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SethBling

SethBling (born April 3, 1987) is an American video game commentator and Twitch video game live streamer known for YouTube videos focused around the 1990 side-scrolling platform video game Super Mario World and the 2011 sandbox video game Minecraft. He created original and derivative video games, devices and phenomena in Minecraft, without using Minecraft mods. He created an interpreter for the programming language BASIC and an emulator for the 1977 home video game console Atari 2600 in Minecraft. In addition to Minecraft builds that run without mods, he created plugins for the game.

SethBling wrote artificial intelligence programs that play Super Mario World, Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Kart. He held a world record of 41.35 seconds for Super Mario World until June 2020, and a former world record for The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. He achieved the world record for Super Mario World by using a glitch that enabled him to execute arbitrary code and skip to the game's credits. In 2015, he was the first to do so on a home video game console. He injected code to play a Flappy Bird-like game within Super Mario World on a stock Super Nintendo Entertainment System. He was the first to perform this kind of arbitrary code execution by hand. In 2017, Cooper Harasyn and SethBling created a jailbreak by hand using exploits to save a hex editor onto a read-only memory cartridge, allowing for creation of mods.

Early life
SethBling was raised Jewish, but has since become an atheist. He decided that he was an atheist sometime around when he was in elementary school, but "played along" through high school. SethBling's nickname is derived from his AIM screen name in high school.

SethBling started out programming his calculator in middle school and wrote "lots of" games throughout high school, including an MUD. SethBling wrote in 2012 that C# was his favorite programming language.

SethBling worked as a software engineer at Microsoft for three years, where he worked on Xbox, and for four months on Bing. SethBling said that his work at Xbox had not been related to video games, and that he had worked on the Xbox version of Internet Explorer, and on Xbox SmartGlass, a mobile phone app for remotely controlling an Xbox console.

Video games
SethBling played Super Mario Bros. 3 when he was five or six. Super Mario World was "one of the hot games" of his childhood. :67 SethBling had the Sega Genesis home video game console, and played a lot of Sonic the Hedgehog on it. :68

SethBling started playing Minecraft around September 2010, after college, after his roommate told him about it. The sandbox aspect was "very appealing" to SethBling, as he played MUDs in middle school and high school. SethBling thought the game was "really cool" and played it for about a month, after which he was "done with this game". A few months later, he bought a new computer and decided to play Minecraft again. SethBling got into the technical community and was quick to discover redstone, a programmable resource in Minecraft, and began uploading videos of his creations to YouTube weeks later. SethBling was inspired to use redstone in Minecraft because he wanted to build a minecart station. Inspired by other YouTube videos about Minecraft, SethBling created his first few videos to "get [his] money's worth" from the screen recording utility Fraps he bought. SethBling initially uploaded videos on YouTube in order to share his creations on Reddit. He did not expect to gain subscribers as a small channel with only a few videos. SethBling's YouTube channel greatly increased in popularity when Minecraft creator Markus Persson shared one of SethBling's videos on Twitter.

According to SethBling, he "almost never" played on consoles despite working at Xbox. Working at Microsoft, SethBling would spend almost all his free evenings and weekends playing Minecraft. SethBling quit his job at Microsoft around April 2012 because of his YouTube channel's success and has been independent since. :65

Minecraft career
Unless stated otherwise, all Minecraft builds mentioned in this section run on unmodded Minecraft, except modified block textures.

2011–2012
In 2011, SethBling recreated Duck Hunt using freshly introduced bow-charging mechanics in Minecraft. Engadget Jordan Mallory wrote that SethBling's replica "[manages] to capture the innocence and nostalgia of our 8-bit youths".

In February 2012, SethBling recreated the 1964 toy Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots, which consists of a red and a blue robot, within Minecraft. Mike Fahey of Kotaku praised the mechanics and described the robots as "movable though somewhat janky".

In March 2012, FVDisco and SethBling created Super Pirate Battle Royale, a Minecraft minigame for two teams where the goal is to sink the other team's ship using TNT. Also in 2012, SethBling created SkyGrid, a Minecraft map consisting of blocks only on every fourth coordinate in each axis.

In September 2012, SethBling and survival map maker Hypixel, the creator of the popular server Hypixel, recreated gameplay, maps, and the eight player classes from the first-person shooter (FPS) Team Fortress 2, within Minecraft. Each player class has its own perks, and can be changed during the game. Minecraft creator Markus Persson called the recreations "the most fun and impressive" in a 2013 interview with CNET.

2013–2014
In February 2013, SethBling made a mechanical bull in Minecraft. Also in February, SethBling recreated the 1981 arcade game Donkey Kong and its introductory cutscene in Minecraft. In the original Donkey Kong, players have to avoid falling barrels, but in SethBling's version, they have to avoid minecarts. Three months later, SethBling created an air hockey minigame for two players in Minecraft. It consists of a rink and an endlessly sliding object made of many minecarts.

SethBling's minigames have been featured on Minecraft Realms. One of them is Blocks vs. Zombies, a 2013 co-op tower defense minigame in which players shoot arrows to defeat incoming zombies in a trench. As players gain killstreaks, they may purchase upgraded weapons, arrow-shooting towers, barriers and traps for zombies. The game ends when a zombie pushes another zombie over the front edge of the field. Julian Benson of PCGamesN said that the minigame takes the "stronghold mentality" of Plants vs. Zombies, the traps of Orcs Must Die!, and the upgrade system of the FPS Killing Floor.

SethBling recreated the incremental game Cookie Clicker, released earlier in 2013. In 2014, SethBling recreated the sandbox video game Goat Simulator and the puzzle game Bejeweled in Minecraft. SethBling also recreated a spinning Stargate, a moving sand wave and the Microsoft Office assistant Clippy. In early 2014, SethBling wrote a pickpocketing plugin for Bukkit called BlingPickpocket. In May 2014, SethBling created a Minecraft portal which renders a portion of the other dimension behind it.

In late 2014, SethBling and Minecraft YouTuber Cubehamster created a minigame called Missile Wars where players from two teams spawn missiles to break through the opposite team's wall. The idea came from having a fight between two Cubehamster's Mega Gargantuas, giant robots with cannons and "missile launchers". The robots could shoot flame arrows, launch TNT blocks and shoot down incoming missiles. After the Mega Gargantua fight, Cubehamster wanted them to "turn [it] into a game which focuses on firing missiles at each other and trying to blow them up". In Missile Wars, players receive items which they can use to spawn missiles, and blow up, stop and defuse incoming missiles. Players can jump on missiles and ride them across the playfield. Cubehamster said that "subtle techniques" involving missile mechanics had made the game popular. According to Cubehamster, Missile Wars was built in two weeks and thoroughly tested afterwards. The game was featured on Minecraft Realms.

As a nod to Microsoft's 2014 acquisition of Mojang, SethBling recreated basic functionality of Minecraft in Microsoft Excel, which included navigation and crafting.

