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Wikiversity talk:Mission/Initial development

Delphi Method
On the mission project page, I outlined a method that could be very effective for weaving diverse views into a single or few statements. I hope we give it a try. Because of the newness of the process, it might be that only a few or handful of people develop alternates. Hopefully more will participate as this evolves. It may take some time. But we might find that quality results. Reswik 13:17, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Embracing University or Multiversity
Discussion moved to Multiversity

Discuss Step 1 Alternates
What do you think of any of these?

Move this page?
The title of this page seems a little odd. A page in the Wikiversity is naturally about Wikiversity. Why does Wiiversity need to be said twice in the title. I think it should be moved to Misson, but I thought I'd get a second opinion before doing it. - Trevor MacInnis 03:11, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

 * That move is a good idea. Reswik 04:10, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thirded. I think the current name is my fault - and I remember thinking about the simpler version (though I don't know why I chose the longer one). Cormaggio 09:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright then, that seems unnanimous enough. - Trevor MacInnis 12:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Sexism in Educational Spaces and Sexist Language
Wikiversity needs to stress this aspect of education. I've already seen sexist language used as what a user thought was the purpose of Wikiversity. I realize I am going to take so much flak for saying this. I've already tried asking the Freemasons on WikiP why they don't allow women, only to be attacked and silenced.

I want to make sure this worldly educational environment is free of that. I know you can't correct every post a person makes... well, you can... but I mean in a more general sense of how Wikiversity is run and structured. I think this has to be front and center as part of your policy and mission statement. It has to be pointed out or I'll keep reading sexist language at a phenomenal rate on these WIKI sites and then it's not living up to what true education is.

Maybe Wikiversity can finally point this out in a clear manner and maybe the other WIKI's can BE BOLD and add it to their main policy. I want it in a visible place because it's such a visible problem. For too long have women been marginalized, unheard, and it's time that things change. We are not in Post-Feminism. I repeat-- We are NOT in Post-Feminism.

So please create this space for women too. It has been studied and supported that women learn differently than men. All of these things have to be taken into consideration if you want to state that Wikiversity is a global educational space. Otherwise, you are only considering 48% of the population. User:OneWomanArmy--Diana 01:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Moving this here from Mission project page. How to summarize these important issues in relation to mission statement? Approach this as part of a longer statement? As part of some policy about equality? And link/refer to that in the long mission or vision? Reswik 16:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

"Learning Project" ---> "Study"
I would like to change the term learning project to study. Studies include both learning and research (as in Institute for Advanced Study).---Hillgentleman|User talk:hillgentleman 07:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Boundless collaboration
"Wikiversity: Boundless collaborative teaching. Offering free knowledge, helping all who wish to learn." (source) --JWSchmidt 21:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

a new idea for a mission

i am new in the community, i saw the debate about closing the site because its lack of clear mission, and so i have a proposal - the mission of wikiversity, is to make a system of courses that will give the learner real and deep knowledge in the material he wants to explore.

maybe i did not write it well... the idea is to give the learner a system of learning. so he will know how to proceed in his learning of the material, like they do it in school.

Wikicredentials, an Educational Utopia, Wikiversity's Global Genius Innovation?
Let us Think without Limitations, Let us Weigh WikiCredentials and Wikiversity on the Scales of our Minds.

-- Gaon Abhinava 02:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Question

Is the withholding of Free educational Accredidation a form of oppression for the Students who cannot afford tuition? Maybe, maybe not, but they still can't afford it. Freedom of Education is a Human right, and I believe Free accredidation should be also. Wikicredentials could ensure that Poverty and economic recession will not effect an individual's opportunity to achieve an Accredited Education. WikiCredentials would Promote Global Innovation, Co-Operation and Understanding between human cultures. Below are the comparisons of Reason.--Gaon Abhinava 02:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

 Advantages, Wikiversity Without accredidation

1) Less pressure to meet educational demands and time lines for scores and accuracy.

( scores and accuracy are the only way to track personal developement, The Mind Advancing from "point A" to "Point B".... And Wikicreds. could be fully self-paced, producing less pressure and less "fear of failure".... Fyi, It is impossible to be void of this fear, regardless.) --Gaon Abhinava 03:23, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

 Dis-Advantages, Wikiversity Without accredidation

1)There is Less motivation to Learn, if there is No Award, and No Accredidation.

2) There would be Less People Learning.

3) It seems to be an Imposed Limitation on The Minds of STUDENTS to NOT give Credentials, or not reward their hard study. Given the fact that Goals, and personal Mind development, would both Increase with the student's Acheivement of WikiCredentials. Every Student's Mind Development would be progressive and measurable, this is obvious, and This freedom of education would produce Enormous Enthusiasm among students and teachers alike.

--Gaon Abhinava 03:23, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

' Advantages, WikiCredentials'' Offered by Wikiversity. '''

1) Anyone with sustained Internet access can earn the Equivalent of an associates, bachelors etc...

2)The world may be become a difficult place in the future, to try and physically go to college by way of transportation. Wikicredentials would make earning an educational degree easier in the events of " sheltering in place "  and  " lack of tuition ". etc...

3) The students and Teachers at Wikiversity could closely moniter and edit the educational material, making sure it is accurate and promotes the well being of students. ( free from malicious, historical information distortion, or manipulation ) This would make Wikicredentials and Wikiversity more appealing, and more Attended by the mass populace of humans.

4) Your own personal Wikicreds. can be Fully customizable, and Fully Self paced upon your request, based upon your preference and Mental Capacity.--Gaon Abhinava 03:23, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

' Dis-advantages, WikiCredentials'' Offered by Wikiversity. '''

1) It may take away the profits from colleges and Institutions, being that they are very expensive and Wikicredentials are Free to earn......

( This is Dis-advantages for Them, Not the students, Wikiversity could be an educational Utopia. )--Gaon Abhinava 03:23, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


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Talk:Short circuit ratio

Definition is very confusing and contradictory
The second sentence reads It is the ratio of field current required to produce rated armature voltage at the open circuit to the field current required to produce the rated armature current at short circuit, this text (not the definition!) only makes sense for a single synchronous generator. Immediately the third sentence talks about can be calculated for each point on a grid. But the grid as a whole does not have "armature" (neither does any inverter-based resource). In my opinion, definition need to be re-done in more generic terms (ratio of short-circuit power to the nameplate capacity, see p. 39) that is suitable for the grid. Even then it cannot be calculated at an arbitrary point in the grid, a "point of interconnection" (POI) needs to be introduced. See some discussion at. I am planning to change the lead to more conventional definition and, prior to that, soliciting the comments hereby. Викидим (talk) 22:36, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

 * For the synchronous machine, the definition in the current lead can be sourced from the second source provided, see the quoted p. 740 . However, the formula is immediately simplified there (12.6) to an inverse of the per-unit synchronous reactance (the "direct-axis" component, Xd). While some relationship between these definitions does exist, the values for the grid and for the generator (as currently defined) are quite different. Generator with an SCR of 0.9 is quite "stiff" (there are reasons not to go this high); the grid for stability needs more than 1 (typically a value above 5 of a differently defined SCR, see the section 10.6 of the Kundur's book I have added to the Sources section of the article, electronic copies of this book are widely available). I am still looking for a single source that clearly separates what looks like two different SCRs. This article might need to be split - also soliciting the comments. Викидим (talk) 23:24, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, we can split by creating a new article for Grid strength, of which the SCR (of the grid variety) is a measure, see the cited Kundur book. Викидим (talk) 15:42, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * See also the source with high value of SCR for generators (page 3-3) implying yet another aspect (the definition on p. 3-2 is conventional). It seems that the Corps got the numbers upside-down, a nice treatment at  confirms my recollections: as defined (d/h on horizontal axis in Fig. 7-22), the SCR for the synchronous machine with cylindrical rotor is below 1 (the machines with salient pole rotors are in 1.0-1.5 range). Викидим (talk) 16:17, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Found a source that clearly spells the difference, although quite low in authority, three (!) different definition of SCR. I therefore propose to (1) split the current article in two:Short circuit ratio (synchronous generator) + Short circuit ratio (electrical grid), (2) convert the Short circuit ratio into a WP:Disambiguation with all three options (one without an article). Once again looking for comments. Викидим (talk) 07:21, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No objections for two weeks. I will start WP:CONSPLIT. Викидим (talk) 06:30, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * See also IEEE Standard 519-2014, as well as some discussion (on the grid variety) at . Викидим (talk) 15:51, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The issue with inverter-based resources in weak grids is described in a simple form in . Викидим (talk) 15:57, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

