That makes 427 additional definition lines.  And what happens when someone adds a new definition sense to the lemma?  That sense has to be added to all 71 non-lemma pages.  The same happens if an edit is made.  It makes much more sense to give the definitions in a single central location, and provide a grammatical appendix for interpretation. --EncycloPetey 18:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

 * In such extreme cases as tener, where a word has that many definitions to begin with, with even one example of how the word is translated and possibly a "see tener for further definitions" that wouldn't be a huge problem at all. That, or maybe only give those definitions which are actually used frequently. Appendices are useful, if you know they're there (which even I didn't for a long time). But still, I think that words in a dictionary should be defined.

 * Still yet, not all languages have to be done the same way. I work mostly on Romanian entries, and being that I'm one of the few people who does so, I'm really not bothered much to go back and change things in multiple articles at once if I change something that affects multiple entries. — [ ric | opiaterein ] — 19:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

 * is hardly an extreme case. The example you gave—citi:—has eight definitions in the Romanian entry and presumably about a hundred forms.  To give non-lemma words full treatment in this dictionary, then, we would eventually need to maintain eight hundred definitions.  As this dictionary becomes more complete, such maintenance concerns will become the norm, not the exception.  Rod (A. Smith) 19:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

 * One option is to have the “form of” templates include a link to an appendix that explains what the grammar terms mean. Readers could then get a usable sense of the word by reading the appendix and clicking through to the lemma.  We would do readers a significant disservice if we pretend that citi: has eight distinct senses but citisem: can only be used in the sense “I had read”.  Rod (A. Smith) 19:52, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure where you go the hundred forms thing from. I'm not talking about a single entry for every form with auxiliary words (am citit, am să citesc). The definitions of citi on the Romanian wiktionary mostly mean "to read," whether it be music, a book or something else. Another says "to learn" or "to study" for which Romanian has other specific words, which are named directly in the definition. "A citi" means "to read" and has numerous definitions with almost the same meaning just as the entry read for English. Looking at the translation table of citi in the Romanian wiktionary entry, you'll see one word per language, with the exception of German. — [ ric | opiaterein ] — 16:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

 * OK, so it seems Romanian has not a hundred verb forms, but merely thirty-five or so. For the eight meanings, though, it doesn't make sense to discount them just because there are other words for those concepts.  If citi: can mean, "to learn" or "to study", those senses belong in our entry.  So that means we would merely need to maintain 280 definitions for the various forms of that word if we give non-lemma entries full treatment.  Regardless the exact number, though, it seems wrong to use the number of forms and senses to decide whether to give full treatment to non-lemma forms.  Doing so would seem to imply a rule along the lines of, “if a language has fewer than forty(?) inflected forms for a given word class, all the forms should be given semantic definitions, but if there are forty(?) or more forms, only the lemma should be given semantic definitions while other forms should show only the gramatical relationship with the lemma.”  Rod (A. Smith) 16:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Even 35 is a bit high... verbs generally have about 26 forms (with one word, that is without auxiliaries). If I remember correctly, definitions for languages other than English aren't supposed to be the full definitions as they would be given in that own languages wiktionary. We wouldn't have "to interpret typographic indications of a map or plan and to reconstruct after them the conforms of the terrain" under citi. Words (at least in Romanian) don't generally have meanings that are completely different. Using citi as an example again, the definitions as they would be in English would all be to read, whether it be a map, a book, music or whatever. (Side note: In an entry instead of having separate definitions for each of these senses, one could just point them out in example sentences, which are much more useful anyway.) The problem with the definition of "to study/learn" is that they don't appear to have a word that means to study in the sense of re-reading something you've read before to remember it: they just have "to read". Their word for study is cognate to our word for study, but it means about the same thing as "to learn". If you asked someone "what are you studying" they would answer with what they're learning about in school. If you saw someone studying for a test, or something, and asked what they were doing they would say they were reading. Anyway I've gotten off the main point.

 * Back on the topic: All that said, as I said before, in non-lemmas, you could simply give the most basic or most widely used definitions and adding "see [whatever the main article is] for more possible definitions". This would make "maintenance", etc, a lot easier. I never meant to give non-lemmas FULL treatment, just enough so that one wouldn't have to run between 3 or 4 articles to know how to translate a certain word. Right now, with non-lemmas, I'm including pronunciation, POS, a definition (and sometimes a see also/synonyms, if there's an alternate form or something), whereas normally I'd include etymology, synonyms, antonyms, related words, etc. I think maybe people have been thinking I meant to go all out with everything included in these entries. — [ ric | opiaterein ] — 18:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, regardless of the specific format for non-lemma entries, it seems that everyone agrees we should distinguish between lemma entries and non-lemma entries. The next logical step is to decide what constitutes a lemma entry and which details WT:ELE should explicitely exclude from non-lemma entries.  Rod (A. Smith) 19:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Please see Votes/2007-10/Lemma entries and help me refine it to something we can all support. Rod (A. Smith) 23:32, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Votes/2007-10/Lemma entries is now open. Rod (A. Smith) 19:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The vote is clearly headed toward rejection of a distinction between lemma entries and non-lemma entries. Consider the degree of completion we might expect to achieve if contributors work primarily on lemma entries for the next five years. If we instead dilute those contributions across the various inflected forms of words, we can expect to achieve that same degree of completion in fifty years instead. I hope this community can understand how counterproductive it is to our project for us to reject a normative focus on lemma entries. Rod (A. Smith) 22:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't think anybody is saying that there should be no distinction. What kind of completion are you talking about? I don't think anybody focuses primarily on non-lemma entries. And supposing that people work primarily on lemma entries for 5 years, you still have to go back and add non-lemmas (even if you're only adding "form of" information). So what it comes down to really is the total amount of effort you're willing to put into the dictionary. Focusing on basic forms of words and for the most part ignoring their forms isn't going to help readers that aren't familiar with grammatical terms. Even then the clarification is nice.

