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Younis Mahmoud

Younis Mahmoud Khalaf (يُونُس مَحمُود خَلَف; born 3 February 1983)  is an Iraqi former professional footballer who played as a forward for the Iraq national football team and is currently the second vice-president of the Iraq Football Association. One of the country's greatest ever players, Mahmoud captained the team for ten straight years and became an icon of Asian football. He also played for a number of clubs including teams in Iraq, UAE, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, winning three Golden Boots in Qatar and breaking numerous records.

Mahmoud's first official international goal was an equaliser in the 89th minute of the final of the 2002 WAFF Championship, which Iraq then went on to win in extra-time. Three years later, Mahmoud scored in the final of the 2005 West Asian Games to lead his team to another tournament win, before becoming the national team captain a year later. In 2007, Mahmoud achieved the best honour of his career, leading his country to win the 2007 AFC Asian Cup, their first such success, scoring the winning goal in the final and also winning the Golden Boot and Most Valuable Player awards at the tournament. In the 2007 Ballon d'Or, Mahmoud finished in 29th place, becoming the only Iraqi player ever to be nominated for the Ballon d'Or.

Mahmoud played in all three of Iraq's 2009 FIFA Confederations Cup matches and scored in the final of the Arabian Gulf Cup in 2013, before retiring in 2016 as the most-capped player in Iraq's history and their third-highest goalscorer ever. He is also the only player in history to score in four different (and consecutive) AFC Asian Cup tournaments, with one goal in 2004, four in 2007, one in 2011 and two in 2015.

Early career
Mahmoud started out as a basketball player, playing as a shooting guard for the Kahrabaa Al-Dibis basketball team. The team's football coach, Muwafaq Nouraddin, persuaded him to switch to football as there was more money involved in football in Iraq, so Mahmoud joined Shaabiya Al-Dibis and then began playing for Kahrabaa Al-Dibis football team in the fourth division of Iraqi football. He became a regular player for the side.

Kirkuk
In 1999, Mahmoud moved to Kirkuk's biggest team, Kirkuk FC, and scored his first league goal for Kirkuk in Round 8 of the 1999–2000 Iraqi Premier League (then known as the Iraqi First Division League) in a 3–0 win over Al-Kadhimiya. He scored a penalty kick in Round 12 in a 6–1 loss against Al-Diwaniya and scored two goals in Round 13 in a 2–2 draw with Al-Ramadi. His fifth goal came in a 1–1 draw with Al-Naft in Round 35 (although the result was changed to a 3–0 defeat due to the fielding of an ineligible player), and he scored again in Round 39 in a 1–0 win over Al-Karkh. Kirkuk failed to qualify for the 2000–01 Iraqi Premier League (then known as the Iraqi Elite League) and therefore played in the second-tier, but they managed to get promoted back to the top division at the first time of asking by winning the league, with Mahmoud being the second-highest scorer of the second-tier with 19 goals. At Kirkuk, he was discovered by scouts of Baghdad-based teams Al-Shorta and Al-Talaba, two of Iraq's biggest clubs, and he went on trial with Al-Shorta only to be turned down by their manager Ahmed Radhi. After this, Mahmoud transferred to Al-Talaba.

Al-Talaba
Mahmoud's first match for Al-Talaba was the opening game of the 2001–02 Iraqi Elite League against his former club, Kirkuk. Al-Talaba won the match 8–0 and Mahmoud scored a hat-trick. Mahmoud won his first trophy with the club when Al-Talaba defeated Al-Zawraa 2–1 in the 2001 Baghdad Day Cup; Mahmoud scored Al-Talaba's second goal in the game. Al-Talaba's penultimate league game of the season was a 2–0 win over Al-Karkh, with Mahmoud scoring both of Al-Talaba's goals. This match secured Al-Talaba their fifth league title, as they won the league with 91 points; Mahmoud scored 13 goals in the league that season. Al-Talaba also won the Iraq FA Cup that season to secure the double. Mahmoud scored 6 goals in that competition and assisted the winning goal in the final. That season, Al-Talaba also reached the final of the Umm al-Ma'arik Championship, but they lost the final 1–0 to Al-Shorta; Mahmoud scored 4 goals in that competition.

Mahmoud's Al-Talaba started the 2002–03 campaign by winning the 2002 Perseverance Cup (now known as Iraqi Super Cup) 2–1 against Al-Quwa Al-Jawiya. The Iraqi Elite League was renamed 'Iraqi First Division League' for the 2002–03 season and Mahmoud scored 13 goals in the league that season before it was cancelled due to war. Al-Talaba won the Iraq FA Cup again and also lost the Umm al-Ma'arik Championship final to Al-Shorta again. They also played in the 2002–03 AFC Champions League but were knocked out at the group stage; Mahmoud scored 2 goals in that tournament, both against Turkmen club Nisa Aşgabat.

While an Al-Talaba player, Mahmoud also represented the Iraq Police team in the 2002 Arab Police Championship, a competition for Police teams in the Arab world, along with the rest of the Iraq youth team players. Iraq Police won all 4 matches they played and they conceded only 1 goal in the tournament. They won the competition finishing 7 points ahead of the 2nd-placed team. It was the 5th time that Iraq won the Arab Police Championship in its history.

Al-Wahda
After the start of the Iraq War in 2003, football in Iraq was put on hold, so Mahmoud moved to Abu Dhabi club Al-Wahda in October. He scored in the 2004 AFC Champions League in a 3–0 win against Iraqi club Al-Quwa Al-Jawiya. A few months into his spell, he got into a verbal argument with the club's manager, Rinus Israël, who subsequently refused to play him in any matches from there on.

Al-Khor
After the 2004 AFC Asian Cup, Mahmoud joined Qatar Stars League club Al-Khor with his compatriots Haidar Jabar and Qusay Munir. In the 2004–05 Qatar Stars League, Al-Khor finished in 3rd place and Mahmoud scored 19 goals, the 3rd-highest amount in the league. He broke three records in one game in an 8–0 victory over Al-Shamal. Having scored 6 goals in the match, he became the only player to have scored two hat-tricks in a single league match. He also scored the fastest goal in a league match, taking 30 seconds to score after the game had started. Furthermore, he was the only player that season to score three goals in each half against two different goalkeepers. He assisted in the two other goals in the match. Al-Khor were knocked out of the 2005 Emir of Qatar Cup at the quarter-final stage, losing on penalties to Al-Sadd after a 2–2 draw in which Mahmoud scored. Al-Khor won the Qatar Crown Prince Cup though with Mahmoud scoring 4 goals in that competition including 2 goals in the final which Al-Khor won 2–1.

Al-Khor finished in a disappointing 7th position in the 2005–06 Qatar Stars League, but Mahmoud scored an impressive 20 league goals, the 2nd-highest amount in the league. They were again knocked out at the quarter-final stage of the Emir of Qatar Cup and Mahmoud scored 2 goals in that competition.

Al-Gharafa
Mahmoud transferred to Al-Gharafa in 2006 and he would stay there for the next 5 years. Al-Gharafa finished as runners-up of the 2006–07 Qatar Stars League, and Mahmoud's 19 goals saw him take the Golden Boot award for the first time in his career. Al-Gharafa were runners-up of the Qatar Crown Prince Cup and Mahmoud scored 1 goal, in the semi-final. They were knocked out of the Emir of Qatar Cup in the semi-final, and Mahmoud scored 1 goal, in the quarter-final.

Mahmoud started the season by winning the 2007 Sheikh Jassim Cup and scoring 2 goals in the final, both in extra-time. Mahmoud won his first Qatar Stars League title in 2007–08 and scored 16 league goals, the 4th-highest amount in the league. Al-Gharafa lost the final of the Qatar Crown Prince Cup, with Mahmoud scoring 2 times in the semi-final. They also lost the final of the Emir of Qatar Cup, and Mahmoud scored 3 goals in that competition including 1 in the final. Al-Gharafa were knocked out of the group stage of the 2008 AFC Champions League and Mahmoud scored 1 goal in that competition.

Al-Arabi
Mahmoud joined Al-Arabi at the start of the 2008–09 season on loan and won the Sheikh Jassim Cup with the club. He scored 2 league goals for Al-Arabi in the 2008–09 Qatar Stars League.

Return to Al-Gharafa
Mahmoud returned to Al-Gharafa midway through the season and scored 1 goal for them in the 2008–09 Qatar Stars League, as they were crowned the league champions again. He played in the Qatar Crown Prince Cup but Al-Gharafa lost the semi-final to Qatar SC. However, they won the 2009 Emir of Qatar Cup and Mahmoud scored 3 goals in that competition.

Mahmoud won the league title for the third straight time with Al-Gharafa in this season, and he scored 21 goals which earned him the Golden Boot award again. He scored 4 goals in the 2009 Sheikh Jassim Cup, where Al-Gharafa were knocked out in the semi-finals, and 3 goals in the 2009 Qatari Stars Cup (including 2 in the final) which Al-Gharafa won. In the 2010 Qatar Crown Prince Cup Final, Mahmoud scored 2 goals to lead Al-Gharafa to yet another cup win. Al-Gharafa were knocked out of the 2010 Emir of Qatar Cup at the quarter-finals, and the 2010 AFC Champions League (in which Mahmoud scored 4 goals) at the quarter-finals too.