 * WP:CONSPLIT ✅ --Викидим (talk) 16:53, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

System condition rating
Our article lists some values for "system condition rating", also an SCR. This appears to be a typo. Викидим (talk) 23:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Carl von Rokitansky

Comment
What is the difference between the "Czech physician" Josef Skoda and the "Bohemian physician" Karel Rokitansky? Shouldn't they both be Czech and Austrian physicians?

Freiherr (Baron)
The title Frieiherr (Baron) is a common one and not usually used for Wikipedia article titles. I suggest this article be moved to 'Carl von Rokitansky'. It appears this needs admin action. -- Klein zach  00:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Mad Max
The reference is from a student's thesis paper and does not cite the producer or anyone in the film's creation, so I removed the section. MartinezMD (talk) 01:22, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 08:07, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Baron Carl von Rokitansky → Carl von Rokitansky – As the previous comment states, prefixed titles are usually not used for biographies, and the "von" usually indicates nobility of some sort. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 19:44, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Support per nom -- <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 02:25, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Nationality
I want to point out that Karel Rokytanský was Czech who worked in Austria and had austrian citizenship as almost one third of Europe at the time. In polish and italien version he is Czech, in french Austrian of czech origin, in spanish and english Austrian. The same with other two founders of Modern Medical School of Vienna Hebra and Skoda, except Skoda is Czech in Spanish and Herba Austrian in Italien. I don't find Wikipedia reliable source of information in general since I found out that half of Czechs has diverse nationality (for example Husserl is Prussian of austrian origin in french, German of Moravian origin in czech, German of Jew origin in polish and austrian-german in english, Mendel is Czech in polish and italien, Austrian in english and french and Moravian-Austrian in german). I know who is and who is not Czech as I am Czech, but what about people from others region? I suppose that this is not only problem of the Czech Republic. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 23:46, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

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USA-83

USA-83, also known as GPS IIA-5, GPS II-14 and GPS SVN-26, is an American navigation satellite which forms part of the Global Positioning System. It was the fifth of nineteen Block IIA GPS satellites to be launched.

Background
Global Positioning System (GPS) was developed by the U.S. Department of Defense to provide all-weather round-the-clock navigation capabilities for military ground, sea, and air forces. Since its implementation, GPS has also become an integral asset in numerous civilian applications and industries around the globe, including recreational used (e.g., boating, aircraft, hiking), corporate vehicle fleet tracking, and surveying. GPS employs 24 spacecraft in 20,200 km circular orbits inclined at 55.0°. These vehicles are placed in 6 orbit planes with four operational satellites in each plane.

GPS Block 2 was the operational system, following the demonstration system composed of Block 1 (Navstar 1 - 11) spacecraft. These spacecraft were 3-axis stabilized, nadir pointing using reaction wheels. Dual solar arrays supplied 710 watts of power. They used S-band (SGLS) communications for control and telemetry and Ultra high frequency (UHF) cross-link between spacecraft. The payload consisted of two L-band navigation signals at 1575.42 MHz (L1) and 1227.60 MHz (L2). Each spacecraft carried 2 rubidium and 2 Cesium clocks and nuclear detonation detection sensors. Built by Rockwell Space Systems for the U.S. Air force, the spacecraft measured 5.3 m across with solar panels deployed and had a design life of 7.5 years.

Launch
USA-83 was launched at 09:20:01 UTC on 7 July 1992, atop a Delta II launch vehicle, flight number D211, flying in the 7925-9.5 configuration. The launch took place from Launch Complex 17B (LC-17B) at the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station (CCAFS), and placed USA-83 into a transfer orbit. The satellite raised itself into medium Earth orbit using a Star-37XFP apogee motor.

Mission
On 6 August 1992, USA-83 was in an orbit with a perigee of 19959 km, an apogee of 20464 km, a period of 717.92 minutes, and 55.0° of inclination to the equator. It has PRN 26, and operates in slot 2 of plane F of the GPS constellation. The satellite has a mass of 840 kg. It had a design life of 7.5 years; however, it actually remained in service until 5 January 2015.

It was retired and resides in a disposal orbit at approximately 1000 km above the operational constellation.

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Puzzles/Arithmetical puzzles/Hotel Refund/Solution

Puzzles | Arithmetical puzzles | Hotel refund | Solution

The men paid $27 dollars. The desk clerk has $25 dollars and the bell-hop pocketed $2.

The mistake is expecting that what the men paid and what the bell-boy kept to add up to what the men initially gave the desk clerk. In fact, it is the amount that the room effectively cost them, plus the amount they received back, that should add to $30.

The second puzzle is very similar: $25 is sitting with the clerk, $2 with the men, and $3 with the bellhop. That adds to the required $30.


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User:Phwaedih/sandbox

Drivers
The Champion of Champions winner was decided by a knockout tournament, split into two halves - one (upper half) consisting of international racing drivers with the other being the rally experts and 'those with more experience of off-road driving'. The preliminary rounds and 1/8 finals were decided by a single heat, with the Quarter-finals being decided by 2 heats, the best overall time as a tie-breaker. The Semi-finals were the best of 3 heats, and the Final was the best of 5.

Main Draw

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Nations
The Nations' Cup was also decided in a knockout format, with each race being decided by 4 heats, with each driver racing against both drivers from the other team. If the match ended 2-2, the total race time was considered to decide a winner. The final round was a simple best-of-five match, with the winner crowned after reaching 3 heat wins.

Main Draw

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Nations

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Filmmaking Basics/Thumbnail Storyboard/Step by Step/aaa

Excellent Decision!
Now the first three frames are

$$\Rightarrow$$ Fade In $$\Rightarrow$$ $$\Rightarrow$$ Cut To  $$\Rightarrow$$   $$\Rightarrow$$ Dolly Out  $$\Rightarrow$$

Special Note:
You have cross the line!!! When you dollied out, you crossed the imaginary line between the Young Person and the Old Person. That means you must stay on this side of the line (away from the poster) for the rest of the movie unless you move the camera during a shot to the other side of this imaginary line. You have made a major decision… probably without even knowing it. This will effect the entire rest of the movie.

The Script
EXTERIOR - The local movie theater - NIGHT

(1) The Young Person and Old Person stand looking at the movie poster outside the theater.

Next Frame?
You have a choice of how you can show the poster.

 * Option A
 * After holding for three seconds while the theme of Star Wars play, you can Pedestal down to the Young Person.

 * Option B

 * You can dolly dolly back (out) to show the back side of the Young Person and the Old Person while the theme of Star Wars plays.

 * Option C
 * After holding for three seconds while the theme of Star Wars play, you can cut to a front view of the Young Person.

 * Option D
 * After holding for three seconds while the theme of Star Wars play, you can cut back to the opening shot.

Now Decide!

