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Age? The age of Stephen Boyd confuses me. It says he was born July of 1931, and died June of 1977. In the article it says he was 49 when he died of a heart attack but next to his death date it says he was 48. Even if it was just an error in the article he can't possibly be 48 if his birth date was July of 1931 and died June 1977 (He would be 45 if that was true)Crazycelt72 03:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Boyd was born in 1927 or 1928, he lied about his age. He certainly wasn't eight years younger than Heston in Ben Hur. (Daer11 15:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC))

 * All reliable sources say 1931, including his own grave. So that's what we go with unless someone can produce his birth certificate. -- Rodhull andemu  21:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * there is another inconsistency: it says he married mills in 1977. it also says he died in jun of '77. but it says he was married to mills for 10 months prior to his death. 10 months back from june '77 is august or september of '76. ???? Toyokuni3 (talk) 01:40, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Sexuality
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/02/13/raquel-welch-ben-hur-star-stephen-boyd-was-gay/ Comments on this article also state that Gore Vidal outed him in in his autobiography "Palimpsest" in 1995 Adagio67 (talk) 14:40, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

This is inaccurate. In "Palimpsest", Gore Vidal is talking about the character Messala in Ben Hur as being gay, not Stephen Boyd himself. Stephen Boyd had an affair with both Brigitte Bardot and Marisa Mell. In fact, he had a gypsy wedding with Marisa Mell which she describes in her own autobiography "Cover Love". http://marisa-mell.blogspot.com/2008/09/marta-or-dopo-di-che-uccide-il-maschio.html

 * His marriage only lasted for a few days because it was a front. (HelmannArticle (talk) 11:08, 25 September 2015 (UTC))
 * Don't just make bald, unsupported statements like that. What is your source for this assertion?  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  11:12, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Mariella di Sarzana filed for divorce after only a few days when she found out he was gay. MGM had to prevent this from being published otherwise it might have affected "Ben Hur"'s performance at the box office. (HelmannArticle (talk) 11:41, 25 September 2015 (UTC))

 * Quote: "Don't just make bald, unsupported statements like that. What is your source for this assertion?"  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  11:56, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

 * Vidal mentioned it when talking about "Ben Hur". (HelmannArticle (talk) 18:02, 25 September 2015 (UTC))

 * How tiresome you are!! Don't you understand that WP works on information that comes from a WP:Reliable source.  An anonymous editor just stating stuff they claim to have heard somewhere is not a reliable source.  We need to know whether you read what Vidal said in some book or publication (details) or saw it on some TV program (details) or read it online (details).  Even so, Vidal saying something about Boyd's private life could just be scuttlebutt, rumour etc.  How would he know what went on between Boyd and any third party behind closed doors?  Was he one of Boyd's gay lovers himself?  How do we know he isn't just making that up?  You see what I'm driving at?  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  18:39, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Here we go: Gore Vidal's autobiography, Palimpsest, page 306-307. (Concerning Vidal's idea to have Ben-Hur and Messala as boyhood lovers) "The next day I came in with the two scenes. Willy and I read as Sam listened. True to my word, the scene is still about politics, but as we were required to do at MGM, no matter who the director was, I had written in all the 'reaction shots' - expressions on each actor's face as he hears the other's dialogue. Willy said, 'Tone down the offstage directions. I'll talk to Chuck. You talk to Boyd. But don't you say a word to Chuck or he'll fall apart'. The thought of so much wood crashing to the ground committeed us to omerta. I did tell Boyd. The bright blue eyes glittered happily. Yes, he know exactly what to do. 'I think there's a dog in the scene, ' he said. 'I can be patting it while I'm getting turend down by old Ben.' **Then Vidal quotes Heston's published diaries, and goes on **    "The second scene, like the first, was mine, and I was present for the reading. Chuck was now imitating Francis X Bushman in the silent-film version, tossing his head, chin held high, oblivious of what was going on. Boyd, at one point winked at me. He was in character. ****   "Over the next few years, whenever we (William Wyler) met, we quarrelled amiably over what I had put in the scene and what Steven Boyd is clearing playing."

Now, concerning Mariella di Sarzana, first of all, this was not a sham marriage. This was not Anthony Perkins or Charles Laughton-like marriage to deflect homosexualiity. Stephen met Mariella in April of 1958. She was the representative in charge to 'take care of him' while he was in Rome filming Ben-Hur. They fell in love, and went to England to tie the knot. The Ben-Hur cast had a huge 'reception' for the two of them in Rome to celebrate. You can see all the pictures here, and when viewing them, you can totally see they were crazy about each other. http://www.archivioluce.com/archivio/#n. Just look up 'Stephen Boyd - Ricievimento per il film Ben Hur. Presenti Stephen Boyd, Mariella De Sarzana, Charlton Heston, Cathy O'Donnell, 06.09.1958.' According to Boyd, here is why the marriage fell apart after only 4 weeks: Quoted from an interview in SCREEN ALBUM, Aug-Oct 1960, Page 46...."It was my fault. I'm an Irish so-and-so when I'm working. I hadn't been married a week when we both knew we had made a mistake. She is a nice girl but we were just not meant for each other. I suppose I wasn't ready for marriage. Maybe I was still too much of an adolescent." Now that the divorce is final, he's been linked with Anna Kashfi, Elana Eden and Hope Lange. He's practically been accused of destroying Hope's marriage. "I know, " he laughs, " that I've been called 'a killer with the women'. I don't know whether I should be flattered or annoyed. I'm very fond of women and I can't resist a pretty face- what man can? But I've never gone out of my way to break up a happy home. Any rumors to that effect are untrue." Boyd officially divorced Mariella di Sarzana in early 1959 after the filming of Ben-Hur was completed.

Concerning Raquel Welch's quote "I was the wrong sex!" - probably Raquel was just the wrong woman for Stephen Boyd. It certainly makes one wonder about Raquel's opinion of herself that if a man won't sleep with her, surely he must be gay!! Well, Boyd was perhaps picky about who her chose to be with, and this obviously must have made Raquel furious for her to bring it up decades later. But also very inconsiderate and incorrect. Take her comments with a grain of salt. Stephen Boyd (if you have actually read any of his interviews), is brutally honest about what he says. It used to get him into hot water. He says in many interviews how much he likes the ladies, so I believe him! He was simply a well-adjusted, a bit-kooky, happy, scared-to-get-married-again heterosexual bachelor. Sorry if that wrecks any of you fantasies! But it's the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robespierre9 (talk • contribs) 15:45, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Stephen Boyd was actually gay and his marriage was arranged by the studio. (<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 11:34, 28 December 2015 (UTC))

Not true. He was married twice and had other relationships with women. — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 23:41, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Scientologist?
The inclusion of Stephen Boyd as a Scientologist based on a single source (Malko) is rather shaky. Do we have any sources where he actually identifies himself as a Scientologist, or that he had a long-term association with the group? I'd certainly prefer having at least an additional source to back up the claim that he considered himself a Scientologist. Laval (talk) 14:59, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Stephen was a proclaimed Scientologist. http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/library-item.php?iid=4761 Robespierre9 (talk) 21:43, 12 May 2015 (UTC) Robespierre9 (talk) 21:43, 12 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robespierre9 (talk • contribs) 21:39, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

1931?
He was born in 1928. (<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 12:35, 28 December 2015 (UTC))

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Kungha Drengsen

The result was redirect to S. K. Thoth.  Sandstein  09:07, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Scott Kungha Drengsen

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Former musician with a notable band, but no indication of independent notability per WP:MUSICBIO, and no significant coverage online in WP:RS. Mr. MacTidy (talk) 09:47, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
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Jean-Philippe Duval

Jean-Philippe Duval (born 1968) is a Canadian film and television director from Quebec City, Quebec. He is most noted for his 1999 films Matroni and Me (Matroni et moi), for which he received Jutra Award nominations for Best Director and Best Screenplay at the 2nd Jutra Awards, and a Genie Award nomination for Best Adapted Screenplay at the 20th Genie Awards, and his 2009 film Through the Mist (Dédé, à travers les brumes), which received Jutra nominations for both Best Director and Best Screenplay at the 12th Jutra Awards.

At the 2nd Jutra Awards, his documentary film Lumière des oiseaux was also a nominee for Best Documentary Film.

His 2019 film 14 Days, 12 Nights (14 jours 12 nuits) was selected as the Canadian entry for the Best International Feature Film at the 93rd Academy Awards.

Films

 * La nuit tous les chats sont gris - 1990
 * Soho - 1994
 * Matroni and Me (Matroni et moi) - 1999
 * Through the Mist (Dédé, à travers les brumes) - 2009
 * Wild Run: The Legend (Chasse-Galerie: La Légende) - 2016
 * 9 (9, le film) - 2016
 * 14 Days, 12 Nights (14 jours 12 nuits) - 2019

Documentary

 * La Vie a du charme - 1993
 * L'Odyssée baroque - 1994
 * Lumière des oiseaux - 1999
 * Marie, mère des apparitions - 2001
 * WOW II - 2001
 * Les Réfugiés de la planète bleue - 2006
 * Au Québec avec Tintin - 2015

Television

 * L'École de danse - 2002
 * Marché Jean-Talon - 2003
 * États-humains - 2004-07
 * Martin sur la route - 2007
 * Unité 9 - 2012

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Posyolok imeni 8 Marta

Posyolok imeni 8 Marta (Посёлок имени 8 Марта) is a rural locality (a settlement) in Kolyvansky Selsoviet, Kuryinsky District, Altai Krai, Russia. The population was 152 as of 2013. There are 4 streets.

