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United States Department of Justice INTERVIEW OF: GHISLAINE MAXWELL
DATE: July 24, 2025
APPEARANCES:
For the United States: Todd Blanche, Deputy Attorney General Diego Pestana, Acting Associate Deputy Attorney General Spencer Horn, FBI Special Agent Mark Beard, Deputy U.S. Marshal
For Ghislaine Maxwell:
David Markus
Leah Saffian
Melissa Madrigal
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| 1 | INTERVIEW | 1 | I'm not promising to ask Judge Nathan or |
| 2 | *** | 2 | any of the judges that's been assigned to your case |
| 3 | TODD BLANCHE: I am going to ask everybody | 3 | to do anything. It we're just talking. And so |
| 4 | to put their name on the record here. | 4 | that's the most important important part of of |
| 5 | SPENCER HORN: Good morning. My name is | 5 | this agreement. |
| 6 | Assistant Special Agent in Charge, Spencer Horn of | 6 | However, almost as important is the fact |
| 7 | FBI, New York. | 7 | that what this agreement does for you is it gives you |
| 8 | Today we're doing a proffer of | 8 | protection. So what it means is that the government |
| 9 | Ms. Maxwell. The date is July 24th and the time is | 9 | cannot use what you say today against you, with some |
| 10 | 10:12 a.m. This interview is being recorded. | 10 | exceptions, which we'll talk about in a minute. |
| 11 | TODD BLANCHE: And my name is Todd | 11 | But whatever you talk about today, you |
| 12 | Blanche. I'm the Deputy Attorney General. And | 12 | have what's called immunity. So that means that the |
| 13 | before we start formally asking questions of | 13 | words that you say today, we cannot use against you |
| 14 | Ms. Maxwell, I'm going to put on the record everybody | 14 | in a case in chief, if we were ever to bring one. |
| 15 | that's in this room, in addition to me, starting with | 15 | Okay? |
| 16 | you, Diego. | 16 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you. |
| 17 | DIEGO PESTANA: Diego Pestana, Associate | 17 | TODD BLANCHE: All right. There's |
| 18 | Deputy Attorney General. | 18 | exceptions to that. The most meaningful one of which |
| 19 | TODD BLANCHE: And then you heard from | 19 | is that, if you say something today that's not true, |
| 20 | Special Agent in Charge Horn. Mark Beard from the | 20 | that's a lie, we can bring a prosecution against you |
| 21 | United States Marshal Service is here as well. | 21 | for what's called false statements. |
| 22 | And then David. | 22 | So I'm a federal officer, I have several |
| 23 | DAVID MARKUS: Yes. This is David Oscar | 23 | officers here. The FBI is here. And if if you |
| 24 | Markus, and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. | 24 | lie to someone that's like me or like Special |
| 25 | LEAH SAFFIAN: My name is Leah Saffian and | 25 | Agent Horn, it's a crime. So you have to be |
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| 1 | I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. | 1 | truthful. |
| 2 | I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is |
2 | truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, Mr. Blanche. |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I can't use what you say against you in our case in |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, Mr. Blanche. TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I can't use what you say against you in our case in chief. However, if you were to testify or if your |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, Mr. Blanche. TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes. I |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I can't use what you say against you in our case in chief. However, if you were to testify or if your lawyer called a witness to testify, and they said |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, Mr. Blanche. TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes. I introduced myself and we we've chatted and now |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I can't use what you say against you in our case in chief. However, if you were to testify or if your lawyer called a witness to testify, and they said something that is totally different than what you say |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, Mr. Blanche. TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes. I introduced myself and we we've chatted and now I've told you that we were going on the record. And |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I can't use what you say against you in our case in chief. However, if you were to testify or if your lawyer called a witness to testify, and they said something that is totally different than what you say today, we could then cross examine you or the witness |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, Mr. Blanche. TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes. I introduced myself and we we've chatted and now I've told you that we were going on the record. And before we start asking questions, I know that you've |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I can't use what you say against you in our case in chief. However, if you were to testify or if your lawyer called a witness to testify, and they said something that is totally different than what you say today, we could then cross examine you or the witness and say, hey, do you remember when we met with |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, Mr. Blanche. TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes. I introduced myself and we we've chatted and now I've told you that we were going on the record. And before we start asking questions, I know that you've been given, by your lawyer, a copy of what's called a |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I can't use what you say against you in our case in chief. However, if you were to testify or if your lawyer called a witness to testify, and they said something that is totally different than what you say today, we could then cross examine you or the witness and say, hey, do you remember when we met with Ms. Wax when we met with Ms. Maxwell back in July |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, Mr. Blanche. TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes. I introduced myself and we we've chatted and now I've told you that we were going on the record. And before we start asking questions, I know that you've been given, by your lawyer, a copy of what's called a proffer agreement. |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I can't use what you say against you in our case in chief. However, if you were to testify or if your lawyer called a witness to testify, and they said something that is totally different than what you say today, we could then cross examine you or the witness and say, hey, do you remember when we met with Ms. Wax when we met with Ms. Maxwell back in July of 2025? She told us and then say what she said. |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, Mr. Blanche. TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes. I introduced myself and we we've chatted and now I've told you that we were going on the record. And before we start asking questions, I know that you've been given, by your lawyer, a copy of what's called a proffer agreement. And I just want to spend two minutes |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I can't use what you say against you in our case in chief. However, if you were to testify or if your lawyer called a witness to testify, and they said something that is totally different than what you say today, we could then cross examine you or the witness and say, hey, do you remember when we met with Ms. Wax when we met with Ms. Maxwell back in July of 2025? She told us and then say what she said. Okay? |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, Mr. Blanche. TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes. I introduced myself and we we've chatted and now I've told you that we were going on the record. And before we start asking questions, I know that you've been given, by your lawyer, a copy of what's called a proffer agreement. And I just want to spend two minutes making sure that you understand what what governs |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I can't use what you say against you in our case in chief. However, if you were to testify or if your lawyer called a witness to testify, and they said something that is totally different than what you say today, we could then cross examine you or the witness and say, hey, do you remember when we met with Ms. Wax when we met with Ms. Maxwell back in July of 2025? She told us and then say what she said. Okay? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I understand. |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, Mr. Blanche. TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes. I introduced myself and we we've chatted and now I've told you that we were going on the record. And before we start asking questions, I know that you've been given, by your lawyer, a copy of what's called a proffer agreement. And I just want to spend two minutes making sure that you understand what what governs our conversation today. The most important part of |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I can't use what you say against you in our case in chief. However, if you were to testify or if your lawyer called a witness to testify, and they said something that is totally different than what you say today, we could then cross examine you or the witness and say, hey, do you remember when we met with Ms. Wax when we met with Ms. Maxwell back in July of 2025? She told us and then say what she said. Okay? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I understand. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Other than that, |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, Mr. Blanche. TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes. I introduced myself and we we've chatted and now I've told you that we were going on the record. And before we start asking questions, I know that you've been given, by your lawyer, a copy of what's called a proffer agreement. And I just want to spend two minutes making sure that you understand what what governs our conversation today. The most important part of this agreement is that this isn't a cooperation |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I can't use what you say against you in our case in chief. However, if you were to testify or if your lawyer called a witness to testify, and they said something that is totally different than what you say today, we could then cross examine you or the witness and say, hey, do you remember when we met with Ms. Wax when we met with Ms. Maxwell back in July of 2025? She told us and then say what she said. Okay? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I understand. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Other than that, you I I know you didn't have a lot of time this |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, Mr. Blanche. TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes. I introduced myself and we we've chatted and now I've told you that we were going on the record. And before we start asking questions, I know that you've been given, by your lawyer, a copy of what's called a proffer agreement. And I just want to spend two minutes making sure that you understand what what governs our conversation today. The most important part of this agreement is that this isn't a cooperation agreement, meaning that by you meeting with us today, |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I can't use what you say against you in our case in chief. However, if you were to testify or if your lawyer called a witness to testify, and they said something that is totally different than what you say today, we could then cross examine you or the witness and say, hey, do you remember when we met with Ms. Wax when we met with Ms. Maxwell back in July of 2025? She told us and then say what she said. Okay? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I understand. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Other than that, you I I know you didn't have a lot of time this morning to meet with with Mr. Markus, but |
