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Portal talk:Mathematics

If you want to experiment with a radical new version of Portal:Mathematics you can work at Portal:Mathematicsnew.

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Some minor touches
I sorted the Topics, removed "Topic:" from each of the subdivisions' names, created a new Elementary Mathematics division to help reduce clutter, and fixed a couple other minor details. MichaelShoemaker 01:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Exponents grade 8 Shsiw si (discuss • contribs) 13:37, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

New page format
Please help to include featured content and links to Wikiversity content about mathematics. --JWSchmidt 16:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Link
see http://equmath.net/ which is very good -- <IP_ADDRESS> 16:50, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[In violation of copyright laws, equmath.net duplicates the content of http://www.sosmath.com.]

Most-perfect magic square
Dear friends,

I was on a long wikibreak. I started to work again on most-perfect magic square, see sandbox/squares, sandbox/squares (details), Values of the Chautisa Yantra_magic square and.

The informations are to large for a Wikipedia article. Please ket me know at user talk:Gangleri if somebody can cooperate in writing, proofreading, advising about these topics.

links at The On-Line Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences!
 * search "magic+square"
 * "most perfect magic square"
 * A151941 The number of most-perfect magic squares of order 2^m where m>=2.
 * searching the "all ones" sequences
 * I have some ideas about making a generalisation of the Frénicle standard form using Galois group (see Galois theory) and residuals (see Isomorphism, Automorphism) to show that there is only one "generalised esentialy different" most-perfect magic square
 * examples ilustrates some of the homeomorphisms

Best regards and greatings from Munich. Best regards

·לערי ריינהארט·T·m:Th·T·email me· 23:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

 * P.S. meta:project:Babel#en:most-perfect magic squares - Jain squares and their graphical and algebraic pattern
 * deleted material at meta about 4x4 type squares
 * ·לערי ריינהארט·T·m:Th·T·email me· 23:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

A place for research
Where is a good place for collaborative research on work on filters and lattices?

Answer: Filters on Posets wiki

Here is the bibliography:

 * 1) Roland Backhouse. Galois Connections and Fixed Point Calculus. 2001.
 * 2) Grzegorz Bancerek. Prime ideals and filters. Formalized Mathematics, 8(2), 1996.
 * 3) Garrett Birkhoff. Neutral elements in general lattices. Bulletin of the American Mathematical Society, 46(8):702–705, 1940.
 * 4) Francis Borceux and Maria-Cristina Pediccio. On primeness and maximality of filters. Cahiers de Topologie et GÃľomÃľtrie DiffÃľrentielle CatÃľgoriques, 30(2):167–181, 1989.
 * 5) M. Erne, J. Koslowski, A. Melton, and G. E. Strecker. A primer on Galois connections.
 * 6) JÃąn JakubÃŋk. Center of infinitely distributive lattices. Matem. fyz. casopis, 8:116–120, 1957.
 * 7) JÃąn JakubÃŋk. Center of a complete lattice. Czechoslovak Mathematical Journal, 23(1):125–138, 1973.
 * 8) Hirokazu Nishimura. An approach to the dimension theory of continuous geometry from the standpoint of boolean valued analysis. Publications of the research Institute for Mathematical Sciences, 20(5):1091–1101, 1984.
 * 9) PlanetMath. Criteria for a poset to be a complete lattice. At http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/CriteriaForAPosetToBeACompleteLattice.html.
 * 10) Wikipedia. Distributive lattice –- wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, 2009. [Online; accessed 13-May-2009].

Posted for Porton by CQ 14:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of that, where is a good place for collaborative research in mathematics in general? DariusGoad (discuss • contribs) 20:56, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

PDF Files and Audio Books, The Wiki3
I'm very much interested in Mathematics, maybe a bit more compared to other areas of Science.... Does anyone think it would be a bit more interesting if we could download or view online mainly pdf, or other file reading formats of the main subjects and.... if Wiki volunteers, would want creating general knowledge audio books of the main subject...

eg.... A Main book about science and another separate audio book of subjects included, and sub audio books on parts of the subject book and goes on....

and we can call it wiki3 or Media3 (MediaWiki+mp3)

Does anyone think that would work....

Popularity of Portal:Mathematics
89. 2488 - Portal:Mathematics in Statistics/2019/06 --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 22:18, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Mathematics
How to change dollars to rands Bongiwe Magwenyane (discuss • contribs) 15:41, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Disorganized topics list
It seems like the topic list could be better organized. I'm new to editing so I don't want to do it myself, since I'd worry that I'd break a link to a page. But is "fundamental mathematics" different from "college mathematics" and "elementary mathematics" and "secondary mathematics"? And then there's another category of "general mathematics"? And "trigonometry" falls underneath several of these, so probably shouldn't be such a high-level topic. It would be good to collapse and clean these categories. And is "properties" really deserving of a whole topic? --Addemf (discuss • contribs) 23:20, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Be bold. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 20:50, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Accounting
To have accounting free text books on our phones <IP_ADDRESS> (discuss) 15:16, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

 * See OpenStax: Business. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:50, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Categories list is difficult to read on mobile
On my phone I have a hard time reading the category list. Smeagol2069 (discuss • contribs) 23:59, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Someone with experience in Mathematics needs to adjust the categories into subcategories. See Categories for appropriate structure(s). -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 03:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

 * I'd be happy to adjust the categories, I just can't figure out how it's all structured in Wikiversity. You try to edit the category page and it inherits from another page.  You go chase that page and it says that it inherits from somewhere else.  You go chase that page and can't see where the data is coming from.  Addemf (discuss • contribs) 14:39, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Recommended sequence of courses
I wonder if anyone would agree that it would be nice to have, as prominently displayed as possible, a recommended sequence of courses? The category listing seems like the first and main thing that a new viewer would look at to see what's available here, and it really leaves one with a sense of disorganization and not much of a sense of what is available.

I would place Arithmetic as a foundational course, after which we can list Algebra, then Geometry, Calculus, Discrete Math, Linear Algebra, and so on. I don't know exactly how we would display and maintain the recommended sequence. We might also want to display a "tree" structure rather than a straight-line. But something like this seems like it would be very helpful to a new visitor.

Unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with how to edit this sort of data to do it myself, but I'm happy to discuss ideas if anyone knows more than me about how to do it. Addemf (discuss • contribs) 06:14, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

 * I have just added a section on the portal page. For now it is just a plain text list.  I hope to eventually internally link some of these to courses that have already been partially or fully implemented.
 * I also welcome any corrections or additions to the list, this is only a first attempt at presenting some useful organization. Addemf (discuss • contribs) 17:35, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, it occurs to me that we may have several different people producing several different versions of the same course. For instance, I have been thinking about creating a course on "reasoning", but one aimed at philosophers, scientists, and mathematicians.  It will overlap heavily with the existing course on discrete mathematics for computer scientists, and one could take either course in order to satisfy the "discrete mathematics" prerequisite listed in the "Suggested Courses" section.  But how would people know that it exists?
 * Would we want to (a) make these links to a page of links to courses? Or (b) list the various course options directly in the recommendation section of the portal?
 * I think to keep the portal looking somewhat clean, I'd favor (a) but want to hear if anyone has other thoughts. Addemf (discuss • contribs) 18:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Portuguese/Contents/Irregular verbs

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I started expanding something about irregular verbs. Wrote about anomalous verbs so far, still left to do are the garden-variety irregular (dar, estar, caber, etc.) which have future subjunctive different from personal infinitive and the simpler sound-shift classes.

Anyway, in a real textbook, irregulars shouldn't be presented all together -- they'll just cause a meltdown in the student's brain. Since this book isn't organized in lesson format, though, we have no choice but to stick it all together. Maybe we ought to break it up into sections later on to help students wrap their heads around it better.

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The Girl with the Jade Green Eyes

The Girl with the Jade Green Eyes is a novel by John Boyd published in 1978.

Plot summary
The Girl with the Jade Green Eyes is a novel about green aliens, a Naval examination center, and spies.

Reception
C. Ben Ostrander reviewed The Girl with the Jade Green Eyes in The Space Gamer No. 17. Ostrander commented that the novel "is a fun little book [...] I did enjoy the two hours I spent reading it."

Kirkus Reviews states "Can this book really be as awful as it sounds? Yes, indeed. Boyd (author of the malodorous Barnard's Planet, 1975) writes with somewhat less poise and control than a busted cement mixer."

Reviews

 * Review by Stephen W. Potts (1979) in Science Fiction & Fantasy Book Review, March 1979
 * Review by David Grigg (1979) in Australian SF News, March 1979
 * Review by uncredited (1979) in Science Fiction: A Review of Speculative Literature, #4
 * Review by Paul Kincaid (1979) in Vector 95

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John de Lancie
Voting period ends on 20 Jul 2012 at 17:21:53 (UTC)
 * Reason:Great quality portrait, high EV.
 * Articles in which this image appears:John de Lancie, My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic fandom, The Return of Harmony
 * FP category for this image:Featured_pictures/People/Entertainment
 * Creator: Unknown; owned and released into the public domain by John de Lancie

 * Support as nominator --Ciaran Sinclair (talk) 17:21, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose. I know these actor headshots are designed to concentrate on facial features and grab casting agents' attention, but it doesn't translate that well into a 'traditional' portrait. His hair being cut off is problematic IMO. Ðiliff    «»  (Talk)  07:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Stronger oppose. The tight crop creates more problems than the hair. Daniel Case (talk) 21:41, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I am a big fan of these kind of shots released into the public domain/under free licenses, and I'd love to support. Frankly, though, of the three this is my least favourite. I would be potentially willing to support either of the other two, depending on resolution; I'm having a little trouble accessing them... J Milburn (talk) 23:06, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Daniel Caseal (talk) 10:56, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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User:Mbartner/sandbox

The wikipedia page, "iPhone X," is very informative. It covers a lot of objective details about the device and its origin. Also, each sentence is a concise, objective statement, which keeps the article neutral and easy to find information. However, because it is a relatively new page, it is relatively short and lacks some important details, such as the different colors you can purchase the phone in. That being said, I plan on contributing some extra details that page might have left out so that readers can be better informed about the product.

