text:
Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2019 September 17

= September 17 =

Contempt of court...?
I have no idea where to put this, so I guess this is the best spot.

On the talk page for Talk:2019 British prorogation controversy, there is a banner on the top stating that UK editors should not act in contempt of court when editing the page. How...does this work? I thought contempt of court only applied to people...in court.

Also, what would the UK government do if one acted in contempt of court by editing a Wikipedia article? | abequinnfourteen 01:25, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * That was posted by . He needs to come here and explain what the point of that is. It sounds like an attempt at a legal threat, which is against Wikipedia rules. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:51, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I've been away for a couple of days so I missed this. The template was originally posted on the article page where I didn't feel it was appropriate so I moved it to the talk page. As I understand it the template warns UK editors not to post any information that could potentially jeopardise a criminal case, and could therefore be in contempt of court under English law. I was surprised to see it had been added to the article, but assumed good faith on the part of the person who added it, and that they'd just put it in the wrong place. Personally I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of adding it to the talk page otherwise because I wouldn't have thought it necessary to do so. This is Paul (talk) 16:10, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * As pointed out on ANI, the only information that's valid for the page (or any Wikipedia page) is publicly-known already. So the template is not appropriate. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:02, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Some fact (the name of the accused, or accuser, for example) cannot be published on the UK because of a court “gag.” Hence, UK resident editors might be in contempt of court if they edit the page to include such information. It is highly unlikely that residents elsewhere need to be concerned about this, unless it is a national security matter (in which case, jurisdiction is fluid).DOR (HK) (talk) 05:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * And supposing someone were to violate this gag order, who would the British courts go after? How could they prove a given editor really is inside the British court's jurisdiction? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:27, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Some editors use their real name, Mr. Bugs. Someguy1221 (talk) 06:38, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Their alleged real names. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:34, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * With the help of a court order, IP addresses can be used by British authorities to identify individual households . Some (many?) editors might not know how to hide their identity. Anyway, Americans can do the job of editing those bits of information that are not allowed in the UK, being protected by the first amendment. I am not sure the prorogation itself needs that banner, but I can see how it is a useful banner to exist, given that there exist many court injunctions and superinjunctions in the UK.--Lgriot (talk) 11:13, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I keep forgetting that the British don't have freedom of speech. In any case, the notion that a British court would care about Wikipedia strikes me as overly optimistic. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:26, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't be ludicrous. We have plenty of freedom of speech. Other than the US though, we actually prefer to punish hate speech (rather than reward people with the presidency for it) and we value having a fair and working legal system. To each their own I guess. Fgf10 (talk) 16:09, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * In America, gag orders usually pertain to the involved parties, not to the media. FYI, "we" did not elect the current president. That happened because of the peculiarities of the Electoral College, which our founding fathers stuck us with. (It must have seemed like a good idea at the time.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:20, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

At the risk if stating the obvious, see Contempt of court.--Shantavira|feed me 09:01, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, to interpret a reminder to obey the law as a legal threat is quite frankly ridiculous. What's next, someone saying "don't murder people" is making a legal threat? Give me a break. Shall we close this nonsensical discussion? Nothing weird going on. Fgf10 (talk)
 * If information is properly sourced, a threat to hold a Wikipedia user in contempt of court would necessarily need to target the source as well. That bogus threat should be removed from the article talk page, or at least replaced with a more mildly worded caution. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:20, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * There's nothing to stop them pursuing others as well in a case of contempt. Anyway, there's a more relevant thread at WP:ANI discussing the notice's removal, for anyone interested. As this is the reference desk I note the Law Commission has previously explicitly mentioned that editing Wikipedia can constitute contempt (p46). That document might answer some of the OP. Also in reply to the original question, it would be a matter for the courts, not the government. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:28, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * In America, the courts are part of the government. And gag orders here don't directly pertain to the media, because the government does not control the free press. Of course, if one of the parties violated the gag order, that could be a different story. But the censorship in Britain is British. It does not apply to Americans. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:56, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm honestly not aware of an instance of a judge accusing a total rando of violating a media ban during a trial. These cases, so far as I know, always involve publishers or their journalists. Someguy1221 (talk) 04:09, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, I did not expect that much input... The PDF that zzuuzz posted helps the most for me, but I live in the US, so I think that this extension of contempt to online publications is irrational... Thanks for your help. | abequinnfourteen 00:41, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The ANI discussion makes it clear that this is a non-issue. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:44, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * There was a similar case in Australia late 2018 / early 2019, when reporting of George Pell's trial was suppressed by the court. Despite the suppression order, the information became public available (more so outside of Australia), and the details included in the Wikipedia article. There was talk of charging journalists with contempt of court. Wikipedia was mentioned, but it's not clear from the news article whether there was any serious consideration charging Wikipedia editors. Wikipedia discussions: . <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 01:35, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * In NZ, when it comes to suppression orders (well mostly name suppression) there have definitely been people who aren't journalists or publishers in the classic sense e.g. bloggers and ex-MPs on social media [//www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/63291442/] [//www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11404065]. (To be fair, the blogger had a fairly significant operation so maybe isn't that far off from a traditional publisher although I think it was before it reached it's peak.) People have been generally warned about social media e.g. [//www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12174633] although mostly without prosecutions [//www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/389687/no-prosecutions-yet-despite-millane-accused-being-named-several-times]. Other examples I found of people who can't really be considered either (although one does involved talk-back radio) [//www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/385284/man-who-named-sex-assault-victim-narrowly-escapes-conviction] [//www.odt.co.nz/regions/central-otago/man-jailed-blatant-breach] [//www.tvnz.co.nz/content/tvnz/onenews/story/2013/07/17/name-suppression-breach-serious-judge.html] (more details about the other case mentioned [//www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/media-attacked-after-ryder-suppression-guilty-plea-2013042917]) [//www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12095711] [//www.newsie.co.nz/news/109181-taranaki-black-power-presidentrsquos-daughter-fined-suppression-breach.html] [//www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11957654] (judgement [//districtcourts.govt.nz/assets/unsecure/2018-08-10/94385633b9/2017-NZDC-28419-New-Zealand-Police-v-Haden.pdf]). I'm sure there are a lot more, it's not something I found easy to search especially since there's so much noise over the Death of Grace Millane case. And these cases obviously don't always get covered by media anyway. E.g. I found [//www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/taranaki-daily-news/20121124/281603827755072], this doesn't seem to be related to any of the others considering the details. It may be no charges were laid and at most someone was warned. Or maybe I just couldn't find it or it was never covered.  Outside NZ, Tommy Robinson (activist) is one example I can think of of someone who IMO can't reasonably be called a journalist. And I wouldn't call them a publisher at least in the traditional sense. I think there are some examples in Australia, although the closest I can think of is Derryn Hinch. I don't know if the George Pell case is a good example to look at given the number of Australian media charged likely means bloggers, social media etc are going to receive little attention. And someone akin to the Grace Millane case in NZ, it probably does make looking for other cases harder.  Anyway while this is not legal advice, I think the examples reflect the fact that if you actively go out of you way to knowingly breach a suppression order or intentional thumb your nose at the law, you are at risk. Especially in cases where it's either concerning a victim or an ongoing case, and in cases where it's not something already wide covered. It seems this is something that could happen on wikipedia, e.g. if you continually knowingly post a suppressed name, especially without an account and where it's something particularly known e.g. you know because you were in court or maybe you're a friend of the accused you're likely at some risk.  This probably means anyone doing so is likely to be violating our policies e.g. WP:BLP, WP:NOR, WP:RS and the info is likely to be rev deleted and you blocked if possible. But of course for most people, being charged in court tends to be a much more serious thing than simply violating wikipedia policies. While it's probably a lot less likely for someone who is not clearly violating policy, I wouldn't say it's impossible either especially if you out of your way to thumb your nose at the law, e.g. Tweet about what you're doing. (P.S. Wikipedia was mentioned here [//www.stuff.co.nz/national/4571729/Celebritys-name-suppression-breach-investigated] but not in the sense it was likely anyone would be charged although I think the implication is clear they theoretically could be if in NZ.)  Nil Einne (talk) 14:12, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

"Must is not a word to use to princes"
From the article Elizabeth I of England, regarding Elizabeth I's death:

''The Queen's health remained fair until the autumn of 1602, when a series of deaths among her friends plunged her into a severe depression. In February 1603, the death of Catherine Carey, Countess of Nottingham, the niece of her cousin and close friend Lady Knollys, came as a particular blow. In March, Elizabeth fell sick and remained in a "settled and unremovable melancholy", and sat motionless on a cushion for hours on end. When Robert Cecil told her that she must go to bed, she snapped: "Must is not a word to use to princes, little man." She died on 24 March 1603 at Richmond Palace, between two and three in the morning. A few hours later, Cecil and the council set their plans in motion and proclaimed James King of England.''