 * Note: In the above I'm referring mostly to translations under the inflection line for languages other than English. I think providing translations, etymology, synonyms, antonyms, etc to all English entries is basically a waste of time and energy. However, having the absolute minimum amount of information in non-lemma entries, while easier to manage, is just lazy. — [ ric | opiaterein ] — 00:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * That's pretty sensible, so long as it's clear to readers that more information can be found in the lemma entry. As this project matures, we will serve readers much better by expanding our foreign entry lemma definitions from crude one-word translations to fuller explainations of the terms' subtle nuances than we will by expanding non-lemma entries and trying to keep them synchronized.  Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that a change to the proposal to more strongly encourage brief gloss translations of non-lemma entries would sway anyone who currently has an opposing vote to one of support.  Rod (A. Smith) 02:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I've been doing it like I'm suggesting now. It never occurred to me that there would or should be another way of doing it. :-) See prietenului for one example of how I do non-lemmas. For those articles in which it's necessary, I definitely think a note should be made that there is more than one definition. The problem is how to work that in without having another subsection or something... — [ ric | opiaterein ] — 03:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * OK. It seems important to minimize confusion now caused by phrases like formal third person trial animate pluperfect negative perfective subjunctive.  Since the format requested by you, Robert, et al. places full grammatical description in the headword line, we should have some { {xx-verb}} templates display the headword line with a full technical jargon phrase linked to a language appendix specific to the corresponding inflection in that the language.  Since grammatical properties cannot be only in definition lines under the requested system, we will also need to repeat a given POS header, e.g.:

(unindenting) ===Verb===

 * 1) wins.
 * Él gana. — “He wins.”

Verb

 * 1) win.
 * ¡Gana! — “Win!”

 * Verb

 * 1) wins.
 * Él gana. — “He wins.”

 * Verb

 * 1) win.
 * ¡Gana! — “Win!”

A concern I have about this is that some editors have tried to merge sequential "===Verb===" sections, so we'd need agreement not to do so. Does that format seem ideal? Rod (A. Smith) 07:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * That's how I've always done it. :-) is what I use for the headword/inflection line. I suck at template design, so it might not be the best template evar, but it seems to get the job done. mâncaţi (needs example sentences, I know)

 * I think a template should have parentheses and  tags or something so it doesn't distract too much from the definition itself? And to repeat it every time, I don't know. That's the main thing I was worried about with such a notification. We could always just put it under ====See also==== or ====Usage notes==== with "See the lemma article, x for more detailed information" or "This word (or these words) can be translated in more diverse ways. For other possible usages"... etc.— [ ric | opiaterein ] — 15:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I dislike the above approach intensely. It would be counterproductive for Latin.  See the page/section alba.  Using the above format would require six separate Adjective sections under Latin for that word.  That would be silly.  Providing a translation for each separate "sense" would also be silly.  I've been doing Latin inflected adjectives the way alba is done. --EncycloPetey 22:07, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Hmm. Striking a balance here is challenging, but is it reasonable to show important grammatical properties in each headword/inflection line, gloss-type definitions in each definition line, and detailed translations within just “main” (lemma) entries?  For example, in, we could just do this:

(unindenting)

 * 1) white.

 * 1) white.

Does that seem reaonable? I don't think any fidelity is lost or any confusion introduced. Right? Rod (A. Smith) 23:04, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

 * More than reasonable, actually :-p I still really think the formatting should be or something, though :-D Maybe it should even be included in the form-of templates. But right now, I'm too tired to have ideas. — [ ric | opiaterein ] — 03:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * We can create some customization options for, but first I want to know that the overall approach has some chance of success. There is resistance from both the "list each grammatical role as a definition" camp and the "allow translations in all entries" camp, so I'm not yet sure this approach can succeed.  Rod (A. Smith) 17:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

With 3-5-1 opposing, the current vote is suspended. Votes/2007-11/Lemma entries 2 is where I will work on the new version. Following are the change so far:
 * Instead of "lemma" and "non-lemma", it uses "main" and "secondary" to describe the entries. Hopefully that makes it more clear that if any special senses exist for an inflected word, that inflection counts as a "main entry", regardless of whether it's considered "lemma" or "citation" form.
 * The "form of" information is now in the headword line, where it belongs.
 * is dropped. Instead, it recommends a brief semantic definition followed by "see full entry at... for details".
 * An example sentence and quotation are given in the example of the secondary entry.
 * Fewer sections are explicitly prohibited from secondary entries.

