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Talk:Statistics of the COVID-19 pandemic in Australia

Should Doutta Galla Yarraville Village aged care facility and Florence Aged Care Facility be included in the clusters? (17th August 2020)
Should these aged care homes be included in clusters?

https://maribyrnonghobsonsbay.starweekly.com.au/news/seven-coronavirus-deaths-linked-with-yarraville-aged-care-home/

https://maribyrnonghobsonsbay.starweekly.com.au/news/altona-north-nursing-home-linked-to-24-covid-19-cases/ HelperAnt (talk) 02:20, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

 * I think it's a good idea to include them. At the moment, I'm just including the ones on the DHHS report, however the DHHS is only reporting on the bigger aged care outbreaks at the moment. As the DHHS isn't reporting on the smaller scale outbreaks, we're having ones such as Japara Goonawarran creep up for the first time with 87 cases and the Cumberland Manor cluster appeared today with 93 cases. It is a big hassle to search through media reports to find other clusters, but I think notable ones like these should be included. Keroks (talk) 10:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Are we aware of any additional outbreaks? I've also found this one Japara Elanora in Brighton with 33 cases. There are a few other Japara homes with outbreaks. I'm concerned if these numbers are being bundled with other clusters already, or that they are just too low amount that the DHHS isn't reporting them yet. And also getting updates numbers from these homes may take a lot of media searching. Keroks (talk) 13:09, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

State and Territory new cases timeline graph needs more detail
Squishing the whole history into one timeline means you get a general overview, but makes it difficult to see what's going on right now. Is there an easy way to add a radio button for the graph "Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases in Australian States and Territories." so that people can show either the complete graph for a State or just restrict the graph to just the last 28 days? (<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 23:26, 27 September 2020 (UTC))

And, ideally community transmission should be split out from hotel quarantine cases. (<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 23:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC))

 * I think the page is designed to give a holistic view of the entire pandemic, not necessarily to track the specifics regarding the roadmap set out by the Victorian government. Maranello10 (talk) 13:04, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

 * Note we already have Warning: Template include size is too large. see Template limits, really we have to be reducing something. This could be done by changing the graphs. We could plot the previous months onto an image and include the image, and then only have the latest 28 days (OR MONTH) created using the templates. So we can probably kill two cats with this one fix. I changed reflist to the Wiki markup so some of the references now reappear. We will need user:Keroks to like this, as they are doing most of the editing lately. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:53, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we could drop many of the infographic references and just include a link to the index of them. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm good with anything as long as I can keep doing the daily updates. I've replaced all the infographic references as links instead so hopefully they will lessen the load? Keroks (talk) 12:23, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That seems to have overcome the problem. It is not just a load problem, but that the final stuff on the page was not rendering at all. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:47, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Do the numbers not add up?
Just wondering if someone knows why the total cases - deaths - active cases doesn't equal recoveries. Also on Worldometer (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/) their active cases graph still has 1853 as of the 5th of Feb which is much different to the 52 which this wiki has. 28,848-909-26083=1856 not 52.

From the government at a glance website https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers#at-a-glance 28,848-909-52 =27,887 so shouldn't the recoveries be 27,887? Or maybe as the 52 is an estimate so is the recoveries but it seems so different..

Hope this makes sense. Maybe I am missing something here.

 * Our numbers are based on what the Australian Government and State Governments have been reporting. NSW is the big outlier here as their numbers do not add up to cases - deaths - recoveries = active. Basically because they stopped reporting recoveries last year and even when they did they were always under-reporting them. For their active cases, they only report "active" as local cases that were acquired in the last four weeks. This pretty much means that all cases in hotel quarantine aren't counted as "Active" for NSW, which is different to the rest of the states. Keroks (talk) 12:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Deaths in Queensland
I've added the following to Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in Australia. Not sure how, or if, it fits on this statistics page, as the first person was, I presume, diagnosed in PNG, and the second was from the Philippines, but per the source is the 7th COVID death recorded in Qld, and the first in about a year.

 * "On 5 April, Malcolm Kela Smith, a British born Papua New Guinean, businessman, aviator and politician died aged 77-years from complications of COVID-19 while under treatment in the intensive care unit at Redcliffe Hospital in Queensland, Australia. "

 * "On 12 April an 80-year-old Australian man, who had been living in the Philippines but returned to Australia, died from COVID-19 in Queensland. It was the seventh death of a person who had been diagnosed with the virus in the state, and first COVID-19 death recorded in the state since an 83-year-old cruise ship passenger died in April 2020 in a Sydney hospital. "

Just FYI, if useful here. 220  of  ßorg 03:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Active cases
I looked at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/ and https://covidlive.com.au/report/daily-active-cases/aus and noticed those two sites had slightly different data for active cases so I looked at https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics and found it said,

"current number of active cases, hospitalized cases and tests conducted in the last 24 hours. Note: the number of active cases is an estimate as states and territories differ in how they collect this data total number of cases, deaths and tests. Note: States and territories provide these figures daily. Due to the dynamic nature of case data, state and territory health departments may revise their daily numbers, where historic cases may be added or previously reported cases excluded after further investigation."

So I am guessing that might explain some of the variation. So I was thinking it's best to match to covidlive.com.au as that is an Australian site and seems more up to date unless there is somewhere from a government website that lists their figures going back. The older figures on Wikipedia I think will also need to be updated because of the historical revisions. HelperAnt (talk) 15:42, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Worldometers is not a primary source, it is sourcing off governments worldwide so I wouldn't worry too much about exactly matching up with them, nor are they a referenceable source. Up until a few months ago they were deducting NSW recoveries to get their active cases total, which was clearly incorrect as NSW stopped automatically classifying all non active cases as recoveries early in the pandemic. We started using the federal government numbers around mid July last year when it started being reported daily (hence the deviation in the chart). If someone could find a primary source that goes back further to keep it consistent it would be good, however, the difference doesn't affect the narrative shown in the trend all that much. Maranello10 (talk) 06:45, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Pie chart glitch
The pie chart indicating COVID-19 cases by source of infection (in the section of the same name) reports that authorities are still investigating 0.000059% of cases. That's one case in 1,700,000. To the best of my knowledge, Australia has not had over one and a half million COVID cases. Something not right there... Grutness... wha?   11:09, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Statistics Page Clean Up
Pinging

Striking a balance between keeping charts on the page and encouraging more regular updating from editors by making the task of updating less laborious, I propose removing:
 * - Cases by source of infection

 * - Cases and deaths by age group and gender

They both have quite a lot of numbers to update when the information is replicated elsewhere. They can be added in at the end of the pandemic / when the government stops reporting daily numbers to give an overview.

 * - COVID-19 pandemic data/Australia medical cases: The table showing the cumulative number of cases by state on each day.

 * - Cumulative confirmed deaths by state, territory & nationally: The table showing the cumulative number of deaths by state on each day.

The information is replicated by their corresponding charts and I doubt readers need to know the exact number on a particular day.

It will leave the daily snapshot table which is quite a good summary and is presented also on the main page, as well as the cumulative cases chart, the daily cases charts (which I think are quite important to keep as it shows the waves), active cases chart and deaths chart. Maranello10 (talk) 15:46, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

 * I know what charts you mean with the first 2, you might need to provide links to the charts/plots/template involved with the others, to be certain. I have no problem with those 2 going, especially if they're out of date by much. I found it rather tedious and difficult to try to update charts with several weeks of data missing.
 * Note also the "Daily active COVID-19 cases in Australia" chart/graph (Template:COVID-19 pandemic in Australia/Active Cases) used on this page is missing about a month of data from July – August, I did a bit of a bodgy 'update', skipping the missing dates/data and it actually looks like it's fairly close to what it should look like. At least the line is going in the right direction, UP! 220  of  ßorg 17:00, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

 * I agree with the proposed changes. Thanks Joplin201017 (talk) 02:25, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