 * Select either option A or B or C or D

 * If you change your mind, you can go back to the previous page

 * Reference Material
 * All the thumbnail storyboard frames.
 * The unformatted script.
 * The original story.
 * The [[Media:SBTDS Script Ciprian2.pdf|formatted script]].
 * To start over, go back to the beginning.


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User:Saurabhdhanpati18

Name: Saurabh Dhanpati DOB: 10 September 2001 Place Of Birth: Ulhasnagar City: Kalyan State: Maharashtra Country: India

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information velocity

Noun

 * 1)  The speed at which information is transmitted through a particular medium
 * 2)  The speed of information flow about a product in a market
 * 3)  The rate at which information that influences the price of securities in informationally efficient markets moves through the market.

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antika

Noun

 * 1) classical antiquity

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) the classical (Greek and Roman) period
 * 2) antiquity

Etymology
From, , from. .

Noun

 * 1) antique

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Talk:Curtain wall (architecture)

Pictures
This artical needs pictures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk • contribs)

too much modern emphasis
way too much emphasis upon modern curtain walls! Anlace 21:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

non-NPOV tone
Before I start editing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>could you try rewriting your recent edits? The tone employed ("are essential", "areas must have") is more instructive than informative. I do like the LAPD citation. I also worry that you're taking a very limited, first-world perspective in your sweeping statements of requirements ("glazing panels are often required" "The curtain wall itself, however, is not ordinarily required to have a rating"). Please include just WHERE these requirements exist - I doubt very much that the majority of countries across the globe have such stringent requirements, and can't know just where you're talking about without further information. Alvis 05:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

too much modern emphasis? non-NPOV?
Curtain walls are, historically and almost by definition, modern and first-world. The bit about "medieval" curtain walls is interesting, but perhaps it's confusing to people coming to this from outside of architecture and structural engineering. It sounds like there's a stylistic choice to be made (you've got your medieval hand-crafted curtain walls and your filthy modernist first-world curtain walls). I came across this article by chance, and I think it's excellent--you just need to underline that the modern and medieval terms are entirely different concepts.--<IP_ADDRESS> 19:17, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What about traditional Chinese architecture? This article is linked from the Dougong article, which describes traditional Chinese architecture as using non load-bearing curtain walls. If that is correct, then perhaps the History section of this article should mention that. If not, then the Dougong article should be corrected. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 15:59, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Dead Link
The external link entitled "Curtain walls in 20th-century architecture" no longer links to its intended destination, the site has been moved. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 00:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The link should be removed as the article is about "glass" curtain walls, which is totally removed from an outer defensive curtain wall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 14:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

The Liverpool Buildings are added
The world's first glass curtain walled buildings were in Liverpool. Oriel Chambers being the first. These have been added.

Just to note. The glass curtain wall came about because of industrial building innovations in metal frames in England in the late 1770s and early 1800s. In 1858, Greene's Boat House, Sheerness, Kent, England was the first building with a true rigid metal frame, with no load bearing masonry. This building was a four storey, three bay frame 64 metres by 41 metres by 16 metres high. This wiki explains it well: http://www.liverpoolwiki.org/Home_of_the_Skyscraper

First Interstate Tower fire
The section on fire safety made the following statements about the First Interstate Tower fire:

In the case of the aforementioned fire, it was specifically the activation of the newly installed sprinkler system, which halted the advance of the fire and allowed effective suppression. Had this not occurred, the tower would have collapsed onto fire crews and into an adjacent building, while on fire. Exceptionally sound cementitious spray fireproofing also helped to delay and ultimately to avoid the possible collapse of the building, due to having the structural steel skeleton of the building reach the critical temperature, as the post-mortem fire investigation report indicated. This fire proved the positive collective effect of both active fire protection (sprinklers) and passive fire protection (fireproofing).

This conflicts with the United States Fire Administration report (which states that the sprinklers were never turned on and the structural integrity was never in danger), so in the absence of a citation I moved them to the talk page. The comment about passive protection of the steel skeleton is supported by the report, but perhaps not directly related to curtain walls.

Reason for dab
Something approaching half the links to the original curtain wall article were from castles and fortification, which was clearly wrong, so I have turned that into a dab page. We should now be able to unravel the links in slower time with the help of the dab notification system. Hope that helps. --Bermicourt (talk) 17:25, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

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The Road in Front of Saint-Simeon Farm in Winter

The Road in Front of Saint-Simeon Farm in Winter is an 1867 oil-on-canvas snowscape painted by French impressionist Claude Monet. It depicts a snow-covered road in front of a barn, with tracks of a horse cart and various footsteps in the snow. The painting is one of four related works from the winter of 1867, and represents Monet’s earliest series. They include this work, followed by Road to the Farm, Saint-Siméon, Honfleur, Road in Front of Saint-Siméon Farm in Winter, and Cart on a Snowy Road at Honfleur.


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User:Saraansari10

Hey, I'm Sara! I'm studying an honours degree specialising in Reproductive Biology at the University of Edinburgh, and I'm hoping to not only improve my own breadth of knowledge in the field, but also contribute to help others learn more too.

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Cookbook:Indian Hard Tack (Baati)

| Indian Cuisine | Bread

Baati is a hard, unleavened bread cooked in desert areas of Rajasthan, Malwa, and Gujarat in North India. It is prized there for its exceptionally long life and high energy content, as well as the minimal quantity of water required in its preparation.

Ingredients

 * 1 pound (450 g) wheat flour
 * ½ teaspoon salt
 * 3 tablespoons oil
 * Water
 * 1 ½ teaspoons ghee (for serving)

Procedure

 * 1) Mix the flour and salt.
 * 2) Put about 1 cup of flour mixture in a small bowl and add a little oil, mixing it in well and breaking up any lumps.
 * 3) Add water about 1 tablespoon at a time and keep kneading with your hands. You only need 3–4 tablespoons, but you must knead the dough very hard to make it stick together in a ball. The more compact the dough, the better and denser the baati will be.
 * 4) Let the balls sit for 5 minutes.
 * 5) Flatten out each ball with first your hands and then a rolling pin until they are smooth discs 4 inches (10 cm) across and ½ inch (1.25 cm) thick.
 * 6) Cook in a dry metal pan on a low flame. Flip once when the bottom begins to harden, then pinch all over with two fingers so the dough is not too thick and has a bumpy texture on one side.
 * 7) Check the bottom until it browns in spots, then remove the baati and place it upside-down on a grate or pan with holes in it. This will blacken the top a little, especially on the tops of the pinched bumps.
 * 8) To serve, drizzle liberally with ghee and accompany with a dhal or vegetable.

Notes, tips, and variations

 * Sprinkle powdered sugar on after the ghee for a sweet snack.

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Kumalyr

Kumalyr (Кумалыр; Кумалыр, Kumalır) is a rural locality (a selo) in Shebalinsky District, the Altai Republic, Russia. The population was 162 as of 2016. There are 3 streets.

Geography
Kumalyr is located 11 km south of Shebalino (the district's administrative centre) by road. Shebalino is the nearest rural locality.

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Business/Case studies

This department is a Wikiversity content development project where participants create, organize and develop Business case studies.

The Case Method is used to enhance the learning of students. Case method is often utilized by recognized universities, such as Harvard Business School, to simulate real world learning experiences.

The "topic" namespace contains pages that are for management and organization of small academic units at Wikiversity such as departments (see: Topics).

Department news

 * Date founded - Department founded!

Learning projects
See: Learning Projects and the Learning model.

Learning materials and learning projects are located in the main Wikiversity namespace. Simply make a link to the name of the learning project (learning projects are independent pages in the main namespace) and start writing! We suggest the use of the learning project template (use "subst:Learning project boilerplate" on the new page, inside the double curved brackets – ).

Learning materials and learning projects can be used by multiple departments. Cooperate with other departments that use the same learning resource.

