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Lorenzo White

Lorenzo Maurice White (born July 12, 1966) is an American former football running back who played in the National Football League (NFL) for the Houston Oilers (1988–1994) and Cleveland Browns (1995). He was voted to the Pro Bowl in 1992, recording his best season with 1,226 rushing yards and 1,867 yards from scrimmage.

White played college football for Michigan State Spartans from 1984 to 1987, and was a consensus All-American in 1985 and 1987. He won the Big Ten Most Valuable Player in 1987, currently the last Spartan to be selected. He also continues to hold Michigan State records for rushing yardage in a career (4,887), rushing yardage in a season (2,066), rushing touchdowns in a career (43), rushing attempts in a season (419) and rushing attempts in a career (1,082).

White was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 2019. He has also been inducted into the Michigan State University Hall of Fame (2010), the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame (2022) and the Michigan Sports Hall of Fame (2023).

Early life
White was born in 1966 in Hollywood, Florida. He was raised by his mother, Gloria Golden, and his sister, Carla Golden. When White was in seventh grade, his step-father was shot and killed.

White played high school football at Dillard High School in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, rushing for over 1,000 yards in both 1982 and 1983. As a senior, he led the Dillard Panthers to a district title and was named the Broward County Offensive Player of the Year after gaining 1,255 yards and scoring 19 touchdowns. His coach, Otis Gray, said: "He is the kind of kid that comes along once in a lifetime. Not only a super athlete, but a super kid." One sports writer described White's impact: "White quickly emerged as the best running back the Panthers had ever seen. He was big, had great moves and unbelievable talent. Three years later, every college scout in the country was inquiring about him." He received more than 100 scholarship offers, finally narrowing his list to Michigan, Michigan State, Pittsburgh, Indiana, and Georgia.

1984 season
In February 1984 White signed with Michigan State University. As a freshman in 1984, he appeared in 11 games for the Spartans and led the team with 616 rushing yards. Against Northwestern on November 3, he totaled 170 rushing yards and scored two touchdowns.

1985 season
In 1985, White led the nation with 2,066 rushing yards. He averaged 4.9 yard per carry and scored 17 touchdowns. He had four games during the 1985 season in which he rushed for at least 223 yards: Indiana (286 yards and three touchdowns on 25 carries); Purdue (244 yards and two touchdowns on 53 carries); Iowa (226 yards on 39 carries); and Wisconsin (223 yards and one touchdown on 42 carries). In the 1985 Hall of Fame Classic, White rushed for 158 yards, but fumbled late in the fourth quarter to set up Georgia Tech's game-winning touchdown.

White was the first Big Ten player to rush for over 2,000 yards and the fifth player in Division I FBS history to reach the mark. He was a consensus pick on the 1985 All-America football team and the 1985 All-Big Ten Conference football team, and finished fourth in the 1985 Heisman Trophy voting, which was won by Bo Jackson. He was the first player to reach 2,000 rushing yards without winning the Heisman Trophy.

1986 season
As a junior in 1986, White sprained his left knee on October 4, missed two games, and was also impaired by recurring right ankle problems. He finished the season with 634 rushing yards, an average 3.9 yards per carry, and scored six touchdowns.

1987 season
As a senior in 1987, White totaled 1,572 rushing yards and 16 touchdowns, helping the Spartans to a Big Ten Conference championship and victories over #12 Michigan and #15 Ohio State. Against #16 Indiana, he rushed for a career-high 292 yards on 56 carries. In the 1988 Rose Bowl, White's final game for Michigan State, he rushed for 113 yards and two touchdowns to lead the Spartans to a 20–17 victory over #16 USC.

At the end of the regular season, White won the Chicago Tribune Silver Football as the most valuable player in the Big Ten Conference and finished fourth in the voting for the 1987 Heisman Trophy. He was also selected for the second time in his career as a consensus first-team pick on the 1987 All-America football team and the 1987 All-Big Ten Conference football team.

College statistics
At the time his college football career ended, White's 4,887 rushing yards ranked second in Big Ten Conference history, trailing only Archie Griffin. His 1,082 carries ranked first in conference history, though that record has since been surpassed. Through the 2022 season, White continued to hold Michigan State records for rushing yardage in a season (2,066), rushing yardage in a career (4,887), rushing touchdowns in a career (43), rushing attempts in a season (419), and rushing attempts in a career (1,082).

White's complete college statistics are set forth below:

1988 and 1989 seasons
White was selected by the Houston Oilers in the first round (22nd overall pick) of the 1988 NFL Draft. During the 1988 and 1989 seasons, White had limited playing time as a backup to Mike Rozier and Alonzo Highsmith. He tallied 115 rushing yards in 1988 and 349 yards in 1989.

1990: Houston's starting running back
White was not happy sitting on the bench. He recalled: "There had never been a time when I didn't run." After the 1989 season, he asked to be traded, but the Oilers kept him. He became the team's lead running back in 1990, starting all 16 games at the position. In an offense focused on the passing game (Warren Moon passed for 4,689 yards in 1990), White rushed for 125 yards against Buffalo, 116 yards and four touchdowns against Cleveland, and 90 yards and a touchdown against Pittsburgh. For the season, he totaled 702 rushing yards, averaging 4.2 yards per carry, caught 39 passes for 368 yards, and scored a career-high 12 touchdowns. After the 1990 season, Warren Moon praised White:"For the last two years, there has been so much talk about him being traded, yet he handled those situations in a mature manner. He didn't get down. He continued to work hard. For him to have handled it the way he did, he's got to feel real proud. Now he's been given the opportunity. That's all a player wants. It's all White wanted."

1991 season
In 1991, White held out and missed the first three regular-season games. When White returned to the lineup, he was a backup to Allen Pinkett. In 13 games, White gained 465 rushing yards, averaging 4.2 yards per carry, and caught 27 passes for 211 yards. Sports writer Randy Riggs later wrote that White "muddled through a forgettable year in which he rushed for only 465 yards."

1992: White's Pro Bowl season
White regained his role as the Oilers' starting running back in 1992, starting all 16 games for the club. He tallied a career-high 1,226 rushing yards (4.6 yards per carry), caught 57 passes for 641 yards, and scored eight touchdowns. He ranked fourth in the NFL with 1,867 yards from scrimmage and fifth in the league with 1,226 rushing yards and an average of 76.6 rushing yards per game. He also earned his first berth in the Pro Bowl after the 1992 season.

1993 and 1994 seasons
White held out during training camp in 1993, seeking a contract paying him $2 million for the 1993 season. In late August, he signed a one-year contract for the price they had originally offered -- $1.53 million. He also sustained a torn hamstring at midseason, lost the starting job to Gary Brown and was limited to eight games as a backup, gaining 465 yards and averaging 3.5 yards per carry.

White pursued free agency prior to the 1994 season, but he re-signed with the Oilers in late August, agreeing to a one-year contract for $475,000. He appeared in 15 games (eight as a starter) for the Oilers in 1994. He totaled 757 rushing yards, the second best season total of his NFL career.

1995: Cleveland Browns
In April 1995, White signed as a free agent with the Cleveland Browns. He received a three-year contract worth $2.75 million, including a $650,000 signing bonus. White appeared in 12 games for the Browns (two as a starter) and tallied 163 rushing yards for a career-low 2.6 yards per carry.

White was signed to a one-year contract by the New Orleans Saints prior to the 1996 season, but he was released in late August.

Career totals and statistics
Over eight years in the NFL, White recorded 4,242 rushing yards, averaging 4.0 yards per carry, caught 192 passes for 1,738 yards, totaled 5,980 yards from scrimmage, and scored 30 touchdowns. White was also known for ball security. He once had a streak of 485 consecutive carries without a fumble.

Later years and legacy
In 2015, the Lansing State Journal rated White at No. 2 on its list of the 50 greatest Michigan State football players of all time. At the time, columnist Graham Couch wrote: "White had an array of moves. He changed directions and ran laterally as fast as he hit the hole. He could freezed defenders with a simple dip of the shoulders, and did so often."

In January 2019, in his ninth year on the ballot, White was named to the College Football Hall of Fame. He was the 10th Michigan State player inducted into the Hall. He was also inducted into the Michigan State University Athletics Hall of Fame in 2010, the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame in 2022, and the Michigan Sports Hall of Fame in 2023.

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Ruud van Hemert

Ruud van Hemert (29 October 1938 – 5 July 2012) was a Dutch film director known especially for (dark) comedy. In the 1970s he helped produce and direct TV shows on VPRO before starting a career as a film director.

Biography
Ruud van Hemert was the son of television producer Willy van Hemert, and followed in his father's footsteps, making two television films for the VPRO, TV-Eiland (1965), and Pepijn op wieletjes ("a children's film for and about naughty children" conceived by Hans Andreus, followed by a few other children's shows, with Harrie Geelen. A breakthrough was the (stylistically experimental) documentary Oranje Vrijstaat, which had controversial politician Roel van Duijn as a central figure. His career took off when he cooperated with Wim T. Schippers, Gied Jaspars, and Wim van der Linden on such shows as De Fred Hachéshow (1971), Barend is weer bezig (1972–1973), and Van Oekel's Discohoek (1974), a series of TV shows that are credited with changing Dutch television forever by destroying it as a medium for serious and proper programming.

Van Hemert was already 46 when he made his debut as a film director in 1984 with the film Schatjes! ("Darlings"), one of the biggest box-office hits in Dutch cinema. In Schatjes!, a dark family comedy, guerrilla warfare between disturbed parents (Peter Faber and ) and their disruptive children leads to chaos and mayhem (at the end of the film, the parents are buried, in their car, under a layer of asphalt); the film drew 1.5 million visitors (some 10% of the Dutch population), making it one of the most successful Dutch films ever. Van Hemert followed up with a sequel in 1986,  ("Momma is angry"), another commercial success with 2 million tickets sold. Variety noted that while the anti-bourgeois mentality of the TV shows he did for the VPRO was maintained in the films, van Hemert himself said he was influenced more strongly by Hollywood cinema. Dutch films of the period were generally influenced by Hollywood; other "Hollands Hollywood" productions were Dick Maas's De Lift (1983) and Flodder (1986).