 * I will update the active cases using the revision history of Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Australia cases by state/territory. Active cases were updated on most days so it will add some structure to the line. The daily historical active cases are available in the federal government's daily infographic . Maranello10 (talk) 03:12, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not getting back to you. But, I just noticed that Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Australia deaths, which I've been updating since 25 July (2 months!), doesn't seem to be used on ANY page! I think it was on the COVID-19 pandemic in Australia page. Was it removed for some reason? 220  of  ßorg 15:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I suggested its removal as part of the clean up in late August (see the first message at the start of this section). No one seems to have an opinion to the contrary so I removed it, I was not steadfast that it had to be removed in particular or anything... I was just trying to reduce workload on the page to encourage updates. I have restored it. :) Maranello10 (talk) 05:15, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Well I wasn't actually requesting that it be returned, mostly peeved that I was updating an unused template. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ • But I do think it presents data not available elsewhere. There was another death in Canberra yesterday/overnight, (though a 90-year-old having "end of life care", so arguable its a death from COVID-19). Without this chart it may not be noticed, and it is very likely not on the ACT COVID page yet. • We do need to get more editors involved to update the many charts/plots not updated since about 25 August. Catching up after a month isn't easy and I probably don't have the time to do it. I've been updating: • NSWs' COVID page on my own, • the main Australian COVID page when needed, • Victorias' COVID page often too and the body text, at least, there is still way out-of-date, • the COVID Protests page,  •Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Australia cases by state/territory, etc. so I'm pretty busy. 220  of  ßorg 04:02, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes I understand that would have been frustrating... and yes the table does have value, it was more a balancing workload thing for editors. I will try to update some of the charts you outlined when I am not busy but as I mentioned, I am "concluding" the cluster page once Australia completely abandons COVID-zero at 80% vaccination as it is the natural point, and probably won't be watching the pages that much after that, as I have been around in some capacity since the start of the pandemic. The problem with someone like yourself doing the majority of the updating and taking ownership, is it creates moral hazard for other editors who then don't periodically feel the need to update things themselves. Maranello10 (talk) 04:02, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reply. "moral hazard" is an interesting way of putting it. I'll watch myself on the 'ownership'. I already get peeved when editors don't bother to update access dates, for example, when sources are updated or don't use edit summaries. • I am only using a 10-inch tablet computer to edit, which has its limitations, and slows my editing down. Pandemic related events have been many, and it's been getting 'busier', which doesn't help. Lockdown here just extended by a week, for instance. • Adding to my 'frustration', my tablet has a nasty habit of crashing just when I save or preview an edit, so I sometimes have to re-do an hour's(?) editing! ••• I've even started calling it Sudden Unexplained Mid-Edit Tablet Crash Syndrome (SUMETACS)! • I was just looking at Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Australia medical cases and it looks like that's not used anywhere either. (Not a particularly accurate page name, IMHO.) I have put a list of pages & templates needing updates in another section below. Regards, 220  of  ßorg 05:09, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Your reply was amusing. Damn that would suck with the tablet; hardware can make a huge difference when it comes to productivity. Best of luck with the SUMETACS :) Maranello10 (talk) 08:18, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've had many bl@@dy SUMETACS since then. I've developed a 'work around', but I've still had to redo a half hours (more?) editing several times. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ • It's possibly my 'fault' for having too many browser tabs open at the same time, possibly more common on larger pages? • I also rarely turn the tablet off. 220  of  ßorg 10:56, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks
I've just created a UserID here on Wikipedia only to enable me to post this message. First up, many thanks to each of you who take the time to maintain this critical page here on Wikipedia. About six of my friends and I, along with a number of our respective family members, really miss the table that contained the detailed statistics of Cases and Deaths by both Age Group and Gender. Although this data is indeed available elsewhere, it was only available in such a well presented and succinct form, right here on this page. Any chance of bringing this excellent table back - even if its data is updated only once a week instead? --WPsuperfan (talk) 19:45, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

 * I restored a couple of the charts. It is good to hear the page is useful, you are welcome to update the chart in question yourself if no one has done it in a while, by definition there is no barrier to entry on Wikipedia. Maranello10 (talk) 02:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the fantastic support guys! (I've already received a number of messages from friends and family who are thrilled to see that this segment of the page has now been restored.)  I'd love to help, but I'm not certain how the statistics for the Cases and Deaths by Age Group and Gender table are specifically procured. Are the statistics drawn exclusively from the Australian Government's NNDSS published data sets, and if so, when is the best time each day to perform a scrape of this data?  I'm keen to understand the current process used to keep this table valid, as I'd really love to help you guys keep this amazing page as tight and up to date as possible. --WPsuperfan (talk) 01:55, 3 September 2021 (UTC). Just wrapped up a complete update for the Cases and Deaths by Age Group and Gender Table, along with each of its associated Graphs.  Supplemented the heading for this section with the date of last update, in order to help readers identify the validity of this data.  Suggest maybe this might be a good idea for each of the other sections too?  --WPsuperfan (talk) 20:13, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

 * I was about to write to you about the NNDSS data but it looks like you worked it out, thanks for contributing. Yes, it is probably a good idea to have a last updated date in the description in relation to the charts, just keep the date formatting consistent (4 September 2021 rather than the 4th of September, 2021 for example). When I get some time I will also look into modifying the charts so a last updated date can be attached to the bottom of some of them in an elegant way. Maranello10 (talk) 01:23, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest making any "Last updated" or similar, a manual operation too, not automatic. It seems to be a good idea, but I think not. It might not be changed with every update, or get forgotten, but I disabled something similar on a template as ANY edit to the template made it look like it had been 'updated', when it hadn't. 220  of  ßorg 15:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Updating required
A lot of the plot/graph templates on this, and maybe other related pages are still up to month (more?) out of date. 220  of  ßorg 15:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

On a quick visual check, the following are currently out-of-date: 220  of  ßorg 04:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * COVID-19 pandemic in Australia by state/territory
 * Plot of COVID-19 cumulative cases in Australia
 * Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases in Australian States and Territories. (25 August)
 * COVID-19 deaths in Australia:
 * Show deaths by States and Territories (linear scale)
 * Show deaths by States and Territories (logarithmic scale)
 * the Deaths per day & Timeline of deaths (linear scale) plots appear to be up to date

 * Add: Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Australia medical cases but which looks like its not used anywhere. 220  of  ßorg 05:14, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

New Tables and Graphs
After just completing my very first Wikipedia page-edit right here on this page - I'm now really keen to roll up my sleeves a little more.

I'd love to contribute my time to this excellent page you guys have created a little further still, by additionally maintaining a new Table and Graph entry which specifically displays the daily number of cases, plotted against daily vaccinations, against daily hospitalisations, against daily ICU admissions, against the daily deaths.

I'm confident that the cumulative visualisation of data such as this, especially when displayed over time, would really assist in grasping the true essence of the gravity of this pandemic here in Australia. (To additionally display this data in a state by state fashion, would also clearly indicate when and why a state may have or may be heading into a run-away-train type scenario.)

I'm very keen to be the mule who hauls the data into the backend template each day, but I need a little help in setting it all up, as I am not familiar with the syntax used to create these templates here on Wikipedia.

Any thoughts or additional ideas that would help me get going on this, would be thoroughly appreciated. --WPsuperfan (talk) 20:43, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

 * I am happy to help, just create a new section on my talk page here and we can discuss what you have in mind. Maranello10 (talk) 01:36, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Going green with Covid.
Has anyone come across any peer reviewed work mentioning the benefits of green cans where symptoms are showing? <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 07:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


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Talk:Neighbours/Archive 5

Networks
OK thought I'd bring this up on the talk page rather than revert and risk turning the page into an edit war. Neighbours is moving to Eleven around 11th January, correct?

Some people have been changing the infobox to read Network Ten 1986-2010, however, my feeling is that this should stay reading "1986-" until the first episode airs on Eleven. We can't put Eleven down as a current channel yet, because it isn't until it shows the first episode. On the other hand if it reads "1986-2010" for Ten and then nothing appears underneath it makes it look as if no channel shows the programme which is not the case, the programme is between channels at the moment!

My preference is for it to keep reading "Network Ten 1986-" until the first episode airs on Eleven. Anyone else? --5 albert square (talk) 00:19, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Agreed. There's only eight days until it's broadcast on Eleven, surely we can we patient till then? - JuneGloom    Talk  00:29, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Yes I agree with that too, but it's 2011 now... :S Anemone  Projectors  00:50, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Yes but it's not airing on Eleven until the 11th January. My understanding was that we would need to wait until the first episode airs before adding a network to the infobox.  If we add Eleven to the infobox now it makes it look like it's showing the show now which it isn't. --5 albert square (talk) 01:01, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

 * It is on hiatus until then? Anemone  Projectors  01:13, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

 * It was supposed to be on it's Christmas break from Network Ten until I think today. Then Network Ten decided that the show would just go straight to Eleven on 11th January.  So at the minute it's kinda inbetween channels because it's on an extended Christmas break!--5 albert square (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Oh ok cos you were putting 1986-2010 (here) which confused me because it's 2011 now. But if it's been off air since Christmas then that's ok. Ummm well technically Ten has stopped showing it but Eleven hasn't started yet, so I reckon it's actually correct to put 2010 as an end for Network Ten now. Unless they change their mind before then, but I would say this is almost certain to happen so WP:CRYSTAL says we can put Network Eleven... You don't like this answer do you? lol Anemone  Projectors  01:39, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

 * See, that's what I meant, it's confusing! No I didn't mind the reply you gave AP, just thought it would be clearer on the main page to keep Eleven off, for now.  Anyway, I've changed the main page now :) --5 albert square (talk) 21:19, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

1982? Inaccurate Information?
Nowhere in my extensive files of Neighbours info, including interviews with Mr Reg Watson, creator, does it state that he submitted the idea to Channel Nine in 1982. The Sidney Herald Sun seems to have picked up the info from the Wikipedia article and yet that newspaper article has just been credited as the Wiki source link for the information after I questioned the original source link. I have taken my concerns to the "Actual '80s" site, which contains a great deal of Neighbours info, and the owners seem to share my concern.

http://www.80sactual.com/2011/04/neighbours-and-wikipedia-inaccurate.html

(Solidsandie (talk) 01:16, 25 April 2011 (UTC))
 * Hi Sandie

 * OK, looking back on the article, I think it was dated 15th August 2010. I looked back on the page history and the page edition for 14th August 2010 does not mention that.  I'm sorry, I've no idea where the Herald Sun gets their information from but as we didn't mention this before they published the article I'm inclined to think it wasn't from Wikipedia.  I think we got the information from them!

 * As there is a reliable source backing up this claim and they haven't got the information from us, I'd prefer to go back to the previous wording.--5 albert square (talk) 01:52, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Albert Square.