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm I'm Ghislaine Maxwell. TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. How are you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning, Mr. Blanche. TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes. I introduced myself and we we've chatted and now I've told you that we were going on the record. And before we start asking questions, I know that you've been given, by your lawyer, a copy of what's called a proffer agreement. And I just want to spend two minutes making sure that you understand what what governs our conversation today. The most important part of this agreement is that this isn't a cooperation |
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truthful. The other exception to this, that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a a criminal case a future criminal case against you, and your lawyer or you said something different or took a position that's different than what you say today, we can then cross examine you or a witness, based upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I can't use what you say against you in our case in chief. However, if you were to testify or if your lawyer called a witness to testify, and they said something that is totally different than what you say today, we could then cross examine you or the witness and say, hey, do you remember when we met with Ms. Wax when we met with Ms. Maxwell back in July of 2025? She told us and then say what she said. Okay? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I understand. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Other than that, you I I know you didn't have a lot of time this |
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| 1 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. | 1 | that I want to ask you, but I'm not if there's a |
| 2 | TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. So I've | 2 | path that a question that I'm not asking, that you |
| 3 | already signed it, as has Special Agent Horn | 3 | think should be asked, I I invite you to |
| 4 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. | 4 | volunteer. Same thing goes to your lawyers. |
| 5 | TODD BLANCHE: and Mr. Markus signed it | 5 | Just to start a little bit very briefly, |
| 6 | as well. So you got a pen, please sign it | 6 | can you talk about when you first met Mr. Epstein. I |
| 7 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right here? | 7 | know that goes back a while. And just very generally |
| 8 | TODD BLANCHE: right where it says | 8 | talk about your relationship with Mr. Epstein, from |
| 9 | "client." Yes. | 9 | the time you met him all the way up until until |
| 10 | And I will provide a copy of this to to | 10 | his death. |
| 11 | your lawyer so you guys have it. | 11 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I met Mr. Epstein in |
| 12 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you. | 12 | 1991. My I had I had never heard of him or met |
| 13 | TODD BLANCHE: Okay, thank you. | 13 | him before. And no one in my family had ever either. |
| 14 | So Ms. Maxwell, about a week and a half | 14 | My father never knew him. And I'll explain why that |
| 15 | ago or two weeks ago | 15 | is the case. I met |
| 16 | SPENCER HORN: Can you see the light | 16 | TODD BLANCHE: Where did you where |
| 17 | blinking on there? On the Sony? Yeah, there it is. | 17 | where did you meet him? |
| 18 | TODD BLANCHE: Okay. We're just confirming | 18 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I had a girlfriend |
| 19 | that it works and it does. | 19 | who I I was yeah. I had moved to America, |
| 20 | Ms. Maxwell, I guess about a week and a | 20 | briefly, in well, I'd moved to America in 1990. |
| 21 | half or two weeks ago, Mr. Markus reached out to me | 21 | TODD BLANCHE: Okay. |
| 22 | and said that that you wanted to speak with | 22 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I well "moved," |
| 23 | somebody from the government about, not only your | 23 | that's a big word. I'd come to visit America in |
| 24 | case, but about everything that's been in the media | 24 | 1990. I had been running my own company up until |
| 25 | and that's been publicized about Mr. Epstein in your | 25 | that time, which was a company called Maxwell's |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also bought McMillan the the publishing house. And he |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted. |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also bought McMillan the the publishing house. And he had purchased the New York Daily News. |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted. I believe that or I understand, I |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also bought McMillan the the publishing house. And he had purchased the New York Daily News. And it's truth that my father always |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted. I believe that or I understand, I should say, rather, that my attorneys, at the time, |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also bought McMillan the the publishing house. And he had purchased the New York Daily News. And it's truth that my father always wanted me to come back, full time and work for him, |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted. I believe that or I understand, I should say, rather, that my attorneys, at the time, did tell the government that I wanted to speak to |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also bought McMillan the the publishing house. And he had purchased the New York Daily News. And it's truth that my father always wanted me to come back, full time and work for him, but that's a much longer story I don't think we need |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted. I believe that or I understand, I should say, rather, that my attorneys, at the time, did tell the government that I wanted to speak to them, because I was very keen to meet with anyone, so |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also bought McMillan the the publishing house. And he had purchased the New York