Link to page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_X

My first addition was a sentence about the color options that the iPhone X comes in. This information is significant to include, especially because of the media hype that the iPhone received when they first introduced a white iPhone after having only had a black option for over 4 years. I received this information from Apple's website in their "tech specs" tab for the iPhone (https://www.apple.com/iphone-x/specs/). Additionally, I added two sentences talking about the material and its features of the phone. This information included the type of steel used to create the phone and the environmental protections it provides, like from water and dust. I found this information also on Apple's website, however, in their general iPhone X description page (https://www.apple.com/iphone-x/). Lastly, I updated the "predecessor field" to inform readers that the iPhone X was preceded by the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. This information didn't need to be cited as it is relatively common knowledge and there is a graph on the page that displays that the iPhone 7 came before the iPhone X.

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Organic Chemistry/Isocyanate

Organic isocyanates have the formula R-N=C=O where R can be either alkyl or aryl. They can be solids or liquids. Isocyanates are generally toxic and must be handled with great care, especially the more volatile isocyanates where inhalation is a primary route of exposure.

Isocyanates are usually produced by reacting an amine with phosgene (COCl2):

They are very reactive molecules, reacting with nucleophiles such as water, alcohols or amines. The reactions involve attack at the carbon of the isocyanate in a manner similar to that for carboxylic acid derivates such as esters or anhydrides.

Water reacts with isocyantes to give a carbamic acid. This reaction is catalyzed by tertiary amines. Carbamic acids are unstable and decompose to carbon dioxide and an amine, R-NH2

Alcohols react with isocyanates to give carbamates which are also known as urethanes. This reaction is catalyzed by tertiary amines or salts of metals such as tin, iron and mercury.

Primary and secondary amines react with isocyanates to give substituted ureas.

R' and R" can be H, alkyl or aryl

Isocyanates themselves to give dimers and trimers.

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1954 Kansas Jayhawks football team

The 1954 Kansas Jayhawks football team represented the University of Kansas in the Big Seven Conference during the 1954 college football season. In their first season under head coach Chuck Mather, the Jayhawks compiled a 0–10 record (0–6 against conference opponents), the first winless season in school history. They would not have another winless season until 2015. Kansas finished last in the Big Seven Conference, and were outscored by all opponents by a combined total of 377 to 93. They played their home games at Memorial Stadium in Lawrence, Kansas.

During the season, Bud Laughlin led the team in rushing yards with a total of 339 yards, while Bev Buller led in passing yards with 303 yards. The team was captained by Bud Bixler.

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Talk:Database management systems

Take a look at Topic Talk:Databases. Just for coordinating efforts. --Jorge 22:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

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Roland Frank

Roland John Herbert Frank (10 October 1932 – 16 March 1991) was a British-Kenyan field hockey player. He competed in the men's tournament at the 1956 Summer Olympics.

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Waterbeach Barracks

Waterbeach Barracks was a military installation in Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire. The site was an RAF Station, RAF Waterbeach and then used by the Royal Engineers, part of the British Army, from 1966, until 2013 when the site closed to make way for housing.

History
In 1966 the station and airfield remained the property of the Ministry of Defence, but was transferred from the Royal Air Force to the Royal Engineers, part of the British Army. Until the closure of nearby RAF Oakington in the early 1970s, the main runway at Waterbeach remained active, along with the control tower, and was used as a relief landing ground for Varsities used in the advanced pilot training role. The barracks, airfield and surrounding quarters most recently housed 12 (Air Support) Engineer Group. The former airfield was used as a training area for troops, with occasional visits by helicopters and, in the past, by Harriers. 25 Engineer Regiment was disbanded on 19 April 2012. Two of its squadrons (34 Field Squadron and 53 Field Squadron) have become part of 39 Engineer Regiment and will move to RAF Kinloss.

In July 2011 the Ministry of Defence announced that Waterbeach Barracks will close, and the site sold for housing. In November 2011 and March 2012 the Ministry of Defence announced that 39 Engineer Regiment would move to Kinloss Barracks in July 2012. A total of 930 Service personnel will move to Kinloss, and 44 Service personnel to Wittering. HQ 12 (Air Support) Engineer Group will move from Waterbeach to RAF Wittering in October 2012, with the complete closure of Waterbeach Barracks by 1 April 2013.

First units of 39 Engineer Regiment (Air Support) arrived at Kinloss Barracks in June 2012, with the majority leaving Waterbeach during July. Their move was complete by September 2012. Waterbeach Barracks closed on 28 March 2013.

The site was subject to an MOD disposal process by the Defence Infrastructure Organisation, and in August 2014 Urban&Civic were appointed as Development Partners. In October 2015 they held open days for local residents to tour the site and meet the design team, as the first stage of their consultation on the development of the MoD site and surrounding farmland, as new settlements. Regular Newsletters for local residents are being issued. In December 2015 a community engagement report on the Open Days was published by David Lock Associates, for Urban&Civic, which included the open day display boards.

During 2016 design workshops were held bringing together the Urban&Civic and RLW Estates design teams, key local authority partners, the parish council, neighbourhood plan working group, and local residents.

The Ministry of Defence announced that disposal would not take place before 2022. Urban&Civic took over the management of the site in 2015.

Waterbeach Military Heritage Museum
In June 1984, a station museum was established by the Army to record and preserve items from RAF Waterbeach - in particular, from 514 Squadron, who hold their reunions at the barracks every year - as well as artefacts from the Army (39 Engineer Regiment). Although the barracks closed in March 2013, the Museum closed to visitors on 30 September 2012.

In 2011, John Hamlin, an aviation historian and the museum curator, wrote a book documenting the history of RAF Waterbeach and Waterbeach Barracks, to raise money for the museum. In 2014, it was updated to include closure and contact information

In December 2012, a group of villagers set up a trust, the Waterbeach Military Heritage Museum, and the Army gifted the collection to it. The barracks museum contents were stored outside the barracks. The honorary curator from the barracks continued to answer enquiries and carry out research. He had an assurance from the most likely developers of the MOD-owned airfield and barracks (RLW Estates, and then Urban & Civic) that the inclusion of a Museum would form an important part of the site's heritage.

During 2015, the museum started the move back into its building at the barracks, and it was formally re-opened on 17 June 2017. The building was also made available to community groups and for use as workshops by Urban & Civic.

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Category talk:Esperanto prepositions

The preposition "po" should be entered under the letter "p", meaning: "apiece" or "at the rate of". The meaning "concerning" should be added to the preposition "pri" to distinguish it more from "cxirkaux".

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1962 Kansas Jayhawks football team

The 1962 Kansas Jayhawks football team represented the University of Kansas in the Big Eight Conference during the 1962 NCAA University Division football season. In their fifth season under head coach Jack Mitchell, the Jayhawks compiled a 6–3–1 record (4–2–1 against conference opponents), finished fourth in the Big Eight Conference, and outscored all opponents by a combined total of 214 to 116. They played their home games at Memorial Stadium in Lawrence, Kansas.

The team's statistical leaders included Gale Sayers with 1,125 rushing yards, Lloyd Buzzi with 118 receiving yards and Rodger McFarland with 366 passing yards. McFarland and Ken Tiger were the team captains.

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Bom Jesus (ship)

The Bom Jesus was a Portuguese nau and Indiaman that set sail from Lisbon, Portugal, on Friday, March 7, 1533. Its fate was unknown until 2008, when its remains were discovered during diamond mining operations on the coast of Namibia, near Oranjemund. Today, the Bom Jesus is the oldest known and most valuable shipwreck ever discovered off the Western coast of Sub-Saharan Africa.

Origin
The Bom Jesus was a Portuguese trading vessel constructed in the early 1500s during a period of intensive expansion of the Portuguese Empire under Manuel I of Portugal. While little is known about the history of the Bom Jesus itself, it is speculated that the ship was part of a class of naval vessels that were larger, more efficient, and more durable than previous Portuguese and Spanish vessels in order to facilitate the longer-distance expeditions carried out by Portuguese fleets during this time. Based on the contents of the shipwreck, including an array of luxury items and currencies, archaeologist Dieter Noli and other scholars believe the ship was on course for western India from its home port in Lisbon, Portugal around the southern tip of Africa, a common route for similar Portuguese nau during this time that carried the same cargo. These naus commonly sailed between Portugal and China, India, and Japan, often carrying valuable and exotic cargo such as gold, copper, spices, ivory, weaponry, and silks to and from these markets.

Shipwreck
It is speculated that the Bom Jesus sank when it was pulled too closely to shore in a storm off the coast of Namibia, causing the ship's hull to collide with a rock and lean over, capsizing the vessel. This hypothesis is supported by the fact that the coin chest from the captain's quarters was found at the bottom of the ocean off the coast, likely due to the chest falling out after the hull was breached by the initial collision. As the Bom Jesus moved towards shore, the superstructure and hull likely broke apart and scattered the ship and its contents along the coastline, and these were later accidentally scattered further during construction of large sand retaining walls around the site. The condition that the ship was found in suggest that the storm that caused the shipwreck was especially violent, although an absence of human remains (besides a few scattered bone fragments) in the site suggest that most of the crew on board survived the wreck or died at sea.