That is one newspaper report against piles of information from the likes of dedicated sites like the "Perfect Blend" and books dating back to the 1980s. Reliable? Is a newspaper ever totally infallible?

James Oram, an experienced and respected journalist, wrote in his book, "Neighbours Behind The Scenes" (1988):

 'In 1984 Ian Holmes (president and managing director of the Grundy organisation) was thinking about soaps. So was Reg Watson, head of TV Drama at the Grundy Organisation. Born and raised in Brisbane, Watson went, like so many creative Australians, to Britain because of the work limitations at home. He set up ATV's first game show, 'Hit The Limit', wrote several early episodes of 'Emergency Ward 10', then worked for several years on 'Crossroads'. Always in his mind was the idea of a serial like 'Neighbours'.

'''"I first got the idea for 'Neighbours' in England watching 'Coronation Street',' he said. 'I spent long enough in England to know that 'Neighbours' was just right for viewers over there too."  In fact Holmes and Watson (that duo has a familiar ring) were so confidant it would be a success in Britain they wanted to co-produce it with the BBC and include several English characters. "But that was scrapped when the BBC failed to get its daytime schedule together by the time we were ready to go with 'Neighbours'," said Holmes. ''

This echoes other material of the 1980s, 1990s and up to about a year ago! I suggest you read some of the on-line interviews with Mr Watson himself. Would you quote the Sun or News of the World against a show's creator? Also, where does the quote from the Channel Nine Executive Ian Johnson come from? It is not on the Neighbours site as linked, nor in the Sydney Herald article.

I think there is a little on-line mischief going on, and you should consider reverting to the facts as reported by Reg Watson. I also heartily recommend that you study the books "Neighbours Behind The Scenes" by James Oram (1988) and "Soap Box" by Hilary Kingsley (1988). As the years go on, the truth often becomes distorted, but these contain excellent Neighbours material from people who actually interviwed the creator and date from three years after Neighbours first hit the screen in Australia.

Reg Watson has been interviewed so many times on the subject of the origins of Neighbours, and never has he mentioned Channel Nine or 1982.

I'll leave it with you, Albert Square, but when I last checked this page some time ago I was impressed with its accuracy. I no longer am. I think that a little more delving into the huge amount of Neighbours material available, and a little less dependence on a solitary newspaper article would do wonders. An encyclopedia style of writing would surely be more along the lines of:

'''Whilst the Sidney Sun claimed that Reg Watson first took the idea for Neighbours to Australian TV Network Channel Nine in 1982 (Link/source), and former Channel Nine executive Ian has stated "", Reg Watson, the show's creator, has not mentioned this fact in any of his known interviews (links/sources), citing 1984 and the pitching of the serial to Channel Seven as being the starting point. '''

That is impartial, and as further reliable information becomes available, can be altered and added to.

All good wishes,

Sandie

(Solidsandie (talk) 02:15, 25 April 2011 (UTC))

 * I can't vouch for the accuracy, and I've not read all of the above, but all I can say is that the Herald Sun article is dated 19 August 2010, yet the information was not added to this article until 10 December 2010. It is not possible that the information was copied from Wikipedia. Also, if it had been copied from Wikipedia, they could have have included this: 'A former Nine executive has since said it was one of the biggest "missed opportunities" in his 24 years at the network. "You always remember the ones you let slip through your fingers," he says.' – Anemone Projectors – 09:25, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Maybe it should be removed - it is the sole source for the claim. Thankyou for the advice too - Luckily I have the books you are referring to and many others. However just because it was never mentioned before doesn't mean it is is 100% false.. - So I'd suggest the fansites actual 80's/Perfectblend use their contacts to prove that it was never pitched to Nine. (Imagine if it might have been true?) It is a shame Actual 80's would not use wikipedia for a source, they obviously haven't read many of the well sourced character articles. Also Sandie, because one thing is out of place, you think the article as a whole is wrong? Really? Rain the 1  BAM 13:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Just because Reg Watson hasn't mentioned it, does not mean the information is not true. I added the Herald Sun article entitled "Slippery Soap", within which the information about the Nine Network was written. I purchased the article (along with many other Neighbours clippings) last year, and added the info. I have not made anything up, the quote from the Nine exec is exactly what was in the article (though don't ask me to find it, because I'm having trouble remembering what I did yesterday, let alone finding clippings I stored away months ago). Also, please remember verifiability, not truth. - JuneGloom    Talk  15:57, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, Anemone is right. The new Herald Sun article, which 5asq added, was published way before I added the info and did not come from here. In fact, I'm pretty sure I haven't read that article before or I would have added the info at the time it was published. - JuneGloom    Talk  16:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * In that case it should stay. Mentioned more than once, there has to be something truthful in it. Besides Sandie I don't think persuading another website to adress Wikipedia as completely unreliable - was in the best interests of this place. Rain the 1  BAM 16:28, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Sandie, having done a lot of work previously for one of the dedicated Neighbours fansites, yes I would believe the Herald Sun over them any day even if hundreds of fansites are saying one thing and only the Herald Sun is saying the opposite. The reason being, everybody can edit a fansite to say anything, not everybody can edit an online newspaper.  I'm sure the Herald Sun got their information from what they consider a reliable source and published that information with the best of interests.  I'm also sure that the Herald Sun would not be stupid enough to include quotes from Network Nine people, basically saying that it was a big mistake, if there was even the slightest doubt that it was untrue as that would probably leave them open to all sorts of libel action especially from Nine and Neighbours!

 * Don't forget, the Herald Sun are saying that this all happened in 1982 so the chances of finding anything about this especially on the web are pretty remote as it's such a long time ago. The fact that only one source mentions it also doesn't mean anything, did you know that the idea for The Bill was originally pitched to the BBC and they rejected it?  I didn't until I was working on The Bill's article for GA!  Nothing on the internet states that the BBC refused the idea for The Bill, only one source states that and I have that sitting in my house.  The source is a book and Wikipedia says books are reliable, just like newspapers.

 * I'd also appreciate it Sandie if you could please point out to that website that the Herald Sun don't appear to have got that information from Wikipedia. I'd be more than happy to provide them with a link to the most recent edit prior to that article appearing if they wish to check it.  Thanks June for re-wording the article :)--5 albert square (talk) 18:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

1982 and other Reg Watson/Reg Grundy Organisation soap operas; other issues
Following the above discussions...

This is a really interesting thread. My gut feeling is that ideas for new shows are generally pitched to all networks at various stages of their development. (I generally think that what was pitched, to whom, and at what stage of its development is unlikely to be acurately documented at the time in a news source-these are routine behind-the-scenes negotiations about future potential shows - not so interesting to the general public.)

In mid 1982 the Reg Grundy Organisation was busy producing lavish serial Taurus Rising for the Nine Network in Australia. Taurus Rising had been created by Reg Watson. Taurus Rising, a Dynasty-type serial, was quickly cancelled and moved to a late night slot within the year. This article suggests Neighbours was pitched to Nine: but it mentions Sale of the Century, ignoring Taurus Rising.

The following year, 1983, Channel Nine broadcast new Grundy soaps Waterloo Station (created by Reg Watson) and later, Starting Out (created by Reg Watson). These shows were both cancelled within the year. Both shows had a large number of youngsters in the cast, mixed with older parental and authority figures. David Clencie, later of Neighbours, was in Starting Out.

In 1985 Watson's soap Possession was being broadcast by the Nine Network. It was cancelled within the year. Possession featured Anne Charleston, Maggie Millar, Ally Fowler, Briony Behets who all later acted in Neighbours. (Fowler had previously been in Sons and Daughters; Millar and Behets had been in Prisoner).

I guess it is possible that Neighbours was pitched to Nine. Clearly - what with Taurus Rising, Waterloo Station, Starting Out, Possession, Prime Time (TV series), Nine were seriously considering new soap operas. And clearly Watson had been creating and pitching various soaps c.1982 (many actually got made afterall.)

On this topic I get the feeling that recent press reports on Neighbours like to conveniently ignore lots of intervening Australian soaps - it makes for a tighter, more dramatic and simpler article. However they are giving a misleading picture.

Unfortunately I can't find the "Slippery Soap" article online, but it is used in this wikipedia article as a reference suggesting Neighbours was spawned by the success of Coronation Street and Crossroads (TV series). But the suggestion that "Watson decided to create a soap opera [Neighbours] after working on Crossroads and seeing the success that it and Coronation Street were having" seems wrong to me. A quote above mentions Watson and Ian Holmes and Corrie, yet back in 1971 Ian Holmes had asked for a "Coronation Street type serial" for the Ten Network, with the result being Number 96 (TV series). (Australian TV: The First 25 Years. Melbourne, 1981);. Holmes was no stranger to soaps.

There were several Australian teen soaps in the years before Neighbours, so Crossroads and Coronation Street wouldn't really have been a direct influence. To say that Watson could "decide" to create Neighbours based on the success of Crossroads and Coronation Street ignores intervening serials which surely had some influence. Watson had been working in Australian commercial television routinely creating soaps for years before Neighbours - Neighbours was just another of his soaps. He might, as he claims, had had the idea to make a Coronation Street type serial when he was in England watching that series. However it wasn't that novel an idea and pilots in Australia like Lane End (seven 30 minute episodes in 1972, featuring Carole Skinner), Somerset Street (made by Harry Michaels) and People Like Us had tried the same thing (families and a suburban locale).