It's still not clear to me whether the opposition really believes we should leave translations in secondary entries like talks:. I will try to describe clearly why such translations are harmful to this project. Rod (A. Smith) 02:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I think translation tables in secondary entries are a bad idea in most cases. Plurals and stuff yeah, they're pretty harmless and easy to keep under control, but the information is just a repetition of what's in the primary entry which can be easily accessed to begin with. If you want to see the plural that bad, you can go through the primary article to the word you want. As we've seen, such tables for verbs would be a fucking nightmare.
 * Rod, do you think we should try to keep all our talk about this stuff in one place? So far we have it here at the beer parlor, on the old vote page, its talk page, and the new vote's talk page. Seems as messy as the translation tables lol — [ ric | opiaterein ] — 20:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Agreed. Everything is now accessible through Wiktionary talk:Translations.  Better?  Rod (A. Smith) 17:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


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Rukometni Klub Sloga commonly referred to as RK Sloga or simply Sloga is a team handball club from Doboj, Bosnia and Herzegovina. The team currently competes in the Handball Championship of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

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Sloga was founded in 1959. Until 1972 the club bore the name Partizan, Željezničar and Dobojindex, when it was finally changed to Sloga. RK Sloga was regular participant of Yugoslav top league between 1980 and 1991. In 1983 Sloga reached Yugoslav cup finals where it was defeated by then handball powerhouse Metaloplastika Šabac. In next season Sloga reached EHF Cup Winners' Cup final where it was defeated by FC Barcelona. The club competed in the regional SEHA League in 2013.

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Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2012 July 9

= July 9 =

Concealed carry laws stopping a spree shooting
One of the more interesting (to me) results of the Luby's massacre in Texas was the relaxation of concealed-carry firearms permit regulations. One of those present at the shooting stated publicly numerous times that had she been legally armed, she could have ended the massacre.

Has that ever happened? Has a spree shooting ever been stopped by a civilian with a legal firearm? gnfnrf (talk) 00:38, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * There are success stories with concealed-carry permits. Here's one is about a hostage situation:, and this is about someone storming a church wth a shotgun: .  There are other examples in the news, if you search for them.  Neither of these were shooting sprees, but that could be because they were stopped at the start.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:00, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Here are a few recent ones over the last month:  . These stories aren't uncommon. As for shooting sprees, Trolley Square shooting was ended when an off-duty officer exchanged shots with the shooter, after which on duty police arrived and killed him, which I think is close to your question. While I believe most U.S. states allow officers to carry concealed anyway when off duty, the argument is that an armed populace can respond faster than on duty police could. Shadowjams (talk) 01:37, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * When I read the "this is about someone storming a church wth a shotgun:", I thought it was going to link to the case where the counter-armed man missed the armed man and killed a little girl instead, no shots ever fired by the first armed man, but I can't find that article through google. Unique Ubiquitous (talk) 02:15, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I'm interested in this story as well.A8875 (talk) 02:37, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * That was a plot point in an episode of The West Wing.  Was it also a real story?  RudolfRed (talk) 02:38, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Ha, that could very well be where I got that from, my bad, facepalm. But still while searching for it I did come across many cases of Americans shooting each other in churches... really what are guns for but for killing... Unique Ubiquitous (talk) 02:58, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I've seen better examples than those linked above. (I even had some links, but they're broken now.)  Trouble is, when a bunch of people don't get murdered, it's less likely to make the news. —Tamfang (talk) 23:00, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Given the number of shootings and attempted shootings in the US, and the number of people that routinely carry guns, it's sure to happen sometimes. You need to compare the lives saved in such instances with the lives lost in accidental shootings and people getting hold of the gun (I heard a statistic somewhere that more US policemen are shot with their own gun than are shot with other guns, although I have no idea if that is actually true) to get useful information on the merits of concealed carry permits. --Tango (talk) 02:40, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * It has nothing to do with statist calculations of utility. US Citizens have rights, among them the right of self-defense, and the government has no place abrogating them. μηδείς (talk) 02:43, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Sure, but in other nations people think that a person's right to carry massacre capable weapons is less important than a person's right to not be constantly threatened by others. But still, congrats to the US on leading the developed world in murder, 11x Japan, 4x Europe, 3x Canada, maybe more guns would stop the murderers. Unique Ubiquitous (talk) 02:58, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * What in the world are you talking about? The right to carry concealed nuclear weapons?  Or the number of people murdered in WWII by Japan and the Axis compared to by Americans with guns?  Or how much better it is to be stabbed to death than shot?  Or saying that the murder rate in Mexico, two and a half that of the US, is better because their rate of death by firearm is only half hours?  Or implying that murderers generally have legal weapons and seek concealed carry permits?  Bizarre. μηδείς (talk) 03:55, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * The high murder rate in Mexico is mostly due to the irrational US drug policy, which ensures that drug gangs in Mexico will fight violently for control of the multi-billion dollar illegal cross-border drug smuggling operation. Their murder rate would also be lower if they weren't able to smuggle US guns into Mexico. StuRat (talk) 18:33, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * The high murder rate in the US has to do with the US drug policy. And absolutely nothing to do with the second amendment or the right to self defense. Next someone will say they don't have black people in Japan. μηδείς (talk) 01:14, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I'd say that the murder rate is due to both, as many murders in the US are unrelated to drugs. StuRat (talk) 05:12, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I am sorry, but without statistics, what you would say is rather dubious. Murder in NYC correlates almost entirely with drug crime; dealing and robbery.  Where statistics are known, the vast majority of murders are commited with unregistered guns  and the crime rate with registered gun users is very low.  It defies reason and evidence to claim that the right of law abiding citizens to defend themselves is a significant cause of gun murders. μηδείς (talk) 02:25, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Where do you think unregistered guns come from ? They are registered guns which were stolen, sold illegally, etc.  Also, you stats are rather questionable.  I think you made a mistake on your 1st link, since it's just a map, showing something by race (homicides by race of victim ?).  There's no correlation with drug shown on the map.  Your 2nd link states that, in Canada, "where registration status was known, 7 in 10 firearms used to commit homicide were reported by police to be unregistered".  Leaving aside the issue of those cases where the status is unknown, it's entirely possible that 70% of the guns in Canada are unregistered, meaning there's no difference in the tendency of registered or unregistered guns to be used in crimes.  As for your third link, that's entirely useless.  The percentage of Florida gun owners who've had their guns revoked would only be those who committed a crime with the gun, were caught, and subsequently had the permit pulled.  You can't infer anything from this.  Your 2nd link did have a relevant chart, though (number 4), showing that the non-gun homicide rate in the US is similar to other nations, but that the gun crime rate is up to 34 times higher.  StuRat (talk) 19:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