1988's Honneponnetje, a follow-up to Schatjes! and Mama is boos, was not well received by critics—it was "no more than a thousandfold-retold wet dream from a frustrated teenager". His career did not fare well during the 1990s, when he was unable to get financing for his scripts. He built a house in Spain and taught acting. He returned, with some success, in 2001 with I Love You Too, based on a novel by Ronald Giphart (141,257 visitors), and in 2004 his last film,  (77,399 visitors). His career, however, went downhill. He wrote about his frustrations with the film industry in a book called Bruut, and retired to Spain. In 2008 he survived prostate cancer, but in 2011 he was diagnosed with an aggressive form of throat cancer and he died the year after, at the house of friends in Wapserveen.

Selected filmography

 * Schatjes! (1984)
 *  (1986)
 * Honneponnetje (1988)
 * I Love You Too (2001)

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Talk:2006 Pacific typhoon season/August

99W.INVEST
Navy's got 99W, now. --Patteroast 21:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * gone. Alastor Moody (talk) 00:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Came back again. Alastor Moody (talk) 00:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This one looks like it could be something. bob rulz 09:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Interestingly enough, it's not that far north of 98P. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 23:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * ... and gone again. Alastor Moody (talk) 00:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Back again. Alastor Moody (talk) 00:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't post just for the sake of posting and boosting your edit count. If it's gone again and back again, you could've siad that with one edit, not three. Chacor 10:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * God, calm down! He saw that it was gone...how was he supposed to know that it was just going to come back up less than a minute later? If anything you're the one posting just for the sake of increasing your edit count here, which is a stupid and ridiculous accusation. Who even gives a damn if he posted twice? By the way, it was only two posts...think about what you say before you say it, please. You seem to be the only person here who cares. bob rulz 03:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Did you check the history? It was three. And NRL does remove storms, but hardly ever - I'd personally say NEVER - restores them within the same minute. And you're wrong about my being th eonly one who cares, so please at least make an attempt to find out the facts before posting and souncing uncivil. Chacor 03:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You're the one who sounded uncivil with your post. Okay, maybe it was three posts. Maybe I just didn't care enough to check the edit history. If there's other people that care then why are you the only one getting all upset over it? Nobody should care how many edits it takes to do what. Main point: I doubt that he did it "just to increase his edit count." This is Wikipedia! This is an encyclopedia. It doesn't matter how many edits it takes to do what. I'm sure he's so sorry that he's just not as smart as you and may not know that "NRL rarely removes storm, yadda yadda yadda." He didn't see it on there, so naturally he thought it had been removed. He is not degrading the quality of anything by taking 3 edits to do what he did, and you are accomplishing nothing in telling him to "use less edits." You're just attacking him for something stupid and trivial. bob rulz 07:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * WP:NPA. Chacor 07:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

(move back to margin) I'm not attacking you. bob rulz 07:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I meant, WP:NPA means that your sentence "You're just attacking him for something stupid and trivial." isn't right. I know what the policy is. Chacor 07:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Last time I checked Wikipedia encouraged users to take as many posts as they need to do something, which means not attacking somebody for how many edits it takes to edit something. And I apologize if I attacked you in my post, I didn't mean for it to come out the way it did. bob rulz 00:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

08W.NONAME
NRL has 08W.NONAME up. íslenska hurikein | #12 (samtal) 20:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's official now. íslenska hurikein | #12 (samtal) 21:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * JTWC has it as a TS now. Chacor 10:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks strong in the NRL page satellite photos. Alastor Moody (talk) 23:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

08W.SAOMAI
JMA upgraded this into Saomai after upgrading 90W into Maria... this does deserve to be a tropical storm... Typhoonchaser 13:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right, even the JMA forecasts Saomai to be a typhoon. I also think Samoai deserves to be a typhoon. Alastor Moody (talk) 06:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Official track has it hitting China as a category 3 typhoon, not long after Bopha is expected to hit about the same area. China just won't be catching a break anytime soon. bob rulz 18:54, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Long range forcasts reported that this typhoon will peak as a weak to moderate Category 4 typhoon. But it did have a chance to strenghten further to be become the third Super Typhoon of this season. Irfan  faiz  22:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I like tracking this storm, an eye began to appear now: . Irfan  faiz  05:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

BTW, remember that all JTWC forecasts are unofficial... JMA now has it as a TY. Chacor 07:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Make that a strong Category 3 typhoon peak predicitions on long range forcasts. But it may intensifiy further. Irfan  faiz  11:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Best looking Cat 1 I've ever seen. It's a shame they don't do recon out there - it'd be helpful. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 00:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This is turning into a very impressive storm. It's up to cat 3 now, and it's forecast to intensify further. Watch out China! As if they haven't had enough already... bob rulz 04:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow. Category 4 already?  Irfan  faiz  12:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this thing is absolutely exploding. I wouldn't be surprised if it reached category 5 very soon. Just look at that perfect structure. bob rulz 15:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It is a cat 5 (per the JTWC). íslenska hurikein | #12 (samtal) 15:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just noticed that (in fact, there was an edit conflict there). Wow, talk about your classic West Pacific typhoon. bob rulz 15:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Damn, I hope it doesn't hit China at full strength. -- WmE 16:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

 * NRL has it at 898mb. Should we wait? Pobbie Rarr 16:16, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * NRL can differ quite wildly from the JMA regarding pressures; Chanchu's operational lowest pressure was 920 hPa, while the NRL reported 910mb. Chacor 16:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Reminds me of Cyclone Monica. The BoM put it at 905mb whereas the JTWC put it at 879mb. There's no consensus at all. Pobbie Rarr 16:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

 * WHOA!!! A CATEGORY 5 SUPER TYPHOON!!! Dude, these things get so more common in the west half of the pacific. I wonder if China is gonna live from Saomai. This storm's looks like a killer and a fighter. Alastor Moody (talk) 18:41, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

 * She's coming in fast to China. It also haves a big round eye, looks very like an annular hurricane. Alastor Moody (talk) 18:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Saomai definitely looks at least somewhat stronger than the JMA is showing, (but probably not quite as strong as the JTWC is saying). A couple of professional meteorologists on Storm2k said this looks like a Cat 4 or at least a strong Cat 3. Whatever it is, it's not gonna be good... --Core des at talk. ^_^ 19:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actual, I really do think this is a Category 5 super typhoon, look how strong it is; it is really a never-giving up fighter. Alastor Moody (talk) 19:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Whatever the case, I'll start looking for storm history info and make a prototype article in my sandbox later. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 20:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looking at the satellite image on NRL, it kind of looks like it's annular to me.Reub2000 22:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This was unexpected. CAT5 ALREADY??? It looked like an "annular typhoon" to me.  Irfan  faiz  22:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Well the NRL forecast Saomai to hit China as a Cat.4 seems to be the heat is on. Alastor Moody (talk) 22:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

What I don't understand is the huge discrepancy. How can the JMA call it a Cat 2 and the JTWC call it a Cat 5? The differences between 10- and 1-minute means are not THAT great. Personally, I think the JMA is completely missing it, going just by satellite imagery, but maybe they'll do some fast upgrading before it hits land. —Cuivi é nen 23:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's long been my opinion that JMA underforecasts storms in their jurisdiction. This is not even close to a Cat 2 - if it is, it's the greatest-looking Cat 2 ever, anywhere in the world. In fact, their latest advisory weakened it slightly. As for 10-minute and 1-minute averages, multiply the 10-minute speed by 1.14 to get the 1-minute speed. For Saomai, the JMA is calling this a 105 kt (1-min, rounded up from 102.6 kt) typhoon, which still doesn't seem strong enough. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 23:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Latest SSD Dvorak is T7.0/7.0. On JMA's modified Dvorak scale, this corresponds to 107 kt (10-min)/121 kt (1-min). --Core des at talk. ^_^ 23:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The rainbands are weakening by looking at satellite imagery. http://www.cwb.gov.tw/V5/observe/satellite/sat_s1q.htm Before, Saomai had pink circling all around it, now it's just very little pink and some blue and black (weaker) Typhoonchaser 02:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But its still possible Saomai could hit China as a Category 4. The NRL forecasts her to hit with winds of 130 knots, or 140-145 mph winds (but yes, I know the navy isn't official) Lol. Alastor Moody (talk) 02:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's starting to weaken as it approached the coast, but it will still probably be powerful at landfall. bob rulz 03:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * JMA well is left behind now. They still call it a Category 2 typhoon. Sorry to add but the strongest storm is Category 4 Ewiniar? But not this Category 5 storm? -- Irfan  faiz  05:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * In the article? Yes, because JMA said Ewiniar's peak was 100kt. Saomai's JMA peak has been 95 kt. Chacor 05:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I hate to say but I also think that Saoami was stronger than Ewiniar cause although they were both super typhoons, the JMA uses 10-minute wind speed means (which is very annoying and confuses with the 1-min. mean and with the JTWC). Alastor Moody (talk) 08:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