But overall, linking Neighbours directly to Coronation Street seem wrong because it was Number 96 (1972-1977) that came about due to the success of Coronation Street. At least one of the 96 scriptwriters, Johnny Whyte, had previously worked on Corrie. Since 96 had already been a big success on Australian TV, its influence can't really be ignored.

Number 96 had spawned a series of teen soaps in the 1970s (Class of 74, The Restless Years). The success of those two Grundy teen soaps is more likely what led to Neighbours. Coronation Street hadn't been on Australian TV since the early 1970s and wasn't really very well known in Australia at the time; there was no internet or cable TV in those days and in Australia we really never heard anything about Coronation Street at all.

On topic but a relatively minor thing: the lead of this WP Neighbours article talks of Watson's "other" soap, Sons and Daughters, yet it wasn't his "other" soap - he had several other soaps.

Format (talk) 22:18, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

 * It's late, so I may have to come back tomorrow with a larger reply. The sentence about Crossroads and Corris just needed a little rewording, which was my fault. Watson saw how successful those two shows were in Britain and wanted to create something similar in Australia (you won't find the "Slippery Soap" article online as it's an offline article). I've edited the sentence about Sons and Daughters in the lead too. Oh, and just in case anyone wants another ref about the nine network/1982 that isn't the Herald Sun, there is this - -  JuneGloom    Talk  23:09, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That fabulous resource - Super Aussie Soaps by Andrew Mercado - also downplays the Neighbours/Coronation Street link. According to that book the first soap opera Reg Watson actually created was Until Tomorrow made in Brisbane in 1975 and set in a suburban street in Australia. Watson may well have had the idea to do a Coronation Street type serial in Australia while he was in the UK in the 1960s, and he did do it - with Until Tomorrow in 1975. Then he did it again a decade later with Neighbours. Format (talk) 02:58, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Regarding Modern Day ATV Network And Reg Watson/1982/1984 Neighbours Issue
ATV is not the old ATV Network, which ceased broadcasting at the end of 1981. It is a dedicated band of fans of old ATV shows, most significantly Crossroads, who have acquired the rights to use the name and logo, and who are currently producing a documentary called "Return To Crossroads". They have no access to old ATV company info or offices. There is now a thread on this subject on their site, and one of the moderators has read the "'80s Actual" article and comments thread, but has no conclusive information to offer. http://www.crossroadsnetwork.co.uk/newsmf/index.php/topic,2425.0.html

(Solidsandie (talk) 01:37, 26 April 2011 (UTC))
 * I don't see how fans would be able to release official press releases. Anyway I think we've reached consensus how we're re-wording it.--5 albert square (talk) 01:54, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * They just explained the creative process. So two people heavily involved with the network purchased archives from Carlton. Contiued the brand name, heavily involved with another reputable company. Very reliable. They have also offered to write to Reg and ask him - so perhaps if you feel strongly enough about the content, you can take their kind offer and ATV can reconfirm or correct their claim. At present we have three sources to say it was pitched. Only one editor has contested it's presense - there is now consensus for the matter to remain in the text. Rain the 1  BAM 02:08, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I have entered the date of the Herald article, which indicates that the claim is recent. I will investigate further with ATV, but so far nobody seems to know where the info came from and indications are the Sun Herald. I would like to place on record that I am most unhappy with the way this has been carried out, the idea that Mr Watson took his idea to Channel Nine and then straight to Seven is incredibly inaccurate (he pitched to Seven in 1984). I will make no further input to this article.

(Solidsandie (talk) 03:06, 26 April 2011 (UTC))

ATV - PRESS RELEASE INFO - 1982 INFORMATION DROPPED.
ATV Network LTD now state in their Press Release on Reg Watson and Neighbours: "Originally pitched to Seven in 1984, the soap was broadcast on Channel Seven in 1985 - Neighbours bombed, the show was quickly axed. Luckily for Reg and Grundy Television Network 10 saw potential in the saga and commissioned it for their own channel. With some minor tweaks the show became a world-wide phenomenon in the 1980s, making household names of Jason Donovan and Kylie Minogue."

The 1982/Channel 9 information has been removed. Evidently satisfactory grounds could not be found for it.

- please refresh your browsers if neccesary -

http://www.atvnewsnetwork.co.uk/today/index.php/atv-icons/2165-reg-watson

(Solidsandie (talk) 16:49, 26 April 2011 (UTC))

 * It has been updated - I know because I read it yesterday when it read different. You have requested they change the information to suit you -so your attempting to manipulate sources to suit a viewpoint. So stating that editors on this talk page need to buy some glasses is void. Plus we can see you making personal attacks about Wikipedia editors on other forums and blogs - hardly the right way to try and change everyones mind. Rain the 1  BAM 17:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Reg Watson/Neighbours: 1980s news references
I have been researching whether Reg Watson ever pitched Neighbours to the Nine Network in 1982 by looking at news articles from the 1980s. I found no evidence of this, but there are some interesting articles (listed below). I am about to disappear and will not have web access again until mid June so it is unlikely I'll be doing much with these references, but someone else may find them useful and perhaps use them to update wikipedia? Format (talk) 04:15, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Neighbours moves to Ten:

Neighbours Scott and Charlene marry:

Neighbours' UK launch:

Neighbours' 1000th episode:

Neighbours actors, Alan Dale, and brief bit on Francis Bell's departure:

Neighbours moves to Ten, review:

Neighbours' sale to the US, 1991:

Reg Watson quits Crossroads to take Aust job:

Watson's return to Aust:

Scripting Neighbours, 1989:

Soapbox book review, bits on Watson:

Watson on doing multi shows simultaneously:

Review of Neighbours, 1986:

Seven cancels Neighbours:

Neighbours mention in 1988 ratings report:

Long-running
I agreed with this edit that removed "long-running" from the lede, but I see it's back again. Since we're already saying the show was first broadcast in 1985, does the article really need to include this term? Absconded Northerner (talk) 18:47, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not really bothered, but the lead does mention Neighbours is the longest running series in Australian television further down, so I guess we don't need it twice. - JuneGloom    Talk  19:19, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Right, weighing in on this trivial matter. What JG said makes sense and the POV issue AN mentioned does too, so to avoid repetition in the prose and POV - we can leave it out. No there is an edit dispute - However, there is another editor contesting it .. so consensus would seem to be it is not needed. Rain the One  BAM 22:14, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Not essential so not needed especially as June rightly points out that it's mentioned further down. Certainly not worth warring over.........................--5 albert square (talk) 22:40, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this is really an issue for another talk page. <IP_ADDRESS> and Gamalie need to have a chat instead of undoing each other's edits. - JuneGloom    Talk  22:48, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right June, it's really not the correct talk page to discuss it on as there's only two editors warring over this, hence the reason why I've not locked the page - yet. Both editors may also want to read WP:3RR as they're sailing kinda close to it.--5 albert square (talk) 23:00, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * *Sigh* I started this topic precisely because I didn't want to start an edit war. Of course, if two editors are going to ignore talk pages then it doesn't help. I'll direct them both to this topic. Absconded Northerner (talk) 06:44, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I should point out that they weren't specifically warring over Neighbours, it was across a couple of articles. - JuneGloom    Talk  12:00, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I noticed that, but this is the only one I'm involved in and the only one where I feel able to give an opinion on whether the words should stay or not. I wanted to have a topic so I could say "Look - we're discussig this", but it obviously didn't work. Absconded Northerner (talk) 13:11, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

DVD Release
I have noticed there has been a new addition of a DVD release. However, is this a notable one - isn't this a freebie in a newspaper. Also, the reference is a little iffy - there are claims about what it is all about and the choice of wording makes it sound asif it should have a better reference. Claims as strong as "exclusive DVD", "memorable scenes", "facts" - I just think that should have an online source that meets WP:RS - not citing the medium itself. Was this a big advertised thing that should be noted? Otherwise it'll be a little like we are including everything jusr for the sake of it. Rain the One  BAM 14:43, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's notable either, especially if it was just a free giveaway in the paper and not released by the production company. I'm sure The Sun released something similar a few years back and I haven't though about adding that as it's not important. Now if the HS dvd did something special, like break a record for most copies purchased or something, then it might be worth mentioning. I also don't think the reference is very good. I tend to think Cite video is used for events that happen within a film/show not for the actual dvd itself. - JuneGloom    Talk  16:35, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad you agree, I have removed it, seeings that it is incorrectly sourced and a non notable unofficial give away by a newspaper.. Can you imagine if editors of the Music projects on here decided to include all of the free giveaway albums British newpapers do on a weekly basis. Not good. Rain the One  BAM 17:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

A Neighbours Wikiproject
I have started a discussion HERE about the idea of a Wikiproject for Neighbours and fellow soap opera Home and Away. I am wondering if anyone has an opinion on the matter or would or would not be interested in joining such a project. Rain the One  BAM 18:30, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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Organic chemistry/Acid–base chemistry

Acid/Base chemistry began with the Bronsted-Lowry model of acids and bases. This model states molecules containing hydrogen ions are acids, while molecules containing hydroxyl (-OH) functional groups are bases. This is not necessarily true. The recent definition of an acid and a base is based upon how the substance ionizes in water. Acids produce positively charged molecules, while bases produce negatively charged molecules. This definition allows for bases such as ammonia which does not contain an hydroxide ion. The relative strength of acids and bases is measured by their respective ion concentrations once dissolved. The product of the positive ion concentration times the negative ion concentration equals 1*10 to the -14th power. The pH is equal to -log of the positive ion concentration. The pOH is equal to the -log of the negative ion concentration. Thus, pH is measured on a scale of 0 to 14, with 7(th pH of water) as neutral. Each "step" below 7 is ten times more acidic (since it was derived from a power of ten). While rare, substances can have pH levels below 0 or above 14. However, the pH plus pOH of a substance will always equal 14.