What did she mean by "Must is not a word to use to princes"? Elizabeth I was a woman and therefore could not have been a prince. Or is there something I'm not understanding about the English grammar here? J I P | Talk 11:00, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Prince is a subtle term, and significantly different from princess.
 * Macchiavelli's The Prince covers some of this. A prince is the governor of a principality – to most intents a kingdom, ruled by a monarch, except that it itself owes an allegiance to a greater kingdom or empire. But within that allegiance, a prince is thus a ruling sovereign, and subject to no other authority: certainly not a courtier with an idea of bedtime. There's a literature, like The Prince, of "mirrors for princes" which are "how to succeed in management" books of the medieval period, written by those courtiers who knew how to avoid using impolitic terms like "must".
 * A princess in contrast is a chattel. A piece of marriageable property, to be traded from her father to her husband, to seal some dynastic bargain. Largely powerless of herself, except from some accidents of fate (such as a lack of brothers). "Prince" has a secondary meaning, which wasn't being used here, as meaning a male princess. If not the direct heir to the kingdom or principality themself, or likely to become so, then they too are relegated to being marriage bargains. Albeit with usually greater status than a princess. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:28, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary explains it all, the word "prince" here is used by Liz either as in meaning #1 or meaning #2 of . Probably meaning #1 (generic term for "ruler"). --Lgriot (talk) 12:34, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Per all of the above, in general, the feminine versions of titles of nobility did not automatically confer substantive power on their holders; those titles originally (and unless otherwise clarified) implied only the daughter of or the wife of a substantive title holder, and those women did not get the rights of those titles merely because they were called "princess" or whatever. When a substantive title is to be used, it is often (not exclusively, but often enough) used in the male form for women who hold it.  Thus, Elizabeth II, in the context of the Channel Islands is the Duke of Normandy and referred to as "The Queen, our Duke" and not, notably, "Duchess".  Anne Boleyn was created the Marquess of Pembroke, and not marchioness.  This practice was not universal, but common enough that it indicates that they were thinking about the distinction between a woman who was merely the wife of a ruler vs. a woman who holds actual right to power.  -- Jayron 32 12:41, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The queen is also Lord of Mann. Alansplodge (talk) 21:53, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * On a distantly related note, I find it funny that the German word for "prince" is "Prinz", but the word for "princess" is "Prinzessin", literally "prince-ess-ess". J I P  | Talk 12:51, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * German actually has two different words that both get translated into (two different meanings of) the English word "prince". "Prinz" is a word that means prince in the sense of "a member of a royal house", while "Fürst" gets translated as prince is the sense of "a sovereign monarch".  English uses the same word for both senses.  -- Jayron 32 17:39, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

The version I learned at school was "Little man, little man, must is not a word to use to princes", but with the benefit of Google, I see this is a quote from the 1937 film Fire Over England. The actual quote appears to be: "Must is not a word to be used to princes! Little man, little man, if your late father were here he would never dare utter such a word". Looking at the [Wikiquote page it is unclear who actually recorded the quip; I thought maybe [[Francis Bacon]]'s Apophthegms, but having read the whole thing, I see that it is not. Alansplodge (talk) 19:06, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

 * has "Must! Is must a word to be addressed to princes? Little man, little man! thy father, if he had been alive, durst not have used that word", and sources it to, and noted that adds "but thou knowest I must die, and that maketh thee so presumptuous". It's worth noting that Cecil was a little man physically. His father, who would not have durst, was Burghley. DuncanHill (talk) 22:10, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks DuncanHill, but any idea where Mr Green might have taken it from? It was nearly three hundred years after the event. Alansplodge (talk) 10:16, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No - I had a quick look at both the books I mentioned last night before turning in, and neither gave a source as far as I could see. DuncanHill (talk) 10:40, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for trying. Alansplodge (talk) 17:45, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I know this is ancient, but in case you were still interested, the quotation comes from "A True Relation of what succeeded in the sickness and death of queen Elizabeth" [sic] by Lady Elizabeth Southwell (1584–1631), one of the maids of honour attending her at the time of her death. The original MS. of 1607 was transcribed in modern English in the mid-19th century and subsequently unhappily destroyed in a fire at Stonyhurst. Lady Southwell, who was a Roman Catholic, may have allowed a certain amount of prejudice creep into her account, as well as a desire to tell a striking story, as when she recounts how Elizabeth had visions of herself "her body exceeding lean, and fearful in a light of fire." Danhuser (talk) 23:50, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

You need to think differently about gendering titles. For example, see who is the current Duke of Lancaster. A Duchess, you see, is merely a woman married to a Duke. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:47, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

use of Wikipedia text for commercial gain without attribution
I want to be able to copy Wikipedia text directly into articles on my commercial YouTube website (one that is monetized by YouTube for these articles viewing, etc.), but I don't want to link any attributions to it; I want it to appear to be written by me.

May I do that? I see this done frequently, so it seems like I should be able to, but I just wanted to check first.MichaelPDugas (talk) 19:15, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No, you cannot. The material is not public domain. Please see WP:COPY  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 19:17, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Thank you for asking,, rather than just doing it. One of the purposes of Wikipedia is to make material, as far as possible, available for reuse by anybody, for any purpose, including commercial. But it is a "red line" that the creators of the material should be credited, via attribution. --ColinFine (talk) 11:46, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


text:
lithotomy

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A surgical method for removal of calculi, such as kidney stones and gallstones.

source: wikimedia

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: lithotomy


text:
Talk:Happy Together (The Turtles album)

Fair use rationale for Image:The Turtles - Happy Together.jpg
Image:The Turtles - Happy Together.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 06:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

title: Talk:Happy Together (The Turtles album)


text:
Honeymoon Hate

Honeymoon Hate is a lost 1927 American silent romantic comedy film directed by Luther Reed and written by Doris Anderson, Ethel Doherty, Herman J. Mankiewicz, George Marion Jr., and A.M. Williamson. The film stars Florence Vidor, Tullio Carminati, William Austin, Corliss Palmer, Shirley Dorman, and Effie Ellsler. The film was released on December 3, 1927, by Paramount Pictures.

Cast

 * Florence Vidor as Gail Grant
 * Tullio Carminati as Prince Dantarini
 * William Austin as Banning-Green
 * Corliss Palmer as Mrs. Fremont Gage I
 * Shirley Dorman as Mrs. Fremont Gage II
 * Effie Ellsler as Miss Molosey
 * Genaro Spagnoli as Bueno
 * Marcel Guillaume as Pietro
 * Albert Conti (uncredited)

title: Honeymoon Hate


text:
User:Chethanaradhya7/sandbox

{{Infobox sport governing body|name=All India Cricket Association for Physically Challenged|president=Karsan Ghavri|countryflag=India|url=https://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/all-india-cricket-association-for-the-physically-challenged-gets-bcci-recognition/article26704683.ece/amp/
 * prevfounded=|replaced=|sponsor=|operating income=|key staff=|womenscoach=|coach=|secretary=Saurabh Ravalia|vicepresident=Prasad Desai|headquarters=Haji Ali, Haji Ali, Mumbai, India|abbrev=AICAPC|regionyear=|region=|affdate=|aff=Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI)|founded={{Start date|1988}}|jurisdiction=National|The All India Cricket Association for Physically Challenged (AICAPC) is the apex body conducting cricket for the Disabled across India, Registered in 1988 as a non-profit organization, AICAPC is affiliated with the BCCI and promotes Disabled cricket both as a rightful pursuit and as a platform for the physical and social development of the Physically Challenged. Financial support is received from a range of public- and private-sector organizations.

title: User:Chethanaradhya7/sandbox


text:
Talk:David Howell (chess player)

Publicity
A previously unknown user, Martinlh seems intent on removing the bad publicity David Howell has suffered. I do not see any valid reason for this, as retention gives a more balanced viewpoint. No contest was ever made against the ban, which expires at the end of this year. I can't see any grounds for claiming this is libel in this instance. --ZincBelief 11:59, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

 * It doesn't seem to be beyond the realm of possibility that this is infact David Howell's father. --ZincBelief 14:06, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see evidence that this fact merits to be forever in encyclopedia for a teenager. I failed to fing any publicity discussing this ban in press. I see no specific explanation why was this ban placed. Do we log all traffic violations of celebrities in an encyclopedia? `'Míkka>t 00:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's an inaccurate comparison. More accurate would be, do we log all instances of celebrities barred from working in certain sectors due to their bad behaviour. Anchoress (talk) 01:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's cited, but I'm unable to find anything about this except the single vague mention in the meeting minutes of the Irish Chess Club. Until and unless someone can find more than this, I really would consider this non-notable.  --barneca (talk) 01:45, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You don't consider it notable that an elite competitor gets barred from competition by a club for bad behaviour? How on earth is that not notable? Just because it hasn't made the news on the internet doesn't mean it isn't notable in the chess world. Anchoress (talk) 02:04, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You don't confuse a celeb on wheels and a teenager who called someone "you fat turd" during a match because this fat turd clandestinely spit on him (not really; we don't know, but it's a punishable example, especially if the fat turd burst into tears and run off; and who was not banned from playing chess, only from taking part in Irish Chess Union events and he happily plays elsewhere). As for "notability on internet", you are free to provide notability in printed newspapers. `'Míkka>t 02:09, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. We don't know if it was any more than that, because the only source found so far is a single, vaguely-worded sentence in the meeting minutes of one lone chess organization. Since this is an article about a person, I think we set the bar for notability higher than that. --barneca (talk) 02:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Since when does an issue in an rarified field have to make the newspapers in order to be included in Wikipedia? Shawn Adams, a Canadian curler, was barred from World competition while a Junior for underage drinking. It didn't make the papers, but it's in his Wikipedia article and rightly, because it was HUGE news in the curling world (about as popular among the general population as chess), in fact so much so that he was asked about it in pretty much every interview he did for the next 15 years. Anchoress (talk) 02:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * But, in your example:
 * You know what the infraction was, and it was serious;
 * It was world competition, not the organization for one country;
 * I'll take your word for it that it was "huge" in the curling world.
 * Here, we don't know what the problem was, and I have been unable to find anything else about this incident, and he is evidently competing everywhere except Ireland. I find it hard to believe this is "huge" in the chess world if there are no other mentions of it anywhere at all online (again, that I can find), so if you don't have any sources beyond this single, vague mention, why is this notable? I'm not trying to whitewash anything, if you can find another reference that indicates this is a big deal in the chess world, I'd support inclusion.  But the sourcing here is really weak, and I think it's been established that in BLP issues, if there's weakness, you err on the side of excluding potentially damaging info.
 * I also note, to everyone, that it's supposed to be BRD, not BRDRDRDRDRD. --barneca (talk) 02:57, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies for not being more clear in my comparison. I was only addressing the issue that there was a lack of coverage (of the drinking problem with the Adams rink). I wasn't implying that the chess infraction was as serious as the Adams rink infraction, but rather that - even though yes, this was a national issue, and it was talked about on Canadian national television 15 years later - there was no print media coverage. Therefore, it can't be assumed that because there isn't print media coverage of this issue, it isn't news in the chess world, and isn't a notable element of this competitor's history. Anchoress (talk) 03:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * (e/c) To summarize my position: in it's current form, with that one, lone source, I believe this is "poorly sourced contentious material...about a living person", which, according to the first paragraph of WP:BLP, should be removed on sight. I won't edit war to remove it only because the "poorly sourced" issue isn't a 100% slam dunk, but I'd ask Anchoress to revert to the "conservative", "do no harm" (again from WP:BLP) version until consensus is specifically reached for inclusion.  Again, an independent reliable source that indicates this is a big deal in the chess world, in print or on the web, would change my mind.  Until then, the default should be removal. --barneca (talk) 03:21, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * To further confirm the position of Barneca, it is an umfortunate fact that you cannot find any coverage confirming the notability of the event, but wikipedia has strict rules Verifiability. If you cannot verify that the infraction was serious to permanently marr the person's encyclopedia entry, then it is out of the article. If chess world does not bother to provide permanent record of some of their events, it is not wikipedia's job to do this. `'Míkka>t 04:04, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