WOW! Saomai is now almost half way over land and is still a Category 5!!! Man, this may be the first landfalling Category 5 typhoon ever witnessed by me. Alastor Moody (talk) 08:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's the first cat 5 landfall anywhere that I've tracked. Now the question is: how much damage is this going to do to China? Half of the circulation is over land and it still looks almost perfect, and it looks like the eye is going to make landfall any moment. bob rulz 08:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC}
 * Cyclone Monica made landfall as a Cat 5 just earliesr this year. —Cuivi é nen 18:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * True...but I didn't track that one. I just saw a couple of news articles on it and that's all. Either way Saomai wasn't a cat 5 at landfall. bob rulz 18:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Now, another question: should we make an article on this now? Certainly a cat 5 or near cat 5 landfall is worthy of an article anywhere in the world, and this will likely do catastrophic damage. bob rulz 08:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's one of mother nature's worst fury: a Category 5 super typhoon making landfall on metropolis China. Dude, Saomai looks like the "Hurricane Katrina" of China. Well it seems to hit a densely jammed packed city, so this storm ought to have its own article:-) Alastor Moody (talk) 09:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The eyewall is ALMOST over land now, with Category 4 intensity. China is having a bad time this year and this will be the worst. It is now 130 kts (1-min) now. -- Irfan  faiz  09:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Excuse me for saying it was going to hit as a Cat. 5, but right now it is VERY, VERY, VERY close before it crosses land. But even at 130 kt (or 140-145 mph) is still a strong Category 4 to hit metropolis China. All eyes on Saomai. Alastor Moody (talk) 02:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Strongly reminds me of Hurricane Katrina hitting New Orleans. Alastor Moody (talk) 02:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Saomai is tiny though. Quite small, compared to Hurricane Katrina. I think it made landfall circa 5:30 pm, according to JMA's satellite at 9:30 UTC (http://www.jma.go.jp/en/gms/large.html?area=0&element=1&time=200608100930&mode=UTC). China have evacuated around 200000 people (heard it on the news today), but there's bound to be damage and injuries, from a storm as strong as this... Typhoonchaser 09:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * According to this Reuters article, 1.3 million people were evacuated. It also says that it's the strongest storm to hit China in 50 years. bob rulz 09:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * News must have got it wrong then. But it can be easily understood how seriously China are taking this storm. Typhoonchaser 10:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Whoa! Super Typhoon Saomai has already made landfall! Its central eye is on the coastline! And I've already started out her hurricane article too. Go to Typhoon Saomai (2006). Alastor Moody (talk) 10:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

This is exactly the crap I'm talking about. "Hurricane Katrina of China"? Please. China gets these all the time, and there's always death and flooding. However, not on a scale of Hurricane Katrina. Bob rulz, here you go, a perfect example of the nonsense that has to stop. Re. the article, especially for Western North Pacific storms there is little information when it is active. Please wait for more information before starting the article - it waas a total copy and paste of the seasonal section. It may be best to start working on the article in your personal sandboxes. Chacor 10:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Eye moving inland now. It came ashore with 155 mph (1-min) winds.-- Irfan  faiz  10:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Land ho! Alastor Moody (talk) 10:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that saying things like "the Hurricane Katrina of China" is ridiculous. However, that's not the level of predictions we're arguing about. I've always said that those kinds of predictions should stop. I'm talking about the less drastic, more realistic, and smaller predictions. By the way, I do have to disagree with you saying that "China gets these all the time." This is the strongest storm to threaten China in 50 years (according to Reuters) and I doubt a 5mph difference in strength (160mph down to 155mph) would significantly change that figure. bob rulz 11:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * "These" meaning typhoons. It normally doesn't matter if it's a Cat 1 on the JTWC scale or a Cat 5, or even, as we saw with Bilis, a TS - China's government will still fail to deal with problems at a local level, but the death toll from any single storm rarely exceeds 350 to 400 people per storm. Chacor 11:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * On another note, I disagree with your merging of the article. The information will come soon. An upper category 4/lower category 5 landfall is notable anywhere in the world, at any time. bob rulz 11:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I've left him a note asking him to work on it in userspace - it's easier to do so, as we've seen with the result of the quite badly-written article on Chris. Chacor 11:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. bob rulz 11:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree on Chacor though. A really weak depression (in 2004 if i'm correct) managed to caused severe flooding and landslides in the Philippines. If i'm right the countries where typhoons usually strike are very hilly. -- Irfan  faiz  13:40, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Anyhow Irfanfaiz, at what intensity did Saomai make landfall, like what Category and what wind speeds? Alastor Moody (talk) 22:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * What ever it is its now a minimal tropical storm, per JMA:-) Alastor Moody (talk) 22:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Saomai's over, and the reports are already coming in - at least 111 deaths already. This may prove to be article-worthy. In fact, I'm working on a (hopefully better) article in my sandbox. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 03:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The beginnings of my article are at User:Coredesat/Testing. I just need to add preps and impact info. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 05:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

90W.INVEST
And there's this one, too. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 21:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, that popped up since I went to look about five minutes ago! --Patteroast 21:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * gone. Alastor Moody (talk) 00:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Came back again. Alastor Moody (talk) 00:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And gone again. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 14:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And back again! --Patteroast 07:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And gone again. Alastor Moody (talk) 00:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Back again. Alastor Moody (talk) 00:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Not a bad storm, I'm suprised that such a good-lookin' (hehe. lol) storm like this one left and came back and left and camp back and left and came back. íslenska hurikein | #12 (samtal) 00:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The 0803/2330Z text from the JTWC rates it as a poor area, along with 98W and 99W. Chacor 02:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC) (3) AN AREA OF CONVECTION HAS PERSISTED NEAR 21.2N 152.0E, APPROXIMATELY 625 NM EAST-SOUTHEAST OF IWO JIMA. RECENT ANIMATED INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGERY, A 031939Z QUIKSCAT PASS AND A 031933 AMSU-B MICROWAVE PASS SHOW CONVECTION WRAPPING INTO A DEVELOPING LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC) UNDER A TROPICAL UPPER TROPOSPHERIC TROUGH (TUTT) CELL. UPPER LEVEL ANALYSIS REVEALS LOW VERTICAL WIND SHEAR, FAVORABLE EASTWARD OUTFLOW AND A STRONG 850 MB VORTICITY SIG- NATURE. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 10 TO 15 KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED TO BE NEAR 1008 MB. BECAUSE THE CIRCULATION ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SYSTEM IS JUST BEGINNING TO BUILD AT THE SURFACE, THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS POOR.

TROPICAL DEPRESSION
JMA has upgraded 90W to a tropical depression. Chacor 12:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It definitely looks like one. bob rulz 13:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

TS0607 MARIA
JMA has named this system. JTWC does not recognise it as a TD even. Chacor 13:12, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah... well, at least JTWC says it's FAIR. But JTWC mentions it as a subtropical storm... hmm.Typhoonchaser 13:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * TCFA issued. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 18:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

09W.MARIA
JTWC now has this as a TS, so new section added. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 22:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Too bad PAGASA didn't name this as Juan since its too far north from the Philippines. But Saomai may get it instead. Alastor Moody (talk) 23:36, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You do realise that typhoons are bad, yes? You do realise it's a good thing this one won't affect the Philippines, yes? Then please, don't say it's "too bad". Maria is too far east of the AOR anyway. Chacor 03:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Look, I didn't mean for this storm to kill people in the Philippines. I meant that since it is out of PAGASA responsibility, it wouldn't be named "Juan", that's all. And also, when did I say I wanted this storm to kill people? Alastor Moody (talk) 05:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

It is just my eyes playing tricks on me, or is it really Tropical Storm Maria forming (or already having) an eye? Alastor Moody (talk) 05:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

 * No, I see it too. This thing almost looks like a typhoon already... bob rulz 07:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Satellite imagery shows some new bursts of convection around the eye, which is a lot better defined now than it was a couple hours ago. NRL at least agrees with the assessment that Maria is intensifying rapidly - their estimate is now 60 kt (it was 40 kt not long ago). NRL isn't official, but their estimates do give us an idea of what the storm's doing. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 09:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This storm may (or may not) reach minimal typhoon strength if waters and shear allows Maria to become a typhoon. Alastor Moody (talk) 23:37, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I've never heard of a tropical cyclone forming this far north (except for a TS in 1957 only recognized by the JMA). Does anybody know what the record is for the NWPac? íslenska hurikein | #12 (samtal) 00:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks perfect here But it only exists for only a breif of time.  Irfan  faiz  05:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Well I hear that the JTWC upgraded Maria into a minimal typhoon several hours ago, although the JMA rather saw it as a maximum STS. But will the JMA upgrade Maria into a typhoon after the season's end as post-analysis? Alastor Moody (talk) 05:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

That's weird, At first, Maria had formed a circular small eye with a rotational shape, but now circulation has died on the western side of Maria with no eye. Alastor Moody (talk) 05:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like Maria's made landfall. It's taking on an extratropical appearance, as well. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 00:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, its hasn't made landfall yet, but guess it may be fully extratropical when it hits Japan; sort of reminds me of TS Beryl and Hurricane Ophelia from 2005:-) Alastor Moody (talk) 03:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if this will make landfall. It looks like it's going to move out to sea just beyond the coast. Either way it's a very weak storm now, and I'd be surprised if it did much damage. bob rulz 04:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actual, it will not make landfall (i bet Japan is in luck) and simply become extratropical which it is already doing. Alastor Moody (talk) 18:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The JMA now calls it as a minimal tropical storm, so I expect it to be declared as an extratropical depression by the next advisory issue (if they ever give one, but seems unlikely). Alastor Moody (talk) 03:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Gone from the NRL. íslenska hurikein | #12 (samtal) 18:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well it seems to have come back, but Maria is sure clinging onto that minimal tropical storm status. And also, I think it may have been already extrtropical. It hardly has any warm core. Alastor Moody (talk) 22:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, the cyclone phase diagrams say it's still warm-core, so I guess the JMA is right on by continuing advisories. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 01:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually its now an extratropical low, as the JMA has quit issuing advisories. Alastor Moody (talk) 06:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

91W.INVEST
There's a 91W up on NRL. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 20:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * JTWC now lists this as a poor area -

(4) AN AREA OF CONVECTION HAS PERSISTED NEAR 19.2N 134.7E, APPROXIMATELY 560 NM SOUTHEAST OF NAHA, OKINAWA. RECENT ANIMATED ENHANCED INFRARED IMAGERY AND A 041836Z AMSU-B MICROWAVE PASS REVEALS A FLARING OF CONVECTION ASSOCIATED WITH SURFACE TROUGHING. UPPER LEVEL ANALYSIS SHOWS THE PRESENCE OF AN ANTICYCLONE OVER THE AREA OF CONVEC- TION AND LOW VERTICAL WIND SHEAR. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED SURFACE WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 15 TO 20 KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED TO BE NEAR 1007 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS POOR.
 * --Core des at talk. ^_^ 06:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