Daily News. And it's truth that my father always wanted me to come back, full time and work for him, but that's a much longer story I don't think we need to go into at this time. |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted. I believe that or I understand, I should say, rather, that my attorneys, at the time, did tell the government that I wanted to speak to them, because I was very keen to meet with anyone, so that I could tell or have them ask me any question. |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also bought McMillan the the publishing house. And he had purchased the New York Daily News. And it's truth that my father always wanted me to come back, full time and work for him, but that's a much longer story I don't think we need to go into at this time. So but I was always working with him. |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted. I believe that or I understand, I should say, rather, that my attorneys, at the time, did tell the government that I wanted to speak to them, because I was very keen to meet with anyone, so that I could tell or have them ask me any question. I've never had any problem to to speak |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also bought McMillan the the publishing house. And he had purchased the New York Daily News. And it's truth that my father always wanted me to come back, full time and work for him, but that's a much longer story I don't think we need to go into at this time. So but I was always working with him. There was no escaping it were as it were to to |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted. I believe that or I understand, I should say, rather, that my attorneys, at the time, did tell the government that I wanted to speak to them, because I was very keen to meet with anyone, so that I could tell or have them ask me any question. I've never had any problem to to speak to anybody. And I offered myself and I kept asking, |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also bought McMillan the the publishing house. And he had purchased the New York Daily News. And it's truth that my father always wanted me to come back, full time and work for him, but that's a much longer story I don't think we need to go into at this time. So but I was always working with him. There was no escaping it were as it were to to work for him. |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted. I believe that or I understand, I should say, rather, that my attorneys, at the time, did tell the government that I wanted to speak to them, because I was very keen to meet with anyone, so that I could tell or have them ask me any question. I've never had any problem to to speak to anybody. And I offered myself and I kept asking, if they would meet with me, so I could talk to them |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also bought McMillan the the publishing house. And he had purchased the New York Daily News. And it's truth that my father always wanted me to come back, full time and work for him, but that's a much longer story I don't think we need to go into at this time. So but I was always working with him. There was no escaping it were as it were to to work for him. So in 1990, I had come over to New York, |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted. I believe that or I understand, I should say, rather, that my attorneys, at the time, did tell the government that I wanted to speak to them, because I was very keen to meet with anyone, so that I could tell or have them ask me any question. I've never had any problem to to speak to anybody. And I offered myself and I kept asking, if they would meet with me, so I could talk to them and for whatever reason |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also bought McMillan the the publishing house. And he had purchased the New York Daily News. And it's truth that my father always wanted me to come back, full time and work for him, but that's a much longer story I don't think we need to go into at this time. So but I was always working with him. There was no escaping it were as it were to to work for him. So in 1990, I had come over to New York, to help look at some of that. He was having some |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted. I believe that or I understand, I should say, rather, that my attorneys, at the time, did tell the government that I wanted to speak to them, because I was very keen to meet with anyone, so that I could tell or have them ask me any question. I've never had any problem to to speak to anybody. And I offered myself and I kept asking, if they would meet with me, so I could talk to them and for whatever reason TODD BLANCHE: Okay. |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also bought McMillan the the publishing house. And he had purchased the New York Daily News. And it's truth that my father always wanted me to come back, full time and work for him, but that's a much longer story I don't think we need to go into at this time. So but I was always working with him. There was no escaping it were as it were to to work for him. So in 1990, I had come over to New York, to help look at some of that. He was having some advertising issues with the New York Daily News. And |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted. I believe that or I understand, I should say, rather, that my attorneys, at the time, did tell the government that I wanted to speak to them, because I was very keen to meet with anyone, so that I could tell or have them ask me any question. I've never had any problem to to speak to anybody. And I offered myself and I kept asking, if they would meet with me, so I could talk to them and for whatever reason TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: that was not |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also bought McMillan the the publishing house. And he had purchased the New York Daily News. And it's truth that my father always wanted me to come back, full time and work for him, but that's a much longer story I don't think we need to go into at this time. So but I was always working with him. There was no escaping it were as it were to to work for him. So in 1990, I had come over to New York, to help look at some of that. He was having some advertising issues with the New York Daily News. And in fact, I met I may have met Donald Trump at that |