His campaign started off with the 2010 Sheikh Jassim Cup where Al-Gharafa were knocked out at the group stage; Mahmoud scored a hat-trick in a 5–0 win over Al-Markhiya in that competition. In the 2010–11 Qatar Stars League, Al-Gharafa finished in second place and Mahmoud won the Golden Boot award for the third time, with 15 league goals. Al-Gharafa were knocked out at the group stage of the 2010 Qatari Stars Cup, but they won the 2011 Qatar Crown Prince Cup and lost the final of the 2011 Emir of Qatar Cup (where Mahmoud scored 1 goal in the quarter-final). In the 2011 AFC Champions League, Al-Gharafa were knocked out at the group stage, where Mahmoud scored a hat-trick against Al-Jazira.

Al-Wakrah
In 2011, Mahmoud signed for Al-Wakrah, who had finished in 7th place in the league the previous season. Al-Wakrah were knocked out of the 2011 Sheikh Jassim Cup at the group stage, and they finished in 7th place again in the 2011–12 Qatar Stars League; Mahmoud scored 8 goals in the league. Mahmoud earned his first honour with Al-Wakrah when they won the 2011 Qatari Stars Cup, with Mahmoud scoring 1 goal in the semi-final (and also missing a penalty). In the 2012 Emir of Qatar Cup, Al-Wakrah lost the quarter-final to Mahmoud's future club Al-Sadd.

Al-Wakrah were knocked out at the group stage of the Sheikh Jassim Cup again in 2012. Mahmoud scored 8 league goals for Al-Wakrah this season. They were knocked out at the group stage of the 2012–13 Qatari Stars Cup.

Al-Sadd
On 8 February 2013, days after Al-Wakrah were knocked out of the Qatari Stars Cup, Mahmoud signed for Al-Sadd, joining until the end of the 2012–13 season. He made his league debut on 11 February 2013, in Al-Sadd's 3–0 win over Al-Sailiya. Mahmoud scored 2 league goals for Al-Sadd in the 2012–13 season and Al-Sadd won the league as Mahmoud achieved his fourth Qatar Stars League title. Mahmoud equalled Nasser Kamile's record for goals in the Qatar Crown Prince Cup after scoring against Al-Rayyan in the semi-final on 26 April. He scored what would be his 10th goal, tying him with Kamile, who participated in the tournament since its inception in 1995. Mahmoud went on to score in the final of that competition too, but Al-Sadd lost the match 3–2 to Lekhwiya SC. Mahmoud also scored in the semi-final of the 2013 Emir of Qatar Cup, and Al-Sadd reached the final, only to lose it 2–1 against Al-Rayyan.

Al-Ahli
On 16 September 2013, Mahmoud signed for Saudi Professional League side Al-Ahli, signing a 4-month contract with the club. He made his league debut on 23 September 2013, in Al-Ahli's 5–1 win over Al-Nahda, scoring Al-Ahli's opening 2 goals. Just over a month later, he scored his 3rd (and final) goal for the club in a 5–2 victory over Al-Shoulla. Younis ended his contract 2 weeks before the official end of it.

Erbil
In February 2015, after the 2015 AFC Asian Cup, Mahmoud returned to Iraq to play for Erbil, but only in AFC Cup games, because he did not want to compete in the Iraqi Premier League against his former club Al-Talaba. On 15 April, he made his debut for the club against FC Ahal and scored 2 goals in the match (a header and a Panenka penalty), but could not prevent his side from being defeated 3–2 in the game. He was given the captain's armband for Erbil's next AFC Cup match against FC Istiklol, but the game finished goalless and Erbil crashed out of the tournament at the group stage.

Al-Talaba
On 12 September 2015, Mahmoud returned to play for his former club Al-Talaba. He was given the captain's armband and the number 9 shirt and he scored 3 goals in the 2015–16 Iraqi Premier League (against Al-Karkh, Al-Samawa and Naft Al-Wasat) as Al-Talaba finished the league in 3rd position (their highest league position for 6 years). At the end of the season, Mahmoud announced his retirement from football.

Ballon d'Or nomination
Younis Mahmoud is the only Iraqi player in history to have made the Ballon d'Or shortlist, when he finished 29th in 2007. In that year, he was the only outfield player who did not play in European clubs among players of the list, and was the only Asian player to get points. Kaká won the Ballon d'Or that year, while Mahmoud earned two points, finishing ahead of 21 world-renowned players including the likes of Samuel Eto'o, David Beckham and Robin van Persie.

International career
In March 2002, while many were questioning his temperament and lack of experience, coach Adnan Hamad named Mahmoud in his squad for Iraq's training camp in Italy and gave him his first start against Serie B club Cagliari Calcio and he later went on to score. Mahmoud's full international debut was against Syria in a friendly in Baghdad on 19 July 2002. His 1st goal came in the final of the 2002 WAFF Championship in the 89th minute to take the game to extra-time, where Iraq won through Haidar Mahmoud's golden goal. In his next match for Iraq, a 2004 AFC Asian Cup qualifier, he scored 4 goals against Bahrain and then went on to score a hat-trick against Malaysia. He scored 6 goals for the Olympic team in the 2003 Prince Abdullah Al-Faisal Friendship Cup, including a hat-trick against Al-Nassr and the only goal in the final against Morocco, as Iraq won the cup. His achievements in 2003 saw him get nominated for the Asian Young Footballer of the Year.

He was part of Iraq's 2004 Olympic Games qualifying squad and scored goals against Oman and Kuwait as Iraq managed to qualify. Mahmoud scored 1 goal in the 2004 Asian Cup against Saudi Arabia, and in the Olympic Games finals, Iraq finished in 4th place and Mahmoud scored 1 goal, against Portugal. Iraq participated in the 2005 West Asian Games and Mahmoud scored 3 goals in the tournament, including a goal in the final which Iraq went on to win to claim the gold medal. In 2006, Iraq participated in the Asian Games and reached the final but lost to Qatar; Mahmoud scored 3 goals in the tournament. In 2006, Mahmoud became the Iraq captain, taking over from Razzaq Farhan.

2007 was one of the best years of Mahmoud's career; he scored 1 goal in the 2007 WAFF Championship where Iraq finished as runners-up, and he scored 4 goals in the 2007 AFC Asian Cup including the winning goal in the final as Iraq won their 1st ever Asian Cup. Mahmoud won the top scorer award and the MVP award in the tournament, and nominated for the 2007 Asian Footballer of the Year award and the 2007 Ballon d'Or, becoming the first Iraqi player in history to be nominated for the prestigious Ballon d'Or award. 2 years later, he won his final trophy for Iraq, the 2009 UAE International Cup, and that year he also participated in the 2009 FIFA Confederations Cup, playing all 3 of Iraq's games.

He scored in his 3rd consecutive Asian Cup tournament with a goal against Iran in the 2011 AFC Asian Cup. Mahmoud scored 7 goals in qualification for the 2014 FIFA World Cup but Iraq finished bottom of their group in the final round and failed to qualify. At the start of 2013, Iraq participated in the 21st Arabian Gulf Cup and Iraq finished as runners-up; Mahmoud scored 2 goals in the tournament including Iraq's only goal in the final: a 2–1 defeat to the United Arab Emirates after extra-time. Mahmoud led Iraq to qualify for the 2015 AFC Asian Cup by scoring 4 goals in the qualifying rounds including 2 goals in the decisive match against China. He participated as one of Iraq's overaged players in the 2014 Asian Games and he scored 4 goals in the tournament as Iraq won the bronze medal. In the 2015 Asian Cup, Iraq finished in 4th place and Mahmoud scored 2 goals (against Palestine and Iran which saw him become the only player to score in 4 consecutive Asian Cup tournaments). On 28 March 2015, Iraq played a friendly match against DR Congo and the match saw Mahmoud become Iraq's most-capped player of all-time. Mahmoud continued to be a key player for Iraq during their 2018 FIFA World Cup qualifying campaign and he scored 4 goals in Iraq's group including a free-kick against Chinese Taipei to send Iraq to the final round. He announced his retirement from football on 23 August 2016. Overall, Mahmoud scored 57 goals in 148 international matches.

Famous international matches

 * 24 March 2002 – Iraq 1–4 Cagliari Calcio (Scored on his debut for Iraq but this was not an international match)
 * 7 September 2002 – Iraq 3–2 Jordan (a.e.t.) (Iraq were losing 2–1 to Jordan in the final of the 2002 WAFF Championship; in the last few minutes, Mahmoud was substituted onto the field and scored his first international goal in the 89th minute to send the match to extra time, and because of it Iraq won their first WAFF Championship)
 * 15 August 2003 – Iraq 1–0 Morocco (Scored the winning goal in the final of the Prince Abdullah Al-Faisal Friendship Cup)
 * 8 October 2003 – Iraq 5–1 Bahrain (Scored 4 goals (including a lob and a 20-yard strike), the most he scored in a single international game for Iraq)
 * 12 August 2004 – Iraq 4–2 Portugal (Scored 1 goal and played a big part in two others as Iraq pulled off one of the best victories in their history at the Olympics)
 * 10 December 2005 – Iraq 2–2 Syria (6–5 on PK) (Scored Iraq's 2nd goal in the West Asian Games final with a first-time half-volley from outside the box)
 * 11 October 2006 – Iraq 4–2 Singapore (Scored 2 goals to help Iraq qualify for the 2007 AFC Asian Cup; the 1st one was a solo goal where he dribbled past 3 players and nutmegged another, and the 2nd goal was a long-shot from nearly 30 yards out)
 * 6 December 2006 – Iraq 4–0 Malaysia (Scored 2 goals in the same minute at the Asian Games)
 * 21 July 2007 – Iraq 2–0 Vietnam (Scored within 65 seconds of the start of the Asian Cup quarter-final and also scored the 2nd goal from a free-kick)
 * 29 July 2007 – Iraq 1–0 Saudi Arabia (Scored the winning goal in the final of the 2007 AFC Asian Cup to win Iraq their first Asian Cup)
 * 18 January 2013 – Iraq 1–2 United Arab Emirates (a.e.t.) (Scored in the final of the 21st Arabian Gulf Cup to send the match to extra time)
 * 20 January 2015 – Iraq 2–0 Palestine (Became the 1st player to score in 4 different Asian Cups – 2004, 2007, 2011, 2015)
 * 28 March 2015 – Iraq 2–1 DR Congo (Broke the record for most international caps for Iraq, overtaking Hussein Saeed)
 * 17 November 2015 – Iraq 2–0 Chinese Taipei (Assisted the 1st goal with a cross after beating 2 players, before scoring his last ever goal for Iraq with a free-kick from 25 yards out)
 * 29 March 2016 – Iraq 1–0 Vietnam (his last match for Iraq)

Panenka penalties
Mahmoud is known for his frequent use of the Panenka penalty. He has performed this type of penalty in both club and international games on a total of 7 occasions.