 * David Howell was banned after a post tournament altercation. It was reported in the chess media at the time - something like ChessBase I believe had some stories on it. However, it was mostly ignored by the mainstream media. I think it is fairly notable, because it is very unusual to receive a competition ban.--ZincBelief (talk) 10:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * http://www.chessbanter.com/rec-games-chess-misc-chess/15036-david-howell-knocks-out-td.html seems to show this was reported in a popular chess magazine. Perhaps we can give the issue number as an additional supporting reference. I feel this does count as bad publicity.--ZincBelief (talk) 11:06, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The Dutch version of the article details explicitly what he is claimed to have done.:)--ZincBelief (talk) 11:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

For what it is worth, I read the main chess magazines in the UK, and they didn't mention this. They did cover the Danny Gormally incident though. As far as chess incidents go, this one by Howell doesn't seem that notable. Compare it with Toiletgate, the various controversies and incidents concerning Bobby Fischer, and stories of some very senior and highly ranked chess players kicking each other under the table. There was also a punch-up by Zurab Azmaiparashvili. My view is to wait and see whether this forms part of chess history as written in a few years time. If so, it can be added back then. If not, it can stay out. Carcharoth (talk) 15:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, this may be because one player is liked while another isn't. However NewInChess did cover this story it seems. Knocking out a tournament director does seem notable to me. The Irish Chess Union certainly considered it noteable.--ZincBelief (talk) 15:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Being knocked out depends more on the person being knocked out than the force of the blow being delivered. Howell was 14 at the time, though not a small 14, I don't think. Carcharoth (talk) 16:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Confused, I don't see what relevance that has. Is it any different if he knocks out Stewart Reuben at the British Championship?--ZincBelief (talk) 16:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That would probably get more coverage! :-) Carcharoth (talk) 16:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Striking a tournament director would (omnia pares) be unconsionable, at a chess tournment; but this was a professional event, the juvenile was an International Master at the time, and the blow induced unconsciousness. Definitely notable and to sportsmen unaccustomed to any kind of rough-housing-- chessplayers-- it's relevant. If a 13 year-old supermodel punched out a photographer on the catwalk at Paris, that would be news too, even though juvenile. Hopefully an apology was published somewhere. Pete St.John (talk) 19:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

In light of the additional info provided by ZincBelief, I think I now marginally buy into the notability of the incident. I'm still a little troubled by the verifiability; instead of a vaguely worded sentence in some meeting minutes, we have a vaguely worded sentence plus a blog. However, since the article currently doesn't describe what allegedly occured, and what it does say is verifiable by the source provided, I'll say I'm still against inclusion, but no longer insistent on removal. ZincBelief, when you say "The Dutch version of the article details explicitly what he is claimed to have done", does this mean you've read the Dutch version, or that you've heard that the Dutch version does this? --barneca (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I did indeed read the dutch wikipedia article. Why you consider the official Annual General Meeting report of the Irish Chess Union to be merely "a vaguely worded sentence" I find interesting. At the moment I am trying to find the exact issue of the Dutch magazine New in Chess to reference. I like PeterStJohn, think this is a notable incident. It is quite out of character for David Howell, who is by all accounts a nice chap. However, it is noteworthy. 2 year bans by a federation are not commonplace in the normally peaceful chess world.--ZincBelief (talk) 20:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

 * If the New in Chess magazine spells out what happened, that removes my verifiability concern, although I still remain, at a gut-instinct, not-backed-up-anymore-by-policy level, uncomfortable with including it. I keep saying "vaguely worded sentence" for reasons outlined by Mikka above; if that was the only reference (as it was last night), it is too vague to determine whether the underlying event was important enough to include. I've already said I accept it as a reliable source for the pure fact of the ban, I just don't think it establishes notabilty. --barneca (talk) 20:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Publicity 2
This page appears to have undergone something of an edit war. I would like to restate my views. The ban on David Howell is not contentious, and was reported in a chess magazine as well as in the AGM. A 2 year ban on a Chess player by a national chess union is very unusual in chess, it is what we would call noteworthy. Nobody would suggest David Howell is a hooligan, and the sentence is not worded to suggest such. However this is a bit of trivia that is at least as interesting as him having appeared on a UK breakfast tv show for 3 minutes. I would like to retain this fact in the article. It shows David Howell is human. I would reinstate the sentence, but I will wait for some comments first. Would anyone support an alternative wording for instance?--ZincBelief (talk) 10:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Another bulletin board reference www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=72709 can we find some saying what a nice guy David Howell is and include those to balance this out?--ZincBelief (talk) 11:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * How about this one? Carcharoth (talk) 11:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Doesn't really say what a nice guy he is, does it?--ZincBelief (talk) 11:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's more the family pics and the "likes" bit at the end. But really, Wikipedia articles shouldn't be about whether someone is a nice guy or not. The original edit called the incident "bad publicity", which is putting spin on it. The neutral way to put it is to just report the incident and the ban, and not say whether it is good or bad or an uncharacteristic lapse or not. That can only be done if an independent source says that. Carcharoth (talk) 11:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I did put in a version that just said flatly that David Howell was banned, however that got deleted too. I am just fishing around to see if people can agree on a comprimise over the presentation of this fact. I would be happy with David Howell received a temporary ban from competition in Ireland after issues with his behaviour.--ZincBelief (talk) 11:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That a bit weaselly though. If you mention the ban, you should say how long it is. If you know why he was banned, you should say that as well. A compromise in this case would involve vague wording, which is not helpful. It leaves people's imaginations to run riot. I still think it is best to avoid mentioning it, and mention it only if another incident occurs and gets wide coverage, at which point the media would pick up on the earlier incident as well. The point here is that Wikipedia, due to its widespread reach, makes things more notable if it covers them, than if the incident had remained as a few mentions on a few chess news sites, blogs and messageboards, plus the formal mention in the minutes of that meeting. Carcharoth (talk) 12:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well Wikipedia is an encylopedia, it is supposed to record such details, if it makes them more widely known as a consequence that is only a side effect. I don't like that the article mentions he plays in Ireland, but omits to mention he got banned from playing again as he knocked out the tournament director. I don't see why he should have to get banned from another country before this is included in the article. So, how about David Howell received a two year ban from competition in Ireland after issues with his behaviour--ZincBelief (talk) 12:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "issues with his behaviour" is still a weaselly phrase, and It could mean almost anything. Better to either say nothing or state clearly what happened. Or quote the Irish Chess Union: "Regarding disciplinary action, as a result of inappropriate behaviour by IM David Howell at the Cork event, the ICU Committee have banned him from any ICU run events, and will recommend a ban on him by other tournament controllers, until the end of 2007." They call it inappropriate behaviour. We shouldn't then turn that into "issues with his behaviour". But please let's keep it off the page until we have decided the best wording. I suggest the following: "Following an incident at the European Chess Union Championships held in Cork in March 2005, the Committee of the Irish Chess Union banned Howell from any ICU-run events until the end of 2007." And then quote the ICU in full in the footnoted reference. Carcharoth (talk) 14:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Between this and the New in Chess article I think using the phrase issues with his behaviour is appropriate, if other people are happy with your choice of wording I guess that is fine with me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZincBelief (talk • contribs) 18:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

More information
Please see User talk:Martinlh for details. Following the concerns raised there, I agree that the incident should not be mentioned in the article, at least not until things are a lot clearer. Carcharoth (talk) 15:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree, now that Martinlh has kindly answered us all.--ZincBelief (talk) 19:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

subjective claims
This article has been tagged as having subjective promotion of the subject without real information. I don't see any subjective claims but there are some claims that need to have references/sources. Bubba73 (talk), 14:41, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:David Pritchard (chess player) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 20:47, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

title: Talk:David Howell (chess player)


text:
Using an Abacus

Mankind has used abacuses, of one kind or another, since the dawn of civilizations to meet their calculation and accounting needs. The modern version of the Eastern abacus, originated in China, is still used nowadays around the world to help children improve their numerical skills. This book is a guide to the use of this modern abacus. After studying it, the reader will know:
 * What is an abacus in a general sense.
 * What are the special characteristics of the eastern abacus.
 * How to use it effectively to perform the four basic arithmetic operations.