Case studies
Here you can find sample case studies and analysis created by students of Wikiversity.
 * Analysis by Ray Shan based on Cases in Contemporary Strategy Analysis, Fifth Edition by Robert M. Grant with the guidance of Dr. Gwendolyn Lee ; including the following:
 * Laura Ashley Holdings - The Battle for Survival
 * The U.S. Airline Industry in 2004
 * Eastman-Kodak - Meeting the Digital Challenge
 * Organizing Restructuring within the Royal Dutch-Shell Group
 * Harley-Davidson Inc. in February 2004
 * Wal-Mart Stores Inc. in March 2004 I
 * Wal-Mart Stores Inc. March in 2004 II
 * Ford & the World Automobile Industry
 * Rivalry in Video Games
 * Birds Eye and the UK Frozen Food Industry
 * Euro Disney - From Dream to Nightmare, 1987-1994
 * Richard Branson and the Virgin Group of Companies in 2004
 * General Electric - Life After Jack
 * AES Corporation - Rewriting the Rules of Management
 * A View on the Evolution of MP3 Systems, 1999 - 2010

Remember, Wikiversity has adopted the "learning by doing" model for education. Lessons should center on learning activities for Wikiversity participants. We learn by doing.

Select a descriptive name for each learning project.

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User:Vuara/Thoughts on The Alphabet Effect

Thoughts on Logan's The Alphabet Effect by Dominic Yu 2003 January 3

In Chapter 3 ("A Comparison of Eastern and Western Writing Systems and Their Impact on Cultural Patterns") of Robert K. Logan's The Alphabet Effect, Logan claims that "the absence of Western-style abstractions and classification schemes in Chinese culture" (47), including such things as systematic logical reasoning, codified legal systems, and monotheism, is due to the fact that Western writing is alphabetic, whereas Chinese writing is not. In this essay, I will show that most of Logan's arguments are flawed, and that Logan's main points, although interesting, ultimately tell us little more than the fact that Chinese characters are complex.

Logan's basic premise, that Chinese characters are inherently less abstract than alphabetic characters, is incorrect. He states that "the alphabet is used phonetically to visually represent the sound of a word," whereas "Chinese characters are used pictographically to represent the idea of a word and hence are less abstract than alphabetic writing" (47, emphasis mine). However, this is an inaccurate description of Chinese writing. While there do exist characters which are historically derived from pictograms, all Chinese characters represent sounds, just as the symbols from all other writing systems in the world represent sounds. Moreover, the forms of Chinese characters have been revised and simplified so many times in the course of their development that the vast majority of them are no longer transparently recognizable (one would need the help of historical texts). Thus, the description of Chinese writing as "pictographic" applied to the standard characters that have been used for the last two thousand years or so is not appropriate. Take, for example, the character ?, representing the third person singular pronoun "ta". The left hand component, the "person" radical, indicates that this character vaguely has something to do with a person or people. I say "vaguely" because this is a very common radical is also used in characters such as ?, ?, and ?, meaning, "portion," "fake," and "to do," respectively. The right side is a phonetic component indicating that (at some earlier stage of Chinese), this character rhymed with ?, now pronounced "ye?." Nothing in this character indicates the idea of "third person singular pronoun." From this example, we can see that Chinese characters mainly represent sounds, and only represent ideas in a rather insignificant way. Thus, Logan's claim that Chinese characters represent the "idea of a word" is baseless.

In his first concrete example, Logan talks about the Chinese legal system, saying that Chinese law was not codified. While this may be a true statement, Logan provides no evidence that this has anything to do with the writing system. He only states that "the Chinese developed two concepts of law: 'fa' and li'" (50), and then proceeds to explain these two concepts. What he overlooks, though, is that this has nothing to do with the writing system; the number and/or types of concepts associated with any concept, including law, is independent of the writing system. The concepts develop, and people subsequently find ways of writing them down on paper. Indeed, concepts are borrowed from culture to culture throughout history; with the influence of Buddhism from India, for example, Chinese writing adapted by making up new characters or adapting old ones for new uses. Another example: many of the philosophers/thinkers of the Enlightenment in seventeenth century Europe, such as Leibniz and Voltaire, were inspired by Chinese philosophy. But I digress.

Next, Logan claims that "the Chinese ideographic script" was one of the "inhibitory factors to the growth of modern science" (54), for two reasons: first, the Chinese script has subliminal or hidden effects which are adverse to abstract scientific thinking; second, the alphabet, being a natural tool for classification, served as a paradigm for scientific classification (55). Logan gives absolutely no evidence to support the first claim. He merely lists, in his Table III (56), twelve characters, the scientific term in English that each character is supposed to represent, and a description of what the original symbol represented. For example, the character ?, meaning "to begin," is described as "a drawing of a woman and a fetus." Logan states:

an examination of the table reveals that even the most abstract scientific term must be rendered in a concrete form when it is written. This, no doubt, has had a subliminal effect on Chinese scientific thinking. (55)

As we have argued above, the forms of the Chinese characters in use for the last two thousand years can hardly be described as "concrete." In fact, I would guess that most readers of Chinese would not even think of the character for "begin" as being a drawing of a woman and a fetus (if indeed that is what it is; it seems like a simple phonetic to me, as it rhymes with things like ?, ?, and ?), and even if they had read elsewhere that that was what the character originally represented, their minds have better things to do than to dwell upon that fact every time they come across the character in their readings. Thus, in the spirit of the scientific method, I would suggest that the subliminal effect that Chinese characters have on scientific thinking is a topic to be investigated, rather than the foregone conclusion that Logan thinks it is.

Logan's second reason, that alphabetic writing served as a paradigm for scientific classification and therefore abstract scientific thought, also stands on shaky ground. First of all, Chinese characters can certainly be classified, in any number of ways: by radical, stroke order, stroke count, or even phonetically. In fact, the sheer number of them necessitates some sort of classification scheme. But even granted that the Chinese script is complex (e.g., it has been said that Chinese phone books are hard to use, and looking in a dictionary for a character which one does not know the pronunciation of can certainly bring up its own difficulties), we must first discuss a more fundamental issue, and that is the nature of modern science. Logan seems to think that classification is key to modern science. In fact, classification is a fundamental cognitive process, and humans have been engaging in it for millenia. What is unique about modern science, it seems to me, is not classification, but the entire process which we call the scientific method: observation, analysis, construction of a hypothesis, and testing of said hypothesis, which goes back to observation and analysis. Modern science is about building unified theories and models that help up explain and predict the world; it is not about classifying things into a set number of categories.

Logan's most ridiculous claim is that the development of monotheism was encouraged by alphabetic writing. (Indeed, there is no reason to think that polytheism vs. monotheism even falls into the concrete/abstract distinction that Logan makes, but this is beyond the scope of this essay.) Of the major religions practiced today, all three monotheistic ones—Judaism, Christianity, and Islam--can be said to be derived from the same source, the religion of the Israelites, which began, let's say, with Moses around 1300 BCE. This was several centuries before the Greek alphabet (the first true alphabet) was developed, around 1000 BCE. Note also that Greek religion was by no means monotheistic, even though their writing system was alphabetic. The other noteworthy monotheistic religion, Zoroastrianism, came about around 600 BCE in modern-day Afghanistan/Iran, where at that time they were still using cuneiform.

We have seen above that Logan's arguments about the impact of Chinese logographic writing on law, science, and religion are completely without basis. Moreover, Chinese characters, though complex, are not more concrete than alphabetic writing in any essential way, and certainly not pictographic, as he describes. The history of cultures and ideas is complex, with many different concepts and entities interacting. In view of this, the impact that the form of a writing system makes on concepts such as science, law, and religion must be very negligible indeed.

