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# Document EFTA 00008585
Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services <sup>39</sup>West 37th Street \*New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063
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| 1 | 7/2/19<br>• |
| 2 | (Colloquy Precedes.) |
| 3 | (Witness Enters Room.) |
| 4 | 12:47 p.m.)<br>(Time noted: |
| 5 | called as a witness, having |
| 6 | been first duly sworn by the Foreperson of the Grand |
| 7 | Jury, was examined and testified as follows: |
| 8 | EXAMINATION |
| 9 | BY MS. |
| 10 | Could you please state and spell your name for<br>Q. |
| 11 | the record? |
| 12 | A. |
| 13 | Good afternoon, Special Agent<br>Q. |
| 14 | Good afternoon.<br>A. |
| 15 | Where do you work?<br>Q. |
| 16 | The FBI.<br>A. |
| 17 | What's your title at the FBI?<br>Q. |
| 18 | Special agent.<br>A. |
| 19 | How long have you worked as a special agent<br>Q. |
| 20 | for the FBI? |
| 21 | For over two years now.<br>A. |
| 22 | Did you testify before this grand jury on<br>Q. |
| 23 | June 18th, 2019? |
| 24 | I did.<br>A. |
| 25 | Can you just remind the grand jury about your<br>Q. |
| 26 | What types of work do you do at the FBI?<br>background? |
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| 2 | I work on the Violent Crimes Against Children<br>A. |
| 3 | Squad, so we work child exploitation, human |
| 4 | trafficking, and international parental kidnapping |
| 5 | matters. |
| 6 | Have you participated in an investigation of<br>Q. |
| 7 | Jeffrey Epstein and his associates? |
| 8 | Yes.<br>A. |
| 9 | Have you spoken to other people, including<br>Q. |
| 10 | other law enforcement officers, about this |
| 11 | investigation? |
| 12 | Yes.<br>A. |
| 13 | Have you reviewed reports and documents<br>Q. |
| 14 | prepared by others regarding this case? |
| 15 | Yes.<br>A. |
| 16 | And is your testimony today based in part on<br>Q. |
| 17 | those conversations with other law enforcement officers |
| 18 | and documents that you have reviewed? |
| 19 | Yes.<br>A. |
| 20 | Ladies and gentlemen, some of the<br>MS. |
| 21 | testimony that you're going to hear today will |
| 22 | As you know, that means that the<br>include hearsay. |
| 23 | witness will not be testifying solely from her own |
| 24 | observations, but that she'll also be reporting |
| 25 | what others have told her and what she's read in |
| 26 | reports and documents prepared by others. |
Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services <sup>39</sup>West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK' (212) 869-3063
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| 2 | As you know, hearsay evidence is admissible in |
| 3 | these grand jury proceedings, and you're free to |
| 4 | rely on it in determining whether there is |
| 5 | probable cause to indict the proposed defendant. |
| 6 | If, however, you would like to hear the |
| 7 | testimony of any other witness, you have the right |
| 8 | to request it, and we will make reasonable efforts |
| 9 | to bring that witness before you. |
| 10 | BY MS. |
| 11 | Q.<br>I placed in front of<br>So, Special Agent |
| 12 | you a stack of exhibits.<br>I want to talk through them |
| 13 | now one by one. |
| 14 | We were discussing earlier that you recall |
| 15 | testifying before this grand jury on June 18, 2019;. is |
| 16 | that correct? |
| 17 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 18 | Q.<br>So, I placed in front of you what's marked as |
| 19 | Grand Jury Exhibit 3.<br>Is that a fair and accurate |
| 20 | transcript of your testimony on that date? |
| 21 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 22 | I've also placed in front of you Grand Jury<br>Q. |
| 23 | Exhibit 1.<br>Is that a PowerPoint presentation that you |
| 24 | reviewed with this grand jury on June 18th, 2019? |
| 25 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 26 | So picking up where we left off last time, I<br>Q. |
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| 2 | want to follow up regarding the presentation.<br>If you |
| 3 | could turn to page 28 of that presentation. |
| 4 | Now, Special Agent<br>do you recall |
| 5 | testifying about your interviews with a young woman |
| 6 | named |
| 7 | A.<br>Yes. |
| | Q.<br>And do you recall that there was a question |
| 9 | from the grand jury about the date on one of the slides |
| 10 | in this presentation? |
| 11 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 12 | Q.<br>Just want to follow up on that.<br>So on this |
| 13 | page, just to orient ourselves, do you recall |