2015–2016
In 2015, SethBling created a Minecraft version of Splatoon Turf Wars mode. The Splatoon minigame is similar to the Wii U game, in that two teams of up to four players compete to paint as much of the ground and walls as possible in three minutes. SethBling got help from PyroPuncher because he had never played Splatoon on console. The Minecraft version features three of Splatoon main weapons.

In 2015, SethBling worked with Verizon to create a web browser and to introduce text messaging and video calling functionality to Minecraft.

In 2016, SethBling made an interpreter for the programming language BASIC in Minecraft. Programming many Minecraft command blocks to run the interpreter took him two weeks. The interpreter is slow and its speed declines with continued use; that is because Minecraft has a clock rate of 20 ticks per second. For example, printing a single character with the interpreter takes 20 seconds. The build features a virtual keyboard; a whiteboard, which displays the code; and a programmable turtle, which can mine and place blocks.

In late 2016, SethBling built an emulator for the 1977 home video game console, Atari 2600, in Minecraft. The emulator has 64 kB of functional random-access memory (RAM) which can be edited on the fly, and a functional 8-bit microprocessor based on the MOS Technology 6502; it also has functional and importable read-only memory (ROM). SethBling had the emulator run the original Atari 2600 read-only memory cartridges for the games Space Invaders, Pac-Man, and Donkey Kong. The ROM cartridge contains four kilobytes of data; each bit of RAM and ROM is represented by a Minecraft block. More than two thousand command blocks comprise the emulator's processor. The emulator is slow: the Assembly-based processor can complete only 20 instructions per second; in contrast, Atari's processor can execute 510,000 instructions per second (0.51 MIPS). While the Atari 2600 renders graphics at 60 frames, SethBling's emulator renders graphics at 60 frames on a virtual screen. The emulator does not have a controller, so games cannot be played on it.

SethBling created a resource pack for Minecraft Pocket Edition Alpha, which was released in October 2016. The "Add-On" was titled Castle Siege Battle and was criticized by Kotaku Robert Gurthrie for causing glitches.

2018–present
In January 2019, SethBling sped up the Atari 2600 emulator to a rendering speed of one frame per second. It then took him around fifteen minutes to "technically" tie the world record of 5.57 seconds for the racing video game Dragster.

Speedrunning
Until June 2020, SethBling held the world record of 41.35 seconds for the Credits Warp Any% speedrun category of Super Mario World. Players can use glitches to modify the game's RAM values, allowing them to write assembly code. When executed via arbitrary code execution, the code allows players to skip directly from the first level to the credits without having to defeat the game's boss. In 2015, SethBling was the first to execute the Credits Warp glitch on a home video game console, with a time of five minutes and 59 seconds, after Twitch streamer JeffW356 had successfully executed the glitch on an emulator. SethBling executed the glitch for the first time on console minutes after a Super Mario World world record was set without using arbitrary code execution. By successfully executing the glitch on a Super NES console, SethBling validated the faster, emulator run by JeffW356. SethBling used four controllers via two Super Multitap devices to finish the game in under one minute. He left specific buttons on the controllers pushed down to manipulate memory bytes and write certain code. In the game, SethBling executed certain actions and pixel-precise moves like duplicating Yoshi blocks and launching a red shell at a specific pixel.

SethBling holds a former world record for The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild without use of in-game unlockable bonuses enabled by Amiibo figurines, saying in 2017 that using the unlockables is "seen by casual audience members as 'cheating', but they also currently don't affect the run that much." In 2017, SethBling told Kotaku, "When I touch a game, I want to understand it."

Neural networks
In June 2015, SethBling wrote an artificial intelligence (AI) program called MarI/O that plays Super Mario World. The program is based on neuroevolution of augmenting topologies; thus, it generates neural networks using genetic algorithms. MarI/O is only given the level layout and the positions of obstacles, and is incentivized to emulate the fitness function moving as far to the right as possible, and as fast as possible. MarI/O tries 300 genomes per evolutionary generation, separated into species. Each genome produces a neural network, and only the most fit genomes are bred into the next generation. SethBling ran the program, and after 34 generations, which lasted 24 hours, MarI/O finished a level by spin-jumping through the entire level and avoiding all power-ups and enemies. MarI/O displays a graphical rendering of its underlying structure. A week later SethBling trained MarI/O to play Super Mario Bros. The program was not able to complete the first level of Super Mario Bros. because of complicated spatial movements required to jump over obstacles. MarI/O continuously played Super Mario Bros. for over 17 days.

In November 2017, SethBling built a recurrent neural network to play Super Mario Kart. He trained the program, MariFlow, with video footage in which he plays Super Mario Kart so that the program learns how to recover from dead-end situations. The video footage used for training MariFlow contains interactive sessions in which SethBling occasionally takes control of the character. MariFlow's goal is to emulate the video footage as closely as possible during gameplay.

Other ventures
In March 2016, SethBling injected Flappy Bird-like code written by p4plus2 into unmodified Super Mario World RAM on a stock Super Nintendo Entertainment System with a stock cartridge, in under an hour. SethBling first extended the level timer and used a power-up incrementation glitch to allow external code to run. He added code to display Mario's x-coordinate which acted as memory locations in the code he was writing. SethBling then created a bootloader to be able to launch the Flappy Bird-like code that he would later write into unused memory with precise Mario movements and spin-jumping. SethBling used two Super Multitap devices in order to use multiple controllers, which had several buttons pressed down. The arbitrary code execution setup that SethBling used was discovered by MrCheeze. Super Mario World had been modified to emulate other games before by automatically feeding pre-recorded controller input into the console via a computer, but SethBling was the first to do it exclusively by hand.

SethBling and Cooper Harasyn placed a full hex editor and gameplay mods onto a stock Super Mario World cartridge in May 2017, only using standard controller inputs. Harasyn discovered an exploit that lets a player write data to 256-byte save files that are permanently stored on a Super Mario World cartridge. The data can be arranged so that the game is jailbroken every time it starts up. Harasyn and SethBling used the exploit to create a compact, on-screen hex editor, loadable from a save file. A player can edit the system RAM through the hex editor to alter the game state. In-game mods, such as support for the Super NES Mouse and giving Mario telekinesis powers, can be written to a save file using the hex editor.

On December 5, 2015, SethBling acted as a coach in "Clash of Karts: Mario Kart 8", a one-hour eSports special on Disney XD.

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Talk:David A. Christian

Further Avenues for Research/work needed
1. Google books: Ignore Victor Six obviously, and don't confuse him with the history professor. Christian's work seems to have gotten covered in several books. Political Almanac and Politics in America should provide enough info for Senate campaign. Also he's mentioned a bit in Bias.

2. Google News:

He seems to have generated coverage for a long time. With how acrimonious the 2 senate campaigns were, it's likely somebody went digging into his military record. Should be an easy way to verify the awards list.