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case. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's TODD BLANCHE: Did he GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did speak to him and I did ask him if , and did tell him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone, because no one from the government, at any time, ever in the since the inception of the case, so dating back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted. I believe that or I understand, I should say, rather, that my attorneys, at the time, did tell the government that I wanted to speak to them, because I was very keen to meet with anyone, so that I could tell or have them ask me any question. I've never had any problem to to speak to anybody. And I offered myself and I kept asking, if they would meet with me, so I could talk to them and for whatever reason TODD BLANCHE: Okay. |
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Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was in 1990 I was working with a a new company of his, a new a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the The European. And I was traveling at that time from England to America, because my father was looking to well, he'd also bought McMillan the the publishing house. And he had purchased the New York Daily News. And it's truth that my father always wanted me to come back, full time and work for him, but that's a much longer story I don't think we need to go into at this time. So but I was always working with him. There was no escaping it were as it were to to work for him. So in 1990, I had come over to New York, to help look at some of that. He was having some advertising issues with the New York Daily News. And |
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| 1 | that he also very much liked Ivana, because she was | 1 | TODD BLANCHE: So okay. So that's how |
| 2 | also from Czechoslovakia where my dad was from. | 2 | you meet him. So we and again, I don't want to |
| 3 | So I don't I don't remember if I did | 3 | spend a lot of time, you know, on on this |
| 4 | meet him or not in 1990 with my dad, but I knew that | 4 | particular issue, but what happened with your |
| 5 | that's how I knew about, about Mr. Trump. | 5 | relationship over the years, from the time you meet |
| 6 | TODD BLANCHE: And this was before you | 6 | him in 1991, up until the time he he passed away? |
| 7 | met | 7 | DAVID MARKUS: Just give the highlights. |
| 8 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: This was before I met | 8 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay, the highlights. |
| 9 | Mr. Epstein. | 9 | So I I was looking for real estate for my dad to |
| 10 | TODD BLANCHE: Mr. Epstein? | 10 | buy some, and Epstein told me that he was also |
| 11 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. | 11 | looking to move from his apartment and would I help |
| 12 | TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. | 12 | him? And I I said, sure I'm looking already so I |
| 13 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I was already going | 13 | could look for him. So that's how it started. |
| 14 | backwards and forwards in America. And then in April | 14 | And then, in 1991, my father passed away |
| 15 | of 1991, I came to New York, but, I can't remember | 15 | and I returned to New York after that, originally to |
| 16 | for what reason what business reason, but there | 16 | come back and help with the family businesses, which |
| 17 | was a business reason something to do with my dad | 17 | was McMillan. |
| 18 | at that time. | 18 | And then the debacle of my father's |
| 19 | And a girlfriend of mine who an | 19 | passing hit the family. And and we lost all our |
| 20 | American, told me I I I had broken up with my | 20 | businesses and my family thought that it would be |
| 21 | long I'd been engaged, getting my the very | 21 | best if I stayed in America, because of the intensity |
| 22 | long-term boyfriend and we'd broken up. | 22 | of the press and the drama surrounding my father's |
| 23 | And she said, I've got you know, as | 23 | death in England |
| 24 | your girlfriends do, I've got a guy for you to meet. | 24 | So I stayed and Epstein said, well, you |
| 25 | And I was like, who is it? And she goes, it's | 25 | can keep helping me. You can help me find a house and |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think well |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how we met. |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think well certainly my father had a background in intelligence |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how we met. TODD BLANCHE: Was your meeting at his |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think well certainly my father had a background in intelligence during because he was I believe he did in the |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how we met. TODD BLANCHE: Was your meeting at his office for you to meet him just personally or were |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think well certainly my father had a background in intelligence during because he was I believe he did in the second World War. He was an intelli a British |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how we met. TODD BLANCHE: Was your meeting at his office for you to meet him just personally or were you were you there for |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think well certainly my father had a background in intelligence during because he was I believe he did in the second World War. He was an intelli a British intelligence officer. I think that, my sort of |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how we met. TODD BLANCHE: Was your meeting at his office for you to meet him just personally or were you were you there for GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think well