| 14 | testifying about phone records of a call between a |
| 15 | phone number subscribed to<br>and |
| 16 | 's cell phone on January 3rd? |
| 17 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 18 | Q.<br>Have you reviewed the underlying phone records |
| 19 | that are excerpted in this slide? |
| 20 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 21 | Q.<br>Is the call highlighted on this slide from |
| 22 | January 3rd, 2005? |
| 23 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 24 | Q.<br>Directing your attention to the top of the |
| 25 | slide where it says 2004, is that a typo? |
| 26 | A.<br>Yes. |
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| 2 | Have you confirmed that the underlying records<br>Q. |
| 3 | are, in fact, from January 3rd, 2005? |
| 4 | Yes.<br>A. |
| 5 | So the<br>Turning to the next slide, on page 29.<br>Q. |
| 6 | Is that the<br>header on this slide is January 4, 2005. |
| 7 | same date that's on the deposit slip excerpted in that |
| 8 | slide? |
| 9 | Yes.<br>A. |
| 10 | So does the date on this slide accurately<br>Q. |
| 11 | reflect the date on the deposit slip? |
| 12 | Yes.<br>A. |
| 13 | So when you testified that based on the phone<br>Q. |
| 14 | records we just discussed and this deposit slip, that |
| 15 | it appears that they were on back-to-back days, was |
| 16 | that in fact accurate? |
| 17 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 18 | So I want to switch gears now and<br>All right.<br>Q. |
| 19 | ask you, do you recall testifying before this grand |
| 20 | jury regarding a woman named |
| 21 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 22 | If you could turn now to what's before you and<br>Q. |
| 23 | Do you recognize this?<br>marked Grand Jury Exhibit 4. |
| 24 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 25 | What is this document?<br>Q. |
| 26 | that<br>So this is a list of messages that to<br>A. |
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| 2 | appear to be left for Jeffrey Epstein. |
| 3 | Taking a step back for a moment, how did the<br>Q. |
| 4 | FBI obtain this document? |
| 5 | A.<br>We received this from the Palm Beach Police |
| 6 | Department. |
| 7 | Q.<br>What is your understanding, based on your |
| 8 | review of law enforcement reports and your review of |
| 9 | the case file, of how the Palm Beach Police Department |
| 10 | obtained this document? |
| 11 | A.<br>They would have received it from a trash pull. |
| 12 | So a trash pull is, one of the detectives had gone to |
| 13 | the residence and went through the trash that was left |
| 14 | on the curb. |
| 15 | Is this document from one of those trash<br>Q. |
| 16 | pulls? |
| 17 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 18 | Q.<br>Approximately when was this pulled from the |
| 19 | trash, based on your review of law enforcement reports? |
| 20 | A.<br>April 13, 2005. |
| 21 | Q.<br>In a previous presentation, you discussed a |
| 22 | number of residences.<br>Do you know specifically where |
| 23 | this was pulled from the trash? |
| 24 | A.<br>The Palm Beach residence. |
| 25 | Q.<br>Did you personally participate in gathering |
| 26 | this evidence? |
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| | I was not a part of the trash pull, but I have<br>A. |
| 3 | received the evidence since. |
| 4 | So let's talk through this document.<br>Q. |
| 5 | Looking first at the first page at the top, |
| 6 | what does this document appear to be? |
| 7 | It's records listed for Jeffrey Epstein,<br>A. |
| 8 | 4/11/2005 to 4/11/2005. |
| 9 | What are the fields at the top?<br>Q. |
| 10 | So the left side has who it's from, the middle<br>A. |
| 11 | has the message, and then on the right it has some |
| 12 | of them have phone numbers listed. |
| 13 | appear in this document?<br>Does the name<br>Q. |
| 14 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 15 | Let's turn to the fourth page of this<br>Q. |
| 16 | Focusing on the last line, do you see where<br>document. |
| 17 | it says callers? |
| 18 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 19 | What is listed in the field to the right?<br>Q. |
| 20 | It lists<br>A. |
| 21 | |
| 22 | Turning to page 2 of this document, focusing<br>Q. |
| 23 | on the bottom three lines, can you point out to the |
| 24 | at the bottom<br>grand jury where you see the name |
| 25 | of this document? |
| 26 | is listed twice.<br>A.<br>So |