3. Find VA and Congressional advisor documentation if possible.

4. Vietnam memorial involvement/speech

5. Worst case scenario "Boomer Gen" mentions him testifying before Congress with all medals. Maybe the congressman presenting him read highlights into Congressional Record?

Horrorshowj 03:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I am responding to Horrorshowj and EarthPerson on your questions and on Mr. Christian's support for the Vietnam Memorial. Please contact Jan Scruggs (founder of the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for his statement of David. Scruggs is quoted on the back of the book Victor Six saying "Dave Christian was a significant part of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial effort in Washington. When the memorial came under attack, "Dave Christian" charged forward. The Nation and I will always be thankful for Dave's courage." David worked on veteran's affairs under the Carter Administration until his outspokeness got him fired. When David was offered the head of the VA under the Reagan administration, he turned it down because he would not be able to function freely to get the benefits for our veterans and he pursued other avenues to get those benefits and was successful. 1. I can forward to you the pages of the letter to President Reagan. 2. See "The Bulletin" of Philadelphia and you will note the coverage of turning down the job was on the front page above the fold in the 4th largest newspaper in the United States at the time. 3. See - New York Times, Jan. 25, 1979 above the fold FRONT PAGE. "Highly Decorated Veteran Ousted". 4. See - New York Times Archives. for example- NY Times Magazine 5. People Magazine - time frame 1980. 6. Fox News - I can forwarded you his ID credentials. 7. US Senate Credentials - I can forward these ID credentials, too. 8. Please Note - he received his commission at Officer Candidate School, Ft, Benning, GA. 9. He received the Combat Infantry Badge from serving with the Long Range Recon Patrol, Ist INf Div, Viet Nam.

Please feel free to verify, edit and add this information to his info page. Let me know if you want me to e-mail you the documents I have for verification and a nation of veterans will be thankful for your assistance. Serinwing 03:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)serinwing

I am responding to Horrorshowj and EarthPerson on your questions and on Mr. Christian's support for the Vietnam Memorial. Please contact Jan Scruggs (founder of the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for his statement of David. Scruggs is quoted on the back of the book Victor Six saying "Dave Christian was a significant part of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial effort in Washington. When the memorial came under attack, "Dave Christian" charged forward. The Nation and I will always be thankful for Dave's courage." David worked on veteran's affairs under the Carter Administration until his outspokeness got him fired. When David was offered the head of the VA under the Reagan administration, he turned it down because he would not be able to function freely to get the benefits for our veterans and he pursued other avenues to get those benefits and was successful. 1. I can forward to you the pages of the letter to President Reagan. 2. See "The Bulletin" of Philadelphia and you will note the coverage of turning down the job was on the front page above the fold in the 4th largest newspaper in the United States at the time. 3. See - New York Times, Jan. 25, 1979 above the fold FRONT PAGE. "Highly Decorated Veteran Ousted". 4. See - New York Times Archives. for example- NY Times Magazine 5. People Magazine - time frame 1980. 6. Fox News - I can forwarded you his ID credentials. 7. US Senate Credentials - I can forward these ID credentials, too. 8. Please Note - he received his commission at Officer Candidate School, Ft, Benning, GA. 9. He received the Combat Infantry Badge from serving with the Long Range Recon Patrol, Ist INF Div, Viet Nam. Do not ignore the word "Youngest" when sourcing the Most Decorated Army Officer. The Army has no other. If anyone wants to verify this info...let me know. I know this man personally and this is only a snipet of what he has done and still does.Serinwing 11:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)serinwing

Strong Keep
I did not do the first creation on this page, but when I found it, I did a minor spelling edit. Those of you who are well developed in Wikipedia editing that I contacted and provided proof of claims for all of Mr. Christian's accomplishments, I await your reply. He definitely is the Youngest and most decorated American Officer of the Vietnam War. That fact alone warrants his mention, even without all of the other notable and verifiable events. If you want more proof and want to go a step further, I will provide you with a real live military historian....not one that claims to be one..but somebody that still lives an active military life. Any editor on this site, with the ability to properly document, I welcome your expert assistance.Serinwing 18:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)serinwing

Strong Keep
I have known Captain David A. Christian, U.S. Army (Retired) since 1990 and have accompanied him on numerous and hazardous assignments overseas. His quiet and strong leadership while on these assignments really came through when needed. Contrary to Wikipedia contributors Nobunaga24, Blueboy96, Charlene, Dhartung, Hu, Kirill, Metropolitan90, and Darrenhusted; David doesn't seek out the public spotlight but only when it requires him to provide his expertise. In regard to the statement that multiple decorations have been awarded to other members of the U.S. Armed Forces, David A. Christian was awarded all of his decorations prior to his 20th birthday and in less than 12 months of the required U.S. Army tour of duty in South Vietnam. This does make him notable in U.S. military history! David A. Christian was originally set to be selected as the Administrator of the Veterans Adminstration during the first Reagan Administration but when he was told that he would have to state that there was nothing to the complaints about Agent Orange and that he would have to accept the cuts in the VA budget by then OMB Director, David Stockman; he refused. The subsequent individual to head it was Robert P. Nimmo, who forced then Deputy Administrator of the VA, Chuck Hagel (currently U.S. Senator from Nebraska) to resign over Nimmo's negative comments about Agent Orange and the Vet Centers. Former members of David A. Christian's platoon have been instrumental in attempting to have his DSC upgraded to the Medal of Honor. Papers have been located that weren't part of the original submitted paperwork and they are making their way through the awards system. The term "shock and awe" was penned by David A. Christian in his book, Victor Six. On Page 71 of the book; he described the "shock and awe" of a B-52 strike on his platoon's position. Former Presidential Advisor, Ari Flescher, borrowed those words from Victor Six and the rest, as one would say, is history. David A. Christian gave Ari Flescher his first job in politics as his campaign manager and is photographed in David's book. The original publisher of Victor Six, McGraw Hill, now only publishes magazines and textbooks. I'm the military historian that serinwing mentions in her entry above.````militaryhistorywriter````
 * Dude, relax, the nomination is over with no consensus, therefore it's a keep. I'm not going to renominate it, and the article is much, much better now than before. If you want to understand why it was considered to be a fluff piece, take a look here - --Nobunaga24 00:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear Nobunaga24, I'm not your dude (this is what happens when you watch Jeff Spicoli of Fast Times At Ridgemont High for too long) and to compare Captain David A. Christian to the accomplishments and decorations of generals and admirals is like comparing apples to oranges. Militaryhistorywriter 15:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)militaryhistorywriterMilitaryhistorywriter 15:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Dear militaryhistorywriter, use the 4 tildes once--Nobunaga24 03:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Militaryhistorywriter 12:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)militaryhistorywriterMilitaryhistorywriter 12:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