Reactions between acids and bases always produce water and a salt. Reactions between acids and metal always produce a salt and hydrogen gas.

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Romanian/Pronunciation and alphabet

Even though Romanian spelling is very phonetic, a lot of foreigners find the language difficult. The accent and sounds are very similar to Italian (with slight Slavic influences), so remember to sound every letter clearly. Also, sounds very rarely differ between words (i.e. the letter s is always pronounced the same, everytime, unlike in English).

In the pronunciation guide, X-SAMPA will be used to help those people who are familiar with it, or the IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet), in pronouncing Romanian. For those unfamiliar with it, the IPA is a phonetic alphabet designed to help in the description of foreign sounds, and is used extensively by linguists. A good place to start learning the IPA is here.

X-SAMPA is an ASCII method of transcribing the IPA. A guide to it can be found here.

Vowels

 * a (a) : like 'a' in "father", X-SAMPA /a/.
 * e (e) : like 'a' in "bait,", or 'e' in "exit" X-SAMPA /e/.
 * i (i) : in most cases, like the 'ee' in "beet," X-SAMPA /i/. At the end of a word when following a consonant, however, it palatizes the preceeding consonant, X-SAMPA /_j/.
 * o (o) : like 'o' in "chlorine", X-SAMPA /o/.
 * u (u) : like 'oo' in "broom", X-SAMPA /u/.
 * ă : like 'a' in "about," X-SAMPA /@/ (schwa).
 * â (â), î (î) : no English equivalent - it's best to hear it being spoken. â and î are the same sound in Romanian. î is used at the beginning and end of words, and in compound words where one of the words begins with the î sound (i.e. neîndemânatic), and â in all other cases. The best way to approximate this sound is to attempt to make the vowel in "ski," then retract your tongue toward the center of your mouth. X-SAMPA /1/.

Consonants

 * b (be) : like 'b' in "bed," X-SAMPA /b/.
 * c (ce): when followed by i or e, like the 'ch' in "cheese" (X-SAMPA /tS/), otherwise like the 'k' in "sky," X-SAMPA /k/.
 * ch : only occurs before i or e, and is pronounced like the 'k' in "sky," X-SAMPA /k/.
 * d (de) : like 'd' in "dog," X-SAMPA /d/.
 * f (fe/ef) : like 'f' in "food," X-SAMPA /f/.
 * g (ghe/ge) : when followed by i or e, like the 'j' in "judge" (X-SAMPA /dZ/), otherwise like the 'g' in "good," X-SAMPA /g/.
 * gh : only occurs before i or e, and is pronounced like the 'g' in "good," X-SAMPA /g/.
 * h (ha/haș) : like 'h' in "help" or the 'ch' in German "ach," X-SAMPA /h/ or /x/.
 * j (je) : like the 's' in "measure" or the 'j' in French "bonjour," X-SAMPA /Z/.
 * k (ka) : like 'k' in "sky" only found in loanwords from other languages, X-SAMPA /k/.
 * l (le/el) : like 'l' in "love," X-SAMPA /l/.
 * m (me/em) : like 'm' in "mother," X-SAMPA /m/.
 * n (ne/en) : like 'n' in "nice," X-SAMPA /n/.
 * p (pe) : like 'p' in "spill," X-SAMPA /p/.
 * q (ku) : like 'k' in "sky," only found in loanwords from other languages, X-SAMPA /k/.
 * r (re/er) : like the trilled 'r' in Spanish "perro" or Italian "raro," X-SAMPA /r/.
 * s (se/es): like 's' in "snake," X-SAMPA /s/.
 * ș : like 'sh' in "lush," X-SAMPA /S/.
 * ț : like 'ts' in "bits," X-SAMPA /ts/.
 * t (te) : like 't' in "stop," X-SAMPA /t/.
 * v (ve) : like 'v' in "very," X-SAMPA /v/.
 * w (dublu ve) : like 'v' in "very," only used in loanwords from other languages, X-SAMPA /v/.
 * x (ics) : like 'x' in "box," mostly used in loanwords from other languages, X-SAMPA /ks/.
 * y (i grec): like 'ee' in "beet," only found in loanwords from other languages,X-SAMPA /i/.
 * z (zet) : like 'z' in "fizz," X-SAMPA /z/.

Diphthongs

 * oi : like 'oy' in "boy," X-SAMPA /oi/.
 * ea : like the 'ai' in "bait" followed by the 'a' in "father," X-SAMPA /ea/.
 * ai : like the 'i' in "bide," X-SAMPA /ai/.
 * ei : like the 'ei' in "vein," X-SAMPA /ei/.
 * au : like the 'ou' in "mouth," X-SAMPA /au/.
 * ău : like the 'a' in "about" followed by the 'oo' in "boot," X-SAMPA /@u/.
 * ăi : like the 'a' in "about" followed by the 'ee' in "beet," X-SAMPA /@i/.
 * âi : like the Romanian 'â' or 'î' followed by the 'ee' in "beet," X-SAMPA /1i/.
 * îi : like the Romanian 'â' or 'î' followed by the 'ee' in "beet," X-SAMPA /1i/.

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Mary Magdalen Healy

Mary Magdalen Healy, CND (born Eliza Healy; December 23, 1846 – September 13, 1919) was an American Catholic religious sister who served in the Congregation of Notre Dame of Montreal.

Healy was born into the notable Healy family of Macon, Georgia; her father was a white Irish planter and her mother was an enslaved African-American woman of mixed race. They had a common-law marriage. The Healy children were predominately white in their ancestry. Eliza had several siblings and their father ensured they were each given a chance for higher education. She and a sister, and most of her brothers made lives serving in the Catholic Church.

The Healy children were reared in Irish-American culture; the girls were educated at French-language schools in Quebec. Mary Magdalen Healy became one of the early African-American mother superiors. She led communities in St. Albans, Vermont, and Staten Island, New York.

Family history
Born in 1846 in Macon, Georgia, Eliza Healy was the youngest daughter of Michael Morris Healy, an Irish immigrant and successful planter, and Mary Eliza Clarke, a much younger enslaved biracial woman.

Born in County Roscommon, Ireland, Michael Morris Healy traveled to Canada as a member of the British army. After his service, he migrated to Jones County, near Macon, Georgia, where he acquired a large amount of property and developed a cotton plantation. The couple lived together from 1829 until their deaths in a cholera epidemic in 1850. They raised their ten children, nine of whom survived to adulthood.

Due to the partus sequitur ventrem principle, Eliza and her siblings – James, Hugh, Patrick, Sherwood (Alexander), Michael, Martha, Josephine (Amanda) and Eugene – were legally considered slaves, as their mother was enslaved. Their father was a free white man and they had three-fourths white ancestry. Georgia state law at the time prohibited slaves from receiving an education and prohibited manumission. When the children were old enough, their father sent them to the North in order to give them an education and higher quality of life.

He and their mother intended to move north with the younger children, but they both died in 1850 before that could take place. By then Eliza's five older brothers and one older sister were already living in the North. Their older brother Hugh risked his freedom to return to the South to rescue the three youngest Healy children, including Eliza. Passing as white, he took them to New York City, where he lived. According to the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850, he was at risk himself for being captured as a slave and taken to the South for sale.

Early life
Even though Michael was Catholic, his children were not baptized Catholics. Eliza and her two younger siblings, Josephine (Amanda) and Eugene, were baptized Catholic in New York in 1851, after their brother brought them from the South. Eliza and Josephine both attended schools operated by the Congregation of Notre Dame in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu and in Montreal, Quebec. Eliza and Josephine joined their siblings in Boston, Massachusetts, when Eliza finished her secondary education in 1861. She lived for a time with her brother Eugene in Boston, and then moved to Newton, Massachusetts, to live with her brother James, who had been ordained to priesthood. He would go on to become the first African-American bishop in the United States. Eliza traveled with James to Europe and the Middle East in 1868. She continued living in the West Newton family home until 1874. In the wake of the Panic of 1873, which destroyed much of James' financial resources, Eliza made the decision to enter religious life.

Religious life
On May 1, 1874, at the age of 27, Eliza entered the novitiate of the Congregation of Notre Dame of Montreal, Canada, and, in December of that same year, received the religious habit and her religious name Mary Magdalen. She pronounced her first vows on July 19, 1876, at twenty-nine years of age, and made her perpetual vows six years later.

Despite some racial discrimination in that era, the fact that she was a woman of color was not a hindrance to her admission by Mother Saint-Victor and her council, as she and her siblings were accepted as Irish-American Catholic. Some twenty years earlier, Eliza's older sister, Martha Ann, was largely educated in Quebec. She also entered the Congregation of Notre Dame, taking the name Sainte-Lucie; she served there from 1855 to 1863. Martha Ann requested and received a dispensation from her vows. She left the convent and later married a man from Ireland; they lived in Boston.