Geography
Posyolok imeni 8 Marta is located 58 km southeast of Kurya (the district's administrative centre) by road. Kolyvan is the nearest rural locality.

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Talk:Wilfred Buck

This article could use some references to his work suggesting the names "Awasis" and "Nikowiy" for Canada's "Name the Exoplanet Contest". Articles about this:

https://www.ualberta.ca/science/news/2020/february/exoplanet-star-cree.html

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/news/article/say-hello-to-awasis-canadas-very-own-newly-named-alien-planet

https://globalnews.ca/news/6674587/cree-names-alberta-planet-star-national-contest/

Part of the IAU contest: http://www.nameexoworlds.iau.org/

Canada's version of the contest: https://casca.ca/?p=12404Sheeshorama (talk) 01:08, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Added a reference to the NameExoWorlds Contest and Wilfred Buck's contribution and added citations to the Global News article and the CASCA webpage.Sheeshorama (talk) 23:50, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Still need to add the accent above the "a" in Nikawiy and Awasis. Will figure this out soon. Sheeshorama (talk) 23:53, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

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User:Youngjan

My name is Jan Hlavacek. I am from the Czech Republic and my personal webpage can be found at http://www.pro-eng.com.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khelhendros

The result was: redirected as variant spelling; AfD closed early as moot. Smerdis of Tlön 18:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Khelhendros
Seems to be a character from either a Dungeons & Dragons campaign or novel, it's not clear. No apparent claims for notability, not clear how to verify. Has been tagged for cleanup for a while. I am staying out of the discussion as I don't know the subject matter and am not sure if it needs to be deleted or not. Andrew Levine 13:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. NN fictional character without context.  My deep scholarship suggests that he may belong to the Dragonlance/Krynn universe. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. The standard spelling is apparently Khellendros, and we have extensive coverage of the character at Skie.  - Smerdis of Tlön 16:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
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"I am, I sad, to no one there ...not even the chair"  Niel Diamond

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Royal gramma

The royal gramma (Gramma loreto), also known as the fairy basslet, is a species of fish in the family Grammatidae native to reef environments of the tropical western Atlantic Ocean. They are commonly kept in aquariums.

Appearance
The fish can be a light purple to a deep violet starting at the head which fades mid-body to a golden yellow at the tail. The royal gramma will also have a small black spot on the front of the dorsal fin and a black line that streaks through the eye. It resembles the false gramma (Pictichromis paccagnellae), with the two main differences between the two being the false gramma has clear fins and does not fade, but rather has a distinct change in color. The royal gramma is relatively small, averaging slightly over 8 cm and has been tank bred. The largest scientifically-measured royal gramma was 8 cm long.

Diet
The royal gramma is a planktivore, eating mostly zooplankton and crustaceans. The royal gramma is also a cleaner fish. It removes the ectoparasites (a parasite that lives on the skin of a fish) from other fish and learns to eat dead food, such as crustaceans and fish flesh. They prefer to pick their food from the middle of the water column.

Range
Their natural range covers the Bahamas, Venezuela, Antilles, Bermuda, and through the waters surrounding Central America and the northern part of South America. The Royal Gramma tends to swim more towards the bottom with the depth range between 1 and 20 m (3 and 60 ft).

In the aquarium
Due to their relatively peaceful nature, diet, and small size, the royal gramma is considered an ideal inhabitant for most reef aquaria containing coral and other invertebrates. Notwithstanding this general statement, they can become aggressive towards tank-mates when kept in smaller nano reef tanks. They stake out territories throughout rocks and crevices and choose favorite hiding places. They are generally peaceful fish, but are very protective of their territories and are known for chasing out other small fish. They tend to stay in one area of the tank and, when startled, will dart back into their holes. They will vigorously guard their hiding places and, when threatened, will open their mouths wide in a threatening gesture to ward off the intruders. The royal gramma tends to orient itself to be parallel with the surface to which it is closest, resulting in the fish swimming straight up and down or sometimes upside down beneath ledges. This behavior is not to be mistaken for illness.

The minimum suggested tank size is 30 gallons and the tank should not receive sharp lighting. The ideal water temperature should range between 72 and 78 °F and the water pH should be between 8.1 and 8.4, with specific gravity of 1.020–1.025. They are often kept in reef aquaria and are generally kept singly or in pairs. However, small groups can be kept as long as the tank is large enough and has enough cracks and crevices for each fish to have its own territory. The royal gramma should not be kept with its own kind unless in a formed male-female pair. It should also not be kept with larger, aggressive fish that will eat them. They are, however, resistant to most diseases and make very good beginner fish. It will also accept frozen and meaty foods, such as brine shrimp and mysis shrimp in the wild. The royal gramma is very easy to feed, but rotating their foods is said to keep them from becoming picky. Captive royal gramma will also eat flake and pellet foods.

Breeding
Although pairs are difficult to find because the difference between male and female is not visible, they are very easy to breed. With males usually being larger than females, the male will build the nest among rocks using pieces of algae. The male will then lead the female to the nest, where she will deposit 20–100 eggs in the nest. The male exhibits the following nest care practices: protecting the nest and eggs, ongoing maintenance, frequent debris removal, and constant barging into the nest. During the breeding period, this behavior is repeated almost every day for a month or longer. The eggs are about 1 mm (0.04 in) and are equipped with small protuberances over the surface with tiny threads extending from them. These threads hold onto the algae of the nest and keep the eggs in place. The eggs will hatch in five to seven days, normally in the evening, and can feed on rotifers until they are large enough to consume newly hatched brine shrimp.

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Talk:Investing

This page ought to be cleaned up a bit. The Real Estate and rental property labels can be renamed to either real estate or investment property, but I think rental property is too specific for these purposes

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Twice as Tall

Twice as Tall is the fifth studio album by Nigerian singer Burna Boy. It was released on 14 August 2020 by Spaceship Entertainment, Bad Habit, Atlantic Records and Warner Music. Recording sessions took place in 2020, with Burna Boy, American singer and songwriter Diddy and Burna Boy Mother Bose Ogulu serving as the record's executive producers. The album is a mixture of Afrobeats, Afrobeat, dancehall, pop and hip hop. It was produced primarily by Telz, along with production from Rexxie, Timbaland and DJDS, among others. The album features guest appearances from Youssou N'Dour, Naughty by Nature, Sauti Sol, Chris Martin and Stormzy. Its lead single is "Wonderful", released on 26 June 2020.

At the 63rd ceremony of the Grammy Awards, Twice as Tall won Best Global Music Album.

Background and recording
Burna Boy recorded songs for Twice as Tall mainly in Ahoada, Nigeria over few months of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020. Due to the pandemic, Burna Boy and his co-executive producer Diddy worked together through virtual file transfers and Zoom calls, the latter providing voice-over intros for a few of the songs and musical input. Burna Boy told The New York Times, "I've never picked up a pen and paper and written down a song in my life. It all just comes, like someone is standing there and telling me what to say. It's all according to the spirits. Some of us are put on this earth to do what we do". He said that through the album, he is building a bridge that leads every black person in the world to come together. Burna Boy said in a press release that the album is about a period of time in his life, "It's the album about the struggle for freedom. It's the album about life in general, real life, good times, bad times, happy times, sad times, great times". The album was produced primarily by Telz, along with production from Rexxie, Timbaland and DJDS, among others. It features guest appearances from Youssou N'Dour, Naughty by Nature, Sauti Sol, Chris Martin and Stormzy.

The album release was accompanied by a comic book The Secret Flame, narrated by Burna Boy's grandfather, Benson Idonije, who managed Afrobeat music pioneer Fela Kuti. The animated comic, follows Burna Boy through a spiritual journey of discovering oneself while highlighting the very moments that brought him to where he is standing tall today. Burna Boy released the album artwork on Instagram, depicting him in cartoon form as a titan, striding over modern roads and ancient monuments. He said that the art did justice to exactly what he intended to portray, noting that it reflects his journey through different energies and emotions while recording the album.

Composition
Twice as Tall is an Afrobeats, Afrobeat, dancehall, pop and hip hop album. The album opens with Youssou N'Dour-assisted "Level Up", where Burna Boy revisited his wild recent rise, celebrating his achievements and noted he is not getting so satisfied. Vulture.com writer Justin Curto praised the song, noting that it's better than a victory lap. "Alarm Clock" beat is a contemporary Afro-pop sound in outlook and is heavily influenced by Fela's Afrobeat era in delivery. It features a spoken intro from the executive producer Diddy. On "Way Too Big", Burna Boy is found in a self-confident form, relaying his intention to avoid bad company as subtle violin runs cushion his vocals. On "Bebo" produced by Rexxie, Burna Boy discussed his unwillingness to pretend.

"Wonderful" was produced by Telz and sees Burna Boy expressing excitement for his people and the globalization of their unique sound. It was recorded in Nigerian pidgin and Yoruba. In a review for Pitchfork, Mankaprr Conteh praised the song's production and said "the singer revels in the alchemy of rhythm and hustle. He's mystified by what beats and drums can conjure, the way they spread joy and spark motion from your toes to your scalp". "Onyeka" produced by Telz, is a happy and triumphant tune. In the Naughty by Nature-assisted track "Naughty by Nature", Burna Boy talked about the journey to where he is now, admitting his dislike for politics. "Comma" has a danceable beat. The LeriQ-produced track "No Fit Vex" sees Burna Boy dishing out positive twists, saying he is now a man who is less interested in his petulant side. "23", features a piano-assisted instrumental. Burna Boy sees himself similar to Basketball legend Michael Jordan. "Time Flies" interpolates Marc Anthony's "I Need You". It features vocals from Sauti Sol with a spoken outro from Burna Boy's mother Bose Ogulu.