TROPICAL DEPRESSION
JMA has it as a TD now. Looks very impressive on satellite. Chacor 10:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

91W."INDAY"
Pagasa has named this stotm "Inday" -- VOFFA 18:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Renamed the section for consistency's sake. Definitely looking good, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a TCFA issued on this later today. JTWC calls it a fair area right now. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 19:16, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, since Inday is currently at 30 kt (by the JMA advisories), I wouldn't be ever astonished that this storm to be monitered as a tropical storm by tommorow. And if anyone thinks I'm wrong, please go visit the Navy page, or the JMA page. Alastor Moody (talk) 05:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

10W.NONAME
The JTWC has issued 91W. "Inday" as 10W.NONAME. Alastor Moody (talk) 07:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it hasn't. The NRL isn't the JTWC. The JTWC will issue a warning on Tropical Depression 10W when it does. I have, by the way, reverted the edit to the main article, it shouldn't go there until the JTWC confirms it. Chacor 07:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

10W.BOPHA
Well the above was useless, then, as the JMA has named it Bopha at 06Z. Chacor 07:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The current forecast track is quite similar to Bilis. Hopefully this won't cause as much damage if any at all. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 09:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, South China has had a difficult time of it... Bilis, Kaemi, Prapiroon and now Bopha all in a row. —Cuivi é nen 18:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think Bopha made lanfall. íslenska hurikein | #12 (samtal) 00:41, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * In fact, it crossed Taiwan already and is still heading WSW... The CWB track shows it, I think. Typhoonchaser 01:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The JTWC monitors it as a depression, not much likely to do some damage (same with STS Maria), but its remants may be absored by Saomai, if he nabs Bopha. Alastor Moody (talk) 18:553
 * Interesting... But what I think is that after Saomai makes landfall, and if Bopha survives after that, then Bopha may be able to regenerate. Currently JMA says it's still a TS (not really...) and HKO says it's a TD. Typhoonchaser 23:41, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the JTWC monitors it as a 30 mph depression and has square chances of regenerating, although since its so close to land, it dosen't have a "great" pontential to do so. Alastor Moody (talk) 02:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Now the JMA downgraded Bopha as a tropical depression. Now has a smaller chance of regenerating, currently the JMA and the JTWC dosen't mention anything about regeneration. Alastor Moody (talk) 09:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The JTWC resumed advisories. íslenska hurikein | #12 (samtal) 14:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * For a little bit... íslenska hurikein | #12 (samtal) 15:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Now Bopha seems to have completely dissipated, except for a few small whirling clouds at 15 mph. Alastor Moody (talk) 22:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * From HKO's radar image it crossed the southwestern part of Hong Kong as a weak swirling mass of clouds. Intensity - I would personally call it a tropical depression, it looked better this morning (HKT of course) than yesterday afternoon though Typhoonchaser 01:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * What ever it is, its gone from the NRL and the JMA calls it dissipated. Alastor Moody (talk) 06:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

92W.INVEST
92W just appeared. -- RattleMan 22:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks sort-of disorganized here, I wonder if thia blob may ever develope. Alastor Moody (talk) 19:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The satellite presentation has improved markedly and it's been given a fair chance of development. Who does the official predictions for that? The JTWC or the JMA? I saw the notice on the Storm2k board, but it doesn't say which agency it comes from. bob rulz 08:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's the JTWC. The JMA only classes TDs, and doesnt actually talk about chances (except in prognostic reasoning, which I've heard they do release occasionally). Chacor 14:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought it was the JTWC...I just wasn't sure. This invest is looking better every time I take a look at the NRL page. bob rulz 15:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess its developing right now. Alastor Moody (talk) 22:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Tropical Cyclone Formation Alert issued -- VOFFA 02:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks amazing in satellite images. If this thing managed to grow into a very strong typhoon, i hope it will not got to China. -- Irfan  faiz  12:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

11W.NONAME (JMA TD)
Now 11W from NRL. JMA has it as a TD. Chacor 13:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks very organized, wind shear dosen't seem to bother this depression, but it seems to be heading where Maria once was; Japan and the RSMC Tokyo. Alastor Moody (talk) 21:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I heard somewhere that Maria was orignally sub tropical. Thank god this was not on a path towards China. -- Irfan  faiz  22:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well if Maria started as an subtropical cyclone, it later became tropical before becoming an ex-tropical low. Alastor Moody (talk) 23:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

11W.WUKONG
TS0610 WUKONG from the JMA. Chacor 07:13, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There are some strange-looking predictions for Wukong's track. The JTWC calls for it to skirt right around Japan just off the coast of Kyushu and then (probably, outside forecast range) hit Korea. The JMA calls for it to turn and head south towards Taiwan. —Cuivi é nen 16:46, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If it heads towrds Japan or Korea, it will be on the same track Ewiniar did, but if it heads to Tawian, it will heads the same track Kaemi and Bilis did. Alastor Moody (talk) 19:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not exactly. It's already far east and north of where any of those were. (It formed in about the same place as Maria.) It would have to head straight west and then turn straight north to hit Korea without hitting Japan, which is what the JTWC is calling for. Similarly, it would have to head south (extraordinarily rare in the NW Pacific) for an extended period of time to reach Taiwan, but the JMA seems to expect it to do so. —Cuivi é nen 20:37, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well its rare that tropical cyclones trend to head south in the northern hemisphere, but what the JMA is expecting seems to be extremely rare to tropical cyclones to do that. Alastor Moody (talk) 06:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Very, very close to STS, the JMA even forecasts this to be a minimal Category 1 typhoon. Alastor Moody (talk) 00:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Darn, the waters seem to cold for anymore developement, Wukongs now being shredded itself by either cold waters, dry air, or shear if you look it through the NRL infared pictures. Alastor Moody (talk) 22:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems to be dissipating over water, may hit Japan as a minimal tropical storm (as the NRL predictions show). Alastor Moody (talk) 22:49, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The Hong Kong Observatory upgraded Wukong to Severe Tropical Storm status here on August 15. Sole upgrader of status, even the JMA only have Wukong as a TS.
 * Oh wait, scrap what I said before. The Central Weather Bureau says here that it's an STS too. Typhoonchaser 02:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I'll be durned if Wukong fromed an eyewall cause it has a clear opening which I saw on the Navy site. Alastor Moody (talk) 08:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Whoa! Wukong's most outer rain bands have already swept clean into Korea. Alastor Moody (talk) 08:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * IMO, nothing more than clouds. Wukong is current stalled over Kyushu (per the JMA 0600 advisory). Have a look at this link... the rain is only on the coast of Korea. However, given that the image is almost five hours old, it's possible that the rainbands have since moved west. Wukong is a very large system... Chacor 08:55, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But nothing more than a minimal tropical storm to the JMA and a remant low to the JTWC. Alastor Moody (talk) 22:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Gone from the NRL. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 15:13, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Back. <IP_ADDRESS> 19:44, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like it could be dropping significant rain along it's path, but I don't know of any radars out there or anything of that sort, so I can't be sure. bob rulz 07:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

93W.INVEST
93W just appeared as well. -- RattleMan 22:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Of all three new invests, this one looks the best. I wouldn't be surprised if this one developed first. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 00:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's gone though. bob rulz 18:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

94W.INVEST
94 is up as well--<IP_ADDRESS> 23:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This is another rather impressive looking invest. bob rulz 15:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Gone. Chacor (formerly NSLE)  16:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

95W.INVEST
Near the Philippines. PAGASA hasn't named it yet. Chacor (formerly NSLE)  16:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * PAGASA dosen't name invests btw.  Irfan  faiz  22:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm, no. PAGASA does name INVESTS. Agaton was an invest (98W IIRC). Its just that to them it was a TD...--Nilfanion (talk) 23:02, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you mean "Not all"?. -- Irfan  faiz  12:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * PAGASA names INVESTS which they feel are TDs, this year that's been 98W (Agaton), 92W (Domeng - Jelawat), 91W (Inday - Bopha). Chacor 13:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

96W.INVEST
There's a 96W on NRL. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 04:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And actually, this appears to be the same area as 95W. Did it split into two disturbances, or is this an error? --Core des at talk. ^_^ 04:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * TCFA. íslenska hurikein | #12 (samtal) 19:14, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

12W.NONAME
The NRL has it as a NONAME. Alastor Moody (talk) 20:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's official now (if you call the JTWC official). íslenska hurikein | #12 (samtal) 22:42, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's officially a TD. JMA has it as a TD on their weather map, and is forecasting it to become a TS within 24 hours. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 22:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Katring from PAGASA at 2 a.m. local time Aug 14 (1800 UTC). Chacor 00:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

TS0611 SONAMU
The Japan Meteorological Agency names it a tropical storm -- VOFFA 02:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sonamu must have reached its peak intensity already, the JMA forecastsd it to dissipate within 2 days, so does the JTWC. Alastor Moody (talk) 00:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's getting torn apart by Wukong. —Cuivi é nen 01:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well the JMA monitors it as a weak tropical storm while Wukong is a strong(er) tropical storm so I expect Sonamu to be absorbed or become ex-tropical depression. Not only that, some dry air is in northeast of Sonamu and convection is decreasiong slowly. But I also note an eye or a central point of the storm is forming. Alastor Moody (talk) 01:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, looks like Wukong's going to absorb the smaller Sonamu... Typhoonchaser 01:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's funny, maybe Sonamu has an eye. But its beginning to weaken and the most wirdest part is that convection is only in the southwest of the storm. What happen to the rest, got absorbed by Wukong or something? Alastor Moody (talk) 01:50, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Interesting to note that the strongest rainbands are displaced to its southwest. There's a clear eye on the visible satellite images, but the rainbands there are weak... Typhoonchaser 01:47, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The JMA says this storm will be dead within 2 days or 48 hours. Alastor Moody (talk) 01:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, it looks like Sonamu has joined the same system with Wukong, if you look at the NRL water vapor image for Sonamu. Alastor Moody (talk) 02:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