References Logan, Robert K. The Alphabet Effect. 1986. Smart, Ninian. The World's Religions. 1989.

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The result was Speedy keep. Nominator withdrawn and no votes for deletion. Cavarrone 09:49, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

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Searched and haven't been able to establish as Wikipedia-notable. Lachlan Foley (talk) 07:48, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep... by adding Morrissey's name in front of the title, just as it is on the DVD cover, I found quite a few reviews like the ones in Hollywood Reporter, The Guardian 8-24-13, The Guardian 8-22-13, The Telegraph, DVD Verdict, Digital Spy, Empire, New Noise Magazine and a few others,... all in the first page of my expanded search. WP:NF is easily met per WP:GNG and WP:NRVE. Let's fix it up, not delete it.  Schmidt,  Michael Q.'' 08:33, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
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Puzzles | Arithmetical puzzles | Hotel refund

Three men stop at a hotel. There's only one room left, so they agree to share. The desk clerk charges them thirty dollars, and they each give him ten dollars.

Later, the clerk realizes he's over-charged them by five dollars. He gives the bell-boy five one-dollar bills, and tells him to return the money to the three men. The bell-boy keeps two dollars for himself, and gives one dollar to each of the three men.

So, the men paid nine dollars each for the room, for a total of twenty-seven dollars. The bell-hop has two dollars, and that makes twenty-nine. What happened to the other dollar?

And another thing. Two men stop at the same hotel. There's only one room left, so they agree to share. The desk clerk charges them thirty dollars, and they each give him fifteen dollars.

Later, the clerk realizes that once again he has over-charged by five dollars. He gives the bell-boy five one-dollar bills, and tells him to return the money to the two men. The bell-boy, feeling slightly more daring, keeps three dollars for himself, and gives one dollar to each of the two men.

So, the men paid fourteen dollars each for the room, for a total of twenty-eight dollars. The bell-boy has three dollars, and that makes thirty-one. Where did the other dollar come from? And, no, you better not answer that it came from the first puzzle.

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Bertrand Arthur William Russell, 3rd Earl Russell was an influential British logician, philosopher, and mathematician, working mostly in the 20th century. A prolific writer, Bertrand Russell was also a populariser of philosophy and a commentator on a large variety of topics, ranging from very serious issues to the mundane. Continuing a family tradition in political affairs, he was a prominent liberal as well as a socialist and anti-war activist for most of his long life. Millions looked up to Russell as a prophet of the creative and rational life; at the same time, his stances on many topics were extremely controversial.

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Zachary Graumann (born December 20, 1987) is the executive director of Humanity Forward, the host of the Yang Speaks podcast and the former Campaign Manager for Andrew Yang's 2020 presidential campaign. He has been credited with "hacking the Democratic primary system" by helping to launch Andrew Yang, a previously unknown non-profit and business executive, into the national, public eye, outlasting six senators, four governors, three members of congress, and two mayors. According to CNN, their campaign "didn't just make history... [it] unquestionably put a sizable dent in the future as well." .

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Graumann grew between Buffalo, New York and West Hartford, Connecticut where he was active in both sports and musical theatre. He attended Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, where he studied public policy and was the student commencement speaker of his graduating class. He performed with the school's a cappella group, the Duke Pitchforks.

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Talk:Women's studies

= Founded = Welcome :) mehmetaergun 16:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

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Great!
I'm really happy to see this department! It's such a rich and urgent area of debate, discovery, learning.. Perhaps this department's participants could help to facilitate discussion within the wider Wikiversity community about women's (and, obviously, human) issues - it immediately recurs to me that one female participant has already expressed her frustration at perceived sexist language being used in the concept of the "education of man". But there's also so much more to discuss - all the best with your work (and if there's anything I can do to help, please don't hesitate to ask). Cormaggio 11:13, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi :) Thank you very much for your comments. And I strongly agree with you that the department may act both as a learning tool and as a tool to address issues of sexism that we encounter around. Women's Studies departments usually act as both political and educational institutions in the real life as well. As per your offer of help, I would always welcome any promotion of the department as I need people to take over the proposed and suggested courses :) mehmetaergun 18:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

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Just a reminder to anyone here who might be interested: the Wikipedia article Women's studies is, as of this writing, a near-stub and hostile to its topic. Help there would be welcome. - Jmabel 20:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Why?
"I think that academic learning needs to happen face to face, in a room with 'others', with whom one has to engage physically. This university as factory on the internet is seriously problematic.  Let us think of Donna Haraway's brilliant thoughts on the 'god-trick' of seeing everything from nowhere, and the domination of such phantasies of mastery (phantasies with material effects: militarization, colonialism, empire-building)."(source) -comment from <IP_ADDRESS>
 * From Wikiversity: "Wikiversity is a centre for the creation and use of free learning materials and activities. Its primary priorities and goals are to:
 * *Create and host a range of free-content, multilingual learning materials/resources, for all age groups in all languages
 * *Host scholarly/learning projects and communities that support these materials"

 * "Face to face" learning is expensive and not accessible for everyone. Materials used in face-to-face learning are proprietary / copyrighted / cannot be distributed freely by anyone / everyone and almost always in English (an issue which should be tackled later on, as we will have more materials and people, hopefully). Books, especially text books are grossly over-priced. I personally wanted this department as a counter-measure to the academia's resistance against making material free to use and distribute. I believe such a department is not only a good opportunity to teach a broader public about women's issues, but once truly initiated, it will also be a great resource for instructors who are looking for teaching methods, materials, class exercises and so on. Thanks mehmetaergun 16:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

 * We are trying to develop ways to allow Wikiversity participants to interact using audio and video. In the future we will not just be limited to text. --JWSchmidt 20:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

"Schools 'should teach feminism in the classroom'"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/education/2524252/Schools-should-teach-feminism-in-the-classroom.html Emesee 01:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

=inclusive title= The name of the department should either be changed to something along the lines of "Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies" (WGSX) or potentially split into subprograms to reflect diversity of content. Courses on Gender Studies, LGBT Studies, Feminist Studies, and Sexuality Studies are often stuck under the label "Women's Studies" though many address issues outside the scope of a single gender identity. Nicoleta 05:11, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

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I am looking to create a Wikipedia page for Zach Graumann. I worked for Zach Graumann on Andrew Yang's 2020 presidential campaign and am close friends with him.

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Justice Moise

Justice Moise may refer to:

 * Harold A. Moise (1879–1958), associate justice of the Louisiana Supreme Court
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Daniel Padilla videography screenshots

The result of the discussion was: Deleted - F ASTILY   05:30, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Daniel Padilla - MV Prinsesa.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Puchicatos ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

 * File:Daniel Padilla - MV Pangako Sayo.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Puchicatos ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

 * File:Daniel Padilla - MV I Got You (I Feel Good).jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Puchicatos ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

 * File:CHFIL.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Puchicatos ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

 * File:Daniel Padilla - MV Nasa Iyo Na Ang Lahat.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Puchicatos ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Decorative use of non-free video screenshots in Daniel Padilla videography. Non-free images used to illustrate individual entires in list articles are almost never allowed per WP:NFLISTS unless there is a really strong contextual reason for doing so to meet WP:NFCC. Like album covers, etc., these non-free images could possibly justified if they were used as the primary means of identification in a stand-alone article about the video itself, but a much stronger justification is need for use in a videography/list article such as this as explained in WP:NFC. Moreover, there are two freely licensed images of Padilla being used for general identification purposes, so a non-free cannot be used for that reason per WP:FREER. Suggest delete for all. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:08, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Murray Football League team jumpers

The result of the discussion was: Delete first, third and fourth file and remove second from Murray Football League. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:17, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Barooga Hawks Football Jumper.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by HeyJude70 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

 * File:Moama Football Club Team Jumper.gif ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by HeyJude70 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

 * File:Mulwala Lions Football Team Jumper.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by HeyJude70 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

 * File:Rumbalara Football Club Team Jumper.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by HeyJude70 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Non-free images of team jumpers being used in a decorative manner in Murray Football League. Unless it's possoble that some of these might be considered public domain, this type of use fails WP:NFCC and WP:NFCC. Using non-free images like this in tables is not really allowed per WP:NFTABLES because there is no sourced critical commentary or other discussion of the jummpers at all to provide the context required by NFCC#8. While it might be possible to justify the non-free use of such a file in a stand-alone article about the individual teams themselves, sourced discussion about the jumper/teams colors would need to be provided before these images can be moved to their team articles in my opinion.