Initial discovery
The mining town of Oranjemund near the Atlantic coast run by NAMDEB, involving both the Namibian government and diamond mining and trading company De Beers. On April 1, 2008, Kaapanda Shadika, an employee of De Beers, discovered a collection of copper ingots and remnants of elephant ivory while excavating an inshore area licensed to the company. Upon further inspection, archaeologist Dieter Noli, a contractor of the De Beers company, concluded that the shipwreck was of ancient origin and enlisted the help of maritime archaeologist Bruno Werz of the South African Institute of Maritime Archaeology (SAIMA).

Initial conditions of the Bom Jesus
Upon its initial discovery, the remains of the ship were scattered in three large sections running along the coast. According to archaeologist Francisco Alves, the contents of the shipwreck were all covered in a moist, one meter-thick layer of "orange-layered concretion" built up from chemical, biological, and sedimentary processes in the coastal soil, helping to preserve much of the hull and wooden structure of the ship in the seawater-rich ground. A majority of the cargo was initially found scattered loosely between the three large digging sites, including copper ingots, ivory, nautical tools, and cannons that were easily dug out of the sand. The remainder of the cargo discovered, such as iron ingots, weaponry, and fragments of the wooden hull, were found encased in lime and hard-packed sandy concretions. While these conditions helped to preserve and protect the contents of the ship, this concretion made their identification and recovery especially difficult for archaeologists on-site.

Excavation efforts
About a month after initial archaeological digging and surveying began, Bloomberg announced the discovery of the shipwreck on the internet, bringing international attention to the site and its significance, specifically the discovery of a rare Portuguese cruzado coin by on-site archaeologist Paulo Monterio. This international publicity put pressure on the Namibian government to seek out external sources of archaeological and scientific assistance given the urgency of the site's integrity, a result of the large sand retaining walls around the shipwreck that protected the site from ocean water, which were at risk of being eroded due to seasonal weather and damaging the ship's hull. As a result, a meeting was held between the Namibian government and other organizations interested in involvement with the excavation of the site, including delegates Filipe Castro and Donny Hamilton of the anthropology department of Texas A&M University, and representatives of the Portuguese and Spanish government who agreed to terms with the Namibian government to find out the true origin of the Bom Jesus, which at this time was unknown. After brief deliberation, an Oranjemund Statement was drafted, stating that the Namibian government would allow representatives of the Texas A&M archaeology department and the Portuguese government to collaborate in the excavation of the ship, while the Namibian government would subsidize the reconstruction of the surrounding retaining walls.

Catalog of cargo
Among the over 40 tons of cargo retrieved from the excavation site, thousands of different artifacts were recovered and cataloged, including cannons, firearms, swords, lead, tin, textiles, and astronomical devices. However, the most bountiful discoveries of the shipwreck were the collection of 1,845 copper ingots weighing approximately 16-17 tons, over 2,000 gold and silver coins from multiple contemporary maritime powers, and 105 different elephant tusks weighing close to 2 tons. The discovery was unusual in that all of the ship's contents were able to be recovered and cataloged without interference from scavengers due to the highly secure nature of De Beers mining operations in the area.

Copper ingots
A majority of the copper ingots found in the shipwreck have a hemispherical shape and are relatively standardized in both weight and size, leading archaeologists on the site to conclude that these copper ingots originated mostly from the same location and smelting processes. Because these copper ingots were so well preserved, as a result of their protection from ocean water by the hull of the ship, archaeologists on-site were able to study an unusual trident-shaped mark on the aged metal. These stamped trademarks on the copper ingots were found to belong to Anton Fugger of the Fugger family, tracing their origins to the Fugger Trading Company of Augsburg, Germany, one of Renaissance Europe's wealthiest companies in the world at the time. Historical documentation surrounding the Fugger Trading Company during this time indicate that Lisbon and other major Portuguese centers of trade were heavily involved in commerce with the Fugger family, explaining the discovery of such a large load of these copper ingots on board. Historical accounts of this period, as well as geochemical analyses of the copper onboard, indicate that these copper ingots were produced by the Fugger-Thurzo company in the Slovak Ore Mountains of Slovakia.

Elephant ivory
Because of how well the shipwreck and its contents were preserved, archaeologists and geneticists on-site were able to successfully sequence DNA from 71 percent of the 105 different elephant tusks on board using mitochondrial and nuclear DNA analysis. Using isotope analysis, as well as studying the relative sizes and densities of the tusks, archaeologists concluded that these ivory samples likely originated from West African forests and savanna elephants, corroborating with the locations of Portuguese Ivory trading posts in Africa during this time. These genetic results also indicate that the ivory aboard the Bom Jesus originated from around 17 different "herds" of elephants in this region. As Portugal rose to prominence as a world trading power during this time, they would follow suit of other European powers and pay for Asian commodities with African ivory. The establishment of a Portuguese fort at the mouth of the Dahomey Gap in Benin in 1482 suggest that ivory hunted in this region was sent to the islands of Cape Verde and São Tomé to be processed before being shipped to Lisbon, where it would embark on its journey to Asian markets.

Coinage
Of the collection of 2,159 coins recovered from the Bom Jesus, a majority were Spanish Excellentes, although Portuguese, Venetian, French, and Moorish coinage was recovered as well. The presence of such a great amount of Spanish coinage onboard initially led archaeologists to believe the ship was of Spanish origin, but this hypothesis was quickly abandoned after further inspection by Portuguese archaeology crews. The inscriptions and designs on the Portuguese coinage, portraying the emblem of John II of Portugal, helped archaeologists to date the shipwreck back to the 1530s upon its initial discovery. However, the identification of the ship is approximate, due to the Portuguese archives of maritime trade activity during this time being completely destroyed in the 1755 Lisbon earthquake.

Preservation of the Bom Jesus
Currently, work is underway to preserve and display the remains of the ship and all of its cargo in a public museum in Lisbon, Portugal. However, a lack of funding and permission from Namibian authorities has kept the ship's remains on-site in Oranjemund, storing a majority of the cargo and hull of the Bom Jesus in saltwater tanks for preservation until they can be safely transported.

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Ram Singh Netaji

 Ram Singh Netaji  (born 1956) is an Indian politician and was member of the 2nd and the Fourth Legislative Assemblies of Delhi. Currently, he is a member of the Aam Aadmi Party.

Early life and education
Ram Singh Netaji was born in Badarpur village of New Delhi. He is educated till 7th grade and is an agriculturist by profession. He is from Gurjar Community.

Political career
Ram Singh Netaji was MLA for two terms from Badarpur (Assembly constituency). During the Second Legislative Assembly of Delhi he contested as an Independent candidate whereas during the Fourth Legislative Assembly of Delhi he was member of Bahujan Samaj Party. He is currently a member of the Aam Aadmi Party. He joined Aam Aadmi Party in presence of National Convener and current Chief Minister of Delhi Arvind Kejriwal and other Senior Party Leaders Manish Sisodia and Sanjay Singh (Aam Aadmi Party) on 13 January 2020.

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List of churches in Teignbridge

The following is a list of churches in Teignbridge.

Active churches
There are churches in every civil parish. The district has an estimated 116 churches for 129,600 people, a ratio of one church to every 1,117 people.

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Talk:1901–02 FA Cup qualifying rounds

Chatham vs Chatham Amateurs
The entry for Chatham in the preliminary round links to Chatham Town F.C. via the redirect on Chatham F.C. (as it does on many other pages, FA cup or otherwise: 1900–01 FA Cup qualifying rounds, 1902–03 FA Cup qualifying rounds, etc). According to that page, at that time Chatham Town would have been known as Chatham United or briefly Chatham Amateurs for one season from 1901. The confusion lies in that there is already a Chatham Amateurs F.C. redlinked in the first qualifying round. It seems like either the Chatham Town page is wrong about the Chatham Amateurs name or one or more Chatham F.C. links are incorrectly associated with Chatham Town. QuicoGaliana (talk) 11:38, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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Annie Vivanti

Anna Emilia "Annie" Vivanti Chartres (7 April 1866 – 20 February 1942), also known as Anita Vivanti or Anita Vivanti Chartres, was a British-born Italian writer.

Life and career
The daughter of Anselmo Vivanti, an Italian exile of Jewish descent, and Anna Lindau, a German writer, she was born in London. Her mother's brothers were Paul and Rudolf Lindau. Her father, a follower of Mazzini, found political asylum in the British capital after the 1851 uprisings in Mantova. Anselmo, a major silk trader, was president of the Società Reduci dalle Patrie Battaglie and of the Italian Chamber of Commerce of New York. She grew up in Italy, England, Switzerland and the United States. In 1890, she published Lirica, a poetry collection, with a preface by Giosuè Carducci. The following year, she published a novel Marion artista di caffè concerto. In 1892, she married the Anglo-Irish journalist and lawyer John Smith Chartres. For the next 18 years, she lived in England and the US, and wrote only in English. Her most famous work of this period is The Devourers, published in 1910, which was inspired by her daughter, Vivien Chartres, a violin prodigy. She rewrote the book in Italian as I divoratori in 1911.

Like her husband, who was a member of Sinn Féin, Vivanti supported Irish independence, writing articles for a number of different newspapers and journals, and assisting the Irish delegation in Versailles in 1919. She also defended the Italian cause in English newspapers during World War I. Following the war, she supported Mussolini and contributed to Italian nationalist newspapers such as Il Popolo d'Italia and L'Idea Nazionale.

In 1941, living in Italy, she was placed under house arrest because of her connections to England; for a time, her books were banned in Italy because of her Jewish parentage. Some sources claim her daughter Vivien committed suicide in London later that same year, although it appears Vivien was killed during an air raid in London in 1941. Shortly before her own death in Turin the following year, Annie Vivanti Chartres converted to Roman Catholicism.