Table of contents

 * Basic concepts
 * Close-up of the eastern abacus
 * Addition and subtraction
 * Modern multiplication
 * Modern division

Possible extension of the book
This book, as an elementary guide to the use of the eastern abacus, can be considered complete since it teaches how to perform the four elementary arithmetic operations, but obviously it can be expanded in many ways, for example by adding chapters on:

 * Negative numbers
 * Special multiplication methods
 * Special division methods
 * Roots
 * etc.

Alternatively, it could be continued in a second book on advanced modern abacus methods.

Print version
Print version (In preparation)

Obsolete pages (stubs)
The following pages have been around for over a decade without any actual content and have now been superseded by the previous ones. They should be marked for deletion.

 * Introduction
 * Basics
 * Addition
 * Subtraction
 * Multiplication
 * Exercises
 * Division
 * Exercises
 * Negative Numbers

title: Using an Abacus


text:
User:Meghanaskinner/sandbox

My edits are underlined and italicized

Main article: Relational transgression

Conceptualizing forgiveness[edit]
Waldron and Kelly (2008) tell us that the process of forgiveness starts when a relational partner commits a transgression or harmful act. Transgressors may attempt to communicate with the victim to seek forgiveness through explicit or indirect requests Individuals tend to experience a wide array of complex emotions following a relational transgression. These emotions are shown to have utility as an initial coping mechanism. For example, fear can result in a protective orientation following a serious transgression; sadness results in contemplation and reflection  while disgust causes us to repel from its source. However, beyond the initial situation these emotions can be detrimental to one's mental and physical state. Consequently, forgiveness is viewed as a more productive means of dealing with the transgression along with engaging the one who committed the transgression.

Forgiving is not the act of excusing or condoning. Rather, it is the process whereby negative emotions are transformed into positive emotions for the purpose of bringing emotional normalcy to a relationship. In order to achieve this transformation the offended must forgo retribution and claims for retribution. McCullough, Worthington, and Rachal (1997) defined forgiveness as a, “set of motivational changes whereby one becomes (a) decreasingly motivated to retaliate against an offending relationship partner, (b) decreasingly motivated to maintain estrangement from the offender, and (c) increasingly motivated by conciliation and goodwill for the offender, despite the offender’s hurtful actions”. In essence, relational partners choose constructive behaviors that show an emotional commitment and willingness to sacrifice in order to achieve a state of forgiveness.

Pseudo-Forgiveness

''Sheldon and Antony (2019) speak on "pseudo-forgiveness," or a type of conditional forgiveness strategy that acknowledges a transgression, but does not entirely resolve it. For instance, married partners might acknowledge the presence of an extramarital affair, but not seek counseling, divorce, or other solutions. Instead, partners often reach a mutual decision to suppress or ignore the transgression. Partners, especially married ones, tend to want to "move on" and "never speak of it again." This strategy is more of a defense mechanism, rather than a forgiveness method. No actual forgiveness occurs and this method can be as harmful to the relationship as the original transgression.''

Forgiveness and benefits for relationships
'' Forgiveness is beneficial not only to the offender, but to the victim as well. Forgiveness can allow for a release of stress, anger, bitterness, and an increase in individual well-being. Forgiveness allows the victim to openly speak to the offender about how the transgression hurt or affected them and allows them to take part in the response to the transgression. Forgiveness can be linked to positive relationships affects after a partner's transgressions, such as improved communication, increased relational effort, and better conflict resolution, though it can still be difficult to forgive a partner. Some transgressions affect the victim more than others and it may be difficult to speak to the offender, much less offer and grant forgiveness. ''

'' Some factors affect the likelihood of forgiveness. Higher satisfaction, commitment, and investment in the relationship often results in a higher likelihood of forgiveness and more constructive forgiving communication. Many different factors affect how people understand and handle forgiveness. These can be: relational commitment, religion, and the severity of the transgressions. ''

Communicating Forgiveness
''After conceptualizing forgiveness, partners must learn how to communicate it. Interpersonal communication should play a large role in the forgiveness process and is integral to relationship repair . There are many ways that forgiveness can manifest in relationships after a transgression.''

Scholars have identified multiple types of forgiveness:

 * 1) Intellectual/emotional
 * 2) Conditional
 * 3)  Unilateral/bilateral

Waldron and Kelly (2008) defined at least six communication processes that help to bring about forgiveness :

 * 1) Revealing and discovering transgressions, or the moment when one partner realizes that the other has committed a transgression. This might be the moment one partner discovers texts or artifacts signaling an affair or one partner admitting their transgressions.
 * 2) Communicating emotions, or sharing how the transgression affected you and made you feel. A partner might communicate that the transgression made them feel angry, upset, or any range of emotions. This signals to the offender that their actions and transgression have affected their partner.
 * 3) Sense-making, or developing an understanding of the transgression and navigating the affects of it.
 * 4) Seeking forgiveness, or the offender looking to the victim to grant forgiveness.
 * 5) Granting forgiveness, or the victim granting the offender forgiveness.
 * 6)  Negotiating the relationship, or determining how to move forward in the relationship after the transgression. For minor transgressions, these processes can be moved through rather quickly. For more major transgressions, such as affairs, this process can be long and drawn out. Negotiating the relationship can look like many things, such as a conversation, a break up, divorce, etc.

There are also five strategies that couples use to forgive each other:

 * 1) Nonverbal display, or individual nonverbal acts such as a hug or kiss.
 * 2) Conditional, or forgiveness granted with certain stipulations, such as an agreement to end the behavior causing the transgression, or behaviors that "make-up" for the transgression.
 * 3) Minimizing, or undermining the perceived severity of the transgression, which allows the victim to move on more quickly and not deal with the affects of the transgression.
 * 4) Discussion, or dialogue between partners, which allows for a mutual understanding of what happened. why it happened, and how it affected both the offender and victim.
 * 5) Explicit, or a straightforward "I forgive you," often coupled with other strategies.

'' If granted, forgiveness has the ability to either strengthen, normalize, or weaken the relationship. ''

title: User:Meghanaskinner/sandbox


text:
Dora Corty-Mönkemeyer

Dora Corty-Mönkemeyer (27 April 1890 – 17 February 1970) was a German painter. Her work was part of the painting event in the art competition at the 1936 Summer Olympics.

Works
One of her most important works is the poster for the 2nd German Art Exhibition in Dresden in 1949, which shows a stylized dove of peace. When the 1st prize competition for the best German poster was held in the Federal Republic of Germany in 1950, Mönkemeyer-Corty's poster was the only East German poster to be selected by the jury.

Designed between 1910 and 1914, the poster for wire mesh by the Dresden-based company Louis Hermann is now part of the collection of the German Historical Museum with the inventory number P 57/605.

title: Dora Corty-Mönkemeyer


text:
Template talk:Discussion subpage

Under development at User:JWSchmidt/Blog/16 May 2007. --JWSchmidt 03:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

title: Template talk:Discussion subpage


text:
Talk:Nakayama Miki

Meaning of Tenri
Which source states that "Tenri" is "Divine King of Heavenly [Ten] Reason [Ri]"? Also check tengri for the name of god found in many Asian languages.

A quote from the Tenri-O-no-Mikoto article; Tenri-O-no-Mikoto is a 'name-label' in much the same way as is used for company names, or a brand names for products. Any attempt at a direct translation might mislead the translator. Sometimes this has been translated as "Lord of Divine Wisdom", in order to clarify the concept to westerners, though it tends to remain untranslated in English texts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Citations Needed
For the following: "Some interpretations of her life and teaching suggest that, rather than having any divine inspiration, she took inspiration from an amalgam of Buddhism, Shinto and Japanese shamanism to create a religion that could satisfy the emotional needs of a 40-year-old Japanese woman in a troubled marriage. Hence she stated that God had the ungendered name "God the Parent", pronounced gender equality, and celebrated childbirth. It has been pointed out her lifestyle was like that of the Buddhist nun she had once wanted to become. Tenrikyo, however, insists that her teachings were totally original and her thinking uniquely inspired." —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 19:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I was relatively new to Wikipedia when I started this so feel free to take that part out if you want.--T. Anthony (talk) 04:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

"was forced into a difficult marriage to Nakayama Zembei which she bore with what followers of Tenrikyo regard as admirable patience and virtue." I've never heard that Miki was "forced" into a "difficult" marriage. I'd like to see citation on this. --Lewdev (talk) 01:37, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Weasel words
"Some interpretations of her life and teaching suggest that" "Hence she stated that God had the ungendered name" "Tenrikyo, however, insists that" —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 19:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

 * More: "Tenrikyo is, arguably, the largest current religion to have a woman founder." sounds like an indiscriminate boast, since Tenrikyo is not quite large. It's not important, there are "prophetesses" and similar charismatic females who founded this and that christian sect, who are considerably larger than Tenrikyo. What might be important, for the characteristic of the religion itself, is that the foundress was female. Rursus dixit. ( m bork3 !) 14:49, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:Nakayama Miki


text:
Gymnastics at the 2017 SEA Games – Women's artistic team all-around

The women's artistic team competition at the 2017 SEA Games was held on 21 August 2017 at the Hall 10, Level 3, Malaysian International Trade & Exhibition Centre (MITEC) in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

The team competition also served as qualification for the event finals.