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Main photo bears incorrect caption; uniform out of regs
The caption below the main photo states "Christian in his Army dress uniform". This is incorrect. First, because that nomenclature is wrong; the US Army doesn't have a "dress uniform". It has a service uniform, and it has "mess dress". What he's depicted wearing is the Class-A Army Service Uniform (ASU) with bow tie (which may be worn after retreat). Second, the US Army has never authorized the wearing of more than one example of the same medal. Christian is depicted wearing no fewer than seven Purple Hearts! No matter how many times a soldier is wounded and awarded the Purple Heart, only one example is ever worn at the same time. He's also wearing two separate Silver Stars and two Bronze Stars. This is absolutely against regulation. If a soldier is awarded multiples of the same medal, they wear one example, with a small bronze oak leaf on the ribbon or medal's suspension ribbon, for each additional award, or a star for five awards. So in order for his uniform to be within regulations, he should be wearing ONE Purple Heart with a star and an oak leaf, ONE Silver Star with an oak leaf, ONE Bronze Star with an oak leaf, etc. Bricology (talk) 09:05, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

 * Agreed. Not sure what the circumstance was for the photo. I changed the caption. MartinezMD (talk) 23:31, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

The above is correct. He was probably asked to hang all of the medals at the same time just for a photo, and that seems fine just to deliver to the viewer the full impact of his service. But yeah, it is against the regs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 16:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

 * The picture is, frankly, horrible. I wish we had an official photo or something to use instead. This just looks sloppy...something you'd see in a community theatre production of some sort. Intothatdarkness 23:29, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

"extraordinary heroism" is mentioned 4 times
I'm tempted to remove at least 3 of them. Extraordinary heroism is the only cause to be awarded the Distinguished Service Cross as far as I can tell. Wich itself is mentioned 5 times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerdolfo (talk • contribs) 12:54, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

number of oak leaves in purple heart
Hi there an greetings from germany. I'm not quite familiar with your medals and awards, but it's written here and stated on his homepage that he reveived 7 purple heart medals. If I understand the oak leaf cluster system correctly, there should be "Purple Heart with One Silver and one Bronze Oak Leaf Clusters" but on this page it's written "Purple Heart with One Silver and two Bronze Oak Leaf Clusters". If I'm right here, please correct it. Best regards. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 21:38, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

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Template:BlockUsername

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The result of the debate was delete (now userfied, however) -- Pilotguy (roger that) 12:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Currently unused template created by User:Son_of_a_Peach because he apparently wants to tell other users with inappropriate usernames that they will be blocked (see User_talk:JoanneB). Inappropriate usernames should just be brought up at WP:AIAV or WP:AN/I. We don't have such a high inappropriate-username-hunting-non-administrator-to-administrator ratio that this template and the categories are needed. A warning before blocking is useful for unintentional inappropriateness, but this is not a warning - with wording like "Administrators: After blocking this account..." and categories like Category:Wikipedia inappropriate username blocks to enforce; it's basically saying "you are about to be blocked", from someone who can't enforce it himself. —Quarl (talk) 2006-08-11 19:12Z
 * Delete. I can see the good intentions behind it, but I don't think this is a good idea. Bringing it up at WP:AIV works quite well and probably quite a lot faster than a template like this, as admins can't place a category on their watchlist to see what's added to it. --JoanneB 07:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per JoanneB --Doc 17:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Support, and who deleted my previous vote? S  oa  P  14:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. What if an admin disagrees with the template? By that time, a new editor could be scared away. And would we see new users being blocked for removing this template from their user page? All in all, very many down sides, no appreciable ups. ➨  ЯEDVERS  18:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - although, looking at it now, it has been userfied and the two categories have been populated. I think that means this is closed and off we go to MfD. ➨  ЯEDVERS  18:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed: SoaP moved Template:BlockUsername to User:Son of a Peach/BlockUsername: Userfied to avoid a fate worse than vandalism (death). I think it was a bad idea to do the move during this TFD discussion. —Quarl (talk) 2006-08-15 20:52Z
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Template:No sides

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The result of the debate was userfy/delete -- Pilotguy (roger that) 12:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC) Kind of a nonsense template, little or no meaning, mostly just a personal essay in template space--<IP_ADDRESS> 02:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it's boilerplate text that I plan to subst into a lot of talk pages. --Uncle Ed 13:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Userfy/Delete unless there's some really good reason for making it a template. BigDT 15:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete: It seems quite vague, and its points are covered in policy like WP:AGF and WP:POINT. — G a ry Kirk | talk! 14:46, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'd feel better about deleting this if there were something at Category:Neutrality templates that performed the same function, that is, to provide a rote message about WP:NPOV for talk pages. --M @ r ē ino 22:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
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Template:FairuseF1

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'''I went ahead and redirect this to Template:No license and protected the F1 template from reverting. Now we know what images for us to shoot later on.''' User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 16:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

It marks an image as a "Fair use Formula One image", but I fail to see what this means. The template's text does not explains in which cases the use of the tagged image is believe to qualify as fair use.Abu Badali 01:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete "Formula One" is not a license. It isn't even a special case of some license.  If people want to sort unfree "Formula One" images, this isn't the right way to do it; don't use a template that looks anything like one of our fair use boilerplate license templates.   Jkelly 01:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Delete: There's nothing special about images of Formula One subjects that makes use of them more likely to meet Wikipedia's policy -- if anything, the opposite is true. --Carnildo 01:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, not a useful categorization. Christopher Parham (talk) 03:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Template:No license, not useful for categorization. (Please don't delete; it's more useful to have things properly tagged as having no license, or so I gather.) —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 04:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - this template tells nothing about the copyright status of the image. The fact that the subject of the photo has to do with Formula One doesn't make the image qualify for fair use.  BigDT 15:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

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All FIFA World Cup squad templates