Poetic
The encounter between cultures, languages, different nationalities and religions constitutes the exceptional nature of Annie Vivanti's life and literature experience, unique in the Italian context. Born and raised in direct contact with the English, Italian, German and American, Annie assimilated and merged those different cultural and spiritual components, filtering them through the lens of an all-Latin sentimentality but also of a purely Anglo-Saxon pragmatism which in her are exalted and summarized.

Her husband John Chartres, businessman and journalist, but also sinnfeiner activist for Irish independence, added a component of political passion in Annie's life - who had already received the imprint of her father's example - which led her, in the years of maturity, to take an active part in Irish and Italian political events, in an irredentist way, against the status quo imposed by the great nations, mainly by England.

Great traveler, fully inserted in the contexts in which she lived, ordering her own reality, Annie Vivanti always had a contradictory sentiment towards England - the country where she was born and of which she always remained a citizen - she felt congenial to American life and mentality, but he chose Italy as his homeland. However, any attribution of a national nature is reductive due to its stateless and multifaceted temperament: Annie Vivanti in Italy, Annie Vivanti Chartres in Europe, Anita Vivanti Chartres - or just Anita Chartres - in the United States, the different images she offered of herself to her many audiences fully symbolize her volage volage, which is embodied in the only space-time dimension that is congenial to it, the "here and now", a continuous present without roots, without projections or perspectives, a perpetual and airy movement that gives his work a sense of freshness and spontaneous immediacy, allowing her to offer the reader a series of thrilling and emotionally engaging impressions that find the happiest results in short stories and stories. Annie Vivanti does not belong to a single literary genre nor does she approach a specific cultural movement, given also its internationality and disorderly formation.

English

 * The Devourers, novel (1910)
 * Circe, novel (1912)
 * Marie Tarnowska, novel (1915)

Italian

 * L'Invasore, play (1916)
 * Vae victis!, novel (1917)
 * Le bocche inutili, play (1918)
 * Zingaresca, short stories (1918)
 * Naja tripudians (1920)
 * Fosca, sorella di Messalina (1922)

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Talk:Inverness TMD

Question
I believe that Inverness TMD used to be the Lochgorm Works of the Highland Railway. Can anyone confirm this? Biscuittin (talk) 23:36, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sevenpeas (talk • contribs) 19:42, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

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Τίρυνς

Proper noun

 * 1) Tiryns; Tiryntha, Argolis, Greece

Usage notes

 * is one of very few names of native Ancient Greek origin that contains the ΝΣ digraph. Furthermore, the nominative case has a long acute-accented penultimate vowel and an apparently short final vowel (ΤῙΡῨΝΣ). However, as this situation can normally only yield a circumflex accent in Classical Attic, the fact that an acute accent remains shows that the final vowel is scanned as long. ΝΣ and ΝΖ are not normally viable in Classical Attic and are normally respelt in inflection as just Σ or Ζ while compensatorily lengthening preceding Ᾰ Ε Ῐ Ο Ῠ to Ᾱ ΕΙ Ῑ ΟΥ Ῡ. Therefore, evidence and established grammar suggest that although Classical Attic retained the spelling as Τίρυνς instead of respelling it Τίρῡς, the standard Classical Attic pronunciation of Τίρυνς was to treat it as Τίρῡς.

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Daybreak (1954 film)

Daybreak (Morgengrauen) is a 1954 West German drama film directed by Viktor Tourjansky and starring Hans Stüwe, Elisabeth Müller and Alexander Kerst. Filming took place at the Bavaria Studios. It was also shot on location in Munich and Hamburg. The film's sets were designed by the art director Arne Flekstad.

Synopsis
After eight years as a prisoner of war of the Soviets, a German pilot returns home and becomes involved in the scheme to revive German civil aviation with Lufthansa. His new life is threatened, however, when he is put on trial for the execution of a captured British RAF pilot during the war.

Cast

 * Hans Stüwe as Oberst Gaffron
 * Elisabeth Müller as Inge Jensen
 * Alexander Kerst as Jochen Freyberg
 * Josef Sieber as Wilheilm Schramm
 * Carsta Löck as Amalie Schramm
 * Oliver Grimm as Pucky Schramm
 * Walter Holten as Von Wakenitz
 * Edward P. Merlotte as Colonel Thompson
 * Renate Mannhardt as Anita Kyffland
 * Gert Fröbe in a bit part
 * Paula Braend
 * Viktor Afritsch
 * Malte Jaeger
 * Kurt Großkurth
 * Wolfried Lier
 * Rudolf Reiff
 * John Van Dreelen

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User:Gale steelman/Books/Gale's Buddhist Refresher

Gale's Buddhist Refresher

 * An Overview of Buddhism
 * Buddhism

 * Buddhist History
 * Gautama Buddha
 * Theravada
 * Mahayana
 * Vajrayana

 * The Various Schools and Their Tenents
 * Schools of Buddhism

 * Hinayana/Theravada Schools
 * Mahayana Schools
 * Madhyamaka
 * Yogacara

 * Vajrayana Schools
 * Nyingma
 * Sakya
 * Kagyu
 * Gelug
 * Jonang

 * Buddhist Texts
 * Buddhist texts

 * Glossary of Buddhist Philosophical Concepts
 * Glossary of Buddhism
 * Abhibhavayatana
 * Adhimoksha
 * Adhyavasaya
 * Adi (metaphysical plane)
 * Advesha
 * Ahimsa
 * Āhrīkya
 * Aikyam
 * Aimless wandering
 * Akrodha
 * Alambana
 * Alobha
 * Amoha
 * Anāgāmi
 * Anantarika-karma
 * Anapatrapya
 * Anatta
 * Anava
 * Apatrapya
 * Apramada
 * Arhat
 * Arya (Buddhism)
 * Asaṃprajanya
 * Asatkalpa
 * Asava
 * Ashtamangala
 * Āśraddhya
 * Ataptatanu
 * Ātman (Buddhism)
 * Auddhatya
 * Avidyā (Buddhism)
 * Ayatana
 * Bardo
 * Basic points unifying Theravāda and Mahāyāna
 * Bhava
 * Bhavacakra
 * Bhūmi (Buddhism)
 * Bodhi
 * Bodhimaṇḍa
 * Bodhisattva
 * Bodhisattva Precepts
 * Brahmacharya
 * Brahmajala Sutra (Mahayana)
 * Brahmavihara
 * Buddha-nature
 * Buddhahood
 * Buddhist cosmology
 * Buddhist cosmology of the Theravada school
 * Chakravartin
 * Charnel ground
 * Chöd
 * Classification of Buddha's teaching
 * Cosmic bliss
 * Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism
 * Desire realm
 * Dhāraṇī
 * Dharma
 * Dharma (Buddhism)
 * Dharma transmission
 * Dharmadhatu
 * Dharmakāya
 * Diamond Realm
 * Dream yoga
 * Dukkha
 * Dvesha (Buddhism)
 * Eight Consciousnesses
 * Ekaggata
 * Essence-Function
 * Eternal Buddha
 * Fetter (Buddhism)
 * Five hindrances
 * Five wisdoms
 * Four Dharmadhātu
 * Four Noble Truths
 * Four stages of enlightenment
 * God in Buddhism
 * Ground (Dzogchen)
 * Hinayana
 * Hotoke
 * Hri (Buddhism)
 * Huayan school
 * Human beings in Buddhism
 * Idappaccayatā
 * Impermanence
 * Incarnation
 * Indriya
 * Irshya
 * Jambhala
 * Jīvitindriya
 * Kalpa (aeon)
 * Kammaññatā
 * Kammapatha
 * Kammaṭṭhāna
 * Maha Kapphina
 * Karma
 * Karma in Buddhism
 * Karuṇā
 * Kaukritya
 * Kausidya
 * Kenshō
 * Kleshas (Buddhism)
 * Māna
 * Krodha (Mental factor)
 * Lahutā
 * Lineage (Buddhism)
 * Luminous mind
 * Mada (Buddhism)
 * Dzogchen
 * Mahābhūta
 * Mahamudra
 * Manas-vijnana
 * Manasikara
 * Mandala
 * Matsarya
 * Maya (Buddhist mental factor)
 * Maya (illusion)
 * Mental factors (Buddhism)
 * Merit (Buddhism)
 * Middha
 * Middle Way
 * Mind monkey
 * Mindstream
 * Mithyatva
 * Moha (Buddhism)
 * Mrakśa
 * Mudutā
 * Muṣitasmṛtitā
 * Namarupa
 * Nidana
 * Nirodha sacca
 * Nirvana
 * Nirvana (Buddhism)
 * Noble Eightfold Path
 * Non-abidance
 * Noninterference (Buddhism)
 * Pāguññatā
 * Parable of the Poisoned Arrow
 * Pāramitā
 * Parinirvana
 * Phala
 * Five Strengths
 * Pradāśa
 * Pramāda
 * Prasrabhi
 * Pratigha
 * Pratītyasamutpāda
 * Pratyaksha
 * Pratyekabuddha
 * Punya (Hinduism)
 * Raga (Buddhism)
 * Rangtong
 * Rebirth (Buddhism)
 * Refuge (Buddhism)
 * Reincarnation
 * Rigpa
 * Sakadagami
 * Sambhogakāya
 * Saṃsāra (Buddhism)
 * Samudaya sacca
 * Saṃvega
 * Samvriti
 * Saṃsāra
 * Śāṭhya
 * Satkaryavada
 * Satori
 * Satya
 * Sāvakabuddha
 * Sentient beings (Buddhism)
 * Seven Factors of Enlightenment
 * Shambhala: The Sacred Path of the Warrior
 * Shentong
 * Shoshin
 * Skandha
 * Sotāpanna
 * Sparśa
 * Spiritual materialism
 * Styāna
 * Śūnyatā
 * Svabhava
 * Svasaṃvedana
 * Tathāgata
 * Tathatā
 * Tatramajjhattatā
 * Ten spiritual realms
 * Ten suchnesses
 * Thina
 * Three Ages of Buddhism
 * Three marks of existence
 * Three poisons (Buddhism)
 * Threefold Training
 * Tirthika
 * Trailokya
 * Trikaya
 * Tulpa
 * Twelve Nidānas
 * Two truths doctrine
 * Ujukatā
 * The unanswered questions
 * Upanāha
 * Upaya
 * Vibhu
 * Vicara
 * Vicikitsa
 * Vidya (Knowledge)
 * Vihiṃsā
 * Vikṣepa
 * Vipāka
 * Vipassanā
 * Vipassanā-ñāṇa
 * Vitarka
 * Vivartavada
 * Vyuha
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Buctouche River

The Buctouche River (colloquially spelt Bouctouche) is a river in eastern New Brunswick, Canada which empties into the Buctouche Bay in the Northumberland Strait in the town of Bouctouche.