The politically charged Reggae-Fusion track "Monsters you Made" explores the historical injustices on an oppressed race that's convinced enough should be enough, addressing African and African-American experiences with prejudice, touching on subjects like slavery and miseducation. The song is full of pain, anger and plenty of defiances, featuring vocals from Chris Martin with a spoken outro from Ghanaian author and poet Ama Ata Aidoo. In "Wetin Dey Sup", Burna Boy speaks against gun violence and police brutality. The Stormzy-assisted track "Real Life" contains a sample of T-Pain's "I'm Sprung" and sees Stormzy crooning in true R&B style, with the aid of a vocoder. In "Bank On It", Burna Boy asks for forgiveness if he fumbles and for protection from his enemies. He is aided by his belief in a supreme being and deferred to faith in the face of a potential detraction. The song climaxed with a choir harmonizing the main hook.

Promotion
On 21 February 2020, Burna Boy announced he would embark on the Twice as Tall World tour beginning on 7 May 2020 in Atlanta, Georgia and ending on 30 August 2020 in Oberhausen, Germany. The tour ended up not happening due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Singles
"Wonderful" was released as the album's lead single on 26 June 2020. The accompanying music video was released on 30 June 2020 and was directed by Director K; it depicts old African ways. In it, Burna Boy is seen lying asleep on a palm frond, somewhere in the land of warriors, kings and queens, he is then woken from his drowse by a gorilla and ambushed by some warriors dressed in traditional attire, before turning into a celebration where both the warriors and the singer began dancing. Burna Boy is dressed as a warrior and hailed a champion. Upon the release of the song, Burna Boy said "This song is about the wonders of seeing the impact of my music on people's lives as they shared their joy, pain and pleasure with me while I toured the world".

"Monsters You Made" was released as the album's second single on 28 August 2020. The accompanying music video, shows the theme of how systematic racism and inequality leads to trauma and violence.

"Real Life" was released as the album's third single on 2 October 2020. The accompanying music video, which was released on the same day, was directed by Meji Aladi and featured British rapper Stormzy. The video depicts the realities of crime.

Reception
Twice as Tall received generally favourable reviews from music critics. At Metacritic, which assigns a weighted average rating out of 100 to reviews from mainstream publications, this release received an average score of 79 based on 6 reviews. Pitchfork's Mankaprr Conteh granted the album 8.0 out of 10 rating, describing it as massive and noting that "society could use a hero, a godsend". Motolani Alake of Pulse Nigeria assigned a rating of 8.7 out of 10, praising the singer's work ethic and stating that the album is amazing. Alake said the album is a "commendable and exceptional third straight album from the singer", while noting that "everything that made African Giant great is on Twice as Tall". Nicolas-Tyrell Scott of NME rated the album three stars out of five, characterizing it "as a satisfying sequel". He further said: "It's admirable to see him balance his signature sound with hints of exploration in collaborations such as "Monsters You Made", all while remaining true to his mother tongue". Writing for Meaww, Jenifer Gonsalves said the album is "a solid album from Burna Boy, one that establishes him as an artiste capable of blending sounds, styles and cultures to create music that encompasses a better world".

Lloyd Bradley of The Guardian awarded the album four stars out of five, noting that "the album positions African music in the 21st century by using contemporary sounds for traditional melodies and rhythms". The Daily Telegraph's Pritchard Will gave the album four stars out of five, saying "if Twice as Tall is the singer's bid for global superstardom, then the music is polished to befit his aims". In a review for Mail & Guardian, Kwanele Sosibo stated that "there's lots of sheen and polish on the album, with each song, it seems, staking its own fresh claim on the sonic palette that constitutes Afrobeats". Kunle Adesokan of Naijagig awarded the album a rating of 4.5 out of 5, noting that "if anything, Burna Boy has grown twice as tall from the man and artiste that recorded the African Giant album. Kunle added: "by using contemporary sounds for traditional melodies and drawing on various musical styles while staying true to African sounds, Burna Boy defines what modern African music should be."

Track listing
Sample credits
 * "Real Life" contains a sample of "I'm Sprung", performed by T-Pain.
 * "Time Flies" contains an interpolation of "I Need You", performed by Marc Anthony.

Personnel
Vocalists
 * Burna Boy – primary artist
 * Youssou N'Dour – featured artist (1)
 * Naughty by Nature – featured artist (7)
 * Sauti Sol – featured artist (11)
 * Chris Martin – featured artist (12)
 * Stormzy – featured artist (14)

Production

 * Telz – production (5–6), co-production (7, 14)
 * Rexxie – production (4, 8)
 * Diddy – co-production (2, 3, 7)
 * LeriQ – production (9, 12), co-production (3)
 * Timbaland – co-production (1, 2, 3, 13)
 * Mario Winans – co-production (7, 14)
 * Skread – production (10)
 * JAE5 – production (15)
 * Matt Testa – co-production (1)
 * DJDS – co-production (1)
 * Matthew Baus – co-production (1)
 * P2J – co-production (2)
 * Mike Dean – co-production (3)
 * Sauti Sol – co-production (11)
 * Andre Harris – co-production (11)

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Filter Bunker Raigmore Inverness

The Filter Bunker Raigmore Inverness is the one remaining of a group of three subterranean bunkers situated around Raigmore in Inverness, Scotland. All three bunkers were constructed around 1940 for use by the Royal Air Force to process RADAR signals from Chain Home masts. The three bunkers in the cluster were Operations, Filter and Command. It is a B listed building because of its historic interest.

History
Historically these bunkers were important in the processing of the Chain Home RADAR signals.

The filter bunker was used by the Civil Defence Corps from 1958 and by the Royal Observer Corps from 1968; it was acquired by Highland Council for use as their emergency centre in 1988.

In 2016 the filter room bunker was put up for sale by the Highland Council. In 2019 it moved into private hands and is now owned by CSP Partnership. Change of use planning permission has been granted to allow part of the building to be developed as a private museum.

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this page is still a stub. needs detail and refs to become start class. Anlace 00:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

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Reaktor/Modules/Out Port

The maximum number of Out Ports in one design page is 40.

From Leviathan User's Guide and Event Logic tutorial v2.0, page 30

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Film editing/Understanding "L-Cuts"/Fireworks Display

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The ultimate two way conversation

 * Four different ways to use "L-Cuts"
 * The best way to learn about editing a conversation is to get the film dailies for a scene and edit the scene. In this case, you see the scene edited four different ways.  The only difference is the "L-Cuts" yet the impact is huge.

 * The story
 * A rich man is talking to the workmen about a fireworks display that he wants for the picnic. The workmen think he is crazy.  So will you.

 * A challenge
 * This scene was shot quickly with only a few shots to get all the coverage. Not all the shots match perfectly.  The performances change from the wide angle shot to the close up shot.

 * So you must worry about a lot of things, not just how to create "L-Cuts".

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A simple scene from a TV drama

 * DVD-Video disk
 * The Star Movie Shop has a disk which shows a two way conversation. The disk is called "Fireworks Display".

 * The disk is both a DVD-Video with a demonstration of how this scene can be edited. You just watch the demos and see the many options.

 * Also the disk is a DVD-Data disk containing all the film dailies for use in your editing program.

 * Enough points?
 * If you have enough points, let me know and the disk will be send to you.

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Who do you want to emphasize?

 * L-Cuts emphasize one actor over the other
 * This disk contains the unedited film footage of one scene which has two people talking. This is probably the absolute ideal conversation to explore. All the examples that are on this disk as just from "L-Cuts".

 * In a conversation, you can use "L-Cuts" to:

 * See the speaker who is talking.

 * See the listener before he begins to speak. This gives the feeling of anticipation.

 * See the listener after he finishes speaking. This shows the listeners reaction.

 * Emphasize one actor over another.

 * Your will see that making "L-Cuts" and adding cut away shots changes the way that the audience interprets the scene.

 * IRou editing creates the emotional content of the scene.

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Very Educational

 * Educational but boring!
 * This is concidered the most boring disk from the Star Movie Shop. This is because you will see this scene edited four different ways.  The difference is only with the "L-Cuts".  Everything else is the same (or almost the same).

 * }

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The next lesson

 * The next lesson discusses editing a conversation to add narrative music.

 * }


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Talk:South Park title sequence

Copyright
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought lyrics were copyright protected and if they are shouldn't they be removed? Cat-five 18:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Only if used in a commercial sense, elsewise, fair usage applies (Sorry for the 3 year late response). ⒺⓋⒾ ⓁⒼⓄ ⒽⒶⓃ ②  talk 15:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

First Season Question
I'm pretty sure the first season (or so) had a sparser opening, and Kyle and Stan's voices sounded different when they sang their lines. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, though. ~ S h i p p i n a t o r M a n d y  (For best results, use twice daily.) 02:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Kenny Singing
Along with the variants above, there was a running gag of an incomprehensible line sung by Kenny (and briefly by Timmy). The South Park creators revealed what was being said later.
 * Seasons 1-2 - "I love girls with big fat titties, I love girls with deep vaginas."
 * Seasons 3-5 - "I have got a ten inch penis, use your mouth if you want to clean it."
 * Season 6 - "Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, Livin' a lie! Timmay!"
 * Seasons 7-10 (first half)/syndication - "Someday I’ll be old enough to stick my dick in Britney’s butt!"
 * Seasons 10 (second half)-? - "I would like to smelly your pussy clean it with my finger for you."