Controversy
In March 2004, Younis Mahmoud got into a scuffle with the Iraqi coaching staff led by German Bernd Stange, who left his position after the match. He was angry at the coach after being left on the bench until the 74th minute of the draw against Palestine at the 2006 FIFA World Cup qualification.

Personal life
Younis Mahmoud is an Arab Sunni Muslim. He has married three times. His younger brother Omar Mahmoud is also a footballer.

Charity

 * After becoming the top scorer in the Qatari Stars League for the 2006–07 season, he earned $100,000 as a reward from the Qatar Football Association, which he donated to build a mosque in his home town of Kirkuk.
 * After winning La Gazzetta dello Sport's Facchetti award, he won a cheque for €10,000, which he donated to an Iraqi charity.

Career statistics

 * Scores and results list Iraq's goal tally first, score column indicates score after each Mahmoud goal.

Honours

Kirkuk
 * Iraqi First Division League: 2000–01

Al-Talaba
 * Iraqi Premier League: 2001–02
 * Iraq FA Cup: 2001–02, 2002–03
 * Iraqi Super Cup: 2002

Al-Khor
 * Qatar Crown Prince Cup: 2005

Al-Gharafa
 * Qatar Stars League: 2007–08, 2008–09, 2009–10
 * Emir of Qatar Cup: 2009
 * Qatar Crown Prince Cup: 2010, 2011
 * Sheikh Jassim Cup: 2007
 * Qatari Stars Cup: 2009

Al-Arabi
 * Sheikh Jassim Cup: 2008

Al-Wakrah
 * Qatari Stars Cup: 2011–12

Al-Sadd
 * Qatar Stars League: 2012–13

Iraq
 * WAFF Championship: 2002
 * West Asian Games: 2005
 * AFC Asian Cup: 2007

Iraq Police
 * Arab Police Championship: 2002

 Individual
 * Qatar Stars League top scorer: 2006–07, 2009–10, 2010–11
 * AFC Asian Cup most valuable player: 2007
 * AFC Asian Cup joint top scorer: 2007
 * Asian Footballer of the Year nominee (2nd place): 2007
 * Ballon d'Or nominee (29th place): 2007
 * Premio internazionale Giacinto Facchetti: 2007
 * Soccer Iraq Team of the Decade: 2010–2019

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Limusaurus

 * Nominator(s): FunkMonk (talk) 22:09, 17 August 2020 (UTC), Jens Lallensack (talk) 22:09, 17 August 2020 (UTC), Lythronaxargestes (talk) 22:09, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

This little dinosaur may seem inconspicuous, but there are many interesting aspects to it. All known specimens were found stuck in what appears to have been mud pits formed by the footprints of giant dinosaurs (which gave it its name). while it had teeth when juvenile, these were entirely lost as it grew up, a feature only known from a few other animals. Adults appear to have been herbivorous, though it belonged in a group of otherwise carnivorous dinosaurs. In addition, its unusual hands were also thought to have implications for bird evolution, but this idea has fallen out of favour. The article was originally brought to GA by Lythronax, and Jens and I have since built further on this solid skeleton for FAC, so the entire literature about the animal should be covered here. FunkMonk (talk) 22:09, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Support from Gog the Mild
I intend to claim points for this review in the WikiCup.

 * Caption: "Block containing holotype (green), gastroliths (red), assigned specimen (blue), and a crocodyliform (purple)". Should that be 'Block containing the holotype (green), gastroliths (red), an assigned specimen (blue), and a crocodyliform (purple)'?
 * Took your wording. FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "It underwent a drastic morphological transformation as it aged; while juveniles were toothed". I think that semi colon should be a colon.
 * Done. FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "which is also confirmed". Suggest deleting "also".
 * Done. FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "As in most dinosaurs, the skull featured five principal fenestrae (openings), including". I am not sure that "including" is the right word when you go on to list all five. Perhaps replace "including" with a colon?
 * Done. FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "which is also unique for this genus". Do you mean 'which is also unique to this genus'?fs
 * Yes, changed. FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "had three fingers (the middle three, as compared to the five fingers of more basal relatives)". Optional: move the closing parenthesis to after "three".
 * Done, much more elegant. FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * Link "robust" to Robustness (morphology).
 * Done. FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "The third finger only had three phalanges". Optional: A) 'The third finger also only had three phalanges' B) insert a comma after "phalanges".
 * Done. FunkMonk (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * Optional: Wiktionary link to "stout".
 * Added. FunkMonk (talk) 18:58, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "Unique for the genus"> Again, I think that 'to' would express your meaning more clearly.
 * Changed. FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "Another unique feature, the hallux (the first toe or dewclaw) was reduced". This doesn't really work. Maybe 'The hallux (the first toe or dewclaw) was reduced, another unique feature,"? Or 'Another unique feature was the hallux (the first toe or dewclaw), which was reduced.'? Or whatever.
 * Your first suggestion is correct, took it. FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "The only known specimen of Elaphrosaurus itself". Delete "itself". (What else would it be?)
 * Removed. FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "during the Middle/Late Jurassic period". Optional: → 'during the Middle and Late Jurassic'.
 * Added "to". FunkMonk (talk) 18:58, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "Along the lineage that led to birds, however, the number of digits in the hand decreased"> Does the "however" add anything?
 * Removed. FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "which includes birds, two digits had disappeared from the hand, leaving three digits." Optional: delete the second "digits".
 * Done. FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "due to not receiving the necessary signals". I think that this either needs further explanation (possibly a footnote?) or deleting.
 * Hope it is understandable now. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:44, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "The major alternative hypothesis supported by Xing and colleagues," A) "major" → 'main'? B) comma after hypothesis?
 * Done. FunkMonk (talk) 18:58, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "The divergent developmental pathways of ceratosaurians and tetanurans is associated with". "is" → 'are'. (Or "pathways" → 'pathway'.)
 * Changed to "are". FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "tetanurans utilized their hands for grasping, while the hands of ceratosaurians almost certainly played no role in predation." This makes the assumptions that "grasping" only occurs when grasping prey, and that a reader would understand this. Perhaps a bit of tweaking?
 * fixed. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:46, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

More to follow. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:15, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will have a look soon, pinging my co-nominators and . FunkMonk (talk) 19:48, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "Wang and colleagues analyzed". Suggestion: let the reader know when this was.
 * Added. FunkMonk (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "growth had ceased in these particular individuals" I am not sure that "particular" adds anything.
 * Removed. FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "the most extreme case of tooth morphology changing with age among dinosaurs". Do we need a 'known' or 'recorded' somewhere in there?
 * Added "recorded among dinosaurs". FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "(the others are the red mullet and striped red mullet, several armored catfish, and the platypus)" Could we make this a separate sentence?
 * Done. FunkMonk (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "genetic developmental signal pathways". Is there any way of making this a little more accessible?