12W.SONAMU
Making a new section that should have been made a few hours ago. The center is almost completely exposed, so it looks like Sonamu will either be absorbed or sheared to death by Wukong. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 02:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sonamu is now being absorbed by Wukong, so I expect Wukong to be at least a STS or possibly even a typhoon. The JMA even expects this to be absorbed while the JTWC forecasts it to slam into Wukong. Alastor Moody (talk) 02:17, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * "Sonamu is now being absorbed by Wukong" - YANAM. You are not a meteorologist. Says who that Sonamu is being absorbed? Good grief. Chacor 02:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * EVERYONE IS SAYING SONAMU IS BEING ABSORBED BY WUKONG, NOT ONLY ME!!! And also don't start this again, you've been driving me crazy for you thinking me as a meteorologist, so what if I can't talk like a meteorologist?!?! And what do you mean "YANAM" is that a cuss word or something? Alastor Moody (talk) 02:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Who is "everyone"? Not the JMA. You Are Not A Meteorologist is what "YANAM" means. Chacor 02:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't care! LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!! Alastor Moody (talk) 02:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * WP:CIV, WP:NOT. Read those two Wiki policies, for you are close to a request for comment on user conduct. I know at least three people who'll support. Chacor 02:47, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Stay out of thiat, actually you are making me mad. Alastor Moody (talk) 02:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * All right, calm down. I recommend that this section be archived so we can start over. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 02:53, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I am wholly serious. Your attitude has been near disruptive, and does not help the project nor the encyclopedia. You need to get it in check, or we'll need the Wiki community to agree on it. Also, support archiving. Chacor 02:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, sorry; but I'm gonna retreat to my userpage. Alastor Moody (talk) 02:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

12W.SONAMU (2)

 * Archived stuff. Start over, please, and no incivility. Cheers, Chacor 03:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Circulation appears to be slightly elongated toward Wukong right now. The JTWC now agrees with the JMA in that Sonamu doesn't have very long to live. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 03:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * From what I can observe, it seems that Sonamu's circulation is starting to be incorporated into Wukong's circulation. Last year's Vicente and 90W is a good example: 90W was sheared into a weird squarish shape like Sonamu's now, and it was only a matter of time before Vicente incorporated 90W into its circulation. This looks similar. Typhoonchaser 03:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's being eaten up, it's getting longer and longer by the hour, from CWB images... its convection will be completely absorbed into Wukong's rainbands... Let's see if Wukong will strengthen then... (pity no one's up to watch this uncommon phenomenon...) Typhoonchaser 08:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is the latest prognostic reasoning from the JMA regarding this system. Chacor 08:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC) 163 WTPQ31 RJTD 150600

RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE PROGNOSTIC REASONING REASONING NO. 4 FOR TS 0611 SONAMU (0611) 1.GENERAL COMMENTS REASONING OF PROGNOSIS THIS TIME IS SIMILAR TO PREVIOUS ONE. POSITION FORECAST IS MAINLY BASED ON NWP AND PERSISTENCY. 2.SYNOPTIC SITUATION NOTHING PARTICULAR TO EXPLAIN. 3.MOTION FORECAST POSITION ACCURACY AT 150600 UTC IS GOOD. TS WILL MOVE AT THE SAME SPEED FOR THE NEXT 24 HOURS. TS WILL MOVE NORTHEAST FOR THE NEXT 12 HOURS THEN MOVE GRADUALLY TO NORTH-NORTHEAST. 4.INTENSITY FORECAST TS WILL BE GRADED DOWN TO TD WITHIN 24 HOURS. TS WILL WEAKEN BECAUSE ACTIVE CONVECTIVE CLOUD CLUSTER HAS SEPARATED FROM LOW LEVEL CIRCURATION CENTER=

 * It's very interesting, watching this get swallowed by Wukong. It's essentially dead now. bob rulz 19:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The NRL has it as a 30 kt (35 mph) tropical depression, but the JTWC has it as a 35 kt (40 mph) storm. How can that be? Alastor Moody (talk) 20:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wukong has now sheared Sonamu so I guess Sonamu is Wukong now, if you see the NRL water vapor image for Sonamu, he seems to be completely mixed up in th big ape's convection. Alastor Moody (talk) 21:17, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks like a band of clouds (looks like Wukong is eating it for breakfast). -- Irfan  faiz  22:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's now completely, and officially gone, the big ol' monkey must have finished its last bite. Alastor Moody (talk) 22:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Gone from the NRL, I guess that's because Sonamu had fused with Wukong. Alastor Moody (talk) 01:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

98W.INVEST
98W just appeared. Did we miss 97W? -- RattleMan 01:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * They must be losing it over there at NRL, what with all these WPAC systems to track. ;) They changed 95W to 96W for no apparent reason. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 01:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The SSD reported a Dvorak reading of ST1.5/1.5 (subtropical!) for a 97W not too long ago, but it isn't on NRL. Chacor 03:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I dosen't look healthy. I think this blob is causing the cloudiness at my place. -- Irfan  faiz  05:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Gone from the NRL. Alastor Moody (talk) 01:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Back on. <IP_ADDRESS> 20:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * NRL has re-issued 98W.INVEST but it's located just north of the equator.-- VOFFA 20:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * About 10 times the distance from Hong Kong than it was back there in the South China Sea ;) Seriously though, I've never seen NRL re-issue. Maybe I haven't been checking often enough... Typhoonchaser 11:22, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Gone for the second time, ;) -- グリフオーザー 06:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

97W.INVEST
The 97W mentioned above had just appeared on NRL. -- RattleMan 11:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Whoa, just inside the date line... middle of nowhere, really... Typhoonchaser 13:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's subtropical, says the SSD. Unfortunately, NRL does not release information on movement of storms. JTWC doesn't mention anything, while the CPHC isn't mentioning it... YET. If it stays an invest and moves east we'll definitely (this is definite, like earlier in the season with 95E (I think) and 90C) get 91C. Looks quite interesting. Chacor 14:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually it should be 92C, cuz 97E is in the Central Pacific. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 14:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * See my post at the EPac talk - it isn't. Chacor 14:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If you go to the CPHC website, you can see this system just coming into satellite range. It appears to be nearly stationary. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 19:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Convection's on the increase, but it's mainly on the front-like tail of the system. Still doesn't look fully tropical yet. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 00:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wind shear is slowing down developement, but I don't know why people call it sub-tropical, it looks do disorganized that I can't tell. Alastor Moody (talk) 01:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks like it is gonna detach from a cold front? -- Irfan  faiz  05:29, 15 August 2006

Was moving westwards earlier, but now it's drifting east. SSD's latest readings are still ST1.5/1.5... currently just under six degrees longitude west of the date line. Chacor 06:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The Japan Meteorological Agency notes it as a Tropical Depression with 1012 hPa. However in the 12 hour outlook of the chart it returns back to an area of low pressure. -- VOFFA 19:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * From that location, it could follow a similar track to Paka or Oliwa? -- Irfan  faiz  22:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Where does it say it's a depression? Can't find it on the JMA. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 22:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

 * It shows it here. Currently it says "TROPICAL DEPRESSION 1010 HPA AT 30N 173E WEST SLOWLY." -- 22:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

 15/2033 UTC    29.9N  172.1E   ST0.2/0.2              97W  I don't know what to make of it. 0.2? Chacor 02:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing it's a bug. Typhoonchaser 02:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * More than likely a typo. I'm sure they meant 2.0. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 03:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Gone -- グリフオーザー 06:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

99W.INVEST
New invest at 20.9N 129.4E. -- RattleMan 15:16, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * TCFA issued. <IP_ADDRESS> 18:43, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oddly that Tropical Cyclone Formation Alert isn't showing the right area.
 * It shows it near Guam and this invest is near Philippines. -- VOFFA 20:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, is one of the INVESTs out by Guam? The only one that could be is 98W; I don't have my map here to figure out what longitude and latitude is where. bob rulz 02:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, that was fast. bob rulz 19:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The TCFA graphic says 7.7N, 150.1E. If you look at all three invests none of them are centred at or NEAR 7.7/150.1. The JTWC site usually puts up TCFA info as well, but nothing there. Probably a test. Chacor 03:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There was a "test TCFA" for Sonamu as well, it was actually the TCFA for Prapiroon. It confuses many people (including me) at first glance, as you always have to look in to see that it actually isn't TCFA for the invest you're looking at. Typhoonchaser 08:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Gone -- グリフオーザー 06:07, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

91W.INVEST
91W just appeared. Did we miss 90W? -- RattleMan 00:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The NRL is making up for the double 98W.INVEST =} nah don't think there was a 90W.INVEST issued. -- VOFFA 00:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

 * NRL had a minor problem with 91W for a short while: :) -- RattleMan 06:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This doesn't looks very healthy. Unless it's that swirl down near the southeast corner of the image, there's hardly anything out there at all. bob rulz 07:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Inactive now -- グリフオーザー 21:54, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

92W.INVEST
92W also appeared. -- RattleMan 00:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not appearing on NRL anymore, still on FNMOC page though.. -- グリフオーザー 06:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

93W.INVEST
Active day, this... Chacor 02:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * hmm looks like the remains of 99W.INVEST, by chance. -- VOFFA 04:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Also gone -- グリフオーザー 21:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

94W.INVEST
New invest at 8.2N 174E. -- RattleMan 01:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's never a good area to see potential tropical cyclone development. Way out near the Marshall Islands often produces significant typhoons. bob rulz 07:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Joint Typhoon Warning Center doesn't mention this invest.. but the one near Naha, Okinawa is... -- グリフオーザー 15:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * JTWC now mentions this invest and gives it a fair chance of it becoming a significate cyclone. -- グリフオーザー 21:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And gone. bob rulz 14:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