Schedule
All times are Malaysia Standard Time (UTC+8).

Results

 * Source: Results - Women's artistic team


text:
Weinfelden District

Weinfelden District is one of the five districts of the canton of Thurgau, Switzerland. It has a population of (as of ). Its capital is the town of Weinfelden.

The district contains the following municipalities:

title: Weinfelden District


text:
Talk:Clover (toy company)

Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for deletion
The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for deletion: Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 23:15, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Gundam 80mm series.jpg
 * Gundam Variation Gattai.jpg

title: Talk:Clover (toy company)


text:
oranger

Etymology 1
From.

Noun

 * 1) orange tree

Etymology 2
From.

Verb

 * 1) to make orange in color

title: oranger


text:
Conart

No, not the doings of con artists.

Art has long been a way for humans to express themselves. Why not have your conpeople make their own ConArt as well?

Remember:
 * There is a definite connection between religion and art. Keep this in mind when creating your own personal ConArt.

Table of Contents

 * /Music/
 * /Calligraphy/ or Manuscript Illumination
 * /Drawings and Paintings/
 * Literature
 * /Performing Art/ or acting, dancing, martial arts, etc.

title: Conart


text:
Talk:Anthony Giddens/Archive 1

Failed GA
Here's my reasoning: It certainly has a lot of information, though. It's well on its way. Just needs a bit more time and TLC. —BorgHunter ubx (talk) 16:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There is only one picture of him, and it is fair use, not GFDL.
 * Possibly too long, consider condensing.
 * Could use a thorough copyedit by a third person familiar with this topic (I'm not), as much of this article has been written by one person.
 * Select Bibliography may be too long, and needs ISBNs.
 * Too many redlinks.
 * Tnx. Picture is a though one: I cannot find any copyleft ones with him on it. I'll try to address the others before PR.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:27, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Update: can't find another image, can't get copyleft license for it. Can't find anybody else to work on it. ISBNs are optional. I did what I could during the PR/FAC rounds, including dealing with redlinks: do you think it passes the GA criteria now?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 03:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
As a start, I've tried to clean up part of the Modernity section, but are having problems with some of the content. Aside from my reservations that this kind of jargon-orientated account is suitable for a general encyclopedia, I'm not sure what the original writer is trying to say, as some of the content seem contradictory and odd. Giddens may have written about these things (I don't recall enough of his work to be definite), I don't think most of these problems stem from his actual writings.

It is stated (this version includes some minor word tweaking by myself, but the original sense remains intact) for instance: ''Humanity tries to steer [the juggernaut of modernity], but as long as the modern institutions, with all their uncertainty, endure, we will never be able to influence its course. The uncertainty can however be managed, by 'reembedding' the expert-systems into the structures which we are accustomed to.''. This statement has a number of problems - how are modern institutions separable from modernity? Have modern institutions really had little or no influence over managing the course of modern social transformations? The solution of rembedding the expert systems into familiar structures... does this mean that modern structures are unfamiliar to us? i.e. we find modern offices, hospitals, banks, supermarkets, factories, police stations alienating?

Then there's the apparent reference to the US TV chat show celebrity, Oprah Winfrey (I assume that's what the original "Oprah" was referring to - if not, what does it refer to?) uses expert (computer?... this is what "expert system" usually refers to) systems to guide people while being perceived as an ordinary woman. But Oprah isn't perceived as an ordinary woman (she's a major celebrity and the wealthiest African-American woman, I believe) and how does she use expert (computer?) systems to help people as if she was a doctor? I'm not sure how this explains how uncertainty is managed... as apparently the expert systems of modern institutions are still relied on?

Then there's the line about how the enhanced reflexivity of modern institutions needs explanation, and explains it by saying that language has become increasing abstract and institutionalized into universities - so the reflexivity of modern institutions is due to the institutionalized abstraction of language into universities (themselves being modernized institutions too)? Then the section launches into a discussion of double hermeneutica which describes a concept which is attributed to Giddens, but doesn't sound particularly original. I'm not sure where this explanation is going.

As for the block of text immediately following this, I already discussed this above in an earlier comment. I'll try to look at the rest of the article more later. Bwithh 20:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

More edits needed...
I deleted the following, from the end of the first paragraph:

"It is not clear, however, that his theories have had any beneficial impact on social research. His theories have been criticised as being empty conceptual schemes lacking any empirical implications."

This is a strange point and just not true. Giddens has clearly had a significant impact on social research. The comment is subjective and rather silly, so i got rid of it.

Davidgauntlett 16:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed that this article says:

Giddens writes in Modernity and Self-Identity that: "The importance of the media in propagating many modern lifestyles should be obvious. [...] The range of lifestyles - or lifestyle ideals - offered by the media may be limited, but at the same time it is usually broader than those we would expect to just 'bump into' in everyday life. So the media in modernity offers possibilities and celebrates diversity, but also offers narrow interpretations of certain roles or lifestyles - depending where you look.".[4]

... but this quote is not from Giddens; in fact it is from my own book, 'Media, Gender and Identity' (David Gauntlett, 2002) - page 104.

So this obviously needs to be fixed, but i don't want be the person adding references to myself in this article. But it would be great if somebody could do some work on this article please...

Davidgauntlett 16:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

David, thank you for the comments; any others would be greatly appreciated, and don't hesistate to add refs to your publications to the article: you are a respected scholar and the fact that you wrote about the subject should make it more, not less, welcome, to see you contribute to the article on it.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 21:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

upper lower middle-class
"grew up in an upper lower middle-class family"

Is there such a thing as "upper lower middle-class"? I would tend to think of lower middle-class or upper middle-class or just middle-class, but upper lower class sounds to me like an oxymoron... Zigzig20s 01:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Questions
I am expanding this stub, but there are few things in his writings I don't understand. Namely: --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) If there are "no universal stages, or periodization, of social development" than how can he differentiate between pre-modern/modern/late modern societies at all?
 * 2) His concept of importance of 'time-space' in the structurization theory still eludes me.
 * In answer to question 2, this quote may be of some help: "but social practices ordered across space and time". Giddens argues that "society has a form, and that form has effects on people, in so far as structure is produced and reproduced in what people do." thus soical practices ordered across space and time are not homogenous, it therefore shows how structures, dirived from social action, are specific to their locale. Britain in the 19th century had a geographical space and social practices and action were carried out in terms of sturcture. However, Britain in the 21st century has a completely different geographical space and thus the nature of time and space change as does action and structure; this relates to the duality of structure and agency transformation. (Daniel R. Smith, 2007) — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 21:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Missing citation
If i am not mistaken, the missing citation on teacher and student and MC2, is from the following sourse:

Banks, S. P., & Riley, P. (1993). Strucuration theory as an onthology for communication research. Communication Yearbook, 16, 167-196.

I do not have enough wiki experience to mess up with the article itself, so i will leave it to the more experienced people to edit the actual post. Thanks! Dima — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 23:28, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Degree dates- correct?
The article currently states that Giddens gained his undergraduate degree from Hull in 1959, started teaching at Leicester in 1961, was appointed to Cambridge in 1969, but didn't get his Phd until 1974. Fifteen years between a BA and a Phd? Really?? I mean, it's perfectly possible, but it doesn't quite sound right to me. Where are the references? As there are none, I will remove '1974' and simply have it state that he gained his Phd at Cambridge "later". --Tomsega (talk) 17:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Significant changes made to the Structuration theory page
Hello, all! My name is MJ. I have recently made significant, large-scale changes to the Structuration theory page, and I was hoping to generate some feedback and discussion over on the Talk page from those who are interested in Giddens and his work. I have significantly expanded the scale of the historical and explanatory sections of the page, and introduced sections on methodology, criticism, and additions to the theory. Since Giddens and structuration theory are so linked, your feedback is critical! I would very much appreciate feedback either on the Structuration Talk page or on my own Talk page. Thank you! Mjscheer (talk) 20:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Giddens, Anthony (1985) A Contemporary Critique of Historical Materialism
In the introduction to ''A Contemporary Critique of Historical Materialism. Vol. 2. The Nation State and Violence'' tells the readers that this the the second volume of three about historical materialism. Volume 1 was released in 1981, volume 2 in 1985. Has the third volume been released yet?? --Oddeivind (talk) 14:45, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Taken from the preface of Beyond Left and Right: The Future of Radical Politics: "This book began life some fifteen years ago, as the planned third volume of what I then termed a 'contemporary critique of historical materialism'. That third volume was never written, as my interests moved away in somewhat different directions. The present work is based on the ideas I sketched for the third volume, but also draws extensively on concepts I developed in subsequent published writings". --<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 13:58, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 one external links on Anthony Giddens. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added tag to http://old.lse.ac.uk/collections/meetthedirector.20031001/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120418062306/http://www.policy-network.net/content/350/socialdemocracyobservatory to http://www.policy-network.net/content/350/socialdemocracyobservatory
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20131203010815/http://www.quotationsdiary.com/authors/?qa=anthony-giddens-quotes to http://www.quotationsdiary.com/authors/?qa=anthony-giddens-quotes

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 09:27, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

title: Talk:Anthony Giddens/Archive 1


text:
Christian Riedel

Christian Riedel (31 January 1804, Luptin – 30 September 1882, Zittau) was a German politician active in the Kingdom of Saxony where he led the left liberals of the German Progress Party in the 1867 Reichstag elections. He was known as "Old Riedel". He was elected for the Zittau Reichstag constituency in the February and August elections of 1867. In 1873 he was elected to the Landtag of the Kingdom of Saxony.