 * "the small head with toothless jaws and long neck were interpreted as". When?
 * Added date. FunkMonk (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "gastroliths (stomach stones)". I know that you have Wikilinked, but perhaps expand the bracketed explanation? '(stones ingested to be used to grind fibrous vegetable matter in an animal's stomach)' or similar.
 * Added. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:29, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "in old adults". Possibly 'in older adults'?
 * fixed. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:29, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "the increased amount of gastroliths". "amount" → 'number'.
 * Done. FunkMonk (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "trapped on any other basis than size". Optional: maybe 'trapped on any basis other than size'?
 * Done. FunkMonk (talk) 18:58, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "but it is yet unknown whether". Is there a missing 'as'?
 * fixed. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:29, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "sedimentary rocks that was deposited". "was" → 'were'.
 * Changed, though I think "was" may have referred to "a succession". FunkMonk (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * Any chance of a map to show where Xinjiang is within China? Ideally, also Shishugou Formation. Personally I like the two in Shishugou Formation.
 * I made a new map that specifically shows the Wucaiwan locality (based on another published map showing an adjacent fossil locality). FunkMonk (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "Contemporaries of Limusaurus in the Wucaiwan locality include the theropods Haplocheirus, Zuolong, and Guanlong, the latter of which is, like Limusaurus, frequently found in mud deposits; the sauropod Mamenchisaurus; the ornithischians Gongbusaurus and Yinlong; the cynodont Yuanotherium; the mammal Acuodulodon; the crocodyliforms Sunosuchus, Junggarsuchus, Nominosuchus and an unnamed species associated with the holotype specimen of Limusaurus; and the turtles Xinjiangchelys and Annemys." The section after the semi colon is not grammatical.
 * disentangled. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:47, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "The high abundance of Limusaurus indicates that the abundance of small theropods". Would it be possible avoid "abundance" twice in seven words> Possibly replace the first with 'incidence' or whatever?
 * Took incidence. FunkMonk (talk) 18:58, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "The high abundance of Limusaurus indicates that the abundance of small theropods is underestimated elsewhere as these animals are generally less likely to fossilize." Is this universally accepted? It seems a bold statement to make in Wikipedia's voice.
 * Added "According to Eberth and colleagues". FunkMonk (talk) 18:58, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "in the article by Eberth and colleagues" → 'in the XXXX article by Eberth and colleagues'?
 * Added year. FunkMonk (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've also added a bit more context, authors and dates to other studies with this edit. FunkMonk (talk) 22:34, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "range in depth from 1–2 m (3 ft 3 in–6 ft 7 in)" For clarity, consider changing the em dashes for the word 'to'.
 * done. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:29, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "laminae": is there a link? If not, perhaps an in line explanation?
 * Added link. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:29, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "Guanlong, would merely have been 66 cm (26 in) tall" → 'Guanlong, would have been merely 66 cm (26 in) tall'.
 * Done. FunkMonk (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "could have led to soil liquefaction, creating a trap for smaller animals". Why might soil liquefaction create a trap? (Rhetorical question.)
 * Fixed, hopefully. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:29, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "much larger individuals likely got stuck in a highly viscous sediment and got preserved in their original death positions". Second "got" to 'were' or 'became'.
 * Changed to became. FunkMonk (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "four theropod dinosaur skeletons including two Limusaurus, two Guanlong and one individual of a not yet described species". I make that that the four skeletons included five individuals.
 * Oh yeah, fixed. FunkMonk (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "low sediment cohesivity". What that?

That's it from me. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:18, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've gone through some issues, but I'll need my co-nominators to help with other parts in sections I didn't write. FunkMonk (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, many thanks for the detailed review. I think everything should be fixed now? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:44, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

That is nearly all looking good.

 * "Xu and collagues replied in 2011 that they still a step-wise shift more plausible" There is a word missing; or possibly several. And a spelling error.
 * Fixed both. FunkMonk (talk) 23:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "Wang and colleagues analyzed growth rings (visible in bone cross-sections and analogous to the growth rings of trees) of the tibiae from the various developmental stages of Limusaurus in 2917". :-) Probably not.
 * We're dealing in millions of years here, how much difference do a few centuries to or from make... Fixed, hehe. FunkMonk (talk) 23:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "resulting in smaller animals such as Limusaurus to get stuck". Grammar. Maybe 'resulting in smaller animals such as Limusaurus getting stuck'. Or (better, IMO) 'which resulted in smaller animals such as Limusaurus becoming stuck'.
 * Took the latter suggestion. FunkMonk (talk) 23:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 * "suggest low sediment cohesivity". I think that "low sediment cohesivity" is going to sail over the heads of most readers.
 * I think Jens knows it best, so I'll leave this tasty morsel for him (oh, and you forgot to sign the nomination, Jens!). FunkMonk (talk) 23:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think we loose too much if we just call it "soft mud". Changed accordingly. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:32, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Gog the Mild (talk) 22:57, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, much of those were my late night, half asleep additions from yesterday, should now be fixed, except the last one... FunkMonk (talk) 23:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Tell me about it :-) . All good. Just the cohesivity issue outstanding. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:00, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, last issue fixed now! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:32, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Comments Support from LittleLazyLass (Lusotitan)
Given the triple nomination, there's less WP:DINO folks available to review, so I might as well chip in.
 * Thanks, yeah, that's always a danger, we're a bit low on manpower in the FAC department... FunkMonk (talk) 08:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 * The skull section seems rather lopsided in terms of paragraph size, and as far as I can tell the information is not conveyed in any particular order (notice, for example, information on the jaws spread all across the section instead of collected together). It seems to me that about half of the section is spent talking about fenestrae, so why not put all that in one paragraph and then the rest of the info in the second? It would balance things out and make it feel more organized. Merely a suggestion, but I thought it would be worth bringing up.
 * It follows the order "Cranium" (first paragraph) and "Lower Jaw" (second paragraph). The lower jaw does not belong to the cranium, that's why I thought it should go into a separate paragraph. Teeth are discussed at the very end since this is the usual order followed in the literature. We could, however, make three paragraphs out of it ("Fenestrae", "other cranial autapomorphies", "lower jaw"), would that improve things? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 07:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No, what's there is fine now that it's been explained. I just didn't appreciate the logic of the order.  Luso titan  (Talk | Contributions) 07:28, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 * I would suggest renaming "Classification" to "Classificiation and evolution", because I don't think the current title really encompasses "Digit homolgy" very well.
 * good point, fixed. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 07:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 * it was often considered an ornithomimosaur from 1928 and well into the 1990s - I'm not sure what "and" is doing there, "from 1928 well into the" seems to convey the intended meaning in a clearer fashion.
 * fixed. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 07:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Together with an as-of-yet unnamed taxon represented by specimen CCG 20011 (formerly assigned to the tetanuran Chuandongocoelurus, and not included in other analyses), the three taxa formed the clade Elaphrosaurinae - this should say "the two taxa", since "the three taxa" is referring to the aforementioned taxa. The current wording implies three taxa plus CCG 20011.
 * fixed. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 07:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure the part "(formerly assigned to the tetanuran Chuandongocoelurus, and not included in other analyses)" is really needed here, thoughts? FunkMonk (talk) 08:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This info could be useful, but I also think that there is excessive detail that makes the sentence convoluted and difficult to read; I would support simplification and remove this. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I would likewise say to cut it; while it's technically background info, it's just an incorrect classification, so it communicates no relevant info about what this specimen actually is.  Luso titan  (Talk | Contributions) 21:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Removed for now. FunkMonk (talk) 23:29, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 * which Rauhut and Carrano used to extrapolate the complete length of the former taxon at 6.0–6.3 m (19.7–20.7 ft). - it seems reasonable to note that Limusaurus clarified the position of Elaphrosaurus, but I think talking about the size of said relative is digressing a bit too much - how exactly is this passage relevant? I would cut it.
 * yes, done. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 07:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I added it because Limusaurus was the "key" to a more accurate size estimate after so many years of uncertainty, and because it is interesting to note how much larger it was. FunkMonk (talk) 08:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, fair enough then. If you go to User:Lusotitan/sandbox you'll find a slightly restructured version of the section with the statement re-inserted. I changed the wording a bit to put more focus on how it was the size estimate was made possible by the discovery of Limusaurus. The purpose of the restructuring was to place the sentence in the first paragraph. While it may seem intuitive to place it with the other info from the same paper, I think it fits better to talk about its impact on our knowledge of Elaphrosaurus right after we introduce the idea that they're related, as opposed to in the middle of the paragraph about them moving to Noasauridae. It also happens to balance out the paragraphs quite nicely. No obligation to follow this, you could just put it back in like it was, but I thought it was worth making the suggestion.  Luso titan  (Talk | Contributions) 21:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, the way the section is written is chronological, study by study, though, so it seems kind of misplaced to have this info upfront when it wasn't even considered or had an impact until 2016. Putting it at the beginning would make it look like it was conclusions already made in the 2009 description of Limusaurus. Also, I'm a bit uncertain about saying "the closely related Elaphrosaurus" already at the beginning of the section, because though the 2009 paper made comparisons between the two, it did not yet consider them "close relatives", as far as I can see. FunkMonk (talk) 23:29, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * They found the two to nest together in a cladogram in the supp. info; and your version already says they're related, it's just that you do it in parentheses. If you think that keeping it strictly chronological is better (I disagree) than that's fine, as I said it was just a suggestion.  Luso titan  (Talk | Contributions) 00:37, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I added it back with your new wording. FunkMonk (talk) 23:39, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