certainly my father had a background in intelligence during because he was I believe he did in the second World War. He was an intelli a British intelligence officer. I think that, my sort of belief is that once you've been an intelligence |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how we met. TODD BLANCHE: Was your meeting at his office for you to meet him just personally or were you were you there for GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just TODD BLANCHE: work related reasons? |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think well certainly my father had a background in intelligence during because he was I believe he did in the second World War. He was an intelli a British intelligence officer. I think that, my sort of belief is that once you've been an intelligence officer, you're kind of always; it doesn't mean |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how we met. TODD BLANCHE: Was your meeting at his office for you to meet him just personally or were you were you there for GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just TODD BLANCHE: work related reasons? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I I knew |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think well certainly my father had a background in intelligence during because he was I believe he did in the second World War. He was an intelli a British intelligence officer. I think that, my sort of belief is that once you've been an intelligence officer, you're kind of always; it doesn't mean that you're formally employed. |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how we met. TODD BLANCHE: Was your meeting at his office for you to meet him just personally or were you were you there for GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just TODD BLANCHE: work related reasons? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I I knew nothing about him. |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think well certainly my father had a background in intelligence during because he was I believe he did in the second World War. He was an intelli a British intelligence officer. I think that, my sort of belief is that once you've been an intelligence officer, you're kind of always; it doesn't mean that you're formally employed. So I don't think my dad in any formal |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how we met. TODD BLANCHE: Was your meeting at his office for you to meet him just personally or were you were you there for GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just TODD BLANCHE: work related reasons? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I I knew nothing about him. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think well certainly my father had a background in intelligence during because he was I believe he did in the second World War. He was an intelli a British intelligence officer. I think that, my sort of belief is that once you've been an intelligence officer, you're kind of always; it doesn't mean that you're formally employed. So I don't think my dad in any formal sense was, you know, employed by the any agency. |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how we met. TODD BLANCHE: Was your meeting at his office for you to meet him just personally or were you were you there for GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just TODD BLANCHE: work related reasons? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I I knew nothing about him. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I he just invited |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think well certainly my father had a background in intelligence during because he was I believe he did in the second World War. He was an intelli a British intelligence officer. I think that, my sort of belief is that once you've been an intelligence officer, you're kind of always; it doesn't mean that you're formally employed. So I don't think my dad in any formal sense was, you know, employed by the any agency. But when you are a very significant businessman and |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how we met. TODD BLANCHE: Was your meeting at his office for you to meet him just personally or were you were you there for GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just TODD BLANCHE: work related reasons? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I I knew nothing about him. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I he just invited me to come and have tea, and I was like tea, that's |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think well certainly my father had a background in intelligence during because he was I believe he did in the second World War. He was an intelli a British intelligence officer. I think that, my sort of belief is that once you've been an intelligence officer, you're kind of always; it doesn't mean that you're formally employed. So I don't think my dad in any formal sense was, you know, employed by the any agency. But when you are a very significant businessman and politician, as my father was, you meet with people |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how we met. TODD BLANCHE: Was your meeting at his office for you to meet him just personally or were you were you there for GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just TODD BLANCHE: work related reasons? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I I knew nothing about him. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I he just invited me to come and have tea, and I was like tea, that's English. Okay. But what was unusual, was in his |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think well certainly my father had a background in intelligence during because he was I believe he did in the second World War. He was an intelli a British intelligence officer. I think that, my sort of belief is that once you've been an intelligence officer, you're kind of always; it doesn't mean that you're formally employed. So I don't think my dad in any formal sense was, you know, employed by the any agency. But when you are a very significant businessman and politician, as my father was, you meet with people over time and you, I guess trade business or ideas. |