Healy began teaching at the Saint-Patrick Academy in Montreal. Two years later, in 1878, she was among the three sisters who opened the CND mission in Brockville, Ontario. She also taught at Sherbrooke, Quebec (1881–86), and at St. Anthony's in Montreal (1886–88, 1890–94).

After a year as assistant superior in Ottawa, she was appointed superior of a convent in Huntingdon, Quebec (1895–97). The congregation was struggling with debt and financial instability. Healy's strong administrative skills enabled her to return the convent to solvency.

From 1897–98, she served as the superior at the St. Denis Academy. The two following years she was dean of English studies at the congregation's sixth motherhouse in Montreal, and, from 1900–03, she taught at the École Normale Jacques-Cartier, section pour filles (also in Montreal).

From 1903–18, Healy was Mother superior and headmistress of Villa Barlow in St. Albans, Vermont. Though it is claimed she was the first African-American woman to be appointed a Mother superior, she is predated by at least two such women, Servant of God Mary Elizabeth Lange of the Oblate Sisters of Providence in Baltimore, Maryland, and Venerable Mother Henriette DeLille of the Sisters of the Holy Family in New Orleans, Louisiana.

Villa Barlow was a well-known and prestigious girls school operated by the CND, which had a mission in St. Albans. Many of its students came from wealthy New England families. But it had fallen into disarray and was burdened with debt. Over her fifteen years in leadership, Healy reorganized the school and its community, and restored a high level of academic and administrative excellence. It was a challenging task. She "had to struggle against the parish and even the diocesan authorities. Her wisdom enabled her to unravel the complicated problems, to assure the resources, to pay the debts, and to make this ... mission one of our most prosperous houses in the United States". She also managed the health and hygiene practices of the religious sisters and pupils in her charge.

In 1918, her fifteen years as superior came to an end when the new Code of Canon Law set limits to terms for some offices of religious superiors. Healy accepted a new challenge as superior of Notre Dame Academy, Staten Island, New York. In a short time, she improved the academy's financial situation.

After eight months, for health reasons, she had to leave this position and returned to the motherhouse in Montreal. She died on September 13, 1919, from heart disease. Her funeral was held at the motherhouse on 19 September, 1919.

Legacy
Archives written by Mary Magdalen's community members described her as having business and organizational acumen, an optimistic disposition, and high expectations for the congregation. They particularly noted her leadership skills and devotion to prayer. They described her as:"'so attractive, so upright! ... She reserved the heaviest tasks for herself ... in the kitchen, in the garden in the housework ... She listened to everyone ... was equal to everything ... spared herself nothing ... so that nothing was lacking to make the family (of the community) perfect.'"

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Louise Bawden

Louise Bawden (born 7 August 1981) is an Australian volleyball and beach volleyball player. She represented Australia at the 2000 Summer Olympics in indoor volleyball, finishing in 9th. She was selected to represent Australia at the 2012 Summer Olympics in beach volleyball, but she and team-mate Becchara Palmer did not qualify from the pool stage.

Personal
Bawden was born in Melbourne, Victoria and attended Fintona Girls' School. She spent her childhood in Melbourne, moving to Canberra when she was sixteen. She then moved to the Netherlands after the Sydney Olympics, returning to Australia in 2003. In 2008, she completed a degree at a university in Queensland. She attended the 2008 Summer Olympics as a fan. , she lives in Adelaide.

Bawden is 183 cm tall and weighs 72 kg.

Indoor volleyball
Bawden earned a volleyball scholarship at the Australian Institute of Sport when she was sixteen years old. As a nineteen-year-old, she represented Australia at the 2000 Summer Olympics in indoor volleyball, where her team finished ninth. Following the Sydney Games, she played professional volleyball in the Netherlands until 2003. In 2002, she competed in the World Championships.

Beach volleyball
Bawden is a beach volleyball player. Following the 2008 Summer Olympics, she approached the Adelaide-based Australian beach volley programme about the possibility of getting into the sport. Following this, in 2009, she became involved with Australia's National Beach Volleyball Program, making a switch from indoor to beach and was initially teamed up with Becchara Palmer. That year, she shared the world beach volleyball association top rookie award with Angie Akers, an American.

At the 2009 Mazury Open in Stare Jablonki, Poland, Bawden and partner Palmer finished second. The competition was part of the FIVB World Tour. She and Palmer twice won the Australian Championships, once in 2010 and again in 2011.

In 2011, Palmer and Bawden were Australia's number one ranked team, and the duo finished ninth at the 2011 World Championships. With her partner Palmer, she finished seventeenth at the 2011 FIVB Moscow World Tour in Moscow, Russia. With her partner, she finished fourth at the 2011 FIVB Phuket World Tour in Phuket, Thailand.

In 2012, Bawden and Palmer played in 31 matches, winning 20 of them. This increased their world ranking to 16. With her partner, she finished ninth at the 2012 FIVB Brasília World Tour in Brasília, Brazil. With her partner, she finished fifth at the 2012 FIVB Sanya World Tour in Sanya, China. With her partner, she finished seventeenth at the 2012 FIVB Shanghai World Tour in Shanghai, China. With her partner, she finished ninth at the 2012 FIVB Beijing World Tour in Beijing, China. With her partner, she finished ninth at the 2012 FIVB Rome World Tour in Rome, Italy,  which secured her Olympic berth. With her partner, she finished fifth at the 2012 FIVB Moscow World Tour in Moscow, Russia.

Bawden was selected to represent Australia at the 2012 Summer Olympics in beach volleyball, in June 2012 following a selection process that was 18 months long and involved becoming one of the sixteen top ranked teams in the world. Going into the Olympics, her team was ranked fourteenth in the world, but did not qualify from the pool stages.

She participated in the 2016 summer Olympics in Rio with partner Taliqua Clancy, and made it to the Quarter-finals.

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Department of Health and Human Services (Victoria)

The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) was a government department in Victoria, Australia. Commencing operation on 1 January 2015, it was responsible for the state's health system, as well as various other aspects of social policy.

The DHHS was formed following machinery of government changes in the aftermath of the 2014 state election, assuming the functions of the previous Department of Health and Department of Human Services, respectively.

After further re-structures in January 2019, the department's responsibilities relating to sport and recreation were instead transferred to the newly created Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions.

On 30 November 2020, the Premier announced that Health and Human Services functions would be separated into a new Department of Health (DoH) and the Department of Families, Fairness and Housing (DFFH). The new DoH would oversee public health, aging, mental health and ambulance service portfolios while DFFH would hold responsibility for child protection, housing and disability. As part of this change, DFFH would gain a number of functions that currently reside with The Department of Premier and Cabinet. The split took effect on 1 February 2021.

Ministers
Until its dissolution, the DHHS supported five ministers in the following portfolio areas:

Functions
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general anesthetic

Noun

 * 1)  An anesthetic (anesthetic substance) that causes loss of sensation to the whole body, usually to the point of unconsciousness.

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: ,
 * Finnish: yleispuudutusaine
 * German:, , Allgemeinanästhetikum
 * Portuguese: anestésico geral
 * Russian: о́бщий анесте́тик
 * Spanish: anestésico general
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Talk:Linda Wenzel

Sniper?
I don't think it has been verified that she has been a sniper? An opposing soldier is said to have claimed that in a newspaper article. I don't think that is enough to put in the text. This could prove to be a crucial point in her sentencing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ycc swe (talk • contribs) 18:49, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It has been repeated by multiple RS, including . It is also the reason she is standing trial - other wives are interned pending deportation. She is being tried for murder/terrorism since she is alleged to have shot at the Iraqi forces.Icewhiz (talk) 18:59, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I definitely don't think the link you give or the one in the text can motivate calling her a sniper. the link you give is a general one about women training as soldiers. It seems Wikipedia is going political, that is sad to see. I am not a regular here so I will leave it like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ycc swe (talk • contribs) 19:21, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * more sources - . And of course we have the Iraqi PM saying (referring to Wenzel)- “You know teenagers under certain laws, they are accountable for their actions especially if the act is a criminal activity when it amounts to killing innocent people,” the Prime Minister said in an interview with the Associated Press..Icewhiz (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Sentence
Six years --<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 16:40, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Revert
I reverted the update that changed the status of her role as a sniper to unconfirmed since she was prosecuted. (Also I made a typo in the revert description sorry) ShimonChai (talk) 19:23, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * She was prosecuted for marrying an ISIS fighter and only given five years, whereas most of them are executed. Even most of the wives are being executed, to say nothing of those who actually fought. If she had been a sniper there's no way she would have escaped the death penalty. So you need to provide a source for the sniper allegations; I think that was just based on rumors spread early on by Iraqi soldiers. Ryn78 (talk) 10:07, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Appeal Court
The verdict on illegal border crossing has been dropped, so the sentence is shortened to 5 years. Plz. correct. source: https://www.mdr.de/sachsen/bautzen/bautzen-hoyerswerda-kamenz/linda-w-pulsnitz-haftverkuerzung-irak-100.html --<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 15:04, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

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huutava

Adjective

 * 1) urgent, glaring, sore of a lack, need, etc.
 * 2) obvious, glaring, flagrant
 * 1) obvious, glaring, flagrant

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Talk:Rebecca Pidgeon

Born three times
Per and, she was born 10/25/65, not 10/10/65. Marbella2 02:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I too noted that British-American actress Rebecca Pidgeon's birth appears in "On This Day" twice, under both October 10, 1965 and October 25, 1965. I quickly found references from reputable and usually reliable sources for both of those October days (IMDb and FilmReference.com respectively). The latter source notes that the year may be 1963 or 1965. Actresses (and actors) have been known to adjust the year of their birth in opposite directions very early and much later in their careers, but don't simultaneously adjust the day of the year by an insignificant 15 days. Does anybody have an authoritative source to resolve this contradiction? Rebecca? ChrisJBenson (talk) 19:55, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Darron Gibson

Untitled
He was wearing a number 23 shirt in the Guangzhou match, looks like richardson's number is gone already.

