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| # Does a vision-language embedder beat its text sibling on *text* retrieval? | |
| **Rig:** RTX 5090 32GB (capsule) · **Date:** 2026-06-08 · **Task:** local-ai-roadmap t037 | |
| **Lineup:** e5-small-v2 (the incumbent) vs Qwen3-Embedding-0.6B (text) vs Qwen3-VL-Embedding-2B (vision-language) | |
| **Ruler:** BEIR / SciFact (5,183 docs, 300 queries, gold qrels) · all arms capped at 512 tokens, cosine retrieval, identical scoring harness | |
| ## The myth | |
| A vision-language embedding model is built for images. Point it at plain text and you'd expect it to | |
| do no better than a same-family *text* embedder — the visual machinery is dead weight. And the small, | |
| old incumbent (e5-small) is "good enough" for a tiny knowledge base anyway. | |
| ## What SciFact actually says | |
| | model | dim | nDCG@10 | recall@10 | MRR@10 | encode docs/s¹ | VRAM | | |
| |---|---|---|---|---|---|---| | |
| | e5-small-v2 | 384 | 0.6875 | 0.806 | 0.658 | 1256 | 0.79 GB | | |
| | Qwen3-Embedding-0.6B | 1024 | 0.7011 | 0.830 | 0.667 | 270 | 2.4 GB | | |
| | **Qwen3-VL-Embedding-2B** | 2048 | **0.7444** | **0.882** | **0.704** | 129 | 5.0 GB | | |
| The VL model wins on every quality metric: **+0.057 nDCG@10 over e5 (+8.3% relative), and +0.043 over its | |
| own text sibling** — on a pure-text task with not a single pixel in sight. The visual machinery isn't dead | |
| weight; the contrastive multimodal pre-training produces a stronger *text* representation too. | |
| But quality isn't free: e5 encodes ~10x faster and fits in a sixth of the VRAM. This is a clean frontier, | |
| not a free lunch. | |
| ~~~ | |
| ## The Matryoshka twist — you can throw away most of the VL vector and still win | |
| Both Qwen models use Matryoshka representation learning: the leading dimensions carry the most signal, so | |
| you can truncate the vector and renormalize. nDCG@10 as the vector shrinks: | |
| | dim | Qwen3-VL-2B | Qwen3-Embedding-0.6B | | |
| |---|---|---| | |
| | full | 0.7444 (2048) | 0.7011 (1024) | | |
| | 512 | **0.7307** | 0.6978 | | |
| | 256 | 0.7092 | 0.667 | | |
| | 128 | 0.6691 | 0.6239 | | |
| The headline: **VL truncated to 512 dims (0.731) still beats the full-1024-dim text model (0.701) and the | |
| full e5 (0.688).** Even at 256 dims — one eighth of native — it beats both full-size rivals. So the VL | |
| model's storage cost is negotiable: a quarter-size vector keeps 98% of its quality and remains the best | |
| retriever in the field. e5's speed advantage stands; its quality ceiling does not. | |
| ~~~ | |
| ## The vault reality check (and why the corpus is still the wall) | |
| The point of t037 was Donald's memory vault — does any of this actually improve *his* retrieval? Ran the | |
| trio over the real 15-note vault. Two honest observations: | |
| - **It helps at the margins.** On "who is the user", e5 misses `identity.md` entirely; the text model | |
| surfaces it at rank 2; the VL model nails it at **rank 1**. Genuine semantic routing the old model couldn't do. | |
| - **The corpus is still the bottleneck.** `project-memories.md` dominates nearly every query's top-3 across | |
| all three models — exactly the cp13 finding (a few notes swamp a tiny index). A better embedder cannot | |
| out-retrieve a corpus that's too small to discriminate. | |
| So: at 15 notes, the upgrade buys you a handful of better answers, not a transformation. The retriever was | |
| never the limiting reagent here — corpus hygiene and size are. That's the same lesson cp13 taught, now | |
| confirmed from the other direction. | |
| ~~~ | |
| ## Footnote that matters — the VL model needed image *libraries*, not a CUDA toolkit | |
| Unlike t036 (vLLM quantized inference, walled by a missing CUDA ≥12.9 toolkit on this Blackwell box), | |
| Qwen3-VL-Embedding-2B loaded cleanly via sentence-transformers once `pillow` + `torchvision` were | |
| installed — pure Python image deps, no system toolkit. The `tomaarsen/...-vdr` repackage failed (no | |
| recognized `image_processor_type`); the **official `Qwen/Qwen3-VL-Embedding-2B`** worked. One more datapoint | |
| for the map of what runs toolkit-free on this box: quant *inference* needs the toolkit, embedding *and* | |
| training do not. | |
| ## Verdict — worth it if / not if | |
| - **Worth swapping e5 for Qwen3-VL-2B if** retrieval quality is the bottleneck and you can spend the encode | |
| time + VRAM — and truncate to 512 dims to claw most of the cost back. | |
| - **Not worth it if** your corpus is small enough that retrieval already saturates (Donald's vault today), or | |
| if encode throughput dominates your workload — e5's 10x speed is real. | |
| - **The non-obvious win:** a VL embedder is a legitimately strong *text* retriever. Don't rule it out because | |
| "it's for images." | |
| --- | |
| ¹ Encode throughput is the co-resident rate measured *alongside Donald* (llama-server holding ~18.9 GB), at | |
| per-model batch sizes tuned to fit the free VRAM (e5 64 / text 16 / VL 8) — so it reflects deployment-on-a-busy-box, | |
| not each model's isolated peak. Quality metrics are batch-invariant and clean. Harness + raw scores: | |
| `scripts/embed_bench/`, `results/embed-scifact/`. | |