 * The U.S. has 11x the murder rate of Japan because we have 13x the incarceration rate of Japan. We have 3x the murder rate of Canada because we have 5x the incarceration rate of Canada.  See List of countries by incarceration rate.  Most of the people in the jails, mind you, are not there for murder, but for non-violent offenses; but the purpose of prisons is to recruit people, in fear for their life, to join gangs and learn criminal trades. Wnt (talk) 15:56, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I don't think anyone argues that unlimited weapons should be given to anyone who wants them (machine guns for felons ?). As to how much the right to bear arms should be limited, that varies from state to state and from election to election. StuRat (talk) 03:01, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I happen to agree (more or less) with Medeis, that there is a natural human right of self-defense. But I don't thereby conclude that empirical outcomes are not worth considering.  Not everyone has the same theory of rights. —Tamfang (talk) 23:00, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * On the other hand, someone was in a nearby store carrying a gun at the time of the Gaby Giffords shooting, and later said that if they had been slightly less restrained, they would have started shooting at a time when the original shooter had already been caught and was being restrained by members of the public... AnonMoos (talk) 14:08, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Her self-restraint is an argument for allowing law-abiding adults to carry weapons. Either that or the fact mass transit should be banned because if I had been slightly less retrained on the subway platform today I could probably have pushed half a dozen small people to their deaths.  There's no getting away from the need for people to be responsible for their actions. μηδείς (talk) 01:19, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Please, let us provide references for the original poster specifically connected to their question, and discuss other potential questions by starting new sections (US gun politics is one of the most boring recurrent discussions online). Fifelfoo (talk) 03:21, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I wonder why people outside the US care about this topic so much and also about the death penalty. OK, both are probably bad ideas under many aspects, but there are worse things out there. OsmanRF34 (talk) 12:38, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I can think of two reasons for this of the top of my head. The first reason is that these are topics that are much discussed in US society, and as such, people outside the US, who are interested in society/politics etc. get a lot of information on it, and can discuss it.
 * The second reason, which perhaps feeds of the first one, is the comparison between what the US is and what the US perceives itself to be. The US describes itself as a peaceful, prosperous, just and democratic society. Keep in mind that the legal, political and philosophical traditions of Europe and America are very different. However, for a European, it seems like a contradiction that a modern, democratic state should be executing its own citizens, and that in a country with the rule of law, citizens should see the need to heavily arm themselves. And, of course, the different histories of the US and Europe will mean that these differences in opinion can lead to hours and hours of fun debates. ;-) V85 (talk) 15:34, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Thank you all for your answers and links. Of course, this is a touchy subject, and I don't think it's productive to rehash the basic arguments here.  Just a few clarifications:  I'm looking for a very specific scenario here, which I don't quite see.  Many of the links are to incidents where robberies or other crimes were stopped by armed civilians; I know that happens, and that's not what I'm looking for.  I want to know if the specific scenario of an actual spree shooting (where a criminal is in fact trying to kill people with a gun) is stopped by a civilian (not an off-duty police officer or other person with a professional reason to carry a weapon), presumably by shooting them. This is the scenario that Suzanna Hupp described in hearings before Congress about expanding concealed-carry rights.  I don't know of it every actually happening, though, and I wanted to find out if I missed it. gnfnrf (talk) 01:56, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