Flags and Wolves
Hi Peejay, With the greatest of respect it is not me that is being unconstructive. I have spent some time improving the Darron Gibson article while you have just come along and made minor adjustments that add nothing. All I am interested in doing is making better articles but it is this sort of pedantic enforcement of MoS that ruins Wiki.
 * Regarding flags. First of all I am not a big fan of using flags willy nilly but I think that in this, and similar cases,  it is justified. It helps distinguish between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. You may know the difference between the two but not everybody else does. I only wish I had a pound for every time I saw a Wiki article were an Irish player was linked to the wrong national team.. It is not just a problem with Wiki. This  Man Utd site incorrectly refers to Gibson as an Northern Ireland U21 international. In addition I cannot find any particular guideline against using flags here.
 * Regarding Wolves. The clubs own website is called www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk   and  it displays the word  Wolves prominently. So if the club use the name why can’t it be used in Wiki. Even the Wiki article on the club states that the club is well known by this name. Djln --Djln (talk) 17:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

 * This is getting ridiculous. Can someone please explain why flags are allowed in some places and not in others. The MoS guidelines are confusing and contradict each other and I don’t find them particularly helpful. The Darron Gibson article is now being vandalised by several editors, making petty and trivial changes that have undermined the quality of the article.  Some of the info, unrelated to flags, has been removed and when I tried to restore it I was  threatened with blocking. This is very disillusioning.  Why do so many editors have to be pedantic and resort to threats. Is there no room for civilised discussion.  This the ugly face of Wiki that destroys the fun. I will leave article as is for now. Hopefully in a few days thing will have cooled down and I can repair the damage. Djln --Djln (talk) 20:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Irish?
Shouldn't the top bit say Northern Irish instead of just Irish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 11:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Born in Northern Ireland, but plays for the Republic. He's Irish. – PeeJay 12:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * He's actually both, having represented NI at junior level. I'm changing to "Ireland|Irish" rather than "Republic of Ireland|Irish". Mooretwin (talk) 15:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I would agree that it should state Northern Irish as he is from Northern Ireland. No harm is stating facts.Factocop (talk) 15:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

 * That someone from Northern Ireland is "Northern Irish" is not a fact, it is a minority label not used in preference to others by the majority of the population. O Fenian (talk) 15:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Northern Irish is not a nationality but it is an adjective that describes his origin so I don't see the harm in using it. A lot of people do refer to themselves as Northern Irish, myself included so please do not dismiss it just because you don't agree with it.Factocop (talk) 15:25, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * He was born in Northern Ireland, but he plays football for the Republic. Saying he is "Irish" is fine. – PeeJay 17:35, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Indicating him as Irish in squad lists etc is in keeping with the consensus that we indicate sporting nationality. Saying he is Irish in prose is contentious, and for some inflammatory; more to the point, it is unnecessary.  Not everyone needs to be ascribed a nationality in the opening sentence of the lede paragraph, less provocative but equally accurate and informative constructions are possible and preferable. Kevin McE (talk) 11:28, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Is he not Irish? Whether he is from the North or the Republic, he's still Irish. – PeeJay 12:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Unless the descriptor "Northern Irish" is removed from all players who play for Northern Ireland (and those that haven't but are assumed to want to play for them and not the Republic) this standard is being applied selectively. The use of "Irish" to describe someone from "Ireland" is not contentious, and is recognised in the Good Friday Agreement, unlike the use of "Northern Irish". So either all articles are amended to remove "Northern Irish", or those players who choose to play for the Republic of Ireland are described as "Irish", it is quite straightforward. You cannot claim "Irish" is contentious while ignoring that "Northern Irish" is even more contentious. O Fenian (talk) 16:14, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

 * I have no problem myself with describing him as Irish: I also could happily describe him as white, dark haired, one-paced, Roman Catholic, ten fingered, talented, right-footed and myriad other descriptors. I have never said that "Irish is contentious" per se, nor have I ever proposed describing anyone as "Northern Irish" (although WP:UKNATIONALS does), so personalising the discussion is unhelpful.
 * Most readers of a football article are not going to be aware of the subtleties of definitions offered by the GFA. For a very large number, simple assumption may lead them to assume that Irish applies uniquely and specifically to the Republic: for a smaller number, political prediliction will see "Irish" as rebuttal of UKish-ness.  So even if it is only among those who are less than perfectly informed or less than totally neutral, the word Irish is not without the possibility of misinterpretation.  That doesn't mean that we should never use the word, but we should be careful about using it when some people will come to the wrong conclusion.
 * "But it's not a wrong conclusion!" one might claim. It is true that he is a footballer for Republic of Ireland, but he is not a footballer from the Republic of Ireland.  WT:FOOTY frequently sees pleas that we do not need to include in lead paragraph prose the representative nationality of players where that nationality is not obvious in the player's life: Ray Houghton is described as a "retired Scottish-born footballer who represented the Republic of Ireland", Mick McCarthy is a "is a former international footballer".  As above, there are many descriptors that could be applied, but few that must be.
 * What cannot be summarised in a few words, and is not essential for a grasp of the subject, is best left out of the lead paragraph. The controversy over this individual's international career is sufficient to place it in that category.  A simple view of the page history shows that description of nationality for this individual is indeed contentious.  Kevin McE (talk) 08:57, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Last time I checked Irish can apply to anyone from the entire island. So please clarify whether you are going to remove "Northern Irish" from every article about people who have played for Northern Ireland (and those who have not) or not? If you are not, "Irish" will be added back to this article. You cannot claim "Irish" is contentious while saying "Northern Irish" is not, it is both or neither. O Fenian (talk) 09:01, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There is very little sense in your replying to my posts if you do not read them, which is the only assumption that I can make given that you have not replied to any of my comments. Kevin McE (talk) 11:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Kevin, you are wasting your time here. This page is run by a nationalist clique. O fenian does not think that Irish is contentious in relation to Darron Gibson so please assume that he is ill informed. I suggest that we just say that 'he is a footballer who represents ROI'. But that will not be enough unfortunately. Any photos of Darron Gibson draped in a tri-colour and shaking Gerry Adams hand though would be very welcome and apparently by general consensus would be pc aswell. word of advice don't mention Londonderry. not in these parts.Factocop (talk) 09:11, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't make assumptions about my preferences in NI issues, I am simply trying to find a resolution that is factual. Parodying other editors will not make it easy for anyone to support your edits. Kevin McE (talk) 11:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Factocop you have just come of a block for disruptive editing, perhaps you could re-read the 5 pillars of WP and assume good faith and comment on the edit and not the editiors. Thanks. Bjmullan (talk) 09:16, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Kevin, I've made no assumptions on your part, i've just made an observation. I was blocked for making an edit to page that seemed to have an unbalanced view. I'm guilty!Factocop (talk) 11:54, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Made the edit to Irish per consensus above. Mo ainm  ~Talk  15:19, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

 * Darron Gibson may have been born in Northern Ireland, however as he opted to play for the Republic of Ireland despite having no parents or grand-parents from that country, i'm assuming he possesses an Irish passport and thus Irish nationality, which qualifies him to play for them - in that regard he is Irish, though born in Northern Ireland. As long as its made clear that he was born in Northern Ireland you can state both - i added Northern Ireland into the second paragraph which states where he was born as it ignores the actual country the city is in which helps explain the dispute mentioned afterwards. Mabuska (talk) 15:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Doesn't need to use the parentage rule as being born in Derry qualifies him automatically. Mo ainm  ~Talk  15:36, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That's what i was implying when i stated the Irish passport bit even if i didn't make it clear. Mabuska (talk) 20:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

For the record, in terms of nationality, the only thing relevant should be what reliable sources say (except where they self-describe). We should be looking for what preference they have Nationality_of_people_from_the_United_Kingdom. From Northern_Irish, for catholics Irish should be the preferred option. IRWolfie- (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

As a compromise, we could put 'British' as that's factual, given that he's from Northern Ireland which is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 13:39, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * But he plays for the Republic of Ireland and has an Irish passport... – PeeJay 19:24, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Position
Would someone be so kind as to clarify in the article whether Gibson is center midfield or a winger? I tried to settle a debate on this issue by checking Wikipedia and was surprised to discover that this is not part of the article. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, he hardly ever plays on the wing for Manchester United any more. – PeeJay 18:22, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Off-topic. I doubt he'll ever play for the first team again anymore unless the entire midfield gets suspended or injured. Mabuska (talk) 22:04, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Back on topic - i'd classify him as a central midfielder as i've only ever seen him play that position for the first team. Mabuska (talk) 00:18, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

twitter issue?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/25/darron-gibson-quits-twitter-abuse maybe include that too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * There is grounds for its inclusion i feel if someone wants to do it. I won't as i lack objectivity on him in regards to his abysmal Man Utd performances (couldn't care less that he choose the RoI team over NI as quite frankly i'm glad he choose somewhere else to be abysmal). Mabuska (talk) 15:31, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Moving Table
I am moving the international goals table to "career statistics" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 22:15, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2015
Hi. Please edit his league apps. 45 caps for Everton now.