 * The cladogram below shows the position of Limusaurus within Noasauridae according to Wang and colleagues, 2017: - pretty big concerns with this; first of all, neither tree appearing in the paper shows such a cladogram. Both instead show Deltadromeus, Genusaurus, and Velocisaurus as noasaurines. One of them also shows Spinostropheus as an elaphrosaurine, which seems like a very relevant detail to include in this section.
 * I'm not sure when this cladogram was added, but it would seem there are also newer ones we could use, anyone have suggestions for what would be the best, most inclusive one to add? FunkMonk (talk) 08:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The cladogram is in the supplementary information of the paper, the last one (including both juvenile and adult Limusaurus as seperate taxonomic units). But this also makes that cladogram unusual, and its difficult to declare why we use this and not one of the other versions presented. Let's just use the cladogram published in the recent Huinculsaurus paper instead, I can include it later today. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 09:03, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Replaced the cladogram. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * In restructuring the section you misplaced the reference for the Wang et al. paper; reference four should be included at the end of this sentence: significantly through growth. A 2019 study by.  Luso titan  (Talk | Contributions) 21:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Added back. FunkMonk (talk) 23:29, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 * (continuing from the above point) Why is the cladogram restricted down to just Noasauridae? Retaining the original extent that also shows "Ceratosauridae" and abelisaurs would be more informative, and it isn't like it would be much larger anyways. As is it's just a tiny polytomy that is barely useful at all. Related suggestion, the "Etrigansauria" paper could be sourced used instead, being a similar but more recent tree; you could perhaps go for a paired cladogram format to show both theories as to whether Noasauridae or Ceratosauridae is closer to Abelisauridae.
 * The "Etrigansauria" do not seem to get much support however, the paper seems to reflect a minority opinion, and therefore maybe is not the best choice. Let's just go for the most recent cladogram. They are usually restricted to Noasauridae though, so not sure if we can "expand" them without violating WP:Synth? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 09:13, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd also say that the wider interrelatiobships of Ceratosauria aren't that important here, maybe if it had been in Noasaurus, which is more important for the history of the clade. FunkMonk (talk) 09:16, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The cladogram you've gone with seems agreeable.  Luso titan  (Talk | Contributions) 21:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 * In a similar vein to the lack of mention of potential relative Spinostropheus, the recently described Huinculsaurus was found as an elaphrosaurine so is also worthy of mention in this section.
 * Huinculsaurus is mentioned now; what makes Spinostropheus more relevant than the other unmentioned noasaurids? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * One of the trees from Wang et al. (2017) found it within Elaphrosaurinae, so it seems to me relevant to include a (very brief) mention that it's a possible member of the group.  Luso titan  (Talk | Contributions) 21:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the hint, Spinostropheus is now mentioned. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 19:47, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Biologist Josef Stiegler and colleagues stated in a 2014 conference abstract that Limusaurus is the earliest known toothless theropod - the original description paper of Limusaurus says this as well, so it seems preferable to cite it to that, where one can assume Stiegler got that fact from in the first place.
 * I can't find this in the 2009 paper? It says it's toothless, yes, but not the earliest known, as far as I can see. FunkMonk (talk) 22:11, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , all other points should now be addressed, but neither one of us could find this specifically mentioned. FunkMonk (talk) 07:39, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the paper's statement Limusaurushas a fully developed rhamphotheca. Amongnon-avian theropods, this condition has been previously reportedonly in some Cretaceous coelurosaurs8, so this new find extendsthe distribution of rhamphothecae within theropods both temporallyand phylogenetically., but in hindsight saying it has a fully developed beak is a bit different from saying it's toothless.  LittleLazyLass  (Talk | Contributions) 18:54, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok, but of course, a beak does not preclude teeth... FunkMonk (talk) 19:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

 * The most basal theropods had five digits on the hand. - this phrasing seems awkward, wouldn't "on each hand" be a less clunky way of saying this?
 * OK, but we must make clear that we are talking about manual digits, not pedal digits. "five digits in the hand" or "five digits in the forelimb" maybe? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 07:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The former sounds good to me.  Luso titan  (Talk | Contributions) 07:28, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * done. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 09:13, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 * by the emergence of the group Tetanurae - I would probably link the word "Tetanurae"; it was done earlier in the article but that way back in the lead and this is a term meaning nothing to a layman reader.
 * did that. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 07:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 * and has been used by paleornithologist Alan Feduccia to support the hypothesis that birds are descended not from theropods but from some other group of archosaurs which had lost the first and fifth digits. - are BANDits really so significant that they specifically are worth giving specific mention to amongst "200 years of debate"? It has no bearing on anything else in the section. I'd cut this passage.
 * Not sure, I think a bit of background is usually a good idea, and this is perhaps the most significant discussion related to the digit homology thing. But will see what my co-authors think. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 07:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Since he was the most vocal proponent of this idea, and is respected in ornithological circles, we can't really leave out mention of him just because we disagree with his ideas, per WP:NPOV. He was not exactly David Peters. FunkMonk (talk) 08:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Feduccia is certainly relevant to the LDR/BDR hypotheses, and thus Limusaurus. Nevertheless, I think we should clarify the sentence to make it clear that the BANDit hypothesis is a fringe theory at best. Perhaps it can be rewritten as "to support the fringe hypothesis that birds..." Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 17:31, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call it fringe, but maybe we can add "now widely refuted" or something similar to make clear that this hypothesis is a minority opinion? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 * That would also be good. Fringe is just a nice way of saying pseudoscience anyways. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 20:36, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I guess my main issue was that it's brought up but nothing else in the section ever comes back to it. In other words, it's relevant to the topic of the section but not to anything in the section, if that makes sense. It would be nice if there could be some resolution later about how Limusaurus provided evidence against this, but sources probably don't give anything to work with there. I won't pursue the issue further since how significant it is is rather subjective; it's inclusion or not has no bearing on me supporting or opposing.  Luso titan  (Talk | Contributions) 21:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * But we'd need reliable sources stating that his ideas in this particular context (digit homology) are fringe or pseudoscience, which I don't think exist. It was legitimate, peer-reviewed science, but the conclusions reached from it have fallen out of favour, which the article already states in the intro and with these sentences in the article body: "and therefore have no bearing on the issue of avian digit homology", "and is unconnected to the pattern of digital reduction and frameshift that occurred in tetanurans". But what I think we need instead to counter the statement "to support the hypothesis that birds are descended not from theropods but from some other group of archosaurs" would be to see if one of the relevant articles directly refutes this part, stating that birds more likely evolved from theropods. I'm not familiar with that part of the literature used here, but we can have a look. FunkMonk (talk) 23:29, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, I added a counterclaim sourced to this multi-authored paper, so that it now reads: "to support the hypothesis that birds are descended not from theropods (wich is the mainstream view on bird origins) but from some other group of archosaurs" What do you guys think? FunkMonk (talk) 23:39, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I tried to make it its own sentence, but it looks a bit tacked on: "The mainstream view of bird origins among paleontologists is that birds are theropod dinosaurs." But I think the source is good for what we want to say, it can be arranged any way we like. FunkMonk (talk) 00:19, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

 * The Saltriovenator description paper had quite a bit to say that's relevant to the digit homology section, so I think it's worth incorporating that into the section here. At the very least, Figure 15 of the paper seems like it would fit wonderfully into the section.
 * This is of course an important paper to include. Added now. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:54, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I still think the image would do well to be included, but it's not a deal breaker of course.
 * Whoops, I completely missed the good suggestion about the image, now added, of course! I moved the more general arm diagram up to description instead. Also spelled out Cristiano Dal Sasso and linked him. FunkMonk (talk) 19:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I would move the arm diagram to the left side; it goes against the direction of the image but having four images in a row be on the same side always look a bit awkward if you ask me.  LittleLazyLass  (Talk | Contributions) 20:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that's reasonable. Moved. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 20:58, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I layed it on pretty heavy for that Classification section, so I'll stop here for the moment.  Luso titan  (Talk | Contributions) 00:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Thanks for reviewing! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 07:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the classification section was also the hardest to get into shape. FunkMonk (talk) 08:33, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Juveniles began with one tooth in the premaxilla, eight in the maxilla, and eleven in the lower jaw (42 teeth in total) - I think some explanation of the math might be needed, this is quite confusing. I'm assuming the logic is that this is per side, so maybe swap out "in the premaxilla" for "in each premaxila" and so forth. But that still only makes 40 teeth, is one of the numbers here wrong?
 * It should be "at least 12" in the dentary, not sure what happened here. Corrected. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 20:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

 * At the next stage, the first, sixth, and eighth teeth in the maxilla, as well as the sixth in the lower jaw had all been lost (34 teeth in total), although the sockets were still present, and there was a small replacement tooth in the socket of the sixth lower toot - I would move the total number of teeth to the end of the sentence, since I was quite confused at how eight teeth were lost but the total only went down six until I read the bit about the replacement teeth.
 * Done. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 20:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Perhaps the growth and diet sections could be combined? The latter is a singular paragraph and it builds off the section before it, even referring directly to the mullet and catfish comparison. This is another "just a suggestion" comment.
 * There is a detailed description of Limusaurus on the way I just learned, so I'm sure these sections will both grow a lot when that's out, so I think it's easier to keep them as they are, as the structure will be ready. FunkMonk (talk) 19:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah - ah. That's unfortunate. Where did you hear this? Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 20:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you can bring it over to WP:PALAEOPR once new research comes around.  LittleLazyLass  (Talk | Contributions) 20:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The current citation 19, a conference abstract which is a precursor to a coming article (it says so). And yeah, PR was also a good place to get a new look on the expanded Ankylosaurus FAC (still there if anyone has comments). FunkMonk (talk) 21:18, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Scratch that, I think I may have conflated that abstract with this statement in the Elaphrosaurus paper: "Further possible apomorphies of this clade that are currently unknown in Limusaurus, pending a more complete description of this taxon". But the level of information in that abstract certainly implies something bigger is underway. FunkMonk (talk) 21:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

 * I likewise wonder if the social behaviour section would feel too out of place in the taphonomy section alongside the preservational information it builds off of.
 * I think we also need to consider where the reader would look for such info, and it probably wouldn't be under taphonomy. FunkMonk (talk) 19:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, good point.  LittleLazyLass  (Talk | Contributions) 20:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Paleontologist Rafael Delcourt agreed in 2018 that assemblages of associated Limusaurus and Masiakasaurus specimens suggests these small ceratosaurs lived in groups. - this could be easily misunderstood as saying that Limusaurus and Masiakasaurus were found associated with each other, I think some re-wording is necessary.
 * Yeah, tried with "since both Limusaurus and Masiakasaurus have been found in assemblages of multiple specimens each, this suggests these small ceratosaurs lived in groups", better? FunkMonk (talk) 19:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me.  LittleLazyLass  (Talk | Contributions) 20:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

That's about all I can find to comment on, good work.  LittleLazyLass  (Talk | Contributions) 18:54, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Okay, things seem in order now. I will pledge support for promotion.  LittleLazyLass  (Talk | Contributions) 20:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, a lot of improvements came out of it! FunkMonk (talk) 21:18, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Comments by Dudley