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how we met. TODD BLANCHE: Was your meeting at his office for you to meet him just personally or were you were you there for GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just TODD BLANCHE: work related reasons? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I I knew nothing about him. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I he just invited me to come and have tea, and I was like tea, that's |
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we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think well certainly my father had a background in intelligence during because he was I believe he did in the second World War. He was an intelli a British intelligence officer. I think that, my sort of belief is that once you've been an intelligence officer, you're kind of always; it doesn't mean that you're formally employed. So I don't think my dad in any formal sense was, you know, employed by the any agency. But when you are a very significant businessman and politician, as my father was, you meet with people |
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| 1 | Now he certainly, I have no formal | 1 | had a connection with Epstein. He had a connection |
| 2 | knowledge of anything specifically that he did in | 2 | with the bank. I mean, Epstein, I'd never heard of |
| 3 | that thing, but if you're asking me if I thought that | 3 | him or knew of him before. And I certainly if my |
| 4 | he did help people, the answer would be yes, I did. | 4 | dad had known him, right, when I said, this is who he |
| 5 | TODD BLANCHE: Did your father and Mr. | 5 | was, he didn't know who he was. |
| 6 | Epstein have a business relationship over the years? | 6 | TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. |
| 7 | I know we're maybe jumping around a little bit. | 7 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So he rang Ace and he |
| 8 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They never met. So | 8 | rang Jimmy, to ask if it was okay that I even knew |
| TODD BLANCHE: As far as you know, they | 9 | ||
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10 | him. And I just want to explain, briefly why my | |
| 11 | never even met? | 11 | father would even do such a thing. |
| 12 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I I | I've had some some interesting things | |
| TODD BLANCHE: or you know they never | 12 | that have happened in my life. And one of them was | |
| 13 | met? | 13 | to be found on an IRA kidnap and murder list. And so |
| 14 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I know they never met. | 14 | after that happened well, there were other |
| 15 | TODD BLANCHE: Well, how do you know they | 15 | related I'm not going to bore you with all the |
| 16 | never met? | 16 | horrible things in that vein, but I if you want |
| 17 | GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They just | 17 | the details, of course I can. |
| 18 | categorically know they never met. Well, because | 18 | But after that happened, my father wanted |
| 19 | after, in 1991, before my father died, he asked me if | 19 | to put a lot of protection on me, obviously. And I |
| 20 | I'd met anybody interesting or whatever, you know, | 20 | declined on the grounds that that would be a very |
| 21 | because I was still trying not to be sucked back into | 21 | life-restricting event. You are all in law |
| 22 | the family business. | 22 | enforcement, I know you understand this. |
| 23 | And I told him that I had met Mr. Epstein. | 23 | And so he had told me that, you know, I |
| 24 | And the reason why I shared that I'd met Mr. Epstein, | 24 | would be taking my life in my own hands and then |
| 25 | because I believed, at that time, that Epstein worked | 25 | whatever. And so I think after that event and |
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| 1 | for Bear Stearns. And Bear Stearns was one of our | 1 | several others, where I had stalkers and all that |
| 2 | for Bear Stearns. And Bear Stearns was one of our banks. And I knew that my father was friendly with |
2 | several others, where I had stalkers and all that thing that one has, he was always quite protective of |
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for Bear Stearns. And Bear Stearns was one of our banks. And I knew that my father was friendly with both Jimmy Cayne and with Ace Greenberg. |
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several others, where I had stalkers and all that thing that one has, he was always quite protective of me. And so if I met somebody, he would try and |
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for Bear Stearns. And Bear Stearns was one of our banks. And I knew that my father was friendly with both Jimmy Cayne and with Ace Greenberg. So my dad came was actually in |
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several others, where I had stalkers and all that thing that one has, he was always quite protective of me. And so if I met somebody, he would try and verify that they weren't going to do anything |
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for Bear Stearns. And Bear Stearns was one of our banks. And I knew that my father was friendly with both Jimmy Cayne and with Ace Greenberg. So my dad came was actually in New York, I think. If I remem I may I don't |
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several others, where I had stalkers and all that thing that one has, he was always quite protective of me. And so if I met somebody, he would try and verify that they weren't going to do anything hideous. |
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for Bear Stearns. And Bear Stearns was one of our banks. And I knew that my father was friendly with both Jimmy Cayne and with Ace Greenberg. So my dad came was actually in New York, I think. If I remem I may I don't think I had this conversation on the phone, but I |
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