The river's name means "Big Little Harbour" in the Mi'kmaq.

River communities

 * Saint-Joseph-de-Kent
 * Maria-de-Kent
 * Roy
 * Sainte-Marie-de-Kent
 * Upper Buctouche
 * Coates Mills
 * McLean Settlement
 * Hebert

River crossings

 * Route 126
 * Route 515
 * Route 490
 * Route 525
 * Route 11
 * Route 134

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Talk:Des Hanafin

Ambiguity
"Des Hanafin was born in Thurles, County Tipperary in 1930. Born into a political family, Hanafin's father was a Fianna Fáil councillor for North Tipperary County Council and prior to that had been a member of the Irish Republican Brotherhood and an elected Sinn Féin councillor before independence."

As it stands, that says that DH's father was born into a political family. But surely the phrase is meant to describe DH himself? If so "born into a political family" ought to be incorporated into the previous sentence. Harfarhs (talk) 23:12, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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Plantlore

Lore is defined as the knowledge gained through tradition or anecdote. The lore of plants has long been an integral part of our lives. It has influenced our cuisine, medicine, and religion.

Processing of raw plant materials into a myriad of forms has become the norm, a practice which has become so extensive, a cultural amnesia about the plant-based origin of many products has developed. For instance, how readily can you connect a pill to a plant? Frequently, pharmaceuticals derive one or more active ingredients from plant sources. For example, the advent of aspirin was inspired, in part, by the salicin present in willow bark.

Plantlore vs. ethnobotany
As a rule, if your resource is about the topic of general plantlore or folk remedies and not a specific, indigenous culture, it belongs in the plantlore department. If, however, your resource is about how a specific native culture uses a particular plant or their attitude toward plants in general, that resource belongs in ethnobotany. Also, there's no harm in linking your resource to both categories, as this increases the odds that it will be useful to our users!

Learning projects

 * Edible plant identification

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Literary composition

Writing Center

Introduction
Although quite dated, this essay from Alfred M. Hitchcock's 1923 book, High School English Book provides a purposeful, real-world definition of composition:

What does the word composition mean to you? What does it immediately suggest? No doubt it is a word closely associated in your mind with algebra, history, report card, graduation, and other schoolroom terms. It suggests at once a task set by a teacher, usually a written exercise to be done more promptly than is convenient and “handed in” for critical inspection. But the word has a much wider range of meaning than that. The sentence “I think so” is a composition. All the thousands of sentences which live but for an instant on the lips in daily conversation are compositions. A school corridor at recess time hums with them. Songs are compositions, and sermons, lectures, the pleas of lawyers, the weighty speeches of senators. Letters are compositions. What a grist of them goes into the mailpouches daily! All circulars, pamphlets, newspapers, magazines, all books, lie within the field bounded by the word composition. Because it embraces so much, it is one of the most important words in the English language.

Dismiss at once, therefore, the narrow, school exercise idea and try to realize that the subject you are to study includes the entire business of conveying thought from mind to mind through the aid of language. It is a vast business, old as human life, wide as the world itself, a necessary ally to every possible line of human endeavor. We all share in it.

In every business there are failures, partial or complete. Failures occur in the business of thought transference. Back of every composition lies a desire to accomplish something. Sentences which fall carelessly from the lips, no less than the sharp commands of officers leading their men against the enemy’s guns, are uttered purposefully; and this is true of all words spoken or penned or typed or printed. But the purpose is not always realized. Could we follow the compositions sent forth the world over in a single day and measure what they actually accomplish in the light of what they were intended to accomplish, we should find a pathetic proportion of partial or complete failures, not a few of them unsuspected by those who sent the compositions forth. Brilliant successes we should find too; for what wonderful results are sometimes attained. An entire nation may be swayed by a single brief composition – plunged into war, for example, or adroitly turned to thoughts of peace.

Why are so many compositions weak, ineffectual things? Why are we deeply moved by one speaker and bored by another? Why do we read some letters, some magazine articles, some books, eagerly, and others with little interest? Why do we ourselves so often fail to accomplish fully our purpose when we talk or write, while others succeed admirably and without apparent effort? Why are we so often outdistanced in competition where words play an important part? Such questions rise in the mind of every young person to whom there has come even a faint vision of all that the word composition embraces and the power granted to those who are composition masters. The purpose of this textbook is to help all who are earnestly trying to find true answers.

What is writing?
Take a few minutes to think about what writing means to you. If you close your eyes, lean back, and think about writing, what comes to your mind? Do you imagine a journalist sitting behind a cluttered oak desk pounding away on an old Underwood typewriter? Do you imagine a young woman curled up in the corner of a trendy coffeeshop scribbling angrily in a tattered journal? Do you imagine a middle-aged man jotting a grocery list on a small, flip-top notepad? Do you imagine a small child scrawling page after page of jagged, swirling crayon monsters? Or a teenager flipping madly through an encyclopedia the night before a paper is due, desperate to come up with a decent 3 to 5 page paper?

In truth, writing is all of these things, but it is also much more. Writing is more than just a part of school that you dread. It's more than 5 page essays or 1 page reading responses or even 400 page bestselling novels. One thing to keep in mind is this: writing is NOT a product. Some traditional models for teaching writing have treated writing as a product that is created. An end to a means.

We, here at the Writing Center, take the alternate, more progressive view. The view that writing is a means to an end. Writing is a process, a method, a means of discovery that leads the writer to new ideas and new discoveries. Writing is thinking. Through writing you make connections between previous experiences and ideas and new areas of thought that you are experiencing. Writing should be, and can be, a transcendent experience, in which the writer leaves his/her normal mode of thinking and transcends to a new mode of thinking. It is through writing that we can achieve not only new ideas, but new ways to develop new ideas.

That's not to say that all writing is transcendental. Some writing is just writing. At its most basic, writing is communicating.

How about this. You write your composition so well that you don't need any editing!

The Writing Process
The writing process is just that: the process one goes through while writing. There are variations on the details of the cycle, but the core components never change: Prewriting, drafting, editing, proofreading, and publishing.

 * Prewriting - Prewriting is exactly what the word indicates: what you do before you write.  Gathering your ideas together, organizing them into coherent notes, and figuring out what you need to know.  You need to know your purpose in writing as well as your audience.  Knowing all of this ahead of time makes writing your first draft much easier.

 * Drafting - This is the process of getting all those ideas in your head down on paper. It is not important that the spelling, mechanics, or grammar make sense.  It is more than likely that many of your ideas will be incomplete, and will need severe reworking.  No writer ever considered the first version of anything to be finished.  However, no writer ever finished anything without a rough draft!

 * Editing - Now that the ideas are all on paper, you have to see if those thoughts are anything like what you really wanted to say. A suggestion is to put your writing away for awhile and return to it with fresh eyes.  This way, you will not be tempted to change things on the spur of the moment.  As you edit, make whatever corrections you feel are necessary.  At first, the corrections will probably be global revisions where you will move, remove, or rewrite entire sections of your draft.  After corrections are made, make another draft.  All good writers repeat the drafting ->editing cycle more than once.  What may seem like a good idea at the time may seem completely unnecessary a few days later.  Eventually, however, this repetition will result in something that you would like to consider a final draft.

 * Proofreading - Now that you have your final draft, it's time to proofread. This is where you make sure that all the i's are dotted, and the t's are crossed.  Each sentence must have its subject and predicate, paragraphs indented, and spelling corrections made.  Any changes that must be made are made, and the piece is finally ready for the final step in the writing process.

 * Publishing - The end result of your labors, publishing is the goal that you have been pushing for. Publishing does not necessarily mean "printed in a magazine."  In order for a work to be published, it must simply be considered complete by the author and read by others.  Handing an essay in for a grade is publishing, as is submitting a novel to your editor.

This process naturally exists for all serious writers, however, many aspiring writers may want to skip the editing and proofreading stages. This is a major mistake! While you can pay people to revise and proofread for you, there is no guarantee that these mercenaries will accurately reflect your thoughts, feelings, and ideas. Every responsible writer follows these steps, and even after publication will revisit their works again and again.

Modes of Writing
Following the traditional schools of thought, there are different types of writing called modes. Each mode of writing has an individual purpose and there are several conventions for each mode.

* Exposition - Expository writing is used to explain an idea or position. Exposition usually involves a well-thought out thesis statement. Examples include literature analysis, definition of terms, or explanation of a new theory.

* Persuasion - Persuasive writing is where a writer attempts to convince the reader to take their view about a particular subject or concept. Examples include political speeches or advertising.

* Narration - Narrative writing tells a story. It uses a sequence of events with a common theme to convey or evoke emotions in the reader. Examples include autobiographies, anecdotes, or travel journals.