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The result of the debate was no consensous, revert to keep -- Pilotguy (roger that) 12:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Template:Angola Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Argentina Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Australia Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Brazil Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Costa Rica Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Croatia Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Czech Republic Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Côte d'Ivoire Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Ecuador Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:England Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:France Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Germany Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Ghana Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Iran Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Italy Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Japan Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Mexico Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Netherlands Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Paraguay Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Poland Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Portugal Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Saudi Arabia Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Serbia and Montenegro Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:South Korea Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Spain Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Sweden Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Switzerland Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Togo Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Trinidad and Tobago Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Tunisia Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Ukraine Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:United States Squad 2006 World Cup
 * Template:Argentina Squad 2002 World Cup
 * Template:Brazil Squad 2002 World Cup
 * Template:Croatia Squad 2002 World Cup
 * Template:England Squad 2002 World Cup
 * Template:France Squad 2002 World Cup
 * Template:Italy Squad 2002 World Cup
 * Template:Japan Squad 2002 World Cup
 * Template:Republic of Ireland Squad 2002 World Cup
 * Template:Turkey Squad 2002 World Cup
 * Template:Argentina Squad 1998 World Cup
 * Template:Jamaica Squad 1998 World Cup
 * Template:Croatia Squad 1998 World Cup
 * Template:England Squad 1998 World Cup
 * Template:France Squad 1998 World Cup
 * Template:Italy Squad 1998 World Cup
 * Template:Bulgaria Squad 1998 World Cup
 * Template:Yugoslavia Squad 1998 World Cup
 * Template:Argentina Squad 1994 World Cup
 * Template:Italy Squad 1994 World Cup
 * Template:Bulgaria Squad 1994 World Cup
 * Template:Argentina Squad 1990 World Cup
 * Template:Cameroon Squad 1990 World Cup
 * Template:England Squad 1990 World Cup
 * Template:Italy Squad 1990 World Cup
 * Template:West Germany Squad 1990 World Cup
 * Template:Yugoslavia Squad 1990 World Cup
 * Template:Argentina Squad 1986 World Cup
 * Template:England Squad 1986 World Cup
 * Template:Italy Squad 1986 World Cup
 * Template:Argentina Squad 1982 World Cup
 * Template:England Squad 1982 World Cup
 * Template:Italy Squad 1982 World Cup
 * Template:Argentina Squad 1978 World Cup
 * Template:Italy Squad 1978 World Cup
 * Template:Netherlands Squad 1978 World Cup
 * Template:Argentina Squad 1974 World Cup
 * Template:Australia Squad 1974 World Cup
 * Template:Italy Squad 1974 World Cup
 * Template:Netherlands Squad 1974 World Cup
 * Template:Brazil Squad 1970 World Cup
 * Template:Italy Squad 1970 World Cup
 * Template:Argentina Squad 1966 World Cup
 * Template:England Squad 1966 World Cup
 * Template:Argentina Squad 1962 World Cup
 * Template:Argentina Squad 1958 World Cup
 * Template:Spain Squad 2002 World Cup
 * Template:Portugal Squad 2002 World Cup

After much dicussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football, they have been deemed surplus to recquirements, and annoying and useless, as the only duplicate information already contained in the relevant articles on the competitions, the players, and the teams, so basically they are duplications of information, not to mention the growing numbers of them are cluttering the relevant articles. In a pre-emptive vote to check the stance of people on them, they vote was 12:3 in favour of deletion. Along with this any continental one that may spring up at future dates, any of the same concept that I have missed, and any that are yet to be made, or will be re-created. Philc TECI 15:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

 * IMPORTANT I would like to bring to peoples attention that we are not proposing the deletion of the information from Wikipedia, just these templates. The information will remain of articles such as this. Which is adequate enough.  Philc  TECI 19:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Delete

 * 1) Delete - per discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football, and per nom Philc  TECI 15:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Delete all as per discussion on WikiProject Football. Qwghlm 16:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Delete all. Categories are fine, but templates should go, or else we get one hell of a mess at the bottom of articles like Thierry Henry. Oldelpaso 17:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Delete all per discussion on WikiProject: Football. Bruno18 17:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Delete all per WP:WPF discussion and per nom. – Elisson • Talk 18:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Delete all - pointless clutter. - fchd 21:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) *How is it pointless? It presents information. Are you calling the squad templates pointless too then? MonsterOfTheLake 00:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) Delete all. They are redundant to the World Cup squad list articles and the World Cup players categories...Wikiproject Football doesn't want them...The first (for WC2006) were created with the intention of being deleted after the World Cup...Delete before they spread to other competitions.   Slumgum   T.   C. ''  21:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 9) Delete all, per the discussion on the WikiProject talk page. I actually created a large number of these templates, but I never meant for them to remain after the World Cup had finished.  jaco ♫ plane  22:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 10) *I just noticed that templates like Template:West Germany Squad 1990 World Cup have also been nominated for deletion. I am changing my view to Delete all except for the champions. I think that all teams that won the world cup should have this template on their article. Please dump the rest though... jaco ♫ plane  23:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 11) Delete all, per the discussion on the WikiProject talk page. BlueValour 23:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 12) Strong Delete The 2006 World Cup is well over now and all the other World cups are even more over. All you need is a mention in text on pages not whole templates that just clutter. SenorKristobbal 10:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 13) Delete As the articles already exist listing squads, don't see reason for keeping historical squad templates Dodge 04:26, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 14) Delete most - these cause so much clutter (see Paolo Maldini as noted above), but I like Dan1980 and jaco's suggestion of keeping the winning squad templates. Those seem pretty notable and highly unlikely to cause the clutter problem we currently have. --Loudsox 13:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 15) Delete all. Completely useless duplication of info. - Pal 18:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 16) Delete all. Basically Philc's second bulleted comment at the top says it all for me. They are clutter. The historical information is better served on squad pages. Yes they can be useful, but so is a simple link to the appropriate section of the appropriate World Cup squads page - such a link can also be incorporated into the prose, and keeps the relevent infomation on the relevent pages. aLii 01:41, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 17) Delete, as distracting and minorly useful clutter. Why does everything need its own nav box these days. Flowerparty ☀ 03:21, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 18) Delete, as a more useful national team template would be the current international squad. This could then be overwritten accordingly for each new squad, so that occassionally a player will have no international template if he is withdrawn/injured, etc. I'd prefer a standard international template, e.g. Template:Scotland football squad, which would show the current squad. The bulk of the squad would stay the same so would only require minor editing on individual player pages. Fedgin 15:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 19) Delete, There are much, MUCH better ways for article navigation than this. -- Ned Scott 05:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 20) Delete A player's teammates have little to no relevance to the individual's biography. If ever an article were written about me, I'd be aghast if it were adorned by links to my work colleagues. Even more so if the links were not just from my current job, but from my previous ones as well! ⁂veila# 07:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Keep