 * You imply that there is only one species in the genus but this should be spelled out.
 * Done. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 21:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

 * "Limusaurus was the first known member of the group Ceratosauria from Asia. Along with its closest relative, Elaphrosaurus, it was a member of the family Noasauridae, a group of small and lightly built abelisaurs." This is difficult to relate to the classifications in the infobox. If I understand correctly, Limusaurus and Elaphrosaurus are genera of the group Ceratosauria, an unofficial classification which is part of the Elaphrosaurinae sub-family. These are all part of the family Noasauridae, which is part of the abelisaurs super-family, which is mentioned in the text but not in the infobox. Is it possible to make this clearer?
 * The hierarchy is Ceratosauria > Abelisauria > Noasauridae. I have reworded this sentence but I'm not sure it is an improvement. In particular, I cut out Abelisauria entirely. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 21:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

 * "which has implications for the evolution of birds, though this has been contested." You first state the implications as fact, then as contested, then in the intro to the FAC as out of favour.
 * Reworded. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 21:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

 * "probably corresponded to a dietary shift from omnivory to herbivory" This does not seem logical as most herbivores have teeth.
 * Not so in dinosaurs, where many herbivorous lineages modified their dentition into beaks. Indeed, even fewer carnivores lack teeth. I don't think your assumption is a common one. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 21:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

 * "The tip of its jaws was covered by a beak, a feature that was previously unknown in theropods more basal (or "primitive") than coelurosaurs". It may be me but I am not clear what this means. Are you saying that there are theropods which are less basal than coelurosaurs which also have beaks?
 * The group of theropods "less basal than coelurosaurs" is just the coelurosaurs, so yes. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 21:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This still seems to me confusing as you only explain later under 'Classification and evolution' that Limusaurus was more basal than the coelurosaurs. Indeed, its basal status seems to be disputed, although the discussion is difficult for a layman to follow. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:44, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Reworded. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:59, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

 * "Of the pelvis, the ilium was small and tilted towards the midline of the body, as is the case in Elaphrosaurus" "Of the pelvis" sounds odd and seems unnecessary. Why not "The ilium was small"? Also there is a change in tense with "was small" and "is the case".
 * The opening lays out that the paragraph pertains to the pelvic girdle and legs, so it is relevant. Reworded. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 21:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

 * More to follow. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:04, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice that this review was going so I'll take some of these comments. Responses soon. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 21:28, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

 * "Limusaurus is one of the only known jawed vertebrates where teeth are completely lost during growth." "one of the only known" is confused. Do you mean "one of the few known"?
 * Changed. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:56, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

 * "Limusaurus is one of the only known jawed vertebrates where teeth are completely lost during growth. The other known examples are the red mullet and striped red mullet, several armored catfish, and the platypus. Its complicated pattern of losing teeth from both the front and the back is most similar to that of the avialan Jeholornis." You say that the only parallels are in fish and mammals, and then that the closest parallel is in avialans. This seems contradictory. Perhaps worth saying that this is convergent evolution?
 * There are two issues here: total tooth loss and the pattern of tooth loss. Reworded to note the difference. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:56, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Image label: "Restoration of two Guanlong and a Yinlong, contemporaries of Limusaurus in the Shishugou Formation". "Restoration" is the wrong word "Artist's impression" would be better.
 * Restoration/reconstruction is the common term for illustrations of prehistoric animals (paleoart), used both in technical and popular works. In any case, "impression" would imply the artist had observed the animals, and I have never seen that term used in relevant sources. FunkMonk (talk) 15:01, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

 * A climate consistently dry with wet summers seems a contradiction.
 * Reworded to "relatively". It can be drier than other environments overall but still wetter during the summer. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:56, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

 * You say that Limusaurus was in a layer 14-16 inches thick, and then that one of the mud pits containing specimens was 21 ft higher in the stratigraphic column than the others.
 * I think there is a mistake. According to the source the former should be 350–400 metres thick. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:56, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

 * The article is sometimes difficult to follow for a layman, but this is common for technical articles. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:44, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. Looks fine now. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, certainly helps to get a "layman" review for clarity! FunkMonk (talk) 13:03, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Coordinator notes
I've requested an image and source review. -- Laser brain  (talk)  21:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * All images seem like they are in a good section. Is the licence of File:Wucaiwan locality.jpg shown somewhere? File:Limusaurus size.png doesn't give the source images. Is File:Limusaurus-skull-diagram.png really an own work and freely licenced? No ALT text as far as I can see. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks!
 * File:Wucaiwan locality.jpg: The whole paper where this is from is under a Creative Commons licence, as stated at the bottom of page 2 of the pdf. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 11:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It is also stated on the journal's website, I added this link to the file page. FunkMonk (talk) 17:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Um... about this image - Wucaiwan is misspelt "Wucaivan"., can you correct this? Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 18:51, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yikes, fixed, remind me to not delete psd files for images with text haha... FunkMonk (talk) 19:04, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

 * File:Limusaurus size.png: Not sure which is the original for the human silhouette., any help? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 11:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks like it is a modification of Headden's skeletal, added to file description. The human is a PD image by NASA. FunkMonk (talk) 13:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah thats correct (also my contributions rn are throttled by university). IJReid { {T - C - D - R} } 16:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * File:Limusaurus-skull-diagram.png: Yes, I drew it from photographs specifically for this Wikipedia article. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 11:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ALT text added. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 11:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Images seem now OK to me. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 20:03, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll take a peek at the sourcing. As it's quite late here I won't be doing a source spot-check unless asked. I am not so sure if BCC, CNN and The Guardian are good sources to use on a paleontology article, there should be more scientific sources available for these claims (#43 is a better use as it explicitly sources a statement on how media depict this thing, rather than the academic facts). All sources appear to be of the type that are expected at this type of article, but I notice that the available information (DOI, PMC, archivelinks etc.) often varies from citation to citation. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:52, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, the news sources are used for circumstantial info that would be unnecessary to mention in scientific papers, such as how the animal has been depicted in life, and that some specimens were preliminarily considered different species from each other, and what the press called the "death pits" the animals were found in. Removing this info would not make the article better, so I don't see how we could remove those sources. In any case, those news outlets are not unreliable by any stretch of the imagination. FunkMonk (talk) 18:10, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I ran the citation bot. I don't think there are any other identifiers that can be added. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 18:43, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

 * Any updates, or where are we on the review? -- Laser brain  (talk)  15:10, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems like we are OK unless someone wants a spot-check. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:24, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

-- Laser brain  (talk)  13:12, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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Budvanska Rivijera

Budvanska Rivijera is a Montenegrin hotel group. It operates with hotels within the Municipality of Budva in Montenegro. It is named after the region, the name means Budva Riviera in Montenegrin language.

History
Budvanska Rivijera was established in 1990 as a shareholding company.

Hotels

 * Hotel Aleksandar - Budva
 * Slovenska Plaža Tourist Complex - Budva
 * Hotel Miločer - Sveti Stefan
 * Hotel Sveti Stefan - Sveti Stefan
 * Hotel Palas - Petrovac
 * Hotel Castellastva - Petrovac

title: Budvanska Rivijera


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sophie Cook

The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:03, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Sophie Cook

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

I reversed a misleading redirect on this one, as editor had deemed it not notable and had redirected to a character she was one of a number of actresses to have played. I think the best course of action would be to seek consensus on whether she is notable as an actress or not and if the article is deleted, not to redirect. -- wooden superman  13:56, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete, does not meet WP:BIO or WP:GNG. Single WP:CS--EC Racing (talk) 15:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Actress who hasn't got a screen credit on IMDB for 30 years? Looking at the find sources results, it appears someone entirely different should be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this name... Jclemens (talk) 17:21, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. A lot of TLW&W work but not enough for an article. As stated, deletion would pave the way for a topical politician. —  Wylie pedia  05:30, 21 September 2017 (UTC)


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Sediqeh Dowlatabadi

Sediqeh Dowlatabadi (1882 in Isfahan – July 30, 1961 in Tehran) was an Iranian feminist activist and journalist and one of the pioneering figures in the Persian women's movement.

On one of the occasions when Dowlatabadi was arrested for her activities, she replied: "Sir, I was born a hundred years late, if I had been born earlier, I would not have allowed women to be so humiliated and trapped in your chains."

Early life
Dowlatabadi was born in 1882 in Isfahan. Her father was Hadi Dolatabadi and her mother was Khatameh Begum. Her father was a progressive religious jurist and allowed Dolatabadi to begin her education in Persian and Arabic in Tehran. She then continued her secondary education at Dar-ol-Fonoun Academy. Aged 15, she married Etezad al-Hakma, but they divorced because Dowlatabadi was infertile.

Career

Dowlatabadi believed that the only route for the advancement of women was through their education. In 1917, she founded one of the first girls' primary schools, called Umm Al- Madaris (Mother of Schools). The school was closed after objections from religious conservatives and Dowlatabadi was beaten and detained for three months as a result.

In order to educate, she recognised that women needed news and articles that addressed their issues and concerns. This led her to establish the first women's gazette in Isfahan called Zaban-e Zanan in 1919. This was the third women's newspaper to be published in Iran, and ran for 57 issues until 1921. It was notable for its progressive stance and the outspoken nature of its articles on women's rights. In her first editorial in it she pronounced that paper wanted to challenge the "backwardness and feeble-mindedness" of women's rights in the city. She also established the Women's Association of Isfahan at this time.

When the Second Eastern Women's Congress was arranged in Tehran in 1932, Shams Pahlavi served as its president and Dowlatabadi as its secretary.