* Description - Descriptive writing is used primarily to recreate a particular time, place, or event for the reader. Often, descriptive writing will appeal to all five senses: sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch. Examples include travel literature, food reviews, or sales brochures.

* Creative Expression - Creative expression can use all of the other four modes of writing. However, instead of using the modes for the benefit of the reader, creative expression uses them to show the feelings and emotions of the author. Examples include poetry, short stories, or plays.

Modes of writing are not mutually exclusive. Each can be combined with any of the other modes, depending on the purpose of the work desired by the author. For instance, Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, while primarily a method of creative expression uses narration and detailed description to frame the problems with the meat industry over the course of the novel. Travel companies frequently will use a particularly adept description of a beautiful location in an attempt to persuade you to pay them money to visit that particular spot. Many a college student use a combination of exposition and persuasion for their professors while trying to get a good grade.

The particular combination of writing modes will change based upon your writing needs. However, if you are having trouble writing, a good starting point would be to ask yourself ''What is my purpose in writing? Which writing mode does my purpose seem to be for?'' Using this as a basis for beginning, you can incorporate the different modes as circumstances require.

Real World Writing vs. Classroom Writing
There is a gigantic difference between the writing that is done in the real world and the formal writing required for the classroom. The difference lies in the purpose of your writing. Often times, real world writing is informal. We want to write a letter to a friend, keep some thoughts in a journal, or write a memo to your boss. Each of these has a purpose that will change with the situation. The letter is an informal communication. Your journal is personal. The memo to your boss is informational. However, the formality of classroom writing has only one purpose: to communicate your thought processes to the instructor. As a result of this change in purpose, there are several norms that must be adhered to.

First, your professor is looking for something specific. Whether it is an understanding of a particular theme in a novel, the philosophical treatises of John Locke, or the results of your chemistry experiment gone wrong, there is certain information that the instructor of a class wants. This information drives all classroom writing. You, as the writer, tailor your writing to the needs of the audience. Since you want to appear to be an educated person who has navigated the ways of the educational community, your writing must have spotless grammar and mechanics, as well as a dutifully constructed thesis with the appropriate support. At the end of this process, often times you have produced a work that is satisfactory for your professor and other academics, but often mundane and boring for anyone not interested in the fundamental philosophical concepts that link the theories of Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates. Enter the real world.

Real world writing must engage the reader at its most basic level. If, at any point the author loses the interest of the reader, then the point of the work is lost. Should that memo to your boss digress toward the theme of how you digested your lunch, he will probably just throw it away and completely disregard the fact that your mistake cost the business $500,000. Oops. When he ends up reading the financial reports at the end of the quarter, your job is going to be a lot harder to justify than why you mentioned that sandwich two months ago. The letter to a friend is to tell about the misery that you are experiencing since you lost your job. She's probably not interested in the details of the meeting with your boss, but wants to see how you are feeling now that you are unemployed.

Purpose dictates everything in the world of writing. It is important to consider not only your audience, but why you are writing in the first place. In the classroom, your purpose is clear, while in the real world, it can be a little tricky to keep your audience under your thumb.

The Pen is Mightier Than the Keyboard: What Works Best for You?
As technology has changed over the years, so have writing methods. Centuries ago, clay tablets with scribes gave way to quill and inkwell, which in turn matured into the ballpoint pen. In the 20th century alone, pen gave way to the typewriter, which shifted to the word processor and the computer. Even though the nature of writing itself has not changed, the process of that writing has. What has technology brought writers in the 21st century that they did not have in the 1st?

Go Speed, Go!
The trouble with writing has always been getting the ideas from the brain to the paper. In ancient times, one sentence might take quite some time to write down (due to the physics of clay and stone). As a result, people thought about what they wanted to say more, then wrote it down. Today, many people can type close to (and faster than) 150 words per minute. That's a lot of writing to be pushing through into the world. However, does that necessarily make it better writing? No.

Just because we can write faster, does not mean that we write better. However, now it's easier to see what you're writing before you publish it. Drafts can be written and rewritten much faster than before. Many writers find it easier to punch out a quick draft now, then put it away and polish it later. The time saved by using a word processor in drafting alone makes it a much more productive tool than was ever in use before. However, many people still use the time-tested pen and paper for their drafting. What gives? Isn't it time they moved into the technological age and gave up such archaic methods?

Slow Down, Pardner!
While writing faster may be useful for some people, the blank screen can be just as intimidating as the blank piece of paper. In order to overcome this writer's block, many writers feel comfortable with their pen in hand, and pad on the table. The feeling of writing becomes solid to them, as if they are sculpting words instead of just pushing them out of their heads. The time it takes for them to write becomes a comfortable pause as they take time to massage each word with the gentle push of their fingertips instead of the harsh push of a button on a keyboard.

In addition to the comfort factor, there are many times where writing with laptops, Palm Pilots, or other technological gadgets is simply too cumbersome. Having to type with thumbs on a crowded train may not be as easy as scribbling down a few lines of prose on the back of a newspaper or coffee napkin. Sometimes the need to write strikes when the only thing handy is a chewed down pencil and the envelope from last month's rent receipt. When writers want to write, they must write!

You Have Chosen Wisely
Whatever method you choose for writing, it must be comfortable for you and your writing style. If you are the type that thinks fast and types faster, then a laptop might be the perfect writing tool for you. If you like to ponder your words before writing, then give pen and paper a try. More likely than not, you'll use a combination of the two. You'll type when you like it, and you'll write when you want to. Even though it seems like an extra step, transferring handwritten lines to a computer may be that drafting step that moves your rough stony work along the path towards that literary diamond that you've been polishing in your head for ages.

Don't be afraid to try your hand at any method that comes your way. One day, something will come along to replace the word processor, and writers will yet again have to adjust to another method of writing. However, until that day comes, many of us feel comfortable with pen in hand and paper on the table, waiting for inspiration to strike. At least we won't have to go back to those absurdly tedious stone tablets.

title: Literary composition


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Template talk:Talk archive/Archive 1

(Untitled)
This is a sister template to Template:Archive. This specific template is designed for use on talk page archives, the major difference between this and the main archive tag is that this does not have a talk page link and it is phrased slightly differently. Jtkiefer T  - 04:55, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Discussion on talk link bug
Copied from user talk pages:

(rv. Link created by last edit is broken under some circumstances (e.g. on user talk archives made using article history rather than subpages.))--Srleffler

 * Can you provide me with some specific instances where my modifications to Template:Talkarchive broke the talk page link? I'm not sure what you mean by "user talk archives made using article history rather than subpages." The proper way to archive discussions is to copy the text to a subpage. ~MDD4696 23:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I've reverted to my version for now -- I'd like to do some testing to see if I can make it work for your archive. I'll undo my changes if I can't get it to. ~MDD4696 23:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Regarding your comment that "the proper way to archive discussions is to copy the text to a subpage": you are mistaken. See How to archive a talk page. Note that this Wikipedia guideline is linked to from the template you were editing. The subpage and permalink techniques are both accepted, and Talkarchive needs to work for both (especially since it links to a description of both.)--Srleffler 00:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

 * OK, I've found the issue and filed a bug on Mediazilla. I'm going to try and write a patch, so hopefully it will get fixed quickly. doesn't work when viewing old versions of a page, but once it does the link will automatically work in your archive. Would you mind leaving the template the way it is for now? I think you have a very unique archival technique, and I want people who accidentally subst the template to be using the new one. ~MDD4696 00:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Ah, well, unique in that it is not widely used. (I've never seen it before, but I think it's a cool idea). ~MDD4696 00:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but this template must not be left "broken" in the interim. If you can't find a way to make it work until the bugfix is implemented, revert to a working version until the bug is fixed.--Srleffler 00:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Alternatives to
You may want to consider the following alternatives to

 * 1)  - Somewhat different wording, could be merged into
 * 2)  - requires an argument indicating the period of the talk archive
 * 3)  - requires an argument indicating the topic covered in the archive

--Richardshusr 20:30, 14 June 2006

NOEDITSECTION
Is it really necessary to have included? It's a real pain to have to search through a long archive page looking for the section you're trying to correct; for example, the Mediation Committee chairman trying to clear up old uses of RFMF who has to search by hand through 150KB of text because the page has this archive tag on it and it's disabled section editing. It'd be really helpful to, you know, be able to use the section editing feature, since that's kinda what it was created for. Essjay  ( Talk )  01:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The idea is to discourage any editing. Is this to remove it from the mediation cases Category? I think a better solution might be to always have the mediation template be at the head of any Talk page, so that it won't get put in the archive. The mediation is for the article and not necessarily attached to any particular section header. Do you think it would be effective to change the RFM instructions to read "add the text...to the top of the talk page of all involved articles."? —Centrx→talk • 05:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I can't get people to read the instructions now, much less if I add anything. I'd rather just kill the category outright and let the tags stay on the pages until someone notices and removes it. My main concern was that disabiling section editing doesn't just prevent any mistaken edits, it also makes necessary edits incredibly difficult. Essjay  ( Talk )  05:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't even disable section editing really, so it is rather pointless. If you double click on the section header (and you have one of the javascript options in preferences on) it still works, and you can just do &section=15 or whatever. If all of that is too much of a bother, just edit the page and remove this template, but all of this is still rather annoying for a pointless hurdle when you need to edit archives or if you just want to copy the text of a section of a talk archive for further discussion. Kotepho 17:23, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The users who are more likely to accidentally or unknowingly edit a section are not the users who are going to know these fancy features. It is not to prevent someone who is going so far as to remove the template, part of the idea is so they actually have to scroll up to see the template. Mostly, no one should be editing the archives. The RFM case mentioned above is where a template is putin the wrong place, in the midst of a discussion rather than at the top of the page. What reason are you thinking of to edit the archives? The being able to copy reason is a good one, and might be reason enough in itself. —Centrx→talk • 19:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Currently, going around linking fair use images from talk pages and page drafts. Kotepho 19:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