Riedel was a landowner and a farmer. He was self-taught and became politically active during the 1848 Revolution.

title: Christian Riedel


text:
Katy Selverstone

Katy Selverstone (born in New York City) is an American actress. She is primarily known for her work on The Drew Carey Show as Lisa Robbins, Drew Carey's girlfriend in the first and second seasons.

Life and career
Selverstone was born in New York City, New York, on February 4, 1966. She attended Scranton Central High School (Scranton, Pennsylvania) and Carnegie Mellon University and earned a BFA in acting.

Selverstone has worked on such high-profile television series as NYPD Blue, CSI and As The World Turns and has appeared in the films Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood and South of Pico. She portrayed FBI agent Nancy Floyd in The Path to 9/11. She received the Grand Jury choice for Best Actress in a Feature for her role as "Una" in Laura Nix's film short The Politics of Fur.

Her other work includes playing Darlene, the receptionist at Gramercy Press, a fictional publishing company used in Network MCI commercials in 1994 and 1995. Selverstone also appeared on The L Word, Nip/Tuck and Seinfeld in the episode "The Face Painter" as Siena, George Costanza's girlfriend. Her character becomes George's fiancée in a deleted scene from "The Face Painter".

In 2000, Selverstone appeared on Broadway in Arthur Miller's play The Ride Down Mt. Morgan with actor Patrick Stewart for which she received a Fany award for Outstanding Broadway Debut.

She has been noted for looking very similar to Jodie Foster.

title: Katy Selverstone


text:
schijn

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A shine, glimmering
 * 2) An appearance, semblance, especially when misleading
 * 3) A cast (visual appearance)
 * 4)  A small quantity/sum, a bit, pittance
 * 1)  A small quantity/sum, a bit, pittance

title: schijn


text:
Andreyevka, Slavgorod, Altai Krai

Andreyevka (Андреевка) is a rural locality (a selo) in Slavgorod, Altai Krai, Russia. The population was 87 as of 2013. There is 1 street.

title: Andreyevka, Slavgorod, Altai Krai


text:
Talk:Oz Karahan

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion: You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 08:52, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Ozkarahan.jpg

title: Talk:Oz Karahan


text:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/E-122 Gemerl

The result of the debate was redirect. Johnleemk | Talk 15:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

E-122 Gemerl
Article for "Gemerl" already exists--"E-122" is an unofficial "fanon" name. The information contained herein is inconsequential. --Matt S. 19:46, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Redirect and merge any useful info. --Midnighttonight 01:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article should be deleted, and the term "E-122 Gemerl" should redirect to the Gemerl page. --Shadoman, 22 March 2006


text:
almanakk

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) almanac, calendar

Etymology
From, , , from.

Noun

 * 1) a calendar containing information about basic astronomy, red-letter days etc.

title: almanakk


text:
Sumathi Best Teledrama Art Director Award

The Sumathi Best Teledrama Art Director Award is presented annually in Sri Lanka by the Sumathi Group of Companies for the best Sri Lankan art director in television.

The award was first given in 1995. Following is a list of the winners since then.


text:
Talk:Don Simmons (artist)

> Simmons will create situations for 'false' emotional states to occur in the audience, in turn questioning the reality of simulated emotions.

Untitled
Huh? What kind of academic gibberish is this? And why not describe it in plain understandable language? If it were done well, perhaps it could be understandable to those who may reject his premises entirely, yet encounter his art, as well as being understandable to fellow-travelers.

And in terms of the biochemistry of emotions, how does one distinguish a "false" emotion from a "real" one anyways?

And at any rate, the entire description is lifted word-for-word from Don Simmons' own MySpace page - hardly an objective evaluation of his activity in the art world, to say the least. But a quick scroll through it gives one a much better idea of what he does artistically and who it appeals to.

If Wikipedia's description of his art is done well, people from most any culture that can access Wikipedia ought to be able to figure out what he does in the physical world - totally apart from his theories and opinions. i.e. a conservative Muslim in Bali ought to be able to learn from the description enough to separate Simmons' art from that of a different artist who uses similar styles and techniques. And there's no reason whatsoever that they should have to study or experience "transgressive" art in order to find this out.

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 1 one external link on Don Simmons (artist). Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20061005154256/http://www.acad.ab.ca/faculty_profiles.html?page=19&action=details&p=1E047A8E-802F-1011-7F227A8BF4A63F79 to http://www.acad.ab.ca/faculty_profiles.html?page=19&action=details&p=1E047A8E-802F-1011-7F227A8BF4A63F79

Cheers.—cyberbot II  Talk to my owner :Online 21:47, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 one external links on Don Simmons (artist). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070822191820/http://www.truck.ca/Archives/simmons.html to http://www.truck.ca/Archives/simmons.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071009032924/http://easternedge.ca/2003-02.php to http://easternedge.ca/2003-02.php
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060227084820/http://www.thenewgallery.org:80/artsbirthday.htm to http://www.thenewgallery.org/artsbirthday.htm

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 09:34, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

title: Talk:Don Simmons (artist)


text:
nonfading

Adjective

 * 1) Not fading.
 * 2) Of clothing, resistant to losing color.
 * 1) Of clothing, resistant to losing color.

title: nonfading


text:
Talk:Đơn Dương (actor)

Need Vietnamese name
Need Vietnamese name (with diacritics). Badagnani 23:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. Badagnani 00:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Surname
Which is his surname? Badagnani 05:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Two-syllable names are most likely stage names. Often, a person's stage name is the last two syllables of his or her full name. DHN 05:53, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I figured it could be the case, from working on Việt Linh. Can you figure out his birth name by Googling in Vietnamese? You have a 60% chance that he is a Nguyen, though he might be a Bui too (since he's apparently an uncle of Tony, Timothy, and Zoe). Badagnani 05:58, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Does the first hit in this search explain anything? Badagnani 06:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

POV
I rewrite somes phrases because they are clearly POV. He has just been banned in Vietnam, no one threaten him to dead, it's ridiculous! -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinataba (talk • contribs)

title: Talk:Đơn Dương (actor)


text:
User:Lakshmeesha K/sandbox

Lakshmeesha K.who has working as a assistant Manager in KSRTC .Born on 23-05-1991 in Bangalore. Studied primary school in hassan SRI GAYATHRI SEVA MANDIRA udayagiri hassan. Studied high school in Sri ARAVINDA HIGH SCHOOL kuvempunagar hassan. Studied diploma in computer science and engineering in SRI BAHUBALI POLYTECHNIC SHRAVANABELAGOLA FROM 2009 TO 2012 Studied BE IN MALNAD COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING HASSAN.

title: User:Lakshmeesha K/sandbox


text:
1889–90 in Scottish football

The 1889–90 season was the 17th season of competitive football in Scotland.

title: 1889–90 in Scottish football


text:
Sony Pictures Television Nonfiction

Sony Pictures Television – Nonfiction (formerly known as CKX, Inc., CORE Media Group, Inc. and Industrial Media, LLC) is an American company founded on February 7, 2005, that owns and develops unscripted entertainment content and intellectual property. It is a division of Sony Pictures Television.

Sports Entertainment Enterprises, Inc. era
Before its founding in 2005, and during a period from 1986 to August 2002, the company operated a franchise of golf equipment, formerly known as Sports Entertainment Enterprises. In August 2002 the company sold all of its former assets. From September 2002 to February 2005, the company's main priority was to pursue a transaction with a business enterprise.

On March 25, 2005, Sports Entertainment Enterprises, Inc. d/b/a CKX, Inc.'s shareholders voted overwhelmingly to change the company's name to CKX, Inc., to change the company's state of incorporation from Colorado to Delaware, and to increase the number of the company's authorized shares of capital stock from 105,000,000 to 275,000,000. The company's common stock would continue to trade under the stock symbol CKXE.

CKX, Inc. era
In 2005, it bought British company 19 Entertainment from Simon Fuller, who subsequently joined the company's board. With the purchase, the company acquired a majority share of the rights to the Idol series, including American Idol and So You Think You Can Dance, as well as Pop Idol in Great Britain and numerous other international versions. Later that year it bought an entertainment agency, with artists on its roster such as Robin Williams, Billy Crystal, and Woody Allen.

On February 7, 2005, the company bought 85% interest in the entities which own and/or control the commercial utilization of the name, image, and likeness of Elvis Presley, the operation of the Graceland museum and related attractions, as well as revenue derived from Elvis Presley's television specials, films, and certain of his recorded musical works, from the trust of Lisa Marie Presley.

On April 11, 2006, CKX, Inc. announced it has acquired an 80% interest in the name and likeness of Muhammad Ali. The transaction included the rights to the name, image, and likeness of Mr. Ali, certain trademarks owned by Mr. Ali and his affiliates, and the rights to all existing Ali license agreements. Mr. Ali, through affiliates, would retain a 20% interest in the business, which will be operated through a newly formed company named G.O.A.T. LLC.

On March 7, 2007, CKX, Inc. announced its subsidiary, Muhammad Ali Enterprises LLC, acquired approximately 11,000 photographs of boxer Muhammad Ali from photographer Ken Regan. The images would be immediately available for licensing and editorial purposes.

On June 1, 2007, CKX, Inc. announced it entered into a series of transactions that would result in the sale of the Company at a price of $13.75 per share in cash and the distribution to CKX stockholders of shares in FX Luxury Realty, LLC, an affiliate of Robert F.X. Sillerman. The total value for the takeover bid between Fuller and Sillerman would value the company at $1.3bn, but their attempt failed due to its timing coinciding with the start of the Global Credit Crunch.