Dowlatabadi was an opponent of British involvement in Iran. Together with other like-minded women, she expressed her opposition to the agreement by boycotting imported goods and going to coffee shops and encouraging them not to use foreign sugar.

From 1925, there was a debate within the intellectual community, newspapers and women's magazines in Iran about the unveiling of women and whether it could act as a modernizing force in the country and increase women's participation in society. During the late 1920s and 1930s there were rumours that the government planned to introduce a policy of compulsory unveiling (the reform, known as Kashf-e hijab, was promulgated in 1936). Dowlatabadi was an outspoken advocate for the unveiling of women. However this led to threats against her life.

In 1926 she attended the International Alliance of Women's Conference in Paris and on her return wore European clothes and refused to wear a veil. She is believed to have been the first woman to have done so, appearing in public in 1928 completely unveilied. Another advocate for unveiling was Khadijeh Afzal Vaziri, who campaigned for change in fashion alongside Dowlatabadi. When the Shah banned the veil in 1936, Dowlatabadi was an active supporter of the reform, and engaged in the new women's committee Kanun-e Banuvan (Ladies Society) formed by the government. The committee was led by the Shah's daughter Princess Shams to unite women organisations and prepare women for unveiling.

By 1941, Dowlatabadi was Director of the Women's Centre, however the organisation had little autonomy - for example they needed permission from the Ministry of Education to organise a commemoration of the poet Parvin Etesami. Dowlatabadi died on 27 August 1961 at the age of 80 in Tehran. She had been ill with cancer. She was buried next to her brother in the Imamzadeh Ismail Cemetery in Zargandeh, however during the 1978 Revolution her tomb was damaged and her remains desecrated.

Legacy
Some of Dowlatabadi's archive is kept at the World Foundation for Social Research in Amsterdam. Part of this archive was exhibited in February 2016 at an exhibition on the background of the women's movement.

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Central Business District
I have added information on the district as well as a map and photo. Included is the elevation, time zones, area code, relation to the federal reserve, a photo of the district, and a boundary map of the district. Ktkvtsh (talk) 08:44, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Hollin Hills
In the past few weeks, I and others have made extensive edits to the breadth in quality of the content and details used to describe this mid-century modern historic district. Because I have been the major editor of these revisions, I am seeking an objective view to categorize this article above Start class. Thanks djharrity (talk 20:08, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Dutch Gap Canal
I have just completed an intensive edit of Dutch Gap article. I tried to keep all the information in the original, but have added detail, references, more photographs, and an appropriate map. As I worked on it, it seems its Civil War significance became the biggest focus. I think it is now beyond start class. Would somebody be willing to evaluate it? Thank you!Wtfiv (talk) 22:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Better late than never, but I have re-assessed it as B class and mid priority. Nice article. -- Mojo Hand (talk) 16:14, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Harrison family of Virginia
The article should be considered for upgrades for both quality and importance. The article has just been promoted to GA; it was last assessed as a B and since then it has also undergone more expansion. A quality reassessment is deemed appropriate in conjunction with the GA. Also, review of the criteria for importance indicates an upgrade to “High” importance is justified, as the article features three presidents, two governors, and a founder. Thank you. Hoppyh (talk) 18:05, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

John Mathews (Augusta County)
I have recently done a major update to references for accuracy and would like to request a look over. Thank you.Newtack101 (talk) 18:48, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Jordan Point, Virginia
Article has been reworked to emphasize archaeological significance of an early colonial settlement in the area. Could someone review this to see if it qualifies higher than stub class? I'm hoping that with the quality of citations it may reach C. Thanks. Wtfiv (talk) 02:28, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

 * Nice work done on the archaeology. I see it as a strong C at this point.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 22:05, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Shirlington, Arlington, Virginia
This article was rated as a Stub class many years ago, but considering it is a topic of low importance, it is largely complete. With a fair number of in-line citations, it is roughly a C in my estimation. Since I have edited it in the past, I would like someone else to give it a rating. Thanks. —  AjaxSmack 15:12, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

I rated it a C on April 23. There's a lot of work here, and it is no longer a stub, that's for sure!

Jamestown supply missions
Currently rated as Start, but given the major overhaul and broadening of the article, I am fairly sure that it now qualifies as higher than that. Thanks. JabberJawJAPAN talk 00:42, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

I put this article at B level. I think there is a lot of comprehensive material here. Though more can be added due to the complexity of the missions, I think that for many users it will answer their questions.Wtfiv (talk) 19:01, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Jeffrey M. Lacker
Currently has low importance rating which should probably be raised. Jeffrey M. Lacker will be retiring president (in October 2017) of the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond. Mitzi.humphrey (talk) 16:12, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Virginia's congressional districts
Although given a start-class assessment prior to my recent edits, the article already had substantially more information on Virginia's Congressional Districts than other states articles in that "(state) congressional districts" series. I reorganized the subsections and expanded several sections and added multiple reform efforts in the last decade, other editors have made recent contributions to ensure that the current Congressional District information is updated. I'm not sure why the four-year old snidely deprecating post remains unarchived. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 15:23, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Williamsburg Area Transit Authority
This article was rated as a Start class many years ago, but since then has has substantial improvements in wording and inclusion of sourced information. I would raise it to at least C class but would like someone else to give it a rating. Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Edits) 23:43, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed; looks like C class to me.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 14:47, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Virginia Conventions
Article with start assessment is now expanded from mid-1700s Conventions alone to include all Virginia Conventions and Constitutional Commission activity in the 20th century, with three editors recently making contributions. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 15:27, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

After review of B class criteria, I have upgraded the article to B class. Advancing to A class requires two other editors to concur with the advancement, with no major disagreements. I propose an A-class assessment. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 11:38, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

I have nominated this article for a Good Article assessment. It has been peer reviewed line by line. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 19:02, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Shooting of John Geer
Article on 2013 incident in Springfield, Virginia needs assessment.--TommyBoy (talk) 11:27, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Assessed as C class; the article covers all the key points quite well and is solidly referenced.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 18:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Harold A. Schaitberger
Newly-created article on current International Association of Fire Fighters General President who began his professional career in Fairfax County, Virginia needs assessment.--TommyBoy (talk) 05:18, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅-- Mojo Hand (talk) 15:25, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Fairmount Park Civic League
Article on Norfolk, Virginia-based civic organization needs assessment, but I'm not sure how to assess it because the article has multiple maintenance tags. --TommyBoy (talk) 15:56, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This article is a mess, and I toyed with invoking WP:TNT. However, there does seem to be something notable here, so I think I may roll up my sleeves and try to clean it up.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 15:23, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Update - I redirected this to Fairmount Park Neighborhood. The civic league article was massively promotional, and can be fully covered in the article about the neighborhood.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 15:47, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

University of Virginia Greek life
A new article on Greek life at UVa that needs to be assessed. Puppysnot (talk) 22:02, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Clearly at least a B; good luck at GAR.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 01:12, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Ruffner Hall
Article on the most notable non-athletic building on Longwood University's campus. Historically notable due to the 2001 fire and its place in the development of LU. Tried to make it Start-class and Low importance, but should be assessed. Puritan Nerd 04:20, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I totally agree with that assessment. The article is on the way to being C class; I think it just needs some more history and an architecture section.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 18:21, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Marilyn Tavenner
Article on current Centers for Medicare/Medicaid Services Administrator and Richmond native is currently assessed as Stub, and might warrant re-assessment.--TommyBoy (talk) 01:47, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I reassessed as start class.  Thanks! -- Mojo Hand (talk) 15:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Center for Climate and Energy Solutions
Article on Arlington, Virginia-based organization needs assessment. --TommyBoy (talk) 09:36, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ - assessed as start. -- Mojo Hand (talk) 04:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Libby Hill, Richmond
New user created new article on the Libby Hill neighborhood in the East End of Richmond that needs assessment. Thanks in advance. RVA all day (talk) 06:20, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Well referenced, good prose and lots of images. A solid article - I assessed it as C class.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 03:28, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

James Madison Memorial Fellowship Foundation
Article on Alexandria, Virginia-based organization needs assessment. --TommyBoy (talk) 21:03, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I assessed as C class; nice article.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 13:27, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

History of Virginia on stamps
Reflecting Virginia's history and landmarks as commemorated on stamps, a topical philately article with 84 stamps and commentary. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 10:29, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like the article is actively being worked. I suggest waiting for the dust to settle before doing an assessment.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 23:02, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Work continues to be done, but the article has clearly reached at least B class, which is a high as it can go short of WP:GAC-- Mojo Hand (talk) 13:27, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Langley_High_School_(Fairfax_County,_Virginia)
Article about Langley High School in McLean, VA, which is classified as stub class, however it has much more information than the Herndon High School article, [], which is classified higher.
 * I reassessed it as a start. Thanks.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 17:32, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

WABN
Article about Abingdon, Virginia area radio station WABN. I have made considerable sourced additions to the article. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 06:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It looks like C class to me - the sourcing is excellent.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 02:32, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Sir. Much appreciated. :) -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 05:28, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

WINC (AM)
Article about Winchester, Virginia area radio station WINC. I have made considerable sourced additions to the article on the way to one day GA (and maybe FA)...hopefully. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 23:50, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It's definitely at least a B; a nice article.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 04:03, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Sir. Much appreciated. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 05:56, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Eric Schmidt
Article on Google executive who grew up in Virginia needs assessment. --TommyBoy (talk) 06:36, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like a solid B to me. Cheers.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 22:57, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Richmond, Virginia history
Article needs assessment. --TommyBoy (talk) 06:47, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I assessed as list class, which appears to be the normal convention for these types of articles.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 01:34, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