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 Page 9 7/2/19 (Indicating.) Q. What are the messages to the right of the name A. The first message lists, I'm back in New York. Q. What's the second one? A. is back. Q. Is there a phone number listed next to the message? A. Yes. Q. And what is the area code for that phone number? code? A. Q. Does that appear to be a New York City area A. Yes. Q. In your interviews with have you asked her whether or not she recognizes this phone number? A. Yes. Q. What did she tell you? A. She did not recognize it. Q. What, if anything, did she tell you about the phones that she was using during this time period? A. She said that she was using a lot of different phones, that she'd gone a lot of different places, so \_
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| 2 | she didn't recall all the numbers that she had used in |
| 3 | the past. |
| 4 | Q. Have you obtained phone records for this phone |
| 5 | number? |
| 6 | A. Yes. |
| 7 | Q. Who was listed for the subscriber in 2005? |
| 8 | A. It came back to an individual in Maspeth. |
| 9 | Q. Based on your participation in this |
| 10 | investigation, does that particular individual have any |
| 11 | significance to this investigation, as far as you can |
| 12 | tell? |
| 13 | A. No. |
| 14 | Q. If these messages had been left by in |
| 15 | New York, would some type of communication have had to |
| 16 | occur across state lines in order for these messages to |
| 17 | have been found in Florida? |
| 18 | A. Yes. |
| 19 | Q. Do you recall testifying about and |
| 20 | having remembered receiving phone calls |
| 21 | from Epstein's assistant, ? |
| 22 | A. Yes. |
| 23 | Q. Did they recall that occasionally when they |
| 24 | would get phone calls from , that she would say |
| 25 | that she was calling from New York? |
| 26 | A. Yes. |
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| | were in Florida when they<br>Q.<br>If<br>and |
| 3 | got those calls and those calls had, in fact, been |
| 4 | placed from New York, would those calls have traveled |
| 5 | across state lines? |
| 6 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 7 | A few final questions about<br>Q. |
| a | In your conversations with her, did she ever describe |
| 9 | to you receiving phone calls regarding the massages |
| 10 | that she was scheduling? |
| 11 | A.<br>Yes. |
| 12 | Q.<br>Who would call her? |
| 13 | A. MM. |
| 14 | Did she recall speaking to anyone else on the<br>Q. |
| 15 | phone? |
| 16 | A.<br>Epstein. |
| 17 | Q.<br>And did she explain the context in which she |
| 18 | would receive calls and speak to Epstein? |
| 19 | A.<br>She said that when she spoke with<br>Yes. |
| 20 | Epstein on the phone, it would always be through |
| 21 | So<br>would contact her and then put him<br>IIIIII/ |
| 22 | on the phone to speak with her. |
| 23 | Q.<br>What was her understanding of who<br>was? |
| 24 | A.<br>His assistant. |
| 25 | Q.<br>In these conversations with<br>and |
| 26 | recall whether or not either of<br>Epstein, did |
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| 2 | them had ever asked her to bring a particular girl to |
| 3 | the house? |
| 4 | A. Yes. |
| 5 | Q. Did she recall whether ever asked her |
| 6 | to bring a particular girl? |
| 7 | A. Yes. |
| 8 | Q. What does she remember about that? |
| 9 | A. That would ask her, do you have this |
| 10 | particular girl or can this girl come tonight or on |
| 11 | whatever day that they had chosen. |
| 12 | Q. When she would speak with Epstein on the |
| 13 | phone, did she recall whether or not Epstein would ever |
| 14 | ask her to bring a particular girl? |
| 15 | A. Yes. |
| 16 | Q. What did she remember about that? |
| 17 | A. Along the same lines, can you bring this girl. |
| 18 | Q. Just one moment. |
| 19 | Special Agent have you told the grand |
| 20 | jury everything that you know about this case, or have |
| 21 | you just answered the questions that I've asked? |
| 22 | A. I've just answered the questions you've asked. |
| 23 | Q. When you testified about the documents you |
| 24 | reviewed or the conversations that you had with others, |
| 25 | were you testifying to the exact words that were used |
| 26 | or just the substance of the documents or |
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| 3 | Substance.<br>A. |
| 4 | Are you willing to return to the grand jury if<br>Q. |
| 5 | the grand jury has any further questions for you? |
| 6 | Yes.<br>A. |
| 7 | With the Foreperson's permission, I<br>MS. |
| 8 | be excused.<br>would ask that Special Agent |
| 9 | You're excused.<br>THE FOREPERSON: |
| 10 | (Witness Excused.) |
| 11 | 1:00 p.m.)<br>(Time noted: |
| 12 | (Colloquy Follows.) |
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