On May 7, 2010, CKX, Inc. announced Robert F.X. Sillerman had resigned as chairman and chief executive officer of the company and from the company's board, effective immediately. Still holding 21% of the shares, he began working with One Equity Partners on a $550m-$560m takeover bid. In May, Fuller teamed up with former Barclays Capital executive Roger Jenkins, creating a $1Bn fund. They propose as their first purchase CKX, at a bid level of $600m. On the current share price, CKX is valued at $395m, with $101m of debt and $55m of cash at the end of first quarter 2010. However, in 2010-10-27, CKX, Inc. announced it was no longer discussing a potential sale of the company or of a controlling stake in the company.

On May 10, 2011, CKX, Inc. it has entered into a definitive merger agreement to be acquired by an affiliate of Apollo Global Management ("Apollo"). The company was to be sold in $5.50 per Common Share, for total $560 million. In 2011-06-16, CKX Entertainment Offeror, LLC (f/k/a Colonel Offeror Sub, LLC) ("Offeror") and CKX, Inc. ("CKX") announced the successful completion of the acquisition offer of approximately 50,819,769 Common Shares, with offering period set to expire at 5:00 p.m., New York City time, on 2011-06-20. In 2011-06-21, Offeror and CKX announced the successful completion of the tender offer by Offeror.

On June 21, 2011, CKX Entertainment, Inc. and CKX, Inc. announced the successful completion of parent's acquisition of CKX, with parent being an acquisition entity controlled by investment funds managed by affiliates of Apollo Global Management, LLC.

CORE Media Group, Inc. era
On May 31, 2012, CORE Media Group, Inc. announced its own launch in the same day, a newly branded version of the company formerly known as CKX.

On November 19, 2013, it was announced that CORE Media Group had sold its stake in Elvis Presley Enterprises and Muhammad Ali Enterprises.

On May 15, 2014, Apollo and 21st Century Fox announced a joint venture to combine 21st Century Fox's Shine Group and Apollo's Endemol and CORE Media Group.

As a result of bankruptcy in 2016, CORE transferred assets to a new corporation, NEG Holdings LLC, d/b/a CORE Media Group.

As CORE Media Group, they created the game-show Caraoke Showdown, along with Alevy Productions. The series aired in 2017 on Spike and was hosted by comedian and actor Craig Robinson. CORE also created the wildlife animal rescue series Vet Gone Wild for Animal Planet, which began airing June 10, 2018. The show features veterinarian Dr. Chris Brown, well known for his Australian veterinarian series Bondi Vet.

On August 6, 2018, CORE Media Group announced the acquisition of The Intellectual Property Corporation, with immediate relaunching of the company as Industrial Media. Eli Holzman of The Intellectual Property Corporation would become IM's new CEO, while IPC's president and co-founder Aaron Saidman would become IM's president while also remaining in his current capacity as president of IPC, CORE's executive chairman Dennis Miller would become Industrial Media's chairman.

Industrial Media era
In March 2019, Industrial Media announced an overall deal with nonfiction production company Momentum Content.

Sony era
In March 2022, Sony Pictures Television announced that it had agreed to acquire Industrial Media for $350 million. Once the acquisition was finalized in November 2022, the company's trade name became Sony Pictures Television –- Nonfiction.

Assets and holdings
Sony Pictures Television – Nonfiction's assets and holdings at present include:

Wholly-owned

 * 19 Entertainment – Founded in 1985 by Simon Fuller. Acquired in 2005 for $200 million. 19 owns, among other things, a share of the rights to the Idol series, including Pop Idol in the United Kingdom, American Idol in the United States, and numerous other international versions, and So You Think You Can Dance in the United States.
 * B17 Entertainment – Founded in 2013 by Rhett Bachner and Brien Meagher.
 * The Intellectual Property Corporation – Founded in 2016 by Eli Holzman and Aaron Saidman. Acquired in 2018.
 * Sharp Entertainment – Founded in 2012 by Matt Sharp. Acquired in 2012.

Joint ventures

 * This Machine Filmworks – Founded in 2020 by R. J. Cutler.

Production overall deals

 * Brass Monkeys Media
 * House of NonFiction – Founded in 2021 by Alex Stapleton.
 * Maxine – Founded in 2022 by Mary Robertson.
 * Royal Entertainment Group
 * Trilogy Films – Founded by Dawn Porter.
 * UNConventional Entertainment – Founded in 2023 by Gena McCarthy.
 * Yes, Like the River

CKX
The "C" and "K" in "CKX" stood for "Content is King", representing the focus of the company's business strategy to acquire established content, and then to improve, enhance and develop the marketing of such content. The "X" takes an initial of founder Robert F.X. Sillerman, and is a trademark of many Sillerman companies, such as "SFX Entertainment" and "FXM Asset Management"

title: Sony Pictures Television Nonfiction


text:
User:Comestai/sandbox

Neuromonk Feofan is a musical project from St. Petersburg, performing music in drum'n'bass style. The project is popular on the Internet and got the status of an Internet meme. The group members remain anonymous.

Neuromonk Feofan's performances are stylized as Russian folk festivals with group members dressed in bast shoes, kosovorotkas and sarafans. The lyrics of Feofan's songs abound with Slavic and obsolete Russian words, and the vocals are filled with characteristic rope. Neuromonk Feofan performs his songs with balalaika side by side with drum'n'bass rythms.

Members
The members of the group remain anonymous, but it is known that the project consists of the author of the songs and the performer Neuromonk Feofan himself (his real name is Oleg ) and DJ Nikodim helping him during the performances. Neuromonk Feofan himself is a tall man with a beard whose face is hidden behind a hood, dressed in a Orthodox-like hoodie and bast shoes and holding a stave with a laser pointer hidden inside.

History
In an interview with the Afisha magazine Nikodim claims that he professionally studied music before meeting Feofan, who prompted him many new ideas. Neuromonk Feofan himself started recording his songs back in 2009. The idea to start a new musical project was formulated by Feofan and Nikodim during their forest walks.

The debut album of the group "Drum in the Soul, Bright Russia in the Heart" was released in early 2015, its concert was dedicated to a concert tour with performances around the cities of Russia and Belarus. The album was warmly received by listeners and critics and entered the top 10 of Russian iTunes.

Neuromonk Feofan took part in such Russian music festivals as "Kubana", "Nashestvie", "Dikaya Myata", "VK Fest", and other massive gigs.

At the end of 2015, Neuromonk Feofan was recognized as the Russian independent Performer of the Year according to Yandex.

Criticism
Musical critics have noted the novelty of the fusion of Russian folk motifs with electronic dance music in Neuromonk's music, comparing the project with some legendary Russian performers leke MC Vspyshkin and Ivan Kupala. In one of his interviews Sergey Shnurov said that Neuromonk Feofan is "a combination of the incompatible, they are Orthodox atheists, they are believing Komsomols", and he also approved Neuromonk Feofan's activities in social networks. The lyrics of Neuromonk's songs abound with references to the life of Ancient Rus and are devoted to Russian nature and physical labor, but they contain a bit of irony. The main distinguishing feature of the project is their image and visual component. In her article at Zvuki.ru, Victoria Bazoeva pointed to a good level of stylization, and noted that the use of modern words along with historicism can somewhat disappoint some true connoisseurs of reliable historical reconstruction. After the first album release many people were unconcerned about Feofan, but the touring success and the performance at "Cubana" Festival forced many critics to reconsider their opinion.

The creativity of the project is sometimes called conceptual, postmodernist, while contrasting, however, with representatives of contemporary Russian art like Vladimir Sorokin.

Albums

 * 2015 — "Drum in the Soul, Bright Russia in the Heart"
 * 2016 — "Great Forces of Goodness"
 * 2017 — "To Dance. To sing"

Singles

 * 2015 — "To Trample Down"
 * 2015 — "Now I Want to Dance!"
 * 2016 — "The Hut is Walking with Staggering"
 * 2016 — "The Old Russian Drum"
 * 2017 — "And Now the Bear is Singing"
 * 2017 — "The Old Russian Soul"

Links

 * Interview with Neuromonk Feofan (Russian)
 * vDud pres. Neuromonk Feofan (Russian)

Websites

 * Neuromonk Feofan Official Website
 * Discogs
 * MusicBrainz

Social Networks

 * Facebook
 * VK

Music and Videos

 * Yandex.Music
 * YouTube

title: User:Comestai/sandbox


text:
Parveen Shakir

Parveen Shakir ( 24 November 1952 – 26 December 1994) was a Pakistani poet, teacher and a civil servant of the government of Pakistan. She is best known for her poems, which brought a distinctive feminine voice to Urdu literature.

Since her death, the "Parveen Shakir Urdu Literature Festival" has been held every year in Islamabad in her memoriam.

Early career
Parveen Shakir started writing at a very young age. She wrote both prose and poetry, contributed columns in Urdu newspapers, and a few articles in English dailies. Initially, she wrote under the pen-name "Beena".

After teaching for nine years, she joined the Civil Service of Pakistan in October 1982 and worked in the customs department. In 1986, she was appointed second secretary of the Central Board of Revenue (now Federal Board of Revenue) in Islamabad, Pakistan.

In 1976, Parveen Shakir published her first volume of poetry Khushbu (Fragrance) to great acclaim. She was awarded one of the highest honours of Pakistan, the Pride of Performance, for her outstanding contributions to literature. She subsequently published other volumes of poetry including Sad-barg (Marsh Marigold) in 1980, and Khud Kalāmi (Soliloquy) and Inkār (Denial) in 1990. These poetry books are collected in Māh-e-Tamām (Full Moon). She also published a collection of her newspaper columns, titled Gosha-e-Chashm (Corner of the Eye). Kaf-e-Āina (The Mirror's Edge) was released posthumously with works from her diaries and journals.