 * 1) Strong keep all. I can not fathom the reasons as to why anyone would think these are useless. The only problem would be if a player is in 3+ squads. If it's such a huge bother (it's not), we can set it up like other templates, so it can be expanded. But definitely keep the squad list. The information is NOT widely available, I don't think any team page lists the squads they had at other tournaments, only the current ones. Categories are bloated and useless, yet these allow for easy navigation and access to information. VERY strong keep unless someone can give a legit reason as to why these should be deleted. MonsterOfTheLake 19:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) *Are pages such as this, 1990 FIFA World Cup squads, not good enough? Philc  TECI 19:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) **No, because there is no link from (for example) Walter Zenga article to 1990 FIFA World Cup squads.--Kwame Nkrumah 08:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) KEEP ALL. Categories are unorganized and poorly edited. Just find a measure to deal with a player appearing on too many squads, if that is too much of a problem. Waya 5 20:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) *Categories "unorganized and poorly edited" are they? Guess what, anyone can edit wikipedia, so fix them. Philc  TECI 19:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) **Yes, instead of keeping a fast, easy solution that's also pleasing to look at; let's edit the entire wiki category engine. Great call. MonsterOfTheLake 19:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) ***No, just make a subcategory. You can you know, its not difficult, no messing with wiki-engines or anything. Dont be such a smartass. Philc  TECI 20:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) ****Right, because subcategories are EASIER to navigate than categories. Are you still making a comparison between the ease of accessibility of a template right on the page and category pages? MonsterOfTheLake 00:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 9) KEEP ALL as per Waya 5 and MonsterOfTheLake's reasons Kingjamie 19:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 10) *If you want to delete these World Cup templates then you should also delete squad templates as well as the Template:Aston Villa F.C. Squad is the same as Aston Villa F.C. page details. Kingjamie 19:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 11) **Look all of this has been discussed here, maybe you should take a look before saying something. For one reason, teams like aston villa still exist. World cup squads do not. Philc  TECI 20:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 12) STRONG KEEP templates are not overly distracting and are very useful to jump around members of a team. Few players, if any, have more than 3 World Cup appearances and it helps to tie information together in a friendly format. ~JuanD —The preceding unsigned comment was added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk • contribs) . — Possible single purpose account: <IP_ADDRESS> (talk • contribs)  has made little or no other contributions outside this topic.
 * 13) * 18 players have competed in four or more World Cups, and this, together with all other templates (for example, do you want templates for the European Championships too?) makes page design look bad, and is not overly helpful as the categories and text gives you enough info anyway. – Elisson • Talk 20:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 14) Strong Keep per my own feelings that these are useful information boxes. Batman2005 20:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 15) Strong Keep These are very useful information boxes. -- S iva1979 Talk to me  20:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 16) Weak Keep Discussd before, Should standardize instead of delete. Matt86hk  talk  20:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 17) *What are you proposing? They are standardized, they are pretty much all the same layout etc. Just that they're useless. Philc  TECI 21:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 18) Keep - They should always be put at the bottom of the article just above the categories, so that they don't impose the need for scrolling to reach the useful info and don't add that much clutter. Big players' articles usually have much less useful parts. I find them useful for quick navigation and a first-look indication that the player took part in the respective competition. They are also quite visually appealing - this should not be underestimated. There are people that visit wikipedia incidentally and stuff like this can make a difference - first impression is important. Most infoboxes on wikipedia contain information that is already present somewhere else - should we remove them all? These templates weren't created with the idea to contain uniqie information in the first place. --Dstoykov 23:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 19) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|Oppose|15px]] Oppose – or, in fact, a partial oppose. I oppose the deletion of current/latest templates for World Cup squads, as they are used widely and of high interest (and therefore navigationally valuable).  I support the deletion of older templates. So currently I would support keeping 2006 squads, deleting the older ones. -- Wantok 02:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 20) *as they are used widely and of high interest (and therefore navigationally valuable)
 * 21) **And how, praytell, are pre-2006 templates not EXACTLY that? MonsterOfTheLake 04:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 22) ***It's a question of balancing usefulness against clutter - and thus, of how frequently used the templates are. Those that are used often are worth keeping, justifying their space on the page.  I believe that the templates of the latest World Cup squads are used enough to keep, and the others not so, but it's a subjective judgement call, of course.  It's been stated that information will not be lost through any of this - just accessed a different way. -- Wantok 05:32, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 23) Strong Keep. I've used these templates to navigate a lot. What's the point is deleting stuff that's useful? By that logic, go ahead and delete all the special pages, the navigation links on the left, and everyone's watchlist. Deleting the templates here would be undoubtedly opposed by me heavily. Esteffect 02:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 24) Keep per above. Couldn't have said it any better myself. Squadoosh 08:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 25) Keep If we delete these templates, why don't we delete all the club squad templates just as well? I think these templates can be very helpful.--Vitriden 18:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 26) *Because the clubs still exist!? <IP_ADDRESS> 19:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 27) **Club squad templates have current squads. These are past squads. A better comparison would be to keep club templates for all previous seasons. As you will read above, these templates were created for a specific reason that is now gone. Recording squads for WCs is fine; but better done as editorial. BlueValour 19:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 28) Keep They enable navigation and identification of players in a more informative way than categories on their own would. Overall I see no big issue with the templates myself. Ans e ll  01:02, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 29) Keep I understand the "clutter" issue but most of the players in these squads only have stubs or short articles attached. A (very small) minority have long articles with a lot of info on the page. Personally, I use these templates all the time to navigate and to see the various links between players' international and clubs careers. I find them very useful! It would be much harder to find the info on Wikipedia without them. Compromise? The list of individual players could be removed (less clutter) but the top section of the template could be kept as a kind of banner - which would then link to the team list on a separate page? Just an idea, as I don't favour complete removal. (Sorry, forgot to log in before) Madsqueak 01:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 30) Keep All. Clutter can be resolved by collapsing tables on pages where more than one table is featured. Instinkt 03:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 31) STRONG Keep. Templates are for easy reference.-- Tdxi an  g   Jimbo's 40th Birthday!  04:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 32) Keep - useful. Guettarda 04:42, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 33) Keep. These templates are useful for navigation and present information in a clear and concise way. Kelso21 17:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 34) Keep - I use these on a regular basis when just randomly browsing. They're incredibly useful. KingStrato 17:17, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 35) Keep. They are useful... —dima /sb.tk/ 20:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 36) Strong Keep for all of 2006, all medal holders of previous years. Delete other. --Monk 05:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 37) *IMPORTANT and I wish to notice that if any template is to be deleted, MAKE SURE you place information from it (squad, shirt numbers at least!) into the corresponding article! --Monk 05:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 38) Keep, templates are compact and useful for navigation. If to delete, then we should delete all the susecion boxes that serve a similar purpose. Mariano (t/c) 06:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 39) Keep, per Mariano. Mxcatania 14:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 40) Keep All, I'm agreed with many other keep reasons. These templates are very useful and they provide comfortable navigation.Repli cant 18:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 41) Keep and add hide/show function to all. --Bob 20:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 42) Keep and add hide function per Bob. Hardrada 21:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 43) Keep --Sina 21:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 44) Weak keep. They are nice and useful for notable squads, but notability is unfortunately not easy to define. I'd like to see a JavaScript-collapsed version of the template in the future. GregorB 22:15, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 45) Keep. To be honest, I've found them useful. I think it would be nice if someone went through and added a hide option though. ==> [dM] 09:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 46) Keep, add collapse table/hide function though Onomatopoeia 21:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 47) Strong Keep I think that if smeone put time and effort into creating them, they should not be deleted. Besides, they are useful for quick reference, I have found. King fish erswift  14:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * As I stated above, I put quite a lot of time and effort in creating these templates (amongst others,               .. and many club templates as well) I never thought that these templates would be used after the world cup had finished. Seeing as this discussion is leaning towards keep, I'm actually really regretting putting that time and effort in to something that I don't want to see kept indefinitely on these articles.  jaco ♫ plane  18:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * As the creator of the oldest one and also someone who intended them to be deleted a few months after the WC, I would also like to express my dismay that a single person wants them kept.  Will they complete the missing templates and add them to every player page?    Slumgum   T.   C. ''  19:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll definately make some, if required. I think we should get some people together t make them and put them on player articles. King fish erswift  10:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Did you read what he said? I mean I've heard of selective hearing, but really.... Philc  TECI 17:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Keep, good support to navigation.--Kwame Nkrumah 23:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Keep, pr Kwame Nkrumah.--imi2 17:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Keep but modify, I appreciate that all the information in the templates is also available in the body of the article, but I do feel that the templates give a good overview that is useful if a reader doesn't have time to go through the entire article. However, I completely agree that the templates as they stand provide too much clutter, and therefore defeat the purpose of summarising information. I saw somewhere, I think on the talk page for Wikiproject Football, that someone had worked out a way to make these templates collapsable. My opinion is that every play should have a collapsable template for every World Cup/Euro Championships/South American equivalent (if there is one), as well as a collapsable template for their current club squad number. These should be collapsed by default but the option to expand should be very clear. As far as I can tell, that would mean that even the most succesful player's templates would take up the room of around 2 of the current templates, assuming that player plays at three world cups and three euros and that the collapsable template takes up one third of the space of the current templates. If this is too much, then I am sure collapsable templates could be designed which only filled one half of the page width, but which were higher (when expanded) to allow enough room for all of the information. This would not be clutter, but a very clear and useful overview of the competitions that player has played in and, if the reader wants, of the players he played alongside. This sort of information has been very useful for me when working on the Pele article. --Jim (Talk) 18:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Keep, good support to navigation.-- Alex Feldstein 15:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Comment/Neutral/Other
 * IMPORTANT I would like to bring to people's attention that these templates are wildly useful, and make navigating a lot easier. They also look great, not at all ugly, bloated, or cluttered; yet features a lot of information in a tiny box. So far, the only reasonable argument from the delete side has been the fact that if a player has been in 2+ Cups, a multitude of these templates would look bloated/ugly. Adding a hide/show feature, such as the one on Template:Europe, would be more than enough to remedy this situation. So I propose that the templates are kept, but are added a hide/show switch to the default one so they won't look bloated when there are 2+. There are many reasons to keep these, as they present information in an easily accessible way, which is a fundamental strength of Wikipedia itself. Also note that the only way to access the information these templates present are bloated pages that list every single team, with numerous images. It's ludicrous to force users to access this information from those pages alone, when we have a very nice, useful little method that virtually produces a masterful article. MonsterOfTheLake 23:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