95W.INVEST
New Invest name replacing 93W.INVEST? -- グリフオーザー 18:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Hm... Is that Taiwan in the top right? This invest is at 19.5N 115.8E. I need to familiarize myself with more WPAC geography... -- RattleMan 18:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * ya Taiwan upper right, Philippines to the lower right. -- グリフオーザー 18:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * TCFA. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 02:12, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * hmm I don't see it.. -- グリフオーザー 02:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I do. bob rulz 04:01, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't see it anymore. I see the same TCFA for 96W now...bob rulz 04:51, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks like 96W is actually the one with the TCFA.
 * Whoops. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 14:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks like the showers are diminishing. --Core des at talk. ^_^ 01:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Gone. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 23:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

96W.INVEST
They just keep coming! This one's at 17N 135.5E. -- RattleMan 22:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

TCFA. Jake52 My talk 03:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't see it. bob rulz 04:01, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, weird. I see it now, but it's the same one I saw on 95W before and now I don't see one on 95W. The West Pacific still confuses me. bob rulz 04:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Now this one I do see. -- グリフオーザー 04:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I see it now; it looks like they put the 95W one on the wrong INVEST. It looks like this one has a TCFA and 95W doesn't. bob rulz 08:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think they are TCFA's... no TCFA alert, no time of issue, etc etc. JTWC grades 94W as a POOR, but 96W has registered nothing on JTWC. Typhoonchaser 14:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Gone. -- RattleMan 22:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

97W.INVEST
Here's another one. bob rulz 22:15, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

 * 1004 hPa low near 19N 108E, almost stationary according to JMA. -- グリフオーザー 22:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, now this Tropical Cyclone Formation Alert does include a text message from the Joint Typhoon Warning Center. -- グリフオーザー 03:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Wow, that organized fast. Just 12 hours ago it looked like a disorganized scattering of clouds, now it almost looks like a tropical depression. bob rulz 04:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

 * The HKO upgraded it into a TD. Let's see how this storm organises and develops... Typhoonchaser 12:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * JMA also shows a TD on the weather chart, and the JTWC has re-issued the TCFA. -- グリフオーザー 00:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

13W.NONAME

 * Now Noname on NRL. <IP_ADDRESS> 19:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Landfall quite a while ago, according to the JMA. Nothing much to see here. Move along, people... – Chacor 00:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Why is this in the other storms section. I thought the JMA recognized it. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 12:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * JMA only called it a 25-kt TD. Note that the other storms section says JMA-recognised TDs are listed. – Chacor 13:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 13:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Gone from NRL. -- RattleMan 14:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

98W.INVEST
New invest at 13.2N 122.3E. -- RattleMan 23:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * not on NRL listing anymore. -- グリフオーザー 02:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Back on... Let's see if this one can develop or not. Typhoonchaser 03:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Just in case someone says TCFA it isn't correct. Anyway seems NRL "tests" TCFA a lot. -- グリフオーザー 05:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

99W.INVEST
Here's another invest at 15N 156E. -- RattleMan 04:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

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90W.INVEST
Here's a new one at 15.2N 113.1E. -- RattleMan 11:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

91W.INVEST
18.5ºN 151.5ºE, looks like nothing at the moment but there is a storm cell to the northeast. -- 06:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * appears it has dissipated. -- グリフオーザー 14:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

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Science and the nonphysical

This page is a continuation of discussions that began on the Science teaching materials for creationism page.

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The paranormal and creationism
Introduction. Earlier discussion at Science and belief introduced the idea that science has problems dealing with attempts to "explain" phenomena in terms of the nonphysical. Further discussion (below, click "expand") continued with the idea that a "spiritual creation of life" is unfairly rejected as an hypothesis by scientists who exclude creationism from the domain of science. Are scientists irrational in their bias against the nonphysical or is the burden of proof on creationists to produce evidence for nonphysical processes before scientists should have to be open to their possible role in scientific explanations?

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 * ....i've seen this 10 inch circular mass of electron particles observing me saying helloJeannied30 03:46, 22 February 2009 (UTC)m03:46, 22 February 2009 (UTC)Jeannied30m

What are the practical applications of the nonphysical?
molecules in time.

New discussion group?
I think this will be a good idea under a "What is Science" project. In it we would teach what Science and the Scientific Method are, and let people present specific cases to be evaluated. By specific I mean no "creationism" but "paper X accesible in this link". The better examples, of course, would be "scientifical" papers discussing areas normally treated as "non scientific", and papers from well stablished areas of science that fail to be scientific (e.g., by not stating the exact way to repeat whatever experiments they have done). --Jorge 02:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Science beliefs under NPOV
What I hope to have evidenced in order to help this discussion's topic, is that materialist science is not able to prove the existence of anything, including its own object - matter itself - what makes it basically a matter of faith, or belief.

In fact, the worldly bivalent reasoning that came to be reduced into the foundations of logic, named "the axioms", are ultimately as self-evident, self-sustainable and self-reliable, as gods. Their devotees usualy don't bother questioning about being its essentiality perhaps nothing but mere intellectual limitation, despite being this exactly what they argument against the essentiality of some "ontological first cause" concept. Their consequent redutionist appraising lead them to also nothing but likewise ontological limitation, when they inescapably end explaining the essence of matter/energy with plain almighty abstract concepts.

Although many science advocates admit it has to be based in beliefs (like any human activity), they immediately remark them as "more probable" to be true then other's beliefs. Well, this just makes them one more group among all those others who plead the same - for what they present as the "reasons" of their probabilistic excelence, is exactly what they believe in.

So materialist scientists have full right to be in the same engagement, BUT, in a place like Wikiversity, which main distinction is a bright civilizing NPOV policy, there should exist NO winners, and NO predilections. All faithful here should have the same rights. So, as creationism is a faithful movement that WANTS to participate in the scientific work, thus ALSO making use of scientific supporting beliefs and raised methods, they have the right to do so AND to be so accepted, at least here. --Skytel 01:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Creationist teaching materials
This seems a contentious issue, which to me centres around the following points:

 * Scientists rejected the Creationist Theory for two reasons:
 * It originated in religions that offer no proof other than personal observation (all cats produce cats, all dogs: dogs, etc.).
 * Darwin proposed an Evolutionary Theory that excluded any religious sentiment by postulating mutation and natural selection.

 * Both the Evolutionary and Creationist theories confine themselves to biological life, not science in general.

 * Both theories examine the same evidence and arrive at different conclusions:
 * Where the Evolutionist sees a common ancestor, the Creationist sees a common design.
 * Where the Evolutionist sees appendages evolving through species, the Creationist sees variation in design.
 * Where the Evolutionist sees mutation and natural selection, the Creationist sees invariant reproduction.

 * The Evolution theory explains morality, faith, and truth as a consequence of evolving intelligence, while Creation theory concludes they are inherent to the design. However, Evolutionists provide no reason for these to exist in intelligence and allow they can be engineered to suit humanist goals, while Creationists conclude it is to acknowledge the Creator and should not be tampered with.

 * Both the Evolution and Creation Theory regards Life as a product of biological construction. Neither theories explain what Life is, whether it exists independently of the body, or why it is so rare in the universe.

 * Only humans question their social order, other creatures do not question their own behaviour or try to change it. This separates intelligence into three areas:
 * the natural ability to make descisions based on our five senses,
 * deciding whether an action is acceptable or not, and
 * discovering the meaning to Life.

In the discussions here, I get the sense of an unspoken objection, veiled in technical jargon. The crux is simply that the Evolution Theory was postulated to separate belief systems from scientific enquiry and that's its prime function. It must resist all other theories that suggest otherwise. So it stands or falls based on whether Life was created, not on scientific evidence, however overwhelming it is.

Assuming that Evolution actually describes our existence, then clearly we have no Creator, so our belief in one must come from Evolution itself, and since it is scientifically verifiable, it legitimises all ideas, all thoughts, all theories which ever have and ever could be entertained. There is no other possible way we can get ideas except through the evolutionary process. Therefore, there must be a scientific explanation to moral, ethical, and religious beliefs as evolutionary products, and hence, they are all scientific and worthy of study. But accepting that the Creation Theory is a product of Evolution creates a paradox for Evolution because it rejects the notion that religions have any scientific basis, while Evolution itself actually produced them.

As the following discussions reveal, people put their trust in whatever does what they promise. Physics is evidently trustworthy, and the scientific method has produced amazing techologies, so it too is trustworthy. Not much else seems to match science in delivering the goods, so it is understandable people don't want to invest their time and effort in something they perceive as less worthwhile. (PeterMG 03:01, 6 May 2007 (UTC))

 * So I'm back into the discussion... Perhaps I'll never be able to stop... Of course scientists view all the cultural products of humankind as ultimately caused by the evolution of life on Earth. Yes, Art can be studied as a science if you mean studying the brain processes that produce it. That doesn't make Art "scientific", if you use the meaning of "scientific" I use (this one). Of course you're using another meaning, so the discussion is pointless: We both agree.

 * Historians of Art do not study Physics, and nobody goes telling them to do it because Physics is worthy of study, too. And nobody says they perceive Physics as less worthy. Science is not synonim with "studying everything" nor with "worthy", and nobody's said so. It's just an area with a good reputation, that's all. Some people disregard areas out of science? Well yes, but that's not a reason to go asking scientists to focus on topics they don't grasp nor probably like.

 * You're confused, there's no paradox. I can claim without any scientific basis that I have magical powers. There's no scientific basis in the claim because I've completely made it up. But the fact that I claimed it, is indeed undeniable, and scientific if you like. If in the future we can understand the chaotic dynamics of human interaction, behavior, and creativity, maybe we could explain scientifically why and how did Tolkien produce his fictional universe. The possibility of doing it doesn't make its universe to have scientific basis. There are no elves. And there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster. Leaving the analogies, it is absurd to say science rejects the possibility of people having religions.

 * "The crux is simply that the Evolution Theory was postulated to separate belief systems from scientific enquiry and that's its prime function." <- This is false or at least arguable in some ways. The first is from Historical perspective: Galileo was there far before Darwin. Galileo (Copernico, if you prefer) did separate belief systems from scientific enquiry. The mess is with Darwin because it's more difficult to defend Geocentrism than to convince people who haven't studied the Theory that Evolution is flawed. The second is that the guy died 125 years ago, along with his contemporaries, so your statement implies there must be some secret cabal running for more than 125 years preventing people to discover Evolution has no strong scientific basis. Nonsense.