NOEDITSECTION again
Could an admin please add the magic word to the template? There's already a __NONEWSECTIONLINK__ magic word, but there's no reasons sections should be edited in archive anyway. — James (Talk • Contribs) • 5:40pm • 07:40, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The  magic word was . I've seen a user follow a section link to an archive and accidentally respond there using the editsection link. Flatscan (talk) 05:03, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As this change was undiscussed, I have reverted it as requested. But I would like to speak up in defence of that edit. When you are trying to retrieve stuff from an archive, which is quite often necessary in my experience, it makes it much harder to do so without the link to the section. I don't know how much of a problem it is with people editing archives, but you cannot stop them using the edit button at the top of the page anyway! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I've seen it only once or twice. Removing the links doesn't prevent intentional refactoring, but an editor at the top of the page is less likely to miss "Archive" in the page name. I would prefer hiding implemented with CSS that allows display override with user CSS or JavaScript. Flatscan (talk) 04:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Template Link broken
The link which is supposed to take you back to the parent talkpage, doesnt work. The rest of it does though, so otherwise, good temp, so I'll just subst it until the bug is fixed.--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 06:34, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It works for me. One case where it doesn't work is if there are sub-subpages (e.g. Talk:Anarchy/Archive/1), but those are uncommon and should probably be moved to the standard location anyway. —Centrx→talk • 17:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I have a similar problem. I (perhaps stupidly) created an archive subpage with a forward slash (/) in the title. Now the link to the talkpage doesn't work properly. Is there a fix or should I just rename the subpage? Thanks. —anskas 12:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha! look what I've done! —anskas 12:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Revert
I reverted today's change to the template's link back to the current talk page, because it breaks the template for permalink archives. (Note that this Wikipedia guideline is linked to from the template itself, so the template must work for this style of archiving.)--Srleffler 06:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What??? this template can't be used for such type of archives, so I don't see the point of your revert. → Aza Toth 14:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It works just fine for permalink archives.--Srleffler 15:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Colour
For what it's worth, I like the lighter colour better. Having all talk page templates the same colour is a good idea because it gives a uniform appearence to talk pages, but this is not a talk page template in the normal sense. None of the other talk page templates should ever appear on the same page as this one; this one should also be less intrusive. Plus it goes better with the rest of the interface in general.

However, I vastly prefer either colour to an edit war over the colour of a template. Apart from anything else, caching means that half of them are now one colour and half the other. – Gurch 18:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

 * It was formally decided by the community that all templates appearing on talk pages should use this color scheme. Any aesthetic advantages are secondary to the helpful identification of the proper namespace for these templates.  This is a valid concern, not a bureaucratic application of the rules purely for the sake of applying them.  —David Levy 23:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

 * This template doesn't appear on talk pages. It appears on talk archive pages. These pages are completely different; one should be edited, on shouldn't; one should have lots of orange boxes at the top, one shouldn't. Anyway, is used in other namespaces as well (User Talk for example, there are certainly no rules on template colour there) – Gurch 12:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

 * 1. Archived talk pages are still talk pages. They merely aren't active talk pages.
 * 2. As I noted, an important function of this coloring is differentiating between templates intended for use on talk pages and those intended for use in other namespaces. (This one, for example, could easily be mistaken for a project page template.)
 * 3. There's no rule against using this coloring on user talk pages. Nonetheless, I won't object if you'd like to use ParserFunctions to make it appear grey in that namespace.  I'd do this myself, but I'm not sure that you would prefer this to the current across-the-board consistency.  —David Levy 13:32, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

 * The caching will catch up eventually (assuming that the guideline-backed version remains). —David Levy 23:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

 * It did... and then you went and changed it back! – Gurch 12:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I reverted to the aforementioned guideline-backed version. —David Levy 13:32, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm still convinced the guideline doesn't apply to archive pages, which means that at the moment the only person backing this version is you. But as I said earlier, I don't want to get into an edit war about the colour of the template, so I will leave it – Gurch 14:40, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Why would the guideline not apply to archives? How does a page full of "talk" suddenly cease to be a "talk page" when it's archived?  (The template is even called "Talk archive").  How is the need to identity the correct namespace for a template negated when it's applied to an inactive page instead of an active one?  —David Levy 18:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Bolding
Bold "Do not edit the contents of this page" For example:

 * Done. —David Levy 18:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Change to
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Done — Mets501 (talk) 23:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Can we get the old image back?
Can we get the old image back? This one is too bright and flashy IMO. Who has bright blue filing cabinets? :) --ChrisRuvolo (t) 16:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. I restored it. —Centrx→talk • 03:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 05:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

template behaving incorrectly, at least in "help talk" namespace
The archives of Help talk:Contents included this template, but the "current talk page" link was just pointing to the archives themselves. You can see what it was doing when I subst'd it, before fixing. I don't know what the technical cause of the problem was. If I did, I'd add editprotected here. Any ideas? — coe l acan t a lk  — 07:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

 * You're not supposed to subst this template. Only subst templates that are meant to be preformatted messages, not templates that are used to tag/mark/categorize pages. ~MDD4696 00:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Category inclusion
This template is so widespread that the categories are enormous, and essentially useless for navigation. Removing the "includeonly" category. - jc37 08:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I reverted it, as the categories are only filled via this template. If you want to get rid of the categories, please take it up on WP:CFD first. → Aza Toth 14:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * jc37, do you have another method for categorizing these talk pages? I don't think there's any point to removing the current categorization system unless we have another one. I think the categories are still useful, even if they are large. ~MDD4696 00:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

 * How are they useful, and what are they useful for? I presume Special:Prefixindex can find any archive you're looking for. How is having these grouped together useful for "anything"? - jc37 00:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't ask me, if you think the categories are totally useless, then go ahead open a CFD. → Aza Toth 02:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, though it will be an interesting challenge to find them all, since the syntax variable causes several categories to be created : ) - jc37 12:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The categories are useful because they separate the talk page archives in alphabetical order, with letter headings, by talk page type, so it is easier to browse than Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Talkarchive or Special:Prefixindex. You can't use Special:Prefixindex if you don't know the name of the page that you are looking for. There is a category for each namespace, and I think all of them are listed in Category:Wikipedia history. These categories might be a pet peeve to you, but they aren't really hurting anything. Why single them out over other large categories? ~MDD4696 13:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * And for the record, this template is currently used on 17952 pages. ~MDD4696 13:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "big" does not necessarily equal "useful". In fact, typically the reverse is true. See also WP:CAT, and WP:CFD. - jc37 10:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree, but I made the above argument that they still have some utility despite the fact that the categories are extremely large. Since there is no proposed replacement categorization scheme, and since there is absolutely no harm being done by their existence, I don't see any reason to remove them. ~MDD4696 17:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * As I said before, if you want to get the categories removed, then take it up on WP:CSD, not here. → Aza Toth 22:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge to Archive?
The intended difference stated at the top of this talk page no longer applies. One of these can redirect to the other. –Pomte 07:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Not AFAIK. "Wikipedia: space" pages are often archived, but are not talk pages. - jc37 13:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, I came here exactly for that reason. Now I see the difference in categorization, though I can't figure out why uses fullurl: in an external link instead of an internal one. –Pomte 03:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The reason that uses fullurl: is so that the archive template will link to the proper talk page no matter which method of archiving the page is used. (See above discussion). ~MDD4696 04:26, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Vector
I changed the graphic to the SVG version. -- Avi 04:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Add "Please"
editprotected

I might sound a bit naive, but is it worth adding "Please" to the front of "Do not.."? -- Martian . knight 10:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

 * It is not a matter of whether they should edit the contents if they so please, they should not, regardless of whether they would please to do so. —Centrx→talk • 15:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree with Martian.knight - I think it would definitely be worth adding please, just to be polite! I don't think it would take away from how important the request is :) Thanks, Drum guy (talk) 17:53, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

 * No one has replied yet, so I've used - I think 'Please' should be added before 'Do not...', as in . Thanks very much, Drum guy (talk) 00:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

 * ✅ - the objection seems to come from mis-understanding the request. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Add Reference to User and Link to User Page
It would be nice to have a reference to the user who's archive it is in the text box like

...start a new discussion with user Username or revive an old one..."

The code would look like this:

"...start a new discussion with user  [ ]  or revive an old one..."

 * You can see how it would look like here User:Cumbrowski/talkarchivetest
 * The Template:Talkarchivenav should also be changed accordingly.

Don't you think that this is a good idea? --roy<sac> Talk! .oOo. 03:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I was bold and made the change to the template myself. I also added

 * to the end of the template to show the "userpage" template at the end of the user talk archive page.

 * I made both changes also to Template:Talkarchivenav --roy<sac> Talk! .oOo. 04:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Update Note:
 * User:Mets501 reverted my changes with the argument that the template is also used for none user pages. I did not know that.

That would make the addition of the "userpage" template not such a good idea, however, the reference to the basepage would still be good, we just rephrase it to make it usable for user talk archives and other talk archives as well.

For example: This is an archive of past discussions for Namespace Whatever. ...