 * That is completely POV. They are not definitively wildly useful, or make navigating a lot easier. They also do not necesarily look great they are ugly, bloated, and cluttered. The fact is this is not only about these templates, but keeping these will allow them to be made for anything, beofre you know it there will be squads for everything, UEFA, Champions LEague, Fa Cup, League Cup, Premiership, EUROs, copa america, AFC cup of nations, club world championship, super cups, federations cups, EURO qualifying squads, Wolrd Cup qualifying squads, and the fact is we dont need it. There is not need to navigate around the 1998 World Cup squad from David Beckham. If you want to see the squad, go to the article, squad article, it does not need to be copied onto 30 ither pages. Philc  TECI 13:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

 * The best example of this useless clutter can be seen at pages such as Paolo Maldini. Bruno18 18:09, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) *Comment Someone added hide option on these template, but reverted. And someone created AC Milan 2003 Winning squad Template before and deleted. ALL squad template should standardized when to create. Should UEFA Euro 2008 squad will create? Need someone create Wiki policy. As previous log, i think keeping winning squad ans special team is ok. Like Jamaican and Trinidad and Tobago, their first World Cup also may be the last one.
 * 2) **the hide option is annoying to people with javascript as it shows a lot of random jibberish, and included in the original nomination is the inclusion of all potential other national team templates (any other competitions), as for club templates, that is a seperate matter for now, though the general consensus is for current club templates only. Philc  TECI 22:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) ***The hide option is on the page of EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY, as they are on the continent boxes. That argument is not valid at all. MonsterOfTheLake 00:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) ****o Template:Italy 2004 u21 squad, Template:Netherlands 2006 u21 squad should involved?. Matt86hk  talk  19:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Comment, Leaning Delete all - There are good reasons for both keeping and deleting them but I still feel that neither side has presented a strong argument. However, pending a decision on this, certain historic national team squads have World Cup templates as well, such as those at the bottom of Johan_Cruijff's page, while others don't. This should probably be standardized for all articles--either keep the templates or get rid of them in all of the articles. I would also argue against getting rid of these templates for clubs' current players as a separate issue. -- Palffy 23:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Keep winning squads, Delete all others. The templates are very useful for navigating, but having loads on a page looks a mess, so we should just keep the most notable ones. Dan1980 (talk | stalk) 08:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) Silly question - I clicked on three of them at random and they seem to be widely used. I'm only interested in football, not the other football, so I don't care that much ... but is the plan to replace them with a common template or just remove that information?  I think that kind of navigational template is very useful and would hate to see the information go away.  (I don't want to stand in the way of what you guys want to do, though, so put me down for neutral.) BigDT 16:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) *The information is there on the relevant articles, we are removing these duplicates of the information. None of these teams exist anymore, they are created for a single tournaments (a few weeks and disbanded) full squad lists are viewable on the team pages, and historical ones on the competitions they competed in. After discussion it was decided that we would limit it to one per page, the players current club squad. Philc  TECI 16:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 9) It is new! Template:Spain Squad 2002 World Cup & *Template:Portugal Squad 2002 World Cup Matt86hk  talk  11:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 10) Comment. I think the Keep reasons here are particularly poor. They amount to "I've clicked on one of these links, so they should all be kept"  or are tantamount to saying "every competition a player has played in needs a template because they are inherently useful". The reason we are trying to get these templates deleted now is so that they are nipped in the bud before every competition does indeed have a template. We are already seeing such clutter as Template:2003 AC Milan Squad (did actually get deleted) and Template:Rangers F.C. greatest. If new editors go to their favourite player's page and see four of these templates I'd posit that there's a very high chance they'll think that adding more is a good idea. Templates can be good. Succession boxes can be good. However we don't need to see twenty of them on the same page. We don't want to see every medal ever awarded being treated in this way. Yes the World Cup is more important than most, but it still shouldn't clutter up thousands of pages other than the main World Cup competition pages. Someone said that you can't get from Walter Zenga to 1990 FIFA World Cup squads without a template. That's just using a poorly written Walter Zenga article as an excuse to clutter every other football article! aLii 12:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * "That's just using a poorly written Walter Zenga article as an excuse to clutter every other football article"?? Try again, you might be luckier. It was stated that the information carried by the templates would be not lost with their deletion, since it is carried by articles like 1990 FIFA World Cup squads. Yet neither Zenga nor other players (exept an obscure US team member) are linked to that page; Even worse, that page is only linked to other list of squads! It looks like your arguments are rather 'poor.--Kwame Nkrumah 13:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed. The Zenga article isn't linked to it because the editors of the article didn't think it important enough to write the squad link into the prose. Instead the actual tournament is linked. Most other players are linked similarly I guess, and from the World Cup page you can find all the information you could possibly want, including the squads.
 * My main problem with these templates is the precedent it sets. Where does it stop? The European Football Championship is pretty notable, so is the UEFA Champions League. Perhaps the FIFA Club World Cup? Plus all the "greatest team" type templates that are popping up. Sigh. aLii 21:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I proposed a new template for Football teams at Category talk:Football squad templates. Hope this one be useful (it has Hide/Show option). Mxcatania 16:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


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City of Canberra (aircraft)

The City of Canberra is a preserved Boeing 747-438 delivered to Qantas in 1989 and now on display at the Historical Aircraft Restoration Society museum at Shellharbour Airport, Albion Park Rail, Australia.