Style of poetry
The two main styles she wrote in were ghazal and āzād nazm (free verse) where she utilized several literary techniques and examined delicate topics to create a full image of the female experience.

Ghazliat
Shakir's ghazliāt are considered "a combination of classical tradition with modern sensitivity", and mainly deal with the feminine perspective on love and romance, and associated themes such as beauty, intimacy, separation, break-ups, distances, distrust, infidelity and disloyalty.

Most of Shakir's ghazliāt contain five to ten couplets, often interrelated. Sometimes, two consecutive couplets may differ greatly in meaning and context, an example of this can be noted in the following couplets:

The ghazliāt rely heavily on metaphors and similes, which are repeatedly and thought-provokingly used to bring force and lyricism in her works. A fine example of this is seen in one of her most famous couplets:

Here, Shakir relates fragrance to an unfaithful lover, air to the unfaithful person's secret loves, and flower to the person being cheated. Other metaphors Shakir commonly uses are titlī (butterfly) for a Romeo, bādal (cloud) for one's love, bārish (rain) for affection, āṅdhī (storm) for difficulties and chāṅd (moon) for loneliness. An example with the central theme of loneliness using the moon as a metaphor is:

Some of her ghazliāt have gained iconic status in Urdu literature. Another notable couplet that is often quoted to comment on the often surprising knowledge and awareness of the younger generation is:

Free verse
Compared to her ghazliāt, Shakir's free verse is much bolder and explores social issues and taboos, including gender inequality, discrimination, patriotism, deceit, prostitution, the human psyche, and current affairs. It is written in a way which was and is still considered modern in Pakistan.

Other than topics of femininity and female sexuality, Shakir also used free verse to write about topics related to economic disparities and the tendency of society to exploit on the weak and poor. Several of her poems lament the harsh reality that many low-income laborers around the world face. For example, her poem "Steel Mills Worker" speaks about the deplorable conditions and long hours workers find themselves doing every day. The poem also describes how these workers are taken for granted and used as a means to an end by those who employ them. The last lines of the poem paint this stark picture vividly.

Another one of her poems, "We Are All Dr Faustus", delves deeper into this subject and directly addresses the prevalence of corruption in wealthy and powerful circles of people. She claimed that the rich achieve their goals but at a grave price, and used these arguments to critique economic systems such as capitalism.

The length of Shakir's free verse poems can range from a few to many lines. Most are written with a central theme while some are written in the mode of stream of consciousness.

Parveen Shakir is known for her use of pop culture references and English words and phrases – a practice that is generally considered inappropriate and is criticised in Urdu poetry. An example is the poem Departmental Store Mein (In a Departmental Store), which is named thus despite the fact that the title could have been substituted with its Urdu equivalent. She also used words like "natural pink", "hand lotion", "shade", "scent" and "pack", and made references to cosmetics brands like Pearl, Revlon, Elizabeth Arden and Tulip in the poem. Other examples are her poems Ecstasy, Nun, Duty, Flower show, and Picnic.

Shakir's free verse also contains a few credited works and poems that are translations of, or inspired by, other authors. Examples are "Wasteland", a poem inspired by Eliot's poem of the same name, "Benasab Wirsay Ka Bojh" (The Burden of Illegitimate Inheritance), a translation of Yeats' "Leda and the Swan", and "Banafshay Ka Phool" (A Violet), inspired by Wordsworth's "A Violet under a hidden rock".

Poetic themes
Parveen Shakir's poems are known for their in-depth exploration of sensitive topics rarely talked about, especially for women. Her poems aimed to encompass all parts of being a woman, from the innocence to the start of being conscious of one's own sexuality, and more adult struggles as well. These include the hardships of love, the restrictions and social pressures faced uniquely by women, and the need for women to be more represented in all areas of society. One aspect of writing that Shakir is particularly known for is her introduction of female pronouns, both first person and third person, as a way to normalize femininity in poetry, specifically within the realm of Urdu poetry, a traditionally masculine field.

Through her ghazals in particular, she continued to embody a feminine voice through grammatical choices, giving a voice to females and the female experience. Shakir's personal life was extremely influential in the choice of style and topic that she chose to pursue. An example of this would be the tumultuous divorce between her and her husband, which resulted in her losing custody of her son due to Pakistani law. This event was one of the reasons her writing focused heavily on women's issues in regards to their place in society. Many of her poems lament the discrimination women face, especially as a divorcee living in a more conservative country.

Legacy
Parveen Shakir's poetry was well-received, and after her untimely death she is now considered one of the best and "most prominent" modern poets Urdu language has ever produced. Hailed as a "great poetess," her poetry has drawn comparisons to that of Iranian poet Forough Farrokhzad, and she is considered among the breed of writers "regarded as pioneers in defying tradition by expressing the 'female experience' in Urdu poetry."

Her poems were unique in the sense that they exposed and even encouraged freedom of expression among women. She did not shy away from taboo themes; instead, she claimed them and used them to create provocative poems that challenge the dependency of women on men. As influenced by her experience with Pakistani tradition, literary analysts suggest she tried to use her poems to offer a refuge for women fighting misogyny, specifically in South Asian culture.

Her first and most well-known work, Khushbu, was specifically monumental in this regard. In Shakir's writing, she touched on the theme of separation. Shakir's book explored the theme not only in the sense of not only emotionally being alone, but also in regards to unjustly losing social capital as a woman in the absence of a man. Her poems allude to not only what a man provides of her emotionally and physically, but also financially and in terms of societal expectations.

Shakir's work has been acknowledged by several other poets and the media in general. A source states, "Parveen ... seems to have captured the best of Urdu verse ... Owing to [her] style and range of expressions one will be intrigued and ... entertained by some soul-stirring poetry." Another praises "her rhythmic flow and polished wording".

Pakistan's noted literary figure Iftikhar Arif has praised Parveen Shakir for impressing "the young lot through her thematic variety and realistic poetry," for adding "a new dimension to the traditional theme of love by giving expression to her emotions in a simple and pellucid style," and using a "variety of words to convey different thoughts with varying intensities."

The Delhi Recorder has stated that Shakir "has given the most beautiful female touch to Urdu poetry."

Shakir's work in writing, teaching, and government service inspired many women to follow suit. After learning about Shakir's pioneering career, many women decided to join work sectors that seldom contained women before, such as journalism and public service.

The first substantial selection of Shakir's work translated into English was made by the poet Paiker-e-Hussain in 2011. In 2019, a collection of 100 selected poems of Shakir were translated into English by Naima Rashid and published by the Oxford University Press under the title "Defiance of the Rose".

Parveen Shakir Urdu Literature Festival
Due to Parveen Shakir's far-reaching impact in the poetry world, the Parveen Shakir Trust was established in 1994. The Trust now hosts the Parveen Shakir Urdu Literature Festival in Islamabad every year. During the festival, works from various poets, including Parveen Shakir, are displayed in an attempt to create awareness and interest in traditional Pakistani forms of writing and poetry. The festival particularly targets youth in order to increase the amount of younger individuals dedicated to this type of study, although it welcomes those of all ages who attend. According to the organizers of the festival, the event serves as a way to honor past writers, continue the influence of their writing, and promote creativity among the general public.

Awards and accolades
Shakir's first book, Khushboo, was awarded the Adamjee Literary Award in 1976. Later, she was awarded the Pride of Performance, one of Pakistan's highest honours in 1990.

Upon her death, the Parveen Shakir Trust was established by her close friend, Parveen Qadir Agha. The Parveen Shakir Trust organises a yearly function and gives out the "Aks-e-Khushbu" award.

Commemorative postage stamp
In 2013, Pakistan Post Office issued a commemorative postage stamp of Rupees 10 denomination to honor her on Parveen Shakir's 19th death anniversary.

Tribute
On 24 November 2019, Google celebrated her 67th birthday with a Google Doodle.

Birth
Parveen was born on 24 November 1952 in Karachi, Sindh, Pakistan. Her father Shakir Hussain Saqib, also a poet, was from Laheriasarai in the Darbhanga district of Bihar and had migrated to Karachi after the partition of India.

Education
Parveen was highly educated. She received two undergraduate degrees, one in English literature and the other in linguistics (from Sir Syed Government Girls College), and obtained MA degrees in the same subjects from the University of Karachi. She also held a PhD, and another MA degree in Bank Administration.

In 1982, Shakir qualified for the Central Superior Services (CSS) Examination. In 1991, she obtained an MA degree in public administration from Harvard University.

Family and death
Parveen Shakir married a Pakistani doctor, Syed Naseer Ali, with whom she had a son, Syed Murad Ali – but the marriage did not last long and ended in a divorce.

On 26 December 1994, Parveen's car collided with a bus while she was on her way to work in Islamabad. The accident resulted in her death.

The road on which the accident took place is named after her as Parveen Shakir Road in sector F-7 Islamabad.

Books
Following is a list of Shakir's published books. English translation of each book's title follows in italics.

Volumes of Poetry
 * • "Khushbu" (1976) – Fragrance
 * • "Sad-barg" (1980) – Marsh Marigold
 * • "Khud-kalaami" (1990) – Soliloquy
 * • "Inkaar" (1990) – Refusal
 * • "Maah-e-Tamaam" (1994) – Full Moon (Compilation of the books above)
 * • "Kaf-e-Aa'ina" – The Mirror's Edge (Posthumous release compiling works from diaries)

Prose
 * • "Gosha-e-Chashm" – Corner of the eye (Compilation of newspaper columns)

title: Parveen Shakir