The code:

"This is an archive of past discussions for  [ ]  . ... "

Would that work? --roy<sac> Talk! .oOo. 04:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It would, but I believe that a link to the current talk page is enough. — M ETS 501 (talk) 04:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I will create a template in my userspace then. Sorry again for the trouble, it was meant well. --roy<sac> Talk! .oOo. 05:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

To add a special message for User talk: pages and not any other pages, you can use. –Pomte 06:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Pompte, I copied the template into my user space (the template:talkarchivenav actually). I made a significant amount of changes to the template to make it easier to use and really practical for the purpose of user talk archiving. I added also a little primer to it, since I just helped a newbie without technical skills to implement it on his user talk pages. You can find the modified version here User:Cumbrowski/usertalkarchivenav --roy<sac> Talk! .oOo. 03:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Nobots?
Would it make sense to add Nobots to be transcluded with this template? So that bots wont make any silly changes to archive pages? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * impossible, as nobots is made to be interpreted verbatim, not per linkage. → Aza Toth 15:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Question
Will a talk page's history be destroyed if a Wikipedian cuts all content (except templates) to a different one? Sorry if it didn't make sense. TobytheTramEngine 20:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Answered at User talk:TobytheTramEngine. —Centrx→talk • 03:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

"Current talk page" is not a talk page
Template message says:
 * This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

However, current talk page does not link to existing talk page - at least not when for USERs --JimWae (talk) 04:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Note to all: this edit is not trivial (although it only plays a role on "deep" archives). On User talk:Example/Archives/2007 the variable  will say "User talk:Example/Archives", which is not what I would expect from a "base" page name.   will on the other hand evaluate to User talk:Example, which is what is expected from the template. Миша 13  14:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Fix alternative talk page link
Please change this:
 * [ current talk page]

to this:
 * |current talk page

To fix the piped link for specifying a different current talk page. Right now, its completely broken. Fixed code comes from working archiveAnmaFinotera (talk) 16:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm looking into this right now. This edit seems a bit confusing - it was the edit that introduced the external link syntax. --- RockMFR 16:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The edit I suggested should fix it. I think its a useful feature, particularly after page merges when the old page's talk is archived :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I think I've got this figured out. The external link was added because of bug 6062, which is now fixed. I'm going to keep the #titleparts parser function in per Misza13's comments above, but will change the link to an internal link. I will also be adding a category to catch current usages of the template that may be broken. --- RockMFR 16:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Interwiki
Please, add pt:Predefinição:Arquivo de discussão to iw.  Gerbilo :<  19:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ —Ms2ger (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Tmbox
editprotected Please replace the page with the following code:

Thanks. —Ms2ger (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Will wait a bit, in case there are any objections, but I don't see any obvious problems. Tested in preview, looks identical to me except for some very minor differences in margin width. – Luna Santin  (talk) 20:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅. – Luna Santin  (talk) 08:33, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

NOEDITSECTION suppression etc
For discussion on the "NOEDITSECTION suppression" and the other small changes I did to this template today, see Template talk:Talkarchivenav.

--David Göthberg (talk) 19:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Add toc
I just think for easy navigation of talk archives (and prob archives in general) the toc should be there, not suppressed. Simply south (talk) 20:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'd like to see TOC added as pages are difficult to use without this. -- A Certain White Cat chi? 14:45, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I looked at the code and I see no reason why the TOC should be suppressed ... can you give me an example so I can investigate further? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:38, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * TOC is not suppressed by this template, see for example Talk:Altruism/Archive 1. Whichever page you are looking at must be having its TOC suppressed by a different template or some other mechanism. Anomie⚔ 20:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Add Magic word
editprotected Shouldn't this template also have the __NONEWSECTIONLINK__ magic word?--Unionhawk Talk 17:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea. I will do it. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 23:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

add ukrainian interwiki
add ukrainian interwiki uk:Шаблон:Архів обговорення Rkononenko (talk) 09:54, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Please add this to the bottom of Template:Talkarchive/doc. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:18, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Editprotected request involving this template
This message is to inform people monitoring this talk page that there is an "editprotected" request involving this and several other templates at Template talk:! cymru.lass (hit me up)⁄(background check) 20:40, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Merging to talk archive navigation
I've updated the sandbox with code which will enable this template to be merged to talk archive navigation: the template will then be a wrapper for the other template with the additional  parameter to disable the navigation links. This works fine in my tests, so I'll sync it in a few days unless anyone objects. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 09:25, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Dom497, 20 July 2011
You might want to change the image on the template to this: File:Crystal Clear action info.png. Its very close to the current one but it is more detailed.

Dom497 (talk) 12:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

 * The image should have been a filing cabinet and the edit on the 22 June removed that. I've put it back. -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:46, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Tag for TfM
Please add:

-- Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:28, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  ✉  14:07, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Simple navigation
Can we add  and   parameters to this template to allow for simple navigation between arbitrarily named archives (numbered, by month, by year, etc.)? What I am envisioning is being able to call this in the following way:

I don't see any similar templates that currently allow for this. - dcljr (talk) 20:25, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request — 6 June 2018
Shouldn’t the text be centred like in Talk archive navigation? Inter qwark talk  contribs 14:35, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. They probably should sync, but whether they should both be centered/both left justified should probably be discussed before changes happen. Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:41, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it looks better when the text is centred. Inter qwark talk  contribs 14:44, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Good to know. If there is some more support and consensus for changing then it'll be done. Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Recent addition
User:John Cline, you recently added the footnote "Consensus exists to allow for closing a discussion (while archived) when archiving occurs before the formal close has posted." As the footnote is not anchored within the template, it appears at the bottom of talk pages, often far away from the template itself (see for instance Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women artists/Archive 1). If the footnote is to be kept, it should probably be contained within the template. However, I pose the questions to all: 1: is this footnote relevant and realistically useful or extraneous clutter? and 2: if such consensus exists, should there be link to previous discussion establishing it? --Animalparty! (talk) 21:29, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I understand, and agree. You are the second editor mentioning this to me. I will, therefor, self revert the changes and, since I've adopted the view that its usefulness does not surmount the cluttering effect of its presence, will not seek consensus for its reinstatement. Best regards.--John Cline (talk) 22:07, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅; thank you .--John Cline (talk) 22:18, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

One or negative one
Back in December 2018, Nardog made a change that added a negative (hyphen, marked here in red) to this part of the code:

saying in the edit summary, "support subpages and File namespace".

Then today, JJMC89 removed the hyphen, saying, "revert edit that broke established uses".

So, Nardog, can you please explain what issues you were trying to fix with your edit (preferably with specific examples), and confirm whether or not the current version of the template works with respect to those issues?

And JJMC89, can you also please explain what problems you were trying to fix, with examples?

It seems likely to me that both versions of the template are "breaking" certain things, some of which Nardog has seen, and others JJMC89 has seen. If so, we should figure out whether it is the template or specific calls to it that need to be fixed. - dcljr (talk) 07:38, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Dcljr, thanks for bringing this to my attention. My edit in December fixed the link when the template was used on an archive of the talk of a subpage.  returns "Talk:Foo", the very root of the page.   returns "Talk:Foo/bar", the direct parent.
 * See e.g. Help talk:IPA/Oghuz languages/Archive 1, which now links to Help talk:IPA. This is not desirable. It should link to Help talk:IPA/Oghuz languages because that's what the page is an archive of. But now I see that there are some talk archives where this is not desirable, such as Talk:Quantum teleportation/Archive/1. With my version, the link will point to Talk:Quantum teleportation/Archive because all numbered archives for this talk are given an extra layer.
 * I don't know what the solution should be, but we should probably: disallow structures like "/Archive/#" and move existing ones to "/Archive #"; or make the template figure out where to link, using something like #ifexist.
 * (On a side note, Talk archive navigation and Automatic archive navigator, which uses Module:AutomaticArchiveNavigator, also behave like my version, i.e. link to the direct parent. If we were to stop categorically linking to the direct parent nor the root, we should edit that module too.) Nardog (talk) 08:16, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The link had pointed to the root talk page since 2006 . Nardog's edit may have fixed a use case, but it broke uses where it is intended to go to the root talk page – anything of the form Talk:Foo/Archive/some_subpage, commonly done by time, e.g. User talk:Example/Archives/yyyy/Month. You shouldn't make breaking changes to widely trancluded templates, especially without discussion and fixing all cases that are broken by the change. I don't see a good reason to make all of the templates function in the same way – its why there are different templates. I'd suggest using 1 or the more common aan when you don't want to link to the root talk page. — JJMC89  (T·C) 02:48, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

There should be a link to the article page too
When someone is on an archived talk page, there should be an easy (one-click) way to navigate to the article the talk page is about, just like there already is on the current talk page. Can someone edit the template so that it includes a link that goes straight to the article? As things stand, you have to navigate to the current talk page and then from there to the article. Richard75 (talk) 14:38, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That would definitely be a good idea. Though I'm wondering if this shouldn't ideally ultimately be handled by the mediawiki machinery. When you're on an archived talk subpage, say Talk:Mathematics/Archive 11, at the top there's already a mediawiki-generated link back to Talk:Mathematics, and that looks like a good place to have the link to Mathematics as well. – Uanfala (talk) 15:01, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe this should be discussed more widely elsewhere—say, Village pump (idea lab), given that the proposal is not very specific—since any solution implemented in this template should probably be done to several other similar talk-archive templates, as well. (In the meantime, ideas can be tried out in the sandbox and testcases subpages, which are not protected from editing.) - dcljr (talk) 08:15, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

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Portal:Practical Arts and Sciences/Did you know

Empennage The tail of an aircraft is called the "empennage". Usually it includes the stabilizers, rudder and elevator and it may contain the Flight Data Recorder ("black box") and Cockpit Voice Recorder. See: Introduction to aircraft components.


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suuria

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 * 1)  a simple kind of seine with no tail end that is closed by pulling a line to trap fish (such as salmon)

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Ananyevka

Ananyevka (Ананьевка) is a rural locality (a selo) and the administrative center of Ananyevsky Selsoviet, Kulundinsky District, Altai Krai, Russia. The population was 633 as of 2013. There are 6 streets.

Geography
Ananyevka is located on the Kulundinskaya plain, 56 km east of Kulunda (the district's administrative centre) by road. Yekaterinovka is the nearest rural locality.

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