Can someone please cite this before re adding, it looks totally made up to me (Gnevin 19:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC))
 * I believe this was confirmed in the FAQ from South Park Studios. I'll see if I can find it. -Juansmith 22:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Images
Could we possibly upload some better images? The ones I used are of very poor quality, see my computer will not screenshot properly.

7B intro
On the DVD release all season 7 episodes have the same intro, this is wrong since watching episodes on television and online show a different intro from South Park is Gay! onwards.

Changes in intro
The intro has changed again. The characters are no longer shown being made by hands. They just peek in from the sides of screen and sing their lines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 21:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move the page from South Park opening credits to South Park title sequence, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 10:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

With rare exceptions of guest stars being billed as such in earlier seasons, credits are never actually displayed during the opening. See title sequence as opposed to opening credits. — SoSaysChappy (talk) 04:37, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

 * Support - this is, in fact, an article on the title sequence, not just the opening credits. Robofish (talk) 04:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - per Robofish. - kollision (talk) 00:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Wiktionary talk:Main Page/Archive 4

PURGE ALL PERIODS
Please, remove all periods from the end of definitions (which are not sentences) -- no dictionary is thus designed.
 * If you will take the time to look at some dictionaries, you will find that your statement is incorrect. The Oxford English Dictionary, the American Heritage Dictionary, Webster's, and Random House all place periods at the end of definitions, even when the definitions is simply a word or phrase. --EncycloPetey 13:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

spellcheck
This wiki, above all others, should have a spell check/spellcheck/spell-check (I don't know which one it is) for its search and articles. <IP_ADDRESS> 01:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

 * It does, but it is for people editing, not browsing...so you have to turn it on at the bottom of WT:PREFS. (Still in beta testing - occasional bugs.  Remember to check the first checkbox also.)  --Connel MacKenzie 03:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Note that if you simply load FireFox, the integrated spellchecker is much nicer. --Connel MacKenzie 20:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Somewhat related.. Didn't wanna create a whole new header when this one fit so well. I was wondering why misspelled articles aren't created sort of like disambiguation pages, linking to a number of properly spelled articles that the browser could have been searching for? (Or does that make sense..) no<IP_ADDRESS> 01:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

 * When you don't create a new topic at the bottom of this page, your comment(s) are not noticed...sometimes for weeks. :-)

 * Incorrect spellings are not entered, as they find their way into altavista/yahoo/google searches (that are fed pretty much directly from here to their databases) and therefore create the impression that that spelling is "correct" if entered as a redirect. As the general rule though, don't enter misspellings.  The List of common misspellings will identify common misspellings if you search for one.  --Connel MacKenzie 20:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Archives and old stuff

 * Wiktionary talk:Main Page/Redesign, about the Main page redesign
 * Main Page/Old versions, older version
 * Talk archive 1
 * Talk archive 2 (summary)
 * Talk archive 3

Logo
Yes, we know about the pronunciation thing, don't tell us here. Go here to discuss a new logo.

Better pages out there
We should redesign this page, and follow sr: instead of pl:. — Vildricianus 21:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I'll do it! -- Wildrick Expurgator t(c) 22:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I do like sr:'s gradient heading bars. --Connel MacKenzie 21:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I also like how it keeps the minimum of links and stuff there. We badly need to relieve our Main page. — Vildricianus 16:27, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The Anglo-Saxon wiktionary's looking really good nowadays, too! --<IP_ADDRESS> 20:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Order of languages
Please, move fi ("Suomi") to right place in Main Page: just before "Svenska" --Aulis Eskola 18:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

 * It is in the "right place". The langauges are ordered by language code. It's not even possible to order them by native name as the native names are in many different scripts. — Hippietrail 03:45, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

 * The current situation is very user-unfriendly. It is very well possible to order the alphabetically written languages according to their alphabetical order in the GUI (user interface). It is not necessary to produce a chaotic list for users just because the language codes are often based on the languages' English names whereas the GUI shows the native name. The old-fashioned English-centric language codes are a technical standard and jargon and do not need to be changed, but there is absolutely no reason to let this create a visible list for users that violates one of the foundations of all dictionaries in alphabetical scripts, the alphabetical order! Take a look at Wikipedia if you need a wiki model.
 * Similarly, it would be best to have non-alphabetical scripts in the list according to their order in alphabetical transcriptions of the languages' own names, not the English names (which results from the English name used in the language code). This has not yet been implemented or understood at Wikipedia yet; in fact, it perhaps hasn't even been suggested yet. --Espoo 08:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Your POV does not match the consensus previously reached by this community of contributors. --Connel MacKenzie 16:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Could you point me to that discussion, please? Don't you feel that the current situation is problematic? What reasons could possibly be so important that they defend producing a user-unfriendly interface that violates one of the foundations of all dictionaries in alphabetical scripts, the alphabetical order? --Espoo 23:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I think you are misunderstanding. The alphabetic order was that of the language names (as they appear!) in English.  Your POV that English readers should speak and understand 7,000+ languages is absurd.  So, I hope I merely have misunderstood what you are suggesting, or you merely misunderstood what the point of that section actually is.  --Connel MacKenzie 00:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

 * On the left side of every page is a list with the native language names, not their English equivalents. Here, Finnish is listed as Suomi before Français in the middle of the alphabet instead of where it belongs at the end before Svenska. Due to this listing in violation of the alphabetical principle, many people cannot find the language they're looking for in the list. This is very user unfriendly as i hope you'll agree. This order according to the English codes for the languages is fortunately not observed on most Wiktionary pages, e.g. hint peace answer
 * On the bottom of only the main page is a list of the languages grouped according to the number of entries in their respective dictionaries. This list has both the native language names and their English equivalents. This list could very well be according to the English names if these were listed first instead of second and in parentheses. As it is, it looks very chaotic and makes most users think the order in each group is determined by the number of entries and makes the languages hard to find. --Espoo 13:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

 * The worst problem appears at left of screen - there are no codes, there are no English names. Situation is confusing for users. --<IP_ADDRESS> 23:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I have changed order to Main Page/Otherlang:"suomi" before "svenska". Now suomi is on correct plece at left on main page. Does this have some "side effects"? --Aulis Eskola 00:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

 * How did you find that link to an editable version, at least of part of the page?
 * I also corrected the alphabetical order for other languages on the left and also in the list in the middle on the bottom. --Espoo 10:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I rolled that back - see comment above. The "Templates used on this page" section appears when editing a page, below the edit box section.  --Connel MacKenzie 16:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with Espoo that the order is strange. My reason is simply that it's not intuitive for the list of links to be ordered by the URL of the links instead of what's visible to the user. You are confused for a bit and then go "oh, I see! It's ordered by the thing that's visible at the bottom of the browser window when I move the mouse on top of the links!" If they have to be ordered by their language tags, why not have the visible link names in English too, or prefix them with the tags, e.g. "(fi) Suomi"? Using English would be logical, if (as you quite reasonably said) the reader can't be expected to understand the foreign-language names in the first place. -- <IP_ADDRESS> 20:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

 * The problem there is three-fold. First, that sort of interwiki link is used throughout Wiktionary, so any change would affect every page we have.  Second, most of the additions are made by a bot, which would have to understand how to order the languages. Third, many other links are added by people who don't speak English and don't know the English names of the language.  The current system allows the bot and editors to add links correctly with ease.  But, you are correct that it would help if the language code were visible, so that people using the page could know why the languages are listed in that order. I don't know whether that's possible or how to go about finding out.  --EncycloPetey 20:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Situation on many articles is like this: Suomi-link in on it's alphabetical place ("s"). --<IP_ADDRESS> 23:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

In translations of words language names are in English. Should we use that same style also at left with links to other wiktionaries? I mean should we change primarily to English names of languages? At main page we could write "Finnish (Suomi)", not "Suomi (Finnish)". --<IP_ADDRESS> 23:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

One additional confusing point: in Wikipedia "Suomi" is on main page and typically in articles ordered based on native name ("su", not "fi"). There ar not so much automation on linking languages, I think, and thats why robot problem is not so large. --<IP_ADDRESS> 23:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

 * You seem to misunderstand. The content is for English readers; the left-column navigation bar is for all other language speakers.  (Try visiting the main page of a dozen or so other language Wiktionaries, to see how important it is to have a link "somewhere" in your own language.)  the only logical ordering for that task, is by the language's natural name for itself.  --Connel MacKenzie 00:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I know the user problems because I am native Finnish speaker. But I don't know all the automatic systems "behind the walls" despite I am nerd also. (I am user of many different wiktionaries and also admin in some of them.) I have the same idea for navigation between wiktionaries: we should have native names also as links _if_ _possible_. But I trying "something else". If we can not get names to places there users normally are searching for them. Maybe English name in "correct" place are better than native names in "wrong" places ("correct" means here intuitive location for user not knowing codes and jargons). From Finnish viewpoint situation is different: only some enthusiasts know the language codes and can remember. Codes seem to have nearly nothing to do with language names. If your are using for example this English version you typically know some words in English. In that situation you typically know also your own language name in English. --<IP_ADDRESS> 00:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Main page / Wictionaries in other languages
Let's talk separately this question: Why not to change style "Suomi (Finnish)" to "Finnish (Suomi)" if the order is based on "Finnish", not "Suomi"? --<IP_ADDRESS> 00:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Hmmm. Well, that sounds reasonable, and I forget what the objection was.  Perhaps this should be brought up in the central discussion area WT:BP?  --Connel MacKenzie 08:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Word of Day: Whippersnapper and presumptious
Presumptious is not the correct spelling for presumptuous.--Williamfrederick 04:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Thank you. — Vildricianus 07:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

What's going on?
Okay, why is there no main page? It's a redirect to Main Page, which doesnt even exist? What is going on here? --Reaper X

 * It appears fine for me. --Connel MacKenzie 20:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry; another sysop had already corrected the problem. --Connel MacKenzie 21:23, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

spanish has more than ten thousand
it´s true, I don´t know why it´s located in the "more than a thousand" article. in fact, i can´t understand why it has less articles than portuguese or dutch.