 * This is incredibly easy to find on google. I started typing in "citizen stops shooting" and before I had gotten to the 's' in 'stops' google suggested the search term "armed citizen stops shooting spree" which generated the following results: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=armed+citizen+stops+shooting+spree&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 μηδείς (talk) 17:20, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's certainly a useful search (I admit, it's a combination of terms I just didn't think to try) but the results have a lot of uncited forum posts and discussions like this one, and theoretical speculation. But, I'll go through the forums and see what I can find for actual answers.
 * Appalachian School of Law shooting - Close by some accounts, a little farther by others, but not actually concealed carry.
 * Pearl High School shooting - Another very close match, but still not actually concealed carry. Intriguingly, in neither of these two cases did the defending civilian actually shoot.
 * Tyler courthouse shooting - Also very close, but here, the intervening civilian didn't succeed in stopping the shooting, though his intervention may have helped police (at the cost of his own life).
 * Shooting by/of Ernesto Fuentes Villagomez in May 2008 in Winnemucca, Nevada. I'm having difficulty finding a complete news article about this event, only short excepts posted to blogs.  It may fit the criteria very well, but it's hard to tell when the only sources I can find are advocacy-based.
 * A spree stabbing in Salt Lake City stopped by an armed citizen who fired no shots. The perpetrator wounded several people but didn't kill anyone.
 * And a bunch of general crime stories, repeats, and stories with too few details for me to track anything down. The Winnemucca case looks very promising, but I just couldn't find a (in Wikipedia terms) reliable source for it.  However, others may have better luck or better sources (I mainly tried Google News in the months following the event, using the perp's name.)  Other than that, this search doesn't actually provide anything (that I saw) that directly fits the scenario I'm wondering about.  Was there a specific incident you saw in that search that I missed, Medeis? gnfnrf (talk) 02:37, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I suggest you try google news if you want more "reliable" results, you'll get stories like this one http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170728/Two-die-bloody-gun-battle-childrens-soccer-match-raising-death-toll-three.html where bystanders returned fire and killed the assailant. Using quotes around "shooting spree" also helps, although "stop" is very unspecific.  As for a list, if it doesn't exist here it probably won't exist anywhere--but starting such an article might draw contributors to do the work for you.  There is also the huge issue of what is seen and what is not seen.  Given, as I have said, I don't think the statistics are relevant one way or the other in regards to allowing people to use guns to defend themselves you'll forgive me if I don't do the drudge work myself. μηδείς (talk) 02:53, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Can't resist replying to some of the slightly more tangential comments above, sorry. One (just one) problem with assuming it's a good idea to arm citizens more heavily in order to deal with other people who run amok with a gun, is that it potentially leads to situations like the Beslan massacre. An awful lot of the local populace seemed to be exercising their constitutional rights to bear arms (who'd a thunk it, I thought the parts of the former USSR mostly weren't free countries even now?), but this didn't stop the massacre, and in fact mostly resulted in the citizens hindering the police by taking potshots at the hostage-takers with their own rifles. (Thereby possibly actually provoking the massacre that ultimately took place.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:51, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Single payer savings in the U.S. post-TB coverup
Given is single payer savings over Obamacare going to be closer to $1.3 or 1.5 trillion per year? <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 07:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I don't see how that link relates to your question. StuRat (talk) 07:19, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * "The state of Florida has been struggling for months with what the Centers for Disease Control describe as the worst tuberculosis outbreak in the United States in twenty years.... the coverup began as early as last February, when Duval County Health Department officials felt so overwhelmed by the sudden spike in tuberculosis that they asked the [CDC] to become involved. Believing the outbreak affected only their underclass, the health officials made a conscious decision not to not tell the public, repeating a decision they had made in 2008, when the same strain had appeared in an assisted living home for people with schizophrenia. That decision now appears to have gone terribly awry, partly because the disease appears to have already spread into the general population but also because just nine days before the CDC warning was issued, Florida Governor Rick Scott had signed a bill downsizing the state’s Department of Health and closing the A.G. Holley State Hospital that had treated the most difficult tuberculosis cases for over 60 years.... as many as 3000 people may have been exposed to the strain over the past two years, mainly in Jacksonville’s homeless shelters, jails, and a mental health clinic. Only 253 of those have been found, of whom one-third have tested positive for TB exposure.... the strain has not only spread beyond the underclass but has started appearing in other parts of the state, including Miami.... The drugs to treat a simple case of TB cost only $500, but if a patient does not take them regularly and the strain becomes drug-resistant, the cost skyrockets to $275,000. And, as the Post notes, 'the itinerant homeless, drug-addicted, mentally ill people at the core of the Jacksonville TB cluster are almost impossible to keep on their medications.'"
 * So, if Obamacare costs $1 trillion/year over pre-Obamacare baseline, and single payer would have saved $350 trillion, if that kind of behavior is typical of government response to virulent disease, then presumably single payer would actually save somewhat more, would it not? <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 18:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Your assumption that this is the typical result is faulty. The combination of a Republican government there and being in the dark on the situation and bad timing is unlikely to recur.  (Even the Republicans wouldn't have evicted TB-ridden patients from hospitals if they realized this would cause a spread of TB and garner bad PR for themselves.) StuRat (talk) 18:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I think you underestimate their ability to make sacrifices for their faith... I should note also that there is some evidence (though also contradictory results) favoring the idea that simple malnutrition, especially lack of meat, makes people more vulnerable to the disease; for thousands of years major and minor medical works have been recommending to give those with tuberculosis meat, often organ meat, often from carnivores (the sort of stuff one could catch gout just thinking about).  I don't think the question has received satisfactory treatment in the recent literature that is indexed by PubMed, but I wonder if some basic food assistance for these people could limit the spread of the disease - and that too isn't going to happen. Wnt (talk) 00:42, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Perhaps there's a Republican solution to the TB problem in Florida more in line with their values. They could make a law that says having no permanent address and TB makes you a danger to public safety and subject to confinement, for the public good.  The effect would be to criminalize having TB, if you are poor, allowing them to arrest all these people and imprison them until they die.   StuRat (talk) 05:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Contradictions under international law
I was thinking one day about how many laws can come into conflict, especially with complex things like contract law, where (in my understanding) different laws and principles can affect the case, without any clear right or wrong. In the laws of individual nations, we have the government to clamp down with a binding legal process, including, typically, some single final court of appeal. Because there is no such power in international law, enforcing its decisions, it seems somewhat silly to talk of international law at all (note I'm not soapboxing, just making a point). Are there any cases that have come under international law where it was quite clear that different laws or legal principles had come into conflict, and no one could do anything much because of the lack of a strict process? What was the outcome? IBE (talk) 14:44, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there are cases that can be interpreted that way, but the term international law basically implies a treaty that has been signed by a large number of nations. Since all of those nations have signed the same treaty, they are all bound by the same set of rules. Looie496 (talk) 15:44, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, but they sign a lot of different treaties, and one government can then be bound by the treaties signed by several of its predecessors, including from parties with a very different outlook. They can revoke the local laws of the predecessors, so they could either just revoke the treaties as well, or sign different ones. Then the problem of jurisdiction will come up - who has the right to overrule decisions to prevent conflict among treaties/ statutes, and who has the power? Or, more exactly, what happens in practice when people argue out these things? IBE (talk) 16:19, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * (ec)Typically (although not always) the consequence of a state signing a treaty is that it passes legislation in its own parliament which enacts, in a framework consistent with that country's constitution and existing law, the core principles of that treaty. So for individuals or corporations dealing with one another over an international matter, the dispute is still settled in the court of one or other of the relevant nation states. Resort to a supra-national adjudication is available only in some circumstances, as described by those treaties. For contracts, it's very common for a contract to stipulate the prevailing jurisdiction (which might not be immediately relevant); so for example a German subcontractor of a Spanish building company building a Qatari funded skyscraper in Kuwait might all be bound by a contract under English law which mandates that disputes be settled in a commercial court in England - there just isn't a workable framework where, if contracts were written for German and Spanish and Qatari law, the conflicts between them could be resolved. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 16:31, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Say, for example, you fly from Mexico to Spain, and your bag gets lost. The prevailing treaty is the Montreal Convention, which establishes and limits liability and describes how claims against airlines are to be conducted, and in what jurisdiction. But you, and the airline, are not parties to the Convention - it's an Inter-National treaty (one nation to another). Both Mexico and Spain will have passed laws in their own legislatures which implement their obligations under that treaty, so you'd pursue your case in whichever the treaty (and thus the laws) specified. There isn't a need for an over-arching adjudicator, as both laws are broadly the same. If one country failed to pass a law, or if it then failed to enforce that law, then it would be in breach of the treaty. That's a rare event, but if it happens there's not much you as an individual can do about it. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 16:46, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * The United Nations Convention Against Torture has been ratified by a lot of countries who have continued to torture, e.g. Syria, Pakistan, but nobody can investigate or prosecute. There's the Kosovo War and 2003 invasion of Iraq: aggression is customarily against international law (see War of aggression, Crime against peace), but both of these had various justifications including defending the rule of the UN, self-defence (Iraq), enforcing the Genocide Convention (Kosovo). The International Court of Justice advisory opinion on the Legality of the Threat or Use of Nuclear Weapons or Nicaragua v. United States might also be relevant. --Colapeninsula (talk) 16:44, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