Suggest delete for "File:Barooga Hawks Football Jumper.png", "File:Rumbalara Football Club Team Jumper.png" and "Mulwala Lions Football Team Jumper.png" unless somebody can figure out a way to properly incorporate them into the individual team articles in a manner that satisfies WP:NFCCP. Suggest remove for "File:Moama Football Club Team Jumper.gif" from the "Murray Football League" article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:44, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * delete for "File:Barooga Hawks Football Jumper.png", "File:Rumbalara Football Club Team Jumper.png" and "Mulwala Lions Football Team Jumper.png"; remove for "File:Moama Football Club Team Jumper.gif" from the "Murray Football League". Agree with basically everything that has been said in the original nomination. Although I do see a small amount of merit of including guernseys in league articles, these guernsey files can be uploaded with a much more simple style (i.e. just team colours) to meet either PD-shape or Australia and portray the same meaning in Murray Football League. Currently they aren't simple enough to be freely licenced and as such fail NFCC#8. Flickerd (talk) 08:31, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Back to the Future: Music from the Motion Picture Soundtrack

The result of the discussion was: Remove bannered one. Going by the last provided argument as it's uncontested. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:21, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Back to the Future Soundtrack A.PNG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Sarujo ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

 * File:Back to the Future Soundtrack B.PNG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Sarujo ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Both images have the same artwork for the Back to the Future soundtrack, yet one of them has the "Huey Lewis and the News" circle banner. Now that the soundtrack is notable per consensus at Talk:Back to the Future, I think we should keep one artwork and delete the other; I vote to keep the circle banner (if not sticker) version and delete the banner-less/sticker-less one because the former was used for initial and some subsequent releases. Of course, the banner-less version has perfection, but I can still go for the banner version. --George Ho (talk) 09:28, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Assuming that any differences between the two files other than the circle banner are negligible, I actually think the one without the banner should probably be kept. The circle label certainly isn't needed for the reader's understanding when a single sentence with links/citations to the article about "Power of Love" reaching #1 can be added to the article, so that doesn't seem to be a good reason for choosing that cover over the non-labled one. There is also certainly no need to include both per WP:NFCC, unless the circle label version was itself specifically the subject of sourced commentary in reliable sources at the time for some reason. The album was released at the beginning of July 1985 and the song did not hit #1 until late August 1985, so it seems that the cover without the banner had to come first, unless somebody at the record company was incredibly lucky or psychic. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:05, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

File:Bart Cassiman and Juan Muñoz.jpg

The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as G7 by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:02, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Bart Cassiman and Juan Muñoz.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by NG 1989 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphan NG 1989 (talk) 10:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Delete. Orphaned with no foreseeable encyclopedic usage.

File:James Bond cover.jpg

The result of the discussion was: Delete third image, punt the other to OTRS. Seems like there is clear indication that the third image isn't licensed, whereas the first and second are still in flux. ww2censor's comments need to be accounted for in any case. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 12:13, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * File:James Bond cover.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Obriens86 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

 * File:David Bowie Music Icons.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Obriens86 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

 * File:Hornby cover.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Obriens86 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

(OTRS agent): These images were primarily created by Buckingham Covers, a stamp/memorabilia company, and contain reproductions of UK stamps. An OTRS ticket<PHONE_NUMBER>006926 was received from the creators which released the images into the public domain. However, the UK stamps within the images are copyrighted property of Royal Mail, who governs the conditions of their use in a manner that permits use for specific purposes (though strictly non-commercial) and prohibits derivatives. So even though the attempted release into the public domain was confirmed by OTRS, the (a) size of the reproduction and the (b) significance of the copyrighted material as almost main subjects of the works themselves, means that the images cannot be properly considered to be public domain works. The authors are not legally able to release the Royal Mail components into the public domain, and the components present in the images have restrictions that are incompatible with our requirements for freely licensed media. seb26 (talk) 04:31, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Delete: When I first tagged these for speedy deletion it was on the basis that Royal Mail stamps are copyright for 50 years per crown copyright, so due to their prominence the image were a copyvio. It would have surprised me if Royal Mail really relinquished their rights to a stamp dealer to allow commercial and/or derivative use of their stamps. For these 3 images to be kept we really require an additional OTRS release from Royal Mail. Besides which there are some other issues with these 3 images: who was the photographer of the background image on the Bowie image and where is their release, and has the Hornby logo been released freely because it is likely non-free considering the low threshold of originality in UK. ww2censor (talk) 10:08, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * This is a valid point about the Bowie imagery. A public domain release is the decision with the most significant legal consequence in comparison to all other copyright arrangements. It is highly unlikely that the record label for that album donated all exclusive rights to Royal Mail for that album cover, and that is exactly what would be required of Royal Mail if they were to properly designate their stamps as public domain. They most likely purchased a limited license to use the album on their stamps, key word there being limited, with no ability to relicense and donate the work entirely. However, the OTRS ticket as I mentioned above does *not* in its current state have any clear words from Royal Mail saying they *did* release anything into the public domain, only that Wikipedia was permitted to display them. Of course, that is not sufficient for our needs. For the record, I posted this ticket on the OTRS noticeboard a few days before nominating but I will try to get the attention of another OTRS agent to cross check its contents. seb26 (talk) 00:54, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * I am currently waiting on a reworded permission from Royal Mail. If you're still not happy I will re-upload the images with the stamps not visible
 * That will be a better solution. Royal Mail does not appear to be in a position to declare public domain for David Bowie album covers or James Bond comic book covers so whatever permission they send is not likely to be legally acceptable for us. seb26 (talk) 14:55, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * The image File:James Bond cover.jpg does not now appear to be a problem but there are issues with the other two. Who is the photographer of the background photo used in File:David Bowie Music Icons.jpg and where is the evidence this image has been released freely. For File:Hornby cover.jpg, who designed the train labels and where is the copyright release for those labels. Additionally, has Hornby released their logo into the public domain as UK copyright will still consider this to be above the threshold of originality due to the low level UK accepts. Maybe the logo is old enough to be in the public domain but that must be determined to keep this image. Without answers to the 2nd and 3rd image we really need more details otherwise they should be deleted. ww2censor (talk) 12:39, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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File:James-Treble.jpg

The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:06, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * File:James-Treble.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Pikkio66 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Copyright issues. Deleted on Commons and failed undeletion request there.

 * commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Pikkio66
 * commons:Commons:Undeletion requests/Archive/2017-08 2001:2003:54FA:2F79:0:0:0:1 (talk) 09:17, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

An aclaimed free file exists at commons:File:Designer James Treble.jpg, but it's being nominated for deletion for personality rights reasons. 2001:2003:54FA:2F79:0:0:0:1 (talk) 09:19, 26 August 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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File:USCaratese.png

The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by AnomieBOT ⚡  08:05, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * File:USCaratese.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by 718 Bot ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This media is hosted locally under fair use, but I am only seeing simple textual elements, and the equivalent media at commons was considered to simple for copyright protection to apply. I am querying why this local version is not replaceable with the commons hosted one. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:52, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
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 * Seems to fall below TOO and would suggest deleting here in favour of Commons version. Commons however doesn't cover Italy in its Threshold of originality guide so perhaps relicense to PD-ineligible-USonly instead of deleting might be more appropriate. Salavat (talk) 01:44, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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File:LADbible-logo.jpg

The result of the discussion was: Relicense local version to PD-USonly. Prudentiary US-only given the UK copyright business. What Commons does with its version is their business. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:24, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * File:LADbible-logo.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Clevered ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This media is currently locally hosted under fair use. I am only seeing textual elements, and the equivalent media at Commons is under a free license (which  is easily amended to pd-textlogo). I am therefore querying why this logo needs to be hosted locally under "fair-use". ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:47, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
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 * Almost certainly mis-labeled. However given it is a UK based business it might not be eligible for Commons. Maybe relicense to PD-ineligible-USonly and then challenge the Commons based file. Salavat (talk) 01:38, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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File:DocuSign logo new.png

The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 17:10, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * File:DocuSign logo new.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by MountainMan11 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Media is currently licensed under a non-free rationale, but the equivalent media at Commons was considered too simple for copyright. I am therefore querying why the local copy apparently needs to be fair use. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:42, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
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 * Relicense to pd-logo and delete local file in favour of Commons file. Salavat (talk) 01:40, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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File:One of our aircraft.JPG

The result of the discussion was: Delete  Hut 8.5  20:46, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * File:One of our aircraft.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Bzuk ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Non-free file issue - Our article on the film One of Our Aircraft Is Missing uses two non-free images: File:One of Our Aircraft poster.jpg, which appears to a poster from the theatrical release of the film in 1942, and this file, which is a modern DVD cover. The DVD artwork is presumably recent, but it may include period components. Does the use of two non-free images break the Minimal number of items criterion of WP:NFCCP? If so I suggest that we remove this DVD cover image.

This file has been nominated for deletion before, when the result of the was 'No consensus'. However the earlier the discussion did not address the Minimal number of items criterion. Verbcatcher (talk) 02:32, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

 * To clarify "The DVD artwork is presumably recent ...", the artwork is actually the original poster that was used for advertising the film, and the main reason for its retention, and that rationale is clearly stated in the caption. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:39, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete - The use of this DVD cover with original poster art work does not meet WP:NFCC. There is no discussion about the poster in the article.  -- Whpq (talk) 20:24, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - The DVD cover fails WP:NFCC since there is already a film poster used to identify the film in the infobox and fails WP:NFCC because there is no commentary about the DVD cover thereby doing nothing to increase the reader's understanding of the film and its exclusion is not detrimental to the understanding of the film. Aspects (talk) 00:42, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

File:Town magazine covers 1960s.jpg

The result of the discussion was: keep. Soft keep, if you will. Arguments in favour of keeping appear convincing (for now at least). Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:31, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Town magazine covers 1960s.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Philafrenzy ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Fails WP:NFG since it's a gallery of multiple covers. Fails WP:NFCC since there already is a different cover in the infobox. Fails WP:NFCC since the FUR isn't for the article in which the file is used. Stefan2 (talk) 20:09, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Changed to single images from montage. FUR rationale fixed to point to the right article. The different covers were chosen to illustrate the publication history of the magazine which moved from hand drawn covers in the 50s to photographic in the 60s to sexualised imagery in the late 60s as discussed in the article. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:48, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

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File:Town magazine covers 1967.jpg

The result of the discussion was: keep. Soft keep, if you will. Arguments in favour of keeping appear convincing (for now at least). Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:31, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Town magazine covers 1967.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Philafrenzy ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Fails WP:NFG since it's a gallery of multiple covers. Fails WP:NFCC since there already is a different cover in the infobox. Fails WP:NFCC since the FUR isn't for the article in which the file is used. Stefan2 (talk) 20:09, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Changed to single images from montage. FUR rationale fixed to point to the right article. The different covers were chosen to illustrate the publication history of the magazine which moved from hand drawn covers in the 50s to photographic in the 60s to sexualised imagery in the late 60s as discussed in the article. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:48, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

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File:CriminalMindsPromo.jpg

The result of the discussion was: no consensus. WP:NPASR applies. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:52, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
 * File:CriminalMindsPromo.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by LAW CSI ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

BU Rob13's original rationale for using di-disputed fair use rationale: "Not used in the infobox, so the purpose of use is invalid." I discussed the request at with him, declined the speedy deletion request per discussion, and then am taking the image to this venue instead. I will say keep this image because it helps readers understand the whole show, including one part of the show: the characters of the show. --George Ho (talk) 22:17, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
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 * I still don't think this serves a purpose in context within the text that's significantly different from File:Criminal Minds at Paley.jpg. The caption of the image names the cast members and is used to depict the cast, not their characters. Further, they're not in character in this picture; they're just wearing FBI vests. It's a simple cast photo, and there are free alternatives to that. ~ Rob 13 Talk 03:24, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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File:SavannahSquares.jpg

The result of the discussion was: relisted on. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:54, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

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Images on Stitch's Great Escape!

The result of the discussion was: Delete only the second image. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:55, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Stitch& ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by StitchPedia ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).
 * File:Stitch @ SGE.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by StitchPedia ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Does anyone know if photography is allowed on this ride? (Stitch's Great Escape!?) If so, these images fail WP:NFCC. Steel1943 (talk) 18:59, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Nominator comment: In case there is an absence of participation here, consider me neutral on whether or not these images should be deleted. Steel1943  (talk) 19:05, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Here's a relatively old photo of the ride's warning sign (or an earlier version thereof), which does not mention anything about photography. I should note that the page where I found the photo has only one photo of the show theater itself, presumably before the ride actually starts as it shows empty seats, so it could be assumed that it's not during the show proper. (Considering that there are moments of total darkness so the Stitch Audio-Animatronic can be moved in and out of the theater via elevator platform for his "escape", it's logical that flash photography wouldn't be allowed to preserve the illusion.) Either way, I don't exactly know for sure. –WPA (talk) 01:53, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

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 * Not sure about the relevancy of what the ride allows, but these photos would need to be fair use (if they need depiction at all, based on the text) as the focal point of the photo—the costume—is copyrighted czar  06:30, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Nominator comment: In that case, it would probably be better to keep File:Stitch's Great Escape!.jpg over the other since the costume does not appear as focused in that photo. Steel1943  (talk) 19:46, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

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File:Navifon Screenshot.JPG

The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F9 by AnomieBOT ⚡  08:05, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Navifon Screenshot.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Superstasusa ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Application may be free, but the image shown contains a (C) NAVTEQ message at the bottom.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:52, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
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File:Ralink RT2500 chipset 802.11 54Mbps adapter.jpg

The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:06, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Ralink RT2500 chipset 802.11 54Mbps adapter.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by L33th4x0r ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

License conflict, I fail to see how this is GPL as it's not source code or a screenshot. Maybe the uploader meant GFDL, and mis-tagged? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:59, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
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File:Ganjamarsh.jpg

The result of the discussion was: relisted on. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:56, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

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File:One Piece, Volume 1.jpg

The result of the discussion was: relisted on. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:03, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