 * Please don't post abusive comments. The number referred to is the number of entries included so far, not the total number of terms in the language. — Paul G 07:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Problem with main page
When I tried to enter the main page, a download-window of file "wiktionary_main_page" appeared. I clicked "cancel", and wasn't abled to open the page. Does anyone know why this is happenning and how to repair it? Tamuz

Update: I found out that if I try to enter Main Page, it loads fine. However, when I try to enter Main Page (the page linked to by the site's logo on the upper-left corner), the occurance I have previously described happens. -- Tamuz

 * Odd behaviour. Did you perchance click the audio link ([[image:Loudspeaker.png]]) in the Word of the Day section? That'll download the audio file. If not, please specify your browser and operating system. — Vildricianus 17:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Hm... awkward. Now it works fine, though nobody changed anything... Well, my browser does act kinda weird occasionally, so I guess it's just a problem on my computer. (I'm using Windows XP professional and browser Internet Explorer 6.0). -- Tamuz

Someone is trying to slip Wiktionary!!!
The domain en.wikitionary.org is parked by CheapestDotCom.com. We need to get this domain name off these scandals. ja.wikitionary.org is taken too. www.wikitionary.org is owned by www.profitmatic.biz, which is in the Phillipines.
 * I don't think there is much that can be done about typo-squatters. Those kinds of things are common on the net. --Versageek 05:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

 * If they don't act unlawful in the name of "wiktionary" we should not intervene. Grtx, --Thogo (talk) 08:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * wtf its not about being unlawful its about using the wiktionary name!!!! Need to get these ASAP--<IP_ADDRESS> 03:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Huh?

 * 1) When I clicked on "post a comment," I got a message saying that the option was not available.  Some-thing's screwy here.
 * 2) When I tried to open an account, I was told I had to read a message that was in the form of an image that needed cookies enabled.  I can't do that.

 * Could you identify the page please? Several have a "post a comment" link.  :-)
 * We get (proportionally) a lot more vandalism on en.wiktionary than any other wikimedia site. (In terms of volume, we are fortunately no where near Wikipedia.)  To counteract the faster acting vandals, those measures are in place.  Sorry, but if you cannot even use a public terminal in a local library to create an account, there isn't much we can do to help you.  --Connel MacKenzie 20:39, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

 * That person had been able to scribe here,... So, possibly the discussion pages are not as secure as the primary ones [????].

If that is not true already, then the possible solution is permitting ip people to write on all discussion pages.

Beyond that, well, maybe I'm not fully comprehending the problem.

Thank You.

Hopiakuta 21:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, this is a wiki. Anyone can edit any page (that isn't protected or semi-protected) even if they don't (or can't) register.  There is a technical proposal to have audio CAPTCHAs for blind contributors, but without cookies enabled you won't get very far.  --Connel MacKenzie 06:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

 * What the hell are cookies enabled and where do you get them? I tried to log in on my machine at work, and was also told to get cookies. I tried to buy them at the local supermarket, but they looked blankly at me and offered me biscuits instead. So I still can't log on at work and my staff is getting fat. What to do? Andrew massyn 21:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

 * If you'd said what browser you're using, someone could have helped you. Or you could look in the help file of your browser (usually in a Help menu) or look in a reference work. For example, you could look in this dictionary's cookie article and find the article HTTP_cookie, which has a link to the Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie --Espoo 08:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Did the wikiwebservers crash & burn f/ several hours today??
Hopiakuta 20:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Two hours, 29 minutes, by my count. See WT:AN for info about the backbone routing problem.  --Connel MacKenzie 20:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey guys, what does hootspa(sp?) mean? I heard it on the daily show.

 * The word was probably chutzpah? —Muke Tever 00:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Interwiki
Please add interwiki link for Romanian Wiktionary --SCriBu
 * Looks like there already is one in the 1,000+ category which seems to be where it belongs. - TheDaveRoss 16:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Various other scripts - add Armenian?
There are a fair amount of articles in the Armenian script, and I was wondering if it was enough to be put on the main page under the "Various other scripts" section. I guess it would be Ա-Ֆ and ա-ֆ. Just a thought. -Rappo 05:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Sounds reasonable to me. --Connel MacKenzie 11:10, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Wiktionarizer tool at www.online-utility.org
Have you seen Foreign Language Tool at Online Utility? It puts link before each word to Wiktionary? It is aimed to non-english languages, but at that site there are other similar utilities for English language. --<IP_ADDRESS> 17:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Are the wikis down?
This is the only wiki that works--<IP_ADDRESS> 00:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Namespace
WHy is the main page still in wiki space? Should it not be in article space or main page space? Shyam ( T / C ) 19:16, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

 * It only got moved to the Wiktionary: namespace (relatively) recently. The entry at main page describes is supposed to describe the English phrase, while the default page of the entire project gives much different information.  --Connel MacKenzie 19:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Is the main page redirected to wiktionary space, but it does not show the redirect page link. Will you help me to clear my confusion? Shyam  ( T / C ) 19:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Correct. Since the page was moved only recently, most sister projects have not corrected their links to the original page, so it still redirects (for now.)  MediaWiki:Monobook.js hides the redirection notice for that one particular page (too many people were annoyed seeing the redirect message.)  I don't think we are quite ready to correct  just yet.  --Connel MacKenzie 19:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Got it :) Thanks for clarifying the doubts. Shyam  ( T / C ) 19:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Please disambiguate these definitions, so that I might increase clarity:

 * 1) wiki space
 * 2) article space
 * 3) main page space

Thank You.

Additionally, I've just rolled-over my userpages. How, please, can I make my signon|signin conform thusly??

Thank You.

Hopiakuta 21:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

That amounts to four answers. Please?
Hopiakuta 20:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

cookies
Help:Contents and FAQ need info on cookies for users experiencing trouble using Wiktionary. At the very least, a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie --Espoo 08:55, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

UK/US/other spelling
It's truly embarrassing that there is no info anywhere on what Wiktionary's spelling policy is, not in Help:Contents, Help:How to edit a page, Help:FAQ!

In addition to making this whole project look and be very amateur, this produces chaos and wastes time, e.g. by producing several articles for the same lemma instead of combining efforts into one. For example, we now have "shortcut" and "short cut" and "short-cut". These should be combined and short-cut should be deleted or marked as a rare variant. It's not in any UK or US dictionaries i have; all have either shortcut or short cut, and the former is clearly gaining acceptance in the UK. In fact, http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?dict=CALD&key=73060 shows "shortcut" is even beginning to be considered the normal one in the UK too. --Espoo 10:18, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Damn, you would've saved me a lot of trouble if you had just told me up front that this is en-uk.wiktionary.org, not en.wiktionary.org. Oh wait...  --Connel MacKenzie 20:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I guess you mean the previous editors of Wiktionary, not me? --Espoo 10:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, I think that after we decide whether to use US or UK on the page title, we use the other for rediracts and make mention of both on the eymology section. That way, you can efficiently find either spelling. --DavidBurgess 01:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't really understand what you're saying either, DavidBurgess. Is there an official decision on whether UK or US spelling is the default spelling in Wiktionary or not? If not, each article should say whether the spelling is a regional or global one. As it is, the dictionary is unreliable and amateurish because one can never know if the spelling is global or if someone just forgot to put a regional label on it. Redirects without labels are no help for this. In addition, lots of time is wasted by more than one article being created for the same words with different spellings because editors don't notice the other spelling and because there is apparently no spelling policy. --Espoo 10:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * What you seem to be forgetting, it that we aim to have "all words in all languages." The example you give above perfectly demonstrates why they need to be separate entries!  Obviously, the UK POV is that theirs is the only true English, while the American POV is that en-us is the international language of choice and by far the most common, therefore it should be the default.  India's POV is that with over a billion people, their dialect has the most solid base of speakers, so their spellings should be default.  The Australian POV is that theirs is the most sensible.  The Canadian POV is that their dialect is the most inclusive.  The Jamacian POV is that their dialect is the most flexible.  There is no NPOV way to combine separate headwords.  On en.wiktionary.org, they each get separate entries that refer to each other.

 * I'm not sure if the comment about "spelling policy" is a troll, or just what. "All words in all languages" seems pretty clear.  --Connel MacKenzie 16:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * It seems neither you nor DavidBurgess understood what i'm trying to say. The FAQ and help pages have absolutely no info on what Wiktionary's policy is on regional variations in spelling and meaning. I have no idea how someone could misunderstand that factual statement as trolling. Since the policy is apparently that all variants in all forms of English are considered equally valid, then this should be stated, as it is for example in WP's manual of style. (And these different regional English spelling habits and meanings have nothing to do with different languages; they're all still the same language.) In addition, the policy and FAQ should clarify that it's better to add info about alternative meanings and spellings to already existing entries instead of creating parallel ones and thereby wasting their own and other editors' time and confusing users. The software should also list the search results first, instead of after "You can create an entry with that title" which is as far as many seem to read. In fact, the software should automatically prevent a new full entry for "after party", for example, if "afterparty" already exists; it should automatically enable only the creation of a redirect page in this kind of a clear situation.