MeadWestvaco
Article on Richmond, Virginia-based packing company needs assessment. --TommyBoy (talk) 06:33, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, article has been assessed as Start-class by another user. --TommyBoy (talk) 01:12, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Orange County, Virginia
Requesting assessment of article. --PlannerGuy (talk) 12:11, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Nobel Peace Prize 2

Nobel Peace Prize 2
Voting period ends on 28 Aug 2020  at 07:15:22 (UTC)
 * Reason:Enormous EV, depicting two Israeli leaders (Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres) and one Palestinian leader (Yasser Arafat) recieving the Nobel Peace Prize for the Oslo Accords, one of the shaping moments in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict and in the recent history of the Middle East in general. Great to have this official photo from 1994 in this high resolution, and the quality is quite good. FP in Commons. Failed to gain enough support before, but all issues were fixed.
 * Articles in which this image appears:Yitzhak Rabin, Shimon Peres, Yasser Arafat, Oslo I Accord
 * FP category for this image:Featured pictures/People/Political
 * Creator:Sa'ar Ya'akov (Government Press Office, Israel)

 * Support as nominator – Andrei (talk) 07:15, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Difficult to know how to vote - a hugely significant moment in history, but a pretty ordinary photo. I'm leaning towards oppose, as this award is about the photo. Charlesjsharp (talk) 11:12, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I get it but would argue that having those three in the same room is extraordinary, especially considering the circumstances. --Andrei (talk) 18:43, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Per previous. And overhead lamp glare is distracting. – Sca (talk) 12:54, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support – Nyanardsan (talk) 00:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support The photo is indeed not great, but was competently executed. There is strong EV here, which I think gets this across the line. Nick-D (talk) 11:34, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per Nick. I think. I agree it's a hard one to judge. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.4% of all FPs 16:31, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose per above. Important, momentous event, and it's great that we have this picture, but it doesn't quite cross the line for me. Josh Milburn (talk) 07:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support very iconic photograph in Israel. Tomer T (talk) 08:14, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Not quite sure about this. The Nobel Prize is significant in itself, but the most iconic image is surely that of the handshake with Bill Clinton behind (of which we don't have an FP-worthy version). --Paul_012 (talk) 23:26, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

--Armbrust The Homunculus 13:50, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


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Talk:Armour/Making Period Mail

This how to was written by Pengryphon on Wikipedia. I simply moved it from there to here via cut and paste. Siroxo 09:30, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia History
This page was transwikied from en.wikipedia.org. List of contributors: Poccil 03:05, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * [2004-05-10T21:03:00Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-10T21:03:46Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-10T21:05:42Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-10T21:35:21Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-10T21:37:28Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-10T22:02:22Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-10T22:02:58Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-10T22:03:18Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-11T21:27:52Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-11T21:30:23Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-12T03:45:36Z] <IP_ADDRESS> ( clarified captions for pictures (would be helpful if someone could wikify into proper captions) )
 * [2004-07-21T22:06:58Z] Angela ( unsign. Is listed on cleanup )
 * [2004-07-21T23:01:35Z] RickK ( VfD )
 * [2004-07-22T20:25:08Z] Poccil ( /* Golden Rules of Making Mail */ )
 * [2004-09-15T04:00:32Z] Fire Star ( /* Golden Rules of Making Mail */ )
 * [2004-11-22T00:19:44Z] Frazzydee ( subst: )
 * [2004-11-22T02:12:52Z] Anthony DiPierro
 * [2004-12-04T02:11:25Z] Calton
 * [2004-12-04T02:12:34Z] Calton

How-to? Not really.
This how-to seems to be written for a person who is already very familiar with the concepts and techniques involved. At no point is a process 'walked-through' with the reader, let alone discussed in depth. If this is to be considered a how-to it needs some serious work. I would expect an article such as this to go on for several pages.

Any thoughts?

not a tutorial...
This is not so much a how-to as it is a brief description. Many of the 'facts' expressed here are opinions, not facts. This does not touch on period maille at all either, period maille was made with riveted links, this description applies to butted maille. Several of the other errors or omissions are 1. You can also use a hand turned mandrel to make your coils. 2. there are several places online that offer pre-made links inexpensively so you do not need to make your own. 3. Some of the SCA kingdoms do indeed allow aluminum maille, look at local baronies rules to determine if yours does. 4. Brass links make fine chainmail(but not as durable as steel), if you don't use brass-rod stock but brass wire/pre-made links 5. Essentially most of the limitations listed are incorrect or simply opinions, there are many other wire types and pre-made links available. The most 'correct' period maille would be made from mild steel links riveted together. 6. There are many chainmail sites online with good tutorials for beginning to work with maille. Use google and they are easy to find, some of them are also suppliers of pre-made links. 7. and finally all the weaves described here are given without their full titles, the 4-in-1 is properly called european 4-in-1 ( since there is a japanese 4-in-1 weave also this is important), the 6-in-1 should be european 6-in-1, etc...

Name change
The name of this book ought to be changed to Making armor for the SCA. That is what this book covers and the audience it is written for. There is nothing 'period' about aluminum and there are no references which tell why any piece of mail is or is not period. Which I would consider the first step for making mail in a given period. Sethwoodworth 03:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

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Anthony Morelli

Anthony Michael Morelli (born June 21, 1985) is a former American football quarterback. He was signed by the Arizona Cardinals as an undrafted free agent in 2008. He played college football at Penn State.

Morelli was also a member of the San Jose SaberCats, Milwaukee Iron, Omaha Nighthawks and Pittsburgh Power.

Early life
As a 10-year-old, Morelli won the National Football League's 1995 Punt, Pass, and Kick competition, throwing a 50-yard pass in front of his hometown crowd at Pittsburgh's Three Rivers Stadium.

In his high school years, Morelli was selected to the ESPN RISE Elite 11.

College career
Morelli originally committed to the University of Pittsburgh in August 2003, but de-committed due to Pitt's existing situation with Tyler Palko, along with the recent move of Miami, Virginia Tech, and Boston College out of the Big East, and chose Penn State instead.

Morelli's junior year at Penn State got off to a good start. He threw a 42-yard touchdown on his first pass as the Nittany Lion's starting quarterback in a 34-16 win over the University of Akron. However, he struggled after that, particularly in a 28-6 loss to rival Ohio State. With the Lions down 14-6, Morelli threw two late interceptions that Ohio State returned for touchdowns, effectively ending any hopes of a comeback and making the game look a lot more lopsided than it was. Morelli finished the game with only 106 yards passing. As a result of this performance, Morelli's play had become a polarizing issue amongst Nittany Lion fans. Some fans wanted to bring in backup Daryll Clark, a redshirt freshman whose style of play resembled that of Morelli's predecessor and former Heisman hopeful, Michael Robinson. Other fans have come to Morelli's defense, pointing out the amount of playing time typically required to develop good quarterbacks. By season's end, Morelli had thrown for 2,424 yards, 11 touchdowns and 8 interceptions. He took over third place on Penn State's season passing yardage list, trailing only Kerry Collins (1994) and Tony Sacca (1991). Despite his relatively decent statistics, Morelli expressed frustration over the conservative nature of Penn State's play calling in a November 2006 interview with the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. After struggling all season, Morelli was able to redeem himself during the 2007 Outback Bowl against Tennessee, leading the Nittany Lions to an upset victory.

Morelli's senior season began with a dominant victory over rival Notre Dame but quickly lost momentum with ineffectual campaigns at rival Michigan and at Illinois highlighted by his tendency to turn the ball over in critical situations. Morelli then led Penn State to blowout wins over Iowa and Wisconsin and a close road win against Indiana, but Morelli struggled against rival Ohio State and was unable to rally Penn State to victory over Big Ten rival Michigan State in the closing minutes of the game.

Controversy
Morelli revealed that he has not spoken with high school coach Neil Gordon since his final game in 2003. He accused Gordon and his staff of sabotaging his college recruitment, spreading rumors about his intelligence and his inability to read defenses.

Arizona Cardinals
Morelli was signed by the Cardinals as an undrafted free agent immediately following the 2008 NFL Draft. In his first professional appearance, Morelli went 2-6 for 13 yards against the New Orleans Saints in Arizona's 2008 preseason opener. He was cut on August 30, 2008, after a lackluster performance in week 4 of the preseason against the Denver Broncos, which included an interception returned for a touchdown.

Morelli worked out for the Green Bay Packers and Buffalo Bills during the 2009 offseason. He was also slated to play for the San Jose SaberCats of the Arena Football League (AFL) until they suspended operations indefinitely in August 2009.

Milwaukee Iron
Morelli signed with the Milwaukee Iron of the new AFL on January 2, 2010.

He worked out with NFL teams at the 2010 NFL Combine, in hopes of returning to the NFL.

Pittsburgh Power
On November 2, 2010, it was announced that Morelli was signed by the expansion AFL team, the Pittsburgh Power. He was signed along with 15 other players after an open tryout held a month prior. Along with the former Penn State quarterback, the Power agreed to terms with his high school teammates, Tyrell Herbert and Kenny Lewis. Morelli was cut by the Power in February 2011. He was re-signed on March 25. He was released again.

Personal
He was the quarterbacks coach at Plum High School in Pittsburgh, before moving to Indianapolis to train under the coaching of former NFL quarterback, Jack Trudeau.

After Morelli was done playing professional football, he opened X-Factor Sports Performance & QB Academy located in Westfield, Indiana.

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