 * "Assuming that Evolution actually describes our existence, then clearly we have no Creator," <- This is false, too. What is clear is that if we have a Creator, it didn't create everything the way your (or my) particular religion's scriptures state. The problem of Science with Creationism is their statement that the Theory of Evolution is wrong, not their statement that there is a Creator. The existence or not of an ultimate Creator is outside the scope of science, as is already explained in this page. No scientific theory can prove nor disprove it.--Jorge 14:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Maybe I'm falling into technicalities, but you should know that natural selection was not postulated, but derived. Mutation was indeed postulated, by Darwin, but it's been explained by genetics and observed so many times it is no more a postulate. The biological similarities among species may have been what made Darwin think of a common ancestor, but it is by no way one of the facts in which the theory is scientifically based. As you well point, they could be explained by having a common design. Mutation and natural selection aren't conclusions of anything; they are plain facts.

 * About the reason of the existence of morality etc. in intelligent beings, the creationist explanation is reasonable, but not scientific. It could as well be false. There's no scientific explanation for its existence (as yet), but no scientist cares, because science doesn't base its claims on them explaining the whole universe, nor in them being intuitive. It bases them on the scientific method. Quantum Mechanics is the more confusing and unbelievable shit science has produced, but that doesn't change the results of the experimental data that confirm it.

 * I, as scientist, reject the Creationist Theory, and couldn't care less about whether it originated in religious circles for rejecting it. Scientists have scientific arguments to reject it. It is Creationists who reject science because its theories go against their belief, not the other way around. --Jorge 14:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

 * "About the reason of the existence of morality etc. in intelligent beings, the creationist explanation is reasonable, but not scientific. It could as well be false. There's no scientific explanation for its existence (as yet), but no scientist cares" <-- The book "Consilience" by Edward Wilson discusses the biological origins of morality. Wilson is a scientist who "cares" about such things and he makes the argument that there can easily be a scientific study of morality as a biologically-based cultural phenomenon. --JWSchmidt 16:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

 * (Only to point that I didn't mean a scientific explanation doesn't interest any scientific, but that not having one doesn't worry anybody because that's no reason to reject the other theories). Btw, good link, I hadn't heard anything about it. --Jorge 10:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the link, I had a gut feel about it, but never heard of it either. --PeterMG 16:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

 * "Yes, Art can be studied as a science if you mean studying the brain processes that produce it. That doesn't make Art "scientific"" <-- By your argument, studying the biological processes that produce Evolution does not make Evolution scientific. You seem to be arguing semantics here.

 * "You're confused, there's no paradox. I can claim without any scientific basis that I have magical powers. There's no scientific basis in the claim because I've completely made it up." <-- Perhaps my point was unclear. Evolution itself produced the idea God made humanity, while simultaneously denying it, that's the paradox.

 * "your statement implies there must be some secret cabal running for more than 125 years preventing people to discover Evolution has no strong scientific basis. Nonsense." <-- That's not what I wrote nor implied. The fact is Darwin's Evolution Theory excludes any religious sentiment and similar theories do the same today. The Scientific Method has undergone several revisions to include Evolution Theory as scientific, while simultaneously rejecting other theories that use the same body of evidence.

 * "Assuming that Evolution actually describes our existence, then clearly we have no Creator," <- This is false, too. What is clear is that if we have a Creator, it didn't create everything the way your (or my) particular religion's scriptures state. <-- Evolution asserts we humans are the consequence of mutation and natural selection, not the direct or indirect product of a Creator. To do so would admit a religious sentiment which it denies.

 * "The existence or not of an ultimate Creator is outside the scope of science, as is already explained in this page. No scientific theory can prove nor disprove it." <-- That depends on God, not on scientists. The question is, "Who is God?" You're assuming that created things do not identify the creator.

 * "It is Creationists who reject science because its theories go against their belief, not the other way around." "The problem of Science with Creationism is their statement that the Theory of Evolution is wrong" <-- This is my point that both look at the same evidence and draw different conclusions. In any case, the question is whether it passes the Scientific Method test, not what theories it contradicts.

I admit pushing the envelope by including intelligence in the Evolution Theory because AFAIK only the physical (mutation and natural selection) are taught in schools and the rest is ignored. My focus, however, was to provide a framework for contributors to work on, or flesh out, rather than engage in fruitless debate.

What I propose is that this topic provide material for both atheists and theists to study regarding Creationism in its religious context. This approach differs from Creationist propaganda because it covers the subject in more detail as a belief, rather than a science. Discussion centres around the causes of Creationist thinking as opposed to its repsonse to Evolution. The purpose is to identify the basis of Creationism, beyond, "The Bible says so here, here, and here" response. --PeterMG 16:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The causes of Creationist thinking
I have some doubts that this approach can "provide material for both atheists and theists to study" since in my experience, creationists seldom want to subject their beliefs to an objective analysis. --JWSchmidt 04:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree, which is partly why I think it should be done, although the science section may not be the best place to do it. Perhaps a project on 'Creation using the scientific method', to explore the issues might be more suitable. For example, constructing a hypothesis and testing it against known data. PeterMG 21:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I made a similar suggestion above in, but it is not clear that this is what creationists are interested in. There is a broader phenomenon of Junk science and it might be constructive to deal with that as a whole. I think most "creation science" is junk science, but I think there can be a valid form of "creation science" that is worth sketching on a Wikiversity page in Category:Science.....I just do not see that leading where the biblical creationists want to go. --JWSchmidt 22:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

 * "it is not clear that this is what creationists are interested in" <-- You are correct, wherever evolution is taught, there is where creationists want creationism taught. Since, they argue, both cover the same evidence, they should both be regarded the same. The issue is that Evolution is accepted as scientific while Creationism isn't. So, creationists want Creationism listed under science because Evolution is, and the 'scientific method' objection is just a legal loop-hole to refuse. Given the above analysis is partly true, exactly what policies could Wikiversity adopt without escalating the politics? I think it is important to establish context and then content. PeterMG 07:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I have had some significant experiences trying to teach science to creationists, not to convince them of the truth, just so that they have the knowledge, and it has never worked out well. I'd be happy to discuss it if anyone wants, but just my 2 cents.  If someone holds a "belief", it isn't likely to change.PalMD 00:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * In many cases, creationists can benefit from education about the nature of science. Maybe at What is science? we should make some learning projects that explore the historical origins of some sciences such as chemistry and astronomy. For both chemistry and astronomy there were protoscientific phases of development during which reliable scientific methods were found and pre-scientific myths were sorted from the science. --JWSchmidt 14:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Back at high school I had a Natural Sciences' teacher who once assigned us to collect the information of the colours of the eyes of our families' members, so we could check wether it was a hereditary trait or not. When we brought our data to class, he asked us to cross out all the information we hadn't seen with our proper eyes (e.g., I had phoned my uncle to ask him about his and my cousins' eyes). We were very dissatisfied with the measure, because it meant trashing half our work or more, and it meant we probably wouldn't be able to extract any conclusion. He simply told us: "This is Science, and in Science you don't trust anyone." It was a very simple lesson, and it opened many of our minds about the nature of Science and the Scientific Method. What I want to say with this is that it is not so hard to explain... to non-fanatic children at least <:) --Jorge 20:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Another good science lesson can come from popcorn. This is best done as part of teaching conservation of mass. Have people weigh some popcorn and then have them pop it. Have them weight the popped corn, and watch the fun begin. Many people are tempted to fudge their results because they believe that mass should have been conserved during cooking. They forget that corn pops because steam is made and water vapor escapes into the air. Its a good way to get people to think about paying attention to the data rather than what they believe the answer should be. --JWSchmidt 21:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

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Savannas Preserve State Park

Savannas Preserve State Park is a Florida State Park, located along much of the Atlantic Coast between Fort Pierce and Jensen Beach. Savannas Preserve also has a group of youth volunteers, the Junior Friends of Savannas Preserve State Park.

General
Savannas Preserve State Park is predominantly a savanna; open grasslands with sparse South Florida slash pine trees. The park is made up of pine flatwoods, basin marsh, scrubby flatwoods, wet prairie and the Atlantic scrub ridge. Protecting southeast Florida's largest freshwater marsh, the Savannas Preserve State Park manages over 7,000 acres. It is home to many species, most notably: the threatened Florida scrub jay and gopher tortoise, the American alligator, and the sandhill crane. The park is also the home to a rare plant that only grows in the Savannas Preserve State Park in the world, the savannas mint.

The Savannas Education Center has live exhibits, a gift shop, self-guided tour booklets, and information on many of Florida's State Parks. Interpretive guided tours and canoe/kayak trips are offered by the Friends of Savannas Preserve State Park (a nonprofit citizen's support organization).

Fishing is allowed, there is an equestrian entrance, and biking is permitted (although difficult because of the sand). The park also has nearly 13 mi of public trails from Jensen Beach Blvd to Easy Street.

This park contains nearly all of the remaining populations of the fragrant prickly-apple (Harrisia fragrans), an endangered cactus species.

The main entrance to Savannas Preserve State Park is located at 2541 SE Walton Road, Port St. Lucie, Florida 34952.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rapocalypse

The result was redirect to Lord T & Eloise. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:22, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Rapocalypse

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Not finding anything that would indicate a WP:NALBUM pass for this album. I'm not entirely sure what this is, but it's evidently not the subject of this article (predates it by three years). I'm not finding an AllMusic entry. Just about everything else I'm finding is soundcloud, bandcamp, and the like. Hog Farm Bacon 01:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
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User:ErBilibani/sandbox

Eroll Bilibani is a Film Producer and the Head of DokuLab a program department of DokuFest as of February 2019. Prior to this he was the Executive Director of DokuFest between 2012-2019, including period between 2012-2015 as the Festival Director. Eroll is currently focused on development and promotion of young filmmakers and artists while using cinema and storytelling as platforms for social change, through creative educational packages designed to inspire young people.