 * And yes, DavidBurgess, the whole problem is that the first editors know what kind of English they mean or at least what kind they're using, and they may even be aware that their spelling and/or meaning is different from those used in other forms of English, but the articles do not automatically say what kind of English they describe. So when users and editors come across an article, they don't know whether the article was created by a US, UK, or other kind of editor. It would be important for all articles to say whether the editor decided to first describe US or UK or some other kind of English. Since many people have no idea that their spelling or meaning is different from what's used elsewhere, all articles should automatically be labeled according to the editor's kind of English. All editors should be required to enter a regional label in their account settings that describes what kind of English they speak and write before being allowed to create articles. The software could then automatically add a label saying what kind of English the creator of the article normally uses. (If editors are confident they know about other regional use too, they can then edit the articles and add a second regional label manually.) Future editors could then check to see whether the article's spelling(s) and meaning(s) are also appropriate for their kind of English and add the label for their own kind of English after having added new info if necessary.

 * In any traditional dictionary, users know that an entry without any regional label is acceptable worldwide; here in Wiktionary, they have no idea if they're seeing only a regional use that is not correct elsewhere and that is simply missing the regional label. --Espoo 23:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

 * No, redirects are not acceptable, particularly in that situation. A "soft redirect" might be acceptable.  Yes, each entry should be tagged to identify the region(s) applicable.  If you see a regional term missing the tag, please add it, as indeed, the expectation is that any term not tagged is acceptable worldwide.
 * Are you suggesting the addition of a or  tag, on every definition of every entry, to reduce the ambiguity?  I don't think that would work very well.
 * --Connel MacKenzie 18:37, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciations for Three Words
I am searching for information on how to correctly pronounce these words: Pliny Misenum Herculaneum Thank you very much. Frances 00:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Pliny already does have an IPA pronunciation entered. The other two, you'll need to identify the language for, then request pronunciation on that language Wiktionary, I think.  --Connel MacKenzie 20:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, they're Latin words, and I'm studying them. I can't give an IPA pronunication but I can spell it out:
 * Plinn-ee
 * My-see-num
 * Hur-kyoo-lane-ee-um
 * <IP_ADDRESS> 15:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

what is the difference...
between this site and something like urbandictionary.com? Is this wikitionary supposed to gather slang etc as well? <IP_ADDRESS> 18:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Our goal is quite different from UD. UD is exclusively a slang dictionary.  Wiktionary's focus is on words, not slang.  The goal here is to provide a usable dictionary free of copyright protections.  --Connel MacKenzie 20:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Slang words are words, so there is no reason not to include them. I haven't seen any Wiktionary policy that prevents adding slang, and that would indeed be very strange since all modern dictionaries now include slang. The main difference between us and UD is that we strive for verifiable accuracy whereas UD also accepts fanciful and downright incorrect and made-up "definitions", even words made up by the editors. That also means that we remove incorrect or strange definitions and words that are too rare (especially words used only used by a single editor!). In addition, we strive for a description of the most common standard meanings of a word first and only add possible slang or rare and obsolete standard meanings later.

 * It's true we don't have many expressions or phrases yet, only some of these are mentioned at the article for the main or first word of the phrase (policy missing!), but i'm sure that'll change once we have entries for all the most common English words. --Espoo 11:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * We have our criteria for inclusion to weed out the "urbandictionaryisms" that creep in; on the other hand, we have many entries in category:Slang. What exactly is the question?   --Connel MacKenzie 16:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Interwikis
I see that the Hrvatski Wiktionary is not listed in the interwikis. (You can get to it for example from an interwiki from the page for "m".) Would you please add a link to it? I think it's hr:Glavna stranica. I wonder whether it is the only one missing. The English Wikipedia doesn't list all interwikis on its main page, but it has a big box at the bottom of the page with links to the complete list of languages, and it also now has a link called "Complete list" visible on Java-enabled browsers at the bottom of the list of interwikis on the left. There should be links from the English Wiktionary Main Page to all other language Wiktionaries. Also, I'm curious about how the interwikis are done on this page; I don't see them in the source -- are they in one of the templates? Thanks. --Coppertwig 04:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Other Wiktionaries with less than 100 entries are not listed from the main page, but are listed from Meta (which should still be linked from there...I'll recheck in a moment.) On any page, when you edit it, the "List of templates used on this page" appears below the edit box section.  Yes, the interwikis are in a template.  --Connel MacKenzie 05:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh. Well, it would help the other Wiktionaries to grow if they were a little easier to find.  Maybe a "complete list" link could be added, similar to the one at the bottom of the interwikis on the English Wikipedia Main Page?  Or a link somewhere on the main page telling people that not all the Wiktionaries are listed on the left and leading them to the complete list.  Otherwise, how do people who are able to contribute to a Wiktionary find out that one in a language they know exists?  100 is a pretty low threshold, though.  It's not too bad.  --Coppertwig 03:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I should have read your question more closely. The left column interwikis list only those Wiktionaries that have 1,000 entries or more.  The main reason for this, is so the left column isn't three times longer than the main content panel page length.  In the main content panel, the bottom of the "Wiktionary in other languages" section has two links, that give different views of all Wiktionaries.  Note that those lists are not (and probably cannot be) maintained here.  How would you like those two links to be reworded?  Actually, you should be able to edit Main Page/Otherlang yourself...  --Connel MacKenzie 07:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh. I should have read the Main Page more closely before making my comment.  However:  other people besides me may see the list of languages on the left and jump to the conclusion that those are all the languages with Wiktionaries.  It would be good to have a "Complete list" item as the last item in the list of interwikis at the left, as on the English Wikipedia Main Page.  There, it's been implemented for Java browsers only, requires admin privilege or something to do I think, and I don't know how to do it.  I just think it's a good idea, and actually I pushed to have it implemented there.  1000 entries is too many for one person to easily write on their own, so the Wiktionaries with fewer than 1000 entries need others who speak the language to be able to easily find them, so they can grow.  I was going to look up some Hrvatski words in the Hrvatski Wiktionary and after looking at the Main Page here, I thought there wasn't one and gave up.  Later I happened to notice it when I was looking up "m". OK, it's small so only one of the words I actually wanted to look up was in it, but still.  Not everyone will think of reading all sections of the Main Page if they're looking for interwikis, which are usually on the left. --Coppertwig 17:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh, I see. I'll try to javascript-in that link.  If I forget again, please remind me on my talk page, or request one of the other sysops to add it (probably the grease pit is the best place to ask.)  --Connel MacKenzie 00:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

English/American
This is a genuine question, so please dont lock me out (in thinking that this is a spam). Wicktionary seems to be American spelling and not English (e.g. "Authorise" cannot be found, while "Authorize" caanot)! Is the dictionary supposed to by English or American spelling (or both)? If it is an American based dictionary, could the english alternative be mentioned (either in the main document or in the 'Translations' section)?. When the dictionary does mention the alternative spelling, it does not seem to say which is which.
 * It's both, please see color for an example of how we deal with English/American spellings. So, you may do the same with authorise/authorize. Thanks. Kipmaster 10:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

- Just realised a similar topic is already up (which I did not spot) because the Contents has been labled incorrectly.

Wiktionaries with +100,000 entries
Can someone put French and Vietnamese into their own section for wiktionaries with 100,000 or more words ? It seems unfair to classify these two huge wiktionaries with the rest, especially since they have 20 times 10,000 words. --<IP_ADDRESS> 12:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy Anniversary!
It's a day late, but congratulations to all the contributors! --CocoaZen 18:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

CHRIST! (sorry but) Wiktionary's editing tools are embarrasing, please add an IPA input tool.
 * It's there. Just select it from the drop-down menu (near the bottom of the screen) when in edit mode. SemperBlotto 23:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Is Wiktionary.org heading in the right direction?
I noticed that Wiktionary.org is not such a useful place for finding a translation of a word. It just does not look and feel like a useful dictionary. Here are some of the reasons:

 * There is no translation dedicated search (for instance, I cannot look up a word in English and get translations just in Spanish) Having multiple translations is good for general purposes, but it is annoying when you quickly want to look up a word.

 * It seems that every dictionary domain (en, fr, sp).wiktionary.org wants to define every translation in every language, without using existing definitions. For instance, when I looked up a word 'call' in English, all the translations in other languages were pointing to the English domain. This is, strictly speaking, a good approach, since you will explain the translations in English, but it is an awful waste of time! Think about an English-Spanish speaker who wants to contribute to Wiktionary: she would need to translate all English words into Spanish for both English and Spanish domains (and vice versa)! This is an n! progression and it will take a huge amount of time.

 * Wiktinary.org should use more pictures, not only for nouns, but verbs and adjectives as well, when the meaning can be conveyed easily (e.g. run, jump, angry, happy etc.).

Lead paragraph is wrong...
"In this English edition, started on December 12, 2002, we currently have 318,655 entries in 389 languages."