On 16–17 August 1989, whilst en route from the Boeing Everett Factory in the United States following its registration as a newly completed Qantas aircraft, the City of Canberra made a non-stop delivery flight from London Heathrow to Qantas' headquarters in Sydney.

, the month of the aircraft's final passenger-carrying flight, this was still the longest non-stop un-refuelled delivery flight by an airliner.

Aircraft
The City of Canberra, registered VH-OJA, named after Australia's capital city, was the first Boeing 747-400 delivered to Qantas. It was not modified for the flight in any way – such as by the installation of extra fuel tanks – but some items of equipment were removed from the galleys and cargo compartments to save weight.

Record-breaking flight
The 747-438 took 20 hours and 9 minutes to fly a distance of 9,720 nautical miles (18,001 km) from London Heathrow to Sydney. The elapsed time was six minutes longer than the quickest non-stop England to Australia flight, which was made by an Avro Vulcan of the Royal Air Force in 1961. The City of Canberra set a record for the longest un-refuelled flight by a commercial aircraft, as the Vulcan was a military aircraft and had to be refuelled in flight several times while flying from RAF Scampton to RAAF Base Richmond near Sydney.

City of Canberra also set the record for the shortest ever 747 flight. In March 2015, it flew from Sydney to Shellharbour, with a flight time of 12 minutes. This record was beaten by a British Airways 747-400 that made a nine minute flight from Cardiff to MOD St Athan in November 2019.

Service with Qantas
The City of Canberra remained in service with Qantas until January 2015, when it was retired as part of the draw-down of the airline's fleet of 747s. While in service with Qantas, the aircraft operated more than 13,000 flights, and carried more than three million passengers. Its last passenger-carrying flight was from Johannesburg to Sydney on 13–14 January 2015.

Leased by Ansett
In October 1994, VH-OJA was wet leased by Qantas' then-main domestic competitor Ansett after its Boeing 747-300, VH-INH, was damaged while landing at Sydney Airport. Another Qantas 747, VH-OJL, was also leased by Ansett to cover VH-INH's flights while it was repaired.

Final flight
The aircraft was subsequently donated to the Historical Aircraft Restoration Society at Shellharbour Airport via a delivery flight on 8 March 2015. Pilots trained on simulators for the landing and reduced the aircraft's weight including reducing the tyre pressure to 120 pounds per square inch from the typical 208, and carrying 25,400 litres of fuel, versus the maximum of 217,000 litres.

Public display
The City of Canberra was placed on public display after a short period of decommissioning. On a tour of the Historical Aircraft Restoration Society at Shellharbour Airport, members of the public can board the inside of the aircraft. Visitors to the aircraft can carry out such activities as going through the pre-departure checklist with a pilot, making announcements over the PA system, and arming and cross-checking the doors.

Namesakes
The City of Canberra name has also been carried by other first deliveries for Qantas, including two other Boeing 747s. The first Boeing 707-138 delivered in July 1959, the first Boeing 747-238 delivered in August 1971 and the first Boeing 747-338 delivered in November 1984, all carried the name.

A 707-338C purchased by Qantas in 1967 also bore the name. After several post-Qantas ownerships, that aircraft was purchased by Northrop Grumman in 1992 for conversion to a E-8C Joint STARS for the United States Air Force. In 1996, it became the first of such aircraft to enter service, remaining in this role until it was retired on 10 February 2022.

title: City of Canberra (aircraft)


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interplant

Adjective

 * 1)  Between manufacturing plants or divisions.
 * 2) * 1935, Roy C. Ingersoll, "Ring for Packaging," US Patent 2119745, page 2:
 * In interplant and interdepartmental shipments, it has been found that the cost of packaging is prohibitive where the articles or bodies of merchandise are individually crated or cased.
 * 1)  Between plants.
 * 2) * 1977, Lawrence L. Ingram et al., "Transplanting apparatus," US Patent 4104975, page 8:
 * the patented machine functions to deposit the plants onto the field at only one fixed spatial relationship whereby the machine cannot accommodate different crops and/or different growing conditions wherein different interplant spacings might be required.

Derived terms

 * interplant distance

Verb

 * 1)  To alternate plantings of two or more species.
 * 2) * 1931, Wendell H. Tisdale, "Insect Repellent," US Patent 2205232, page 4:
 * The most extensive of these field tests was conducted in a 5-acre young apple orchard temporarily interplanted, as is frequently the custom, with peach trees.

title: interplant


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Bernie Burger

Kola Bernie Burger (born 5 May 1981) is a South African-born Namibian cricketer, who has played for Namibia's national cricket team. He is a right-handed batsman and a left-arm medium-pace bowler.

He played with the Namibian cricket team during the 2005 ICC Trophy in Ireland in which they finished seventh. Generally speaking, Burger occupies the position of lower-middle-order batsman, contributing along with Ian van Zyl to a solid bowling attack.

In January 2008, Burger hit a career-best 74 in the ICC Inter-Continental Cup competition against the United Arab Emirates, and the following month, he hit his debut century, an innings of 100 in 57 balls, including seven fours and six sixes.

title: Bernie Burger


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tradicionalmente

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) traditionally

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) traditionally

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) traditionally

title: tradicionalmente


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CACS/Glossary/Basic

Basic Language is a high level computer language that was intrroducd with the PC in the 1960s. BASIC is an acronym for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code. Basic was originally an interpreted language, but compilers were soon introduced. While there is an ANSI Standard Basic, most vendors use proprietary extensions. There is a subset or similar language used in Web pages called Basic Script. Microsoft platform applications include another subset called Visual Basic for Applications (VBA). The .BAS file extension is frequently used for Basic source code.

title: CACS/Glossary/Basic


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Diviciacus

Diviciacus or Divitiacus is the name of two Gaulish noblemen of the 1st century BC:

 * Diviciacus (Suessiones), king of the Suessiones
 * Diviciacus (Aedui), druid and magistrate of the Aedui

title: Diviciacus