See Conflict of laws (a.k.a. private international law). — Kpalion(talk) 07:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * When the UK fought a war with Argenina, the US had treaty obligations to aid both sides. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 08:00, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

theory of Aristotle climate
According to the theory of Aristotle climate Is something can tell me what he say, where poeple live, where were the monster...

I think
 * 1) Warm areas (Zona torridaTorrid Zone) - from the Tropic of Cancer (23.5°) in the north, through the equator (0°), to the Tropic of Capricorn (23.5°)
 * 2) Cold regions - where?
 * 3) Temperate zone
 * 4) * In the northern - human live?
 * 5) * In the southern  people inversive feet (Astaiodes)?--<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 16:55, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * There is some information about Aristotle and his theories in Geographical zone. Is this what you're looking for? - Ka renjc 18:44, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 * That's actually a pretty cute example of the dangers of extrapolation. Looking at the map of Africa, at the vast expanse of the Sahara, who would have pictured that the equator would be survivable? Wnt (talk) 00:27, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I suspect that if the Earth wasn't tilted, it would be hotter at the equator, perhaps uninhabitable where it's in the center of a continent, like Africa. StuRat (talk) 05:01, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

 * IIRC, Herodotus (who was earlier than Aristotle) seemed quite comfortable passing on a story of Phoenician sailors completing a circuit of Africa without claiming that the bulk of it was uninhabitable; and there were reports that Carthaginian sailors got past the arid parts of the Western African coast and reached more equatorial bits of Africa.
 * Early travellers' accounts make for interesting reading but it's really tempting to read too much into them, to take some details literally and others metaphorically. Of course St Brendan saw an iceberg! bobrayner (talk) 10:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

 * But, of course, it's much cooler on the coasts, due to the moderating effect of oceans on temperature. If Eurasia was much farther south, so that it's longest East-West stretch straddled the equator, it might also be uninhabitable there. StuRat (talk) 18:42, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Interestingly, before the Greeks realized the earth was spherical, they knew it was not flat, and believed it to be like a great mountain, with position on the slope determining temperature. The Greek word climate is cognate with the Latin inclination and the English lean. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=climate μηδείς (talk) 17:08, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