Hmm. --<IP_ADDRESS> 13:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What is your point? In the English Wiktionary, English words get a definition, non-English words get a translation into English. In the French Wiktionary, French words get a definition, non-French words get a translation into French. And so on. SemperBlotto 14:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yea, and the first half of the first sentence "Welcome to the English-language Wiktionary, a collaborative project to produce a free, multilingual dictionary " is poorly worded. I rekcon you need to say "Welcome to the English-language Wiktionary, part of a collaborative project..." <IP_ADDRESS> 09:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Poorly worded in what way? The English Wiktionary is a multilingual dictionary.  We have entries for words in mearly 400 languages.  For some langauges, we have more than 10,000 entries.  Most multilingual dictionaries I've ever seen are designed for use by someone who reads/speaks a specific language, but who needs to be able to translate words from several other languages.  That is what we do.  I have never seen the term "mutlilingula dictionary" used to mean that the dictionary is written for users of every language.   --EncycloPetey 15:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I love WOTD
Thanks guys, this is really helping expand my vocab. CuCulon 14:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Good words
I have been thinking about this idea for awhile. Basically wikipedia has its featured articles, and what do we have as a benchmark for quality? AFAIK nothing. Why dont we create something like a "good page", a page that is formatted correctly, defined correctly, and translated correctly. If a page is given this status it could be put in a category, and tagged on its talk page as good, and to also see which articles are lacking.

Also, translation projects could work on making sure that each translation is correct, and have their own little tag.

What do you all think?

Bearingbreaker92 20:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Please move this to WT:BP. Great minds think alike - apparently at the same time, too!  --Connel MacKenzie 20:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)  I meant you, Bearingbraker92, and User:EncycloPetey.  Idiom abuse!   I accept three demerits.  --Connel MacKenzie 21:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

 * (Edit conflict -- that makes three of us) I think this would get more visibility in WT:BP (where you may well be pointed at past conversations generally agreeing with you, and maybe even some action in that direction). --Eng in ear 20:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Wherever it gets looked at is fine with me! Bearingbreaker92 21:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Sesotho Wiktionary
Could you please move the Sesotho (Southern Sotho) Wiktionary, http://st.wiktionary.org/, listing from 100+ to 1000+ as there are more than 1000 entries on that Wiki. Thanks! --JAKoli4 14:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC) Is it maybe possible to change the link on the front page http://www.wiktionary.org/ ? --JAKoli4 14:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Congratulations, again. Reminder: www.wiktionary.org requests are handled somewhere on .  --Connel MacKenzie 02:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Firefox Plugin for Wiktionary
We could use a plugin for Wiktionary. It will be extremely productive, and also we would have a lot more entries and edits. If there is one, please tell us where to get it at. Thanks. --Bookinvestor 20:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm copying this to the Grease pit where it will get a wider (and more technically biased) audience. --Eng in ear 21:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Front text
Surfing GerardM's blog, I took an hour to watch Erin's presentation to Google...spectacular. Anyway, we don't really have an equivalent to a regular print dictionary's "Front Text" anywhere. Do we? Since the interwiki list is now longer than the Main Page content layout, perhaps we could add another minor section to it, to balance it out a little better? Thoughts? --Connel MacKenzie 08:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

honest/confidential
hi there! can someone help me by telling me the difference between honesty and confidentality... i mean in professional life how is it possible to be honest and at the same time ensure that you are not leaking out confidential information about your work or organization. regards Anastashia 06:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)sai

 * "I'm sorry, [sir/m'am], but I am not authorized to disclose any confidential information." --Connel MacKenzie 06:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Legal dictionary
I think it could be a neat feature not present in other normal dictionaries to have legal definitions among the entries and explanations. What do you people think? Lordmetroid 13:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC) You're right, we should do something about that.<IP_ADDRESS> 06:45, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Definitions specific to the legal industry are tagged with the qualifier.  That, of course, results in the Category:Law.  Of all terms we have on Wiktionary, those should (and sometimes are) be regularly scoured for copyright violations.  --Connel MacKenzie 02:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Question
Couldn't find a reference desk so I'll ask here. Is there a specific name for adjectives that mean "of or pertaining to..." ? Is there a list of such words? <IP_ADDRESS> 09:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The shortcut to the Information desk is WT:ID. I'll move this there for you. --Eng in ear 13:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit
Could an admin add  exactly like that, this should change the tab's title from "project page" to "main page". Thanks, Wiki  bean  dude 7 00:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Why should it be misleading, like that? --Connel MacKenzie 02:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Are you being sarcastic? Wiki  bean  dude 7 02:21, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

 * All pages in the Wiktionary namespace have "project page" as their tab. --EncycloPetey 02:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, I know, but since this is the main page, not a project page, it should include the code, to change the tab. Look at the English Wikipedia's main page for more info. Wiki  bean  dude 7 20:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I disagree. Main Page is already mangled to appear the same as Main Page.  But without that link (that you want eliminated?) one cannot press ALT-C to arrive cleanly at the page intended (sans redirect.)  Again, why would you want it to be more misleading?  --Connel MacKenzie 18:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Automatic IPA to SAMPA conversion
Is there a way to include automatic IPA to SAMPA conversion ? Frigo 12:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Not at this time. Know anyone adept at converting one to the other?  --Connel MacKenzie 02:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

 * A converter wouldn't be hard except that you'd have to be sure the IPA was free of tonal and aspirational markings. --EncycloPetey 02:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

 * There was a mention in WT:GP about adapting fr:wikt:'s Javascript converter. I haven't had time for it, myself, yet.  --Connel MacKenzie 07:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia terms as entries
Wikipedia has a terminology, just most companies and activities and lifestyles have a terminology. I think Wikipedia terms meet Wiktionary's criteria of inclusion. Wikipedia is Wiktionary's sister site. Wikipedia terms include terms like "stub", "vandalism", and "original research." Tedius Zanarukando 02:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I use for that sort of thing.  If someone goes overboard adding more than a dozen or so terms (total) though, someone is bound to notice, and they'll all be deleted (again?)  --Connel MacKenzie 02:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Why is this discussion happening on the Main Page discussion page? --EncycloPetey 02:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Croatian (Hrvatski) Wiktionary
I didn't know how to get into contact with an administrator elsewhere, so I decided to post this here on the oft-read English Wiktionary's main page discussion area. Hopefully nobody will mind.

The Croatian Wiktionary ( http://hr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Glavna_stranica ) has surpassed 1,000 articles, and yet still the main page of Wiktionary ( http://wiktionary.org/ ) displays it under the "100+" category, instead of "1,000+". Somebody please notify the necessary person to correct this. —<IP_ADDRESS> 03:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

 * This has been fixed. There are many, many Wiktionary projects now.  Updating can take a few days. --EncycloPetey 18:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately it does not seem to be the case that it has been fixed. Observing the main Wiktionary page ( http://www.wiktionary.org/ ), one does not see "Hrvatski" (Croatian) under the 1,000+ heading, but sees it under the (false) 100+ heading.

 * It still requires fixing. Where did you get the idea that it has been fixed? —<IP_ADDRESS> 07:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

 * There is a (Wiktionary?) page for such requests (and you are correct, there are a couple meta: admins that read this page occasionally.)  I think EP meant that en.wikt:'s page has been updated.  --Connel MacKenzie 07:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Aha, I see. Well, I have posted a request in the discussion page of that link which you gave to Wiktionary. Hopefully somebody who can take care of it will notice it over there. —<IP_ADDRESS> 13:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Hi, I'm the one who usually updates the Wiktionary and Wikipedia portals, but since I rarely have enough time to read discussion pages these days (even my own talk page here), I rely on Wikimedia News for milestone information. From now on, would you mind updating Wikimedia News when you notice that a wiki has reached 100, 1,000, or 10,000 entries? Thanks. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 11:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikiversity link
Wikiversity link is showing in red. <IP_ADDRESS> Mglovesfun 18:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC) (I forgot to log in)
 * Where? It looks fine on my computer and the link works. --EncycloPetey 18:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Question
I can't find the word: "damsire" anywhere! What is the definition and why isn't it here?
 * It's been added now. --Eng in ear 10:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Translation
Hi I'd like to translate http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Help:How_to_check_translations into German, which is my mothertongue. So I wanted to ask for permission. Or is it restricted? Regards

 * This is a wiki, you don't need permission ... by all means create a sub-page in German, and add a link at the top of that page. (Or at least, that's how I'd do it.) If you are asking if you can "steal" it for the de.wikt, go ahead. Robert Ullmann 17:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

No that's not what I wanted ^^ thank you

what's the point?
why is there a wiktionary and a wikipedia??
 * So that people may look up information. --EncycloPetey 19:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Bortobore: Wiki+Dictionary=Wiktionary Wiki+Encyclapedi=Wikipedia

Simple math. (and last time i checked encyclapedias and dictionarys were different things. Speaking of im on the wrong website.)