<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 13:01, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done It is now 46 according to http://www.evertonfc.com/players/d/dg/darron-gibson and has been updated accordingly. --Stabila711 (talk) 01:12, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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Mellow Yellow (disambiguation)

"Mellow Yellow" is a 1966 song by Donovan.

Mellow Yellow may also refer to:

 * Mellow Yellow (album), the Donovan album on which the song appears
 * Mellow Yellow coffeeshop, an Amsterdam cannabis shop
 * Mello Yello, a soft drink
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C Programming/Simple input and output

Machines process things. We feed stuff into a machine and get different stuff out. A saw turns trees into planks. An internal combustion engine turns gasoline into rotational energy. A computer is no different. But instead of physical materials, computers process information for us.

We feed information into the computer, tell the computer what do with it, and then get a result back out. The information we put into a computer is called input and the information we receive from the computer is called output. Input can come from just about anywhere. Keystrokes on a keyboard, data from an internet connection, or sound waves converted to electrical signals are examples of input. Output can also take many forms such as video played on a monitor, a string of text displayed in a terminal, or data we save onto a hard drive. The collection of input and generation of output is known under the general term, input/output, or I/O for short, and is a core function of computers.

Interestingly, the C programming language doesn't have I/O abilities built into it. It does, however, provide us with an external library containing I/O functions which we can compile and link into our programs. We have already used an output library function in the Hello, World! example at the beginning of this text:. You may recall this function resided in the  library file. As that file's name implies,  contains standardized I/O functions for adding input and output capability to our programs. This section of the text will explore some of these functions.

Output using
Recall from the beginning of this text the demonstration program duplicated below:

If you compile and run this program, you will see the sentence below show up on your screen:

This amazing accomplishment was achieved by using the function. A function is like a "black box" that does something for you without exposing the internals inside. We can write functions ourselves in C, but we will cover that later.

You have seen that to use  one puts text, surrounded by quotes, in between the parentheses. We call the text surrounded by quotes a literal string (or just a string), and we call that string an argument to printf.

As a note of explanation, it is sometimes convenient to include the opening and closing parentheses after a function name to remind us that it is, indeed, a function. However usually when the name of the function we are talking about is understood, it is not necessary.

As you can see in the example above, using  can be as simple as typing in some text, surrounded by double quotes (note that these are double quotes and not two single quotes). So, for example, you can print any string by placing it as an argument to the  function:

And once it is contained in a proper  function, it will show:

Placeholder codes
The  function is a powerful function, and is probably the most-used function in C programs.

For example, let us look at a problem. Say we want to calculate: 19 + 31. Let's use C to get the answer.

We start writing:

But here we are stuck! only prints strings! Thankfully, printf has methods for printing numbers. What we do is put a placeholder format code in the string. We write:

The placeholder  literally "holds the place" for the actual number that is the result of adding 19 to 31.

These placeholders are called format specifiers. Many other format specifiers work with. If we have a floating-point number, we can use  to print out a floating-point number, decimal point and all. Other format specifiers are:

 * - int     (same as %i)
 * - long int (same as %li)
 * - float
 * - double
 * - char
 * - string
 * - hexadecimal

A complete listing of all the format specifiers for  is on Wikipedia.

Tabs and newlines
What if, we want to achieve some output that will look like: 1905   312 +   -

will not put line breaks in at the end of each statement: we must do this ourselves. But how?

What we can do is use the newline escape character. An escape character is a special character that we can write but will do something special onscreen, such as make a beep, write a tab, and so on. To write a newline we write. All escape characters start with a backslash.

So to achieve the output above, we write:

or to be a bit clearer, we can break this long printf statement over several lines. So our program will be:

There are other escape characters we can use. Another common one is to use  to write a tab. You can use  to ring the computer's bell, but you should not use this very much in your programs, as excessive use of sound is not very friendly to the user.

The  function is a very simple way to send a string to the screen when you have no placeholders or variables to be concerned about. It works very much like the  function we saw in the "Hello, World!" example:

will print to the screen:

Print this string.

followed by the newline character (as discussed above). (The  function appends a newline character to its output.)

Input using
The  function is the input method equivalent to the   output function - simple yet powerful. In its simplest invocation, the scanf format string holds a single placeholder representing the type of value that will be entered by the user. These placeholders are mostly the same as the  function -   for integers,   for floats, and   for doubles.

There is, however, one variation to  as compared to. The  function requires the memory address of the variable to which you want to save the input value. While pointers (variables storing memory addresses) can be used here, this is a concept that won't be approached until later in the text. Instead, the simple technique is to use the address-of operator, &. For now it may be best to consider this "magic" before we discuss pointers.

A typical application might be like this:

If you were to describe the effect of the  function call above, it might read as: "Read in an integer from the user and store it at the address of variable a ".

If you are trying to input a string using scanf, you should not include the & operator. The code below will produce a runtime error and the program will likely crash:

The correct usage would be:

This is because, whenever you use a format specifier for a string, the variable that you use to store the value will be an array and, the array names (in this case - a) themselves point out to their base address and hence, the address of operator is not required.

Note that using  to collect keyboard input from the user can make your code vulnerable to Buffer overflow issues and lead to other undesirable behavior if you are not very careful. Consider using  instead of.

Note on inputs: When data is typed at a keyboard, the information does not go straight to the program that is running. It is first stored in what is known as a buffer - a small amount of memory reserved for the input source. Sometimes there will be data left in the buffer when the program wants to read from the input source, and the  function will read this data instead of waiting for the user to type something. Some may suggest you use the function, which may work as desired on some computers, but isn't considered good practice, as you will see later. Doing this has the downfall that if you take your code to a different computer with a different compiler, your code may not work properly.

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Beech Bottom, Tennessee

Beech Bottom is an unincorporated community in Macon County, Tennessee, in the United States.

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Salta, Republic of Dagestan

Salta (Салта; СалтӀа) is a rural locality (a selo) in Gunibsky District, Republic of Dagestan, Russia. The population was 683 as of 2010.

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Talk:Dave Carlock

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Copyedit
Specifi issues are abbreviations per WP:ABBR and use of slashes per WP:SLASH. --Rogerb67 (talk) 00:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD tag without edit summary
is not helpful; nor is removal of cleanup templates that clearly apply, again without summary or talk page comment. Given the lack of justification for removing PROD, this article is going straight to AfD under the same rationale. Perhaps that will elicit helpful comment. --Rogerb67 (talk) 10:42, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Notability
Still tagged with notability - looks like the decision was keep. Can this be removed on main page? Ward99 (talk) 02:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

 * As this was discussed and the decision was keep, and the original tagger hasn't responded to my question about why this was still tagged this way, I have removed. Please response here if you have a issue with this.  Ward99 (talk) 21:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

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Cookbook:Fruit

 * Basic foodstuffs

The concept of a fruit in a culinary sense is fairly arbitrary, and it differs from the botanical sense of the word. Consequently, items that are botanically classified as fruits, but are usually referred to in cooking as "vegetables" (such as the tomato) will be in the vegetables section, and not here. For a discussion of the botanical vs. culinary definitions of that part of a plant called the "fruit" see  at Wikipedia.

Classification
Because foods considered fruits have a wide range of native habitats, characteristics, uses, and phylogenies, it is extremely difficult to divide them into discrete categories. This page addresses a few different characteristics.

Berries
In the culinary sense, berries are typically very small fruits, often (but always) with negligible seeds. It is a somewhat arbitrary category, and different cultures may have different definitions of the term. Culinary berries should not be confused with botanical berries.

Temperate fruits
Fruits of temperate climates are almost universally borne on trees or woody shrubs or lianas. They will not grow adequately in the tropics, as they need a period of cold (a chilling requirement) each year before they will flower. The apple, pear, cherry, and plum are the most widely grown and eaten, owing to their adaptability. Many other fruits are important regionally but do not figure prominently in commerce. Many sorts of small fruit on this list are gathered from the wild, just as they were in Neolithic times. The dominates the temperate fruits, both in numbers and in importance. The pome fruits, stone fruits, brambles, and strawberry are all members of Rosaceae.

Mediterranean and subtropical fruits
Fruits in this category are not hardy to extreme cold, as the preceding temperate fruits are, yet tolerate some frost and may have a modest chilling requirement. Notable among these are natives of the Mediterranean.

Tropical fruits
Tropical fruit share an intolerance of frost.

Use
Due to their sheer variety and diversity, fruits are used in a wide variety of cuisines. There exist many fruits that are edible and locally popular but for various reasons have not become widespread in their use. Often this is due to marketing considerations, more than anything.

Index
For an alphabetical list of fruits in the Cookbook, see Category:Fruits or browse below:

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