U.S. involvement in Syria
Is the U.S. breaking any international laws with its involvement in the Syrian uprising? --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 23:30, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. The U.S. involvement is actually pretty minimal -- it consists mainly of talking. Looie496 (talk) 00:25, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

 * It's almost surely sending arms as well, if not doing other things. I wouldn't be surprised if the US was also clandestinely doing other stuff. As for whether this violates international law, I don't know. If it is a violation of international law, it's one that the US and many other countries violate routinely. --Mr.98 (talk) 02:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That source says that American agents are helping other countries decide which rebels to arm. Sitting in a border camp in Turkey and telling some Turkish officers "Don't arm the Al Qaeda ones, mmmkay" is different from American agents actually handing arms to rebels. Such distinctions are important if we're talking about "law". bobrayner (talk) 10:26, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * A true point. But providing logistical support is still important, and I'd be surprised if the US wasn't doing more than that. They have at this point real motivations in getting Assad out of there and they've been selling this insurgency pretty hard, so the idea that they'd let that go its natural course seems unlikely to me. --Mr.98 (talk) 11:27, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * (Clandestine steps are an option, of course, but secret intervention has the potential to go very wrong and result in nasty headlines. Why should the current American government take that risk, when there are other allied governments who have openly discussed intervention, who have the capability, and who have much greater immunity to bad headlines?) bobrayner (talk) 10:33, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

 * ( Why are you whispering? ) Because the Americans take that risk more often than not. --Mr.98 (talk) 11:25, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Doesn't it have an embargo against Syria? That's an act of war under international law, though I suppose it's not a breach of it. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 08:03, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Embargoes are not typically considered acts of war. You may be thinking of a blockade which no country is attempting against Syria. The U.S. has similar embargoes against Cuba, North Korea, and Iran. D Monack (talk) 23:30, 13 July 2012 (UTC)


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Celestia/Wish List

This page is obsolete. See the page Bugs and Feature Requests.

Wish List items are very unlikely to be implemented if they aren't on the | SourceForge list. If you are interested in any of the features listed below, you must take the responsibility of making sure they're requested on | SourceForge.

 * 1) Make a game based on Celestia... Mostly Harmless project stalled...            Star Control! The next version of Star Control!
 * 2) Someone make an editor that allows us to tweak Celestia more easily and make worlds of our own. I'm a real lazy pig and all the .ssc generators I've checked out so far don't do a real good job.
 * 3) I have some worldwind cache-packs (folder with 50/200/800/3200/12800 little pictures). renaming to celestia-style should be no problem. but celestia starts 2x1x512pixel - and worldwind begins 10x5x512.
 * 4) Merging the goodness of World Wind, Celestia and Google Earth together!
 * 5) Make a recopilation of high resolution add-ons in a single pack, with most realistic data from official databases periodically updated. An auto-update could be great in order to manage the downloads of a large pack. Or it could be shared in a P2P network. Make a real 3D universe is now possible!
 * 6) Why not space agencies improve more this great project?
 * 7) Let Celestia include Google Earth and automatically run it when it detects the user wanting to zoom in on Earth (maybe bad idea)...
 * 8) Better promotion of this great and spectacular program (better promotion = biggest community = more developers = faster development of Celestia)
 * 9) cooperation with space agencies and another scientific institutions (universities, observatories etc.)
 * 10) Better main website (more screen shots, promo video, news about future versions, info from this with pictures + +, info about Celestia Wiki) and maybe new address
 * 11) Maybe (in far future) some spectacular computer benchmark based on Celestia (if Celestia engine needs more developers it's a good "bait" ;)
 * 12) Basic version with better textures and models (and version for "low end" computers)
 * 13) More configurations options in user interface
 * 14) HDR Rendering as soon as possible and more graphic options for modern GPUs

 * 1) I believe that an educational web-based interactive game/simulator would really be beneficial.  I am a software engineer who would be interested in such a collaboration. prosetto@msn.com

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Saline, Texas

Saline is an unincorporated community in Menard County, Texas, United States. According to the Handbook of Texas, the community had an estimated population of 59 in 2000.

title: Saline, Texas


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quail pipe

Noun

 * 1) A device used to imitate the sound of quails.

Translations

 * Bulgarian:
 * Finnish: viiriäispilli

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List of national parks of South Korea

The national parks of South Korea are preserved parcels of public land on which most forms of development are prohibited. They cover a total of 6.6% of the country's area, and are typically located in mountainous or coastal regions. The country's largest mountain park is Jirisan National Park in the southwest; this was also the first national park to be designated in 1967. The largest marine park is Dadohaehaesang, with an area of more than 2200 km2, but almost all of this is water. The smallest park is Wolchulsan, with an area of only 56.1 km2.

As of 2023, there are 23 national parks in South Korea; the parks, with the exception of Hallasan National Park, are managed by the Korea National Park Service, established in 1987. The Authority operates its own police force, and since 1998 has been under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Environment. It was previously under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Construction.

History
Early on, admission to national parks in South Korea was free. In 1974, most of South Korea's national parks cancelled the free admission policy. Currently only Gyeongju National Park is free. In 1993, the ticket revenue of the Korean National Park accounted for 65% of the park's total revenue. With the increase in the number of tourists year by year, the Korean government has restricted the number of tourists and activities in order to effectively protect the natural environment of the park, and controlled the number of tourists through an appointment system. Picnic and camping for tourists can only be carried out in designated areas, and night climbing is strictly prohibited. In addition, South Korea has imposed a natural rest program on some areas of high conservation value in national parks to avoid man-made damage.