 * If there is no translation function corresponding between languages, there seems to be very little value in having a "Wiktionary." This product is very cumbersome, if not useless to use.  It's primary purpose seems to be defining words in languages users are already familiar with.  If I want to use a language that I am not familiar with, I need to buy a converting dictionary for that language to English OR find an online version, rather than use Wiktionary.  Stevenmitchell 15:50, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Building content is different from using it. Wiktionary is still in a very early stage.  But we do provide translations (on en.wiktionary to/from English, on fr.witk: to/from French, etc.)  Native speakers of any language are welcome to contribute to the growing collection of knowledge here.  For learning another language, you probably are better off finding another resource at this point in time.  Eventually, this will surpass anything out there.  --Connel MacKenzie 18:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Good luck buying all those dictionaries. To get the coverage we have on the English Wiktionary, you'll need Spanish, Italian, French, Swedish, Chinese, Japanese, Danish, ... And those won't be cross-linked to other wiktionaries and the Wikipedia for relevant articles. --EncycloPetey 21:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Googled
Its a common term used by many people. "You can google it". "I googled it and came back with nothing. That is, to search using Google. <IP_ADDRESS> 01:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

 * This is the talk page for discussing the Main Page. (But to answer your inquiry, it's already on Wiktionary... Google). ~MDD4696 01:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Search engine links
What's with the lame "display: none" search engine links at the top of the main page (view the source)? There's absolutely no point in having them... web crawlers and search engines have evolved beyond simply looking at links to categorize websites. It just cries out "we're new here and not confident about ourselves". ~MDD4696 01:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Alexa significance
Looking at http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?site0=en.wiktionary.org&site1=m-w.com&site2=dictionary.com&site3=urbandictionary.com&site4=&y=r&z=3&h=400&w=700&range=max&size=Large&url=en.wiktionary.org I see several things I find pretty significant...

One is that the surge of users/newcomers at the end of summer isn't specific to Wiktionary; it does seem to be a worldwide phenomenon that internet use decreases each summer, only to redouble each fall. Wiktionary's steady (exponential) growth is interesting in that light.

The other thing I noted when I checked it last night, was that http://en.wiktionary.org/ (the main page) was taking 6.9 seconds to load. This morning it is a more reasonable 1.4 seconds. But still, for a webstite's main page, we should probably be aiming for something more like www.google.com used to have: very, very, very little. A big search box, front and center, is really all that belongs on the main page.

That would be a pretty radical departure from what we've done in the past though. So general discussion is probably the best start, on such a wide topic...

--Connel MacKenzie 20:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

More on English/American
I think that it is impossible to try and maintain Wiktionary as "English" (covering all varieties) when it is clearly American English.

Amusingly, in Wiktionary, variations of spellings written in the Queen's English, as opposed to American English are often indicated as such with "British English", which in itself is an American-only English term. Amongst speakers of the proper form of English 'British English' is incorrect use of the term 'British'.

This is true for several reasons; in the real world (outside of USA) 'British' implies the whole of Great Britain, in which there are several local variations of English (influenced by various Celtic languages), and does not imply, as it should, an association with the national language of the English people of England. "British" is not a language. In fact, several languages are spoken throughout Great Britain. Americans commonly (mis)identify only the English as "British", when in the real world, British people could be anyone from several nations, speaking any of several languages.

Secondly, the real form of English is not only spoken within England, or Great Britain for that matter, it is also the national language of other countries, including Australia and New Zealand, which are in no way "British", and is commonly spoken and written by many millions of people throughout the globe, who vastly outnumber the speakers of the American brand. I see that some pages present the real English term as an 'alternative' (secondary) spelling under the title "Commonwealth English". This is an improvement over "British English", but there is clearly no facilitation of consistency, and an unfair under-representation of the language in international terms.

Therefore - I denounce the identification scheme used by Wiktionary, which presents the real English language as a kind of bastard half-brother of the American variety, and also incorrectly and inconsistently names the language, and presents a truly and disproportionately biased 'international' dictionary of the English language to the world at large, containing what really only amounts to rampant international cultural Americanisation (spelled with an 's').

Anton Gerdelan, New Zealand

 * Oh, quit trolling already... funny counterexample though: sympathise and sympathize. (If someone fixes it, sympathize redirected to sympathise, which defined itself as an alternative spelling of sympathise). ~MDD4696 02:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

 * We will gladly welcome more contributors who are kiwis, or from down under, South Africa, Liberia, Belize, India, and any of the other myriad places where English is spoken. Unfortunately, we have very few such contributors.  In actuality, most "British" terms here are identified as "UK" or "RP" (for pronunciation), not "British English".  These are only marked when the term is restricted to that region.  We also mark some terms as "US" when the term is restricted to the US.  We also identify words with "Canada", "Australia", and "NZ" when we know that a term is restricted in meaning to one of those areas.  So, the whole basis for your complaint is unfounded. And, by the way, we have far more Europeans contributing to this Wiktionary project than Americans, so please stop throwing your unfounded biases around.  If you want to see improvement, please step in with help by voicing concerns in the various community fora.  Better still, why not join the project an fix problems yourself? Complaining once and then leaving solves nothing.  --EncycloPetey 02:57, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your comments. Consistency is very important and also somewhat difficult to maintain. As an American living abroad I am well aware of the differences. However, I cannot personally attest to what is Commonwealth vs. what must be identified more specifically. Please feel welcome to contribute. Even if you do not think the term "Commonwealth" is ideal, we can all agree that it would be an improvement, and by the way it's not too difficult to change the label later once the initial distinction has been made. <IP_ADDRESS> 15:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Recommendation re: Upload Page
A user EncycloPetey on Wikipedia, who is an administrator here, sent me a message requesting that I upload to commons a couple images I had uploaded here. He wanted me to do it so that the upload would be credited to me rather than him. Considering he was nice enough to do that, I did so, and in the process even converted the images from JPG to PNG. Then I left him a message that I had uploaded the images to Commons and changed the pages that used them to reflect that the images were now PNGs instead of JPEGs.

Noting that he was trying to remove those images from Wiktionary, I went back to check (by clicking on that link) and they are removed. It shows a link saying that they are missing, you could upload them (which is correct). So I figured, since the user who contacted me doesn't want any more uploads to Wiktionary (it does make more sense to use Commons) I'd see what happens. Using that link indicates that the page is restricted to sysops, which in this case is valid. But I felt that the PHP source of the page should be edited so that rather than just blandly saying it's a restricted page, it should also say that uploads should be directed to Wikimedia Commons, and have a link to the upload page there.

I am going to suggest this on Bugzilla, but I also wanted to pass it on here in case it is something that is a local change rather than a codebase change. Rfc1394 07:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks, but the normal upload link is to commons. The upload page can be edited by any sysop here.  What would you like it to say?  --Connel MacKenzie 00:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

No Esperanto link
I don't know if this is the right forum to to discuss this, but there is no link to the Esperanto-version of Wiktionary under "in other languages."SonPraises 07:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Look again; it's under the section for 100+ articles. --EncycloPetey 23:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk pages of transcluded content
Of all the subpages transcluded onto the Main Page, only two, Main Page/AOL and Main Page/Otherlang, have non-empty talk pages. Should the others be redirected to this talk page or just left alone? I assume someone's watching all these subpages for any discussion... - dcljr 00:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm watching one of the non-empty ones (for Wiktionary in Other Languages), because I periodically update the subpage and want to know of concerns/questions people have. I've no idea about the others. --EncycloPetey 00:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

500 000
Anyone know link to article #500 000?
 * I *think* it's the Scots & English verb form boaks, but I'm not sure. The milestones page gives 16@r's French verb rigoler. --EncycloPetey 06:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Wictionary needs improvement
I am a newcomer, and I happen to be having a very difficult time understanding the policies and guidelines here, as there aren't too many pages describing them. We need to improve on this. Joey Felder 09:10, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You are right. We do need more help for newcomers.  Part of the reason we don't have more is that we have fewer than 100 regular contributors.  Part of the reason is that most newcomers edit only one word, then never return.  Part of the reason is that we are currently discussing and voting on issues that may cause significant changes to our policies and guidelines.  Part of the reason is that some of our community like to avoid creating lots of written policies and be more flexible.

 * This does not change the fact that there should be more help for newcomers. If you can name specific questions and issues which would be most helpful, the community might be able to make a start on those.  I recommend that you make a short list and post it in the Beer Parlour, our primary discussion forum. --EncycloPetey 18:06, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bay Conference

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. (I don't understand the original relist: there was already a good participation.) -Splash talk 18:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Bay Conference
nn high school atheltic league.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 00:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, nn and unencyclopedic. Roy  boy cr ash  fan  [[Image:Flag_of_Texas.svg|30px]] 01:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, non-notable organization-- T B C [[Image:Confused-tpvgames.gif|18px|]] ???  ???   ??? 01:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, nn. --BrownHairedGirl 01:15, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. - the.crazy.russian   (T)   (C)   (E)  01:35, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 04:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, nn. --Ter e nce Ong 10:46, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep A quick read of the article demonstrates that it is indeed notable, having produced several state champions in the past few years. It consists of several notable high schools, and includes a number of notable local rivalries. Other than dittoing the nomination, none of those in favor of deletion are offering any factual justification to delete the article based on objective standards. As the article meets criteria for notability for an organization, it should be Kept. Furthermore, there is no place to merge this information into, meaning that deletion removes useful information. Alansohn 13:24, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom --Focoe 15:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. If high schools are notable (although that particular policy may be revised) a league that has produced some national champions should be notable IMHO. Grand  master  ka  17:00, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per Alansohn, or alternatively create a List of Wisconsin athletic conferences or something along those lines and merge it into that. BryanG 23:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to De Pere High School or keep. Bahn Mi 02:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

'This AfD is being relisted to generate a clearer consensus. Please add new discussion below this notice. Thanks!' Johnleemk | Talk 16:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep As per Grandmasterka. Seano1 00:55, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete nn and unencyclopedic. MaNeMeBasat 06:45, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep As per Alansohn Wangster 02:02, 29 March 2006 (UTC) Also, there is already a category with similar articles (Category: High School sports conferences) Wangster 02:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


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