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File:Lady R Churchill.jpg

The result of the discussion was: Keep Nthep (talk) 15:54, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Lady R Churchill.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Giano ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned "keep local" file. ~ Rob 13 Talk 21:23, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * "Orphaned keep local file" is not grounds for deletion. Editors such as Giano often create and/or upload images well in advance of their use in articles. We should not be dictating to our content creators timescales for their work, nor insisting that they must subscribe to watchlisting their images on another site (Commons) to keep track of them. --RexxS (talk) 23:54, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTWEBHOST explicitly says we do not keep materials not used in encyclopedia or project-space articles indefinitely, . That image has been floating around the File namespace since 2005, which is part of the reason I nominated it. ~ Rob 13 Talk 05:32, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Is it possible that the file was being used, but was removed? If it was being used and the removal was fairly recent, it could be that it was removed in error. If the file was being used, but removed quite some time ago and still was not re-added somewhere else, then the case for keeping an unused file locally is not as strong. If there's no intent to use the file locally, then there's no reason to store it locally, If the uploader is truely concerned about having their files somehow deleted/damaged by Commons (as quite a few editors seem to be), they can keep their own copy somewhere on their own computer, can't they? -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:22, 21 September 2017 (UTC); [Note: Post edited by me (Marchjuly) to add the word "not". Doing so affects the meaning of the post, but this what I intended to write. Sorry, for any confusion caused. -- 00:28, 22 September 2017 (UTC)]
 * Actually, WP:NOTWEBHOST explicitly says "File storage areas. Please upload only files that are used (or will be used) in encyclopedia articles or project pages; anything else will be deleted." So your assertion is complete and utter bollocks. There is no deadline for editors to make use of uploaded images. Your only recourse to WEBHOST is to argue that a file is not used (or will not be used) in encyclopedia articles or project pages. Are you seriously trying to tell us that this image of Lady Randolph Churchill - the mother of Winston Churchill - was not intended by Giano to be used in a article? Give us a break. --RexxS (talk) 22:06, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Intent has nothing to do with NOTWEBHOST. It's whether we're ever going to get action. NOTWEBHOST makes clear that the timeline is not indefinite, so what is the definite timeline you recommend? Do you mean to say it's reasonable to host an image serving no encyclopedic purpose for over a decade? If this FfD resulted in the image being used in an article, then it's had a positive impact, and I'm more than happy with that outcome. ~ Rob 13 Talk 23:09, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Of course intent has everything to do with WEBHOST. The words "files that are used (or will be used) in encyclopedia articles" speak precisely to intent. Do you have difficulty understanding English? Giano uploaded the file not to have Wikipedia host a nice picture, but to have it available to use in an article, of course. Don't you realise you're impugning one of our finest content contributors? No, you don't get to tell him how long we may have to wait for it to be used: as long as there is intent or opportunity to profitably use the image, it doesn't matter if we wait two decades - what's your rush? What do you think is the point of WEBHOST? A bureaucratic mechanism to justify throwing out encyclopedic material after a "best-by date"? or a sensible policy that limits images to those of potential encyclopedic content? The cornerstone of WEBHOST is usability, not time since upload, and the sooner you grasp that, the sooner we can disengage from these unwarranted deletion nominations. --RexxS (talk) 23:22, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * "Will be used" and "is intended to be used" have quite different meanings, but I'm done talking to you if you're going to resort to personal attacks. ~ Rob 13 Talk 23:24, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You mean you can't see that when Giano uploads a file so that it will be used in an article, he intends it to be used in an article? If those sort of semantics are the only defence you've got for your disgraceful nomination, it's a good job you've decided to shut up. Law of holes certainly applies. --RexxS (talk) 23:34, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Comment: On one hand, we do have WP:NOTREPOSITORY, but on the other hand special consideration does (did?) seem to be given to editors (expecially established editors with a history of uploading image files) who request that a local copy be kept on Wikipedia for various reasons. I say "did?" because there used to be specific wording in WP:MTC#What not to transfer which directly touched on that which has been removed from the current version of the page with this edit by . The only thing I found on the page's talk page was Wikipedia talk:Moving files to Commons/Archive 1, but that dates back to 2005. Maybe this has been discussed more recently, but on another page? Anyway, I'm not exactly sure why that particular a paragraph was removed so perhaps Fastily can clarify. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:50, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * "": a) in an effort to simplify/make the MTC page easier to understand and because b) like you said, it's a consideration practiced by some, and by no means a formal guideline/policy. I think FfD is absolutely the proper venue for this sort of discussion.  -  F ASTILY   01:14, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. FWIW, I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, I just remember that section from a previous FFD (Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 October 20) and found it no longer there when I went to check. I also think FFD is fine for discussing this particular file. I was just wondering if there was another page where removing the "keep local" paragraph might have been discussed besides the MTC talk page. Anyway, if anyone wants to re-add the paragraph to WP:MTC, they should discuss it on the talk page.-- Marchjuly (talk) 05:41, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Note: a previous FFD resulted in no consensus due to disagreement over the interpretation of keep local. Deryck C. 11:38, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Now used at Lady Randolph Churchill. Don't know why it wasn't before - a useful balance to all the pics of her at the height of her beauty. Johnbod (User talk:Johnbod) 14:41, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Johnbod. D4iNa4 (talk) 15:38, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It's because a higher-resolution version of it exists at File:Jennie Churchill.jpg, imported from the German Wikipedia sometime later than the upload of this file. I propose that we should migrate to Commons and link as an alternative to the higher-resolution version. Deryck C. 10:57, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * sounds good to me. Johnbod (talk) 12:28, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

 * It says that this file is in the public domain in the United States by virtue of having been published before 1923. When was this first published? Was the photo created for the purpose of being published, or was it created as a family photo which wasn't published until a lot later? The source URL only mentions a publication of unknown age: Kings, Court and Society: Recollection of a Veteran. Elsewhere on the page, it says that the photo was 'acquired' in 1989. Was it published before that? If not, then the United States copyright runs for 120 years from creation (or until the end of 2047 if the first publication was between 1989 and 2002). --Stefan2 (talk) 02:03, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It seems very unlikely that the photo was taken "as a family photo which wasn't published until a lot later" as the companion photograph taken at the same sitting was published in 1900 by The Sketch. --RexxS (talk) 14:54, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

File:Mwasiti Almas.jpg

The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F9 by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:02, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Mwasiti Almas.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Saleh Gadau ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Professional photos are copyright of the photographer. – Train2104 (t • c) 23:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

File:Tom Stevenson.jpg

The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:06, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Tom Stevenson.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Rajhayer13 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Doubtful own work. – Train2104 (t • c) 23:21, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

 * No reason to doubt - a reverse image search didn't match anything. It's linked from a draft BLP so the author probably knows the subject. But the article is declined, so if the draft gets abandoned we can delete this as orphan. Deryck C. 11:26, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The image has EXIF data with the copyright and copyright holder fields set to "Andy Lane". The uploader's user name gives no hint that they are this person.  OTRS confirmation would be needed. -- Whpq (talk) 11:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

File:Namboothiri Vidyalayam Upper Primary School.jpg

The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:06, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Namboothiri Vidyalayam Upper Primary School.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])  – uploaded by Kaitha Poo Manam ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Uploader is claiming to be the copyright holder. However, compare to the image in this page. The web page image takes in a slightly larger area. The uploaded image has had the colour changed and one can see the blur in areas of the image where the www.chattuvatom.com watermarking has been removed as well as editing artifacts from the use of a cloing tool to remove the scooter from the image. Whpq (talk) 23:49, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: EXIF data indicates Photoshop was used which could explain the apparent clean up. The question then is whether we should treat this as a blatant copyright violation or something lacking permission. If it's an obvious copyvio, the file probably should be tagged per WP:F9 instead. If it's possible that the uploader might be the copyright holder, then maybe tag it with npd and give them five days (instead of a 7-day FFD) discussion to verify. The image can be seen previously published online prior to it's upload so maybe using c:COM:OTRS as a guide could work here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:35, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I listed this instead of using F9 because I didn't feel that the copyright violation fell into blatant or clearcut. -- Whpq (talk) 12:05, 21 September 2017 (UTC)