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Macrozamia machinii

Macrozamia machinii is a species of cycad in the family Zamiaceae endemic to Queensland, Australia. It is found near Inglewood in the Darling Downs area.

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XML - Managing Data Exchange/CSS/Answers

Exercise 1
Here is one way you could do it:

To be able to hook up your external style sheet with your XML document you have to write: at the start of the document, under

Like this:   <!DOCTYPE inventory[ <!ELEMENT inventory (book+)> <!ELEMENT book (isbn,title,titel?,author+,publisher,price)> <!ELEMENT isbn (#PCDATA)> <!ELEMENT title (#PCDATA)> <!ELEMENT author (#PCDATA)> <!ELEMENT publisher (#PCDATA)> <!ELEMENT price (#PCDATA)> <!ENTITY gyl "Gylden, Oslo Norway"> <!ENTITY sybex "SYBEX Inc. San Francisco California"> ]>

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Mouse Trap Hotel

Mouse Trap Hotel is an action video game for the Nintendo Game Boy. It is loosely based on Milton Bradley's board game Mouse Trap.

Summary
The object of this game is to take Maxie the Mouse as he tries to visit his girlfriend. Unfortunately, she is located in a penthouse while Maxie dwells in the basement. By finding the exit in each level, he draws closer to being with his girlfriend. Side-scrolling segments with some vertical elements are an expected part of the game. Getting hit by mousetraps and enemies causes Maxie to lose his energy. As expected with most platform games, getting hit too frequently causes the player to lose a life. Maxie's tail comes in handy when it comes to destroying enemies.

Each floor has its own obstacles; which range from mattress springs in the bedroom to dancing legs at the ballroom. Players must ride an elevator to each new floor where dangers constantly lurk about in places like the kitchen and the gymnasium.

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Talk:Heil og sæl

User <IP_ADDRESS>
Hi,

As your first act in this article, you attempted to remove every reference to 20th-century nationalism,[1 ] both in the introduction and in the main text.

You have also replaced information from the renowned Bjorvand & Lindemand etymological dictionary with stuff that you have found on private/home-made websites.[2 ]

Furthermore, you claim that the greeting is still in use today, 'on the west coast of Norway and in the North of Norway'.[3 ] I have never heard any normal person, neither young nor old, greet others with this phrase. A reliable source is absolutely necessary before readding this claim to the article. No More 18 (talk) 16:17, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Hi

 * In the last months I have added information regarding the Wikipedia Hel og sæl page. This incudes references to the origins and meanings of the words.

 * I took away references to Nazism that were included several times within the same article, for example: It was also used by nationalists in the 20th century. This is redundant as it is already in the section- 20th-century use.

 * I also deleted the sentence: A both etymological and political cognate was Germany's “Heil Hitler”. Hel og sæl is an old Norse and Norwegian greeting/saying and the attempt to use it as a Nazi political tool did not work.

 * This greeting is still used in certain areas of Norway today. Just because you have not heard it does not make this any less true. The reason I came to Wikipedia Hel og sæl page in the first place is because of my work with authors and people engaged on Norwegian related projects around the country, who do in fact use this greeting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 10:05, 13 April 2015

 * An introduction/lead is always redundant, as it presents the most central parts of the main text.

 * 'Heil og sæl' was an established and (also today) well-known custom of the ruling nationalist party, despite a majority of civilians rejecting it.

 * It needs a reliable source that this greeting 'is still used in certain areas of Norway today'. Unless you are able to provide a reference within reasonable time, the claim will be removed. If you also keep replacing reliable sources with poorer ones, removing information regarding nationalism or readding the claim without a reference, you will be reported for disruptive behaviour. No More 18 (talk) 10:41, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * In which "certain areas" is it being used? I've lived in Norway all my life, never once have I heard "heil og sæl" being used in vernacular speech or writing anywhere. - Soulkeeper (talk) 10:22, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Dear White Hart of Wikipedia

As you will see by checking this page history, I have brought both interesting and historical information to the page.

It is very clear that you are very interested in building as many Nazi links to this old Norse greeting as possible, including repetition to accentuate your point.

If you report me for my changes, please make sure to include your earlier abusive comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk • contribs) 21:12, 13 April 2015

"lit"
Hello, I noticed that the article is the Lithuanian code weather is and "lit", but is "LT". Maybe you fix as you wanted to be?--Lukaslt13  --Talk  17:30, 24 January 2016 (UTC)Lukaslt13
 * The "lit." in the article is not supposed to be the language code for Lithuanian; it's an abbreviation of "literally". CabbagePotato (talk) 19:16, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

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Alien Oceans

Alien Oceans: The Search for Life in the Depths of Space is a 2020 non-fiction book by American writer and scientist Kevin Peter Hand. The book explores the possibility of life on planets and moons with subsurface oceans, and argues that the common understanding of the habitable zone should include natural satellites around gas giants. Satellites discussed in the book include Europa, Enceladus, and Triton.

Hand wrote the book to make the scientific information it discusses readily accessible to the public.

title: Alien Oceans