Eroll with his colleagues has developed methodical manuals aligned with the national curricular framework of Republic of Kosovo designed to support teachers in development of film guides for use of film in classroom. Eroll also works on the promotion of documentary cinema in rural villages of Kosovo through DokuFest’s 100% Solar Powered traveling cinema: “Cinema at Your Door”.

Eroll Bilibani has also curated the film section of the Biennale of Young Artists from Mediterranean Europe, held in May 2017 in Tirana and Durres, Albania.

Eroll is the executive producer of the 2017 BAFTA winning short film “HOME” and the producer of Short Documentary "In Between" that was Kosovo's first appearance at a competition at Berlinale 2019.

In 2014 “New Europe 100” an initiative of Google, Res Publica, Visegrad Fund and the Financial Times, enlisted Eroll amongst 100 people who have inspired change in Central and Eastern Europe.

Prior to joining DokuFest, Eroll worked for United Nations Development Programme in Iraq as Senior Visibility and Communications Management Specialist and during this time he produced several publications, including: Recovery in Action. Support to Independent Media and Convergent Regulations Improving Basic Social Services in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq

Eroll worked on first Municipal Development Agenda's in 2002 produced through UN support for municipalities in the region of Prizren and Gjilan.

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Content development projects exist on pages in "School:" or "Topic:" namespaces:
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Barbara Fugger

Barbara Fugger (née Bäsinger; 1419 – 23 July 1497) was a German businessperson and banker.

Biography
Barbara Bäsinger was born to a wealthy family in Augsburg, Germany. In 1441, she married textile merchant Jakob Fugger the Elder. She had eleven children with him before he died, including Ulrich, Georg and Jakob Fugger. She successfully managed the family business and eventually traded internationally in linen and wool. She provided money for her sons' businesses and her daughters' dowries. After the death of her spouse in 1469, she managed the Fugger bank until her death in 1497. She was assisted by her sons, but they did not gain full access until after her death.

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Field Guide/Wildflowers

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Welcome, Florida

Welcome, is an unincorporated community in southeastern Hillsborough County, Florida, United States, located a quarter mile south of Lithia-Pinecrest Road (Hillsborough County Road 640), two miles east of Pinecrest. Most of the town lies along or just to the west of Keysville Road (County Road 676). It is best known as the home of Alafia River State Park.

History
Welcome was settled near the end of the 19th century. In 1905, the town was serviced by the Seaboard Railroad Line, but service was discontinued when the lumber supply was depleted in 1916.

Education
The community of Welcome is served by Hillsborough County Schools. Students are zoned for Pinecrest Elementary, Turkey Creek Middle School and Durant High School.

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Filipino

Filipino is a language spoken by over 64 million people in the Philippines, an archipelago located in Southeast Asia. This is one of the many languages of the Malayo-Polynesian branch of the Austronesian language family, and such, it bears much similarity to the other languages of the Philippines and to a more limited extent Bahasa Indonesia and Malaysia.

Contents

 * /Background/
 * /Pronunciation/
 * /Numbers/

Related Projects

 * Southeast Asian Languages/Philippine Languages/Filipino One

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самъ

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) self

Etymology
, from.

Noun

 * 1) hearing, sense of hearing
 * 2)  ear

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User:LLuffy12

Username : LLuffy12 City     : Mumbai Country  : India Education : BSc.Computer Science Skills   : Programmer,Game Designner,Animation Interest : Anime,Football,Rubik's Cube,Manga,Games

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Enid Outlaws

The Enid Outlaws are an American professional basketball team based in Enid, Oklahoma, and a member of The Basketball League (TBL). For the 2021 season, their home games are played at Stride Bank Center in Enid.

History
On August 18, 2020, Evelyn Magley, CEO of The Basketball League (TBL), announced a new franchise called the Enid Outlaws owned by Jonathan Reed would be located in Enid, Oklahoma.The franchise will be part of a Southwest Division with the Dallas Skyline, Lewisville Leopards, and Little Rock Lightning. The team's owner has operated the Oklahoma Outlaws team that has been around for several years and a member of the semi-professional Universal Basketball Association. At a press conference at the Stride Bank Center, it was announced that Brian Jamison would serve as the team's general manager and Jonathan Reed as president.

The team named Eddie Corporal as the head coach.

The Enid Outlaws defeated the Syracuse Stallions to win the 2021 TBL National Championship. They defeated the Stallions 2-0 in the best of 3 series. Chance Comanche was named Finals MVP.

Enid previously hosted the Oklahoma Storm from 1999 to 2007 in the United States Basketball League.

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Académie Charles Cros

The Académie Charles Cros (Charles Cros Academy) is an organization located in Chézy-sur-Marne, France, that acts as an intermediary between government cultural policy makers and professionals in music and the recording industry.

The academy is composed of fifty members specializing in music criticism, sound recording, and culture. It was founded in 1947 by Roger Vincent with Armand Panigel, José Bruyr, Antoine Goléa, Franck Ténot, and Pierre Brive – critics and recording specialists - and led by musicologist Marc Pincherle. It was named in honor of Charles Cros (1842–1888), inventor and poet (friend of Arthur Rimbaud and Paul Verlaine) who was one of the pioneers of sound recording.

The academy continues to stay abreast of advances in technology, from the development of 78 RPM gramophone records to CDs, DVDs, playable torrents and all other readable, transportable music formats available today.

Awards
Each year since 1948, the Academy has given out its grand prize, the Grand Prix du Disque, to recognize outstanding achievements in recorded music and musical scholarship. Prizes are awarded in the field of popular song, classical music, jazz, and other categories of recorded music, as well as for outstanding books of musicology. Categories vary from year to year, and multiple awards are often made in one category in the same year.

Categories

 * Ancient Music
 * Baroque Music
 * Blues
 * Chamber Music
 * Choral Music
 * First Recital
 * French Song
 * Instrumental and Symphonic Music
 * Instrumental Soloist (new talent)
 * Jazz
 * Lyric Music
 * Modern Music
 * Opera
 * Recordings for Children
 * Vocal Soloist (new talent)
 * World Music

In popular culture
In 1969, Jimi Hendrix was the recipient of the Popular Music Prize in the 1969 Academie Charles Cros Awards.

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petascale

Adjective

 * 1) A metric for objects on the scale of quadrillions (1015 or 1,000,000,000,000,000) of elements. Most often used for computer systems; a petascale computer system operates at speeds measured in petaflops and has memory measured in petabytes.

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gender-neutral

Etymology
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Adjective

 * 1) Not having, indicating, or being restricted on the basis of, gender.
 * 2) Used by or intended for people of any gender; not restricted to (only one) gender; available to all genders.
 * 3) Of words, phrasing, etc.: not indicating or referring to (only one) gender.
 * 4)  In particular, in languages where words are assigned to one grammatical gender or another: lacking such an assignment.
 * 1) Of words, phrasing, etc.: not indicating or referring to (only one) gender.
 * 2)  In particular, in languages where words are assigned to one grammatical gender or another: lacking such an assignment.
 * 1)  In particular, in languages where words are assigned to one grammatical gender or another: lacking such an assignment.
 * 1)  In particular, in languages where words are assigned to one grammatical gender or another: lacking such an assignment.
 * 1)  In particular, in languages where words are assigned to one grammatical gender or another: lacking such an assignment.
 * 1)  In particular, in languages where words are assigned to one grammatical gender or another: lacking such an assignment.
 * 1)  In particular, in languages where words are assigned to one grammatical gender or another: lacking such an assignment.
 * 1)  In particular, in languages where words are assigned to one grammatical gender or another: lacking such an assignment.

Translations

 * Danish: kønsneutral
 * Dutch:
 * Esperanto: genroneŭtrala
 * Finnish:
 * French:
 * Georgian: გენდერ-ნეიტრალური
 * German: ,
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: kjønnsnøytral
 * Nynorsk: kjønnsnøytral
 * Russian:
 * Swedish:

 * Dutch:
 * Finnish:
 * French:
 * German:
 * Latin: agenus, insexus
 * Russian:

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John Donvan

John Donvan (born 1955) is a journalist, broadcaster and debate moderator whose bestselling book, In a Different Key: The Story of Autism, was a Pulitzer Prize Finalist. He serves as host of Open to Debate, a debate series dedicated to raising the level of public discourse in America.

Early life
Donvan attended Regis High School in New York City. He attended Dartmouth and Columbia University Journalism

Career
Donvan is the host of Open to Debate (which began as Intelligence Squared US), and is a forum that gathers experts to debate propositions concerning serious topics of public interest in Oxford Union-style debates which may be heard on NPR, and on Fora.TV.

Donvan is an avid storyteller, having premiered his first one-man show "Lose the Kid" in Washington, D.C. in September 2013, under the auspices of SpeakeasyDC.

Earlier, he worked as a reporter for ABC News, including stints as Moscow and London correspondent and becoming the network's chief White House correspondent in January 1997 and a regular contributor to Nightline in 1998.

In 2016, Donvan and Caren Zucker, a journalist and television news producer, co-authored In a Different Key: The Story of Autism. Issues discussed include the Refrigerator mother theory and the possibility of an autism epidemic. One autistic individual covered is Donald Triplett, the first child diagnosed with autism. Another person profiled is psychiatrist and autism pioneer Leo Kanner. The book discusses the debate over the neurodiversity movement, especially with respect to low-functioning autistics.

Awards
Donvan's broadcast work has won four Emmy Awards, several Overseas Press Club Awards, two Cine Golden Eagles, and has been honored by the National Association of Black Journalists, the Committee of 100, and the Media Action Network for Asian-Americans. As a writer, he was a named finalist for the 2017 Pulitzer Prize in general non-fiction for "In A Different Key: The Story of Autism," and also a finalist for the 2011 National Magazine Award for his profile of Donald Triplett. Both works were co-authored with Caren Zucker.

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